Licensed + Crunchyroll Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2202: Ai no Senshitachi (Soldiers of Love) [Archive] - Page 3

Ithekro

2017-03-14, 16:12

The Cosmo Pulsar takes the best qualities of the two Cosmo Tigers and combines them into a versatile space frame that can both carry large amounts of diverse ordinance and dogfight with pulse lasers. The Yamato 2202 versions, the Tiger I seems to be very ordinance heavy with huge guns of undefined limitations, while the Tiger II seems to be more a traditional dogfighter with the ability to carry some larger ordinance than the older Cosmo Falcon. It has more bulk than the Cosmo Zero and can likely carry about as many weapons as that space superiority fighter, minus the heavy nose cannon. The Tiger I goes for all ordinance and two nose cannon substitutes.

The Cosmo Pulsar has the basic dogfighter body with the ability to mount multiple hard point attachments, including able to mount heavy cannons, larger arrays of missiles, or huge shipkiller torpedoes.

In the old version the First Series Black Tigers were essentially the Cosmo Tiger I. The Second Series and onwards had the Cosmo Tiger II and its variants. The Attack Bomber variant (Cosmo Tiger II AB) has the added turret while the torpedo bomber is heavy modified and sometimes defined as the Cosmo Electra. It has a rounded nose, still has the turret, just typically carries larger torpedoes than the Cosmo Tiger II. I imagine this model will be removed from Yamato 2202 since it is not logical given that the Cosmo Tiger II can carry larger torpedoes just as good, so the only variant would be one with a turret.

I do wonder if they will still have a Cosmo Zero on Yamato, or if they still have Cosmo Zeros in the fleet as they apparently still have Cosmo Falcons in service as they build more Cosmo Tiger IIs. The Cosmo Tiger I seems to be a prototype that the government didn't go for as too difficult to pilot. So I imagine its fleet role is still filled by whatever Cosmo Zeros were built.

TZoli

2017-03-14, 16:38

Yes.
Here is the old Cosmo Electra:
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/bomber_electra.jpg
And the Black Tiger: (Which seems used as a bases for the atmospheric fighter we seen in the first episodes of 2199, repelling the Gamillas cross carrier bombers.)
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/fighter_blacktiger.jpg
Or was that the Cosmo Jaguar?
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/lrfighter_cosmojaguar.jpg

TZoli

2017-03-14, 17:14

By the way, an excellent drawing of the bottom turret of the Isokaze class:
http://i.imgur.com/8HqVrxb.png

Ithekro

2017-03-14, 17:24

The Cosmo Jaguar is more like a small torpedo boat than a fighter.

The Cosmo Falcons from Yamato 2199 are the updated version of the old show's Black Tigers. They couldn't really use "Black Tiger" anymore as it seems to be a popular seafood or something like that so it might not be taken seriously anymore. As it was the Imperial Japanese Army equivalent to the Imperial Japanese Navy's Zero fighter was the Falcon (Hayabusa or "Oscar" to the US military)

skaianDestiny

2017-03-14, 18:32

Proof?
Also it did not blow it up just... "devastated" it.

Their child is on the Moon for Planet Bomb Syndrome treatment. Zordar blows up the Moon to make a point. Fukui has said he wanted to make people cry.

That kid has no chance whatsoever.
By the way, an excellent drawing of the bottom turret of the Isokaze class:
http://87.98.217.128:1327/h/54cb0e6651cd721e656351ab6653e9a74ca86640-464775-1280-1835-jpg/keystamp=1489530000-61916f428b/080.jpg

Pic is broke.

Ithekro

2017-03-14, 21:01

Melting the moon would kill everyone there, so yeah, that's going to suck for all those people and the Gamilas embassy staff. I wonder if Makoto will die with her son on the Moon. It would give Kato no real reason to live other than to take out Gatlantis...leading to him having his death as well, thinking they'd done it.

(the picture was fine earlier, but not now)

jaehaerys

2017-03-14, 21:22

A question arose in me:
After Yamato 2199 was a huge success and looks like Yamato 2202 will be similar as well, one would wonder...
Might they consider a Space Pirate Captain Harlock remake?

Depends on who "they" is. Yamato 2199 and its sequels are being handled by Nishizaki Shoji (obviously in cooperation with Bandai and other large companies), son of Nishizaki Yoshinobu. Yoshinobu was the original creator of Yamato and ended up on a very prolonged legal battle over the rights to Yamato with the show's director Matsumoto Leiji. Matsumoto has nothing to do with 2199 and presumably still owns the rights to Harlock, so the people behind 2199 are unlikely to be working with him anytime soon.

Now other people, including Matsumoto, may look at the success of 2199 and think, "hey, maybe we can get in on that." Honestly, though, I don't think Matsumoto is that interested in doing more anime works, and Harlock was never as popular as Yamato so it would be unlikely to do as well. The 2013 Space Pirate Captain Harlock film was also not much of a financial success.

I'm not saying that there will never be any more Harlock. Indeed, I think the series will be revisited again someday, perhaps in the form of anime. It's one of those franchises that has something produced from it every once and a while. I just wouldn't get your hopes up for a 2199-style full-series anime remake.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-15, 01:17

http://i.imgur.com/JBcl880.jpg

Someone modeled the defense satellite. For those of you who've watched the full movie, what did it fire?

TZoli

2017-03-15, 03:33

Try now the image (Isokaze turret)
But the image is from here if you can open the gallery:
https://e-hentai.org/g/990140/980fc2fda2/
https://e-hentai.org/g/990187/edaae28832/

August138

2017-03-15, 04:34

Well in the old series this was the Cosmo Tiger I:
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/fighter_cosmotiger1.jpg
And this was the Cosmo Tiger II:
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/fighter_cosmotiger2.jpg

Unfortunately, your source, Starship Schematics (with all due respect) uses some of the names created for the "Star Blazers Technical Manual" (1998), and were not called such in either the Japanese originals. This class of space fighter was originally the replacement for the Black Tiger, which is why they were labeled, "Cosmo Tiger II". For YAMATO: 2202 they are retconning this dilemma by creating a "real" Cosmo Tiger One, so the rightful Cosmo Tiger II can truly be a Cosmo Tiger II. In the original continuity, they were classified as so: The standard Cosmo Tiger II is a "Single-Seater Type"; the "Three-Seater Type" (a two-seater cockpit and a single-manned turret); and the "Torpedo Bomber" (a single-seater with a manner turret). Starship Schematics gives it the name, "Electra", but it's designated as the "Cosmo Tiger II Torpedo Bomber" in the Japanese original. There are further variants of the Cosmo Tiger II seen in BE FOREVER, YAMATO III, and FINAL. In the early stages of production on FAREWELL YAMATO, they were called the "New Cosmo Tiger" or simply as "Cosmo Tiger".

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/748/33324089931_8c6ff43501_z.jpg
Cosmo Tiger II: Standard "Single-Seater Type" (characters on box denote "Cosmo Tiger II")

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3680/33068928440_c94f4f427e_z.jpg
Cosmo Tiger II: "Three-Seater Type" w/Gun Turret (characters on box denote "Cosmo Tiger II")

August138

2017-03-15, 06:25

http://i.imgur.com/JBcl880.jpg

Someone modeled the defense satellite. For those of you who've watched the full movie, what did it fire?

What appeared to be a green-colored positron shock beam. Here's a shot of the more completed model, still in progress, from the twitter user @yura_greycube:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2882/33453612775_a21e3d40af_o.jpg

TZoli

2017-03-15, 07:35

They look identical to the Kongo 36cm triple turrets so I assume these are salvaged, stored ones or newly built turrets updated to fire shock cannon beams.

bensellers

2017-03-15, 07:48

They look identical to the Kongo 36cm triple turrets so I assume these are salvaged, stored ones or newly built turrets updated to fire shock cannon beams.
Given the raw productivity we've seen out of earth in 2202, I'm willing to bet they're newly built turrets. Almost definitely firing shock cannons.

August138

2017-03-15, 16:25

Given the raw productivity we've seen out of earth in 2202, I'm willing to bet they're newly built turrets. Almost definitely firing shock cannons.

What Ben said; but as astutely pointed out by Ithekro, they are the same "green beams" used by the earlier generation of Cosmo Navy ships at the Battle of Pluto.

This Defense Satellite's beams have absolutely no effect on the Gatlantean Calakmul-class Battleship.

Ithekro

2017-03-15, 16:51

Are they shock cannons? They looked like the older green beams the fleet was using before they completed Yamato. The ones that bounced off Gamilas hulls at Pluto.

TZoli

2017-03-15, 16:52

All part of the ship or sections like nose, aft, main hull?
That partly answers why the Yunagi did not fire it's main cannons after warping in but that is probably caused by the engine's energy consumption for warp and the ship needs time to recharge it's weapons after the warp.

Ithekro

2017-03-15, 16:59

I mean just the defense satellites.

bensellers

2017-03-15, 17:51

What Ben said; yes, they are all Shock Cannons.

Which have absolutely no effect on the Gatlantean Calakmul-class Battleship.
Wait the defense satellites fire on that battleship in episode 1? Wow... I cannot wait until I can watch the whole episode.

August138

2017-03-15, 18:24

Are they shock cannons? They looked like the older green beams the fleet was using before they completed Yamato. The ones that bounced off Gamilas hulls at Pluto.

Come to think of it, you're 100% correct. Dammit. I'll edit my previous post accordingly to avoid confusion... Thanks!

ATTENTION: Ben... "Spoilers"! :p

skaianDestiny

2017-03-15, 18:37

Hope we see the proper EDF battle satellites sooner or later. Those looked cool

EDIT: Someone uploaded a pic.

http://i.imgur.com/GLDpKzJ.jpg

Did they have the same sound effects as the old UNCF weaponry?

Ithekro

2017-03-15, 19:20

I'd say there is a lot of English in this show, but I looked back and there was a lot of English in at least Yamato 2 on display screens and the like. Might have been one reason as a kid, seeing Star Blazers, the idea that it was a Japanese show never crossed by mind. Aside from the dub being in English and the character not looking all that different from anyone I might see around the area, they also had English signage and displays. And those were not edited in. We the character names ones were to cover up the Japanese character names).

I don't know if the sound effects will help, since Yuunagi and the rest of the Earth ships' guns didn't sound at all like Yamato's shock cannons. Andromeda's did I think.

August138

2017-03-15, 20:42

I don't know if the sound effects will help, since Yuunagi and the rest of the Earth ships' guns didn't sound at all like Yamato's shock cannons. Andromeda's did I think.

Just watched again to note these, here. All of the other Shock Cannons do not have the Yamato's distinctive sound effect. While the Satellite Defense System did not sound like the new or old UNCF ship's guns, either. The Andromeda's Shock Cannons feature a sound element of the Yamato's, but it's still different.

BTW, I just watched YAMATO 2 all the way though, I don't don't recall seeing much English Signage at all. There were plenty of maps in Japanese, especially during the top-of-the-episode recaps.

Ithekro

2017-03-15, 20:54

Check the screens inside the torpedo boat that Saito is flying somewhere around episode 20. I seem to recall those being in English.

The maps being in Japanese makes sense, the audience is meant to understand those. The random information on readouts and the like on the ships is not something the audience needs to know, so I tend to see a lot of English there. More so in Yamato 2199 and 2202. Lots of English on display screens....and sometimes Engrish as well.

August138

2017-03-15, 21:17

Check the screens inside the torpedo boat that Saito is flying somewhere around episode 20...

Not a lot of English in YAMATO 2 to my recollection. But, hey, that gives me another excuse to watch them... again. :D

skaianDestiny

2017-03-15, 21:54

With CosmoDNA's translations of the mecha page, let's play a game of "guess where the Andromeda's weapons are!"

Here's the translation:

(A) 40.6 cm triple-barrel convergent compression type shock cannon x 4
(B) Quick firing torpedo launch tube x 4
(C) Gravity child spread launcher 4
(D) Four barrel anti-battleship grenade launcher x 2.
(E) Sub-space torpedo launcher x 4
(F) Conning tower protection shock field cannon x 3
(G) Six-barrel multi-launch lateral beam cannons for close combat x 2

And here's the Andromeda

http://i.imgur.com/lKwUIkB.png

Here's where I think the weapons are:

http://i.imgur.com/dZ1hxk6.png

I have a feeling they left out a few.

August138

2017-03-15, 22:00

Shouldn't "Quick firing torpedo launch tube" be "Rapid-firing torpedo launch tube"?

Ithekro

2017-03-15, 22:05

They left off a few of the Comet Empire ship's weapons, so I would guess Andromeda is missing some in the description. I know the Apollo Norm is missing several in her description if she is more or less exactly like Andromeda minus the aft batteries.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-16, 01:31

I think it's about time I actually got around to drawing our golden girl herself. So here's the Yamato in all her pixel glory.

http://i.imgur.com/VqnXfzP.png

bensellers

2017-03-16, 06:46

Come to think of it, you're 100% correct. Dammit. I'll edit my previous post accordingly to avoid confusion... Thanks!

ATTENTION: Ben... "Spoilers"! :p

Oops...... sorry.

EDIT: Also,it makes a hell of a lot of sense for the Defense Satellites' guns to be the older weapons- in the original lore, the satellites were originally designed in the First Gamilas War as a last-ditch defense, so it is logical they'd be the older tech.

TZoli

2017-03-16, 11:19

Oops...... sorry.

EDIT: Also,it makes a hell of a lot of sense for the Defense Satellites' guns to be the older weapons- in the original lore, the satellites were originally designed in the First Gamilas War as a last-ditch defense, so it is logical they'd be the older tech.

Actually not really, as they are seen to be ineffective against the Gamillas armour / hull plating and mostly likely to be the same effect on the Gatlantis ships.

bensellers

2017-03-16, 12:34

Actually not really, as they are seen to be ineffective against the Gamillas armour / hull plating and mostly likely to be the same effect on the Gatlantis ships.
My point was that they would have built them with what they had at the time- the green weapons systems. There are probably a few of the older model, axial shock cannons mixed in, as well Maybe they've been too busy building a fleet to upgrade them properly?

EDIT: I just found Kobayashi's orthos for the Kisaragi:
http://i.imgur.com/aoWDOmD.jpg

TZoli

2017-03-16, 13:36

And next to her the original Yuki:
http://i.imgur.com/aoWDOmD.jpg
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/cargocarrier_yuki.jpg

1 on 1 match just much more details and some fixes

bensellers

2017-03-16, 13:58

So... do we know what kind of guns the Kisaragi carries? I assume they're rather light, but they don't look like any shock cannons we've seen so far.

Ithekro

2017-03-16, 14:21

Probably early design of the light shock cannons they will put on the lighter escort ships. Probably similar to what the Isokaze refits have. Short barrels because a freighter doesn't need the range to defend itself. It also has four defensive turrets around the superstructure.

bensellers

2017-03-16, 14:33

Ithekro

2017-03-16, 14:43

The aft view of the Kisaragi makes it appear there are four, since there is no centerline after turret on the model, but there is at least something aft of the bridge. This is either a rendering error or the engine obscures the aft turret.

The drawing of the Yuki is slightly different and has a clear centerline aft turret.

TZoli

2017-03-16, 14:52

I would say rendering error as the forward AA guns look outward and forward while the aft gun looks aft. On the aft view you can see the guns looking forward.

bensellers

2017-03-16, 15:34

Ya know, I gotta say, the Apollo Norm design is really growing on me, especially now that the ortho views are out. I kinda like the swept-back feel to it.
http://i.imgur.com/79pOHNx.jpg

skaianDestiny

2017-03-16, 15:38

Anyone know the length of the Kisaragi? I'd like to draw it.

Ithekro

2017-03-16, 16:35

That superstructure is huge, but then it does need to store all those 180 fighters someplace.

TZoli

2017-03-16, 16:40

The Apollo class made this Andromda variant an ugly design in my eyes, it robbed the beauty of the Andromeda. :(

Ithekro

2017-03-16, 19:31

I still want to see it in action and the swarm of Cosmo Tigers oe Falcons attached to them.

bensellers

2017-03-16, 20:38

I still want to see it in action and the swarm of Cosmo Tigers oe Falcons attached to them.
Yeah that'll be really fun. They're obviously built to mass-scramble fighters rapidly, for a quick launch when ambushed. And it's not a 100% atrocious design, it's practical at least.

August138

2017-03-16, 21:31

The excessiveness of the Andromeda Class, in this iteration, underlines the Earth's reckless race for military superiority, and is a metaphor for the direction that Japan's government is moving in, today.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-16, 23:02

Changing the topic for a bit, so Starsha was presumably pregnant with Sasha at the end of 2199 right? So assuming Iscandarians have the same gestation as humans, Sasha should be around one year old by now.

Wonder if we'll see her.

Also could someone ask Kobayashi how long the Kisaragi is? Otherwise I'll attempt to make a size calc.

Ithekro

2017-03-17, 00:44

Remember that Makto Kobayashi did artwork for both a new Musashi and a new Shinano for Yamato Resurrection.

Musashi's (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/445997169333519862/) bridge tower is a smaller version of what is on the Apollo Norm, while the Shinano (http://rocketumbl.tumblr.com/post/124495195825) has a large aft flight deck that carries the large torpedo boats seen in Yamato Resurrection (the one on Yamato was named Shinano).

What I am attempting to locate is the scale chart in the I believe 2009 Hyperweapon magazine as it was mostly on Yamato Resurrection materials....And I think gave the size of the Freighter Yuki.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-17, 00:47

TZoli

2017-03-17, 09:46

Looks like a gunboat or monitor. A modified Isokaze hull armed with a Kongo's triple 36cm turret at the bottom. And this was a 2014 drawing?

bensellers

2017-03-17, 13:15

Looks like a gunboat or monitor. A modified Isokaze hull armed with a Kongo's triple 36cm turret at the bottom. And this was a 2014 drawing?
It's gotta be hard to power that turret from such small a frame- probably has to have a really slow fire rate.

TZoli

2017-03-17, 13:49

It's gotta be hard to power that turret from such small a frame- probably has to have a really slow fire rate.

Probably everything aft of the bridge is devoted for the power plant and the front section for the crew, with the usual two fuel tanks on the sides.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-17, 13:56

Looks more like the Isokaze turret with no fin IMO.

bensellers

2017-03-17, 14:04

Looks more like the Isokaze turret with no fin IMO.
I'm pretty sure it's the Kongo turret. It's too big to be anything else. Can we also note the Destoria in that picture ramming through an earth ship and apparently giving zero fucks whatsoever?

Ithekro

2017-03-17, 17:12

I'm pretty sure it's the Kongo turret. It's too big to be anything else. Can we also note the Destoria in that picture ramming through an earth ship and apparently giving zero fucks whatsoever?

Which could turn to irony when an Imperial Guard ship tried to physically block Yamato at Gamilas and Yamato just rams right through it.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-18, 01:33

So I had a go at drawing that little ship. Coincidentally, this is the first ship I drew without an orthographic guide. Heavily modified my Isokaze sprite.

http://i.imgur.com/g2tJPky.png

Ended up smaller than the Isokaze based on the proportions, 65 meters. Downsized the side wings so the Kongou turret could actually rotate. Tentative armament also includes 2 torpedo tubes.

Anyone want to have a go at the name? It's either going to be a destroyer or monitor. Concept reminds me of the Roberts-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts-class_monitor). Even has the roughly the same gun caliber!

As for background, I'm thinking some quick builds meant to throw out spare Kongou guns by the Battle of Mars, with approximately 20 built. 19 were lost by the battle's conclusion, with the final one scrapped to repair the Kirishima. Ithekro do you have any input?

Ithekro

2017-03-18, 03:27

Kashino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_munition_ship_Kashino)?

Otherwise a monitor class name might work. Somehow I don't think she'd be long ranged so planetary defense ship of sorts. Sure it is just one solar system, but Either she doesn't have the engine capacity to make it to the outer planets, or just lacks the fuel storage once the bases around Jupiter and Saturn are lost.

Tiny, but not as tiny as the Interplanetary Wars era destroyers. Not sure why it has both the bridge section like on the Isokaze and the nose area like a World Wars II bomber. Unless that's part of the torpedo loading and aiming system or the forward area is the gunnery station for the turret and someone wanted them to get a good look outside?

GundamFan0083

2017-03-18, 05:08

In the second link:

http://68.media.tumblr.com/325e830fc9472f8ea469897e51939c97/tumblr_nrqt75XWTg1sxm4gzo6_1280.jpg

That ship at the bottom under the Kongou looks interesting.

EDIT: Considering the recon plane Kodai uses is 14.2 meters long, does 15 or 16 meters wide for the Kisaragi's cargo containers sound good?

Interesting design indeed.
It's cannon looks too large to be Kongo class.
My guess is it is either an Isokaze class cannon or a Murasame class turret.

TZoli

2017-03-18, 05:25

Ithekro

2017-03-18, 06:07

The glass front semi-matches the Russian corvette designs by 禅芝zenseava (http://lighthousezen.seesaa.net/archives/201512-1.html) . Maybe it could be a Russian Federation war-built design. Soobrazitelnyy-class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soobrazitelnyy-class_destroyer)? So that its not named after a potentially Soviet city or person that wouldn't be honored by the late 22nd century?

So maybe the huge turret and larger than normal torpedoes?

TZoli

2017-03-18, 06:30

Only similarity is the front windowed area, everything else goes for Isokaze development line so I would stay with the Kongo turret or a triple 20cm Murasame turret

macdawson

2017-03-18, 12:10

Looks like a gunboat or monitor. A modified Isokaze hull armed with a Kongo's triple 36cm turret at the bottom. And this was a 2014 drawing?

No, the 2014 tag is because this was probably scaned from Hyperweapon 2014 - The Road to Varellous (Yes, it's supposed to be Baleras but Kobayashi and engrish go hand in hand), which compiled the bulk of Kobayashi's work for 2199. As for the illustration itself, it was around even before the show started its run back in 2012. The modified Isokaze might be nothing more than a study. Even the Kirishima is not a perfect match to what ended up on the show.

GundamFan0083

2017-03-18, 17:04

I've checked and the Kongo's turret fits barely under the aft wings of the Isokaze class so I think it's not impossible. On the other hand the twin Murasame turret almost as wide as the Isokaze under the 12,7cm turret.

The problem with it being a Kongo turret is that if you look at the image you can clearly see the size of the Kongo's triple turret compared to that of this concept ship in the foreground.
The bottom turret is facing the same direction as that of the picket/monitor/frigate ships and the turrets are not the same.
It could also be that this is a picket/monitor/frigate ship with its own type of turret system (the other three Cosmo-Navy ships all use their own turret type).

I think the idea is similar to what Zenseava posted a few years back. He did a piece based on either one of the older Hyperweapon magazine articles, or Yamato movie books.
I can't remember exactly, but this is the image.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1d/b3/7c/1db37c59756f780a761ce4f0857b1a35.jpg

Ithekro

2017-03-18, 22:57

(I hadn't noticed that the ship was in the foreground as I didn't see that it blocks some of the Kirishima's fin.)

Twin barrel version of the Kongo's 14 inch guns battery? A twin 28 cm battery? Or just a twin 20 cm battery on a destroyer sized hull?

Or the ship could be tiny. One of the early destroyers that only carry a twin 127mm battery. A Mutsuki-class destroyer compared to a Fubuki-class destroyer (the Isokaze type)

skaianDestiny

2017-03-18, 23:34

Meh, I like the little concept I came up with in my head already, so I'm headcanoning it as such. It's not like it's official material anyway.

EDIT: http://i.imgur.com/4XBNxHD.jpg

So it looks like I got the locations of all but one of the weapons right. Now if they're the right type? Not so sure. If we had a higher resolution I think we could match up the kanji on this with the one on yamato2202.net.

Ithekro

2017-03-19, 00:35

Having identified the subspace torpedoes or the side ray projectors (though the later one I feel is the six holes at the bottom of the bridge superstructure)

Maybe the subspace tubes are on the flanks at the front of the large midship's bulge? Two forward projections on each bulge.

Not identified what the weapons do though.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-19, 03:50

Look what popped out of the White Comet.

http://i.imgur.com/1za0aUf.png

Expect the Kukulkan, Nazca, and Medalusa in the coming weeks. Many thanks to Tim Eldred for scanning the orthographic views for me.

Ithekro

2017-03-19, 04:29

In two weeks I am planning on playtesting a Star Blazers Fleet Battle System game based on the first episode on Yamato 2202. I am attempting to redesign the ship sheets to fit the ships as seen I the series, but I do not know it the game setup is balanced, hence the testing. Andromeda is the largest question mark at present with her weapons.

The fleets are as follows:

Gatlantis:

3 Medaruusa battleships
4 Nazca carriers - one as hero ship
10 Lascaux cruisers - one as hero ship
24 Kukulkan destroyers

1 Calakmul heavy battleship in reserve - hero ship

Earth-Gamilas Fleet:

Gamilas:

3 Zeolguut fleet battleships with Walls.
1 Meltoria battlecruiser - hero ship
6 Destroia heavy cruisers
12 Kelkapia high speed cruisers

Earth:

7 Kongo battleships (one as Yuunagi - hero ship)
12 Marusame cruisers

1 Space Battleship Andromeda in reserve - hero ship

Goals: Destroyer all large battleships and over half of the rest of the enemy fleet.

Reserve ship is brought out after the loss of your own two large battleships.

Earth-Gamilas fleet has a large number of missiles. Generally heavier guns, but less of them overall. The majority of the Earth ships have the heavy bow shock cannons and weak shields. Andromeda has a massively powerful wave motion gun.

Gatlantis forces have special weapons (magnaflame guns), fighter-bombers, a huge number of light guns verse their counterparts, and they have the quantum torpedoes. The Calakmul has an extremely deadly short range weapon in the Lightning Strike Rings.

Gatlantis probably has the advantage due to the carriers and the quantum torpedoes, but the large number of Gamilas and Earth missiles along with the longer ranged shock cannons might be able to reduce the number of Gatlantis ships before they get into close range combat were their large number of light guns can overwhelm the Allied ships.

The Walls on the Gamilas battleships I have being able to stop a single magnaflame gun blast, but not two. Two will at the very least destroy the wall even if the Gatlantis player rolls extremely poorly for damage. Nothing else in the Gatlantis fleet can hurt the wall aside form the Lightning Strike Ring, as I currently have the Wall as an energy absorption device that with be able to absorb a certain amount of energy (or missiles I suppose) without taking damage. If the damage/energy received does not overcome the wall's ability, it will not take damage. If it exceeds it, it will take the remainder of the damage itself first. If it exceeds the hull of the Wall, the wall explodes (possibly causing damage to the fleet battleship) and any remaining energy will hit the battleship. I have not locked down the rules for it yet for taking into accounted smaller weapons fire against the wall during a turn. I know several ships can put out a lot of firepower within the game rules just using their normal guns....if they call hit at short ranges they can rival or exceed that of a wave motion gun (as the wave motion guns are toned down in this sytem so that the Earth fleet can't just do what Andromeda does in this battle...sit across the table and fire the wave motion guns, wiping the enemy out all at once). I can't imagine that the Walls could be easily destroyed by smaller cannons and missiles, otherwise the Gatlanteans would have focused fire on them rather than just used the Magnaflame guns. (the wall could likely be destroyed from behind where the engines are, but I'm going to have it basically be part of the battleship's counter, so from other angles you'd be attacking the battleship, not the wall. The walls protection goes both ways. It prevents enemy fire from hitting the Gamilas battleships from the front 60 degree or so arc, but also prevents the battleship from firing back into that arc. The wall will also provide cover for ships behind it for a short distance. Preventing the Magnaflame guns from taking shots at Allied ships that are just behind the wall.

GundamFan0083

2017-03-19, 04:31

My Isokaze is coming along slowly, but surely.

http://orig14.deviantart.net/e22b/f/2017/078/8/6/isokaze_class_wip_by_kodai_okuda-db0uqye.jpg

TZoli

2017-03-19, 07:13

The Kongo standard Refit as well: :)
http://tzoli.deviantart.com/art/Kongo-Refit-Work-in-Progress-668634945

skaianDestiny

2017-03-19, 23:39

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=47045862

3D renditions of original series Yamato's different refits throughout the series.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-20, 00:59

The Kukulkan.

http://i.imgur.com/EEFDuoT.png

And here's the Gamilas cruisers and destroyers with their Gatlantean counterparts:

http://i.imgur.com/0XKkULI.png

August138

2017-03-20, 04:06

Here's a screenshot of the Defense Satellite System from Episode 1:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3793/32703325194_60a925eb1d_o.jpg

Ithekro

2017-03-20, 06:03

I wonder why there is a double row of Roman numerals running down the cylinder of each section?

TZoli

2017-03-20, 10:32

The openings where the numbers are located looking rather small they might be stabilisation and correction thrusters and the numbers ease the maintenance by knowing which one malfunctioned and needs repair.

TZoli

2017-03-20, 11:27

I still wonder if the Andromedas or any Dispersion type Wave Motion Gun equipped ships able to fire regular wave motion beams like the Yamato? Image a twin wave motion energy beam spiralling together continuously without expanding into numerous smaller beams. Such power could destroy a moon as Androemda demonstrated, but could it maintain it's integrity for a longer period?

TZoli

2017-03-20, 13:03

Some nice Pixiv arts:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=61882684
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=61851603
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=61697046

Ithekro

2017-03-20, 22:52

I believe the notes for the Andromeda-class mentions that their wave motion guns can fire normally as well as firing in dispersion mode. I don't imagine them spiraling around each other in such a mode, but maintaining a straight path melting everything it their path.

As for the art, the MMD renders will be used for NicoNico videos in the near future I think. There was a contributor that was making a KanColle-Yamato crossover with the majority of the shipgirls riding on top of Gamilas warships, with only a small number being inside Yamato (the space battleship, not the woman). The Gatlantis forces being ridden by the Abyssal fleet girls when needed. Most the Gatlantis ships were mostly the older models, but they are slowly replacing them with new Yamato 2199 models.

The most recent one is here (using a reimagined version of the old series final fight with Schultz fleet in the Oort clout/Planet X asteroid field.)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30791327

skaianDestiny

2017-03-21, 03:11

Decided to draw up those Zoelguuts with walls, dubbed the "armored assault type Zoelguut" in one of the interviews on ourstarblazers.com. Left out the markings because JFC Kobayashi.

http://i.imgur.com/VaO46pq.png

One thing I'd like to see for the future are new Gamilas ships, either adapted from the Galmans or completely new such as the Deusura II or Meltoria.

TZoli

2017-03-21, 13:50

I would draw more designs but by experience with the Kongo, it's damn difficult to draw round edge shaped ships and Gamilas has plenty of those designs!
I've liked Andromeda because it had mostly straight lines and only the aft part was rounded, I had my time with the Arizona with it's tricky lower bow section, and now Kongo is all but round parts!

skaianDestiny

2017-03-21, 19:00

The Nazca.

http://i.imgur.com/MOXbbHx.png

I wonder how large the Gatlantis double-deck carrier will be.

Ithekro

2017-03-21, 19:51

Huge. It will be huge.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-21, 20:05

What size range? 400-500 meters? Greater than 500?

I'm guessing around 500 myself.

Funnily enough it still makes Gamilas ships some of the smaller ones in the new series.

Ithekro

2017-03-21, 20:47

If the Twin Deck Carrier is proportionally larger than the High Speed Carrier at the same ration as the original versions, the Twin Deck will be something like 415 meters long.

However if the ship gets increased the scale while of the battleships, it be 520 meters long, as it was the same length as the standard Gatlantis battleships in Yamato 2. Which would make it Huge as it is far wider than the battleships.

Also it be logical if it was Huge in order to throw out a gigantic number of fighters to combat the Apollo Norm, Gamilas, and other Allied carrier designs that all carry more than 24 fighters like the Nazca-class.

The Gamilas ships were always the small ships in the series until Yamato III made the Galman ships huge. Yamato 2199 making the Gamilas ships have a much better range of ships and sizes was one of the appealing concepts.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-21, 22:31

I just need to finish the Medalusa and I'll be able to make the Definitive Size Chart of Space Battleship 2199 Ships. Kind of excited.

Ithekro

2017-03-22, 04:18

Does anyone have a clue what Andromeda's other weapons might do? Energy weapons, projectiles, missiles? What are they intended to combat? Things like that. I'm attempting to come up with something reasonable for gaming stats with very limited information.

Some are obvious. Her shock cannons and wave motion guns are a known quantity. The rapid fire torpedo tubes will be easy enough and I can come up with something to cover the subspace torpedoes (assuming they are simply torpedoes that can also breach into subspace to hunt dimensional submarines.) The "Commander Protection Shockfield Guns" are likely just the AA batteries on the bridge superstructure.

It is the gravitian spread launchers, quadruped pair Ship Grenade Projectors, and Sixth Union Battle Battle Side Ray Projection Guns that are vexing me at present.

I'm not sure what the gravitian spread launchers are even for, much less if they are energy beam weapons, missiles, energy torpedoes, or what. The Grenade projectors might be similar to Yamato's "depth charges" and could either be another anti-submarine weapon or an anti-fighter/missile weapon system. If it is anti-ship....I'm not sure how that works. The Side Ray Projection Gun I can guess at, but it be handy to have a suggestion for their power compared to the shock cannons (I would guess a shorter range just by their positioning on the flanks) If the gravitain spread launchers are an energy weapon, I might treat them the same as the side mounted Ray Projectors to reduce the different type of weapons the ship has. On the other hand, if it is an energy torpedo like weapon, I can use it to be a counter to the quantum torpedoes of Gatlantis (because I have those as rather powerful and nearly unstoppable, aside from wave motion shielding and very heavy absorption armor)

TZoli

2017-03-22, 11:45

While we still don't know what are the "eyes" on the Gamillas ships, here are some close up great quality drawings showing them on various ships:
(From Space Battleship Yamato 2199 - Hyper Mechanical Detail Artworks)
https://exhentai.org/s/f9902a3fde/990187-6
https://exhentai.org/s/1ae4c9e678/990187-12
https://exhentai.org/s/19ea8253b1/990187-13
https://exhentai.org/s/d77d6428bf/990187-15
https://exhentai.org/s/fcc44758d3/990187-16
https://exhentai.org/s/4c46f50369/990187-30
https://exhentai.org/s/858512f195/990187-34
https://exhentai.org/s/ecf27792f2/990187-41
https://exhentai.org/s/c30adbd72d/990140-86
https://exhentai.org/s/1357bce3e7/990140-112

skaianDestiny

2017-03-22, 12:22

Personally I wouldn't post links to a porn site, but that's just me.

TZoli

2017-03-22, 12:39

Personally I wouldn't post links to a porn site, but that's just me.

It's not a porn site!
True it contains mostly hentai material with mostly doujins but it also contains image packs without any adult content like the ones I've posted!
Also it has a basic defence mechanism so you will see a sad panda if you don't know how to get rid of it in the first place!

skaianDestiny

2017-03-22, 13:58

While we still don't know what are the "eyes" on the Gamillas ships

According to production materials it's to "show intent". That's all they wrote though.

TZoli

2017-03-22, 15:11

The true Andromeda carrier variant the Aldebaran:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62050165
Artist given her the correct gun calibre of 50cm shock cannons with a nice angled flight deck but taken ideas from the old Lexington

skaianDestiny

2017-03-22, 15:24

Yeah, while it may be less "practical" I like the aesthetics of that a lot more.

EDIT: As an experiment I modified the Aldebaran by lowering the flight deck.

http://i.imgur.com/Kq6DoEm.png

How does it look?

TZoli

2017-03-22, 16:51

Looks better

Here is the Kongo standard Refit:
http://orig12.deviantart.net/4f7e/f/2017/081/c/9/kongo_refit_edf_mogami_by_tzoli-db2360x.png

skaianDestiny

2017-03-22, 17:52

Looks good! Eagerly awaiting the next 2.

Ithekro how are you modeling the Medalusa in the tabletop game?

Ithekro

2017-03-22, 20:55

The Medaruuse I did up after Ark of the Stars came out. I actually reduced its hull size a little to reflect the damage it takes plus to keep the larger Gamilas ships at roughly the same. Almost twice the hull of Yamato.

The Magnaflame gun I left more or less as is in the rules, I only expanded its fire arc slightly to take into account the intigrated SMITE technology.

The huge deck gun I was going to make a new combo weapon but it was too powerful, so I just made it equal to one of zordar's dreadnaught's larger turrets. Almost as powerful as a small wave motion gun but not.

The larger turrets are large pulse cannons, the smaller twin bvatteries are medium pulse cannons, I gave bit 9 M3 medium missile tubes with three salvos each. The two quantum torpedoes forward and two aft. Plus a healthy number AA defenses batteries. The quantum torpedoes are nasty as I have them equivalent of an improved heavy energy cannon (the same as the main batteries of Dommel's flagship), but fire during the missile phase, which is earlier than the direct fire phase. Plus unlike normal missiles and torpedoes, the quantum torpedoes cannot be shot down with defensive fire, meaning they have a higher chance of doing damage compared to the normal missiles. Their disadvantage is they have limited fire arcs, require charging up on smaller ships, and there are usually very few tubes per ship. (Missiles tend to have full spherical coverage of the ship, larger numbers of tubes, but ammunition limits and can be shot down...plus most do limited amounts of damage, more akin to a light battery at long range.)

TZoli

2017-03-23, 00:53

Well that quintuple (5 barrelled) turret of the Megaruda is actually more of a quintuple quad turret as each barrel makes up of 4 sections:
http://i.imgur.com/T2YtoZn.jpg?1

skaianDestiny

2017-03-23, 01:25

Well that quintuple (5 barrelled) turret of the Megaruda is actually more of a quintuple quad turret as each barrel makes up of 4 sections:
http://i.imgur.com/T2YtoZn.jpg?1
All the Gatlantean turrets have that barrel structure. You can see it on the Calakmul as it's panning up to the bridge and on close ups with the turrets for the smaller Gatlantean ships.

http://i.imgur.com/kDyXcj4.png

You can also note that the Gatlantean beams are actually composed of 4 smaller ones, matching up with the barrels.

http://i.imgur.com/FO6WgtL.png

Ithekro

2017-03-23, 02:05

Yeah, watching the film on a larger screen I started to notice the multiple beams and thought it was odd. I started going frame by frame in some shots until I found one of the ships actually firing were you could see the quad emitters. While that didn't change much, it justified their ability to break Gamilas reflective armor coating with ease using what I consider to be the same basic weapon type the Pre-Yamato Earth ships were using.

Originally I was going to have the quintuple turret be a combined unit if five linked improved heavy energy cannons that could fire somewhat individually as long at it was in the same general area and line of fire, but that eventually seemed to be too complex and I went with the simpler single ultra heavy battery instead. Also the combined firepower of five of those cannons is almost as good as the Magnflame gun, while the ultra heavy battery is around half that. Why use the flame gun at range every three or four turns when you can shoot them at half that range every turn.

EDIT:

Also UNCF Dreadnought (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10457024) will be out in 1/1000 scale in June.

Comes with Cosmo Tiger II with the turrets (Attack Bomber, or three seat version depending on source material). Also the website has an image of it next to Andromeda....ships is small. As expected, but seeing it is believing. Bigger than a Kongo, but smaller than Yamato.

Looking at the bow, there is just the one wave motion gun, and what one would assume is a splitter of some sort to get the diffusion effect similar to Andromeda. While the splitter is too far forwards, it be interesting if it could retract into the hull and allow the weapon to fire normally without the diffusion effect.

Ithekro

2017-03-23, 04:56

Something interesting. Images from the 1/1000 scale Andromeda kit.

More information, including what appears to be more weapons than what shows on the official site.

(Source if photobucket is being terrible: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10444057/50/1 and http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10444057/50/2)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/Andromeda2202d_zpsxmbzpzpu.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ithekro/media/Andromeda2202d_zpsxmbzpzpu.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/Andromeda2202e_zpsi969gbtv.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ithekro/media/Andromeda2202e_zpsi969gbtv.jpg.html)

Also a list of its fighter compliment:

36 Cosmo Tiger II
2 Type 100 recon craft
2 Cosmo Seagull
and two craft I cannot easily identify. Perhaps the two boats Yamato has that it never used.

Also we are going to need an update of what various officer's collar colors mean. We have Kodai with red, Shima with green, and Andromeda's captain and first officer with blue (the captain had green when he served as Captain of the Kirishima in 2199 under Okita, who had red) Then you have Hijikata and Kodai's brother, who have orange (Kodai's brother's uniform is very different, especially with the red uniform under his off blue-grey coat.)

skaianDestiny

2017-03-23, 10:44

Alright with the Dreadnought confirmed to be a battleship going by the description, it looks like the Earth ships will be a lot smaller than their contemporaries. I wonder how large the rest of the ships will be.

TZoli

2017-03-23, 11:59

By the size changes I would say:
The new cruisers will be around 160-220m
The new destroyers in the 120-160m range
The new frigates in the 100-150m range
If they introduce corvettes I would say they would be smaller than 100m
So Cruisers - Kongo size
Frigates and Destroyers - Murasame size
Corvettes - Isokaze size

skaianDestiny

2017-03-23, 12:25

This was what I was able to translate using Google.

http://i.imgur.com/IBf4TJB.png

EDIT: Also apparently the Andromeda text also makes reference to the Gaiderol, so I'm very interested in the context.

EDIT2: Ithekro, something you might want to know for your UNCN stuff: Translating the UNCN Set 2 Murasame info blurb revealed the Murasame was built and mass produced after 2170, and the Kongou and Murasame were refitted with the bow positron cannon in the latter half of the 2190s as well as anti-beam composite armor.

TZoli

2017-03-23, 15:09

So they originally had round nose similar to the Fuyutsuki eh?
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/destroyer_fuyutsuki.jpg
Or the upgraded Gearing:
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/destroyer_gearing_upg.jpg

Ithekro

2017-03-23, 16:01

Ship definitely has more weapons than they are letting on.

The model also seems to indicate that the Gravity Spread launcher is a turret that can rotate after it pops up.

That the ship has anti-aircraft missiles compensates for the lack of AA guns. Which is more or less how I have the majority of the Gamilas fleet right now, with missile defense systems (MDS) as their primary means of defense on all the smaller ships, but AA batteries including the battleships. If the 16 is the number of tubes, that would be either four standard MDS or two extended MDS (quad launchers or eight cell launchers are the standards used).

It would appear to also have 16 missile launchers (one assumes like Yamato's missiles, rather than something larger).

Having small torpedo launchers might be redundant though.

That the subspace torpedo launchers are two tubes each was not mentioned, but useful.

TZoli

2017-03-23, 16:24

In 3D, Zordar's megaship looks much more frightening!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l03e7ONohw

TZoli

2017-03-23, 16:53

Out of curiosity, does anybody seen drawings or other 3D renders of the ships featured in the 2010 live action Space Battleship Yamato movie?
Like the Kirishima?
Which looks like an actual Gamillas ship than an EDF one?
http://orig03.deviantart.net/1e8b/f/2012/096/7/4/space_battleship_yamato_2010___shot_02_by_jace_let hecus-d4v7mpp.png
http://www.scifi-movies.com/images/contenu/data/0003367/photo-space-battleship-yamato-2010-3.jpg

skaianDestiny

2017-03-23, 17:35

Yeah the art direction for the ships in the movie was a bit odd. The Gamilas ships looked like Covenant ships from Halo, while paint the Kirishima green, add a orange eye, and you basically had a Gamilas ship. The Yukikaze at least looked vaguely like the original design.

TZoli

2017-03-24, 00:51

The Gamilas ships look like in my opinion are like the Garthog ships from Imperium Galactica 1:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yQpZVCs-Ljc/hqdefault.jpg
and like the hive ships from Stargate Atlantis!

Ithekro

2017-03-24, 01:46

For Interplanetary War scenarios I'll likely remove the bow shock cannons, take off a little hull and possibly add more torpedoes (or give the older ships a older, smaller torpedo type with more tubes). For some late war ships and the larger Martian ships, I'll add longer barrels and old type fusion shells (not as good as what Yamato is carrying).

But for the Gamilas War, shock cannons in the bows of most battleships and cruisers. As a style quirk, I have the European designs have two shock cannons in their bows for most of their ships. They tended to have the next size down than their Far Eastern or American counterparts, but two shock cannons are two shock cannons (Andromeda style). American battleships have slower acceleration, but tend to be built thicker and with more weapons. European ships tend to be faster and better armed that Far Eastern ships. Far Eastern ships tend to be easier to build in large numbers while still being relatively fast ships with heavy bow cannons.

The surviving Martian designs are operated by the Lunar Colonies and operate as hunter groups during the war with Gamilas. Their speed and concentrated forward firepower would be the bane of many Gamulas destroyers and high speed cruisers during the early part of the war.

Far Eastern destroyers are among the largest in the UNCN when the war starts. Only the surviving Martian frigates, and the Russian corvettes are larger, though one of the European designs for a destroyer leader is pretty close, as is the American's newer destroyer design, which doesn't enter service until during the war (and later is the basis for the Gearing-class hull style).

The Earth destroyers at the start of the Gamilas War are, basically, crap. The American destroyer fleet is very old and carries mostly 3 inch or 4 inch guns, but a lot of torpedoes. Europeans ships are getting better with more 120mm and 130 mm cannons added to their numbers, but they are all outstripped by the Far East Region's Isokaze and Yukikaze types in size and gun power. The Far East destroyer have larger torpedoes that all but the Russian corvettes, the Martian frigates (which carry battleship sized missiles instead), and the new European destroyer leaders designed to rival the Yukikaze.

I should have enough off miniatures in the near future to actually do some battles using these other Earth ships.

TZoli

2017-03-24, 09:02

Here is the Kongo AA refit:
http://tzoli.deviantart.com/art/Kongo-AA-Refit-EDF-Kurama-668634979

Ithekro, did you guys introduced the EDF New York, Maine, Texas, California, Brazil, Thunderchild and Pandora from this old site (I'm surprised it's still on!) to your tabletop game?
http://darkstar_013310.tripod.com/

Ithekro

2017-03-24, 09:07

I seem to recall that sheets were made for those not too long after they were made. I know I have Brazil, New York, and California. They are all by a Brian Rivers.

They are probably all on the Star Blazers Fleet Battle System Yahoo Group still after all these year.

EDIT:

I've been reworking the sheet for Andromeda as best I can as I get information. Presently I am still treating the gravity spread launchers and lateral guns as the same thing until I can get more information about what they can do.

So, with that I have Andromeda with 4 improved heavy shock cannon batteries. 6 short range heavy shock cannon batteries (equivalent for now, the grav spread and lateral guns), A batteries of 4 rapid fire Type 2 torpedo tubes (fire two torpedoes each per turn, with six torpedoes available per tube), 4 batteries of two Cosmo Torpedoes Type 2 (subspace torpedoes), with four torpedoes per tube. 4 batteries of two Type 1 torpedo tubes, with three torpedoes per tube. 4 batteries of four light missile launchers with three missiles per launcher. 4 batteries of quad missile defense systems (no ammo limit). One space defense battery equivalent. And two Anti-submarine mine system equivalents (the four barreled grenade launchers until I have a better understanding for what it does). And two linked diffusion wave motion guns.

Due to the gravity spread launchers being turreted, this gives Andromeda the ability to have a seven gun broadside at closer ranges. This will undoubtedly change as the weapons get screen time and I come to understand what they do and what they are for. if the grav spread launchers are more like an energy torpedo, that it will behave slight differently in game. Same with the lateral guns and anti-battleship grenade launchers. The rest seem to fit regular descriptions presently.

I will test out what I have on April 2nd. Assuming the Cometine forces survive long enough for her to appear and engage in combat outside using her wave motion guns.

My current problem with the design is that it has too many types of missiles. This can be reduced if I can use the Type 2 and Subspace torpedoes as the same thing in normal space. But that is still at least three types of missile weapons. I could of course replace the small torpedoes or light missiles with each other to simplify it. The only difference between them is range, and in the new show the only real difference is where they launch. Missiles go up or down, torpedoes go forward, aft, port, or starboard. (torpedoes are the horizontal, missiles are the vertical).

Side Note:

In the miniatures scaling, most battleships are in the 2 and a quarter to 4 inches long. The largest ship in Yamato that is not either a fortress type or Zordar's Dreadnought, is Dessler's ship from Yamato III. It would be around a foot long (30 cm) in scale. With the newly resized ships, if the roughly 1/4400th scale is used, Yamato would be around 75mm long and Andromeda would be around 101 mm long. The new Comet heavy battleship would be 118 mm long. If one were to rescale the system based on just the existing Yamato miniature, It think the scale would change to 1/5500th. Andromeda would then be 81 mm long and the Comet heavy battleship only about 95 mm long.

The new sizing to scaling would make Blue Noah (2220) around 575 meters long.

TZoli

2017-03-24, 15:49

The 3rd refit type for the Kongo are done:
http://tzoli.deviantart.com/art/Kongo-Anti-Ship-Refit-EDF-Otranto-668634993

Now next to each other of all the refits I've been asked to do (though the Kongo AA and AS refits were my idea)
http://orig04.deviantart.net/eeb1/f/2017/069/d/5/isokaze_class_refit_edf_shimakaze_by_tzoli-db070d8.png
http://orig00.deviantart.net/ff1f/f/2017/081/0/0/murasame_refit_edf_atlanta_by_tzoli-db12men.png
http://orig08.deviantart.net/e5cc/f/2017/083/d/3/kongo_refit_edf_mogami_by_tzoli-db2360x.png
http://orig01.deviantart.net/66b2/f/2017/083/8/4/kongo_aa_refit_edf_kurama_by_tzoli-db2361v.png
http://orig13.deviantart.net/0fd4/f/2017/083/8/1/kongo_anti_ship_refit_edf_otranto_by_tzoli-db23629.png

I've named the ships as:
EDF Shimakaze
EDF Atlanta
EDF Mogami
EDF Kurama
EDF Otranto

YF19EX

2017-03-25, 06:57

Evening from Tokyo! Just finished Anime Japan 2017 and got to see some great stuff as usual.

Found this in Akihabara. Was originally in the Shinjuku Piccadilly a few weeks ago during the premier. Yodobashi Camera in Akihabara was running promos and this was outside.

http://i.imgur.com/J0BRK47.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FOmDutS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hyLCqYe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yDAEiQN.jpg

I have been unable to locate any limited movie copies that were sold in the theaters or any of the programs etc in the used shops but I was able to get the normal release and a few related items. The hunt continues....
http://i.imgur.com/vVGPA4o.jpg

As for Anime Japan, the Bandai Namco Booth had a live illustration going. This is what I saw getting into the show at 1130 or so:
http://i.imgur.com/jBmoMfm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mNzalHs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kmS9hSi.jpg

Two hours later:
http://i.imgur.com/6sDbCvC.jpg

And around 1600 or so and still going:
http://i.imgur.com/Y2c4rsC.jpg

Unfortunately I did not stay around to see the completion, but it was a privilege to witness his work.

There were no new or additional 2202 announcements that I have heard about, but Diasuke Ono and crew are supposed to be having an open forum at the con tomorrow. I will not be there, but I am sure someone will be having the details later.

Ithekro

2017-03-25, 08:44

I hadn't realized that model was lighted. I thought they had originally painted the windows green and repainted them blue (This is a different one that the one they toured with for Resurrection that had orange windows).

Also Andromeda is huge behind Yamato. I wonder what the white thing was going to be.

My BD for Chapter One of Yamato 2202 should arrive on Monday.

TZoli

2017-03-25, 10:45

Mixed fleet:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62084554

Ithekro

2017-03-25, 12:33

I half expect to see that before the show ends.

YF19EX

2017-03-25, 19:08

Also Andromeda is huge behind Yamato. I wonder what the white thing was going to be.

Yea, I saw he left that patch and wondered as well. Maybe for his signature line? Looking around the internet, it is not the first time he has painted Yamato on a canvas like this. Also the when he was painting it, the guns of the Yamato and Andromeda were turned on each other as well.

Ithekro

2017-03-26, 06:36

The white spot was for Yuunagi. He added that and two other Earth ships above Andromeda by the end.
https://twitter.com/NaoyukiKatoh/status/845876898441846784/photo/1

YF19EX

2017-03-26, 08:49

Ah I wish I could have been their to witness that. Must of finished it today.

TZoli

2017-03-26, 12:51

I've found a very good, highly detailed drawing on the Arcadia:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=23902479
It is huge, like as large as the current Andromeda!

Mechace13

2017-03-26, 14:24

The Nazca.

http://i.imgur.com/MOXbbHx.png

I wonder how large the Gatlantis double-deck carrier will be.

where you got this a link to the place where you got it

Ithekro

2017-03-26, 14:58

I am under the impression he drew it.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-26, 15:31

Yes, that is correct.

August138

2017-03-26, 22:07

I am under the impression he drew it.

He's done this at previous anime events in Japan, and did a wonderful Yamato, during the promotions for SBY: 2199. Here's one in 2013:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2895/33288840560_16fd19bbc4_o.jpg

TZoli

2017-03-27, 11:23

He's done this at previous anime events in Japan, and did a wonderful Yamato, during the promotions for SBY: 2199. Here's one in 2013:

No, he meant skaianDestiny's drawing of the Nazca class carrier pixelart asked by Mechace13

Ithekro

2017-03-27, 11:51

I look forward to the redone scale chart.

TZoli

2017-03-27, 11:52

Found a nice gif about the Battle of Pluto:
http://i.imgur.com/wZ7Wc0O.gif

Ithekro

2017-03-27, 12:29

The rest of the fleet opening fire, and the later shots of the Earth ships continuing to fire made the battle a vast improvement over the 1974 version. Even with the Earth fleet being able to do much of anything, they still fought on.

Almost four years later, these same style of Earth ships will be vastly more effective in combat, and the Gamilas ships not nearly so resilient against enemy fire.

And while the Hero's Hill scene (specifically Yuki's attire) would suggest an earlier time of the year, I notice the characters page gives the people's ages and other sources provide their dates of birth for some of them. The entire crew of Yamato has aged four years since the start of their mission in 2199...except for Yuki, who has aged three years. Yuki's birthday is December 24th. The last one I can find is Shima's on August 15th. So at the very least, the episode have to start after that.

Would still like an in universe date so that things can be tracked later. Though there isn't a specific "X days left" counter for this series that I should recall, other than the expected arrival of the White Comet at Earth maybe.

EDIT:

BD arrived. It was glorious.

August138

2017-03-27, 19:01

No, he meant skaianDestiny's drawing of the Nazca class carrier pixelart asked by Mechace13

Thanks for straightening that out. You guys get confusing, sometimes... :p

And while the Hero's Hill scene (specifically Yuki's attire) would suggest an earlier time of the year, I notice the characters page gives the people's ages and other sources provide their dates of birth for some of them. The entire crew of Yamato has aged four years since the start of their mission in 2199...except for Yuki, who has aged three years. Yuki's birthday is December 24th. The last one I can find is Shima's on August 15th. So at the very least, the episode have to start after that.

Must be Summer or early Fall. In Japan, the end of the summer usually goes into the Typhoon Season during September, when it's still warm. It starts cooling down in October, but really doesn't start getting cold until November. August is probably the hottest month of the Summer, there. So it's got to be somewhere in the Fall.

BD arrived. It was glorious.

Indeed.

Kurisuchian

2017-03-27, 20:00

Indeed.

Good for you two guys, but what about the rest of the fandom?

I mean, at this point, i am really worried about one thing: if there is no english or japanese (or both) subs on the BDs, and if that is the main reason about why nobody has not uploaded a ripped ISO of the BD to share with the fandom to let our fansubers work on the series: how we will enjoy this if nobody keep in mind the rest of guys who cant afford a copy or if they can, they dont understand japanese to know what is going on? they will never watch this then?

Ithekro

2017-03-27, 23:29

Well it just came out a few days ago and the preorders from Amazon.co.jp just started arriving today. It will get out there...almost certainly given the nature of the Internet. Don't know if they is a fansub group left that would care though.

A thing that interests me is the right hand large screen at the UNCF headquarters. It appear to give the attrition rates of the two fleets for the battle, but also presents how many Gatlantis ships were present. That information would be useful. (I will note that the percentages start above 100%) I can't quite make out what the graphs say for the Gatlantis fleet present at the battle.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-28, 04:11

Aaaaand finally here's the Medalusa! So it turns out the Megaluda has additional markings compared to the regular version, so I made a variations image.

http://i.imgur.com/13dTfzH.png
http://i.imgur.com/jU5ICbY.png

And with that, I've completed the definitive size chart for 2199 ships (and some 2202 ones). Warning: pretty big.

http://i.imgur.com/G6svKCr.png

Ithekro

2017-03-28, 05:16

Nice work.

I also finally spotted the one Earth torpedo boat (Isokaze type) in the chapter....just kind of hanging out at the rear of the Earth fleet. Just one. Surrounded by cruisers and battleships. Wonder why she was even there (aside from to have an excuse to sell the model kit set).

bensellers

2017-03-28, 06:07

Ithekro

2017-03-28, 06:42

Unfortunately the software I use to play the BD seems to lock out the ability to make screencaps. Annoying.

August138

2017-03-28, 09:10

Can you put up a screencap?

Well, I have Blu-ray Player, and never gave thought to hooking it up to my desktop to get screenshots, otherwise I'd have a million of 'em. HDMI out to...?

TZoli

2017-03-28, 09:36

skaianDestiny

2017-03-28, 12:09

Unfortunately the software I use to play the BD seems to lock out the ability to make screencaps. Annoying.

Have you tried print screening and pasting into an empty Paint file or directly to Imgur?

Dextro

2017-03-28, 13:18

Have you tried print screening and pasting into an empty Paint file or directly to Imgur?

Not gonna happen. Every official BluRay player will enforce HDCP which is a form of DRM from disc all the way to the bloody screen! It's the same issue that prevented the PS3 from having its gameplay captured in HD easily. There are workarounds that either involve ripping the disk using something like MakeMKV or chinese made HDCP strippers in between the HDMI out and the display.

Yes, BluRay is yet another level of screwing over the paying customer while the pirate gets the better deal.

TZoli

2017-03-28, 14:06

I've yet to see a software which does not allow a basic keyboard command function while running in the background window.
I know some games (mostly older types) would not allow alt-tabbing but I like to see if you run a video player on your PC and hitting prt sc not saves the image into the memory and then hitting ctrl-V in paint to copy paste said screenshot

Ithekro

2017-03-28, 16:37

Print Screen was locked out while the program was even on. I had to do an update of some kind to even watch this BD.

I'll do it the old way...with a camera.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/DSCN4929_zpsn7fvmsgm.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ithekro/media/DSCN4929_zpsn7fvmsgm.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/DSCN4929_zpsn7fvmsgm.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/DSCN4932_zpsqz98liho.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ithekro/media/DSCN4932_zpsqz98liho.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/DSCN4932_zpsqz98liho.jpg

skaianDestiny

2017-03-28, 17:34

Well they managed to use their new reskin at least.

August138

2017-03-28, 22:18

Dammit, I knew the TB-107 (00017-2201) was there! :p

macdawson

2017-03-29, 04:45

Jeez, that's some eagle eyes you have... :D

Funny enough, the only blue colored Murasame class I spotted in the battle is the intrepid, which is a medical ship. All others sport the Grey/White/Orange color scheme. Maybe that torpedo boat serves as defense for the medical ship.

TZoli

2017-03-29, 11:30

I still think the different colours means different fleets

Ithekro

2017-03-29, 12:06

Intrepid does have the advantage of having English on the side that says Medical Corp.

I too don't recall seeing many, if any other cruisers in blue. There might have been one other one other than Intrepid. Their may have been a second destroyer, but I only saw one clearly. Tons of grey and red though.

However the battleships came in two paint jobs, and we saw a lot of both present in the battle. There seemed to be more in blue towards the back of the formation given most around the destroyer were blue rather than grey. But Yuunagi was also back there somewhere by the end of the battle to witness Andromeda's shooting through a moon.

The grey or blue paint jobs are also seen on the Andromeda-class ships, with the four newer ones havng a white stripe on their sides, while Andromeda herself does not.

August138

2017-03-29, 17:19

Maybe that torpedo boat serves as defense for the medical ship.

Although TB-107 didn't warp out with the Intrepid and the Saratoga when they returned to Earth-space... I'm sure we'll learn more as the series rolls out and more documents and books are released.

bensellers

2017-03-29, 19:14

Although TB-107 didn't warp out with the Intrepid and the Saratoga when they returned to Earth-space... I'm sure we'll learn more as the series rolls out and more documents and books are released.
Defiant and Saratoga returned to earth not intrepid IIRC, so it would still make sense for TB-107 to be an escort.

August138

2017-03-30, 07:12

Defiant and Saratoga returned to earth not intrepid IIRC, so it would still make sense for TB-107 to be an escort.

[SLAPS FOREHEAD] D'uh. Thanks for the correction, Ben... :p Yes, it does still make sense. Cheers, Luis!

Ithekro

2017-03-30, 16:53

True. On another note, I found this on Kobayashi's twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5ebZUjVUAQh4Cm.jpg

Would this help for the scale chart?

skaianDestiny

2017-03-30, 19:00

Would this help for the scale chart?
I already have that, however it's not optimal since not only is it in color, it also has lighting/shadows making the details on the lower half harder to make out. The Dreadnought Kobayashi posted earlier was good because it had flat colors. I could try and upscale the black and white side view they had on the yamato2202.net site a while back, but that has its own problems with detail loss.

Ithekro

2017-03-30, 19:18

For later Andromeda-class ships, do you suppose they will repeat the colors on the four main production ships, or will they come out in pairs with different colors per pairing. With Andromeda being the plain one as Earth's Flagship, and doesn't get a carrier counterpart of her own. If Yamato remains unique, than if could be Andromeda's division pair. But if their are more BBY type ships, than Yamato goes with them.

Arizona will be an interesting thing if it comes out based on the Andromeda hull. She is even longer.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-30, 20:23

August138

2017-03-30, 20:26

I'll be honest, the primary reason I want the series to continue past Gatlantis is to see a modernized Arizona, preferably redesigned by Izubuchi himself. Its portrayal in Bolar Wars Extended really endeared me to that ship.

From what I've heard and been told, they're going into uncharted (original) territory after 2202. But, who knows? Anything could happen. But, no matter what they do, it won't stop them from pulling things from every corner of the old canon.

Ithekro

2017-03-30, 21:09

Somehow I think they would try to link it up with Yamato Resurrection, and than continue that film series. Not perfectly with the first of those films, but they can move forward as if it was all Yamato 2199 based to start with. I probably wouldn't take to many changes if they set up the situation right for a Final Yamato style last stand to lead, eventually, into Resurretion.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-31, 03:20

So I was browsing Hobby Search and it looks like they're re-releasing several 2199 1/1000 models in June.

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/search?typ1_c=109&cat=gundam&target=Scale&searchkey=1%2f1000

Ithekro

2017-03-31, 04:23

Just pre-ordered Chapter 2 of Yamato 2202 from Amazon.co.jp. With the yen low, even with shipping the cost comes out to around $64 USD. A lot down from nearly a hundred dollars for Yamato 2199 Chapter 3 when the yen peaked in late 2012.

TZoli

2017-04-01, 09:35

Great frontal view drawing of the Kukulkan:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62192364

Gatlantis ships having Central and South American themed names, than maybe Zordar's Giga battleship might be called Quetzalcoatl?

TZoli

2017-04-01, 10:48

TZoli

2017-04-01, 10:55

For Ithekro:
Space Pirate Capitan Dessler's Andromeda: :)
https://twitter.com/aKsmdHC3eboXWcd/status/847040012101152776

August138

2017-04-01, 16:05

For Ithekro:
Space Pirate Capitan Dessler's Andromeda: :)
https://twitter.com/aKsmdHC3eboXWcd/status/847040012101152776

"Diablo Class: Bloody Mary".

Ithekro

2017-04-01, 16:24

What I find funny is that there was a computer game, some time ago now, were their were random event take would take place across known space. One of those events was piracy. However when the small news report was presented to your faction leader, there was a space ship with a skull and crossbones behind it. That ship was a black/dark grey painted version of Dessler's flagship from Yamato III. I think the game was Master of Orion 3.

EDIT:
It was Master of Orion III, though it was crossed swords, rather than bones.
https://lpix.org/2436648/mtore033.jpg

skaianDestiny

2017-04-01, 18:10

SkaianDestiny, maybe you could use this drawing of the Klakamul?
http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/67/ec/d9320df5911cf8112f8cea584e63ef0d.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3FuOoIUcAErVTd.png:large
It's a bit low resolution but a clean line drawing

Apparently 520m long:
http://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AB%E3%83%A0%E7%B 4%9A%E6%88%A6%E9%97%98%E8%89%A6
http://growler-news.up.n.seesaa.net/growler-news/image/E383A4E3839EE383882202-13.jpg?d=a2

It's okay, but since it's less than 1040 pixels wide I'd have to upscale it, and that loses a lot more detail than the color picture. I'm gonna make an attempt anyway.

EDIT:
It was Master of Orion III, though it was crossed swords, rather than bones.
https://lpix.org/2436648/mtore033.jpg
Looks like the big blue man fell on hard times after Final Yamato.

TZoli

2017-04-02, 04:40

Excellent 3D renderings of the Airone class Frigate:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62218556
and the Gearing class Destroyer:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62218511

August138

2017-04-02, 07:54

From Makoto Kobayashi's Twitter account, markings for the Aldebaran: https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2916/33407575520_1b2b431c1f_o.jpg

TZoli

2017-04-02, 16:20

Interesting idea:
Kongo class Battlecarrier variant:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=31968809
And some nice other designs:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=29845357
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=46438777
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=29859633
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=34353317
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=14990283

bensellers

2017-04-02, 17:27

So... I've been thinking. The Gatlantis Carrier- the Naska Class- appears to be unusually heavily armed. It's got 3 battleship-sized turrets, which eat up a lot of space that could be used to store planes. That's why it's got such a tiny fighter complement. In addition, look at the fighters. They're obviously (to me at least) a space-supremacy design with relatively limited anti-ship capability. Lastly, the carrier carries a very heavy AA battery- we see it put out a volume of fire in Ark of the Stars that might even match Yamato. These three facts make me think that the Gatlantis don't really view fighters as an offensive tool- they mainly use their own fighters to counteract enemy strike craft. That's why they gave the carrier such a heavy AA battery and anti-ship battery- it's designed to serve as a anti-fighter platform and flagship instead of a true carrier. So... That's my two cents. What do you all think?

GundamFan0083

2017-04-03, 04:45

After considerably struggling (and re-doing it numerous times), I got the bridge windows done.

http://pre03.deviantart.net/ec4e/th/pre/f/2017/093/c/5/isokaze_class_update2_by_kodai_okuda-db1xymw.jpg

skaianDestiny

2017-04-04, 22:53

Was inspired by http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/viewtopic.php?t=121462

The Iscandar Protectorate Fleet
Following the end of the Earth-Garmillas War, the new Garmillas leaders decided that Iscandar had been too vulnerable to the duplicitous actions of Supreme Leader Desler. And after nearly losing Garmillas itself, a bit of fanatical fervor overtook some of the military leaders and their subordinates in regards to Iscandar and Queen Starsha, with whom there is a such a wealth of respect and awe that is almost godly. Add to that, the threat of the Gatlantis Empire, and measures were taken to ensure that Iscandar would be protected from any threat - including any from Garmillas itself.

To that end, a fleet of ships were detached from the greater Garmillas forces and were set in orbit of Iscandar, and volunteers were asked to crew them. It would turn out, that they did not have enough ships for all the men and women who volunteered for the honored duty...
While officially under the Army, the IPF has attracted volunteers from all branches of the military. The majority of its ships come from the remains of the Imperial Guard who've chosen to surrender instead of fight the new regime, with a not-insignificant remainder coming from the donations of fleets who could spare ships. Going against tradition, every ship in the IPF has a unique name including the destroyers and cruisers. These names typically come from either old Gamilon noble houses or past prominent Iscandarian figures.

There were concerns that Gamilas's standard ships of the line were inadequate for the protection of its sister planet. However, due to the destruction of a large portion of the military's ships at the Battle of Balun the construction of new designs was deemed impractical. Thus, the idea of merely refitting the lucky ships chosen to guard Iscandar with improved equipment was put in place instead.

http://i.imgur.com/bQzZfnB.png
The Iskila is almost identical to its standard counterpart. The primary difference was increasing the bore of the ventral turret from 280mm to 330mm. While the rate of fire suffered due to greater power consumption, the increased firepower was deemed a worthy trade off. There are 60 Iskilas in the IPF.

http://i.imgur.com/7byaHD7.png
The Iscapia replaced the dorsal positron beam turrets with similar caliber positron cannon turrets as well incorporating an improved engine. The new engine suffered from endurance issues, however as the IPF wasn't expected to leave the home system it wasn't seen as an important downside. There are 15 Iscapias in the IPF.

http://i.imgur.com/bEmUf8m.png
The Isclaia uses a modified version of the standard Meltoria's engine, compressed to fit the shorter stern. Combined with the two positron cannon turrets, the Isclaia's performance is just under the Meltoria. Its promising results has caught the attention of the Army, who see potential as an stopgap improve their Destroias while waiting for the Meltoria to enter greater production. There are 6 Isclaias in the IPF.

http://i.imgur.com/xdUhpPJ.png
The Iscaria is almost unchanged from the Meltoria save for replacing the ventral positron beam turret to a positron cannon turret for a slight downgrade in rate of fire. There is currently only one Iscaria in the IPF, the Galla'heiren, with 3 more under construction.

http://i.imgur.com/c2yCdxc.png
The Iscarol is also almost unchanged from its base design save for an added ventral positron cannon turret. Due to the efficiency of the Haizerad's engine, the Iscarol only suffers a negligible penalty to rate of fire. The Aeber'carin serves as the flagship of the IPF, and was donated by the 18th Torgur Astro Armored Division after their commander, General Delera Irosche, received a Zoelguut-class dreadnought as her replacement flagship.

Ithekro

2017-04-05, 00:46

Interesting concept.

If the winds of plot blow in the same manner as before, those ships will be the line against the Dark Nebula Empire's invasion of Gamilas and Iscandar.

Mechace13

2017-04-05, 09:12

cannon or oc
The Iscandar Protectorate Fleet

Ithekro

2017-04-05, 09:21

Never existed before in Yamato.

skaianDestiny

2017-04-05, 09:41

cannon or oc
The Iscandar Protectorate Fleet

Original content.

skaianDestiny

2017-04-07, 23:48

So I managed upon 2202 chapter 1. I learned they gave the defense satellites the same sound effects as the Medalusa's big turret. Which makes what they're supposed to be kind of confusing.

That's one more nitpick of mine in regards to 2202. Would it kill to be more consistent with the gun sound effects? Like why does the Yuunagi's guns sound distinct when they're just positron shock cannons? The new Murasame has the same positron shock cannon sound effects as the Yamato, so having different turrets isn't the issue. If they gave the defense satellites the amplified light cannon sound effects from 2199 episode 1 then I'd totally buy them utterly failing against the Calakmul (and it would also explain their massive rate of fire too!). As it is it seems they're just using sound effects willynilly.

I dunno, I'm just a real sucker for continuity and stuff. I'm gonna try to be less hyped about future chapters so I don't disappoint myself. :p

Ithekro

2017-04-08, 13:27

It is possible that the sound effects designers were trying to go for different sounds for different weapons, or just trying to keep the guns on Yamato distinct from everyone else. I seem to recall that was one of the complaints about Yamato Resurrection, that the Earth shock cannons didn't sound like Yamato's classic guns.

Ithekro

2017-04-09, 14:47

This is the playtest for the future Convention game around Labor Day. It is done in Star Blazers styling due to the game still being called "Star Blazers Fleet Battle System".

Source to see the pictures: http://www.star-ranger.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=12217
Photobucket seems to have issues here.

(Played on April 2, 2017 to see about changes to the ships and rules to reflect Yamato 2202. Battle based on the opening fleet action of Space Battleship Yamato 2202, Episode 1. At this time, without subtitles, some of the details are vague.)

Garmillacia VIII Operation
(Date currently under speculation, Sometime between the middle of August and early December of 2202)

The Force of the Comet Empire have taken a former Gamilon held construct world in the Milky Way Galaxy. As part of the Alliance between Earth and Gamilon, the Earth Defense Forces have sortied a fleet of battleships and cruisers to assist one of the local Gamilon Task Forces in retaking the planet's base. Plan B (for Barricade) was set and the Earth fleet warped out to meet the Gamilon fleet.

Combined Earth-Gamilon Task Force:

3 Zoelguut-class Fleet Battleships/ Assault Walls
1 Meltoria-class Battlecruiser (hero ship)
6 Destroia-class Heavy Cruisers
12 Kelkapia-class High Speed Cruisers
7 Kongo-class Battleships (1 hero ship: Yuunagi)
12 Marusame-class Cruisers
2 Isokaze-class Torpedo Boats

.

After linking up the fleet proceeded in formation into the planet. Three units were setup in an attempt to break the Cometine Fleet that was present. The Central Force was to be the bait. Three large Zoelguut-class battleships fitted with autonomous energy absorption barricades were formed in a line abreast as a small combined formation of Earth and Gamilon cruisers followed close behind. This formation was to draw the fire of the expected Medaruusa-class battleships and their Magnaflame Guns. The Right Flank was composed of Gamilon cruisers lead by an experienced crew on a Battlecruiser of the Meltoria-class. The Left Flank was composed of Earth battleships and cruisers lead by the Kongo-class battleship Yuunagi under the command of Lieutenant Wildstar.

What they were met with was a large gathering of Comet Empire warships in front of their held complex.

3 Medaruusa-class Heavy Battleships
4 Nazca-class High Speed Carriers (two hero ships on flanks)
10 Lascaux-class Cruisers
24 Kukulkan-class Destroyers

..

They had no apparent formation, just a mass of warships.

The fleets soon closed to firing range....

Turn One:

.

The Earth and Gamilon flanking forces deployed for better weapons coverage while the Comet Empire's right flank accelerated towards the Earth Forces. The rest of the Comet Fleet creeped forward as they started firing long range shots at the Gamilon ships. No hits were scored. Gamilon commander realizes that the walls work both ways and cannot fire at the enemy warships from his own Fleet Battleships even though he is within long range of a few targets

Turn Two:

..

As the ranges closed the Gamilon commander staggers his battleships to allow them to fire their main batteries towards the closing Comet Empire forced on the left flank. The Wildstar leading his formation directly at the Cometine Forces exchanging heavy fire as the Cometine destroyers let loose with Quantum Torpedoes This exchange destroys three Kongo-class battleships, but they manage to take out a cruiser and several destroyers with their bow shock cannons. The Gamilon commanders take out a group of destroyer in front of their right flank with the loss of one heavy cruiser and one high speed cruiser. However one of the Medaruusa-class opens up on the pair Earth battleships that raced out from behind the walls with the Magnaflame Gun, vaporizing both of them.

....

Turn Three:

..

The fleet get extremely close together now as the Cometine carriers start to launch fighters. Several swarming one of the Fleet Battleships. Wildstar dives the remaining Earth battleships through the center of the Gamilon formation to bolster the fight against the enemy battleships while a few Earth cruisers and the torpedo boats head to confront one of the Cometine carriers and its escorts. Their is a truly massive missile strike by the combined Earth and Gamilon forces as they attempt to clear out as many nearby cruisers and destroyers as possible. Destroying five cruisers. The Cometine response is to flank the Gamilon battleships and have their remaining cruiser target the "blue" fleet battleship destroying it. Earth cruisers clear out the majority of the problem escorts on the left flank with shock cannons, leaving the carrier on that flank without effective escort. The massed Cometine force assaulting the Gamilon center takes out two heavy cruisers, but lose an additional cruiser and five destroyers, thinning the front line.

...

Turn Four:

...

The Earth cruisers swarmed a Medaruusa at point blank range, firing torpedoes or shock cannons into it destroyed the vessel. The torpedo boats attack an enemy carrier alone, looking one to enemy fire, but taking out some of its freshly launched fighters. The Gamilon's Right flank commander swarmed the other two Medaruusa-class battleships and inflict heavy damage on them for the loss of a few high speed cruisers. However the remaining Comet Empire destroyers that flank the "red" battleship fire quantum torpedoes or pulse cannons into it causing it to explode. The Earth and Gamilon forces manage to clear out most of the nearby Cometine cruisers and destroyers, preparing to rally with the remaining Gamilon battleship to press the attack on the few Cometine ships when both enemy battleships fire their Magnaflame guns. The first wipes out a pair of high speed cruisers, but the second hits the explosed flank of the "grey" fleet battleship, the "red" battleship's wall no longer providing cover. The last of the Gamilon battleships explode, leaving a sense of dread.

However, Plan A is called in. A for Andromeda.
.

A massive pair of blue energy blasts tear though a local moon and explode within the Gamilon's right flanking cruisers. But the released energy misses every single one of the Gamilon ships...like it knew exactly were each of them was. The energy vaporized all the local Cometine fighters and wrecks on the of battleships. The other explodes, leaving a crippled enemy battleship surrounded by Gamilon cruisers, with a brand new Earth Battleship closing on its position.

But Earth is not the only one with a new toy.

The game was called here as some players had a long trip home.

Losses:

Earth-Gamilon:

3 Zoelguut-class Fleet Battleships/ Assault Walls - destroyed
3 Destroia-class Heavy Cruisers - destroyed
1 Destroia-class Heavy Cruiser - lightly damaged
6 Kelkapia-class High Speed Cruisers - destroyed
5 Kongo-class Battleships - destroyed
1 Kongo-class Battleship - heavily damaged (Yuunagi)
1 Kongo-class Battleship - moderately damaged
6 Marusame-class Cruisers - destroyed
1 Marusame-class Cruiser - heavily damaged
2 Marusame-class Cruiser - moderately damaged
1 Isokaze-class Torpedo Boat - destroyed

Comet Empire:

2 Medaruusa-class Heavy Battleships - destroyed
1 Medaruusa-class Heavy Battleship - moderately damaged
2 Nazca-class High Speed Carriers - moderately damaged (two hero ships on flanks)
8 Lascaux-class Cruisers - destroyed
21 Kukulkan-class Destroyers -destroyed
2 Kukulkan-class Destroys - lightly damaged

The general consensus was that the Comet Empire forces needed to have one less Medaruusa. Otherwise the game went fairly smoothly. The two reserve battleship arrived at the same time, as the conditions for them to arrive was the loss of two Heavy Battleships. Andromeda was to enter with a blast of her wave motion guns from off table at a group of Comet ships. The best pack happened to be the two Medaruusa battleships. The reserve Cometine heavy battleship the Calakumul-class Heavy Battleship, was to enter the following turn, really to fire its special weapon as well once it could get into range.

skaianDestiny

2017-04-09, 15:59

Nice battle!

EDIT: Also something you might like to know: Was rewatching Ark of the Stars and I noticed that a Kukulkan fired its quantum torpedoes to intercept some of Yamato's torpedoes. One hit but the other missed, and the rest of the torpedoes destroyed the Kukulkan.

Ithekro

2017-04-09, 19:43

The Cometine player running the left Comet flank did use a few Quantums in defense, but they just aren't very good at knocking out missile. That was easy in the game, and the amount of defenses a Cometine ship has was better, and really didn't need to "waste" a valuable offensive weapon like that against a missile. The Quantum Torpedoes are a very useful anti-ship tool for the lighter destroyers and cruisers. Later in the game, they have fired their quantums already, or were hit by overwhelming numbers of missiles, which the Gamilon warships can do.

I have Quantum Torpedoes as a rechargeable energy torpedo that fires in the missile phase, which is before direct fire weapons. Unlike normal missile weapons, these cannot be intercepted or destroyed by AA fire or other missiles. These torpedoes have narrow fire arcs so they are difficult to get lined up with an enemy ship to use (all other missile weapons have a 360, or more accurately, a 720 degree arc of fire). But the quantum torpedoes are very powerful. As powerful or more so than a shock cannon from Yamato. Most other missiles are relatively low damage weapons that do a fixed amount of damage equal to the weakest light energy weapons at long range. I have the destroyers have to recharge them for two full turns before they can fire again, while the cruisers require a full turn of recharging to fire again. The carriers and battleship do not require recharging and can use the quantum torpedoes every turn if they can get a target in their sights.

EDIT:

Setup notes:

I started by setting up the Comet Empire formation with roughly ten hexes from one corner of the mats (I use 3 inch hexes so that while the game can still be played with two mats on a 6 foot by 8 foot table, the action starts pretty quickly. At least compared with using 1 inch hexes that are the usual standard for gaming). Make sure there is at least two to three hexes to any mat edge from the ships closest to the edge...you will potently need that space later. I placed their units into three reasonable formations, with there large battleships in the center with escorting two cruisers and six destroyers along with two carriers behind them, and then placed the two hero carrier with an escorting surround of four cruisers and nine destroyers each on the flanks separated from the center group with two to three hexes between the groups.

Afterward, I took a D6 and D12 and started rolling based on the game's warp reemergence table, minus the need to roll for ship orientation. First I would roll the D6. If I rolled a One, the ship or group of destroyers would remain where I placed them. If I roll a Two through Four, I would roll the D6 again, placing the ship in one of the six hexes immediately surrounding the hex I originally placed it in (One being immediately ahead of the ship and then continuing clockwise from there). If I rolled a Five or Six on the first roll, I would then roll the D12, them move the ship to one of the twelve hexes that are two away from the original starting location, with One being two hexes ahead of the original location and moving clockwise from there. This is how the Comet Empire's fleet looked like a mass of ships rather than a formation.

I then setup the Gamilon and Earth Forces within 30 hexes, but outside of 24 hexes distance of the nearest Medaruusa-class battleship (table space allowing of course). The Earth and Gamilon forces were in formation with the Center holding the three Fleet Battleship and their walls in a line abreast. Two heavy cruisers and their four High Speed Crusier escort immediately behind the center Battleship, followed by two Earth battleships, four Earth cruisers and the two torpedo boats. On the Left flank was Yuunagi and four Kongo-class battleships escorted by eight Marusame-class cruisers. On the Right flank, mirroring the Earth formation was the Gamilon battlecruiser, four heavy cruiser and their eight high speed cruiser escorts.

The Earth-Gamilon Fleet started at a speed of three. The Cometine Fleet was stationary at the beginning of the game. None has any special power accumulated.

The goals of the two sides were as follows: Destroy over half of the enemy fleet and all Heavy Battleships (including the reserve battleship).

The Reserve battleship was designed to come in on or after the turn the side lost its second Heavy Battleship. Andromeda was to announce its presence via firing its double wave motion gun from off table into a pack of Comet Empire ships. Due to how the episode presented itself, even if there were friendly vessels in the same hex as the enemy, Andromeda's wave motion gun would not touch friendlies, only target enemy ships and planes. Andromeda would have been hidden from Cometine radar by being behind a moon the entire battle, then firing through the moon to hit the Comet Fleet. The reserve Cometine Heavy Battleship would enter the table from behind the Comet Fleet, having not been noticed before as it was disguised as an asteroid. It would have enough power to let loose with its own ring special weapon as soon as it got within range of enemy ships. Its range is very short though. Five hexes will definitely hit the targets and the spread could go out to six, even seven hexes out from the firing battleship, but only in the cone right in front of the vessel.

The Gamilon walls were made of sheet plastic. They are unfinished as they need a back, a design for the front, and a method of getting them to stand freely. They block all fire coming from the front of the battleship (45 degree arc, roughly) and it works both ways for energy weapons. Gamilon ship can fire their missiles around the walls. I have the walls currently setup to absorb 72 points of damage with no ill effect from one weapon. This basically means it has to be hit by a special weapon to even be damaged. After the 72 point limit, the wall itself takes 36 point of damage to destroy. Once that is destroyed, it will cause some potential debris damage to the Gamilon battleship, and any remaining energy from the enemy weapon fired will hit the Gamilon battleship's hull as normal. Special weapons fire (but not other weapons fire) is treated as accumulative in that turn against the wall and are likely going to be the only thing to take one down. The Magnaflame Gun hits during this game didn't strike for over 69 points of damage each (maximum possible is 90 point of damage). One hit would have been absorded completely by the wall had it been hit, doing no damage. Two firing together would destroy the wall with no question, as minimum damage from a Magnaflame Gun is 54 points of damage. Two hitting at once would be more than the 108 point the wall can take before exploding. One single Mangaflame Gun hitting at maximum of 90 would not destroy the wall, but it would damage it. A second hit at full would destroy it, but the only sure way is to hit with two Magnaflame guns at once.

In theory a wave motion gun should just crack the wall with ease, but for game purposes they and the Magnaflame guns are treated as the same...more or less. Because of how the wall was designed (to combat Comet Empire ships) Yamato's wave motion gun would do no damage against this wall...at all. It would take multiple Earth ships to take out said wall with wave motion guns...save for the likes of Andromeda, who's weapon would likely destroy or at least damage the wall with one hit. With is without taking into account the spread effect, which might just bypass the wall all together for all Earth wave motion guns, except for Yamato.

skaianDestiny

2017-04-10, 11:51

Updated the Andromeda's line art to account for the missing panel lines in the model's version.

http://i.imgur.com/lGmuA5V.png

Also messed around with the Andromeda and Dreadnought in Final Yamato-era EDF colors. Surprisingly the 2202 color palette already leads itself well to the job.

http://i.imgur.com/LHBVvBs.png

skaianDestiny

2017-04-12, 00:07

I decided to have a go at "modernizing" the EDF ships from Final Yamato. Here's the battleship and destroyer in 2202 colors, Blue Noah colors, and their original colors.

http://i.imgur.com/o1EdTRm.png

My modifications to the design are as follows:

Battleship
—Length of 310 meters
—Added more panel lines and such
—Added more detail to the turrets
—Made the bulge under the forward turret be anti-ship grenade launchers found on the 2202 Dreadnought and Andromeda

Destroyer
—Length of 180 meters
—More panel lines
—Made the bulge have 4 missile launchers
—Increased the size of the superstructure so it wasn't too small to hold people
—You can't really see it from the side, but I widened the rear hanger part so it was wide enough to hold smallcraft

I couldn't really do the battlecruiser since I couldn't find any good detailed side views.

Ithekro

2017-04-12, 03:42

The destroyer might look better painted like the Marusame's in Yamato 2202. The bottom is already there, just the top and nose cone need changing.

TZoli

2017-04-12, 12:08

The Destroyer is the Fuyustuki and here is the cruiser of that design series:
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/cruiser_unknown.jpg

Mechace13

2017-04-12, 12:08

Ithekro

2017-04-12, 14:02

These ships (http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/yamato_data.php?filter=EdfCapital) did not get class names that I am aware of. They were identified as "New Battleship (http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/battleship_unknown.jpg)", "New Battlecruiser (http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/cruiser_unknown.jpg)", and "New Destroyer (http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/destroyer_fuyutsuki.jpg)" from the film, Final Yamato. Some of the "New Destroyers" had names and hull numbers with Fuyutsuki (number 333) being one of them (http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig05/10052037a2.jpg).

What little we know about them (http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/fydvd2/) is from the Roman Albums and the DVD for the film.

TZoli

2017-04-12, 15:05

SkaianDestiny, will you draw the Unmanned Automatic warships as well?

skaianDestiny

2017-04-12, 15:16

I guess I'll give it a shot.

skaianDestiny

2017-04-12, 22:36

http://i.imgur.com/Wnwn8Vi.png

Completed the battlecruiser. Gave it 4 additional torpedo tubes under the second turret and 10 missile launchers under those. I made the length 245 meters.

Did we ever see it in action? I only recall the battleship and the destroyer.

Ithekro

2017-04-12, 22:40

When I was helping someone try to come up with at least prototype WDF sheets to game in the time of Final Yamato we gave them some class names:

New Battleship = Sol-class
New Battlecruiser = Nebula-class
New Destroyer = Illustrious-class

I suppose the idea was that the battleships would be named after stars at the least. The battlecruisers, I'm not sure, astronomical phenomena? The destroyers were a hybrid ship as they had a large hanger in the rear, through in retrospect, probably not much more so than Yamato 2199's Gamilas battlecruiser.

The more integrated engines speak a little of combining tech with Gamilas as well as invoke the My Youth In Arcadia and Endless Orbit SSX series version of the battleship Deathshadow.

Ithekro

2017-04-15, 01:26

The Chapter Two cover as well as the first images from the next set of episode in on the mine Yamato 2202 sight
http://yamato2202.net/

Cover Art for Chapter Two

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/Yamato2202e_zpsmlbr9lpf.jpg

Also they appear to be making a three meter long Andromeda for the theater tour circuit.

TZoli

2017-04-16, 04:02

Now a force of 9 ships with 10 wave motion cannons, now that is intimidating!

Ithekro

2017-04-16, 04:30

There is another shot of all five Andromeda and seven Dreadnaughts in front of Jupiter.

12 ships with 17 wave motion guns.

As well as the ability to launch over will over 300, and more likely around 500-600+ Cosmo Tiger IIs.
(Two carriers with 180 each, plus three battleships with 36 each, plus an unknown number for each of the smaller battleships, that do have a clearly visible hanger deck in the style of Yamato)

It should be noted that all the Dreadnaughts appear to be painted the same. Perhaps they are the first batch and assigned to one of the Andromeda-class at its fleet. A later batch might have the Blue paint job and be assigned to the other Apollo Norm's group. Or they are more like the Marusame-class ships and mostly painted in one style aside from a few one off ships assigned to special tasks.

As it is you have Andromeda herself, then two pairs of Andromeda painted to match each other. The Dreadnaughts so far match the grey-white pair of Andromeda-class ships or Andromeda herself, but so far none match the Blue-white pair (which are ships AAA-02 and AAA-03 oddly enough).

The old concept of a battleship or cruiser squadron assigned to a flagship would be between six and twelve ships, with eight being the typical average for battleships.

skaianDestiny

2017-04-16, 15:36

Can't wait for the lesser EDF ships! Mainly cause I want to see their new sizes.

Had a go at a Final Yamato-era refit of the Dreadnought-class (I refuse to call it the Dreadnaut). Main 2 differences are the "updated" turrets and changing the engine to the newer EDF aesthetic.

http://i.imgur.com/J9Orr2u.png

skaianDestiny

2017-04-18, 23:38

Amiami tweeted a new Cosmo Fleet Special model: A 2202 Yamato with asteroid ring.
https://twitter.com/amiamihobbynews/status/854181833528852480

Ithekro

2017-04-19, 01:22

Well that is interesting.

Also means we'll be getting the asteroid ring scene again at some point (probably in Chapter 2, even though the Megahouse version is suppose to come out in September). That was one of those things in the original series that they didn't recreate for Yamato 2199, but in most of the films tried to recreate a scene with Yamato going through a ring of rocks or ice at some point. It became an iconic shot (it was basically the first image in the Star Blazers opening), and the ring was used in the second series.

With the Gatlantis heavy battleship using some sort of ring weapon system and being hidden in rock, I suppose that will provide Sanada with the inspiration for the asteroid ring.

macdawson

2017-04-19, 04:16

Given Yamato only takes off by episode 4, it's doubtful the ring will appear in Chapter 2. If they use it in a similar fashion to that seen in Yamato 2, it will happen when they confront Torbuk on approach to Telezart.

Ithekro

2017-04-19, 05:07

Unless they use it as a defense against Andromeda and the Fleet as they come to Jupiter out of the asteroid belt?

Or at Planet 11 around the Kuipler Belt/Oort Cloud while picking up Sato.

skaianDestiny

2017-04-23, 20:25

Koabayashi tweeted a picture of Yamato surrounded by asteroids.

http://i.imgur.com/uJnpdIi.jpg
https://twitter.com/makomako713/status/856302274758320129

So looks like the asteroid ring defense is definitely making a comeback in 2202. It seems a bit redundant and less powerful to me with the wave motion shield, but more defensive options isn't bad.

Ithekro

2017-04-24, 01:40

The question will be context. Fight with Gatlantis ships or Earth ships?

bensellers

2017-04-24, 05:53

Given the art has Yamato going in with all guns blazing, I'm betting Gatlantis.

Ithekro

2017-04-24, 06:11

Hope so. Can't well afford to have the new shiny Earth Defense Forces humiliated by the old rust bucket now can they? :)

(They have shields, so they'd survive a pounding)

My guess is Yamato coming out of the Oort Cloud to engage the enemy near Planet XI (sometimes called Brumas) in Episode Six.

durack

2017-04-24, 22:07

Ithekro

2017-04-24, 22:32

The first BD for Chapter One is already out (came out starting March 24th). Still in stock at places like Amazon Japan for 25% off. The Chapter Two BD will be out near the end of July.

There are no subtitles at this time, in any language. Not even Japanese closed captioning.

macdawson

2017-04-25, 09:30

So, when will the first Japanese blu ray be out?
I think for Yamato I will just give up on any US release and just get the original blu rays.

Also feel like an idiot for buying US blu rays for the first series and then having to buy Japanese blu rays. Now I have this hybrid collection and on one hand it bugs me, on the other hand not sure I want to re-buy the first half so that I have a complete Japanese set.

Wanna feel even worse?

The Italian Blu-Rays came out later, granted, but not only did they come out in only 2 sets of 3 discs, for a total of about 80€ (39.99€ each), they also have a few nice extras (Clean OP and ED, a 36 page booklets in each set and a damned nice package), they're also in both original language (with Italian subtitles) and ITALIAN DUBBED.

Yep, Dynit dubbed the whole series while Voyager US couldn't be bothered. Hell they didn't even finish publishing the damned thing. Though I have almost the entire run of the Japanese release (and almost all with the storyboard booklets), I might just get the first set just to see how good it is. Italian dub was how I was introduced to New Voyage, back in the 90's with a Yamato Video VHS tape. And they're quite good.

Zaku1971

2017-04-26, 13:57

If anyone is interested, and if you are in Italy, you can LEGALLY watch Yamato 2202 on VVVID for free.

https://www.vvvvid.it/#!show/655/star-blazers-2202

I repeat, this is a legit Italian streaming site. :)

Ithekro

2017-04-26, 16:17

At least that is a start to it getting out there.

TZoli

2017-04-27, 11:12

bensellers

2017-04-27, 14:32

Only problem is, it is region coded so only Italians could watch it!
Might I suggest VPN?

Dextro

2017-04-27, 15:00

Might I suggest VPN?

Tunnelbear works wonders :)

Ithekro

2017-04-27, 15:27

I am just hoping for more news (trailer) for Chapter Two. While I want more of Yamato's story (we'll get that for sure) I really want more of the Earth fleet as we go forward. Plus the state of the Gamilas Empire, as well has perhaps its scope. Just how big is this empire? It seems to have some substantial territory even in the Milky Way if they are conducting joint operations with the single system power that is Earth to retake a floating continent. That the Earth fleet was as large as some of the Gamilas fleets we have seen before (minus the large capital ships), and with the Andromeda-class being added, Earth, for a minor power, has a substantial amount of firepower with their Iscandarian tech engines, and now revamped wave motion guns.

Also the one remaining open question without an answer.....Dessler.

Ithekro

2017-04-28, 04:21

Here we go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NShF3U4d2uw

That is a LOT of Dreadnoughts.

One of the Gamilas kids has a toy Yamato.

bensellers

2017-04-28, 07:26

Holy crap I saw a Czvarke in there. Could that mean....Melda is back? Also wow Planet XI looks a lot different from the original. Did humans reverse engineer the Cosmo reverse system?

Battleforce1

2017-04-28, 09:21

Holy crap I saw a Czvarke in there. Could that mean....Melda is back? Also wow Planet XI looks a lot different from the original. Did humans reverse engineer the Cosmo reverse system?No, if you look earlier at the 0:13 mark, you see Kiman in the Yamato Port hangar bay with a white Czvarke behind him, though I hope we see Melda again. Also the Cosmo Reverse System works by acting on an individual's memories, which makes such a system impossible for the use of colonisation and terraforming, because how do you act on memories that don't exist. What interest's me is the fact that Kodai isn't wearing his Flag Officer's uniform, so who's the captain.

bensellers

2017-04-28, 14:20

Looking closely it looks like they spelled Dreadnought right this time and I made out the name of one other Dreadnought-class: UNCF Devastation. And actually, we see Kiman's Czvarke 3 times in the trailer, once in formation with a pair of CTIIs. And if you look closely, the CTI spins around its cockpit like a B-wing from Star Wars.
EDIT: also, couple of fleet counts- at least 12 Dreadnoughts, and at least 4 carriers in that Gatlantis fleet

Ithekro

2017-04-28, 14:30

Yamato's crew always tended to wear their usual uniforms, where were different from standard UN uniforms. Aside from Okita, they only wore the coats at formal occasions, such as meeting Starsha on Iscandar. Kodai didn't start to wear his coat of office until Yamato III after being officially promoted to commanding officer of Yamato (Captain). We didn't see Hijikata in the trailer, but he is on the cover on the BD. So will he become Yamato's captain/flag officer like in the older film, or will be take command of the Fleet and make sure they don't blow Yamato up. The former is looking more likely given that Captain Yamanami seems to be giving the orders from Andromeda to the fleet. (Scenes like that make the Be Forever, Yamato situation with Admiral Yamanami taking over Yamato more interesting in concept)

We don't know what Planet 11 is anymore. Before it was a planet discovered very late (in the 20th century, but we can make that the 21st now), with a lot of ancient ruins and minerals on it. But only the Marine base was seen to protect the occasional archeological digs and mining operations. Neither seemed to be present when the planet was attacked. Now there appears to be a mixed race colony with both human and Gamilas civilians present. There is a dome, so no telling what the atmosphere is like. It should be well out of any reasonable distance to get heat from Sol. And I doubt this is the Bolar Wars era Alpha colony (Alpha Centauri). Gamilas tech is superior to human tech, even though Earth was terraforming Mars, Gamilas has been Gamilforming for a long time and was going to do so to Earth not too long ago.

Kiman is said in his bio that he's a pilot. So that white fighter is his. However Yamato have many bays. There is plenty of room for a red Czvarke to be added later. However, Melda should be back in the Imperial Core regions, not out in the allied Earth area.

I do wonder if they have any Cosmo Zeros left in the fleet?

And interesting question: Are the Dreadnoughts the standard battleship if the fleet, with the Andromeda-class being fleet flagships? Or are the new ships cruisers and the Andromeda are the battleships, making Yamato in a grey area between the two classifications...meaning if the Earth battleships get bigger, Yamato might eventually be reclassified as Space Cruiser Yamato....did we just come full circle?

August138

2017-04-29, 05:01

What interest's me is the fact that Kodai isn't wearing his Flag Officer's uniform, so who's the captain.

My money is on Hijikata.

Ithekro

2017-04-29, 05:33

The thing is, the majority of his plot points can be covered for both older versions this time around. Commanding Yamato on the way to Telezart and back. Followed by taking over command of the Fleet due to the emergency of Gatlantis itself closing in on the Sol System. He takes Andromeda, handing over Yamato to Kodai for a special mission (carrier ops, since Yamato will have the majority of the top pilots, who are also the instructors of the rest of the fleet's carrier qualified pilots). This has an added benefit. If Captain Yamanami gets taken off Andromeda, he can survive and come back later.

Ithekro

2017-04-29, 13:20

What is the theory on how Earth is building so many ships so quickly? There is this weird looking station that seem to be parked in some form of subspace. Does the region operate at a different rate of speed (Kodai and Kiman are wearing some huge metal suit in there)? So that months of construction takes only a few days? Is it automated, or do people work there and age rapidly verse outside life? Is the rift or whatever the cause of the "Planet Bomb" sickness leftover after the war to people that were born after Yamato returned? Or is the station just a massive 3D printer that prints out starships like they were model kits?

ars89

2017-04-29, 20:13

There are no subtitles at this time, in any language. Not even Japanese closed captioning.

Was it ever stated why they went in this direction instead of like the first series?

Surprised that not even Japanese closed captions are available.

skaianDestiny

2017-04-29, 20:23

Was it ever stated why they went in this direction instead of like the first series?

Surprised that not even Japanese closed captions are available.
Supposedly so they can do a Western release without losing money from imports, but seeing as they had years to get a licensing deal and they've apparently done fuck all it's just a giant middle finger to non-Japanese fans right now.

Ithekro

2017-05-03, 22:02

Speculation question: For the Dreadnoughts, do you think the piece of hull in the middle of their wave motion gun gate is a wave motion shielded splitter of sorts? So that they can achieve the effect of Andromeda's two wave motion guns with a single barrel?

The question than becomes, can they adjust it so it can fire both the like Andromeda's flower of death, and Yamato's single beam of destruction?

skaianDestiny

2017-05-04, 02:10

TZoli

2017-05-04, 09:40

GundamFan0083

2017-05-04, 13:54

I remain by my previous opinion that the Wave Motion Tachyon Beam has a minimum safety distance before becoming destructive. Indeed the main beam emerges from the round gate after opening but you can see the particles concentrating in front of the ship while "energizing".
Similar how the flame of a fire is the hottest at the edges (where it is most yellow) and "coldest" in the centre.
http://www.kristallikov.net/Page52/p52_plamya.JPG
http://cdn-live.warthunder.com/uploads/b1/0d3198a3af2ad7cffaf6e0ab31f7758a12721f/tumblr_inline_nx7tok8dHE1sp8vp8_500.gif

https://youtu.be/vV0x4XHdbyc?t=158

I agree.
That was always my take on it as well, that the beam is only formed in front of the gate and the firing gate acts as a sort of particle-beam condensing unit (hence the reason for the "rifling" in the gate). The actual beam never touches the ship and the only portion of the beam that does have any effect is the "back-blast" of residual graviton particles used to form the beam, not the tachyon beam itself.

Ithekro

2017-05-08, 14:53

That might explain it. We will see what they do in a few months.

The rumored English subtitles....exist (that is all I will say)

bensellers

2017-05-08, 17:12

That might explain it. We will see what they do in a few months.

The rumored English subtitles....exist (that is all I will say)

Yes they are up on the usual places. One thing I noticed was that it said Saratoga and Defiant suffered heavy damage forcing their return, which was strange given they looked completely undamaged. An animation error?

Ithekro

2017-05-08, 17:26

Maybe internal stress damage. They could have tried some of the fancy maneuvers in combat and broke something when their internal gravity systems didn't compensate enough.

I still don't see any real suggestion that the Earth ships have shields, though I'm told they have them, just no where near as powerful as those used on Yamato or Andromeda.

TZoli

2017-05-09, 09:31

Aren't Saratoga and Defiant were the two ships which were near Earth when the Klakamul battleship appeared out of warp and tossed over one of it?

Ithekro

2017-05-09, 14:07

Blaat

2017-05-09, 14:38

skaianDestiny

2017-05-09, 14:50

Really enjoyed the first two episodes, the only complaints I had was some bad exposition and the timeskip seems way too short: Earth looks like Earth again instead of Mars, Earth has several new battleships and of course Yamato is now considered outdated all of that in three short years...
That was the point of the Cosmo Reverse System: to restore Earth in such a short time period.

As for the second part, that will be answered in the next chapter...

Ithekro

2017-05-09, 15:26

To be fair, it is more believable than the original version.

The original take on this story takes place one year after Yamato returns to Earth. The Gamilas Empire has been basically destroyed. Earth has more or less been restored, but like in Yamato 2202, there are places were the craters can be seen, and the life has not quite grabbed hold. Earth's defense forces have all new ships (no old designs), and while there is only one finished Andromeda in that version, there are dozens of battleship that are all comparable to Yamato, and cruisers, destroyer, and frigates everywhere in large numbers. All built in less than nine months. Yamato itself was either almost a museum ship, or had been on backwater patrol for the last year and was hastily refit in a few days before the take off again (depending on if it was the film or the TV series)

At least this time, it has been three years since Yamato returned. The Gamilas Empire is still a viable power and is likely aiding in Earth's restoration (possibly as penance to Starsha for what they did). Earth has rebuilt a huge number of redesigned older ships for the main fleet up to the present day, with the new wave motion gun equipped ships just now coming off the assembly line. How they are being built so fast will be addressed this time in the story. Aid from Gamilas is entirely on the table. Earth has at least partially rebuilt. There are areas we see Yuki driving through that are still not quite fully restored. There is also a lot of country side. It seems the humans rebuilt the large cities more or less over the underground cities, so this is likely the case planet wide. Earth has less than a third of the previous population that was on it prior to the Gamilas arrival. How many people that is is not known, as the Earth population might include that of the Lunar Colony as well as the remains of the Mars Colony, and other outposts prior to 2191 start of the war. Assuming UN estimates of "medium fertility" by 2150 the Earth's population might be around 10 - 11 billion. So even "less than a third" would be likely over 3 billion people, which this planet did not have until 1959. So as a species, we would be fine in that scenario.

TZoli

2017-05-09, 16:14

They were the two cruisers that left the battle just after Andromeda entered the area. They called HQ reported that they had sustained damage and requested permission to warp back as close to Earth as possible. They warped, followed by the enemy heavy battleship reigniting its engines to give chase.

They came out of warp near the Moon, followed closely by the enemy battleship.

Ahh I see!
I thought they damaged because they overused their wave motion engines to get to Earth before the Klakamul battleship.
I think in warp space, time flows differently, remember when Shinohara Hiroki was able to observe and follow in warp space the Gamillas warships which were travelling to the fleet review?

By the way, some pixiv founds of SBY Warships:
Gearing class:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=37813908
Königsberg class:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=45676020
Airone class:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=39914361
The old Megaluda (Medaruusa in the old series)
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=45075685
Prince of Wales class:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=41959939
I think this is the Kiev class:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62523140
The Gatlantean double deck carrier (Vengeful in the old series)
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=56922789
The Fuyutsuki:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=38646831
Modfied Lexington:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=32864411
Klakamul class (Bringer Of Victory in the old series)
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=57458512
Hagel class (translated as Super mass destroyer)
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=47973631
Lagendra class of the Bolar Federation (Legend class?)
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62727620

Size chart of the original series ships:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=42623777

Ithekro

2017-05-09, 18:31

There seem to be different kinds of warp. What Shinohara was in was some sort of subspace that was linked by the ancient gate network. Warping itself seems to be different from that, and more instantaneous (usually), but the gate network allowed for longer distances to be covered as the warp system seems to have range limits, even for the Gamilas.

Gatlantis ships were seen using something that seemed slightly different from the Gamilas or Iscandarian tech warp...more like the gate network exit effect. But in Yamato 2202, the effect was almost the same...but not quite.

Ithekro

2017-05-10, 14:56

On a side note, I wonder how of even if the current production team/rights holder, will deal with the ideas of the Dark Nebula, the Bolar, and the Dinguil. They could ignore them of course. Or combine them into a proto-SUS like interstellar alliance that is fighting the Gamilas with Earth getting caught in the middle. Or give each their own stories like before.

The Bolar Federation story can still work fairly easily given that the Gamilas Empire is still around. The only question mark is Dessler. It wouldn't be all that surprising if the Gamilas were already fighting the Bolar Federation like they have been fighting Gatlantis for a long time now.

The Dark Nebula Empire could still work, but it would be drastic to follow its usual story, given it starts with a basically dead planet Gamilon, and Iscandar in peril, and leads to an invasion of Earth due to a lack of effective defenses. This arc might need a complete rewrite if done, but it would give them he chance to do a new series that has a lot of premade designs, while being able to tell more or less their own story, since only a few plot points can be kept in the currently known Yamato 2199-2202 storyline. That could change over the course of 2202. Earth will likely be almost defenseless by the end of this series, and who knows what state the Gamilas be be in at the end. Because I would think the Gamilas would seriously want to decapitate Gatlantis and Zordar. So this series might also cost Gamilas a lot as well.

The Dinguil story is the shortest, but has the longest reaching result for Yamato and its crew, if the Yamato Resurrection movies are to be included post-Yamato 2199. The only remaining flashback scenes in the Director's Cut being of the ending with Aquarius itself, nothing about the enemy in Final Yamato. Only the end result, Yuki, Kodai, and Okita (be it the man himself, a clone, or the Spirit of Yamato pulling its own trigger). So the Dinguil themselves aren't that important. Just that Aquarius gets to Earth.

skaianDestiny

2017-05-11, 00:58

News from the Shizuoka Hobby Show:

1/1000 2202 Yamato
https://twitter.com/dzf00214/status/862493974124036096

1/1000 Aldebaran will be sold separately from Andromeda
https://twitter.com/EMBsince1982/status/862474446048710657

Kamijou Touma

2017-05-11, 18:33

Wow, that alderbaran looks so good. I wonder what the difference is with Yamato.

skaianDestiny

2017-05-11, 20:16

Wow, that alderbaran looks so good. I wonder what the difference is with Yamato.
Slightly different AA arrangement, modified bow, and a larger engine opening are the ones I know about.

Johnathan Hardwell

2017-05-11, 20:45

I wonder if the crew of the Yamato run into the problem of the EDF wanting to update the Yamato with automated gun turrets, and the crew stating that the human operated gun turrets were better

Ithekro

2017-05-13, 13:34

This is what the Japanese wiki has to say about the weapons on Space Battleship Andromeda (2202) via google translation (make what you will of it):

Two-wheeled wave wave implosion radiator (commonly known as a diffuse wave gun)

40.6 centimeters tripletary convergence Compression type shockwave turret × 4 units

Rapid fire torpedo launch tube x 4 gates

Gravity piece spread launcher × 4 units

Small torpedo launch tube × 8 gate

Four consecutive anti-ship grenade projectors x 2

Subspace torpedo launcher x 4 units

Short torpedo launch tube

Multiply mounted missile launcher x 16 units

Protection Shockfield Gun × 3 units

Six pairs of side-by-side ray guns for proximity battle x 2 units

Aircraft pulsed laser turret × 4

Diffusion type anti-aircraft pulse laser turret x 1

Mounting machine / equipped boat
1 style space battle attack <Cosmo Tiger II> or
99 Expression space battle attack machine <Cosmo Falcon> × 36 aircraft

100 type spatial reconnaissance aircraft x 2

Space general purpose transport machine SC 97 <Cosmo Segal> × 2 machine

Two internal boats

While the carrier version says it has a lot less weapons, most of the mounts are still in place. Only the two after turrets and I think a few of the tower AAA mounts are missing. All the missile tubes are still in place, as are the other gun positions. Now it is possible some of the missile battery's magazines have been removed for more internal space for fighters, fuel, and munitions, but That doesn't seem like it would be needed given how huge that new tower and hanger structure are on top of those two ships. Plus the extra space by removing the aft batteries and I suppose the remodeling the underside hanger space that in on the other three Andromedas.

A logical question. We know the Andromeda is suppose to be able to fire projectiles, like Yamato can. But can it do it from all four turrets, or just the forward batteries? The reason Yamato didn't have that for its aft batteries was that there wasn't space for a magazine under those turrets with the engine and hanger taking up that space. Does Andromeda have enough room, or would the aft section still be taken up by the engine and hanger?

TZoli

2017-05-13, 16:29

Considering how large the Andromeda (even the old one was larger than Yamato) and not to mention it's a new design space ship, there could be enough space under the turrets for a small ammo storage.
In naval warships ammo storage was put at the bottom of the hull to both protect from incoming shells and to reduce the topweight problems the heavy turrets provided, which isn't an issue for a spaceship.

Ithekro

2017-05-18, 13:48

Looking at the current Dreadnaught/Borodino design, I wonder if the thin piece of hull under the wave motion gun is so they can retract the separator in the weapon's gate? Having it in allows for the spread effect like Andromeda, while retracting it allows for a straight forward blast like Yamato.

Also Yamato2202.net has some news on theaters and I think early showings for Chapter 2.

ars89

2017-05-20, 18:25

Ithekro

2017-05-21, 02:09

so just saw the first ep.

So was the double wave motion cannon the andromeda and 4 other ships have a joint gamilas and earth project or earth only?

Are the people after Teresa the same as the captured Gatlantis person?

It seemed like gamilas was a bit more under earth's leadership than a true cooperation is that correct?

On a side note i was upset that Kodai got stuck with a small ship and then the big andromeda came swooping in, though loved how the yamato saved the day once again.

Best I can answer these from what we have so far>

The Andromeda-class appears to be an Earth ship only, but we may learn something in the next chapter about how Earth is building ships so fast. May be a joint effort.

The people after Teresa are from Gatlantis, which is the huge White Comet looking thing.

We are only seeing things on Earth with the Gamilas ambassador and some political lackey types. We don't know what is going on back on Gamilas itself. The Gamilas Fleet dragged out three battleships with armored walls, which is said to be a rare thing. Andromeda was brand new (and technically against the treaty, but the Gamilas knew about her already). It is possible that Andromeda (Plan A) was the first idea, but some thought it best not to tip that hand yet, and went with a plan B, which was to breach the enemy's defenses with the combined fleets. (or if one want to call the walls a barricade, that was Plan B).

As for Kodai's ship, he is in command of what appears to be the largest ship type in the Earth fleet for the last several year, aside from Yamato, which housed the Cosmo Reverse System until it was decide to refit her back for combat with a wave motion gun, once Earth decided to embark on a wave motion gunboat policy. Until Andromeda come out, a ship like Yuunagi is the same size as the battleships of the previous war with Gamilas (until of course Yamato). So Kodai has managed to get a larger command than his brother even though he is still just a lieutenant. I think it is mentioned that he's a squadron commander as well, so there were other ships under his command other than his ship, but we don't see that in action, as Kodai fights like his brother and Okita when he's got a single ship to get in close and do a LOT of damage. Shock cannons are quite powerful against most things.

The Captain of the Andromeda was the last surviving battleship captain from the war with Gamilas, being the captain of Okita's flagship, Kirishima, as the Battle of Pluto. he kind of his seniority. Who's commanding all those other ships is unknown, but Kodai has a known issue with wave motion guns and keeping the word of his commanding officer, Okita, the word that Earth would not go down the some route that doomed Iscandar...the route of the wave motion gun and conquest.

But to be fair, they can't really get rid of it, and unlike nuclear weapons, wave motion guns can actually be used in combat without blowing up civilizations. Considering in Yamato 2199, they used the Wave Motion Gun five times. Twice in offensive combat. Twice to breach something that blocked their progress, and once in defense of a planet. The first time they didn't except it to do as much damage at it did. The second time in combat the majority of the damage was from the explosion of their target, not the wave motion gun itself. All other times the damage done was secondary to the wave motion gun caused by the enemy vessel(s) doing something they really shouldn't have tried to do. The last time, the wave motion gun was used directly on a target to good effect, the only secondary results were from the Gamilas people changing their view on Yamato itself, and giving a vote of confidence to Starsha when the time came.