To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 16 Discussion / Poll

[Kairin]

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Release Date: August 10, 2016

This time an (ojou-sama) school's full student body is mobilized? Protect the sanctuary from Element!

Three days have passed since Kamisato Kakeru disappeared.

Kamijou has moved onto the next battle, but there he finds Tokiwadai Middle School (Heaven) filled with Shokuhou Misaki, Misaka Mikoto, and other ojou-samas in swimsuits?

It is winter. It is December in Academy City, and yet the temperature is above 50 degrees. As the unexplained heat wave brings Academy City's infrastructure to a halt, an unpredictable threat arrives.

Element.

They are bizarre monsters that crawl through the scorching hell. They prefer darkness and violently attack student after student during Academy City's blackout. With the only right hand that can oppose them, Kamijou gets help from Fukiyose and Index to reach the scene of the battle, but he is outnumbered. And in that crisis, a girl surrounded by a bizarre machine known as the Anti-Art Attachment appears?

As Shokuhou Misaki leads the ojou-sama school's full student body, Kamijou approaches the identity of the mastermind behind the heat wave and Element!

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[DragonXX]

The first bit of the preview is in english now and it seen that as long as Touma can touch it, it will be kill.

Touma also said something about this being outside the normal timeline, like seeing your life before your eye before you die but I think this 100% what happening now and there not in there normal timeline.

So it could be that Touma really is in a different timeline. But how he get there will be the question?

Also this whole prolodge sound like something from after The End of the World and they are fighting as the last of the human which evil monsters ruling the world.

How did everything go to Hell in one day because last we left off in NT15 we were on Dec.6 by it end.

Also does this mean we are getting timeline jumping and travel now?

Also how the Hell are people on the science side going to talk about Element because at this point anyone can see this is not science anymore.

What the Hell happen?

Last thing we saw in NT15 is that Crowley was going to start moving but now all order of AC have fell a part in one day. Isn't this Chaos enough that Crowley should do something to put a stop to it.

[Last_Aeon]

The first bit of the preview is in english now and it seen that as long as Touma can touch it, it will be kill.

Touma also said something about this being outside the normal timeline, like seeing your life before your eye before you die but I think this 100% what happening now and there not in there normal timeline.

So it could be that Touma really is in a different timeline. But how he get there will be the question?

Also this whole prolodge sound like something from after The End of the World and they are fighting as the last of the human which evil monsters ruling the world.

How did everything go to Hell in one day because last we left off in NT15 we were on Dec.6 by it end.

Also does this mean we are getting timeline jumping and travel now?

Also how the Hell are people on the science side going to talk about Element because at this point anyone can see this is not science anymore.

What the Hell happen?

Last thing we saw in NT15 is that Crowley was going to start moving but now all order of AC have fell a part in one day. Isn't this Chaos enough that Crowley should do something to put a stop to it.

To be answered at NT 16!!! Coming soon. But srsly? WTH is going on!!!!!

[Requiem-x]

:twitch::twitch::twitch:

Well... *insert profanity of choice here* :heh:

Good to know Kamachi is making us wait less and less to get to the core of the issue. Seriously. But wow, this is a new record. And wow, what the hell? :twitch: The summary made it sound like your average Index incident, almost SS material, but this is some serious crap. Like, AC is already more damaged by this than anything that has come before, even Vento. And this IS magic, so is it Laura pulling out the big guns at last?

This is going to be one hell of a volume :twitch:

Oh, and I wouldn't think too much about Touma's last lines in the prologue, though I would appreciate a flashback, because seriously, saying this escalated quickly is putting it mildly.

[Keila]

Prior to this event, do Touma's classmates actually know about imagine breaker?

I mean, his class is full of level zero's (effectively powerless), how did it get to the stage where he has to confront the threat head on while his class provides 'covering fire'? Was he the sacrificial penguin that had to jump into the water first or did some other crazy event happen.

[Wandering Soul]

So apparently the Elements have multiple levels, can shift levels, can have their attacks negated by IB, and can use a element when they fight.

Definitely need a flashback as to how things got like this.

[entei08]

Moved to actual thread


Also does this mean we are getting timeline jumping and travel now.

Also how the Hell are people on the science side going to talk about Element because at this point anyone can see this is not science anymore.

What the Hell happen?

Last thing we saw in NT15 is that Crowley was going to start moving but now all order of AC have fell a part in one day. Isn't this Chaos enough that Crowley should do something to put a stop to it.

The timeline jumping thing is most likely Touma waking up in a hospital, judging from the second illustration. He was out for three days, the prologue is just a dream/flashback.

They can always just chalk it up to external ESP organizations attacking AC, just like how they justified Vento's attack. Archetype Controller has a real handle on things. Don't forget it basically means Alesiter can define science however he wants.

Pretty sure some people have made the connection but I just forgot who it was, but could the Element monsters be coming from the Imaginary Number District? Seeing how IB can destroy them outright, they can also appear and disappear like Kazakiri. There should be a reason Five Elements Institution was tagged on the end of Imaginary Number District after all.

If this prediction is correct, then the monsters are let out by Aleister himself.

[Marcus H.]

So why is he acting so self-destructive then? Remember that he dove through the realm of the Magic Gods and made a slaughter that cost him burns throughout his body, then he apparently took sides when AAA fell in the hands of Mikoto.

Is this a tantrum performed by someone who doesn't want to be as perfect as the Magic Gods?

No wonder why Laura has decided to just watch. Aleister is capable of destroying the Science Side on his own.

[Last_Aeon]

Once again, Kamachi's plot twist has defeated mine by a huge margin. I'm losing my ego here...

Still, that reason for writing about girls in bikini is the most unique premise I've ever seen.

[Ladiusman]

Haven't been around these parts lately, but man, this is some Twlight Zone shit, as this pretty much the plot of " The Midnight Sun". Though the whole heatwave thing turned out to be a dream at the end...only to reveal that the "real world" is entering a just as bad ice age. In that case, I wonder...

[LazyHunter]

I didn't expect the novel to start in the middle of the incident like this. The heatwave is worse than I thought. Pretty much every group in Academy City is on its own, and the ground is filled with the monster called Elements, who come in various shapes and sizes and even have powers.

[The One Above God]

Okay, what the hell was that? I was expecting some gag-filled beginning and what I got was a high tension start that further escalated when the wire snapped. I can't wait to see how everything turned to shit just like that.
Also hoping for some Fukiyose development.

[Last_Aeon]

Okay, what the hell was that? I was expecting some gag-filled beginning and what I got was a high tension start that further escalated when the wire snapped. I can't wait to see how everything turned to shit just like that.
Also hoping for some Fukiyose development.

I am sorry, sensei. I have failed to defeat Kamachi's twist.

Jokes aside, what if these mantis are aliens who are angry at Othinus for destroying their universe. Maybe they're the Anti-Spiral race lol.

[DragonXX]

The preview is now done in english.

We have not even get to Tokiwadai yet and we are on pg 81. I want to know how Touma will get to Tokiwadai. Will it happen after the current event which the water is solve or will Touma be tooking to Tokiwadai after something go wrong which this plan to get mud.

Touma is worry about Mikoto is funny because she is a electromaster which mean she alone can power all the things that need power. If anything Tokiwadai is most likey the place least like post-apocalyptic world because AC would most likey be doing what ever they can to keep Tokiwadai and School Garden safe well everywhere else will be post-apocalyptic. If anything most likey they will be attack by the people of AC that are left to die in the heat and to the Element.

I still want to know where pg 31-39 is in the preview because we went to pg 40 right after pg 30?
We are already about 1/5 of the way done the book by pg 81. Which a preview this big, it make me think that this will be a 2-parter or 3-parter.

Touma really does not like Kamisato because the first person he think of in causing this problem is Kamisato.

[Requiem-x]

Touma is worry about Mikoto is funny because she is a electromaster which mean she alone can power all the things that need power. If anything Tokiwadai is most likey the place least like post-apocalyptic world because AC would most likey be doing what ever they can to keep Tokiwadai and School Garden safe well everywhere else will be post-apocalyptic. If anything most likey they will be attack by the people of AC that are left to die in the heat and to the Element.

To be fair, such heat is straight up ruining electronics, and Mikoto's powers can't help with that. She's also in a swimsuit for a reason, and it ain't just service.

Touma really does not like Kamisato because the first person he think of in causing this problem is Kamisato.

He did try to kill him last volume :heh: Sure, we know he's trying to get his hand back from Yuiitsu, but Touma doesn't know that. That said, can he even move with this heat, even with the haremettes helping? Maybe Salome could, since most of her body is artificial.

[entei08]

I'm still not sure if Salome got retrieved by Kamisato, I was sure Touma will pick her up and we can get some Mimir gag going between her and Othinus, maybe she can move as a head like Disk in Needless.

Othinus taking care of Sphinx is gold.

[LazyHunter]

Nice to see more scenes with Fukiyose and Kumokawa. People are already getting a bit desperate, so Mie's plan might be the best choice to get the school to accept Touma and his school. Index & Othinus' scene was cute. It's also good to see that the Jumpy Bunny is okay.

[The One Above God]

I'm liking the moments with Fukiyose. Too bad there probably won't be much more since Touma would have to go out on a mission that I'd assume won't go very smoothly. Also, I like how it feels tense, to me at least, even during banters. Really drives in the idea that things have gone to shit.

Othinus becoming Sphyx's caretaker is kinda cute. She's finally on top of the beast but not in the way she wants :heh:. Her wearing a bikini feels weird though considering she's always practically naked. Shouldn't she just stay in her normal attire minus the cape?

Btw, Akikawa Mie as the shadow leader confirmed :heh:.

[Keila]

Seems like Kamijou discovered something about Kumokawa senpai

[Last_Aeon]

You don't think this book is actually super long.

[itine]

August 9, 2016 at 20:35 JST
Now we have 2 pic & 5 text spoilers from Chinese site

http://goo.gl/w7rgZ1

[runset]

August 9, 2016 at 20:35 JST
Now we have 2 pic & 5 text spoilers from Chinese site

http://goo.gl/w7rgZ1

Just saw the spoiler in 4chan. Yuitsu...you have gone too far this time.
He has been erased by yuitsu. Yuitsu giving hope to all kamisato harem by stating that if she has this right hand it may be possible to bring back kamisato kakeru to this world again in the future. With the development of technology and science it may be possible to bring back their loved one and then yuitsu proceed to order them to kill kamijou touma. What follow after that is a scene of hell where all of the girl started to do what yuitsu want even salome while gritting her teeth started to attack touma. What they're doing is wrong but touma understand if there still a hope left, they will do what they can to save kamisato kakeru

[LevelSeven]

Just saw the spoiler in 4chan. Yuitsu...you have gone too far this time.
He has been erased by yuitsu. Yuitsu giving hope to all kamisato harem by stating that if she has this right hand it may be possible to bring back kamisato kakeru to this world again in the future. With the development of technology and science it may be possible to bring back their loved one and then yuitsu proceed to order them to kill kamijou touma. What follow after that is a scene of hell where all of the girl started to do what yuitsu want even salome while gritting her teeth started to attack touma. What they're doing is wrong but touma understand if there still a hope left, they will do what they can to save kamisato kakeru

are you serious?
WOW! someone in toaru actually understood the concept of hostages :bow:
this is how a person who will offer "anything and everything for the sake of their goal" should act :eyespin:

but that, of course, only if the spoilers are real :/

[runset]

are you serious?
WOW! someone in toaru actually understood the concept of hostages :bow:
this is how a person who will offer "anything and everything for the sake of their goal" should act :eyespin:

but that, of course, only if the spoilers are real :/

Looks like it's real. Because i can read moon rune and the text picture that i read containYuitsu asking salome that is it fine to mince her. If salome do it will make her lost the "one key" to save kamisato kakeru. Salome can kill her now but it will be her faullt if the key to save her brother lost in the process. which mean she herself will be responsible of killing her loved one. and [aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa] salome started to scream
Yuitsu then said to everyone to pay attention to her, If they didn't want to gave up on kamisato kakeru, they musn't defy her the one who hold the key to save him.

[Marcus H.]

Looks like it's going to be tons of rematches next volume. Yuiitsu against Mikoto, and Touma etc. against the Kamisato Harem.

[LevelSeven]

Looks like it's real. Because i can read moon rune and the text picture that i read containYuitsu asking salome that is it fine to mince her. If salome do it will make her lost the "one key" to save kamisato kakeru. Salome can kill her now but it will be her faullt if the key to save her brother lost in the process. which mean she herself will be responsible of killing her loved one. and [aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa] salome started to scream
Yuitsu then said to everyone to pay attention to her, If they didn't want to gave up on kamisato kakeru, they musn't defy her the one who hold the key to save him.

cool, a person in toaru finally learned to use hostages to get people into doing what they want :eyespin:

^i wouldnt be so sure, mikoto vs yuuitsu...maybe but i think it will be mikoto+touma vs yuuitsu, kind of like kakine+touma(+plot forced power up of fremea) vs rensa,
or the harem will be handled by mikoto and touma against yuuitsu (or a group of "being near luckily" chars show up and help kind of like in NT7)

but i wonder why yuitsu isnt simply capturing people close to touma? she surely has the capability to find the house of his family, taking them as hostage (even if it doesnt work via WR, she can still capture them old fashioned style) would make it his loss guaranteed :/

[itine]

Seem 'all?' Illustrations with rough text Spoilers of NT16 is now completed.
Collects from ghosts archive threads (http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/145427372) & some said the source is coming from 2ch, (http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/movie/6947/1460302364/l50) but my oppinion easier look from Chinese sites. (http://goo.gl/K9stN3)
Rough Text Spoilers full credit to 4chan person name : Stiyl Magnus

https://imgur.com/a/8zF89

;) I hope I didn't break Karin rules? :confused:

[bakato]

You understand what this means don't you? If Kamachi plans on bringing Kamisato back then that means there's hope for the magic gods too.

[DragonXX]

You understand what this means don't you? If Kamachi plans on bringing Kamisato back then that means there's hope for the magic gods too.

That if he is thinking about bringing Kamisato back because I don't think no matter how far science go there no way to bring him back through science because that is far more like God like power and we know Yuuistu plan on destorying AC for revenge for her senpai death and I don't think that will change in one book. She just using a hope that could never come true. It more likey that Kamisato himself will find away back if he come back and if there a chance that Kamisato could come back Crowley would most likey try to destory WR or seal it away because I don't think that Crowley would not want a chance of the Magic Gods coming back now that Nouken is gone.

I have a question how did Touma get out of not getting kill off by Kamisato Group after Yuiitsu get then to try and kill Touma which the hope that Kamisato could come back?

[mark1246]

Once we finish NT16 , and if Kamachi plays his card right we might we NT17 by December which freaking parallel the end or middle of December in the toaru time line right now, hope the leaks that misaka doesn't get that much screen time is fake

[Last_Aeon]

Hmmm... Lets see, When has spoilers ever been true...
"INDEX BECAME MAGIC GOD TO REVIVE TOUMA"
"TOUMA DIES"
nope.

[Ladiusman]

Once we finish NT16 , and if Kamachi plays his card right we might we NT17 by December which freaking parallel the end or middle of December in the toaru time line right now, hope the leaks that misaka doesn't get that much screen time is fake

Man...that actually sounds plausible! Back in April, we got NT15, and then NT16 came four months after that. And considering how NT16 ends, from what I'm hearing, fans are gonna want the next volume asap. :heh:

[tsunade666]

Seem 'all?' Illustrations with rough text Spoilers of NT16 is now completed.
Collects from ghosts archive threads (http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/145427372) & some said the source is coming from 2ch, (http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/movie/6947/1460302364/l50) but my oppinion easier look from Chinese sites. (http://goo.gl/K9stN3)
Rough Text Spoilers full credit to 4chan person name : Stiyl Magnus

https://imgur.com/a/8zF89

;) I hope I didn't break Karin rules? :confused:

thanks for this.

hmm..... as usual. when kihara was involved. it turn into something worth reading. But still. not enough. there is much more easier way to deal with the threats but they still go with the hard ones.

but then again, that insane kihara wants revenge against him and his probably doing this to torment more the girls that are associating with him.

good.

[BladeMancer]

I'm back! This volume sounds like something special, I can't wait!

[runset]

Reading the afterword spoiler. So many blury word but at least i understand what kamachi want to say.
So this is how you're going to play kamachi. Well played, kamachi. Well played indeed.

[BladeMancer]

Hey guys, no spoilers or anything but how good was this volume?

[DragonXX]

Reading the afterword spoiler. So many blury word but at least i understand what kamachi want to say.
So this is how you're going to play kamachi. Well played, kamachi. Well played indeed.

What is Kamachi trying to say in the Afterword?

[itine]

What is Kamachi trying to say in the Afterword?

Screenshot Capture already updates on Chinese sites (http://goo.gl/O7p3LB) or

!WARNING!
NON-SEQUENTIAL PAGE PIC WITH ROUGH TRANSLATION INCLUDING AFTERWORD
DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOIL !
AND YOU ALREADY BEING WARN (https://imgur.com/a/8zF89).

[tsunade666]

Ugh... i don't know about this development. The initial charm for index for me, is the science vs magic theme but with this current development?...

well this should be expected with Accel being able to use magic at the end of OT to save Last order, even though he ended up in a bloody mess but seriously.... >_>

Magic and Esper combo.... I have mixed feelings about this.

This makes the whole initial settings of the story, been thrown into the dump truck.

[Marcus H.]

Kamisato destined to disappear

So it's NT9 time for Kamisato?

[Loremaster]

So it's NT9 time for Kamisato? And sadly if this the case I'll barely care. I just can't seem to like him.

[LevelSeven]

And sadly if this the case I'll barely care. I just can't seem to like him.
wouldnt you care if his NT9 consists out of 200 pages full of detailed torture-explanation and than he gets to experience scenarios where he murders his parents and friends and than gets raped to death over and over again??

[Kuroageha]

There are summaries by Chinese readers, and he was awesome dealing with Yuitsu and lecturing how she was living her life incorrectly.

It reminded me of Touma lecturing Vento.

I share their feelings when he when full hero while Touma was there again doubting what to do.

@Loremaster

残念だったね

[Loremaster]

wouldnt you care if his NT9 consists out of 200 pages full of detailed torture-explanation and than he gets to experience scenarios where he murders his parents and friends and than gets raped to death over and over again??
Nope, why should I care for someone who only been in this for 3 novels and leaving so quickly. Was he suppose to be a mirror of toumas old self I don't know. But Kamachi has at least failed to convince me to
Like this character in this amount of time.
There are summaries by Chinese readers, and he was awesome dealing with Yuitsu and lecturing how she was living her life incorrectly.

It reminded me of Touma lecturing Vento.

I share their feelings when he when full hero while Touma was there again doubting what to do.

@Loremaster

残念だったね
So basically he's Touma 2.0 this doesn't change my feeling towards him. His entire position in this Niel felt awkwardly placed in.

[WiliamZ0]

Kamisato gone? YAY!
Hostage situation? YAY!
Finally something good gonna happened right !

About AAA Mikoto ... C'mon seriously ? No more side effect ?

[Loremaster]

Kamisato gone? YAY!
Hostage situation? YAY!
Finally something good gonna happened right !

About AAA Mikoto ... C'mon seriously ? No more side effect ? Regarding your spoiler I'm not shocked by this development. She seems very capable to adapting and this is someone who worked up to level five. This development is actually something I predicted last volume.

[LevelSeven]

There are summaries by Chinese readers, and he was awesome dealing with Yuitsu and lecturing how she was living her life incorrectly.

seriously? not sure but damn the good guys in toaru can be so arrogant :mad: (who are they to tell someone that the way they live is correct or not?)
Talk no jutsu-ing is one of the worst thing a author can use imo, number 2 is incredible obvious plot armor :/

@Lore

what i meant was, wouldnt you even care about him if he got such a volume?
i can be not caring too but at least that would give him at least some of my interest :eyespin:
either way, now that i have heard that he will use TnJ i guess im ok with him dying in a garbage can :/

[Loremaster]

seriously? not sure but damn the good guys in toaru can be so arrogant :mad: (who are they to tell someone that the way they live is correct or not?)
Talk no jutsu-ing is one of the worst thing a author can use imo, number 2 is incredible obvious plot armor :/

@Lore

what i meant was, wouldnt you even care about him if he got such a volume?
i can be not caring too but at least that would give him at least some of my interest :eyespin:
either way, now that i have heard that he will use TnJ i guess im ok with him dying in a garbage can :/ No I wouldn't care even if he did get NT9. It's honestly not the right type of development for him. What made it work for Touma is because we know most of his history, the other guy on the other hand is barely 3 volumes old. No real connection and no long lost memories to get lost in. He doesn't have the same connection so a NT9 for him will fail.

[Chosen_Hero]

^Agreed, if he were to just dissapear along with his storyline, I wouldn't shed a tear. Literally the only one I care from his side is Salome (and that is because unlike Kamisato she actually felt like a likeable character), everyone else in the Kamisato Faction is just background noise in my opinion.

I'll try keeping away from the spoilers as much as I can, I want to go into this volume expecting nothing.

[Kuroageha]

Good news for you then, already stated he is coming back ★ somehow with Touma's help(and return the favor).



On the other hand Mikoto's "development" was thrown away/solved the easy way. Not like I didn't expect that though. Heh.

[LevelSeven]

^so....if hat is true than i think i now understand the forte of kamachi: character design, power creation, powersystem and worldbuilding plus interesting fights :eyespin:
Im still naive to think that something could happen :/

[BladeMancer]

Oh god fucking damn it Kamachi
Why the fuck did he abandon the AAA shit? I can't believe this.

[Natsurin]

Interesting volume ahead it seems. At the very least /she/ finally returns, proving she didn't die somewhere during the old volumes or during Railgun...

I'm not too sure what's with the popular impression that because the AAA hasn't driven Mikoto batshit insane a la Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi, it means Kamachi's put her development aside? I mean, Kamachi dedicated a whole sweet ten volumes for Othinus' plot with some volumes where she didn't even appear, proving that he has a tendency to spread as far as the butter will go and introducing as many of his concepts as he can in the meanwhile. Not to mention NT13-NT14-NT15 did show that there's a cooldown period before the "serious things for Mikoto's development hinted at before" plot points resume, so I think we should all wait until we've actually read the novel and until NT17 is out to decide whether Kamachi's thrown his Mikoto development potential out of the window.

Plus, I personally believe that repeated usage of the AAA is exactly what will bite Mikoto in the ass sooner or later, whether it's actual AAA side-effects or other consequences of her usage of it, so it's not too odd to me that she's actually getting used manoeuvring the damn thing.

[DragonXX]

Interesting volume ahead it seems. At the very least /she/ finally returns, proving she didn't die somewhere during the old volumes or during Railgun...

I'm not too sure what's with the popular impression that because the AAA hasn't driven Mikoto batshit insane a la Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi, it means Kamachi's put her development aside? I mean, Kamachi dedicated a whole sweet ten volumes for Othinus' plot with some volumes where she didn't even appear, proving that he has a tendency to spread as far as the butter will go and introducing as many of his concepts as he can in the meanwhile. Not to mention NT13-NT14-NT15 did show that there's a cooldown period before the "serious things for Mikoto's development hinted at before" plot points resume, so I think we should all wait until we've actually read the novel and until NT17 is out to decide whether Kamachi's thrown his Mikoto development potential out of the window.

Plus, I personally believe that repeated usage of the AAA is exactly what will bite Mikoto in the ass sooner or later, whether it's actual AAA side-effects or other consequences of her usage of it, so it's not too odd to me that she's actually getting used manoeuvring the damn thing.

I have not read the book yet but I think Mikoto using the AAA will bite her in the butt because of what the AAA is said to deliver, Crowley Will to power it and NT15 didn't say that it would be the AAA that would destory Mikoto but it make it seen like her growth will be warp by AAA in a way it should not go.

Also was it Yuistu who was in contral of Elements the whole time or someone else and if not who was contraling the Elements?

[LG-MAX 2.o]

then another volume with predictable and simple resolution? normal.

It is now expected to translations begin and have fun with the best series offers, comedy.

[Chosen_Hero]

Good news for you then, already stated he is coming back ★ somehow with Touma's help(and return the favor).



On the other hand Mikoto's "development" was thrown away/solved the easy way. Not like I didn't expect that though. Heh.


After I read the volume myself I will quote you with my reply, expect an essays' worth.;)

[BladeMancer]

After I read the volume myself I will quote you with my reply, expect an essays' worth.;)
Dude I don't know how to take this statement. Is the volume good? Is it bad? Or should I wait?

That aside...
Touma is back to breaking illusions guys, let's hope his roar at the end of the volume is a sign of the series returning to it's former glory.

[LevelSeven]

^doubt that will be the case,
the first things that wouöd need to happen for this are story arcs involving the former main chars accel and shiage, than pulling it together into a big final, i would say shiage deals with takitsubo and her lvl5 thing, accel finally gets a story explaining his wings to some extend and touma deals with laura and index bwing hostage (she will never be anything else),

And shiage finds out that in england the stonehenge can turn back time for the objects inside of it which is the key to reverse the issue with takitsubo who is about to die mentally due to inability of controlling her powers (simiöar to misaka and her lvl6 shift), but the only one who knows the spell is Index,

But they dont stand a chance against the saints who work for laura but luckily accel has a reason to be there, he found out the same as shiage but he wants to use it in order to see into his past and learn from where he comes from, so the big battle begins that destroys london and sends great britian after accel, shiage and touma,

they need stuff for the spell and etc etc spell works any takitsubo is saved, accel does his own thing which ends with thw group getting swallowed in a big light ball, volume NT19 ends there,

NT20 is accels flashback that also FINALLY connects the cast with aleister, after coming back they see that archetype controller changed the whole world, now the group of 5 must destroy that machine....and the enemys are all the people the team is close to :)

Imo this sounds like a freaking awesome plot, but will never happen :(

[mark1246]

https://imgur.com/a/8zF89

Our lord and savior Js06 got her copy and finish reading it, she enjoy it she says.
now to play the waiting game for December for NT17

PS: I didnt know about this and got on the JOJO hype train last year, but on the Toaru Majutsu no Index:Crossover Chapter 1

WE HAVE A CHARACTER CALLED "KILLER QUEEN".......KILLER QUEEN

Geez i dont know if Kamachi like JOJO or what but for those who read part 4, that freaking cool >.<

[Natsurin]

https://imgur.com/a/8zF89

Our lord and savior Js06 got her copy and finish reading it, she enjoy it she says.
now to play the waiting game for December for NT17

Uh... I don't seem to recall js06 ever being known as a woman...? :heh:

A volume with no newly introduced characters though, how rare and enjoyable.

[Kuroageha]

^
It's a joke, on BT some people said he was a loli. Guess, it spread.

[DragonXX]

Who is Fran again?
I still want to know how the Element is make?

[45darkrai]

Who is Fran again?
I still want to know how the Element is make?
Fran is Kamisato's UFO girl harem member.

[45darkrai]

Lol at Kuroko getting heatstroke after locking herself with Touma in a prevent room for some unknown reason. Can't wait to see that's translated.

[Kuroageha]

You can start reading now, translations resumed.

[mark1246]

You can start reading now, translations resumed.

nah, just Js06 was just cleaning some stuff, nothing updated yet >.<

[Last_Aeon]

Hue hue hue.... I will wait until Salome sacrifice herself for Kamisato. And see his face as he lost app his confidence.

[DragonXX]

Poor Hamazura did you really think you could escape into a normal life so easily in this World because unlike Accel you don't have any powers.

[shmaster]

Finished vol.16, oh my this has to be my favorite volume ever since Kamisato shows up.

All thanks Yuitsu's hard and persistent work. She managed to turn the table last minute and won total victory over Kamisato. Her trap at the end to either force him to get burned to death under a rocket booster or gets rejected from the world by his own World Rejector is such a brilliant move. Good bye Kamisato, I won't remember you.
Thank you Yuitsu, all hail Yuitsu, thank you for getting rid off that demented hypocrite, thus making future volumes easier to read.

[LazyHunter]

So they took Hamazura's BtL part out of the preview. Then again, it's a small scene showing Element's appearing in AC, and they probably wanted to include those parts of C1 with the shipping instead.

[Marcus H.]

Yuiitsu getting rid of Kamisato is going to be her undoing in the end, however.
She unleashed the illusion-killing Kamijou Touma that had laid dormant since who knows when.

[Flames]

I can see this Kamisato/Yuiitsu arc going for possibly two more volumes if Kamachi wants to stretch it.

[alex_drian]

I just finish of read the chapter 1, parts 1 and 2, OMG is Index working?

[shmaster]

BTW, there is one thing that annoyed me in this volume.
It is Kmamachi's refusal to speak out Yuitsu as the culprit by not mentioning her name directly, when any intelligible reader should be able to tell that she is behind all this.

[bakato]

Update! Looks like the children are doing dandy. Staying behind to allow his allies to flee to safety, our Kamijou is now alone with a big-chested bikini girl to be rescued and escorted to a swimsuit girl paradise. It pays to be a hero.

[DragonXX]

So after Touma saw Mikoto in the AAA, he said she look like a Winged Demon which is most likey more forshadowing to Mikoto becoming like a demon that Touma will have to do what his name said The One who Purifies God and Slays Demons, this go which what Touma will have to do which Yuuistu too because of what she doing to herself too. The Elements are pretty smart which that move of cutting off it Tentacle to not get kill by IB.
I am guessing that Mikoto may play the same role Accel play in WWIII in Touma part of the story or what Freyja play in NT8 the pre-final boss of the Story Arc or this could also be the Kamisato Group role before Yuuistu's Final Boss.

[Loremaster]

They actually got Index working... I'm done, so done. They did the bloody impossible.

[bakato]

With Tokiwadai's elite esper populace, shouldn't there be someone with the ability to make ice or cool things down?

[DragonXX]

They actually got Index working... I'm done, so done. They did the bloody impossible.

What your giving up the series?

[Kuroageha]

They actually got Index working... I'm done, so done. They did the bloody impossible.
She did and earn money to buy an oven for Touma before though.

[LevelSeven]

Why isnt necesssarius giving touma money for the protection and the general expenses index causes? Strabge that i only think about this now :/

[Kuroageha]

They're jerks like Aleister.

[bakato]

Why isnt necesssarius giving touma money for the protection and the general expenses index causes? Strabge that i only think about this now :/

Why doesn't Aleister compensate Touma for all the dirty jobs he threw at him?

[Chosen_Hero]

^Necessarius and Aleister really owe Touma a lot of money at this point.:heh:

When will Touma learn that whenever something looks too good to be true something horrible will most likely to happen, especially to him?:heh: So Mikoto is flying around like a vigilante destroying the Elements and Touma instinctively knows just from slightly seeing it that the AAA isn't a good thing.

As for the in between the lines it seems to be focusing on the members of the Kamijou Faction (at least so far), Hamazura proving just how good he is at being bait, Bettle Kaline annoyed at the Elements, the lolis just surviving an apocalypse jist fine, and the chicken makes a return... wtf!?.:heh:

[DragonXX]

^Necessarius and Aleister really owe Touma a lot of money at this point.:heh:

When will Touma learn that whenever something looks too good to be true something horrible will most likely to happen, especially to him?:heh: So Mikoto is flying around like a vigilante destroying the Elements and Touma instinctively knows just from slightly seeing it that the AAA isn't a good thing.

As for the in between the lines it seems to be focusing on the members of the Kamijou Faction (at least so far), Hamazura proving just how good he is at being bait, Bettle Kaline annoyed at the Elements, the lolis just surviving an apocalypse jist fine, and the chicken makes a return... wtf!?.:heh:

Of course Touma and Hamazura have a gift for being bait.

[Natsurin]

Why isnt necesssarius giving touma money for the protection and the general expenses index causes? Strabge that i only think about this now :/

Because getting to stay with Index is probably his reward anyway. It's that or have the girl be pursued or locked up again, so I don't think they actually believe they owe him anything as opposed to an agreement that works out for both sides.

The bigger question here is why hasn't anything been done about her bloody walking church yet? She's even spent some time in England and still didn't get that at least replaced for something more optimal than safety safety pins. :heh:

[Chosen_Hero]

Of course Touma and Hamazura have a gift for being bait.

Their positions are not equal, Touma is made to participate either by IB or someone else that wants to use him, Hamazura is just hunted down as weak prey or something. I mean come on, Hamazura is like the perfect victim especially if you look at his face.:heh:

[Wandering Soul]

Yeah, there's a huge difference between how Touma's classmates are handling the situation and how the Tokiwada students are handling it. Having all of your students be espers makes a huge difference.

Misaka looks normal enough, but the fact that she started a club just to maintain the weapons and got attached to using them even before all of this is slightly concerning.

“Heh hah. Eh heh heh ha ha ha ha ha!! Yes, yes, yes. That’s what I want from you. I’m not the same girl I was back then. And I won’t let you say these common breasts disqualify me from providing the support of a young woman!!”

“???”

(Wh-what kind of spoiled bastard told a girl as blessed as this that she had common breasts? Whoever they are, they can go straight to hell!!)

If only you knew, Touma.

[DragonXX]

Yeah, there's a huge difference between how Touma's classmates are handling the situation and how the Tokiwada students are handling it. Having all of your students be espers makes a huge difference.

Misaka looks normal enough, but the fact that she started a club just to maintain the weapons and got attached to using them even before all of this is slightly concerning.



If only you knew, Touma.

Don't worry that person everyday life turn into hell all the time. More foreshadowing for Mikoto being twisted by the AAA.

We are now on Dec.8 at around noon. I want to know how many days this book will take because I seen believe that Dec. will have 2 Story Arcs in it, this one and another which I believe will bring NT to a end before we move onto a new sequel.
Hoping the next Story Arc will have Character Growth for Index.

I say after this book we are 1-3 book away from the start of the Climax of the Story Arc which will happen most likey on NT18,NT19 or NT20 which would match which OT climax started.

[Last_Aeon]

Well, Misaka is getting more and more addicted to the AAA ISN'T SHE. I LOOK forward to her reaction when she loses it or screws up.

[Chosen_Hero]

Gotta love how the girls from the garden are turning slutty just from seeing Touma.:heh:

Mikoto is basically Tony Stark at this point and yes, you can see that the AAA is affecting her a bit but instead of turning her bad it's more like it's amplifying her sense of justice to dangerous degrees. Misaki is enjoying herself a bit too much but man, she barely gave him any information.:heh:

[LevelSeven]

Why doesn't Aleister compensate Touma for all the dirty jobs he threw at him?

Touma has no idea that aleister exists and i think that he wants to let ut stay like that, on the other hand necess simply threw index on touma without any sort of financial help :/

[The One Above God]

Wh-what kind of spoiled bastard told a girl as blessed as this that she had common breasts? Whoever they are, they can go straight to hell!!

Don't worry, he's been in different kinds almost every day ever since the series started.

Misaki enjoying the Touma's thoughts about the "new" her is kinda cute. Still sad that he's gonna forget most, if not, all of their exchange though. Also, I hope the mud Fukiyose and co. brought back is enough for the whole pool.

Mikoto with AAA is pretty cool, though despite the "amiss" feeling she gives off to me.

Anyway, looks like not all of AC is in trouble. Touma's company just so happened to be one of the less fortunate ones in terms of resources, personnel, esper powers, etc. Really shows just how amazing it is that they've survived like that for so long. Misaki is right, they should feel more proud of what they've accomplished so far.

[DragonXX]

Don't worry, he's been in different kinds almost every day ever since the series started.

Misaki enjoying the Touma's thoughts about the "new" her is kinda cute. Still sad that he's gonna forget most, if not, all of their exchange though. Also, I hope the mud Fukiyose and co. brought back is enough for the whole pool.

Mikoto with AAA is pretty cool, though despite the "amiss" feeling she gives off to me.

Anyway, looks like not all of AC is in trouble. Touma's company just so happened to be one of the less fortunate ones in terms of resources, personnel, esper powers, etc. Really shows just how amazing it is that they've survived like that for so long. Misaki is right, they should feel more proud of what they've accomplished so far.

Not that surprising that the people who have important to AC like the School Garden people would be safer then the people who don't have must power like Touma's School students.

Something I would like to know more about in this series are the birthdays of the characters, the only one we know is Mikoto May 2nd and that Touma was born sometime between January 20 - February 19 because he an Aquarius. I can't even image how bad Touma' s Birthday is going to be which how this series like to make Touma suffer.

[mark1246]

Is it me or touma really thinking of Misaka a lot, like those shoujo romance type of thinking, just Finish Nisekoi & it on my mind

Cause it really stand out on how touma just keep thinking of misaka in his inner monologue from kamachi writing >.<

[desrtsku]

Why do those Tokiwadai girls talk as if it's the first time in their life they ever saw a male human being up close?

[LazyHunter]

Nice to see Fremea, Kuroko and Fraulein again. Touma's scenes in Tokiwadai with Misaki were cute.

[The One Above God]

Is it me or touma really thinking of Misaka a lot, like those shoujo romance type of thinking, just Finish Nisekoi & it on my mind

Cause it really stand out on how touma just keep thinking of misaka in his inner monologue from kamachi writing >.<
Probably 'cause of Salome's warning. It hasn't been that long since that happened and Mikoto is also a friend of him.

[Chosen_Hero]

Why do those Tokiwadai girls talk as if it's the first time in their life they ever saw a male human being up close?

Because for a lot of them it just might be. There are girls in the garden that just don't go outside of it, they are just that pure.

[LevelSeven]

Why do those Tokiwadai girls talk as if it's the first time in their life they ever saw a male human being up close?

Fanservice :/

[Natsurin]

Fanservice :/

Do you know what fanservice actually is...? I mean, I do understand Japan has a very strong culture of catering to the fans these days, as unpleasant as I can find it to be, but trying to explain a situation you don't understand even though you can see it occur see in real-life by mere "fanservice" is completely absurd.

Sheltered girls are often sent to all-girls school for a reason: the parents want them to have a good upbringing and do not want them to go astray from dating men, especially in a conservative country like Japan, which is why they restrict their surroundings to girls only. This means that they naturally hold a certain amount of prejudices against men from never having been involved with a single one of them who wasn't a father or an important business figure. It's got nothing to do with fanservice, it's just how sheltered girls are, they're sheltered and for a lot of them this is probably the first time they've seen a boy close to their age.

[LevelSeven]

Do you know what fanservice actually is...? I mean, I do understand Japan has a very strong culture of catering to the fans these days, as unpleasant as I can find it to be, but trying to explain a situation you don't understand even though you can see it occur see in real-life by mere "fanservice" is completely absurd.

Sheltered girls are often sent to all-girls school for a reason: the parents want them to have a good upbringing and do not want them to go astray from dating men, especially in a conservative country like Japan, which is why they restrict their surroundings to girls only. This means that they naturally hold a certain amount of prejudices against men from never having been involved with a single one of them who wasn't a father or an important business figure. It's got nothing to do with fanservice, it's just how sheltered girls are, they're sheltered and for a lot of them this is probably the first time they've seen a boy close to their age.

fanservice isnt the same as "doesnt make sense", fanservice can have a logical reason why it happens, desrtsku asked why they act like that, it can be because of the reason you said AND because of fanservice :eyespin:

[Loremaster]

First, like to mention towards Dragon, no I'm not dropping the series I had been working for 12 hours. I meant I was done for the night after hearing that fact. Index working.. wow.

fanservice isn't the same as "doesnt make sense", fanservice can have a logical reason why it happens, desrtsku asked why they act like that, it can be because of the reason you said AND because of fanservice :eyespin:

Alright, you need to stop dodging questions every time someone responds to you. It's very annoying and makes every attempt to have an honest conversation with you seem hollow. Why should anyone take you serious if you never take us seriously? You dodging the question as you just did here is exactly what it makes us feel like right now. You don't take our responses serious enough.

Please look back at what Natsurin said and respond without dodging the question this time. Since I agree exactly what was said here.

I'll make it easier for you and quote it below.

Do you know what fanservice actually is...? I mean, I do understand Japan has a very strong culture of catering to the fans these days, as unpleasant as I can find it to be, but trying to explain a situation you don't understand even though you can see it occur see in real-life by mere "fanservice" is completely absurd.

Sheltered girls are often sent to all-girls school for a reason: the parents want them to have a good upbringing and do not want them to go astray from dating men, especially in a conservative country like Japan, which is why they restrict their surroundings to girls only. This means that they naturally hold a certain amount of prejudices against men from never having been involved with a single one of them who wasn't a father or an important business figure. It's got nothing to do with fanservice, it's just how sheltered girls are, they're sheltered and for a lot of them this is probably the first time they've seen a boy close to their age.

[LevelSeven]

Alright, you need to stop dodging questions every time someone responds to you. It's very annoying and makes every attempt to have an honest conversation with you seem hollow. Why should anyone take you serious if you never take us seriously? You dodging the question as you just did here is exactly what it makes us feel like right now. You don't take our responses seriously.

Please look back at what Natsurin said and respond without dodging the question this time. Since I agree exactly what was said here.
äh...what?
how did i dodge his question? the only question was if i know what fanservice actually is (which i thought was rhetorical and didnt need a answer since it wasnt serious, but ok) i know what fanservice is, and it doesnt only include naked bodys and kyaa screaming girls...
Fan service (ファンサービス fan sābisu?), fanservice, or service cut (サービスカット sābisu katto?),[1][2] is material in a work of fiction or in a fictional series which is intentionally added to please the audience.[3] The term originated in anime and manga fandom but has been used in other mediums. It is about "servicing" the fan[4] – giving the fans "exactly what they want."[5] Fan service usually refers to "gratuitous titillation", but can also refer to intertextual references to other series[3][6] or story and visual elements that audiences tend to desire.
and under this definition, the act of girls fawning over a boy which is the MC (and most of the time the readers itself who "placed himself" into the MCs role in the story) is a act of fanservice,
but it doesnt mean that it cant have a logical reason for the chars behavior...
satisfied?

[Natsurin]

Well, you literally just now dodged it again by shifting the discussion to his request of you properly replying to me to your confusion as to why he would said that. :heh:

I'll elaborate in case you really didn't understand what I meant and I certainly hope I'll get a proper answer befitting of a discussion: what does fanservice means to you?

To.

You.

Not Wikipedia.

Keep in mind fanservice isn't necessarily a pejorative term, the popular culture uses it as a term to describe anything they're displeased with (such as sudden and unwarranted anime porn just there for gratuity) but what it actually means is very simply service to the fans that may or may not be invited by the story. It's not an inherently bad word so it shouldn't be used to justify negative reception like girls being fascinated drooling over someone when there's a perfectly reasonable reasoning that explains it. This is just like "literally" being used in the exact opposite of a literal manner.

Fanservice that has a logical backing isn't usually fanservice, it's just logic.

Now, do explain to me and without asking me "how am I dodging the question" or other things that really aren't related to what I'm asking, why did you reply to desrtsku that it was simply "fanservice :/" without elaborating at all on what you meant or giving any kind of support to your argument?

Why is it fanservice, and why does fanservice have to be a reasoning along my own? Is it because they're in swimsuits or something? Did we suddenly enter School Days and the second apparition of a man in Tokiwadai will cause this to become a -18 light novel (though js06 would still translate that so we wouldn't even need to worry :heh: )? Please actually explain your reasoning if you're going to affirm it, and if you're unwilling to do so then I'll simply drop it because I don't fancy going around in circles.

[LevelSeven]

I'll elaborate in case you really didn't understand what I meant and I certainly hope I'll get a proper answer befitting of a discussion: what does fanservice means to you?

To.

You.

Not Wikipedia.
you can ask me if i like such a scene but not what fanservice is for me,
my opinion doesnt even matter in this whole discussion, there is a definition of the term fanservice like there is a definition for plot armor,
being one or not has nothing to do with me disliking it or not... and yes, it also isnt a negative term, it is simply one that sums up a certain incident that happened in a story...
Keep in mind fanservice isn't necessarily a pejorative term, the popular culture uses it as a term to describe anything they're displeased with (such as sudden and unwarranted anime porn just there for gratuity) but what it actually means is very simply service to the fans that may or may not be invited by the story. It's not an inherently bad word so it shouldn't be used to justify negative reception like girls being fascinated drooling over someone when there's a perfectly reasonable reasoning that explains it. This is just like "literally" being used in the exact opposite of a literal manner.
agree... when did i say that i didnt like it?
Fanservice that has a logical backing isn't usually fanservice, it's just logic.
no, let me give you a example:
touma is suffering under a jetlack because he went to italy from japan and cant think straight anymore in OT11,
he goes into a bathroom without thinking and sees orianna naked,
Index is confused and a naive girl, she runs out of the other bathroom without thinking and touma sees her too,
logcial explanation? yes,
fanservice? yes...
Now, do explain to me and without asking me "how am I dodging the question" or other things that really aren't related to what I'm asking, why did you reply to desrtsku that it was simply "fanservice :/" without elaborating at all on what you meant or giving any kind of support to your argument?
because it is a answer, you can give a reason for their behavior, and as i said, this doesnt change the fact that it is still fanservice...
and why does fanservice have to be a reasoning along my own?
because "having a logical reason behind a incident" doesnt suddenly negate it being fanservice...

[Loremaster]

Level Seven you once again ignored a request and dodged you way out of it. So Natsurin has no reason to respond anymore. But I'll just suggest you look closer at the post again and ask yourself how did the conversation turn out this way?

Anyway back to a serious discussion.

Is it me or did Misaka Mikoto been visiting shaft studios recently? She has been tilting her head numerous times in this Volume already. This personality? Has she gotten arrogant or is just me?

[LevelSeven]

lol, now i get it, you guys are trolling...

and for your spoiler: AAA is affecting her so any "strange" behavior should be expected...

[Natsurin]

Is it me or did Misaka Mikoto been visiting shaft studios recently? She has been tilting her head numerous times in this Volume already. This personality? Has she gotten arrogant or is just me?

This is interesting because Mikoto has, frankly, always been an arrogant kid since she was brought up with the notion that she could do anything she set her mind to and she's Academy City's public golden example of Esper progression to the city and the rest of the world. She'd mellowed out a bit with the understanding there are other things out there than her own powers, but could this mean she's getting confident with the AAA enough to regain that child-like arrogance back at a price?

Not to mention that if she starts getting even more reckless than she already is, that'll be another thing to keep an eye out for.

Originally, I was worried about this novel having a NT7 bait where she'd only appear and have the relevance of a pebble to justify other characters' presence while being unfathomably OOC, but now that I look at it with a clearer mind I think it was actually brilliant to leave this gap between the progress in Mikoto's development. It shows her getting used to the AAA, something she shouldn't, and slowly acknowledging it as a new ability of hers that'll let her reach the heights she wanted at a price she may not realise yet. That gradual development is really captivating so I look forward to what future volumes will deliver in this regard.

[Kuroageha]

Level Seven you once again ignored a request and dodged you way out of it. So Natsurin has no reason to respond anymore. But I'll just suggest you look closer at the post again and ask yourself how did the conversation turn out this way?

Anyway back to a serious discussion.

Is it me or did Misaka Mikoto been visiting shaft studios recently? She has been tilting her head numerous times in this Volume already. This personality? Has she gotten arrogant or is just me?


That' always been her mindset, take a look at the first chapter of vol.14, she really believes in such things as power ups and shonen manga developments.
Then the previous volumes with her going creepy with her "gain of experience and new levels".

Even way before that during the fake date chapter from Vol.5 we get to see how much high she thinks of herself and how much her ego got hurt when she realized that despite she gets all the praises and awe from everyone, to Touma's eyes she is just a normal person that is a friend nothing more, nothing less which is nothing wrong but to her is a big deal.

Finding AAA is just making her feel she was right.

But from our readers' perspective we know she is wrong.

[Chosen_Hero]

So let's analyze Mikotos' AAA arc in this volume so far:

So the first time we see her she has taken a vigilante like role to destroy the Elements, thereby helping keep those in her immediate zone safe. As Touma noticed she seems to have changed a bit, especially with her saying words like slaughter which clue is in that the AAA is affecting her personality but instead of mindbreaking her like many people kept hoping/wishing/assuming it's more along the lines of making her more confident to the point of arrogance (again, we can see this due to her change in vocabulary).

Absolute power, absolutely corrupts is a perfect term for what is happening to Mikoto while she uses the AAA. Mikoto felt how powerful that weapon was the moment she used it in NT.15 and now that she has had some time to master it she feels like she could take on the world or anything and anyone no matter how powerful. This creates this new layer of arrogance on top of what was her pride (of which she had a lot of, but has as of recently been crumbling the more she got closer to Touma and learned about the true nature of AC and the world). Mikoto is getting too attached to using the AAA and it shows, especially seeing as she went as far as to create a club just to maintain it.

When Touma first sees her using the AAA he recognizes her instantly but at the same time he subconsciously notices that the AAA might not be as good as it may seem while she uses it. He saw it more in the form of a demon, and now he is trying to find out as much as he can since it worries him that someone like Mikoto out of the blue gained this kind of advantage. Yes, he does feel that it is a pretty convinient thing to have especially in the current situation and that it is one of the factors as to why there is still hope for the people trying to survive, but, he still nonetheless seems to have a subconscious distrust of it. Mikoto using words like slaughter and destruction are some of the things that have clued him in on something being off about the whole situation and is now trying to find out more about it but seeing as no one has a clue as to where she even got it has him questioning the whole thing even more.

Now this is as much as we've gotten so far (at least from my point of view) and in my opinion IF the spoilers are true and she gets rid/is freed from it (that is as much as I know) it might have to tie into her figuring out that she doesn't need that kind of power and possibly sacrifices it to defeat the antagonist in some way or mayne Touma says somerhing along the lines of "Hey, don't rely on that thing too much it is obviously affecting you, someone like you has no need of a weapon" or something similar. At least this is where I feel this volume might be headed to from what we've gotten so far, but all of that could possibly change as the volume gets translated so this is just a hypothetical scenario so far and not to be taken as an absolute.

[LevelSeven]

^correct me if im wrong but is the AAA not somehow connected with aleister? (his being is corrupting mikoto right? kind of how kakines being influenced the dark matter kihara from NT4)

if that is the case, and mikoto acts far more like a "angry guy" maybe the cool facade of aleister is also only a play, his real self should be one of a super-berserk-person...i was never a fan of this whole "magic name"-bla but it fits with "beast666" which is his name right?)

[bakato]

^correct me if im wrong but is the AAA not somehow connected with aleister? (his being is corrupting mikoto right? kind of how kakines being influenced the dark matter kihara from NT4)

if that is the case, and mikoto acts far more like a "angry guy" maybe the cool facade of aleister is also only a play, his real self should be one of a super-berserk-person...i was never a fan of this whole "magic name"-bla but it fits with "beast666" which is his name right?)

It was. AAA is a technique to borrow/channel his power. Obviously it's not connected to him currently hence the hole in NT15, but it's strange enough to twist Mikoto.

Update. Oh, Kuroko. You don't even like the guy but you cut in line ahead of worthier heroines anyway.

[LevelSeven]

^thanks, than i guess it is possible that aleister in reality a really angry person instead of a calm and calculating mastermind to the core,

if that is true than we are actually able to say that his "reason" for his superplan can even be a "tiny" one, maybe to save his family? if he is someone who has emotions on such a scale than this reason is more than enough (plus it fits into the usual kamachi-antagonist criteria) :O

[Chosen_Hero]

Sheesh, drop a boy at an all girls school and all of a sudden it turns into a lions' den.:heh:

Misaki as jealous as always, some might say salty.:heh:

Kuroko always causes bigger problems than the ones she tries to avoid.:heh:

And Mikoto and Touma always with the misunderstandings (and as always both are at fault, although the entire situation is mainly Kurokos' fault wasn't there a better place to have a conversation soundproof or not?), it would be funny if he ends up having to carry both Kuroko and Mikoto to the infirmary, makong him gain even more infamy within Tokiwadai.:heh:

As for the Elements, if they aren't made from Dark Matter i'll be surprised. Also the microwave thing makes a lot of sense if you think back at everything up until now, I feel ashamed of not even thinking about that possibility.

[Keila]

Just wondering about Misaki (and Touma's inability to recall her).

Could this not simply be by-passed by using things such as hand-written notes / chat log (ie, stuff that isn't Misaki).


If Touma wrote some notes (like writing a shopping list) and left a comments saying that "Misaki told me this" would he forget that he ever wrote the note in the first place?

Would he not be able to use online messaging services to have a conversation with 'online Misaki'? If she randomly sent him text messages (but left no indication of the author) would that not create a mysterious avatar that he should be able to remember?

[DragonXX]

Sheesh, drop a boy at an all girls school and all of a sudden it turns into a lions' den.:heh:

Misaki as jealous as always, some might say salty.:heh:

Kuroko always causes bigger problems than the ones she tries to avoid.:heh:

And Mikoto and Touma always with the misunderstandings (and as always both are at fault, although the entire situation is mainly Kurokos' fault wasn't there a better place to have a conversation soundproof or not?), it would be funny if he ends up having to carry both Kuroko and Mikoto to the infirmary, makong him gain even more infamy within Tokiwadai.:heh:

As for the Elements, if they aren't made from Dark Matter i'll be surprised. Also the microwave thing makes a lot of sense if you think back at everything up until now, I feel ashamed of not even thinking about that possibility.

They said it was make of carbon so I am thinking more St. Germain is playing a role in making Element which is also under Yuuistu contral at the moment too, the question is what is the Will o Wisp that power the Elements make of?

If the body seen to be make of a Carbon or a Carbon/Dark Matter combine thing?

[Chosen_Hero]

^Probably, I wouldn't put it past the AC scientists or the Kiharas to try and make something like this.


Chapter 2 - Parts 7 - 8

Touma is still worried about Mikoto and the AAA, why doesn't he just ask the obvious question about the nosebleed? If it isn't the heat or sickness then there is only one very obviously suspicious thing that could be the cause of it.

And like always the plan backfires in the most amazing way and then there is the factor of the girls being too naive especially after being protected all along. They might be powerful espers but that doesn't mean that they are all battle hardened like Mikoto or Kuroko.

So Mikoto got shot down in a surprise attack, pretty sure she will be the one to save Touma from this predicament, unless yet again another character appears out of nowhere only to get jobbed.:heh:

That moment you realize that this is just the first half of the volume and Touma is fighting Kaijus.:heh: I won't be surprised if by then end of this there is a new legend at the garden or Tokiwadai about the spiky haired gentleman.:heh:

[bakato]

It feels a little contrived how Touma thought of the worst case scenario when the girls started oogling him.

[The One Above God]

“I-I-I did it!! I touched a gentleman for the first time in my life!!”
“I-I never thought you would be the first one to climb the stairway to adulthood, Nanami!”
“M-maybe we need to find the courage too. (Glance, glance) B-but he’s so scary! It’s the same pressure as facing down a lion!!”

After three days of battling Elements, the girls have finally met their greatest enemy: a gentleman :heh:.

Misaki must have died a little inside when Touma asked about her knowing his name :(.

Anyway, things got intense quite fast once they reached the <1km range. I'm not really surprised that those girls didn't know how to respond to sudden danger considering they've been annihilating any element they've come across with especially with AAA Mikoto's help. Makes sensenthat they'd be a tad bit late responding to attacks on the same degree as that Class 6. Hope Touma was able to punch that Crocodile thing that fell on him and avoid being injured at least.

Now that we know they're coming from above, what are they exactly? They wouldn't happen to be Dark Matter creatures again, would they?
That moment you realize that this is just the first half of the volume and Touma is fighting Kaijus.:heh: I won't be surprised if by then end of this there is a new legend at the garden or Tokiwadai about the spiky haired gentleman.:heh:
With him essentially saving the girls from the Class 6, I'd say a legend has been formed already :heh:.

[bakato]

After three days of battling Elements, the girls have finally met their greatest enemy: a gentleman :heh:.

Misaki must have died a little inside when Touma asked about her knowing his name :(.

Anyway, things got intense quite fast once they reached the <1km range. I'm not really surprised that those girls didn't know how to respond to sudden danger considering they've been annihilating any element they've come across with especially with AAA Mikoto's help. Makes sensenthat they'd be a tad bit late responding to attacks on the same degree as that Class 6. Hope Touma was able to punch that Crocodile thing that fell on him and avoid being injured at least.

Now that we know they're coming from above, what are they exactly? They wouldn't happen to be Dark Matter creatures again, would they?

With him essentially saving the girls from the Class 6, I'd say a legend has been formed already :heh:.

Poor Mikoto. As if she didn't already have enough competition.

[Chosen_Hero]

After three days of battling Elements, the girls have finally met their greatest enemy: a gentleman :heh:.

Misaki must have died a little inside when Touma asked about her knowing his name :(.

Anyway, things got intense quite fast once they reached the <1km range. I'm not really surprised that those girls didn't know how to respond to sudden danger considering they've been annihilating any element they've come across with especially with AAA Mikoto's help. Makes sensenthat they'd be a tad bit late responding to attacks on the same degree as that Class 6. Hope Touma was able to punch that Crocodile thing that fell on him and avoid being injured at least.

Now that we know they're coming from above, what are they exactly? They wouldn't happen to be Dark Matter creatures again, would they?

With him essentially saving the girls from the Class 6, I'd say a legend has been formed already :heh:.

He is easily the most exploitable resource they have.:heh:

His legend only grows.:heh:

[Last_Aeon]

lol people trying so hard to predict stuff. Seriously, when have we ever guessed right?

By the way, mikoto is slowly turning into accel, we all know what needs to be done to get rid of that arrogent attitude.

[entei08]

I really liked how the octopus element cut off its limb to avoid elimination, so there's some sense of intelligence after all.

Right now I'm just thinking either Aleister or Yuiitsu is creating this situation to force Misaka to rely on AAA, breaking her somewhere down the line. It may not be their only objective, then again these are just my predictions based on events so far.

I don't think the Element is dark matter though (at least not pure dark matter), because they stop moving instead of breaking away entirely when IB touches them. This is how octopus element managed to trap Touma despite losing that limb, again kudos to this element in particular.

[LazyHunter]

It's funny how the Tokiwadai students react to seeing a boy that close. Kuroko and Mikoto once again overreact for maximum Fukou da. Touma goes with the Tokiwadai group to take down the Crystal Tower that is helping Elements land on Earth. However, the Elements are protecting the tower, including 100m Class 6 Elements... I didn't expect them to grow that big, and the image of the 100m crocodile dropping from space on top of Touma is kind of funny.

[desrtsku]

I wonder why the girls were making a big deal out of destroying that tower. Couldn't they just have Kongou-san propel it into the stratosphere or something? Hypothetically speaking of course.
Now, bringing the 100 meters classes into the equation, I kind of get why Kamijou-san's presence is indispensable. But they wouldn't know that.

Putting that aside, no one told me Kamijou-san underwent a special Spiderman course that would help him just in case he has to swing around buildings while fighting kaijus.
Seriously, this guy has been pulling new crazy stunts every volume. Not that I'm complaining.

and the image of the 100m crocodile dropping from space on top of Touma is kind of funny.

I heard his voice saying "Fukou da" in my head, and I laughed pretty hard. But it was just in my head, so I was left a little bit disappointed.
Goddammit Kamachi, why? Why?

[The One Above God]

I wonder why the girls were making a big deal out of destroying that tower. Couldn't they just have Kongou-san propel it into the stratosphere or something? Hypothetically speaking of course.
Now, bringing the 100 meters classes into the equation, I kind of get why Kamijou-san's presence is indispensable. But they wouldn't know that.

Putting that aside, no one told me Kamijou-san underwent a special Spiderman course that would help him just in case he has to swing around buildings while fighting kaijus.
Seriously, this guy has been pulling new crazy stunts every volume. Not that I'm complaining.



I heard his voice saying "Fukou da" in my head, and I laughed pretty hard. But it was just in my head, so I was left a little bit disappointed.
Goddammit Kamachi, why? Why?
Now that you mention it, I haven't read that line in a long time.

[entei08]

That's more of a 'oh shit' than the usual Fukou da for me.

[Loremaster]

I'll do a full reaction post later to everything translated so far but Toumas attitude towards Misaka has dramatically changed. Of course most likely due to that warning, but how he thinks also about the girl. His interactions with Misaki are still great but full of sadness.

But seriously this volume is going to enrage some off site shipping wars. Lol

Am I the only one noticing his comment about touma being only bothered about Misaka in a swimming suit?

[Nomdrac8]

Poor Mikoto. As if she didn't already have enough competition.

At any rate, it seems the Kamijou harem is about to gain another 10,000 members.::heh:

[itine]

I'll do a full reaction post later to everything translated so far but Toumas attitude towards Misaka has dramatically changed. Of course most likely due to that warning, but how he thinks also about the girl. His interactions with Misaki are still great but full of sadness.

But seriously this volume is going to enrage some off site shipping wars. Lol

Am I the only one noticing his comment about touma being only bothered about Misaka in a swimming suit?

You, are not the only one, I notice them since ステイル~sama spoiler is out (http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/145225455/#q145236295) :D and my opinion:

Is not logic, if only by Salome warning Touma thinking (by tilting his head too :D) to Mikoto several times foreshadowing something bad could happen to her? or something else deep inside his feeling?
But, sigh,.. only Kamachi can answer that 1 billion volt questions :heh:

[DragonXX]

You, are not the only one, I notice them since ステイル~sama spoiler is out (http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/145225455/#q145236295) :D and my opinion:

Is not logic, if only by Salome warning Touma thinking (by tilting his head too :D) to Mikoto several times foreshadowing something bad could happen to her? or something else deep inside his feeling?
But, sigh,.. only Kamachi can answer that 1 billion volt questions :heh:

This is what was said in the LN:

"Why does Misaka’s swimsuit bother me more than anyone else’s? wondered Kamijou with a tilt of the head.

It may have been the defensive gap between the sturdy equipment and the swimsuit. That said, the heat would do her in if she covered herself in thick armor during this heat wave, so it was survival of the fittest."

To me it seen like it was the look between Mikoto Swinsuit and her wearing the AAA that bothered Touma.

It seen like it more the AAA that is really bothering Touma.
Which in itself is still very interesting because this is the first time a weapon had really bother him this must.

[Kuroageha]

His instincts alarm is ringing.

[Chosen_Hero]

Please drop the conversation before someone offends someone else and the mods have to intervene, it wasn't mentioned for a good reason (especially with how it sticks out no matter how you read it). We all know how this song and dance will go so let's just let Kamachi keep being the master baiter he is and wait and see what he does with it, if he even does do anything.


With that said, I just noticed that the racing swimsuit is similar to the skintight suits you often see in manga/anime that have anything to do with girls wearing mechlike objects. So basically Kamachi found a way to do that but by actually giving a reason as to why she would wear something like that, well played Kamachi, well played.:heh:

[Last_Aeon]

Please drop the conversation before someone offends someone else and the mods have to intervene, it wasn't mentioned for a good reason (especially with how it sticks out no matter how you read it). We all know how this song and dance will go so let's just let Kamachi keep being the master baiter he is and wait and see what he does with it, if he even does do anything.


With that said, I just noticed that the racing swimsuit is similar to the skintight suits you often see in manga/anime that have anything to do with girls wearing mechlike objects. So basically Kamachi found a way to do that but by actually giving a reason as to why she would wear something like that, well played Kamachi, well played.:heh:

Before we know it theirs gonna be a super weird swimsuit girl fly through space with a legit reason to wear swimsuits lol

[DragonXX]

Before we know it theirs gonna be a super weird swimsuit girl fly through space with a legit reason to wear swimsuits lol

I was hoping chapter 2 will be finish by tonight but I guess I was wrong because we only get part 9 and the Whole Crystal Tower being bait to find people who hold a problem for the enemy so they could come and destory them was a great plan indeed.

[Chosen_Hero]

Chapter 2 part 9

That was a pretty cool battle, they defeated 4 kaiju sized Elements and the tower amd Kamijous' legend is now born in the garden and Tokiwadai.:heh:

And like always, just when Touma thinks everything is over it only gets worse. Pretty interesting that the sanctuary that was destroyed this time was Mikotos.

... wait... hold up, Tokiwadai was just destroyed not unlike Toumas' school right? And now Touma is temporarily attending a school that is both a middle school and a high school combined into one... if Kamachi does what I think this means then I want that volume, NOW. The legend of the spiky haired gentleman will continue.:heh:

[The One Above God]

“No, thank you.”
He kept it short so as to not provoke too extreme a reaction, but they started shrieking in excitement as they ran back to the group of girls. He was still having trouble deciding if he had gotten closer to them or farther away.
Kamijou Touma, making sheltered girls swoon one line at a time.

The fight with the Class 6 Elements up to the destruction of the Crystal Tower was awesome. Kinda like a Ranger/Mage and an Assassin in an RPG teaming up to beat boss class enemies :heh:.

That aside, that "oh shit!" moment by the end didn't surprise me all that much. With things going smoothly and the chapter already being the second one with some considerable length left, I knew something bad was gonna happen :heh:. Just didn't expect for the School Garden to be destroyed like that. Kamachi just destroyed another sanctuary, I see.

Anyway, with only the BTL left, we might get to half of Chapter 3 by tomorrow.

[zibi88]

All those Misaki parts are like adding salt to the wounds...didnt she suffered enough already...Touma should get his brain fixed somehow so he can at least remember her correctly. Yet I wonder if our mummy-girl would be able to fix Toumas brain...well she did heal Birdway sister on celular level while kinda using her dust to enter from within and heal and since she was a god this shouldnt be a problem.

I wonder if Touma will be captured by yuitsu...send to another dimension via WR or talk time will happen. Yuitsu might play the hostage game here too... like bring Kamisato to me or those girls will die.

Anyway it was nice to see that the girls slowly started to warm up to Touma...his "no, thank you" was nice as it pointed out that those girls were not a burden and did help somehow.

[dniv]

Does anyone know if JS06 is in school currently or something? I'm just wondering why it barely updated yesterday and hasn't updated yet today. It isn't that I'm ungrateful or anything. I just want to know what expectations to set for the release pace this time around so I'm not disappointed.

[DragonXX]

Does anyone know if JS06 is in school currently or something? I'm just wondering why it barely updated yesterday and hasn't updated yet today. It isn't that I'm ungrateful or anything. I just want to know what expectations to set for the release pace this time around so I'm not disappointed.

Well to what I usually see JS06, when on weekdays it seen he update later at night at least in my time zone and on Weekends JS06 seen to update 2 time on those days. JS06 also have days when JS06 does not update at all but I guess JS06 is just out doing something else but it usually what I said before about Weekdays and Weekends.

[dniv]

Well to what I usually see JS06, when on weekdays it seen he update later at night at least in my time zone and on Weekends JS06 seen to update 2 time on those days. JS06 also have days when JS06 does not update at all but I guess JS06 is just out doing something else but it usually what I said before about Weekdays and Weekends.

To be clear, for your timezone is it morning right now, afternoon, night? I want to get a register on when you expect it to come out lol.

[DragonXX]

To be clear, for your timezone is it morning right now, afternoon, night? I want to get a register on when you expect it to come out lol.

It night at about 9:20pm and there have bet times when update didn't come out until midnight.

[dniv]

It night at about 9:20pm and there have bet times when update didn't come out until midnight.

Okay. Well I'll believe you then. Im not sure when you sent that message, but it's about the same time for me as that right now lol.

[Last_Aeon]

NEW UPDATE!

Well, that was quite a twist about the heat stopping the *things*. Its like two factions fighting over each other and this is the story about the people who got caught in the crossfire

[mark1246]

Yeah js06 updates Midnight in my Florida time zone

But holy crap kamisato, you seem to change a 180 with your personality and for the hand....you guys will have to Read that part

[The One Above God]

Salome awkwardly looked away and distracted herself by snapping her white school swimsuit’s shoulder straps with her thumbs. She was like a small child sulking because her parents would not forgive her no matter how much she apologized. …Kamijou was not aware of it, but did he really have that frightening a look on his face?
Well if even a mass murderer flinches when talking with you, you probably have a very frightening one indeed.

So, the microwaves were caused by the Kamisato faction, huh? I thought it was also caused by Yuiitsu.

By the way, the whole exchange with Touma staring down at Kakeru and co. was great. Wish there was an illustration so I can form the image in my mind better. It's been a while after all since I last saw scary Touma. The last was v17, I think.

Also, scary Touma and him asking for help in a single chapter? This is madness! :heh:

[DragonXX]

Well if even a mass murderer flinches when talking with you, you probably have a very frightening one indeed.

So, the microwaves were caused by the Kamisato faction, huh? I thought it was also caused by Yuiitsu.

By the way, the whole exchange with Touma staring down at Kakeru and co. was great. Wish there was an illustration so I can form the image in my mind better. It's been a while after all since I last saw scary Touma. The last was v17, I think.

Also, scary Touma and him asking for help in a single chapter? This is madness! :heh:

You know well reading this the newest update. Which Touma being in a meat locker.
May me start thinking about Touma Second Death at the end of OT and how that was death by Water. Well Touma first death could be look at as death by air because of the feathers. Does this mean that Touma will end up having a death by Earth and Fire too, that will be call his third and fouth death.

Will Touma have to die by each of the four element before we get to the series ending?

Here a question do you think that Touma will suffer at least a Third Death in this series?
That will be call a Third death by Kamachi/Narrator like OT22's Second Death which we still don't know the meaning of?

[Marcus H.]

What if NT9 was a trial by fire?

[The One Above God]

Third death may come but probably at the end of the series. He either dies for good or returns once again

[WiliamZ0]

I'm still waiting for complete volume to out, But... this talking...
CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!

NEED TO READ!! And suffer waiting + suffer when it ends

Still won't care what would happened to Kamisato and his harem!

[LazyHunter]

Good job of Touma and Mikoto taking down the Class 6s and the Crystal Tower. Of course, things are never that simple. Touma changes groups again, now likely to team up with the Kamisato Faction to go after Yuiitsu, who's the mastermind behind the Elements. Nice to see Touma interact with Kakeru and Salome again. Touma can still fluster Salome with his comments, and even discipline her with his glares.:heh:

[Chosen_Hero]

Chapter 3 part 1 - 3

I really can't get myself to like Kamisato, must be because I tend to meet a lot of a-holes that I just can't stand him no matter what. At least his part wasn't as painful to read like in other volumes... at least not yet.

So they used the garden as bait for Yuuitsu just like how Yuuitsu used the crystal tower as bait to weed out those that can go up against her... pretty despicable of their part to do so and in my opinion just as horrible as anything Yuuitsu doing, if I was Touma I would be even more pissed off than Touma already is at the fact that they just joke around about people almost being killed just because the decided to wait.

[WiliamZ0]

Already read prologue to chapter 2

The first thing I noticed
Kamijou ... so many "L-lewd!!" moment :p
Well he is normal boy so I expected that, he surprisingly able to handle his hormone despite in girls-only school, smell lots of girl's body smell, etc etc. What is he, herbivore ?

- Poor Hamazura being chased like that by Elements. Why though?

- I know Kamijou have quite rational thinking, to think so calmly and avoiding conflict under such pressure is great point of him.

- I still wonder how this Akikawa look like. Give us her image please!!!

- I'm impressed Index have her own glory moment and Fukiyose actually on friendly term with her.

- Where's Tsuchimikado? And lol at Aogami, he still pervert to the end XD

- So many classes of Elements, the water-element octopus is quite smart one

- Wonder what happened to Touma's group after they left like that. Touma really thought them a lot

- Our immortal loli kill 3, but number 2 get 2X (6)

- Kamijou and A.A.A. this is something, to think Touma showed such distrust

- Queen's ship is back, so many moments :D

- So many pokings :3

- Middle school girls and stock price ... WOW as expected from Tokiwadai

- Kuroko steal the spotlight from Mikoto lol

- Kamijou Touma new title GET... Princess Carry Abductor

- Mikkoto nosebleed is really worrying. That AAA started giving bad influence to her ego too

- Kamijou Desease finally infected Tokiwadai. Even post-apocalypse scene could not stop TouMAN influence to grow further

- Shield? Considering what happened ... Kuroko, Mikoto might don't want to see you near her for a while :p

I read a bit Chapter 3. One thing to say, ALL of this happened because F***ing Kamisato, even these tortures. I still not forgive what he did to our badass Kihara dog. GTFO my Index!

[entei08]

Kamisato is just interesting to me. He's a dick who isn't a dick just because, like all the other crude rapey/elitist villains out there. He's also not the magnificent bastard type, though if I have to pick he would lean towards this side a bit more. It's like watching an insane person trying to protect the little sanity he has left, without realizing he was far in the deep end already.

Kamijou felt like her effort, conviction, and earnestness had been rejected.

This pretty much defines Kamisato's character. Combined with Touma's similar interpretation of WR in NT14, no wonder WR picks him. His whole existence rejects people's efforts, like how he drops out of nowhere and wipes out the magic gods like cake when Aleister has to bust his ass to get some results, or how he 'supposedly' reached Touma's level but was never shown the process, both intentional on Kamachi's part as seen in NT15's afterword.

He "saves" people so absurdly that it leaves a sour taste in people's mouth, but it would be foolish to disregard it as simple villainy. Just like Touma forces himself to swallow the microwave stunt, he knows he couldn't have done it any better, yet he will never accept Kamisato's way of doing things. This type of character interaction I like.

At the end of the day, yeah he's a dick, but I want to think he's more complex than that.

[dniv]

What if NT9 was a trial by fire?

Lol, stop Marcus. :heh:

Also, the thing I'm currently most curious about is actually what Aleister is doing. He and Yuuitsu are supposedly splitting up to go after Misaka and Kamisato separately. I feel like later on in this volume we're going to see some pretty shocking relevations on both ends concerning how they'll be trying to take those two out.

[zibi88]

I'm still waiting for complete volume to out, But... this talking...
CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!

NEED TO READ!! And suffer waiting + suffer when it ends

Still won't care what would happened to Kamisato and his harem!

Enjoy it slowly for longer period of time, than rush like crazy only to notice that you will need to wait another 3months...


Anyway I wonder if Touma will get to his school at the end of the volume at all xD (only to get a punch in the face by our black bikini girl, revived by car battery then gets bitten by index, scrached by cat and punched in nuts by othinus.... all becouse of their worrying as he didnt give any signs of life after they departed)

[Natsume01]

The two first chapters were really good.

- But really, is Kamachi trying to kill us with those Misaki moments? It's really hard. Makes me so sad.
What had happened to Misaka Mikoto and…? There had been someone else there, but he could not remember their name or what they looked like.
He already forgot everything about her.

@WilliamZ0
- Our immortal loli kill 3, but number 2 get 2X (6)
Who is the immortal loli?

- Queen's ship is back, so many moments
Whose ship? If by Queen you mean Misaki, then every time time the ship is back, it sink again. I hope this problem will just disappear. It's too cruel.

- Kamijou Desease finally infected Tokiwadai. Even post-apocalypse scene could not stop TouMAN influence to grow further
Not surprising, considering how he acts. He's a real HERO.

On a side note, can someone explain to me why exactly is he losing every memory with her? I mean, why only her and always.

Oh and also loved his moments with Salome. Sad she's with Kamisato.
And I'm glad Touma had to force himself to 'accept' the use of microwaves.

[dniv]

The two first chapters were really good.

- But really, is Kamachi trying to kill us with those Misaki moments? It's really hard. Makes me so sad.

He already forgot everything about her.

@WilliamZ0

Who is the immortal loli?


Whose ship? If by Queen you mean Misaki, then every time time the ship is back, it sink again. I hope this problem will just disappear. It's too cruel.


Not surprising, considering how he acts. He's a real HERO.

On a side note, can someone explain to me why exactly is he losing every memory with her? I mean, why only her and always.

Oh and also loved his moments with Salome. Sad she's with Kamisato.
And I'm glad Touma had to force himself to 'accept' the use of microwaves.

Well in NT 11 it was revealed that Kamijou's memories were fucked up when he almost died while trying to protect her. She managed to protect him by overusing her esper power, but as a result from some sort of meta-irony, he sort of ended up being unable to access any memoirs associated with her (or at least she's phased out of all memories he can access that normally would have included her). There's too much mental trauma associated with his body going into shock when she was desperately trying to save him. Something like that. So essentially his memories of her are either suppressed.

While he interacts with her, he uses his working memory I.e. Short term memory to hold conversation with her. Though, I think him calling her by name earlier in this volume confirms that it isn't that he has lost his memories of her but rather that he just can't access them and it may be something that can eventually be fixed by science tech.

This volume has weirded me out for a few reasons TBH. Kamijou has spent a lot of time freaking out about whether Misaka is okay on the side which makes me worried. Also, more than that, Kamijou quixkly noticed how Misaka was using magic (even if he didn't realize what was wrong at the time). To be honest, he has been acting strange all volume and even Salome called him out on having a quite savage expression. Maybe I'm misreading things on his end but it would be cool if this volume ends the same way Misaka got development last volume when Salome pointed out that she looked like she was going crazy.

The thing I'm most freaked out by is how strong Misaka has gotten lately. It's pretty worrying. I'm sure something very awful will happen soon.

[Last_Aeon]

The two first chapters were really good.

- But really, is Kamachi trying to kill us with those Misaki moments? It's really hard. Makes me so sad.

He already forgot everything about her.

@WilliamZ0

Who is the immortal loli?


Whose ship? If by Queen you mean Misaki, then every time time the ship is back, it sink again. I hope this problem will just disappear. It's too cruel.


Not surprising, considering how he acts. He's a real HERO.

On a side note, can someone explain to me why exactly is he losing every memory with her? I mean, why only her and always.

Oh and also loved his moments with Salome. Sad she's with Kamisato.
And I'm glad Touma had to force himself to 'accept' the use of microwaves.

Go read NT11. But If you want to know right away, then its because all *spoilers* of his 'connections' leading to the entity called 'Misaki' was destroyed. So his memory on the queen is still there but he can't reach it no matter what. And everytime he meets Misaki again, the memory was added to the 'Misaki' part. In which he can't reach.

[Natsume01]

@Last Aeon:
I did read it and I knew that. But I thought I had forgotten a part to why he couldn't remember.
But seems like I didn't. Thanks anyway.

But if it's just because he can't 'reach' it, I hope someone will heal him.
I mean, her scenes with him are so good they make you forget he'll forgot about it the instant he stops seeing her.

[dniv]

@Last Aeon:
I did read it and I knew that. But I thought I had forgotten a part to why he couldn't remember.
But seems like I didn't. Thanks anyway.

But if it's just because he can't 'reach' it, I hope someone will heal him.
I mean, her scenes with him are so good they make you forget he'll forgot about it the instant he stops seeing her.

Lol not sure if you didn't see my message or if you did and just ignored it... But I agree as well... And I gave a more thorough explanation... Lol. Yeah... :heh:

At least he doesn't dump the memories. He still definitely stores them. Like I said he called her Shokuhou before she told him her name this volume. But... Still... Is something that likely won't be fixed for a while.

[Chosen_Hero]

The two first chapters were really good.

- But really, is Kamachi trying to kill us with those Misaki moments? It's really hard. Makes me so sad.

He already forgot everything about her.

@WilliamZ0

Who is the immortal loli?


Whose ship? If by Queen you mean Misaki, then every time time the ship is back, it sink again. I hope this problem will just disappear. It's too cruel.


Not surprising, considering how he acts. He's a real HERO.

On a side note, can someone explain to me why exactly is he losing every memory with her? I mean, why only her and always.

Oh and also loved his moments with Salome. Sad she's with Kamisato.
And I'm glad Touma had to force himself to 'accept' the use of microwaves.

NT.11 explains it, he got critically injured protecting Misaki one year before and to save him she tried using her powers but all it did was crush part of his brain and the memories of her so he forgot and will always keep forgetting about her. To add insult to injury (mostly for her fans) by now it would be a massive asspull if he gets his memories back because:

1) When Kamachi cripples a character they stay like that for good and fixing Touma would only look like he is playing favorites.

2) Kamachi is a sadist.

3) After his brain was crushed by an esper power he got a healthy dose of vitamin Dragons' Breath (a magical spell) and got his memory wiped of everything except common knowledge, at this point when he reacts to her about feeling familiar around her it's because that is a remnant of those past memories, it's exactly how he felt right after the mindwipe with everyone around him the first time he met them again, a familiar feeling of being comfortable around them.

[Natsurin]

...I see a lot of people mentioning it here and there, but where did Touma call Misaki by her name? I ran a quick check even though I won't read NT16 until the full volume is out, amongst other things, and all instances of her name being used in a non-narrative way were from Mikoto's dialogues and not Touma's. :heh:

[Chosen_Hero]

...I see a lot of people mentioning it here and there, but where did Touma call Misaki by her name? I ran a quick check even though I won't read NT16 until the full volume is out, amongst other things, and all instances of her name being used in a non-narrative way were from Mikoto's dialogues and not Touma's. :heh:

He hasn't, heck, he can't those people must be imagining words.:heh:

[mark1246]

So just read the news part 4&5, ....ok I kno we have 1 more chapter & a epilogue left but does this volume seem shorter to you guys? It close to 400pgs, we had many scene like touma school, then misaka school, then kamisato, then last the crazy kihara lady, then done? Feel short do far to me

[dniv]

He hasn't, heck, he can't those people must be imagining words.:heh:

No, I'm pretty certain he said Shokuhou to Misaki and Misaki was like did you just say my name? And Touma was like ? And She then said not to get a girl's hopes up and then Misaka interrupted the coversation. I'll admit that who exactly was talking in each of those parts was somewhat ambiguous but if you think it through hard enough like I did then you can see it's relatively obvious that the full exchange happened between Touma and Misaki. Misaka was trying to change the topic of conversation for a reason after all. Also, the two of them were in conversation since they had just found Misaki there after heading to that place to talk more. I'll admit it's still vague, but seems pretty certain.

So just read the news part 4&5, ....ok I kno we have 1 more chapter & a epilogue left but does this volume seem shorter to you guys? It close to 400pgs, we had many scene like touma school, then misaka school, then kamisato, then last the crazy kihara lady, then done? Feel short do far to me

I expect next chapter to be relatively long. Also we still have 3 parts to chapter 3 left. Essentially, as I see it, none of the really interesting things have been revealed yet. We've seen yes the heatwave caused by Kamisato's group and Kihara Yuuitsu's actions. But I feel like it can't be that simple. I think that we're going to find out things like what her actual goal is, how she's trying to make it happen, and other things. I fully expect Touma and Misaka to have bad things happen to them this volume. There are lots of things that I'm essentially unable to predict right now about the volume. Either way, I do feel as if nothing much has happened yet, but I also feel as if a lot of things are going to happen very soon it that answers your question lol.

[Natsurin]

Racing Swimsuit Misaka Mikoto pushed aside the blonde girl’s coaster and spread out a map on the table. It was a detailed map of District 7 and colorful markers had drawn a large X and a few arrows leading to it.

Meanwhile, the blonde girl scooted her chair over to follow the coaster. It looked like an obedient act at first, but they were sitting at a round table. Moving around its perimeter would take her to the pointy-haired idiot.

“Shokuhou, I’m trying to have a serious discussion here.”

“How selfish can you be? You’re the one that drove me away and left me with no choice but to give up my spot. I’m sorry, Kamijou-san. Things might be cramped at such a small table, but try to put up with it.”

“I’m not sure why you need to move your chair right up against mine! And…”

“And?”

“ ‘Kamijou-san’? Did I tell you my name?” (Note the apostrophes around Kamijou-san)

The blond girl’s eyes widened in surprise at first, but then they narrowed slightly.

“You really are good at tugging at my heartstrings with even the most trivial comment. You haven’t changed at all.”

“???”

Kamijou tilted his head, but then Mikoto interrupted.

“Stop!! Back on topic!!”

Note that only Mikoto refers to her as "Shokuhou" with no honorific in their school, and it makes no sense for Touma to address her so informally when it's technically the "first" time he's met her even though he has a feeling he knows her. He's not that rude of a person.

Mikoto was the one calling out to Misaki and Touma only interrupted in confusion as to why Misaki knew his name until Mikoto set the discussion straight again.

[dniv]

Racing Swimsuit Misaka Mikoto pushed aside the blonde girl’s coaster and spread out a map on the table. It was a detailed map of District 7 and colorful markers had drawn a large X and a few arrows leading to it.

Meanwhile, the blonde girl scooted her chair over to follow the coaster. It looked like an obedient act at first, but they were sitting at a round table. Moving around its perimeter would take her to the pointy-haired idiot.

“Shokuhou, I’m trying to have a serious discussion here.”

“How selfish can you be? You’re the one that drove me away and left me with no choice but to give up my spot. I’m sorry, Kamijou-san. Things might be cramped at such a small table, but try to put up with it.”

“I’m not sure why you need to move your chair right up against mine! And…”

“And?”

“ ‘Kamijou-san’? Did I tell you my name?” (Note the apostrophes around Kamijou-san)

The blond girl’s eyes widened in surprise at first, but then they narrowed slightly.

“You really are good at tugging at my heartstrings with even the most trivial comment. You haven’t changed at all.”

“???”

Kamijou tilted his head, but then Mikoto interrupted.

“Stop!! Back on topic!!”

Note that only Mikoto refers to her as "Shokuhou" with no honorific in their school, and it makes no sense for Touma to address her so informally when it's technically the "first" time he's met her even though he has a feeling he knows her. He's not that rude of a person.

Mikoto was the one calling out to Misaki and Touma only interrupted in confusion as to why Misaki knew his name until Mikoto set the discussion straight again.

No see. I interpreted that conversation that way the first time. But I later changed my interpretation. In my opinion, Kamijou is the one that said Shokuhou to her not Misaka. Misaki said Kamijou-San to Kamijou because it isn't unusual for people when speaking Japanese to refer to the person they're speaking to as name-San. Moreover, it would explain why she had that weird reaction based on the name that wouldn't make sense otherwise, and more importantly it also accounts for the fact that she's explaining that she has to move her seat because Mikoto and Kamijou are both forcing her to move her seat. Anyway, my hypothesis is that this makes sense if when he said Shokuhou blah blah blah, his subconscious somehow broke through to how he used to speak. Either way, this seems to make more sense than the analysis in the other case where the line was said by Mikoto.

Never mind: saw your point about the apostrophes. Damn that was my bad. Thought I had found something nice. You're right. That interpretation for the dialogue seems quite natural after I try it.

[DragonXX]

No see. I interpreted that conversation that way the first time. But I later changed my interpretation. In my opinion, Kamijou is the one that said Shokuhou to her not Misaka. Misaki said Kamijou-San to Kamijou because it isn't unusual for people when speaking Japanese to refer to the person they're speaking to as name-San. Moreover, it would explain why she had that weird reaction based on the name that wouldn't make sense otherwise, and more importantly it also accounts for the fact that she's explaining that she has to move her seat because Mikoto and Kamijou are both forcing her to move her seat. Anyway, my hypothesis is that this makes sense if when he said Shokuhou blah blah blah, his subconscious somehow broke through to how he used to speak. Either way, this seems to make more sense than the analysis in the other case where the line was said by Mikoto.

Never mind: saw your point about the apostrophes. Damn that was my bad. Thought I had found something nice. You're right. That interpretation for the dialogue seems quite natural after I try it.

Well I think the volume 16-17 is a two-parter because of the spoilers about The End of the volume and when had the first part of a two-parter had a long of bad stuff happen in it until the very end and the spoilers of the end had a lot of huge stuff happen in it.

[zibi88]

N
Never mind: saw your point about the apostrophes. Damn that was my bad. Thought I had found something nice. You're right. That interpretation for the dialogue seems quite natural after I try it.

Nah the nice part is when touma wakes up in the freezer as he calls in the memories of misaka and ?... he knows there was a girl and he starts to notice that something is not right with him as he said himself that no matter how much he tries to remember her face it doesnt flow in. So its a good sign he noticed so maybe later on there is hope new pathways will be created from that dmg one and he starts to remember.

Yet i wonder if his memory of her survived that dragon breath memory wipe at the begginig... like if the section of the memory had been cut off then it should have no effect on that dmg part so later reconnecting it might allow to remember her from the past too.

[dniv]

Anyway, the one nice thing about this volume is that Saten was mentioned and this confirms that Railgun plot could potentially continue until now since Misaka still presumably hangs out with and worries about Kuroko and Uiharu in addition to Saten. :D

[Last_Aeon]

Nah the nice part is when touma wakes up in the freezer as he calls in the memories of misaka and ?... he knows there was a girl and he starts to notice that something is not right with him as he said himself that no matter how much he tries to remember her face it doesnt flow in. So its a good sign he noticed so maybe later on there is hope new pathways will be created from that dmg one and he starts to remember.

Yet i wonder if his memory of her survived that dragon breath memory wipe at the begginig... like if the section of the memory had been cut off then it should have no effect on that dmg part so later reconnecting it might allow to remember her from the past too.

Well Misaki's memory was disconnected from the original memory. So I think its intact.

[Natsume01]

@dniv: I'm really sorry, I didn't saw it when I refreshed the page.
Thanks to all for the explanations (well, like I said I remembered that much, I just thought I had forgotten something about why it was only her.)

@Chosen Hero: I guess so. But even with those reasons, I hope he'll remember her.
But I guess there's no way he could remember things from before (Dragon's Breath). Maybe his memories with her remain, though.

Oh, I guess there won't be a volume about Kumokawa-senpai before a while (if there is).

[Loremaster]

As promised here is my reactions for what happened so far in this volume. I'll even include the cover for added effect as the question is a serious one.

Well I'll only post reactions up to chapter 2.

And will tackle chapter 3 once it's complete.



Poor Touma he is trying to answer the biggest question known to man more than even the answer to the meaning of life in the universe.

Arse or Titties?

https://baka-tsuki.org/project/images/1/10/NT_vol_16.jpg



However, the digital temperature display on a building wall was stuck at 55 degrees Celsius. It was something like an empty cicada skin at this point, so who could say how much further the temperature had risen.
The intense heat wave made it feel like being trapped in a stone stove full of residual heat. I felt hot reading this moment. o.o

Anyone who touched the ground would die.
Killer ground is killer.

They were carrying fifty kilogram weights, which was like carrying a small girl around. Those weights were the mineral water left in a large drug store. All of the visible shelves had long since been wiped out, but in the back office, they had found a few Daruma doll-like plastic tanks for the water dispenser.
The Prologue has so much to respond to lol but seriously I pasted this entire bit for context but you know. This makes it sounds like this guy has experience carrying little girls. :heh:

“Just so you know, they use ladders to cross crevasses on Everest.”
That actually might be true, but I only seen this in movies so I'm not entirely sure.

“If we choose the safest routes, we might run across an ambush of people after that water you’re carrying.”
Suddenly we're in Fallout but with far more prettier people.

The world had changed in just three days. A ridiculously unnatural heat wave had attacked Academy City and all of the electricity and plumbing had been knocked out almost too easily. The city had a set of values that generally made class divisions based on academic ability and income, but that had collapsed and something else had risen to take its place.
I knew it Academy city has turned into a Fallout game. But all this damage and just destruction, it's obvious to me Aleister is allowing this to happen but also just how much damage has this city taken in the last few months? I mean sure I know the city is like 10-15 years ahead in technology. But can they honestly rebuild so fast? Or am I not the only one who saw the ludicrous destruction caused by the Invasion arc among other events.

Academy city should be a complete wreck.

This was a serious situation with lives on the line, but Fukiyose ended up sticking up the soft butt contained inside her black bikini bottom. On top of that, the heat meant there was plenty of sweat dripping down her inner thighs, so it made for quite a juicy scene.
Aogami Pierce put on a serious expression as he carried another of the spare water dispenser bottles.
“I’m sorry, Kami-yan. I don’t think I can hide it while wearing a swimsuit.”
“Cough, cough! Bear with it, boy!! I doubt those girls would understand our struggle!!”
:heh: I love this guy.

A Tokiwadai Middle School girl’s face flashed through the back of his mind.
Was she doing all right in this hell? While she was Academy City’s #3 Level 5, that did not seem like it meant much as far as direct physical strength, water, and stamina were concerned.
(I can still worry about others. Does that mean I’m still human?) I think it's because you actually worry about the poor girl and heres the amusing thing. Sure she might only be in his mind due to that warning. But it's good to see Touma sees her more as just a girl than a super powered monster.

I think this outlook on her is going to be important later on.

Black Bikini Fukiyose was lying defenselessly beyond the three meter Flower Mantis. Simply sharing the same space as an Element numbed his mind with a premonition of death. Could he get past the Flower Mantis, reach her, and then escape to the distant “elevator”? Oh that mental images are wonderful.

Plus, if he could just touch it with his right hand, he could one-shot the Element itself.
But its movements were too deadly, so he could easily be torn to pieces the instant he tried to face it one-on-one. So Elements are DeathClaws from fallout confirmed.

Could this be outside the real timeline?
Is my life flashing before my eyes? Am I lying in bed and desperately thinking back over my most recent memories?
These lines actually bother me and will probably mean something later on.





When he shook his unsteady head and looked around, he saw Fukiyose in her black bikini and Aogami Pierce in his swim trunks. Frighteningly enough, teary-eyed Fukiyose held large crocodile clips in her hands. The cables were connected to a car battery that had swelled out like a black melon.
“Y-you’ve got to be kidding me. I’m not an ecofriendly hybrid…” Those mental images but nope there is an illustration to go with it. Poor Touma :heh:

“This is about more than just the school for me. It’s about Index, Othinus, and the calico cat too. Those freeloaders from my dorm are a drain on the resources here. I have to repay them for accepting those three.” Confirmed all three are on equal footing in Touma's mind. I'm sure this caused some disturbance in the off site shipping wars.

Part 2

I'll be honest most of my mind has been numbed by the fact Index is working to help out. Take the free loader thing back Touma, she doesn't deserve that name for now at least.

(I’m seriously worried about Misaka. But our phones don’t work, so I have no way of contacting her.)
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(I just hope Misaka wasn’t tricked too…)
2 times this chapter alone he thought about Misaka. But should he really be worried and is it really for her safety? He knows she can handle her self and I don't care what anyone says she fought well against the Magic god in NT13. She was being toyed with but her actions in that novel were outstanding in the face of such an uncertain enemy.

So I think this isn't just concern for her safety, mostly focused more about the warning from last novel. But Touma actually cares for the girl, maybe like the same with Index and Othinus but this is like the first time in recent memory he is showing actual concern for Misaka.

Maybe because most of this time he saw her as someone strong, the 3rd ranked level five. But now he seeing her just as a girl? Is this hinted sexism? I might have implied sexism. Oh god what am I saying *facepalm*

(A winged…demon…) Foreshadowing... wooooo



“Sorry about that. I’m not obligated to do so, but I like to help defeat the Elements when I see a request for assistance. I’d like to know if Uiharu-san and Saten-san are okay, but finding them hasn’t been easy. So to help protect anyone I know, I’ve been working to eliminate as many of the Elements as possible in this area. So…huh? How much had I told you?”

Shes doing this for a good reason but shes flaunting her power. Yes Misaka always had this arrogant tone, but she was also down to earth type of person. But shes slowly changing and I can see it the most in this line alone. It's ringing my alarm bells.

Hasn't she even listerned to the magic god girls in NT13? I hope shes not accepting herself to become a bigger monster.

He recalled the steel winged demon flying through the night sky and the Elements being turned to Swiss cheese after looking like such a hopeless obstacle.
This girl could pull that off.
This was not one-on-one hand-to-hand combat where either side could die. Countless shells had rained down and wiped them all out with no friendly fire damage whatsoever.

And this is why I don't take power levels seriously in this series. Each person has a strength in a certain typical of field in battle or warfare. But this is really playing on what we all knew all this time. Level fives are amazing against armies, but not OP magic gods and Accelerator.

I still retain the postion she could of done wonders in open warfare against a group of people. Though shes often held back from killing people in response.

“I don’t know where you were hiding before, but if it doesn’t have the equipment to heal you, I’m not taking you back there. Come with me. If you want to let them know you’re all right, you need to make sure you really are all right first.”



Come with me and let me take you to see my people. :heh: Also Misaka casually saving Touma's life. I'm sure this is a cliche somewhere in this scene.

He started to fall forward, so Mikoto gently grabbed his shoulders with her armored hands and supported him.
She then whispered in his ear.
“And based on what we’re planning, it might be best for your friends if you come with us. You might end up saving them.”

She so damn confident in a serious situation. I'm loving this chapter's interactions already.

“This is like a new club. I had a garage prepared and leave the constructed device there. These girls can handle the maintenance on their own.”
“Oh, wow. There are girls in swimsuits everywhere. Talk about pressure…”
What is this I don't even, let me join this club it sounds amazing.

In that case, why had Misaka Mikoto felt the need to build up that kind of firepower in the original, peaceful world? The answer to this will be very important later.

Why does Misaka’s swimsuit bother me more than anyone else’s? wondered Kamijou with a tilt of the head.
The line that caused the great shipping war off site. Some say it might be due to AAA, but he has already acknowledged the machine many times. He might be bothered by the sudden contrast between girl in swimsuit and that deadly winged demon machine.

He has now again see her just as a Girl. Maybe that's bothering him that shes taking up this burden on her own? Either way that warning has made Touma see Misaka in a new light.

No matter how you describe it and this doesn't mean love but it can be used for a set up. But knowing Kamachi being a sadist it's not likely the case.

“(I mean, misfortune follows you wherever you go, doesn’t it? Shouldn’t you be suspicious when the perfect solution just falls into your lap?)”
Shut up!! Shut up!! You omen of the end times! And the ironic twist of this statement will be known later.

An instant later, a dragon-like blast of ultra-high pressure water shot through the sky and struck Misaka Mikoto.
Ermm Misaka?

Kamijou Touma and Misaka Mikoto turned around in unison.
But it was too late.
The true threat had silently snuck up behind them and it swallowed up the entire world… Just what the total hell.

And that will be it, sure I missed many great interactions and possible quips but this entire chapter has been great. From the two level five interactions to the absurd Elements of crocodiles and all sorts. But also to the princess carry of Kuroko and that Misaka wants to be carried the same way.

:heh:

This entire chapter was basically shipping bait but it offered great interaction which really made the novel so far really great. The issue I find with NT in general that it has introduced a swath of characters I'm struggling to like as the biggest of them has only been here since NT13. It's the interactions with the main group from OT which really boosted the quality of writing and just enjoyment for me in this chapter.

Also am I the only one noticing the many head tilts? Shaffftt!




Now until chapter 3 is fully tanslated.

[Stark700]

Oh God, this volume cracked me up a bit. Misaka entering the scenes with racing swimsuit will be something I won't forget for awhile.

Same with the part when he princess carried Kuroko.

[DragonXX]

You know December have bet the worst month for Touma so far when it come to him having break between problems. So far he had only had Dec. 2 and Dec.6 off. Out of Dec.1-Dec.9 as of now in NT16.

[dniv]

Oh God, this volume cracked me up a bit. Misaka entering the scenes with racing swimsuit will be something I won't forget for awhile.

Same with the part when he princess carried Kuroko.

Lol, what's the difference between a racing swimsuit and her normal swimwear? Can someone explain me the difference? Pardon my ignorance. :eyespin:





Suddenly we're in Fallout but with far more prettier people.


I knew it Academy city has turned into a Fallout game. But all this damage and just destruction, it's obvious to me Aleister is allowing this to happen but also just how much damage has this city taken in the last few months? I mean sure I know the city is like 10-15 years ahead in technology. But can they honestly rebuild so fast? Or am I not the only one who saw the ludicrous destruction caused by the Invasion arc among other events.

Academy city should be a complete wreck.



I haven't actually played any of the fall out games, but if you don't mind elaborating what sorts of things you found similar in both, that'd be great. :D


I think it's because you actually worry about the poor girl and heres the amusing thing. Sure she might only be in his mind due to that warning. But it's good to see Touma sees her more as just a girl than a super powered monster.

I think this outlook on her is going to be important later on.



I don't know. I originally was put off that he thought her survival skills were so poor. :eyespin: Yes, Touma you freaking survived WWIII on your own and so on, but that's because you're like a cockroach. I don't think that's a very fair comparison lol. Misaka Mikoto did a fine job of trying to take care of herself during Railgun S. I think he underestimates her a bit too much. I was also honestly weirded out by the fact that he was thinking about her specifically rather than concerning any of the other people that he knows in AC. Why her specifically? It felt a bit strange to me. Wouldn't Kanou Shinka seem as weak as Misaka to Touma? :heh: Or it a matter of heroes being all around AC so it isn't a problem? Still, it bothers me specifically because he should know that Misaka is strong. She IS a level five. She IS someone that can do a lot on her own. Of course, for the following reason, I ultimately forgive Touma for talking/thinking about her like this, and can make some relative sense of it.

Since none of this adds up correctly, I've been tempted to read it in a way that isn't that he is literally worried about Misaka's survival ability (wow Misaki stop doing this to me) more than anyone else... but rather, he's reflecting on the past few days, and he's remembering how she seemed extremely weird back at the end of NT 15, and he's probably feeling guilty about his inability to reach out to her at that time. What's most interesting to me is that he is able to think about her even when he's this exhausted from all of his other obligations. I'm tempted to say that Misaka is indeed managing to unknowingly put herself just barely on his radar (not romantically, but at least emotionally with respect to caring about her).

As an aside though, I'm still surprised we haven't heard anything about his fear towards the entity in his right hand... I wonder if there's a reason for that... Though I suppose there doesn't really need to be one:

After thinking about Saint Germain from NT 12, I've begun to conjecture that Touma has some similarities in his cognitive style to Saint Germain. He can only function in the way that he does because he ignores past events that have happened to him and because he is able to treat them as if they don't exist until they become relevant again. He is always so focused on his daily life that he doesn't pursue any of the supernatural stuff too far, and this always seems to keep him alive somehow. I just find that aspect of his personality interesting because 1. it means that it's pretty likely that something made his personality this way and 2. it means that someone like that is necessary to be able to wield Imagine Breaker. (You can't seek out trouble. It has to come find you.)



These lines actually bother me and will probably mean something later on.



I thought that as well initially, but it seems less likely to me right now. Still, it'll be interesting if we find out that the chronology of these events aren't the same as what we originally imagined they were for some reason like that.



Confirmed all three are on equal footing in Touma's mind. I'm sure this caused some disturbance in the off site shipping wars.

I'll be honest most of my mind has been numbed by the fact Index is working to help out. Take the free loader thing back Touma, she doesn't deserve that name for now at least.


I'll admit. Index working was pretty surprising lol. Though, I'll say, I think the order in which he thought the names matters. Index>Othinus>Calico Cat. :eyespin: Of course, it doesn't mean much, but how you narratively frame your thoughts can make a difference in small subtle ways. (Then again, I shouldn't exactly be using Nisekoi as a good source for how to tell how much love you hold for someone. :uhoh: ) Also, for some reason, I'm getting a vibe telling me that something will happen to her soon. Don't ask me why... I think I can just kind of sense it. Whether this book or next book... I expect something to happen to Index.


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2 times this chapter alone he thought about Misaka. But should he really be worried and is it really for her safety? He knows she can handle her self and I don't care what anyone says she fought well against the Magic god in NT13. She was being toyed with but her actions in that novel were outstanding in the face of such an uncertain enemy.

So I think this isn't just concern for her safety, mostly focused more about the warning from last novel. But Touma actually cares for the girl, maybe like the same with Index and Othinus but this is like the first time in recent memory he is showing actual concern for Misaka.

Maybe because most of this time he saw her as someone strong, the 3rd ranked level five. But now he seeing her just as a girl? Is this hinted sexism? I might have implied sexism. Oh god what am I saying *facepalm*



LOOOOL. Touma is rather sexist so I don't know. I mean, at least, even though he is sexist, he still accepts everyone and everything. He just prefers women that are more feminine (perhaps) and himself to be more domineering (perhaps) from the looks of things. That being said, Touma's opinions about Misaka are interesting and strange enough to me that I'm going to review them after the volume is over to figure out what they actually represent because I can tell you that I'm sure Kamachi wouldn't just make him randomly think about her to foreshadow something bad happening to her. That's not his style. Something must be going on in Touma's psyche to make this happen, and I'm going to get to the bottom of it. :heh:

Also, as far as Misaka. It might be that Misaka has never known about Magic. It might be that Touma has never taken her seriously before, but this is her chance to prove herself to him somehow... I'm not sure if that's it, but it may be that.



Shes doing this for a good reason but shes flaunting her power. Yes Misaka always had this arrogant tone, but she was also down to earth type of person. But shes slowly changing and I can see it the most in this line alone. It's ringing my alarm bells.

Hasn't she even listerned to the magic god girls in NT13? I hope shes not accepting herself to become a bigger monster.



Hmm. I see this as her character development arc. This is the arc where she tries to do everything herself so as to be more useful as a person. Of course, that means that she is regressing again. However, I don't blame her... The high priest himself pointed out that she was useless and Touma's defense of her probably didn't make her feel any better at the time. He sort of f'ed up there.

I think this reflects her current obsession with power. Clearly, the nosebleed foreshadows magic getting to her. Something unnerving is how easily she is getting these upgraded abilities. It seems like a bit much. It even mentioned previously in passing how the support of her entire personal reality might be overwritten slowly, which to me sounds like pretty dark foreshadowing.

Right now her main weakness is that she won't talk to Touma about her problems, well because she can't. I'm at least happy to see her getting some character development this volume that--even if it is driven by getting stronger for Touma--seems to be changing how she does things in an interesting way.


And this is why I don't take power levels seriously in this series. Each person has a strength in a certain typical of field in battle or warfare. But this is really playing on what we all knew all this time. Level fives are amazing against armies, but not OP magic gods and Accelerator.

I still retain the postion she could of done wonders in open warfare against a group of people. Though shes often held back from killing people in response.


This is true. It's always about ideology, battle style, and situation. Never about absolute power levels. It's just that some individuals have ideologies and battle styles that seem to transcend almost all situations. (Aleister, Magic Gods, Laura).


Come with me and let me take you to see my people. :heh: Also Misaka casually saving Touma's life. I'm sure this is a cliche somewhere in this scene.


She so damn confident in a serious situation. I'm loving this chapter's interactions already.



This also bothered me. I can't tell her real feelings here. Is she faking being nonchalant? Is she trying to become nonchalant so she is acting that way? What exactly is going on here? I want to see things from her perspective at some point. I hope something in this volume reveals things more clearly...

It felt awkward considering how much of a big deal was placed on her just managing to beat him once in a fight in NT 10...


The line that caused the great shipping war off site. Some say it might be due to AAA, but he has already acknowledged the machine many times. He might be bothered by the sudden contrast between girl in swimsuit and that deadly winged demon machine.

He has now again see her just as a Girl. Maybe that's bothering him that shes taking up this burden on her own? Either way that warning has made Touma see Misaka in a new light.

No matter how you describe it and this doesn't mean love but it can be used for a set up. But knowing Kamachi being a sadist it's not likely the case.



Lol, definitely sadist. Don't expect anything else. :p But really though, I have a feeling that it means more than that. It can't just be that simple. I don't think it is romantic.

In my opinion, it's a parallel to his comment that Othinus looks better or completely normal just wearing a swimsuit while he feels pretty opposite about Misaka. Othinus is powerful, a Goddess, so it isn't strange for her to dress like that. But Misaka is doing it, because she's being forced to by circumstances. Regardless of how much power she acquires from weapons and esper ability, she's still probably just as frail as any other normal girl her age.

My guess is that something like that is his thought process. But... it may indeed be something else. Like he is reacting to the A.A.A. doing something to her. However, I really can't tell... it's hard to analyze why he feels that way about her swimsuit in contrast to Othinus.


This entire chapter was basically shipping bait but it offered great interaction which really made the novel so far really great. The issue I find with NT in general that it has introduced a swath of characters I'm struggling to like as the biggest of them has only been here since NT13. It's the interactions with the main group from OT which really boosted the quality of writing and just enjoyment for me in this chapter.

Also am I the only one noticing the many head tilts? Shaffftt!




Hmm... I don't know. I agree that a lot of the character interactions with newer characters has been weaker. But like always, I believe that has to do with the characters' lack of development lol. It would be different if Kamachi weren't trying to develop those undeveloped characters in those situations, but since he is, they feel less good IMO. Still, I agree, this chapter had some excellent shipping bait lol, and I truly loved the Misaki stuff.


As a last point, I saw some really interesting things in multiple areas throughout the first few chapters. I'm also intrigued as to how Misaki knows so much about Touma. It's ironic because she's so fearful about what she doesn't know about others, while with Touma, she knows everything about him even though she can't read his thoughts at all... it's quite strange... But it definitely works out well romantically.

[Natsurin]

I swear I'm not stalking you, dniv, I just keep finding things to reply to as NT16's translation comes closer to being done by the day. :heh:

But as far as Mikoto goes... Well, Touma didn't see her fighting against fate in the Sisters Arc like we did, what he saw was a crying girl so desperate to end that madness that she'd turn towards suicide to do it and we all know that once someone thinks that, it's that they really reached a point of usual no return and breakdown (which he also witnessed). It makes sense that Touma would be worried about her not only because Salome warned him to pay attention to her (it was stated that him not being concerned about that warning would be a lie and was proven when he checked the storehouse to see if Mikoto was still there because of the bad feeling he had gained towards her earlier in the volume) but also because Touma has a promise to keep towards Etzali* and that's keeping Mikoto and her world safe.

He hasn't seen the things we've seen as readers (remember, always view a situation from the POV of any given character), all he's seen is a girl on the verge of a mental breakdown after a traumatic experience that left her blaming herself for things she shouldn't (up until this very day) and even if NT13 made him affirm just how strong she was in a different way than his usual companions, there are just some things he can't shake off like his NT15 concern. Not to mention that it's not like Touma never worried about Mikoto before, it's just that nothing was ever as alarming to him as this up until now.

He knows Mikoto is strong, yes, but he knows that she's also weak at times and can't carry everything by herself which, having a similar personality to his, is something she tries to do far too much.

I also think that the notion of "she's strong, she's a Level 5 and we've seen her pull through before" is a reason why things became like this since, bringing back the theme of arrogance, her story is fairly centred about the different aspects of "power": how not everyone is granted one no matter their efforts and believing otherwise is nothing short of arrogant, how even the strong have shortcoming they just can't get over, and how that's fine and they don't need to seek more power at the cost of self-destruction. She's simply a fourteen year old girl too high on a power-trip right now so it's not unreasonable that the person with the personality most resembling her own (at least in altruistic terms) would try to help her through her issues and have her crawl out of those self-destructing shells of hers when he notices them no matter how hypocritical he may be.

*= Etzaliiiiiiiiiii? Touma kinda broke his promise at this point and Mikoto's world is starting to show cracks before impending crumbling, where are youuuuuuu? :heh:

[Kuroageha]

Crowbar huh?

Half Life 3 when?

[BladeMancer]

Crowbar huh?

Half Life 3 when?
Silly, valve can't count to 3
Neither can any anime studio when it comes to index :mad:

[zibi88]

Well Kamisato has few ideas but well not everyone could spend safe time in a market picking up stuff to fight with especially when he has 100strong girls around to protect his ass.

Touma was with all level0 and with no supply's so no wonder they couldnt fight that much... our rich girls could mostly do that too if there was no surprise attack of a whole army instantly.

Well if Touma was surrounder by 100 girls of his own faction then things would be different too xD from magicians to saints to gods xD

[DragonXX]

This again shows a good different between Kamisato and Touma again. Kamisato plan out lots of things before hand well Touma plan in the moment what to do next.
Sorry Kamisato you have lost the right to call yourself a Normal Highschooler even more then Touma which the stuff you just pull in this chapter.

When will Touma and Kamisato come to understand they are not Normal Highschoolers.

[Chosen_Hero]

Wait, no, no, no, sorry, I can't I had to stop in the middle of reading, I just can't. First of all, I hate how this all of a sudden turned into the Kamisato show, couldn't Kamachi have left it at him finally realizing how much of an idiot he was? You ruined it Kamachi, I was finally warming up to him with that conversation but you ruined it.

Second, are you telling me that all of a sudden the girls in his harem can effortlessly fight off the Kaijus? All of them? And that Kamisota can defeat them by using random items? Nope, sorry but no, I don't care how much more knowledge they have on the Elements this is all waaaayyyyyy too convinient. I'm personally not enjoying this part, convinience in stories are one of my pet peeeves and this is pushing it to a new degree, I don't care howuch you want to set up your antagonists (or whatever you want to classify Kamisato) this is just unbelievable even for this kind of story.

(... will update as soon as I calm down enough to finish reading what is currently translated)

Edit:

Just finished reading and nope, sorry I can't like it has recently been happening Kamisato and his damn harem has ruined the volume for me, no, just no.


Apart from that Touma once again missed the obvious when Kamisato talked about Noukan. As for "the promise" with Etzalí, all we know is that Etzalí asked him to promise and that Touma said something to him (at least from what I remember), and Etzalís response could have been used for many different kinds of responses (ex. Touma: "I already was I don't need you to ask me to promise you" or "I already made myself that promise long ago", etc).

[dniv]

Natsurin. I'll give you a full response later like you deserve.

Now as far as part 5. I really liked it. Yes, people will continue to dislike seeing Kamisato in this type of story, but I enjoy it. It's precisely because many of us are strong Touma fans that we sort of hate what Kamisato is and what he stands for. But to be honest, in many ways, Kamisato is like Kamijou except literally opposite lol. This was sort of presented at the beginning of his introduction. So I like him. It's also nice to see him being powerful even without his right arm. And I can actually understand why he is powerful. He's given so much information about what to do, but not only that, he had this super OP weapon that led him to take action and plunge himself into all of the situations and as a result of going through that as long as he still has the right information and time to prepare then he is capable of doing things. I have to say though, he isn't nearly as pure as Touma. He's a pretty dark person lol.

I much prefer Touma's way of doing things even if Kamisato has some necessary realism in how he does things. At the same time, I think that what Kamachi wanted to emphasize this chapter which was actually somethint that I really wanted to agree with is that lots of people have always dreamed of being in heroic situations and doing things. What stops them is 1. Not being in the right place at the right time. 2. Not knowing what to do or how to act. 3. In the moment not being able to take the actions in the same way a hero would. However, if you look at Kamisato's point he explains why the desires of regular high schoolers correlate to regular people being able to do great things as long as they're placed in the right situations with the right information. It's particularly interesting because Touma is the sort of person who would agree with that sort or outlook but he doesn't because of Kamisato's style.

Anyway, I thought the whole Kamisato looks cool thing was super cheesy. But I still really enjoyed it. I have a feeling that in a few volumes I'll maybe respect Kamisato enough to consider him one of Touma's Bro's. In the meantime, I'll just prefer Salome lol.

I wonder if Touma noticed anything about Noukan. I don't think he has enough information to do so though... Does he even know who Noukan is...?

[Last_Aeon]

Natsurin. I'll give you a full response later like you deserve.

Now as far as part 5. I really liked it. Yes, people will continue to dislike seeing Kamisato in this type of story, but I enjoy it. It's precisely because many of us are strong Touma fans that we sort of hate what Kamisato is and what he stands for. But to be honest, in many ways, Kamisato is like Kamijou except literally opposite lol. This was sort of presented at the beginning of his introduction. So I like him. It's also nice to see him being powerful even without his right arm. And I can actually understand why he is powerful. He's given so much information about what to do, but not only that, he had this super OP weapon that led him to take action and plunge himself into all of the situations and as a result of going through that as long as he still has the right information and time to prepare then he is capable of doing things. I have to say though, he isn't nearly as pure as Touma. He's a pretty dark person lol.

I much prefer Touma's way of doing things even if Kamisato has some necessary realism in how he does things. At the same time, I think that what Kamachi wanted to emphasize this chapter which was actually somethint that I really wanted to agree with is that lots of people have always dreamed of being in heroic situations and doing things. What stops them is 1. Not being in the right place at the right time. 2. Not knowing what to do or how to act. 3. In the moment not being able to take the actions in the same way a hero would. However, if you look at Kamisato's point he explains why the desires of regular high schoolers correlate to regular people being able to do great things as long as they're placed in the right situations with the right information. It's particularly interesting because Touma is the sort of person who would agree with that sort or outlook but he doesn't because of Kamisato's style.

Anyway, I thought the whole Kamisato looks cool thing was super cheesy. But I still really enjoyed it. I have a feeling that in a few volumes I'll maybe respect Kamisato enough to consider him one of Touma's Bro's. In the meantime, I'll just prefer Salome lol.

I wonder if Touma noticed anything about Noukan. I don't think he has enough information to do so though... Does he even know who Noukan is...?

Plot twist, Nouken is Touma's dog before he loses his memories

[WiliamZ0]

Plot twist, Nouken is Touma's dog before he loses his memories

IT would be AMAZING plot twist ever told XD

[Chosen_Hero]

Since I can't sleep after having read that I feel that I need to explain why that part put me off so much as to not just seem like i'm hating to hate.

Ok, let's go back to the beginning, remember how the Elements had semi intelligence and surprisingly used tactics? The first Elements were smart enough to cover for each other, one stayed invisible and surprise attacked Touma while he was focused on the other. Then in the water department there was the wind Element that attacked them before they could even react throwing them into the grasp of the water Element who then used the evaporated water to its advantage to try and destroy it's targets, again, a pretty surprising use of tactics. Later, when they went to attack the crystal tower the Kaiju sized Element took down the most immediate threat (Mikoto and the AAA) and then quickly marked Touma and the Tokiwadai girls as the next threat and without a second thought opened fire on them. Then when Touma was trying to get closer to it usong the rooftops it tried to corner him by destroying alternate path ways along with the roofs themselves until Touma got cornered by the falling Element. Now notice how they only reason most of those failed was because Mikoto and the AAA (an unprecedented threat) intervened and how Touma left each of those fights with bruises and/or having almost died.

So where did all of that go for this fight? Why did the Elements conviniently seem to have forgotten how to surprise attack people? Why did they just drop their invisibility and either stood there like chumps or just rushed forward blindly like mob characters? Why not have some Elements stay invisible and while the girls and Kamisato are busy attack them by surprise showing them how difficult it truly is to fight them?

Now, I know somethings are going to be brought up so let me answer them quickly, so if KIHARA Yuuitsu is the one controlling them and guiding them then what the hell happened? Did she all of a sudden become stupid? Did she forget how to formulate tactics on the fly? Did she get scaredor nervous at the sight of them? No, no, no and NO. This is a Kihara they are dealing with, those fuckers even when they find themselves with their backs against a wall they always have the advantage and always have a backup for their backups backup. Also they are the smartest fuckers in all of AC so a lapse in judgement on their part is next to none existent.

Now you could say, "maybe they jammed her connection the the Elements", okay then explain how? Even they didn't know until right that moment (or at least theorized in that moment) that she was using those mini crystal tower looking things to probably get information amd communicate with them so again, how would that be possible?

Next someone might say "But the point is to contrast Touma and Kamisato's way of handling them", and my response would be: then why not wait until they reach the windowless building and when they found a way inside of the hideout show Kamisato use the things he brought with him on different occasions as a way to progress through said hideout instead of blowing his load in one fell swoop just to show him dominating them? Now I also know that some one will say that Touma does things just as unbelievable, and to that I will say that while yes he has done some pretty unbelievable things he always has suffered throught it and earned the right to pull off such stunts since everytime he fights it actually feels like his life is on the line and it never goes this perfectly or this convinient, not once, not ever.

While I love NT (and up to this point I was loving this volume), I draw the line on this kind of convinience just happening for the sake of just happening 'cause "normal everyday highschooler you can find anywhere"... fuck off with that bullshit line and next time try and make the situation much more coherent with the rest of the volume.

... I really needed to get that off of my chest, this whole Kamisato bullshit broke the camels' back for me personally, I can't wait for Kamachi to finally get rid of him and have him join in the ranks of forgotten characters.

[DragonXX]

Since I can't sleep after having read that I feel that I need to explain why that part put me off so much as to not just seem like i'm hating to hate.

Ok, let's go back to the beginning, remember how the Elements had semi intelligence and surprisingly used tactics? The first Elements were smart enough to cover for each other, one stayed invisible and surprise attacked Touma while he was focused on the other. Then in the water department there was the wind Element that attacked them before they could even react throwing them into the grasp of the water Element who then used the evaporated water to its advantage to try and destroy it's targets, again, a pretty surprising use of tactics. Later, when they went to attack the crystal tower the Kaiju sized Element took down the most immediate threat (Mikoto and the AAA) and then quickly marked Touma and the Tokiwadai girls as the next threat and without a second thought opened fire on them. Then when Touma was trying to get closer to it usong the rooftops it tried to corner him by destroying alternate path ways along with the roofs themselves until Touma got cornered by the falling Element. Now notice how they only reason most of those failed was because Mikoto and the AAA (an unprecedented threat) intervened and how Touma left each of those fights with bruises and/or having almost died.

So where did all of that go for this fight? Why did the Elements conviniently seem to have forgotten how to surprise attack people? Why did they just drop their invisibility and either stood there like chumps or just rushed forward blindly like mob characters? Why not have some Elements stay invisible and while the girls and Kamisato are busy attack them by surprise showing them how difficult it truly is to fight them?

Now, I know somethings are going to be brought up so let me answer them quickly, so if KIHARA Yuuitsu is the one controlling them and guiding them then what the hell happened? Did she all of a sudden become stupid? Did she forget how to formulate tactics on the fly? Did she get scaredor nervous at the sight of them? No, no, no and NO. This is a Kihara they are dealing with, those fuckers even when they find themselves with their backs against a wall they always have the advantage and always have a backup for their backups backup. Also they are the smartest fuckers in all of AC so a lapse in judgement on their part is next to none existent.

Now you could say, "maybe they jammed her connection the the Elements", okay then explain how? Even they didn't know until right that moment (or at least theorized in that moment) that she was using those mini crystal tower looking things to probably get information amd communicate with them so again, how would that be possible?

Next someone might say "But the point is to contrast Touma and Kamisato's way of handling them", and my response would be: then why not wait until they reach the windowless building and when they found a way inside of the hideout show Kamisato use the things he brought with him on different occasions as a way to progress through said hideout instead of blowing his load in one fell swoop just to show him dominating them? Now I also know that some one will say that Touma does things just as unbelievable, and to that I will say that while yes he has done some pretty unbelievable things he always has suffered throught it and earned the right to pull off such stunts since everytime he fights it actually feels like his life is on the line and it never goes this perfectly or this convinient, not once, not ever.

While I love NT (and up to this point I was loving this volume), I draw the line on this kind of convinience just happening for the sake of just happening 'cause "normal everyday highschooler you can find anywhere"... fuck off with that bullshit line and next time try and make the situation much more coherent with the rest of the volume.

... I really needed to get that off of my chest, this whole Kamisato bullshit broke the camels' back for me personally, I can't wait for Kamachi to finally get rid of him and have him join in the ranks of forgotten characters.

I will wait to see if everything is working out to well for Kamisato or if this is some kind of plan by Yuuistu to mess then up or her desire to kill Kamisato which is own power.

Until part 6 come I don't really know if everything is working perfectly for Kamisato or not.

Also if you look at it one way Kamisato is equel to all the overpower main character from another LN or Manga like both Kirito or God Oniisama. A good opposite for Touma who loses more then he wins in this series and can't beat a enemy just by himself unless IT show up.

[WiliamZ0]

@ChosenHero: The way I see it from my view point, It more like they were led by Kihara Yuuitsu into a trap.

Yes! There's several weird points like you pointed out. How come the Elements that were hiding suddenly popped up to attack Kamisato and his companion. Sure he is target Numero Uno. But I can't help but to think this is double layers trap

Overconfidence kills you.

By making your enemy to think you had the advantage and knows you well to turn that advantage against you; they would be blind and didn't realize another trap in front of them.

[Kamijou Touma] “You’re kidding. I went to Hawaii, but…oh, hell. All I can remember is that crazy bearded president!”

Salute The 'Rider' President to leave such impact to Touma XD

[The One Above God]

But what if?
What if these had been standing right next to them as they viewed Academy City from the building rooftops? What if these had been staring at them while they were well within range of the monsters’ claws and fangs? Wasn’t it possible they had been crawling between these things’ legs while thinking they were safely on those wires? To create new “paths” to expand their range of travel, they had tossed metal wires between buildings. What if the weight tied to the end of the wire had unnaturally bounced off something in midair? Simply imagining it sent a chill down his spine.
This is pretty scary.

I gotta admit, Kakeru seemed really badass at the end there. Really shows that if it wasn't for the heat and the lack of supplies and info, Touma's group may have been able to form better countermeasures against the Elements aside from brick chugging. Then again, without the heat, the Elements would have run them over by now. Not to mention Kakeru is working while in the protection of a hundred superhumans but hey, it's about putting your weight in the best position possible to tilt the scales. He simply made use of what he has available. In his case, the supermarket items; in Touma and co.'s case, it's bricks and IB; in Tokiwadai's case, it's their esper powers.

[Natsume01]

@Chosen Hero: Wow!! You said everything I wanted to say, no you said even more than what I thought. Really, good job!!

Honestly, Kamisato becoming BADASS like that was a bit too much. It was painful to read.
It didn't even seem like Kamisato, like his character changed all of sudden.

@The One Above God: Lol those lines sent a chill down my spine. As if it wasn't already frightening enough to jump from a building to another with a wire.

[LazyHunter]

Interesting conversation between Touma and Kakeru, who is starting to drop his facade and admit some of the fears and feelings behind his actions. And a cool moment by Kakeru with a nice callback to NT13's theme of the two's different ideals of a "normal highschool boy".

[Chosen_Hero]

I will wait to see if everything is working out to well for Kamisato or if this is some kind of plan by Yuuistu to mess then up or her desire to kill Kamisato which is own power.

Until part 6 come I don't really know if everything is working perfectly for Kamisato or not.

Also if you look at it one way Kamisato is equel to all the overpower main character from another LN or Manga like both Kirito or God Oniisama. A good opposite for Touma who loses more then he wins in this series and can't beat a enemy just by himself unless IT show up.

My problem isn't Kamisato being able to do what he did its HOW it just happened in one fell swoop, it just came off as Kamchi trying way too hard to contrast him to Touma. I am totally fine with Kamisato being able to defeat them easily (they do have much more information then Touma does on how these things work) but I personally feel this was a bad way to do it, trap or not.

Like I said, the talk he had with Touma was starting to warm me up to himdue to him finally getting his head out of his ass but that little fight just ruined it royally. Now, try to imagine if it went like this:

Touma and Kamisato have their little conversation and set off with the girls to Yuiitsus' hideout.

As they walk there Kamisato (once again) starts trying to figure out how Yuuitsu controls/communicates with the Elements, and the second he starts fuguring out the small Elements do a surprise attack on the group as they walk down the street, just like with how Touma and the Tokiwadai girls did ok their march to the crystal tower but easier. Then when they reach the windowless building and they start to find/make an entrance they are suddenly attacked by the invisible Kaiju sized Elements leadin the group to separate with one group staying outside fighting them and the other going with Kamisato and Touma (here we see that they can easily handle the Kaiju sized Elements without the might of the entire group showing us how easy it is for them in comparison to how it was for the Tokiwadai girls that had no information on how to properly fight them)

As they made their way to Yuuistu inside the hideout they encountered Elements and here is where Kamisato shows how easy it is to actually deal with them but instead of using everything in his backpack at once just to "look cool 'cause normal highschooler", he uses each tool in different instances to dispatch of different groups of Elements with relative ease up until they reach Yuuitsu amd eventually find out theu could have walked into a trap set by her. This way we see Kamisato have his time to shine without looking like bs, we have context as to why the girls could just be fangirling inthe background instead of doing like the one girl and doing so in the middle of the battle with the giant Kaijus' :rolleyes:. This way we could also see Touma being surprised as to how easy it all could have been if his school had had the same amount of information on the Elements and how to fight them. But no, he just had to go all Kirito/Tatsuya in that one instance beccause normal highschooler and the rest of the awfully boring catchphrase.

Yes, I do know we still have more left of the volume but like I said, it is just that one instance that pissed me off due to the convinience that happened just so that Kamisato can defeat all of of those Elements by his lonesome when we have seen that they could do more than just mindlessly attack or stand there like targets, cohesion is what I am arguing here. This will definitely affect the kind of score I give this volume by the time it's all finished being translated (thank you for your work js06) and so far I was really enjoying the volume.

@Chosen Hero: Wow!! You said everything I wanted to say, no you said even more than what I thought. Really, good job!!

Honestly, Kamisato becoming BADASS like that was a bit too much. It was painful to read.
It didn't even seem like Kamisato, like his character changed all of sudden.

Agreed, it did feel painful and very out of place and especially because it happened right after such a good conversation between them.

[entei08]

OK so your problem is how Kamisato wrecked them all in one go instead of doing it progressively? I think at this point the Elements are not something to be feared any more, this is Touma's third instance in facing them, each time with people more and more knowledgeable on the subject. I think we can both acknowledge that Kamisato's group understood them far better than the Tokiwadai girls. Doing it progressively would just drag it on needlessly and make the final battle seem lacking. They just shouldn't surprise Kamisato's group is what I'm saying. Mind you he couldn't have done this on his own despite his chilled out attitude, he's chilled because he has embraced what he's capable of and knows the opponent inside out. Though he might trip some of them up but still he needs the girls to actually finish them off or he's toast. If it was Oni-sama this would be unnecessary, maybe if he still had WR in this mindset then you have a point though.

It's clear that they aren't Yuiitsu's trump card anyway so I don't see why you would throw a fit at them being wiped out. It's like saying Amata is not a Kihara because the Hound Dogs were crap. They are mooks for all intents and purposes, Yuiitsu could drop as many kaiju class as she wants out of the sky, and those were all bait too. Previously the elements were scary because Touma's side (and the reader) didn't know their tactic, Kamisato's group will have anticipated this in their actions so it's almost like facing them after reading a walk-through. If he can't breeze through this now with a hundred jokers then they have problems.

[LazyHunter]

Yeah, it's obvious that Kamachi was progressively revealing more about the Elements and diminishing their overall threat to Touma and whoever he's with at the time by having Touma meet and cooperate with gradually stronger groups. Touma started with his class, who barely had any knowledge on the Elements, were lacking equipment and supplies and could't face the Elements in battle due to lack of power, choosing to avoid them. Even Class 1s and 2s were a huge threat to them. Then Touma teams up with Mikoto and Tokiwadai's espers, who can easily defeat the smaller Elements and have plenty of supplies. The group is also more knowledgeable about the state of the city, and have a clear goal besides "surviving and waiting for help". The only true danger the group faces are the Class 6s at the end.

Finally, Touma cooperates with Kakeru's group, who has numbers, supplies, strong powers and the most knowledge about Elements and the situation of the three groups. They head out to solve the problem by targeting the one behind it. At this point, the main threat is clearly Yuiitsu, not the Elements, since Kakeru's faction has experience dealing with them.

[WiliamZ0]

Yeah, it's obvious that Kamachi was progressively revealing more about the Elements and diminishing their overall threat to Touma and whoever he's with at the time by having Touma meet and cooperate with gradually stronger groups. Touma started with his class, who barely had any knowledge on the Elements, were lacking equipment and supplies and could't face the Elements in battle due to lack of power, choosing to avoid them. Even Class 1s and 2s were a huge threat to them. Then Touma teams up with Mikoto and Tokiwadai's espers, who can easily defeat the smaller Elements and have plenty of supplies. The group is also more knowledgeable about the state of the city, and have a clear goal besides "surviving and waiting for help". The only true danger the group faces are the Class 6s at the end.

Finally, Touma cooperates with Kakeru's group, who has numbers, supplies, strong powers and the most knowledge about Elements and the situation of the three groups. They head out to solve the problem by targeting the one behind it. At this point, the main threat is clearly Yuiitsu, not the Elements, since Kakeru's faction has experience dealing with them.

Can't deny this fact either. But the most problem everyone have maybe because of Kamisato's action. LEt's consider how he is before and after. + Acting cool like that pissed me off. Considering his 'sins'

THAT IS NOT HOW NORMAL HIGH SCHOOL BOY DO!

[LazyHunter]

I understand that some people might not like his personality. Personally, I don't mind it.

Touma and Kakeru's ideas of normal have always been pretty unconventional. Salome pointed out last volume that Kakeru is not that normal, and the volume before that pointed out that he can be as bad as Touma at recognizing his own nature.

[entei08]

Can't deny this fact either. But the most problem everyone have maybe because of Kamisato's action. LEt's consider how he is before and after. + Acting cool like that pissed me off. Considering his 'sins'

THAT IS NOT HOW NORMAL HIGH SCHOOL BOY DO!

Maybe you need to consider how their standard for normal is different/messed up. Certainly neither Touma or Kamisato is basing if off of real world standards or even AC standards. They are projecting their own actions on to those around them. It just so happens that SOME of their attributes match an actual high school boy, like Kamisato throwing around words such as "I'll kill you" without realizing what it really means or Touma wanting a peaceful life.

[Chosen_Hero]

OK so your problem is how Kamisato wrecked them all in one go instead of doing it progressively? I think at this point the Elements are not something to be feared any more, this is Touma's third instance in facing them, each time with people more and more knowledgeable on the subject. I think we can both acknowledge that Kamisato's group understood them far better than the Tokiwadai girls. Doing it progressively would just drag it on needlessly and make the final battle seem lacking. They just shouldn't surprise Kamisato's group is what I'm saying. Mind you he couldn't have done this on his own despite his chilled out attitude, he's chilled because he has embraced what he's capable of and knows the opponent inside out. Though he might trip some of them up but still he needs the girls to actually finish them off or he's toast. If it was Oni-sama this would be unnecessary, maybe if he still had WR in this mindset then you have a point though.

It's clear that they aren't Yuiitsu's trump card anyway so I don't see why you would throw a fit at them being wiped out. It's like saying Amata is not a Kihara because the Hound Dogs were crap. They are mooks for all intents and purposes, Yuiitsu could drop as many kaiju class as she wants out of the sky, and those were all bait too. Previously the elements were scary because Touma's side (and the reader) didn't know their tactic, Kamisato's group will have anticipated this in their actions so it's almost like facing them after reading a walk-through. If he can't breeze through this now with a hundred jokers then they have problems.

I know what Kamachi is doing and it's fine if he shows that, but showing that all of a sudden the Elements act like mindless mob characters and just run to get killed off or just stand there completely disregarded everything we've seen them do so far (apart from Kamisato just wrecking them all without even trying). It doesn't matter how much knowledge they have on them (like I mentioned it's fine if they know how to fight them properly) but, this went waaayyyy too perfectly again, considering what we've seen the the Elements do to disrupt plans to destroy them in the past, in my opinion Kamachi needs to do more that just use that catchphrase to explain/waive off what just happened especially considering that the enemy is a Kihara of all things, the scenario doesn't fit with what we've seen so far and breaks any cohesion between what we've been learning about them all along (which includes the information we learned from Kamisatoabout them).

[mark1246]

So after reading everyone comments here >.<, now i know what to say that new and what everyone already know

So that quote Kamisato says "normal everyday highschooler you can find anywhere" has everyone on the rail saying "Dude, you took down a freaking Kiju with so little effort, your not normal and etc etc". Yes im with the band wagon thinking Kamachi kinda power him up too much cause even Touma stated he wasnt this tough when he fought him in NT14

BUT let me show 2 example with Kamisato mind set

1. If your watching this anime season of a really animated show "Mob 100" where the MC is literally a power house psychic , but he views him self and IM NOT KIDDING WHEN I SAY THIS heck if i was tech smart i could get the pic of the line....the MC says this (from last week episode) "normal everyday highschooler you can find anywhere". The MC Mob know he has power, but think of himself as just a normal person with no differences with anyone else

2. (As to why I change my Avatar today to "Killer Queen") For all those JOJO fans who saw today episode....KIRA. So i'll keep it breif....Kira is literally a freaking PSYCHO PASS WHO KILL WOMEN & TAKE THERE ARM. But the dude literally "I just want a peaceful life." Kira longs for a peaceful life, safe from any worry, and does not wish for it to be interrupted. His mindset think he in the Norm, but reality he freaking crazy

Like Kamisato he think all his action are normal and "ANY" Normal highschooler would do the things he did. His loosescrew in his head make him think his action are acceptable and believe he is right. We seen multiple vol that he believe his decision is the right one and damn if some else has a solution or disagree with him.

I just wanted to express my thoughts :)
thanks all the cool and legit members on this forum, it really make me grateful unlike 4chan where it all hate and troll comment, nothing intelligent or analysis comment wise

[DragonXX]

You know that NT4 and NT14 have something alike in the fact that both book are the one where the main enemy of the Story Arc show up or in NT14 the moment Yuuistu become the main enemy. It funny to think that NT4 was when Yuuistu first show up and ten book later she become the main enemy.

Also am I the only one thinking that what will beat Yuuistu in the end of the Current Story Arc will be herself.

Something I also find interesting is how each Story Arc main enemy have bet different in a way of getting there Goals. We have Fiamma who make up a huge plan to get to his final goal. We have Othunis who use a huge plan for the purpose to keep everyone away from finding out that she was just going to make Gungnir herself and pull it out her eye which I would love to see animation some day. Specally if we get to see everyone else faces as she does it.

As for Yuuistu it does not seen like she had some great plan at all or even a final goal other then revenge and which what happen at the end of this volume what will she do next?

Yuuistu is also a different enemy from Fiamma and Othiuns too, she doesn't have some great huge master plan in anyway and it just seen like she going which the flow of event which just happen to be what she needs.

So if things keep going this way what will the next Big Story Arc enemy be like and how will he/she be different from Fiamma, Othinus and Yuuistu?

[WiliamZ0]

So after reading everyone comments here >.<, now i know what to say that new and what everyone already know

So that quote Kamisato says "normal everyday highschooler you can find anywhere" has everyone on the rail saying "Dude, you took down a freaking Kiju with so little effort, your not normal and etc etc". Yes im with the band wagon thinking Kamachi kinda power him up too much cause even Touma stated he wasnt this tough when he fought him in NT14

BUT let me show 2 example with Kamisato mind set

1. If your watching this anime season of a really animated show "Mob 100" where the MC is literally a power house psychic , but he views him self and IM NOT KIDDING WHEN I SAY THIS heck if i was tech smart i could get the pic of the line....the MC says this (from last week episode) "normal everyday highschooler you can find anywhere". The MC Mob know he has power, but think of himself as just a normal person with no differences with anyone else

2. (As to why I change my Avatar today to "Killer Queen") For all those JOJO fans who saw today episode....KIRA. So i'll keep it breif....Kira is literally a freaking PSYCHO PASS WHO KILL WOMEN & TAKE THERE ARM. But the dude literally "I just want a peaceful life." Kira longs for a peaceful life, safe from any worry, and does not wish for it to be interrupted. His mindset think he in the Norm, but reality he freaking crazy

Like Kamisato he think all his action are normal and "ANY" Normal highschooler would do the things he did. His loosescrew in his head make him think his action are acceptable and believe he is right. We seen multiple vol that he believe his decision is the right one and damn if some else has a solution or disagree with him.

I just wanted to express my thoughts :)
thanks all the cool and legit members on this forum, it really make me grateful unlike 4chan where it all hate and troll comment, nothing intelligent or analysis comment wise

You completely understand us! Thank you for your intelligent answer :D

[mark1246]

Oh forgot to mention that that theory back in Nt10 where Othinus stated the weather was strangely odd theory is now non-valid since we learn yesterday it was Fran that did it a couple of days ago and not magic related. Sucks cause that could of been great foreshadowing....ok time out. Beside Touma noticing and thinking of misaka more (which we all know might lead to something in Nt17 with the December thing which i made a post about a while ago)

Has...Kamachi actually foreshadow anything, to be honest...cause im thinking right now and im drawing a blank where any quote or mention to a event has either never happen or non-valid. Sorry guys, but it just came to me now while typing my comment for the first paragraph. Still thinking the Rings where misaka bought in Hawaii will never come in to play...ShoutOUTS TO YOU "certain reviewer" that plot thread never gonna be resolve >.<

[Ettel]

Even my sister Salome seems to have mellowed some since meeting Kamijou Touma. She may grow out of being a mass murderer before long.

Someone will jump ship soon enough! xD

[dniv]

I don't care what anyone else thinks, but that was totally awesome. Kamisato is really growing on me.

Now we finally understand a little more insight about Kamisato, and I felt chills and can tell that this is going to be another epic volume. I can't wait for the excellent character development that is soon to come!

Chapter 4 and the Epilogue and afterward better be great as well.

I like the other reference we've now gotten to the soul. I'm expecting that to be a thing next volume.

But ... revenge hmm... Touma's more perceptive than he looks. And I feel like I understand and appreciate Kamisato much better now.

Definitely excited for the next update hopefully tomorrow!

That chapter made the whole volume up until now much better in retrospect. So far, 10/10!

Edit: Also, lol. I can't tell if Salome is jumping ship. I think it's more that it's easy for them to confide in each other for some weird reason or another. :eyespin:

Edit 2:

Badass Kamisato Thought Sequence from Chapter:


I want to be with them.

I want to stay by their sides forever.

But if my presence is holding them back, I’m prepared to walk a different path. My top priority isn’t my own happiness. Just like a rocket that’s cut away partway up to space, I’m fine with only being someone who gives them a push forward.

So let’s end this.


I won’t make them drag me around. I will swallow this vengeance on my own. I was the only one that dealt with that talking dog. I didn’t ask those girls for help. I will take responsibility. So whatever form it might take, I will sever the harmful bonds connecting me to those unrelated girls.

These are my just deserts, so I won’t hesitate to play along with your madness, Kihara Yuiitsu. Throw your grudge at me with everything you’ve got.

I might die here.

But even if you end up losing your life in my attempt to give you the best and most exciting revenge possible, no hard feelings, okay?



Kamachi is finally addressing what he should have been addressing. And the harsh contrast between Kamijou and Kamisato has been illustrated even more effectively than before... That aside, I wonder where Misaka is though... I wonder if Aleister went after her since Yuiitsu seems to have picked Kamisato (apparently)... this worries me a lot................. Misaka.............

[Kuroageha]

Heroic Spirit Kamisato. Avenger Class.


Bet he would have fun talking with Edmond.

[Last_Aeon]

Kamisato is just finding his excuse for his actions. He always brought up references using his everyday life and tweaking it abit from the norm to fit his image as a normal highschooler.

I think the first step to make Kamisato grow on you is to look him not as "a good-willed character who helps other" but as "a bad guy who just wants things to go his own way"

[dniv]

Kamisato is just finding his excuse for his actions. He always brought up references using his everyday life and tweaking it abit from the norm to fit his image as a normal highschooler.

I think the first step to make Kamisato grow on you is to look him not as "a good-willed character who helps other" but as "a bad guy who just wants things to go his own way"

He's a normal high schooler with psychological problems lol.

[Kuroageha]

Kamisato is just finding his excuse for his actions. He always brought up references using his everyday life and tweaking it abit from the norm to fit his image as a normal highschooler.

I think the first step to make Kamisato grow on you is to look him not as "a good-willed character who helps other" but as "a bad guy who just wants things to go his own way"
Just like Touma, said no one ever.

[WiliamZ0]

I need to confess, I kinda ... Guuu~~ Admire Kamisato a bit!
GOD DAMMIT! HE IS THE BAD GUY! HE IS THE CAUSE! But...
It not like I not understand it, dammit! He's worth respect a bit, even though he is twisted

But again, Touma is twisted ... in his unique way

Dammit Kamachi!!! You magnificent bastard! Playing my heart with your writing like that

[dniv]

I need to confess, I kinda ... Guuu~~ Admire Kamisato a bit!
GOD DAMMIT! HE IS THE BAD GUY! HE IS THE CAUSE! But...
It not like I not understand it, dammit! He's worth respect a bit, even though he is twisted

But again, Touma is twisted ... in his unique way

Dammit Kamachi!!! You magnificent bastard! Playing my heart with your writing like that

Lol. I similarly also started liking Kamisato after that. Or it went from amiability towards him to being sort of inspired by him. I feel like I really do have a better understanding of how he thinks now. He is the sort of character that I appreciate, but also think deserves some good character development soon.

He's like NT 9 Touma. He burdens himself too much. He doesn't know how to enjoy himself either. This was handled pretty well TBH. My favorite part though is Touma's analysis of him and then he asks, are you okay. This is why I love Touma. :eyespin:

[DragonXX]

Lol. I similarly also started liking Kamisato after that. Or it went from amiability towards him to being sort of inspired by him. I feel like I really do have a better understanding of how he thinks now. He is the sort of character that I appreciate, but also think deserves some good character development soon.

He's like NT 9 Touma. He burdens himself too much. He doesn't know how to enjoy himself either. This was handled pretty well TBH. My favorite part though is Touma's analysis of him and then he asks, are you okay. This is why I love Touma. :eyespin:

I don't know it almost seen like Yuuistu said she was going to go after both to Crowley at some time after NT15 because it seen like she chose to go after Mikoto first in volume NT16 but Kamisato get in the way and then Kamisato when to attack Yuuistu first which make me think next volume Yuuistu is going to go after Mikoto.

[dniv]

I don't know it almost seen like Yuuistu said she was going to go after both to Crowley at some time after NT15 because it seen like she chose to go after Mikoto first in volume NT16 but Kamisato get in the way and then Kamisato when to attack Yuuistu first which make me think next volume Yuuistu is going to go after Mikoto.

No she's probably aware Kamisato was suppressing her Elements. So she's probably trying to lure him out, just as he's doing the same to her.

I think she is hitting Kamisato becsuse as he said. She's deviating from the optimal plan to go after the person using the A.A.A. But at the same time she wants to go after noukan's almost killer. Probably anyway. Kamisato's analysis might be wrong... But I'm tempted to say this makes me expect aleister to hit misaka himself or whatever. :heh:

Anyway the thing I liked most is how their explanation of the elements' behavioral patterns clearly easily explained how Kamisato did all that based on his ability to act in the moment just like Touma can.

It isn't that b.s. That Kamisato would be the same sort of person like Touma that could act in the moment from the very beginning. They're both the sort of person who would act the same even without their right hand. Anyway, I liked it.

[The One Above God]

Welp, that took a better turn for Kakeru's character. With him essentially presenting Yuiitsu her "dream world"/goal and cutting off her other options/"old world", it just goes to show that he's staying true to his trait of being the "Ideal Exile", one of the reasons World Rejecter came to him in the first place, as opposed to Touma's "Illusion Killer" which smacks people hard with reality and shows them that there are other options.

I'm still trying to think of ways for Touma to draw out Yuiitsu had he been in Kakeru's situation, but if it did come to that, I'm thinking Touma and his chosen few would have infiltrated instead, given they have enough info of course. It just so happens that Kakeru is the right man for forcing others into certain options :heh:.

[entei08]

I know what Kamachi is doing and it's fine if he shows that, but showing that all of a sudden the Elements act like mindless mob characters and just run to get killed off or just stand there completely disregarded everything we've seen them do so far (apart from Kamisato just wrecking them all without even trying). It doesn't matter how much knowledge they have on them (like I mentioned it's fine if they know how to fight them properly) but, this went waaayyyy too perfectly again, considering what we've seen the the Elements do to disrupt plans to destroy them in the past, in my opinion Kamachi needs to do more that just use that catchphrase to explain/waive off what just happened especially considering that the enemy is a Kihara of all things, the scenario doesn't fit with what we've seen so far and breaks any cohesion between what we've been learning about them all along (which includes the information we learned from Kamisatoabout them).

What we learned from before is that Elements relied on the element of surprise (no pun intended). Whether to appear out of nowhere to make a surprise attack or display intelligence beyond what was expected of them. Refer again to my walk-through analogy. It's like watching a team of pros take down a difficult MMO boss, the normal players think they make it look so smooth, but there is a lot of asset and team play involved. From before, Mikoto took down kaiju classes using brute force by herself, there was no team work on the level of the Kamisato faction, the other girls just had to take care of leftovers. Kamisato faction had the numbers, they got close ranged and long ranged covered and used the numbers to their advantage instead of relying on one powerhouse.

There would be no surprises if the movements could be predicted. Sure Kamachi can have a few smaller ones appear out of thin air again or do a special move, Kamisato could still just say I saw this coming and use X item or have harem girl number Y rise up and take care of it. Judging from the fact that the Elements are actually there all along and can deflect stuff flung at them, some radar wave ability (looking at you Fran) may come in handy in locating the sneaky things and it wouldn't surprise me if that's how he located the smallest class 0. Yes it's convenient, but it's very fitting of his character like Gilgamesh and his Gate of Babylon. To be honest I would rather he exhaust his resources sooner rather than later so he can actually struggle against Yuiitsu.

[Chosen_Hero]

Yep, the volume lost me, any sympathy I had for Kamisato is gone and I really don't care about his edgelord revenge monolouge in the between the lines. I'll finish reading the rest but I just don't care about this second half of the volume anymore.

[zibi88]

Maybe Misakis apperance in this volume is based on the fact that she is the key to solving the problem that will occur at the end of the volume. Like when kamisato is gone by yuitsu and all girls cant attack her or he will be gone forever so they get order kill touma.

Well cant Misaki just "erase" those girls memories from the existence of kamisato so they can just move on if they cant handle the loss. Well other option is using WR to erese all of them so all go to their dream world and be happy ;)

The fight was not impressing becouse what is the problem using 100girls to do the bidding... touma had few girls he could count on his hand and if he took 100 girls that are level3-4 kaijus wouldnt stand a chance either...pff even 1accelerator would be enough

Anyway I am kinda hoping for kamisatos disapperence for good so we can start focus again on IT, Aleister and maybe Laura.

[Loremaster]

I just... Why. Chapter 3 reactions in a nut shell.

I understand what Kamachi was doing with Kamisato, but his Touma like actions about him. He is an alternative Touma, and it annoys me in this characters hubris the challenges he had to face expect us to be sorry for the guy? No whatsoever, this character has only been around since NT13. It took me a while to care about Misaka and even after OT3 I wanted more context which the manga gave but let's be honest here.

I still don't care about Kamisato; he was brought into an increasingly convoluted plot line which has still not edged closer to an even concrete form of the overall point of this series. With another right hand which probably his whole purpose was to give a bad girl a powerful weapon to use against Touma.

Just like how this guy ruined NT13 by overshadowing everything in Lauras and Aleister's epeen measurement contest. His actions in this volume so far has ruined the mood that was set high by interactions between numerous characters we've known for a long time.

I just can't care for him without real context as nothing hes been through this far is anything but a real struggle. He has numerous powerful girls protecting him and you expect me to be concerned? I can't even get one girl to protect me; maybe I'm jealous, but I think what Kamachi tried to do with his role has failed.

I do hope though that Kamachi can make me feel more for his character. I don't like hating characters in a series. But three novels of context for a character which hasn't been in 100% of the all the scenes isn't enough to like him. Especially when one annoys me only to serve to complicate the plot even further with another special right hand.

Kamachi stop it. You have a wonderful set of characters; there is no reason to add even more. Or I'm going to start calling this A Certain Magical Zoo or Bleach.

[LevelSeven]

Or I'm going to start calling this A Certain Magical Zoo or Bleach.

you realized this now?
kamachi did this at least since NT began :/

[Loremaster]

Oh no I've known this for an awhile now. But I held myself back hoping for a decent focus on characters who made this serious originally wonderful to read.

[Kuroageha]

Anyway I am kinda hoping for kamisatos disapperence for good so we can start focus again on IT, Aleister and maybe Laura.

Kamachi won't make that happen even if 99% of the character cast was removed.

[LevelSeven]

Oh no I've known this for an awhile now. But I held myself back hoping for a decent focus on characters who made this serious originally wonderful to read.
considering that:
-Index was thrown away in OT already,
-since NT6 we didnt get a single volume that was focused on one of the other 2 "main characters",
-and throughout the entire nt-series we got one-shot villians and comrades in more or less each volume,
i gave up hope long ago :/

@Kuroageha
yeah, i also doubt that kamisato will "vanish" for good, mostlikely he will be used for a few more volumes and than he will get a "ending" similar to accel and shiage where he shows up sometimes :/

[LazyHunter]

We see how Touma is figuring out Kamisato's characters a bit more with his plan to drag out Yuiitsu from her shelter by playing on her fears, a good strategy. Kakeru's BtL inner monologue is perfect to sum up his character after what we learned in the last volumes and his change from NT15. Only the last fight left, I hope it's as good as the rest of the volume.

[Chosen_Hero]

In all of NT out of all of the new characters introduced (that shared the spotlight with Touma in certain volumes in one way or another) only two really piss me off those being Kanou Shinka and Kamisato Kakeru. Kuroyoru, the President, every character from NT.4, Thor, Othinus, Niangniang, Nepthys and the High Priest, they have all been pretty interesting characters to read and learn about and then we have these two. Pop quiz, what about them is similar between each other yet different from the other characters I mentioned? ... That they are two different extremes of what Touma is (Kanou being useless and Kamisato being way too competent for no real reason) and that while the other characters took their share of the spotlight none of them were ever treated like pseudo-Toumas for the sake of comparing them to him.

[dniv]

All of you. I don't understand your hatred for Kamiaato. And to be frank, I don't really care. I thought Kamisato was done quite well here. All of you are just far too biased against him. I swear. I mean, he is a Touma tier character whether you like it or not.

This means that what is happening is totally reasonable. Also, I think all of you are jumping way too fast in making assumptions about what is going on. I can totally expect to see Kamijou lecture Kamisato for hours next chapter or I can expect Kamisato to get schooled and blah blah blah.

Anyway, what I've tried to point out since long ago is that the people who read this sort of series don't have any sort of patience for the sort of character like Kamisato who is the opposite of Touma who represents the essence of what this series is like. However, that's an important point. If you want to really see all the different ideologies, then you need to also look at Kamisato and accept him instead of just cutting him off and not reading his role. He's slowly starting to actually make more and more sense to me. He is a selfish bastard. He pursues his own goals regardless of the bigger picture. That's why he's a high schooler. He doesn't give a shit about other bigger responsibilities. At the same time though, he himself wants to take all responsibility for his mistakes. It's interesting because we're so used to every character appearing in this series being a badass that does literally everything right. Even Hamazura fits that bill eventually. But it's interesting seeing Kamisato appear in this series as well since he specifically is normal and doesn't have any lofty aspirations. He wants normalcy in a very different way. He wants it to the extent that he's gone crazy, probably anyway.

My main point here is that Kamisato actually has quite a lot of depth and maybe you don't like his current development or changes to the story. But he is a character in this story and there's a reason Kamachi put him in here. He isn't just some animal in a zoo. Lots of people in the real world think like him and it's important to show what an idealized version of said thought process is like. I fully expect him to change in the next two chapters or to flat out die. The between the lines already made that more than obvious. And regardless of how all of you choose to dislike Kamisato and be blinded by your dislike of a foreign Element (no pun intended :heh: ) to this series, he represents something important here, and it is true that the more character development he'll get the more he'll grow on you as is true Kamachi style. He even made you all like Fiamma and Othinus sheesh. Why wouldn't he be able to succeed with a derpy Kamisato?

Finally, I want to point out that Kamisato is acting within totally reasonable limits to his powers here. Just like Touma he is slightly abnormal because when it comes down to it he is capable of taking action and putting what he can imagine in his mind into reality. That is probably a part of why the magic gods gave him World Rejecter in the first place. He is capable like Touma but has a completely opposite approach to things. But this is why it's important to consider his character even if you don't like it. It IS a valid approach. You just don't like it because that isn't why you started reading this series. And yet, including Kamisato raises the maturity of the series much higher. Finally though, as I was saying earlier: Kamisato has the ability to take action when necessary, he has powerful girls supporting him, and he has a lot of information on the thing he is facing because he has an understanding of both science side and magic side matters unlike the girls of tokiwadai middle school. All considering, it should be fucking obvious for him to be able to overwhelm the elements or it would be out of character. You all need to stop seeing him as OP just because of his hand. He did work at least a little bit for things. You can't curb stomp everything just because of a hand. Like Touma pointed out, you need other qualities as well. And he's that one person out of a class of normal people that you'd see taking revenge in a WN after something bad happens to the entire class.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on this. Of course none of you need to agree. But I'm saying this because I feel like some of you are being biased and not actually reading between the lines. I hope this analysis of mine helps somewhat. :D

[LazyHunter]

@dniv
People can dislike Kamisato's character because they don't like his type of character or for whatever other reason they may have. That's just subjective opinions and tastes, nor objective facts like you appear to believe. There's types of characters that I don't like, and no character development less than a total shift will change my mind on them. Same with some series. Honestly, you need to stop reacting like this every time someone complains about anything in the series. Claiming you don't care doesn't really work when you continue your post like that.

You're free to disagree with people's opinions, I don't agree with some people's opinions about several things in the series, including Kamisato. But just because you don't share their opinion, it doesn't mean that their opinions are wrong.

[entei08]

@Chosen_Hero

Kamisato I can understand, but how is Kanou remotely related to Touma's character? His whole purpose in the story was leagues different from Kamisato, to pay homage to Frenda, that's it. In fact, I would argue that Hamazura had more meaningful interactions with him. He was never set up to compare with Touma. I understand how people generally dislike wimpy kids, but at least don't make irrational accusations like that.

[Loremaster]

Please @Dniv explain to me how my opinion is biased? When not only did I give an honest thought, but I also hoped that Kamachi make me like later on. Do you realise it took me until halfway through OT series to like Misaka Mikoto and even then it was only a minor liking. I'm a hard man to please and any opinion shared on this forum is one based on reading the entire OT and NT just like everyone else up to this point.

Please refrain from sounding like what you've got from reading the novels is correct and everyone else's is biased opinions. You done this many times and it's disrespectful for all of us who are only expressing our first honest thoughts.

[Natsurin]

I agree with LazyHunter and Loremaster here, you have done this way too much in the past few days and it just makes any sort of NT16 discussion absolutely worthless. If you're going to say you're going to do effort on that aspect then please provide that effort and stop judging and implying other peoples' opinions are worthless via your "I don't care" as you provide an analysis of why people are reading this series wrong unlike you. You're on a discussion forum, so if you're unwilling to accept anything but opinions akin to your own then you're going to have one hell of a hard time.

Not to mention this is both rude and unacceptable. Please stop blindly white-knighting the series at the cost of the people trying to have a mature discussion, you said it yourself you enjoyed a fair share of criticism towards the series, so why are you utterly incapable of accepting any amount of it (which really goes against your notion of an equal balance of criticism and praise) and feel the need to defend everything as if you were the only one truly understanding Kamachi's will which exempts the series from anyone's criticism unless you agree with it? Just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's not valid and no one ever said that for the series to have a flaw, all 100% of the readers had to agree and the fact that you don't accept any criticism you feel is "biased" only proves the point of people who dislike this fandom without giving us a chance.

And that's speaking as someone who has no bloody clue of what's even going on in Chapter 3 so I can't possibly have a biased opinion on the matter. I'm just seriously not looking forward to what kind of battlefield awaits me when I'm actually going to read NT16 if this kind of shit happens on a daily basis already.

[WiliamZ0]

Whoa! Calm down guys!! It's just opinion. I can't say everyone wrong and right here. I understood why such differences of opinion appeared. I get and read every opinion here to the point I get each of them.

Each people have different way to interpret this volume. I can say that This is one of most complex volume Kamachi made.

And let's not forget, the author of this LN is none other than Kamachi. If he didn't like it, he won't put his idea in the LN, no matter how we argued

[Loremaster]

Kamachi is no God sent writer, he has made many mistakes that I don't like but stayed on for the characters I love in this series.

Princess Carissa is number one in my book, honestly though this entire series felt dragged on with many unanswered questions from OT still not answered yet in NT. Kamachi is far from a God sent writer and as someone who is trying to be a professional writer I have to give my honest opinion.

[WiliamZ0]

And yet we all know none of us perfect. Can you actually make a writing that everyone completely agree?

[Natsurin]

Kamachi is no God sent writer, he has made many mistakes that I don't like but stayed on for the characters I love in this series.

Princess Carissa is number one in my book, honestly though this entire series felt dragged on with many unanswered questions from OT still not answered yet in NT. Kamachi is far from a God sent writer and as someone who is trying to be a professional writer I have to give my honest opinion.

To be fair, his ability to keep people invested in the story regardless of how many flaws they find as long as they enjoy one character or aspect of the story is a notable skill in and of itself that not many LN authors are granted with. It takes a certain amount of talent to keep people this passionate about a series they keep finding flaws with since NT began and I'm unfortunately guilty of that. :heh:

@WiliamZ0 I think you're a bit mistaken on the source of this... argument, I guess. It's less about whether we enjoy what Kamachi wrote or not and more that speaking opinions has been making everyone step on one landmine or another for a few days now (even outside of this thread) and that's got nothing to do with Kamachi, or even Index.

[Loremaster]

And yet we all know none of us perfect. Can you actually make a writing that everyone completely agree? yep no one is perfect and I accepted that, this is why I don't go around shouting out loud how bad Kamachi is and why he should improve. I only share what I as a hopeful professional writer think about his writing decisions. But Kamachi isn't bad, I think he's pretty skilful and good but he's no where near the best and that was an opinion I had to make clear.

To be fair, I think his ability to keep people invested in the story no matter how much flaws they find as long as they enjoy one character or aspect of the story is a notable skill in and of itself that not many LN authors are granted with. It takes a certain amount of talent to keep people this passionate about a series they keep finding flaws with since NT began and I'm unfortunately guilty of that. :heh:

@WiliamZ0 I think you're a bit mistaken on the source of this... argument, I guess. It's less about whether we enjoy what Kamachi wrote or not and more that speaking opinions has been making everyone step on one landmine or another and that's got nothing to do with Kamachi, or even Index. Exactly he has good skill I never intend to deny it. He's kept me invested but that has been seriously tested in NT, much as the characters are great, the overall story is a completely another thing and the characters can't save it forever.

[WiliamZ0]

@WiliamZ0 I think you're a bit mistaken on the source of this... argument, I guess. It's less about whether we enjoy what Kamachi wrote or not and more that speaking opinions has been making everyone step on one landmine or another for a few days now (even outside of this thread) and that's got nothing to do with Kamachi, or even Index.

Probably, Most likely...

Sorry LoreMaster m(_ _)m

[Chosen_Hero]

@Chosen_Hero

Kamisato I can understand, but how is Kanou remotely related to Touma's character? His whole purpose in the story was leagues different from Kamisato, to pay homage to Frenda, that's it. In fact, I would argue that Hamazura had more meaningful interactions with him. He was never set up to compare with Touma. I understand how people generally dislike wimpy kids, but at least don't make irrational accusations like that.

What I meant was that Touma is someone that tries and works hard for what he wants to achieve, we see him stuggle just to even grasp a tiny bit of hope. Then we have Kamisato who doesn't need to put too much work for everything to just go his way (mostly because his harem does the work him), and then we have Kanou Shinka who never tried to do anything and was lead around by St Germain only to end up getting all of the credit for the defeat of St Germain and being classified as a true hero and a man just for throwing the last inconsequential punch (the only thing he did all volume long apart from cowering, crying, and getting controlled). I wasn't saying he was an exact copy but that if you compare the things that they've done they contrast against Touma and in my opinion that is a weakness of NT.

[entei08]

What I meant was that Touma is someone that tries and works hard for what he wants to achieve, we see him stuggle just to even grasp a tiny bit of hope. Then we have Kamisato who doesn't need to put too much work for everything to just go his way (mostly because his harem does the work him), and then we have Kanou Shinka who never tried to do anything and was lead around by ST. Germain only to end up getting all of the credit for the defeat of ST. Germain and being classified as a true hero and a man just for throwing the last inconsequential punch (the only thing he did all volume long apart from cowering, crying, and getting controlled). I wasn't saying he was an exact copy but that if you compare the things that they've done they contrast against Touma and in my opinion that is a weakness of NT.

That's fair enough. I guess Touma meant the hero thing as Kanou getting past going on a revenge on Frenda's death. I don't think the last blow meant much, tbh I also felt that it was lacking, even with the illustration backing it. After all Kanou was not someone that memorable other than being a token Shota. Still, he didn't choose the easy way out, realized his faults and would rather St Germain kill him right there instead of tarnishing a friend's memory, that's a brave thing that should be celebrated. In that instance Touma feels he's just an outsider, which is why I think Hamazura was the star there.

Honestly at this point it's hard to compare Touma's feats to people he comes across. It puts Touma on a pedestal and I think that's a bad thing. Which is why I think it would be better to see what Touma can reflect off of others. Just like he did with Hamazura in NT 12, reflecting that he was "weak" but was OK with it after prodding from Othinus. In this case Kamisato raised an interesting point about the responsibility that comes with their powers. It would be interesting to see Touma's take on the subject. Ultimately, these other characters have influence on our main character, giving him a chance to shine in a speech or action, and that intrigues me.

So Kamisato is going to be this convenient guy who doesn't struggle when Touma would and people don't like him because of it? This is great. Of course we want to see characters make an effort, it's only logical, just like how I enjoy seeing Touma's wits and endeavors every time. It only means I need to look elsewhere for enjoying Kamisato's character. Such as what other characters would do to counter him, what's really going on behind the smug confidence (though we know more than half of it by now), what does Laura expect him to do to Aleister etc. He's part of the battle between Laura and Aleister after all.

[dniv]

@dniv
People can dislike Kamisato's character because they don't like his type of character or for whatever other reason they may have. That's just subjective opinions and tastes, nor objective facts like you appear to believe. There's types of characters that I don't like, and no character development less than a total shift will change my mind on them. Same with some series. Honestly, you need to stop reacting like this every time someone complains about anything in the series. Claiming you don't care doesn't really work when you continue your post like that.

You're free to disagree with people's opinions, I don't agree with some people's opinions about several things in the series, including Kamisato. But just because you don't share their opinion, it doesn't mean that their opinions are wrong.

All of you seriously need to take a chill pill. I was literally just sharing my opinion both on the writing and my opinion on all of your opinions since you were saying it was destroying the writing for you. Maybe that's how you feel. But I'm entitled to thinking that feeling that way is biased, even if I'm wrong, amn't I? Sheesh.

And I agree that people hate different types of characters and also like different types of characters. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with you hating a particular type of person regardless of whether or not it is actually the case. A lot of us did think we'd never like whatever character and then we did... many of us felt that way even about Accelerator so I think it's all hard to tell ahead of time. To be honest, a lot of my point is that I have faith in Kamachi. He is no God, but that doesn't mean he sucks. I'm allowed to praise him as much as I want here, because I was giving an analysis. I think all of you read my tone wrong. I wasn't trying to make fun of your choices. I was just saying I think all of you should be giving him more of a chance. You all being biased doesn't mean that you're wrong. It means that you're weighing his appearances in the other books and looking at what he is like at the end of chapter 3 when we still have two whole chapters left that'll clearly develop him more and hopefully give him some closure. I don't see how that's unreasonable (of me to point out).

Please @Dniv explain to me how my opinion is biased? When not only did I give an honest thought, but I also hoped that Kamachi make me like later on. Do you realise it took me until halfway through OT series to like Misaka Mikoto and even then it was only a minor liking. I'm a hard man to please and any opinion shared on this forum is one based on reading the entire OT and NT just like everyone else up to this point.

Please refrain from sounding like what you've got from reading the novels is correct and everyone else's is biased opinions. You done this many times and it's disrespectful for all of us who are only expressing our first honest thoughts.

I think all of you misunderstand my tone. Perhaps it's my communication style. But I have my own way of enjoying what I read. You don't need to like the same characters as me, but I still have my own opinions that I'm free to express. I think that based on what I can read from Kamachi's intentions based on the organization of the writing and based on the symbolism in the text, that Kamisato is meant to represent something specific. This was obvious ever since his first appearance, and it was highlighted again after his thoughts were included in the between the lines section for the chapter. I am not mandating any of you to agree with me, but I am still taking the time to explain how I feel about him, how Kamachi has probably tried to portray him based off of what I've gathered from the text, and blah. And I want to assert, I always talk like this. I say X is true or Y is true because I'm a math person. However, I'm the sort of person who after I am corrected will instantly change what I say to Z is true and I was wrong. I just talk in absolutes, but what I say is true is much less stable or unlikely to change or mandatory on what I think you should think or feel when reading the story than you probably imagine. It has and probably always will be my communication style. This is very different from me going out there and saying stop hating on an aspect of the work. There's a huge difference between me saying you are wrong, you are biased, and you are a hater. These are very different levels of criticism. Saying you are biased is a genuine concern I have to offer because I think you are not reading between the lines. Everyone has their own way of reading, but until we discuss things thoroughly here I don't see why I have to think your way of reading things is right until you have proven your point. I mean, it partially has to do with your opinion and what you are subjectively looking for and I understand that and everyone has their own subjective pleasures and I'm a subjectivist (well more of a relativist) so I REALLY understand that (in no way am I an objectivist in the least), but my "scolding" isn't scolding. I'm just frustrated when I liked something so much and saw something good and then see Chosen just whale on Kamisato which from my perspective seems utterly random based on the fact that y'all don't like that type of character.

It especially bothers me though because the whole literal point of this series is to respect different ways of thinking and being and that is as clear as day. So when you all just can't accept a particular character even when he continues to get character development that just obviously bothers me. This is especially true when his ideological viewpoint is important enough to make him a literal foil to Touma in probably some of the most ways we have seen another antagonist/protagonist do yet.

I agree with LazyHunter and Loremaster here, you have done this way too much in the past few days and it just makes any sort of NT16 discussion absolutely worthless. If you're going to say you're going to do effort on that aspect then please provide that effort and stop judging and implying other peoples' opinions are worthless via your "I don't care" as you provide an analysis of why people are reading this series wrong unlike you. You're on a discussion forum, so if you're unwilling to accept anything but opinions akin to your own then you're going to have one hell of a hard time.

Not to mention this is both rude and unacceptable. Please stop blindly white-knighting the series at the cost of the people trying to have a mature discussion, you said it yourself you enjoyed a fair share of criticism towards the series, so why are you utterly incapable of accepting any amount of it (which really goes against your notion of an equal balance of criticism and praise) and feel the need to defend everything as if you were the only one truly understanding Kamachi's will which exempts the series from anyone's criticism unless you agree with it? Just because you don't agree with the criticism doesn't mean it's not valid and no one ever said that for the series to have a flaw, all 100% of the readers had to agree and the fact that you don't accept any criticism you feel is "biased" only proves the point of people who dislike this fandom without giving us a chance.

And that's speaking as someone who has no bloody clue of what's even going on in Chapter 3 so I can't possibly have a biased opinion on the matter. I'm just seriously not looking forward to what kind of battlefield awaits me when I'm actually going to read NT16 if this kind of shit happens on a daily basis already.

I'm getting really annoyed here. You first all misinterpret my post. I didn't criticize your opinions. This is just getting inappropriate here. I just want some freaking analysis for god sake. Kamisato is unlikable. Kamisato is not an old character. This series went down since Kamisato has been here. Fine, those are your opinions. Fine you can express them. But give substance to what you are all saying. I did that. That's what I expect from myself, so what's wrong with me expecting that from all of you? I mean, I'm not going to force you to do it, but I'll still spend the time arguing for my own points.

And as far as me saying I don't care if you agree or not. That doesn't mean I don't value your opinion. It means I won't force my opinion onto you. So you all read that completely backwards. That was me trying to be polite. I don't care means that everyone is entitled to feel the way they want. I could have said something like you are all wrong. From my perspective you are all biased because you disagree with me. It doesn't mean you are actually objectively biased. It doesn't mean you are wrong, but since none of you were providing what to me seemed like clear or effective explanations I said you were biased from my perspective based on the information that I currently have access to.

I don't want to make anything posts in this forum. I gave good reasons. I'm starting to personally lose my patience with all of you. I didn't make any fighting words. In fact, I gave a long, thoughtful post, that I thought all of you would enjoy. Then I come back in a few hours and see people insulting my post style and making fun of my post. If anything is inappropriate it is that. I have been working on my style. And I did. I understand that I did it before, and so you all chose to interpret my post that way because it conformed with your original mental image of what my style is like. But that isn't what I intended with my post, it isn't what I was saying, and I'd like an apology from all of you for reading it wrong and trying to call me out on something that I never did. I stick by my promises and I worked on what I said I was working on. Sheesh. :(

Anyway, I can promise to work on not only being more positive here, but also on improving my communication style so it's hard to read into it things like that. But that is much harder for me to do because I have little control over my communication style because of my ADHD. But I can guarantee that you read into my entire post wrong. It was supposed to be a positive light hearted jab at you all. It wasn't supposed to be me brutally making fun of you all and then getting insulted by three people all at once who are trying to defend themselves because they feel hurt. That wasn't my intention at all. And I'm sorry if I did cause that by accident. :|

Whoa! Calm down guys!! It's just opinion. I can't say everyone wrong and right here. I understood why such differences of opinion appeared. I get and read every opinion here to the point I get each of them.

Each people have different way to interpret this volume. I can say that This is one of most complex volume Kamachi made.

And let's not forget, the author of this LN is none other than Kamachi. If he didn't like it, he won't put his idea in the LN, no matter how we argued

That's true enough. And you are right. This is just my opinion. Nothing more nothing less. And I agree, Kamachi put it there because he has intentions. And I agree with them. I can see what he is going for. Regardless of his execution, I like what he was going for. Of course, nothing is ever perfect.

Kamachi is no God sent writer, he has made many mistakes that I don't like but stayed on for the characters I love in this series.

Princess Carissa is number one in my book, honestly though this entire series felt dragged on with many unanswered questions from OT still not answered yet in NT. Kamachi is far from a God sent writer and as someone who is trying to be a professional writer I have to give my honest opinion.

I think he is a god sent writer lol. I just think he is always very flawed. :heh: But I still think he is a god sent writer. He does things no other writer does. And that makes me think he is a god sent writer. For me he's a God because he is so ambitious, he puts so much together, and because he describes things so damn well. Not to mention his plots are super interesting, his characters are wonderful, and he's super original. And his stories are excellent and emotional with the best twists and foreshadowing. If that doesn't make him God, then I don't know what does. Sure he has hits and misses, but I don't really care. For me, he does something other writers are way too afraid to try and that's why he'll always be my god in a sense.

To be fair, his ability to keep people invested in the story regardless of how many flaws they find as long as they enjoy one character or aspect of the story is a notable skill in and of itself that not many LN authors are granted with. It takes a certain amount of talent to keep people this passionate about a series they keep finding flaws with since NT began and I'm unfortunately guilty of that. :heh:

@WiliamZ0 I think you're a bit mistaken on the source of this... argument, I guess. It's less about whether we enjoy what Kamachi wrote or not and more that speaking opinions has been making everyone step on one landmine or another for a few days now (even outside of this thread) and that's got nothing to do with Kamachi, or even Index.

Uh, it was just an opinion as I described earlier. He read my post right. Please don't put words in my mouth for me, and once again I apologize if my intent was hard to construe. But yes, you read it wrong. Please read it again with anger goggles off. :eyespin: And I really am sorry, even if I look like I'm being casual about this. I just don't want to cause more anger here. I don't know what to do about my communication style, but yes, you definitely read it wrong...

yep no one is perfect and I accepted that, this is why I don't go around shouting out loud how bad Kamachi is and why he should improve. I only share what I as a hopeful professional writer think about his writing decisions. But Kamachi isn't bad, I think he's pretty skilful and good but he's no where near the best and that was an opinion I had to make clear.

Exactly he has good skill I never intend to deny it. He's kept me invested but that has been seriously tested in NT, much as the characters are great, the overall story is a completely another thing and the characters can't save it forever.

Mhm. Lol. That makes sense. For me, he is near the best. But only in a few senses. I think he has lots of weaknesses. But he does some things no other writers do and those are the things I care far more about than with other aspects of writing and storytelling and this is also why I often act as I do. And once again, I don't care means I will tune out what others think. I won't pursue it vindictively, and I won't be swayed by it, but I will consider it. It's not supposed to be demeaning... sorry if I came across like that...

Probably, Most likely...

Sorry LoreMaster m(_ _)m

Lol.

What I meant was that Touma is someone that tries and works hard for what he wants to achieve, we see him stuggle just to even grasp a tiny bit of hope. Then we have Kamisato who doesn't need to put too much work for everything to just go his way (mostly because his harem does the work him), and then we have Kanou Shinka who never tried to do anything and was lead around by St Germain only to end up getting all of the credit for the defeat of St Germain and being classified as a true hero and a man just for throwing the last inconsequential punch (the only thing he did all volume long apart from cowering, crying, and getting controlled). I wasn't saying he was an exact copy but that if you compare the things that they've done they contrast against Touma and in my opinion that is a weakness of NT.

That's a pretty good analysis. And I already knew about you disliking those two lol. It annoys me, but of course I accept it. It still annoys me though. :eyespin: I feel bad for Kanou Shinka.

That's fair enough. I guess Touma meant the hero thing as Kanou getting past going on a revenge on Frenda's death. I don't think the last blow meant much, tbh I also felt that it was lacking, even with the illustration backing it. After all Kanou was not someone that memorable other than being a token Shota. Still, he didn't choose the easy way out, realized his faults and would rather St Germain kill him right there instead of tarnishing a friend's memory, that's a brave thing that should be celebrated. In that instance Touma feels he's just an outsider, which is why I think Hamazura was the star there.

Honestly at this point it's hard to compare Touma's feats to people he comes across. It puts Touma on a pedestal and I think that's a bad thing. Which is why I think it would be better to see what Touma can reflect off of others. Just like he did with Hamazura in NT 12, reflecting that he was "weak" but was OK with it after prodding from Othinus. In this case Kamisato raised an interesting point about the responsibility that comes with their powers. It would be interesting to see Touma's take on the subject. Ultimately, these other characters have influence on our main character, giving him a chance to shine in a speech or action, and that intrigues me.

So Kamisato is going to be this convenient guy who doesn't struggle when Touma would and people don't like him because of it? This is great. Of course we want to see characters make an effort, it's only logical, just like how I enjoy seeing Touma's wits and endeavors every time. It only means I need to look elsewhere for enjoying Kamisato's character. Such as what other characters would do to counter him, what's really going on behind the smug confidence (though we know more than half of it by now), what does Laura expect him to do to Aleister etc. He's part of the battle between Laura and Aleister after all.

I think we'll see more of Kamisato to come in a light that will make at least some of us feel differently about him.
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Either way, I do treat Kamachi like god at times because he is god in certain respects. I read a lot, but I can say that some of the things Kamachi does are never replicated anywhere in other writing. No other styles seem to be both so casual but also so philosophical and meta and fantastical and blah at the same time for me. I don't like it too dry, I love it chunny. But I also like the philosophy and Index goes crazy with it so I love it.

Lastly, I hate the effect of certain first impressions. I'm annoyed this happened. I won't apologize for what I said because I said nothing hurtful. I will apologize for my communication style, but I caution that I don't have much control over that. And I hope people apologize back because frankly the way you all misread my writing was pretty inappropriate all considering it was just an opinion. I've been here for a long time and I'm a lot more mature than you all probably think... :(

Edit: I recommend you all read through all sections of this post for my full answer. Each person I replied to shouldn't just look at their own section because those are individually incomplete. *derp*

Edit: Once again. I don't want to make enemies here. I just want friends. Regardless of how I may seem. I talk like this because I trust all of you. We're all fans of this series. We all want to discuss what is good and what is bad about it. And I trust that you can all see my intent and not get too hurt by it after I take the time to explain myself. We can all relatively understand each other here. That's why we all like reading a series like this in the first place anyway... probably. :eyespin: "I believe in the you that believes in me." :heh:

[mark1246]

Geez your gone for a few hours and 1 page turn into a total kamisato hate festival, where was this when Othinus show up and change her mind to go back to touma world cause "SHE FOUND A FRIEND", wish i had this backlash those years ago.....oh god it been that long

Well get got tonight chapter to wait for to see Kamisato last time to shine, cause if we know Kamachi, every charcater that gonna die get badass fight before the Quote Unquote "Bite the Dust" (well that is we save him, then he walk out of the story)

PS: have a quick question for the Die hard fans, i know i ask this yesterday but really need to know this now :)

Has...Kamachi actually foreshadow any event from his past novel for any future volumes? Me and my friends brought this up and thought really hard and we came up with nothing, (rip NT10 weather theory).

thanks

PS2: so i seeing this tread on twitter: #鎌池作品版深夜の真剣お絵描き60分一本勝負 and it litererally show tons of Nt16 fanart and other index pics. I google tran and it say this: Kamaike work version midnight seriously drawing 60-minute one-game match

is it like a "draw what u can in 60min" thing? please explain and thanks

[dniv]

Geez your gone for a few hours and 1 page turn into a total kamisato hate festival, where was this when Othinus show up and change her mind to go back to touma world cause "SHE FOUND A FRIEND", wish i had this backlash those years ago.....oh god it been that long

Well get got tonight chapter to wait for to see Kamisato last time to shine, cause if we know Kamachi, every charcater that gonna die get badass fight before the Quote Unquote "Bite the Dust" (well that is we save him, then he walk out of the story)

PS: have a quick question for the Die hard fans, i know i ask this yesterday but really need to know this now :)

Has...Kamachi actually foreshadow any event from his past novel for any future volumes? Me and my friends brought this up and thought really hard and we came up with nothing, (rip NT10 weather theory).

thanks

PS2: so i seeing this tread on twitter: #鎌池作品版深夜の真剣お絵描き60分一本勝負 and it litererally show tons of Nt16 fanart and other index pics. I google tran and it say this: Kamaike work version midnight seriously drawing 60-minute one-game match

is it like a "draw what u can in 60min" thing? please explain and thanks

To be fair, as they've said. While the dislike is annoying. They're entitled to do it. :) Just as we're entitled to dislike their dislike though it's a bit immature and we're more entitled to like the writing than to dislike their dislike. :heh:

Kamachi doesn't really foreshadow things. He just mentions things and then explores them later. But you can sort of treat it like he foreshadows them. Well... he does actually foreshadow things sometimes, he just only does it rarely.

The Dolly thing doesn't count as true foreshadowing, but Othinus does. The thing with Yuiitsu stealing Kamisato's right hand definitely counts as true foreshadowing. They're sparse, but they're definitely there.

To be clear, our unfriendly correspondences with each other in my eyes fall on the dislike side of like/dislike, but probably on the good side of good/evil.

Good intentions, but stupid misunderstandings, just like generic harem protagonist anime. :eyespin:

P.S. I'll admit. We've all been tossing around the word hate too casually, and for that I apologize in retrospect.

[LazyHunter]

@dniv
I'm not making fun of your post or insulting your writing style or opinion. If you read my post that way, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention. Maybe people have done it previously, I wouldn't know since I'm not particularly active between volume translations. However, I have seen you overreact to people criticizing Kamachi or the series in previous occasions, which is what I am talking about, which has nothing to do with you having a favorable opinion of the series or Kamachi. People are simply pointing out that you're being unfair and dismissing a lot of criticism. I'm just answering to the part you have under my post in your quote, but these are my problems with your previous post in more detail. As you can see, it has nothing to do with your writing style or the fact that you like the series. If you inverted the claims so that you were someone who dislikes the series and has issues with people liking it, I would have the same problemswith the post.
All of you. I don't understand your hatred for Kamiaato. And to be frank, I don't really care. I thought Kamisato was done quite well here. All of you are just far too biased against him. I swear. I mean, he is a Touma tier character whether you like it or not. I don't know what you mean by Touma tier, but going by the rest of your post I assume that you mean he's a great character. However, while saying "X is a great character" is a completely valid opinion, following it with "whether you like it or not" implies you believe this to be an objective fact and that people who don't share your opinion are wrong. Plenty of people dislike or hate Touma. Their opinions are just as valid as the ones from people who like him. Also, like I mentioned, saying that you don't really care about people's hatred for Kamisato but proceeding to write several paragraphs defending him and Kamachi's choices makes your claim unbelievable IMO.
Anyway, what I've tried to point out since long ago is that the people who read this sort of series don't have any sort of patience for the sort of character like Kamisato who is the opposite of Touma who represents the essence of what this series is like. However, that's an important point. If you want to really see all the different ideologies, then you need to also look at Kamisato and accept him instead of just cutting him off and not reading his role.You're assuming that people don't like him because they don't have patience to read future content or because they don't read his role. However, future content is irrelevant to present opinion. Someone who has read the parts with Kamisato until now and thinks "I don't like this guy" is completely on his right to judge the character on what they have experienced so far. Similarly, you assume people are not reading/understanding his role, but considering that he's written as a clear parallel to Touma, I have trouble believing there's that many people missing that, especially after multiple volumes using those parallels. Therefore, I think the obvious answer as to why some people don't like Kamisato is not because they don't understand his character or lack patience to read his character arc; it's because they don't like his type of character, they dislike the story focusing on the parallels between him and Touma, dislike that a powerful ability like WR appeared out of nowhere, or because of any of the legitimate reasons to dislike him.
My main point here is that Kamisato actually has quite a lot of depth and maybe you don't like his current development or changes to the story. But he is a character in this story and there's a reason Kamachi put him in here. He isn't just some animal in a zoo. Lots of people in the real world think like him and it's important to show what an idealized version of said thought process is like. I fully expect him to change in the next two chapters or to flat out die. The between the lines already made that more than obvious.But a character having a lot of depth, being used for developing the story or other characters, or having character development doesn't mean people can't dislike the character or the effects they have in the story, so people are still free to dislike him.
And regardless of how all of you choose to dislike Kamisato and be blinded by your dislike of a foreign Element (no pun intended :heh: ) to this series, he represents something important here, and it is true that the more character development he'll get the more he'll grow on you as is true Kamachi style.Once again, you assume people dislike Kamisato for being a foreign element. Some probably do. Others maybe don't like the parallels to Touma. Some don't like his attitude. Some won't like his design. And you last claim is simply not true; I can recognize a character has character development but still dislike them. I know people who will admit to knowing Accelerator has changed from the villain he was in OT3, but still dislike him due not liking his personality, not liking antiheroes that have such heavy bdoy counts like him on their backs, not liking characters who are so overpowered you have to write very specific situations/villains that can challeng them, or even people who didn't want him to become a better person and liked him better as a villain. All of those opinions are valid.
He even made you all like Fiamma and Othinus sheesh. Why wouldn't he be able to succeed with a derpy Kamisato?I persobally haven't seen many people complaining about Fiamma, but I'm sure there are fans who don't like him. And Othinus definitely has fans who don't like her. Every character has their detractors.

But this is why it's important to consider his character even if you don't like it. It IS a valid approach. You just don't like it because that isn't why you started reading this series. And yet, including Kamisato raises the maturity of the series much higher.Again, you are assuming things, other people have given reasons as to why they don't like him. And I personally don't see how his inclusion raises the "maturity" of the series.

I'm going to drop this issue since I don't particularly want to waste both of our times discussing it. To sum up my statement: I don't have an issue with you liking the series. It would be stupid of me to do so, since I like Kamachi series in general. What I have an issue with is you dismissing criticism like that.

[mark1246]

To be fair, as they've said. While the dislike is annoying. They're entitled to do it. :) Just as we're entitled to dislike their dislike though it's a bit immature and we're more entitled to like the writing than to dislike their dislike. :heh:

Kamachi doesn't really foreshadow things. He just mentions things and then explores them later. But you can sort of treat it like he foreshadows them. Well... he does actually foreshadow things sometimes, he just only does it rarely.

The Dolly thing doesn't count as true foreshadowing, but Othinus does. The thing with Yuiitsu stealing Kamisato's right hand definitely counts as true foreshadowing. They're sparse, but they're definitely there.

To be clear, our unfriendly correspondences with each other in my eyes fall on the dislike side of like/dislike, but probably on the good side of good/evil.

Good intentions, but stupid misunderstandings, just like generic harem protagonist anime. :eyespin:

P.S. I'll admit. We've all been tossing around the word hate too casually, and for that I apologize in retrospect.

1. thanks for the reply

2. WAIT WHAT, when was it imply or foreshadow that That kihara Girl was gonna cut off Kamisato Arm in Nt14 or 15, dont remeber any dialogue or between the line suggesting it, man dniv you got some good memory if you can remember that, do you know which part it was in the novel?

3. here the best comparison that i can think of Kamisato sudden badass moment ;)
So gonna take a page from a very popular series called Tokyo Ghoul Part1: AKA before Re:. Our MC Ken kaneki, got some insane power but doesnt know how to use it properly or doesnt seem that strong. After some ...."certain" situation, our Charcater happen to become a badass and reck the hell out of his opponent. But looking back on it, despite it being cool, your brain start to think and say "wait.....how did he even do that without any fighting experience" .....(wow Kaneki does that with almost all his fights now that i think about it :uhoh: ). I think people kinda get tick off with revelation Dniv, sudden power up or boost in intelligence seem like a cop out and people hate cop out

but like you said before, people are entitled to there opinion and im fine with that :p

PS: (Also rip the Ring Thoery back in NT3, cause my friend HOPE so much misaka would give it to touma for Christmas, but I dont think it gonna happen)

[dniv]

@dniv
I'm not making fun of your post or insulting your writing style or opinion. If you read my post that way, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention. Maybe people have done it previously, I wouldn't know since I'm not particularly active between volume translations. However, I have seen you overreact to people criticizing Kamachi or the series in previous occasions, which is what I am talking about, which has nothing to do with you having a favorable opinion of the series or Kamachi. People are simply pointing out that you're being unfair and dismissing a lot of criticism. I'm just answering to the part you have under my post in your quote, but these are my problems with your previous post in more detail. As you can see, it has nothing to do with your writing style or the fact that you like the series. If you inverted the claims so that you were someone who dislikes the series and has issues with people liking it, I would have the same problemswith the post.
I don't know what you mean by Touma tier, but going by the rest of your post I assume that you mean he's a great character. However, while saying "X is a great character" is a completely valid opinion, following it with "whether you like it or not" implies you believe this to be an objective fact and that people who don't share your opinion are wrong. Plenty of people dislike or hate Touma. Their opinions are just as valid as the ones from people who like him. Also, like I mentioned, saying that you don't really care about people's hatred for Kamisato but proceeding to write several paragraphs defending him and Kamachi's choices makes your claim unbelievable IMO.
You're assuming that people don't like him because they don't have patience to read future content or because they don't read his role. However, future content is irrelevant to present opinion. Someone who has read the parts with Kamisato until now and thinks "I don't like this guy" is completely on his right to judge the character on what they have experienced so far. Similarly, you assume people are not reading/understanding his role, but considering that he's written as a clear parallel to Touma, I have trouble believing there's that many people missing that, especially after multiple volumes using those parallels. Therefore, I think the obvious answer as to why some people don't like Kamisato is not because they don't understand his character or lack patience to read his character arc; it's because they don't like his type of character, they dislike the story focusing on the parallels between him and Touma, dislike that a powerful ability like WR appeared out of nowhere, or because of any of the legitimate reasons to dislike him.
But a character having a lot of depth, being used for developing the story or other characters, or having character development doesn't mean people can't dislike the character or the effects they have in the story, so people are still free to dislike him.
Once again, you assume people dislike Kamisato for being a foreign element. Some probably do. Others maybe don't like the parallels to Touma. Some don't like his attitude. Some won't like his design. And you last claim is simply not true; I can recognize a character has character development but still dislike them. I know people who will admit to knowing Accelerator has changed from the villain he was in OT3, but still dislike him due not liking his personality, not liking antiheroes that have such heavy bdoy counts like him on their backs, not liking characters who are so overpowered you have to write very specific situations/villains that can challeng them, or even people who didn't want him to become a better person and liked him better as a villain. All of those opinions are valid.
I persobally haven't seen many people complaining about Fiamma, but I'm sure there are fans who don't like him. And Othinus definitely has fans who don't like her. Every character has their detractors.

Again, you are assuming things, other people have given reasons as to why they don't like him. And I personally don't see how his inclusion raises the "maturity" of the series.

I'm going to drop this issue since I don't particularly want to waste both of our times discussing it. To sum up my statement: I don't have an issue with you liking the series. It would be stupid of me to do so, since I like Kamachi series in general. What I have an issue with is you dismissing criticism like that.

I see that my writing style was unclear, and for that I apologize. I recommend reading the whole previous post of mine. I sort of mentioned at the end that it wouldn't make sense unless you read what I said to everyone about it lol. Also, there was some prior context there so I think you got accidentally wrapped up in all of that. :heh:

I agree that I've been like this in the past and I'm currently working on it so I can understand why you made that post with good intentions and I appreciate that from you, so thank you. :) I wasn't trying to shut down the hate. I was sort of jabbing you all politely to try to get you all to explain more about why you felt the way you did and I was starting off the discussion by giving my PoV and providing my own reasons so that we could learn from each other.

And that's what I meant when I defended and wrote about Kamisato. I don't care = I won't force you to change your opinions, but I want to say what I think and then have a discussion about all of this so we can balance our opinions and learn from each other. :)

By Touma tier, I meant importance or power wise. I didn't mean like wise. I don't actually like Kamisato all that much. I just don't feel nearly as bad about him as I did at the beginning and I'm growing to possibly feeling somewhat positively towards him as opposed to indifferently, but I'll only be able to tell how I feel after the epilogue of this volume.

As far as the parallel to Touma thing. I'm sure most people have noticed that. But I wanted to focus on specific types of parallels. I just wanted to point out that even if people don't really like that type of thing, I like Touma am of the opinion that there is nothing that you can't bring yourself to like if it is explained convincingly enough. You may never agree with it and may ignore it when you see it, but anything if good enough should be able to awe you and at least grudgingly admit that it's good even if you'll never want to recommend it to anyone else you know. :heh: :eyespin: (At least, I'm saying this under the assumption that something you personally enjoy has forced you to come into contact with something that you don't enjoy, and then that thing you don't enjoy is explained at length and in depth.) I'm sort of like that with Attack on Titan. I give it a lot of hatred, but I'm aware that it's much better than I pretend it is. But that's why I ask people to engage me about Kamisato. I don't know or even expect them to change their minds. But I still hope to have a discussion first so that we can at least figure these things out. I'm also interested in knowing why people dislike him, but I can't know that unless I see thoroughly explained reasons. And I'm also just doing what I feel entitled to do, mentioning how he'll be getting lots of development soon. Index always does that and fans always do this thing where they judge the novels before reading them (especially after looking at spoilers or whatever) and that's why I tend to throw out those reminders in the first place. They're not supposed to be looking down on you. They're really just me trying to start a discussion because I want to know WHY. That's all...

For me, I'm a relativist, so when I say whether you like it or not, ... it means that regardless of how you feel, I personally believe "..." Since I'm not an objectivist, I don't mean for you to take it that way, but that's just my poor communication I see. :eyespin:

Right. People do dislike Touma. I can sort of understand where they are coming from. (It annoys me lol, but of course I do understand.)

And I can see that you really misunderstood my previous post because you assumed that I particularly like Kamisato, and I don't. I think completely opposite of that, I'm an idealist, and he pisses me off. But I at least understood where he is coming from now, and I wanted to share that.

I also can understand and appreciate how people don't like certain parts of the story like Kamisato coming in and randomly changing things and blah blah blah. And having things too easy for himself. But at least as far as how I'm reading in the story, and predicting things, I'm sort of already mentally imagining how I expect him to use these sorts of things to stick it to him harder later, and that's sort of why I find this interesting.

And as a last point. I want to state that I find that his entrance makes the series more "mature" because it forces the readers to have to deal with the literal antithesis to what they know and love in a series that teaches its readers to consider all ways of living and saving people. Kamachi has been foreshadowing this for the longest time and he made it pretty obvious that this would happen when they had the discussion about different types of heroes in NT 7. NT 9 with Touma changing himself because of what he had to deal with made it even more obvious.

This is why I think that this was a very mature step to make. Kamisato isn't the sort of Index character all of us are used to. But he still makes for a very interesting less biased sort of storytelling. Because Index portrays a certain type of ideal, and Kamisato represents what people who may be sort of opposite to Touma think like, and that's a valid way of thinking. And making us the readers directly have to face and deal with that and realize that there are people like that who see the world like that and get things so easily for them, improves the depth of the story as a whole even if it's annoying to see and read. All I'm going to say is that an analogy can probably be made between what it is like to have Kamisato after all this Touma and what it is like to have Railgun S after Railgun season 1 for Railgun anime only fans. And I personally think that while it sort of sucks from some perspectives, I can still appreciate what Kamachi is doing.

I totally understand if people don't like it. But it does frustrate me as a long-time fan, because I think being able to accept this other way of thinking and doing things is one of Kamachi's goals in writing this series so it saddens me when it's clear that he may be rushing too much or his writing style or the translation speed may be done in such a way that people are turned off from that sort of ideal or thinking.

That's all I want to say anyway. It's my selfish disappointment. Nothing more, nothing less. :eyespin:

Anyway, thanks for the advice. :D Just wanted to clear that up. :)

Edit: @Mark1246

So... as far as Yuuitsu stealing the power. We've seen Touma's hand disappear a few times now. And Aleister has talked about taking his hand and doing something with it so the fact that hands could be used while taken from the person was foreshadowed. Fiamma also tried to do that, but he sort of failed.

The way in which Yuuitsu made the hand "seizure" work was that she used the memory wipe thing from Saint Germain so that's foreshadowing from NT 12, she combined that with the stuff revealed from the Parasite which was NT 14, and she also put in some stuff from NT 13 which I think had to do with an understanding of how the magic god stuff worked perhaps. But yes, there were multiple layers here and there throughout the latter parts of NT that foreshadowed her doing that. Like, we couldn't figure out it was going to happen per say, but all of the incidents that led to her being able to do that happened in sequence right before that plot point, so it's effectively foreshadowing of it.

Edit:

I personally am still frustrated by Kamisato because he doesn't care about anything. He ruins a lot of cool things and blah blah blah, and he's quite selfish. But that interests me and I think Kamachi is handling him well. He's like this annoying cheat bug in a series full of interesting characters but we're slowly starting to see how everything is not right with him and that's made me think more about things and I'm excited and curious to see what Kamachi is planning on doing with him from here on out...

[LazyHunter]

So we both misundertood each other's post. Well, it wasn't the first time and it likely won't be the last, so better to just acknowledge we both jumped the gun and move on. I agree with you on some things. Particularly, I also feel that some fans are too quick to pass judgement on some volumes, it gets a little tiring whenever a new volume's summary comes out and seeing the same silly complaints over and over again.

At this point, I feel that unless the summary is practically "Aleister Crowley/Laura Stuart launches the end phase of their plan and Magic goes to war with Science" there will be people saying it's filler or useless, or whatever. Which is silly, since the only volume that you could interpret that way would be NT11, which was a breather volume between major Arcs, which we've had before in OT with the SS volumes. Kamachi should have labelled it as SS, but I think people would have complained anyway, despite Kamachi explaining in the Afterword that it was a story he wanted to tell but couldn't find a good place to put it, thus its placement between the Othinus and Gremlin's arcs.

Since I'm also more of an idealist, I don't particularly agree with Kamisato's view of things. But one thing Kamachi does that I like, is that he can make idealistic heroes share a series with antiheroes without making either side look stupid, giving both of the sides points. It gets a little boring trying to read stuff with an edgy MC that constantly bashes more idealistic characters or portrays them as total idiots. The opposite is also true, idealistic series that have antiheroes or pragmatic heroes portrayed as outright villains/evil. Because Kamachi balances both, I like how these last novels have explored just how different Touma and Kakeru's approaches to their issues are, and how the two interact with each other and react to the other's actions. We can see how Kakeru's influence makes Touma question some things he had never done before, but also reaffirm his posture; and Touma's influence leading to Kakeru making some self-discovery and examining his own motives a bit better, but still keeping his own goals and ideals.

[dniv]

So we both misundertood each other's post. Well, it wasn't the first time and it likely won't be the last, so better to just acknowledge we both jumped the gun and move on. I agree with you on some things. Particularly, I also feel that some fans are too quick to pass judgement on some volumes, it gets a little tiring whenever a new volume's summary comes out and seeing the same silly complaints over and over again.

At this point, I feel that unless the summary is practically "Aleister Crowley/Laura Stuart launches the end phase of their plan and Magic goes to war with Science" there will be people saying it's filler or useless, or whatever. Which is silly, since the only volume that you could interpret that way would be NT11, which was a breather volume between major Arcs, which we've had before in OT with the SS volumes. Kamachi should have labelled it as SS, but I think people would have complained anyway, despite Kamachi explaining in the Afterword that it was a story he wanted to tell but couldn't find a good place to put it, thus its placement between the Othinus and Gremlin's arcs.

Since I'm also more of an idealist, I don't particularly agree with Kamisato's view of things. But one thing Kamachi does that I like, is that he can make idealistic heroes share a series with antiheroes without making either side look stupid, giving both of the sides points. It gets a little boring trying to read stuff with an edgy MC that constantly bashes more idealistic characters or portrays them as total idiots. The opposite is also true, idealistic series that have antiheroes or pragmatic heroes portrayed as outright villains/evil. Because Kamachi balances both, I like how these last novels have explored just how different Touma and Kakeru's approaches to their issues are, and how the two interact with each other and react to the other's actions. We can see how Kakeru's influence makes Touma question some things he had never done before, but also reaffirm his posture; and Touma's influence leading to Kakeru making some self-discovery and examining his own motives a bit better, but still keeping his own goals and ideals.

Wow. I agree with your entire post, and that was truly beautifully worded. If I could like your post, I would. That summarizes a lot of my thoughts, in a very effective manner. Therefore, thanks, and cheers. :D *LIKE* xD

[Kuroageha]

While you were arguing, an update came up.

Enjoy it, the ride is almost over.

[mark1246]

Holy crap thanks js06 he finish trabslating the volume.

2. Oh I see why, ch 4 is really short

Time to see some action until kamisato bite the dust.....man I'm to into jojo right now

[Loremaster]

It seems the issue that caused this disturbance has been rectified, so I will not respond to those parts any further. Let's continue discussing while respecting each other's right to hold an opinion.

Kamisato isn't someone I truly hate as a character. I'll be very honest with you while I didn't enjoy the overshadowing of everything in NT13 by his entrance. I did very well get excited that well this might be it. Laura is finally making her move, and he is her knight that will step forward to help bring Aleister Crowley down.

I mean that's part of her job right? Though she probably has her motivations Laura Stuart's plans aren't exactly on the table here. And that creeps into my reasons NT falls flat compared to OT, but that's a different discussion.

But I digress I was first excited, but what we got, in my opinion, is someone who stinks of Touma who had another special right hand. He acted while not the same his attitudes echoes Touma 's personality and status. He has the harem which though works differently and recently he has told a recent someone that they're living their life correctly.

Remind you of anyone?

But the important point of why I dislike him because he has no real context. Nothing that he has gone through is a shred of the same as others characters I enjoyed here. I want him to struggle and through that, we will learn the real Kamisato and not this high strung arrogant fool.

That's at least if you expect me to care about him. It took me a while to like Misaka Mikoto, and it took the manga to divulge her personality in a more refined way that got me to like the girl. The issue is similar here Kamisato has been barely here for three novels. It's just me I cannot get behind this character at the moment, and I will not shed a tear when he meets his end even now.

Because unlike Touma and Misaka Mikoto, who we saw the struggles of the former who was introduced as a powerful individual who can handle stuff her own. Then we were given OT3 and while it didn't win me over to see such a powerful person to be broken in this way was rather well done.

It was nice to see it, and yet it only suffered in OT3 because at that point we didn't care that much about this girl. She wasn't well known, and we couldn't properly relate. Than we got the manga and the anime release of the Railgun version which was the best version in my opinion. It hit the right cords more perfectly because we saw the sisters arc in more detail.

We saw the struggle and we saw the depths of her character.

I don't see anything like this with him and the narrative seems to make us want to feel sorry for him. I cannot for a character which hadn't experienced the same development or at least the time to know him like the others I do enjoy.

Three volumes aren't enough, so I have no intention to hide that at this point I don't care for the guy.

Now while writing this a new update has appeared with NT16 fully translated. The above applies to everything up to chapter 3 and I'll read the rest tomorrow after work. And I actually do hope the final parts will change my mind as I know from just a glance they seem to left the girls of Tokwiadai's fate rather unknown.

But I guess I can forgive Kamachi for this decision due to what is happening in chapter 4.

Anyway until tomorrow. I'll give my reactions to the rest of the volume.

[DragonXX]

So Touma is done not acting like himself now, it took around 6 volumes for him to yell that he is going to start his comeback.

The fact that Crowley Fortress seen to be a ship, add another unknown mystery to his plan because there no way that his fortress being a ship is not another part of his unknown plan.
What do you all think his fortress being a ship have to do which his unknown plan?

Also once again Touma ask the question What was AC make for?

Also the things we know about Crowley Plan is:
Crowley said Fiamma plan was like his but of an old Aeon
The Sister network needing to be all around the world
An Artificial Heaven
A Level 6 which Accel being the main plan and Kakine the spare plan.
(We still don't know why Kakine is the spare plan?)
A temple filled with strange power, drawing out the power of the right arm within that temple or something like this
IT
Aweiss and Artificial Angels
If there any other things I miss please tell me?