Licensed Re:Creators [Archive] - Page 8

MK-95-

2017-06-29, 18:56

I'm a bit late to the party, but I've been watching this since the beginning and only decided to get active about discussing it now. It's a shame I missed out on such interesting discussion. But enough about that. I'll just give my overall opinion on the series so far since the first half has aired and my thoughts about the theme of the series in general.

Starting off with the theme: This is a first for me. Normally, it's all about people traveling to a fantasy world, but this one decided to do the opposite and have the fantasy characters appear in the real world. The only other anime/Ln I can name at the top of my head that did this is Hataraku maou-sama. Though, the key difference being that both worlds are real as far as the reader/viewer is concerned. Whereas, in Re:Creators, the visitors are all indeed fictional, but somehow are given life via their creator's imagination and the reader's/viewer's approval. This alone puts Re:Creators up there as one of the more truly original concepts out there in every sense of the word. In a time where we can say almost everything and anything you can think of has already been done, we get this which is truly one of a kind and tries to flip an entire genre on its head.

General opinion of the first half: So far, it's handling itself pretty well and while being ambitious is good, it also knows that being too ambitious could potentially harm it. So, as of right now, it still hasn't done anything too over the top that'd irk me and while it does take itself seriously, it knows where to draw the line and doesn't cross over into the territory of taking itself too seriously. However, I wonder if they could maintain this balance since it's already been confirmed that the problems they face are on a global scale. :heh:

Characters are all unique and likeable in their own ways. Everyone also has pretty diverse personalities and this keeps character interaction fresh/interesting since each character would have differing opinions and interpretations of the same topic. The character I had the most gripes with would be Sota since he felt really flat and didn't really start developing his own character until about 9 episodes in. Kinda sad that fictional characters have more personality than a literal real person. :heh: Though, I'd have to say that his interactions with Magane really managed to salvage his character for me. It gave him the opportunity to actually express something and the followup with infodumping his insecurities/regrets in the following episodes actually made him relate-able and appealing to me.

I'd have to say that Magane is imo the most complex character for obvious reasons and you can never truly predict what she'll do next. That said, I have a love/hate opinion of her. I love how she can see everything from a truly neutral perspective and her wordplay game is high tier. :D If you can vilify the concept of justice and chivalry, then you have my praise. By the same token, I dislike the operational principle behind her powers and her overall nature is repulsive. I get that lying is her shtick and all, but damn, the way she goes about doing it just kinda pisses me off.

Favourite character as of right now is probably Meteora. Idk, something about her just makes you wanna protect her. :p Also, idk if anyone else noticed this, but I kinda get this feeling that she low key likes Sota. Though I could be wrong and simply reading too much into something that isn't there. *shrugs*

All in all, a decent watch and definitely one of the more entertaining anime of the Spring 2017 season. Is it worthy of being considered an anime of the year contender? I'm not sure since we're only halfway into the year, but I am sure that it's guaranteed to be remembered as one of the standout anime for this year and may be talked about for years to come. As for whether it'd be talked about fondly or as an anime that wasted its vast potential, we'll have our answer when it finishes airing.

bakato

2017-06-29, 20:48

Well, my BD copy arrived today...in this shape:

http://i.imgur.com/DhTrCnu.jpg

The BD was safe, sadly the poster attached to it wasnt:

http://i.imgur.com/j1inAME.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qsi33wd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FM9GKVb.jpg

I still have to check the actual episodes to see if the so-called "Director's cut" version is actually different or not.

EDIT: More hints that this recap episode won't be done in the usual way, from the official twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDetCktU0AAC399.jpg

Well, if you're gonna do a recap might as well make it fun.

xizro345

2017-06-29, 22:25

Please report back if there are any significant changes. And it's really too bad that the postal service mishandled your package.

If the BD's do have subs, contrary to expectations, please give notice! :p

No subtitles, of course.

I checked the two episodes but at a first glance I didn't see any significant difference, so either they're subtle or I completely missed them...

Convoy

2017-06-29, 23:03

Is Matsubara's work from which Selesia comes from intentionally a portmanteau of German for "bird" and French for "knight"?

magnuskn

2017-06-30, 01:39

Favourite character as of right now is probably Meteora. Idk, something about her just makes you wanna protect her. :p Also, idk if anyone else noticed this, but I kinda get this feeling that she low key likes Sota. Though I could be wrong and simply reading too much into something that isn't there. *shrugs*

Several people have commented on this, so I think it's there. I'd actually like it if it were to become more open, the show could use an element of romance. Even if it probably will end up that she'll have to go back to her world, blablabla. You know how the Japanese are.

All in all, a decent watch and definitely one of the more entertaining anime of the Spring 2017 season. Is it worthy of being considered an anime of the year contender? I'm not sure since we're only halfway into the year, but I am sure that it's guaranteed to be remembered as one of the standout anime for this year and may be talked about for years to come. As for whether it'd be talked about fondly or as an anime that wasted its vast potential, we'll have our answer when it finishes airing.

I think everybody who likes the show is keeping their fingers crossed that the show can keep up its quality until the end. There are a lot of original anime which shot themselves in the knee when finishing their story, so I hope Re:Creators will avoid that.

No subtitles, of course.

I checked the two episodes but at a first glance I didn't see any significant difference, so either they're subtle or I completely missed them...

Ack. Oh, well. Maybe we'll get an international release one day with subs. It's not as if official subs don't exist, after all.

Is Matsubara's work from which Selesia comes from intentionally a portmanteau of German for "bird" and French for "knight"?

Seems that way. Vogel = Bird, Chevalier = Knight, so Vogelchevalier = Bird-Knight.

xizro345

2017-06-30, 06:55

Another picture:

http://i.imgur.com/ooGEfwL.jpg

Given how the twitter account said it's the "great Meteora moment", I feel this is going to be a little weird...

magnuskn

2017-06-30, 07:07

Uh, yeah. Maybe Meteora will be retelling the series with her unique sense of humor? :heh:

MK-95-

2017-06-30, 13:14

Several people have commented on this, so I think it's there. I'd actually like it if it were to become more open, the show could use an element of romance. Even if it probably will end up that she'll have to go back to her world, blablabla. You know how the Japanese are.

Ah, good to know that I wasn't imagining it. Yea, I've noticed that Meteora moves slightly different with Sota than she does with the other characters. It's a bit hard to properly put into words, but wording it the best I can, it's like she displays a gentleness with him that is noticeable to the viewer, but it isn't outright obvious and extremely subtle. Also, I agree. Some romance wouldn't hurt this series at all. If they keep it subtle and slowly build on it, it'll fit right in and feel natural. Take Alice and Mamika for example, while it wasn't romantic, their bond felt genuine. They achieved this in the span of 5 episodes and aren't even characters that had major screen-time during their private moments, yet look how good their relationship turned out.

Tl;Dr, the writers aren't incompetent with regard to writing character relationships, so they should be able to give us even a half-decent romance.

I think everybody who likes the show is keeping their fingers crossed that the show can keep up its quality until the end. There are a lot of original anime which shot themselves in the knee when finishing their story, so I hope Re:Creators will avoid that.

It'd be nice if this one does keep up its quality indeed. It's definitely the most original anime I've seen in awhile and the first half was overall solid excluding a hiccup here or there. They're halfway done, lets hope they don't drop the ball with the second half.

I'd like to look back at this one with fond memories instead of thinking of it as the anime that could've been tbh.

ReddyRedWolf

2017-06-30, 21:41

What Meteora was a stealth heroine of her game that liked the hero player?

xizro345

2017-07-01, 00:56

I honestly don't know what to think about the upcoming episode anymore...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDnH9OGVoAA_C1K.jpg

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 03:13

We'll see later today. :p

xizro345

2017-07-01, 04:49

Let's add another one, shall we?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDo1Gn9V0AAaovS.jpg

Anh_Minh

2017-07-01, 08:27

Another picture:

http://i.imgur.com/ooGEfwL.jpg

Given how the twitter account said it's the "great Meteora moment", I feel this is going to be a little weird...

Get her some glasses, stat!

xizro345

2017-07-01, 10:05

Well, that was "interesting" for sure.... and also highly amusing.

Basically Meteora sort of "stops time" after Selesia's last comment in the previous episode, then starts to discuss each one of the characters...with some twists.

For example, when she appears for the first time she shows how the series would end if it got cancelled with herself as the invincible main character (different design and voice as well).

She also describes all the character backstories, with a bit of humor sometimes (when she discusses Mamika friends who appear in first OP for example).

Another funny note is that she sort of insults all of her allies behind their backs, and also some enemies (she calls Alicetaria a musclehead).

When discussing Altair, she talks about the logistics of animating her because of her complicated design, also tries to start singing Setsuna's movie but stops because she is terrible at it.

At the end of the episode she goes full meta about making a "Recap Episode" and how the fans most likely hate those kinds of episodes (all the other characters are frozen when she says those things, as I said, it's like she "stopped time"). And once she's done, the story "restarts" from Selesia's last line.

As ED the complete movie Setsuna made is shown, and listening to it I can also understand why Altair is so fixated on destroying the world.

Calling "Intermission" like Aoki said is probably more correct than a simple recap.

BD 2 Cover:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDqI2mvUIAEN_XZ.jpg:large

Meteora VA interview:

http://recreators.tv/special/interview/cast_interview_05.html

I'll work on it to see if there's something interesting.

Also... from the official site...

http://i.imgur.com/rp7PRxG.jpg

EDIT: interview highlights:

- She felt the scrips of Episode 13 was kind of absurd (in a good sense). She thought Meteora's habit of analyzing things would be good for a "recap" episode, but wasn't expecting something like this;

- She giggled when reading the script, and jokes a bit even about the "body complex" thing that was brought up in the episode;

- She auditioned for Meteora, but also for Magane's role (she wanted to try a different character from the usual ones she does);

- Her impression about Meteora at first was sort of neutral. But after progressing in the story and reading the scripts, she also found the "cute" parts of Meteora;

- After she got the role she had a bit of trouble because in the first episode, which would be used to gauge the character for her, Meteora has not a lot of speaking lines, but in the second one she has a lot, and she felt a little anxious. The post-ED scene in the first episode was actually done during the dubbing of the second episode;

- She softened a bit the tone of Meteora after receiving input during the dubbing sessions;

- Says Meteora is a character with her own tempo, regardless of what characters do/say;

- She likes the interaction of Meteora with Kuchihara, considering Meteora's creator is dead and so there can't be something like Selesia and Matsubara;

- She feels Meteora is becoming more "human" as the series progresses (cites the interaction between Sota and Meteora in episode 8);

- She says in the second cour chracter of different genres will appear;

- The relationship between creators and creations will be a key point of the story, she als o mentions character relationships will change considerably in the second cour;

- She finishes the interview jokingly saiying Meteora will chant some long and complicate spells later on.

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 10:43

Sounds super interesting. :) Can't wait to see it this evening.

There are no further hints that she may like Sota more than just as a friend? :p

xizro345

2017-07-01, 10:49

Sounds super interesting. :) Can't wait to see it this evening.

There are no further hints that she may like Sota more than just as a friend? :p

She does take his hand while she finishes her meta commentary...Take that as you will.

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 11:03

Well, it's something. :) Since she is best girl, I wish her happyness and if she likes Sota, that's good enough for me. :D

Sides

2017-07-01, 11:03

I loved the recap episode, especially the fact that the makers are making fun about the show themselves, in a lighthearted way.
Probably one of the few better recaps I have seen for a long while.

konart

2017-07-01, 11:16

Yuya's description sounds like he could be a character from Miwa Shirow's "Dogs" manga.

zztop

2017-07-01, 11:30

I like how the recap gives the backstories for each of the Creations, given they aren't openly described in the main storyline. I was always wondering what the stories of their sources were.

Stark700

2017-07-01, 11:40

Good thing Meteora did the narrative for the recap. I've gotten used to her voice the most out of any character so far. If it was Magane narrating, oh dear...

blakstealth

2017-07-01, 11:48

I usually skip the recap episodes, but DAMN. I'm glad I didn't miss this one. It's fantastic. When I thought that I couldn't like Meteora anymore, this episode with her narration just multiplied my love for her tenfold. I had to do a triple take when they showed THAT Meteora introduction.

The ED turning out to be the video for Altair was also a nice touch.

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-01, 12:03

If there is anything Meteora wanted revised in her character it is having bigger boobs and sexier, preferably brown. Basically a game side character that gets the spotlight. That sounds familiar *Illya*cough*Kuro*cough.

Anyway Meteora thinks of Alisteria as everyone of us does... She is a muscle head.

We finally got to see Setsuna's last video as the ED.

Anh_Minh

2017-07-01, 12:28

OK, I can see why she'd want to be more of a sexy character, but why the swimsuit? Like, why does she want to be the kind of character that wears bikini top as her regular outfit?

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 12:33

Thanks, xizro, for the interview translation. Meteora's VA also is a cute one. :)

James Rye

2017-07-01, 12:45

OK, I can see why she'd want to be more of a sexy character, but why the swimsuit? Like, why does she want to be the kind of character that wears bikini top as her regular outfit?

I think that is her idea of what being sexy means to be. xD

I must say I was so surprised by suddenly sexy OP Meteora who gets merchandise and a day called after her, that I had to rewatch the recap again to get all of it. Good job, wished all recaps were that entertaining.

bakato

2017-07-01, 13:17

This has got to be the first, only, and last recap episode in the history of anime that was actually enjoyed.

OK, I can see why she'd want to be more of a sexy character, but why the swimsuit? Like, why does she want to be the kind of character that wears bikini top as her regular outfit?

Don't you get it? Deep down, Meteora's a bad girl. A sexy tan girl who likes to wear skimpy outfits and trash talk others behind their backs.

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 13:22

xizro345

2017-07-01, 13:27

Thanks, xizro, for the interview translation. Meteora's VA also is a cute one. :)

You're welcome. I may tackle the Aoki interview printed in the BD booklet if I have time, though since no one has reported it yet makes me think there's little new information present.

EDIT: And I finally remembered when another attempt of something similar was made, namely Eretzvaju for the original Playstation (Evil Zone in English - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Zone), which had a sort similar premise - though it wasn't much like creators pulled out of creations, but fighters pulled out of several worlds, each with a lot of detailed background information - that failed spectacularly.

EDIT2: The official twitter published this useful creator-creations chart:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDqLrOfVoAAqFwu.jpg

bakato

2017-07-01, 13:45

devilo96

2017-07-01, 14:01

The ending song for eps 13 is really good
Can some tell me the title for that ending song?

xizro345

2017-07-01, 14:01

"Setsuna Shimazaki" posted the complete World Etude movie on Nico:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31495031

The ending song for eps 13 is really good
Can some tell me the title for that ending song?

Should be called "World Etude".

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 14:06

I hope the comments under that video are better than what the shows Shimazaki got. ^^

cuzsal

2017-07-01, 14:21

that was a cool recap ep

haha never thought I would say that

998185

2017-07-01, 14:22

I hope the comments under that video are better than what the shows Shimazaki got. ^^

Should we re-create the comments she received to see what happens?

seiftis

2017-07-01, 14:45

muscle brain and mutated mop... I can't stop laughing in this episode lol

Spica

2017-07-01, 15:02

The staffs are having really fun with this.

frubam

2017-07-01, 15:08

The ending song for eps 13 is really good
Can some tell me the title for that ending song?

Yeah, or perhaps some music that's sounds similar to it. Not sure what classification of music that actually is(referring to the music near the end of the episode, not the actual ending theme =03).

Random14

2017-07-01, 15:18

Actually, Macross Frontier did way back then a story-advancing recap which revealed the big bad of the entire series (and the second half of the episode was new material). The Legend of Korra (it's an anime, shut up ^^) did a recap episode in season four where Bolin and Varrick told past events out of context to hilarious results.

I'm sure there exist other recap episodes from other series where the writers did use the format to actually tell a good story. :)

Speaking of Macross, I remember the original Macross had a recap episode showing Hikaru's coma-fever-dream. It ended up being really trippy and kind of funny (at one point he transforms his old stunt plane into a Valkyrie by pulling a lever), though its also used to show his state of mind- losing one girl while another keeps popping up more and more.

I think Transformer Prime had a kind of funny recap show too (Starscream tries to convince Megatron not to kill him after all those attempted assassinations).

Anyway, on-topic, nice to see Meteora's sense of humor again. Though I like regular Meteora more than alt-Meteora, she's plenty cute as is without needing a skimpy outfit or to be more, er, top-heavy. Not bad as a recap show, though I hope this fills their "Meteora exposition" quota for a while. I kind of wish someone else could have bickered with Meteora rather than all her one-sided insults. Wonder if she'll ever let any of those names slip in show (Grasshopper Glasses :heh: ).

With the recap show over, looking forward to the second half. Nice to see the show play around with the idea of a recap episode, given how many other tropes it covers.

frubam

2017-07-01, 15:25

EDIT2: The official twitter published this useful creator-creations chart:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDqLrOfVoAAqFwu.jpg

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d0fbd4c57d53540a1c91866b2d14af296a482c221ab7d7f86 0de297e6f14b5d.png?w=800&h=603

Looked like it was missing a line =0b

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 16:48

Finally saw the episode. Harhar, Meteora straight on called Rui a lolicon. :heh:

Great episode and I loved the meta commentary. Also, Meteora clearly has a thing for Sota.

Only thing I would have liked more is Meteora commenting about Magane. As it was, it seemed a bit sparse. Although hearing that Magane slaughtered her entire class makes her intro slide in the OP quite a bit more ominous. :uhoh:

This is the best show from spring season by a mile. If the show keeps up the quality until its end, it may be the best anime show I have seen this decade so far.

FlameSparkZ

2017-07-01, 17:15

Great episode, and an excellent use of an intermission episode.

Usually recap episodes just compress the events until that episode and have some one narrate what happened...and that can get boring.

So I love how they played with that, making it fun and enjoyable. :D

Endscape

2017-07-01, 17:25

I usually don't bother watching recap episodes, but I'm glad I made an exception this time. This was a great episode, I can tell the animators had a lot of fun with it. Meteora's snarkiness towards the other characters and the 4th wall exposition at the end was hilarious.

And I'm not going to lie, Alt-Meteora was really hot, which contributed to my enjoyment of the episode. :heh:

MK-95-

2017-07-01, 17:45

Now that's how you do a recap. Like I said, they're very ambitious with this series, to think that they can even make a recap this interesting. Probably the best recap I've ever seen, tho, that doesn't mean much since I usually skip em anyway because they're just a blatant rehashing of the major developments from the first half with no sense of charm or effort going into trying to make it appealing to watch.

This is why Meteora is best girl. :heh: She can say anything in the most chill voice ever and still make it sound like the most interesting thing you've ever heard. It also helps that this really chill way of speaking coupled with her attempts at comedy, make the delivery that much funnier in the end. I died laughing at how she tried to reassure the viewer that Selesia isn't weak while showing footage of her getting her ass kicked. XD And boy did I get a kick out of her re-imagining of herself and self-introduction, plus that dry cough she did when she corrected followers to friends really caught me off guard. Makes speech about talking to reach an understanding, followed by "Muscle Brains can't hold a conversation" and then gets smacked right in the face. Yup, I can say from the bottom of my heart that I truly enjoyed every second of this episode. All fourth wall breaks were done exceptionally well. Deadpool would be proud. :p

Btw, is it just me or wouldn't the creations' individual stories make for some interesting anime in their own right? Honestly, Troyca can probably make spinoffs of this based solely on the creations' own fictional worlds. I wouldn't mind seeing Mirokuji's, Magane's, Selesia's and Kanoya's stories tbh. As much as I like Meteora, I don't think I'd find her story very appealing. :(

Like I also said in my first post, it takes itself seriously, but knows not to cross that line and take itself too seriously. This episode tells me that while things would escalate further in the second half, I can rest assured that they most likely will keep a good balance between fun and seriousness.

Nice touch by adding Shimazaki's song as well. We're always getting bits and pieces of it, but it's nice to see and hear the complete thing. It's a shame I didn't know what she's saying. Oh well, I'll just wait until someone translates the lyrics and posts it on the net. Tho, the English words I saw in the vid does at least tell me it's one of those songs about being pissed at the world/everything.

EDIT: interview highlights:

- She felt the scrips of Episode 13 was kind of absurd (in a good sense). She thought Meteora's habit of analyzing things would be good for a "recap" episode, but wasn't expecting something like this;

- She giggled when reading the script, and jokes a bit even about the "body complex" thing that was brought up in the episode;

- She auditioned for Meteora, but also for Magane's role (she wanted to try a different character from the usual ones she does);

- Her impression about Meteora at first was sort of neutral. But after progressing in the story and reading the scripts, she also found the "cute" parts of Meteora;

- After she got the role she had a bit of trouble because in the first episode, which would be used to gauge the character for her, Meteora has not a lot of speaking lines, but in the second one she has a lot, and she felt a little anxious. The post-ED scene in the first episode was actually done during the dubbing of the second episode;

- She softened a bit the tone of Meteora after receiving input during the dubbing sessions;

- Says Meteora is a character with her own tempo, regardless of what characters do/say;

- She likes the interaction of Meteora with Kuchihara, considering Meteora's creator is dead and so there can't be something like Selesia and Matsubara;

- She feels Meteora is becoming more "human" as the series progresses (cites the interaction between Sota and Meteora in episode 8);

- She says in the second cour chracter of different genres will appear;

- The relationship between creators and creations will be a key point of the story, she als o mentions character relationships will change considerably in the second cour;

- She finishes the interview jokingly saiying Meteora will chant some long and complicate spells later on.

@[B]:

I think this is where Meteora would truly get to shine. Aside from Magane and Altair, she's another character whose creator is deceased. The key difference between them and her is that she actually has good a standing and relationship with real people. Since it looks like creators and their creations will have major relationship development in the second half, this gives Meteora the perfect opportunity to build relationships in a different way that the other creations can't.

For example, creators and their creations will strengthen their bonds and also, have the added benefit of being able to update/upgrade their creations' abilities. Meteora is excluded here because she doesn't have a creator to update her. So, relationship development for her wouldn't be practical in that sense, but she would still be a major contributor in that she's the most analytical and/or intelligent of the creations on her side. (Therefore, even if she doesn't necessarily become stronger than she is now, it also doesn't mean that she'd become useless either) Since relationship development for her doesn't correlate to actually making her stronger, maybe focus could go into another aspect such as idk... romance? :heh:

Now, the argument can be made that Altair doesn't have a creator, yet she's regularly updated because of fans keeping her relevant. But, I think that's her specific advantage as the only 'doujin' creation among them all. Since Meteora and all the others are 'mainstream' creations, I don't think they should/would be able to reap the same benefits as Altair (just to keep it fair tbh). They need to be directly updated by their own creators. Only way for Meteora to achieve this is if someone creates a secondary creation of her and that sec. creation becomes more popular than the original or get accepted by the fans. However, that character would no longer be Meteora and become an entirely separate existence. So, as it currently stands, Meteora herself is unable to be updated/upgraded.

The fact it's mentioned that character relationships will change considerably in the second half does give me hope that what I've been noticing between Sota and Meteora isn't just a tease, but can actually lead to something more. *Crosses fingers*

ps. How she held Sota's hand there in the final scene, I'll take that as another subtle hint tyvm. :D

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 18:14

Actually, it's pretty easy for Meteora to get updated, at least with how the storyline is purported to be going. In creating the "battle world", the different creators need an unifying component for each "team". Altair is logically the leader of Team Evil.

Meteora, OTOH, is best suited to lead Team Good and as such the different creators might expand her repertoire to at least do the interdimensional transport necessary to get her team to the battleground. Given how she'd get canon upgrades from different sources, all of which flow into the canonicity of the crossover event, she could probably use and keep those upgrades permanently (i.e. until the end of the anime).

Just saying, if getting permanent power upgrades depend on getting acceptation by the audience, being the leader of the Team Good in a giant crossover is one of the best ways.

BTW, on another note, Meteora peeking and then deadpanning at the drawings of Whatsername, the artist/writer for Code Babylon, makes me think that maaaaybe that lady might surreptitously try to help her own creation, i.e. Blitz. ^^

And, yeah, Meteora, let those feelings for Sota out. Get some happyness while you can, girl. :)

MK-95-

2017-07-01, 18:37

^Oh, that's actually a very good point. I didn't think about it terms of the crossover itself, but rather just from the perspective of the individual stories and the creators enhancing their own creations.

But, as you've noted, having her lead her team does give each respective creator an opportunity to add to her repertoire. It'd also make a lot of sense because she's likely the only character on her side able to link together all universes for the crossover event (via her magic), whereas Altair serves that purpose for her team.

Since they'll have to use foreshadowing and buildup leading to the crossover, they can have Meteora as a recruiter of sorts able to visit other worlds/dimensions using her magic and observing everything in the background. Then, when the actual crossover itself begins, she'd gather everyone and take them to the space created specifically for the event.

This way, they could either canonically give her additional powers or refine/rework her existing abilities and throw in a redesign while they're at it (so she'd get her wish from the recap granted. :heh:). So, even if her creator isn't alive and it's viewed as disrespectful for another author to pick up a deceased author's work (irl), they can get around this by using his characters in a crossover that ties both author's works together. With this, they can cover all their bases.

justpassingby

2017-07-01, 18:48

Just when I thought I couldn't hate Meteora more, this episode does it for me. I really would like to see she goes one-on-one with her teammates and see if she's the weakest of them all. :heh:

magnuskn

2017-07-01, 19:00

This way, they could either canonically give her additional powers or refine/rework her existing abilities and throw in a redesign while they're at it (so she'd get her wish from the recap granted. :heh:). So, even if her creator isn't alive and it's viewed as disrespectful for another author to pick up a deceased author's work (irl), they can get around this by using his characters in a crossover that ties both author's works together. With this, they can cover all their bases.

Eh, fans react negatively to drastic re-designs of existing characters art style, so I don't think Meteora will get her little wish-fulfillment fantasy. :D

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One thing I have to wonder, if we are getting a time-skip (very likely for the six months prep time scenario to work out story-wise), what are the creations going to do in that time? I mean, Team Meteora lives on the governments dime, so they are covered there. I'm only sad that we are going to miss out on some character development/bonding which happens off-camera.

But Team Altair and Magane are practically mendicants, they got no living space, no income, etc. I hope the show addresses this somewhat, it's one of those niggling details which help build suspension of disbelief.

Endscape

2017-07-01, 19:10

Eh, fans react negatively to drastic re-designs of existing characters art style, so I don't think Meteora will get her little wish-fulfillment fantasy. :D

Sometimes they react positively as well, so there's hope for Meteora yet :D

Harbinger

2017-07-01, 19:44

I just thought of a... Sota X Meteora moment:

Meteora: Sota, your power of creation is stronger than anyone else. Will you become my Creator (for the spinoff)?
Sota: Yes, I will!

MK-95-

2017-07-01, 19:56

Sometimes they react positively as well, so there's hope for Meteora yet :D

Eh, fans react negatively to drastic re-designs of existing characters art style, so I don't think Meteora will get her little wish-fulfillment fantasy. :D

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One thing I have to wonder, if we are getting a time-skip (very likely for the six months prep time scenario to work out story-wise), what are the creations going to do in that time? I mean, Team Meteora lives on the governments dime, so they are covered there. I'm only sad that we are going to miss out on some character development/bonding which happens off-camera.

But Team Altair and Magane are practically mendicants, they got no living space, no income, etc. I hope the show addresses this somewhat, it's one of those niggling details which help build suspension of disbelief.

I was joking about the character redesign... I only included it since the timing was perfect and Meteora actually had one for the recap. lol

On the point of Team Altair and Magane having access to income: I can safely say that it shouldn't be an issue for Magane at all. She has no qualms about killing people, so it wouldn't be unrealistic to assume that she'd simply go and kill/rob people and take their money afterwards. Heck, she even offed her own creator, who would do that? For Team Altair, beats me. Idk what they're doing for income, but according to Magane, since her world also uses Yen like the real world, her money is applicable. Maybe Team Altair's using money from fictional worlds that also use Yen as currency?

@[B], food for thought: I'm also kinda curious as to what happens to an incomplete world. Well, to the people in the real(gods') world, it'll never go past that point thus staying incomplete and we'd never know what the author envisioned the ending of their story to be, but what about the characters that reside in that world? Does it just stop there for them or do they continue living their lives as usual without ever noticing that their 'god' has technically (albeit unintentionally) abandoned them. Thinking about it, the author writing the story would be equivalent to the concept of fate for residents of that world because the author would be guiding the characters along a set path. But now that the author has died, does that mean the concept of fate no longer exists and characters now have to craft their own destinies?

Meteora's creator is dead, but her game itself was already complete. Only issue being that any potential sequels obviously wouldn't feature work from her creator apart from probably unused concept designs that he/she didn't include in the original game. But considering that the first game is complete, that also means that her world itself is also complete even if it no longer has its creator. Only thing sequels could do at that point is simply expand on what already exists.

Wandering Soul

2017-07-01, 22:50

I don't watch recap episodes, but this was a good time to make an exception. Meteora's personality and the way she mocked her teammates really made the episode for me.

SeaDoor

2017-07-01, 22:56

Have to say that this was one of the most amusing recap episodes I've seen. Meteora's is so entertaining!

Ryuuoh DeltaPlus

2017-07-02, 01:19

This has got to be one of the most fun recap eps I've ever watched (along with Kill La Kill's ridiculously amazing "recap" episode)

magnuskn

2017-07-02, 03:25

Let's take also note that Sota was the only one Meteora did not lob a subtle (or not so subtle) insult at during her recap. :p

On the point of Team Altair and Magane having access to income: I can safely say that it shouldn't be an issue for Magane at all. She has no qualms about killing people, so it wouldn't be unrealistic to assume that she'd simply go and kill/rob people and take their money afterwards. Heck, she even offed her own creator, who would do that?

Actually, since she plans to stay in the "real world" and has methods of permanently stealing powers from other creations, offing her creator removed a threat for her of getting depowered from outside. So it makes sense.

Anh_Minh

2017-07-02, 05:29

Actually, it's pretty easy for Meteora to get updated,
Yeah, she's probably the easiest. People don't care about who wrote a video game nearly as much as about manga or novel authors, so all they need is hire a writer and publish a DLC where she powers up.

RDNexus

2017-07-02, 05:45

Was I the only one feeling the MV was incomplete?

Alf

2017-07-02, 07:13

It's far more common for MAD to be having OP/ED size than longer, so....but given the amount of despair of Setsuna had it does feel a bit short, and the song clearly shouldn't have ended there.

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2017-07-02, 07:59

You know, hearing Yuya's character description from Meteora made me realize that he's a lot more interesting in his own story than what we actually got so far. He's like Dio & Itachi but probably not as smart as them and a lot more hot blooded. And holy cow, he murdered the sister of the MC? That's.....pretty intense :twitch:.

And Meteora already said it herself: Selesia is a magic knight who can't fight to her full potential without her mech. That makes my previous comparison of her with Hikaru from Magic Knight Rayearth hits even closer ;). And looks like she's confirmed to be a member of knights/military instead of a princess.

All in all, this episode is probably in my top ten of "most fun recap episodes" with Kill la Kill's recap sitting at the top three (I vaguely remember that Gurren Lagann also has a fun recap episode but I'm not sure).

Rimbo99

2017-07-02, 08:19

I just thought of a... Sota X Meteora moment:

Meteora: Sota, your power of creation is stronger than anyone else. Will you become my Creator (for the spinoff)?

Sota: Yes, I will!

Sota was the only one Meteora believes that could fill the void of her late Creator.

I just though that the video could have been useful to watch alongside Episode 12 but here it is.

https://vimeo.com/223945293

Magewolf

2017-07-02, 09:40

You know, hearing Yuya's character description from Meteora made me realize that he's a lot more interesting in his own story than what we actually got so far. He's like Dio & Itachi but probably not as smart as them and a lot more hot blooded. And holy cow, he murdered the sister of the MC? That's.....pretty intense :twitch:.

.

Well I figure there is more to it. Yuya acts like a bad boy anti-hero, not the type to go around killing his friend's sister. From the curse talk and how he seemed to be holding his stand back during his fight with sharkteeth it seems likely that he lost control of his powers sometime and his friend's sister ended up dead.

magnuskn

2017-07-02, 09:49

Or there could be any number of other story twists, like she was secretly evil and he had no other choice. ^^

vietthai96

2017-07-02, 10:30

"Setsuna Shimazaki" posted the complete World Etude movie on Nico:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31495031

Should be called "World Etude".

Rubikon (ルビコン) - Sangatsu no Phantasia. Release on 30, August

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-02, 11:37

tuckersister

2017-07-02, 12:46

Sota may make his own character for the crossover. His Creation has to be well thought out (especially against Megane).

DemonneoPT

2017-07-02, 13:44

Omg!! One of the best, if not the best recap episode ever made...lol. So much fun and entertaining. It even made me like Meteora, that is a character i didn't have much love for. Honestly, a big clap for the people responsible for this episode. The criativity levels, the jokes and overall dialogue and direction quality were over 9000!

After some disappointments in the last episodes, who would have though it would be a recap episode to bring back the hype :heh::heh:. I'm actually shocked...lol

SPARTAN 119

2017-07-02, 14:17

I thought I would never find a recap episode that I would actually like, but this... this one is just awesome, and Meteora is now even more awesome than before. From Meteora's revisionist history, to the ample fourth well breaking and nicknames for the characters, to Meteora's comments on the industry, I have to say that Re:CREATORs has proven me wrong.

MK-95-

2017-07-02, 14:38

Let's take also note that Sota was the only one Meteora did not lob a subtle (or not so subtle) insult at during her recap. :p

Actually, since she plans to stay in the "real world" and has methods of permanently stealing powers from other creations, offing her creator removed a threat for her of getting depowered from outside. So it makes sense.

\o/ At this point, the ship's all but sailing tbh.

I see your point, but Magane's perspective is also a double-edged sword. Sure, she prevented herself from being tampered with via outside interference, but she also stopped herself from being updated as well. Not only that, but in the event she does get sent back to her world (very likely), she basically forced her world into stagnancy because it'll never progress beyond whatever point it is at currently.

For example, lets say that her creator set the story in a fictional Tokyo, does that mean there are no other regions or cities existing there until he pens them in? Or do they already exist and simply need to be penned in for readers/viewers to know that they're there.

Tl;Dr, if one sets the story in a particular place, are the creations also confined to that one area, or to them, a literal entire fictional world exists and the creator only needs to mention other places when the story demands it?

Kinda like unlocking new areas in an RPG. To the characters in-game, they know there's an entire world there, but to the player, they can only see/explore areas that are available to them and have to wait until the next area is unlocked (in this case, by the author).

magnuskn

2017-07-02, 15:41

Random14

2017-07-02, 16:12

Yeah, up until this episode I didn't realize Yuya was such a dark character, considering the way he talks and apparently still considers the main character of his story a friend (despite killing that guy's sister). Maybe he's just a well-intentioned extremist and it was necessary (the summary does mention that he's trying to bring order to their region), or he really doesn't see killing someone's sister as a friendship-ending offense (maybe he had a good or at least necessary reason for it, who knows). Wouldn't be the first series where the main antagonist is obsessed with the protagonist.

I do wonder if the fictional worlds move only according to the published works or if they just move along the "natural" route once they're established. We know the Creations are influenced by public perception (Selesia's temporary power-up and all) but that was also the first time they managed to change things on purpose. Like if there's nothing outside the main character's setting and until now the Creations just hadn't noticed, or if its already all there but the novels just didn't mention it. Not sure if the series will contend with questions like that (survival is more important right now).

AC-Phoenix

2017-07-02, 16:31

magnuskn

2017-07-02, 17:01

Yeah, I loved this episode so much as well. :)

Sadly, I did not get the reference, so no bonus points. Which anime was that?

MK-95-

2017-07-02, 17:08

Oh, I agree that it is a double-edged sword. OTOH, Magane strikes me as the chaotic evil risktaker who just wants to see the world burn (i.e. the Joker from The Dark Knight Rises), who would take this risk to see her more immediate goals realized.

As for the rest of the world existing outside of the immediate area of her story, since her world was so similar to ours (they got cellphones, they even pay in Yen), I'd assume that it'd be fine. The world would be roughly similar to ours by memetic association. The question would be if anything as extraordinary as she and the real protagonists would even exist outside of her immediate story area.

That's actually the perfect way to describe her tbh. She also seems like the type that may not necessarily fear death. She strikes me as the kind of character that wants to have fun and lives solely for that reason. So even if she were to die as consequence/repercussion of her fun, she'd be content with it.

That's actually a good point, characters living in worlds comparable in design and setting to the real one should more or less have a complete world even if the author doesn't necessarily explore any places outside the setting itself.

But what about characters like Selesia whose world is mostly created from scratch? (probably incorporating elements from I'm assuming Medieval Europe) The author himself would need to completely craft and describe this world in detail to the readers because they'd have no real idea of how he envisions his world to be.

Normally, with settings similar to reality, the author doesn't need to devote too much to exposition because the reader would already be familiar with the concept of the setting, whereas with worlds built from scratch, the author needs to create cultures, give exposition and such. (Just like how Selesia noted that there aren't any stories in her world and Matsubara promised to include some in future volumes.)

magnuskn

2017-07-02, 17:18

Yeah, of course Selesia's world needs an active creator. It might be that a more limited lore on geography is acceptable in that case, since her world specifically is a medieval style fantasy. However, the existance of giant magi-mecha could also mean that the world has been fully explored and hence a larger canon would be necessary.

But I really don't see the danger of Selesia offing Matsubara. Charon, OTOH... ^^

Harbinger

2017-07-02, 17:19

Btw, who do you think will die next?

Creator: Selesia's creator, Takashi Matsubara. He will be killed by Charon.

magnuskn

2017-07-02, 17:22

Btw, who do you think will die next?

Creator: Selesia's creator, Takashi Matsubara. He will be killed by Charon.

Oof. I actually don't want any of the good guys to die, since I like them all quite a bit. Matsubara would of course be a real hit to the group.

I kinda expect the Code Babylon writer/artist to turn out to be a traitor, though. ^^

MK-95-

2017-07-02, 18:04

The first to die on the hero side is most likely going to be Mirokuji. I just have this gut feeling he's gonna go down in the most badass way possible.

magnuskn

2017-07-02, 18:16

Yeah, admittedly he is about on the top of the list for me as well, given how he lost Hangaku and kinda seems in a bad mindspace about the whole deal.

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-03, 03:05

You could say inside Meteora there is a Hot Librarian ('http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotLibrarian') waiting to be unleashed. Considering Sota is the only one she didn't bash...

Anyway one of the Anons in 4chan compared Black Meteora to Chloe (Kuro) von Einsbern which is probably apt. White Meteora is the Ego while Black Meteora is the Id. Plus she is a game side character like Illya that does not have her own route.

DemonneoPT

2017-07-03, 07:39

The first to die on the hero side is most likely going to be Mirokuji. I just have this gut feeling he's gonna go down in the most badass way possible.

Please no... he and Magane are my favorites :(

RDNexus

2017-07-03, 07:42

Magane should drop dead. She's a bitch, needs to die.

DemonneoPT

2017-07-03, 07:48

That's why i like her so much. She trolls everyone xD

Alf

2017-07-03, 09:17

If they're planning to redeem Altair then Magane isn't likely to die soon. And Hiroe is probably having a lot of fun with her.

Now with that setting, I'm suspecting that curse of Hangaku is why Mirokuji killed a friend's sister.....

MK-95-

2017-07-03, 14:19

Please no... he and Magane are my favorites :(

Well, I arrived at this conclusion via process of elimination. Meteora is safe because she's the pillar of the hero side, meaning she can't die (at least not until the end of the anime). Selesia already had a major death flag with the stab through the gut, so she should be fine for awhile. Kanoya hasn't made any major contributions to the hero side so far, so he's safe until he actually does something noteworthy for the hero side.

Thus, Mirokuji is the only logical choice when it comes to someone dying on the hero team. He's made contributions to the team and has battled/has personal grudges with two of the antagonist characters. Also, having lost Hangaku does raise a death flag for him, so we'll see how that pans out.

He's also one of my fave characters, but right now, he's the only realistic choice among the hero team to die first. If it's any consolation, I do see him going out in style like a complete badass. :heh:

magnuskn

2017-07-03, 14:47

He's also the most hot-headed member of Team Meteora and the most prone to making stupid unforced errors due to said hot-headedness.

MK-95-

2017-07-03, 15:02

^Pretty much. Basically, his death flag is flying the highest on his team right now. Plot and his own characterization seem to be against him atm. :heh:

xizro345

2017-07-04, 22:58

Episode 14 preview:

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Kurohane

2017-07-05, 00:04

Who the heck is voicing that!? Sota? Sounds largely OOC for him.

Rimbo99

2017-07-05, 01:02

And then there came a day unlike any other where the Gods' Mightiest Heroes united against a common threat. The Scarlet Princess, Selesia. Metoera, Mage of Wonders. Yuya, Deadliest Man There is. And Rui, The Divine Rider.

G2CTseVwATc

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-05, 01:57

Who the heck is voicing that!? Sota? Sounds largely OOC for him.

Daiki Yamashita, Sota's seiyuu but he is using Izuku Midoriya voice from My Hero Academia.

magnuskn

2017-07-05, 02:35

Huh, strange preview. Anybody can translate what that was about?

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-05, 03:16

Huh, strange preview. Anybody can translate what that was about?

Sota Otaku mode which sounds like Deku hero Otaku mode.

magnuskn

2017-07-05, 04:22

Yes. What does he say?

Alf

2017-07-05, 04:55

Here:
Oh!? The one sitting over there is the director of Monomagia!?
And this one here is character de....Whoa!! Chief animation supervisor and mecha designer too~~!!
Next episode: "The Reason We Go Travelling"
So many people who are seen on events and interviews~~ It's like a dream~~

magnuskn

2017-07-05, 04:58

Thanks! Much appreciated. :)

tuckersister

2017-07-05, 21:13

Sota's Creation will probably be an important character in the crossover. I just hope his Creation is well developed.

Faux Mecha

2017-07-06, 00:22

Episode 14 preview:

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was expecting him to yell "PLUS-ULTRA!!!" in the end. :heh:

magnuskn

2017-07-06, 10:36

BTW, I find it kinda hilarious that the BEG of Alice world is called "Peeping Eternity". :heh:

xizro345

2017-07-06, 11:36

First picture from the episode as usual from the official Twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DECuJlSUQAMYjVC.jpg

MK-95-

2017-07-06, 19:19

was expecting him to yell "PLUS-ULTRA!!!" in the end. :heh:

Yes! That would've made the reference to Boku no Hero Academia perfect. It's a shame really, that really was a missed opportunity. Still, hearing him use Deku's voice was a treat in its own way. :D

RDNexus

2017-07-06, 19:26

I'm quite sure they couldn't do that. Deku, a character, is a trademark, and so making a direct reference to him or his story may not be allowed.

MK-95-

2017-07-06, 19:39

^There are ways around it, like using a variation of it (by altering the wording) or saying it incompletely. For instance, when Staz almost used the Kamehameha in Blood Lad. :heh:

Also doesn't stop shows like Gintama from throwing around references all the time.

xizro345

2017-07-07, 10:07

Another image from the upcoming episode:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEIwnRIUwAATC13.jpg

Harbinger

2017-07-07, 17:09

^I get a feeling he's going to be killed at his home, while doing what he's doing in that picture!

xizro345

2017-07-08, 00:33

Couple more images:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DELA0TZUAAAUg5A.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEMDM1OUwAEqZ9g.jpg

Cosmic Eagle

2017-07-08, 01:40

Needs more Meteora alt. ver. Also I can never look at Altair as anything but a mop now. One of those cannot be unseen things

xizro345

2017-07-08, 10:10

Another "building" episode.

Judging from the new OP, Selesia will get Vogelchevalier back.
Charon isn't in the OP (at least for now), which is surprising.
New characters include Syo (Yuya's rival).

Mostly this episode was done to set up the mega event, and shows not only what has to be done, but what moves certain creators forward (see Marine's discussion with Sota).

Sota gets an idea and they purposely cut it out.

Also, new character at the end of the episode, and from ED it's clear it's on team Meteora's side.

Mini manga: http://imgur.com/d174gnB

https://www.sunday-webry.com/events/re_creators_naked/interview14/

- Hiroe says that the anime is the story of Creators, Creations, and the audience, with each complementing each other. He prepared a highlight for each of these parts;

- He wanted to show the possible conflicts in putting together so many franchises, while giving a hint of what the final battle will be (as in content they're producing);

- Nakanogane is considered popular among the staff and the cast;

- The creators aren't modeled on a particular person, but on bits and pieces of people Hiroe saw in the industry;

- There's a brief discussion about Marine's struggles and also her breasts (no, I'm not making this up).

magnuskn

2017-07-08, 11:01

Yeah, another episode of plot building.

- Sadly, zero movement on any potential Meteora/Sota front.

- It's mostly the creators bickering about how to write a believable crossover between essentially incompatible genres and also resolving some interpersonality conflicts between themselves.

- I am a little bit disappointed that, now that Yuya's creator is back in the picture (not visibly worse for wear after getting beat up by Yuya), there is no character interaction between the two, especially in regards to Yuya losing Hangaku.

- The new OP really minimizes Magane's involvement and kinda makes Altair look like even more of a woobie (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie) (though in the world destroying (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds) vein). I think the general theory that Magane is going to be the big bad after all could well be correct, in the sense that the writers might try to play their cards close to their chest.

- I have no idea from which genre the new Team Meteora character is. Would be funny if she is essentially a powerless clueless high school girl from a slice of life anime, and as such totally useless to the good guys. :p Would be even funnier if she is the kind of character who saves the day by being supernaturally clumsy, ruining the bad guys plans by sheer accidents of incompetence. :eyespin:

- I hope the power upgrades the creators plan for the creations don't backfire. We all know how many fans react to characters suddenly getting OP powers for no reason. That being said, Meteora summoning fighter jets looks cool as hell. :D

- It's not as much that Sota's idea is rejected, as in that they think it is kinda crazy. However, Matsubara gives him the go-ahead to write it up and then he'll decide if he'll include it. But, hey, a reason for Sota to still be involved, which is good. Otherwise there might have been some valid complaints that he has become useless to the story.

Rimbo99

2017-07-08, 11:26

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1. A hand probably belonging to Altair grasped a heart. What this meant could be interpreted in two ways. Altair presumably crushes the heart representing her desire to destroy the world or referring to a theory that might be coming true.

2. Several scenes showing the characters. Selesia's medical robe blown away shows how never ending the battle between good and evil is going to be but Selesia pushes forward despite this presumably pointlessness. Aliceteria's reflection show how she reflecting back in her past actions and is returning to her old role as protector. Yuya's shadow in the form of Hangaku meant to be how his sins will always be with him till his own death and beyond. Blitz hiding within shadows but lights shone on him meant to represent him seeking hope or atonement which explains why hes loyal to Altair.

3. In relation to no. 1, Setsuna and Altair's relationship could mean they are one and the same. Setsuna disappears meaning her old life is gone and she's now Altair. Altair wanting to take hold of Setsuna shows despite all that has happened, Altair or Setsuna regretting and wanted to be her old self once more.

4. Altair grabbing a White Lotus which means enlightenment of mind and soul.

998185

2017-07-08, 11:30

So was that just 2 new "creations" shown in the OP, with one of them making an appearance at the end of this ep?

Selesia's boyfriend seems to have disappeared after showing up a few times in the old OP and finally appearing at the end of the last non-recap ep.

Sides

2017-07-08, 12:15

I love the new ED, with SD versions of the creations moking around the studios. You kind of feel that the makers do poor a lot of love creating this series, I really hope that the sereis will have a satisfying ending.

James Rye

2017-07-08, 12:29

The recap episode was more enjoyable than this one, but then again this is just the build-up for the huge show-down. Looks like we got a character from a romance series now, time for new shippings?

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-08, 12:34

Ok the government has involved all companies and relevant persons related to the Creation for a big crossover in July 23, 2017... Hey that's my birthday! I do wonder if Mamika's studio, writers, and IP holder's are informed their precious daughter was murdered in trying to stop an omnicidal Donut Steel OC. Cause if they knew they'd definitely want in to bring her back!

As for the OP. Syo is coming to the party and... A school girl? Maybe from a Shoujo manga.

The director of Rui's anime hates the deadline and tries to make an excuse.

The "Creative Differences" that Yatoji shows is reminiscent of directors having a problem with exec meddling to integrate their story to a Verse. For example Edgar Wright with Ant-Man and the directors of the Han Solo film.

Suruga seems to have a plan to bring Blitz to their side as she is drawing his daughter. The reason most likely why he joined Altair. Because his daughter in dead.

It looks like both Syo and the girl arrived at the same time. As Syo's partner seems to be a robot.

I feel sorry for the Shoujo manga girl as her stats is that of a ordinary human.

Oh Sota presents his plan for a Original Generation character.

Random14

2017-07-08, 16:34

Interesting new opening. Now Altair is at that desert location that Sota was in from the first opening (as well as playing up her sorrowful connection to Altair). Hard to tell which side Alice will fall on, I think the only clear fight was Blitz vs. Yuya. So Selesia will get her mech back, and Meteora will summon fighter jets now? Cool. The ending was really cute, I like it even better than the first one.

So did Rui just find a new girlfriend? :D She might be an even better match for him than Mamika could have been. Looks like she's only a romcom character, but you never know. So that new guy in the opening was Syo? That'll be interesting if both Selesia and Yuya end up fighting characters from their own world (and Yuya is supposed to be the last boss character fighting the hero instead).

Fun to see the creators working on the outline for this big crossover. I still wonder if Matsubara and Yatoji met before, given the friction between them. I like that they keep focusing on acceptance- it's tempting to make their characters overpowered but making sure the audience likes and accepts it as appropriate for the story is the most important thing. How meta, just like real life. :heh:

Poor Marine is definitely overshadowed by Suruga, but her advice also applies to Sota and his relationship with the late Setsuna. Wonder how long until we find out what Sota's idea is. Its great to see Sota so active now and good thing they have a justification to have him involved now, as him just acting as delivery person left him a bit superfluous. Hm, an OG character. Well, unless he draws up another Setsuna, but that would be... bizarre for everyone involved, to say the least.

Funny to see the animation studios in shock over the rushed timetable, but with government money anything is possible. I doubt Altair will just sit around and do nothing either. And while Altair is the obvious big threat, I also expect Magane to mess things up for her amusement. Depending on how much they play up Altair's angst, Magane could still end up the final boss.

Too bad no Meteora and Sota. I think I've been watching too many harems, but now I wonder if Altair could turn into a yandere due to lingering Setsuna feelings and it could end up Meteora, Marine and Altair fighting over Sota... yeah, too many harem series for me.

Kurohane

2017-07-08, 17:17

Isn't the girl from Rui's story? The Asuka to his Shinji archetype. I believe she was also briefly seen in the first OP behind Rui in his character shot.

magnuskn

2017-07-08, 17:22

No, I think that was someone else. Neither her nor his reaction indicates they know each other.

Blueknight78

2017-07-08, 17:58

ok, basically we get another badass hero for altair side but for meteora side we get a "clumsy, moe character????, omg probably that is what the serie was missing the "moe archetype" since mamika death, we can't miss a moe character, but i hope she is not "useless".

Honestly speaking why altair could bring to real world that girl if she is just a "normal" girl, she need bring big guns characters to break more fast reality not a "moe" unless moe power levels can break reality in a insane rate :heh::heh::heh:,

well about sota... well since i'm still on my "hate side on him" not too much to add until i see what he did if indeed was good enough to redem this fail guy and again he still "moping" over himself and need another person advice to learn " to grow balls" again, really this guy really need to at last one time proper man up for him past, this already on the past now stop to mop around and live on present and future, stop be this fail man please and maybe i can start to like him.

about new op and ED they look good and some good spoilers about second coure course.

again about the girl i could be wrong but her "cloths remembered me a little of magane maybe she is from the same world??? or just my imagination??.

and we still have the mysterious character which looks like from selecia world and with a high chance to be her serie MC.

about yuya will be fun see he meet his "former friend and currently enemie the mc fom his world, how things will play from there??

about the creators, man i really loved all the "meta here" about powerups and about "how to proper hype a character" without look "forced" and ending being "hated" from fans, really a big meta "for us too", i really like how this anime is really more about "how make interesting series" focused rater than being a action, i really love the creativity here and how we learn how hard is to make mangas, animes and novels and make the fans happy.

really for sure one of the best series for me on this year.

magnuskn

2017-07-08, 18:10

BTW, I don't know if that was deliberate on part of the writers/animators, but Sota looks a bit aged up in the one shot of the OP where the other creators are gaping at what I presume are screens showing the battle royale.

Router25

2017-07-08, 18:56

It feels so fun to anticipate how the OP would look like when the song goes out first (though provided this needs to only happen in the second cour for original series). Did it go out the way you expected it?

magnuskn

2017-07-08, 19:00

Actually I was a bit surprised at some aspects, especially how they are still clearly pushing that Altair is just a woobie who needs lots of hugs (and be put into a pajama and sandals ^^).

DMurphy

2017-07-08, 19:53

So, it's not just me going crazy, is it, the character that showed up at the end there is Mamika, right? An older version of her (from a sequel to the story the previous Mamika came from) but still definitely Mamika.

magnuskn

2017-07-08, 19:56

Nah, I don't think so. Seems the character is from a romance anime, rather than a magical girl anime.

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-08, 22:11

Interesting background event girls looking at Meteora and Yuya together.

Oh my goodness these are shippers aren't they?

magnuskn

2017-07-08, 22:29

I pegged them more as admiring Yuya. Or maybe Meteora's fashion sense. :p

I must say, Meteora dresses quite nicely outside her normal attire. I especially liked the hat.

Requiem-x

2017-07-09, 00:52

Despite all the talking, this was a really good episode to me, for multiple reasons:

-Having a glimpse of just how difficult would be to actually pull off a crossover between multiple series, and different companies to boot, was very interesting and even enlightening as to why such events are a rarity when it comes to anime, manga and the like. And not to say anything about the process of actually writing the thing! I'm no writer, but I've seen enough stories to understand just how insane it would be to try and connect multiple rulesets for different words without ending up with total nonsense. If anything, I would've liked to see some more headbutting between the creators themselves in that regard, but the world does kind of depend on them working together, so with that in mind, it would've probably been very dumb to go down that route.

-Marine's talk with Souta was great, and extremely relatable: Why do something when you know there's people outhere better at it than you, and will always be no matter what? Because you want to do it, because you like to do it. That's the kind of message you could put in the likes of Hyouka and it would fit perfectly. Personally, I needed to hear something like that, and I'm glad Re:creators provided.

-Somehow, I knew the new guy was Sho just from looking at him, so they definetly got the "shounen main character" look right. Kinda funny how we apparently don't get mian guy in the team, but its most likely more of an issue of old rivalries.

-Of course, we also got Charon, who surprisingly doesn't show up in the new OP, but right now my thoughts are in miss main girl, because hers is a concept I've toyed with in my mind since this show came out: What about a romance? What about getting some generic girl from your average love story? Well, apparently the wish has been granted, though I say apparently because, even if she comes from your average romance, she could still have Haruhi-tier powers up her sleeve. I do hope that's NOT the case, though, because I want to see what purpose a normal girl can serve in the upcoming fight.

-Another thing, it seems this girl's name might be star related, so that means, Altair gets Gon and Kirito, while the good guys get... Asuho from Hoshizora no Memoria. That's fair :heh:

-I really like both the new OP and ED, specially the latter, with all the details it has, like Alice looking at Mamika's character sheets.

Zaku1971

2017-07-09, 04:10

Really, everyone in this anime is a chain smoker?

And is it my impression, or there wasn't a single woman between the execs in the meeting at the beginning of the episode?

zztop

2017-07-09, 09:08

Re Creators recap mangas #12:
http://imgur.com/IYHEcu7

Maximum Clickbait - The Quest for Audience Acceptance!

And #13:
http://imgur.com/9pdj55f

Maybe they can give Meteora a magical girl transformation to become Sexy Meteora?

Note when Nakanogane and Yatoji are fighting, Shunma's doodling a cartoon of them fighting!

magnuskn

2017-07-09, 09:14

Thanks for the links. I was waiting for those. :)

DMurphy

2017-07-09, 15:00

And is it my impression, or there wasn't a single woman between the execs in the meeting at the beginning of the episode?

Honestly, given that this episode was pretty committed to a fairly no-frills representation of what the industry is like, and given the glass ceiling, unfair hiring practices, etc -- I'm inclined to think that was intentional on the part of the show.

Kitsu Breaker

2017-07-09, 16:09

Oh, aparently Rui finally accept the Date Invitation of Selesia
http://i.imgur.com/SQxdNWb.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7wIfqDE.jpg

Spica

2017-07-09, 17:00

Is that a heroine from a romance VN? She is either a mistake summon as in the stability of the world is getting worse and creations are getting out of their world randomly or Altair is high. She could be secretly a robot, alien, angel or a goddess. It wouldn't be that strange from a VN heroine.

Also here is some strange idea since Charon is surprisingly missing from OP and ending, what if he is the robot Vogelchevalier human form like the girl in Reideen or RahXephon. This is unlikely though.

Kurohane

2017-07-09, 19:59

He's not. In the first episode when Selesia starts to get pulled from her story, she questions where Charon is while she's in the robot.

Harbinger

2017-07-09, 20:11

I think that Sota's creation is going to be a Neutral observer who creates the "bird cage", a sort of Higher Entity who drags creations from all over the place into his/her playground.

Being a completely new character, the audience should be more willing to accept that Entity's existence and power. Since it's an artificial settings, people might be more willing to accept that their characters got a powerup/downgrade to create a balanced arena.

What is at stake in that Entity's playground? There will be a huge clash between Creations and the winning side gets to return to their original world.

Convoy

2017-07-09, 21:56

DMurphy

2017-07-09, 22:37

Her name is in the credits to episode 14: Hoshikawa Hikayu / 星河ひかゆ.

Definitely not Mamika then (or is she? No, no, she's not). That's almost a shame, it would have been interesting to explore the 'what happens when multiple versions of a character appear in the real world.'

Greenish Growth

2017-07-09, 22:54

Her name is in the credits to episode 14: Hoshikawa Hikayu / 星河ひかゆ.

So there is some connection to "stars" in her name then? I wonder what that might be about. The stars are prominently shown in her scene in the Opening too.

Applehell

2017-07-09, 22:58

Largely a transitional episode, but it wasn't bad. I'm a bit miffed at how all the artists/animators accepted this insane story a little too easily on top being rather laissez-faire in their disposition about it all, but the details are likely just being handwaived for the sake of the story advancement in the allotted time. But I don't think telling people to work to death whom already work nearly slave like hours in this industry is conductive if you ask me. :heh:

We got another new Creation at end, but who knows what hell she's about since she just kind of... shows up? Hmm

MK-95-

2017-07-10, 00:08

The new OP is great, I really like it. I already knew the song beforehand since the single came out, but I wasn't sure if OP 2 would be better than the first going by the song alone. However, I was worried over nothing, the new OP is superior imo. As for the ED, I definitely like the visuals. A bit of fourth wall breaking there and the usage of chibis is welcome. :D But, I prefer the ED1 song over this one.

I like how they gave us this from the PoV of creators and actually addressed real problems that a creator may face when conceiving a new idea or project. I especially liked how much thought they put into discussion about buffing and nerfing characters in acceptable ways while not ruining the character or displeasing the viewers overall. (i.e. To buff/nerf without it feeling like an asspull :D)

Discussion about coinciding motivations and characters having legitimate reasons for being absent in their own worlds, despite their worlds having its own share of problems was also refreshing to see since we need all events leading to the crossover to be as seamless as possible for events to properly fall into place. This is an issue they can't just smooth over because any plot holes that are created, would be easily noticeable when you have so many worldviews and genres converging on one point. Therefore, it is essential to find all common elements in the shortest possible time and build on them for things to fall in place. (For example, some worlds may have fictional resources [lets call it X for convenience sake] that others do not, so now, an author may need to pen in the discovery of a new resource [X] in their story just so that it'd tie both worlds together with a common element that'd lead to an eventual clash of interests between characters of both stories and give legitimate reason for a crossover event.)

I also liked how the creators themselves are having issues and butting heads with settling on a common theme for the crossover because the worldview of their respective stories all have different target audiences and arriving at a decision for this common setting becomes more difficult as a result when you have to appeal to each respective audience. That now creates a delicate situation where you must balance genres and themes to keep it from alienating any particular type of audience... lol Yatoji's a bit tsun. Man, that little blush on his cheek killed me!!

And well, they really went for the Sota/Setsuna comparison with Marine/Suruga... A bit cheap if you ask me, but it was used to great effect (i.e. him resolving himself to become a better creator after realizing that Marine took a path completely different from him), so I'll let it slide. Sota needs to do something to stay relevant too, so this works. Lets see what he comes up with. At least we got a hint from Matsubara and Suruga that Sota does have some kind of talent for character conception. Their reactions tell me that Sota's character could possibly be a key player in the crossover.

All those people in awe at I'm assuming Mirokuji (basass image/attractiveness) walking while Meteora was on the phone was hella funny to watch. The little kid killed me. haha

New girl seems useless... What? She's supposed to be a character from a shoujo story or something? What's her power, moe? damsel in distress whose cries for help summons the pretty boy to save her?

If I had one complaint about this entire episode at all, it'd be that there's an absence of a SotaxMeteora moment. :frustrated: That aside, it was a pretty solid episode.

This is one of the most meta episodes I've seen for any anime in awhile. We have shows like Shirobako and Bakuman, which are acclaimed for how meta they are, but considering how this one isn't in a slice-of-life type setting and is a battle anime to boot, it wins in my book. :heh:

tuckersister

2017-07-10, 05:27

Sota's Creation will look like Altair but will be different than her.

Cosmic Eagle

2017-07-10, 05:47

All those people in awe at I'm assuming Mirokuji (basass image/attractiveness) walking while Meteora was on the phone was hella funny to watch. The little kid killed me. haha

Maybe it's because he seems to be 2+m tall in that scene....

magnuskn

2017-07-10, 08:40

Bah, they are all admiring Meteora's glorious headwear. ^^

SidVicious

2017-07-10, 10:22

The new girl at the end reminds me of Haruka from Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien...

MK-95-

2017-07-10, 15:36

Maybe it's because he seems to be 2+m tall in that scene....

Now you've made me conscious of it... I can't ever not notice it again and now only see him as abnormally tall compared to everyone else... Tho tbf, Meteora is rather short compared to most of the cast as well. So putting her side by side with the tallest character on their side does make it really stand out. I guess that's what they were going for with that scene in the first place.

Also, in art, objects in the foreground appear larger than objects in the background. Perspective and whatnot. It'd explain why he looks so massive compared to the spectators. :heh:

Router25

2017-07-10, 18:37

So, who's the lucky person to get amputated in the later episodes.
I just kinda noticed that in every anime I've watched that is composed by Hiroyuki Sawano, there's this one guy (or many) that gets their limb torn off for character progression (maybe even a living piece of cloth or a mobile suit leg).

Harbinger

2017-07-10, 18:45

konart

2017-07-12, 01:18

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ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-12, 02:12

Magane teasing us dancing while almost wearing nothing. Shoujo girl's creator is a creep.

MK-95-

2017-07-12, 03:48

Felt sorry for new girl. On top of being useless, she has a creator like that... I think this is one instance, where siding with Altair is the lesser of two evils. :heh:

Not a fan of Magane fanservice, those teeth are... uggh :uhoh:

magnuskn

2017-07-12, 07:29

OMG, seems that the new girl is there to be made to suffer. ^^

Magane got an appartment? I think we all know the original owners corpse is stuffed in the fridge.

zztop

2017-07-12, 08:58

In the latest Newtype anime magazine rankings, Re Creators was voted #1 in the popularity rankings.
Souta and Yuuya were ranked #3 and #8 most popular male characters, while Selesia and Meteora were ranked #1 and #10 most popular female characters.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdFx-SXkAEORef.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/6mmrkk/newtype_august_2017_character_ranking/

The One Above God

2017-07-12, 09:02

^That's great. I guess this really is popular there. Well, given the amount of fanarts present already, I shouldn't be too surprised :heh:.

Harbinger

2017-07-12, 12:27

Blitz backstory time!
Magane, get some clothes please.
New girl being creeped over by her creator... Rui, now's your chance!

kuudererules

2017-07-12, 12:28

https://s.kaskus.id/images/2017/07/13/7910298_20170713122616.jpg

Requiem-x

2017-07-12, 13:13

I'm so happy we finally get this type of creator. Seriously, if you're gonna have a series with anime characters coming to the real world, one of them must be conceived for pure self indulgence and pleasure. Its too common of a case not to do it. It would be like a smash game without Kirby or Link. It also supports the idea of her not having powers, because then there would be no "simple" way to deal with the situation. Looking forward to see what comes from this.

(Not gonna lie, part of me wants to apologize to the poor thing already for saying that)

So, the question now is, why the hell is she staying with the good guys? Guess Meteora is using her big sis skills once again.

magnuskn

2017-07-12, 15:14

DemonneoPT

2017-07-12, 15:29

tuckersister

2017-07-12, 19:02

Looking forward to Souta's Creation. I wonder who was in the room when Souta mentioned his plan (the conversation was cut).

Blueknight78

2017-07-12, 19:51

Lol, those tops... out of every character they could pick from this show, they choose Sota as the number 3 in popularity :twitch:. That's impressive for a nonexistent char :heh:. Even Selesia that almost had no time to shine at all (i guess her moment will come in the next episodes) is number 1? It would make more sense if Meteora had that spot and i do not even like her at all. The good thing about this rank is that i'm happy to see original animes such as Re:Creators, Little Witch Academia or Kado are getting popular. The anime industry needs more of those imo!
yeah about souta is really something to annoying me but i can't forget which in japan they true love the "useless" peniless mc" that sort of mc still popular among otakus, which still one of the dark sides of otaku culture" that love over peniless cowards mcs, while now maybe finally he can start to be "less hateable for me" if him true develop and finally stop of wining of that "dead body(pointless drama about setsuna) and proper man up as he is supposed ok, but still sad, i would prefer yuuya or selesia creator over souta, they are much more likeable characters than him.

about the preview omg, it's magane time to "naked shiny", lol:heh::heh::heh:, nothing better than see a "crazy homicide girl dancing almost naked :heh::heh::heh: and the new girl creator omg, i already knew which in order to make some horrible generic ecchi, specially harems ones the writer himself must but a "garbage person" but really seeying one like that omg it's priceless, japan is the only place where they don't mind moking and shame themselfs for the sake of be "weird lol.

really looking foward to the next episode.

Rimbo99

2017-07-12, 21:10

And there came a day unlike any other, when the Gods' Mightiest Heroes united against a common threat! On that day the Creations were born! -- To fight the foes no single hero could withstand.

The Scarlet Princess, Selesia Upitiria. Meteora Österreich, Mage of Wonders. Yuya Mirokuji, deadliest man there is and Rui Kanoya, the Divine Rider.

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zztop

2017-07-13, 01:01

Translations of the briefing notes and texts detailing the crossover plans in Ep 14.
http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2017/07/12/230051

Schedule of the crossover plan:
Jan 14: Elimination Chamber Festival (announced)
Apr 22: Border World Colosseo (TV anime special) Ep 1(90 minute broadcast/stream)
May 20: Border World Colosseo (TV anime special) Ep 2(90 minute broadcast/stream)
End of June:Elimination Chamber Festival video deadline

Outlines for crossover stories of Creations:
Meteora

Observes power of recognition through new magic
Learns of colliding worlds (Altair’s plan)
Meteora herself becomes the hero in the place of the hero (player)?
Heads off on a journey to other worlds

Selesia

Meteora appears in Earthmeria
Asked to help by Meteora
If she doesn’t help other world, Earthmeria will be destroyed
Upgrade Vogalchevalier, find Magic Path
Head to gather other members (starting with Mirokuji)

Mirokuji (Yūya)

Unable to use Hangaku (Because of Altair)
Went to Lockout Ward World to regain the ability
Meets Selesia
Go to Imaginary Tokyo through Magic Path
Join up with Meteora (No guarantee of regaining Hangaku)

Kanoya (Rui)

Open dimensional door with the power of Gigas Makina
Aeon is temporarily disabled?
Connect with Selesia’s Magic Path
Selesia heads to the world of Mono Magia (with Vogalchevalier,)
Agree to cooperate?

magnuskn

2017-07-13, 05:22

Thanks for finding this article! :)

xizro345

2017-07-13, 11:50

Image from the next episode:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEmx5coUwAATjaE.jpg

magnuskn

2017-07-13, 12:07

Guess we'll go back to Team Altair and find out what they are doing for six months. ^^

Honestly, that's a pretty interesting question. Will they just bunk out in some ruins for all that time? At least Magane gets herself an appartment to hang out at.

tuckersister

2017-07-14, 05:00

I think Alice will be neutral but will help out Souta's side behind the scenes.

998185

2017-07-14, 08:53

I think Alice will be neutral but will help out Souta's side behind the scenes.
Alice is going to commit suicide via Magane.

xizro345

2017-07-14, 11:38

Another article on the art design, but this time it's already in English:

https://www.pixivision.net/en/a/2633

New image as well

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsd6xeVwAEzzwm.jpg

sikvod00

2017-07-14, 12:02

Another article on the art design, but this time it's already in English:

https://www.pixivision.net/en/a/2633

New image as well

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsd6xeVwAEzzwm.jpg

It's crazy to think so much time and effort went into assets that had maybe less than a few seconds of screen time!

It makes me want to re-watch those scenes to better appreciate them. I know one of my "weaknesses" as a viewer is that I'm not particularly observant of backgrounds and little details like this.

RDNexus

2017-07-14, 12:23

Don't worry, you're not alone :p

magnuskn

2017-07-14, 17:39

Excellent interview. Thanks for linking it, xizro. :)

xizro345

2017-07-14, 23:35

Another image:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEvpxnfVoAQqYyT.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DExF3uFU0AA414G.jpg

xizro345

2017-07-15, 10:17

Things are getting underway.

The new character is from a dating sim called Hoshizora Milky Way and has absolutely no special power, but was modeled by her creator as sort of ideal girl (the creator is kind of odd, as well). Said creator also has the idea to add a "Fan Disc" to get her into the crossover.

Aliceteria has a sort of standoff with Magane, though her intentions aren't clear.

Blitz's past is shown, as well as Syo, who doesn't really care about the truth of the world, as his first priority is finding Yuya.

Sota's idea is brought up again, but (again) without any kind of explanation.

Lastly, Blitz and Altair have a chat and it's pretty clear Altair has gotten yet another power.

Minimanga: https://imgur.com/a/rCmdV

https://www.sunday-webry.com/events/re_creators_naked/interview15/

- Hikayu is first described as a character from a "former eroge" ported as an all-ages title;

- Hiroe described the character as "totally useless" and in fact there was discussion among the staff regarding her actual inclusion in the story;

- Hiroe's editor was also consulted on the matter and in the end they went with it;

- At first it was conceived as an idol-type character then, under suggestion, it switched to eroge;

- There are a few comments about her creator appearance as well as praise for the voice actor;

- They also talk about Syo, making a reference to the spinoff manga, "Re CREATORS One More!";

- They notice that even Altair's side has changed, not to mention her powerup, though Hiroe said in the story, Meteora has her own way to power up;

- While mentioning the Aliceteria and Magane scene, they joke the towel manages to never fall off (joking it'll fall off in the BD version - and saying afterwards it's a lie);

- they wonder what kind of food Altair's group enjoys since Meteora and Selesia side seem to enjoy food. Hiroe says that Altair probably uses her Holopsicon for that (going to eat Ramen or something), and believing she likes junk food from convenience stores;

- Next segment will be two weeks from now (probably due to the special airing next week).

Next week special is called "Re:CREATORS Summer Special - spending a bit of time with the created girls" (Re:CREATORS サマー特番～被造女子たちと過ごすひと時～):

http://recreators.tv/news/?id=44233

magnuskn

2017-07-15, 10:32

xizro345

2017-07-15, 10:46

Thanks for the interview summary, xizro. You have been an absolute treasure for this thread. :)

BTW, so we won't get a new episode next week, but a "special airing"? What does that exactly mean, do they plan to show the in-universe promotional episode to get the battle royale set up in the mind of the public?

IIRC it has been referred (though I'm not sure if it's official or not, I don't remember) as episode 15.5. As for the contents, I'm not sure.

Greenish Growth

2017-07-15, 10:48

The fandisc idea makes a lot of sense considering how many fandiscs they've put out from renai games.

Magane is not one of the characters I like seeing fanservice from. :p

So that guy not only went after his own creation, he went after Selesia too.

tuckersister

2017-07-15, 10:53

When is Souta's Creation gonna make an appearance?

zztop

2017-07-15, 10:53

IIRC it has been referred (though I'm not sure if it's official or not, I don't remember) as episode 15.5. As for the contents, I'm not sure.

So they won't be airing Ep 16 next week?

magnuskn

2017-07-15, 10:54

Looks like it. Well, after their excellent recap episode, I'm looking forward to whatever the writers will give us. :)

Kitsu Breaker

2017-07-15, 10:58

Well, new episode just proof some anime character don't like to be called ''wife'' by random man
even the girls from the date sim.
I really feel bad for her. really make me think.

Spica

2017-07-15, 11:07

The fandisc idea makes a lot of sense considering how many fandiscs they've put out from renai games.

Wasn't that how Nanoha series was born?

zztop

2017-07-15, 11:11

Hikayu's creator looks like Glenn Quagmire's distant Japanese cousin.
If he made giggity-giggity sounds, it'd seal the deal further.

Looks like it. Well, after their excellent recap episode, I'm looking forward to whatever the writers will give us. :)

If the title's any indication, it'll be a beach/pool episode of some kind.

magnuskn

2017-07-15, 11:19

Well, that may be the ideal way to advance the lingering Meteora/Sota plot (which I still hope is really there... ^^).

DemonneoPT

2017-07-15, 11:39

Stark700

2017-07-15, 11:50

Not going to lie, I don't like the new girl (Hikayu) much. Her creator is even worse. I just hope they give her a relevant role in the upcoming episodes soon.

It'll be interesting to see Sho clash with Yuuya. The question is how Yuuya can fight on par with that guy without his powers?

About time we find out more about Blitz. He's one of the most mysterious characters in this series still. I'm still not sure what Magane might do next, the girl is just too unpredictable at the moment. Regarding Altair, it's obvious she's getting stronger as well. I actually find her character relationship with Blitz to be kinda unique so far.

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-15, 15:07

Hmmm... who's the girl, with a similar power to Magane, Alicetaria was refering to?

Btw, Blitz's story looks interesting. I wonder if some of these Re:Creators characters will have their stories animated as a spin off from this anime or something like that..lol.

Character in Alisteria's story only more OP. I think given Takarada believes she can be sneaky now she is planning to have Magane and Altair kill each other. Magane has to admit Altair is a threat to her "fun". Takarada wants to power up his creation as he believes n her.

Nakogane you need a brain mouth filter. I'm assuming Hikayu is the wholesome version not the ero version. Poor Hikayu is useless as she is now. Her Creator is a delusional creep that needed to put in his place by Kuchihara. Yeah the government recognizes their humans rights and she can put you in jail.

Hikayu is going to get upgrades via fandisk spin-off. Mind you I'm hoping Hikayu inherits Mamika's powers. Mamika passes the stick to her in story. So while Mamika is gone she is still with the heroes in spirit.

Both Meteora and Altair get their upgrades. Meteora has the Acceptance gauge. Altair has her monitoring upgrade.

Blitz is essentially a Kiritsugu expy. Only that he really did pull the trigger on his daughter to save the world. He isn't siding with Altair because he wants revenge. Nope he sees Altair as the girl that needs to be sacrificed to save the world. In other words he has adopted Altair as a replacement goldfish for his daughter.

Syo? He is at the naive single minded stage of a protagonist. Going after Yuya. Knowing his creator there is probably a twist that Syo doesn't know.

magnuskn

2017-07-15, 16:42

Well, saw the episode. Apparently, yes, Altair and her people will be hanging out in whatever ruined factory they can find for six months. Oh, well. I say Team Meteora got the better deal there. :p

And, hey, I don't know what Alice is planning to do, but telling Magane to go wild and cause chaos has to be the strangest thing she's done yet. Honestly, Alice just having a civil conversation with Magane was causing me some cognitive dissonance. ^^ Also, holy fanservice, Magane! For the people who wrongly think she's best girl (instead of worshipping at the righteous altar of Meteora :p) that had to be heaven. :D

I may be wrong, but since this series is quite a lot Hiroe's commentary on the anime industry, I guess his opinion of eroge creators isn't too high. :heh: And, hey, the new character turned out to be as useless as I predicted.

I have to wonder now what Sota's story idea was, if Meteora judges it to have too big a contradiction to include in the story. Well, we'll probably see after the special episode. Go get Metchin, Sota! :p Just don't be a creep about it like that eroge writer.

Now, for one problem I've noticed with the current set-up for how things will turn out: If just being for an extended time in the real world makes a creation so much more human that many old motivations don't apply anymore, wouldn't that create huge problems for Altair with the latest two arrivals, Syo and Charon? I mean, two of her crew already have become insubordinate and Magane didn't join up at all. In the same vein, if Alice had so much growth in so little time, I wonder if Magane will grow to be less violent over time as well?

Lastly, Altair getting predictive powers is of course a huge power-up for her. That she is going as far as planning to help the good guys create a better plan to defeat her (because otherwise defeating them easily would be meaningless) is of course an interesting approach to take. Her motivations are a bit more complex than we thought, I guess.

DemonneoPT

2017-07-15, 16:59

^^ Also, holy fanservice, Magane! For the people who wrongly think she's best girl (instead of worshipping at the righteous altar of Meteora :p) that had to be heaven. :D

Nah, the best Magane fanservice is when she trolls everyone and doesn't care about what either hero or villain as to say to her. Basicaly, being immune to the talk no jutsu and actually countering it with her power :heh:. That's why she is the best girl :D

magnuskn

2017-07-15, 17:07

Nah, the best Magane fanservice is when she trolls everyone and doesn't care about what either hero or villain as to say to her. Basicaly, being immune to the talk no jutsu and actually countering it with her power :heh:. That's why she is the best girl :D

Hey, I'll happily admit that was a strong showing by her this episode (I guess she has the previous owner of her appartment stashed in the cupboard instead of the fridge :heh:), but I still think that Meteora would outwit her by not being drawn into the two-lies trap like Yuuya was. :p

Wandering Soul

2017-07-15, 17:14

Hikayu really drew the short stick as far as creators go. The dude is a real creep.

AC-Phoenix

2017-07-15, 17:51

You know for some reason I think that ability of Altair's to foresee stuff was the MCs idea :rolleyes:
And by my guess its not giving her as much accurate information as she thinks it does.

And well the Eroge writer is a creep.
Wonder what ability he will give her - To show her panties even more? (watch the episode to get the reference)
I seriously wouldn't hold it against any of the characters if they switched sides to Altair now :rolleyes:

Diluc

2017-07-15, 17:52

Well, her special ability is showing panties and seducing men

LMAO best line ever:heh::heh:
I wonder if there is a mocking attempt toward dating sim game by Hiroe and staff game behind the inclusion of Hikayu and making the creator damn fugly.

Blueknight78

2017-07-16, 00:15

Hey, I'll happily admit that was a strong showing by her this episode (I guess she has the previous owner of her appartment stashed in the cupboard instead of the fridge :heh:), but I still think that Meteora would outwit her by not being drawn into the two-lies trap like Yuuya was. :p
that could be the worst battle of anime history, exposition character vs troll talking, both battling a never ending battle of discuss and argue, omg the terror of imagining this happening hurting my brains.
LMAO best line ever:heh::heh:
I wonder if there is a mocking attempt toward dating sim game by Hiroe and staff game behind the inclusion of Hikayu and making the creator damn fugly.
honestly i feel like he really described like 70 to 90% of the ecchi hard core writers, not only erogue games but also LN and manga writers, i aways had a feelings which guys which write series like to love ru and others too harcore borderline hentai ecchi could be really like that dude, some loner virgin or almost virgin looser, or soo 2d focused guy which his only desire is strip pants from 2d girls.

i really, really feel like they where a bunch of perv guys with "woman issues"(even the married ones like "cheating due to too much working and not giving attention to womans), i can be biased and wrong but honestly that aways was my tought toward it.

Ultragunner

2017-07-16, 04:29

"Protagonists like you, your motives are too simple"
BRUHHHH :heh:

hahahahaha

MK-95-

2017-07-16, 05:54

I find it incredibly funny that Hikayu feels like everyone's invaded her privacy. It also doesn't help that the game she's from was originally an eroge. So, not only does everyone know about her, but the people who've played the eroge also know what she looks like naked. :heh:

I feel so bad for her. Her creator's such a creep, it's fricken cringy to watch. (But I can understand where he's coming from. I'm pretty sure she's what his ideal woman is supposed to be and seeing her in reality would make you act as such... still cringy to watch tho. :twitch:)

"Her special ability is... showing her panties and seducing men." Breh!! I almost keeled over from laughing so hard.

Ironic that Sho, the protagonist of his story is on the antagonists' side of the conflict whereas it's the opposite for Yuya. Blitz roasted him good by low key calling him simple tho.

Fanservice and Magane should never be in the same sentence. EVER. It just felt wrong tbh...

Not gonna lie, I felt so proud seeing Alice actually being able to talk with Magane at a level showing that she at least grasps how Magane's thought-process works. She's come a long way from being totally naive and taking everything at face value. Those confrontations with Meteora and her creator really paid off.

Alice's creator dropped a huge hint as well. He implied that it may be possible for a character to evolve beyond their initial character description. The possibility that she may do something that contrasts her knight setting is proof enough that while these characters are fictional, they can still feel(become) real/human because they aren't being restricted to what their creators wrote/envisioned them to be. i.e. They're able to achieve change without interference from their creator. (In this case, the change is only applied to personality/characteristics instead of power/abilities since we already know that the author needs the approval of the consumer for the latter change to take effect).

Also, gotta give credit where credit's due. You were absolutely right with your speculation @magnuskn. Meteora was updated via the crossover with Selesia's story.

Why!! Why do they keep teasing us with Sota's idea? It's kinda eating at me now and I won't be able to get it off my mind until it's revealed. Gonna make a wild guess here, but I'm gonna say that the foresight power Altair just got, has something to do with Sota's idea.

Lastly, Altair's relationship with Blitz is complicated (I didn't expect them to have this much of a bond/understanding. It honestly surprised me), but it does tell me that she does want someone she can lean and depend on. That's more or less how I interpreted it and I'm pretty sure that the person who'll save her is Sota since it'd be his way of getting redemption for turning his back on Setsuna when she needed saving. It also tells me that the last boss is going to be Magane. This episode gave it away. :heh:

Tenzen12

2017-07-16, 06:12

Nah Magane is small scale evil and she wouldn't like it any other way. In other hand Altair situation doesn't changed bit. Having symphatetic final boss is much better than absolute monster.

James Rye

2017-07-16, 06:47

If that poor girl sees the x-rated game of hers or all those doujinshis made about her, she's gonna drop dead of embarrassment. But she's really adorable when she's upset, so it's okay.^^
I wonder how that fandisk will fare and what it will be about, if her special power has anything to do with showing her panties each time I will pity that poor girl so much. xD

Looks like things are proceeding fine on both sides, each side is powering up, though the creators can't control what powers Altair will gain in the meantime. Her being able to "predict" the actions or at least watch what their shields are doing in this new power of her is quite useful already.

Anh_Minh

2017-07-16, 06:52

In the fandisk, she shows her panties and seduces women. She uses her newfound powers on Altair and Magane, problem solved.

zztop

2017-07-16, 08:13

Recap manga Ep 14:
http://imgur.com/Wqgi9Wc

Meteora secretly wished she could transform into Sexy Meteora and upstage Yuuya.

Just realized Ohnishi-san is voiced by Fukushima Jun, aka Kazuma from Konosuba.
"Hai, Ohnishi desu".

The porting of PC erotic dating sims to an all-ages console port is a good highlight of how gaming consoles (PS, PS Vita etc.) are generally considered as mainstream among Japanese society.

Kurohane

2017-07-16, 11:09

Found some clarification about the Altair-Blitz scene as it seems Amazon (again!) messed up the translation.

Credit to Mysterious Banana on MAL:
What Altair says is:

"だからこそ。。。だからこそ君は最終気仙に望むべきでわないと思う。"

To my understanding what that actually translates to "Because of that... because of that, I do not believe you desire [my] ultimate goal."

Basically that entire dialogue is Blitz admitting he knows what Altair's up to, but saying he's on her side because he feels like he has to protect her, and in response to his honesty Altair admits she knows he won't help her in the end because that isn't what his secret wish is; it's why his eye twitches right after she says that and the drawing his pistol was a fake out to the audience (to make us think he's going Mamika's route). What she's actually doing is letting him go and they're parting as enemies on good terms.

This is hinted at pretty heavily in the scenes leading up to it as well: his flashback shows that as much as Blitz loved his daughter, he still knew he had to shoot her to save the world, so even if Altair is a surrogate daughter he'd still wind up making the same choice; also in his introductory conversation with Sho he remarks that it's obvious one should try to get their wish granted instead of seeking revenge, which contradicts the idea he would help Altair destroy the world in an act of revenge.

Cosmic Eagle

2017-07-16, 11:25

Found some clarification about the Altair-Blitz scene as it seems Amazon (again!) messed up the translation.

Credit to Mysterious Banana on MAL:

More than that....it actually translates more to "I believe my final endgame is not something you should desire" ie...she's pushing him away not because purely he's fundamentally incompatible with her but because she also does not want to put him in a spot.

tuckersister

2017-07-16, 11:34

Someone told me that Souta's Creation will proabably have the ability to learn other Creation's skills and techniques and its analytical skills are par to Megane and Meteora (it's just its confidence is lacking).

magnuskn

2017-07-16, 11:36

I love that they are giving Altair quite a bit of complexity with this.

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2017-07-16, 11:44

Nah Magane is small scale evil and she wouldn't like it any other way. I'm not sure about that. Her original goal is to create a sorta messed-up empire. Who knows, her getting a nice condo might be her beginning to do/execute that plan :heh:.

Kamieichi

2017-07-16, 11:58

Found some clarification about the Altair-Blitz scene as it seems Amazon (again!) messed up the translation.

Credit to Mysterious Banana on MAL:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1637150&show=100#msg51547928

Convoy

2017-07-16, 12:05

I'm a bit confused. When Hikayu denies Nakanogane's assertion that she can take off her panties to seduce men, is that because she's too embarrassed to admit he's right, or something else?

Spica

2017-07-16, 14:16

Found some clarification about the Altair-Blitz scene as it seems Amazon (again!) messed up the translation.

Some one said that clarification isn't also accurate.

MK-95-

2017-07-16, 14:32

Nah Magane is small scale evil and she wouldn't like it any other way. In other hand Altair situation doesn't changed bit. Having symphatetic final boss is much better than absolute monster.

Actually, I'm of the opinion that Magane is the final obstacle for everyone to clear. Chaos is her ultimate goal and if Altair chickens out at the last moment (which she most likely will), Magane herself may step in and add the final touches.

If this episode told me anything, it's that Altair just feels alone/abandoned and is angry because of how her creator was treated. She's channeling this anger into her plan to destroy the world, but that's not what she truly wants. I'd say she just wants to be understood and saved by someone. (The OP also hints at this.)

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-16, 18:44

While Blitz sacrificed the life of his daughter to save the world he had no choice left. His daughter was just a head running the machinery making her suffer. It was a mercy kill.

Altair's goal goes against Blitz's wish. To get his daughter back. Suruga drawing her and him may indicate she is wiling to bribe his allegiance. Altair aims to destroy all worlds. However Blitz sees Altair as another little girl that is about to be sacrificed for the sake of the world. Thing is Altair made it clear... She doesn't want to be saved. Just look at what she did to Mamika. Which is why these are sadistic choices that Blitz has to make up his mind. Save his daughter or save Altair.

Speaking of Mamika Alisteria experienced twice not being able to save the girl. In her story and in reality. She now knows Altair is played her like fiddle. Hence allying herself with Magane to draw her out. However she isn't aware of Mamika's wish to save both the world and Altair. Altair is going for the destruction of the world and her own.

It occurs to me Altair, Blitz, Alisteria, and Syo all have lost loved ones. All but Blitz desire revenge. Blitz is different that he lost hope but gained it again with the possibility to bring his daughter back.

LunarArchivist

2017-07-16, 19:00

And by my guess its not giving her as much accurate information as she thinks it does.

Well, if you look at Altair's wheel of fortunetelling, there's one avatar for each of the currently active Creations with the exception of herself. Since the Creators themselves aren't on her radar, they seem to be the only ones capable of outsmarting her at this point.

Wonder what ability he will give her - To show her panties even more?

I wonder how that fandisk will fare and what it will be about, if her special power has anything to do with showing her panties each time I will pity that poor girl so much. xD

I'm kind of wondering if she's either going to go all Kekko Kamen at this point or Altair's a secret lesbian and panty-flashing will cause her to die from blood loss via nosebleeds. :heh:

BTW, I find it kinda hilarious that the BEG of Alice world is called "Peeping Eternity". :heh:

If you think that's funny, I'm pleased to inform you that Alicetaria's magical gauntlet, while named after a historical knight with a prosthetic metal hand, is actually German slang for "Kiss my ass!" :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDvdey2WsAE1g24.jpg

If one releases a fandesign unto the world with a blank slate for backstory, does that mean outside fan derivatives will shape and fill in said blank slate?

I think it would be disasterous if hentai doujinshi started filling in the unexplored gaps in their sex lives. And people thought Hikayu had it bad. :heh:

http://i.imgur.com/uelPzYQ.jpg

AC-Phoenix

2017-07-16, 19:11

Well, if you look at Altair's wheel of fortunetelling, there's one avatar for each of the currently active Creations with the exception of herself. Since the Creators themselves aren't on her radar, they seem to be the only ones capable of outsmarting her at this point.

Really depends opn what kind of idea Souta had.
At the moment I think that ability for Altair was his, as he (if I got that one right) said he should be the one drawing Altair in addition to making a character of his own.

Altairs biggest strength is pretty much her worst weakness - she doesn't even know how all of her abilities work, so the best option would imho being one that would cause self destruction without her knowing it :D

LunarArchivist

2017-07-16, 19:19

Altairs biggest strength is pretty much her worst weakness - she doesn't even know how all of her abilities work, so the best option would imho being one that would cause self destruction without her knowing it :D

I'm kind of wondering if Altair's motives might involve a plot twist of some sort. We all know that Creators can effect change in their Creations. What if she wants to do the reverse, i.e. destabilize reality to the point where she can rewrite Setsuna's fate and prevent her from committing suicide?

magnuskn

2017-07-16, 19:23

If you think that's funny, I'm pleased to inform you that Alicetaria's magical gauntlet, while named after a historical knight with a prosthetic metal hand, is actually German slang for "Kiss my ass!" :D

As a German historian I am well aware of the historical Götz von Berlichingen and the phrase "Er aber, sag’s ihm, er kann mich im Arsche lecken!". While he wore a metal gauntlet as a hand prosthetic, I am not aware that the gauntlet itself had any connection to the "kiss my ass" phrase.

LunarArchivist

2017-07-16, 19:31

As a German historian...

Well, there was no way for me to have known this. :heh:

I am not aware that the gauntlet itself had any connection to the "kiss my ass" phrase.

It doesn't. Given Alicetaria's volatile temperament, though, it's funny mentally picturing her using "Kiss my ass!" as a power summoning phrase. :D

Router25

2017-07-16, 19:48

Any bets that Sota's Creation is named Vega?

tuckersister

2017-07-16, 21:19

Any bets that Sota's Creation is named Vega?

What make you think that?

Also I hope Altair VS Souta's Creation fight will be epic. I think they are both similar but different is how they gain their skills. That's why Altair gain her skills from fanservice stuff and Sota's Creation would gain skills by learning other Creation's skills. You key in the factor that the Creation has a similarity with their Creator.

Cloudedmind

2017-07-16, 21:32

What make you think that?

I'm going to assume it's because Vega is a star that's part of the Summer Triangle along with Altair and Deneb.

magnuskn

2017-07-17, 02:40

Well, there was no way for me to have known this. :heh:

At least the "German" part is right there under my name. :p

Faux Mecha

2017-07-17, 11:35

Tenzen12

2017-07-17, 13:42

Actually, I'm of the opinion that Magane is the final obstacle for everyone to clear. Chaos is her ultimate goal and if Altair chickens out at the last moment (which she most likely will), Magane herself may step in and add the final touches.

If this episode told me anything, it's that Altair just feels alone/abandoned and is angry because of how her creator was treated. She's channeling this anger into her plan to destroy the world, but that's not what she truly wants. I'd say she just wants to be understood and saved by someone. (The OP also hints at this.)

Sure, but that doesn't make her final boss. In the end party would have to deal with Altair plan, who push button is mirror thing. You also can't expect epic fight with Magane, especially if Yuuya manage regain it. At best they will stop evil plan and trash her bit in epilogue.

It also doesn't matter whether Altair want truly destroy world or want be saved. If she is that way good, we got sympathetic final boss. There is plenty of these. Well, there is also possibility someone completely different will take over her role, but Magane is not alternative.

Requiem-x

2017-07-17, 15:21

something tells me the only way to make Hikayu effective in battle without straying too far from the source material is by turning her into a yandere character, judging from other series, yandere characters seem to have superhuman feats in terms of their actions which is quite useful in combat, on a plus side she would never have to worry about her creator trying to molest her ever again........... :uhoh::heh:

You underestimate the power of a yandere fetish. Also, the thing about fandiscs, and why the pervert suggested it, is that they don't have to obey canon in the slightest: The material in them can go from extra routes to a one-shot battle between mahou shoujo, demons and pirates, anything goes.

ReddyRedWolf

2017-07-17, 15:36

Know what with Yatoji part of the team I can see Hikayu both power up skill wise and have support... Of a certain Magical Slayer.

Hangaku was supposed to be a spirit of a female samurai general why not Mamika?

magnuskn

2017-07-17, 19:46

Y'know, with Sota spending all this time with the Creators at a government facility, I wonder what he told his mom what he is doing, instead of, erm, going to school? I know she has not been seen since episode one, but technically he still is a minor. Did he tell her he got an internship with some government office?

I know that is not the focus of the show, but those little things make you wonder a bit, like how I was musing about how all the creations are going to spend their time in those six months.

Anh_Minh

2017-07-18, 15:50

I'm going to assume it's because Vega is a star that's part of the Summer Triangle along with Altair and Deneb.

Not only that, but Vega and Altair (not Deneb) are part of Tanabata's legend.

tuckersister

2017-07-18, 20:00

I wonder if Re:Creator Altair have similarity to the legend.

I betting that Altair and Vega (got tired of "Souta's Creation) have the same ability but gains powers and skills differently. The reason why I said Vega gains powers and skills from other Creations cuz of how his Creator Souta is. Souta is not a talented person but he learns from other people to better himself. Vega can learn and observe other Creation's skills and powers and apply it to himself developing his own version of it. That would definitely be awesome.

xizro345

2017-07-18, 22:49

Preview for the special:

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As expected, it'll be some sort of stuff with the VAs from the anime, from the look of it. I know people somewhere where expecting something different, but there was no indication of something animated (considering it's just done since they had to get the air time for 25 episodes).

pagan poor

2017-07-18, 23:05

Yoko Hikasa is a good lookin woman.

magnuskn

2017-07-19, 02:28

Oh, well. Beach episode would have been best, but I get that they have a budget, too. :p

tuckersister

2017-07-19, 04:43

Yoko Hikasa is a good lookin woman.
Of course. I saw her in the last two Symphogear Live concerts. Speaking of that, Inori was from that series, so what a coincidence.

Cosmic Eagle

2017-07-22, 01:21

I wonder if Re:Creator Altair have similarity to the legend.

It is summer now at least....while July 7th has passed, actual Tanabata is late Aug by lunar calendar. Maybe it'll coincide with the climax?

tuckersister

2017-07-22, 08:07

I hope Vega makes a damn awesome entrance. I think Vega will be similar to how Souta is. Altair is talented while Vega is hardworking, hence he is always chasing her. That's why "the ability to learn skills and power of other Creations" suits him.

xizro345

2017-07-22, 11:56

So, the special was basically the voice actresses of Meteora, Selesia and Aliceteria playing a few quiz games. Aliceteria's VA kept shouting her attack name, among other things.

New wallpaper released:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFWTZsIUMAA4Np_.jpg:large

Minimanga: https://imgur.com/a/DM5gj

This special will be included in the BD released at the end of November.

magnuskn

2017-07-22, 14:08

Any idea if we'll get a regular episode next week or the second special?

xizro345

2017-07-22, 14:52

Aoki posted on his Twitter that next week episode 16 will air:

https://twitter.com/ei_aoki/status/888787403065892864

IIRC the week after 16 there will be the final special and then airing will proceed as usual.

magnuskn

2017-07-22, 16:06

Thanks for the info, xizro. :)

MK-95-

2017-07-22, 17:22

Sure, but that doesn't make her final boss. In the end party would have to deal with Altair plan, who push button is mirror thing. You also can't expect epic fight with Magane, especially if Yuuya manage regain it. At best they will stop evil plan and trash her bit in epilogue.

It also doesn't matter whether Altair want truly destroy world or want be saved. If she is that way good, we got sympathetic final boss. There is plenty of these. Well, there is also possibility someone completely different will take over her role, but Magane is not alternative.

Why can't we expect an epic fight with Magane? The way her power works and the fact that she can potentially steal anyone's power more than make her eligible to have a good and proper showdown with anyone.

The final villain doesn't necessarily need to be the most powerful foe that the protagonists must face, I don't know why it's always treated like it's a matter of fact. In some cases, the final villain may actually be the weakest in terms of power-scaling, but compensates by being immensely intelligent or having an equalizer (in this case, the ability to steal the power of others).

Leaving the realm of anime/manga for a sec (since I can't think of any clear cut examples there atm), lets take a look at comics. Take the Joker and Lex Luthor for example, they are considered Batman's and Superman's greatest foes respectively. Do they have OP powers or pose danger on a global scale? No, they don't, but that still doesn't take away from the threat they pose. Bats and Supes have more than enough superpowered and even godlike villains that can literally squash both Joker and Luthor like bugs. What makes them stand out above the others isn't something simple like what powers they may or may not have, but the resourcefulness and wit they have at their disposal.

Magane has these qualities and while she may seem totally crazy and carefree, she may in fact be the one character that looks at/think about things in the long term more than any other atm. (This isn't just conjecture either because Altair is solely fixated on having the world fall into chaos [short term] and the Protag side is preoccupied with minimizing damage and preparing for the corssover, while simultaneously working on PR for fan support [specific countermeasure to Altair's plan. Since it doesn't take into consideration the aftermath of the situation or anything like that, we can consider it short term as well])

Magane has the time to actually sit down and clearly think about the future. This was even hinted at in her conversation with Alice, since she was actually given an idea to play with.

The way Altair's being portrayed atm, it wouldn't be strange if she chickens out right as she's going to achieve her goal (via a change of heart). At that moment, it may be when Magane actually steps in and finishes things off, thus becoming the last boss in the process.

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Sorry for replying so late, I didn't see your reply until I checked the thread today.

DemonneoPT

2017-07-22, 18:56

@MK-95-

I totally agree with you. I'm a big Magane fan, so i really hope that will happen. And since i'm also a total masochist, the most entertaining ending would be Magane reckting and trolling everyone in the last episodes and then ending the show with her stabing our monitors/TV (the audience) while saying season 2 was canceled :heh:. Fans would go insane lol

magnuskn

2017-07-22, 19:15

To be honest, Magane's power depends on people being stupid and careless when dealing with her.

After Yuya already lost half of his power set to her and Alice has leveled up her intelligence stat, Magane is fastly running out of useful people who would be careless enough in dealing with her to power her up even more. Unless she can manage to get to Syo and Charon before they interact with the "real" world enough to stop being set in their ways.

MK-95-

2017-07-22, 19:41

^Actually, considering how good her wordplay game is, I don't think it should be that difficult for someone to fall into a trap. Common sense dictates that one simply stay quiet when fighting against her, but we know that for the plot's sake, the characters won't do that.

Someone's bound to get caught up in her pace despite knowing how her power works. As as said in my very first post in this thread, if she can vilify the concept of justice and chivalry, then she has my praise. (I used vilify back then, but thinking about it now, I think demonize would've been a much more appropriate word.)

Besides, we still don't know the full extent of her power. So far, we know that denying she could do something or calling her a liar are two ways to trigger her power. One resulting in her summoning a creature and the other being that she can steal another character's power. She also has an additional power where she can completely neutralize an attack and make it ineffective for an unspecified amount of time.

Considering how sneaky she is, she just might have something more up her sleeve, so I won't count her out just yet.

magnuskn

2017-07-22, 20:30

Again, Magane has pretty much exhausted the characters who she can easily manipulate. I'm not saying she can't do it, but it won't be the easy wins she got with Alice and Yuya.

tuckersister

2017-07-23, 09:48

I would wonder how Vega fights and what weapons he would use that will parallel to Altair's fight style.

xizro345

2017-07-25, 13:45

Sawano's second album (which includes a special track from the series) will be released on Sept 20th.

https://twitter.com/sawano_nZk/status/889681819909603328

Also - fingers crossed - I may get the second BD tomorrow.

magnuskn

2017-07-25, 14:54

Well, they are getting them out quite quickly. Too bad they have no subtitles.

Maybe Amazon will do subtitled BD's, since they got the rights to the series? One can dream...

xizro345

2017-07-25, 22:30

Preview:

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magnuskn

2017-07-25, 23:18

Well, I hope that look on Sota's face is him realizing that he better go after Meteora. :p

zztop

2017-07-26, 00:48

^Confirmed Yuuya's narrow waist and lower torso is improportional to the broadness of his upper body.

Newest ani-magazine scans of Re Creators:
Yukatas and brainfreeze:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEPZmz3XoAAjkay.jpg

Sexyora:
https://yande.re/post/show/400470

Tenzen12

2017-07-26, 06:35

Why can't we expect an epic fight with Magane? The way her power works and the fact that she can potentially steal anyone's power more than make her eligible to have a good and proper showdown with anyone.

The final villain doesn't necessarily need to be the most powerful foe that the protagonists must face, I don't know why it's always treated like it's a matter of fact. In some cases, the final villain may actually be the weakest in terms of power-scaling, but compensates by being immensely intelligent or having an equalizer (in this case, the ability to steal the power of others).

Leaving the realm of anime/manga for a sec (since I can't think of any clear cut examples there atm), lets take a look at comics. Take the Joker and Lex Luthor for example, they are considered Batman's and Superman's greatest foes respectively. Do they have OP powers or pose danger on a global scale? No, they don't, but that still doesn't take away from the threat they pose. Bats and Supes have more than enough superpowered and even godlike villains that can literally squash both Joker and Luthor like bugs. What makes them stand out above the others isn't something simple like what powers they may or may not have, but the resourcefulness and wit they have at their disposal.

Magane has these qualities and while she may seem totally crazy and carefree, she may in fact be the one character that looks at/think about things in the long term more than any other atm. (This isn't just conjecture either because Altair is solely fixated on having the world fall into chaos [short term] and the Protag side is preoccupied with minimizing damage and preparing for the corssover, while simultaneously working on PR for fan support [specific countermeasure to Altair's plan. Since it doesn't take into consideration the aftermath of the situation or anything like that, we can consider it short term as well])

Magane has the time to actually sit down and clearly think about the future. This was even hinted at in her conversation with Alice, since she was actually given an idea to play with.

The way Altair's being portrayed atm, it wouldn't be strange if she chickens out right as she's going to achieve her goal (via a change of heart). At that moment, it may be when Magane actually steps in and finishes things off, thus becoming the last boss in the process.

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Sorry for replying so late, I didn't see your reply until I checked the thread today.

Honestly you are completely rewriting her character. She doesn't think long term. Never. She will not sit and will not think any master plan. She will take bath in money and go and screw with someone for fun. That's Magane.

Yes she does resemble Joker, but unlike him she has not his obsession. He can be main villain because he is on completely different scale. He came and leave with Bang. Magane simply doesn't have that. She is nuisance and spanner in the work, wild card that will screw both heroes and villains alike, but will not stick with anything for long.

As I said sure if Altair chicken out, Magane as well might push red button of doom, because... why not? But that doesn't make her main villain. That one is reserved for people who are actual threat. If she were she would already screwing with Altair or would actually succeed with manipulating Souta, but she didn't and there is no reason suddenly switch her role in middle of story with no foreshadowing or ability to do that.