Grancrest Senki [Light Novel]

[darkdhaos]

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Title: Grancrest Senki (グランクレスト戦記)
Author: Mizuno Ryo (水野良)
Illustrator: Miyuu (深遊)
Publisher: Fujimi Fantasia Bunko (富士見ファンタジア文庫)
Status: 8 Volumes (Ongoing)

Summary:
Chaos rules and breeds disaster on the entire continent, but the Lords of the continent have the power of "Crest" (Holy Seal) that can calm the chaos and protect the people. However, before anyone realizes it, the rulers cast aside their creed of purifying the chaos, and instead start to fight each other for each others' Crests and to gain dominion over one another. The story center on Siluca, an isolated mage who scorns the Lords for abandoning their creed, and a wandering knight named Theo, who is on a journey to train to one day liberate his hometown, which is under tyrannical rule. Siluca and Theo make an everlasting oath to each other as master and servant, and work together to reform this continent dominated by wars and chaos.

http://i.imgur.com/h4eIbXY.jpg
From left to right:

Theo: A wandering knight on a training trip for the purpose of liberating his hometown. As he got the crest by his own power, his latent powers are quite high.

Siluca: A genius mage. She finds in Theo her ideal Lord, one that fights for the sake of the weak, that's why she chooses to follow him.

Aishela: An excellent Artist (evil crest user) that boast and incredible fighting power. She likes Siluca a lot, and it's quite vigilant of Theo.

Lassic: King of Sevis. He once tried to attack Theo's territory and got defeated. After swearing his allegiance to Theo, and for the sake of Theo's dream, he works hard on the territory's expansion.

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There's also a manga version being published in Young Animal (ヤングアニマル).

[SamVision]

Looks like it doesn't have any of that "another world" bollocks. That's an immediate gold star from me. Another for lack of harem.

Not liking the description of Aishela's character. She sounds like one of those insufferable types that you want the author to kill off but will not because the author likes them too much.

[zztop]

Mizuno Ryo is also the creator/author of the Lodoss Senki franchise.

[dragon1412]

Mizuno Ryo is also the creator/author of the Lodoss Senki franchise.

now this got me really interested

[teddychan]

hmm...... time to make use of uncle google :P

[NAJ P. Jackson]

I've read the 3 translated chapters of the manga and it has potential. One downside is the MC Theo is not the intelligent type of MC which I always prefer when it come to Novels with Nobles involve like Roland from RtW.

[DragonOsman]

Where can I read the novels? Anyone have any idea? I've read the manga up until Chapter 3 as well, but I want to read the novels.

[Ramero]

I'm more interested in how Siluca can help Theo though.

I just the manga up to Chapter 3 anyway.

[DragonOsman]

I'm also interested in seeing that, but also in how Siluca is a femme-fatale type of girl (if she really is one). That and I want to read the novels, but I don't like characters like Aishela. She'll get in the way of Siluca and Theo's relationship and I don't like that.

[Prongs]

Usual Trinity Question please.

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Chapter 4 of the manga is out and my first impression of Theo is the same. He's not an intelligent type of MC and he is way over his head in being a feudal Lord. Siluca brought him along to see to the affairs of his territory and he goes and goofs around with the villagers and leaves the serious talks to Siluca. I want to punch him so much grrrr

[Breimn]

Well, he just started off. Lets see how he grows up.

[devilo96]

Well aftet the anime out...i guess someone will picm this ln

[patcan3609]

Ohh...finally a kiss at Volume 4 between Theo and Siluca.

[teddychan]

Ohh...finally a kiss at Volume 4 between Theo and Siluca.

nice give us more spoilers
to us Peasants

[Soulwarfare42]

Ohh...finally a kiss at Volume 4 between Theo and Siluca.

So the ship sails. Good

[Laura De farnese]

ohh...finally a kiss at volume 4 between theo and siluca.

please give me spoiler

[DragonOsman]

Ohh...finally a kiss at Volume 4 between Theo and Siluca.

Me like.

Seriously though, has no fan-translator picked this up yet? I really want to read this.

[Laura De farnese]

no eng translation ;-;

[Roxanne]

This LN doesn't have illustrations?

[DragonOsman]

no eng translation ;-;

That's not good. I really hope someone picks this up soon.

[hyddty]

This LN doesn't have illustrations?

Yes it does but I only got from 1 to 6. Cant find the kissing scene between the two in the 4th unfortunately

http://q.dmzj.com/img/574/24/3425b1d6ffd0b5f44f344fe92f925063.jpg

[Enternal]

Yes it does but I only got from 1 to 6. Cant find the kissing scene between the two in the 4th unfortunately

http://q.dmzj.com/img/574/24/3425b1d6ffd0b5f44f344fe92f925063.jpg

Very cute! I looked through the images for that volume too but they did not illustrate the kiss apparently. But wow, lol, the comment section on Random Curiosity. Some are trolling and another was saying that in vol 4, Siluca had sex with Marrine, the bride. Lol. :uhoh:

[maton456full]

Actually they say that Siluca had sex with Theo in Volume 4. Im reading Volume 2 , Is good for now .

[Enternal]

Actually they say that Siluca had sex with Theo in Volume 4. Im reading Volume 2 , Is good for now .
That's the thing. One person said she did it with Theo, the next person said she did it with Marinne, the bride, and then this one other person implied she did it with Marinne's groom. The person who actually read it said she only kissed Theo and held his hands, which you do see in an illustration. That was it. :heh:

[larethian]

I started reading this.

[thefreakmike]

So to anyone who reads the LN, how big are the chances for the anime to adapt all the way to vol 4? Is it a good stopping point for the anime or not?

[ozman]

Novel has 9 volume in japan.not eight.
I have the link of amazon japan.so didn t post here
Because of the policy

[RDNexus]

Normally, an Anime Official Site has a Books Section, where one can check the Novels, Mangas, etc, already released.
But, curiously enough, this one doesn't have such a section. Still, there's the link at the bottom to the Novels Page.

[wuhugm]

That's the thing. One person said she did it with Theo, the next person said she did it with Marinne, the bride, and then this one other person implied she did it with Marinne's groom. The person who actually read it said she only kissed Theo and held his hands, which you do see in an illustration. That was it. :heh:

Wat? Troll's lair?

[LKK]

Novel has 9 volume in japan.not eight.
I have the link of amazon japan.so didn t post here
Because of the policy
Links to Amazon Japan are allowed here if it's AnimeSuki's policy you're referring to.

[ozman]

Light novel 9
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/4040708873/ref=pd_aw_sim_14_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3WVXZ9H9H8ANM562TC0Z

@thanks lkk .

[Olengie]

Looking forward to seeing Theo collecting all the Crests. lol

[DragonOsman]

Since no translators are picking this up, anyone reading this care to provide summaries?

[larethian]

Finished v1. Good enough for me to continue to v2. Since it is on offer right now at 300 yen per ebook until v8, I decided to buy until v8.

There are however various problems, or things I dislike, largely stemming from Mizuno's writing style. While I've watched Lodoss War before from the perspective of a D&D TRPG player myself (active from 1991 till 2004), this is the first Mizuno LN series I'm reading, so I sort of entered blind.

As a TRPG game setting, the lore and world setting of Grancrest is sort of interesting with the huge number of sub-classes, though I haven't delved into any of the game books yet. :heh:
So I guess the slight pre-knowledge and research of the background helps me get into the series.


The bads:
First of all, Theo is ultra bland. For someone who has the main hero potential based on chapter 1, described as a person who resembles the First Lord, with righteous and noble ideals in the current state of Chaos where Lords have all but forgotten the original purpose of their Crests, the build-up seems to be building him up to ultimately be at the level of the First Lord and attaining Grancrest in the final part of the series (however long it takes), BUT he IS actually a freaking MOB character in volume 1. :heh:

Except in chapter 1, he literally appears in the rest of the volume as a mob character., has few lines, just follows along, and does literally nothing (ok, he did do some work with regards to the salamander incident). Silica is actually the main character. While there is nothing wrong, it just feels weird reading it in that manner after all that has happened in chapter 1. Imagine you are reading the exploits of Liu Bei and the main character is Zhuge Liang and everything is told from his perspective. Or you are reading the story of Hanbei, and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi are mob characters. That's how it is for Grancrest volume 1. Well, Silica is really like the main character and it's not a bad thing, but her admiration for Theo's ideals plainly turning into a crush so early at this stage is somewhat inexplicable to me. The fact that Theo has hardly any development makes this worse.

Mizuno says in afterword this is a multi-protagonist sort of story, and I would have to wait and see before making further judgment on this. :heh:

Other than that, some of the resolutions I find it hard to buy into but it's not bad enough for me to throw up. As a Senki, it is at a decent level for enjoyment, but don't expect it to be filled with complex warring tactics and political maneuvers (while there are such stuff, they aren't really mind-blowing and I can't connect and empathize with all the developments) :heh:

The goods:
That said, there are some pluses. Some of the side characters are pretty interesting enough for me to want to know more about them, more so than Theo :heh:

Silica failing her first major negotiation when she thought would succeed was a good development, thanks to Abestos who we would all become infuriated with :heh:. The final standoff was exciting enough. And the subsequent failings of Silica in her bargain for surrendering again, because she went overboard in allowing Rashak to kill the fucker lord whose name I can't attempt to misspell because I forgot and end up decimating the famous knight or mercenary battalion/squad. All these are actually good developments to show how noob she is despite her talents and genius. And the supposedly pervy lord Virahr is not what he seemed to be. I was definitely surprised when his army came. Count me also surprised when I learned that expecting Silica to reject becoming his mage was also part of his plan.

All in all, 7/10 for volume 1.

[RDNexus]

Excuse me for asking this...did anyone from the main group die in v01?

[larethian]

Who do you consider main group? :heh:
No one with a name on Theo's side died :heh:

[RDNexus]

That's all I needed to know.
Wait! What about betrayals?

[Tenzen12]

Finished v1. Good enough for me to continue to v2. Since it is on offer right now at 300 yen per ebook until v8, I decided to buy until v8.

There are however various problems, or things I dislike, largely stemming from Mizuno's writing style. While I've watched Lodoss War before from the perspective of a D&D TRPG player myself (active from 1991 till 2004), this is the first Mizuno LN series I'm reading, so I sort of entered blind.

As a TRPG game setting, the lore and world setting of Grancrest is sort of interesting with the huge number of sub-classes, though I haven't delved into any of the game books yet. :heh:
So I guess the slight pre-knowledge and research of the background helps me get into the series.


The bads:
First of all, Theo is ultra bland. For someone who has the main hero potential based on chapter 1, described as a person who resembles the First Lord, with righteous and noble ideals in the current state of Chaos where Lords have all but forgotten the original purpose of their Crests, the build-up seems to be building him up to ultimately be at the level of the First Lord and attaining Grancrest in the final part of the series (however long it takes), BUT he IS actually a freaking MOB character in volume 1. :heh:

Except in chapter 1, he literally appears in the rest of the volume as a mob character., has few lines, just follows along, and does literally nothing (ok, he did do some work with regards to the salamander incident). Silica is actually the main character. While there is nothing wrong, it just feels weird reading it in that manner after all that has happened in chapter 1. Imagine you are reading the exploits of Liu Bei and the main character is Zhuge Liang and everything is told from his perspective. Or you are reading the story of Hanbei, and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi are mob characters. That's how it is for Grancrest volume 1. Well, Silica is really like the main character and it's not a bad thing, but her admiration for Theo's ideals plainly turning into a crush so early at this stage is somewhat inexplicable to me. The fact that Theo has hardly any development makes this worse.

Mizuno says in afterword this is a multi-protagonist sort of story, and I would have to wait and see before making further judgment on this. :heh:

Other than that, some of the resolutions I find it hard to buy into but it's not bad enough for me to throw up. As a Senki, it is at a decent level for enjoyment, but don't expect it to be filled with complex warring tactics and political maneuvers (while there are such stuff, they aren't really mind-blowing and I can't connect and empathize with all the developments) :heh:

The goods:
That said, there are some pluses. Some of the side characters are pretty interesting enough for me to want to know more about them, more so than Theo :heh:

Silica failing her first major negotiation when she thought would succeed was a good development, thanks to Abestos who we would all become infuriated with :heh:. The final standoff was exciting enough. And the subsequent failings of Silica in her bargain for surrendering again, because she went overboard in allowing Rashak to kill the fucker lord whose name I can't attempt to misspell because I forgot and end up decimating the famous knight or mercenary battalion/squad. All these are actually good developments to show how noob she is despite her talents and genius. And the supposedly pervy lord Virahr is not what he seemed to be. I was definitely surprised when his army came.

All in all, 7/10 for volume 1.


I didn't read novel (it isn't translated, right?), but as I said before I myself consider Siluca to be main character and Theo to more of heroine. So I am certainly reading story of Zhuge Liang ,(though she is much cuter than Waver Velvet...).

[larethian]

I didn't read novel (it isn't translated, right?), but as I said before I myself consider Siluca to be main character and Theo to more of heroine. So I am certainly reading story of Zhuge Liang ,(though she is much cuter than Waver Velvet...).

The thing is, even heroines stand out somewhat in most stories, but in volume 1 of Grancrest, Theo is just a mob with hardly any presence for the second half of the volume, where more important things are happening :heh:

Maybe this will change, or the depiction in the anime will be slightly different.

That's all I needed to know.
Wait! What about betrayals?
Volume 1? Not really. And you won't really count the fight against Marrine and Abesto (Siluca's foster father) a betrayal really.

[dragon1412]

as a follower of LN I can said that
Virahr is actually a pretty nice guy.

[larethian]

Kumagai (Theo's VA) favorite male character = Aubesto, favorite female = Margaret.
Kitou (Siluca's VA) favorite male character = Vilar

[DragonOsman]

So Theo isn't even any good as the main character? Just great. :heh:

[dragon1412]

nah, I like Theo myself, rather than say he is bland, I'd say more that most of the time his subordinates are a better choice to the problem. So Theo is having less screentime

[RDNexus]

People sure want all characters to be relevant from the get-go.
I'm the kind that, if they're to have more relevance down the line, let them be the way they are.

[larethian]

Vilar is like super popular. Not to mention Artok is the most interesting region.

[kram0829]

I hope a light novel reader can share some light im so curious about this 1 xD

so i just check the raws of the manga but i can't read it but at the end of chapter 19 manga it shows that aishela got pierce by something when they are being attack by marrine so my question is for light novel readers is aishela still alive there??and what gonna happen with them being attack by marrin(since she is the leader of the alliance)
and all?i want some spoilers from the light novel if anyone kind enough and can read japanese hope someone shares summary of each light novel since its hard to find in the internet thanks

[larethian]

I hope a light novel reader can share some light im so curious about this 1 xD

so i just check the raws of the manga but i can't read it but at the end of chapter 19 manga it shows that aishela got pierce by something when they are being attack by marrine so my question is for light novel readers is aishela still alive there??and what gonna happen with them being attack by marrin(since she is the leader of the alliance)
and all?i want some spoilers from the light novel if anyone kind enough and can read japanese hope someone shares summary of each light novel since its hard to find in the internet thanks

That's still in LN v1 right? The context is they are under siege from the Sevis Lord after negotiation to ally with Marrine failed right (thanks to Aubesto, Siluca's foster father)?
She's alive as Priscilla healed her.

[kram0829]

That's still in LN v1 right? The context is they are under siege from the Sevis Lord after negotiation to ally with Marrine failed right (thanks to Aubesto, Siluca's foster father)?
She's alive as Priscilla healed her.

Oh dang so it was because of aubesto thats why the negotiation failed :( i didn't understand japansese so i didn't know..so it was still volume 1 in LN..its kinda weird that a lot in the manga was not included in the anime..but is the one shown in the anime the one in the light novel and the manga is just trying to widen the perspective??or the anime just really skip those details?

as i read the translated manga

I think she likes siluca so will there be a time they will be ally??and the lust lord what is his real faction im confused

and im a little confused since in anime it says they are surrounded by union while in manga it says they are surrounded by alliance..so which is which xD

[larethian]

Firstly, just putting this up front, because there's too much katakana, there are a lot of names that I can't remember perfectly in just one volume except for those that sound like English, so my romanization keeps changing until I get used to the names in a few more volumes. Also, sometimes I get confused between the regions and lord names but I'm starting to get used to it as I'm reading volume 2. :heh:

Oh dang so it was because of aubesto thats why the negotiation failed :( i didn't understand japansese so i didn't know..so it was still volume 1 in LN..its kinda weird that a lot in the manga was not included in the anime..but is the one shown in the anime the one in the light novel and the manga is just trying to widen the perspective??or the anime just really skip those details?

as i read the translated manga

I think she likes siluca so will there be a time they will be ally??and the lust lord what is his real faction im confused

and im a little confused since in anime it says they are surrounded by union while in manga it says they are surrounded by alliance..so which is which xD
Marrine is grateful to Siluca for saving her. In fact, because of that, she took Aubest in as her main contracted mage and advisor. She however can be swayed by emotions so she would listen to Aubest. While Aubest loves both his adopted daughters Siluca and Aishera, he believes in logic and separates his emotions from logic and acts in the best interest of Marrine first and foremost. He advised Marrine to reject the alliance with Theo because it's not advantageous to her.

The factions and politics can be confusing, I'm still digesting it myself. As for Vilar, he is the cousin of Marinne, so technically they are of the same faction, but I don't think he's a vassal of Marrine like how Rushick has become that of THeo in episode 2.


The two main factions are "Factory Alliance" and "Fantasia Union". They are furigana readings (ruby text) and the actual words respectively are 大工房同盟 and 幻想詩連合.
So the alliance is referred to as 同盟(dou-mei) and the union is referred to as 連合(ren-gou).

In the anime 連合 is translated to alliance while 同盟 is translated to federation. The translator has no idea about the ruby texts and chose as such, I think. Though even so, I felt it was a bad choice since 同盟 is usually translated to alliance...

So the manga is more 'correct' than the anime. If you are watching subs, you have to live with the reverse translation of the anime.

[kram0829]

Firstly, just putting this up front, because there's too much katakana, there are a lot of names that I can't remember perfectly in just one volume except for those that sound like English, so my romanization keeps changing until I get used to the names in a few more volumes. Also, sometimes I get confused between the regions and lord names but I'm starting to get used to it as I'm reading volume 2. :heh:


Marrine is grateful to Siluca for saving her. In fact, because of that, she took Aubest in as her main contracted mage and advisor. She however can be swayed by emotions so she would listen to Aubest. While Aubest loves both his adopted daughters Siluca and Aishera, he believes in logic and separates his emotions from logic and acts in the best interest of Marrine first and foremost. He advised Marrine to reject the alliance with Theo because it's not advantageous to her.

The factions and politics can be confusing, I'm still digesting it myself. As for Vilar, he is the cousin of Marinne, so technically they are of the same faction, but I don't think he's a vassal of Marrine like how Rushick has become that of THeo in episode 2.


The two main factions are "Factory Alliance" and "Fantasia Union". They are furigana readings (ruby text) and the actual words respectively are 大工房同盟 and 幻想詩連合.
So the alliance is referred to as 同盟(dou-mei) and the union is referred to as 連合(ren-gou).

In the anime 連合 is translated to alliance while 同盟 is translated to federation. The translator has no idea about the ruby texts and chose as such, I think. Though even so, I felt it was a bad choice since 同盟 is usually translated to alliance...

So the manga is more 'correct' than the anime. If you are watching subs, you have to live with the reverse translation of the anime.

oh no wonder i got confuse after watching the anime and reading the manga..

since vilar is the cousin of marrine then he is the one whose gonna stop the attack of marrine to siluca..but i just don't understand why did she attack siluca in the 1st place was that because of that king of sevis??

also i noticed the phasing in anime was too fast kinda a lot from the manga was removed especially the villager and the salamander incident which i think has a significant role for the title of episode 3 in the anime.

[larethian]

Right now I don't want to spend too much time on the forums. The answers you are looking for will show up in just 2 episodes. If it's not clear I will explain then :heh:

[Ratedhook522]

Somebody, please can anybody spoil how they get out of the predicament their facing in chapter 19? Unless help comes their pretty much screwed aren’t they

[Panzercracker]

I hope a light novel reader can share some light im so curious about this 1 xD

so i just check the raws of the manga but i can't read it but at the end of chapter 19 manga it shows that aishela got pierce by something when they are being attack by marrine so my question is for light novel readers is aishela still alive there??and what gonna happen with them being attack by marrin(since she is the leader of the alliance)
and all?i want some spoilers from the light novel if anyone kind enough and can read japanese hope someone shares summary of each light novel since its hard to find in the internet thanks

Can you at least capitalize first word of the characters's names? It is hard to read their names among words : ).

[larethian]

Somebody, please can anybody spoil how they get out of the predicament their facing in chapter 19? Unless help comes their pretty much screwed aren’t they

The supposedly 'pervy' lord, Vilar, saved them.



Also, went to look at the map again, apparently Vilar is part of the Union while Marrine is leading the Alliance. No wonder I have some confusion here and there. :heh:
I'm not exactly sure how the two factions work other than each is a sort of alliance. If the information was in first part of volume 1, it failed to enter my mind, pretty normal for me for any new series I'm reading. :heh:

At any rate, Vilar is the 'elder' cousin of Marrine. His mother is the elder sister of Marrine's father.

[Tenzen12]

Well Theo land belong to union too, so Vilar aiding them kinda make sense, even if it is one huge farce from very beginning and everyone else know it :heh:

Well I guess Siluca has no choice but join Union for real now.

[faiz blaster]

One thing that I still don’t get is who the “big bad” of this series is supposed to be? I mean, all major characters seem to have their own definition of “justice” (all of which are valid, by the way) and seem to be just acting on it.

[Panzercracker]

One thing that I still don’t get is who the “big bad” of this series is supposed to be? I mean, all major characters seem to have their own definition of “justice” (all of which are valid, by the way) and seem to be just acting on it.

I don't think there are really "big bad" character, and it's actually boring if there are a big bad character.

[ahuei123456]

For those interested in some more background over the world of Grancrest, the first rulebook for the Tabletop RPG is actually translated here (https://ontlogy.wordpress.com/2014/12/16/fantranslated-japanese-tabletop-rpgs-grancrest/). It has some nice background info, such as how the world came to this point, as well as detailed explanations of the mechanics of Chaos and relationships between some of the side characters which might(?) be spoilers for future LN volumes.

As a bonus, it also includes the LN prologue translated.

[larethian]

One thing that I still don’t get is who the “big bad” of this series is supposed to be? I mean, all major characters seem to have their own definition of “justice” (all of which are valid, by the way) and seem to be just acting on it.

The current big bad (as far I've read --> almost done with v2) is the Demonlord. How she came to be is part of the lore related to the chaos surge. It's outlined in v2 beginning.

The factions came about because Lords, forgetting the original purpose of their Crest (subverting Chaos), or rather in the name of achieving the ultimate Grancrest to resolve the Chaos problem (by merging/absorbing crests of others), are embroiled in expanding their domain, war, etc.

For those interested in some more background over the world of Grancrest, the first rulebook for the Tabletop RPG is actually translated here (https://ontlogy.wordpress.com/2014/12/16/fantranslated-japanese-tabletop-rpgs-grancrest/). It has some nice background info, such as how the world came to this point, as well as detailed explanations of the mechanics of Chaos and relationships between some of the side characters which might(?) be spoilers for future LN volumes.

As a bonus, it also includes the LN prologue translated.
Nice, I've only gotten bits and pieces from the JP wiki, somewhat vague. Might buy the books too but I no longer TRPG. I'll bite when a mobage or PC game available on steam is released.

[Ramero]

The thing is Marrine may have to see Theo by herself to see how he's doing as a Lord. We know that Theo is the best Lord since he's very close to the people and that by itself, many people even gathered to lend their strength to Theo, something that no Lord can ever done such feat before.

Still, i'm more interested to see how Marrine will change her view towards Theo and perhaps establishing alliance after she witness the villagers are willing to take up arms to protect Theo.

[DarkDooM]

According to legend, during the Age of Ultimate Chaos projections called
Athena and Thor appeared and fought to protect humanity.

This sounds extremely interesting. I wonder if we'll see such heroes in future volumes.

[larethian]

Absolutely disappointed by how V2 ended or rather, how certain things are resolved to end it.

The setting itself of V2 is absolutely great. By setting, I'm referring to the lore of the world, the classes, the motivations of various antagonists. In fact the antagonists were more interesting than the heroes. It also focuses more on high fantasy element than warring element in V2.

There was definitely one very tense moment for me during the first encounter between Silica and Vampire King Demitrie as their interactions unfold the true motivation of Demitrie.

Theo was again pathetic and he realized it himself.
The worst part of V2 was it wasn't well explained how and why Demitrie left the final fight after getting a few hits from the two werewolf pubs. I don't get the abrupt transitions in that fight and before I knew it, he left, leaving his beloved Adelt down there in his castle. Inexplicable huh wtf??

I can imagine anime viewers flame coming in when we reach the climax of V2.

[dragon1412]

Absolutely disappointed by how V2 ended or rather, how certain things are resolved to end it.

The setting itself of V2 is absolutely great. By setting, I'm referring to the lore of the world, the classes, the motivations of various antagonists. In fact the antagonists were more interesting than the heroes. It also focuses more on high fantasy element than warring element in V2.

There was definitely one very tense moment for me during the first encounter between Silica and Vampire King Demitrie as their interactions unfold the true motivation of Demitrie.

Theo was again pathetic and he realized it himself.
The worst part of V2 was it wasn't well explained how and why Demitrie left the final fight after getting a few hits from the two werewolf pubs. I don't get the abrupt transitions in that fight and before I knew it, he left, leaving his beloved Adelt down there in his castle. Inexplicable huh wtf??

I can imagine anime viewers flame coming in when we reach the climax of V2.


I'd recommended reading the guidebook for game really, the lore over it and the all the factions is described much better and more thoroughly

[larethian]

I already read the guidebook after reading v1 and looked through it again. It didn't tell me what I already knew, it didn't give more info on Demitrie and Adlet beyond V2 (did it?), nor did it help me comprehend how the outcome of the final fight came to be. Whatever surprising move the twins could throw out, I can't be convinced that managed to make Demitrie 'suffer' and leave on just a page of words and abrupt transition. In the end, mizuno did mention he wasn't really experienced in action scenes and his depictions were far from pretty.

[faiz blaster]

I don't think there are really "big bad" character, and it's actually boring if there are a big bad character.

Maybe you're right, but that also makes it hard to see where exactly this story is supposed to be heading to...

[RDNexus]

So, for those following the LNs, how's the adaptation faring so far?

[larethian]

First 2 episodes were fine. 3rd episode was really too condensed. Pretty sure Theo interacted much longer with Siluca and the last part would definitely generate some misunderstanding for viewers on the relationship between Siluca and Aubest

[dragon1412]

I already read the guidebook after reading v1 and looked through it again. It didn't tell me what I already knew, it didn't give more info on Demitrie and Adlet beyond V2 (did it?), nor did it help me comprehend how the outcome of the final fight came to be. Whatever surprising move the twins could throw out, I can't be convinced that managed to make Demitrie 'suffer' and leave on just a page of words and abrupt transition. In the end, mizuno did mention he wasn't really experienced in action scenes and his depictions were far from pretty.

nah, I was not talking about him, but the general of the factions and their relationship, the guidebook made it much more clear the point and goal of each faction over each others, while the novel only elude it

[zztop]

I already read the guidebook after reading v1 and looked through it again. It didn't tell me what I already knew, it didn't give more info on Demitrie and Adlet beyond V2 (did it?), nor did it help me comprehend how the outcome of the final fight came to be. Whatever surprising move the twins could throw out, I can't be convinced that managed to make Demitrie 'suffer' and leave on just a page of words and abrupt transition. In the end, mizuno did mention he wasn't really experienced in action scenes and his depictions were far from pretty.

Who is Adlet? Dimitri's girlfriend?

[larethian]

Sorry, it's Adele. Short version: She's a Lord who inherited the first Lord's will and defeated the super Demonlord in ancient times. She was allured by the demonlord powers and it also seemed like the Chaos energy was too much for her Crest (need to check this) and she became a Demonlord herself from absorbing the Chaos energy. She then put herself to sleep.

[larethian]

I had a great time reading volume 3. And it looks like I will have great time reading volume 4 too after doing about 100+ pages. What's so great? Character development and fleshing. Milzar is a pretty interesting guy even though I still don't like him, we see more of Vliar and Magaret as well. Alexis, and Marrine. There's even a side story about their romance. How Theo turned the lord of a castle was decent too. And really understand more what the factions are about. The people who were missing in action in volume 3 were Priscilla and Aishela since they didn't participate in the expedition.

And then, Theo and Siluca did it in volume 4!
I meant kiss :heh:

[readher]

And then, Theo and Siluca did it in volume 4!
I meant kiss :heh:

That makes me really happy considering anime should cover that. I can't remember when was the last time I liked a female character so much not only as a waifu, but as a character overall. Siluca is truly awesome. Hopefully someone licenses the LN. We got Lodoss recently, so I think chances of this being picked up are fairly high.

[Shinji103]

And then, Theo and Siluca did it in volume 4!
I meant kiss :heh:The question is, is this a situational thing, a one-sided thing, or is this coming from actual feelings for each other?

[larethian]

Mutual thing. A situation helped them confess.

[Ratedhook522]

Whats the mutual thing? What happens to the leader of the Union, Alexis, is he still alive?

[larethian]

I don't know whether Alexis and Marrine are alive or not because I'm not caught up to the latest. I doubt they will have good ends though given what will happen to Marrine in the next or next 2 episodes. Siluca and Theo thing happening next episode. Can see from the preview images from the official site.

[hyddty]

Vol 10 is the end :(

[larethian]

Well, already longer than Lodoss war :heh:

[dragon1412]

Vol 10 is the end :(

Not surprising, the books settings only allowed for so much conflict afterall

[StrikerFX]

Vol 10 is the end :(

Where did you find this information?

[zztop]

Where did you find this information?

hyddty is likely working of this info on Kadokawa's website.
https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/321711001090/

The site's promoting the release of Vol 10 of Grancrest Senki this March 20, 2018.

グランクレスト戦記 10　始祖皇帝テオ
発売日：2018年03月20日

皇帝聖印誕生へ、最後の決戦！　混沌の世のゆく末は!?
条約、連合、同盟の和睦が成立し皇帝になったテオ。しかし暗躍していた魔法師協会のパンドラが牙を剥き、最 終決戦が始まる。世に混沌を望むパンドラの真意とは？　そしてテオとシルーカが手にする未来と は!?


If Google Translate's correct, the plot will be about the final battle with the forces of Chaos, Theo as Emperor (of the GranCrest) and Siluca and Theo's future.

If Vol 10 truly is The End, it's possible the anime could fully adapt the entire LN.

[zezegui222]

I'm thinking the same after you guys talked about it. If volume 10 is the end, this could be the reason the anime is being extremely rushed

[hyddty]

Wished they illustrate that kiss scene in volume 4, what shame its only a anime thing when it was a special moment. Wished Vol 10 wasnt the end but most likely from the sypnosis :( Finger crossed

[Kadmos1]

I just finished watching the latest anime episode. Theo confessed his love to Siluca but she should have done the same. It should have been that ship that got the sex scene at the end. For those following the LN, does Siluca confess to Theo? By this, I mean the Japanese line would a near literal translation of "I like you", "I love you", or "I'm in love with you". Also, do Theo and Siluca get any love scenes?

[MacacoLendario]

I felt sorry for the prince at the end of the EP
He just wanted peace but he received a horn

[RDNexus]

This week's episode sure left me a foul taste in my mouth, it even managed to wash away the beauty of Theo & Siluca's moment.
I may usually say I don't give a damn to shippings, but these moments are the rare exception where I can actually say "I feel bad that ship sailed" :upset:

[larethian]

I just finished watching the latest anime episode. Theo confessed his love to Siluca but she should have done the same. It should have been that ship that got the sex scene at the end. For those following the LN, does Siluca confess to Theo? By this, I mean the Japanese line would a near literal translation of "I like you", "I love you", or "I'm in love with you". Also, do Theo and Siluca get any love scenes?

They didn't get a sex scene in the cave lol. In the story, they were actually trapped by an illusion. So after the kiss, it made Siluca realize some things and dispel the illusion. Then they got out of the cave and went home happily :heh:

However, it was mentioned at a later point that the couple would do what lovers do whenever they managed to be alone. We really don't know whether they have any sex or not. It's more like the author left it up to the readers' imagination and let them take it however they like from that sentence. :heh:

The confession scene was pretty much the same as the anime. Most of the lines more or less. The situation was not exactly the same though.

[Wingsaber]

So what is the status Alexis n Marrine? Do they end up fighting?
I'm guessing Alexis forgives her in the end.

[Iroha Isshiki]

So what is the status Alexis n Marrine? Do they end up fighting?
I'm guessing Alexis forgives her in the end.

Arabian guy took Marrine 1st, kekkekek. But dont worry, Alexis and Marrine still got married. And Theo killed the Arabian guy after getting stronger.

[Enternal]

Arabian guy took Marrine 1st, kekkekek. But dont worry, Alexis and Marrine still got married. And Theo killed the Arabian guy after getting stronger.

I'm not suppose to tell this info but the spoiler guy in facebook did it so might as well do it. Kekekek

If you don't mind, could you PM me that facebook post? But yeah, I'm glad that Alexis and her reconcile. The Arabian guy annoyed me from the moment he fought Theo. So I'm also quite curious as to what his thoughts were in his final moments.

I'm guessing Alexis forgives her in the end.
Of course he would. He's that type of person, lol. That being said, what she did was not exactly the best choice. But it's not for a malicious purpose. So I'm totally OK that Alexis is fine with it and willing to forgive her once they reconcile. Although, the consequences of this choice that she had made will probably be a part of her sense of guilt towards Alexis for the rest of her life.

[AB079]

^Based on spoilers, she never told Alexis about turning into the BLACKED Princess. Ofc needs confirmation.

[Iroha Isshiki]

^she's a thot so probably she didn't tell Alexis, though the latter will know it sooner.

[devilo96]

I don't know whether Alexis and Marrine are alive or not because I'm not caught up to the latest. I doubt they will have good ends though given what will happen to Marrine in the next or next 2 episodes. Siluca and Theo thing happening next episode. Can see from the preview images from the official site.


What will happend to thot..in the next 2 eps?

Heh..the spoiler guy...let me guess is that latif lol

[Knight-A]

They didn't get a sex scene in the cave lol. In the story, they were actually trapped by an illusion. So after the kiss, it made Siluca realize some things and dispel the illusion. Then they got out of the cave and went home happily :heh:

However, it was mentioned at a later point that the couple would do what lovers do whenever they managed to be alone. We really don't know whether they have any sex or not. It's more like the author left it up to the readers' imagination and let them take it however they like from that sentence. :heh:

The confession scene was pretty much the same as the anime. Most of the lines more or less. The situation was not exactly the same though.
so now to wait for the manga to see the actual moment well adapted, damn it.

[Wipe]

How old Theo is? around 16-18 right?

[AB079]

^she's a thot so probably she didn't tell Alexis, though the latter will know it sooner.

Remember that is just a spoiler, so take it with a grain of salt.

Basically Marinne cucked Alexis for nothing, why? because the Arab lost against Theo. The arab guy was hated by everyone under his command for being a traitor, meanwhile Theo managed to get an army big enough to deal with him.
Theo managed to defeat the Arab in a 1v1 mainly because he got stronger and because of his fighting style, then he killed the Arab and that's it.
Another piece of spoiler said that Marinne and Alexis got married in the end and she never told him about giving away her virginity and cheating on him. On the other hand Theo became the first emperor and Silluca is his queen.

[0rphen]

Remember that is just a spoiler, so take it with a grain of salt.

Basically Marinne cucked Alexis for nothing, why? because the Arab lost against Theo.
Another piece of spoiler said that Marinne and Alexis got married in the end and she never told him about giving away her virginity and cheating on him.

ok that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth did she even confess about the chemical warfare attack that she ordered?

[StrikerFX]

^Based on spoilers, she never told Alexis about turning into the BLACKED Princess. Ofc needs confirmation.

Anyone already have an official confirmation about this part? Does she really tell the truth or not to the alexis about having given her virginity to the milza?

[amtro]

Alexis is a total doormat, he deserves it.

[Iroha Isshiki]

Remember that is just a spoiler, so take it with a grain of salt.

Basically Marinne cucked Alexis for nothing, why? because the Arab lost against Theo. The arab guy was hated by everyone under his command for being a traitor, meanwhile Theo managed to get an army big enough to deal with him.
Theo managed to defeat the Arab in a 1v1 mainly because he got stronger and because of his fighting style, then he killed the Arab and that's it.
Another piece of spoiler said that Marinne and Alexis got married in the end and she never told him about giving away her virginity and cheating on him. On the other hand Theo became the first emperor and Silluca is his queen.

That is why part of me hates this series and the author who created Marrine that way.
Marrine is an idiot, coward with no determination to stand for herself. She is a inept leader. She has now thrown away her love, peace for the continent, her honor, her self respect, and her virginity for a pointless war that noone wants and what she says it is for could been accomplished far easier without thousands dying and her having do all that if she had just married the person she loved and that everyone wanted her to marry in the first place.

And the crazy part here is she still got her happy ending. It just left a bad taste in my mouth. It's better if she just die to redeem herself for her sins.

[Lexxus]

What happened on episode 9 is a one time thing? Or she became pretty much his toy?

[kampfer91]

I was hoping that Arab guy tries to make a move on Siluca just to be beaten up by Theo .:heh:

[Miso]

What happened on episode 9 is a one time thing? Or she became pretty much his toy?

It is a one time thing

[Lexxus]

It is a one time thing
Well, that was surprising. I thought it was just the first of many things to happen. Guess not.

[Soulwarfare42]

Remember that is just a spoiler, so take it with a grain of salt.

Basically Marinne cucked Alexis for nothing, why? because the Arab lost against Theo. The arab guy was hated by everyone under his command for being a traitor, meanwhile Theo managed to get an army big enough to deal with him.
Theo managed to defeat the Arab in a 1v1 mainly because he got stronger and because of his fighting style, then he killed the Arab and that's it.
Another piece of spoiler said that Marinne and Alexis got married in the end and she never told him about giving away her virginity and cheating on him. On the other hand Theo became the first emperor and Silluca is his queen.

Seriously?

Marrine suffered no consequences for being a THOT!

I am glad Arab guy died but I can't believe even Marrine got a bloody happy ending for being just a biatch throughout the whole series

[JWU0826]

I pity Alexis who is so devoted to her.

By the way, can someone give me the plot of everything that has happened from the novel from 1-9?

[SamVision]

And the crazy part here is she still got her happy ending.
Marrine suffered no consequences for being a THOT!
I pity Alexis who is so devoted to her.
I've seen this occur before in other narrative works. A character does something heinous or selfish, and everything turning out fine for them in the end. This is the result of the author liking a character too much. The most famous example I can think of is Sasuke from Naruto, who stuck around way longer than his character arc permitted him to just because Kishimoto liked him so much.

[Endscape]

I've seen this occur before in other narrative works. A character does something heinous or selfish, and everything turning out fine for them in the end. This is the result of the author liking a character too much.

What's really amazing is that no one cares that Marrine just committed a war crime, they hate her because she had sex.

The most famous example I can think of is Sasuke from Naruto, who stuck around way longer than his character arc permitted him to just because Kishimoto liked him so much.

...You realize that the most important part of Sasuke's character arc was his relationship with Naruto, right?

[SamVision]

...You realize that the most important part of Sasuke's character arc was his relationship with Naruto, right?
Really? Could have fooled me, but that's a separate topic.

[Yye1]

So, is this series done for the LN?

[Ratedhook522]

Let me guess, the earl dies after castle unicorn falls right?

[larethian]

if you are talking about Villar,
Yeah he died. Together with Lassic and consolidating the rest of Villar's allied lords, Theo gave rise to a third force not part of the Alliance nor Union, but before that, he has to prove himself to those who don't agree to him being the leader, and Sistina takeback arc starts.

Most powerful scene for me is Laura asking Helga for poison by not spelling it out directly, and Villar and Marrine hugged as cousins and he purposely went out so that she's the one who would receive his Crest and no one else.

[StrikerFX]

A question about villar:

I read some comments that they have sex, is this true?

[Senra]

For me a question about Irvin, he has no more role in the anime, so i wanted to know if we will see him more, in action and maybe close with a character (not just as a butler).

[larethian]

A question about villar:

I read some comments that they have sex, is this true?

No way :heh:

For me a question about Irvin, he has no more role in the anime, so i wanted to know if we will see him more, in action and maybe close with a character (not just as a butler).
Irvin together with the twins and Aishela and Priscilla will follow Theo and Siluca to Sistina in the upcoming arc. I have not read beyond that though. But the Shadows that served Kriesche are kind of eccentric (I'm not sure whether it's the same for others) in that they are most happy if their masters worked them hard. They are focused in serving their masters well that I doubt they have any space in their minds for any other thing :heh: Incidentally, the two lady attendants beside Marrine are also Shadows. Layla was the one sent to gather intel on the missing Valdrind knights in volume 2. Of course, all this already cut out from the anime.


edit:
didn't want to double post, but just want to mention that Laura is alive since Helga gave her fake poison.

[Werter]

Oh, if not hard, can anyone spoil - will Lassic survives or not. Tyvm.

[Knight-A]

I think someone already mentioned Lassic future in the spoilers tags

[kampfer91]

So the remain of Union join Theo ?

[Ratedhook522]

Is it just me or was this latest episode the saddest of them all. I literally can’t wait for Theo to kill that traitorous bastard.

[n0m@n]

So the final volume is coming out it in 4 more days huh. It already ended in Dragon Magazine two months ago though every time it gets compiled into a LN it adds new chapters so I'm looking forward to volume 10.

Original Grancrest which started on March Issue of Dragon Magazine 2013 and ended in January Issue of Dragon Magazine 2017.
https://i.imgur.com/5snmNq9.jpg

You would think that's the end of Grancrest. Not quite. Since Mizuno had started another series for it.
It's called Grancrest Dropout which started in the previous Dragon Magazine. The chapter started from the end of original Grancrest after....Theo became the first Emperor and had officially married Silca (they married at the same time together with Marrine and Alexis)
https://i.imgur.com/ASfbe3R.jpg
Anyways Silca starts to tell the story of the first lord Leon and his adventure with Titania. This series is about his story and Leon is the main character of this series (at least in the first chapter released). More images below.

https://i.imgur.com/Sc6zY57.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5kw0Ati.jpg

So we will be getting more Grancrest LN written by Mizuno from now as well.

[larethian]

Isn't Dragon Magazine doing short/side stories or new serialization promos only? When did that change?

[KikeLyne]

So the other 2 managed to get married. I thought it be bittersweet. Hope thats true unless the LN decides to alter it instead.

[n0m@n]

Isn't Dragon Magazine doing short/side stories or new serialization promos only? When did that change?

For other series its shorts stories + promos. Though for Grancrest it gave the main stories on Dragon Magazine since it started. When those main stories had enough stock it was compiled into a volume for the LN. Though the LN volumes had additional content/chapters which wasn't on Dragon Magazine. Though for the newer LN volumes like volume 8 and volume 9 half of it was from Dragon Magazine while the other half of the chapters were newly written for the LN. So the recent stories felt very rushed in the Dragon Magazine.

So the other 2 managed to get married. I thought it be bittersweet. Hope thats true unless the LN decides to alter it instead.

Alexis is a weirdo. He didn't feel betrayed or anything when she told him about Milza so it felt unreal. There was one line which described him getting shocked when she confessed about her one night stand with Milza but that didn't stop him from wanting her again. To put it simple he didnt care about her one night stand at all:heh: He was concerned if she had feelings for him but since she said she didnt the thing between her and Milza disapeared from his mind.

[kampfer91]

This novel was licensed by Yen press right ? Hard to find someone who translated it or give some summary .
And light novel really not sell much in SE asia region , because of moral reason .

[dragon1412]

Well, make sense, consider that it's a RPG originally.

[0rphen]

Alexis is a weirdo. He didn't feel betrayed or anything when she told him about Milza so it felt unreal. There was one line which described him getting shocked when she confessed about her one night stand with Milza but that didn't stop him from wanting her again. To put it simple he didnt care about her one night stand at all:heh: He was concerned if she had feelings for him but since she said she didnt the thing between her and Milza disapeared from his mind.

got to give her credit for doing that. did she also confess authorizing the use of chemical weapons on civilians/non combat personel?

[TatsuyaGod]

I don’t think Yen Press licensed. That’s what I thought but I may be wrong.

[Iroha Isshiki]

Alexis is a weirdo. He didn't feel betrayed or anything when she told him about Milza so it felt unreal. There was one line which described him getting shocked when she confessed about her one night stand with Milza but that didn't stop him from wanting her again. To put it simple he didnt care about her one night stand at all:heh: He was concerned if she had feelings for him but since she said she didnt the thing between her and Milza disapeared from his mind.

What can you expect from a trash lover. Kekekek. And she didnt pay for her crime of using chemical weapons. So lame. Let's just forget about Marrine and Alexis. Well, on the other hand. I'm glad Theo managed to achieve his dream, married Siluca and became the Emperor.

[dragon1412]

What can you expect from a trash lover. Kekekek. And she didnt pay for her crime of using chemical weapons. So lame. Let's just forget about Marrine and Alexis. Well, on the other hand. I'm glad Theo managed to achieve his dream, married Siluca and became the Emperor.

Don't even mentioned it, i actually reminded of the fact that her father try his hardest for peace, making peace towards Alexis's faction, and when she is in power, she literally when against every single thing her father strive his hardest for

[Lexxus]

After reading all of these spoilers, I feel sorry for the guy in the anime thread who really love the Arab dude.

[amtro]

Why would anyone like Milza? He's a piece of shit, same as Marrine, she too should've died.

[vietthai96]

I think people too harsh on Marrine though, give her a break :heh:, look like you guys want her end up as a prostitute somewhere in the world of Grancrest :heh:

So who is that Titania, is she a mage or a normal girl????

[RDNexus]

People nowadays seem uncapable of trying to understand how things were done in the past.

[zezegui222]

Nah, isn't this case. They just don't want to see a female character do what she do, they just want to see a pure girl, a pretty stupid thing (I'm talking about the anime viewers)

[G0rd0]

After reading all of these spoilers, I feel sorry for the guy in the anime thread who really love the Arab dude.

I think thats Erotora yeah he will be devastated

[Ultragunner]

I think people too harsh on Marrine though, give her a break :heh:, look like you guys want her end up as a prostitute somewhere in the world of Grancrest :heh:

So who is that Titania, is she a mage or a normal girl????
to be honest, I am not mad at her for doing “it”; in contrast, that actually makes her a bit more interesting.

However, it is indeed disappointing becaise in the end, that incident doesn’t surmount to anything, Villar’s death maybe? :heh:

[dragon1412]

to be honest, I am not mad at her for doing “it”; in contrast, that actually makes her a bit more interesting.

However, it is indeed disappointing becaise in the end, that incident doesn’t surmount to anything, Villar’s death maybe? :heh:

I'm actually more indifferent to her rather than mad actually, she seem more like NPC boss to me. The only things that irk me is how she literally tossing aside all of her father effort at peace/

[larethian]

The thing is she believes in her grandfather's vision and is following that instead. Also, there were a lot of factors that led her to believe that at the very least, she cannot make peace with Artuk, one due to the knights' obsession for revenge for their humiliation, two, due to waning influence and she didn't want to lose the empire and allegiances her grandfather built, three, take revenge for her grandfaher and aunt against the Constance family who betrayed them. It's for this reason why Villlar asked his brothers to change their last names before his demise, because Marrine would have to relentlessly pursue them to their graves otherwise. We also cannot forget her motivations after the tragedy. She was the one who convinced everyone to agree to her and Alexis's union after all. Anyway, I'm not sure which peace effort you were referring to, but the last I remembered, Matias and Sylvester were at each other's throats before the marriage thing :heh: Maybe I need to go back and check past volumes, or was it mentioned after volume 5?

[Noble101]

I really don't feel anything towards what marriane did because frankly she's not the heroine. But if she was and instead of Alexis it was Theo getting cucked, I would have been triggered. :D

[dragon1412]

The thing is she believes in her grandfather's vision and is following that instead. Also, there were a lot of factors that led her to believe that at the very least, she cannot make peace with Artuk, one due to the knights' obsession for revenge for their humiliation, two, due to waning influence and she didn't want to lose the empire and allegiances her grandfather built, three, take revenge for her grandfaher and aunt against the Constance family who betrayed them. It's for this reason why Villlar asked his brothers to change their last names before his demise, because Marrine would have to relentlessly pursue them to their graves otherwise. We also cannot forget her motivations after the tragedy. She was the one who convinced everyone to agree to her and Alexis's union after all. Anyway, I'm not sure which peace effort you were referring to, but the last I remembered, Matias and Sylvester were at each other's throats before the marriage thing :heh: Maybe I need to go back and check past volumes, or was it mentioned after volume 5?

Not so much as with efforts over a long time, but her father, well, the pair's father was willing to set aside their differences at the start, and 2 mans go out, side by side, facing the demon, only to have his daughter go against what he died for.

I actually kinda sympathize with her in the beginning of the story, i mean, the fact that both factions was against each other is in the settings, and knowing that her father died will definitely create a revolt in her faction, but after getting the clear occurences and the general field setting. I would say her decision is actually really bad. Assuming she goes with Alexis as with the original intention, her factions will definitely revolt, but only a portion of it, considering her remaining force, even if less than 30% or even 20% of the faction, join with Alexis, It is still crushingly more powerful than pretty much every single force there are on the race. And the fact that they lose Marrine as head clear send chaos onto the entire remains as some might decide they got the chance. And she even got a solid reason for doing it, as her father dying will. The casualties can be reduced to minimum, but she pull on a full blown war, literally at each other throat. Of course, I do somewhat agree with her emotional motivations, but considering that thousands of lives is going to be lost on her decision and there actually was other options, i feel that her emotional reason actual don't matter that much

I really don't feel anything towards what marriane did because frankly she's not the heroine. But if she was and instead of Alexis it was Theo getting cucked, I would have been triggered. :D

Pretty much my opinion

[larethian]

Incidentally, I don't remember Marrine giving away Villar's crest to Milza. It also doesn't make sense in terms of crest mechanics since Milza declared he wouldn't swear fealty. But I need to check that again even though I just finished v4 recently, though I took 3 weeks to read that due to time. TFW Mizuno tells us to forgive him for any inconsistency due to pressing deadline (no time to cross-check) and failing memory due to old age. Though, when I translate a novel, I tend to remember the details for at least a year before they fade away from memory, probably because each time I sit down, I will re-read what I've translated so far in current chapter, so multiple re-reads consequently.

[hyddty]

Hope someday this LN get translated, would love to see more of Theo and Siluca scene, best couple this season for me. And here is the last illu from volume 10, guess they settle for a laid back life in the farm xD

http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/936f06fcc3cec3fd66d2bc70da88d43f86942740.jpg

[maton456full]

Hope someday this LN get translated, would love to see more of Theo and Siluca scene, best couple this season for me. And here is the last illu from volume 10, guess they settle for a laid back life in the farm xD

http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/936f06fcc3cec3fd66d2bc70da88d43f86942740.jpg
Can you send me the illustrations for this volume ?

[Sensei155]

Hey guys can anybody summarize the ending and the fates of the main cast for me?

[Sensei155]

Hope someday this LN get translated, would love to see more of Theo and Siluca scene, best couple this season for me. And here is the last illu from volume 10, guess they settle for a laid back life in the farm xD

http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/936f06fcc3cec3fd66d2bc70da88d43f86942740.jpg

Wait didn't theo become the emperor? so what gives with this picture? Did he just give up everything he had or is he simply helping with the reconstruction of the kingdom by working on the fields or something?

[n0m@n]

Mizuno (the author) sure did add a crappy epilogue to it. Shouldnt have added this epilogue.

The story originally ended after the marriage ceremony of TheoXSiluca and AlexisXMarrine where Theo was the emperor at the end (Dragon Magazine).

Though the LN added an extra chapter after it (the epilogue). Epilogue takes place 7 years after the wedding. Alexis had become the 2nd Emperor since Theo relinquished his position a month before this. Theo did mention passing the position of Emperor to Alexis once everything is settled in the previous chapters but......Alexis as a Emperor (2nd)? Lol. And Marrine as a Empress/Prime Minister.

So the new Gran Crest series which showed Theo as the Emperor and Siluca as the Empress at the beginning of the new series took place before this epilogue huh.

[hyddty]

Can you send me the illustrations for this volume ?

Here you go <(")

https://imgur.com/a/9lvpv

[Sensei155]

Mizuno (the author) sure did add a crappy epilogue to it. Shouldnt have added this epilogue.

The story originally ended after the marriage ceremony of TheoXSiluca and AlexisXMarrine where Theo was the emperor at the end (Dragon Magazine).

Though the LN added an extra chapter after it (the epilogue). Epilogue takes place 7 years after the wedding. Alexis had become the 2nd Emperor since Theo relinquished his position a month before this. Theo did mention passing the position of Emperor to Alexis once everything in the previous chapters but......Alexis as a Emperor (2nd)? Lol. And Marrine as a Empress/Prime Minister.

So the new Gran Crest series which showed Theo as the Emperor and Siluca as the Empress at the beginning of the new series took place before this epilogue huh.

Wait seriously? is this for real right now? what is exactly the point of this crappy epilogue? it ruins everything the story showed so far, sigh hopefully the anime simply adapts the ending and skips this epilogue this really made me regret picking this series up all those years before, feels like I wasted so much time for nothing

[kampfer91]

Meh , is Theo really a person with ambition ?
He is like those people who at 1st say they gonna do it just to give up on the next day .

[Lexxus]

So that's the reason why they were on a farm. What a shitty epilogue.

[hyddty]

Oh well, who need an empire when you can live a peaceful life with a cute mage as your wife :3

[mlovolm]

what is that at the last pic :)) don't tell me it's another transferred into the future :))

[Ratedhook522]

The next episode has been titled “ A treaty formed”, anybody want to spoil what that means?

[kampfer91]

I can smell another rush episode .....

I bet it will be like Marriane receive report of Arab dude was killed by Theo in battle and she agree to a treaty ......

And no fight scene between Milza and Theo .

[endarion88]

ok so i just gave a try to the anime and

well i gotta ask

is the whole point of the story to make you hate this black princess or there is more?

because for now that's all i get from the anime

it's like they are really tryng hard to make me hate this character

[PhoenixRising]

ok so i just gave a try to the anime and

well i gotta ask

is the whole point of the story to make you hate this black princess or there is more?

because for now that's all i get from the anime

it's like they are really tryng hard to make me hate this character

I think it was actually supposed to be more of a social commentary originally, about war, politics and people's motivations for fighting basically. :heh: Like with Game of Thrones, everybody has a reason to fight and all intend to do good, but when politics and emotions get involved, we lose sight of ourselves in the process, well, at least that's what I think Marrine represents. So it's more of a human nature commentary, not that I think about it.

It's also about how easy it is for national treaties to get broken, when one's ambition gets in the way and the consequences of it -----Milza.

[endarion88]

I think it's supposed to be more of a commentary about war, politics and people's motivations for fighting basically. :heh: Like with Game of Thrones, everybody has a reason to fight and all intend to do good, but when politics and emotions get involved, we lose sight of ourselves in the process, well, at least that's what I think Marrine represents. So it's more of a human nature commentary, not that I think about it.

It's also about how easy it is for national treaties to get broken, when one's ambition gets in the way and the consequences of it -----Milza.

well if that is so then the anime is doing a really bad job at it

the only impression i get from the anime is

theo= kind lord

marinne= road to a tyrant

the anime just make it seems black and white as that

[PhoenixRising]

well if that is so then the anime is doing a really bad job at it

the only impression i get from the anime is

theo= kind lord

marinne= road to a tyrant

tha anime just make it seems black and white as that

Yeah, I agree. The more darker Marrine's actions become, it's easy to think of her as evil when she's actually more grey than black. For her, her heart's more in chaos with regards to her personal struggles, but most of her actions resound from guilt and powerlessness over not being able to save her father.

I don't agree with most of her actions though, especially with regards to Milza.

[endarion88]

Yeah, I agree. The more darker Marrine's actions become, it's easy to think of her as evil when she's actually more grey than black. For her, her heart's more in chaos with regards to her personal struggles, but most of her actions resound from guilt and powerlessness over not being able to save her father.

I don't agree with most of her actions though, especially with regards to Milza.

when i started to watch this i tryed to put miself in the shoes of one of the knight that fight for such nobles

on one hand i have

theo: does not care of territory and rank, prioritize human lives above anything else


and on the other hand i have this pricess that:

1)does not esistate to use poisonus misasma that everyone herself includes swore to not use

2) and this one makes me laught seriusly, she keep refusing a marriage proposal that would end the war (moreover with mutual love), but she does not esistate 1 second to spread her legs to gain the favor of a man that just killed dozen of her loyal soldiers?


like seriusly what in the actual f*ck?

if i was one of her soldier and know all of this i would desert right away or try to stab her in the back to avenge my comrades that died for such a low person

[Knight-A]

when i started to watch this i tryed to put miself in the shoes of one of the knight that fight for such nobles

on one hand i have

theo: does not care of territory and rank, prioritize human lives above anything else


and on the other hand i have this pricess that:

1)does not esistate to use poisonus misasma that everyone herself includes swore to not use

2) and this one makes me laught seriusly, she keep refusing a marriage proposal that would end the war (moreover with mutual love), but she does not esistate 1 second to spread her legs to gain the favor of a man that just killed dozen of her loyal soldiers?


like seriusly what in the actual f*ck?

if i was one of her soldier and know all of this i would desert right away or try to stab her in the back to avenge my comrades that died for such a low person

yep the series is good and all ... and I sincerely didn't get that disgusted by the Milza thing, but her reasons were really bad and most of all using the poisonous miams is doing friggin chemical warfare and on her own people, one thing is the noble that doesn't want to ally with you, but his people, the maids? are f*cking kidding me ... and she doesn't get her punishment and most of all
she gets to be the 2nd empress and Alexis the 2nd emperor, the guy is useless af, at least make Lassic the 2nd he was a good soldier, a good lord and a good friend ffs.

[Prongs]

When Theo will man up like Villar? damnit! Why they kill great character like him. Theo is too pacifist as MC at least Tigre is better than him.

[Rosiero]

Hey, I have a question. Do the novels ever give an explanation for why Siluca continues wearing the skimpy outfit even after she stops being employed by Villar? My headcanon is that she wears it for Theo, but I'm curious if there's a real reason. :D

[zezegui222]

The last manga chapter has made a great impact. Siluca is so lovely.

[Anh_Minh]

Could someone please post spoilers for the epilogue? What happened to everybody?

[pervypig]

everyone died. the end.

But after that crap we just watched, are you relly that interested in the epilogue? I've had my laughs and moved on...