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Klashikari
2015-03-25, 10:39
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EagleBlue
2015-03-25, 11:35
What the heck. Wo-class was Kisaragi?

EDIT:

Huh, think there's gonna be a S2.

SaintessHeart
2015-03-25, 11:38
Do the CLTs practice Hokuto Shin Ken? Is that what makes them so powerful?

Kakurin
2015-03-25, 11:38
Man, that was a lot of kanmusus.

Airfield Hime sure was resilient. They had to deplete the gauge first I guess. :heh:

Mutsu going strong after Nagato. :heh:

Kisaragi's hair decoration showing up in the end.

Kopi
2015-03-25, 11:39
That Kisaragi's pin though.. and a movie or was it a S2 announcement?

Finally a abyssal got a voicing line and she even evolved to Midway Princess :heh:

Klashikari
2015-03-25, 11:39
I have a lot of mixed feelings with this episode


-The fight is a tad too dragged... that's because the pacing was a bit all over the place with way too many dialogues forcefully inserted in there.
The directing was also very confusing, with lots of transitions to different characters to the point it was difficult to keep track of who is attacking and what's left with the enemy task force.

-Taihou's screentime was, as expected, very limited so her own presence and the admiral "survival" are simply... there.

-Hinting that Wo-kai is actually Kisaragi is a bit... well...

-At least we got some "characterization" for the princess who got a "promotion" :heh:
And it looks like we will have a second season or a movie.

Kakurin
2015-03-25, 11:42
-The fight is a tad too dragged... that's because the pacing was a bit all over the place with way too many dialogues forcefully inserted in there.
The directing was also very confusing, with lots of transitions to different characters to the point it was difficult to keep track of who is attacking and what's left with the enemy
In this regard I was quite amused by the Kitakami / Ōi scene. Talking half a while when they are surrounded by Abyssals. Looked fairly surreal. :heh:

Klashikari
2015-03-25, 11:44
^ this scene made me cringe because not only they did it again, but it was so frigging long that it affected the momentum there. That and some major OOC scene imho.

Kakurin
2015-03-25, 11:51
^ this scene made me cringe because not only they did it again, but it was so frigging long that it affected the momentum there. That and some major OOC scene imho.
I really felt like starting to laugh with how out of place it seemed. :heh:

All in all the pacing of the battle was off with lots of breaks in order to get dialogues in, some of them unneeded, like the one referred to above. Anyway, with yet another Kitakami / Ōi scene they've gotten a scene in like every episode, making me feel like they are the secret main characters of this anime. Somebody must've really liked them

Master Assassin
2015-03-25, 12:52
There's quite the discontent regarding the anime, I thought the popularity of the base franchise can somehow hide that for me. But I guess not: https://twitter.com/HP0128/status/580770163542228992

Some of the comments are really frank with the feelings... :heh:

endarion88
2015-03-25, 13:00
about the hint of kisaragi morphing into an abyssal it actualy doesn't surprise me at all, actualy all along since she was sunk i thought the final boss would be her, i don't know if it happen in the game but it actualy happen in a lot of kancolle DJ that a sunk fleetgirl become an abyssal or WORSE

CGrascal
2015-03-25, 13:23
That last episode did feel like they rushed things a bit. Especially, the Taihou bit. Have her randomly appear in one episode and then suddenly she's on the battlefield the next. I did get a laugh out of Ooi dynamic entry that destroyer.

arkhangelsk
2015-03-25, 14:10
In this regard I was quite amused by the Kitakami / Ōi scene. Talking half a while when they are surrounded by Abyssals. Looked fairly surreal. :heh:

Well, at least Kitakami did not die, though I was surprised at how cleanly she escaped.

But then, I was surprised, even considering this anime had not been retaining sync with its previous episodes that they had the temerity to delete the fact they had already dropped the bomb on Akagi last episode.

At least Nagato, or someone, made the correct basic decision to bring more people this episode and that's the only factor that raised my vote from a 1 to a 3... otherwise it took 50 minutes to watch this 20 minute episode - I had to pause and purge my brain several times.

There's quite the discontent regarding the anime, I thought the popularity of the base franchise can somehow hide that for me. But I guess not: https://twitter.com/HP0128/status/580770163542228992

Some of the comments are really frank with the feelings... :heh:

These are pretty good as well...
https://twitter.com/eboshisan/status/580769085224435714/photo/1
https://twitter.com/KurochaNeco/status/555356184383746049/photo/1

Klashikari
2015-03-25, 14:38
Watching again, here are the issues I have in general with this episode

-Fubuki saving the day was quite obvious from the get go but... the fire director was pretty much ignored, making her actual "usefulness" down to the drain.

-As already stated: there is way too much talk, and it is already the case right when Fubuki asks Akagi to run away.
The prime scene for that issue was the very moment the princess morphed into her "other form" which lasted a little more than 1 full minute. The fight only resumed after the princess launched her planes despite the abyssals came back en masse.
Likewise, the arrival of the reinforcements was really tedious.

-Major quality mishaps (Kirishima cannons and the sky at the end of the episode).
Meanwhile, we had a lot of recycled stock shot, particularly Kongou.

-Ooi/Kitakami scene was not only completely random, but way too longwinded (1:45... really?). Frankly, seeing their antics every week is very tiring considering it is absurdely repetitive. That and Kitakami was really OOC in there.

-Yamato has far more range than any other non CV kanmusu, and even so, she is before them when firing.

-Yamato is damaged by Abyssals destroyers torpedoes and... we see them launching their torpedoes AFTERWARDS. Of course, after that cut, no more torpedo reached her. They basically SWAPPED the cuts order.

-We keep seeing shells impacts behind the Kanmusu, but we really see close to no actual damage taken during the fight in this episode. It sounds as if they became completely apt to dodge everything in the second half of the fight... which is nonsense since most of them barely move.

-There is no damn reason why "Henderson" suddenly became Midway princess.

-The wo class was sunk... offscreen?

-Having "power of friendship" working in the end is nice and dandy but... I think it would be much better without being so obvious with the yuri stuff.

Missing points:
-There is no explanation why Yamato's fleet was so late, which is silly since she herself told Fubuki she will explain that later.
-Wo = Kisaragi being completely unaddressed.
-Where and what was the admiral doing during all this time?
-We have no aftermath regarding the capture of Mi island.
-What about MO island?
-Taihou involvement was pretty much... minute worth.

chaosprophet
2015-03-25, 15:29
What bothered me about this episode was the mood (together with constant break of mood) and lack of answers.

I was expecting it to end with everything well, but wished the mood have been heavier thorough the episode. Way too many scenes that were jokes or the characters happily talking while the abyssal waited.

And regarding questions, the major one was about the admiral. I don't mind Kisaragi one as much as that could be explained on the follow up, but don't see any reason why the admiral one shouldn't have been explained now.

And regarding Kisaragi, rather than her being the Wo, when Fubuki heard something there have been kind of a shadow on the water (a sub maybe?). Maybe she will turn into an abyssal now and will appear on the continuation?

Random Wanderer
2015-03-25, 16:55
Availability Information

Due to production issues, KanColle episode 12 will be delayed until late tonight. We thank you for your patience and understanding.

You. Do. Not. Have. Production. Issues. On. The. Final. Episode. Right. After. A. Clifhanger. Fucking. Dammit!

I patiently understand that I have a narrow window during the day in which to watch anime, and this means I may not get a chance to see it until Saturday, if then.

blitz1/2
2015-03-25, 17:04
Wait a moment, where was it implied that the Wo was Kisaragi? Yea, the Wo got sunk offscreen, but for all we know, it just took forever for the hair clip to rise to the surface?

Klashikari
2015-03-25, 17:11
Wait a moment, where was it implied that the Wo was Kisaragi? Yea, the Wo got sunk offscreen, but for all we know, it just took forever for the hair clip to rise to the surface?
When the Wo-kai was sinking, you can hear a 返して (give it back!). Later on, at the very same spot, Kisaragi's hair pin emerged.

blitz1/2
2015-03-25, 17:23
When the Wo-kai was sinking, you can hear a 返して (give it back!). Later on, at the very same spot, Kisaragi's hair pin emerged.

Or maybe, Kisaragi had finished evolving into whatever she is down in the ocean there at the moment Wo kai was sinking. xD

chaosprophet
2015-03-25, 17:33
Or maybe, Kisaragi had finished evolving into whatever she is down in the ocean there at the moment Wo kai was sinking. xD

She will evolve into an abyssal submarine. At least her long hair would fit.

blitz1/2
2015-03-25, 17:35
She will evolve into an abyssal submarine. At least her long hair would fit.

Are you saying that this is not moe enough? xD
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=48305313

Seihai
2015-03-25, 17:37
A lot of JP comments instantly replied with stuff like "a sequel? no thanks" at the end of the episode. :heh: I'm all up for it hoping that next time the overall quality improves, i.e. when the studio isn't doing 4 shows at the same time.

VentAileron
2015-03-25, 17:40
Feeling useless? Join Team Abyssals! We make carriers out of destroyers!

blitz1/2
2015-03-25, 17:41
Feeling useless? Join Team Abyssals! We make carriers out of destroyers!

So true. Now we need a Mulan song parody with this. xD

Azuma Denton
2015-03-25, 18:05
Oh god... Awful last episode...
Too many inconsistency with the last episode, and of course within this episode as well.


So Kuso TTK off the game for few weeks, so he can manage a resource for LSC and lucky to get Taihou? And what kind of Kuso TTK send a single carrier into battle without any escort ship?



Anyone who would like to see one of the best quality in last episode:
https://twitter.com/_osushi_/status/580773974964985856

blitz1/2
2015-03-25, 18:10
Oh god... Awful last episode...
Too many inconsistency with the last episode, and of course within this episode as well.


So Kuso TTK off the game for few weeks, so he can manage a resource for LSC and lucky to get Taihou? And what kind of Kuso TTK send a single carrier into battle without any escort ship?


Kuso teitoku = kuso teitoku. What do you want to know? He was already labelled kuso, for sending in a Taihaed Kisaragi into battle without checking on his ships first.

DerGilga
2015-03-25, 18:28
Episode 11 ended with Akagi helplessly watching a plane dropping a bomb on her while lamenting how fate can't be changed. The bomb is dropped, the screen turns black and we hear someone scream 'Akagi'. What an intense moment! How will this cliffhanger be resolved?


They changed the *** sceen! The bomb was never dropped and nobody screamed. The most intense moment of the series was retconned out of existance. :mad:
From that moment I knew it would be a 100% victory for our heroes, showing up one after another while spouting one liners from the game and ruining the atmosphere of the final battle.

The good points:
- Midway Hime appearing
- 2D Nagamon going melee

The very bad points:
- the ''''funny'''' moment with the two yuri destroyers was just annoying
- the abyssal fleet's connection with the girls wasn't touch upon
- 2D Nagamon with 3D Fubuki in one scene *argh*
- the admiral reappearing, a 'character' I don't know and don't care about
- no Hoppo cameo

Qikz
2015-03-25, 19:26
I think it would be much better without being so obvious with the yuri stuff.

I'm the opposite. More yuri! Bring all the Yuri! It's why KTKM and Ooi are the best. The only thing I can really say other than I enjoyed the episode was I burst out laughing at

the admirals chair behind the curtains in the room where Ooyodo was. I don't know why but that made me really laugh for some reason.

I'm happy there's going to be a sequel. Add submarines next time pls. It'd also be a good oppurtunity to bring in more ships like Shigure, Kumano, Suzuya, Hamakaze, Amatsukaze, Ryuujyou, Hijyou, Jyunyou, Murakumo and Hamakaze. I'm just really glad Tama and Kuma got some proper screentime.

Sheba
2015-03-25, 19:28
Is it just me or they forgot to use Tpe 3 shells against Midway Hime?

Klashikari
2015-03-25, 19:31
Yamato already used these when the princess was in her "henderson" mode.
It is very likely they already spent most/all of them against abyssal aircrafts. That or the anime staff forgot about them halfway.

Azuma Denton
2015-03-25, 21:16
And don't forget that they remind me who played the game about one of the nightmare I used to face on the event...
Event Map capable of regenerating it's HP

:heh:

blitz1/2
2015-03-25, 21:28
And don't forget that they remind me who played the game about one of the nightmare I used to face on the event...
Event Map capable of regenerating it's HP

:heh:

But event hp recovery works like this.
it's more like we killed it, ok we leave. Oh, it's back again, let's come back after resupplying and kill it again

Ithekro
2015-03-25, 21:38
The ciliffhanger was done like a 1930s-40s serial. The cliffhanger shows certain death, but the resolve shows something else so the hero lives. That was common place for cliffhangers.

LoweGear
2015-03-25, 21:52
The ciliffhanger was done like a 1930s-40s serial. The cliffhanger shows certain death, but the resolve shows something else so the hero lives. That was common place for cliffhangers.

Doesn't make it any less strange and jarring though :heh:

Since everyone else has already ragged about the bad and the ugly, how about the good? Like showing Nagato going mano-a-mano, or Taihou :D

RRW
2015-03-25, 21:55
Doesn't make it any less strange and jarring though :heh:

Since everyone else has already ragged about the bad and the ugly, how about the good? Like showing Nagato going mano-a-mano, or Taihou :D

if only Taihou is there for more than 1 minute

serenade_beta
2015-03-25, 22:03
I'm terribly amused at the "Season 2 coming!" screen after a whole episode of pretty... bad seriousness. :heh:
Anyways, terrible last episode. Fubuki defeating the oh-so-scary... umm, staff-holding enemy girl person... outside... of the screen... was so ye----a--h... No.
The loli(?)'s not-so-loli voice made me laugh too, but compared to the rest of the stuff going on...

Darth Fanta
2015-03-25, 22:06
RIP Kisaragi....again.

Scarletknive
2015-03-25, 22:35
RIP Kisaragi....again.

A-At least she can finally rest in peace this time... right? Right? :uhoh:

And btw, I have never seen a Wo-Class that attacks normally other than launching planes... At least I think that is what the staff is for..

And don't forget that they remind me who played the game about one of the nightmare I used to face on the event...
Event Map capable of regenerating it's HP

:heh:

In this case, she regenerates until the Wo-class (Most probably the one-eyed.) is destroyed (From what I see.).

blitz1/2
2015-03-25, 23:07
A-At least she can finally rest in peace this time... right? Right? :uhoh:

And btw, I have never seen a Wo-Class that attacks normally other than launching planes... At least I think that is what the staff is for..



In this case, she regenerates until the Wo-class (Most probably the one-eyed.) is destroyed (From what I see.).

It's a game bug, RNG sama programmed the wrong code of which is the true boss.

Tempest35
2015-03-25, 23:09
Nagamon, eh... Apparently she's got an entirely different move/skillset from the other girls that includes punching and kicking enemy ships (even though I was secretly hoping that she would, it was funny to watch). Ooi must have shelled out some cash for that moveset upgrade too. :D

Nagamon used: <Pawnch!>
-It is effective!-
Enemy ship has fainted!

Nagamon used: <Kick!>
-It is effective!-
Enemy Chi-class ship is stunned!

[Roll done for extra turn due to enemy stunned: Nagamon wins the roll!]

Nagamon used: Point-Blank Barrage!
-It is super effective!-
Enemy Chi-class ship has fainted!

Nvis
2015-03-25, 23:24
No subs yet, we being trolled?

Ithekro
2015-03-25, 23:47
Ooi's kick and treatment of the enemy destroyer reminds me of what people say she does it any Abyssal hurts their Kitakami in battle.

cloud04
2015-03-25, 23:55
No subs yet, we being trolled?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=130644

Ithekro
2015-03-26, 00:05
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=130644

:twitch:

That almost deserves a rimshot. Almost.

rladls2121
2015-03-26, 00:06
No matter how I see this anime series, in the end, the female characters are still cute.

That's right, the story is still continuing.
Who will capture the heart of Teitoku?

I wonder how will Sonic the Hedgehog will handle these Battleships.
If Sonic can do the water skating, then he might stand a chance, but.....

Just watched Sonic X anime series and imagine how much his spinning attacks can damage them.

Stark700
2015-03-26, 01:13
Eh, a bit disappointed at no Shimakaze in the final fight for this series. The battle was okayish I guess, kinda expected with some of the battle tactics they used. Interesting to see Taihou out there though.

I'm guessing the sequel will be a TV series but a movie is just as likely.

Nvis
2015-03-26, 01:22
My complaint from last ep was answered here*.

Favorites:

-*Midway Hime(Top Favorite):love:
-Yamato
-Nagato
-Atago
-Ooi
-Akagi
-Yuudachi Kai?

Dislike:

-Naka

Eisdrache
2015-03-26, 01:58
Couldn't write a more anticlimatic battle myself.

Way too many ingame quotes forced into the most unsuitable places
Connection Airfield Princess <> Wo-Class?
Wo-Class was sunk OFF-SCREEN? I seriously doubt that Fubuki can 1v1 a Flagship kai Wo-class either
Taihou (<3) random appearance
KTKM x Ooi again. While I was amused about Ooi kicking the abyssal ship away, she managed to completely ruin the moment afterwards
Most random hairclip ever
Sendai and Naka randomly going from zero damage (12:47) to critical damage (19:37). Naka is miraculously perfectly fine when they return to base (21:50)
There is absolutely no build-up for Fubuki's speech (11:27), she just randomly does it
Tone and Chikuma not firing a single shot AGAIN (they just disappeared in ep11 too)
Where the heck are Hiryuu, Soryuu, Nachi, RJ and Junyou? They are clearly part of the fleet (13:50)
Zuikaku's bow must be some ingame mechanism that I'm not aware of (08:28)

Ithekro
2015-03-26, 02:05
Taihou (<3) random appearance

Bringing delicious Noto.

Who was voicing the Himes? Both Airfield and Midway have difference actresses. (Does Wo-class have an voice actress?)

Mr. Wang
2015-03-26, 02:05
I'll admit while the last episode wasn't the pinnacle of great quality (a trait we could argue for the whole show), it's still all good fun. I had a great time watching the whole series. I guess I have lower standards when certain things don't bother me...

Y'know, like the part where my beloved Kirishima took off her glasses and got to be a complete BADASS and take out three destroyers at once, even though one of her lines in the game does mention she can't fight without her glasses. I just overlooked it because it was cool.

A lot of moments did make me freak out and squee, like Ooicchi's power of yuri giving her superhuman strength (albeit promptly ruined moments later), Nagato and Mutsu finally appearing in a battle (and now I ship these really hard, no pun intended), Nagato also beating the crap out of Abyssals with her fists and feet, and everyone epically converging for the final battle. I'll admit moments like these did carry the episode for me.

I'll admit that I kinda scoffed or laughed at certain things, like how Shoukaku and Zuikaku conveniently appeared because there were Instant Repair Buckets out of nowhere, our meaningless Admiral somehow being alive all along (and still concealed), and Ooicchi ruining her moment of badass by fawning over KTKM for over a minute, which is longer than the standard we usually see...

Anyway, I still had fun watching this anime overall. I know a lot of improvements could be made, but I guess it's not something I came in with exceedingly high expectations of. I guess the biggest issue to tackle in the next season would be to balance out the slice of life and the battles. If we had a KanColle anime focused on one or the other, I think we'd get better enjoyment out of it. Because this anime did try to stay balanced, but it steeply teeter-tottered back and forth between a war-anime and slice-of-life, a lot of times within the same episode, which can be kinda jarring. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes, take their time with the next episode, and come around the time we return to the Naval District, everything will be golden.

...If nothing else, just give me more Mic Check and Pan-Paka-Pan next season.

IceHism
2015-03-26, 02:27
I like kancolle but that was a major disappointment on all fronts.

please.....

They basically won because the TTK swiped his credit card.

Marcus H.
2015-03-26, 02:50
It's a minor disappointment, particularly the scenes where the overall mood is dampened by scenes that shouldn't have belonged there and the fact that Fubuki's resolution seemed less upfront that it should be, causing the entire story to feel as bland as our heroine. Sasuga to the production team, though. They manage to shove the concept of specific objectives as victory conditions in the anime. :heh:

Overall, I fully understand the difficulties behind making a story out of a game like this, so I'll give this show some leeway. It's not that bad unless you hate Fubuki, and those who watch the anime exclusively (and without doing any research, for shame!) have to consider the fanbase behind the show. The enjoyment value is definitely higher than Vividred Operation.

Enjoyment Score: 9 Pois over 10.
Actual Score: 7.8 Pois over 10.

arkhangelsk
2015-03-26, 04:02
Overall, I fully understand the difficulties behind making a story out of a game like this, so I'll give this show some leeway. It's not that bad unless you hate Fubuki, and those who watch the anime exclusively (and without doing any research, for shame!) have to consider the fanbase behind the show. The enjoyment value is definitely higher than Vividred Operation.

I don't want to watch that V-whatever anime then. Just to make it clear, I don't think anyone hates Fubuki. She's designed to be almost unhateable. I can even at least understand why she's MC. I just think she deserves better than this anime, that's all...

Kakurin
2015-03-26, 04:03
Thinking about it, the biggest plot problems with the anime from my perspective aside from the obvious pacing and ordering issue of the episodes are mainly the handling of Fubuki's development in the second half, Yūdachi's Kai Ni and the lead-up (or lack thereof) and aftermath of Kisaragi's sinking. Overall I think the general idea behind it all can work, but it was handled poorly by the direction and storyboard. So with that in mind here's something that in my eyes would've worked better:

1) Increase Kisaragi's role a bit in episode 2. A possibility would be that she was formerly a member of the torpedo squadron who got reassigned to free up the roster spot for Fubuki.

2) Instead of Yūdachi's Kai Ni popping up out of the blue, perhaps tie it in with a bit of development for Yūdachi herself in the aftermath of Kisaragi's sinking. Here I'm thinking about something like the formerly easy-going Yūdachi starting to take her lessons and training serious to get stronger after Kisaragi (in the setting that she was formerly a member of the same torpedo squadron) got sunk.

3) Handling Fubuki's development more linearly en bloc instead of having her first gain flagship status and a tremendous success saving Zuikaku and Shōkaku before getting all depressed about the Kai Ni issue and the recall to base.

To reflect this in the episode ordering and pacing something like this would've been possible:

Episode 1: Stays the same

Episode 2: Increase Kisaragi's role, have one or two scenes with the torpedo squadron. Perhaps have Mutsuki and her cheer up Fubuki in the light of her hardships.

Episode 3: Stays the same

Episode 4: Generally stays the same, slight changes in regards to Yūdachi, like showing her more serious during the classroom scene in the beginning

Episode 5: Curry episode, stays the same

Episode 6: Fleet reshuffling episode, stays the same

Episode 7: Fubuki's fleet - with Yūdachi's nearby as support - gets sent to MO. At MO they get ambushed by a surface fleet, Kaga takes a torpedo for Zuikaku and Fubuki loses her calm in the situation. Yūdachi's fleet shows up in time to save them. As a result of her performance at MO Yūdachi gets her Kai Ni. This along with her failure at MO causes Fubuki to fall into a slump.

Episode 8: Similar to some of the aspects of the actual episode 10. On a patrol sortie Fubuki nearly gets sunk. Mutsuki's upset at Fubuki for being so out of it. Akagi then is the one to bring Fubuki back to senses and Fubuki and Mutsuki have their little moonlight chat. It is then determined that MO has to be attacked again, with the fleet assembling at Truk later, and the fleet heads out again with Shōkaku replacing Kaga.

Episode 9: Similar to MO in the actual episode 7 with Fubuki saving the day. At Truk Fubuki gets her remodel. First part of Yamato episode.

Episode 10: Second part of Yamato episode, followed by the raid on the main base in the second half.

Episode 11-12: MI

Klashikari
2015-03-26, 05:20
Bringing delicious Noto.

Who was voicing the Himes? Both Airfield and Midway have difference actresses. (Does Wo-class have an voice actress?)
No, it is the same seiyuu: Sakakibara Yoshiko. She also did the narration in episode 1.

Qikz
2015-03-26, 05:25
The wo class has a staff because it's pimp as all helll, does she need another reason?

James Rye
2015-03-26, 05:55
There are two things I need clarification of to make sure I am not imagine things:

1) There was a bomb dropped on Akagi in the last episode at the end, right? Where did that one go at the beginning of this episode? I saw nothing of it, not a single screen of it being hit or missing Akagi or anything.

2) The Wo ship that Fubuki had hit in the head and left a mark, that one had YELLOW eyes, right? I am so sure that it had yellow eyes yet in this episode they were blue. What happened? I thought yellow eye Wo ships are elite whereas blue ones are normal, so did the hurt elite ship get a downgrade during the battle or what?

Overall this final battle felt pretty lackluster to me.
The Abyssal ships felt more like shooting targets and quite helpless, I even pitied them in this episode for literally being the punching bag of the shipgirls. But seriously, if over a dozen Abyssal ships just STAND around after surrounding two shipgirls and wait SEVERAL minutes without DOING ANYTHING while said girls are just talking and hugging and holding hands and literally WAIT till they fire their torpedos and do NOTHING TO DODGE THEM, then how can you even call this a goddamn "battle"?
This was not a battle, it was an overkill. And not a very enjoyable one too.

Also why did the Akatsukis show up? They didn't even fired a single shell from what I saw. They just stood around looking cute and talked as nothing is happening around them!

Compared to the magical girl parody final episode with the boys being battle lovers this final was pretty lackluster. While in episode 11 you had all the tension and shit happening and you were on your edge on the seat if Akagi gets hit and maybe sunk or starts burning and the girls are forced to decide to stay and fight, waiting for help, or leave Akagi to save their own lives in this episode all the tension was sucked out in the first two-three minutes.
Afterwards it was just a bore watching Abyssal ships standing around or driving around and getting destroyed to dozens while accomplishing nothing!
Even when the Airfield Hime for some reason evolved and regrow her limbs and what not, no tension could build up because the Abyssal ships stopped being a threat with all those shipgirls in front of them, killing them the moment they showed their heads above the ocean.

Oh well, hope the second season doesn't do such a "all tension and suspense gone, all hugs and jokes ending" again.
I don't wanna roll my eyes at the girls fighting their nemesis! I want to cheer on them and to win but for that there needs to be a CHALLENGE that feels like real danger not a all you can eat Abyssal ship buffet that does NOTHING to look like a threat!
I don't care if Hime can summon hundreds aircrafts and regrow her limbs if all her planes get destroyed in a single shell shot of Yamato and her body gets blown to pieces by Nagato!

Geez...

Oh well, I wonder what season 2 will be about, now that Fubuki is already living the dream. :P

Klashikari
2015-03-26, 06:01
1) There was a bomb dropped on Akagi in the last episode at the end, right? Where did that one go at the beginning of this episode? I saw nothing of it, not a single screen of it being hit or missing Akagi or anything.
This isn't really an uncommon trick anime studio use in general: they retcon slightly what happened in the previous episode to 1) build the cliffhanger 2) make the current episode "flow better".
Of course, it is bit too easy here.
2) The Wo ship that Fubuki had hit in the head and left a mark, that one had YELLOW eyes, right? I am so sure that it had yellow eyes yet in this episode they were blue. What happened? I thought yellow eye Wo ships are elite whereas blue ones are normal, so did the hurt elite ship get a downgrade during the battle or what?You totally missed the FAQ explanations and the fact she had blue eyes back in episode 9.
Plainly speaking, the flagship wo class (with yellow eyes) evolved after being damaged by Fubuki and came back with her remodel form (blue eyes) when she raided the naval district.

~Yami~
2015-03-26, 07:07
It is not a bad adaptation

this mission reminds me about event
when you have to repeat the quest several times in order to sink the boss
so this time, you have to hit all the carriers before sinking the boss
I like the logic

I think they put too many Kantai in last mission. It should be fewer Kantai but more screentime for each of them.. Taihou's appearance didn't actually bring any significant development

Beside that, the tactic is really good and Nagato is a very good flagship + secretary ship
at this point, to be honest, I don't really mind if they didn't make any sequel.. but oh okay! They want to do it so let it be.. We might get more Kai-Ni in sequel
oh! I want more non-megane Kirishima... her Kai-Ni form should be megane-less.. looks more badass
and if only Shimakaze is a more cooperative kantai, I think we can remove the Akatsuki class DD from final battle.. One Shimakaze is enough :heh: as long as she didn't charge carelessly

last, I really hope Fubuki realized that she just sink "Kisaragi"
it was too bad that they didn't notice the hair ornament

DerGilga
2015-03-26, 07:39
The evil side:
1 hime
3 Wo-carriers
0 battleships
lots of cannon fodder
even more useless fodder white balls

vs

The good side:
7 carriers
7 battleships
some cruisers
some destroyers
1 main character
less useless aircraft

Did I miscount or did our heroes even had on paper a clear advantage? What a great recipe for a tense and climatic final battle.

Also great tactic by the abyssal, hime can't be killed unless, for some arbitrary reason, the three Wo carriers are killed first. So were to park them? At a safe spot far outside of the enemy's reach? Nope, right between hime and the enemy's forces. I know that the battles are primarily driven by plot, but they could have at least tried to give the illusion of tactic driven combat. The more I think about this episode the lazier it appears.

Sheba
2015-03-26, 07:45
Dont dismiss the flying takoyakis. Those little shits are a pain in the ass that denies air superiority that is important in that kind of battle. As long as they are here, the big guns and the squishies would be sitting ducks.

chaosprophet
2015-03-26, 07:48
Dont dismiss the flying takoyakis. Those little shits are a pain in the ass that denies air superiority that is important in that kind of battle. As long as they are here, the big guns and the squishies would be sitting ducks.

They didn't feel particularly menacing this episode though.

Benigmatica
2015-03-26, 07:55
While sending the whole fleet to destroy both the Wo-class Carrier (sad that she was sunked off-screen) and the Midway Princess, I feel that it's a bad idea because it would leave all of the Naval District vulnerable to Abyssal Fleet's counter-attack.

Still, it's a good episode to end this series. Of course, the fans want it more...

blakstealth
2015-03-26, 08:02
Bruhhhh, that was an action-packed finale. That Airfield Princess was a real menace, and the waves of fleet girls coming in at the scene were awesome (especially Nagato and Yamato. They got MOVES :3). What really disappointed me was how that Wo class carrier with the blue eyes didn't even put up a fight. The show hyped up her danger for like the last half of the series, and she got sunk like it was nothing. Oh well. Can't wait for the sequel!

Also, was that Kisaragi's hair piece thing floating up to the surface? And Give what back????

Benigmatica
2015-03-26, 08:06
Also, was that Kisaragi's hair piece thing floating up to the surface? And Give what back????

I was thinking that she wants her time spent with Mutsuki back. It's sad that the Midway Princess was actually Kisaragi!

Tiresias
2015-03-26, 08:23
Okay, finally watched eps 12. Some noticeable points:
-Oh hey, Akagi didn't die. I am completely and utterly surprised by that /SARCASM
-"So what does this makes us, Kongou-san?" "Big Damn Heroes, Bucky!"
-Wow, this FATE talk is getting seriously meta
-Obligatory lesbians made the OP pose
-Airfield turned into Midway Hime. OK, I genuinely didn't expect that. Whatevs, BOOBS!
-Have I mentioned how meta this whole Destiny and Fate thing is?
-Looks like Nagato gets to be Big Damn Heroes too. Wait, why did Yamato look pissed at that?
-Loli squadron has arrived. Khorosho.
-Wait, Ryuujou and Jun'you only got shown in the distance and from the back? Boo!
-Nagato PAWNCH! Nagato KICK!
-Abyssals have force shields now?!
-OH NOES, they just keep coming. looks like we need more Big Damn Heroes. But is there still a foreshadowed character that has yet to appe- FUCK YES TAIHOU!
-Looks like the Admiral's internet connection is fixed (shit, now I'm going meta too)
-Final Round of Love, Courage and Hope, RAWR!!! Oh wait, wrong series
-Wait, Kisaragi's pin? So she's the leak after all? And was that Hoppo whispering on Fubuki's head?

Right, might as well give my final impression:
Was it full of cliche? Were the battles sometimes odd or silly? Was the noseless CG bad? Yes, yes and Yes.

But you know what? It's adapted from a practically story-less browser game. That fact alone had put my expectations nearly rock bottom at the start, and it turned out better than I expected. The CG was tolerably rare, the non-CG's were pretty, Fubuki's waaaay cuter than her game counterpart, Kongou is spotlight thief, they didn't shove pantyshots to my fucking face like Strike Bitc- err, I mean Witches....and I fucking love the Soundtrack.

Could it have been better? Well, duh. MI just isn't the same without Akitsu Maru bitchslapping Midway with her guns and planes, and I can't believe there's zero submarines and Germans present, but eh, everybody has their non-appearing waifus to complain about :heh:. It's from a fucking Free-to-Play browser game, the trailers never promised something groundbreaking and cerebral, and I sure as hell never expected them. I like what I got. Besides, there's plenty of doujins for the non-usual (and thus more commercially risky) stories out there whenever I'm in the mood.

Am I gonna watch the sequel? Sure, why not.

arkhangelsk
2015-03-26, 08:56
So with that in mind here's something that in my eyes would've worked better:

Not bad, but I'll drop Fubuki's Kai-2 plot. Speaking purely of the anime, her least lovable moments were between Yuudachi getting her Kai-2 and Fubuki's body deciding to concede the point rather than risk destruction. And the worst part is ... they didn't even use it! Fubuki did shoot down a few fighters, but that's within the arc of anime plot and the anime didn't make explicit her use of the Director, so it feels like it was all for nothing.

I'll start throwing in Kisaragi in Ep1. We only have 3 episodes before we lose her and we need every moment to make her more of a character. So in Ep1, Kisaragi is still in TS3. Fubuki will replace her when she gets up to speed. In the first battle, Fubuki is not expected to be a combat capable unit so is outside of the regular structures, but tags along to see what fights are like. She still gets into trouble but is saved.

In Ep3, with Fubuki getting a provisional Sat, Kisaragi moves to TS4. The rest of the episode is the same. Less death flags. Kisaragi bites the dust.

Ep4, yeah, let it be. Don't make Yuudachi work hard just yet - the idea is kind of everyone is distracted over Kisaragi's death.

Ep5. Keep the fleet restructuring, but Fubuki does not become flagship. I know this anime is about Fubuki, but MC does not mean Hero every Day, and shafting five other characters until she can become flagship is not the way to go in my dictionary. Just show her improving, maybe even making some good points and that would be enough. Let Kongo lead the fleet - a MC shines more when she's in a band of good people than when she is leading the blind as the One-Eyed Man.

Ep6. An episode is too much to blow just on curry, so we have a Yuudachi centric episode. We learn that Yuudachi has transferred to be with the Akatsukis - the aces of the base (look at where they are in Ep1 - from a pure anime standpoint, I really didn't like how they were sneak-sidelined to Expedition duty; looks way too much like a demotion). Yuudachi realizes that she can't quite keep up with these destroyers who look several years younger than her. She gets the motivation to improve. Along the way, we can slip in the curry contest, which the Akatsukis want to join, dragging Yuudachi behind them. They go on the mission for that "Golden Spice", which they get, but not before a fight with the Abyssals (in the anime's equivalent of the Solomons, perhaps?) Yuudachi finds her spot and does something MVP worthy. The "Golden" thing gives them the edge for victory - I get the feeling that Ashigara actually made the better (if spicy) curry in Ep6, but Nagato sided with the Akatsukis.

Ep7: Put the Yamato episode here so we have two lighter episodes back to back. On finishing, we get serious.

Ep8: Effectively Ep7. Kaga gets knocked out. OK for the stuff about radio, but perhaps it might be time to introduce the "Fate" concept here. Shokaku gets hurt. Let Fubuki keep her creds here. Except we can add one detail. Everyone decides that Wo was Tai-haed but Fubuki, who inwardly wonders whether taking out one eye with one 5 inch shell counts. Since she's not the flagship, she doesn't get to make the choice. There, now Fubuki looks smart. Somewhere near the end we spend one minute on Yuudachi, who is doing repeated sweeps somewhere in the Solomons with her group.

Ep9: Yuudachi glows. Fubuki wants to get a Kai-2 too, of course, but is told she probably won't make it. Apparently, hard work is one thing, but whether you get a Kai-2 depends on the qualities of the past ship, its possibilities ... etc. Since HIJMS Fubuki was unfortunately a most ordinary destroyer with a most ordinary battle record with no intended mods in her lineage (and a quick death), sorry probably not. She sulks for more of the episode than actual (if we are going to angst, let's Angst). Base gets bombed by the supposedly Taihaed Wo (now Flagship Kai).

Ep10: Yuudachi isn't sure exactly what special event gave her a Kai-2 but actually spends some time telling Fubuki what she did do. Fubuki gets happier knowing that her friend did have to work, but that doesn't solve the problem of her Kai-2 and working with Akagi, which looks farther away than the moon.

Yuudachi asks her that if she had her choice of Kai-2, what might it look like. Fubuki's answer and reasons are obvious, and Yuudachi suggests that if possibilities can count, then maybe Fubuki can just create the possibility from the present rather than the past.

They run to Yubari who spends some time making a radar, FD director and gun for Fubuki, so she can practise with a form similar to her desire. The rest of the chapter involves Fubuki working smarter, with Mutsuki and Yuudachi helping her look up information and all. She gets good at shooting down planes, but she doesn't glow. Yuudachi says this is something she can't do even with her Kai-2, and Fubuki will be a good escort for Akagi. Fubuki starts to almost forget all about Kai-2 in favor of doing her personal best. As she gets this epiphany, she glows and Kai-2s.

Ep11-12 Midway. Please Akagi, look like you are fighting smarter. Look like you are fighting Fate. Make Fate work. And when Fate works, itd be nice if it was cleverer than repeated respawns and a gamey failure to kill boss until you kill carriers.

(Ironically, Ep12, for all its flaws, did manage to put Fubuki in almost the right relative position. Let's keep it this way.)

JokerD
2015-03-26, 09:15
Part of me wants to see the Akatsuki class kids use the anchors in melee combat, but the rest of me knows it's not possible. Nagato using melee was kinda ... :heh:
The torp cruisers didn't play a part after taking out 8? ships, well you might have 80 torps but if you use them all in one go, you got nothing left other than that watering can :p

msg
2015-03-26, 09:22
See nobody died (in this episode) like some people wanted it (and some posters even confidently believe it will happen):D.It's not really a "tragedy" anime per se.I still believe Kisaragi is still alive and and being hidden by the kuso teitoku in this anime...:)

Sheba
2015-03-26, 09:23
Kisaragi is still alive and and being hidden by the kuso teitoku in this anime...:)
Cue hentai doujin where she is hidden in the basement completely mindbroken.

Sagitta Luminis
2015-03-26, 09:44
. . . That's it? I feel cheated. I waited the entire episode for something different, something that will make me feel anything, to no avail. This anime ended up being what I feared it would be - mediocre - which is the greatest sin.

blakstealth
2015-03-26, 12:15
It's sad that the Midway Princess was actually Kisaragi!Wait, what? And who's the Midway Princess. All I heard was "Airfield Princess" being dropped.

Eisdrache
2015-03-26, 12:21
Airfield Princess evolved into Midway Princess when she regenerated.

People think that because her hairclip surfaced right after the battle. There is absolutely no confirmation for Kisaragi to be either Wo-class or Airfield Princess. To be honest personally I think not even the show itself knows why it's there.

Sheba
2015-03-26, 12:26
It drifted undersea. Then it will drift until it hit the American shores and gets picked up by Forrest Gump.

Tiresias
2015-03-26, 12:31
Forrest Gump.

My momma always said, "The ocean was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."

LoweGear
2015-03-26, 14:22
My momma always said, "The ocean was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."

His momma's words of wisdom regarding LSC?

Sheba
2015-03-26, 14:25
His momma's words of wisdom regarding LSC?

He became TTK for the USN. But that's another story.

Flower
2015-03-26, 14:46
I didn't think the final ep was quite so bad (though all the abyssals patiently waiting in a circle around Kitakami and Oi while the two had a discussion was facepalm material), nor the series as a whole, but the biggest problem for me was the revved up recent pacing that began in the ep Fubuki got an upgrade in.

Before that ep and after feel too different for me, and it is jarring. Kind of a pity that they went that route as Fubuki before and after that don't quite feel like two different people, but it the contrast stuck out like a sore thumb.

I think if they had been able to keep the pace and feel of the first 3/4 of the series or so it would have been better...at least for me.

Mr. DJ
2015-03-26, 15:16
Well the Kisaragi reveal took much longer than I expected. I was expecting it to play a bit of mind fuckery on Fubuki.

But yeah...I don't like the idea that I have to wait for answers in the next season, if it gets made.

Overall enjoyed the series and the concept, so I do hope a second half will come.

Gravitas Free Zone
2015-03-26, 15:32
"The budget ran out": Super Wo being sunk offscreen between two camera cuts.

Airfield/Midway Hime gets a tiny bit of dialogue, which consists mostly of game audio clips, while the actual Big Bad, Wo, has no dialogue because game Wo doesn't have any dialogue.

I had the realization then that the Strike Witches Neuroi would have been just as good as villains. There's just about as much characterization, but they never bothered to talk. I am probably spoiled here by all of the Abyssal fan art, but in the end, the anime didn't even try to make the Abyssals more interesting than the generic mooks of the week. Wo could have been interesting, and there was that tiny glimpse where an Abyssal ship took the bullet for Wo, hinting at something more interesting going on, but that went nowhere in this season.

Rias
2015-03-26, 15:34
Overall the series isn't bad, but just confirmed once again that Hanada-Sensei is awesome at everyday/slice-of-life stories, but horrible at serious scenarios. Also refer to xenoglossia and Vividred.

Problems with the shows includes:
-Admiral logging off to go to work so he can buy points to get some buckets and spend on LSC for Taihou. (No explanations, story-wise)
-Kisaragi getting killed twice. (Or you could argue that it's not wo-class isn't Kisaragi, but then all of that foreshadowing goes down the drain)
-Execution of episode 12. Melee action? Seriously?


I think they should just concentrate more on the everyday/slice-of-life stories in 2nd season, since it's doubtful they will remake this. Actually, it's not that bad that warrants a remake anyway. I don't even care about using elements from fan fiction/doujin that much to begin with.

Wandering Soul
2015-03-26, 16:43
RIP Kisaragi.. again.

The battle was dissapointing and anti climatic. But the series was good for the most part and it is really just the last few episodes that fell short. Overall I do not regret watching and I would watch a second season.

DerGilga
2015-03-26, 16:55
Nagato and Mutsu didn't have CG-models. Did they run out of money or were they to lazy to make them?

Klashikari
2015-03-26, 16:57
That's the opposite: they "tried" to put more resources on this episode hence there is a little more 2D than 3D, although not by much.

DerGilga
2015-03-26, 17:26
Don't know. If you look at some group shots where they mixed 2D and 3D I think they were just lazy.

AC-Phoenix
2015-03-26, 17:27
Problems with the shows includes:
-Admiral logging off to go to work so he can buy points to get some buckets and spend on LSC for Taihou. (No explanations, story-wise)
-Kisaragi getting killed twice. (Or you could argue that it's not wo-class isn't Kisaragi, but then all of that foreshadowing goes down the drain)
-Execution of episode 12. Melee action? Seriously?


I think Taiho existed prior to that and was just in another navel district. At least Nagato and Mutsu seemed to be aware of her existance.
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Lol @ Ooi throwing the wale lol

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As expected, the damaged carrier was supposed to replace Enterprise in the events.
Next time we see it its probably gonna be as Carrier Princess.

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Not sure the admiral coming back was really good for the story.
Having him had died and Nagato just concealing it could have opened up space for an actually visible Admiral for the sequel.
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Kiseragi's hair ornament was wasted too, it would have had more impact if Fubuki had actually found it.
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Yamato's feeling is kinda random in my opinion.
No matter the odds her fate wouldn't have been sealed at Midway, so her being the one feeling that presence feels kind astrange considering how ships that were actually there apparently didn't feel it.

Yamato also indeed looked a bit annoyed when Nagato appeared, probably because she just lost the flagship position.
Or, that danborou fanfic is true, the fleetgirls being actually abyssals and Yamato being the only one in the know :heh:

Or... She is just sulking because Nagato didn't let her sortie until now.

Klashikari
2015-03-26, 17:29
Don't know. If you look at some group shots where they mixed 2D and 3D I think they were just lazy.
When 2D and 3D are mixed, it is because the scene is too heavy for the animators and they need the 3D team to alleviate the workload.
That's why 3D sequences are only present for sequences when you see several kanmusu + their gear and the planes.

Yamato also indeed looked a bit annoyed when Nagato appeared, probably because she just lost the flagship position.
Or, that danborou fanfic is true, the fleetgirls being actually abyssals and Yamato being the only one in the know :heh:

Or... She is just sulking because Nagato didn't let her sortie until now.
That glare bothered me the very moment it was shown, and it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Yamato was already taking orders from Akagi before Nagato showed up, and it isn't like she wanted to lead a fleet, but rather fight with everyone.
Also, it is very weird for her to keep a grudge on Nagato despite she also acknowledges the reasons why she has to be kept hidden.

chaosprophet
2015-03-26, 17:39
That glare bothered me the very moment it was shown, and it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Yamato was already taking orders from Akagi before Nagato showed up, and it isn't like she wanted to lead a fleet, but rather fight with everyone.
Also, it is very weird for her to keep a grudge on Nagato despite she also acknowledges the reasons why she has to be kept hidden.

Yamato is actually an Abyssal spy that was trying to make things go wrong without letting the others notice!

Jokes aside it may just be they not drawing properly or trying to make her have a serious face but not noticing how it made her look like she was angry/bothered by Nagato arrival. If it's just a mistake, it may be corrected in the BD.

AC-Phoenix
2015-03-26, 17:55
That glare bothered me the very moment it was shown, and it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Yamato was already taking orders from Akagi before Nagato showed up, and it isn't like she wanted to lead a fleet, but rather fight with everyone.
Also, it is very weird for her to keep a grudge on Nagato despite she also acknowledges the reasons why she has to be kept hidden.

Well historically she was supposed to be the IJN's Flagship.
Her glare might have a deeper meaning we won't understand until season 2 though.

Yamato is actually an Abyssal spy that was trying to make things go wrong without letting the others notice!


Funny you say that because I'd personally really like to see an anime version of this story line :heh:

Quoting myself from the image thread:



http://i60.tinypic.com/hvwaok.jpg

Author: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1681072?pool_id=8235


But yeah it would be nice if something like that was actually the reason for her glaring at Nagato.

Myssa Rei
2015-03-26, 17:59
https://i.imgur.com/nA5SMhv.gif
I'll just leave this here, but suffice to say I thought that the episode was a mess.

Klashikari
2015-03-26, 18:02
This isn't the only quality issue there. If anything, it is just the tip of the iceberg. All of these + wo kai sinking offscreen made me think that something failed big time during the production and they had to redo stuff in a rush.

Gravitas Free Zone
2015-03-26, 18:23
I'll just leave this here, but suffice to say I thought that the episode was a mess.

goes back to the episode and checks

Holy crap, that really happened, and they left it in. The Photoshop propagandists for authoritarian regimes would be shot for that sort of goof.

Ithekro
2015-03-26, 18:25
Kirishima was being cool, so I didn't notice.

FlareKnight
2015-03-26, 18:56
Well in the end I'd say that was pretty darn average.

This really just turned into a war of Fate vs. Plot. With Akagi whining about fate while the fact that the writers were on her side literally saved her life. So much so that they actually retconned the cliffhanger from last week :heh:. Or maybe they actually forgot how the previous episode ended, I put nothing behind the writing staff on this show :heh:. I know that sometimes shows do that kind of thing, but I still think that's utter bs. Create drama, sure. But actually follow through with it.

Plus even Kitakami survived!? Really!? That was sigh worthy enough, but the long scene that followed in yuri mode was just goofy. "No please feel free to have your moment, we the enemies that are terrible will just sit here and wait for you to kill us."

Plus sinking the super Wo offscreen was just....wasn't that supposed to be a big foe? Was that enemy really so unimportant that we couldn't see it sink?

The episode wasn't a total waste....Kongou was still in it :). Yamato got her chance to shine finally and was pretty awesome at blowing things up. There was some fun little moments in there. And I guess it's nice that the admiral came back...from wherever....with a message they already knew :).

I just think this is a really easy episode to find the negatives in.

Enternal
2015-03-26, 19:02
Overall, there's a ton of mixed feelings about the entire show. It seems the production team does not know exactly what they want to do or they keep changing their minds every episode.

On the other hand, it seems everyone does enjoy it a lot for the things it does right? Right? Well at least to me and I do see quite a lot of people here who really enjoyed all the moments that are not battle related. All the slice-of-life like episodes are great!

How are the Japanese fans responding? It's pretty mixed too isn't it? I hope that the production team is able to read all those comments and sort it out for the next season. Although honestly I still would like it more if they can somehow handle the comedy and slice-of-life with some plot like Strike Witches did...

chaosprophet
2015-03-26, 19:32
Thinking back, maybe it would been better to introduce that fate force around the middle of the story, have they trying everything but still not being able to go against it resulting in someone sinking around episode 8, and then in the finale they finally being able to beat it.

Triple_R
2015-03-26, 19:38
Well, it seems that they decided to go for an explosive and pretty straightforward Total Happy end.

The pros to that was some nice character moments, and a good end for almost all the characters, including the ones I was particularly fond of.

The cons is that it made the Abyssals look a bit worse (Flower's point on the Kitakami and Oi big moment definitely applies :heh:), and it cheapens the series slightly, given its military premise. Only slightly, though, as the show only very lightly flirted with "dark" and "serious". I can certainly think of some anime shows that had its own Total Happy end that felt more out of left field than this one did.


Aside from that, it did have some QUALITY issues, but I'm inclined to largely let them slide since it can't be easy to animate an episode of almost non-stop combat action.

It was a largely pleasing episode, so taking the negatives into account, I give this one 8/10.


On the whole, Kancolle was a good simple entertainment watch with a likeable cast and a decent but not fantastic plot. A mostly strong central character arc for Fubuki, and a good mix of entertainment and substance from other major characters (especially Kongou), makes Kancolle's simple plot work as well as it possibly could.

Ithekro
2015-03-26, 19:47
Techically Fate showed its ugly head in episode 3. Kiseragi sinking at Island W was just that, fate. That is where she sank before and thus were she sank again. The tossing in of the historical allusion that early on was the start of the fight against Fate. At that point, the worry about, "will they do Midway? Will they sink the carriers?" started to show up. We were not sure what would happen, but they had already used a allusion to an actual World War II event...and thus the stage was set for more drama to happen. The plot didn't even need to be written, it happened in reality. All they needed to do was read a history book, then decide were to fight Fate.

That place, the place to fight Fate, was Midway.

chaosprophet
2015-03-26, 19:51
I agree about that, Ithekro. I also liked that how it worked did connect with Kisaragi's sinking and also with that light carrier getting on fire (and possibly sink too?). But I think it would have been more interesting if the characters got aware of that earlier, lose to it once, are able to raise themselves up again in what seems to be a hopeless situation and then beat it.

Eisdrache
2015-03-26, 20:25
Aside from that, it did have some QUALITY issues, but I'm inclined to largely let them slide since it can't be easy to animate an episode of almost non-stop combat action.

Understatement of the season right here.

Rias
2015-03-26, 20:51
Diomedea really should've avoided pumping out 4 shows in one season. I didn't watch the other two, but World Break also suffered from animation quality for multiple episodes. (Well it's no Ore-Twin Tail, but still) I can't remember the last time any studio was taking the helm at so many shows at once.

Triple_R
2015-03-26, 21:07
Understatement of the season right here.

I'll admit I understated the QUALITY issues. :heh:

It helped that I lowered my expectations just before I watched the episode. I thought back to how the finales of some of my favorite 2014 anime shows were underwhelming and played it very safe. So I mentally prepared for the same with Kancolle's finale, and sure enough, that's what happened.

I can only bring myself to care so much about animation quality in a finale that's so clearly playing it safe, and going for maximum "feel good" and "Rule of Cool". Not to mention the Abyssals jobbing harder than Mick Foley in a Hell in the Cell match.

So I just tried to enjoy the finale for what it was - A simple treat for fans of the major characters and most of the cast.

Ithekro
2015-03-26, 21:41
Diomedea really should've avoided pumping out 4 shows in one season. I didn't watch the other two, but World Break also suffered from animation quality for multiple episodes. (Well it's no Ore-Twin Tail, but still) I can't remember the last time any studio was taking the helm at so many shows at once.


So basically KyoAni eight or so years ago. One show a season, but make it THE show of the season.

Marcus H.
2015-03-26, 21:46
Diomedea (previous Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu's Studio Barcelona) handled anime projects at roughly the same pace. 2013 was the last time they bulked up with Mondaiji, Noucome and Gingitsune while Akuma no Riddle was the studio's only project last year.

One interesting piece of trivia is that they do one project every even year. :heh:

Myssa Rei
2015-03-27, 01:05
Not to mention the Abyssals jobbing harder than Mick Foley in a Hell in the Cell match.

A little bit worse than that -- the Abyssals seem to stop doing anything (attacking, etc) the moment some of the girls need to talk. It's especially egregious during the Daily Lesbian (Ooi, ahaha) segment, where the DDs just happen to encircle, then do nothing while Ooi does her usual thing.

DerGilga
2015-03-27, 01:23
When 2D and 3D are mixed, it is because the scene is too heavy for the animators and they need the 3D team to alleviate the workload.
That's why 3D sequences are only present for sequences when you see several kanmusu + their gear and the planes.


If it were a heavy animated scene I won't complain, but even in past episodes the use of 3D seemed kind of arbitrary. If you look at this scene like the group shot after the battle they mixed 3D and 2D with almost no animation at all. I don't think Fubuki turning her head counts as animation heavy.

Sheba
2015-03-27, 01:44
I lowered my expectations the instant the director was announced. It did go up a bit during the first half, then episode 9 happened.

I have conflicted feelings about this final episode. Nagato and Mutsu got pieces of the action, Taihou got more than just a voiceless cardboard cameo and Midway Hime went down like a Fist of the North Star villain.

But the quality isses, the pacing, the needless insertion of game lines, the way the Admiral have been handled....

Klashikari
2015-03-27, 01:47
If it were a heavy animated scene I won't complain, but even in past episodes the use of 3D seemed kind of arbitrary. If you look at this scene like the group shot after the battle they mixed 3D and 2D with almost no animation at all. I don't think Fubuki turning her head counts as animation heavy.
That's the very reason why it was constantly mentioned the studio had huge trouble to handle the show, namely because the budget looks quite subpar and that they are also producing 3 other shows at the very same time this season.

And actually, if you check every multiple kanmusu scene, it isn't even arbitrary: they always put the girl on the foreground in 2D and the rest in 3D. They really cut the workload on the animators quite early on.

FDW
2015-03-27, 03:35
Yeah, look at this series in hindsight, it was better than expected, but really did a poor job of sticking the landing.

Ithekro
2015-03-27, 04:09
A little bit worse than that -- the Abyssals seem to stop doing anything (attacking, etc) the moment some of the girls need to talk. It's especially egregious during the Daily Lesbian (Ooi, ahaha) segment, where the DDs just happen to encircle, then do nothing while Ooi does her usual thing.

Isn't that an old D&D style trope? Talking is a free action.

Tiresias
2015-03-27, 05:12
Isn't that an old D&D style trope? Talking is a free action.

It's one of the oldest trope in entertainment. (Except in opera since they don't talk, they SING~):heh:

Gravitas Free Zone
2015-03-27, 07:48
It's essential in some media, like comic books, but it can really kill the pacing of anything that moves. Like this.

blakstealth
2015-03-27, 09:02
So where the the Admiral go? Did he go get some doritos and mountain dew???

Marcus H.
2015-03-27, 09:38
He had to make an arduous expedition himself to one of the most difficult zones his career: Outside.

Liddo-kun
2015-03-27, 09:46
Watched episode 12 today.

Continous fighting from start of the episode almost up to the end... wow... :)
The action is of course good. And I like the interactions between the characters.

Only disappointment is... The identities of the enemies, where they came from, and why they hate humans ---------- are not revelead yet. Have to wait for season 2??? >__<

My friend (http://worldcosplay.net/member/185306) likes to cosplay as Yamato and Kongou nee san. Sadly, our wallets did not agree. The props at their backs would cost too much. So it would probably be just the clothes and head accessories, if ever my friend's cosplay plans push through.

Voted 8/10 as ranking for the episode.

Nvis
2015-03-27, 12:17
I hope Midway Hime comes back if there's a sequel. :sad:

Sheba
2015-03-27, 12:21
Dude, she exploded like a Fist of the North Star villain. Not a chance.

Ithekro
2015-03-27, 12:41
Seaport Hime and Hoppo would be likely. Maybe Isolated Hime. Assuming they don't go for the Oni and non-installation Himes.

Gravitas Free Zone
2015-03-27, 12:57
Seaport Hime and Hoppo would be likely. Maybe Isolated Hime. Assuming they don't go for the Oni and non-installation Himes.

Earlier in the season I thought it would be cute if Hoppo showed up. Seeing how the Abyssals received barely any characterization at all, only being monsters of the week at best, I'd rather not see her now if it just means that all that'll happen is she gets spammed with bombs while flailing around a bit.

chaosprophet
2015-03-27, 13:44
Earlier in the season I thought it would be cute if Hoppo showed up. Seeing how the Abyssals received barely any characterization at all, only being monsters of the week at best, I'd rather not see her now if it just means that all that'll happen is she gets spammed with bombs while flailing around a bit.

A lot of hoppo and other Abyssal cuteness is just things fans made, but it's a complete opposite to what they're shown in the game. I would want the anime to give us more info about them, their origins, what is their motivation / reason they have that much hate, if ships-girls can really become Abyssal, how does it work, etc.

I don't expect them to show abyssal as cute nor having them acting mostly like humans as it's seen in many doujins or fan works. Maybe in a parody.

Sheba
2015-03-27, 14:15
Shipgirls are born from the prayers of the people who wished to be protected. Abyssals are born from the anger, grief and despair to have failed their people's prayers.

Gravitas Free Zone
2015-03-27, 14:18
A lot of hoppo and other Abyssal cuteness is just things fans made, but it's a complete opposite to what they're shown in the game. I would want the anime to give us more info about them, their origins, what is their motivation / reason they have that much hate, if ships-girls can really become Abyssal, how does it work, etc.

I don't expect them to show abyssal as cute nor having them acting mostly like humans as it's seen in many doujins or fan works. Maybe in a parody.

I don't really expect cute if they show up either, but any characterization would be an improvement. Airfield/Midway Hime's appearance was hardly better than that of any other random shinkaiseikan, even though she has a bit of game dialogue, unlike the generic game Wo. In my previous post I said that they might as well have used the Neuroi from Strike Witches, the level of enemy development in the anime is about the same. (Arguably in SW there's more enemy development than in the KC anime (anime specifically).)

chaosprophet
2015-03-27, 17:18
Some anime nowadays tend to add a considerable extra amount of scenes to some episode sin the BD. If they do that to last episode, we may get to actually see the Black Wo Shooter sinking.

JameyoftheMegacosmos
2015-03-27, 19:36
What I'm waiting for now is some OVAs with Kantai crossing over with Arpeggio!

Miraluka
2015-03-27, 23:44
Suddenly:

Hair Quality:
http://i.imgur.com/dOGPDHe.gif

Cut+ Copy + Paste
http://i.imgur.com/2MYyMVsm.jpg

Look at the sky
http://i.imgur.com/QoZnL0Pm.jpg (http://imgur.com/QoZnL0P)
http://i.imgur.com/XUAf8Qam.jpg (http://imgur.com/XUAf8Qa)
http://i.imgur.com/CFxJjrzm.jpg (http://imgur.com/CFxJjrz)

6 fingers:
http://i.imgur.com/ux2ZoWVl.jpg

blakstealth
2015-03-27, 23:55
Nothing the blu ray's can't fix!!!!!

Ithekro
2015-03-28, 00:07
Soryu is the six fingered bandit carrier.

arkhangelsk
2015-03-28, 09:31
Nothing the blu ray's can't fix!!!!!

You want to reward them like that? :D

Triple_R
2015-03-28, 18:23
Look at the sky
http://i.imgur.com/QoZnL0Pm.jpg (http://imgur.com/QoZnL0P)
http://i.imgur.com/XUAf8Qam.jpg (http://imgur.com/XUAf8Qa)
http://i.imgur.com/CFxJjrzm.jpg (http://imgur.com/CFxJjrz)


The sky thing is pretty weird. And it's something that I noticed a bit in other episodes as well. It's like they couldn't make up their minds on if they wanted a particular scene to have bright blue sky or dark ominous clouds.

I honestly would be interested in what the Director's explanation of this might be.

Gravitas Free Zone
2015-03-28, 19:21
I thought maybe the sky thing was a split between the CG group and the traditional group, but the shots that look like CG don't even agree with each other.

risingstar3110
2015-03-28, 22:54
Yeah the quality is pretty suck. Worst of all is the pacing through, with character standing around while surrounded by enemies....

This is what happens when they are directionless on this, trying to fit too many kanmusu in to appeal fans. For that battle, they actually only need:

Akagi and Kongou and Yuudachi going alone first
Fubuki appear to help out on AA
Yamato and Kaga as support fleet and provide air cover
Mutsuki to provide the Admiral news


2 battleships, 2 carriers and 2 destroyers for most of the battle. This would have made the battle much more intense rather than 50 ships stand ideally

Which summarised the issue with the anime, they go for the safe route brushing the very cliche surface of each character, and ended up failing to explore or show the unique personality of anyone but Fubuki, which is very generic to begin with. This includes Yuudachi and Mutsuki. You will watch this anime, and then think "I rather stick with the character portrayed in the game, they have more depth and personality"

Nvis
2015-03-29, 01:23
So what were those white-ball-things the Hime sent out? A fighter or a bomber? Didn't show they could shoot, but there's a launcher in their mouth. Compared to Wo-class' fighters.

AC-Phoenix
2015-03-29, 02:16
So what were those white-ball-things the Hime sent out? A fighter or a bomber? Didn't show they could shoot, but there's a launcher in their mouth. Compared to Wo-class' fighters.

Oh those were takoyaki Abyssal Hellcats, Helldiver's and Abyssal Avenger's.

Ryuuoh DeltaPlus
2015-03-29, 10:09
And to think Akagi's Type 99 Zeroes (the worst fighters in the game) took out these guys.

IT's totally BS.

Kakurin
2015-03-29, 10:46
And to think Akagi's Type 99 Zeroes (the worst fighters in the game) took out these guys.
Little correction: The worst fighter in the game is the Type 96.

AC-Phoenix
2015-03-29, 13:00
And to think Akagi's Type 99 Zeroes (the worst fighters in the game) took out these guys.

IT's totally BS.

If those were Zero's they'd be type 21 Zero's.
But yeah the original hellcat was far superior to the Zero.

Its kinda sad they only showed head on fighter engagements instead of the way the Japanese actually used.

Basically they flew circle climbs higher and higher. After a while the Wildcat's would stall out and they just had to turn around shooting the stalling plane.

The moment the Hellcat came onto the Battlefield those pilots were in for a really bad surprise.

Eisdrache
2015-03-29, 16:02
I was wrong, Tone/Chikuma actually fired in this episode and they took down a Wo-class to boot.

To make up for it, maybe this was so obvious that nobody mentioned it:
http://piclair.com/data/tbdtc.jpghttp://piclair.com/data/1tbyq.jpg

James Rye
2015-03-29, 17:26
I was wrong, Tone/Chikuma actually fired in this episode and they took down a Wo-class to boot.

To make up for it, maybe this was so obvious that nobody mentioned it:
http://piclair.com/data/tbdtc.jpghttp://piclair.com/data/1tbyq.jpg

More like "look where Akagi's right hand is". XDDD

Ithekro
2015-03-29, 21:56
Proper placement.

FunnyGuy
2015-03-30, 05:17
More like "look where Akagi's right hand is". XDDD

Kaga is falling forward.... maybe on the shoulder or tummy for support? C'mon the breast plate, Akagi can't grope her.:heh:

Anyway, liked the EPIC used of PLOT ARMOR and DEUS EX MACHINA for the finale.

LoweGear
2015-03-30, 05:19
I don't really fuss much about the animation quality of TV episodes, since in the long run we know they'll fix it for the BD/DVD releases. Would've been nice for the episode to look great right off the bat, but knowing it'll be fixed is still better than not. :heh:

AC-Phoenix
2015-03-30, 05:33
I don't really fuss much about the animation quality of TV episodes, since in the long run we know they'll fix it for the BD/DVD releases. Would've been nice for the episode to look great right off the bat, but knowing it'll be fixed is still better than not. :heh:

Actually a BD screencap someone posted in one of the other threads shows a different screwup that wasn't even in the anime :heh:

Kakurin
2015-03-30, 05:38
Actually a BD screencap someone posted in one of the other threads shows a different screwup that wasn't even in the anime :heh:
They fixed the strange and inaccurate proportions. The "screwup" was removing Samidare.

Marcus H.
2015-03-30, 10:14
How hard actually has been the reaction of the fans over the anime series itself?

blakstealth
2015-03-31, 12:41
They fixed the strange and inaccurate proportions. The "screwup" was removing Samidare.nothing the blu-rays can't fix!....wait

Nvis
2015-04-01, 01:18
Sad, no more kancolle.:sad:

Klashikari
2015-06-25, 07:32
Episode 12 has been rebroadcasted, and the changes (http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/64990) are quite obvious and numerous.
It was quite obvious ep12 wasn't exactly finished considering how awkward some scenes were (notably Wo kai's sinking, and Ikazuchi stock shot from ep6), but now, this leaves no doubt at all regarding that matter.

It is quite unusual for re-broadcast to feature ammendments, so it is very likely the flak they got upon the first broadcast made them work again this episode. No guarantee the BD will feature more of them, although they still kept some bloopers like Souryuu's sixth finger.
Meanwhile, Yamato's expression is still a mystery, although her more worried expression makes way more sense than her displeased glare upon Nagato's arrival.

Marcus H.
2015-06-25, 07:43
More people noticed Yuudachi Kai's eyes. :heh:
They are smoldering hot-poi!