ViVid Strike! Anime General Discussion Thread

[Stark700]

http://i.imgur.com/y1VwQJV.jpg

New TV anime Vivid Strike announced for Fall 2016. It will be a new TV anime based on the franchise. Takuya Fujima will be the character designer.

Official site:
http://vivid-strike.com/

[LoweGear]

.... Wait, will this be the first time in over 9 years that a Nanoha TV anime will be made that isn't based on a manga? Or is this just an extension of the Vivid anime?

Though, shouldn't this be in the Nanoha subforum?

[Kurohane]

Please show none of the old cast. Well, at least, don't make them recurring.

[LoweGear]

Please show none of the old cast. Well, at least, don't make them recurring.

Actually, the cast list on the site page shows the Vivid cast to be present, including Vivio and Einhart. There is a new character called Reventon as the main character it looks like though, continuing on the cars naming theme. :heh:

Also, this will be a SEVEN ARCS production instead of A-1 as with the Vivid anime, guess they're taking back the reigns of their own franchise huh. :)

Edit: Also, the full title of the anime itself doesn't have "Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha" on it, which of course seems overdue since the series hasn't been about Nanoha herself for a while.

[Triple_R]

I'm honestly a bit disappointed by this announcement, because it likely means that this (https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=118492&page=19) is well and truly dead.

Vivid is fine, but I would have preferred another Nanoha movie over more Vivid anime.

[Cerilla]

So this is pretty much spinoff of a spinoff (vivid) of a spinoff (nanoha) of a series (triangle heart)

It's magical.

[LoweGear]

Here's the google translate version of the cast list on the site page:

Hurka - Reventon : minase pray / Rinne - Berlinetta : Yui Ogura
Takamachi Vivio : Kaori Mizuhashi / Ainharuto Stratos : Mamiko Noto
Yumina - Ankureivu : Sumire UESAKA / Rio Wesley : Ei Kitamura pear / Corona Timiru : Fukuen Misato
Nove Nakajima : Chiwa Saito / Jill installer : Ayane Sakura other

STAFF

Original screenplay : Masaki Tsuzuki character draft : FujiShin Takuya
Director: Junji Nishimura Sound Production : Glovision Production: Seven Arcs Pictures
Opening Theme : Yui Ogura Ending Theme : Minase pray


So this is pretty much spinoff of a spinoff (vivid) of a spinoff (nanoha) of a series (triangle heart)

It's magical.


Actually, it's a spinoff (ViviD) of a spinoff (Lyrical Nanoha) of a spinoff (Lyrical Toy-Box) of a series (Triangle Heart).

We need to get deeper...

[relentlessflame]

So I've actually removed "Nanoha" from the thread title because it's actually pretty noteworthy (as others have pointed out) that the franchise is not given the Nanoha name. There's been some pretty major fallout in the production committee that seems to have resulted in this fracturing. It looks like King Records is still involved in this one, but they seem to be back in the drivers seat along with Seven Arcs. To this point it doesn't look like Aniplex is involved (we'll see). Of course, Yukari Tamura is not mentioned at all, as she's no longer with King Records (and I think most people suspect that's part of this whole thing in the first place, and why ViVid didn't have any BD release).

Anyway, so yeah -- the franchise has split-off again.

(I honestly don't know what this means we should do about putting this in the Nanoha forum, but technically speaking this is not Nanoha... even though it clearly is...)

[Kuroageha]

Actually, the cast list on the site page shows the Vivid cast to be present, including Vivio and Einhart. There is a new character called Reventon as the main character it looks like though, continuing on the cars naming theme. :heh:

Also, this will be a SEVEN ARCS production instead of A-1 as with the Vivid anime, guess they're taking back the reigns of their own franchise huh. :)

Edit: Also, the full title of the anime itself doesn't have "Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha" on it, which of course seems overdue since the series hasn't been about Nanoha herself for a while.

Well, Vivid by A-1 was a dissapointment on the most part so no wonder 7Arcs took it back.

[ramlaen]

So I am guessing this will be a sequel to Vivid, and that will allow them to avoid whatever messy stuff has happened with Yukarin's contracts.

[relentlessflame]

So I am guessing this will be a sequel to Vivid, and that will allow them to avoid whatever messy stuff has happened with Yukarin's contracts.
Yeah, that's basically what I'm taking from it as well. Although it may also be a reboot of sorts to allow them to create a fresh slate and rewrite some of the backstory -- we'll see. (Most notably, though, Vivio keeps the Takamachi last name, so they're not going to write Nanoha out of the backstory at least, even if she doesn't make a voiced appearance.)

[Random Wanderer]

So I am guessing this will be a sequel to Vivid, and that will allow them to avoid whatever messy stuff has happened with Yukarin's contracts.

Wait what happened? I missed that entirely. ...If that's too off topic someone feel free to PM the details to me.

[Kuroageha]

She retired. From King Records.

So no wonder there is no Nanoha on the title.

[relentlessflame]

Wait what happened? I missed that entirely.
Basically, she quit her ties with King Records in a kind of visible/ugly way, and the timing of it all and the problems with the ViVid BD release (i.e. the complete lack there of) suggest that complications related to this severing are what killed that release (and likely the planned third movie). This new season does not list Nanoha's character or voice actor in the cast at all, and removed Nanoha from the name entirely, so basically it looks like this is the road forward for the franchise that leaves her behind.

(She now works as part of I'm Enterprise and does still do new anime work, obviously, so she's not out of the industry, just had a rather big breakup with her former agency.)

[Random Wanderer]

...I don't... Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha was the first place I really discovered Yukari Tamura. I found her voice to be very unique and appealing, and from that she's become one of my favorite voice actors. The idea of the franchise existing in any form without her... feels like the ground has fallen out from underneath me.

I don't know how to process this.

[alex_drian]

So...no more Yukari here, never Force anime? never Vivid S2? my heart HURTS!

[Triple_R]

This new season does not list Nanoha's character or voice actor in the cast at all, and removed Nanoha from the name entirely, so basically it looks like this is the road forward for the franchise that leaves her behind.


If they kill off Nanoha's character just to do more Vivid anime...

I definitely thank you for the information, but I'm getting a very bad feeling about all of this...

[relentlessflame]

So...no more Yukari here, never Force anime? never Vivid S2? my heart HURTS!

Well, this may be like ViVid S2 at least in spirit, but it may also be an alternate reality or reboot. We'll have to wait and see. But yeah, Force seems on indefinite hold, and I wouldn't expect Yukari Tamura to be involved at all.

If they kill off Nanoha's character just to do more Vivid anime...
I guess that's one possibility, though seems rather cruel. Another possibility is to just write her out by saying that she's off deep under-cover on some secret mission and Vivio can't contact her or something... Or I guess basically they could just not address it at all, and leave it to be a sort of secret history that people who know the franchise know but never gets brought up in the show at all. (There are other characters in the show whose parents never really get brought up either, so it's not that unlikely, but it would change the tone a fair bit.)

But yeah, given the presumed choice of doing this or letting the franchise just die entirely, it doesn't surprise me that they went this route.

[Diluc]

Another vivid anime huh? I wonder if force will get anime someday, for at least original route for Force would be good.
Well, Vivid by A-1 was a dissapointment on the most part so no wonder 7Arcs took it back.

It's not entirely A-1 mistake tbh, Vivid manga was suck and they based the adaptation from the manga.
I am glad they finally take original route for vivid, now i can take serious to watch Vivio story.

Also regarding no old cast list....yeah that bad,starting from Striker until Vivid and Force it seem Tsuzuki want to dethrone Nanoha from franchise MC for some reason.

[Kuroageha]

Ew, it's like Vivid was a huge mistake. And I meant the technical aspects handled by A-1, the manga is already so-so in my book the anime just exposed its flaws more.

[alex_drian]

Well, this may be like ViVid S2 at least in spirit, but it may also be an alternate reality or reboot. We'll have to wait and see. But yeah, Force seems on indefinite hold, and I wouldn't expect Yukari Tamura to be involved at all.


I guess that's one possibility, though seems rather cruel. Another possibility is to just write her out by saying that she's off deep under-cover on some secret mission and Vivio can't contact her or something... Or I guess basically they could just not address it at all, and leave it to be a sort of secret history that people who know the franchise know but never gets brought up in the show at all. (There are other characters in the show whose parents never really get brought up either, so it's not that unlikely, but it would change the tone a fair bit.)

But yeah, given the presumed choice of doing this or letting the franchise just die entirely, it doesn't surprise me that they went this route.


mmm You have seen the raws of Vivid? there enough material for a S2 and S3 and a detail is that never turns deadly serious, but serious sometimes.

Vivio and Einhard serious rematch, with the original oufit of Vivio

Also this would be a Vivid full original, with other girls instead of the next to appear.

A story about that girl and her encounter with Vivio

offtopic: I confess that MSLN is my favorite anime of all times

[Diluc]

Ew, it's like Vivid was a huge mistake. And I meant the technical aspects handled by A-1, the manga is already so-so in my book the anime just exposed its flaws more.

and which is why Original route might good idea;)

[LoweGear]

(I honestly don't know what this means we should do about putting this in the Nanoha forum, but technically speaking this is not Nanoha... even though it clearly is...)

While Vivid Strike may not have "Nanoha" in the name, the existence and use of characters from Nanoha ViviD pretty much cement it as part of the franchise, and thus I think this rightly deserves to be put in the subforum. There's precedent before anyway - MS IGLOO doesn't have "Gundam" in the name, but no one's arguing that it's a Gundam show, and thus is in the Gundam subforum.

[Flower]

Looks like it is coming in Fall 2016.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-07-07/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha-gets-new-vivid-strike-tv-anime-series-in-october/.104075

[Random Wanderer]

The rest of the world will never get to see Sieg fight. :(

Ah... Everything is wrong. The sky is falling. I'ma hide under my bed until this all goes away.

[tsunade666]

wow.... this was a surprised or rather the news that I read in this thread. I didn't expect to see a nanoha without a nanoha :T_T:

I don't know if its good news to see another season or not.... >_>

[B214]

So i guess this is somewhat similar to Strikers Sound Stage X.

[FlareKnight]

What a mess....

It does hurt getting the full picture of what happened with Yukari Tamura. Although personally I always consider her first as Furude Rika and second as Nanoha. Though it still sucks that Nanoha is basically going to disappear from her own franchise.

I just hope they write her away due to missions or work or just don't mention her. I'd outright not watch anything where they actually kill off the character.

[Requiem-x]

So, as far as I can understand, this is a spinoff of vivid, which uses most of the cast of vivid, and there's a new character who looks like Nanoha...

Ok, sure, why not?

Honestly, at this point all I want is actual battles with actual stakes again. Can I have that, seven arcs? Can I see Ein and Rio kicking butt for real? I honestly don't care how or why, just, please do it.

[aers]

So I've actually removed "Nanoha" from the thread title because it's actually pretty noteworthy (as others have pointed out) that the franchise is not given the Nanoha name. There's been some pretty major fallout in the production committee that seems to have resulted in this fracturing. It looks like King Records is still involved in this one, but they seem to be back in the drivers seat along with Seven Arcs. To this point it doesn't look like Aniplex is involved (we'll see). Of course, Yukari Tamura is not mentioned at all, as she's no longer with King Records (and I think most people suspect that's part of this whole thing in the first place, and why ViVid didn't have any BD release).

Anyway, so yeah -- the franchise has split-off again.

(I honestly don't know what this means we should do about putting this in the Nanoha forum, but technically speaking this is not Nanoha... even though it clearly is...)

I assume you're basing this off the new OP/ED singers being signed to King Records, since there's no mention of the production committee on the website, or in the extended staff listing given out as PR

＜STAFF＞
原作・脚本:都築真紀
監督:西村純二
キャラクター原案:藤真拓哉
キャラクターデザイン:いとうまりこ
サブデザイン:新垣一成
デバイスデザイン:大塚あきら
プロップデザイン:岡戸智凱
総作画監督:橋本貴吉、新垣一成
アクション監修:飯野まこと
メインアニメーター:中西和也
美術設定:泉 寛、益田賢治
美術監督:Scott MacDonald(スコット マクドナルド)
色彩設計:菅原美佳
撮影監督:北岡 正
編集:関 一彦
音楽:吉川洋一郎
音響制作:グロービジョン
制作:セブン・アークス・ピクチャーズ
オープニングテーマ:小倉 唯
エンディングテーマ:水瀬いのり

(source: http://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1467943041)

of note:

as noted, Tsuzuki is credited as original creator & writer
Vivid manga artist Takuya Fujima credited as original character designer
the majority of the animation staff are freelancers, except a couple who are Seven Arcs regulars
only two or three of them worked on the Seven Arcs part of the Nanoha franchise; none of them worked on the ViVid anime

This is all quite weird. Feels like a rights spat or something.

All the previous anime are listed in the meta keywords on the website:

魔法少女リリカルなのは,魔法少女リリカルなのはA's,魔法少女リリカルなのはStrikerS,魔法少 女リリカルなのはThe MOVIE 1st,魔法少女リリカルなのはThe MOVIE 2nd A's,魔法少女リリカルなのはViVid

So they're clearly not shying away from associating it with, well, everything.

So, as far as I can understand, this is a spinoff of vivid, which uses most of the cast of vivid, and there's a new character who looks like Nanoha...

Lol this is the funniest part.

[ZodiacBeast]

So, as far as I can understand, this is a spinoff of vivid, which uses most of the cast of vivid, and there's a new character who looks like Nanoha...

A combination/remake of the first two seasons - Vivio is Nanoha, Fate is...Fate, Nanoha is Hayate and Hayate is a ferret.

...or they just made Vivio be Nanoha's actual daughter, and Nanoha is older. See guys, we can have both Vivio and Nanoha now! She's like her mom!

Honestly, at this point all I want is actual battles with actual stakes again. Can I have that, seven arcs? Can I see Ein and Rio kicking butt for real? I honestly don't care how or why, just, please do it.

Seriously. I was disappointed when I heard of the tired "tournament arc" trope and how the anime stopped in the middle of it.

[Archon_Wing]

Yukari Tamura is one of my favorite voice actors of all time, and part of her performance here helped.

This is the end of the road for me. It's been... interesting.

Oh, and bye Fate.

[ZodiacBeast]

Hmm...what if the girl in the picture is Vivio, and she is Nanoha's biological daughter? That way you can "have both at once". Mommy's too busy with work to show up, but her legacy lives on.

...would give her even more motivation to save Vivio in the parallel-dimension version of Strikers, if it occurs at all.

Now I want to know if it is indeed an alternate dimension. What if Vivio is the same age and Nanoha's the same age and they're rivals ARGH

[Demi.]

This franchise is always looking for ways to reach new lows.

[Shadow Angel]

So are we getting a spin off or season two of Vivid?

[Random Wanderer]

So are we getting a spin off or season two of Vivid?

Nanoha would still be involved with notable speaking parts in a second season of Vivid. They couldn't do it without Yukarin, and I have never heard anyone manage to mimic her voice.

This would have to be a spin off. And... look, it makes sense from an outside perspective. The original cast has been here for a while, the new generation is growing into their power and becoming forces to be noted in the world. Having a "changing of the guard," so to speak, letting Nanoha and crew pass the torch on to the younger generation and let the new kids forge adventures and names for themselves... it's a logical step. The Nanoha verse is plenty big enough and complex enough to give them many opportunities to step up and become heroes in their own right.

...But Nanoha is Nanoha! She is the living icon of this world, the face of the franchise, the voice that tells us there is nothing to fear, for she will keep us safe. She is our hero. Losing her like this strikes deep into my soul.

[aers]

Nanoha would still be involved with notable speaking parts in a second season of Vivid. They couldn't do it without Yukarin, and I have never heard anyone manage to mimic her voice.

This would have to be a spin off. And... look, it makes sense from an outside perspective. The original cast has been here for a while, the new generation is growing into their power and becoming forces to be noted in the world. Having a "changing of the guard," so to speak, letting Nanoha and crew pass the torch on to the younger generation and let the new kids forge adventures and names for themselves... it's a logical step. The Nanoha verse is plenty big enough and complex enough to give them many opportunities to step up and become heroes in their own right.

...But Nanoha is Nanoha! She is the living icon of this world, the face of the franchise, the voice that tells us there is nothing to fear, for she will keep us safe. She is our hero. Losing her like this strikes deep into my sould.

What if all I wanted was a magical girl show about adults :(

Oh well, I haven't followed Nanoha (or been around the subforum) since the days where Force was just announced so no big deal to me in the end.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Just learned about the news of this new series. As a long time fan, I am excited for it. But it's also tearing into me that this won't be a continuation of the Vivid series. From what I've read, it seems like a soft reboot or maybe a complete reboot in general.

So does this mean that Nanoha is officially dead from her own franchise? I mean I've read about what happened with Yukari's incident with King Records, but this is just tearing us long time fans into the heart. There's definitely going to be subtle call backs to the Nanoha series. I mean Vivio still has the last name of Takamachi. But then again, they can go around about how she has that last name and make it as she already had that last name without the help of Nanoha and Fate.

Oh wells, here's looking forward to Vivio StrikerS and into the future of this new spinoff franchise.

[Nachtwandler]

Well, Vivid by A-1 was a dissapointment on the most part so no wonder 7Arcs took it back.

As an adaptation it was good actually. The main drawbacks were horrible new charadesignes and really strange place to finish the season.

[vic-vic]

Well, I also both exited (YAY! A new season in TSAB-verse) and wary (whoa, such a HUGE change) I overall very glad that we got a whole new work. rather than an adaptation. I like some Vivid ideas, but overall tournamet-centred premise is a bit left down, considering just HOW many interesting info we could get from the times of the Ancient Belka. Maybe we had chance to see a bigger amphasis on the war-torn past (and present) of the Dimension Sea.

P.S. The MC would be voiced by Eddelruttio's (Aldnoah Zero) VA... I can imagine her intoning: "Increase the output of Aldnoah Drive!" instead of usuall "<Device name> Set Up!"

[Key Board]

It's a weird feeling seeing old franchise like Doom, DragonBall, CardCaptor and Nanoha trying to make a comeback

It's as if my life cycled through and entire lap and now I'm at a start line again.

Interesting

[RDNexus]

Too bad not all those returnees are coming back in their prime or best...
It only shows how the passing of time can affect stuff we once loved.

[Hiss13]

Still no Force anime, huh.

Well, at least this one will be done in-house unlike the Vivid anime. Not sure how to feel about the Nanoha franchise losing it's iconic title character...

[Triple_R]

After sleeping on this, I feel a little less upset about it.

Nanoha Takamachi is an all-time favorite anime character for me, and the idea that we've now seen the last of her in anime format is depressing, especially given past movie announcements and the like. I'm also not sure how much I'd be invested in a spinoff from Nanoha that doesn't feature Nanoha herself at all...

All of that being said, the promo image for ViVid Strike is suggestive. That's not Vivio's typical hair color. Vivio's typical hair color falls somewhere between blonde and ginger, whereas this ViVid Strike promo image features a girl with brunette/dark brown hair. Hair much closer to Nanoha's in color. In fact, this ViVid Strike promo girl looks like a cross between Vivio and a teenage Nanoha.

Perhaps Seven Arcs is going for a hard reboot here. Perhaps they're going to make Vivio look and feel more like the Nanoha of the original series and Nanoha A's, in order to appeal to fans of the character and make any transition to this Nanoha-less universe smoother. Perhaps ViVid Strike will have a look and feel and tone more like that of the first two Nanoha series' and less like the Vivid anime.

If so, maybe that's all for the best. It could end up being a show that I'd enjoy watching, and that some other Nanoha fans enjoy watching. Perhaps this franchise could use a fresh start anyway.

[Key Board]

Too bad not all those returnees are coming back in their prime or best...
It only shows how the passing of time can affect stuff we once loved.

Doom was great, and I'm having fun with Super. Bad production values, but I'm entertained.


.

Perhaps Seven Arcs is going for a hard reboot here. Perhaps they're going to make Vivio look and feel more like the Nanoha of the original series and Nanoha A's, in order to appeal to fans of the character and make any transition to this Nanoha-less universe smoother. Perhaps ViVid Strike will have a look and feel and tone more like that of the first two Nanoha series' and less like the Vivid anime.

The two characters listed in the cast list (placed above Vivio and Einharts) names are new.

[LoweGear]

You know, as much as Nanoha is the face of the franchise that bears her name... I don't really feel that losing her as a character would be to the detriment of the franchise as a whole. The Nanoha franchise as a whole has become so expansive in its setting that it is very much capable of supporting a story that doesn't have Nanoha herself as the focus... and in fact, Nanoha herself arguably hasn't been the focus of the franchise since A's - yes Nanoha was the main protagonist then, but the actual focus of the story was Hayate and the Wolkenritter, whereas StrikerS had Subaru as the main protagonist, and ViviD had Vivio as the main character. That's 3 out of 4 TV series where Nanoha herself isn't the focus of the story, and this is in her own franchise no less.

Thus, them dropping Nanoha's name, and even character entirely from a spinoff isn't really that bad I feel, considering that the setting of the world has become such that Nanoha herself isn't really important for stories to be told in that setting, which ViviD handily demonstrates.

[Triple_R]

@LoweGear - I think you're overly downplaying Nanoha's role in the anime franchise that bears her name.

Really, StrikerS had 4 co-main protagonists - Subaru, Teana, Nanoha, and Fate. From both a "main POV" perspective, and a screen-time perspective, I remember things being divided pretty evenly between all 4. I also would argue that StrikerS' most memorable moments where dominated by Nanoha and Fate - the three moments that stand out the most in my mind involve Nanoha or Fate blowing somebody away. :heh: Nanoha and Fate also had a very strong presence in the recent Vivid anime.

But this actually ties into why a fresh start hard reboot might be for the best for ViVid Strike. Perhaps adult!Nanoha's absence is for the best if you want to build up a new magical girl main protagonist - A case can be made that Subaru and Teana and Vivio were all hurt by being caught in the shadows of Nanoha and Fate.

However, this means that Fate should be leaving as well. Go back to the classic magical girl setup where its about the young magical girls, and their parents are fairly minor supporting cast characters or not around at all.


All of the above being said, it's still sad to see Nanoha (and possibly Fate) leave. She's certainly had a good run, but I think there was still another good anime story or two they could have told with her. But I guess it's best to focus on the silver lining.

[vic-vic]

Foe extra dark (and excuse for their absence) Nanoha and Fate could have been killed during Eclipse incident in the Vivid-Strike timeline... thus making Vivio adopting more of her original mindset.

[FlareKnight]

@LoweGear - I think you're overly downplaying Nanoha's role in the anime franchise that bears her name.

Really, StrikerS had 4 co-main protagonists - Subaru, Teana, Nanoha, and Fate. From both a "main POV" perspective, and a screen-time perspective, I remember things being divided pretty evenly between all 4. I also would argue that StrikerS' most memorable moments where dominated by Nanoha and Fate - the three moments that stand out the most in my mind involve Nanoha or Fate blowing somebody away. :heh: Nanoha and Fate also had a very strong presence in the recent Vivid anime.

But this actually ties into why a fresh start hard reboot might be for the best for ViVid Strike. Perhaps adult!Nanoha's absence is for the best if you want to build up a new magical girl main protagonist - A case can be made that Subaru and Teana and Vivio were all hurt by being caught in the shadows of Nanoha and Fate.

However, this means that Fate should be leaving as well. Go back to the classic magical girl setup where its about the young magical girls, and their parents are fairly minor supporting cast characters or not around at all.


All of the above being said, it's still sad to see Nanoha (and possibly Fate) leave. She's certainly had a good run, but I think there was still another good anime story or two they could have told with her. But I guess it's best to focus on the silver lining.It is still a downer even with the possibilities. Honestly, it's just a strange thing in general. This universe has great potential to move well beyond the main cast, but they also made the franchise with the main character's name in the title which made it hard to ever really move away from her :heh:.

StrikerS was an odd situation really. I agree those 4 really dominated the focus though. My condolences to Lightning which was majorly ignored outside of Fate getting a few moments. Did more than they could handle with that one. I just hope with any new show that they don't get overwhelmed and try to tackle more than they can handle with a cast too large to handle.

I tend to agree if you want to branch out then you kind of need the original cast not hanging over them. That can often lead to the original cast being the one you'd rather be seeing when you have both hanging around and also can lead to them taking over in shows that should have been about passing the torch.

It's just a tough thing and depends on how they handle it. This is a weird situation really. They have to be incredibly careful or they'll kill any interest in this thing before it even comes out. Clearly making an effort to distance themselves from the Nanoha name-sake. Can understand wanting to try to establish a new franchise title so they can move on. I still think they need to be careful in removing Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate from this since I expect them all to be gone.

I do think the franchise has always had the potential to go beyond Nanoha herself. It's an entire Universe. I don't know, makes me think of Star Trek in a sense. You could go anywhere and focus anywhere if you really wanted, just keeping the connection that it happens in the same universe with the same tech. I just hope they transition properly. Sure, get the feeling they want to transition to a new lead with that picture. A very teen-Nanoha feel in a sense.

Also, what is with the focus in the show now and this cute animal devices? In the good old days we just had talking gems ;).
Foe extra dark (and excuse for their absence) Nanoha and Fate could have been killed during Eclipse incident in the Vivid-Strike timeline... thus making Vivio adopting more of her original mindset.
I wouldn't recommend that tactic though. If you want to get your new start on a franchise off on the right foot, murdering the original main characters in an incident we never see isn't a good way to get the good will of viewers. Especially with behind the scenes issues, it will just seem lazy and disrespectful.

[LoweGear]

@LoweGear - I think you're overly downplaying Nanoha's role in the anime franchise that bears her name.

Really, StrikerS had 4 co-main protagonists - Subaru, Teana, Nanoha, and Fate. From both a "main POV" perspective, and a screen-time perspective, I remember things being divided pretty evenly between all 4. I also would argue that StrikerS' most memorable moments where dominated by Nanoha and Fate - the three moments that stand out the most in my mind involve Nanoha or Fate blowing somebody away. :heh: Nanoha and Fate also had a very strong presence in the recent Vivid anime.


I did say 'arguably', though the case of Nanoha's importance is pretty much due to the fact that in all the series I mentioned, Nanoha herself isn't the actual driving force of the larger plot: yes, she's important in ways as a viewpoint, and in StrikerS Nanoha herself was Subaru's inspiration and as Vivio's adopter, however never has the plot actually centered around Nanoha herself as an element. Unlike in the original series where the conflict and relationship between Nanoha and Fate was the central story pillar of the show's plot, in A's and StrikerS she's more or less just a protagonist caught up in much larger machinations (incidentally, both of said machinations involved Hayate), and in ViviD Nanoha is more or less a side character, since the focus of that particular series is Vivio's growth.

Nanoha herself of course is an important character in the franchise, but she's the type of protagonist where you can remove her and still have a story revolving around elements already established in the setting. Hell, the entire Nanoha OC Thread in the subforum more or less established the ability of the franchise's setting to support stories that didn't focus on Nanoha - just the entire backstory of Ancient Belka is ripe with story opportunity, let alone the larger multiverse the TSAB covers.

Thus, it doesn't feel weird to me to see a story set in the Nanohaverse that doesn't have Nanoha in it, which appears to be the direction this particular show is going to take it seems.

Foe extra dark (and excuse for their absence) Nanoha and Fate could have been killed during Eclipse incident in the Vivid-Strike timeline... thus making Vivio adopting more of her original mindset.

This feels very unnecessary for something like this. Given that Vivid Strike seems to be focusing on an entirely new character as the main heroine, it's not really necessary for them to display Nanoha or Fate in any capacity in order to tell the story they want to. Even in the Nanoha franchise itself, we get people like Momoko and Shirou, aka Nanoha's own parents, whose fates aren't really covered by the TV series after A's... and yet their absence didn't affect the story of StrikerS or Vivid one bit, and nobody's putting forth the theory that they died in those particular periods. If a character doesn't need to be shown within the context of a story, then there's no need for them to show unless done so as fanservice.

[Triple_R]

I completely agree with FlareKnight's last post. I think it's only normal for many of this franchise's fans to be emotionally attached to Nanoha's character and hence sad at seeing her leave like this. But at the same time we can be cautiously optimistic towards ViVid Strike.

[Sagitta Luminis]

I miss Nanoha and Fate. I'd be much more interested in an anime about badass magical women soldiers in space.

[vic-vic]

Well, maybe killing off a bit TOO dark, I admit. Still Nanoha and Fate could have been put in hospital after the Eclipse incident and Vivio visit them as often as she can. I thought about this NOT as a tool to push new charas in the spotlight. ut rather as a meaning to show that everything got much more serious since the Strikers.

The usage of the technology of war from the ancient Belka, together with strains of the Eclipse virus, get more and more rampant and mage sof Bureau forced t use new equipment more and more. The scenes of the savage battles (which become more and more similar to those from the times of Belkan Empire) became a catalys for awakening of the memories of Vivio, Einhart and other descendants of the Belkan royal families and nobles.

[Sagitta Luminis]

Considering the direction Vivid went in, I doubt it will be as dark as the previous installments.

[relentlessflame]

I assume you're basing this off the new OP/ED singers being signed to King Records, since there's no mention of the production committee on the website, or in the extended staff listing given out as PRWell, King Amusement Creative also tweeted it (https://twitter.com/kac_officialhp/status/751237682605330432), so I think it's safe to say they're involved. The website itself was registered by Seven Arcs, so they're probably producing it too. But yeah, the full production committee hasn't been listed anywhere yet, aside from these hints.

[Sage Shinigami]

Just...a potential suggestion: if they can't use Yukarin, what're the odds that they simply recast Nanoha?

[xizro345]

Those things generally don't work. And in this case it would mean immediate backfire. I mean, despite being a minor franchise, a lot of people were ticked off when Komugi was recast in Komugi-chan R.

[vic-vic]

On other hand, Motoko Kusanagi's VA shift from Atsuko Tanaka to Maaya Sakamoto was meet without a mahot fret (in Russia at least)

[Rising Dragon]

From what I've seen (and my experiences are limited), female VAs in anime are only recast if they retire from voice acting entirely, come down with a debilitating illness, or die. Japanese fans are way too diehard when it comes to idols and voice actresses, and recasts without a good enough reason (for them) can ruin ratings.

[xizro345]

Sometimes it happens when some characters are voiced by the same VA (except for things like Kancolle, of course). In certain games it happens, but I l believe they're the exception (Jam was recast in the Guilty Gear Xrd series but I think that had to do with something with her old VA).

Plus Yukarin is still way popular, despite her falling out with King Records and her own depression. Changing Nanoha's voice would really be a bad a idea and would risk destroying whatever they're trying to build with this series.

[vic-vic]

Hmmm, I can't argue with that. Well, let's hope for the better

[Sheba]

They could just say that Nanoha went back to Earth for family reasons. And leaving everything to her friends.

[xizro345]

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work either. Judging from the cast order, I'm expecting something like ViVid but with the "new character" being raised by Vivio and Reinhart. That would mean something far in the future where they can "conveniently" remove some of the older characters.

[vic-vic]

It's hard to tell now - we need to wait until we see at least tiser

[Archon_Wing]

After sleeping on this, I feel a little less upset about it.

Nanoha Takamachi is an all-time favorite anime character for me, and the idea that we've now seen the last of her in anime format is depressing, especially given past movie announcements and the like. I'm also not sure how much I'd be invested in a spinoff from Nanoha that doesn't feature Nanoha herself at all...

All of that being said, the promo image for ViVid Strike is suggestive. That's not Vivio's typical hair color. Vivio's typical hair color falls somewhere between blonde and ginger, whereas this ViVid Strike promo image features a girl with brunette/dark brown hair. Hair much closer to Nanoha's in color. In fact, this ViVid Strike promo girl looks like a cross between Vivio and a teenage Nanoha.

Perhaps Seven Arcs is going for a hard reboot here. Perhaps they're going to make Vivio look and feel more like the Nanoha of the original series and Nanoha A's, in order to appeal to fans of the character and make any transition to this Nanoha-less universe smoother. Perhaps ViVid Strike will have a look and feel and tone more like that of the first two Nanoha series' and less like the Vivid anime.

If so, maybe that's all for the best. It could end up being a show that I'd enjoy watching, and that some other Nanoha fans enjoy watching. Perhaps this franchise could use a fresh start anyway.

I think if they're going for a re-imagining, it just feels like they're better off scrapping everything entirely and make something new but with lots of inspiration from old series like AU Gundam series. Or even Gundam series that follow the timeline with a new main character. Or like Mai Otome but actually good-- that one in particular I felt was a series that was familiar but ultimately missing the heart of it. Sometimes I really just feel like some franchises that were good should be laid to rest so we can remember them at their best instead of wandering around like zombies which just depresses me when I see that. But of course, it doesn't have to be that way with the right inspiration (and $$$)

On the other hand, it's also entirely possible the series can invite an entirely new breed of fans. As for people like me who may never accept it, I'll be left behind, but at least the franchise lives on

[Rising Dragon]

As far as a reimagining goes, they already have the movies as a platform for such. This is either an AU from the manga, or a spinoff from it, like the Railgun manga was a spinoff from the Index light novels and now the Railgun anime is an extended canon of the Railgun manga.

[ZodiacBeast]

I wouldn't mind if the girl in the picture was Vivio, this time being Nanoha's actual daughter. Still being the Sankt-Kaiser and all though.

If it's some sort of super hard reboot it'll feel too weird to watch, I think. Not crying over Nano or most likely also Fate, but weird enough.

Wonder when we can expect actual info.

[Boukenxha]

I think they probably gonna skip all the way to focus on the protege(s) of Vivio and Einhart instead, their family names being Reventon and Berlinetta. The character illustrated could be Einhart's protege, even Einhart herself? Her barrier jacket has a familiar color and style, the device looks like a white color Asteion. Not the best news for me because while I can still hope for more interesting characters and stronger plot, I was getting quite bored with the over representation of hand-to-hand combat style.

[Kazu-kun]

I think the character in the picture is a new character. I doubt they would change Vivio's looks (or Einhart's). That would be too weird. Besides, there are two names before Vivio and Einhart in the credits. Those two are probably the new main characters, and the girl in the picture is probably one of them.

[MeisterBabylon]

Maybe treat it like Gundam and lump all the parallel universes into 1 subforum.

[LoweGear]

Maybe treat it like Gundam and lump all the parallel universes into 1 subforum.

I've been saying that repeatedly here: if Gundam can have every one of its spinoffs (including MS IGLOO that doesn't have the Gundam name on the title) be in the same subforum, why shouldn't Vivid Strike be in the Nanoha subforum where it belongs?

[Rising Dragon]

'cause we have at least one spinoff series that got its own forum. Railgun's circumstances are much different than this one, however, so I too feel it should be kept under the Nanoha forum.

[relentlessflame]

Well, 1) the Nanoha sub-forum has its own share of problems, and 2) we don't know for sure yet if this reboot/re-imagining/spin-off/whatever will soar or fall upon launch. For the moment, I'm going to wait and see. Depending on what it ends up being, even if does get a sub-forum, it may be better served with a fresh start.

[LoweGear]

We're not really asking for Vivid Strike to get its own sub-forum, and I highly doubt that it'll warrant one, we're just asking for this thread to be moved to the Nanoha forum since it's patently obvious that this is part of the Nanoha franchise, regardless of the lack of "Nanoha" in the name. It's not like the Nanoha forum itself is Retired, and there hasn't been any problems in there for a long while now - no rabid shippers and fans.

What's the use of having subforums if they're not being used to organize the stuff that should be there? Having Vivid Strike moved into the subforum would also make it more obvious that this is a Nanoha-related series, and not something that just has a similar name (see the initial short-lived confusion with Vividred Operation).

[Rising Dragon]

As a spinoff there's really no justifiable reason why it shouldn't have its discussion thread in the Nanoha forum. It's part of the franchise, and uses the characters already established in that franchise, in the same world established in the franchise.

If you are going to keep it separate, though, you could make an argument that every AU Gundam series (G, Wing, X, SEED, 00, etc) should have the same treatment and they should have their own forums or discussion threads outside of the Gundam forum. Gundam Build Fighters is DEFINITELY a traditional spinoff series, and doesn't even feature actual Gundams or mobile suits, but plastic models of such. But even that was kept in the Gundam forum.

So why keep ViVid Strike! out of the forum of the franchise that spawned it?

[relentlessflame]

Guys, the thread is staying here for now. Thanks.

[Rovert10]

If we're assuming the Vivid cast is the same one from the manga.

They could use the fact that Nanohaverse is a multiverse/timeline setting.

They could just wisk away the Vivid cast to alternate timeline where original cast doesn't exist because "lol lost logia". That way you can immediately justify the lack of any of the original cast characters and keep all focus on Vivio and the gang. No killing off characters or timeline skipping involved. Would it be the most interesting? I don't know but it'd probably be the "safest".

[Westlo]

Those things generally don't work. And in this case it would mean immediate backfire. I mean, despite being a minor franchise, a lot of people were ticked off when Komugi was recast in Komugi-chan R.

Is a recast really worse than essentially writing off the character for good and completely changing the landscape of the franchise, with no follow up to the previous Vivid season, as well as no more Nanoha 3rd?

As much as I like Yukarin.... it's a no brainer for me.

[Rising Dragon]

You're underestimating just how much otaku emotionally invest in these women.

[xizro345]

To be fair, it happened also on other franchises and games (not necessarily Japanese ones) so it's not only an "otaku" (I wish we could stop using that term) thing.

Is a recast really worse than essentially writing off the character for good and completely changing the landscape of the franchise, with no follow up to the previous Vivid season, as well as no more Nanoha 3rd?

I'd say, right now, they're basically the same. The franchise has been struggling since a while. While ViViD (despite - IMO - its horrible writing) may have reinvigorated the franchise, the lack of BDs probably slowed the momentum quite a bit.
The only worse situation I can imagine would be killing Fate on screen and I doubt they're that crazy.

They should just let the franchise die, the way I see it.

[ZodiacBeast]

To be honest, for the longest time I thought that the series would probably end with Vivid, since the series had been going since 2004. Vivid felt like "passing the torch", and it would have been nice to let Vivio have her own adventure with her group of friends.

That was before I heard about Innocent, which I think is a cool idea, but it's also only to promote a social game, so no high hopes there.

From what I heard about Force, it's a good thing it stalled.

I wonder if this will be similar to My-Hime and My-Otome?

[seiftis]

No Nanoha, means no Fate... ahh I'm hating this already. :(

[Nachtwandler]

With all love to Fate, her fans are making me mad with their zealosy.

[vic-vic]

And let's not mention most rabid NanoFate fans

[FlareKnight]

It will be a lot easier to get a feel for this once we see a PV or something. Right now it's kind of hard to tell where they plan on going. The obvious things like distancing from the original cast seems likely, but otherwise who knows. Are we going to focus more on where ViVid was going in terms of tournaments and a kind of competition focus? Will they go in another direction and have a bit more adventure and higher stakes? Not a clue, but finding that out will make it easier to decide how I feel about all this.

Will hope for the best here. It's a big universe and they can do a lot with it.
With all love to Fate, her fans are making me mad with their zealosy.
Maybe. But good luck to managing a fanbase to the point where they are excited enough, but not too excited so as to not inconvenience anybody :heh:. Fanbases get excited about what they like, it's why a fanbase exists around anything to begin with. People aren't going to just turn that off.

[Nachtwandler]

I'm just glad that franchise returned to the original studio and writer. I think they can manage it on the decent level. And with all my love to Nanoha, Hayate and Fate, I will be satisfied even if they don't appear here. As long as it will be on the level of the previous seasons, I don't care who will be an MC.

[Blue-kun]

I'm a gigantic Nana Mizuki fanboy, so these news obviously don't please me too much. But honestly, more than not having Nanoha and Fate (Yukarin and Nana), the thing that's bothering me the most here is casting Yui Ogura, and worse, giving her the OP song.

Just... why, really. I don't think she's a good seiyuu, but above all, I definitely don't think she can sing. And to be replacing Nana, of all people? Especially considering that they could just have had Nana return to perform the OP even if Fate isn't going to be around. Might've made the whole thing less bad for old fans, in a way.

Mind you, I don't want to say this will be a complete disgrace, and there's even a chance, however small, that it turns out to be decent. But you know, at least personally speaking, Nana's songs were a huge part of Nanoha for me, and I associate countless of her insert songs to key moments of the series/movies. I don't trust one bit that Yui Ogura will be able to replicate this, so it's like one of the defining traits of the Nanoha franchise for me has already been removed from this new project. Not a good feeling.

And that said, I must confess I AM somewhat interested in knowing the full extent of the mess that Nanoha's in right now. Is it some copyright issue with the Nanoha character herself? Is it related to Yukarin and her departure from King, which doesn't seem like it happened in the most amiable terms? And considering what happened to ViViD and the complete silence regarding the movie, is that project also killed? I hope we get the full story one day...

[Nightengale]

I would say any disappointment I have stems from the fact that I don't think the core cast got the send-off they deserved if this is indeed the passing of the torch. StrikerS did an excellent job on selling me on the expanded Nanohaverse, the TSAB, the new characters, etc. ViviD did a good job at expanding the world from the perspective of kids living in that world, within the context of something like Strike Arts. The world building has been great for Nanoha.

But not the cap-off. I guess it's a bit of a melodramatic request, but Nanoha franchise is a high-action magical girl series after all, and the lack of a "one last time" from Nanoha and co. at the peak of their capabilities squaring off against a worthy foe in the same spectacle that A's provided. That is lacking for me.

[vic-vic]

Id say, it's still too early to state that fate and/or hayate would be absent - as it was said in the topic, we should wait until we have more info.

[Tiresias]

Don't really know what to say. On one hand, I always feel there's to that can be explored from the setting. On the other hand the Vivid manga was dull, the F manga was groan-inducing, and the Vivid anime rivaled the Prillya anime in making me sleep.

Definitely not a popular opinion here, but IMHO at this rate maybe a spinoff without any of the previous cast might be better. Or limit them to cameos, whatever. Just make sure the writers actually has to make some effort instead of just "so we'll just take a generic plot with generic characterization, scramble them just a wee a bit to look clever, and then slap familiar faces into it to make them otaku forget all about that badness - CHA CHING!"

[Triple_R]

I would say any disappointment I have stems from the fact that I don't think the core cast got the send-off they deserved if this is indeed the passing of the torch. StrikerS did an excellent job on selling me on the expanded Nanohaverse, the TSAB, the new characters, etc. ViviD did a good job at expanding the world from the perspective of kids living in that world, within the context of something like Strike Arts. The world building has been great for Nanoha.

But not the cap-off. I guess it's a bit of a melodramatic request, but Nanoha franchise is a high-action magical girl series after all, and the lack of a "one last time" from Nanoha and co. at the peak of their capabilities squaring off against a worthy foe in the same spectacle that A's provided. That is lacking for me.

I completely agree. Nanoha and Fate have had a very good run, but they never had that good self-aware finale. It's unfortunate that we almost certainly won't get it.

[MeoTwister5]

I'm actually surprised I'm not seeing more rabid reactions in the internet to the apparent absenteeism of the 2 famous leads here. The NanoFate people are some of the most insane yuri shippers I've ever seen.

[Sagitta Luminis]

I'm actually surprised I'm not seeing more rabid reactions in the internet to the apparent absenteeism of the 2 famous leads here. The NanoFate people are some of the most insane yuri shippers I've ever seen.
Maybe they moved on to Madoka Magica and Love Live. :heh:

[Archon_Wing]

You're underestimating just how much otaku emotionally invest in these women.

Hey, well, there is a reason why Goku is voiced by a 79 year old woman.

[Triple_R]

I'm actually surprised I'm not seeing more rabid reactions in the internet to the apparent absenteeism of the 2 famous leads here. The NanoFate people are some of the most insane yuri shippers I've ever seen.

Most NanoFate shippers I know, including myself, have long accepted that we weren't likely to ever see the pairing ironclad confirmed. Short of that, they've already shown plenty that should appeal to any NanoFate shipper (Nanoha and Fate sleeping in the same bed, Nanoha and Fate raising Vivio together with Vivio calling both of them "mama", etc...).

I would have liked a confirmation, but it's not the end of the world to not have one. It's certainly not hard to see serious yuri romance in what they did give us. :heh:

As a Nanoha fan, and as a Fate fan, it's sad to see their story likely end now (at least in the anime). But as a NanoFate fan, this is arguably a good thing - Their ship can never be torn apart in the anime if their anime story is now told! ;)

[Gx Hero]

Definitely not a popular opinion here, but IMHO at this rate maybe a spinoff without any of the previous cast might be better. Or limit them to cameos, whatever. Just make sure the writers actually has to make some effort instead of just "so we'll just take a generic plot with generic characterization, scramble them just a wee a bit to look clever, and then slap familiar faces into it to make them otaku forget all about that badness - CHA CHING!"

I have to agree with you, and I thought force was heading that way. Their is too much legacy building up in the nanoha franchise. I feel we need something akin to the first season.

A new start with a few old characters acting as mentors to this new character. Or something similar to innocent parallel world to help out. at least itwill be animated first and not taken from the manga like vivid.

However we see Nove, einheart, VIvio, Rio, and Crona listed in the cast which worries me.

On the other hand we have someone that looks like Nanoha in einhearts barrier jacket. which makes me wonder if who she is will dictate the story. Like is she some clone, einhearts and vivio's kid. Or somehting more.

[Eisdrache]

I get that Nanoha isn't appearing due to all the trouble around Yukarin.

What I don't get is why 1) this automatically means that Fate won't appear, 2) why people are acting like the world is going to end if Nanoha isn't going to appear and 3) why some are thinking that Nanoha is being killed off without any basis.

Both Vivid and Force mangas had their flaws but unlike StrikerS they're hardly failed products. To me it seems that fans need to realize that series do evolve over time. New elements get introduced and existing things sometimes get shifted out. There is no Nanoha in this show but it could work perfectly fine without her. It's WAY too early to make a judgement especially since we know next to nothing about Vivid Strike.

[Triple_R]

Both Vivid and Force mangas had their flaws but unlike StrikerS they're hardly failed products.

This is a side-issue, but I wouldn't consider StrikerS a failed product. StrikerS in fact sold very well on DVDs/Blu-Rays. IIRC, it sold close to/around 20K per volume, which is definitely a hit level for anime.

Also, speaking personally, I thought StrikerS was pretty good. It had it's flaws, but it also had a lot of sections that I enjoyed thoroughly.

[Gx Hero]

So far we know nothing about this new vivid strike.

I think this is nearly perfect to introduce a new hero instead of continously building on to Nanoha.

However the question remains is it simply the next part of vivid or is this the new saga that is about to unfold.

I also believe fans are eager to see if seven arcs can still pull off the charm that attracted us to the series in the first place.

We shall have to wait in see. once we get a trailer we can answer some of these questions.

[Rising Dragon]

This is a side-issue, but I wouldn't consider StrikerS a failed product. StrikerS in fact sold very well on DVDs/Blu-Rays. IIRC, it sold close to/around 20K per volume, which is definitely a hit level for anime.

Also, speaking personally, I thought StrikerS was pretty good. It had it's flaws, but it also had a lot of sections that I enjoyed thoroughly.

Hell, of the first three seasons, IIRC StrikerS outsold MGLN and A's both.

[Stark700]

New preview
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[moodie]

looks 1000 times better than that a1 attempt

[Archon_Wing]

Yea, that actaully looks like something and much better than that abomination of a Vivid. At least they're trying something new as opposed to more generic moe dispensing.

But pretty apathetic either way.

[Tiresias]

Unsurprisingly underwhelming.

[Proto]

Eh, this could potentially be pretty good. If anything we have lacked credible drama in any of the Nanoha adaptations for a while now, so this could be a breath of fresh air. Consider me sold for the time being.

[Kuroageha]

As long as they don't pull something stupid excuse to make "evil guys are evil!" there shouldn't be a problem.

[Requiem-x]

Looks like this might be what Vivid, and more specifically, Einhart's situation, should've been: rehab through sports that doesn't get resolved in a single episode:mad: Just from that preview you can tell, or at least get the feeling, this girl ain't gonna get all chummy with Vivio and crew right off the bat (which should help give any character development more impact), and if you add the personal stake of having a "friend" to protect (something way closer to the first seasons' feel than any Belkan reincarnation stuff), I think this might be giving the magical sports thing what it needed: a reason for the audience to care. Also, props for giving it a darker feel right off the bat. Some might think it excessive, but I enjoy that its different from vivid's "everything is super duper fine" atmosphere.

[ramlaen]

So more of a side story instead of a sequel?

[Nachtwandler]

And I like it. New heroine looks quite good and the animation level is appropriate. OP of cause is not Nana Mizuki level but still good.

[LoweGear]

So it's a ViviD sidestory rather than a sequel. I like the concept of having the main character be engaged in dirty street fighting that not even Einhart got into, can't wait to see what her story is.

[Nachtwandler]

Judging by the description it takes place 1 year after ViVid (and 1 year before Force).

[Gx Hero]

Looks like this might be what Vivid, and more specifically, Einhart's situation, should've been: rehab through sports that doesn't get resolved in a single episode:mad: Just from that preview you can tell, or at least get the feeling, this girl ain't gonna get all chummy with Vivio and crew right off the bat (which should help give any character development more impact), and if you add the personal stake of having a "friend" to protect (something way closer to the first seasons' feel than any Belkan reincarnation stuff), I think this might be giving the magical sports thing what it needed: a reason for the audience to care. Also, props for giving it a darker feel right off the bat. Some might think it excessive, but I enjoy that its different from vivid's "everything is super duper fine" atmosphere.

I whole heartily agree with you. At least they are trying to mend the issue with vivid and knowing them they can pull it off. When I think of sequels to nanoha this is what I thought of. However we will have to wait and see.

[Jimmy C]

Good or bad, I hope this works out well enough for them. Because if this succeeds, this franchise will be able to make a transition away from specific characters and still prosper. A franchise that reaches this stage can continue indefinitely.
Precure is the prime example for magical girl series. Another would be Gundam.
But the future of the Nanoha franchise may be more like Macross than Precure or Gundam.

I wonder what the new name (of the franchise, not this series) will be?

[Gx Hero]

Good point especially since we are on a world with magic and futuristic tech which at this stage allows multiple stories to unfold.

[DragonXX]

Good point especially since we are on a world with magic and futuristic tech which at this stage allows multiple stories to unfold.

It look like the main character start on Earth. Also is the girl she protecting Illya from Fate/Stay Night? They look so alike.

[Akito Kinomoto]

New preview
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The song is too high pitched for that BAMF lead, although I'm not sure how much star power Vivio and Einhart have with the potential to overshadow her. Maybe Seven Arcs should scrap this entirely and make a new franchise

[CrowKenobi]

[EDIT] The previous discussion has been moved to the Vivid Manga thread. Please continue to use this thread for anticipation, etc. for the Vivid Strike anime.

Thanks. :)

and thread reopened!

[TYxTxYT]

[EDIT] The previous discussion has been moved to the Vivid Manga thread. Please continue to use this thread for anticipation, etc. for the Vivid Strike anime.

Thanks. :)

and thread reopened!

I dunno why my post got moved, since I'm discussing newly posted information from Vivid Strike official site.
But whatever.

[Gx Hero]

The song is too high pitched for that BAMF lead, although I'm not sure how much star power Vivio and Einhart have with the potential to overshadow her. Maybe Seven Arcs should scrap this entirely and make a new franchise

THat is a worrying thought. It is one of the things I have feared as each new series is added. like honestly how much dose nanoha and other characters overshadow thoma in force. However I have faith that it won't happen. However we will have to wait and see.

[b33g]

New Key visual Visual and ED Commercial:

http://i.imgur.com/DMOL4g0.png
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[Gx Hero]

If the image above is any indication then the main character's friend the one with the white hair is going to play a role similar to hayate during A's a big part of the story but not actually fighting.

also dosen't main charecters outfit look a lot like hayate's, heck she even has the same braid in her hair.

[Rising Dragon]

Braid? Hayate's hair isn't long enough to braid... and their outfits look nothing alike. Hayate's is a singular short dress and jacket, and armor plates over a waist cape. Fuuka's baring her midriff, wearing bike shorts beneath a split-open skirt, is wearing a vest over the shirt, and is wearing opera gloves beneath her gauntlets. 'bout the only similarity is the gold clasps on her shirt, and that her shirt and shorts are black.

[Gx Hero]

yeah your right. I guess it felt like she resembled another character even though that is the case.

[Nachtwandler]

Still no news regarding the subs? It will be a real disappointment if only some anons will sub it.

[Diluc]

Still awe me this franchise started from Nanoha older brother as MC but taken over into his younger sister spin off reduced his brother into supporting cast shadow.
perhaps Nanoha never main protagonist treatment in her sequel is an act of karma to her?

[RDNexus]

Still no news regarding the subs? It will be a real disappointment if only some anons will sub it.
Well, given that ViVid had that unfortunate happening, I wouldn't be too surprised if the same happened to this one.

[Gx Hero]

Well we will see. They seem to recognize vivids short comings. I suspect seven arcs will do better when the content is made into anime first and not manga.

[b33g]

Story page updated with introduction.
http://vivid-strike.com/story/

Anybody able to translate it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsxUmJkWAAAU5US.jpg

[vic-vic]

Story page updated with introduction.
http://vivid-strike.com/story/

Anybody able to translate it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsxUmJkWAAAU5US.jpg

Fuuka and Rinne were a girls who lived in ophranage.
Those two childhood friends were close as sisters.
Being poor, those two spent their days dreaming about brighter future.

Hovewer, Fuuka and Rinne suffered a "Second separation" and their fate was changed...

Hope this helped.

[lfhoule]

Still awe me this franchise started from Nanoha older brother as MC but taken over into his younger sister spin off reduced his brother into supporting cast shadow.
perhaps Nanoha never main protagonist treatment in her sequel is an act of karma to her?

Well, let's not forget that at the beginning of the franchise (the original "Triangle Hearts" hentai OVAs), Nanoha's older siblings weren't even around... Nanoha's parents were "working on that".;)

And concerning the subbing of "Vivid Strike"... at this point I'm so use to having anons doing the subtitling it's not even funny. This is one of those franchises that has not seen much in the way of love outside of Japan, and when you think about it, we were lucky that Funimation even brought over the first 2 Nanoha series a few years ago...

[Gx Hero]

Well, let's not forget that at the beginning of the franchise (the original "Triangle Hearts" hentai OVAs), Nanoha's older siblings weren't even around... Nanoha's parents were "working on that".;)

And concerning the subbing of "Vivid Strike"... at this point I'm so use to having anons doing the subtitling it's not even funny. This is one of those franchises that has not seen much in the way of love outside of Japan, and when you think about it, we were lucky that Funimation even brought over the first 2 Nanoha series a few years ago...

that would explain why we never got strikers dubbed or subbed in the us.

[Nachtwandler]

Episode 1

First episode was actually decent. For now it looks like first arc of Vivid but done right.

[RDNexus]

And, as expected, no official subbing group picked it up.
Nanoha franchise's curse keeps going strong. Oh well...

[Stark700]

Definitely has my attention so far. That Fuka girl has a lot of potential as shown in the ring already.

I would highly expect a rematch in the future between her and Rinne, probably in a stadium at the finals or something. Nice to see Vivio and Einhart in this. They still seem to be the same from the previous series.

[RDNexus]

For those who have been following the franchise from the beginning...
Wasn't Midchilda a somehow more futuristic kind of world?
It now seems more like good old Earth...

[Rising Dragon]

Keep in mind that Midchilda is still recovering from the Sankt Kaiser Unification War. They have magic to provide cleaner energy and strict mass weaponry control laws, and magic does give them some leeway for medical situations (as healing magic accelerates the body's natural regeneration), plus the whole interdimensional travel thing, but otherwise it has not been shown to be any more advanced than other cultures. Midchilda is still a frontier world. The vast majority of its regions have not been settled by the natives.

As for this new series, have there been any hints so far of new Belkan Heirs? We have Vivio, Einhart, Victoria, Sieglinde, and Ixpellia thus far, but I'm wondering (and hoping, really) that there are more to be revealed.

[vic-vic]

Well, Mid-Childa always for more Twenty-Minutes in Future type of future-world: for example have a lovely damage-absorbtion devices we saw in the first episode and the most shiny toys goes into the military service first.

I hope to see the hints about the threat of the Eclipse virus. Like a articles in the newspapers.

[Aetherdraw]

I would love to have seen Vivio's match with Rinne. I wasn't expecting Fukka to be taught the Hegemon-style though. Nice one Einhardt, you now gained one apprentice!

[vic-vic]

Well, Fuka pretty similar to Einhart - when she first meet our beloved Nakajima-team she jump from one fight into another in desperate attempt to get stronger so no wonder she and Einhart get along so well right from the start

[Random Wanderer]

For those who have been following the franchise from the beginning...
Wasn't Midchilda a somehow more futuristic kind of world?
It now seems more like good old Earth...

Midchilda has always been a strange anachronism of high technology combined with settings that could be anywhere on modern-day Earth... and then some settings that are clearly futuristic, just to throw us off. And then some parts of it seem almost antiquated. Simply put, it's a place where the technology level can be adjusted to suit whatever the writer needs.

[RDNexus]

And that sucks big time, I think it'd be better if they sticked to a specific setting and made the best use of it for each different story. Is it asking too much? :upset:

[Dop]

OK. So I missed the last Vivid thing because no streaming and i only saw the first bit in fansub.
I only really watched this because it was on Amazon Prime.

So... Did the whole 'magical girl' and 'time-space administration bureau' thing get canned?

There wasn't really anything in this which seemed to justify being part of the same franchise.

[RDNexus]

Setting, antagonists-turned-allies, Vivio... No matter how far it has strayed from the essence of the original series, it's still part of the franchise.

[Nachtwandler]

Than they tried to further go with military-SF theme it ended up with Force, that community hates, so for now they are playing safe. Lets see what Reflection will give us.

[Rising Dragon]

Last I checked, Force wasn't hated by the main community--before its hiatus, it was selling just as well as ViVid was.

[Random Wanderer]

Last I checked, Force wasn't hated by the main community--before its hiatus, it was selling just as well as ViVid was.

Force gets varying responses. Some people like it more, some people like it less, some people like it equally. So, you know, about what can be said for any sequel.

[Rising Dragon]

Yeah, but our opinions, westerner opinions, literally don't matter. MGLN is already a niche series in Japan as it is, and is even worse over in the West. Despite that, Force still sold as well as ViVid did, so the Japanese audiences still liked it. So its hiatus would presumably be caused by different factors. There've been far more popular mangas that went on hiatus despite said popularity, after all.

[Proto]

OK. So I missed the last Vivid thing because no streaming and i only saw the first bit in fansub.
I only really watched this because it was on Amazon Prime.

So... Did the whole 'magical girl' and 'time-space administration bureau' thing get canned?

There wasn't really anything in this which seemed to justify being part of the same franchise.

Does it? I can only find it on Amazon prime uk. Is it on Amazon Prime US?

[Random Wanderer]

OK. So I missed the last Vivid thing because no streaming and i only saw the first bit in fansub.
I only really watched this because it was on Amazon Prime.

So... Did the whole 'magical girl' and 'time-space administration bureau' thing get canned?

There wasn't really anything in this which seemed to justify being part of the same franchise.

It's in the same franchise because it is. It's happening within the same timeline, about a year after Vivid. Several of the characters are ones from Vivid, and a couple were also in Strikers. The magical girl thing is as much a thing as it ever was, which is to say that "magic" is a form of energy that they quantify scientifically in this world, and they use devices to help them control, and properly trained mages will "transform" before a fight, replacing their street clothes with a barrier jacket (or Belkan armor, depending on the school of magic involved) which protects them from attacks that should otherwise kill them. So you have girls who use magic and who go through naked transformations into fancy-looking clothes: ergo it is a magical girl series.

The Time Space Administration is still a thing, it simply doesn't matter to any of these characters, because they aren't involved in it. It's busy doing its thing out where it's needed.

[Nachtwandler]

Last I checked, Force wasn't hated by the main community--before its hiatus, it was selling just as well as ViVid was.

I have read so many bad opinions regarding it, so its hard for me to judge, but It was put in hiatus (that lasts more than 3 years already) while ViVid still goes and they started Innocent with the same spocon theme. And now we also have this series. So I think Tsuzuki and Ko decided that this directions is preferable.

[Rising Dragon]

True, but it also could be because he had too much on his plate, or he wrote himself into a corner--which the latter, I believe, was referring to in the official notice about its hiatus.

[Anh_Minh]

... Wait, when did Einhard start encouraging people to call her Harunyan? And who's her... roommate?

[RDNexus]

The Manga is already in the 80+ chapters, while in english it's only in the 60+.
I think this series happens after events around the latest chapters in Japan.

[Kazu-kun]

... Wait, when did Einhard start encouraging people to call her Harunyan? And who's her... roommate?

Yumina's a friend of Einhard's from the manga. She was her friend even before she met Vivio and the others, although she was introduced after the tournament.

[Random Wanderer]

... Wait, when did Einhard start encouraging people to call her Harunyan? And who's her... roommate?

The Harunyan nickname is created by Sieglinde in chapter 48 of the Vivid manga. Yumina is introduced in chapter 64 of the Vivid manga.

[RDNexus]

They basically skipped a nice bunch of events of the Manga, for whatever reasons.
But, if the rumors get confirmed, next year we may get a true ViVid sequel series.

[FlareKnight]

They basically skipped a nice bunch of events of the Manga, for whatever reasons.
But, if the rumors get confirmed, next year we may get a true ViVid sequel series.
I can understand why they just wanted to leap over the ViVid manga and tell their own story. Looking forward to seeing where they go with this.

Would be interesting if they do go back to continue adapting the manga. Anything can happen. Though I do wonder if their decision to just skip over it and start fresh with their own story means they don't really intend to go back.

[RDNexus]

If there are rumors of a ViVid S2, then I guess they may be willing to go back.
It's possible all that trouble around Yukari Tamura made the S2 project get delayed.

[vic-vic]

IIRC, cuurently Vivid in the possesion of A-1, and there is a movie to come. So I don't know what to think about Vivid S2

[ditto526]

If there are rumors of a ViVid S2, then I guess they may be willing to go back.
It's possible all that trouble around Yukari Tamura made the S2 project get delayed.

and this matters why? Both Nanoha & Fate were barely in the first season

[Kazu-kun]

IIRC, cuurently Vivid in the possesion of A-1, and there is a movie to come. So I don't know what to think about Vivid S2

I wonder why A-1 never released Vivid S1 on BD or DVDs. Maybe there are some legal issues involved.

[Rising Dragon]

Didn't they recently confirm that ViVid's getting a BD release though?

[Kazu-kun]

Didn't they recently confirm that ViVid's getting a BD release though?

I didn't hear anything myself. Do you have a link to the announcement?

[Rising Dragon]

I didn't hear anything myself. Do you have a link to the announcement?

http://otakomu.jp/archives/410184.html

Found in the ViVid anime discussion thread.

[Nachtwandler]

I didn't hear anything myself. Do you have a link to the announcement?

BD-box is available for pre-order on Amazon. In two versions. Comes in November if I am not mistaken.

[relentlessflame]

Yeah, basically, my interpretation of the whole mess is that there was a giant legal entanglement, but things are clearing now with the Vivid BD release, this series, the movie being given a date, and so on. Whatever the problems were, they seem to now have worked them out.

[RDNexus]

If that's so, then that's great :)

[FlameSparkZ]

A decent episode, showing Fuuka's daily routines.
The girls show their transformations into "adult mode", Fuuka tries as well...but it doesn't go as planned :heh:

The Nakajima gym gets an invitation from another gym, which happens to be the same Rinne is associated to...I laughed at the Nanoha-lookalike in the poster's bottom right corner :heh:

Some information is given regarding Rinne's abilities, she's an extremely powerful fighter: All around good at every category, be it hitting hard, good combos, throwing attacks, and even magic. No notable flaws.

...I swear, I'll be calling plot hax if she's ever shown beating Sieglinde :eyebrow:
Let's see how next week's ep will be, looking forward to it.

[Random Wanderer]

A decent episode, showing Fuuka's daily routines.
The girls show their transformations into "adult mode", Fuuka tries as well...but it doesn't go as planned :heh:

The Nakajima gym gets an invitation from another gym, which happens to be the same Rinne is associated to...I laughed at the Nanoha-lookalike in the poster's bottom right corner :heh:

Some information is given regarding Rinne's abilities, she's an extremely powerful fighter: All around good at every category, be it hitting hard, good combos, throwing attacks, and even magic. No notable flaws.

...I swear, I'll be calling plot hax if she's ever shown beating Sieglinde :eyebrow:
Let's see how next week's ep will be, looking forward to it.

There's a thread for episode-specific commentary, you know. That post should probably go there.

[FlameSparkZ]

There's a thread for episode-specific commentary, you know. That post should probably go there.
Oh...my bad. I didn't see it :heh:

[Arcc]

This has prompted me to log onto this board for the first time in. . . a while. Seven Arcs is on this and it's not an adaptation of existing material, so my curiosity is piqued. I have questions and I'm not sure what they are yet.

What's Tsuzuki's hand in it? His skill is in writing and choreographing directly for the screen, but it seems like the franchise has gotten away from him, metaphorically at first and then a bit more literally. I liked FORCE initially despite its unsuitedness to the print format, but found ViVid distasteful and regressive. This has me curious but hesitant.

[TYxTxYT]

This has prompted me to log onto this board for the first time in. . . a while. Seven Arcs is on this and it's not an adaptation of existing material, so my curiosity is piqued. I have questions and I'm not sure what they are yet.

What's Tsuzuki's hand in it? His skill is in writing and choreographing directly for the screen, but it seems like the franchise has gotten away from him, metaphorically at first and then a bit more literally. I liked FORCE initially despite its unsuitedness to the print format, but found ViVid distasteful and regressive. This has me curious but hesitant.

Judging from first 3 episode, I think it's still him, the dude love his loli fistfights, plus he is pretty good at writing interesting background for characters, although struggles to flesh them out in the actually story.
Which is sad for me because I would rather him gtfo and have capable people bring back beamspam. I don't want more characters, I just want existing characters beamspam and a good story.

We shall see if we will get an infusion of filler characters to confirm.

[Arcc]

Judging from first 3 episode, I think it's still him, the dude love his loli fistfights, plus he is pretty good at writing interesting background for characters, although struggles to flesh them out in the actually story.
Which is sad for me because I would rather him gtfo and have capable people bring back beamspam. I don't want more characters, I just want existing characters beamspam and a good story.

We shall see if we will get an infusion of filler characters to confirm.

I think you're slightly confused. (http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Masaki_Tsuzuki)

Tsuzuki was not directly involved in the A-1 ViVid adapation. He's excellent at writing nuanced and layered action television plots, albeit not so much at trying to fit those plots into a 30-page comic that comes out once a month. If he is writing and controlling this series, it will likely be quite good. If there is some sort of IP war going on with the franchise, as I've seen implied in this thread, then he may not be involved in this either and it bodes rather ill for things to come, if there ever will be.

[TYxTxYT]

I think you're slightly confused. (http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Masaki_Tsuzuki)

Tsuzuki was not directly involved in the A-1 ViVid adapation. He's excellent at writing nuanced and layered action television plots, albeit not so much at trying to fit those plots into a 30-page comic that comes out once a month. If he is writing and controlling this series, it will likely be quite good. If there is some sort of IP war going on with the franchise, as I've seen implied in this thread, then he may not be involved in this either and it bodes rather ill for things to come, if there ever will be.

The Vivid manga itself have always been in control of Tsuzuki.

I don't think I am confused, Tsuzuki have demonstrated that he loves the fistfighting theme, and how lackluster his plotlines can be when the limitation of a seasonal anime doesn't exist.

From a KR perspective, bringing in new set of main characters(to promote singer VA) doesn't necessarily have to be a continuation of the Vivid theme, which is the lowest point of the franchise, and yet here we are.

To make it clear, I agree he can write a full story when the pressure of an original anime is on him so that he can't wander off track, however given his history, he is likely to compensate this "lack of innovation" elsewhere, such as awkward new installments and/or fifty filler characters.

[Arcc]

Some very good points made there, especially the question of why connect it to ViVid.

All the same, this does seem like it's constrained to a set number of episodes, with a plot arc established early on. I can see it going two ways. Either things continue down that track there at ViVid's casual, slice-of-life pace, and there's not much reason to introduce a new character focus at all. . . or, the initial plot will soon be driven hard off the rails and into unexpected territory by exterior threat escalations, like in the old days.

Once upon a time Fate and Chrono were suddenly-introduced characters who dramatically warped the focus of the show with their introduction. A's might have been resolved halfway through the season if not for the sudden interference of the conspirators. Other times, I concede it has been less effective (though for various reasons I still adore all those StrikerS characters and consider it my favourite).

Edit: I think I had a point I was trying to make here somewhere, but I seem to have dropped it and it blends in with the carpet. . .

[Gx Hero]

THese days most anime are constrained to 12-13 episodes which is good and bad depending if you need one or two more episodes to flesh out the story.

I think connecting vivid strike to vivid helps pre establish certain concepts, especially everyday life on midchilda. Also the use of preexisting characters without having to explain their backstory, but it being there for those interested that are new to the series. At least that is what I think. It could easily be them trying a redo of vivid and seeing what happens.

Still it is a step up from vivid and in truth what vivid should have been. Especially with concerns with einheart as vivio's rival. Think if einheart had acted like rinne and vivio had to get through to her how it could have ended up.

[TwoZeroTwo]

Ayyyy I should probably use my account. Do I even have an avatar or anything?

To me, as long as ViVid Strike has an ending in mind and an idea for how to get there in 13 episodes, I'm happy. I haven't watched Vivid yet because in the back of my mind I'm like "welp, i can get to the end of season 1 and then I'll just be waiting around for the next season". Also partly why I haven't checked out Force - because I know at some point I'll just reach where it stopped and there'll be nothing more. So yeah, if this can be another solid 1-season anime with a full arc, I'm down.

Though I was kinda hoping for more than 2 minutes of "living and fighting on the street" but again, okay. That's all the trailer showed, so I kinda had expectations.

I can see it going two ways. Either things continue down that track there at ViVid's casual, slice-of-life pace, and there's not much reason to introduce a new character focus at all. . . or, the initial plot will soon be driven hard off the rails and into unexpected territory by exterior threat escalations, like in the old days.


I don't know if it will do that just because in episode 3, Rinne established that the Winter tournament was where she wanted to fight everyone and that it was a couple months away. If the plot suddenly jumped away from that completely, it would feel...weird, maybe. There might be unexpected events that happen before then but I think everyone will still get there to the tournament.

[Gx Hero]

Yeah I feel episode one should have been more about fuka's life before she went to nakajama gym.

[FlameSparkZ]

We might still get an episode telling Fuuka's life before joining the gym (and maybe even the moment when Rinne was adopted and her new life), hopefully somewhere halfway through the series :uhoh:

[Gx Hero]

I also agree. I just meant as it feels like the series would have been better if they had started out with that. But as you stated their are probably episodes dedicated to that.

[Aetherdraw]

We might still get an episode telling Fuuka's life before joining the gym (and maybe even the moment when Rinne was adopted and her new life), hopefully somewhere halfway through the series :uhoh:

We just got Rinne's backstory today, and by god was it brutal... :uhoh:

[novalysis]

To make it clear, I agree he can write a full story when the pressure of an original anime is on him so that he can't wander off track, however given his history, he is likely to compensate this "lack of innovation" elsewhere, such as awkward new installments and/or fifty filler characters.

Some very good points made there, especially the question of why connect it to ViVid.

All the same, this does seem like it's constrained to a set number of episodes, with a plot arc established early on. I can see it going two ways. Either things continue down that track there at ViVid's casual, slice-of-life pace, and there's not much reason to introduce a new character focus at all. . . or, the initial plot will soon be driven hard off the rails and into unexpected territory by exterior threat escalations, like in the old days.


I think the frustrating thing here is that Vivid could have worked if it was organized much more clearly into well defined arcs, much like you see in normal Shounen-Fighting mangas. And each arc was treated as well defined, confined stories, with a set-up, characterization, conflict, stake escalation, external intervention and denouement. In other words, had the author of Nanoha treated Vivid as an arc based story where each arc was written according to the constraints of writing for a single anime season of one cour, then Vivid probably would have been better told.

What we get instead is the ball of mysteries called Einhart Stratos dropped quite hard, Corona's story (which was actually well done and sold Corona as more than a background character for me) introduced out of no-where, the introduction of Sieglinde Eremiah passing around like a drive by shooting of a character you could see could be very, very compelling if given proper focus and so on. Speaking of which, Lutecia Alpine's role in Vivid was also guilty of the Drive-by shooting treatment.

That being said, once the author committed himself to take the Nanoha-verse into the civilian setting and out of the military setting; it limited both the level of conflict escalation that could be had with his worldbuilding rules previously, as well as the stakes of the plot (which are slice of life levels of low). Not to mention the highest level of conflict escalation in the anime itself is Corona pushing herself against Einhart, which isn't actually the climax of the manga escalation for the "tournament arc", so the pacing issues really show up when the Vivid manga is adapted into anime.

Now, Vivid could have worked with its civilian premise, had the author more imagination about Mid-Childan society than simply replicating some version of Japan. A slice of life show in a different culture would have been fascinating, but scratch the surface of AR intelligence devices and magical battles, and you get a standard slice of life beneath it. Which is a shame. That being said, I do think Vivid Strike is a rectification of sorts, because we finally realize what kinds of people can potentially emerge in a society where magical talent is very much innate on some levels, and inheritable.

It makes me wonder how different Vivid would have been, had Vivio been a cadet in a TSAB military school that held some of the most promising mage cadets in Mid-Childa between the ages of 10-15. I fear however, that such a premise would be criticized as an unimaginative replication of Strikers S, even if we did get more beam-spam and life or death stakes. But it would have made it easier to explore some themes in Vivid that were raised and then ignored - such as Vivio's wish to be able to stand besides Nanoha, or Einhart's quest for strength - strength to protect her world where her ancestor failed to protect his. Or the realization Einhart made when she was told about what it means to protect others by putting your life in the line, when she saw the TSAB members train in Lutecia's resort.

[RDNexus]

I also had this memory of Midchilda being more futurstic-like than what has been shown on ViVid and ViVid Strike... But, since my memory is far from great... :p
And, yep, both series' premise seems more soft than Nanoha's incidents. Makes me miss the franchise's original settings...

This episode sure was quite the blow. It all came crashing down at the exact same time. And that bloody ending... ouch. But they sure did deserve it.

[FlameSparkZ]

I also had this memory of Midchilda being more futurstic-like than what has been shown on ViVid and ViVid Strike... But, since my memory is far from great... :p
And, yep, both series' premise seems more soft than Nanoha's incidents. Makes me miss the franchise's original settings...

This episode sure was quite the blow. It all came crashing down at the exact same time. And that bloody ending... ouch. But they sure did deserve it.
Chances are that the Capital (Cranagan, shown in StrikerS) might be the most futuristic place in Midchilda...and even that city had convenient deserted areas for the fights :heh:

And let's not forget the Belkan Self-Governed Area, which IIRC is also in Midchilda. So it's safe to say that some areas are more developed than others.

[RDNexus]

May be so, it's been years since last I've seen StrikerS :heh:

[FlareKnight]

Nothing seems too strange from what I remember of StrikerS. They were still driving cars in that show (Fate had a nice one), using helicopters, and living in relatively normal looking buildings. Even got to see a brief school scene at the end with Vivio. They do have some crazy stuff like space ships, but can understand the creators wanting to use what they can from modern times. A lot easier to mostly copy our society than try to imagine and draw a futuristic society.

[RDNexus]

Laziness at it's best...
And here I am trying to work on a futuristic-looking society for my novel series.

So saddening...

[FlareKnight]

Laziness at it's best...
And here I am trying to work on a futuristic-looking society for my novel series.

So saddening...
Good for you?

Some people care more about the setting above everything else. Some people want to tell a good story and focus on the characters first. A different world doesn't require a radically different society. The magic and technology they gained on Midchilda specifically may have simply allowed their society to stabilize. A lot of that tech and power is out of the reach of the regular individual so it wouldn't change their lives dramatically if some people are acting as space cops. A lot of stories get too caught up in trying to be futuristic or different and lose focus on what the story itself is supposed to be. Kids still need to go to school so they'll still go to school. You still need people to produce and purchase products. There is future tech in these episodes, but not beyond what the society actually needs to function. I think a society that went through the kind of history that Mid has gone through would seek as much stability as it could get.

Not sure I'd call that lazy.

[RDNexus]

And isn't it possible to focus on all fronts? Does one side have to suffer for the others?
A good story would have a good setting, good characters and good plot. Is it wrong?

[vic-vic]

Well, actually Mid-Childa are lucky too look like that, considering that less than centry ago the Dimensional Sea was racked by a cataclysmic war, where WMD and powerful spells were used indiscriminatelly. Just think about 1st and 2nd Succession Wars from the Battletech.

[FlameSparkZ]

Well, actually Mid-Childa are lucky too look like that, considering that less than centry ago the Dimensional Sea was racked by a cataclysmic war, where WMD and powerful spells were used indiscriminatelly. Just think about 1st and 2nd Succession Wars from the Battletech.
And let's not forget what happened to Al-Hazard and Belka :rolleyes:
One became so advanced that it destroyed itself through unknown means, the other had genetically modified kings fighting over supremacy, which ended up destroying their world...leaving only a handful of survivors.

Midchilda almost went down the same road, but managed to avoid it...and is now maintaining its status quo as a stable society using clean energy (magic).

[DKN117]

I'm really wondering if Fuuka even can reach out to what Rinne has become now. It's like she's become a completely different person - to Fuuka, it must be like the 'Rinne' she knew is dead and gone.

...And since I've been listening to some of my music while reading up on this stuff, now I'm thinking of Disturbed's "Who (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7n9e3rtxj0)" as fitting for a 'message' from Fuu to Rin...

[Rising Dragon]

Oh, there's already a method for Fuuka to get through to her. It worked well enough for Vivio, after all.

[CrowKenobi]

The latest tangent has been moved to the faniction thread (https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=5969466#post5969466) where it's a little more on-topic than here. :)

[RDNexus]

Thanks, I didn't know there was such a topic :)

[Anh_Minh]

I'm really wondering if Fuuka even can reach out to what Rinne has become now. It's like she's become a completely different person - to Fuuka, it must be like the 'Rinne' she knew is dead and gone.

Eh, nothing a good befriending can't solve. Well, maybe two befriendings - her coach's a bad influence.



That being said, once the author committed himself to take the Nanoha-verse into the civilian setting and out of the military setting; it limited both the level of conflict escalation that could be had with his worldbuilding rules previously, as well as the stakes of the plot (which are slice of life levels of low).
Yes, that's what I'd consider an unsolvable problem for Vivid. Nanoha started with magical girls fighting for things that mattered. Even if it was just to keep Jewel Seeds from being dangerous. So seeing little girls fight for nothing more than fun and pride was always going to be underwhelming. And hearing Einhart lament the lack of need for her strength was just jarring.

Not to mention the highest level of conflict escalation in the anime itself is Corona pushing herself against Einhart, which isn't actually the climax of the manga escalation for the "tournament arc", so the pacing issues really show up when the Vivid manga is adapted into anime.

Now, Vivid could have worked with its civilian premise, had the author more imagination about Mid-Childan society than simply replicating some version of Japan. A slice of life show in a different culture would have been fascinating, but scratch the surface of AR intelligence devices and magical battles, and you get a standard slice of life beneath it.

I agree. It could have been nice. Even without fighting.

[TYxTxYT]

Well, actually Mid-Childa are lucky too look like that, considering that less than centry ago the Dimensional Sea was racked by a cataclysmic war, where WMD and powerful spells were used indiscriminatelly. Just think about 1st and 2nd Succession Wars from the Battletech.

Nukes, nukes everywhere.

[novalysis]

Nukes, nukes everywhere.

The idea that a mere century passed between the Saint Kaiser time and the present time of the Nanohaverse feels absolutely strange to me. How is it in just a century, there is uncertainty whether Claus Ingvalt and Olive lived in the same time?

Unless of course, the confusion arises because one of Einhart's later ancestors and Claus descendant inherited Claus memories, and much of his personality, and was prominent in the foundation of the TSAB itself and securing the loyalty of Belkans to the new TSAB pseudo-republican state. If that's the case, that hypothetical "later" Claus II could have been confused with the first Claus who knew Olive personally.

Or perhaps the Brains have been deliberately tampering with historical records.....

Because if the Brains are the founders of the TSAB, then they were likely at least children if not fully adults during the time of Olive and Claus prominence in Dimensional History, if a mere 20 years elapses between the death of Olive and the foundation of the TSAB. At this rate, this feels as if this is heading to a "Claus is actually one of the high council brains" theory, except that according to Einhart, Claus did not long survive the death of Olive.

Also, the one century separates Olive from Vivio idea makes the flashbacks of Vivid where melee weapons and crossbows were used look ridiculous, and infact, contradictory to world building in earlier seasons where we are told that mass based weaponry in the Belkan wars was why Mass based weaponry is taboo in the TSAB civilization.

Edit: Found the quote that led to the one century idea. It's in the Nanoha Vivid manga, chapter 6, page 13. There, Einhart mentions "the hundred year regret is pent up inside of me." Unless there was a mis-translation of "the hundreds of years of regret" into "the hundred year regret", this seems to confirm Olive predates the TSAB by a mere 20 years.

I won't be surprise that Vivid Strike might be a soft-reset, because 7arcs writers realized that Vivid dug a problematic hole into the world-building of the Nanoha-verse and decided to shift the franchise over to a new protagonist to start on a fresher slate.

[vic-vic]

To be fair, it's Vivid-manga artist/co-author Fukima Takuya's fault. Since his show of the ancient belka contradict not only Strikers but also Force. So, I think 7Arcs just call it an imprefect genetic memory/flawed record

[Random Wanderer]

The idea that a mere century passed between the Saint Kaiser time and the present time of the Nanohaverse feels absolutely strange to me. How is it in just a century, there is uncertainty whether Claus Ingvalt and Olive lived in the same time?

Unless of course, the confusion arises because one of Einhart's later ancestors and Claus descendant inherited Claus memories, and much of his personality, and was prominent in the foundation of the TSAB itself and securing the loyalty of Belkans to the new TSAB pseudo-republican state. If that's the case, that hypothetical "later" Claus II could have been confused with the first Claus who knew Olive personally.

Or perhaps the Brains have been deliberately tampering with historical records.....

Because if the Brains are the founders of the TSAB, then they were likely at least children if not fully adults during the time of Olive and Claus prominence in Dimensional History, if a mere 20 years elapses between the death of Olive and the foundation of the TSAB. At this rate, this feels as if this is heading to a "Claus is actually one of the high council brains" theory, except that according to Einhart, Claus did not long survive the death of Olive.

Also, the one century separates Olive from Vivio idea makes the flashbacks of Vivid where melee weapons and crossbows were used look ridiculous, and infact, contradictory to world building in earlier seasons where we are told that mass based weaponry in the Belkan wars was why Mass based weaponry is taboo in the TSAB civilization.

Edit: Found the quote that led to the one century idea. It's in the Nanoha Vivid manga, chapter 6, page 13. There, Einhart mentions "the hundred year regret is pent up inside of me." Unless there was a mis-translation of "the hundreds of years of regret" into "the hundred year regret", this seems to confirm Olive predates the TSAB by a mere 20 years.

I won't be surprise that Vivid Strike might be a soft-reset, because 7arcs writers realized that Vivid dug a problematic hole into the world-building of the Nanoha-verse and decided to shift the franchise over to a new protagonist to start on a fresher slate.

And yet during the Einhart vs Corona match, Einhart describes countering Corona's automated body manipulation as a challenge continuing from a match 600 years ago. Even that seemed like a short time to me, but it's more believable than a mere 100 years.

[TYxTxYT]

To be fair, it's Vivid-manga artist/co-author Fukima Takuya's fault. Since his show of the ancient belka contradict not only Strikers but also Force. So, I think 7Arcs just call it an imprefect genetic memory/flawed record

I think Fukima only paint what he's told by Tsuzuki?

[FlameSparkZ]

And yet during the Einhart vs Corona match, Einhart describes countering Corona's automated body manipulation as a challenge continuing from a match 600 years ago. Even that seemed like a short time to me, but it's more believable than a mere 100 years.
Okay, that's odd...I thought the "Belka age" ended around 300 years before A's/StrikerS? :eyebrow:

[Rising Dragon]

We might want to find raws for that chapter and check the translation.

[Random Wanderer]

Okay, that's odd...I thought the "Belka age" ended around 300 years before A's/StrikerS? :eyebrow:

May I ask the source of that belief? I don't remember having a clear timeline on it, but it has been some years since I watched both A's and StrikerS, so I may have forgotten something. It's also possible I've missing some extraneous material somewhere.

[novalysis]

Okay, that's odd...I thought the "Belka age" ended around 300 years before A's/StrikerS? :eyebrow:

Are you sure you aren't drawing that figure from Fanon, for example, the (very well written fanfic) Game Theory?

[green-link94]

Are you sure you aren't drawing that figure from Fanon, for example, the (very well written fanfic) Game Theory?

He isn't Olivie is stated to have died 300 years ago in strikers and the TSAB is also mentioned as having been created 150 years ago by Fate.

[FlameSparkZ]

Are you sure you aren't drawing that figure from Fanon, for example, the (very well written fanfic) Game Theory?
Never heard of it :heh::heh:

He isn't Olivie is stated to have died 300 years ago in strikers and the TSAB is also mentioned as having been created 150 years ago by Fate.
Information on the nanowiki also says that Midchilda became the new ruling power after Belka fell.

Basically...Fall of Belka>Rise of Midchilda>TSAB established+Ban of mass-based weapons.

A timeline can be made, even if a bit vague :uhoh:

[RDNexus]

ViVid Anime has a Twitter account, right?
Couldn't someone try to pose that question to the creators?
Or even to the main author of the franchise or something?

[Aetherdraw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CSzbt39-24

We get to hear Ixpellia talk for the first time, and the first match seems to be Miura's.

[FlameSparkZ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CSzbt39-24

We get to hear Ixpellia talk for the first time, and the first match seems to be Miura's.
In the anime, yes. But those that listened to SSX have already heard Ixpellia's voice :rolleyes:

[Gx Hero]

I think they meant in the anime and not a sound stage. Otherwise yeah your right.

[RDNexus]

Is this week's episode delayed or something?

[Nachtwandler]

Is this week's episode delayed or something?

No. For some reason Amazon airs eps 1 day late starting from ep. 5. In Japan it airs normally.

[RDNexus]

Guess, now, with an official subbed release, other groups will back off... At least, the speedy ones...

[Nachtwandler]

But official subs were available from the start (although legally in UK only).

[RDNexus]

Oh, is that so? Now that you mentioned it, I think I read about it somewhere... :upset:

[DKN117]

OFFICIAL subs???!

[Random Wanderer]

OFFICIAL subs???!

Only on Amazon UK. No good if you don't live over there.

[APNki]

It's coming to the USA side of Amazon prime, they just don't know when: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-10-27/amazon-u.s-confirms-streaming-of-great-passage-vivid-strike-chi-sweet-adventure-anime/.108152

[Gx Hero]

That is great news.


anyway what is every one's opinion of the show so far since we are pretty much half way through

[Nachtwandler]

I personally like that they took the general idea from Vivid but made it in more serious tone like previous seasons.

[Gx Hero]

Won't argue with you there.

[tuckersister]

Fuka's Kaiser Art and fighting style will slowly differentiate from Einhard's. Fuka may incorporate other strikers' techniques in to hers. Fuka may learn a few things from Sieg. Fuka definitely face off with her master Einhard in the semifinals, hence why Fuka need to find a way to use her Kaiser Art differently than her master.

Looking forward in seeing the rest of Rinne VS Vivio match. I wonder about the three other matches.

[Gx Hero]

Not sure about facing off with einhart, or at least it being anything but a quick match.

THough I would have liked this season to be more of Fuuka technique evolving in her fights as she goes for the top to fight her childhood friend with parts of RInne's past leaking or exposed before the match. Ending with the last match being Kuuka vs einheard. who knows there could be a second season, some how.

[tuckersister]

Would like a second season.

[Jimmy C]

Pretty much all discussion on ep8 hinges on the outcome of the match, so

Vivio, by 10-hit combo in under the last 60 seconds of the match. After Rinne had knocked her flat with several damaging strikes and injured her left leg.

What's amusing is, despite being the winner, Vivio was carried to the hospital on a stretcher, while Rinne, despite losing, was walking within minutes of leaving the ring.

What's interesting is that Jill said this was the last chance for Rinne to claim a victory... at least under Jill's coaching. About the least worst possibility I can think of is Jill hasn't been able to deliver results despite her confidence in her philosophy. As a result, she could be on her last legs of sponsorship money. With this defeat, Frontier Gym may be looking at going out of business.

There was also Rinne's thoughts as she was raining down on Vivio, "she has great parents, goes to a good school, has great friends, it's a great place to grow, why does she still fight? Why doesn't she give up already?"

Yet, Rinne herself has most of that too, despite the rough patch a few years back. She should try to appreciate what she has more.

On non-spoilery matters, you wanted to see Vivio's parents?
http://i.imgur.com/79b7aKn.jpg
If they're going that far, it really decreases the chances of their appearance in the show.

[TYxTxYT]

I must applaud Tsuzuki for his dedication to fuck the fanbase.
This man just pulled a Stalin style purge on Nanoha and Fate.
--
BTW, what happened to the new episode thread? It's rather late.

[Jimmy C]

English subs don't seem to be available yet, I used the Chinese subs, they probably think there's still time for it.

[novalysis]

I must applaud Tsuzuki for his dedication to fuck the fanbase.
This man just pulled a Stalin style purge on Nanoha and Fate.
--
BTW, what happened to the new episode thread? It's rather late.

But without the Nanoha fanbase, Vivid Strike is probably doomed to very small sales and commercial failure..... considering the sheer number of magical girl shows this season. Unless there's Stalker estimates predicting a large number of pre-orders for Vivid Strike just because it's in the Nanoha franchise. Vivid Strike needs the Nanoha fanbase to even commercially succeed.

I seriously doubt it's going to get a second season (it doesn't seem as if it's getting much attention), and I would be surprised if it sells over a thousand copies. But then again, I might be wrong.

[Nachtwandler]

Stop blaming Tsuzuki for every point you don't like. Nanohas exclusion is more probably either a producers decision or related to the fact that despite all small references creators want Vivid Strike to be watchable for people unfamiliar with Nanohavers, so they avoid everything that may arise bigger questions from someone who did not watch previous seasons.

I really don't get fans who hate every part after A's or every part there Nano-Fate duo don't play major role. I also have issues with Force but they are related to story structure and not to characters and I have no issues with other pars of main Nanoha storyline.

[Jimmy C]

Succeed or fail, I'm glad they're at least trying something new with the Mid-Childa setting. I hope the results will be encouraging enough for further exploration.

[MeoTwister5]

The Nanohaverse has a lot of story potential, especially the background organizations and histories that weren't particularly elaborated upon. Hell I STILL don't know the function of the Church and a lot of the illegal research, and I read enough of Force and Vivid before they bored me to death.

[TYxTxYT]

But without the Nanoha fanbase, Vivid Strike is probably doomed to very small sales and commercial failure..... considering the sheer number of magical girl shows this season. Unless there's Stalker estimates predicting a large number of pre-orders for Vivid Strike just because it's in the Nanoha franchise. Vivid Strike needs the Nanoha fanbase to even commercially succeed.

I seriously doubt it's going to get a second season (it doesn't seem as if it's getting much attention), and I would be surprised if it sells over a thousand copies. But then again, I might be wrong.

Maybe Tsuzuki doesn't care about commercial success?
I mean this is the dude that decided "well A's sold well? let's make them adults next time!", and then "StrikerS sold even better? let's put them into side characters and make new protagonists!"

Fuck Tsuzuki.

[TYxTxYT]

Stop blaming Tsuzuki for every point you don't like. Nanohas exclusion is more probably either a producers decision or related to the fact that despite all small references creators want Vivid Strike to be watchable for people unfamiliar with Nanohavers, so they avoid everything that may arise bigger questions from someone who did not watch previous seasons.

I really don't get fans who hate every part after A's or every part there Nano-Fate duo don't play major role. I also have issues with Force but they are related to story structure and not to characters and I have no issues with other pars of main Nanoha storyline.

He is literally the reason we are at this state right now.
Saying he is responsible is not "blaming", it's the truth.
Had Force not a manga but just straight up 4th season, it might have worked, who knows. But no, Nanohavese is too much for him to handle, all he wanted to do is his harem tournament show.

7arc is also working on Reflection which said will be airing next year, I find no reason for censoring Nanoha/Fate, unless they plan to censor them on the movie as well.

[Diluc]

The problem with Nanoha franchise is Tsuzuki expanded irrelevant materials while ignored the main sources. You guys can attack me for this but Striker should never happened, after A'S Tsuzuki should focus to expand Nanoha saga decently
what exactly purpose for Striker?
Introduced Vivio?
Made Nanoha x Fate as MILF couple?
Introduced a pairs of cyborg ladies?
Introduced Erio and Dragon girl?

what happened to the old casts now?
check.....
Chronos? who the hell is that
Yuuno? Isn't that the library guy?
Arf? where the hell is she now? Nanoha parent, everyone??

Tsuzuki wrap up their fates on their future fate on striker by side casted them away into being irrelevant side characters now. people who started vivid without watch the original would only know elite mobil 6 forces and Vivio friends. What a sad turned wheel fate for this series.

I had a high hope toward Vivid strike but it failed my expectation, i thought we would get a decent plot for Vivid series finally but no...is not.....it's just Original Vivid copy paste by introducing a new characters for MC for promotion.

[novalysis]

The Nanohaverse has a lot of story potential, especially the background organizations and histories that weren't particularly elaborated upon. Hell I STILL don't know the function of the Church and a lot of the illegal research, and I read enough of Force and Vivid before they bored me to death.

Vivid's big problem is that it's a perfect medium to explore civilian life in Mid-Childa, and hence had a potential to be a unique Slice of Life set in a different world and culture. Instead, what we got was a Lazy copy-paste of a cliche Japanese Slice of Life show meets sports manga, with abit of magic but every bit reflecting Japanese cultural norms. Compensation Money in Vivid Strike just makes Vivid stink even more about how Mid Childan culture is so... Japanese. That to me is the big disappointment in Vivid, even if I liked the Corona and Sieglinde arcs, and the portrayal Vivio's happy family life.

[Diluc]

Vivid's big problem is that it's a perfect medium to explore civilian life in Mid-Childa, and hence had a potential to be a unique Slice of Life set in a different world and culture. Instead, what we got was a Lazy copy-paste of a cliche Japanese Slice of Life show meets sports manga, with abit of magic but every bit reflecting Japanese cultural norms. Compensation Money in Vivid Strike just makes Vivid stink even more about how Mid Childan culture is so... Japanese. That to me is the big disappointment in Vivid, even if I liked the Corona and Sieglinde arcs, and the portrayal Vivio's happy family life.

This exactly represented my huge disappointment toward Vivid.

[RDNexus]

You can add me to that list. I kinda had the leftover idea that Mid-Childa was an advanced society, apart from what was seen on Earth.
But then came ViVid and this one and both reminded me of how much japanese-like this whole other world setting feels like :upset:

[TYxTxYT]

The problem with Nanoha franchise is Tsuzuki expanded irrelevant materials while ignored the main sources. You guys can attack me for this but Striker should never happened, after A'S Tsuzuki should focus to expand Nanoha saga decently
what exactly purpose for Striker?
Introduced Vivio?
Made Nanoha x Fate as MILF couple?
Introduced a pairs of cyborg ladies?
Introduced Erio and Dragon girl?

what happened to the old casts now?
check.....
Chronos? who the hell is that
Yuuno? Isn't that the library guy?
Arf? where the hell is she now? Nanoha parent, everyone??

Tsuzuki wrap up their fates on their future fate on striker by side casted them away into being irrelevant side characters now. people who started vivid without watch the original would only know elite mobil 6 forces and Vivio friends. What a sad turned wheel fate for this series.

I had a high hope toward Vivid strike but it failed my expectation, i thought we would get a decent plot for Vivid series finally but no...is not.....it's just Original Vivid copy paste by introducing a new characters for MC for promotion.

StrikerS is where the series really drills into me, some hated the military politics but I'm okay with it, and I loved the professionalism demonstrated, I loved idea of having magic girl grow up to become military officers.
I'm okay with sidelining all the earthlings, since that's basically what happens with life - when kids grow up, you find a job maybe in another city or country, move out of the house and only go back to visit when vacation or the circumstance permits you to.
I'm even okay with the villain mob wasn't "cool" per se, since not every realworld terrorist have a fleshed out character, but they still capable of doing great harm to the society.
Most of all, StrikerS is where Nanoha the person gets character development, which is absent past S1 Episode 3.

StrikerS by itself is okay, flawed, but still okay.

[Diluc]

StrikerS is where the series really drills into me, some hated the military politics but I'm okay with it, and I loved the professionalism demonstrated, I loved idea of having magic girl grow up to become military officers.
I'm okay with sidelining all the earthlings, since that's basically what happens with life - when kids grow up, you find a job maybe in another city or country, move out of the house and only go back to visit when vacation or the circumstance permits you to.
I'm even okay with the villain mob wasn't "cool" per se, since not every realworld terrorist have a fleshed out character, but they still capable of doing great harm to the society.
Most of all, StrikerS is where Nanoha the person gets character development, which is absent past S1 Episode 3.

StrikerS by itself is okay, flawed, but still okay.

The problem in striker was striker being foundation stone to mark Nanoha no protagonist anymore. Sure we get a character development for Nanoha but what else after that? Nanoha doesn't get any development anymore after striker she has fully matured as main character following her age and her role as mother.
From striker the expansion toward characters began, sadly the characters are irrelevant character to the original casts much annoying in next series Nanoha couldn't touch main protagonist position anymore and not even any old casts could get a decent screen time.
If Nanoha continued after "A"s" we could get:


A potential continual story to explore Al hazard with young Fate as our main focus also reveal her mother fate there.
A potential story for Nanoha decent development for how we see her grow properly become legendary white devil.
A better treatment for original casts fate instead sideaway woo into side characters in striker.
Hayate x Chrono, like seriously.....why the hell he married Amy if not because Tsuzuki wanted to achieve Hayate Lesbian Army title such of these heretic shouldn't happened. I never a hardcore yuri fans anyway. I could careless with Nanoha romance.
So many potential to explore after "A"s" mostly develop Nanoha and other chars decently.

However, although i said Striker shouldn't existed i wouldn't deny Striker was enjoyable series for me, ironically the last enjoyable in Nanoha series for rest forward is half-hearted taste for me. Vivid for most, i do put a positive thought for Force but the bad treatment toward Force (and now the suspended status) put force being stalemate now.

[Nachtwandler]

I will simply say "haters gonna hate" because mods will not allow any discussions here anyway.

[Diluc]

I will simply say "haters gonna hate" because mods will not allow any discussions here anyway.

Rather hate more like a rant. But i wouldn't entertain that further.

[TYxTxYT]

The problem in striker...

I give you on other points, however,
If you look back to S1, Chrono X Amy is pretty hinted.

[Gx Hero]

Personally I liked Strikers. I am not a fan of politics or the illegal research but he made it work. I respect Tsuzuki for trying to write a good story.

Vivid strike has a good story but how it is animated and how the scenes themselves are done leaves something to be desired. AN example from nanoha season 1, Fate didn't just take the jewel seed and leave but rather flattened nanoha leaving a strong impression on us the viewers. Also the conversations between Nanoha suzuka and arisa. With Fuuka everyone but nove and einhart feel like side items, fuuka really never talks with them, also how fuuka learned about and reacted to what happened to rinne was flat.

Hope I made sense and didn't rant too much.

[FlareKnight]

Personally I liked Strikers. I am not a fan of politics or the illegal research but he made it work. I respect Tsuzuki for trying to write a good story.

Vivid strike has a good story but how it is animated and how the scenes themselves are done leaves something to be desired. An example from nanoha season 1, Fate didn't just take the jewel seed and leave but rather flattened nanoha leaving a strong impression on us the viewers. Also the conversations between Nanoha suzuka and arisa. With Fuuka everyone but nove and einhart feel like side items, fuuka really never talks with them, also how fuuka learned about and reacted to what happened to rinne was flat.

Hope I made sense and didn't rant too much.
I think Vivid Strike has been doing fine in terms of leaving enough impact on the points that matter. The Rinne flashback had plenty of extremely powerful points. And it explores the problems that Rinne has a lot more than the original series did for Fate. It never deeply explored the physical and emotional abuse that Fate endured. And can't say I cared in how the show basically just had Fate forgive all of that and still reach out to Presea.

There are always pros and cons for how a show goes about things. It spent a lot of time here in terms of Rinne's backstory, developing Fuka's skills and giving enough attention to other characters. While comparatively Nanoha didn't focus to the same degree on Fate's situation or Nanoha developing her skills. The positive gained from that was a bit more time for Nanoha herself and her personal relationships. Suzuka and Arisa didn't remotely have the same amount of time spent on them as Vivio got in the latest episodes or Miura going into her fight. And between the two of them Arisa had more than Suzuka who basically had little presence or fleshing out. That time has to come from somewhere. Heck Chrono got basically no character moments in the original series. There was a cost there. A single cour is what it is, only so much screentime to pass around.

Comes down to what matters more to individuals. And I don't think Fuka's reaction was remotely flat. She simply handled it maturely. It is in line with her character when given time to process information to handle it calmly. And she's absolutely right. She can't do anything about what happened in the past and trying to take responsibility for it would be pointless. Focusing on what she can do in the present is rational and intelligent.

[Gx Hero]

I guess that is true. I rewatched all the episodes and wondered what I was thinking when I wrote that.

[novalysis]

The issue with Vivid and Vivid Strike has very rarely been about characterization - the gaps in Einhart's backstory notwithstanding. It's the disappointment revolving around world-building.

That being said, Vivid and Vivid Strike is the kind of series that lives and dies on making their characters sympathetic , likable and well developed, in part due to its' disappointing world-building. But this means that it's hard for Vivid to elevate itself above another good Slice of Life series with strong characterization.

[4th Dimension]

As someone who is relatively new to both the anime in general and the fandom I have to say I liked the StrikerS. It had loads of problems, but I liked that they were trying this new thing a military sci-fi using magic as cover for flashy fights. And that thing was something that I enjoyed, magic allows us to hand wave a lot of physics breaking stuff (although seeing Vice's helicopter made my head hurt every time) and at the same time it clearly has scientific rules (it's not based on bat's eyes and blood pacts and demons and other "edgy stuff") and the setting is sci-fiish which gives great opportunities to include whatever the writers want. And it had flashy aerial dogfights with loads of dodging and weaving where the fight was not decided purely on who screams stronger and whose beam will win in a beam on beam combat.

I also have the dissenting opinion that I enjoyed the first half until the annoying NUmbers show up a lot more than the later part. And that is where StrikerS failed for me. Sure the later fights were fun, but the opponents were not interesting simply because there was simply too bloody many of them and they had like 0 character development. Hell out of all of them (another I guess dissenting opinion) I kind of found most interesting Regius and at times Zest. The first one was a horrible politician but at the same time he was also human and a believable character that wanted to do good and was trying to the verry end but has also been clearly corrupted by cynicism of politics. Zest could be annoying with his persistance on stupid revenge but also had believable goals given his honor bound character.

As I said apart from above I am willing to give that StrikerS had loads of problems (character weak opponents, Nanoha and Fate stealing a lot of thunder from Subaru and Leana, them trying to cram too much lore and plot into too short a series to the point they had to offload the entire backstory of L&S and a lot of setup into manga, putting characters on a bus for no reason (Yuno and Arf) etc. etc. etc.) and was a mess, but for me it was a bit of an endearing mess. And I also understand people who wanted a more regular magical girl plot as in As set on Earth because that was what the franchise was about up till then and As was excellent. But considering the ending of As that pretty much showed them practically preparing to move to Midchilda I don't know if more adventures of school going crew on Earth could have been arranged. Or maybe that ending was later tacked on in later releases I don't know.

Still there are loads of other magical girl shows, and considering that the technical number for their number is shitton, there are probably quite a few that are also excellent. So the change here was not as much of a loss and it allowed us to see something I have yet to see anywhere else.
In fact I used to consider the changes in focus and plot between seasons a big plus of the series since it kept things fresh. But that fell into water once releases ran dry.

Greeeeeaaaatt. I made a long ass offtopic rant as my second post. Real cool 4th Dimension. If we have and there is a need I'm willing to move this to a StrikerS toppic?

Anyway back to the Vivid: Strike.

So far I have mixed feelings. And I should be able to distill those feelings into a single sentence description of the show. It's a "ViVid show done by the Force people/ideas". I say people/ideas since for the long time I thought Force and Vivid were being made by two different teams given the large differences in their tones, art style, story and characters. So it's a fighting tournament type of thing that because it's a fistfight competition eliminates most of the magic as if it's ashamed of it for some reason?!? while ramping up the elements of darkness and violence a la Force. And it's good that they did the second since otherwise it would have simply been a bland Vivid knockoff with uninteresting fights.

But the addition of dark Rinne's background for whom the adoption and new family failed catastrophically through no fault of hers or her adoptive parents is an interesting alternate take on Fate and Einheart. Maybe Einhart could have become Rinne, cold aloof and seemingly ruthless had she come under Jill's paws? Basically it's something new to watch in the familiar setting.

Or is it a familiar setting? Along with a much greater focus on physical injuries (seriously don't they use the Crash Emulator?) as I said they have nearly completely eliminated the visible magic from the setting, leaving the fighs to seemingly be pure competitions of strength and bloodletting. Oh sure there is lip service given to how they still use intelligent devices for protection but in practice these are pure bland fistfights, with the deliberate changes in rules and age limits to eliminate anyone with interesting fight style, which for some reason keep not using the Crash Emulator. Seriosly in Vivid there were like two instances of combaters getting seriously hurt where Sig did not participate and both were practically self inflicted and Sig is an abnormality. Yet here we have Rinne regularly hospitalizing her opponents.
Another thing about blandness is the fact that in past 8 episodes this was the first episode where Rinne did not stupidly dominate the fight and where the competitors had actually interesting and opposing styles. They were still a bit bland since again only fistfighting, but they were different and interesting to watch. This all is not helped by the fact that Fuka is not doing her own thing but is being trained in the same style as Einhearth. Which for some reason she will be able to master in a couple of months?

Add to that the fact that while Rinne's background is interesting and I understand how she got where she is now she is cold gray and kind of dull on screen. She doesn't need "befriending" via copious application of firepower, in fact as we will probably see defeating her will pull the supports from below her by removing her coping mechanism and if no one is there to catch her and talk to her she is going to get even more depressed and angry.
Basically the last thing she needed post her bullying trauma was to train for martial arts competitions. She needed some good therapy.

What I fear now is that the organizers are going to pull some sort of stupid rule from out of their ass that would allow Rinne to continue to fight. Which would be stupid, since Rinne was clearly eliminated.

[Jimmy C]

You know, once, the Nanoha franchise had the reputation of not wasting time reusing the transformation sequences. But, in Vivid Strike, there have been transformations in 6 of the 9 currently aired episodes, half of them have been repeats, multiple repeats, even.
It's a bad sign. It means, for at least three of those episodes, they had nothing else to show for over a minute.
Now, all they need is "stock" attack sequences and they'll be just like any other show out there.

[4th Dimension]

To ne fair before Vivid it was only 2/3 that were fanservice/ttansformation light. The original had the SAME extended transformation in EACH episode.
On the other hand fanservice was back since Vivid and while this is Force like in terms of plot and themes, it does use Vivid artstyle. To be fair to Strike, when compared to Vivid, it's considerably tamer, except for the fact that the bust sizes have grown to ridiculous degree and "jiggle" physics was added *groan*.