Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 1 Discussion / Poll

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Slightly bit early since I will be very busy tommorow.

[Stark700]

OP song:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x38jlm7

Pretty good episode, definitely exceeded my expectations especially the mecha design, action, and OST.
The action and choreography were done well imo on most parts.

[LightningZERO]

And the youtube version is up

XsuzL6GYk3c

[SonicSP]

Really really loving this show now. Good start to the backdrop and a good start to the events that will unfold. Very good setup to the series and the characters and the pacing felt well done.

I guess when they mean Iron Blooded Orphans, they actually meant it literally.

I'm really loving Mika at the moment, I love these types of characters. The hold and relationship he has with sorta is interesting as well. Hell I even like the princess for some reason even if I don't think she's that special. Maybe I just like her design.

Looks like the Ahab Particles might have the ability to block communications (like GN Particles and Minovsky Particles) if they are the reason they need those transponder thingies to communicate over long distances.

[LoweGear]

Like many have said, there's definitely a 00 vibe to this show, right down to the introduction at the start which reminded me of 00's beginning with Setsuna, though only as far as kids with guns and sunsets though.

It's also quite refreshing to see a Gundam first episode where the first battle is actually a tank vs tank affair... okay technically a Mobile Worker vs Mobile Worker affair, but the feel is definitely there. And the Barbatos' entrance, while not quite as awe inspiring as intros like that of the Exia or the 00 Gundam's, definitely was badass for the one thing it did this episode: taking to the field like a boss. :cool:

Oh yeah, another thing that gives this 00 vibes: the usual Gundam monologue exposition at the start is missing, though unlike with 00 they spend a fair amount of time laying out who the characters are on all the sides and explaining stuff without dragging on, which is quite nice, if feeling a bit artificial at times.

Oddly though, apart from Barbatos' entrance there was one other scene this episode I liked:



Mikazuki pointing out that the handshake offered by the Princess, in her desire to want to acknowledge them as equals, implies that they do know that they were unequal in the first place, which does come across as patronizing. I don't know why, but I like the blunt way that was delivered.



Good start to the series overall, can't wait to see Barbatos kicking ass next week.

[foxbox360]

This remind me of Gurren Langan than an average Gundam series, The dynamic of the two main protag similar to Simon and Kaimina.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Wow, what a bleak world the orphan characters are living in. They’re being abused so much almost like slaves. I wonder how much they got from that kinda job. But I like this “heavy” atmosphere and setting so far.

As for our main duo of Mika & Orga, I guess we can say that their relationship is the healthier version of Soran & Ali Al-Saachez. I don’t know if Orga is pretty much just using Mika’s talent for better living or does he genuinely care for him and his orphan-friends. I hope it’s the latter. Speaking of orphan characters, boy oh boy, a number of them already got killed (even named characters). This is such a bleak & unapologetic show. Heck, our resident princess is already in the middle of the conflict the day she arrived for escort :heh:. Now I’m really concerned about her safety. I also like how they didn’t overly glamorized Aina’s (hey, we have another Aina!) status as someone of importance *coughRelenacoughLacuscough*. And one more thing, I’m glad that Biscuit, our resident chubby side-character, is not used as a comic relief. In fact, he seems sharp, intelligent, and resourceful to boot. If the show kept his character like that (or even improve it), it’ll be a big plus in my book since they will broke free from the “dumb fatso”-stereotype.

As for the animation. Well....maybe I was a bit spoiled by the recent visual beauty that is G-Reco (by Studio 1 IIRC?), but I’m not really blown away by the motion and movements of the Workers/tanks/whatever you call those things here. They don’t move as smooth as I would like them to be (and this is only the first episode). Not that I don't appreciate Studio 3's(?) work here. It's still look good but not that impressive to me, which is still a positive in my book as they can always improve. But the jittery tank-animation aside, I like the details and weathered-color of those tanks. Maybe they saved the budget for the upcoming Gundam fight? (duh) Who am I kidding, of course they did. That’s why I can’t wait to see episode 2. Oh btw, your mace looks really good this episode, Barbatos :D. It works wonders.

[Haak]

They crammed an awful lot into this episode but it was still easy to follow so that's good. They got straight into the politics instead of leaving it at the peripheral which I'm also really glad for. They were a little heavy on the artificial exposition but it wasn't too detracting. I think the stand out was the dynamic between Mika and Orga. Orga's got some hefty death flags on him already though. And although it was rare there was some funny jokes that made me lol. Overall very good episode.

Verdict: IT'S A GUNDAM!!!!!

[The 48th Ronin]

Wow, a nice opening to this series. Here's to hoping it's a 50-episode one.

[donie]

epic entrence of berbatos. good insert song

3 minute but i like it.

well ahab partikel just for energy like lamp and so on. i think this ahab partike just like nuclear.

[Baldurkai]

First ep seems very promising, have to say i much prefer Orga over mika already. Mecha looks cool, and epic music. Shame all Gundam stories are pretty much the same over and over...

Oh well hoping the anime gets better ^^^ on the watch list for sure.

[Terrestrial Dream]

This remind me of Gurren Langan than an average Gundam series, The dynamic of the two main protag similar to Simon and Kaimina. Or bit like Griffith and Guts from Berserk early on, one is absolutely devoted to the cause of other and willing to follow him to death... well until you know.



As for our main duo of Mika & Orga, I guess we can say that their relationship is the healthier version of Soran & Ali Al-Saachez. I don’t know if Orga is pretty much just using Mika’s talent for better living or does he genuinely care for him and his orphan-friends. I hope it’s the latter. Speaking of orphan characters, boy oh boy, a number of them already got killed (even named characters). This is such a bleak & unapologetic show. Heck, our resident princess is already in the middle of the conflict the day she arrived for escort :heh:. Now I’m really concerned about her safety. I also like how they didn’t overly glamorized Aina’s (hey, we have another Aina!) status as someone of importance *coughRelenacoughLacuscough*. And one more thing, I’m glad that Biscuit, our resident chubby side-character, is not used as a comic relief. In fact, he seems sharp, intelligent, and resourceful to boot. If the show kept his character like that (or even improve it), it’ll be a big plus in my book since they will broke free from the “dumb fatso”-stereotype.
Yeah, regarding Biscuit I expected him to be comic relief character, but seems like he is going to be intelligent one of the group.

Overall, cool episode, introduced few characters here and there establishing the group dynamic, factions and other junks. So pretty standard episode with Gundam appearing at the end. Can't judge from this right now but so far I think group dynamic will be the key to how good this anime can be.

Also, they actually talked bit about economic situation and how it could be one of the source for conflict. I don't think there has been a Gundam where the reason for conflict was economic,so I thought that was bit interesting.

[Key Board]

reminds me of Metal Gear Solid in a good way

[foxbox360]

Or bit like Griffith and Guts from Berserk early on, one is absolutely devoted to the cause of other and willing to follow him to death... well until you know.


I see what you saying and I bet you that princess might drive a wrege between them. :D

[Zantetsuken]

Looks like the Ahab Particles might have the ability to block communications (like GN Particles and Minovsky Particles) if they are the reason they need those transponder thingies to communicate over long distances.

And it seems to either harden the armor or create a barrier. In https://youtu.be/XsuzL6GYk3c?t=21m30s there seems to be a weird effect when the MS was shot at.

[StratoSpear]

Loving it. Loving it. LOVING IT.

They just dived into politics from the start without being half-assed on the details. Boy they did cram so much for one episode but the flow helps with the info processing. MC can be quite a brick towards girls but that's what being in an all-boys security company camp gets you.

And it was a nice subtle hint to show the CGS base going out of power to signal the Gundam's arrival. That's what happens when your power generator runs off to kill bad guys.

[LightningZERO]

That's a very good start. The first half was full of random characters appearing, name dropping and blatant world building that the pacing was off, but the whole episode got better by its second half, with the attack of Gjallarhorn. It is really refreshing to see the use of Mobile Workers in a Gundam series, and everything using physical weapons. The moment when Barbatos leaped out and smashed the enemy's head was badass, especially the perfectly inserted OST. (I am buying HG Barbatos. You won Bandai)

So far the characters are pretty interesting. I was expecting Mikazuki to be a cold child soldier character type like Setsuna, but I am pleasantly surprised that he seems to be very mature and plays well with others too. While it seems he and Orga have some brotherly relationship going on, I just can't shake off the feel that it will go south, like a poster here mentioned Guts and Griffith. I feel some uneasiness with the flashback where kid!Mika apparently killed a guy for Orga, and then asked him "what's next?"with innocent face.

I am liking Kudelia a lot too. She seems to be a kind person but rather naive with the real world and attracting lots of unwanted hostility. She probably will grow into better politician as the series goes on, I just hope she still returns part of the childishness, it's cute :D. She most likely will shake Mika's hand even though it's dirty few episodes later too.

The official episode has the OP video cut off while the raw as it (it was used as ending), weird.

Looking forward to the next episode!

[HighGuard]

Great first start! This looks to be a very promising Gundam. So much better then the last mess anyways

[FlareKnight]

That was a good start to be sure. A nice way to introduce the cast and get the story moving.

I do like Kudelia so far. Considering the parents she has, the girl is remarkably reasonable. Sure she has her biases and misconceptions, but doesn't seem like the type that will take long to get through that and grow as a result. Between her mother who seems completely cut off from reality and her father who is a coward on the level of selling out his daughter.....she's done well to overcome her parentage :heh:.

I did like the initial battle being via those mobile workers. A good bit of fighting there with the Gundam showing up at the end to even things out after they had gotten out of control.

Curious to see Orga and Mika friendship going forward. I don't think it's that bad and that Orga is trying to live up to Mika's expectations. Just feel like he isn't happy about having to leave these jobs in Mika's hands and is uncomfortable on some level with how far Mika will go just because Orga tells him to. But who knows, we will see how that dynamic evolves.

I'd say it is sure as heck the best Gundam start we've gotten since 00. If first impressions mean anything this should be a good one.

[dragon1412]

Seen the ep just now, really good, Sunrise seem to learn from their past, the intro is simplified but still carry enough information. Both Mika and Orga seem likable but with how their past they lampshaded there is a real chance Orga is manipulate Mika. Kudelia is likable and not overly perfect or charismatic like other Sunrise show, and that make me like her a lot.

EDIT: i notice something here, the things on their back seem like there is multiple dose of it, Mika has 3, Orga has 1..... seem like we might get some new tech intro

[SonicSP]

EDIT: i notice something here, the things on their back seem like there is multiple dose of it, Mika has 3, Orga has 1..... seem like we might get some new tech intro

That's probabaly because Mikazuki has undergone the Alaya-Vignana treatment three times and survived according to the HG 1/144 Gundam Barbatos manual. I think increases their spatial awareness or something.

[The 48th Ronin]

How does the Alaya-Vignana system actually work?

[Scorpiopt]

so the english version cant be watched in the uk wtf

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

And the youtube version is up

XsuzL6GYk3c


Those goddamn motherfuckers. Not available in the US eh?:frustrated::frustrated:

[LoweGear]

Those goddamn motherfuckers. Not available in the US eh?:frustrated::frustrated:

Daisuki should have the video available for US viewers:

Episode 1 on Daisuki.net (http://www.daisuki.net/anime/watch/MOBILESUITGUNDAMIRONBLOODEDORPHANS/Ipd).

Of course you need an account to view it, though at least it's free.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

I'd have to download an app to use it since I don't habve my own PC. Does anyone have the app by chance? Any good?

Seriously though, what is this shit? We got both Build Fighters, but not IBO?

[dragon1412]

That's probabaly because Mikazuki has undergone the Alaya-Vignana treatment three times and survived according to the HG 1/144 Gundam Barbatos manual. I think increases their spatial awareness or something.

So this is like a newtype?? though looking at the way this was hinted, the treatment seem rather dangerous and they make the children as expendables received it, if it was used to increase their ability, won't their commander or high ranker get it as well.... well let's just wait for later eps to clear this.

[Scorpiopt]

Those goddamn motherfuckers. Not available in the US eh?:frustrated::frustrated:

same here no uk , wtf are they thinking
anyway watched on another website so far so good great start

[Galaxian]

Let's be honest, the set up for this episode is pretty formulaic. The main characters are caught in the middle of a series of schemes and betrayals and they are forced to fight back in a Gundam. That said, the production values are really good, in both animation, design, and sound, and, while it's hard to form a full idea about the characters given their limited exposure, at the very least their situation is sympathetic, and it goes a long way to endear them to us than in the last two "main" series.

[Kanon]

That was surprisingly good, but it's still only the very start. I'm not confident they'll be able to keep up that quality the whole way through, but we'll see.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Eh, I thought animation was aright, good but nothing mind blowing. Personally, the music stood out for me more.

Another thing I remember, we now got two Aina in Gundam.

[Boukenxha]

I see... true to the world setting given to us, due to the tremendous strain on the pilot (see blood on Mikazuki), Gundams have even become "white elephants" like relics to those who can't use it, the main forces just freaking left it behind when they escaped! Yeah I mean it's funny to think about.... :heh:

[Tactics]

Looking at Augus and Orga at the beginning, it feels like I'm looking at Shimon (TTGL) and Archer (F/SN). LOL.

The feel of bromance in the camp is strong; I like it, looking forward for the next episodes.
Remains are setup for future conflict; Barbatos ensure me there's more to look forward from this mecha.

One thing I'm surprised with is how handsome Augus can be during his close-up at the end of episodes.

:D

[Galaxian]

I like the setup that, just like Barbatos needs Mika to pilot it, Mika needs Orga to guide him. I can see the character arc for Mika in the series being him finding his on conviction and taking the reigns of his own life. The question is whether or not they'll make Orga into a villain to do so.

[ReddyRedWolf]

After genki protags of late we are back to the cold aloof type of Gundam MC like Heero and Setsuna.

From the exposition there was a war 300 years ago for a power source called Ahab reactor. Mars is colonized but is exploited for resources. Martians wants independence from Earth.

Goodness another Earther-Martian conflict. Only this time they are trying to portray Martians as sympathetic unlike Vegans who are utterly unsympathetic in motivations.

[Patriot's Blade]

So this is like a newtype?? though looking at the way this was hinted, the treatment seem rather dangerous and they make the children as expendables received it, if it was used to increase their ability, won't their commander or high ranker get it as well.... well let's just wait for later eps to clear this.

i think its more like a Cyber Newtype procedure except leaving visible traces of it on the subject's body.

[Kenju of the Right]

Really good first episode, the part where the white-haired guy was talking about not dying while being chased gave me chills.
I also really like the female lead, her thinking is very understandable

[Patriot's Blade]

i think its probably much funnier if Aina was the one responsible for the Gundam's quick deployment easily thanks to her help as the engineers were frantically trying to activate it, still does Aina even knows the basics of mechanics as she said she wanted to help? unless what she meant was to carry tools & equipment or something? :heh:

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Had to resort to animeultima, but I finally got to see episode one. Pretty good, lots of info.coming out at once, but I enjoyed it. Action was great, and when Barbatos showed up, that was awesome. Can't wait to see more.

[com_gwp]

Look at all these jaded comments, hahaha.

I loved this episode, Nagai and Okada are off to a pretty good start in my books. Yes, we're seeing a typical conspiracy setup here, but man, I love the gritty kids soldier setting of this and the companionship between the boys. And dat tribal soundtrack! :eyespin:

[Beefsquatch]

Pretty good start to the series, but I kind of kept hoping Orga would use the gundam. Maybe he'll take over once in a while in the future???

[Somnus]

MC can be quite a brick towards girls but that's what being in an all-boys security company camp gets you.

I'd have to disagree a bit here. I think Mika is just apathetic/indifferent towards most things-- women included. His companion was more than happy enough to introduce himself to Aina, so I doubt it has anything to do with the whole "all-boys environment makes men awkward towards women" thing.

Speaking of Mika though, I think he's awesome. He's not the blank slate initial impressions may have a viewer believe, he's just (in my opinion) indifferent to most things. He's definitely aware and thoughtful, and his short "conversation" with Aina might very well be my favourite scene of the episode. How this all translates from the scene we're shown of when they were kids has yet to be seen, of course.

All in all, I can't wait for more.

Also, do we know how old that girl(?) from the shop is? I thought she was like 10 tops, but then we're shown her driving a truck in the preview, ha ha.

[Galaxian]

I loved who "blunt" Mika's tour was, and the whole deal about the handshake shows that he as a pretty good level of awareness. It was a great character scene for both Mika and Aina.

[monster]

This was a nice first episode. I especially like how the kids are used to fighting. I'm not sure how IO feel about the girl with the crush, especially talking about airing out a bracelet. :uhoh::heh: Oddly though, apart from Barbatos' entrance there was one other scene this episode I liked:



Mikazuki pointing out that the handshake offered by the Princess, in her desire to want to acknowledge them as equals, implies that they do know that they were unequal in the first place, which does come across as patronizing. I don't know why, but I like the blunt way that was delivered.

Indeed, that was a very nice scene. I also like how they didn’t overly glamorized Aina’s (hey, we have another Aina!) status as someone of importance *coughRelenacoughLacuscough*. Then again, it's tough to overly glamorize someone like her when even her parents couldn't do anything. :heh: That said, is she the first girl in Gundam to start a conflict? She's like a modern-day Helen of Troy (except without the abduction and love and marriage part) :heh:. Also, they actually talked bit about economic situation and how it could be one of the source for conflict. I don't think there has been a Gundam where the reason for conflict was economic,so I thought that was bit interesting. Well, every Gundam show where there is a desire for independence would have an economic reason as part of it.

[Utsuro no Hako]

I like Princess Asseylum's new haircut, and Eddelrituo sure looks different now that she's grown up.

[.:Jason:.]

That was a good first episode. While they crammed a lot of things in and introduced a lot of characters it never felt rushed and it was nice to see the characters' normal lives instead of jumping right into the action.

[Hmm....]

Finally a Gundam serires that look promising. Haven't seen that for quite some time.

The animation is truly gorgeous. Then again I know better than to trust that the quality will stay the same through out the series lol.

I like characters so far. I can see why some people think they are similar Kamina&Simon. They sure do. I also like Aina so far. Although, it seem she may go down the same vein as most Gundam girls, useless. I hope I am wrong here though lol.

The setting is not bad. Typical of gundam story, I guess. I feel like it kinda get inspiration from Aldnoah Zero though. Gundam franchise usually dealing with colony around Earth. It rarely venture further than Moon. Now it's suddenly about Mars colony huh? well not that there is anything wrong with that.

[Asuras]

Man. The handshake scene was great. I thought it hit home exactly what we're going to see between the Princess and her escort later on.

[Yan3242]

I like the mika Scene with the princess its quite make sense i guess, i mean that place is strict and harsh not to mention the abuse too, if i born and raise in poor place then suddenly there this rich girl coming to my area and start poking things with happy go lucky attidute off course i will give her the cold shoulder too.

Aina look going to be the one with major growth here, the tour, handshake, confused at ambush, didnt seem to wonder why her father "suddenly" agree to her doing, yeah she still see things in black and white right now.

aina and that shopkeeper girls is going to be best friend iam sure of it :heh:

And i bet aina is going to cut her hair short in some point :p

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

I also like Aina so far. Although, it seem she may go down the same vein as most Gundam girls, useless. I hope I am wrong here though lol.Most Gundam girls are useless? I guess you haven't seen any Gundam before SEED Destiny? Heck, g 00 has badass Soma Peries and the tactician Sumeragi, and GBF/T has Aila & Fumina.

[Haak]

And i bet aina is going to cut her hair short in some point :p

Death flag for Aina's hair?

[kk2extreme]

This gives me a 08 MS team feel

[s07195]

Will Orga get in the Gundam at some point, I wonder?

I was blown away, well not really, by all the cold grinning and posturing the 'bad people' did in the first half, but after the handshake scene things really moved upwards. Like all the characters so far, and am glad the fat guy's not the usual funny dumb dude.

[Hmm....]

Most Gundam girls are useless? I guess you haven't seen any Gundam before SEED Destiny? Heck, g 00 has badass Soma Peries and the tactician Sumeragi, and GBF/T has Aila & Fumina.

I was talking about the main girl of each series. And even if you count all girls, most of them are still useless. Sure, there are some bad ass girls here and there but majority of them are not.

[Patriot's Blade]

I was talking about the main girl of each series. And even if you count all girls, most of them are still useless. Sure, there are some bad ass girls here and there but majority of them are not.

ahem...... Christina Mackenzie..........

[DuelGundam2099]

I feel lost even though I'm not. I actively avoided announcements and trailers aside from the first to keep my mind as open as possible. Most Gundam series take thirty seconds to a minute to explain the factions fighting and why, here.... Not so much. The only other series that didn't do this were Turn A (insert eye roll here) and G-Reco. Who is fighting who? Any particular reason why Mars wants to be independent? What is Gjallhorn's role? Where did Barbatos Gundam come from? (granted I do know it's an old machine that was recovered, but every Gundam series that introduces a new timeline attempts to world build, it's one of Japan's mascot sci-fi stories!). It also has my colossal pet peeve of "no opening theme and here it is in the ending credits in the first episode" shtick a lot of modern anime try too hard to appeal to.... Actually who is that made for? It doesn't draw me in, it makes you look unprofessional and unable to time episodes properly. Fortunately SOME anime these days finally went back to the basic standard of "here is the opening and ending sequences with their themes in their proper places even in the first episode". You are not a prologue, you are the first episode.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

I was talking about the main girl of each series. And even if you count all girls, most of them are still useless. Sure, there are some bad ass girls here and there but majority of them are not.First: Just because a girl doesn't fight in a Mobile Suit or actively in the military doesn't make her useless. For example: Frau Bow in MSG was very good help as a medic. And she even encouraged Amuro to snap out from his EMO-ness.

Second: In the past, I already replied to some poster that belittle the women in Gundams. You can consider it as my reply to your post too. See below:
But there's potential she won't create terrible or useless female characters in the Gundam show; they will be a step above all the past ones, right?I probably like HSI's Ohana and True Tears' Noe more than any Gundam female character, so yeah, that's a very possible advantage with Okada here.Are you all implying that previous Gundam series only have terrible or useless female characters? No way, far from it. How far do you actually know the franchise? There’s a lot of badass or empowered female characters (that don’t just scream and wait to be helped by the males, heck they even save the males’ lives) which is prominent throughout the Gundam franchise:

MS Gundam: Sayla Mass, Crowley Hamon, Matilda Ajan, Kycilia Zabi (evil, but smart and competent leader), heck even Frau Bow and Mirai Yashima are useful and resourceful characters.
MS Zeta Gundam: Emma Sheen, Lila Rira, Reccoa Londe, Mouar Farao, Four Murasame (she is a strong woman that is meant for tragedy), and Haman Karn (A female character that is Char’s equal. That itself should say a lot. She put many other modern and today’s anime female characters to shame),
MS Gundam ZZ (Double-Zeta): Roux Louka, Ple/Puru Two, Haman Karn (her awesomeness is reduced but still a great character nonetheless)
Gundam 0080: Christina MacKenzie (official pilot of the main Gundam. Yes, you hear that right, a female who pilots the only Gundam in her own series and is pretty badass in it).

Those are only four of the oldest entry from UC timeline. All of those are impressive achievements considering the era they were released. There are other great female-characters from other UC outings as well as from Alternate Universe like Rain Mikamura (G Gundam), Lady Une (Gundam Wing), Ennil El (Gundam X), Murrue Ramius (Gundam SEED), Talia Gladys (SEED Destiny), Sumeragi/Lisa Kujoh (Gundam 00), I can go on and on, but I think you’re smart enough to get the point by now.

But to be fair, if there is a Gundam series that deserve your derision in treating its female characters, it’s Gundam AGE. Why? Because almost all of the main female characters are treated as spoils or walking wombs for the MCs to marry and impregnate. That’s one of many things why the fans hate it, and it was a disaster both creatively and financially.

Yeah, that's actually what disappoints me the most here. I've always thought it would be neat to have a Gundam or Gundam-style show with the ace pilot MC being a female characterChristina Mackenzie and her "Alex" would like to say hi

http://www.gamekyo.com/images_1/3264347b0bc4ef2c558cf9639aebc04320131211182744.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSEl77w9X-P4I_COAEzKvtJuBo78uodDpHnKMpWyYOjJ4qhB3D5
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She pilots the only Gundam in Gundam 0080 OVAs. Granted it's "just" a mini series and the story unfolds from the POV of a grade-school kid. So yeah, Sunrise/Bandai still owe Gundam-fans a female MC for the long-running TV-series.

Also, why is everyone saying gundam has no strong female character? Haman Karn is greatHaman can definitely crush most other anime female characters in terms of independency (to men), charisma, leadership, authority, and the overall empowerment.

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Not to mention she's a rather charming antagonist and a great character overall. Oh, and she beat Char the Red Comet in Mobile Suit fights too.

[Daft]

Has it been stated how old the Third Group is? I'm just wondering because Mika is really short. :heh:
I'm looking forward to the assortment of melee weapons Barbatos will seemingly acquire from his enemies. Will it be getting a gun though?

[Wandering Soul]

So far this is off to a good start. Mika and Ogra's relationship seems interesting and it also seems like it will be a highlight of this series. Ogra is giving off some death flag vibes though. There is also the possibility that he becomes snow antagonist.

Mika's talk with the princess was my favorite part of this episode. Kudelia seems likable enough and I can't wait to see what the series does with her.

[Anh_Minh]

It was all very nice. I liked the music, and I liked the action.

I kinda wonder where the blood in the last scene came from, though.

I also wonder about those inspectors. They have good guys' physiques, with bad guys' conversation.

[Hmm....]

First: Just because a girl doesn't fight in a Mobile Suit or actively in the military doesn't make her useless. For example: Frau Bow in MSG was very good help as a medic. And she even encouraged Amuro to snap out from his EMO-ness.

Second: In the past, I already replied to some poster that belittle the women in Gundams. You can consider it as my reply to your post too. See below:
If you are content with Aina end up like Frau Bow then good for you. I won't question you for it. Let's just say I won't be impressed (if you really dislike the term useless). The most I can see Aina can become would be something like Relena Darlian or Lacus Clyne and I wouldn't call that impressive either.

Christina Mackenzie........ You see, I like her a lot. But look at her screentime, very little. And she spent most of the series as an innocent neighbor girl. It took the last minute of the very last episode to reveal that she is actually Gundam pilot all along. My feeling ? Wow, that was cool. I wish she got more screentime. Yes, I do understand why she didn't. It's because 0080 is a story about Al, a kid who suddenly face actual war. She is not a focus. That is precisely it. Women seldom get focused in Gundam seires. And I doubt it will change this time around.

We can go on and on about other female characters but it will be quite off topic. As Aina won't become like them anyway.

[askara]

yay first great proper gundam series since Gundam 00.

[monster]

Has it been stated how old the Third Group is? I'm just wondering because Mika is really short. :heh: At first, I would've blamed it on malnutrition, but his muscles clearly go against that explanation. Height also has to do with genetics, not just age.

[cyth]

Damn, the grit is real. Finally, a Gundam series where pilots aren't effeminate or emotionally unstable whiners.

[Ryuga]

That's probabaly because Mikazuki has undergone the Alaya-Vignana treatment three times and survived according to the HG 1/144 Gundam Barbatos manual. I think increases their spatial awareness or something.

I guess that kinda explains Biscuit sensing the other reactor if the treatment gives them abilities? Was wondering what was up with that....

[Skye629]

Bummed that this does not work on YT, oh well. So is this series gonna be airing in the same timeslot every week?

I also noticed most of the footage they used from the trailers was from this episode, thats nice they did not give away much

Great start imo



I see... true to the world setting given to us, due to the tremendous strain on the pilot (see blood on Mikazuki), Gundams have even become "white elephants" like relics to those who can't use it, the main forces just freaking left it behind when they escaped! Yeah I mean it's funny to think about.... :heh:

Actually the main reason they left it behind are: 1. It would have immediately have signaled everyone that they were fleeing, since the base power would have instantly been cut off. 2. Im pretty sure the enemy would have noticed a giant white MS being carted around if they tired to escape with it lol

I feel lost even though I'm not. I actively avoided announcements and trailers aside from the first to keep my mind as open as possible. Most Gundam series take thirty seconds to a minute to explain the factions fighting and why, here.... Not so much. The only other series that didn't do this were Turn A (insert eye roll here) and G-Reco. Who is fighting who? Any particular reason why Mars wants to be independent? What is Gjallhorn's role? Where did Barbatos Gundam come from? (granted I do know it's an old machine that was recovered, but every Gundam series that introduces a new timeline attempts to world build, it's one of Japan's mascot sci-fi stories!). It also has my colossal pet peeve of "no opening theme and here it is in the ending credits in the first episode" shtick a lot of modern anime try too hard to appeal to.... Actually who is that made for? It doesn't draw me in, it makes you look unprofessional and unable to time episodes properly. Fortunately SOME anime these days finally went back to the basic standard of "here is the opening and ending sequences with their themes in their proper places even in the first episode". You are not a prologue, you are the first episode.

Yeah....I suggest you go back and at the VERY LEAST watch Trailer 2. It gives an extremely basic rundown on the timeline and factions while also naming all the characters mixed in with

[DMurphy]

Yeah....I suggest you go back and at the VERY LEAST watch Trailer 2. It gives an extremely basic rundown on the timeline and factions while also naming all the characters mixed in with

S/he shouldn't really have to, though. That information should really be in the first episode, not the trailers.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

If you are content with Aina end up like Frau Bow then good for you. I won't question you for it. Let's just say I won't be impressed (if you really dislike the term useless)......
Yes, I dislike the term "useless" since it implies that the character can't do anything right, has little to no purpose or function in the story and only drag the story down (which Frau Bow is not. She is the beloved & important part of WB crew that struggled with the rest of them). Like I said in my post, the worst offender of useless female characters are the women that became the wives of the Gundam pilots in AGE. Even Fllay is not that useless.

[Patriot's Blade]

so anyone else finds Danji's actions that resulted in his fate being stupid? yeah i know you were the bravest of them all but at least chill out man, you can try again another day without wasting your very own life because you failed today.

[Irenesharda]

This was a great first epsiode, I like all the orphan boys and I hope this stays on course. It's so refreshing after G-Reco.

Mika and Orga are cool, though Orga is the coolest of the two. Princess girl annoyed me at first since she seemed presumptuous, but I'm loved her talk with Mika and how he put her in her place without meaning to. She wants to share their pain, but doesn't even know the half of what they've went through. We'll see how her character grows in the show, and if she'll make the famous or the infamous Gundam Gals list.

But now the question is: Who shall be the Char Clone?

[germanturkey]

i like it. it has a lot of potential and the bar has been set high by the first ep. though the story line is a bit meh, particularly because aldnoah did the princess from mars thing already.

i disagree with people saying they should have talked about factions and stuff right off the get go. the slower reveal and the twists and turns make for better story telling. if you want info, go read a synopsis.

[brightman]

Gundam is back! A very strong start to this show, probably one of the strongest yet in Gundam, and its ripe with potential, this one... Great characters, great designs, great combat, tons of dramatic potential and the political intrigue. Its like they took a look at everything that they've done right and wrong the last couple of decades and are trying to make something that just works, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel like they've been doing since 00. Hope to see more from this for sure.

[Ryuga]

so anyone else finds Danji's actions that resulted in his fate being stupid?

I felt sorry for him lol. He was trying to be gung-ho and fight through his fears, but he was in tears throughout the battle. He saw the base being attacked and wanted to protect his friends but, well......

[Ryuuoh DeltaPlus]

Most Gundam girls are useless? I guess you haven't seen any Gundam before SEED Destiny? Heck, g 00 has badass Soma Peries and the tactician Sumeragi, and GBF/T has Aila & Fumina.

You forgot to mention Dianna Soriel and Kihel Heim

[prototype_sky]

yay first great proper gundam series since Gundam 00.

Definitely I hope it continues at this pace.

[Shlugo]

really, really liked the first episode! It did good job establishing the characters, and showing their lives and relations. The political background is bit vague beyond "Mars wants independence, Earth doesn't want it to be independent." but since this is Gundam, it will be greatly expanded in the near future. There's also some talk about technology.

The main characters are interesting group, sort of band of brothers who know they can count only on each other. While Orga appears to be the leader Mikazuki is the ace of the group and the two seems to be very close knit. Mikazuki has this calm but no-nonsense attitude, that could prove interesting in Gundam pilot.

I really like Aina! She has the right ideas and attitude, but seems to be bit sheltered and will probably have to learn a thing or two through her character arc. She has makings of excellent heroine.

The action was great, especially at the end, when Barbatos showed up. Can't wait for the next episode, to see more of it.

This could be the Gundam series I've been waiting years for, as long as they can keep it as good as this episode promises.

[IceHism]

Wow, this was a lot more bleak than I would have expected from a Okada mari + nagai work. All the male characters seem to ooze masculinity which is an interesting thing to see for me. The princess is naive but I can see a lot of potential development. Though i hope that they do something new in developing the princess instead of the usual.

Great action and there was so much information here but i felt that the show was still engaging and easy to watch.

[Skaddix]

Thought Biscuit would be a joke seems comptent though and the book smart one.

Orga as the Tactical Genius and Mika as the Ace.... Reminds me of Lelouch and Suzaki I guess.

[DragoonKain3]

That "CLANG!" sound when the gundam connected with its weapon was so satisfying. It really did sound like a giant mechanized suit banging on another, and with Mika doing it to that guy just made it more exhilarating. I dunno, it's a very nice change of pace from lazer swords cleanly cutting enemy units, rapid-fire gun noises, or explosions everywhere with missiles in other mecha anime. I can't think of any other mecha title that goes with blunt weapons, so this feels like unique from all the recent titles. I like it!

I haven't been pumped up for a Gundam since 00. I have only an inkling of what is going on politically since it did go a bit fast, but the mobile armor vs mobile armor battle was fantastic. Heck, it's even believable that those puny guns that they're equipped with can't do nothing against mobile suits, unlike other titles where face-on mobile armor artillery hits don't do crap against suits because of plot armor. So I'm really digging this show, and considering what a weak cour this from the previews, I highly doubt anything is going to impress me more with their pilot episode.

[Fairy Water]

The first ep is good! :) I hope they could get better and better from now on!

While the chemistry between Orga and Mika is the light of this series, but that's why I feel Orga's death flag is raise high enough since ep 1. But I don't think he will die soon.

Still, how could they left a gundam back at the base and runaway like that? They should have known gundam is the ticket to victory -_-
Anyway, I would love to know who create Barbatos and how they have it.

[serenade_beta]

I've never watched Gundam before and this episode didn't seem to have much Gundam in it anyways, but it was a really catchy first episode. All of that tension, you know? The "bad guys" trying to escape, only to be used by the protagonist in a way only possible if the bad guys did what they did. the last minute saving... all works to make the audience cheer and get into it.

So as far as first episodes go, this one definitely has done the best this season so far.
Only thing that worries me is the script writer being Mari... Which usually results in bad quality, but lots of funny crap going on.

[Irenesharda]

While the chemistry between Orga and Mika is the light of this series, but that's why I feel Orga's death flag is raise high enough since ep 1. But I don't think he will die soon.



I really hope Orga gets a Gundam or something special, because he's gained way more death flags that one aught to have in the first episode. He's the best friend of the MC, he's the leader of the bunch and is a representation of their inspiration and spirit. He's vital to their group. The chances he survives the series is very slim, but I really like him, so I'm hoping. :uhoh:

[Galaxian]

I've never watched Gundam before and this episode didn't seem to have much Gundam in it anyways,

That actually happens a lot in this franchise. Many first episodes end right after the MC gets on the Gundam and shots down an enemy.


So as far as first episodes go, this one definitely has done the best this season so far.

I agree, and I've see far more new series this season than what I usually watch.

[Yan3242]

The show give a strong "band of brothers" vibe which is good.

What iam worried is how they prtray orga and mika Relationship, gurren lagan is all about friendship and power of justice, this show doesnt look like about that kind of stuff, orga seems ambitous and pridefull while mika is passive (waiting for "order") but straight to action when called (ear pull, handshake, ambush scene kinda show his reaction)

The show could gone "best bro" with they stay in their role (mika doing the combat and action while orga is the "captain" and doing all the tacticool planning)

Or it could went typical best bro anime trope, some moral conflict with betrayal episode yadayada, become enemy until an epic fight occur then become best bro 1 final time before 1 of them die and "i will avenge you" plot

Pls sunrise just let it stay band of brothers :heh: dont put unnacessary drama :uhoh:

[The 48th Ronin]

Those two Gjallarhorn dudes have this Treize-Zechs vibes on them.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

But now the question is: Who shall be the Char Clone?FWIW Someone on Youtube already pointed out that the scene between McGillis & Gaelio is like watching Char & Garma, or like Captain Orange mentioned above, Treize & Zechs. :uhoh:

Pls sunrise just let it stay band of brothers :heh: dont put unnacessary drama :uhoh:When the one who wrote this show is Mari Okada and her pal, you should expect (melo)drama regardless of whether or not it's necessary. True or not, only god and Sunrise know. But at least we've come prepared :cool:.

[Irenesharda]

FWIW Someone on Youtube already pointed out that the scene between McGillis & Gaelio is like watching Char & Garma, or like Captain Orange mentioned above, Treize & Zechs. :uhoh:


I definitely got the Char and Garma vibes when I saw the two of them together. Now we just have to get McGillis to go up a few ranks to get that red uniform, and have him injure his face or something in an explosion, and there you go!

He definitely already has the suave self-assured nature, leadership qualities, and custom mobile suit. And he's blond! All he needs is the red and the appropriate facial disguise. :heh:

[Darthtabby]

Am I the only person who was bothered by the guys piloting their mechs shirtless as a matter of course? :heh:

Then again, one could argue that's no worse than the outfits a lot of female mech pilots have to put up with.

[Wandering Soul]

Am I the only person who was bothered by the guys piloting their mechs shirtless as a matter of course? :heh:

Then again, one could argue that's no worse than the outfits a lot of female mech pilots have to put up with.
It makes sense they pilot like that considering they need the implants on their neck to connect to their mechs to pilot. I guess they didn't have more convenient clothing available at the moment.

[Irenesharda]

Am I the only person who was bothered by the guys piloting their mechs shirtless as a matter of course? :heh:

Then again, one could argue that's no worse than the outfits a lot of female mech pilots have to put up with.

They have to because of that system that connect them to their mobile workers. It would be weird and ridiculous trying to work a shirt around that, so why bother. It's also probably why there are no females working there. You couldn't plausibly fit a bra around that, unless it was some sort of backless top.

Actually considering what all these boys had to go through in getting those things and having their body mutilated for this crappy job, it actually is more depressing to see that them piloting with their shirts off. It's just a constant reminder of the hell they've had to go through at this place.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

They have to because of that system that connect them to their mobile workers. It would be weird and ridiculous trying to work a shirt around that, so why bother. It's also probably why there are no females working there. You couldn't plausibly fit a bra around that, unless it was some sort of backless top.

Actually considering what all these boys had to go through in getting those things and having their body mutilated for this crappy job, it actually is more depressing to see that them piloting with their shirts off. It's just a constant reminder of the hell they've had to go through at this place.There’s also another possibility that Okada wants to give some manservice for the female audience. So...Irene, did you enjoy the sight of the topless boys in this ep? :D

[Yan3242]

Am I the only person who was bothered by the guys piloting their mechs shirtless as a matter of course?

Eh i was just under assumption it was night time and most of them in the middle of sleeping. There a glimpse whats their room like and there is no aircon, fan or even ventilation from the look of it, so sleeping without shirt is kinda make sense for me, ambush happen and they just react to it like a proper soldier and yeah those back plug thingy also on the way.

Iam sure later on they have a proper "suit" for it.

[Patriot's Blade]

so who else laugh at this quote?: "gosh are they rich or something? they're firing so much."

that pretty much sums up characters who overkill spam their ammunition inefficiently while acting blind as in failing to hit key targets in the process without thinking of the cost of said ammo lost to replace that doesn't yield any progress at all in the mission & the poor sponsors that had to buy them. :heh:

[Yan3242]

so who else laugh at this quote?: "gosh are they rich or something? they're firing so much."

*raise hand* i got a good chuckle from it :heh:

I laugh more at the sniper scene, after a cool silent sniping, the flare goes up and both snipers is like "eeeeh?" :heh: and considering they going to brig as punishment is even better if they come back alive that is :p

I like how they put the comedy in non obvious way like the password for the safe (something with female dog.... Why female dog of all thing :heh:)

And iam the only who notice the princess "maid" just exit the stage just like that? I hope thats not the last time we see her, just weird seeing her gone just like that.

[FlareKnight]

Am I the only person who was bothered by the guys piloting their mechs shirtless as a matter of course? :heh:

Then again, one could argue that's no worse than the outfits a lot of female mech pilots have to put up with.I figured they did it because those things are probably not all that well air conditioned :).

But the point about the back implants might also be valid. Sneak attack and just easier to toss the shirt and get the heck out there to fight.

[Patriot's Blade]

you should probably see Kill la Kill's NUDIST BEACH~ an army who, true to their namesake, pilots mechs butt naked intentionally, all while looking uncomfortable :heh:

[Terrestrial Dream]

Well, every Gundam show where there is a desire for independence would have an economic reason as part of it. I suppose so, but maybe this Gundam will have bigger emphasis on social-economic parts of it. I always felt that most of the Gundam, if not all, always leaned towards ideological conflict.

I really hope Orga gets a Gundam or something special, because he's gained way more death flags that one aught to have in the first episode. He's the best friend of the MC, he's the leader of the bunch and is a representation of their inspiration and spirit. He's vital to their group. The chances he survives the series is very slim, but I really like him, so I'm hoping. :uhoh: I don't see any death flag fro Orga, for now at least. But the way he emphasis on how he isn't going to die seems to indicate he will do whatever it takes to survive, even betraying someone.

[Skaddix]

Eh I think u can wear a shirt it might be harder for women because bra placement but for a dude u just need to cut a hole in the back of your shirt not that hard.

[00 raizer]

The first ep is good! :) I hope they could get better and better from now on!

While the chemistry between Orga and Mika is the light of this series, but that's why I feel Orga's death flag is raise high enough since ep 1. But I don't think he will die soon.

Still, how could they left a gundam back at the base and runaway like that? They should have known gundam is the ticket to victory -_-
Anyway, I would love to know who create Barbatos and how they have it.


maybe they use the gundam as the source of ahab reactor to power up the base...or maybe because the gundam will burdened its pilot,as you can see it may the other reason why mika was bleeding...

[Yan3242]

Still, how could they left a gundam back at the base and runaway like that? They should have known gundam is the ticket to victory -_-

Think i read it somewhere (synopsis? Preview?) that the gundam is old relic war machine that use nuclear as it output, they probably use it to power the base or maybe just save it for last trump card because its dangerous.

And the scene where mika bleeding inside the cockpit is also something need to be explain later, probably something with his back implant.

My take is stronger suit need more implant slot and more restrain (mobile worker require 1, normal suit require 2, gundam require 3 something like that maybe?)

[monster]

I suppose so, but maybe this Gundam will have bigger emphasis on social-economic parts of it. I always felt that most of the Gundam, if not all, always leaned towards ideological conflict. I would say every conflict is ideological in nature. Social economics is simply a tool. It is the conflicting ideologies (for example, achieving and maintaining a better living condition for a certain group of people at the expense of another group of people) that are at the source of conflicts.

[Mubyoshi]

Well I hope this is more similar to 00 than that Reconguista where I didn't understand what the fuck was going on even after 18 episodes in.

[Duo Maxwell]

I would say every conflict is ideological in nature. Social economics is simply a tool. It is the conflicting ideologies (for example, achieving and maintaining a better living condition for a certain group of people at the expense of another group of people) that are at the source of conflicts.

Isn't it always the other way around? The source of conflict between large organization always based on economy related problem, and ideology is just a mask to smooth over political aspect?

[Irenesharda]

Eh i was just under assumption it was night time and most of them in the middle of sleeping. There a glimpse whats their room like and there is no aircon, fan or even ventilation from the look of it, so sleeping without shirt is kinda make sense for me, ambush happen and they just react to it like a proper soldier and yeah those back plug thingy also on the way.

Iam sure later on they have a proper "suit" for it.

You can see in their training earlier that is during the day that they don't wear shirts then either. It's just how they are able to pilot with that system and the implants they are required to have.
And considering how they treat these boys, do you really think they would take the time and money to create specialized suits for them when it's way cheaper to just fight without a shirt?
You can see some who had shirts on prior to the battle like Mika and Danji during the battle, take off said shirts when they begin to pilot. It's not a choice, it's standard procedure for them.

There’s also another possibility that Okada wants to give some manservice for the female audience. So...Irene, did you enjoy the sight of the topless boys in this ep? :D

It would be if any of the guy were bishie/sexy to look at, but that's not their kind of design. For me personally, seeing them like that doesn't qualify as "manservice", and I quote:
it actually is more depressing to see that them piloting with their shirts off. It's just a constant reminder of the hell they've had to go through at this place.

I really just feel sorry for what they had to go through, and sympathy for them. It's like having the mecha space version of Oliver Twist with guns.

Eh I think u can wear a shirt it might be harder for women because bra placement but for a dude u just need to cut a hole in the back of your shirt not that hard.

Their bosses are not going to pay for a bunch of customized shirts, and they also have to attach that attachment piece, which would mean the hole in their shirts would have to be huge. It's much easier just to pilot topless.


I don't see any death flag fro Orga, for now at least. But the way he emphasis on how he isn't going to die seems to indicate he will do whatever it takes to survive, even betraying someone.

Really? He's way too devoted to these boys. His "not going to die" line is more of his expression of will and his desire to keep living to find a better place to be. It was about his determination and his inspiration to the others who were afraid. He's not going to betray these guys, they are way too close. He became their leader for a reason. They trust him they are like family to him. I can see the ex-leader Eugene maybe being a turncoat, but not Orga.
Orga's very position as being that inspiring figure for his men, and the best friend of the MC who pretty much follows his every lead, give him some very huge death flags. Inspirational characters, tend to get killed off to provide development and even more inspiration and drive. Especially in main character who wouldn't have had much autonomous drive to start with.

[Patriot's Blade]

Well I hope this is more similar to 00 than that Reconguista where I didn't understand what the fuck was going on even after 18 episodes in.

well G-Reco was meant to be sort of a sequel after Victory, but that does not explain on where the hell all the O'Neil cylinder colonies went, i mean kilometers long man made space islands just vanished into thin air? (or vacuum of space for the correct term) but One Year War units managed to be intact & fossilized after getting nuked? to me it still does not blend well with the U.C. timeline.....

just noticed that they also used trainer Mobile Workers to fight Gjallarhorn that happens to be garishly colored, with Mikazuki's being foreshadowing white, that one guy piloting a blue one......... & that other guy who had to pilot a PINK one, fabulous~!!! real men wear pink!! :heh:

[cyth]

It would be if any of the guy were bishie/sexy to look at, but that's not their kind of design. For me personally, seeing them like that doesn't qualify as "manservice", and I quote:We'll have to ask a girl about that. :D Personally I thought it was quite ingenious how they integrated shirtless guys into it. I definitely think they can wear shirts too, and I'll bet we'll start seeing those once time constraints kick in. That way animators won't have to embarrass themselves because the six-pack didn't jiggle that particular week. :D

[Hmm....]

S/he shouldn't really have to, though. That information should really be in the first episode, not the trailers.
I think this is common Gundam fomula, no ? Each Gundam lore is usually too complicated to fit in a single episode anyway. So Sunrise usually start first episode with characters introduction. Politic talks and factions detail usually follow from ep2 onward. Once they get you hooked with characters they can take their time introducing other piece of information bit by bit. Gundam 00 also worked that way.

I think this is better format than bombarding us with composition for two-third of the first episode (AKA Heavy Object). It run the risk of viewers drop it out right and the the information will likely be incomplete anyway.



I actually didn't noticed anything about topless guys. They look so natural, I didn't question it. Now that you guys mentioned it. It's true. They are setting up a stage for whole lots of fujo material. :heh:

[bigdeath]

i think its more like a Cyber Newtype procedure except leaving visible traces of it on the subject's body.

Its looks to me more like a direct connection to the nervous system like battletech's neurohelmet. Designed so that some parts of the mobile suit (such as balanced) can be controlled by the pilot's automatic nervous system. Its an actually probably technology being used in a gundam show, shocking. lol

Overall, I'm super excited by this first episode. Gundam finally returning to its routes, a war between interesting human factions, both of which seem corrupt. Its going to be fun watching Barbatos going medieval with its oversized mace.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

We'll have to ask a girl about that. :DAs far as I know, Irenesharda is a girl. So, when it comes to manservice, her opinion matters, no? :heh:

[monster]

Isn't it always the other way around? The source of conflict between large organization always based on economy related problem, and ideology is just a mask to smooth over political aspect? Well, the economy-related problem is only a problem because an ideology makes it a problem, like an ideology that says people should have a better standard of living.

Even in this first episode, we're introduced to the ideologies that are driving the girl, the girl's father, the leader of the kids, etc. All of those ideologies are motivating them to take certain actions which result in this battle.

[bigdeath]

yay first great proper gundam series since Gundam 00.

I hate Gundam 00, I find it a poorly paced show with gundams more invincible than Gundam wing and lacking any compelling villains. The gundams coming off as pseudo terrorists to me really doesn't help matters.

So yeah, its been a LONG time since I've seen a great proper gundam series (though I loved gundam unicorn).

[Hmm....]

Well, the economy-related problem is only a problem because an ideology makes it a problem, like an ideology that says people should have a better standard of living.

Even in this first episode, we're introduced to the ideologies that are driving the girl, the girl's father, the leader of the kids, etc. All of those ideologies are motivating them to take certain actions which result in this battle.
I can understand you point of view. However, I think economical issue is a more fundamental source of all conflicts. It's the root of the problem. Ideology is simply an approach to achieve that economical solution.

Yes, ideologies can help escalate conflicts because sometime even people with the same economical interest have different idea of how to approach the problem. Now, that is what I can consider pure ideologies conflict. It doesn't mean there is no economical interest behind it though.

People want better standard living not because some ideology dictate it so.
People want better standard living because it make their live better. That's why they have such ideology in the first place.

[SonicSP]

I haven't been pumped up for a Gundam since 00.

Same here, as someone who loved Gundam 00 a lot, I'm excited for this series. Definitely has the most similar feel to it than any other show since, at least for the moment.

A lot of the mecha designers also worked on 00. Barbatos in particular is designed by the guy who designed the Gundam Thrones and the guy who designed the Grazed designed Exia/00/GN-X/Reborns among a few others.

[Twi]

Same here, as someone who loved Gundam 00 a lot, I'm excited for this series. Definitely has the most similar feel to it than any other show since, at least for the moment.

A lot of the mecha designers also worked on 00. Barbatos in particular is designed by the guy who designed the Gundam Thrones and the guy who designed the Grazed designed Exia/00/GN-X/Reborns among a few others.

Me too. I haven't watched a Gundam since 00 in earnest. This had me hooked.

[SonicSP]

I can understand you point of view. However, I think economical issue is a more fundamental source of all conflicts. It's the root of the problem. Ideology is simply an approach to achieve that economical solution.

Yes, ideologies can help escalate conflicts because sometime even people with the same economical interest have different idea of how to approach the problem. Now, that is what I can consider pure ideologies conflict. It doesn't mean there is no economical interest behind it though.

People want better standard living not because some ideology dictate it so.
People want better standard living because it make their live better. That's why they have such ideology in the first place.

Personally I think it can be both and may be either based from conflict to conflict. I think poor economic background can lead to extreme ideologies being festered while at the same time I feel like I've seen ideology take over economic concerns before, in person too.

War is a good example of this. Technically speaking most wars are actually detrimental to economic trade at least in the modern globalized world. A lot of literature existed early in the 1900s where some writers think they'll never be another big war because the world is too well connected and is too economically unprofitable to partake in. However ideologies as well as some big political events led to things and World War I started......which also is closely connected to World War II.

It "may" lead to good riches such as United States being the only industrialized country to survive World War II with their industry base unscathed as well and the economic stimulus helping them out of the Great Depression but I feel like the end economic result was accidental rather than it being planned as such.

I feel like the two are always closely married though and are always and constantly interplaying with one another. In some cases they even may be the same thing such as communism and capitalism both being an ideology and an economic model of distribution in the Cold War.

[bigdeath]

Theres a disturbing lack of talk about the cute loli of this show. Quick, someone make an avatar for her. You'll win the internets. :p

[Yan3242]

all i want is a real battle with some tactic even a basic one will do, i had enough with both suit flying zig zag in the background only to zoom in when they doing the iconic beam saber clash, i want pieces get damage and parts flying, no clean mech after battle (looking at you seed destiny)

something like a fight between GP01 and 02 or gundam build fighter season 1 for more recent show.

btw, i like how the pairing setup is shown clearly at least for now :heh: (mika with that shopkeeper loli girl and orga with the princess)

[Twi]

Mika seems really dependent on Orga, and he's flying some death flags. Worrying.

[dragon1412]

I for once, never feel interest in Gundam series ever since Unicorn and 00. Frankly, looking at Reconquista Hideous Mecha design make me drop it instantly

I personally see more Villain flag on Orga compare to death flag.

[Yan3242]

^like i post before, orga seems prone to betrayal or at least "killing innocent" for the sake of his pride/ambition, but its still episode 1 so let just see whats coming ahead.

mika on the other hand seems like he knew that he is being "used" or maybe he just dont mind it because without orga he seems like he dont know what to do :uhoh:

[monster]

I can understand you point of view. However, I think economical issue is a more fundamental source of all conflicts. It's the root of the problem. Ideology is simply an approach to achieve that economical solution.

Yes, ideologies can help escalate conflicts because sometime even people with the same economical interest have different idea of how to approach the problem. Now, that is what I can consider pure ideologies conflict. It doesn't mean there is no economical interest behind it though.

People want better standard living not because some ideology dictate it so.
People want better standard living because it make their live better. That's why they have such ideology in the first place. The belief that people should have a better quality of life (as well as what it means to have it) is an ideology in itself. Of course, it's one that is held by many people, which is why economic issues are prevalent in conflicts.

[frubam]

Ah, that moment were fond memories resurface. (https://youtu.be/uY1iSTdTyO4?t=21m6s) =03

Really liked this first episode. That 08 MS feel in the beginning of the battle was great, and I hope they don't depart from this format anytime soon. I find it kind of ridiculous though that such a powerful MS would be owned by some random mercenary company whose president only cares about being rich(wouldn't they have sold it?), but in hindsight, its not much different than other gundam-accessing or gundamjacking beginnings. The lack of female presence scares me; I hope there will be decent female pilots this time, as the two shown in the first ep doesn't appear to have combat capabilities. Being part of a large mercenary company could spell big drama for our protagonists though, especially Mika, who seems over-reliant on Orga. Expecting good things from this show =03.

[SonicSP]

The belief that people should have a better quality of life (as well as what it means to have it) is an ideology in itself. Of course, it's one that is held by many people, which is why economic issues are prevalent in conflicts.

I think what Hmm meant was that economic issues are pretty big source of it even if it wasn't the conscious reason why people fight. Sometimes people fight reasons that aren't economical (independence from a foreign colonial master that's taking your land's resources for example) but the reason why they started fighting are economic related. Sometimes people do fight because they want more economic dependence (it being the ideology in itself) but sometimes people fight for an ideological reason that's unrelated to economics but economic conditions around them made them more perceptible to such ideologies in the first place as they do not have much else.

Of course, I also believe that some people choose to fight for ideological reasons before economic wise. Sometimes believe in an ideology can be quite strong, which would explain why some well off people fund or join terrorist groups or even armies.

Currently I'm re-reading this book called the "Rise and Fall of Great Powers" by Paul Kennedy. It's a pretty good read for this type of issue and is quite an interesting way to read so many historical great powers. Of course it also covers more than that as it also has quite a strong statistical base. It's actually quite an old book but quite good. It's good account geopolitics of the world from the last 1000 years up until Cold War era. Goes into great detail on military-political-economic aspect of it as well.

[Arya]

Not, bad, not bad. I was looking for something serious, even more after having watched HO premiere that was a letdown, and luckily Okada + Gundam did not disappoint so far. The tone of the show is the right one!
I've yet to get accustomed to the character design. Sure I'd preferred a less characterized set of characters, but it's not a big deal. The MC seems interesting and I have hopes, considered the writer, he won't be a deadpan for too long. Not a fan of 00's MC to be honest.
Princess Asseylum, ehm, the princess instead is under probation. Let's see where she will go from here.

[RES-01 Perses Gundam]

It has been so long since I literally cheered during a proper, archetypal Gundam series (I don't count GBF as one, but I still love it all the same). And probably one of the few times I give a 10/10 for an opening episode.

Granted, it's probably the same space vs Earth conflict again, but this opening left enough plot threads around for the producers to make a genuine attempt to put a gritter, more mature and sophisticated spin to the standard Gundam fare. It's like Gundam 00 all again. I guess it will never be as successful as SEED in reinvigorating the Gundam fandom, but it's probably time for Bandai to make a good series without getting bogged down by their commercial enterprises.

I especially loved the first few minutes of the episode, with minimal soundtrack to allow the series to do wonders through the writing alone. It's probably one of those creative choices that sets it apart from your typical Gundam offering, and a darn good one since it didn't leave me deflated for the rest of the episode.

[SonicSP]

Not, bad, not bad. I was looking for something serious, even more after having watched HO premiere that was a letdown, and luckily Okada + Gundam did not disappoint so far. The tone of the show is the right one!
I've yet to get accustomed to the character design. Sure I'd preferred a less characterized set of characters, but it's not a big deal. The MC seems interesting and I have hopes, considered the writer, he won't be a deadpan for too long. Not a fan of 00's MC to be honest.
Princess Asseylum, ehm, the princess instead is under probation. Let's see where she will go from here.

What's HO?

[Ryuga]

^
Guessing it stands for Heavy Object?

[Yan3242]

i havent see HO yet but i doubt its anything but serious, its like an alternate universe of gundam where the ball is the pinnacle of human technology :p

and i cant help thinking that giant massive ball is a KA. version of technodrome :heh:

[Arya]

What's HO?

^
Guessing it stands for Heavy Object?

Yep!
Sorry, I usually don't use acronyms, it just slipped this time :)

i havent see HO yet but i doubt its anything but serious, its like an alternate universe of gundam where the ball is the pinnacle of human technology :p

and i cant help thinking that giant massive ball is a KA. version of technodrome :heh: I don't want to go OT, but it's not a problem of the premise (I mean, you like it or not) it's just that it turned out to be a war-com, or so it seemed from the first episode.
And that's not what I look for this kind of stories.

[Yan3242]

i didnt meant to offense you or anything, it just how i look from it (trailer and preview), like i said i havent watch it so i just make a joke about it or is that wrong? just because its a discussion board its not like every post need to be "heavy" and "spot on" about the question

[Irenesharda]

We'll have to ask a girl about that. :D Personally I thought it was quite ingenious how they integrated shirtless guys into it. I definitely think they can wear shirts too, and I'll bet we'll start seeing those once time constraints kick in. That way animators won't have to embarrass themselves because the six-pack didn't jiggle that particular week. :D

First, umm.....I AM a girl. I know the female Gundam fan population is a small minority, but we DO exist. :heh:

Second, I don’t know many women who want to see abs "jiggle" We usually prefer them rock solid. And while I'm only one woman’s opinion, no I don't see these guys as "manservice". It would be different if it was Char, Zechs, and half the casts of Seed and 00 were piloting around shirtless, then you might have a case. But a majority of these kids are muscular but small, wiry, and malnourished. I feel sympathetic towards them more than anything, and I appreciate their inner fortitude.

Also bare skin and muscles alone won't do, you can be the hottest designed character in the world, but if he has the personality of a fop, or is an arrogant, chauvinistic pig, then the guy loses all attractiveness.

[Arya]

^ One of the finest representatives if I may add. i didnt meant to offense you or anything, it just how i look from it (trailer and preview), like i said i havent watch it so i just make a joke about it or is that wrong? just because its a discussion board its not like every post need to be "heavy" and "spot on" about the question

Don't worry, I was not offended by any means, I didn't mean to come across as such at all. I just didn't want to go into details in the Gundam subforum :p

[Yan3242]

Yeah you right i guess.

*i finally watched it just now and... Let just say G-tekketsu has more "omph" than HO, not by all mean its bad though but gundam is way cooler afterall :p

[dragon1412]

Yeah you right i guess.

*i finally watched it just now and... Let just say G-tekketsu has more "omph" than HO, not by all mean its bad though but gundam is way cooler afterall :p

The genre is different, I like Gundam design more than HO, but in term of technology, HO beat Gundam for me.

[Irenesharda]

The genre is different, I like Gundam design more than HO, but in term of technology, HO beat Gundam for me.

Well, it's not that they have different genres, both are of the mecha genre, but it's how they've decided to approach their particular plots. Heavy Object has a much more comedic angle and while the background fights are serious, the everyday life of the characters is more laid back and played for laughs.

[aohige]

I loved it

It's like 08MS made love with Dougram and out came a baby Gundam.

[LoweGear]

[URLI find it kind of ridiculous though that such a powerful MS would be owned by some random mercenary company whose president only cares about being rich(wouldn't they have sold it?)

All of the promotional material for the show mention that the Barbatos was being used as the CGS' main energy supply, aka their power generator. Hence why in the anime the Barbatos is stored in the aptly named Engine Room, hooked up to the facility.

[LightningZERO]

All of the promotional material for the show mention that the Barbatos was being used as the CGS' main energy supply, aka their power generator. Hence why in the anime the Barbatos is stored in the aptly named Engine Room, hooked up to the facility.

Just rewatched the episode and I found that you can actually see the CGS building light switched off near the end of the episode, indicating Barbatos has been disconnected and ready for action.

Nice touch

[Patriot's Blade]

while the Gundam Barbatos seemingly ended up having a less dignified version of the 00 Gundams' role of being also used as a main power source, ever wondered why its original pilot abandoned it 300 years ago despite it being still functioning well even till the present day despite the deterioration by age?, could it be that the pilot joined the martian population & his/her descendants is now among them?

[SonicSP]

while the Gundam Barbatos seemingly ended up having a less dignified version of the 00 Gundams' role of being also used as a main power source, ever wondered why its original pilot abandoned it 300 years ago despite it being still functioning well even till the present day despite the deterioration by age?, could it be that the pilot joined the martian population & his/her descendants is now among them?

It was supposedly a brutal war and the Gundams are capable of achieving high output due to the parallel use of the Ahab Furnaces. The Ahabs apparently had something to do with it so it wouldn't surprise me if someone wanted to abandon it if they felt it. This is especially true if Barbatos was personally involved in causing the calamity and being the main Gundam, I'm betting my money that it was involved somehow.

There's also the possibility that it wasn't purposely abandoned. For all we know when CGS found it there was a dead skeleton inside the cockpit. It would be interesting if Barbatos's personal history would get a play in the plot though especially if Barbatos had a reputation or something.

[Wandering Soul]

Theres a disturbing lack of talk about the cute loli of this show. Quick, someone make an avatar for her. You'll win the internets. :p
Not much to talk about. Seems like she'll have a bigger role next episode though.

[blakstealth]

Man, I liked the first episode a lot. It's been so long since I've watched a Gundam show. The main Gundam looks sick with all the edges and shiet.

[monster]

I think what Hmm meant was that economic issues are pretty big source of it even if it wasn't the conscious reason why people fight. Sometimes people fight reasons that aren't economical (independence from a foreign colonial master that's taking your land's resources for example) but the reason why they started fighting are economic related. Sometimes people do fight because they want more economic dependence (it being the ideology in itself) but sometimes people fight for an ideological reason that's unrelated to economics but economic conditions around them made them more perceptible to such ideologies in the first place as they do not have much else.

Of course, I also believe that some people choose to fight for ideological reasons before economic wise. Sometimes believe in an ideology can be quite strong, which would explain why some well off people fund or join terrorist groups or even armies.

Currently I'm re-reading this book called the "Rise and Fall of Great Powers" by Paul Kennedy. It's a pretty good read for this type of issue and is quite an interesting way to read so many historical great powers. Of course it also covers more than that as it also has quite a strong statistical base. It's actually quite an old book but quite good. It's good account geopolitics of the world from the last 1000 years up until Cold War era. Goes into great detail on military-political-economic aspect of it as well. Well, what I'm saying is that you can't separate issues from ideologies. An economic issue still has an ideology behind it that makes it an issue.

For example, why does the lady in this episode wants independence? Probably because she wants a better life for Mars and thinks independence is the first step to that. Why does she thinks the Martians need/deserve a better life? Probably because she sees the rest of the Martians are suffering and she made a judgment call that it is wrong for them to suffer even when her own family is living relatively well.

In other words, her ideology determines that there is an economic issue that needs to be solved. Her parents' ideologies, on the other hand, might make them think there is no issue as long as they themselves are fine.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Hello all, I've not bothered to resurrect my old account so I made a new one. I felt motivated to post for the first time in years as I found this series quite interesting.

Here's some analysis and predictions based on the first episode.

At a high level, it looks like we're going to see Mars have a second war of independence after enough build-up. It's a 5 month round trip to Earth so that means if Mars does try then it'll take a long time for Earth to be able to properly respond. This makes it a lot more practical and it felt like foreshadowing when it was said that the last war started more because of a lack of communication. It would be interesting to know what it is that makes Mars economically important to Earth even though it seems depleted of resources. Probably something to do with the special engine technology.

The boys have already rebelled against the adults, a theme we'll see at a planetary scale later on I'm sure. They're going to be fully independent for a while and hunted by Gjallarhorn. I expect that will slowly build up and though they'll be outlaws they'll also get respect from the citizens for being able to stand up to the might of Earth, which is suddenly going to seem less mighty and less threatening.

Aina has effectively been rebelling against her father for some time now to the extent that he's sold her out. In that sense she has some things in common with the boys already. The boys got sold out by the adults in the same episode even. I expect her to become the political leader of the kids - she, Orga and Biscuit will probably be the brains of the outfit.

On the character side, Mika doesn't have to much depth yet but is interesting. He seems content to leave the big decisions to Orga and just do his job. I expect him to slowly grow out of that comfortable dependency as he becomes increasingly critical to the survival of the kids. He makes a good team with Orga for now and I'd expect that to re-stabilise after a bit of a falling out, probably coinciding with Orga getting his own Gundam. He wasn't willing to shake Aina's hand but I'm sure we'll see that soon enough - depending how much she helped out with getting Barbatos ready her hands might already be dirty enough to match his.

Orga is more interesting right now - he has internal conflicts. He has both pride and realism, so though he accepts the situation he doesn't agree with it - he hasn't "surrendered". It seems that Mika is indirectly pushing him as he feels he has to be someone Mika respects else their relationship will break down. His little talk with the old man engineer before the CM break is quite revealing of his character. He seems highly capable as a commander type and the kids surviving the attack will be much more about his tactical choices to make the best uses of the resources at hand, though obviously having a Gundam and Mika around helps a lot.

It'll be interesting to see what he does after the initial attack. They've already been attacked by Gjallarhorn and it would be suicidal to stay. I suspect he would prefer to go into hiding but not particularly like having to do so. It'll be interesting to see how he deals with Aina. I assume he has realised that she is the cause of the attack. Will he sell her out / abandon her to protect his friends or will he realise that there's likely no going back and it would be better to "use" her. He seems pretty street-wise so would likely pick the later pretty quickly but be somewhat conflicted over it.

I think Orga would react quite badly to Mika becoming more independent. I don't think he wants Mika to be dependant upon him - it's more like he wants Mika's respect, I'd say. I'm sure we'll see a crisis point where Orga makes a decision and Mika disagrees and disobeys Orga and it turns out to be the right choice. But I'm guessing that'll be more of a once-off and their relationship will re-stabilise and mature.

Aina might seem a bit bland at first but I see a lot of potential in her. Though she doesn't actually do much in the episode (making it easy to overlook her) she has clearly been active. In fact, she's dangerous enough that her own father sold her out! She's considered the figurative leader of the independence movement already. She is young and naive but she knows she has a lot of learn and is trying. There's a lot of things she's not - she's not some hopeless romantic, she's not preaching, she's not stuck-up or easily offended/annoyed etc. Though she was shocked at the possibility of being killed she quickly got over it and offered to help. I hope she is developed well as she could become an excellent female lead.

It'll be interesting to see how she reacts to finding out her father sold her out. If she deals with it reasonably well then I'm going to bet on the following: she finds out without him realising it until too late and at some point Gjallarhorn will take him hostage and threaten to kill him unless Aina surrenders. I would bet that Aina refuses to surrender and then Gjallarhorn are in a real pickle (assuming they did it publicly) since if they back down they look weak and stupid and if they go ahead and kill him then that'll turn all the city lords on Mars against them. In short, I'll bet that it won't be the daughter's death that becomes an "icon" of Mars independence but daddy's instead. And when that happens I'll consider it poetic justice and laugh.

[Anh_Minh]

^like i post before, orga seems prone to betrayal or at least "killing innocent" for the sake of his pride/ambition, but its still episode 1 so let just see whats coming ahead.

I don't know what the future holds for him, but I don't think it's fair to call it "pride and ambition". It's not like he wants to conquer the world or anything. He's been made to eat a lot of shit sandwiches over the years, and would like for it to stop, that's all.

To quote Bujold: "I don't want power. I just object to idiots having power over me."

[Rising Dragon]

What he did to the First Group was a rather cold move, but it was also a pragmatic one for deserving traitors and cowards. I can't blame Orga for the move.

[Tenzen12]

Well, it's not that they have different genres, both are of the mecha genre, but it's how they've decided to approach their particular plots. Heavy Object has a much more comedic angle and while the background fights are serious, the everyday life of the characters is more laid back and played for laughs.

Well HO is written by Kamachi, so it will have epic fights and dramatic back story. In other hand Orphans has Okada...

As far as first episodes goes I enjoyed the this Gundam more, but I don't expect it last long...

[bigdeath]

What he did to the First Group was a rather cold move, but it was also a pragmatic one for deserving traitors and cowards. I can't blame Orga for the move.

It wasn't really a cold move at all. He didn't set up first group to run into an ambush. He just made sure the cowards had no choice but to fight. Really, the first group should be courtmartialed for desertion, especially since they were effectively abandoning their princess.

[monster]

Really, the first group should be courtmartialed for desertion, especially since they were effectively abandoning their princess. Do we know enough about their organization to make this kind of statement?

[bigdeath]

Do we know enough about their organization to make this kind of statement?

Their mission was to protect the princess, so yes, they were abandoning their mission. The first group is suppose to be in charge of the iron orphans which means they just decided to skip town at the first sign of trouble. Pathetic.

[Tenzen12]

First group seemed to know who is after them. Fighting that difficult pronounce organization that is known to have large number of MS is insane.

Abandoning comrades is of course unforgivable, but they never considered Orphans to be comrades in first place, so I guess it was on choice.

[bigdeath]

First group seemed to know who is after them. Fighting that difficult pronounce organization that is known to have large number of MS is insane.

Abandoning comrades is of course unforgivable, but they never considered Orphans to be comrades in first place, so I guess it was on choice.

Except they also abandoned the princess, guarding her was their mission. Just because your enemy is overwhelmingly powerful doesn't give soldiers the right to run from battle. Especially when they also abandon the princess as well. Thats still desertion. They should all be court-martialed. You could say Orga saved their butts because now they are stuck in battle anyway.

All that said, we the viewers know that the king has sold out his own daughter but it doesn't seem like the soldiers in the battle know that.

[Tenzen12]

Yes, better die in battle than live in shame! (Lol). I myself would have problem sell other human being, but to run away? Not even for second. If there is no chance for win, there is no point in trying.

Also your claim was incorrect, only group three (and not even all of them) was supposed guard princess, she didn't paid for whole mercenary group.

[bigdeath]

Yes, better die in battle than live in shame! (Lol). I myself would have problem sell other human being, but to run away? Not even for second. If there is no chance for win, there is no point in trying.

Also your claim was incorrect, only group three (and not even all of them) was supposed guard princess, she didn't paid for whole mercenary group.

Hahaha, I'd love to see that mercenary group explain to their client why they ran from battle.

"It was hopeless! So we left the cannon fodder to cover our retreat."

"And where is the princess?"

"Oh ****, we left her with the cannon fodder!!!!!!! Ah well, she did asked for cannon fodder for her protection."

*mercenary commanders are arrested, tried, and executed for getting the princess captured/killed.

I believe the whole mercenary group was hired for her protection since the whole group was preparing to ship out with her on her trip.

[Yan3242]

Orga group just doing what they told, doing their job like a proper soldier (and of course as the main character group :p)

The one who run away is just to show your typical higher up who just there for money and will run at any moment they sense defeat. What i want to know is, are they alive? Anime rule has teach me that if they didnt show it = Probably not dead yet, so they might get captured and press for information which is the usual scenario for war drama.

Also do we know if the enemy also has back implant like our band of brothers? Kinda weird if they can operate without one while on orga side those thing seems mandatory.

[bigdeath]

Also do we know if the enemy also has back implant like our band of brothers? Kinda weird if they can operate without one while on orga side those thing seems mandatory.

If I recall correctly the back implants were refereed to as an anachronistic technology so I suspect that the enemy used more advanced/refined interface controls. The iron orphans' back plugs seems like an old technique no longer used because its.........well, requires a rather barbaric operation.

[Tenzen12]

Hahaha, I'd love to see that mercenary group explain to their client why they ran from battle.

"It was hopeless! So we left the cannon fodder to cover our retreat."

"And where is the princess?"

"Oh ****, we left her with the cannon fodder!!!!!!! Ah well, she did asked for cannon fodder for her protection."

*mercenary commanders are arrested, tried, and executed for getting the princess captured/killed.

I believe the whole mercenary group was hired for her protection since the whole group was preparing to ship out with her on her trip.

Arrested? Not really. They didn't breach contract in any way (and she is not real princess BTW) Anyway their reputation would be ruined, but that's small prize for own survival.

PS: there would be also no need explain anything to "client" considering she is going die on battlefield pretty soon...

[Yan3242]

wonder if our princess has one too, i really hope for her to get a bit MS action.

she strike me as hard yet down to earth type (she actually offer help when she's in the engine room instead of the usual "princess complaining" attidute so thats a big plus for me there)

[bigdeath]

Shes not a real princess? Where is that said? Promotional material? As far as I can tell from the first episode, the princess is the daughter of the ruling family of the primary city on mars.

A mercanry group that abandoned their mission would never get hired again and would be wanted for desertion. The rules of war still apply to mercenaries. Mercenaries can still be arrested and tried (and they have been in real life). I doubt earth would shelter a group of dishonorable mercs and they'd be hunted on mars.


she strike me as hard yet down to earth type (she actually offer help when she's in the engine room instead of the usual "princess complaining" attidute so thats a big plus for me there)

Indeed, she seems like a very kind person. She has the proper manners of a princess but she doesn't come off as stuck up or full of herself so I had a positive first impression of her.

[monster]

Their mission was to protect the princess, so yes, they were abandoning their mission. The first group is suppose to be in charge of the iron orphans which means they just decided to skip town at the first sign of trouble. Pathetic. Pathetic or not, you were talking about court-martialing them. Are you sure they even have that concept in their organization? Secondly, if this lady (again, do we know if she's a princess?) is leading some kind of movement for independence, then wouldn't it make sense to view her as a rebel? So abandoning her might not be bad/illegal from Earth's point of view, which might be the "de jure" government of Mars.

[Tenzen12]

Mars is colony, of course they have no monarchy here. Also there is no official war, in first place. Their base was raided and they retreated from own property. That's all to it.

[Yan3242]

Shes not a real princess? Where is that said? Promotional material? As far as I can tell from the first episode, the princess is the daughter of the ruling family of the primary city on mars.

Iam not sure about others but for me "princess" is Just how i interpret her for now, like how i call setsuna "mr gundam" or orga group as "band of brothers". probably from her 1st impression she has this royalty aura around her (meeting with her mother in a green house, zipping tea, elegant dress, flamboyant hair, maid, father has connection with higher up, etc) so we just automatically call her princess at least for a while.

[DragoonKain3]

Damn, I'm starting to hate this show. After the pilot, I couldn't enjoy ANYTHING after. Not LoL, not HotS, and certainly not any of the anime pilot episodes I saw after. It has messed up my first impressions of the other show because I kept thinking, "Man, I wish I was watching the second episode of Iron-Blooded Orphans now..."

[bigdeath]

maybe shes not princess............hahaha, maybe that just fan talk confusing me. lol

Edit: I blame wikipedia which calls her a martian princess. lol The who is she and who is her father? Because it seems like her father is in charge of the government of mars.

Damn, I'm starting to hate this show. After the pilot, I couldn't enjoy ANYTHING after.
I know how you feel. Only one punch man was able to catch my interest as well and thats because I watched its episode first. lol

[Wild Goose]

Kudelia Aina Bernstein is both a princess and not. Strictly speaking, she isn't a princess as she has no royal blood and is not a descendant of a royal line and has no claim to any royal throne.

On the other hand she's totally rocking the princess vibe, which is why people call her a princess. :p

Also damn, this episode. Seriously, CGS 1st Group only knows how to cut and run, but 3rd Group knows their shit. Perimeter security, they were expecting to get jumped, they've got prepared firing positions for their Mobile Workers, they've got mines out and medics recovering wounded pilots - hell, they even have rear area security out! Nobody ever does that in Gundam!

And while charging into the melee was risky, it was also the best option they had to neutralise the superior long range firepower of the Gjallarhorn tanks, since 3rd Group lacks artillery of its own in order to do counterbattery fires.

Also Barbatros erupting out of the ground to introduce that Graze to MACE TO THE FACE was the most manly entrance of a Gundam, besides maybe Exia.

Another point to be made, regards court martial and the like:

CGS is a private military contractor, so it's not clear whether they'd be bound beyond any rules or regulations beyond their internal ground rules and code of ethics. I don't think Military Justice would apply to them.

At best, you can make a case that CGS abandoning the field is a breach of contract, but given that the princess contracted 3rd Group for her escort, I'm sure that the lawyers can argue that CGS had fulfilled the terms of the contract and was under no obligation to provide further support and throw the rest of the company into a futile battle that would have resulted in its destruction for little concrete result.

[Hmm....]

Well, what I'm saying is that you can't separate issues from ideologies. An economic issue still has an ideology behind it that makes it an issue.

For example, why does the lady in this episode wants independence? Probably because she wants a better life for Mars and thinks independence is the first step to that. Why does she thinks the Martians need/deserve a better life? Probably because she sees the rest of the Martians are suffering and she made a judgment call that it is wrong for them to suffer even when her own family is living relatively well.

In other words, her ideology determines that there is an economic issue that needs to be solved. Her parents' ideologies, on the other hand, might make them think there is no issue as long as they themselves are fine.
Yep, this is where our opinion differ.
An economic issue does not has an ideology behind it.
An ideology has an economic issue behind it.

Aina herself may be either a pure ideologist who genuinely wish for Martians's well being and stand no gain from this movement. However, those who support her are in for themselves, to improve their economical situation.

Or she may actually look at bigger picture. Mars resource should stay on Mars. Earth has no right to suck it up. Even though that mean those who conspire with Earth will lost power (AKA her family) and more wealth goes to common population.

It's not like her father's ideology dictate that there is no issue. He can clearly see issue and he has his own idea of how to approach it (surrender some resource to Earth so Mars elites can gain more). Earth inspector also has his own idea of where the wealth should goes as well. This is basically a wealth distribution issue they are dealing with.

I didn't try to separate issue from ideology more than we separate a problem from a solution/an approach.
I was saying there need to be a problem first before you start looking for solution.
You don't just think up some nice algolithm one day, then look around to see if there is any problem you can solve it with.

I understand your argument that an issue(economic situation) will become debated(conflict) only when two people suggest two approach(ideology) to the same problem. However, those approach usually lead to different answer(wealth distribution). As long as the debate is about which answer is right, I will consider it economical conflict, a more fundamental debate. Only when the answer is actually the same and they debate about how to better approach it. That is what I willing to call ideology conflict. In fact, most of such debate happened because two approach that seemingly lead to same answer will still lead to different outcome in some situation.

I also agree with SonicSP's statement that many people are not conscious of the reason they fight. I would dare say most rank&file people are more into sugarcoated ideology than an ugly reality they are in. Such belief are stronger. More efficient, just like students who memorize math formula without knowing why. It's not like there is no math behind that formula. They just don't know and don't care. They only care that it give them better score in Math Exam.



PS. Sorry if I get some Math term wrong. I 'm not sure what it's called in English.

[Boukenxha]

Well, Aina's family has severed ties with her and left her for death, she is right now at most a princess in name only and has no money or power unless she finds or has other wealthy backers that would prop her back up as the face of the independence movement. Without any of those, I think her cause has taken a big hit and she probably has to hide while starting over.

Also those losers from the main forces could be dead and wiped out by the Gjallarhorn when those flares went up but the good thing is that the Third Corp can take over all the remaining resources in the base.

[monster]

As long as the debate is about which answer is right, I will consider it economical conflict, a more fundamental debate. Only when the answer is actually the same and they debate about how to better approach it. That is what I willing to call ideology conflict. I don't think ideology is simply about an approach to a problem, but also about the nature of the problem, specifically about why/how it is a problem in the first place.

In other words, there is already an ideology in place that makes Kudelia want to do something about the situation in Mars, even before she concludes that gaining independence is the approach she will take to solve the issue.

Now, you may label the resulting conflict whatever you want, but my point is that ideology will still play a part in it.

[Patriot's Blade]

looking back at the comments, its sort of funny the girls were overshadowed by the boys because of their macho antics when doing their jobs, well the ladies will have a huge focus next, romance or not, just hope that it doesn't involve swimsuits :uhoh:

[Tenzen12]

Speaking of...

I find highly disturbing that some random half doormat get two girls after him in first episode, while cool, level headed badass leader get just bros and death flags.

[Boukenxha]

Small tibit, but I realize why the name Aina felt so familiar. 08th MS's female MC is Aina Sahalin and I guess it bears mentioning that it was Aila from GBF that helped jogged that memory.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Small tibit, but I realize why the name Aina felt so familiar. 08th MS's female MC is Aina Sahalin and I guess it bears mentioning that it was Aila from GBF that helped jogged that memory.What? You realized it just now? I thought any Gundam-fans who have watched 08th MS Team would instantly catch it (heck, I hinted it in the very first page :p). Anyway, yeah, recently since GBF Sunrise seem to like giving Gundam main females the “Ai(insert consonant of your choice)a”-names (Aila, Aida, Aina Mk.II :heh:).

[hawkeyesvn]

Speaking of...

I find highly disturbing that some random half doormat get two girls after him in first episode, while cool, level headed badass leader get just bros and death flags.

Wait till the badass leader got killed after getting his first kiss like a certain big bro character from another series....

[Skye629]

Wait till the badass leader got killed after getting his first kiss like a certain big bro character from another series....

Don't jinx it, first time was bad enough

=______=

-granted said badass character had a much better impression on the audience within the first 5-10 minutes of the first episode than Orga had in the whole first episode of IBO-



EDIT: I hope Orga tells Mika his "mace will smash the heavens", or something along those lines.....then I might just have a better impression of him

[Boukenxha]

What? You realized it just now? I thought any Gundam-fans who have watched 08th MS Team would instantly catch it (heck, I hinted it in the very first page :p). Anyway, yeah, recently since GBF Sunrise seem to like giving Gundam main females the “Ai(insert consonant of your choice)a”-names (Aila, Aida, Aina Mk.II :heh:).

I saw that series long ago man, been planning to rewatch from 0079 again but that will have to wait till I finish my Macross rerun. :heh: Hey I forgot Aida Surugan too, but maybe there are other reasons for that. :eyespin:

[Bakaizer]

Don't jinx it, first time was bad enough

=______=

-granted said badass character had a much better impression on the audience within the first 5-10 minutes of the first episode than Orga had in the whole first episode of IBO-



EDIT: I hope Orga tells Mika his "mace will smash the heavens", or something along those lines.....then I might just have a better impression of him
now that you mentioned it, it would be nice that this show would have a good coming of age story but hoping there wouldn't any overblown drama

especially that someone who handled the melodrama show anohana is handling this

[Ryuga]

Speaking of...

I find highly disturbing that some random half doormat get two girls after him in first episode, while cool, level headed badass leader get just bros and death flags.

I don't think he's a doormat, based on the conversation between him and Kudelia. Mika and Orga go way back so he trusts his judgement and leaves the brains to him while he provides the brawn.

[Irenesharda]

I don't think he's a doormat, based on the conversation between him and Kudelia. Mika and Orga go way back so he trusts his judgement and leaves the brains to him while he provides the brawn.

I can't think of Mika as a doormat either, he may not be a leader type, but he doesn't just roll over and let people step on him either. We saw that simply when he defused Eugene with just a single action and a few words. All the other boys look up to him just as they do Orga. As for his relationship with Orga, he and Orga seem to be childhood friends and have been together for a really long time and they are extremely close, to the point that Mika was willing to calmly kill a guy in order to protect Orga. Because of that, the two probably know each other very well. Orga is a leadership type, and Mika is fine deferring to him. The two trust each other with their lives, and if one goes off the rails, I can definitely see the other one pulling him back.

What? You realized it just now? I thought any Gundam-fans who have watched 08th MS Team would instantly catch it (heck, I hinted it in the very first page :p). Anyway, yeah, recently since GBF Sunrise seem to like giving Gundam main females the “Ai(insert consonant of your choice)a”-names (Aila, Aida, Aina Mk.II :heh:).

It's been so long since I've seen 08th Team, so I didn't really remember either. And I don't even think I liked it that much, so I probably promptly forgot it. :p

Kudelia Aina Bernstein is both a princess and not. Strictly speaking, she isn't a princess as she has no royal blood and is not a descendant of a royal line and has no claim to any royal throne.

On the other hand she's totally rocking the princess vibe, which is why people call her a princess. :p



I think Kudelia is the daughter of the Representative of the main Mars colony city to the Earth Sphere, and since the Representative seems to be the effective leader of Mars, then in a way Kudelia is like a princess.

She's not an actual princess as in royal birth, but she is the daughter of the leader of the colony, which gives her a very similar position.

[Arya]

On the character side, Mika doesn't have to much depth yet but is interesting. He seems content to leave the big decisions to Orga and just do his job. I expect him to slowly grow out of that comfortable dependency as he becomes increasingly critical to the survival of the kids. He makes a good team with Orga for now and I'd expect that to re-stabilise after a bit of a falling out, probably coinciding with Orga getting his own Gundam. He wasn't willing to shake Aina's hand but I'm sure we'll see that soon enough - depending how much she helped out with getting Barbatos ready her hands might already be dirty enough to match his.
I can see this happen, a retake of this same scene with Aina's hands all dirty, both literally and morally!! That scene definitely calls for it :D

[Irenesharda]

I can see this happen, a retake of this same scene with Aina's hands all dirty, both literally and morally!! That scene definitely calls for it :D

To me, it will take a little more than that before I can consider her "equal" she's still a little too naive right now. I don't really think she helped at all with getting Barbados ready, she offered, but I think that's just so she didn't feel useless. I highly doubt she has any mechanical knowledge that would be required.
Aina is okay for right now, but she's a little too naive and presumptuous for me. Her heart's in the right place, but she has quite a bit to learn.

[Skaddix]

Indeed Too Many Bros Not Enough Chicks. As for his deferring why not, Orga basically predicted every single move and won the battle through tactical acumen. Mika doesnt seem to have that skill but is an ace pilot no reason for him not to defer especially when u consider they have been friends for years.

[bigdeath]

Kudelia Aina Bernstein is both a princess and not. Strictly speaking, she isn't a princess as she has no royal blood and is not a descendant of a royal line and has no claim to any royal throne.

On the other hand she's totally rocking the princess vibe, which is why people call her a princess. :p

Also damn, this episode. Seriously, CGS 1st Group only knows how to cut and run, but 3rd Group knows their shit. Perimeter security, they were expecting to get jumped, they've got prepared firing positions for their Mobile Workers, they've got mines out and medics recovering wounded pilots - hell, they even have rear area security out! Nobody ever does that in Gundam!

And while charging into the melee was risky, it was also the best option they had to neutralise the superior long range firepower of the Gjallarhorn tanks, since 3rd Group lacks artillery of its own in order to do counterbattery fires.

Also Barbatros erupting out of the ground to introduce that Graze to MACE TO THE FACE was the most manly entrance of a Gundam, besides maybe Exia.

Another point to be made, regards court martial and the like:

CGS is a private military contractor, so it's not clear whether they'd be bound beyond any rules or regulations beyond their internal ground rules and code of ethics. I don't think Military Justice would apply to them.

At best, you can make a case that CGS abandoning the field is a breach of contract, but given that the princess contracted 3rd Group for her escort, I'm sure that the lawyers can argue that CGS had fulfilled the terms of the contract and was under no obligation to provide further support and throw the rest of the company into a futile battle that would have resulted in its destruction for little concrete result.

We have PMC operating in the world right now. They can be charged with violating the rules of war, arrested, tried, and executed.

Technically under the Geneva conventions, mercenaries are unlawful combatants which means they don't have the protections of POW status. Mercs have been tried and executed around the world for simply working for the losing side of a conflict. In fact, under the current UN Mercenary Convention (passed in 1989), Mercs are illegal and can be arrested just for being mercs. Technically, America's PMC are not meant to engage in combat or they'd be violation of this convention.

Well, I've digressed quite a bit but my point was that just because a mercenary is not part of the clients government, doesn't mean they can ignore their clients laws. I am assuming the martian government cares about the safety of Kudelia in which case they are not likely to care what excuse the mercs give for abandoning their mission.

[Arya]

To me, it will take a little more than that before I can consider her "equal" she's still a little too naive right now. I don't really think she helped at all with getting Barbados ready, she offered, but I think that's just so she didn't feel useless. I highly doubt she has any mechanical knowledge that would be required.
Aina is okay for right now, but she's a little too naive and presumptuous for me. Her heart's in the right place, but she has quite a bit to learn.

So do I. I was speaking as expectation for the future, like around fourth episode.
Right now she has done nothing. And I'm expecting something moral compromising. Less like firing with a grenade launcher or jumping with a Kataphrakt into an hostile fallen castle, and more like killing someone on purpose to defend herself and her group. Something close to Mika's flashback. That would surely trigger Mika's interest. That kind of dirty hands. That would work as a first step.

[Galaxian]

One note from the opening sequence. I really like the part with Orga standing on the captain chair, it shows that this "cool" character is not above having some humorous scene.

[Irenesharda]

Indeed Too Many Bros Not Enough Chicks.
Get used to it, Gundam usually has a majority male characters. In fact, to have more than 4-5 main/supporting female characters is actually unusual. :heh:

[Wandering Soul]

Indeed Too Many Bros Not Enough Chicks. .
You must not be used to Gundam if that ratio of male to female characters bothers you:heh:.

[bigdeath]

You must not be used to Gundam if that ratio of male to female characters bothers you:heh:.

We can always dream of a gundam anime staring 4-5 cute/hot female gundam pilots. Heck, I'll take even one female gundam pilot. lol

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

We can always dream of a gundam anime staring 4-5 cute/hot female gundam pilots. Heck, I'll take even one female gundam pilot. lolThere’re already tons of non-Gundam mecha shows featuring female-pilots (with ridiculously sexualized pilot-suits) out there. So I for one am glad that Gundam don’t jump on the trend and cater to those otaku demographic. I don’t want Gundam show to turn into something like Cross Ange or Muv-Luv. That said, I wouldn't mind a Gundam series with female MCs like the Astray pilots from SEED.

[Irenesharda]

There’re already tons of non-Gundam mecha shows featuring female-pilots (with ridiculously sexualized pilot-suits) out there. So I for one am glad that Gundam don’t jump on the trend and cater to those otaku demographic. I don’t want Gundam show to turn into something like Cross Ange or Muv-Luv. That said, I wouldn't mind a Gundam series with female MCs like the Astray pilots from SEED.

Well, Gundam has had some pretty good, thankfully non-sexualized female Gundam pilots, even those that have piloted the main Gundam a few times. I would like it to become more of a regular thing, but then, like you said, you risk them turning it into something like Cross Ange. And heaven forbid a female non-sexualized MC Gundam pilot. For that, I would actually send a letter of thanks to Sunrise if they ever tried that!

[Twi]

Honestly, I get why the First Group cut and run. They're mercs and their base was being raided. They deemed staying and protecting a client not worth getting killed over and left who they deemed expendable to buy them time. Even if they never found work as mercenaries again, they'd still be alive to explore other avenues.

I don't like it, and Orga was justified when he turned it on them because he's not going to be killed as a pawn, but I get it.

[kari-no-sugata II]

I can see this happen, a retake of this same scene with Aina's hands all dirty, both literally and morally!! That scene definitely calls for it :D

I don't know if she'll be morally dirty at that point but it would clearly indicate that the distance between them has shrunk.

To me, it will take a little more than that before I can consider her "equal" she's still a little too naive right now. I don't really think she helped at all with getting Barbados ready, she offered, but I think that's just so she didn't feel useless. I highly doubt she has any mechanical knowledge that would be required.
Aina is okay for right now, but she's a little too naive and presumptuous for me. Her heart's in the right place, but she has quite a bit to learn.

It's okay for her to have a lot to learn, I'd say, since that gives her more growth potential. It's also good to have another perspective in the show - a little contrast helps highlight the other characters perspectives and background and prevent the show being too monotone. I entirely agree her heart is in the right place - it's much better that she offered to help despite being unskilled than to not offer while being skilled.

[Tenzen12]

I don't think he's a doormat, based on the conversation between him and Kudelia. Mika and Orga go way back so he trusts his judgement and leaves the brains to him while he provides the brawn.

I said HALF doormat and from my point of view his relationship with Orga is more extreme than just "trusting his judgement", it's more like "his judgement is absolute and I don't need think for myself". Well whatever, it's not like I care about that guy enough to be insistent about that word.

We have PMC operating in the world right now. They can be charged with violating the rules of war, arrested, tried, and executed.

Technically under the Geneva conventions, mercenaries are unlawful combatants which means they don't have the protections of POW status. Mercs have been tried and executed around the world for simply working for the losing side of a conflict. In fact, under the current UN Mercenary Convention (passed in 1989), Mercs are illegal and can be arrested just for being mercs. Technically, America's PMC are not meant to engage in combat or they'd be violation of this convention.

Well, I've digressed quite a bit but my point was that just because a mercenary is not part of the clients government, doesn't mean they can ignore their clients laws. I am assuming the martian government cares about the safety of Kudelia in which case they are not likely to care what excuse the mercs give for abandoning their mission.


Fortunately for first unit, they fulfilled all their obligation toward their client, even if we assume princess parents are in government (and we don't even know that yet), they hired band in OWN behalf. Well all they actualy hired are four teenage bodyguards and if that was inadequate it's their own mistake, not something that could be blamed on others.

It would be different if princess parents were autocrats who can change laws on moment notice or ignore them as they wish, but it certainly doesn't look that way.

[Irenesharda]

It's okay for her to have a lot to learn, I'd say, since that gives her more growth potential. It's also good to have another perspective in the show - a little contrast helps highlight the other characters perspectives and background and prevent the show being too monotone. I entirely agree her heart is in the right place - it's much better that she offered to help despite being unskilled than to not offer while being skilled.

Oh, I totally agree. I want her to grow during the series. I just don't want them to accept her instantly after one fight. This is a very tight knit band of brothers, I think it would take time for her to earn their sincerity and their trust. I just want them to take their time with her learning experience.

[Patriot's Blade]

so who else cringed at that annoying man-child of a Gjallarhorn commander's antics? as in not letting his more powerful group deployed earlier & letting his Mobile Worker underlings lose their lives in the process, i totally can feel that rank bullied bearded guy's feelings, its a wonder how he became commander in the first place, dude somehow deserved getting stabbed to death by the Barbatos.

[Yan3242]

Probably underestimating those cdf guy, i cant wait to see his face when a freaking gundam just burst out from a ground and going to pummel him (or is it already done?) :p

Speaking of that 3 gjallarhorn, that old man is so going to die in later episode (gundam anime has knack to kill old man i swear) and the young guy.... Seems has a small chance to be "converted" into orga group :D (either aina talk some sense to him or he got captured and see things differently)

[Wild Goose]

On Mika being a doormat: some people are just really great at tactical execution, but don't have a head for big picture details. Remember, guys, Mikazuki is illiterate. He can't read, and so a lot of information is meaningless to him and he can't decide on his own.

I'm also kind of reminded of myself as a World of Tanks player. I was okayish, but I became exponentially better every time I platooned with my clanmates and I had someone calling the shots and telling me what to do. It's a lot better than constantly second-guessing myself and being paralysed by indecision! :heh:

I think Kudelia is the daughter of the Representative of the main Mars colony city to the Earth Sphere, and since the Representative seems to be the effective leader of Mars, then in a way Kudelia is like a princess.

She's not an actual princess as in royal birth, but she is the daughter of the leader of the colony, which gives her a very similar position.
I'm pretty sure this is what I said, albeit in not as many words. :p Regardless, I note it's also a cultural quirk of Japanese in that any sufficiently highborn/noble young lass can be hime, which we translate as English (and I rather suspect we've lost a little nuance in the translating along the way).

We have PMC operating in the world right now. They can be charged with violating the rules of war, arrested, tried, and executed.

Technically under the Geneva conventions, mercenaries are unlawful combatants which means they don't have the protections of POW status. Mercs have been tried and executed around the world for simply working for the losing side of a conflict. In fact, under the current UN Mercenary Convention (passed in 1989), Mercs are illegal and can be arrested just for being mercs. Technically, America's PMC are not meant to engage in combat or they'd be violation of this convention.

Yes, but the earlier argument was that CGS personnel could be court martialed, and my point is that because PMCs by their nature are not part of a nation's armed forces, they don't fall by default within the remit of Military Justice. Note that the US had to pass the Military Commissions Act in order to hold PMCs to the Uniform Code of Military Justice; prior to the act, the UCMJ did not apply to PMCs because PMCs are not part of the US military.

There's also the issue that not all countries are party to the United Nations Convention on Mercenaries - notables being the US and the UK.

This also assumes that 1) Mars has a unified central government and 2) Mars has its own military forces. Point 1 is uncertain. Point 2 is even more uncertain, but I suspect Mars doesn't have any military forces of its own: note Gjallahorn tanks at the protest. You're also assuming that Mars holds similar views to mercenaries as we do currently, which may not be the case. By all accounts CGS seems respectable enough for them to be contracted to provide an armed escort for a VVIP (which to be fair is the bread and butter work of most PMCs).

And war crimes trials are conducted by civilian courts, by the way.


Well, I've digressed quite a bit but my point was that just because a mercenary is not part of the clients government, doesn't mean they can ignore their clients laws.
Yes, which is why I've approached the issue from the civil courts. A nation's laws encompass many aspects. I am restating this, but as a PMC, CGS does not by default fall under the military justice system (if Mars even has a military and a military justice system), and a more likely arena will be the civil courts.

In which case it all boils down to contract law: what were the stated terms of the contract, what were the implied terms, were the terms fulfilled by CGS, things like that. Further I should add that a general principle of contract law is that if a party has fulfilled its contractual terms, it is not compelled or obliged to perform in excess of those terms.

CGS was contracted to provide an armed escort, Kudelia chose 3rd Group, CGS provided combat-ready 3rd Group. Contractual terms fulfilled.

Any further discussion beyond this would have to look at the specific terms and clauses of the contract.

I am assuming the martian government cares about the safety of Kudelia in which case they are not likely to care what excuse the mercs give for abandoning their mission.
You do realise that this is essentially the government running roughshod over its own laws to achieve the outcome it wants. I live in Malaysia and this has been going on for 40 years. This is not a good thing. A government has to respect its own laws and be willing to be bound by them. If not, you get the corruption and contempt for the law that is part and parcel of Malaysian politics, where our executive branch are all literall crooks out to get what they want from the nation, ignoring the law as it suits them and using the law as their weapon against their opponents in politics and the media.

Plus, y'know, her old man (i.e. the Establishment) sold her out to Gjallahorn. :V

[monster]

Wow, apparently Hulu gave this episode a TV-MA rating. I didn't realize it needed that severe a rating, or maybe Hulu has a different rating system than TV. Ah, I suppose it has to do with that intro scene.

[Yu Ominae]

I am assuming the martian government cares about the safety of Kudelia in which case they are not likely to care what excuse the mercs give for abandoning their mission.

If that's the case, then the father shouldn't have sold her out to Gjallahorn. That's a pretty low blow there if you ask me.

[Irenesharda]

Wow, apparently Hulu gave this episode a TV-MA rating. I didn't realize it needed that severe a rating, or maybe Hulu has a different rating system than TV. Ah, I suppose it has to do with that intro scene.

When I first starting watching Gundam (it was SEED at the time) they were showing it on the Adult Swim section of Cartoon Network, in which most if not all of their shows are rated TV-MA, it's just today's TV rating system in the US. Gundam features a lot of people dying with blood and explosions, etc., so it kicks it up to that level. I can see this getting that rating too.

[Yan3242]

Well you got a clear shot of someone get sniped, thats should cue them some rating i guess

[Esclair]

I agree with the people who think Orga is ether gonna get Kamina'ed or betray Mika for his ambitions. Hard to tell which so far with just 1 episode though. I kind of prefer the latter as it's not something you see often in anime (at least not well).

Great first episode. Really love the tone and setting.

[Anh_Minh]

I agree with the people who think Orga is ether gonna get Kamina'ed or betray Mika for his ambitions. Hard to tell which so far with just 1 episode though. I kind of prefer the latter as it's not something you see often in anime (at least not well).

Mika is his greatest weapon, and I doubt Orga trusts anyone outside of Third Brigade. Who's he going to betray Mika to?

We have PMC operating in the world right now. They can be charged with violating the rules of war, arrested, tried, and executed.

Technically under the Geneva conventions, mercenaries are unlawful combatants which means they don't have the protections of POW status. Mercs have been tried and executed around the world for simply working for the losing side of a conflict. In fact, under the current UN Mercenary Convention (passed in 1989), Mercs are illegal and can be arrested just for being mercs. Technically, America's PMC are not meant to engage in combat or they'd be violation of this convention.

Well, I've digressed quite a bit but my point was that just because a mercenary is not part of the clients government, doesn't mean they can ignore their clients laws. I am assuming the martian government cares about the safety of Kudelia in which case they are not likely to care what excuse the mercs give for abandoning their mission.

Their client has no problem with employing child soldiers. And you want to apply our modern developed country sensibilities to them?

[Yan3242]

Mika is his greatest weapon, and I doubt Orga trusts anyone outside of Third Brigade. Who's he going to betray Mika to?

if he ever going to betray mika its probably because either he found someone greater than mika or mika cant meet up with his expectation anymore so he decide to "throw" him away.

Its still episode 1 so we all just happy guessing with our imagination :p

I personally too want them to stay best bro, iam sucker friendship anime.

[Irenesharda]

if he ever going to betray mika its probably because either he found someone greater than mika or mika cant meet up with his expectation anymore so he decide to "throw" him away.

Its still episode 1 so we all just happy guessing with our imagination :p

I personally too want them to stay best bro, iam sucker friendship anime.

Well, they said in the trailer that Orga and Mika are closer than brothers, so I think Mika would know if Orga thought of him like that, and if he does, then he's probably completely okay with it for some reason. I doubt that Orga does, the two have been together for a very long time, and Mika is willing to kill to protect Orga. That kind of loyalty has to come from somewhere.

I honestly can't see Orga betraying him. As Anh said, there's really no one that Orga would possibly sell out Mika for even if he wanted to. He doesn't trust anyone outside of his own group and he and Mika have been best bros even before he met the rest of the Third Group. He would probably betray all of them before he ever betrayed Mika.

As you said, we'll see. Maybe he changes as the series progresses, but I just can't see Orga as that kind of person.

[Skaddix]

When I first starting watching Gundam (it was SEED at the time) they were showing it on the Adult Swim section of Cartoon Network, in which most if not all of their shows are rated TV-MA, it's just today's TV rating system in the US. Gundam features a lot of people dying with blood and explosions, etc., so it kicks it up to that level. I can see this getting that rating too.

Eh american shows dont care about death and explosions. Sex gets u a ratings boost more then most violence. It probably got an automatic MA for use of child soldiers.

[Esclair]

Mika is his greatest weapon, and I doubt Orga trusts anyone outside of Third Brigade. Who's he going to betray Mika to?



It'll likely come a point where Mika will have grown into his own ideals that may take him on a different path than Orga.

[Yan3242]

He would probably betray all of them before he ever betrayed Mika.

Or better, he betray everyone for mika sake...... That could go somewhere entirely wrong in a certain person mind :heh: ok i stop.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Well, they said in the trailer that Orga and Mika are closer than brothers, so I think Mika would know if Orga thought of him like that, and if he does, then he's probably completely okay with it for some reason. I doubt that Orga does, the two have been together for a very long time, and Mika is willing to kill to protect Orga. That kind of loyalty has to come from somewhere.

I honestly can't see Orga betraying him. As Anh said, there's really no one that Orga would possibly sell out Mika for even if he wanted to. He doesn't trust anyone outside of his own group and he and Mika have been best bros even before he met the rest of the Third Group. He would probably betray all of them before he ever betrayed Mika.

As you said, we'll see. Maybe he changes as the series progresses, but I just can't see Orga as that kind of person.

I see the main themes of the series as about coming of age and freedom - even the main series Gundam has been "chained" (merely used as a generator) and literally climbs out of the dirt at the end of the episode. If the writers decide to go for a tragic ending then maybe Orga slowly transitions from "freedom fighter" to "oppressor", someone willing to sacrifice his once friends for personal gains. I've not seen any hints of this though, I'm just speculating about how such a scenario could happen.

[Irenesharda]

Eh american shows dont care about death and explosions. Sex gets u a ratings boost more then most violence. It probably got an automatic MA for use of child soldiers.

It depends on what channel it's on, and what time period the show came out. Rules were a little more stringent at that time.

[Tenzen12]

It'll likely come a point where Mika will have grown into his own ideals that may take him on a different path than Orga.

Yes, I too doubt Orga would betray Mika for his ambition, but I ether thing they will part their ways either because different ideals or simply because their relationship will go sour at some point.

[Hmm....]

Can Orga only end up as either Kamina or Griffith ?? Can't he be someone else ? for example, himself ? :heh:

I agree the use of child soldiers combined with having blood splashing from their brain should ramp rating up quite a bit.
Who know, it may be Topless pilots that cause this. :D

[Tenzen12]

Well he can also end as intellectual Guld lol.

[Fireminer]

It's both similar, yet different to every Gundam before it. A very appealing debut, though. Maybe this will define the franchise in the next decade, that is if Mari wouldn't screw up.

Hmm.... My only complain is that they couldn't bring back Hiroyuki Sawano for the music.

Many have compare this to Gundam 00. Well, the main character and MS are certainly similar (Have anyone realized that the main Gundams are getting more and more focused on melee? Guess that everyone got sick of Beam Spam.) But I'm certainly that there will be a lot of angst, breakdown,... A lot more than what we're used to see. I expect a lot from Mika.

Also, why must the antagonists always have a taste for monarchism (in politic like the Zabi and Romefeller, or in style like this series)? It's strange for people to resurrect such antiques from the grave, even if they have passed a war so devastated that they could never recover after 3 centuries.

And no Internet?

[Yan3242]

And no Internet?

judging from the place and living style, i doubt they just hand you internet just like that :heh:

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

(Have anyone realized that the main Gundams are getting more and more focused on melee? Guess that everyone got sick of Beam Spam.) I’m not sure about that. After Exia, we have Age-1, Build Strike & G-Self that sport the usual beam rifle + shield package. Some of them have alternate forms that concentrate on melee, but it’s still alternate forms. Not that I dislike melee Suits but the only one that support your theory after Exia is Build Burning (that is meant to be the representation of both Shining & God in GBF).

And no Internet?Maybe they have, within the planet itself, not from planet to space (let alone planet-to-planet). That’s if Ahab Particles doesn’t mess with the wireless signals for those not using cables :heh:.

[Yan3242]

(Have anyone realized that the main Gundams are getting more and more focused on melee? Guess that everyone got sick of Beam Spam.)

i will very happy if they focus the gundam with standard ballistic weaponry

[Skaddix]

It depends on what channel it's on, and what time period the show came out. Rules were a little more stringent at that time.

Well yes but ratings are based on societal norms of today not of those in the past thus Child Soldiers is probably good enough for TV-MA because in the US that is frowned upon

[monster]

Also, why must the antagonists always have a taste for monarchism (in politic like the Zabi and Romefeller, or in style like this series)? It's strange for people to resurrect such antiques from the grave, even if they have passed a war so devastated that they could never recover after 3 centuries. When you have a good leader, a monarchy can sometimes be easier to setup than a democracy. And it's not like being ruled by one leader would be such a strange concept, so "to resurrect such antiques" may not be an accurate description of what happened.

That said, I'm not sure how that applies to this series as of this episode.

[Hmm....]

Also, why must the antagonists always have a taste for monarchism (in politic like the Zabi and Romefeller, or in style like this series)? It's strange for people to resurrect such antiques from the grave, even if they have passed a war so devastated that they could never recover after 3 centuries.
Well, Most Gundam antagonists are the one in power. And the one in power will always prefer authoritarian of some form. It give them more power. Another thing is authoritarian is usually a short term solution for immediate conflict. When a state is in trouble and there is a decent leader, people tend to turn toward such quick fixed.

Also, Monarchism has been with us for thousands of years. Democracy, on the other hand, just started roughly two hundred years ago and briefly during ancient Greek. Relatively speaking, Democracy is still on its baby step.

For me. more interesting question would be why must Authoritarian always an antagonist. Why don't we have any ironfisted leader protagonist who come to save us from corrupted popularist politician. :heh:

[Tenzen12]

I would like see that too

[Fireminer]

I’m not sure about that. After Exia, we have Age-1, Build Strike & G-Self that sport the usual beam rifle + shield package. Some of them have alternate forms that concentrate on melee, but it’s still alternate forms. Not that I dislike melee Suits but the only one that support your theory after Exia is Build Burning (that is meant to be the representation of both Shining & God in GBF).

AGE-FX, Build Burning, all Setsuna's suits,...

And about the Monarchism. I think at first, the Zabi was setup to reminisce the Nazi (who had a taste for German in its empire days, and totalitarian). That is why all antagonists of the generations conform to such standard.

On the other hand, people has always try to set conflicts of ideas in Gundam shows (with various degree of success). To put it in short, it's the fight between the old and the new. It is certain that the protagonist must present the new (like Newtypes).

Do they have the ball to make a Capitalism v.s Communism Gundam? No. That is why it's Totalitarian v.s Democratic.

[monster]

That is why it's Totalitarian v.s Democratic. I'm not sure that's even a main theme. It's not like Gundam showed anything specifically pro-democracy. If anything, the group with no specific monarch can be portrayed as weak and ineffective.

And this episode doesn't deal with this issue either, so I don't know where you're going with this.

[Benigmatica]

Watched the first episode, and I have to give some sympathy towards those war orphans from the Third Group. Good thing they hold on against the Earth Sphere thanks to Gundam Barbatos, but what happened to the First Group after becoming decoys?

[Yan3242]

Presumely dead considering the enemy notice the flare launch.

But my guess is they got captured (some) and squish for information regarding orga group and the princess

[LoweGear]

AGE-FX, Build Burning, all Setsuna's suits,...


The AGE-FX is still a ranged unit though with beam weapons, in fact rather large ones. And while the Build Burning, 00 Gundam and 00 Qan[T] are good examples of the melee trend, the fact that in between there are units like the AGE-1, AGE-2, AGE-3, G-Self etc. means that Gundams going pure melee isn't so much a trend, but a preference.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

AGE-FX, Build Burning, all Setsuna's suits,...Well, LoweGear’s post above already reflect what I wanted to say ;).

I’ll just add that I consider Exia-00-Qant as "one package" since those three come from one series and piloted by the same person throughout the story.

[Dark Wing]

I just finished the episode and dare I say it...GUNDAM IS SAVED!

I must confess after that train wrack Reconguista I was afraid it would be the death of Gundam but looks like we're back on the right track.

[Rising Dragon]

Well, LoweGear’s post above already reflect what I wanted to say ;).

I’ll just add that I consider Exia-00-Qant as "one package" since those three come from one series and piloted by the same person throughout the story.

On top of that, despite the claims of CQC purposes, the 00-Raiser and 00-Qan[T] are actually well-rounded mobile suits like the G-Self, Build Strike, etc. In fact you could argue the 00-Raiser is a heavy assault weapons platform--the thing's armed to the teeth. The base 00 Gundam, despite only being armed with two GN-Sword IIs, is still of a more well-rounded machine, 'cause it has strong ranged firepower, unlike the Exia before it.

[Hmm....]

I just finished the episode and dare I say it...GUNDAM IS SAVED!

I must confess after that train wrack Reconguista I was afraid it would be the death of Gundam but looks like we're back on the right track.
I have a mixed feeling about this.

Fist off, Let me say I too can't stand Reconguista G and glad that Iron Blood Orphan is the way it is.

However, Reconguista G was directed by Tomino himself. One of my friend commented that it's directing style look very similar to Z Gundam of old. I kinda agree with his assessment. I only watched first few episodes so I don't know if it change later on.

This made me think if we are too accustom to new kind of Gundam we can't accept original style anymore ? Which one is the true Gundam ?? :uhoh:

[Benigmatica]

I have a mixed feeling about this.

Fist off, Let me say I too can't stand Reconguista G and glad that Iron Blood Orphan is the way it is.

Well I can stand watching Reconguista in G, but for Iron-Blooded Orphans... I feel that it might make or break for Mari Okada, as I have a feeling that she'll mess it up just like M3: The Dark Metal.

[Iron Maw]

Like most people here I was surprised how many I enjoyed this. The last couple of mainline Gundams haven't been kind to the series in terms of quality so my expectations where pretty much rock bottom. I'm definitely getting 00' vibes but that started out well before it really crater in the 2nd season. So the staff certainly has their work cut for them. Still this was good starting point with a solid foundation in terms narrative so for now I'm pretty happy with this.

[monster]

I have a mixed feeling about this.

Fist off, Let me say I too can't stand Reconguista G and glad that Iron Blood Orphan is the way it is.

However, Reconguista G was directed by Tomino himself. One of my friend commented that it's directing style look very similar to Z Gundam of old. I kinda agree with his assessment. I only watched first few episodes so I don't know if it change later on.

This made me think if we are too accustom to new kind of Gundam we can't accept original style anymore ? Which one is the true Gundam ?? :uhoh: A true Gundam is whatever Sunrise makes of it. Thinking that a true Gundam has only one particular directing style would just limit the franchise.

At the same time, a Gundam fan does not necessarily have to accept every entry and every kind of directing style in Gundam. Someone who does not accept Tomino's directing style is as much a Gundam fan as someone who only accepts Tomino's directing style. And of course, there are other kinds of fans who do not fit into either category.

[Rising Dragon]

This made me think if we are too accustom to new kind of Gundam we can't accept original style anymore ? Which one is the true Gundam ?? :uhoh:

This is elitist speak. Do not go down this path.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

However, Reconguista G was directed by Tomino himself. One of my friend commented that it's directing style look very similar to Z Gundam of old. I kinda agree with his assessment. I only watched first few episodes so I don't know if it change later on.

This made me think if we are too accustom to new kind of Gundam we can't accept original style anymore ? Which one is the true Gundam ?? :uhoh:As someone who has seen G-Reco in its entirety and consider it as a guilty-pleasure for the visuals, I can say that the direction is more or less the same with Tomino’s other shows where he gets full control like Zeta, Victory & Turn-A. But the problem with G-Reco is (unlike the aforementioned previous entries which two of them being very good and one is crazy but still well-thought-out) that almost none of the story elements got fleshed out in a good way. Throughout the show, we are bombarded with new factions, new places, new organizations, and other new terms. Not to mention the random behavior of some characters without proper context or explanation. For example, in later episodes, how in the world Cumpa can just enter and waltz through Megafauna like a boss? It’s the freaking enemy ship that he’s never step on before, so how come he can infiltrate & access it? Unexplained things like that happen very often in the show hat make people think “Fuck it. I don’t care anymore”. It’s like Tomnio forget that he only has 26 episode to tell his story rather than 50, and he just bombard us with every idea he has without good management. Heck, Tomino himself even admitted it and apologized publicly for the chaotic/mess that is G-Reco series that he created. It’s sad to say this, but I think Tomino really need to re-learn about how to write a good script and direct a less-than-50-episode anime if he still want to work in this industry.

I'm definitely getting 00' vibes but that started out well before it really crater in the 2nd season. I don’t think 00 is cratering in its second season. Sure it got less interesting since it became more “black & white” than the first season and has become more shounen-ish than necessary and some characters from S1 being rather useless in S2, but I think the direction is still solid. Otherwise, it won’t be as popular and got itself a real theatrical movie (not just compilation movies) which even SEED/Destiny doesn’t have the luxury of despite its mad popularity and all the award it gets.

[Rising Dragon]

Tomino's apology kinda felt backhanded, though, as if it implied we're unable to understand or appreciate the old-school production practices.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

^ Well, this is Tomino we're talking about. I think we should be grateful that he even apologized at all. :heh:

[bigdeath]

I have a mixed feeling about this.

Fist off, Let me say I too can't stand Reconguista G and glad that Iron Blood Orphan is the way it is.

However, Reconguista G was directed by Tomino himself. One of my friend commented that it's directing style look very similar to Z Gundam of old. I kinda agree with his assessment. I only watched first few episodes so I don't know if it change later on.

This made me think if we are too accustom to new kind of Gundam we can't accept original style anymore ? Which one is the true Gundam ?? :uhoh:

Zeta Gundam had an understandable storyline with good pacing and characters whos motives you could understand. Reconguista G has none of these.

Iron Blooded Orphans doesn't feel like Gundam 00 at all. Its feels more like we are returning to the original gundam formula of focusing on teens at war. I hope this means we'll get the same focus on politics as well.

[Galaxian]

I've seen people compare the two series a lot, but other than the occasional Setsuna flashback, I don't see the similarities between G-Tekketsu and 00.

[Yan3242]

character wise i see some similar formula between mika-orga and setsuna-lockon, but setting wise i hope this is more like 08ms team which focus on skirmish ground combat rather than all out war

[Galaxian]

character wise i see some similar formula between mika-orga and setsuna-lockon, but setting wise i hope this is more like 08ms team which focus on skirmish ground combat rather than all out war

Setsuna and Lockon's relationship was nowhere near clsoe to Mika's and Orga's. Sure, Setsuna accepted Lockon as the leader of the pilots, but he didn't deffer to him the way Mika does with Orga.

The only scens actually dedicated to Setsuna and Lockon are when former reveals that he was part of the group that killed the latter's family and the flashback at the end of season 1. Meanwhile the Mika-Orga bromance already surpassed that count in only one episode.

[Hmm....]

This is elitist speak. Do not go down this path.
Sorry for sounding elitist. That wasn't my intention at all. :heh:
It just come to my mind when someone said Gundam has finally return to its true path. As if Reconguista G is not. Basically what monster said.
<snipped>
Thank for the insight.

[Irenesharda]

You know, this show has made me weirdly giddy and I just can't help all the excitement that this new series has given me. I like how the show has put so much in the background that tells you about this world, even while having all of the cast in the premiere episode also giving exposition in a semi-normal manner.

It wasn't until I has watched the episode a couple of times that I realized that they 3rd Company boys not only don't eat with the other employees, but they don't get the same food either. I remember seeing the shot of tacos and hamburgers and thinking "Well, at least they feed them well."
But then watching it again, I saw that that was the food the 1st Company was getting, and that 3rd Company was only eating bowls of mush/stew. And I realized that they were indeed malnourished as I had thought.

Also, I noticed that Akihiko (the Guts looking guy) is said to be the leader of the "human debris" and that he and a few others all where jackets with red stripes on them. I wondering what "human debris" is and are they even worse off then the rest of 3rd Company?

[Duo Maxwell]

Setsuna and Lockon's relationship was nowhere near clsoe to Mika's and Orga's. Sure, Setsuna accepted Lockon as the leader of the pilots, but he didn't deffer to him the way Mika does with Orga.

The only scens actually dedicated to Setsuna and Lockon are when former reveals that he was part of the group that killed the latter's family and the flashback at the end of season 1. Meanwhile the Mika-Orga bromance already surpassed that count in only one episode.

If you are comparing point by point, then it's not, but that doesn't mean it can't remind people of 00 since it has all the 00 vibe going on. That's a meaning of "similarity", otherwise they would call it a carbon copy.

[Yan3242]

so... i heard this series is going to be 25 episode? i remember last time people said its going 50.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-10-05/mobile-suit-gundam-iron-blooded-orphans-anime-listed-with-25-episodes/.93827

[Dark Wing]

That was more people hoping it would be without any real confirmation.

[Archon_Wing]

Well...

http://i.imgur.com/IXMiqcL.jpg

Alright, I feel at home. The first episode just set the mood so right, and got the introduction stuff out of the way which just makes me appreciate it as many shows these days just utterly fail at this and would rather sprout gimmicks. The shirtless dudes just give me that whole Rambo-vibe which is funny and disregarding in-universe explanations, it really does make them look poor and rugged which is sort of true anyways.

I'll also be keeping track of Kudelia Ihaveaverylonglastname Ojou-sama, of course.

[Anh_Minh]

Well, Most Gundam antagonists are the one in power. And the one in power will always prefer authoritarian of some form. It give them more power. Another thing is authoritarian is usually a short term solution for immediate conflict. When a state is in trouble and there is a decent leader, people tend to turn toward such quick fixed.

Also, Monarchism has been with us for thousands of years. Democracy, on the other hand, just started roughly two hundred years ago and briefly during ancient Greek. Relatively speaking, Democracy is still on its baby step.

For me. more interesting question would be why must Authoritarian always an antagonist. Why don't we have any ironfisted leader protagonist who come to save us from corrupted popularist politician. :heh:

Technically, Seed and Destiny were all about how princesses are better than democratically elected leaders...

[Galaxian]

If you are comparing point by point, then it's not, but that doesn't mean it can't remind people of 00 since it has all the 00 vibe going on. That's a meaning of "similarity", otherwise they would call it a carbon copy.

But I don't see any similarities in the vibe at all. In 00 the main characters were in a well supplied group looking to bring about world peace, while in G-Tekketsu the main characters live destitute and their main objective seems to be their own survival. They have more Garrod from X than the Gundam Meisters. As it stands now, the only similarities between this and 00 is that the main cast are actually trained soldiers.

[Haak]

And the art and character designs.

[tsunade666]

can I ask when is the airing day for this? like what day is the next episode?