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Nachtwandler
2016-10-01, 13:45
I will just repeat my comment in general thread.
First episode was actually decent. For now it looks like first arc of Vivid but done right.
Random Wanderer
2016-10-01, 18:44
OMG, Einhart's accepted the Harunyan nickname for general use! :love: Given the way this mess is working with this franchise we may never see the moment when she receives said nickname, but it's still wonderful.
Oh hey, Sieg spotted in the OP! I still love you, Sieg!
Kazu-kun
2016-10-01, 18:55
I thought they said Einhart was the Under 15 champion, but then they said Rinne is the Under 15 champion. I'm confused. Who's the champion then?
Random Wanderer
2016-10-01, 19:09
I thought they said Einhart was the Under 15 champion, but then they said Rinne is the champion. I'm confused. Who's the champion then?
Well, Nove specifically says "world champion" for Einhart, but even though the translation that I saw used the same English words for Rinne, what Einhart called her was different. If I were to make a rough approximation of a translation, it would be something like "the current under 15 first-place in world ranking." Someone better at Japanese than I am can feel free to take their shot in there...
We don't have a clear picture of everything yet. Right now we don't actually know the exact date, although extra materials tell us this is set about a year after Vivid. But Vivid hasn't ended yet. We don't know how long it lasts, and what happens in it. We don't know exactly how long a time period this "about a year" is. We don't know exactly when Einhart won her champion title, or if she competed in the same tournament that Rinne was in. In fact, that may not even be the Inter-middle tournament, since the Inter-middle accepted up to 19-year-olds. There are too many pieces missing for us to get the details clear right now.
green-link94
2016-10-01, 19:26
Well here is a gtranslate of the world entries on the official site fi anyone is intrested. And about both Rinne and Einhart being champions in the last entry atleast if gtranslate is accurate enough there is a winter and spring tournament atleast maybe? So probably different tournaments a more proper translation could say for certain though.
http://vivid-strike.com/world/
magic
In the dimension the world in one of the standard techniques, to operate by using the magic elements in the air.
Light called "magic light" is generated at the time of manifestation, this magic light color is different for each individual.
Strike Arts
The most widespread martial arts in Middochiruda.
At the center blow technology to fight around the fist-punch-kick is, there are many gym or dojo, competitions are also a number held.
Fighting competition
On the basis of the competition rules of each tournament, the competition in general that players fight in martial arts.
Various organizations are deploying tournament in different scale, usually referred to have been surrounded by rope "ring"
Fight on stage.
Comprehensive magic against the competition
Competition players fight by making full use of the comprehensive combat techniques that magic weapon was also included.
Rules and the stage is different for each tournament. Commonly known as "comprehensive".
Comprehensive magic against the competition
Sports associations.
It has held a number of fighting the competition and comprehensive magic against the competition.
10-19-year-old players comprehensive magic game Games can participate as a tournament sponsored by "inter Middle Champion
Ship "and the spring and the competition of fighting the competition that takes place in the winter," Spring Cup "," Winter Cup "is well known.
EDIT: there could also be something on the character pages since Einharts mentions her champion status
http://vivid-strike.com/character/
Random Wanderer
2016-10-01, 19:35
So... anyone want to bet that Rinne ended up adopted in the family of someone we know? I'm leaning towards Victoria's family, personally.
FlareKnight
2016-10-01, 19:39
You know what...I thought that was a good start.
Fuka is the kind of lead I can get behind. Right now her goal is pretty straight forward and understandable. Really the only person in the world she considered family became lost to her and she just kind of spiraled into a mess as a result. Her focus for getting stronger was shattered. The person she wanted to protect becoming stronger than her wasn't even really the problem. It was that she appeared to become a stranger who represented everything she wanted to protect her friend from.
Obviously there is something going on as to why Rinne did all that. She's still that person inside. For whatever reason....she thought it was a good idea to break her best friend's heart. I'm sure she thought it was necessary to keep that attitude going.
Regardless...ouch. Talk about a brutal introduction to the main cast. Getting systematically beaten to a pulp by all of them :heh:.
Requiem-x
2016-10-01, 19:41
Well, there certainly wasn't any time wasted in making clear this is a sports anime, or getting to introduce everything and everyone, which is probably for the best, since its probably assumed you already know most of the cast.
It does feel like a better sports anime than vivid already; story seems standard, but it gets to the point, animation is ok, Fuka turned out to be a nice character, and I like her voice.
Oh, hi, Sieg! I actually didn't expect to see you here.
All that said
Maybe it was a bit too soon to show Rinne didn't actually become a pretentious jerk. I mean, can't we have even a little bit of antagonism or a problem to solve? Maybe she's being used by her adoptive family or something like that.
I mean, come on, the series' tag line is all about protecting, not everything can be super duper fun times in here.
OMG, Einhart's accepted the Harunyan nickname for general use! :love: Given the way this mess is working with this franchise we may never see the moment when she receives said nickname, but it's still wonderful.
Oh hey, Sieg spotted in the OP! I still love you, Sieg!
Wait, that's a manga thing? Guess it shouldn't surprise me, I stopped reading a while ago.
...and it seems Yumina is also from the manga. Good thing vivid isn't plot heavy, or I'd be lost :heh: And speaking of Yumina, wow Vivio, you're losing terrain FAST :rolleyes:
Random Wanderer
2016-10-01, 19:58
You know what...I thought that was a good start.
Fuka is the kind of lead I can get behind. Right now her goal is pretty straight forward and understandable. Really the only person in the world she considered family became lost to her and she just kind of spiraled into a mess as a result. Her focus for getting stronger was shattered. The person she wanted to protect becoming stronger than her wasn't even really the problem. It was that she appeared to become a stranger who represented everything she wanted to protect her friend from.
Obviously there is something going on as to why Rinne did all that. She's still that person inside. For whatever reason....she thought it was a good idea to break her best friend's heart. I'm sure she thought it was necessary to keep that attitude going.
A lot to think about, for sure. It's clear to us that Rinne isn't really as cold as she acted, but for some reason she wants Fuka to believe that she is. But whatever her intent, it seems to me like it would have backfired pretty horribly if Einhart hadn't stumbled onto the situation: Fuka was heading full-speed towards winding up as a body in a ditch somewhere. She clearly didn't have any idea of what to live for after she believed she'd lost Rinne.
Regardless...ouch. Talk about a brutal introduction to the main cast. Getting systematically beaten to a pulp by all of them :heh:.
The hard-knock lesson to anyone who thinks they already know how to fight: have someone (or multiple someones) who looks weak kick the stuffing out of them. It did actually help her regain an interest: after they beat her up, it was Fuka who brought up the fact that if she couldn't beat them, she wouldn't have a chance against Rinne.
Wait, that's a manga thing? Guess it shouldn't surprise me, I stopped reading a while ago.
Yes. Chapter 48.
...and it seems Yumina is also from the manga.
Also yes. Chapter 64.
Seeing the current Rinne makes it hard to imagine her past timid self. The terror of growth rate. :heh:
Well Einhart kinda mellowed down too, she's using Harunyan casually.
Triple_R
2016-10-01, 21:28
That was a pretty solid first episode. My only major issue is that it feels a little awkward to watch this after where the Vivid anime left off. I mean, it feels like I watched half-way through this show's predecessor, and am now jumping into this new show having missed key details from the 2nd half of this show's predecessor. In other words, there's a big plot gap in my personal head-canon, and it is a little frustrating to me. :heh:
It doesn't help that...
I thought they said Einhart was the Under 15 champion, but then they said Rinne is the Under 15 champion. I'm confused. Who's the champion then?
Yeah, this also confused me.
Still, Fuka is a good lead character so far, and her personal background is a refreshing change of pace from Vivio's (and Nanoha's before Vivio).
The action scenes are also well-presented.
In addition to the above, I pretty much agree with Requiem-X's post.
Requiem-x
2016-10-01, 22:48
That was a pretty solid first episode. My only major issue is that it feels a little awkward to watch this after where the Vivid anime left off. I mean, it feels like I watched half-way through this show's predecessor, and am now jumping into this new show having missed key details from the 2nd half of this show's predecessor. In other words, there's a big plot gap in my personal head-canon, and it is a little frustrating to me. :heh:
From what I've read (comments, not the manga), the manga has gone on for so long that at this point a second season might not help as much as you think.
FlareKnight
2016-10-01, 22:49
Ok maybe I've got the Under 15 champion figured out. Einhart is the current world champ for that age group. But currently Rinne's point totals has her ranked #1 in the world in that age group. So she's at the top, but she hasn't won a specific tournament that would place her as the current champion.
Since it sounded less like they were saying that Rinne is the champ, but rather she is just ranked #1. Normally I'd consider that the same thing, but then nothing would make sense :heh:.
If nothing else I do like the background and personality for Fuka. She does provide a breath of fresh air as a lead in the show.
Rising Dragon
2016-10-01, 22:52
So it's similar to how Sieglinde was at the top, even though she hadn't competed in the previous tournament in ViVid?
Random Wanderer
2016-10-01, 23:05
So it's similar to how Sieglinde was at the top, even though she hadn't competed in the previous tournament in ViVid?
Sieg was at the top because she'd won the Inter-middle tournament on the interdimensional level every single time she competed. She had never lost. There's a slight difference in scale: none of the girls in this series are competing with anyone beyond Midchilda.
With Rinne we can conclude that perhaps the tournament she's involved in is still ongoing, or perhaps that the competitions she's involved in right now, in which she is the top-ranked fighter for her age group, are not the same as the tournament that Einhart won to become named the world champion.
HighGuard
2016-10-01, 23:27
So not magical girl series..... So confused.
Since it sounded less like they were saying that Rinne is the champ, but rather she is just ranked #1. Normally I'd consider that the same thing, but then nothing would make sense :heh:.
Well, guess it depends on how the ranking's done, and how much the championship affects the rankings. Heck, even in real-world sport, it's possible for a non-champ team to be the #1 team.
So... anyone want to bet that Rinne ended up adopted in the family of someone we know? I'm leaning towards Victoria's family, personally.
Seems likely.
http://i.imgur.com/a9Tgvyf.jpg
Random Wanderer
2016-10-01, 23:43
So not magical girl series..... So confused.
It is, it's just grown increasingly non-standard. If you watched the OP near the end of the episode you'll have seen a few of the girls activate their barrier jackets, which is still an all-out magical girl transformation. But the Nanoha series has always been about friendship forged through combat. StrikerS shifted it more towards a military direction than a magical one (although the magic had always been magitech, really, Strikers just drove that home a bit more), and the young generation in Vivid and Vivid Strike are currently living in a time of peace that their parents brought them in the previous seasons, so they're using their powers in sports events and tournaments rather than to save the world.
Seems likely.
http://i.imgur.com/a9Tgvyf.jpg
That was one of the big reasons why I suspected Victoria's family. Looking back, though, that view we got of Rinne's home has a note that it's the Berlinetta mansion, so Rinne Berlinetta probably hasn't been adopted by Victoria Dahlgren. That poster is a pretty strong indicator of a connection, though. I'll still place bets on Victoria being involved in Rinne's training.
AlHollow
2016-10-01, 23:58
About Einhart and Rinne rating positions.
Right you are, guys. At character page is clearly written, that Rinne has recent No.1 rank U-15 and aims for the throne of Einhart, the reigning champion. We can strongly presume, that this "world championship" is local Mid-Childian title and isn't related to Inter-Dimensional tournament, where Zig and other primes would obviously dominate.
Laevatein
2016-10-02, 05:07
Regardless...ouch. Talk about a brutal introduction to the main cast. Getting systematically beaten to a pulp by all of them :heh:.
Everyone wants to befriend her!
Benigmatica
2016-10-02, 08:19
It feels weird that ViVid Strike! is a pseudo-sequel to Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid. I mean, I think Seven Arcs might have adapted some later chapters for this spin-off.
With that said, it's great that Fuuka learned one of Einhart's techniques to land a devastating blow against Vivio-chan, although it's a long way to go before confronting her childhood friend Rinne.
novalysis
2016-10-02, 11:27
I have a theory that this show is going to go into darker places than we think, with call-backs to previous ideas, themes and plot-threads in the Nanoha-verse. I have a suspicion that Rinne and/or Fuuka may well be actually victims of illegal black artificial-mage projects abandoned after the aftermath of the JS Incident while very, very young, and hence being sent to orphanages. Also, Fuuka intuitively using magic from a very young age to enhance her physical capabilities may not be a simple accident of nature, unlike Nanoha - this is presuming of course, that's what Fuuka did in that opening scene.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Rinne happens to parallel an Erio Mondiall in reverse - a project Fate Clone taken from a stolen genetic sample of a rather powerful Mage who later married upwards. Later on, said Mage managed to learn that she was cloned without her consent, and tracked down the clone to an orphanage. At least, I think something as earth-shattering and of the magnitude of learning that you were a clone meant to be a more powerful version of an original and adopted by the original might be needed explain why Rinne took a 360 degree shift in personality. She's certainly seems to be the "Fate" parallel to Fuuka's "Nanoha."
Finally, Fuuka bitterly telling Einhart that aristocrats like Einhart cannot understand the struggles of the commoners hints at an interesting and very substantial socio-economic divide in Mid-Childa. I also suspect that the troubles that Fuuka seems to have with the seedier side of Mid-Childa may well have attracted the attention of certain people in the TSAB we know are linked closely to the Vivid plot. If this is the case, I wonder where Einhart's intelligence on Fuuka's situation is coming from. And I wouldn't be surprised that Einhart understands the seedier side of Mid Childa that Fuuka experienced, more than Fuuka thinks. I get the feeling we might finally get answers about Einhart's personal background and immediate family history that the Vivid Manga never went into.
These are just some theories and observations, but I am very skeptical that Vivid Strike is going to play the magical girl nor fighting shounen genre straight, nor is the case of Rinne merely a girl changing because she was adopted into a wealthy family. I'd definitely be watching this show closely.
FlareKnight
2016-10-02, 11:37
I'm curious to see where things go with the story. They could simply have Fuuka and Rinne be just inherently gifted magic users like Nanoha. There are bound to be a few prodigies in that society that slip through the cracks.
Although being orphans does create the possibility of any kind of background the story wants. At the very least it shows that the rich/poor divide really does exist in all sorts of societies. They have explored how things aren't perfect in this society anyways from StrikerS and the Sound Stages. Not everything gets seen or reported. Thus you had that first flashback with Fuuka getting into a brawl with those guys.
It does create some possibilities as to why Rinne pushed Fuuka away (with her fists :heh:). That she learned something or changed in some way and wanted to keep Fuuka from learning about it. Even if it meant shattering their relationship in the process.
The great thing is that they have a lot of flexibility for this show. They could play it pretty straight in terms of a sports/fighting series with magic thrown into the mix. It could go rather dark if they wanted as well. Or it could be a nice mix that just makes notes of the unsavory side of Mid-society.
Everyone wants to befriend her!
It really is the Nanoha style. Friendship by beating the stuffing out of someone :heh:. The tactic made sense of course. In order to get Fuuka to accept the benefits of learning a fighting style, she had to see how far behind she was. That just raw potential doesn't do much against those who have potential and a framework/style to draw that out.
Clearly the only way for Fuuka to clear things up with Rinne is also by beating her into the ground :heh:. Although losing a fight to her didn't help their friendship...
Requiem-x
2016-10-02, 11:43
It really is the Nanoha style. Friendship by beating the stuffing out of someone :heh:.
Clearly the only way for Fuka to clear things up with Rinne is also by beating her into the ground :heh:. Although losing a fight to her didn't help their friendship...
But this time the protagonist is on the receiver side :heh:
The principle of Nanoha style befriending is to show your honest feelings through fighting. Rinne beat up Fuka because she couldn't be honest with her.
AlHollow
2016-10-02, 11:59
Rinne beat up Fuka because she couldn't be honest with her.
Fate did likewise during their first encounter with Nanoha.
They need to take lessons directly from Nanoha, fist won't work as well as bombardment. You need to Starlight Breaker the person thoroughly.
Random Wanderer
2016-10-02, 14:42
They need to take lessons directly from Nanoha, fist won't work as well as bombardment. You need to Starlight Breaker the person thoroughly.
And yet it was a highly effective fistfight that allowed Einhart to become the softer, smiling girl she is today, instead of the colder, sadder girl who was lost in someone else's past that we saw in Vivid.
chaos_animagic
2016-10-02, 15:37
They need to take lessons directly from Nanoha, fist won't work as well as bombardment. You need to Starlight Breaker the person thoroughly.
If you want to be friends, you gotta BEFRIEND.
It's the Nanoha way.
And yet it was a highly effective fistfight that allowed Einhart to become the softer, smiling girl she is today, instead of the colder, sadder girl who was lost in someone else's past that we saw in Vivid.
Because the poor girl fought against Nanoha in a mock battle before, she even got a chance to see a double Starlight Breaker courtesy of Teana and Nanoha. :heh:
novalysis
2016-10-02, 22:15
I wonder, did Rinne fist fight Fuuka, or did poor Fuuka got herself beamspammed even before she could get into melee range? Because if Lutecia Alpine is any indication, flying up and beamspamming your opponent to a KO is a legit tactic in Strike Arts, though rare because flying mages are rare in the Nanoha-verse.
Random Wanderer
2016-10-02, 22:38
I wonder, did Rinne fist fight Fuuka, or did poor Fuuka got herself beamspammed even before she could get into melee range? Because if Lutecia Alpine is any indication, flying up and beamspamming your opponent to a KO is a legit tactic in Strike Arts, though rare because flying mages are rare in the Nanoha-verse.
Judging from the OP, both of them are hand-to-hand specialists. Also, people who fight mostly using ranged magic tend to be called pure mages rather than martial artists.
FlareKnight
2016-10-03, 01:37
I wonder, did Rinne fist fight Fuuka, or did poor Fuuka got herself beamspammed even before she could get into melee range? Because if Lutecia Alpine is any indication, flying up and beamspamming your opponent to a KO is a legit tactic in Strike Arts, though rare because flying mages are rare in the Nanoha-verse.
Since it looks like they fought in a parking garage...I think Rinne just punched her down. Kind of looks like she took some punches to the face from that closeup. Though who knows, she was kind of scratched up all over.
I'd be impressed though if Fuuka was able to take a few shots before she went down considering the skill gap that must have existed.
novalysis
2016-10-04, 20:44
Since it looks like they fought in a parking garage...I think Rinne just punched her down. Kind of looks like she took some punches to the face from that closeup. Though who knows, she was kind of scratched up all over.
I'd be impressed though if Fuuka was able to take a few shots before she went down considering the skill gap that must have existed.
Well, Rinne might have been going easy on Fuuka, and allowing those few shots to get in deliberately, so as to soften the blow she no doubt knew the fight would take on Fuuka's pride. I suspect she never actually imagine that Fuuka would be left in tears after that battle.
I also just realized something: this is a magical girl show. With a protagonist who is a street-rat of an orphan, a likely school drop-out, who gets into routine and regular fights with gangs in seedy places, and set in a world where magic is the foundation of the civilization she lives in. That in itself is a very interesting premise - I don't recall any magical girl protagonists getting into gang fights in seedy dockyards before her "call".
Kazu-kun
2016-10-05, 02:45
Well, Rinne might have been going easy on Fuuka
I doubt it. Fuka looked pretty beat up in the flashback.
BWTraveller
2016-10-05, 08:09
I didn't see any evidence of Rinne having taken even one hit from the closeup personally, so I get the feeling the fight was completely one-sided. But yeah, I'm really interested too to know just what made that shy, sweet girl decide to harden her heart like that, especially since they show that she isn't completely gone.
Also, is it just me or has Nove shrunk?
FlareKnight
2016-10-05, 22:30
Well, Rinne might have been going easy on Fuuka, and allowing those few shots to get in deliberately, so as to soften the blow she no doubt knew the fight would take on Fuuka's pride. I suspect she never actually imagine that Fuuka would be left in tears after that battle.
I also just realized something: this is a magical girl show. With a protagonist who is a street-rat of an orphan, a likely school drop-out, who gets into routine and regular fights with gangs in seedy places, and set in a world where magic is the foundation of the civilization she lives in. That in itself is a very interesting premise - I don't recall any magical girl protagonists getting into gang fights in seedy dockyards before her "call".
Somehow I'd be surprised if she took even a punch. Rinne looked pretty clean after that fight. I mean she probably held back to a degree which is why Fuka could walk out of there and not require hospitalization. Just used enough force to win decisively.
They have gone an interesting route here. Certainly Fuka isn't the standard type of magical girl lead. More like a girl who happens to use magic :). I'm kind of curious to see them explore Fuka's situation a bit more. Having left her orphanage, working jobs like construction and getting into street fights. Somewhat curious how long its been since she left school and the orphanage. Maybe not the first job she's lost due to getting into fights.
MeoTwister5
2016-10-06, 05:27
I'm still on the fence with whether I'll watch this series since... well I eventually got bored to death with the Vivid manga and adaptation...
is it just me or did einhearts and noves personality's are not what they should be like they are more fluffy than before even if einheart changed.
Also isn't the person that she lost to in the martial arts tornament the little girl she stood up for and lost a tooth for.
MeoTwister5
2016-10-09, 06:09
So I gave it a shot and... liked it surprisingly. Hopefully it doesn't devolve into the fanservicey drivel its predecessor became.
Still waiting for Fuka to get beaten to an inch of her life in the name of friendship.
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