Kiznaiver

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQxyRFqUYAAE7Xn.jpg
New original TV anime by studio Trigger revealed.

Staff:
Director: Hiroshi Kobayashi
Series Composition, Script:Mari Okada
Character Design: Shirow Miwa
Producer: Masahiko Ootsuka
Studio: Trigger

Plot Summary:
The anime's setting is a fictional Japanese city named Sugomori City. One day, Sonosaki tells her classmate Katsuhira: "You have been selected to be a Kiznaiver." The Kizuna System, which allows Katsuhira to share his wounds, connects him to the classmates whose lives and personalities completely differ from his.

The Kizuna System is an incomplete system for the implementation of world peace that connects people through wounds. All those who are connected to this system are called Kiznaivers. When one Kiznaiver is wounded, the system divides and transmits the wound among the other Kiznaivers.

Sugomori City is built on reclaimed land. But as the years go by, the city's population is decreasing. The story is set in this town where Katsuhira and the others live.

Source:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B014TC1API

Official site: kiznaiver.jp (it's working now)
Registered with Aniplex inc.

The official title is Kiznaiver

[Stark700]

Oh I forgot, the character descriptions with names:
Noriko Sonosaki: A mysterious and beautiful girl who experienced kizuna (connection) with Katsuhira and the others, and assigns them missions. She is even more emotionless than Katsuhira, and feels no human kindness.

Katsuhira Akata: The story's protagonist. His sense of pain and his own feelings are dulled. His moods barely fluctuate, and he pays little attention to other people.

Hajime Tenga: A muscular idiot who tends not to look before he leaps. While he presents a rude front, he possesses the potential for leadership.

Tsuguto Yoshida: A handsome and self-satisfied honor student who is always surrounded by girls. He is a selfish and calculating man with an underhanded nature, and is cold to other men.

Honoka Maki: A girl who exudes a calm, grown-up air, and who tends not to group with people. She tends to say mean things, glare menacingly, and is generally unsociable.

Chidori Takashiro: Katsuhira's friend, and the class representative-type who always sees to everyone's needs (or is nosy, if viewed negatively). Does she hold complex feelings for Katsuhira?

Niko Niiyama: A mysterious yet spontaneous girl who says she can see fairies. Her personality is clear not just in her attitude but also in her fashion.

Yoshiharu Hisomu: A handsome man with a distinct face that anyone can recognize, but he is surrounded by many mysteries. His multiple piercings and his bandaged look are extremely distinctive.

No voice cast announced yet though.

Source:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-10-08/studio-trigger-reveals-new-kiznaiver-original-tv-anime/.93915

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Official site updated, I think it has the main key visual.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ4kTzCVEAAYi5p.jpg

[MisaoFan]

Here's another thing to add as well:
http://kiznaiver.jp/staff/

For those who doesn't read Japanese very well, Okada will write the scripts for every episode, a thing she previously did in some works such as Black Rock Shooter and AKB0048.

Yuuki Hayashi is also officially confirmed for composing the OST, since when did he manage to get so busy with many recent works?

[Dragonria]

CM

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Yuuki Hayashi to compose music.

[moodie]

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Animated PV coming on 12/10
https://twitter.com/kiznaiver/status/673095095562797056

[kyuudere]

Kiznaiver cast

http://moca-news.net/article/20151210/2015121000000c_/image/!002.jpg

Agata Katsuhira : Kaji Yuki

http://moca-news.net/article/20151210/2015121000000c_/image/!003.jpg

Sonozaki Noriko : Yamamura Hibiku

[D-Joe]

shouldn't we be able to tell after hearing the pv tomorrow (or today)?

Well the PV seems just cast announcement PV, maybe we misunderstood the words.
https://twitter.com/kiznaiver/status/674604532823797762

Source of other characters announce date:
https://twitter.com/kiznaiver/status/674605256861286400

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So according to this news, Kiznavier will be exclusive to Crunchyroll.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-931531/coming-exclusively-to-crunchyroll-kiznaiver

Happy Friday everyone, and before we all go off and enjoy the weekend, we are super excited here at Crunchyroll to announce the acquisition of Studio TRIGGER's next highly-anticipated original anime, Kiznaiver, coming exclusively to Crunchyroll!

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Latest teaser (region blocked in some countries though):
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New additional cast:

Chidori Takashiro: Yuka Terasaki
Hajime Tenga: Tomoaki Maeno
Niko Niyama: Misaki Kuno

http://kiznaiver.jp/news/?article_id=37221
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-01-08/kiznaiver-tv-anime-casts-yuka-terasaki-tomoaki-maeno-misaki-kuno/.97280

[EroKing]

https://a.l3n.co/i/skZPk7.md.jpeg (https://lensdump.com/i/skZPk7)

[moodie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZGZwo4UsAAXarA.jpg:large

[D-Joe]

Spring 2016.
http://i.imgur.com/FE2fSIr.jpg

[pinoscotto]

site updated
http://kiznaiver.jp/?from=lower

April confirmed, Boom Boom Satellites singing the OP, "phantasia"(?) doing the ED

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Pre-screening on March 27.

Latest key visual:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CayC4ZYUYAA_FoU.jpg

Rest of the cast:

Tsuguhito Yuta: Nobunaga Shimazaki
Honoka Maki: Rina Satou
Yoshiharu Hisomu: Koutarou Nishiyama

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CM (features actual animated footage):

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Might be region blocked though.

[pinoscotto]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3rwpxg

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PV (youtube + subbed version):
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+ new CM:
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CR posted info about Kiznaiver's streaming times.

KIZNAIVER will be airing on Crunchyroll starting Saturday, April 9 at 8:30am PST for members in the following territories: The Americas, the Middle East and Africa, Australia and New Zealand, and English speaking Europe (United Kingdom, Ireland, the Nordics), with more TBA.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/03/06-1/start-date-and-time-announced-for-crunchyrolls-exclusive-kiznaiver-anime-simulcast

[pinoscotto]

cm2
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More cast:

http://i.imgur.com/ouEWlwm.jpg?1

Kazunao: Junichi Suwabe
Mutsumi: Mie Sonozaki

[pinoscotto]

PV
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x407jz2

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Youtube version:
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[kuromitsu]

I just watched the promo lead-up.

The words "kizu" and "kizuna" are now just meaningless strings of sounds.

(And by now my eyes roll automatically at hearing the title, that is probably going to be a problem...)

Anyway, the studio/production bragging was kind of embarrassing, but at least I got to hear Suwabe Junichi's narration, and watched the seiyuu being dorks, that counts for something.

ETA: I wonder where Nishiyama got that lemon shirt. I can't decide if it's horrible or not, but in any case I want one.

[Kuroageha]

OK, it was awkward to watch series, and I saw a lot of anime so far.

[Cloudedmind]

I just watched the promo lead-up.

The words "kizu" and "kizuna" are now just meaningless strings of sounds.

(And by now my eyes roll automatically at hearing the title, that is probably going to be a problem...)

Anyway, the studio/production bragging was kind of embarrassing, but at least I got to hear Suwabe Junichi's narration, and watched the seiyuu being dorks, that counts for something.

ETA: I wonder where Nishiyama got that lemon shirt. I can't decide if it's horrible or not, but in any case I want one.

That lemon shirt. I need one for a ball jointed doll of mine. xD And Kaji's sweater, but something like that is easier to find.

On a side note, if you just want to watch seiyuu acting like dorks, watch the Club Rainbow half of the Rainbow Days anime, that aired last season, if you haven't already seen it.

[Cerilla]

The lead-up promo shows some interesting behind-the scene footage (I always like this kind of thing). The narration bragging is worth a chucke, but it is a promo, so yeah.

On a side note, if you just want to watch seiyuu acting like dorks, watch the Club Rainbow half of the Rainbow Days anime, that aired last season, if you haven't already seen it.

Also Tokyo Encounter. That is one essential Seiyuu-dorking show.

[kuromitsu]

That lemon shirt. I need one for a ball jointed doll of mine. xD And Kaji's sweater, but something like that is easier to find.

On a side note, if you just want to watch seiyuu acting like dorks, watch the Club Rainbow half of the Rainbow Days anime, that aired last season, if you haven't already seen it.
I actually found the lemon shirt (http://www.brownsfashion.com/product/020W18860004/298/lemon-print-shirt)! And now I'm sad because holy cow, look at that price, what the hell. :twitch: Now I'll have to find a cheap knockoff on ebay... Kaji's polkadot-sleeved sweater was also something, but at least it was kind of cute.

Oh thanks for reminding me of Club Rainbow. I missed the series itself, but I always planned to watch the seiyuu segments. Shimazaki Nobunaga is quickly becoming a favorite of mine, both for his acting and for his personality. :D

Um, yes, Kiznaiver. Kizuna!
(Someone should tell Sengoku Basara's Ieyasu about this show, he's appreciate it. :heh: )

[quigonkenny]

I thought the character designs looked familiar. They're by Shirow Miwa, the author of the RWBY manga.

[Cloudedmind]

I actually found the lemon shirt (http://www.brownsfashion.com/product/020W18860004/298/lemon-print-shirt)! And now I'm sad because holy cow, look at that price, what the hell. :twitch: Now I'll have to find a cheap knockoff on ebay... Kaji's polkadot-sleeved sweater was also something, but at least it was kind of cute.

Oh thanks for reminding me of Club Rainbow. I missed the series itself, but I always planned to watch the seiyuu segments. Shimazaki Nobunaga is quickly becoming a favorite of mine, both for his acting and for his personality. :D

Um, yes, Kiznaiver. Kizuna!
(Someone should tell Sengoku Basara's Ieyasu about this show, he's appreciate it. :heh: )

*sees that price* Yeah, I think I'll just design my own version. Means I could do a "matching" orange print just for the heck of it.:heh: My dolls are going to hate me.:D

And I agree. He's really fun to watch. It's kind of funny how upbeat and outgoing he appears to be, yet many of his earlier staring roles were almost anything but. Eguchi is another one. I really wish that he and Shimazaki Nobunaga had had more parts together in the seiyuu segment of Club Rainbow.

[Flower]

OK, it was awkward to watch series, and I saw a lot of anime so far.

Yeah ... I also thought "episode 00" was ...awkward. :uhoh:

[Gan_HOPE326]

I don't really get the point of releasing a behind the scenes BEFORE the actual anime airs. It seems to me they're trying too hard to push the hype for this series. I have the feeling this has to do with the fact that perhaps Trigger is counting more on the streaming/foreign market than on the internal one. They seem to have reached some special agreement with Crunchyroll on this one, given with how much advance it was announced and how much fuss they're creating around it (the first episode didn't even air and between PVs, behind the scenes, interviews etc. they already have a dozen videos up).

[kuromitsu]

I don't really get the point of releasing a behind the scenes BEFORE the actual anime airs.
It's not really a "behind the scenes" thing, though, it's pure promotional material. It's not particularly uncommon for shows to do this. "blah blah blah TRIGGER OH YEAH blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS BIG-NAME STAFF blah blah blah KIZUNA blah blah blah THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME blah blah blah HERE'S THE SEIYUU blah blah now we make them do stupid things, you like that, don't you." (<- guilty as charged :heh: sorry, guys)

They're certainly trying very hard to hype the show, especially for western audiences (no surprise, Trigger's shows seem to be more popular with western fans than in Japan), but hey, if they have the budget for it.

Personally I'm not having great expectations, mostly I just hope that Okada will let loose and expell her Okada-isms in Mayoiga so there won't be any left for this show.

[Arya]

Ep. 00 was odd, didn't watch the whole episode, still I'm looking forward to the show now, when before I was moderately cold about it.

[Gan_HOPE326]

They're certainly trying very hard to hype the show, especially for western audiences (no surprise, Trigger's shows seem to be more popular with western fans than in Japan), but hey, if they have the budget for it.

I guess my worry is that things like that feels like a bad symptom to me? Could be nothing, it just seems that as a general rule if you try too hard to create artificial hype is because you're worried there won't be much spontaneous one. Might be because Trigger hasn't done a single really great anime series since Kill la Kill so perhaps they're simply a bit worried people forgot them. Personally I'm already happy that we're getting something like Luluco; if Kiznaiver actually ends up being legitimately good, all the better!

And yeah, I would hope too Okada unleashes her worst instincts on Mayoiga :heh:. Sadly the setting of Kiznaiver seems even more ripe for cheap teen melodrama, so that's worrying :uhoh:.

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OP song is out now:
IZCIZTECyuM

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Episode 1:

A strange start but interesting. The OP song has a catchy tone to it as well.

I like Tenga the most so far, feels like he can be a character that is going to be fun to watch. Agata's a really strange character, not sure I'll like him although there's some background storytelling about him already. Noriko 's connection with the Kiznaiver system is interesting and I think we'll learn even more about how it works besides what's on paper like sharing wounds and damage. Noriko's conversation about some of the other characters' personalities and the Seven Deadly Sins really is interesting.

Artwork seems alright so far for a Trigger show. I think the show has potential with the premise.

http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/5b8987cd7e1a39893dd5678c3f2a7e981460216374_full.jp g

[Gan_HOPE326]

I found myself wondering whether Trigger had been hijacked by Shaft personnel watching this premiére :heh:. Not usually my genre but the visuals are very interesting, and the premise is original - reminds me a bit of the Sense 8 Netflix series. But it's promising, at the very least.

[Wade Wilson]

I have mixed feelings about the first episode, personally I like the settings and how is this story started but at the same time I find this a bit uninteresting, probably because the characters aren't that big of a deal.

As for the animation it looks pretty bad, the backgrounds and how they used the music sometimes is good tho. OP was pretty damn good, the ending ... not that much.

I'll definelly keep watching this, need to know what can give us this show.

[Requiem-x]

That was pretty interesting, though I'm still not quite sure what is actually going to happen? Is this challenge like an actual challenge or is this crew of archetypes (did this series tell me anime cliches are sins?) gonna get put into galge-like situations to see what happens?

I'm confused, but interested.

[Gan_HOPE326]

That was pretty interesting, though I'm still not quite sure what is actually going to happen? Is this challenge like an actual challenge or is this crew of archetypes (did this series tell me anime cliches are sins?) gonna get put into galge-like situations to see what happens?

I'm confused, but interested.

I suppose it's going to be something like "go back live your life and let's see what happens". For example even if the MC is okay with being bullied the other five won't because they experience the pain of him being punched as well. All these things.

[Requiem-x]

I suppose it's going to be something like "go back live your life and let's see what happens". For example even if the MC is okay with being bullied the other five won't because they experience the pain of him being punched as well. All these things.

That was my assumption. That could go surprisingly well or horribly dull depending on the way its done.

[foxbox360]

What is Simon and kamina doing in this show?

[larethian]

That was pretty interesting, though I'm still not quite sure what is actually going to happen? Is this challenge like an actual challenge or is this crew of archetypes (did this series tell me anime cliches are sins?) gonna get put into galge-like situations to see what happens?

I'm confused, but interested.

The whole premise is stated by the Sonozaki girl herself. An experiment in "Bonding (kizuna) by their wounds (kizu)" based on the theory that conflict will cease if people are able to feel the hurt of one another. I guess we are going to delve deeper in the characters themselves and learn through the course of the show whether the 'experiment' is successful or not, as well as draw our own conclusions on the premise of the experiment.

[Key Board]

It's a weird time to air this show and experiment with this theme .. IMO

we live in the time where it's clear people are willing to hurt and destroy themselves in other to hurt and destroy other people

look at all the school shootings, suicide bombings, and various other things

[Dengar]

Hm... I kinda like the premise... And I kinda like the characters... But I don't really understand where this show is going.

I guess I'll stick around.

[FlareKnight]

Well this is both kind of interesting and somewhat creepy. Honestly not sure if I'll be on board for more than another episode.

[Requiem-x]

The whole premise is stated by the Sonozaki girl herself. An experiment in "Bonding (kizuna) by their wounds (kizu)" based on the theory that conflict will cease if people are able to feel the hurt of one another. I guess we are going to delve deeper in the characters themselves and learn through the course of the show whether the 'experiment' is successful or not, as well as draw our own conclusions on the premise of the experiment.

Yeah, you're probably right. This is gonna be a series very dependant on its characters to work, and I like that. I can only hope they meet the expectations, otherwise I can see this playing as a bad harem anime (one problem solving arc for each one). Actually, the MC is already kind of a blank slate, and has whit hair too... I'm getting mixed feelings from this, but I'm definetly curious.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Yeah, you're probably right. This is gonna be a series very dependant on its characters to work, and I like that. I can only hope they meet the expectations, otherwise I can see this playing as a bad harem anime (one problem solving arc for each one). Actually, the MC is already kind of a blank slate, and has whit hair too... I'm getting mixed feelings from this, but I'm definetly curious.

But they had a couple perfect occasions for fanservice and completely shied away from them. I don't think this is going to be harem. Probably will go down the character drama route - think AnoHana (after all, same writer). I didn't like AnoHana's ending and I really hope it doesn't end up in forced melodrama, but right now I'm in for the ride.

[Flower]

Ep 01

To be honest I thought it was a fantastic and unsettling premier episode. Very, veeeeeeeery interested to see what they are going to do with this one story wise.

Once again, all the ducks are in the right place for me in terms of production values (the OP was great, I thought, while the ED was good), however this time it DOES seem to be my sort of thing at first glance. We will see where it takes us!

A very nice surprise for this season for me!

[Requiem-x]

But they had a couple perfect occasions for fanservice and completely shied away from them. I don't think this is going to be harem. Probably will go down the character drama route - think AnoHana (after all, same writer). I didn't like AnoHana's ending and I really hope it doesn't end up in forced melodrama, but right now I'm in for the ride.

I was talking more about the structure, but I'm just not totally sold in, that's all. Guess I was expecting something different, and I'm not sure yet what we're actually getting. I'm in for the ride, though, it certainly could go places if the characters are good.

[Gan_HOPE326]

I was talking more about the structure, but I'm just not totally sold in, that's all. Guess I was expecting something different, and I'm not sure yet what we're actually getting. I'm in for the ride, though, it certainly could go places if the characters are good.

Ah, well, it's Mari Okada so I'm wary too. And there's definitely a lot of teen angst potential... dunno, it feels like a potentially good show I may be too old to enjoy. Still, I wanted to check it out because it was Trigger and I'm rooting for them :p. And it was interesting enough to warrant a continued watch for now. Of course this is a very packed season so it's easy to straddle the line and end up dropped... I know I'm already going to drop Twin Star Exorcists simply out of force of not being original enough. This or Mayoiga would probably be the next best candidates, one misstep and out.

[quigonkenny]

That was...odd...

[felix]

Look good to me so far.

[AntonKutovoi]

"-Have you ever heard of Seven Deadly Sins?"
Girl, please, he is Meliodas :p

[Irenesharda]

I think I understand what this show is trying to aim for, but it just feels a little bit pretentious, at least for the goals of this whole operation and the girl in charge.

It will be interesting seeing all these different character tropes interact.

However, they want to try to do this on a worldwide scale? If you are dividing the pain equally among all the people linked to the system, the more people you link to the system, won't that dilute the pain to the point in which no one will feel it anyway, thus negating the reason for the system. And even with the system it won't get rid of human conflict.

But I'll be interested in how they show will face these issues. I like most of the characters so far. In fact, I found nothing wrong with any of the seven so far. I'll like to see how they come together now that they are joined like this.

[felix]

I think theres more to this pain sharing then we know of yet, since the main mega-bitch said "one for all, all for victory." That doesn't quite make sense if it's just a simple experiment. Though to be honest I'd prefer it if it was just a simple experiment instead of a shonen power fest. Well, either way is fine.

[quigonkenny]

I can see where people are getting a Shaft vibe. The feeling I got was "Trigger does Shinbo". It definitely works with the material...

[Arya]

I liked it, I like the all characters and the premise seems have potential, it all depends which direction they will go. I'm for a character exploration approach more than anything else. But it's hard to say a this point. I'm not fully engaged but quite close. Noriko is quite interesting, I just hope will stop abuse the MC, since well, we already got it. :p

[Haak]

"-Have you ever heard of the Seven Deadly Sins?"
Girl, please, he is Meliodas :p

My first thought was "Sure I have. It's those characters from Fullmetal Alchemist." XP

Really strong start imo. It did well to characterize the main character and explain the Kiznaiver system. The other characters were left a little thin but their quirkiness left an impression at least.

[kuromitsu]

You know, I really don't want to be one of these guys once in every month. :heh: Well, three times, actually, given that there are three girls. Did anyone think this through?

Anyway, I'm kind of surprised that I liked the first episode. I even liked the style. People are saying Shaft, but as for me it was more like Ikuhara... Watching it back to back with Bungou Stray Dogs, the resemblance was especially strong. (I guess it just goes to show how much Shaft & Shinbou's style was inspired by Ikuhara. Btw I know Stray Dogs is not Ikuhara, but it's by Enokido & Igarashi, not exactly unconnected to Ikuhara.)

Anyway, the visuals were nice (especially the Miwa designs, they were a lot more Miwa-esque here than in Joker Game, especially Yuta-kun), the music was nice, the voice acting was nice. I'm not expecting anything from the story or the characters (or rather, I expect Okada style melodrama spiced with stupid and unfunny sex jokes, anyway, given that she apparently writes the actual screenplays as well) so if they don't go the way I wholly expect them to go it will be a pleasant surprise. I guess what sold me on this is that it's a lot of things but definitely not half-assed. There's obviously a creative & storytelling vision here, at least in this episode. I'll be back next week.

I still think that the word "Kiznaiver" is really very stupid, though. Ugh, kizu kizuna naive kiznaiver aaaargh.

[Dengar]

The Japanese language is made for puns and word transformations. Obviously they'd do a lot of it.

[kuromitsu]

The Japanese language is made for puns and word transformations. Obviously they'd do a lot of it.
I know, and normally I like them, but this one in particular is just so very stupid. In my opinion and everything.

[blakstealth]

I really liked the first episode. I dunno where it's gonna go from here, but I like the idea of the kizuna system and sharing the pain.

[DevilHighDxD]

I think it pretty obvious who's that girl in his flashback.

[Funkatron]

Something tells me the main dude doesn't feel pain because its going to someone else at the moment?

[Gan_HOPE326]

Something tells me the main dude doesn't feel pain because its going to someone else at the moment?

I thought more along the lines of him having already been subject to the Kizuna experiment once and some kind of failure leading to him simply not feeling pain at all any more. It seemed that the girl in the flashback committed suicide and he felt the pain of her death.

[Sageblink]

Well, I'm hooked up.
The music was everything and the art is beautiful (remind me of 7th Dragon 2020, need to search for the chara designer name).

It's promising !!

[DragoonKain3]

Damn, that was an awesome pilot. I thought Okada lost her touch judging with Mayoiga (immensely weak pilot there), but this episode just gave enough info to be interested with what's going on, but not too much as to be an info dump. Them actually showing about the pain was VERY well done, and considering that everything in here seems so unorthodox compared to your typical anime, I can't help but be curious as to what direction the show is going to take.

I don't think this will be everyone's cup of tea, but it certainly is mine. Favourite pilot episode of the season, barring Macross since I know NOTHING is going to beat that for me. :heh:

It seemed that the girl in the flashback committed suicide and he felt the pain of her death.
There are four things:

1) Upon recalling the flashback girl around 9 mins in, we immediately see Sonozaki
2) Sonozaki calls the MC by first name (heck the only person she actually calls by name IIRC)
3) the ED shows that the girl with those shoes is connected to the two kids running in hospital gowns
4) this is written by Okada

Like I might not be confident that Mumei is the MC's childhood friend in Kabaneri, but I'm like 99% sure that the flashback girl is Sonozaki. At the very least, I wouldn't write off flashback girl as dead yet... XD

[GDiddy]

This was weird...but I"m intrigued.

I like Sonozaki, Glasses and Fairy Girl. I also like Not Kamina


I sense romantic tension already with Glasses and Shimazaki's character.

I also sense tension with Sonozaki/Katsuhira and Chidori.

[foxbox360]

How long is this cour?

[quigonkenny]

I was initially thinking flashback girl was Sonozaki, too, but it sounds like a completely different voice actress. It's not young version actor versus old version actor, either, since usually in those cases they at least cast people who sound somewhat similar. There's also the fact that they don't look much alike, other than having desaturated hair. I won't go so far as go rule it completely out, but I think they're two separate people.

[Flower]

How long is this cour?

I do not recall it being announced yet off hand to be honest....

[serenade_beta]

Huh... Overly stylish, on-drug type of anime?
Kill-a-kill nailed it pretty well from the start with plenty of catchyness, but this kinda just gave me eyebrow raises. Like watching some religious cult or natural chuu-ni stuff (not the painful forced ones in anime).
In a way, it felt like Mari trying too hard, but hmm... It was too strange to really judge. I might continue it next week if I feel like it.

[Iron Maw]

Huh, well this might be weirdest show this season yet, but there is just something about it that really captures your attention even if doesn't give you much of an idea where it's going. At least as a expected from Trigger it's pretty stylish to point where you would be forgiven for thinking was a SHAFT show at first... only you know animated. :p

I can't say any of the characters have gelled with me yet except for Tenga however. Katsuhira gets the most attention here and his disposition is explained well enough, but even with that he's just a little too passive for my taste. Hopefully becoming a guinea pig Kiznaiver changes that sooner rather than later. Otherwise I'm interested to see where Okada going with this partly because I don't see this show have a middle ground therms of quality with it's high concept, it either be great or terrible by this season's end. Well it's more interesting than the Lost Village at any rate.

[Wandering Soul]

"-Have you ever heard of Seven Deadly Sins?"
Girl, please, he is Meliodas :p
Same thing I was thinking during that scene:D.

Looks like this show will be relying a lot on its characters. I imagine from here, the series will be about them having to cope with feeling each other's pain, which will end up with them having to interfere in each other's lives when one of them keeps experiencing pain.

[quigonkenny]

I can't say any of the characters have gelled with me yet except for Tenga however. Katsuhira gets the most attention here and his disposition is explained well enough, but even with that he's just a little too passive for my taste. Hopefully becoming a guinea pig Kiznaiver changes that sooner rather than later. Otherwise I'm interested to see where Okada going with this partly because I don't see this show have a middle ground therms of quality with it's high concept, it either be great or terrible by this season's end. Well it's more interesting than the Lost Village at any rate.
Actually, it's fairly certain that he's been a guinea pig for some time. In the flashback, both he and the girl were wearing hospital gowns, and that was pretty clearly a Kizuna reaction that turned his hair white after the girl did a header.

Sonozaki said the city was built for this experiment. They've probably all been guinea pigs from the start. Which means Sonozaki is not the only candidate to be a still-living Flashback-chan.

Also, I'm wondering what the teacher has to do with all this. One does not simply cast Garcher as comic relief...

[Iron Maw]

Perhaps then Katsuhira's lost of emotions/pain was from an earlier experiment conducted on him... The girl's dialogue in that scene seems to imply that at least.

Actually, I wonder how much his parents know about what's going then? Or if they are really even his taking into a count the true purpose of city.

[Kismet-chan]

Don't really know how I feel about what I watched. Visually, it was amazing, as expected of the studio. Plot and character-wise? Eh... I think pretentious and absurd are the most immediate things that come to mind? I'm willing to stick with it a while longer to see where it's going, though.

I really love the OP and ED, both in terms of aesthetics and songs.

[Botan_TM]

Actually, I wonder how much his parents know about what's going then? Or if they are really even his taking into a count the true purpose of city.

Amine logic: parents are busy somewhere far away, move along?

It's a weird time to air this show and experiment with this theme .. IMO

we live in the time where it's clear people are willing to hurt and destroy themselves in other to hurt and destroy other people

look at all the school shootings, suicide bombings, and various other things

And that's a good point. Looks like in this experiment there are planning to use fear of pain as a recipe for world problems. It's like Mutual Assured Destruction moved to a personal level.
That's make me good laugh, so really an utopian peaceful world have to be based on making all people fear a pain? Those who set up experiment really do not have a high opinion on humanity, or there really have convinced themselves into calling this 'understanding each other" :eyebrow:

Anyway there are people who for something are able to endure pain or fear other things more like a pain. What then?

PS. I think this is the best OP of the season

[Benigmatica]

Episode 1:
Damn, Studio TRIGGER returned with a bang on this series! Can't wait for the next episode in regards to Sugomori City.

On the other hand, Katsuhira transferring his pain towards his childhood friend and 4 other people might be a nuisance than being beneficial!

[Gan_HOPE326]

And that's a good point. Looks like in this experiment there are planning to use fear of pain as a recipe for world problems. It's like Mutual Assured Destruction moved to a personal level.
That's make me good laugh, so really an utopian peaceful world have to be based on making all people fear a pain? Those who set up experiment really do not have a high opinion on humanity, or there really have convinced themselves into calling this 'understanding each other" :eyebrow:

Well, it can go both ways. Ideally, being able to share feelings with other people makes their pain more "real" to you; it eliminates the possibility of treating others as if they weren't even human beings who feel the same as you do. On the other if it's only something as crude as feeling a jolt of pain when pain is inflicted on someone else it's basically physical torture, yeah. But it could be argued that if you're the one inflicting the pain the responsibility for receiving the pain still lies entirely on yourself; all the Kizuna system did was changing the basic rules, it didn't tell you how to act. If the connection was deeper and for example involved also sharing more complex psychological trouble, understanding each other's fear/rejection/inadequacy etc. then it may be more useful, but then again, that's basically Human Instrumentality all over again :heh:. In fact it seems to me this show is already setting its sights on the same themes as Evangelion very quickly.

On another note, this made me think of the Netflix series "Sense 8", if you know it. It involves 8 people connected telepathically (they experience each other's pain but also can "borrow" someone else's skillset for example) and it's pretty good! Sadly, this being anime, it won't have nearly the same amount of unashamed graphic sex as that one :heh: (in Sense 8 there's actually sex of all orientations, including a telepathic pansexual orgy :D ).

[Cerilla]

That was interesting. Very stylish with bold choice of colors. It also kind remind me of Shaft stuffs.

With the pain-sharing system in place, one of them might go to some sort of "suicide mission" with (pardon the game term) combined HP pool. I am not really fond of this development possibility. We'll see where they are going with the story.

[DemonneoPT]

This looks like the anime version of the Sense8 TV series but without the gay sex..lol. Watched it because it's Trigger and they always have this amazing stylish artwork, nice animation and cool characters. With just one episode, not much can be said plot-wise, but let's hope it will become something enjoyable to watch. I do not expect too much logic in this but rather random nonsense, lot's of action and funny moments just like in Kill la Kill. Don't fail me Studio Trigger xD

[Anh_Minh]

I think it's a pretty optimistic view of world peace. If people can blow themselves up just to take randos with them, just sharing pain isn't going to do much.

[Gan_HOPE326]

I do not expect too much logic in this but rather random nonsense, lot's of action and funny moments just like in Kill la Kill. Don't fail me Studio Trigger xD

Not going to happen. This one has "drama" written all over it, plus Mari Okada is writing the script. If you want that, check their other show of this season, Space Patrol Luluco! It's awesomely insane. The only bad thing is it's only a short :(.

[aohige]

The visuals were fantastic, but alas, I couldn't stand the obnoxious men-hera like babblings and concept.
Despite loving the look of the series, I'm probably gonna have to drop this.

[HandofFate]

the girl that did all this to them is pretentious as hell, watching this just for hoping they all murder her in her sleep

[Iron Maw]

I really love the OP and ED, both in terms of aesthetics and songs.

While there still some shows who yet to reavel their OP or ED, as full package I think Kiznaiver definitely has one of best in this season.

I think it's a pretty optimistic view of world peace. If people can blow themselves up just to take randos with them, just sharing pain isn't going to do much.

I fully expect the experiment to fail myself since too narrow in scope to solve a far more complex issue. I'm interested it what comes out of that failure, as long as the show isn't too up it's ass with it's lofty ideals.

[SeaDoor]

The series looks nice and the characters are good however there is an unpleasant arrogance underlying the premise. Does the writer really expect "world peace" when the plot requires a group of humans who believe themselves above everyone else and can treat other people as unwilling guinea pigs in an experiment?

Will keep watching but this has started with a big strike against it.

[DemonneoPT]

The series looks nice and the characters are good however there is an unpleasant arrogance underlying the premise. Does the writer really expect "world peace" when the plot requires a group of humans who believe themselves above everyone else and can treat other people as unwilling guinea pigs in an experiment?


And said group of humans are just a bunch of kids..lol. That is why i was expecting it to be something crazy fun like Kill la Kill. But accordingly to @Gan_HOPE326 , chances are that it will become some kind of serious drama. I do not know... it can still be good, but... i do not know if i can take it seriously given the circunstances presented in the first episode.

[Master_Yoma]

Well thats a nice start the MC seemed like a masochist

[quigonkenny]

The series looks nice and the characters are good however there is an unpleasant arrogance underlying the premise. Does the writer really expect "world peace" when the plot requires a group of humans who believe themselves above everyone else and can treat other people as unwilling guinea pigs in an experiment?

Will keep watching but this has started with a big strike against it.
I imagine the writer expects a massive cluster f**k, if she has any clue about human nature. But I also imagine that some of the series' characters, maybe even some of the people behind this experiment, actually believe it. There are plenty of people IRL who believe "If we can just understand the other person..." then every conflict can be settled. And most of them have no problem using the "benevolent hand of the government" toward those ends. This ain't that different.

I don't know why you're getting so upset, though. You don't see people holding Gendo Ikari's worldview that we would all be better off rendered into a worldwide puddle of goo against Hideki Anno, as if he were championing it. Believe it or not, it is possible for a writer to pen a story in which some of the characters, even the protagonists, believe in a premise that they themselves do not. Especially if the author plans to deconstruct that premise (with extreme prejudice, usually) later on in the story.

And if this show actually ends up trying to justify its idiotic premise? Well, you get some unintentional comedy out of it and move along.

Well thats a nice start the MC seemed like a masochist
In order to be a masochist, one has to enjoy pain. He can't feel his own pain, so I don't think he qualifies.

Might be an interesting development if he does start enjoying his own pain after not feeling it for so long, and becomes a masochist, since he now has a particularly distressing method of causing it...

[pinoscotto]

The series looks nice and the characters are good however there is an unpleasant arrogance underlying the premise. Does the writer really expect "world peace" when the plot requires a group of humans who believe themselves above everyone else and can treat other people as unwilling guinea pigs in an experiment?

Will keep watching but this has started with a big strike against it.

ehm i think this is actually gonna be the point of the series

[Arya]

mmm, speaking the wound-sharing system, Noriko pushed the MC down the stairs and claimed he would have died without their new connections, but all the others didn't seem to have any sings of it and also not appeared being shocked by some random pain/wounds coming out of nowhere ... well, I guess that's how it goes when it comes to first episodes, some details are left out for the cool factor.

Still it made me thing another thing, the flashback girl, is or isn't she Noriko? At this point is not relevant yet, but it's interesting that she tried to commit suicide and in the process erased Agata's ability to feel pain. First thing I could conclude is that she actually died and as drawback Agata lost his ability. Still she was supposed to, ehm, splat to the ground, so how this wound-sharing system works again?
That could suggest that as a way to preserve all the other Kiznaivers, when the damage is too much to handle they get their connections severed, automatically, letting the dying one to actually die without dragging other with him/her.
So, possibly the girl died. (even if I have to admit, I don't believe it until they won't confirm she is not Noriko herself).

The little girl also said that Agata would have had his pain back, right? So that was an outcome they already knew about it, implying possibly an high rate in suicides among the test subjects.
Also, since she was speaking to Agata specifically, it also possible the test groups were actually couples (maybe at the first stages) so Agata and the not!Noriko were a set test of two. Also because Agata seems to be one of a kind when it comes to his lost ability.

Last, this Kizuna System seems to move some other gears since Agata started to remember about the little girl.

[mergele]

Didn't the others get knocked out when he fell down the stairs and that is when they abducted them? Or did I just add that for myself?

[Arya]

Yeah, you are right, forgot this bit. So, may be the shared damage was not that much if split between all of them.

[Yamada II]

Episode 1

This was interesting. They gave a different meaning to "I feel your pain". They can now physically feel each other's pain. I'm curious to see how they use this concept, how they use it to bring the characters close to each other or whatever the hell they want to achieve. I wonder how things would be if they could feel each other's emotional pain or something.

Everyone would get to know what Katsuhira goes through and then they would care because they would actually know the pain he goes through instead of helping him after taking pity on him or feeling sorry for him. Helping each other would now be out of true concern.

The thing about that island city where they're all living is a little bit interesting. Slightly curious about that.

The comedy was good here. Lol Tenga smashing that guy's face with his ass and then sitting on him. That red haired girl was cute. The blonde loli was too retarded. I've never liked characters like her who are too chuuni and childish for their age.

Anyway, I'm interested in this and will keep watching at least a few more episodes.

[dniv]

Before I say how I felt about episode one I have a brief comment about how I feel about anime viewers:

On average, anime fans usually say one of the four things while reviewing a show:

1. It isn't deep enough since it's either comedy or S/L.

2. It isn't lighthearted enough since it's either dark or tragedy.

3. It is melodramatic and pretentious because it takes itself too seriously.

4. It is cheap because it has too much fanservice and tries to appeal too much to fans.

All in all: I have no faith in the general views of anime fans and honestly don't give a sh*t what most of you think. No one commits to anything and just uses absurd reasons to hate stuff that could be perfectly enjoyed if you instead adopted the mindset of looking for something good to digest as opposed to the mindset of trying to find something wrong with the anime that you are watching because you have better things to do with your time than watch it. (Note that I don't care if you all equally disagree with my opinion because I'm just writing it to get it out there not because I expect any of you to actually agree with it.)

Moving on to my actual review.

This show looks like it may be my favorite show yet. Very strong start. This was even more Studio Triggeresque than Kill la Kill was. They're definitely back in style. This will get heavy. I can already tell. This is going to be a masterpiece. :D I like the mix of heavy, light, the undertones, and everything else. The visuals are also outstanding.

I have much faith in this series. This'll probably be my highest priority this season.

Anyway, I just have this to say to the people that have called this show pretentious. All of you get off your high horse. A show doesn't have any reason to pander to you the audience other than the fact that it needs people buying it in order to sell well and make a net profit. It's portraying a message and if it wants to be audacious and ambitious then let it be. You don't need to watch the show and if you don't like it trying to educate you, then just hate on it and watch shows that don't open your horizons and that don't try to impress moral ideas on you for you to then critically digest and either accept or reject.

Shows are only truly pretentious when they go out of their way to kill off (or make suffer) the people in the show itself that disagree with the main ideals of the show. That sort of phenomenon hasn't happened here in the least. When you watch a show, you let the show set the theme and the atmosphere. It isn't pretentious to do that. It's called asking for the audience's respect, and most good shows don't need to earn the audience's respect before trying to go big, because when they wait for the audience to respect them, by the time that happens then they've already wasted airtime and are fated to be above average at best.

Pretentious shows that take themselves seriously are one type of worthwhile show. Earlier I described four things anime fans hate on. While I don't really like dark/gory shows very much, (I still at least respect them and) I essentially like most other types of shows and think that every type of show has its own types of variation in quality based on what it is trying to accomplish. For what this show seems to be trying to accomplish, it's phenomenal. At least, that's my opinion.

[aohige]

All in all: I have no faith in the general views of anime fans and honestly don't give a sh*t what most of you think. No one commits to anything and just uses absurd reasons to hate stuff that could be perfectly enjoyed if you instead adopted the mindset of looking for something good to digest as opposed to the mindset of trying to find something wrong with the anime that you are watching because you have better things to do with your time than watch it. (Note that I don't care if you all equally disagree with my opinion because I'm just writing it to get it out there not because I expect any of you to actually agree with it.)


"Only reason why you don't like a show is because you are looking for things to hate it and you people don't understand the correct mindset to get into a show like I do. Now stfu and don't argue me back because I don't give a shit what you think" is probably the most pretentious thing you could possibly say about subjectivity of preference.

Just saying. Tone it down a notch, buddy.
You can state your opinions of a show without taking a piss in other people's glass. :heh:

[Gan_HOPE326]

Before I say how I felt about episode one I have a brief comment about how I feel about anime viewers:

On average, anime fans usually say one of the four things while reviewing a show:

1. It isn't deep enough since it's either comedy or S/L.

2. It isn't lighthearted enough since it's either dark or tragedy.

3. It is melodramatic and pretentious because it takes itself too seriously.

4. It is cheap because it has too much fanservice and tries to appeal too much to fans.

All in all: I have no faith in the general views of anime fans and honestly don't give a sh*t what most of you think. No one commits to anything and just uses absurd reasons to hate stuff that could be perfectly enjoyed if you instead adopted the mindset of looking for something good to digest as opposed to the mindset of trying to find something wrong with the anime that you are watching because you have better things to do with your time than watch it. (Note that I don't care if you all equally disagree with my opinion because I'm just writing it to get it out there not because I expect any of you to actually agree with it.)

Moving on to my actual review.

This show looks like it may be my favorite show yet. Very strong start. This was even more Studio Triggeresque than Kill la Kill was. They're definitely back in style. This will get heavy. I can already tell. This is going to be a masterpiece. :D I like the mix of heavy, light, the undertones, and everything else. The visuals are also outstanding.

I have much faith in this series. This'll probably be my highest priority this season.

Anyway, I just have this to say to the people that have called this show pretentious. All of you get off your high horse. A show doesn't have any reason to pander to you the audience other than the fact that it needs people buying it in order to sell well and make a net profit. It's portraying a message and if it wants to be audacious and ambitious then let it be. You don't need to watch the show and if you don't like it trying to educate you, then just hate on it and watch shows that don't open your horizons and that don't try to impress moral ideas on you for you to then critically digest and either accept or reject.

Shows are only truly pretentious when they go out of their way to kill off (or make suffer) the people in the show itself that disagree with the main ideals of the show. That sort of phenomenon hasn't happened here in the least. When you watch a show, you let the show set the theme and the atmosphere. It isn't pretentious to do that. It's called asking for the audience's respect, and most good shows don't need to earn the audience's respect before trying to go big, because when they wait for the audience to respect them, by the time that happens then they've already wasted airtime and are fated to be above average at best.

Pretentious shows that take themselves seriously are one type of worthwhile show. Earlier I described four things anime fans hate on. While I don't really like dark/gory shows very much, (I still at least respect them and) I essentially like most other types of shows and think that every type of show has its own types of variation in quality based on what it is trying to accomplish. For what this show seems to be trying to accomplish, it's phenomenal. At least, that's my opinion.

You do realize that maybe the people expressing those 4 complaints aren't always the same, so maybe someone who likes lighthearted will criticize what they feel is pretentious and someone who likes serious drama will say comedy is boring?

Moving on.

I have no problem with anime tackling serious topics. Two of my all time favourite anime are symbolism-heavy mindfucks: Paranoia Agent and Revolutionary Girl Utena. To me, that kind of intellectual anime can be extremely satisfying if well done. What tells apart those shows from merely "pretentious" ones (and at the risk of expressing myself a pretty inflaming opinion here - yes, I put Evangelion too close to the latter category than the former) is in my opinion how much they manage to ACTUALLY convey meaningful messages vs, how they use a lot of sophisticated, philosophical-sounding talk to actually say stuff that you could find written in a fortune cookie at the Chinese restaurant.

Now, I don't think many are really bashing this episode; most of us can agree it was gorgeously directed, had a beautiful style and a great opening and music in general. However, you can't really blame people for being careful about being too passionate about it because they don't want to get disappointed and burned later. This includes me. I think the concept is potentially ripe for interesting social and philosophical reflection, BUT also lends itself to the possibility of a lot of cheap teen drama. And guess which of the two things is Mari Okada famous for (hint: Anohana ended up with an entire episode of everyone crying)? So yeah. It's not weird that people makes some cautious assumptions. They're not bashing the show, I enjoyed the first episode too. I'm just saying I'm not quite ready to scream "masterpiece" - as, if one has to be honest, NO ONE should ever be after merely seeing one episode because there's a long, long history of shows that started well and collapsed on themselves after a while. It's kind of a rule in writing: coming up with a good premise is hard, but coming up with a good ENDING is even harder. Which is why there are lots of anime that start well and end up mediocre (like ERASED) or outright shit.

[dniv]

"Only reason why you don't like a show is because you are looking for things to hate it and you people don't understand the correct mindset to get into a show like I do. Now stfu and don't argue me back because I don't give a shit what you think" is probably the most pretentious thing you could possibly say about subjectivity of preference.

Just saying. Tone it down a notch, buddy.
You can state your opinions of a show without taking a piss in other people's glass. :heh:

You do realize that maybe the people expressing those 4 complaints aren't always the same, so maybe someone who likes lighthearted will criticize what they feel is pretentious and someone who likes serious drama will say comedy is boring?

Moving on.

I have no problem with anime tackling serious topics. Two of my all time favourite anime are symbolism-heavy mindfucks: Paranoia Agent and Revolutionary Girl Utena. To me, that kind of intellectual anime can be extremely satisfying if well done. What tells apart those shows from merely "pretentious" ones (and at the risk of expressing myself a pretty inflaming opinion here - yes, I put Evangelion too close to the latter category than the former) is in my opinion how much they manage to ACTUALLY convey meaningful messages vs, how they use a lot of sophisticated, philosophical-sounding talk to actually say stuff that you could find written in a fortune cookie at the Chinese restaurant.

Now, I don't think many are really bashing this episode; most of us can agree it was gorgeously directed, had a beautiful style and a great opening and music in general. However, you can't really blame people for being careful about being too passionate about it because they don't want to get disappointed and burned later. This includes me. I think the concept is potentially ripe for interesting social and philosophical reflection, BUT also lends itself to the possibility of a lot of cheap teen drama. And guess which of the two things is Mari Okada famous for (hint: Anohana ended up with an entire episode of everyone crying)? So yeah. It's not weird that people makes some cautious assumptions. They're not bashing the show, I enjoyed the first episode too. I'm just saying I'm not quite ready to scream "masterpiece" - as, if one has to be honest, NO ONE should ever be after merely seeing one episode because there's a long, long history of shows that started well and collapsed on themselves after a while. It's kind of a rule in writing: coming up with a good premise is hard, but coming up with a good ENDING is even harder. Which is why there are lots of anime that start well and end up mediocre (like ERASED) or outright shit.

Lol let me clarify a bit, because yeah I was a bit too harsh, but I've been too frustrated lately with the anime community at times. I watched the episode and was really excited about it, and then I scrolled down to the comments section and I see all these masochism jokes and other comments about what would happen if a guy got his gender specific body parts hurt then what would the girls feel and vice-versa and I was like... :mad:

Taking it out on other people here was a bit inappropriate so I apologize for that. I don't want to edit my other post though because some of what I said in it reflects my actual feelings.

Now let me explain two things.

First, I understand that different people are the ones that complain that a show is either too A or too B or too C or too D... what bothers me is that people in the anime community are very selfish because they should know that it is impossible to make good shows by not pushing one of those extremes (either going too A, too B, too C, or too D), and why complain if the point of the show is to touch one of those extremes that you just personally can't stand? I mean I dislike Attack on Titan, but that doesn't mean that I'm unaware of the really great symbolism in its manga (even if I personally don't follow or like it). I'm sort of fed up with people calling something too Moe or too this or that because people say it as if that makes the show bad or something (and I don't even like Moe very much lol). The thing is: just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad. It just means that you aren't the target audience. Why hate on something that you don't like as if you are morally opposed to it? In my opinion it's because people here understand that when shows come out that cover the things that they aren't personally interested in, then less shows are released in the genres they prefer, so they'll act selfishly and put down things that they don't personally enjoy. Maybe I'm just being cynical but that's where I was coming from on that end.

The second point that I want to make is that saying that I don't care about what other people think is actually not completely true. I do care about what some of the people on this site have to say. I care about the people who listen to what other people say (and who actually care about saying something meaningful). A lot of people on this site ignore everything that doesn't match with their already set-in-stone opinions and they just try to force their opinions on other people. I do that to, but at least I sometimes change my mind. :heh: I'm just saying that to the sort of people who'll see a post like that and go: "tldr." I just don't care if you don't want to read what I'm writing. I'll write it anyway and if you don't want to engage in discussion then I'll just ignore you.

This wasn't directed at the people who are trying to actually engage in critical discussion on this site. I'm just talking about people who don't believe in subjectivity of preference or who just don't accept the opinions of other people. :heh:

Anyway, thanks for being civilized both of you... you could have honestly responded much meaner to that lol, so thanks. :)

Anyway, @Gan_HOPE326, I see what you mean. You're doing that thing where people go like it looks good but I don't know if it'll possibly screw up later so I'm going to go into this liking it but not assuming that it is a masterpiece. I respect that angle, but I normally just lose interest without really noticing if I see the signs that something is getting worse and so I usually don't get disappointed if I hype it up in advance. :heh: (I also understand what you mean about not just sounding sophisticated, but also actually saying something... but I can already see some subtle signs that stuff will be said and not just pompously hinted at. :heh: )

I didn't watch Erased, so I was spared from that bad ending. It's especially sad in that case because I heard that the anime was even faithful to the original story, and yet it was still bad because the original was also bad. :(

I just have a lot of faith in Studio Trigger at the moment. They really put a lot of effort into Kill la Kill and have created very interesting things aesthetically in their own original works. I have faith. :heh: It's like how I've learned to believe in Kamachi Kazuma when he is writing a new Index book. It doesn't matter how bad it looks at first, it'll end up amazing. This is why when I trust a studio, it's easier for me, after seeing a strong start, to doubly assume that it'll go well. I don't always feel that way, but Trigger put so much effort and had so much consistent quality in Kill la Kill that I feel really optimistic about this.

I understand that this can be messed up... but as I see it... enough people are going through the "shared pain" of making this show that they'll all work together to make sure that the show doesn't screw up somewhere because if not then they're all going down together. :eyespin:

[pinoscotto]

Didn't the others get knocked out when he fell down the stairs and that is when they abducted them? Or did I just add that for myself?

Even if they were awake, i think they would feel no pain, being MC unable to feel any

[Gan_HOPE326]

Lol let me clarify a bit, because yeah I was a bit too harsh, but I've been too frustrated lately with the anime community at times. I watched the episode and was really excited about it, and then I scrolled down to the comments section and I see all these masochism jokes and other comments about what would happen if a guy got his gender specific body parts hurt then what would the girls feel and vice-versa and I was like... :mad:

Taking it out on other people here was a bit inappropriate so I apologize for that. I don't want to edit my other post though because some of what I said in it reflects my actual feelings.

Now let me explain two things.

First, I understand that different people are the ones that complain that a show is either too A or too B or too C or too D... what bothers me is that people in the anime community are very selfish because they should know that it is impossible to make good shows by not pushing one of those extremes (either going too A, too B, too C, or too D), and why complain if the point of the show is to touch one of those extremes that you just personally can't stand? I mean I dislike Attack on Titan, but that doesn't mean that I'm unaware of the really great symbolism in its manga (even if I personally don't follow or like it). I'm sort of fed up with people calling something too Moe or too this or that because people say it as if that makes the show bad or something (and I don't even like Moe very much lol). The thing is: just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad. It just means that you aren't the target audience. Why hate on something that you don't like as if you are morally opposed to it? In my opinion it's because people here understand that when shows come out that cover the things that they aren't personally interested in, then less shows are released in the genres they prefer, so they'll act selfishly and put down things that they don't personally enjoy. Maybe I'm just being cynical but that's where I was coming from on that end.

The second point that I want to make is that saying that I don't care about what other people think is actually not completely true. I do care about what some of the people on this site have to say. I care about the people who listen to what other people say (and who actually care about saying something meaningful). A lot of people on this site ignore everything that doesn't match with their already set-in-stone opinions and they just try to force their opinions on other people. I do that to, but at least I sometimes change my mind. :heh: I'm just saying that to the sort of people who'll see a post like that and go: "tldr." I just don't care if you don't want to read what I'm writing. I'll write it anyway and if you don't want to engage in discussion then I'll just ignore you.

This wasn't directed at the people who are trying to actually engage in critical discussion on this site. I'm just talking about people who don't believe in subjectivity of preference or who just don't accept the opinions of other people. :heh:

Anyway, thanks for being civilized both of you... you could have honestly responded much meaner to that lol, so thanks. :)

Anyway, @Gan_HOPE326, I see what you mean. You're doing that thing where people go like it looks good but I don't know if it'll possibly screw up later so I'm going to go into this liking it but not assuming that it is a masterpiece. I respect that angle, but I normally just lose interest without really noticing if I see the signs that something is getting worse and so I usually don't get disappointed if I hype it up in advance. :heh: (I also understand what you mean about not just sounding sophisticated, but also actually saying something... but I can already see some subtle signs that stuff will be said and not just pompously hinted at. :heh: )

I didn't watch Erased, so I was spared from that bad ending. It's especially sad in that case because I heard that the anime was even faithful to the original story, and yet it was still bad because the original was also bad. :(

I just have a lot of faith in Studio Trigger at the moment. They really put a lot of effort into Kill la Kill and have created very interesting things aesthetically in their own original works. I have faith. :heh: It's like how I've learned to believe in Kamachi Kazuma when he is writing a new Index book. It doesn't matter how bad it looks at first, it'll end up amazing. This is why when I trust a studio, it's easier for me, after seeing a strong start, to doubly assume that it'll go well. I don't always feel that way, but Trigger put so much effort and had so much consistent quality in Kill la Kill that I feel really optimistic about this.

I understand that this can be messed up... but as I see it... enough people are going through the "shared pain" of making this show that they'll all work together to make sure that the show doesn't screw up somewhere because if not then they're all going down together. :eyespin:


I get the point. I liked a lot of the stuff Trigger has done too - as far as sheer enjoyment goes I think Kill la Kill has been my favourite show in YEARS, able to make me feel that "giddy" feeling I had when I watched shonen anime as a kid again. Little Witch Academia was excellent, and Inferno Cop hilarious. But for example I didn't like the Supernatural Battles anime, which they clearly made just to rack up some quick buck. So there you go, if I had to judge their two shows this season, my trust goes actually to Space Patrol Luluco, which is their most traditional kind of show. I already love it and am 100% invested in it. As for Kiznaiver, it's a foray in a new genre for them. The first episode alone earned my respect because of how amazingly original and creative they were with the direction and the visuals. But while I love Trigger, I have deep reservations about Okada's writing from past shows, so that's why I am on the edge. Trigger is doing the execution, but it's HER story, and I am not sure how well that can end. That's why I'm being careful.

As for the rest, someone might say that something is too "pretentious/moe/loud" or whatever just as a way of saying that it doesn't fit their taste. But I DO agree with you that it's annoying when it almost becomes like making something sound as if it's morally wrong, and I know the aniblogger community for example does that a lot. I do understand the reason behind it when it involves stuff that can feel outrageous in content, but it's something that has definitely become more and more widespread to a ridiculous level (for example, always staying in the topic of Trigger, I have seen people calling Kill la Kill a terrible show because they thought it was *sexist* because of its fanservice - despite the fact that it was mostly only visual and as opposed to your average show the anime actually had plenty of fully fleshed out female characters in all the main roles). It's definitely annoying because yes, when it's pushed to that extent it goes beyond a declaration of personal distaste and goes as far as being in fact an insult to those who like it (because after all how can you like something that's outright immoral without being somehow bad yourself?).

[Arya]

Even if they were awake, i think they would feel no pain, being MC unable to feel any

Wait, I think It's not how it works actually :) He can't feel the pain, but the pain it's still there. I think it's more like being deaf, you can't hear sound, but sound is still around you. In fact they felt it/him when Noriko hit him with the taser!

[Gan_HOPE326]

Wait, I think It's not how it works actually :) He can't feel the pain, but the pain it's still there. I think it's more like being deaf, you can't hear sound, but sound is still around you. In fact they felt it/him when Noriko hit him with the taser!

The question is whether they merely split the "pain" (which is pretty easy to do ideally, probably we could somewhat already try something crudely similar with modern technology) or if they also split the "damage" (which would be outright magic). The bit about the staircase makes one think it's the latter, but on the other hand, no one mentioned feeling THAT. I guess the only explanation could be that they still all were undergoing surgery and were anaesthetized at the time. The timeline of the episode was a bit muddled due to the purposefully jerky direction, towards the middle it was more like a dream than a linear narration until they finally wake up in the facility.

[dniv]

I get the point. I liked a lot of the stuff Trigger has done too - as far as sheer enjoyment goes I think Kill la Kill has been my favourite show in YEARS, able to make me feel that "giddy" feeling I had when I watched shonen anime as a kid again. Little Witch Academia was excellent, and Inferno Cop hilarious. But for example I didn't like the Supernatural Battles anime, which they clearly made just to rack up some quick buck. So there you go, if I had to judge their two shows this season, my trust goes actually to Space Patrol Luluco, which is their most traditional kind of show. I already love it and am 100% invested in it. As for Kiznaiver, it's a foray in a new genre for them. The first episode alone earned my respect because of how amazingly original and creative they were with the direction and the visuals. But while I love Trigger, I have deep reservations about Okada's writing from past shows, so that's why I am on the edge. Trigger is doing the execution, but it's HER story, and I am not sure how well that can end. That's why I'm being careful.

As for the rest, someone might say that something is too "pretentious/moe/loud" or whatever just as a way of saying that it doesn't fit their taste. But I DO agree with you that it's annoying when it almost becomes like making something sound as if it's morally wrong, and I know the aniblogger community for example does that a lot. I do understand the reason behind it when it involves stuff that can feel outrageous in content, but it's something that has definitely become more and more widespread to a ridiculous level (for example, always staying in the topic of Trigger, I have seen people calling Kill la Kill a terrible show because they thought it was *sexist* because of its fanservice - despite the fact that it was mostly only visual and as opposed to your average show the anime actually had plenty of fully fleshed out female characters in all the main roles). It's definitely annoying because yes, when it's pushed to that extent it goes beyond a declaration of personal distaste and goes as far as being in fact an insult to those who like it (because after all how can you like something that's outright immoral without being somehow bad yourself?).

Lol. I still haven't the other Trigger show you mentioned yet this season. Though I agree with you having more confidence in it: they're better at original shows that they have full control over (and your description of it making you feel that giddy excitement that shonen shows once gave you when you were a kid is pretty well portrayed :p). I'm just hopeful this time around because they have a moderate amount of control over the show and I think that Okada should be able to deliver at least sometimes. She does sometimes strike gold, lol. IIRC.

As far as my thoughts about Trigger foraying into something new: I think I have higher confidence in them precisely when they try to do that. I mean, they haven't made many shows, but from the current sample of past work that they've done, they're quite passionate about revolutionizing the anime industry and how anime is done, so it is precisely when they're to do something new and different (and outside of their own comfort zone) that they'll end up putting a ton of effort and quality into it. :eyespin:

Regarding your comments about the morality aspect, I vehemently agree with you. People in the anime community tend to declare that things are bad if they don't personally like it. Often they'll not just say that it is bad, but also that if you like it you have bad taste. It is true that a lot of these criticisms come from people who, because they strongly hate (or are personally offended by) particular aspects of an otherwise excellent show, interpret the rest of the content in those shows through the "I want to have a reason to hate this show" lens because part of its content offends them in some significant way. I understand the emotional aspect of how people can decry shows that have small scenes (that aren't the point of the main message of the show) which are quite offensive to certain groups of people. However, these people need to understand that even if they are uncomfortable with certain elements of a show, that doesn't mean that rest of the show is bad. As long as a show doesn't actively have something that offends you as its main theme, then maybe you can personally dislike it because it includes something that matters to you on a personal level (which you dislike), but you decrying others for not caring about that element of the show as much and instead paying attention to the intended themes of the show, is just plain disrespectful towards other people.

Kiznavier really was quite good so I don't have anything to find fault in it for now. (And it already posed some interesting points like providing a possible explanation as to why some people may be specifically bullied over an extended span of time in their lives). I think the main character is especially interesting; he seems very original. I'll also add that a good chunk of the reason why I'm optimistic about this show is that it's sort of easy to tell that they're going to talk about how pain is necessary to have proper empathy towards others, and every series I have seen/read which has focused on that has had some great things to say.

The only thing that I'm feeling a bit anxious about is the inevitable plot point that should appear later on where there will be a person that enjoys the pain of others. I expect a darker plot progression when that happens, but I'm interested in what they have to say about that, because if they're doing a show about this topic then they must have some clever answer to that phenomenon (unless this is going to be a tragedy lol). :(

But wow, Trigger is only doing original shows about controversial topics. They first picked fanservice and clothes. Now they're picking empathy and pain. :D Excited for episode 2! :)

[Chosen_Hero]

Wow, that one chick was pretentious AF, so much so that I think this gave Nisioisin an orgasm. Not bad, but man do they need to tone it down a bit, will keep watching because of Kill la Kill so this could end up turning into something pretty cool at some point.

[Gan_HOPE326]

But wow, Trigger is only doing original shows about controversial topics. They first picked fanservice and clothes. Now they're picking empathy and pain. :D Excited for episode 2! :)

I thought Kill la Kill actually had SOME "symbolic" value beyond its simple action show aesthetic (I actually wrote a blog post about that once: https://nerditis.com/2014/04/07/kill-la-kill-and-being-a-nerd-or-why-its-good-to-seriously-joke-around/). And I really didn't feel it was being sexist, in fact I think Imaishi was actually trying to make a more egalitarian statement in his own way (which always passes through being extremely silly). After all a show's message changed depending on how the viewer filters it: so if a show only transmits the "offensive" message to some, and to others is innocuous or even empowering then you have to acknowledge the problem could as well just be that it's not communicating with you. Of course if a show is blatantly endorsing, say, racism or the holocaust, I can totally see why you'd hate on it and consider it bad. And in general shows that are too heavy on the "political propaganda" aspect of ANY side (including mine) tend to be preachy and annoying, which lowers their artistic quality. But on the other hand reading politically every show is incredibly delicate because you would need to separate your personal feelings, the author's intent, and what would be the most common interpretation of something. What others think DOES matter because if for example you think the show is transmitting a sexist message but you're the only one seeing it then it's not really transmitting that message to anyone except you anyway (though there is also the case of people simply picking up stuff without really realizing its long term implications, of course).

[aohige]

@dniv

It's not a thematic issue, but rather that of narrative.
If you want a good psychoanalysis anime, check out any of Kon Satoshi (bless his soul, he was a true genius) works like Paranoia Agent.

This anime suffers from the same problem that plagues so many anime nowadays, where the staff feels forced to put all the eggs in the basket on the first episode, run through exposition (and in this case the token crazy girl talk to attempt aesthetic of complexity) and present the whole cast and premise as soon as possible.
This makes for a terrible narrative for storytelling. It basically resorts to "crazy girl explaining everything".

Also, you said you don't listen to others, yet clearly stated that you have NOT watched Erased, and passing judgement from what you've heard.
That seems like a contradiction to what you propose to be your belief.
In fact, majority of impression for Erased were fairly positive, and the anime suffers excessive criticism from the vocal few. I actually found it to be a pretty decent anime, and this comes from someone who loved the manga enough to own all the volumes (except the last one, coming out later this month)

[Gan_HOPE326]

In fact, majority of impression for Erased were fairly positive, and the anime suffers excessive criticism from the vocal few. It's actually was a pretty decent anime, and this comes from someone who loved the manga enough to own all the volumes (except the last one, coming out later this month)

Mind you, I was the one who mentioned Erased first. And it wasn't as an example of an anime that's outright bad; just one that had an ending that didn't fully live up to its original apparent potential and was somehow disappointing. Far from me to think it was terrible or anything, it was just the first example that came to my mind of something that didn't live up to its initial quality standards for me.

[dniv]

@dniv

It's not a thematic issue, but rather that of narrative.
If you want a good psychoanalysis anime, check out any of Kon Satoshi (bless his soul, he was a true genius) works like Paranoia Agent.

This anime suffers from the same problem that plagues so many anime nowadays, where the staff feels forced to put all the eggs in the basket on the first episode, run through exposition (and in this case the token crazy girl talk to attempt aesthetic of complexity) and present the whole cast and premise as soon as possible.
This makes for a terrible narrative for storytelling. It basically resorts to "crazy girl explaining everything".

Also, you said you don't listen to others, yet clearly stated that you have NOT watched Erased, and passing judgement from what you've heard.
That seems like a contradiction to what you propose to be your belief.
In fact, majority of impression for Erased were fairly positive, and the anime suffers excessive criticism from the vocal few. I actually found it to be a pretty decent anime, and this comes from someone who loved the manga enough to own all the volumes (except the last one, coming out later this month)

I guess I'll check out Paranoia Agent if you think the creator is that much of a genius. I haven't heard that sort of praise in a while. Sounds like what I'd say about Kamachi Kazuma (though he's a rare sort of genius).

When I mentioned Erased like Gan_HOPE326 said, I was actually saying that I have many friends who thought the entire show was a masterpiece up until the last episode which was supposedly "utter" trash or at least not comparable in quality to the rest of the series. Things weren't resolved very nicely is what I've heard.

As far as me saying that I don't listen to what others say... I don't remember me saying that? I mean that I don't care if others read what I have to say or not? And I also specifically stated that I do listen to others and to what they have to say which is the sort of person on this site that I find it worth to discuss with. :heh: So maybe you misunderstood or I'm guessing I don't understand what you're trying to say?

As far as what you say about Ep 1. I agree that it isn't anything like Gankutsuou which could take its sweet time. However, maybe this show is just so fast-paced like Kill la Kill that it's going to cover a lot and so it is absolutely necessary to introduce all of that in the first episode? Either way, from my perspective, whether people like or hate the first episode has to do with how much faith you have in the studio. If you have faith that things will be better later, then you don't mind if things seem weird at first. And if you don't have enough faith because you're unsure about how good they are, then you'll tend to view it negatively. I think that's what is actually going on lol. I have faith though so I am not perturbed by the first episode and think that this show has a lot of potential. FYI for most of the masterpieces that I like they start out worse in order to get better later and so far this fits the bill. This has a lot of potential, but hasn't done anything amazing and has just set things up. But that bodes well for me. *shrugs*

Mind you, I was the one who mentioned Erased first. And it wasn't as an example of an anime that's outright bad; just one that had an ending that didn't fully live up to its original apparent potential and was somehow disappointing. Far from me to think it was terrible or anything, it was just the first example that came to my mind of something that didn't live up to its initial quality standards for me.

Yeah, this was what I was trying to say as well. I've heard about plenty of shows that are either too ambitious or that don't end with as much quality. It's always a shame when that happens. While this isn't really an example of ending with poor quality: the animation in Kuroko's basketball peaked at the end of episode 24 of season 3 and the animation in episode 25 of season 3 was still good but not nearly as incredible as the animation for a few moments in episode 24 which was honestly probably still fairly better than the animation in episode 1 of Kiznaiver during the OP. :p (Actually it was relatively similar in style TBH.)

[Gan_HOPE326]

I guess I'll check out Paranoia Agent if you think the creator is that much of a genius. I haven't heard that sort of praise in a while. Sounds like what I'd say about Kamachi Kazuma (though he's a rare sort of genius).

Ok, I'm going OT here but:

you really have to. Satoshi Kon didn't make much animated stuff - Paranoia Agent is his only series, and then there's a few movies - but it's all pretty great. Paranoia Agent is a genius exploration of alienation and escapism in modern society. More stuff to check out from him is Millennium Actress , Tokyo Godfathers (the ultimate Christmas feel-good comedy, seriously) Paprika and Perfect Blue. Which is to say, everything. Hell, recently I found out this manga series he was writing before he got snatched by the world of animation, Opus, and it's great too! Too bad it was left incomplete and then he just wrapped it up in a chapter that he never published but was now added posthumously to the edition I bought. Still managed to give it a satisfying ending.

[pinoscotto]

Wait, I think It's not how it works actually :) He can't feel the pain, but the pain it's still there. I think it's more like being deaf, you can't hear sound, but sound is still around you. In fact they felt it/him when Noriko hit him with the taser!

i think that the pian felt by each of them depends on who is hitten, this way MC not feeling any pain could be more interesting (he could fell other's)

[Anh_Minh]

The question is whether they merely split the "pain" (which is pretty easy to do ideally, probably we could somewhat already try something crudely similar with modern technology) or if they also split the "damage" (which would be outright magic).
Speaking of, a slap divided by 6 shouldn't really hurt. So is the pain duplicated?

[quigonkenny]

Speaking of, a slap divided by 6 shouldn't really hurt. So is the pain duplicated?
Usually a slap doesn't leave knuckle marks...

[Gan_HOPE326]

Speaking of, a slap divided by 6 shouldn't really hurt. So is the pain duplicated?

For now I assumed it might have just been exaggerated for dramatic effect since it's the first time, and then maybe they all gasped also because they were taken by surprise. I'd wait to see how it goes. But it's also true that properly "dividing" the pain all the time wouldn't make much sense for world peace, because if everyone was connected, then even the pain of, say, torturing someone to death would be nothing once it's divided by 8 billion people. So an amplification factor makes sense.

[pinoscotto]

For now I assumed it might have just been exaggerated for dramatic effect since it's the first time, and then maybe they all gasped also because they were taken by surprise. I'd wait to see how it goes. But it's also true that properly "dividing" the pain all the time wouldn't make much sense for world peace, because if everyone was connected, then even the pain of, say, torturing someone to death would be nothing once it's divided by 8 billion people. So an amplification factor makes sense.

why is everyone so sure she was telling the truth about it?

[Gan_HOPE326]

why is everyone so sure she was telling the truth about it?

Ah, interesting question. Yeah, we're not sure. Given that the city is supposedly a huge social experiment I'd expect the government to be behind it, and really there's not much point to something like this if it's not for that intended purpose? Mind you, whether it's meant in the most obvious, well-intentioned way ("connected people will understand each other and so we'll have world peace") or slightly more twisted ("we can inflict pain on whoever we want and therefore with this deterrent we'll have world peace"). I just get the feeling this show is the kind that is more concerned with exploring the consequences of its conceit than framing it within a larger plot. So I think she's in good faith, which doesn't mean of course she isn't also full of shit. She just believes that shit herself.

[dniv]

For now I assumed it might have just been exaggerated for dramatic effect since it's the first time, and then maybe they all gasped also because they were taken by surprise. I'd wait to see how it goes. But it's also true that properly "dividing" the pain all the time wouldn't make much sense for world peace, because if everyone was connected, then even the pain of, say, torturing someone to death would be nothing once it's divided by 8 billion people. So an amplification factor makes sense.

Lol I was also wondering about this. I think it was either dramatic effect or they all have some cray arm-strength... or the pain they experience is possibly increased if they do it to each other... but that seems silly since I don't see how it'd be able to tell... but maybe.

Ah, interesting question. Yeah, we're not sure. Given that the city is supposedly a huge social experiment I'd expect the government to be behind it, and really there's not much point to something like this if it's not for that intended purpose? Mind you, whether it's meant in the most obvious, well-intentioned way ("connected people will understand each other and so we'll have world peace") or slightly more twisted ("we can inflict pain on whoever we want and therefore with this deterrent we'll have world peace"). I just get the feeling this show is the kind that is more concerned with exploring the consequences of its conceit than framing it within a larger plot. So I think she's in good faith, which doesn't mean of course she isn't also full of shit. She just believes that shit herself.

Lol. Yeah. Kill la Kill was like that too though. Its conceit just extended very far. *shrugs*

IMO, I don't think things are that simple. Like I said a bit earlier, I suspect that there will be a plot point revolving around the idea that some people enjoy inflicting pain on others. I'm sure the show will have something to say about this point. I say this because I'm sure the writer of the show noticed this point at the initial planning stages of the story long, long ago. Therefore, I expect this to either be covered late in the game like most dramatic shows do... or I expect this to be dealt with multiple times over the course of this series and early on as well (if the style is more like Kill la Kill) because with Kill la Kill, they really tackled issues much earlier than expected, but also came back to them later on. It depends on how much they influence the style of the show. :)

Also, I was under the impression that this was going to be short. I guess the unknown total number of episodes means that it could actually be longer. I just assumed that this would be shorter for some reason. Hmm hopefully it ends up being longer as long as it maintains the high quality.

[Dengar]

I wouldn't assume that the _writer_ is the one telling us that feeling eachother's pain will lead to world peace.

I mean if that's the message then the show would have ended right then and there. However this is merely the beginning, so it's a pretty strange conclusion to reach.

[Maxulous]

Snobs might say otherwise, but I thought that was a strong visual display from Trigger. Nice OP sequence too. Unfortunately story-wise it could go either way.

[Anh_Minh]

For now I assumed it might have just been exaggerated for dramatic effect since it's the first time, and then maybe they all gasped also because they were taken by surprise. I'd wait to see how it goes. But it's also true that properly "dividing" the pain all the time wouldn't make much sense for world peace, because if everyone was connected, then even the pain of, say, torturing someone to death would be nothing once it's divided by 8 billion people. So an amplification factor makes sense.

I don't think the point is to divide pain by 8 billion, but to teach empathy even for people very different from you (thus all of them representing a different "sin"). So, lots of different Kiznaiver cells of a few people, rather than chaining the whole population together.

[quigonkenny]

I have a hard time seeing this series as any kind of pretentious unless it starts drinking its own Kool-Aid. I think it much more likely that it's going to be a deconstruction of the Kiznaiver experiment's central premise. Even a child could tell you that not everybody reacts to the same situation the same way, and the whole premise of Kiznaiver falls apart if any of the participants react differently or unexpectedly to the stimulus. It has to force a collective behavior pattern, and these participants couldn't be more individual...

[Sagitta Luminis]

Trigger, you are great the way you are, you don't need to try to be Shaft.

[Stark700]

Episode 2:

I have some mixed feelings about the comedy of this show. It has the Trigger feel to it but also more than what I had expected despite having a serious premise. The self-introductions were pretty fun to watch as it reveals the flaws of the main cast.

Although there's that one girl...named Honoka. She killed someone before? Okay, now I'm rather interested to know about her more than the others.

And lol, I kinda feel bad about Yuta this episode. I also wonder what Noriko's weakness really is...

[Botan_TM]

This is like Anime Trigger edition of Anger Management.

So far sharing pain was good to.... terrorize them.

[DragoonKain3]

Oh God, the osananajimi HHNNGGGG levels were off the chart this episode. Not only Chidori (which was expected), but surprisingly the normally stoic Sonozaki has a lot to say to Katsuhira, even going so far to try and 'seduce' him. Okada pls, I can only take so much moe... :heh:

[Requiem-x]

Blunt as the method was, I'm glad the childhood friend usual stuff was dealt with this fast, and it was a pretty nice moment as well.

I'm still not sure as to where this is going, but I'm willing to find out now.

Also, is it me or those "self-introductions" mark a big line between two halfs of our cast?

[Gan_HOPE326]

That was a great episode! I loved the lighter atmosphere, it was fun and entertaining to watch while naturally delivering a lot of character development on these guys. Of course what's happening to them is pretty awful by any standards, but better not think too hard about that :heh:. The visuals and direction are stellar as always (dat obituary scene) and that girl having killed someone is a great hook. Now I want to watch the next episode ASAP. I'm definitely more on board than I was after the first episode.

[wuhugm]

In the end, the loyal osananajimi will be defeated by the newcomer girl from magical land.

It's always like that...

[Anh_Minh]

In the end, the loyal osananajimi will be defeated by the newcomer girl from magical land.

I think you mean the forgotten childhood friend.

[Flower]

Ep 02

Such a weird and off kilter series ... after the episode I really did not know quite what my reaction was to it and am still processing it. There are elements that make sense, some that do not, and the method of presentation reminds me a little of a cat in hyper-spastic playful mode. It can be sorta endearing, but it is certainly ... erratic, I suppose?

On the one hand it makes sense that there would be an episode of everyone getting to know each other (the mayor playing golf gave me the heebie jeebies BTW) but ... like that? :heh:

Yeah ... I feel like I am going to have to give it a few more EPS before the series begins to show its cards (or at least it's main purpose - it has already shown plenty of its "stylistics").

[IceHism]

Episode was great. I liked how they got out all the quirks introduced only in the second episode.

More time to subvert them is better for me.

Also, boo, i need to know more about Sonozaki Noriko, i hope it doesn't take too long before they give out some more details on her. Some how, i don't feel like the show is suppose to make us laugh. That was just the characters laughing at each other.

[Wandering Soul]

They dealt with that childhood friend stuff earlier than I thought they would. I want to root for Chidori, but her type usually end losing to the mysterious new girl who may or may not actually be a forgotten childhood friend.

I wonder how much Noriko actually cares about this "whole save the thing". She's giving me the impression that she is doing this more for Sonozaki than for any actual world saving.

[Arya]

Loved the episode. The visuals are excellent and I liked the direction even if is not exactly what I was expecting. The comedy wasn't intrusive but flowed well with the more serious tone that the events and the premise set up. Tone that you always was reminded to when Noriko and Agata were on screen.
So in the first episode we got the shallow presentation of the "subjects" and the second immediately tried to dig and break that surface.
Yeah, definitely I'm glad they dealt fast with the elephant childhood in the room. That in the end said more about Agata than Chidori herself actually.

Also, boo, i need to know more about Sonozaki Noriko, i hope it doesn't take too long before they give out some more details on her. Some how, i don't feel like the show is suppose to make us laugh. That was just the characters laughing at each other. I want to know about her too, but considering her role we will have to wait for a while. Still she herself is giving hints now and then, I woundn't have expected even that little.

I may be wrong but as of now I'm getting the impression that Noriko may be pretending to care for the experiments but instead is doing all this just to make Agata back to normal. She knows a lot about him.
The question in that regard is if she learned it through this same treatment or she was actually also a childhood friend of him. (yeah, because at this point the possibility that she was the same suicide girl rose quite a bit).

In any case, this is definitely my favorite show of the season.

[Haak]

Hilarious second episode. Finding out the embarrassing secrets was funny beyond belief and concluding with the more endearing ones was great. Then it added it a bit of spice by capping off with a darker secret (although I'm pretty sure it'll be a sort of "blaming myself for an accident"). This is really turning outto be quite the show.

[Yamada II]

Episode 2

So that girl is forcing this bunch to befriend each other and tell each other a secret they don't want anyone to ever know.

The muscle head is afraid of dogs, the lady killer guy was once obese, Maki supposedly killed someone, and the most obvious of all, Chidori was in love with Katsuhira. The best one was easily Nico's – she isn't an annoying little chuuni girl lol. She was too perfect so she wanted to be a little less perfect so she started spewing all that nonsense about fairies and shit when she didn't even believe in fairies.

Lol whenever they said something which wasn't required, Katsuhira got zapped which in turn zapped everyone else. Lol in the end Chidori was slapping Katsuhira and in turn, everyone else was also getting slapped lol.

This episode was interesting. The kids are all in the same class but never even talked to one another and now they're being forced to be friends – they're being forced to tell each other stuff you'd only tell your closest friend. That's skipping a lot of steps lol. The comedy was good here again. I'm still interested in what exactly the purpose of this Kizuna system is. That's the intriguing bit.

[Dop]

Yeah. The second episode was the charm here. That whole 'reveal your darkest secret' thing worked for me, and now I'm in for the long run here.

[Chosen_Hero]

So in this episode we have:

- Kidnapping
- Invasion of privacy
- Outrigh torture
- Forcefully triggering someone's phobia
- Forceful reveal of personal information (althought the playboy's secret was hilarious AF, he totally deserves it:heh:)
- Death threats
- Knowingly putting lives at risk

How the fuck does a government get away with a project that does these things? Besides it's not like the chances of this kind of project actually creating a "peaceful society" are any different than leaving things to run their normal course. Heck, if anything I think something like this could just be the trigger (no pun intended) for something even worse, it only takes one person to fuck up everything, one out of their mind individual. I just can't help but think about the drawbacks something like this could have on individuals and society as a whole.:eyespin:

P.S. Having them answer a question you don't even want to tell them isn't the best way to start a project.

[Harbinger]

Well, I guess we could say that it only took 2 episodes for that love confession!

[xeviouses]

Welp, this episode proved the shows worth for me.

Still I'm convinced this really isn't a project for a peaceful society, but just another messed up social experiment.

[Applehell]

I liked this week better than last. I guess this will very much be a show about putting these kids through extreme situations and revelations in order to grow stronger relations then most people have. The pain itself will form the base of a bigger bond that binds everyone. At least I think the general behind this experiment. Whether or not it will lead to valid soultion to h7man conflict is another matter altogether.

It's kinda nice that Chidori revealled her childhood crush to Katsuhira, but with him the way as he is it probably won't go anywhere for awhile.

[Chosen_Hero]

I liked this week better than last. I guess this will very much be a show about putting these kids through extreme situations and revelations in order to grow stronger relations then most people have. The pain itself will form the base of a bigger bond that binds everyone. At least I think the general behind this experiment. Whether or not it will lead to valid soultion to h7man conflict is another matter altogether.

It's kinda nice that Chidori revealled her childhood crush to Katsuhira, but with him the way as he is it probably won't go anywhere for awhile.

It will in some way since, you know, anime.

If it does go anywhere than I'll be pleasantly surprised, that's if you know, he doesn't end up chasing after that one other girl who is clearly the one from his memories, remember that japan seems to hate the childhood friend characters.

[serenade_beta]

Hmm, Mayoiga turned out so well, but still not sure what Mari is trying to get at here.
I thought at first everyone had a secret agenda or something, but it turns out their great secret involved being fat, phobias, and pretending(?) to be mental.
...'Kay?
So everyone are actually normal people. Still can't see where this is trying to go. They are splitting the pain (though people in this universe must feel x5 times the pain of normal people, since their reaction is more like "share" and not "split"), which happens to negate physical damage since the protagonist is relatively fine from falling down stairs, and a crazy chuu-ni girl is... chuu-ni-ing.

Oh and yes, "I killed someone" "I killed someone". *pats on head*
I heard that last season too from a German girl with long blonde hair. Let me give you the template "OMG?!" face.

As always, the animation itself is plenty fine (outside the flickering OP) and enjoyable though.

[PreSage]

I get this...yet I still don't get it. I'll give it a few more episodes to see if this actually leads to anything or merely continued torture of these poor kids for their secrets...until they reveal their bank account numbers.

[Gan_HOPE326]

So in this episode we have:

- Kidnapping
- Invasion of privacy
- Outrigh torture
- Forcefully triggering someone's phobia
- Forceful reveal of personal information (althought the playboy's secret was hilarious AF, he totally deserves it:heh:)
- Death threats
- Knowingly putting lives at risk

How the fuck does a government get away with a project that does these things? Besides it's not like the chances of this kind of project actually creating a "peaceful society" are any different than leaving things to run their normal course. Heck, if anything I think something like this could just be the trigger (no pun intended) for something even worse, it only takes one person to fuck up everything, one out of their mind individual. I just can't help but think about the drawbacks something like this could have on individuals and society as a whole.:eyespin:

P.S. Having them answer a question you don't even want to tell them isn't the best way to start a project.

Yeah, well, I'd be really surprised if we're supposed to take the lesson that this actually works rather than failing horribly :heh:. Though it's possible that if this episode's comedic streak continues it will be played more lightly than it'd be in reality.

Well, I guess we could say that it only took 2 episodes for that love confession!

Beating the previous record held by Ore Monogatari (3 episodes), no less!

[SuitUp]

"I killed someone"
Gonna bet she didn't actually kill someone directly, but rather she was a bully who caused a suicide or something along those lines...

[kuromitsu]

Well, this was fun, and it had only two eyerollingly awkward, shoehorned-in sex jokes. Oh my god, could it be that Okada Mari is reining herself in? :heh: (That said, I'll be honestly disappointed if we never get a "that time of the month hits the girls" episode. I mean really, this is Okada, if there's anyone to do that sort of thing it would be her.)

I continue to enjoy this show - I'd be lying if I said that it's not, in a great part, due to the fact that I can finally see well-animated and faithful Miwa Shirow character designs, but otherwise Kiznaiver (uh :rolleyes: ) is chugging along nicely. Sure there's a great government conspiracy for a better future blah blah blah obviously stupid and it's not going to work anyway so there's nothing very interesting on that front yet. Hopefully it won't get too pretentious. But I guess the story in this case is mostly a just vehicle to make the characters do their thing and have their drama, and I do enjoy most of the characters so far, they're fun to watch.

By the way, the story really reminds me of something, especially with the confessions in this episode. I can't really put my finger on what, though.

[DemonneoPT]

This week Kiznaiver was like a funny version of the last two Neon Genesis Evangelion episodes :heh:
I like the characters, they are fun with a cool art style and the anime does not take itself too seriously, which made me happy since the story premise is kinda crazy to say at least. No idea if i would like to see heavy drama in it. But for now, i'm entertained!

[Eater of All]

The OP reminds me of Fractale every time, albeit a lot less trippy. :heh:

[Dengar]

You know what I think would be nice? If it actually wasn't an accident or some bollocks. That trope is so overused.

[Gan_HOPE326]

You know what I think would be nice? If it actually wasn't an accident or some bollocks. That trope is so overused.

"But... but I'm sure it wasn't actually your fault, Maki-chan!"
"Oh, it totally was. I choked the life out of that bastard before of my very eyes and enjoyed every second of it. And I would totally do it again, do you hear me?!"

[Benigmatica]

Episode 2:
I wonder why Noriko Sonozaki didn't reveal her secrets where the rest did at her amusement?

Anyways, I'll be interested in Honoka Maki's dark past next week!

[kuromitsu]

"But... but I'm sure it wasn't actually your fault, Maki-chan!"
"Oh, it totally was. I choked the life out of that bastard before of my very eyes and enjoyed every second of it. And I would totally do it again, do you hear me?!"
Yeeeah, I hope it won't go like this... My guess is that she was a bully who either unintentionally killed a victim or caused her to commit suicide.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Yeeeah, I hope it won't go like this... My guess is that she was a bully who either unintentionally killed a victim or caused her to commit suicide.

It'd be more sympathetic for me if it's more like she was the victim and actually killed the bully in self-defence in a fight or something.

OR it could be tied with the past of the Kizuna project. Agata seems to have gone through something that he forgot.

[Arya]

I wonder why Noriko Sonozaki didn't reveal her secrets where the rest did at her amusement?

Well, why should she? She is not a test subject of the experiment, or if she is we are not aware yet, she leads it. There's no point for her to share any information since she doesn't have any connection with them.

Also I suspect that not everything she says is the truth, so if they'd start to know her better there's the cache for her to lose her credibility and such, despite it is a comedic turn I could see if the tone will keep its comedic tones.

[Dengar]

"But... but I'm sure it wasn't actually your fault, Maki-chan!"
"Oh, it totally was. I choked the life out of that bastard before of my very eyes and enjoyed every second of it. And I would totally do it again, do you hear me?!"

Well, that at least would be refreshing. Although I wouldn't mind a more sympathetic angle.

And before anyone goes "but you just said you didn't want it to be an accident trololol". You can spin a sympathetic story without making it into an accident. V_V

[Gan_HOPE326]

Well, that at least would be refreshing. Although I wouldn't mind a more sympathetic angle.

And before anyone goes "but you just said you didn't want it to be an accident trololol". You can spin a sympathetic story without making it into an accident. V_V

"He ran into my knife... he ran into my knife TEN TIMES."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrz54UtkCc

[kuromitsu]

And before anyone goes "but you just said you didn't want it to be an accident trololol". You can spin a sympathetic story without making it into an accident. V_V
I don't think it needs to be sympathetic, per se, she can be someone who did something very bad that she had already regretted and it's been haunting her ever since.

[Dengar]

I would argue that is already sympathetic.

[Haak]

It would have to be extremely sympathetic because otherwise it would be weird to have 5 generally decent people (somewhat) and then one person that could be charged with manslaughter at least. That would feel a little random.

[Gan_HOPE326]

It would have to be extremely sympathetic because otherwise it would be weird to have 5 generally decent people (somewhat) and then one person that could be charged with manslaughter at least. That would feel a little random.

Well, that would be an interesting challenge though. Empathizing between silly high-schoolers is easy. Try empathizing with a murderer instead!

[Kismet-chan]

I also hope Maki has actually killed someone, and it's not just some "I bullied them and they committed suicide" or "I'm at fault for their accident" bullshit. I'm sick of that trope. It gets on my nerves. :mad:

[Gan_HOPE326]

I also hope Maki has actually killed someone, and it's not just some "I bullied them and they committed suicide" or "I'm at fault for their accident" bullshit. I'm sick of that trope. It gets on my nerves. :mad:

Well, keep in mind it has to strike a compromise between "I killed someone" and "how the hell are you not in jail" :heh:.

For me it would be interesting if she literally killed someone, but in self defence. A thief or something. It makes sense she still might be traumatized by the event even if it really wasn't anything wrong per se.

[Dengar]

She's in high school. If she killed someone when she was in middle school or some jazz, depending on the circumstances, her being out and about and not in jail would make sense.

[Arya]

It would have to be extremely sympathetic because otherwise it would be weird to have 5 generally decent people (somewhat) and then one person that could be charged with manslaughter at least. That would feel a little random.

Well, it could also go the other way. We are supposed to think that 5 out of (wait, who is the seventh?) 7 are decent, but so far what the show did was just scratch the surface of them. Agata said that he doesn't know himself, and surely what we got is what they know, but how much they know about themselves is debatable and subjective. In this light the one that faced a more dire or extreme experiences, like apparently Maki, could have a wider knowledge of herself than say Chidori who had a more normal life. So in this context, where they will be stressed out, the ones that may have the most unstable reactions are those that know less.
What I'm trying to say is that maybe Maki is the oddity that in this context will work as the more "normal", due to the forced environment, while the others will slowly regress. She could work as a reference point.
In short, what is it that they don't know about themselves? That may be the way to clear all the experimentations they will subjected to. And the twists we will get along the road while still watching suspiciously at Maki.
Yeah, not sure if I'm being clear here. :heh:

I was also thinking about the seven sins. I mean, I doubt they threw it randomly away. They probably will come into play. Say, Agata surely resembles sloth. And Niko pride. Yuta was once gluttony.

[quigonkenny]

I wonder why Noriko Sonozaki didn't reveal her secrets where the rest did at her amusement?
She's in a position of authority. Rules and requirements are for the masses, not the governing class. What kind of freedom would she have to enforce and interpret those rules if she were bound by them, after all?

At least that's how all the Progressive, forward-thinking governments do it.

[felix]

it would be weird to have 5 generally decent people (somewhat) and then one person that could be charged with manslaughter at least. That would feel a little random.No, because the whole premise is people "getting along." We technically have: the crazies, the fakers, the half decent, the innocent, the uncaring and maki the (former-)felon. :heh:

[Stark700]

Episode 3

So the "I killed someone" before was a joke? Now I feel slightly trolled.

The comedy is really still a hit or miss imo for the show. The latest episode had less of that since it introduced a new character, one that I find to have a rather peculiar personality. Katsuhira jumping and suffering some injuries really got me thinking if the guy even has a bit of common sense.

Noriko is still mysterious as ever although I think her dialogues describing the main characters with their personality/traits is on track.

Lol, idk why but this face looks wrong in so many ways:
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/547ab8b9ab914cc728e81697d22061b71461427097_full.jp g

[Botan_TM]

Episode 3

So the "I killed someone" before was a joke? Now I feel slightly trolled.

Lol, idk why but this face looks wrong in so many ways:
http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/547ab8b9ab914cc728e81697d22061b71461427097_full.jp g

Maybe she really killed someone, but then she back off? Does it count as a confession?

When I heard about 7th being often in hospital, my first thought was "guy is a masochist", and apparently I was right. Actually, it have a point to have one in "painteam", he can inflict pain on others to pleasure himself, which qualify as a immoral thing.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Maybe she really killed someone, but then she back off? Does it count as a confession?

I think that's it. After all she DID have that sort of obituary hallucination scene. Wouldn't have made sense if she doesn't have anything she feels guilty about in her past.

Also, Konosuba's Darkness has just found her soulmate :p.

[Wandering Soul]

Maybe she really killed someone, but then she back off? Does it count as a confession?


I suspect that too. Whether she killed someone or not, she is definitely hiding something. It probably has something to do with the girl that she is leaning against in the ED.

This group wouldn't be complete with a masochist. Now if only this guy could find a way to crossover to Konosuba and meet Darkness.

[Anh_Minh]

I think that's it. After all she DID have that sort of obituary hallucination scene. Wouldn't have made sense if she doesn't have anything she feels guilty about in her past.

Also, Konosuba's Darkness has just found her soulmate :p.

Nah, they wouldn't get along. They'd each try to hog all the pain.

[Chosen_Hero]

^Darkness isn't the kind of masochist that likes the pain, her masochism is mostly for getting punished (remember her delusions) while this guy literally gets off at getting hurt.

[Haak]

I think that's it. After all she DID have that sort of obituary hallucination scene. Wouldn't have made sense if she doesn't have anything she feels guilty about in her past.

My guess is that it was an accident but that she's very self-aware about feeling excessively guilty so she jokes about it on the outside but can't stop it on the inside.

As for the episode, I found it pretty funny. The masochist release at the end really made me lol hard though.

[Arya]

While the played the guess game, Chidori thought about someone bullying him, clearly influenced by Agata's situation, Yuta staging crashes (that should give us a hint about him if we needed one) and Maki instead went with the failed suicide theory, dismissing Yuta's as exaggerate :heh:
She said something like disappearing due to some event that pushed him to want that. So, probably she did something that pushed her friend in the OP to commit suicide. And now she feels guilty, regardless it was an accident or not obviously.

The episode was fun and who would have thought Niko to be the smart one of the bunch, that was pretty clever method in comparison to say Tenga (or even later Chidori asking to be beaten directly).

[Anh_Minh]

^Darkness isn't the kind of masochist that likes the pain, her masochism is mostly for getting punished (remember her delusions) while this guy literally gets off at getting hurt.

She likes all kind of pain, physical and mental. She likes being pelted by living vegetables, she likes being too close to an Explosion, she likes taking hits for her friends in general.

[Flower]

Ep 03

Curiously this series reminds me a bit of Anne Happy which is also airing this season.

But it reminds me not so much in the sense of content as how I find myself reacting to it. I like the series in general, but ... well ... frankly there are things about the series that come off as odd and erratic and from left field. Sometimes they work, sometimes not, and there does not seem to be rhyme or reason or pattern that the series are settling into yet.

So I find myself unexpectedly enjoying and unexpectedly being disinterested in a lengthy series of randomness, bullseyes and misfires while at the same time I know there is some kind of underlying pattern but can't see it yet. It is a weird feeling to have in two series at once in a season. :heh:

Except for the OP. I really like the OP for some reason.

[felix]

I like the series in general, but ... well ... frankly there are things about the series that come off as odd and erratic and from left field. Sometimes they work, sometimes not, and there does not seem to be rhyme or reason or pattern that the series are settling into yet.Seems to be a trait of the season. So far a lot of other shows this season have the same feature (haifuri, flying witch, shonen maid) or at least the trait (joker game, stray dogs). Personally I kind of hate when the story merges into some makeshift main plot from some left field, instead of going from a single point and branching out. But I can see how some people might like it being "episode 1" multiple times over; or at least think that's a good story device.

[Cloudedmind]

Listening to Nishiyama as Hisomu as he did those high pitched orgasm sounds were the highlight of the episode for me. lol

[DragoonKain3]

Shame nothing happened much this episode, as it just introduces the last member of the group.

As for Maki, pretty sure that she did 'indeed' kill someone. Now whether it was done in cold blood, or her inadvertently/indirectly killed the other girl is the question.

Ah Chidori, really going to emphasize that your love feelings is in past tense... who exactly are you trying to fool? :heh:

Needs more Sonozaki though. Despite not technically being part of the titular group, Sonozaki is the one who pushes the plot forward. To what end is she assembling the group, and what's in it for her to go through all this trouble? The group connecting with each other is pretty much SoL stuff, more or less, so the story really needs Sonozaki to pit the group through a test in which they can only solve through the Kiznaiver system. Maybe the system will 'level up' through such activities, and in the end allows for telepathic communication with each other? Sure it's early, but I'd like to see some progession in the next few episodes apart from just knowing the secrets of each other.

[mergele]

So we have been trolled by the High-and-mighty-girl. Does that still count as fourth wall or is it already the fifth?

[Sageblink]

Shame nothing happened much this episode, as it just introduces the last member of the group.

As for Maki, pretty sure that she did 'indeed' kill someone. Now whether it was done in cold blood, or her inadvertently/indirectly killed the other girl is the question.

Ah Chidori, really going to emphasize that your love feelings is in past tense... who exactly are you trying to fool? :heh:

Needs more Sonozaki though. Despite not technically being part of the titular group, Sonozaki is the one who pushes the plot forward. To what end is she assembling the group, and what's in it for her to go through all this trouble? The group connecting with each other is pretty much SoL stuff, more or less, so the story really needs Sonozaki to pit the group through a test in which they can only solve through the Kiznaiver system. Maybe the system will 'level up' through such activities, and in the end allows for telepathic communication with each other? Sure it's early, but I'd like to see some progession in the next few episodes apart from just knowing the secrets of each other.

Well, reading about your 'level-up', i fear that at some point the system requires them to merge with each other, like a collective mind... thus losing their sense of individualism and ending at the same time war (cause you know, if it works with 7 teenagers, why not use it on the whole world...)

As someone also speculated, Agata might be part of a previous project... As we think he is learning about bonds and stuff, he could be in fact absorbing the psyche of the other 6.

I'm sensing something creepier underneath that bonding experiment (which already gave us psychological and physical torment). :uhoh:

I don't know. I found it

[Arya]

^ I'm not sure how creepy what lies beneath the experiments is, but I always found the comedy parts a bit out of place so I'm expecting them to become more and more jarring to make it creepier.

Seems to be a trait of the season. So far a lot of other shows this season have the same feature (haifuri, flying witch, shonen maid) or at least the trait (joker game, stray dogs). Personally I kind of hate when the story merges into some makeshift main plot from some left field, instead of going from a single point and branching out. But I can see how some people might like it being "episode 1" multiple times over; or at least think that's a good story device.

While I concur with Flower that there's some sort of lack of direction so far, we are at episode three after all and the series was still setting up the stage, plus I don't feel like it has some makeshift main plot, but more like a made-up main plot (or it's just what I hope :heh:). In any case the sense I have is that this lack of direction is deliberate.
I just hope they drop the episodic formula now for a more cohesive narrative.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Well, reading about your 'level-up', i fear that at some point the system requires them to merge with each other, like a collective mind... thus losing their sense of individualism and ending at the same time war (cause you know, if it works with 7 teenagers, why not use it on the whole world...)

You made me think of a short story featured in a book I'm reading right now that is exactly about that. There's two huge empires on a planet that want to wage war on each other, and some scientists from space come down and each help one (while actually wanting to cheat them both). They give them technology to synchronize the minds of the soldiers, so they'll become smarter, more united and less afraid of individual death. Problem is, as they become smarter they also become far less preoccupied with worldly matters. As soon as the entire armies are connected in two single super-hiveminds, they simply sit there, losing themselves in contemplation of the mysteries of existence the universe and everything instead of waging war :heh:.

[quigonkenny]

Ah Chidori, really going to emphasize that your love feelings is in past tense... who exactly are you trying to fool? :heh:
Worst. Tsundere. Ever.

Not that there's anything wrong with her, per se. She's plenty cute enough. She just utterly fails at being a tsundere.

You made me think of a short story featured in a book I'm reading right now that is exactly about that. There's two huge empires on a planet that want to wage war on each other, and some scientists from space come down and each help one (while actually wanting to cheat them both). They give them technology to synchronize the minds of the soldiers, so they'll become smarter, more united and less afraid of individual death. Problem is, as they become smarter they also become far less preoccupied with worldly matters. As soon as the entire armies are connected in two single super-hiveminds, they simply sit there, losing themselves in contemplation of the mysteries of existence the universe and everything instead of waging war :heh:.
So it's the "Navel-gazing Sci-Fi" version of Yojimbo? Fair enough. We already have a "Spaghetti Western" version (A Fistful of Dollars) and a "Prohibition Gangster" version (Last Man Standing). Why not?

Akira Kurosawa. Truly the gift that keeps on giving...

[kuromitsu]

God help me I'm actually really enjoying this show right now. If it wasn't for Macross Delta and Concrete Revolutio this would be my favorite show of the season. It's just... really good. After episode 1 I commented that the creators put a lot of effort into the show, from visuals to characters and storytelling, and this feeling is not only still there, it's getting stronger. The visuals and the directing in this episode were really good. And sure, the characters are essentially antiheroes, but they work, and they're archetypes but they work being the archetypes they are, because the show is not simply being self-aware for cheap lulz, it's just one layer in some really nice, well thought-out character writing. At least in this episode.

(Holy crap, I'm actually praising the writing in an Okada Mari show, the end of the world is possibly near. :heh: )

Dear Kiznaiver, please, please, please, please stay this way.

Also, Yuta runs like a girl. :heh:

[Dextro]

God help me I'm actually really enjoying this show right now. If it wasn't for Macross Delta and Concrete Revolutio this would be my favorite show of the season. It's just... really good. After episode 1 I commented that the creators put a lot of effort into the show, from visuals to characters and storytelling, and this feeling is not only still there, it's getting stronger. The visuals and the directing in this episode were really good. And sure, the characters are essentially antiheroes, but they work, and they're archetypes but they work being the archetypes they are, because the show is not simply being self-aware for cheap lulz, it's just one layer in some really nice, well thought-out character writing. At least in this episode.

(Holy crap, I'm actually praising the writing in an Okada Mari show, the end of the world is possibly near. :heh: )

Dear Kiznaiver, please, please, please, please stay this way.

Also, Yuta runs like a girl. :heh:

Well it IS Studio Trigger. I'd say that with them anything is possible. :heh:

I came in late to this show because I've been a bit out of action these last few weeks but I'm enjoying the show as well. I was a bit put off when I heard Okada was handling script duties but so far we haven't had many red flags in the writing script department and the story seems to be hiding something greater under the skin which is good news. The soundtrack also sounds pretty neat btw.

[kuromitsu]

Well it IS Studio Trigger. I'd say that with them anything is possible. :heh:
And that's the other thing, I'm not even a Trigger fan. :heh: Hell, I didn't even like their other shows.

I'm still a bit nervous because well, things could go wrong really really easy, but I really hope that the show will stay on the right track...

[Wandering Soul]

Worst. Tsundere. Ever.
Not that there's anything wrong with her, per se. She's plenty cute enough. She just utterly fails at being a tsundere.
...

That's probably a good thing. Agata can't even understand himself much less other people, so the last thing he should have to deal with is a girl that's actually a successful tsundere. It actually benefits Chidori to be a failure of a tsundere.

[Gan_HOPE326]

So it's the "Navel-gazing Sci-Fi" version of Yojimbo? Fair enough. We already have a "Spaghetti Western" version (A Fistful of Dollars) and a "Prohibition Gangster" version (Last Man Standing). Why not?

Akira Kurosawa. Truly the gift that keeps on giving...

Uh :confused:? I haven't seen any of those movies but I was under the impression they weren't exactly about that. Anyway that's not what all the book is about; if anything it can be summed up as "chaotic neutral geniuses wander the universe and troll everyone they meet". Closest thing I can think of is Level E :heh:. This army thing was done basically for the lulz as well.

But anyway, back on Kiznaiver! Yeah, I'm enjoying this too a lot. I guess a peculiar feeling it gives me is some sort of nostalgic feeling about my teen years? I don't know how to put it - it's VERY teen-like, not only in characters but in the plot and themes, but at the same time you still can relate and it sort of brings you back (which is weird because I have never had teenage years nearly as interesting or socially varied as any anime character besides my avatar). It's a bit like listening to some stupid pop-rock band you liked when you were 15. Maybe you don't even like that genre any more, but you do like THAT band because it brings you back.

[Dengar]

Personally I kinda prefer it when Trigger made action shows. But I'm not quite out yet. I empathize with the painless kid, strangely.

[quigonkenny]

Uh :confused:? I haven't seen any of those movies but I was under the impression they weren't exactly about that. Anyway that's not what all the book is about; if anything it can be summed up as "chaotic neutral geniuses wander the universe and troll everyone they meet". Closest thing I can think of is Level E :heh:. This army thing was done basically for the lulz as well.
The basic premise of each of the three movies I mentioned is "third party comes into a conflict and pretends to assist both sides in order to play them both into mutual destruction". Reasons range from getting paid twice for the effort to altruistic protection of the bystanders caught in the crossfire, but there's a fair bit of "for the lulz" in all three examples.

The "navel-gazing hivemind supersoldiers" is different, since in all of my examples the MC kills the opposing footsoldiers and/or sends them to their deaths against each other, but the people in charge on each side were always the real target, so the comparison still holds.

[Gan_HOPE326]

The basic premise of each of the three movies I mentioned is "third party comes into a conflict and pretends to assist both sides in order to play them against each other". Reasons range from getting paid twice for the effort to altruistic protection of the bystanders caught in the crossfire, but there's a fair bit of "for the lulz" in all three examples.

Oh, okay. Yeah, that's the setup of that specific story. But the general atmosphere is far more similar to fairy tales/myths than traditional sci-fi, with kings and their capricious whims, uncharted lands to explore, and these two guys being able to outwit anyone as well as any old trickster god. It's pretty good really, it's called "The Cyberiad". Considering its surreal, visionary nature, it'd make an excellent subject for an anime - if an anime studio was ever crazy enough to adapt the obscure literary work of a Polish writer published in the 60s :rolleyes:.

[quigonkenny]

Oh, okay. Yeah, that's the setup of that specific story. But the general atmosphere is far more similar to fairy tales/myths than traditional sci-fi, with kings and their capricious whims, uncharted lands to explore, and these two guys being able to outwit anyone as well as any old trickster god. It's pretty good really, it's called "The Cyberiad". Considering its surreal, visionary nature, it'd make an excellent subject for an anime - if an anime studio was ever crazy enough to adapt the obscure literary work of a Polish writer published in the 60s :rolleyes:.
Looked it up, and Stanislaw Lem actually isn't all that obscure, at least for a sci-fi writer. He's just not very well known currently. One of his books has been made into film three times (Solaris), and his work has been translated into 41 different languages.

And frankly I can't see anything titled "Cyberiad" as anything but sci-fi, no matter how many fantasy elements are in it... ^_^

[Gan_HOPE326]

Looked it up, and Stanislaw Lem actually isn't all that obscure, at least for a sci-fi writer. He's just not very well known currently. One of his books has been made into film three times (Solaris), and his work has been translated into 41 different languages.

And frankly I can't see anything titled "Cyberiad" as anything but sci-fi, no matter how many fantasy elements are in it... ^_^

Yeah, he's not "obscure" in the sense of no one knows him, but he's definitely not as well known as Asimov or Philip K. Dick, is all (both of which instead have been at least referenced, if not adapted, in anime).

As a genre I'd say it's a weird hybrid. It's definitely not hard sci fi; most of the time it can joke around with some scientific concepts but never in a "explore the consequences of a realistically imaginable technology" way. I think the idea is more like these would be the kind of fairy tales and stories people would tell in a distant starfaring future. They sound like fairy tales, but fairy tales born out of a culture deeply rooted in very advanced sci-fi technology.

[Harbinger]

Loving pain and sharing pain is a one way street only. The others are stuck with... an undesirable member :P

[Cloudedmind]

Personally I kinda prefer it when Trigger made action shows. But I'm not quite out yet. I empathize with the painless kid, strangely.

I personally think he's a rather nice character. He feels little to now pain, and his mannerisms are kind of muted and low key, but you can tell that he's not exactly uncaring or unfeeling, and he's really analyzing himself as a person now that he's a part of this experiment.

[kuromitsu]

Yes, he's definitely not unfeeling, he does have his own thoughts and feelings. When the group is wondering about why Hisomu keeps getting injured and coming up with suggestions, the characters project their own situation on him (Yuta suggests that he's lying, Maki thinks he's trying to kill himself), and Kacchon's says that maybe poor Hisomu just wants to connect to others, suggesting that he's also lonely and wants to make connections.

[Botan_TM]

Yeah, he's not "obscure" in the sense of no one knows him, but he's definitely not as well known as Asimov or Philip K. Dick, is all (both of which instead have been at least referenced, if not adapted, in anime).

As a genre I'd say it's a weird hybrid. It's definitely not hard sci fi; most of the time it can joke around with some scientific concepts but never in a "explore the consequences of a realistically imaginable technology" way. I think the idea is more like these would be the kind of fairy tales and stories people would tell in a distant starfaring future. They sound like fairy tales, but fairy tales born out of a culture deeply rooted in very advanced sci-fi technology.

I have some theory, I think this anime is hard to rate, because it "plays" at three different fields, and so people can perceive it differently, because they pick up some of those first. Let's call it:
1) (Bio)technological/social engineering sci-fi
2) Comedy
3) Character based drama.

Starting from the last one, I admit that as a comedy is working well for me, that comedic part consist from both slapstick jokes and interaction between so different, and flawed in specific ways, characters. It is also spiced with hyperbole and abstraction. Character based drama I guess do not need explanation?
So far first one seems to be not well constructed. Flaws in such idea have been pointed many times in this thread. Yet it may be too early to judge this, because we got some foreshadowing and maybe those flaws will be appear in show, without being silently omitted, or it all may end like a mess in Charlotte. Or that sci-fi setting is just a background mock-up of set up made for comedy/drama.
So we have serious themes mixed with comedy like water with oil in mayonnaise, where one serious theme is (let's hope temporary) undeveloped. No wonder it may be hard to digest.

About Lem, I have read few of his books, but I really liked it for their maverick, but logical ideas. I very enjoyed Imaginary Magnitude, for such thing like theory of culture/religion presented in Golem XIV

Link to video with a quote from Golem XIV (https://vimeo.com/50984940)

Anyway, Sonozaki have that black collar on her neck, I bet this is a earlier, prototype version of Kiznaiver mark.

When the group is wondering about why Hisomu keeps getting injured and coming up with suggestions, the characters project their own situation on him (Yuta suggests that he's lying, Maki thinks he's trying to kill himself), and Kacchon's says that maybe poor Hisomu just wants to connect to others, suggesting that he's also lonely and wants to make connections.

How I actually missed that one...

[Gan_HOPE326]

I think this series is to be viewed mostly as a character driven show. The sci-fi aspect is very soft - the entire concept of splitting up not just pain but damage is basically magic - and I don't think it's meant to be taken literally, as the entire series seems to live in a very surreal world anyway. There's a lot of symbolism around and very little realism in what happens - teens kidnapped for forced participation in a social experiment, put in deadly danger, no one bats an eye, including the victims themselves? No, the series isn't really worried in exploring technology and its consequences in any meaningful way, it's using the sci-fi premise as a slightly more original than usual way to introduce its central conceit to the world, which is the idea of having people sharing pain. That's the crux. Let's see where it goes from there, of course.

[wuhugm]

Yuta runs like a girl

[Yamada II]

Episode 3

So there's a seventh kiznaiver here and the rest have to find him otherwise he'll hurt himself and the rest in the process. And after searching and searching for that guy, chasing him all around, they finally catch up with him. And he turns out to be a masochist lol. I liked how they searched for him by hitting one of them and listening to where the masochists voice came from.

The comedy was done pretty good here. Lots of lol moments. Now this group has to survive the summer after which they'll be released. Interested to see how they deal with this masochist. One guy doesn't feel pain and one guy loves the feel of pain lol.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Between this and Konosuba, I'm now curious. Clearly the "sexual" type of masochist doesn't work like this at all for what I know - it's usually more a matter of role play in sex situations, or even if it extends outside of it, there's always a huge component of consent in it of course, and not all pain/humiliation is equal. There's also people who purposefully inflict themselves self-harm, but in that case it's not that they feel pleasure, it's a way to numb psychological pain with physical one.

So I have to wonder... is this kind of "anime masochist" actually a thing in real life, or just a ludicrous misunderstanding of the concept? I mean, the world is full of people including very weird one so it wouldn't surprise me too much.

[Cloudedmind]

Between this and Konosuba, I'm now curious. Clearly the "sexual" type of masochist doesn't work like this at all for what I know - it's usually more a matter of role play in sex situations, or even if it extends outside of it, there's always a huge component of consent in it of course, and not all pain/humiliation is equal. There's also people who purposefully inflict themselves self-harm, but in that case it's not that they feel pleasure, it's a way to numb psychological pain with physical one.

So I have to wonder... is this kind of "anime masochist" actually a thing in real life, or just a ludicrous misunderstanding of the concept? I mean, the world is full of people including very weird one so it wouldn't surprise me too much.


If you mean someone who gets sexual gratification from just having pain inflicted on them regardless of how it's done or who's giving it, the short answer is, yes, sort of. As you mentioned there are all flavors of people, and people like Hisomu do certainly exist. Although, I would personally say he's on the more extreme end, and in his case based on the little we've seen is more akin to a disorder. And as with most things in anime he's done up more comically. And Darkness was practically a grade A masochist, her fantasy about the dullhan had me in stitches.

[quigonkenny]

It looks to be that for Hisomu it's more a want for physical pain, while for Darkness it's more a want for psychological pain (though I'm sure either would welcome the other, to some degree). Hisomu is more of a clinically actionable case, though, since he clearly had been inflicting injury upon himself to get his thrill. Darkness still craves a third party to do so, not to mention that she does have some rudimentary sense of when to do so, and thus can fairly easily function normally in society.

[Gan_HOPE326]

It looks to be that for Hisomu it's more a want for physical pain, while for Darkness it's more a want for psychological pain (though I'm sure either would welcome the other, to some degree). Hisomu is more of a clinically actionable case, though, since he clearly had been inflicting injury upon himself to get his thrill. Darkness still craves a third party to do so, not to mention that she does have some rudimentary sense of when to do so, and thus can fairly easily function normally in society.

Darkness got off on physical pain quite a bit too! Remember the cabbages :heh:. And to be honest, I don't think "being a paladin with no ability to hit anything and a penchant for just taking any potentially lethal blow thrown by the enemy square in your chest" classifies as functioning normally in a society of warriors and adventurers :uhoh:... It's probably FAR more dangerous than just occasionally randomly cutting oneself in a controlled manner.

[Benigmatica]

Episode 3:
Can't believe that the 7th Kiznaiver member... was a total masochist! :heh:

On the other hand, Honoka Maki is just bluffing that she killed someone. I mean, she saw her friend's corpse back in Episode 2.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Episode 3:
Can't believe that the 7th Kiznaiver member... was a total masochist! :heh:

On the other hand, Honoka Maki is just bluffing that she killed someone. I mean, she saw her friend's corpse back in Episode 2.

She totally DID kill/was responsible in the death of that girl. It's hinted by everything. There also was this article some days ago about flower symbolism in the ED, and guess what?

https://formeinfullbloom.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/the-flower-language-of-the-kiznaiver-women/

Everything around Maki seems to go around themes of mourning and/or regret. So I totally call bullshit on her "just kidding" moment.

[Benigmatica]

She totally DID kill/was responsible in the death of that girl. It's hinted by everything. There also was this article some days ago about flower symbolism in the ED, and guess what?

https://formeinfullbloom.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/the-flower-language-of-the-kiznaiver-women/

Everything around Maki seems to go around themes of mourning and/or regret. So I totally call bullshit on her "just kidding" moment.

Yeah, I know that Honoka did kill her friend, but the fact that it's all made-up according to her was all just a bluff!

[Cloudedmind]

Darkness got off on physical pain quite a bit too! Remember the cabbages :heh:. And to be honest, I don't think "being a paladin with no ability to hit anything and a penchant for just taking any potentially lethal blow thrown by the enemy square in your chest" classifies as functioning normally in a society of warriors and adventurers :uhoh:... It's probably FAR more dangerous than just occasionally randomly cutting oneself in a controlled manner.

In Darkness' case it just keeps her from doing her job properly, although she still manages to do her job, or at least make people think she's doing her job, by pure happenstance.:heh: But beside from that she more or less appears to be integrated into society and can function within the bounds of it. Hisomu on the other hand constantly ends up in the hospital, doesn't go to school, and doesn't look to have the best living conditions, he's much worse off then Darkness appears to be. What Hisomu has is closer to sexual masochism the disorder, where as Darkness is more of a masochist amped up to 11 for comedy's sake.

[Arya]

She totally DID kill/was responsible in the death of that girl. It's hinted by everything. There also was this article some days ago about flower symbolism in the ED, and guess what?

https://formeinfullbloom.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/the-flower-language-of-the-kiznaiver-women/

Everything around Maki seems to go around themes of mourning and/or regret. So I totally call bullshit on her "just kidding" moment.

Thanks for the link, my zero knowledge about flowers prevented me to make any guess about their interpretation.

I'll read it more carefully this evening, but more or less it seems to fit with the characters so far, or at least my grasp of them.

[Gan_HOPE326]

In Darkness' case it just keeps her from doing her job properly, although she still manages to do her job, or at least make people think she's doing her job, by pure happenstance.:heh: But beside from that she more or less appears to be integrated into society and can function within the bounds of it. Hisomu on the other hand constantly ends up in the hospital, doesn't go to school, and doesn't look to have the best living conditions, he's much worse off then Darkness appears to be. What Hisomu has is closer to sexual masochism the disorder, where as Darkness is more of a masochist amped up to 11 for comedy's sake.

Don't forget however that Darkness was basically jobless before she found Our Intrepid Hero, because no one would take her in. Pretty much the entire party is a bunch of misfits that just happened to find out they could do their misfitting together :heh:.

[quigonkenny]

Darkness got off on physical pain quite a bit too! Remember the cabbages :heh:. And to be honest, I don't think "being a paladin with no ability to hit anything and a penchant for just taking any potentially lethal blow thrown by the enemy square in your chest" classifies as functioning normally in a society of warriors and adventurers :uhoh:... It's probably FAR more dangerous than just occasionally randomly cutting oneself in a controlled manner.
Maybe "psychological" was the wrong word. I think she's more into the situation in which she's receiving the pain, rather than the pain itself. There have been a couple of situations where she receives pain and doesn't appear to gain any particular enjoyment from it (except maybe afterwards), and when it comes to imagining some horrible situation that she's gotten into, her level of chuuni rivals Megumin.

But even then, she's not going to just go cut herself, or take a header off her balcony to get some cheap pain. Evidence suggests we can't say the same about Hisomu.

[Stark700]

Episode 4:

That new masochist guy is so weird lol. At this rate, he'll be the only one drowning in pain of pleasure while everyone else just have to endure the pain. In terms of storytelling, I find this to be a bit of a miss so far, hard to take in seriously. What I do want to see is Noriko's background story as we see some glimpse of her flashback already this episode.

Loving the character dynamics though. The show isn't shy to make each of them stand out in some way.

Regarding the Kiznaiver experiment, perhaps Katsuhira and Noriko are the original survivors of the experiment? The former might not be aware of it. Just a speculation though because of the brief flashbacks. The part showing Noriko with the odd looking scar could be another hint. Being the most mysterious character in this series, Noriko is someone who may be holding more secrets than anyone else.

[Diluc]

Episode 4
So the bullies turning become relevant characters now?
interesting epiosode, i wonder if it will be only those two or will we have another seven team later

[bakato]

That boob retort is definitely going in the books.

[Botan_TM]

That boob retort is definitely going in the books.

Indeed.

I have to admit I now like this group of weirdos.

Some random notes:
- Chidori is playing tsundere towards Tenga. I think I know how it is going to end ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
- It was interesting to see Maki being angry when Nico carefree used world "friend".

[Gan_HOPE326]

That boob retort is definitely going in the books.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/88/bc/c3/88bcc3bef0dbf5bcd262d3b6a27d6a18.jpg

[kuromitsu]

That boob retort is definitely going in the books.
Yeah, that one came out of the blue and made me laugh.

So there's another group of Kiznaivers in town? And they're being controlled by the (presumably) bad guys? Oh no, the plot thickens. Well, personally I'm not particularly worried about (or very interested in) that part, I'm sure we'll get explanations eventually.

I continue to enjoy the characters, they're pretty fun. Adding to the fun, with each passing episode Yuta reminds me more and more of Todomatsu from Osomatsu-san (even Shimazaki's delivery is similar to Irino's). He's kind of like a more evolved, more successful Todomatsu, although unlike Tottie he's also afflicted by insecurity... still, Tottie would probably agree that natural, effortless ikemen need to die in a fire. :heh:

[Mei-Lin]

Agata's hair is changing? He's hair changes every-time he remembers something?

Sonozaki so mysterious yet so casual. Agata and Sonazaki is the better pairing sorry Chidori go with Tenga.

They are building connections between the characters in pairs each time, very interesting to watch

Agata-Sonazaki
Agata-Chidori
Tenga-Chidori
Agata-Tenga
Yuta-Tenga
Nico-Maki
Yuta-Maki
Agata-Hiso
Yuta-Hiso
Nico-Hiso

[Arya]

Loved the episode. I like all our seven characters, and for the seventh I mean Sonazaki, not the masochist.
And I don't really care about the plot, I'm just enjoying the character dynamics. Especially now that Sonazaki joined the party.

[mergele]

Nico did the Mako there. Hilarious as a one of gag, but please don't overuse it.

[Wandering Soul]

That boob retort is definitely going in the books.
It definitely is.

Looks like those guys who I thought would just be generic anime bullies may actually become important.

Other than that I'm still enjoying the dynamics between these characters. Sonozaki's inclusion will hopefully make things more even more interesting.

[Flower]

Agreed with the general feedback of really enjoying the character interactions and dynamics. In fact this was the first ep where I felt a "click" inside regarding most everyone. I have been on the fence for a while now waiting to get a general "read" on the series and this episode finally gave one to me.

Will invest myself in this one.

Oh yes, the humor in this episode really worked for me. I was chuckling and chortling quite a bit!

[DragoonKain3]

Oh God, not only we have Katsuhira being eternally curious about Sonozaki, but Chidori is steaming in jealousy over at the sidelines. Sure, I'm a bit miffed in that Tenga seems to be getting close to Chidori, but I can deal with it since unless Okada wants to do an IBO, only one girl will get with Katsuhira. In any case, looks like Okada is starting to churn up the osananajimi heat this episode, and I can't complain. :D

And finally, some opposition to our group! I mean, our group isn't exactly all sunshine and rainbows (especially about Honoka and Yuta), but the best way to test a group is to put them against another group, right? XD

[kuromitsu]

By the way, Miwa Shirow drew character art for the seiyuu:

The boys (https://twitter.com/zi38/status/726427555012583424)
The girls (https://twitter.com/zi38/status/726427936207708160)

(I want them! I want them all!)

[IceHism]

Those character interactions were pretty well done. I like all of the characters so far except masochist but I'm sure that he will become more likable later. Can't wait for next week.

[orion]

Did the group who did the OP mention that their song is based off an A-ha song?

Take on Me
ZKspel3BEog

So how close does a song need to be to be considered plagarism?

[Gan_HOPE326]

Did the group who did the OP mention that their song is based off an A-ha song?

Take on Me
ZKspel3BEog

So how close does a song need to be to be considered plagarism?

I believe there's actually a fixed number of bars that have to be identical for it to be officially considered plagiarism, though that may differ from country to country.

Anyway it doesn't really strike me as plagiarism in this case, the only bit that's almost equal is the first bar of the chorus really. Then it takes a different road. Still gives off a very similar feeling due to the overall similarities in instruments used (they both are sort of synth-pop songs).

[kuromitsu]

Yeah, I also don't think it's plagiarism at all. I also don't think they're particularly similar-sounding, aside of that one few beats in the beginning of the chorus.

[EroKing]

https://a.l3n.co/i/s1rAqP.md.jpeg (https://lensdump.com/i/s1rAqP)

[GDiddy]

awww...am I the only one who likes Hiso? :heh:

I'd actually don't mind Not Kamina with Chidori myself.

[quigonkenny]

Yeah, I also don't think it's plagiarism at all. I also don't think they're particularly similar-sounding, aside of that one few beats in the beginning of the chorus.
Well, that's probably all that most ever hear. Even if you like an OP, after enough episodes, you're eventually going to want to skip past it. For me that's generally 4 or 5 episodes, even if I like the OP. Kiznaiver's? Not so much.

Now Lupin III? I sometimes go back to watch that just for the OP.

[Haak]

This is probably the first episode that felt recognisably "Okada-ish". It had some very signature group dynamics and chemistry that you often see from her. Interesting stuff.

And the comedy is as sharp as ever. That boob joke has got to be one of the sickest burns I've ever seen. Dude got wrecked harder than Agata last episode.

[Cloudedmind]

awww...am I the only one who likes Hiso? :heh:

I'd actually don't mind Not Kamina with Chidori myself.

I also like Hisomu. He's kind of tied for second with Nico, with Kacchon being first. But I do like all of the characters so far, and as others have mentioned am really enjoying their character interactions.

This is probably the first episode that felt recognisably "Okada-ish". It had some very signature group dynamics and chemistry that you often see from her. Interesting stuff.

And the comedy is as sharp as ever. That boob joke has got to be one of the sickest burns I've ever seen. Dude got wrecked harder than Agata last episode.

No, kidding. If the group could feel each others emotional pain they'd all be writhing on the floor.:heh:

[Wandering Soul]

awww...am I the only one who likes Hiso? :heh:

I'd actually don't mind Not Kamina with Chidori myself.

I like Hisomu too. I like the entire main cast so far.

As for Chidori, while I would like to see her end up with Agata in the end, I have already accepted that has a slim chance of happening.

[wuhugm]

Waw~ NTR~

Chidori gonna be stolen by Tenga~

[Kismet-chan]

I'm not sure if that would really count as Chidori being "stolen" if Agata isn't even interested in her like that in the first place.

[quigonkenny]

I'm not sure if that would really count as Chidori being "stolen" if Agata isn't even interested in her like that in the first place.
Nah, NTR isn't dependent upon the person being cucked, it's dependent upon the fandom.

[orion]

Waw~ NTR~

Chidori gonna be stolen by Tenga~

Uh, Agata needs to be with first childhood friend.

Chidori officially lost when she asked for help.

[Chosen_Hero]

^She lost the moment she was introduced as the childhood friend.

[wuhugm]

Dayumn NTR~

So 4 boys and 4 girls

The pairings most likely be like this :

1. MC x Mysterious Girl
2. MC's childhood friend (MC's spare) x MC's "best friend" (helping her love pfft)
3. Superficial ikemen x Stuck Up bitch
4. Weird Masochist ikemen x Loco girl

Nah, NTR isn't dependent upon the person being cucked, it's dependent upon the fandom.

Basically this~

[Gan_HOPE326]

Ah, I don't really see why people would root so much for Chidori in this though. I mean, her case is patently one of being stuck in the past. She's still in love with someone she admits isn't any more who she originally liked, and she's dreaming of changing him back with her love I assume. Tough luck, that shit almost never works. It's far healthier if she just moves past him.

Also she sort of looks like a more "nice girl" version of Yoko and Tenga is totally Kamina's reincarnation (or ancestor?) so seeing them together would be a different kind of satisfaction :D.

[Yamada II]

Episode 4

So Katsuhira wants Sonozaki to join them in their endeavors and Chidori thinks that he likes her and she's now asking for Tenga to help her out lol.
The masochist is weird lol. He claims to not be a masochist but then says that he likes unexpected pain the most which is why he was avoiding them last episode so that he doesn't know them and this pain could feel even better lol.
Nico wants everyone to be friends or at least call themselves friends but Honoka isn't interested in being friends with these unknown people. Tenga doesn't care anymore and now wants to make the best o. this time as kiznaivers.
Lol Yuta had bigger boobs than Honoka once.
And the teachers have made their own kiznaivers since they are part of thar committee for whatever reasons.

[Cerilla]

Waw~ NTR~

Chidori gonna be stolen by Tenga~

Nah, Tenga isn't that kind of guy. He's a total bro and as it is totally onboard on helping Chidori. But thing might change, we'll see.

[konart]

Waw~ NTR~

Chidori gonna be stolen by Tenga~

mc has not romantic interest or whatever. Nothing to NTR there.