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As the title of this thread suggest, the purpose here is to allow discussion which compares the content between an anime episode as it aired and how it is laid out in the source material the anime was adapted from. All spoilers are allowed as long as it is relevant to the discussion at hand. It will be helpful if the posters clearly indicate the episode number before engaging into a detailed comparison to the source material. Obviously you are required to watch the episode prior to posting here. Thread is open to everyone, but since the novel/manga readers are expected to participate, the anime-only viewers are advised to use discretion before venturing into this thread.
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Random Wanderer
2015-07-31, 19:52
Just for the sake of saying it in the proper place, I'll repost my comment from the episode five thread:
I haven't read the novels, but after watching through episode 4 I went and read the manga, and this episode [episode 5] was certainly a lot less graphic than what was shown there. The bandits didn't even have to mutilate any of the bodies here for the line to break, while in the manga they were cutting apart the bodies of women and throwing them into the crowd to rile them up, and so on. I suppose that would require a different timeslot.
Finally, a proper thread to vent our gripes. :rolleyes:
The censorship in episode 5 isn't that bad. They still show what suppose to happen. The bandits did kill villagers, display them and taunt others into attack. I only puzzle that why all the victims must be male. There is no need for nudity. There is no need for mutilation. Just make one of the victim female. Has one of villager cry out "That is my wife !!", then charging in rage. How hard could that be ? More dramatic, more faithful and nothing too offensive is shown.
As for episode 6, They just need to recycle animation from Rory introduction in ep3 and battle of Alnus in ep2. Then, they should have a good episode in their hand. Please don't fuck it up. :heh:
Myssa Rei
2015-08-01, 07:20
I was kind of disappointed at how we lost the Zabi family reference with the Formal family, but at least this time around the episode didn't shy away from the violence of the Italica battle. That said, it's still pretty sanitized compared to the manga -- as Random mentioned, the deserters used women, whose bodies were then mutilated in front of their relatives, to rile the defenders up.
Shinji103
2015-08-01, 14:36
Naked dead women, and it was inferred that they were raped. (plus it went as graphic as to show wooden needles sticking out of their dead eyes)
So yeah, I don't have a problem with that being sanitized.
I read about it and am starting to think that the author wanted to throw JSDF in the world of Berserk but decided against it.
Found a good comparison list for the main characters slight spoilers for anime only people.
http://i.4cdn.org/a/1438771698051.jpg
Personally for me the best designs from top to bottom are
Manga/anime
light novel/manga
Light novel
Light novel
Light novel
Manga
wooden needles sticking out of their dead eyes
That was a broken-off arrow shaft.
Found a good comparison list for the main characters slight spoilers for anime only people.
http://i.4cdn.org/a/1438771698051.jpg
Nice list you have there.
My personal completely bias preferred design is manga one :p
Light novel artwork is also very nice too.
Apache Thunder
2015-08-05, 14:10
I've noticed that the Anime designs overall appear to be more closely related to the Light Novel designs then the manga designs. Still different, but not as different as the Manga. For example, the head band thing on Rory in the LN design has a closer similarity to the anime design. The manga had some frills behind the main headband that obscured the hair behind the gap. But in the LN the frills are in the front and are in one color (they sorta closely resemble the bow tie type thing with the anime design and like the anime, you can more clearly see the gap in-between the two halves of the head band. The LN design is also less "frilly" in the dark areas compared to the manga and isn't as folded.
The anime version have them much more pointy and taller (they sorta resemble cat ears), but the edging on them and solid coloring of the dark parts closely resemble the LN designs where the manga had them sorta of frilly/folded texture in the dark part. The rest of her dress is hard for me to make out because the LN illistration shown in the post above doesn't show most of her body.
Tuka/Chuka doesn't seem to have changed much at all through the LN/Manga/Anime, so it's hard to tell with her. (not sure which name for her is correct, there appears to be some translation differences between the anime and manga names. I've seen subtitles for the anime show Rory's god as "Emloy" in the anime where I think I saw it as "Emroy" in a English translation of the manga. Neither translations are official though so perhaps this kind of discrepancy is to be expected. (would like to know which would be correct though. :P )
The design of Princess Pina from the LN is also much closer to the anime design then the manga. Mainly the design of the face and hair. There's still differences of the jewelry and clothing though. It's harder to tell with Itami. Though I think his face (mainly the eyes perhaps) in the LN are a closer match to the anime then the manga.
So this is perhaps an indication which one they are actually using for the source material in the anime adaptation? ;)
What was that... Rori is suppose to be terrifying in battle. She goes hysterical/batshit in combat. Just isnt as interesting if shes just pushing them around. If shes going to push them around, she should be using a maul.
did I get the wrong impression in the manga? or is the anime kinda lacking in showing her true battle prowess?
What was that... Rori is suppose to be terrifying in battle. She goes hysterical/batshit in combat. Just isnt as interesting if shes just pushing them around. If shes going to push them around, she should be using a maul.
did I get the wrong impression in the manga? or is the anime kinda lacking in showing her true battle prowess?
Personal opinion wise I kinda felt so ... but its sorta understandable to me: in the manga at least when they show her battle prowess it often involves gruesome results, so I chalk that up to the slight changes they made in how she fought - things like that are unlikely to be shown on tv.
Go0gleplex
2015-08-07, 17:58
Yup. Rory in combat (and the whole battle for Italica for that matter) was sanitized for the censors. Her in the air scene for example, in the manga she went inverted and flashed and decapitated the lot of the spearmen balanced on one hand; while in the episode only went straight up twirling and of course the dust obscured the slaughter.
While the sanitation does take out a lot of the visceral impact of the story, I can see they were going for a wider age range for their audience with the anime...and they aren't messing things up too badly yet because of it.
Top Sergeant
2015-08-07, 23:50
Yup. Rory in combat (and the whole battle for Italica for that matter) was sanitized for the censors. Her in the air scene for example, in the manga she went inverted and flashed and decapitated the lot of the spearmen balanced on one hand; while in the episode only went straight up twirling and of course the dust obscured the slaughter.
While the sanitation does take out a lot of the visceral impact of the story, I can see they were going for a wider age range for their audience with the anime...and they aren't messing things up too badly yet because of it.
Point taken, but I do note that they do bring in the blood to emphasize a part of a scene every now and then. In this episode, it was the enemy commander impaled on Rory's halberd, his blood raining down and onto her face as she looked up at him, begging her for an answer she never gave. This method does have the advantage of bringing the viewer's attention to a particular image, keeping it from being lost in what might otherwise be commonplace blood splatter.
Yeah the whole no blood thing is stupid. I understand having people cut in half is somewhat disturbing, but not even and blood trails or puddles appearing after each swing. They're making her our as someone who has no intent to kill, but rather tease. Doesn't do any justice to Roris character/personality. Might as well be called Rori the troll if thats how they intend to portray her.
She is my favourit character of the series, so I guess its annoying how much they are messing up with her.
GreyZone
2015-08-08, 04:47
It seems the blood is coming and going. Last episode it was more visible... it seems like it really depends on the current episode director for how much blood is shown.
Apache Thunder
2015-08-08, 09:59
Yeah I'm hoping who ever is directing the episode with Rory cutting down American Special Forces will not be the one that did episode 6. I suppose we'll never see the straight up beheading and limb removing slaughter that Rory is capable of. But I'm hoping it will be a little bit more evident that she's killing people. :P
If it's closer to what she did in episode 3, I would be happy. :P
Random Wanderer
2015-08-08, 11:52
In other news we got a good view of Myuute in episode 6. I don't know if this is a discrepency or not because we've never seen her in color, but I had no idea her feathers were green. For some reason I had the impression they were blue or gray.
In other news we got a good view of Myuute in episode 6. I don't know if this is a discrepency or not because we've never seen her in color, but I had no idea her feathers were green. For some reason I had the impression they were blue or gray.
I was kinda taken aback by the color choices as well ... I did not expect them to be so ... vivid, I guess?
risingstar3110
2015-08-15, 22:53
As mentioned, I think the anime kinda ruined the princess character IMO. She has became so generic now. Unlike her manipulative/ over-thinking/ over-analysing portrayed elsewhere.
For example the part where she saw the shooting range and thought about stealing/ replicating the guns to give the Imperial a fighting chance. But then her plan was completely crushed when Lelei introduced the tank.
Or when she tried to plot out ways to prevent an all out war (including chase after and eliminate Itami's soldiers) or how the decision to follow the guys back to their base supposed to be a big deal and she were readily to sacrifice herself.
As mentioned, I think the anime kinda ruined the princess character IMO. She has became so generic now. Unlike her manipulative/ over-thinking/ over-analysing portrayed elsewhere.
For example the part where she saw the shooting range and thought about stealing/ replicating the guns to give the Imperial a fighting chance. But then her plan was completely crushed when Lelei introduced the tank.
Or when she tried to plot out ways to prevent an all out war (including chase after and eliminate Itami's soldiers) or how the decision to follow the guys back to their base supposed to be a big deal and she were readily to sacrifice herself.
Yeah, the imagination of Itami standing before the "Japanese Senate" with a King of Japan flanked by two guards holding guns like spears really made her stand out in terms of her over-analysis.
Just have a chance (and a will) to watch episode 6-7-8. Huh, that wasn't bad at all.
While the small panel cuts during helicopter attack is an odd choice for directing, it is kinda distracting. Wagner's Ride of the Valkyrie alone already give this adaptation a passing grade lol.
Rory fighting scene, even with de-blooding and everything, is actually very impressive. I would say it's the best fighting scene we had so far in the series. I especially like Kuribayashi's Gun-fu. It's very creative.
Too bad they cut the part where Pina plan to steal a gun until Lelei point out it's useless because of tank and stuffs. As other people mentioned, the lack of monologue in anime format really hurt Pina's personality the most. Shame, she is my favorite character in manga for her overthinking (and usually fail) trait.
People seem to made a fuss about maids design become generic but I'm kinda used to it now. :heh: At least it is nothing out of place, unlike Rory's or Pina's cleavages.
Risa's moenization is also kinda within my expectation. Two political women become younger and more beauty while it is more than I expected is still within the trend. What really took my by surprise is Komakado. He's changed from a neat secret agent to some poor detective lol. That and Sugawara being so similar to his manga counterpart. :heh:
Top Sergeant
2015-08-26, 17:57
Too bad they cut the part where Pina plan to steal a gun until Lelei point out it's useless because of tank and stuffs. As other people mentioned, the lack of monologue in anime format really hurt Pina's personality the most. Shame, she is my favorite character in manga for her overthinking (and usually fail) trait.
If I recall correctly, Pinya does manage to get her hands on an automatic pistol, I think after the fight at the resort.
If I recall correctly, Pinya does manage to get her hands on an automatic pistol, I think after the fight at the resort.
But it gets caught in the metal detectors and she gets frisked and it gets confiscated.
You know. That Intelligence officer in the manga looked so suspiciously evil, it was kinda cool. Yet in the anime it looks like they pulled some homeless bum off the street to play intelligence officer for the day. And that diet lady, in the manga should looks more political and mean. Gives the impression shes really high class and spoilt.. why did they try to cute her up? moefication again ?
In the case of this series, I'm the kind that simply goes with the way the staff is portraying the characters... Since I kinda dislike the Manga artstyle... :p
In the case of this series, I'm the kind that simply goes with the way the staff is portraying the characters... Since I kinda dislike the Manga artstyle... :p
The manga art style is more consistant with the origional novel though, not the republished light novel version which the anime Pina is from.
Since it was described that the Empire normal outfit is roman toga, not the dress uniform of the anime.
But the anime really..moefied alot of the characters
Or the female soldier, she's supposed to be a expert in CQC, small in stature, and have large breast.
Picture
Left - Published novel(No art, except cover)
2nd Left - Manga
3rd - Republished Light novel style
4th - Anime
http://i.imgur.com/FJXSK9x.jpg
Episode 8 manga and Anime character compare pic - The Diet(Congress) female personall became really young, which is not really realistic.
http://i.imgur.com/6FhlWVN.jpg
Top Sergeant
2015-08-27, 20:36
In the case of this series, I'm the kind that simply goes with the way the staff is portraying the characters... Since I kinda dislike the Manga artstyle... :p
I'm starting to agree with you about the manga art style.
Sacredus
2015-08-28, 04:47
The manga art style is more consistant with the origional novel though, not the republished light novel version which the anime Pina is from.
Since it was described that the Empire normal outfit is roman toga, not the dress uniform of the anime.
But the anime really..moefied alot of the characters
Or the female soldier, she's supposed to be a expert in CQC, small in stature, and have large breast.
Picture
Left - Published novel(No art, except cover)
2nd Left - Manga
3rd - Republished Light novel style
4th - Anime
http://i.imgur.com/FJXSK9x.jpg
Episode 8 manga and Anime character compare pic - The Diet(Congress) female personall became really young, which is not really realistic.
http://i.imgur.com/6FhlWVN.jpg
Not again... stop with this comprehensions with manga already. Manga designs are just awful and anime is based on Light Novel.
As for designs for me: LN > anime >>>>> manga > novel
Anime has the worst designs. Well thats my opinion on the matter. In fact, when you notice the cat is even missing her cat eyes, then you seriously know there is something wrong with these half baked designs for sure.
In the end, it's all a matter of tastes.
Brother Coa
2016-02-26, 14:27
This week episode described in one sentence: 'The Inquisition has arrived.'
And I really hate that organization is called differently from "Inquisition" what is called in LN....
What they also lack to show is scene from LN where main investigator kills the commander for failing to capture the Sherry in the 1'st raid. It also fails to show the scene where second commander actually left Sherry go, only for one of the Inquisitorial soldiers coming after her. When she crossed the embassy border the soldier followed her and he was cut down the second he crossed it by nearby knight.
Other than that it was fine episode, and going by current pace the anime will end at a sooner note than I expected. But that's great since season 2 will most probably have 24 episodes as well. :)
Sherry is going to be one heck of a diplomat when she grows up. I am glad everything turned out fine for her. Beside entire parent death thing...
They did omit a HUGE plotline from this episode.
Before Sherry and the Senator arrive at the Jade Palace, Boses is eating large amounts of citrus, and other girls jokingly mention she might be pregnant.
Boses replies with a serious look that it's certainly possible. She tells them she might be carrying Tomita's baby.
This develops into a rather significant plotline in the future, and central plot in book 7 (gaiden 2)
So I hope the anime doesn't completely omit it out.
Brother Coa
2016-03-04, 14:38
In this episode they didn't show Zorzal and Pina's brother ( the one who left the capital ) talking with Chinese representative. Tryign to get Chinese support for the Empire.
Brother Coa
2016-03-04, 14:46
Yeah, the only 'rational' one left beside Pina.
quigonkenny
2016-03-04, 15:22
You mean Diablo, right?
Isn't it Diabo?
Diabo is correct.
He is probably the smartest of the siblings, but his ambition and cowardice is his main failure.
If only that guy could learn to listen and heed others, and control his ambition, he'd make a much better politician than his brother or his sister.
Malt is still the only real competent man in the Royal family.
coded321
2016-03-05, 00:59
was pina forced to become a slave in the novels?
Top Sergeant
2016-03-11, 10:19
I found a delightful manga about a young Pinya co Lada and her efforts to form the Rose Knights. The title is Gate:Teikoku no Bara Kishidan - Pinya Co Lada 14-sai
Brother Coa
2016-03-11, 16:52
Great that they have shown us planetary disturbance theories scene but they have shortened it to a point it is not relevant to the plot.
Like Aohige's post showed us this will be very important later on in the storyline. And because of this the planetary theory got a lot of attention in LN. Oh well, I guess that manga will portrait it like it should have been portraited.
I think they just scrap it for more important stuff as this will not be important until much later in the storyline.
I found a delightful manga about a young Pinya co Lada and her efforts to form the Rose Knights. The title is Gate:Teikoku no Bara Kishidan - Pinya Co Lada 14-sai
It's one of the several Gate spin-off manga running on Alphapolis website.
I just picked up the first tankoubon volume the other day in Akiba along with GATE Starry Nights v1, I'll upload photos of the loot once I get back stateside. :D
Top Sergeant
2016-03-13, 18:46
It's one of the several Gate spin-off manga running on Alphapolis website.
I just picked up the first tankoubon volume the other day in Akiba along with GATE Starry Nights v1, I'll upload photos of the loot once I get back stateside. :D
Wahoo!! :D
Brother Coa
2016-03-25, 01:17
Just watched PV for final episode, is it just me or did they changed some things from LN version?
Remembering from aohige's writings:
-Village chief was not there,
-Itami's squad was not there.
-Out of SF members only Assassin was left in the city, here all of them are still here.
-In the end they returned to the other side of the GATE, inn LN description they didn't. ( unless it's for visiting Itami's mother, but she was only mentioned once and that scene with her in manga and LN was skipped ).
Top Sergeant
2016-03-25, 07:08
Just watched PV for final episode, is it just me or did they changed some things from LN version?
They have been changing things for 23 episodes, so its not surprising. But as long as the final product is still good I'm OK with that. :)
Brother Coa
2016-03-25, 17:24
They have been changing things for 23 episodes, so its not surprising. But as long as the final product is still good I'm OK with that. :)
Yeah, I know that.
But for this specific episode they changed quite a lot.
-The primary goal for Itami was not to save princess, that's changed here.
-The reason why she was brought to throne room was to get info from her how to successful counter SDF, Ogres were just one of idea. They are to be used as heavy infantry unit that would stand in front of standard troops and socked up damage from SDF guns. At that moment she laughed at him and his idea for how stupid they are and how SDF is simply too powerful for anything they have.
-Also, when they saved Pina they didn't make her crown princess yet. Her father took controlling the "new" Imperial Government while she and Hamilton took chopper with Itami and head to meet Hardy.
-Itami's squad was not with him, and they escaped using only Humvee.
-The scene with sniper was done a lot better in LN. Itami basically gave Zorzal an apple that was destroyed in his hands by sniper bullet moments later. Quite a way to make an impression.
-Last scene in Japan is strictly anime original as well.
But overall it was good, some things are done even better in my opinion.
francescoG1
2016-03-25, 17:41
-Also, when they saved Pina they didn't make her crown princess yet. Her father took controlling the "new" Imperial Government while she and Hamilton took chopper with Itami and head to meet Hardy.
:confused:
Summary
"The Emperor wakes up and explains to others what he suspects Japan's intention is.
With both Pina and Malt at their side, they could claim Zorzal's succession to be an uprise, and his seat of power illegal. Pina is worried that this will split the empire into a civil war, but Malt tells his daughter a civil war is inevitable at this point.
He tells her he will appoint her the Crown Princess. It will be up to her whether she wants to split the empire and rule them separately, or take up arms and overthrow Zorzal. "
-The scene with sniper was done a lot better in LN. Itami basically gave Zorzal an apple that was destroyed in his hands by sniper bullet moments later. Quite a way to make an impression.
Apple? no a golden goblet
Brother Coa
2016-03-25, 17:48
Yeah, forgot that part, however I don't remember ceremony in the summary and as you have posted now I see why I remember it differently - there was no ceremony with everyone.
And golden goblet? I was sure it was apple... oh well....
In any case, it was not just shot in empty like in anime.
The rest is fine dough, exactly as I described.
Top Sergeant
2016-03-25, 19:46
But overall it was good, some things are done even better in my opinion.
I completely agree. :)
blakstealth
2016-05-21, 16:45
So I just read chapter 55 of the manga.
I'm so glad the anime re-worked the entire dialogue with Pina and Diabo. Him joking about Pina offering her body to him was just bad. If he meant what he said, then I could probably overlook it, but in the end where he seemed to have been joking but Pina took it seriously...I think it was supposed to be funny, but it felt like it was just in bad taste.
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