Tsujo Kogeki ga Zentai Kogeki de Ni-kai Kogeki no Okasan wa Suki desu ka?

[Kadmos1]

She is quite a MILF (http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/6bb08f02e36605dff86d4a1d70aef0b31484917764_full.jp g)
From Crunchyroll article "Ai Kayano Voices Dual-Wielding Mama in Ad for New Light Novel Series":

In "Tsujo Kogeki ga Zentai Kogeki de Ni-kai Kogeki no Okasan wa Suki desu ka?, Masato Oosuki is an ordinary high school boy who is magically transported to an alternative world, but for some reason his doting, over-protective mother comes along as well. The series is described as a 'together-with-mother' adventure comedy."

YouTube preview ( youtube.com/watch?v=LEEhYM8ySdI)

I am wanting to e-mail to the rights holder of new Japanese book series. I would send the permission form after finding someone to translate the form into Japanese. If approved, it will be on my Crunchyroll account for others to read. What are some template sites for asking to do a translation?

[Ruki0089]

Incest??:confused:

[RedWingFM]

Incest??:confused:

No, I think mother is like main support character.

[Endless_Paradox]

I hope that it is incest

[Prongs]

I hope that too.. Wincest isekai for win!!

[Ruki0089]

Hell yeah! I got few comrades!!:D

[Estzero1]

Nah, if you ask me, it would be way funnier if the mother could act as some kind of wingman for her son.

[Kadmos1]

I think there are enough anime/manga/LN dealing with cases of incest/pseudo-incest (and I am talking non-R18 titles), so I hope incest doesn't happen here.

[James Rye]

So does the mother like beat all the evil humans/monsters/demons/whatevers who dare try to hurt her son or is she more "MUH SON!" whenever a girl looks his way?

[NeoAnkara]

The good thing is any potential love interest(s) will meet their potential mother in law sooner.

[Kadmos1]

I don't know what events happen in the book because I don't really read Japanese. I was mostly starting a thread to bring awareness to this new series.

[AnimeFangirl]

Just heard about this series through an article online: Anime store giving special presents to customers who come shopping with their moms (https://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/anime-store-giving-special-presents-to-customers-who-come-shopping-with-their-moms)

They call it "Do You Like Moms Whose Regular Attacks Hit the Entire Enemy Party Twice?" which is easier to understand, so you can change the thread title to that if you want. I want to read it, or even better watch an anime adaptation. If you can get official permission from the publishers I would be happy to do the Japanese-English translation.

[J4n1]

Forget about the reincarnating high schooler, let's have a series about doting mother and her quest to get her clueless son to notice all the girls around him in order to get some grandchildren.

[Prongs]

Forget about the reincarnating high schooler, let's have a series about doting mother and her quest to get her clueless son to notice all the girls around him in order to get some grandchildren.

Then give the mom to me!! Lol

[Kadmos1]

The prologue-2nd chapter are sampled here: fantasiataisho-sp.com/trial/29th/mother/#!/page1.

For those that have gotten approval to do translations (Even if they were just a few chapters) from Fujimi Shobo (owned by Kadokawa Corp) or any Japanese publisher, have you ever had to pay royalties? Since I am merely the messenger/person asking if the translation can be done, the potential translator may want to do do the payments since they are actually doing the work.

[kaikalaila]

From one of the illustration, Mom going to remove that future daughter-in-law demon queen!

[AnimeFangirl]

For those that have gotten approval to do translations (Even if they were just a few chapters) from Fujimi Shobo (owned by Kadokawa Corp) or any Japanese publisher, have you ever had to pay royalties?
I've never heard of any individual (i.e. not a company) getting permission to do fan translations but it doesn't hurt to ask. My understanding is that there is always a license fee involved in these things and it can be hefty. Maybe the company from this thread (https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=145549) might want to take it up? You should suggest it.

[KiharaRonin]

Awesome new series.

[kampfer91]

That illustration , somehow i feel i have seen that style of drawing before , ane mamono ?

[kaikalaila]

Yesl pochi goya.

Anyone have some spoiler yet?

[bastek66]

Do we know how old is the MILF?

[sparhawk1610]

I definitely want to read this LN :heh:
Edit: in 9 days sold over 12889 copies

[kampfer91]

This LN have already sold over 12000 copies , quite a good start .

Hopefully we can see manga adaption or even anime .

Also , his mother age is around 40 .

[AnimeFangirl]

Finished reading the free preview. Is anyone actively working on this?

[Akashura]

Does anyone have the illustrations of volume 1?

[AnimeFangirl]

Nope. They weren't included in the free preview Fantasia Books provided. I want to see them myself, to help with the translation.
Edit: Is there an official reading of the boy's name? 真人 can be read as both Makoto and Masato so I'm a little confused.

[kampfer91]

Does anyone have the illustrations of volume 1?

Well i think there is , found them in one of Vietnamese 's blog .

[Akashura]

Well i think there is , found them in one of Vietnamese 's blog .

Does that blog have all the illustrations of vol 1? Or only some of them?

[AnimeFangirl]

I'm sure they'll turn up eventually. In the meantime, I'm sure they've been translated already, but I did my own versions of chapter 1 and 2.
*mod snip*

[Elestia]

I read the teaser chapter done by sky and seems pretty interesting. Definitely better than a lot of the other strange twists I've been seeing lately in isekai genre. Pochi Goya doing the illustrations is just a plus for me.

[AnimeFangirl]

Is Pochi-goya really that famous? I keep hearing his name here and there every time this light novel comes up.

[Shadow5YA]

Is Pochi-goya really that famous? I keep hearing his name here and there every time this light novel comes up.

I wouldn't go that far and call him "famous", but he one of the better known h-doujin artists.

Go look up Ane Naru Mono

[AnimeFangirl]

one of the better known h-doujin artists.

Go look up Ane Naru Mono
Uhh, thanks but no thanks.

[AnimeFangirl]

Found a Facebook page with the LN illustrations (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398501747153856.1073741870.187098151627551&type=3). Warning: some of them are borderline NSFW.

[Prongs]

Found a Facebook page with the LN illustrations (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398501747153856.1073741870.187098151627551&type=3). Warning: some of them are borderline NSFW.

I will marry the mother.. I really want his mother.. Give your mother boy..

[sparhawk1610]

Found a Facebook page with the LN illustrations (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398501747153856.1073741870.187098151627551&type=3). Warning: some of them are borderline NSFW.

Just wow, someone should translate it :heh:

[AB079]

That freaking mother, I can ser some incest in the future unless the autor goes full comedy.

She has the body of a goddess.

[sparhawk1610]

That freaking mother, I can ser some incest in the future unless the autor goes full comedy.

She has the body of a goddess.

Exactly. A piece of art! :heh:

[The One Above God]

That one image in the bath makes her look like Chiyo from Ane Naru Mono. Well, same artist after all.

Anyway, I hope this doesn't go the incest route.

[AB079]

^For now seems more focused on comedy than other kid of topics, especially cuz the Mamako is a newbie. So I don't really think it will go that way, but who knows.

For now I just want to see more of this, among the large list of generic Isekai stories out there, this one seems quite interesting thanks to the basic settings of the story.

Hopefully we're going to get regular translations, anyone knows if someone is translating this already or we're stuck with the teaser?

--------------

EDIT: Frozensama picked this LN, we're gonna have translation guys.

[AB079]

Anyone knows when volume 2 comes out?

[archoel]

April 20 2017 http://www.fujimishobo.co.jp/fantasia/ cover

[AB079]

Still trying to decide if I should buy it or not. Maybe after the last volume of Hexennacht I will consider this one.

[Ultragunner]

the important thing is whether his mom will be a wingman(woman?) for her son or not? :heh:

[sparhawk1610]

the important thing is whether his mom will be a wingman(woman?) for her son or not? :heh:

That is a bit complicated. With that body...man I don't want her to be just a wingman :heh:

[AB079]

the important thing is whether his mom will be a wingman(woman?) for her son or not? :heh:

For now that seems to be the case, just a mother and son interaction with the usual problems and misunderstandings.

Mamako is quite protective and sensitive tho, maybe she will filter everyone who came close to her son.

[erneiz_hyde]

I just wanna say the title of this LN made me chuckle a bit because it reminds me of Esty Dee from Atelier Meruru which ironically is a christmas cake there lol. Esty's normal attack targets all enemies and deals damage twice after all :heh:

[Ultragunner]

For now that seems to be the case, just a mother and son interaction with the usual problems and misunderstandings.

Mamako is quite protective and sensitive tho, maybe she will filter everyone who came close to her son.
it would be wonderful if she does filter out those violent and abusive types :heh:

None shall touch her precious boy....without her permission :D

[sparhawk1610]

Well, I am really curious abou how this LN will continue:heh:

[The 48th Ronin]

You've done it, Japan. I knew it's just a matter of time. :heh:

[AnimeFangirl]

it would be wonderful if she does filter out those violent and abusive types :heh:
That's what I thought she'd done in chapter 2, but it seems like that violent tsundere sage Wiz will end up joining their party. Booo.

[Tenzen12]

Just heard about this series through an article online: Anime store giving special presents to customers who come shopping with their moms (https://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/anime-store-giving-special-presents-to-customers-who-come-shopping-with-their-moms)

They call it "Do You Like Moms Whose Regular Attacks Hit the Entire Enemy Party Twice?" which is easier to understand, so you can change the thread title to that if you want. I want to read it, or even better watch an anime adaptation. If you can get official permission from the publishers I would be happy to do the Japanese-English translation.

I can't even imagine how awkward would this event became from hindsight once it goes full wincest....

[Prongs]

yeah mamako my Waifuuu

[AB079]

Mamako is truly the best girl, sadly she's married.

[Tenzen12]

Nah, husbands/boyfriends count only if they are in same world.

[sparhawk1610]

Nah, husbands/boyfriends count only if they are in same world.

Well, I like this explanation. :heh:

[AB079]

Friendly reminder.

40 years old

http://i63.tinypic.com/b8mx6s.jpg

[sparhawk1610]

Friendly reminder.

40 years old

http://i63.tinypic.com/b8mx6s.jpg

Yeah, indeed you are right, she is 40. But that look...gosh she looks much better like all other girls from vol 1 :heh:

[Ultragunner]

^^ & ^: I was just about to post that :heh:

yeah, even the son is always awed by how ridiculously young his mom looks :heh:
I bet he wish she were just a friendly onee-san next door
:p

Also, can we first fathom the fact that she is a dual-wielder who can steam roll everything? Take that Kirito :heh:

[AnimeFangirl]

Her too-young appearance killed most of my interest in the series TBH. I thought it would be much more interesting to have just a regular mom, maybe a little plump, maybe with a couple of lines and wrinkles. Kind of like Ippo's mom in Hajime no Ippo, you know? Using your own mom for fanservice is just... :( And the other options are Porta, who is 12 years old (don't go there, guys) and Wiz who sounds like your everyday tsundere. It's just sad.

[KuruluciaFalFairia]

i am effing forgot that this is LN, welp im so sorry, moving along

and taking pochigoya as illustrator really a great idea, look at that man

[Tenzen12]

Friendly reminder.

40 years old

http://i63.tinypic.com/b8mx6s.jpg

What about 40? Some if best waifys out there count their age in matter of centuries. What's a difference few decades in comparison?

[AB079]

95% on volume 1, soon we're gonna get the whole thing to read it, can't wait to see mamako fighting.

[AB079]

Ch2 is done, poor Shirase is under some sort of different reality where she bully herself LOL. Porta a cutie, she's like a little animal that enjoy headpats and Wise is 100% laughs.

Mamako still the best girl though.

[WyrdMonger]

Where can I read translated chapters?

[Tenzen12]

Saying where to find it is against rules. Same goes for all novels including Overlord, Youjo Senki or Altina. But if you were able find any of these yourself. You would be close.

Anyway this game is total mess. I love it. Though poor PKs would disagree...

[sparhawk1610]

Well, that mother first interviews was so awesome lol :heh:

[The 48th Ronin]

How many motherly puns are we going to encounter? :heh:

[AnimeFangirl]

Where can I read translated chapters?

Look on page 2 of this thread.

[Tenzen12]

Well, teaser translation of chapter two on second page of thread is not complete other translation continues after point of transportation spell and ends with Wise being officially recruited.

[kaikalaila]

Is Porta scheming something?

[AB079]

Is Porta scheming something?

Wise is the one doing that, Porta for now just looks like a harmless cute girl.

[Diluc]

so will the father join his waifu and son adventure in another world or will the mc will have new father in another world?
i am talking about is there any men trying to hit the mc mom? (she so awfully hot)
this is serious question, please answer me...

[kampfer91]

I think she is a single mom who is too doting on her son , no place for another husband .

Come to think of it , the game itself will trap the player until he / she got along with theirs parent , kinda dangerous but not as dangerous as S.A.O .

[AnimeFangirl]

Wise is the one doing that, Porta for now just looks like a harmless cute girl.
Porta is definitely hiding something about her parents, though.

[The 48th Ronin]

I think she is a single mom who is too doting on her son , no place for another husband.

No, she's not single. Her husband works in a distant place according to the translated chapters

[Estzero1]

Well, seems like they did it again :heh:.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-04-15/do-you-like-your-mom-light-novel-is-back-with-another-strange-promotional-campaign/.114848

[AB079]

Well, seems like they did it again :heh:.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-04-15/do-you-like-your-mom-light-novel-is-back-with-another-strange-promotional-campaign/.114848

I really wonder, after all this marketing strategy, how are the numbers for this LN in the rankings?

[Tenzen12]

So, while Okasan can be rather ambiguous, same kind of strategy is used for right down incestious novel?

...Actually I am fine with implications it come with...

[KnightShade]

Well, seems like they did it again :heh:.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-04-15/do-you-like-your-mom-light-novel-is-back-with-another-strange-promotional-campaign/.114848

Read the comments, lol normies:heh:

[travelingbum]

anyone check out that little sister LN cause it's also on with the promo campaign? lol

[Bonta Kun]

So I was bored just browsing the world wide web just before work yesterday when I done something I hadn't done in actual years and that was visit ANN(did it on a complete whim) and I saw the post on this and decided to take a look and quite glad I did.

Been looking for something a "little refreshing" recently and this pretty much fits the bill for me.
I mean I do actually like alot of the drivel LN/WN's pour on us but it's really all the same stuff over and over again.
While yea this is pretty much same stuff, it's got a really nice twist to it all, one that tickles my fancy quite abit since it's rarely or not seen at all.

Looking forward to more of this one.

[Tenzen12]

Well that escalated quickly:heh:


“NNNNo, Maa-kun! Mom and Maa-kun are mother and son! No matter how much you like mom, to think that you pushed mom down, melted mom’s clothes and tried to do something! At least, at least turn off the lights!” *Shine!*

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5_erxDYkTME/WPYxlZVXTrI/AAAAAAAAIls/Js8mz0oX_Rsk9dt687XWOcoxzdYemY6SgCLcB/s1600/p157.jpg



Yeah I can indeed understand Masato's "hardships"...

[AB079]

^At least is still under the comedy aspect of the series, unless we go further than that.

I can't really tell if Mamako is messing with Masato or if she's being kind of serious hmmm.

PS: my god that body

[sparhawk1610]

Well, Mamako is indeed best girl :heh:

[KnightShade]

the constant mothercons jokes was already enough, but that line was gold. part of me just wants to shrug it off considering it was already said that her husband is away for work. the other part of me remembers this same plot point being a common one for most milf hentai :heh:

[AB079]

Mamako really needs "youknowwhat" :heh:


“Saying that you won’t look even if you die......sob sob......even though mom is wearing a new pair......even though it’s a T-back so that the underwear line won’t show on her butt......”

[Tenzen12]

It's not like Masato isreally helping either...

"Don't move, I will take it off"

No weird meaning, no weird meaning. just son striping his mother...

[The 48th Ronin]

The author is truly baiting the shit out of us. :heh:

[AB079]

I love how Wise is getting shit right after being a dick to Masato, now she's quite nice despite being so contrarian sometimes.

[Elestia]

Ehhh...

I had some hopes for the first chapter, but reading the end of the second chapter and third chapter I felt they could have anchored the themes about the estranged relationship between Masato and Mamako a bit more before diving head first into the generic rom-com cliches.

Party members are kind of annoying too, especially Wise. I'm not a big fan of the heroine that one-sidedly verbally and physically abuses the protagonist trope.

[Tenzen12]

Hey! Her verbal abuse is perfectly true and she heals all damage of physical one.

Plus she is hilariously useless:heh:

[AB079]

Did you read ch 3? beacause the last half of that chapter started to show something not pleasant and that's how an overprotective mother can be a pain in the ass for her son, making difficult to deal with.

Even the last scene is showing those topics of a mother-son relationship.

EDIT: that was for Elestia.

[KnightShade]

The Pics for volume 2 are Spicy! Mamako is best milf

[Kadmos1]

Does our MC have a literal Oedipous Complex or is there another main girl for him?

[AB079]

^you what? there is no oedipous complex at least for now and we don't have any love interest up to this point of volume 1.

If that can change then it should be later but I don't think so, considering the strong side of this LN is the comedy.

[sparhawk1610]

^you what? there is no oedipous complex at least for now and we don't have any love interest up to this point of volume 1.

If that can change then it should be later but I don't think so, considering the strong side of this LN is the comedy.

Exactly. But on other hand, just look on Mamako body, do you think that Wise or Porta can be compared? Naaaah, never :heh:

[AB079]

Exactly. But on other hand, just look on Mamako body, do you think that Wise or Porta can be compared? Naaaah, never :heh:

Wise is really cute, Porta is just like a puppy :heh:

http://i67.tinypic.com/23w5ngk.png
http://i66.tinypic.com/242txrr.png

[sparhawk1610]

Wise is really cute, Porta is just like a puppy :heh:

http://i67.tinypic.com/23w5ngk.png

Ohh my, who is that blue hair beauty? But Mamako wins again :heh:

[AB079]

^ you missed the second one btw.

[sparhawk1610]

^ you missed the second one btw.

Ohh yeah, you are right :heh: But sailor uniform FTW ! :D
Do you know by any chance who is that blue hair girl from the first picture?

[AB079]

Ohh yeah, you are right :heh: But sailor uniform FTW ! :D
Do you know by any chance who is that blue hair girl from the first picture?

Medhi the new girl, the other one at the side of SailorMamako is her mother.

[sparhawk1610]

Medhi the new girl, the other one at the side of SailorMamako is her mother.

Nice, Medhi looks cute. I hope that we will able read it soon.

[Tenzen12]

Actually I think Wise is cuter than Mamako. She is nowhere close when it come to sexiness, but she is can still get there.

New girl doesn't appeal me much though, she feel either like too kuudere or too crazy candy seller.

[Elestia]

Did you read ch 3? beacause the last half of that chapter started to show something not pleasant and that's how an overprotective mother can be a pain in the ass for her son, making difficult to deal with.

Even the last scene is showing those topics of a mother-son relationship.

EDIT: that was for Elestia.

What part are you specifically referring to? The slime scenes? Or are you talking about the Mamako cosplay? Because I didn't find anything "unpleasant" about them.

The last scene was really short, but a step in the right direction. I was hoping it wouldn't be only 600 ish words long, since there is a really interesting premise to Mamako and Masato's relation the author could expand upon, but it's completely dwarfed by the amount of slapstick/fanservice hijinks between Wise and Mamako that loses my interest when I was reading the chapter. I honestly would find it better if the author manages to flesh out both characters from their archetypes soon.

[AB079]

What part are you specifically referring to? The slime scenes? Or are you talking about the Mamako cosplay? Because I didn't find anything "unpleasant" about them.

Neither of those, I'm talking about the scenes after that where Masato started to feel some kind of weird mood having Mamako taking all the desitions for him, which ended on the last part of chapter 3 where he literally blew up and said what he really thinks as last resort, and even after that nothing improved at all because he's still frustrated thanks to Mamako's behavior. Wise is involved in that too, since she understood the situation and pushed Masato to end the discussion that can go further than that and make some damage to their relationship.

After these 3 chapters we can see how the LN is indeed touching the problems between a mother and son relationship, I mean we all usually have those problems when we were kids on one way or another. Also is just volume 1, there is room for improvement but for now Okaa-san is quite good.

The last scene was really short, but a step in the right direction. I was hoping it wouldn't be only 600 ish words long, since there is a really interesting premise to Mamako and Masato's relation the author could expand upon, but it's completely dwarfed by the amount of slapstick/fanservice hijinks between Wise and Mamako that loses my interest when I was reading the chapter. I honestly would find it better if the author manages to flesh out both characters from their archetypes soon.

The first sentence here is precisely what happened, but you have to keep in mind that this LN is mainly a comedy and as I mentioned before, judging the LN based on 3 chapters or 1 volume isn't fair at all. Let's see what happens after 2-3 volumes, at that point is where the problems with the story really shows up on any LN out there.

Personally I enjoy the jokes and the chemistry between the characters, that's being managed in a very good way and the last part of chapter 3 was a pleasant surprise for me.

[Elestia]

Neither of those, I'm talking about the scenes after that where Masato started to feel some kind of weird mood having Mamako taking all the desitions for him, which ended on the last part of chapter 3 where he literally blew up and said what he really thinks as last resort, and even after that nothing improved at all because he's still frustrated thanks to Mamako's behavior. Wise is involved in that too, since she understood the situation and pushed Masato to end the discussion that can go further than that and make some damage to their relationship.

After these 3 chapters we can see how the LN is indeed touching the problems between a mother and son relationship, I mean we all usually have those problems when we were kids on one way or another. Also is just volume 1, there is room for improvement but for now Okaa-san is quite good.

I had considered it but these kind of scenario or trope plays out a lot comedies so it is quite hard to tell if it is supposed to be taken seriously or not which I think is kind of the problem with the writing. It causes some dissonance which kind of dampers my enjoyment of the story.

For example when Masato is constantly being abused for the sake of the comedy, whether intentionally by Wise or unintentionally by Mamako. Are we suppose to treat it as a joke, or is it serious? It's kind of ambiguous and reminds me a lot of the problems I had with the humor in Your Lie In April. Funny (http://imgur.com/a/qc4RK). Not Funny (http://i.imgur.com/hXEnlnl.png)


The first sentence here is precisely what happened, but you have to keep in mind that this LN is mainly a comedy and as I mentioned before, judging the LN based on 3 chapters or 1 volume isn't fair at all. Let's see what happens after 2-3 volumes, at that point is where the problems with the story really shows up on any LN out there.

I haven't judged anything. I just think the 2nd and 3rd chapters were a bit disappointing.


Personally I enjoy the jokes and the chemistry between the characters, that's being managed in a very good way and the last part of chapter 3 was a pleasant surprise for me.

I feel the opposite, while I don't downright hate it I find it kind of dull as much of the interactions revolve around emasculating Masato, whether by Wise physically or verbally abusing him, or by Mamako treating Masato like some helpless child.

[KnightShade]

Mom's being over-doting and unintentional emasculating/abuse are two different ballparks. All i'm gonna say.

[AB079]

Mom's being over-doting and unintentional emasculating/abuse are two different ballparks. All i'm gonna say.

Actually she's really bad at reading what's happening, kind of dumb if we have to call that behavior in a way. Mamako is just an over-protective mother that is too excited for what's happening but don't think about the consequences, like on ch 3.

@Elestia I think the problem is more related to the way you appreciate the story, I'm not saying is wrong because you just don't like it and everyone has the right to like or dislike things. You presented your argument and I respect that.

The only problem is how you're taking a position too harsh on Mamako, she's trying to do things right but in the end she fails sometimes. After all Mamako and Masato entered to this game to fix their relationship, is a growing relationship and at least they're being more clear with their feelings.

[KnightShade]

^I'm actually agreeing with you here, what i meant is that i don't agree with what Elestia is equating mamako's behavior to.

[Elestia]

Mom's being over-doting and unintentional emasculating/abuse are two different ballparks. All i'm gonna say.

Isn't that just the cause and effect of her actions?

Actually she's really bad at reading what's happening, kind of dumb if we have to call that behavior in a way. Mamako is just an over-protective mother that is too excited for what's happening but don't think about the consequences, like on ch 3.

Agreed. She wants to be closer with her son, but she has no idea how to do it other than "let's go on an adventure together". She does it with the best intentions, but the road to hell are paved with such intentions.


@Elestia I think the problem is more related to the way you appreciate the story, I'm not saying is wrong because you just don't like it and everyone has the right to like or dislike things. You presented your argument and I respect that.

That's fine. I'll continue to read and comment like I have been doing. If you'd like to continue discussing or debating about it, feel free.


The only problem is how you're taking a position too harsh on Mamako, she's trying to do things right but in the end she fails sometimes. After all Mamako and Masato entered to this game to fix their relationship, is a growing relationship and at least they're being more clear with their feelings.

While I do agree she really tries to do the right things, it's plainly not the correct way to go about it since their relationship at the moment is way too one-sided. Everything seems to be tailored by Shirase for Mamako's sake and with her ongoing support, Masato is essentially being driven to into a corner.

[Tenzen12]

If there is one thing Mamako can't be blamed for, it's completely screwed balance of game mechanics. She is wrong, but it same time whole game is pushing her in it.

Which is not actually bad thing. While at the moment I don't expect it to be intentional I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with Masato being driven into corner. If these two are ever improve their relationship he have to exert himself and set the rules. Which he now that he is cornered is much more inclined to do.

[KnightShade]

@elestia, only if you subscribe to some warped sense of masculinity. and no, whining about mom hogging the spotlight is a farcry from mental abuse.

mamakos actions counter her goal of getting closer to masato, she's hurting herself more really.

Wise i can understand tho.

[AB079]

WHAT. THE. HELL.

http://game.nicovideo.jp/atsumaru/games/gm2834

[KnightShade]

^subs when?!!!

[Elestia]

@elestia, only if you subscribe to some warped sense of masculinity. and no, whining about mom hogging the spotlight is a farcry from mental abuse.

mamakos actions counter her goal of getting closer to masato, she's hurting herself more really.

Wise i can understand tho.

When I use the word emasculate, I don't mean it in the masculine sense. I'm using it as term to describe situations where agency or a lack of control over one's decision making is superseded. Being unable to let one's child to make their own decisions, for better or for worse, and having a parent do it for them is a much more serious problem than you think.

It's why being overprotective or overdoting can lead to a negative growth in Masato and Mamako's relationship.

[AB079]

Why is this LN getting so much attention?

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/04/20/ai-kayano-pampers-listeners-in-light-novel-voice-campaign

[KnightShade]

When I use the word emasculate, I don't mean it in the masculine sense. I'm using it as term to describe situations where agency or a lack of control over one's decision making is superseded. Being unable to let one's child to make their own decisions, for better or for worse, and having a parent do it for them is a much more serious problem than you think.

It's why being overprotective or overdoting can lead to a negative growth in Masato and Mamako's relationship.

You would have a point if this werent a fundamentally broken gameworld that favors mom players. Masato is misappropiating the games problems to his mom and your essentially doing the same as tenzen pointed out earlier. Irl he is not in a situation where he is forced to rely on her overdoting ways.

On a different note, im not expecting full wincest but please god let this not go the wise route. This tsundere act is painfully generic

[Gundam Meister]

Why is this LN getting so much attention?

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/04/20/ai-kayano-pampers-listeners-in-light-novel-voice-campaign

As a Light Novel series ever receive this from the publisher with only two volume at this rate i would not be surprise with an anime adaptation announcement in 2018

[Elestia]

You would have a point if this werent a fundamentally broken gameworld that favors mom players. Masato is misappropiating the games problems to his mom and your essentially doing the same as tenzen pointed out earlier. Irl he is not in a situation where he is forced to rely on her overdoting ways.

On a different note, im not expecting full wincest but please god let this not go the wise route. This tsundere act is painfully generic

Yes, it favors her to an unfair degree, but she is the one who decides in the end whether or not to abuse it. She takes both swords only because she believes that Masato would be genuinely happy. She decides who joins his party because she believes, as a mother, it is her duty to approve which girl he should grow intimate with. She decides to use the Terra Sword, twice in fact, to break up Masato from getting too close with Wise. Are you saying that these kinds of decisions she makes should be blamed on the system instead?

[AB079]

As a Light Novel series ever receive this from the publisher with only two volume at this rate i would not be surprise with an anime adaptation announcement in 2018

It's been 2 events for volume 1, another 2 events for volume 2, a game, and now this.

I'm with you on the anime adaptation, I can see that in the future.

[KnightShade]

Yes, it favors her to an unfair degree, but she is the one who decides in the end whether or not to abuse it. She takes both swords only because she believes that Masato would be genuinely happy. She decides who joins his party because she believes, as a mother, it is her duty to approve which girl he should grow intimate with. She decides to use the Terra Sword, twice in fact, to break up Masato from getting too close with Wise. Are you saying that these kinds of decisions she makes should be blamed on the system instead?

Her choices in this situation do not absolve the game of fault. Nor do her choices have to be accepted by masato. Saying that her choices are bringing harm to masato is excusing masato from actually addressing them

[Elestia]

Her choices in this situation do not absolve the game of fault. Nor do her choices have to be accepted by masato. Saying that her choices are bringing harm to masato is excusing masato from actually addressing them

That doesn't make much sense though. If I am playing a game, but the game has an exploit that gives me an unfair advantage over the rest of the players, and I willingly abuse it, I am not responsible for my decision?

Are the other players not entitled to scream and yell at me for doing it, regardless of whether they accept my decision to abuse the exploit? You are saying my actions do not bring harm to the players and excuse the players from addressing the exploit that is only fixed by the admins or developers?

[KnightShade]

If the dev never addresses it or outright intended such an imbalance, of course not. Your operating under the basis that this game was made to be fair, which clearly isnt supported by the story itself. As far as we know, the game purposely favors moms. Do other players have to like it? No. But the whole point of the game has nothing to do with proper game balance as it was intended to bring moms and kids closer. How effective it is remains to be seen but as far as the context of this story is concerned, mamako's hax is not an exploit.

[Tenzen12]

That doesn't make much sense though. If I am playing a game, but the game has an exploit that gives me an unfair advantage over the rest of the players, and I willingly abuse it, I am not responsible for my decision?

Are the other players not entitled to scream and yell at me for doing it, regardless of whether they accept my decision to abuse the exploit? You are saying my actions do not bring harm to the players and excuse the players from addressing the exploit that is only fixed by the admins or developers?

In first place Mamako has like zero knowledge about games. If she was told that she is exploiting game mechanics, she would start look for guys in overalls so she can apologize. She is noon, not cheater.

You can't willingly exploit anything if you don't know what are you doing in first place

[Elestia]

If the dev never addresses it or outright intended such an imbalance, of course not. Your operating under the basis that this game was made to be fair, which clearly isnt supported by the story itself.

A developer has to fix any bugs or exploits in a game, or the players who do abuse it constantly will ruin the gaming experience for everyone else. You are literally saying that hackers or cheaters are not at fault and should not get banned because the developers did not fix it.

As far as we know, the game purposely favors moms. Do other players have to like it? No. But the whole point of the game has nothing to do with proper game balance as it was intended to bring moms and kids closer.

And how do they intend to bring the parent and child together? BY. PLAYING. A. GAME. TOGETHER. I can't believe I have to say it this clearly, but if they can't offer an agreeable experience for both Mamako and Masato to bond within the game, it completely defeats the entire point of the project.


How effective it is remains to be seen but as far as the context of this story is concerned, mamako's hax is not an exploit.

I never said Mamako's hax is an exploit, I said, and I quote, "it favors her to an unfair degree", meaning she an unfair advantage in the game, which unsurprisingly is ruining their relationship. Why? Because Mamako, knowingly or unknowingly humiliates, embarrasses, or emasculates Masato.

[Tenzen12]

You are assuming goal of this project is having both mothers and child's bond together while enjoying game. But that NOT necessarily true.

Goal is "improve relationship between parent and child". Full stop. We don't know HOW is that supposed happen. It's this imbalance that allowed Masato finally address problem and if that lead to catharsis, it means project succeeded. Which may be plan a along.

[Elestia]

You are assuming goal of this project is having both mothers and child's bond together while enjoying game. But that NOT necessarily true.

Goal is "improve relationship between parent and child". Full stop. We don't know HOW is that supposed happen. It's this imbalance that allowed Masato finally address problem and if that lead to catharsis, it means project succeeded. Which may be plan a along.

Of course we do. The first chapter tells us constantly. To go on an adventure together. I do not understand how you can come to any other conclusion, and suggest that isn't the entire point of having both the parent and child play together in a fantasy rpg setting that is INSIDE. A. GAME.

“Your mother has been told about the rough idea in advance. The child should remain innocent. You should just move on like that, get to know each other while adventuring together......Now then.”

“B-But......it is better not to talk about everything at first......adventuring together, accumulating various encounters, then realizing it yourself based on those is better......”

You know, mom wants to get along with Maa-kun. Adventuring with Maa-kun, talking about many things, working hard for various things, getting along well as parent and child, those are what mom thought of. That’s why......*sob*......you know?”

I don't know how much clearer it can get as that is the entire premise of the story.

Please tell me how these imbalances helps Masato addresses the problem? What problem are you talking about. Don't be vague and ambiguous. Please state it clearly. So far, it has not helped and seems to be causing more friction than the catharsis you are talking about.

[KnightShade]

A developer has to fix any bugs or exploits in a game, or the players who do abuse it constantly will ruin the gaming experience for everyone else. You are literally saying that hackers or cheaters are not at fault and should not get banned because the developers did not fix it.

again you're operating under a false pretense not supported by the story itself as nothing has stated that mamako's hax is an abuse of the system or an exploit, in fact it's the opposite (just look at the name of the game theyre in smh). you're IRL argument is irrelevant no matter how many times you keep repeating this.


And how do they intend to bring the parent and child together? BY. PLAYING. A. GAME. TOGETHER. I can't believe I have to say it this clearly, but if they can't offer an agreeable experience for both Mamako and Masato to bond within the game, it completely defeats the entire point of the project.

this only works under the assumption that the games needs to be perfectly symmetrical for everyone in order for all players to bond, which according to most rpg's just isn't the case. and this also assumes that the only way they can bond inside the game is by interacting in an area where mamako excells in, fighting. the game exists as a plot device to force interaction, but they dont need to be doing a quest to interact.

I never said Mamako's hax is an exploit, I said, and I quote, "it favors her to an unfair degree", meaning she an unfair advantage in the game, which unsurprisingly is ruining their relationship. Why? Because Mamako, knowingly or unknowingly humiliates, embarrasses, or emasculates Masato.

Then dont use an example mentioning exploits when it's irrelevant to your own point. their relationship was already bad, but what you're saying is that it's bad because of only mamako's actions. In case you didn't know, it takes two to have a relationship.


You can't sit here and place all the blame on mamako when masato in the very first chapter threatened to disown her over a f%$#ing game. you subscribe to a very warped sense of masculinity where in order for masato as a male to feel masculine, he must be as good or better than mamako (because somehow a strong women leading the pack makes you less of a man?) at a game. And then you falsely equate that to mental abuse and over sheltering a child while on the same breath tell me that they're playing a game together. holy contradictions batman :eyespin:

And then you outright ignore that mamako picking out the party members was something masato himself chose to go along with. If he truly felt strongly that she was going about it the wrong way, then he failed to put his foot down. And even more, you ignore the fact that masato was the one to tell mamako that he initially didn't want wise in the party, and even before they let her in, he told mamako that wise was dishonest and prone to trickery. And it's her fault for believing him and interrupting them those two times, even though she willingly trusted masato to bunk with wise? so mamako choice's are worthy of criticism but not masato's?

Masato's 'emasculation' is nothing more than insecurity which is the result of his own inability to actually talk things out with his own mom and his lack of priorities when it comes to her. Maybe just maybe, he wouldn't feel the need to compete with her if he... you know... talked to her about things like team coordination, keeping everyone engaged in a quest ect, you know... the basics of rpg's that mamako knows nothing about that for some reason he hasn't gone over with her because muh i have to be the hero? Maybe he could define his own worth based on himself and not in comparison to his mom? you know like collector girl in the party does?

This is not to say that the blame falls solely on masato either, as mamako doesn't know how to connect with masato. But unlike masato, she is actually trying to do so in spite of her complete lack of knowledge on this setting. Maybe she would get somewhere if he were to open up about how he feels uncomfortable around his mom because of her looks... but she can't force him to do that. That's the area where masato needs to man up as it's all on him.

also

You are assuming goal of this project is having both mothers and child's bond together while enjoying game. But that NOT necessarily true.

Goal is "improve relationship between parent and child". Full stop. We don't know HOW is that supposed happen. It's this imbalance that allowed Masato finally address problem and if that lead to catharsis, it means project succeeded. Which may be plan a along.

THIS. the sole reason for the game is the former, not the latter. it's the whole reason they are there and why it was made, in case you missed the several times in the novel where this was said. they don't need to enjoy the game in the same way that you don't need to enjoy therapy.

[Tenzen12]

Vague? Masato very unvaguely told Mamako off if you don't remember. Do you need citations? I can provide.

Sure, we were told it's for fun... by unreliable troll Shirase and from beginning it's obvious much more things are kept hidden or are mere half truths. I really don't have clue why would anyone take that at face of value.

Either way once Mamako understand she need give Masato some space, learn to trust her son judgement and Masato stop being tsun tsun all time, they will be able enjoy adventure together no matter how screwed mechanics are.

[Elestia]

You can't sit here and place all the blame on mamako when masato in the very first chapter threatened to disown her over a f%$#ing game. you subscribe to a very warped sense of masculinity where in order for masato as a male to feel masculine, he must be as good or better than mamako (because somehow a strong women leading the pack makes you less of a man?) at a game. And then you falsely equate that to mental abuse and over sheltering a child while on the same breath tell me that they're playing a game together. holy contradictions batman :eyespin:

Yes, I see you have not read anything I have posted. Please read below quote I stated last time.

When I use the word emasculate, I don't mean it in the masculine sense. I'm using it as term to describe situations where agency or a lack of control over one's decision making is superseded. Being unable to let one's child to make their own decisions, for better or for worse, and having a parent do it for them is a much more serious problem than you think.

It's why being overprotective or overdoting can lead to a negative growth in Masato and Mamako's relationship.

If you don't agree that being overprotective and overdoting over Masato, that Mamako exhibits, is bad for their relationship and counterproductive to nurturing a healthy bond between a parent and child, then I really don't have any else I can say to convince you. We'll just agree to disagree.


And then you outright ignore that mamako picking out the party members was something masato himself chose to go along with. If he truly felt strongly that she was going about it the wrong way, then he failed to put his foot down.

Did you even read the scene where Mamako oversees who joins the party? Because I am starting to think you are just blindly typing without checking.

“A-anyway! That’s not the problem here! There’s no rule that says party members need my mom’s approval to join anyway, so…”

“Actually that sounds quite interesting, so we have just added a Mommy Check system to the game.”

“WHAAA?!”

SHIRASE appeared, holding additional profiles and cards with Yes and No written on them.

The Mommy Interview system had suddenly been implemented.The furniture in the room was rearranged to make the interview possible. Mamako the interviewer and Masato the onlooker were on one side, there was a table before them and then a chair for the interviewee. Time to get started.

How can he chose to "go along with", as you put it, when there is a system in place that prevents Masato from making a decision by himself? He literally can't choose his own party members without Mamako's approval. Did you even read that part carefully?Masato had no other recourse and hope that Mamako agrees with his decision.


And even more, you ignore the fact that masato was the one to tell mamako that he initially didn't want wise in the party, and even before they let her in, he told mamako that wise was dishonest and prone to trickery.

That doesn't mean anything. That just meant Mamako only agreed on a whim. It's still one-sided. If Mamako really wanted t, she could have overruled Masato, despite his rejection initially, and have Wise join the party right then and there. It's the same the the three other party members before Porta and Wise. With the Mommy Check System system in place, Mamako has complete control over the party. It's a dictatorship.


And it's her fault for believing him and interrupting them those two times, even though she willingly trusted masato to bunk with wise? so mamako choice's are worthy of criticism but not masato's?

Again, you are not making sense or did not read the scene when you typing this out.

First off, the reason why Mamako split Wise and Masato apart with her was because she was afraid Masato was becoming more intimate with someone else other than her. When Masato was abducted by Wise she became terrified that Masato would abandon her to be with Wise instead, despite being reassured by Masato at the end of their first real fight at the end of chapter one. Is it Masato's fault that Wise abducted Masato and begged him to join his party? Of course not, so how can you expect me to criticise Masato in that situation when he did nothing wrong. Which is why I say these actions, regardless of the circumstances, is because a result of own Mamako's insecurities, not Masato's. This is why I criticise Mamako.

Secondly, when the party was at the inn and everyone was deciding how to split the rooms. Masato refused to bunk with Mamako, which is his fault, and settled on bunking with Porta next, however she was worried she might assault her. He embarrassingly denies it, and she even agrees, because she believed Masato agreed and believes that her son "does not have the courage to assault a cute girl sleeping defenselessly next to him.” But guess what? She decides to sleep with Porta instead, because Mamako knew that Masato liked Porta more than Wise, so she prevented it by having him bunk with Wise instead.


Masato's 'emasculation' is nothing more than insecurity which is the result of his own inability to actually talk things out with his own mom and his lack of priorities when it comes to her. Maybe just maybe, he wouldn't feel the need to compete with her if he... you know... talked to her about things like team coordination, keeping everyone engaged in a quest ect, you know... the basics of rpg's that mamako knows nothing about that for some reason he hasn't gone over with her because muh i have to be the hero? Maybe he could define his own worth based on himself and not in comparison to his mom? you know like collector girl in the party does?

And how do you propose he do that? I agree that talking is the major problem, but he can't even do anything in the party when he is completely useless. The few times he is able to talk is only with Wise, which Mamako denied twice. Both Wise, Porta, and especially Mamako all contribute to the party except for him. With the checks and balances in place, he has no control over anything.


This is not to say that the blame falls solely on masato either, as mamako doesn't know how to connect with masato. But unlike masato, she is actually trying to do so in spite of her complete lack of knowledge on this setting. Maybe she would get somewhere if he were to open up about how he feels uncomfortable around his mom because of her looks... but she can't force him to do that. That's the area where masato needs to man up as it's all on him.

I'd agree, but he can't control how Mamako acts when he isn't around. I'm not trying to blame everything on Mamako, believe me. But when she used the Terra Sword, because she was insecure about Wise and Masato becoming closer together I call her out on it.


also
THIS. the sole reason for the game is the former, not the latter. it's the whole reason they are there and why it was made, in case you missed the several times in the novel where this was said. they don't need to enjoy the game in the same way that you don't need to enjoy therapy.

Yes, but the game was designed from the ground up for something that both the Masato and Mamako can enjoy together. It is an integral part for them to have something to bond over. They cannot get closer in a vacuum, hence why they are so distant in the first place. They have to find something in common in order to make progress, which both you and Tenzen are trivializing. They have to interact together in some way or shape, which the game/adventure provides. They cannot bond any other way, with how the story is setup.

And yes, please provide evidence where in the story it is mentioned several times, because I'd be willing to listen, but so far you have not provided anything to change my mind or provide a compelling argument.

[Elestia]

Vague? Masato very unvaguely told Mamako off if you don't remember. Do you need citations? I can provide.

Sure, we were told it's for fun... by unreliable troll Shirase and from beginning it's obvious much more things are kept hidden or are mere half truths. I really don't have clue why would anyone take that at face of value.

I said you are being vague, not Masato. Please in your own words point me to where, as you said, "the imbalances in the game" help Masato address the problem?

Except we have four different sources telling us the same thing. They state it several time, which I quoted as evidence, that they need to adventure together to bond, but then you discredit Shirase, the King NPC, Mamako, and Wise who all say the same thing. You are the only one saying its not true without providing any evidence. So please cite your evidence.

Either way once Mamako understand she need give Masato some space, learn to trust her son judgement and Masato stop being tsun tsun all time, they will be able enjoy adventure together no matter how screwed mechanics are. don't know how to convince you otherwise.

But Mamako can't give Masato space. That's my entire point. With the way the game is setup along with how Mamako has been acting so far, only Mamako is enjoying being with Masato.

[Tenzen12]

King and Shirase are single unreliable source. They represent "game company". Mamako posses second hand information ... from Shirase slash King.

And Wise never said it's meant to be enjoyed, she said game purpose is "get intimate with parent" She never specified form it is supposed happen.

Eitherway bonding while adventuring sound abound right, because you don't need bond over enjoyable things only. Couple therapy is not always pleasant thing.

Masato told Mamako off, because he snapped, he snapped because Mamako didn't gave him enough space to realize himself, Mamako didn't give him space realize himself because game mechanics allowed do everything out of her own power better than he ever could. This game escalated her fatal flaw into extend it couldn't be ignored anymore. If you have at least average intelligence you can realise that much without need spelling it out by just giving it thought. So please try do it next time.

[KnightShade]

@elestia
Then you are simply not using that word correctly. refer to this https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emasculate

says i didn't read what he says, literally does the same.

so masato can't plead his case to convince her otherwise because of the mommy check system? and mamako is completely incapable of listening to his pleas because of said system? because if you go on further past that passage, the exact opposite was shown to be the case.

You dont know what a dictatorship is do you? by that logic the elective branch is a dictatorship because it has the potential to override congress via veto. again, wise is the best example of how quickly masato can sway positions to his benefit if he simply put his foot done. The system cant force him to play with mamako otherwise Wise wouldn't be here.

That's only a part of it, not the whole story. Did you miss the part where she lectured Wise prior to letting her in the party based on info provided to her from masato? he judged Wise based on a gut feeling, and when it turned out be on the mark, mamako addressed it. And while her insecurity resulted in intervening those situations, she has a basis to not trust Wise around masato based on behavior Wise herself demonstrated to her in person. is she over stepping her boundraries? sure, but i wouldn't exactly blame a mother for being protective around a girl who just tried to have her adopt her to avoid making up with her mom. that type of influence is counterproductive to the reason mamako set all this up.

the problem with that are these following quotes

“Mom does not mind sharing the room with Wise-chan......however, if that were to happen......”

“Mom’s a little worried......Maa-kun also seems to be quite interested in Porta-chan......and Porta-chan is......”

it's a lose lose situation for her and yet she trusted him around Wise more than Porta despite being aware that he seems to be gelling with Wise as well.

i'd like to remind you that your calling masato useless on the basis of one fight. you must have really hated kazuma from konosuba early on huh... in fact this whole argument is reminding me of people who though kazuma sucked in the beginning and look how that turned out... We all thought Wise was useless too and yet look how they beat the slime. anyone who has played RPG's knows that there is no one DPS build that can solo clear everything. masato will get his time to shine especially since his knowledge of these games is the highest of the group. he also has the highest learning curve so he will grow faster than mamako, it's only a matter of time.

I'd like to point out that in both those cases, her intervention didn't prevent them from actually bonding, especially the second time. I'd call it cutting it short at most. but yes, she does need to better trust masato around other girls. but at the same time masato has to focus on repairing his relationship with mamako in order for her to get that. She can't improve if he doesn't or refuses to actually meet her halfway and talk things out.

they do have to interact together, that we all agree on. i just dont agree that masato needs to be on the exact same playing field in terms of game balance in order to accomplish this. he completely blocks his mom out IRL, and now the game is forcing him to be on the opposite spectrum where now he has to interact with her to get things across. are both ends of the spectrum fair? no, and that's the point here. by reversing the current dynamics, masato in this game is now subject to the very behavior he engages in IRL.

as for quotes see this

[Q: Will you become more intimate with your mother if you go on an adventure with her?]

【MMMMMORPG(temp) Participation Registration Form】

A booklet with such a title was placed before Mamako.

“This is......then, my application has been accepted!?”

“Yes. I judged that the mother and son of Oosuki household have fulfilled the condition for participating in this project. Therefore I will acknowledge your participation......Then, without further ado, please prepare.”

“Where is the strategy......the countermeasure for when my hero son dislikes adventuring together......”

“As if such a pinpoint strategy will be written on it. What do you think that guide book is?”

“【Knowing that your normal attack is all target double attack, your son will be delighted. You will be hugging each other as you adventure together】 was written on it, but it’s all lies! Maa-kun is not a tiny bit happy at all!”

“B-But......it is better not to talk about everything at first......adventuring together, accumulating various encounters, then realizing it yourself based on those is better......”

“......Sorry. Mom is not sure what and how to explain it. Shirase-san and others also have various circumstances, so mom doesn’t know how much she should say.”



“Why have our mothers accompanied us......that’s because, this game is MMMMMORPG, so......in other words, [Mama no、 Mama ni yoru、 Mama no tame no、 Mama to、Musuko moshikuwa Musume ga、Ōini nakayoku naru tame no、RPG] is the reason!”
(TL note: Mama’s, with Mama, for Mama’s sake, Mama and son/daughter, to get along better, RPG)

“This game was made for the sake of having parents and children adventure together and become more intimate. Hence the parents and children are transported together as a group, and then go on an adventure together......I don’t know how exactly was this game made and the details regarding it, but......I have confirmed one thing.”

“You cannot return to the original world if you don’t satisfy the clear condition of this game.”

“Oi oi, you serious? I never heard about this rule......Then, what is the clear condition?”

That condition was?

“For parent and child to become more intimate.”

“Good grief! Me too, when I was suddenly brought here and mama told me about this, I was so astonished that I went white-eyed! Even my snot dripped out!”



let me add that the entire criteria for selection of this game was the survey in the prologue. Shirase implied here that the only reason the adventure part exists is because

“......Based on the survey conducted by the Cabinet Office, we concluded that many users who had played online games have wishes of ‘actually entering the game world’. Does Masato also wish for it?”

In conclusion, the adventure exists as plot devise in order to force the endgame condition to happen.

[Elestia]

King and Shirase are single unreliable source. They represent "game company". Mamako posses second hand information ... from Shirase slash King.

And Wise never said it's meant to be enjoyed, she said game purpose is "get intimate with parent" She never specified form it is supposed happen.

Oh my lord. SHE. SAYS. IT. RIGHT. HERE. TWICE.

“This game was made for the sake of having parents and children adventure together and become more intimate.

Hence the parents and children are transported together as a group, and then go on an adventure together......I don’t know how exactly was this game made and the details regarding it, but......I have confirmed one thing.”

Do you need her to say it three times before you actually understand? If you have a basic understanding of cause and effect, you would not have said something so stupid as "She never specified form it is supposed happen". Because she does. TWICE.


Eitherway bonding while adventuring sound abound right, because you don't need bond over enjoyable things only. Couple therapy is not always pleasant thing.

So you are agreeing that adventuring is is necessary for them to bond then? You are agreeing that adventuring together is what Shirase, the king, Mamako, and wise have been saying all along? That to get more intimate, adventuring together "sounds about right"? I'm glad that we agree. Because that is what I have been constantly arguing this whole time. Parent and child get closer by playing the game is how it's supposed to happen. Just two posts ago you said this:

Goal is "improve relationship between parent and child". Full stop. We don't know HOW is that supposed happen.

Which is it? To adventure together? Or not? Please make up your mind.

sato told Mamako off, because he snapped, he snapped because Mamako didn't gave him enough space to realize himself, Mamako didn't give him space realize himself because game mechanics allowed do everything out of her own power better than he ever could. This game escalated her fatal flaw into extend it couldn't be ignored anymore. If you have at least average intelligence you can realise that much without need spelling it out by just giving it thought. So please try do it next time.

Do you even remember what you typed before rambling incoherently about your points? I asked you to show proof about "the imbalance on the game", which you stated below:


Goal is "improve relationship between parent and child". Full stop. We don't know HOW is that supposed happen. It's this imbalance that allowed Masato finally address problem and if that lead to catharsis, it means project succeeded. Which may be plan a along.

I ask you how it helps Masato finally address the problem, but you just proved my point. IT. DOES. NOT.

Thank you for your effort. It saves me a lot of time trying to convince you, because we agree.

[Elestia]

@elestia
Then you are simply not using that word correctly. refer to this https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emasculate

says i didn't read what he says, literally does the same.

No, this is me not using the word correctly, which I corrected early on. It's not my fault you didn't pay attention and forgot about it. So again, it's you not reading and remembering what I said, not the other way around.


so masato can't plead his case to convince her otherwise because of the mommy check system? and mamako is completely incapable of listening to his pleas because of said system?

Sure, he can plead his case and Mamako can reject it. Guess who wins if that happens? Mamako. She has absolute power over the selection process. You are being too optimistic about it. And you know what they say about giving a person absolute power. They become corrupted. Unable to stop abusing their powers and begin justifying it.

because if you go on further past that passage, the exact opposite was shown to be the case.

You mean the part where Mamako used the Mommy Check System, rejected the thief girl, and tried to get her arrested but Masato manage to convince her otherwise? If not, please provide your citation.


You dont know what a dictatorship is do you? by that logic the elective branch is a dictatorship because it has the potential to override congress via veto. again, wise is the best example of how quickly masato can sway positions to his benefit if he simply put his foot done. The system cant force him to play with mamako otherwise Wise wouldn't be here.

What part of complete control do you not understand? You are talking about executive branch, because there is no such thing as an elective branch in government. I'll explain it.

There are three branches of government: judicial, executive, and legislative (congress). They have these things in place called the "checks and balances", which the main objective is to prevent one branch from wielding too much power over the others. How does any of that sound like a dictatorship to you? I have no idea.

On the other hand, a dictator is, and I quote from dictionary.com, "a person exercising absolute power, especially a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession. " So yes, Mamako is in a position of power similar to a dictatorship given to her by the system.

Masato isn't another branch of a government. He is a citizen under a dictatorship.
Yes. Masato CAN plead his case to Mamako. Just like how a citizen can plead with the dictator. Who knows? Maybe it's a benevolent dictator. But that citizen is at the mercy of the dictator, or as I said before, a whim. This is both laughable as a system, and for you to suggest Masato only has to plead with Mamako. And guess what kind of lives do citizens under a dictatorship live like? Hint: It's not pretty.


That's only a part of it, not the whole story. Did you miss the part where she lectured Wise prior to letting her in the party based on info provided to her from masato? he judged Wise based on a gut feeling, and when it turned out be on the mark, mamako addressed it.

Citation needed and clarification need. She lectures wise on reconciling with her mother, but decided to have her join the party as a member, not a daughter. How exactly does Mamako address it?


And while her insecurity resulted in intervening those situations, she has a basis to not trust Wise around masato based on behavior Wise herself demonstrated to her in person. is she over stepping her boundraries? sure, but i wouldn't exactly blame a mother for being protective around a girl who just tried to have her adopt her to avoid making up with her mom. that type of influence is counterproductive to the reason mamako set all this up.

You can't exactly blame her for the first time, but you can blame her the second time when Wise became depressed after seeing how powerful Mamako was. She sat down on the ground nearby and Masato came to check up on her. Even though the situation was quite harmless and quite a nice moment for the both of them to bond, Mamako still used her ability to break it up. What if Mamako continues abusing the ability? What happens if she used it because it was Porta and Masato alone together. Do you not see how much risk it is for Mamako to let insecurities get the better of her and continue to abuse the powers given to her by system?

If the positions were flipped and Masato had all the powers and did the same thing with her mom. You bet your ass I would slam him as hard as I am slamming Mamako.


the problem with that are these following quotes

“Mom does not mind sharing the room with Wise-chan......however, if that were to happen......”

“Mom’s a little worried......Maa-kun also seems to be quite interested in Porta-chan......and Porta-chan is......”
it's a lose lose situation for her and yet she trusted him around Wise more than Porta despite being aware that he seems to be gelling with Wise as well.

i'd like to remind you that your calling masato useless on the basis of one fight. you must have really hated kazuma from konosuba early on huh... in fact this whole argument is reminding me of people who though kazuma sucked in the beginning and look how that turned out...

It was two fights. The first time they fought outside the town because they had no money. The second time was with the slime in the cave. Both times Masato was useless and became depressed because Mamako overpowered everything.

I also never said I hated Masato because he was powerless. I hated how the system and Mamako make him powerless. Also, Kazuma doesn't put with the bullshit he has to deal with from his equally if not more useless party of Darkness, Megumin, or god forbid Aqua. He actually confronts everyone about their flaws and shoves it in their face with no shame whatsover and they do so as well. He actually has a healthy relationship with his entire party unlike Masato and Mamako.


We all thought Wise was useless too and yet look how they beat the slime. anyone who has played RPG's knows that there is no one DPS build that can solo clear everything. masato will get his time to shine especially since his knowledge of these games is the highest of the group. he also has the highest learning curve so he will grow faster than mamako, it's only a matter of time.

I'd like to point out that in both those cases, her intervention didn't prevent them from actually bonding, especially the second time. I'd call it cutting it short at most. but yes, she does need to better trust masato around other girls. but at the same time masato has to focus on repairing his relationship with mamako in order for her to get that. She can't improve if he doesn't or refuses to actually meet her halfway and talk things out.

they do have to interact together, that we all agree on. i just dont agree that masato needs to be on the exact same playing field in terms of game balance in order to accomplish this. he completely blocks his mom out IRL, and now the game is forcing him to be on the opposite spectrum where now he has to interact with her to get things across. are both ends of the spectrum fair? no, and that's the point here. by reversing the current dynamics, masato in this game is now subject to the very behavior he engages in IRL.

as for quotes see this

[Q: Will you become more intimate with your mother if you go on an adventure with her?]

【MMMMMORPG(temp) Participation Registration Form】

A booklet with such a title was placed before Mamako.

“This is......then, my application has been accepted!?”

“Yes. I judged that the mother and son of Oosuki household have fulfilled the condition for participating in this project. Therefore I will acknowledge your participation......Then, without further ado, please prepare.”

“Where is the strategy......the countermeasure for when my hero son dislikes adventuring together......”

“As if such a pinpoint strategy will be written on it. What do you think that guide book is?”

“【Knowing that your normal attack is all target double attack, your son will be delighted. You will be hugging each other as you adventure together】 was written on it, but it’s all lies! Maa-kun is not a tiny bit happy at all!”

“B-But......it is better not to talk about everything at first......adventuring together, accumulating various encounters, then realizing it yourself based on those is better......”

“......Sorry. Mom is not sure what and how to explain it. Shirase-san and others also have various circumstances, so mom doesn’t know how much she should say.”



“Why have our mothers accompanied us......that’s because, this game is MMMMMORPG, so......in other words, [Mama no、 Mama ni yoru、 Mama no tame no、 Mama to、Musuko moshikuwa Musume ga、Ōini nakayoku naru tame no、RPG] is the reason!”
(TL note: Mama’s, with Mama, for Mama’s sake, Mama and son/daughter, to get along better, RPG)

“This game was made for the sake of having parents and children adventure together and become more intimate. Hence the parents and children are transported together as a group, and then go on an adventure together......I don’t know how exactly was this game made and the details regarding it, but......I have confirmed one thing.”

“You cannot return to the original world if you don’t satisfy the clear condition of this game.”

“Oi oi, you serious? I never heard about this rule......Then, what is the clear condition?”

That condition was?

“For parent and child to become more intimate.”

“Good grief! Me too, when I was suddenly brought here and mama told me about this, I was so astonished that I went white-eyed! Even my snot dripped out!”



let me add that the entire criteria for selection of this game was the survey in the prologue. Shirase implied here that the only reason the adventure part exists is because

“......Based on the survey conducted by the Cabinet Office, we concluded that many users who had played online games have wishes of ‘actually entering the game world’. Does Masato also wish for it?”

In conclusion, the adventure exists as plot devise in order to force the endgame condition to happen.

I'm tired. Dead like. I have spent way too much time writing out responses, so I will just summarize my points.

I believe that it is dangerous who the game company to give so much power and support to the parent only. It disrupts the power balance in the relationship and creates and even bigger gap between them. If a child cannot make his own decisions and has no control, he will not be able to respect himself much less the parent. Therefore, the current system designed by the game company is flawed. At worst, too much power given to a parent without safeguards to prevent abuse will inevitably cause a deterioration between the parent and child. Both parties must come together as equals in order to truly bond and become more intimate.

[Tenzen12]

OK @Elestia I give up. I spelled everything out to you and if you are still not getting it up, it's your own fault. I recommend you to reread whole conversation from beginning until you became able understand on your own, because I am not gonna explain myself anymore.

[Elestia]

I know right? It's funny how putting a little effort in spelling out everything, ends up with you agreeing with all my points in the end.

You didn't know how a parent and child was supposed to bond? Turns out, unsurprisingly, as I, Shirase, Wise, the King NPC, and Mamako have all been saying from the very beginning, its by adventuring together. You even said, and I quote:

Eitherway bonding while adventuring sound abound right, because you don't need bond over enjoyable things only. Couple therapy is not always pleasant thing.

And when you made the point that:

It's this imbalance that allowed Masato finally address problem and if that lead to catharsis, it means project succeeded. Which may be plan a along.

Your literally turned 180 degrees in your argument and actually made the effort to support my point. That the imbalances of the system actually hurts Mamako and Masato's relationship with your next post.

sato told Mamako off, because he snapped, he snapped because Mamako didn't gave him enough space to realize himself, Mamako didn't give him space realize himself because game mechanics allowed do everything out of her own power better than he ever could. This game escalated her fatal flaw into extend it couldn't be ignored anymore. If you have at least average intelligence you can realise that much without need spelling it out by just giving it thought. So please try do it next time.

Do you see how much progress you have made? You grudgingly accepted in the end. I am proud of you.

[KnightShade]

I'm tired. Dead like. I have spent way too much time writing out responses, so I will just summarize my points.

I believe that it is dangerous who the game company to give so much power and support to the parent only. It disrupts the power balance in the relationship and creates and even bigger gap between them. If a child cannot make his own decisions and has no control, he will not be able to respect himself much less the parent. Therefore, the current system designed by the game company is flawed. At worst, too much power given to a parent without safeguards to prevent abuse will inevitably cause a deterioration between the parent and child. Both parties must come together as equals in order to truly bond and become more intimate.

as i feel the same way, allow me to do the same.

I believe that the game itself exists as a form of therapy, and that people can't come together as equals without understanding each other first. I don't entirely disagree with the crux of your point, as perhaps later on in the story the game can provide more balance as the relationship improves, but i believe that it is pivotal that masato realizes the parallels between how distant mom is to him in the game and how distant he is to her IRL. we may not agree that the game was made in a way that encourages that, but how this game will effect their relationship remains to be seen

so until then, i'll leave it at that.

[Tenzen12]

No it doesn't hurt their relationship. It helped them. So as I said: read it as many time you need until you finally get what the hell I am talking about as now you even starting putting words in my mouth.

Edit: alright I will try once last time explain certain basic concept. If you are unable get even this one you are lost cause.

-Ignoring problem = bad for relationship.
-Talking about problem = good for relationship.

[KnightShade]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-04-21/more-do-you-like-your-mom-light-novel-campaigns-ahead-of-mother-day/.115111

mom flavored candy :heh: my sides

[AB079]

^Jesus christ what the hell are they smoking?

Oh man now all we need to get is anime for okaa-san but I guess that's going to happen when v3 comes out.

[The 48th Ronin]

^Jesus christ what the hell are they smoking?

Well, this is Japan we're talking about. :heh:

[AP24]

What's surprising is that the campaigns they've been doing are actually working. The series only has 2 volumes and each volume is selling more than average.

[AB079]

What's surprising is that the campaigns they've been doing are actually working. The series only has 2 volumes and each volume is selling more than average.

Can you provide the current numbers please?

[AB079]

That's a lucky squid ffs.

http://i64.tinypic.com/of2h4j.jpg

[KnightShade]

^squids always know who best girls are

[Elestia]

That's a lucky squid ffs.

http://i64.tinypic.com/of2h4j.jpg

Highschool Girl and now School Swimsuit cosplay? The author knows his stuff. Blessed be Pochi Goya for his illustrations.

No it doesn't hurt their relationship. It helped them. So as I said: read it as many time you need until you finally get what the hell I am talking about as now you even starting putting words in my mouth.


So apparently using your owns words is now considered putting words in your mouth? Okay. Good to know. :uhoh:


Edit: alright I will try once last time explain certain basic concept. If you are unable get even this one you are lost cause.

-Ignoring problem = bad for relationship.
-Talking about problem = good for relationship.

Last post replying to you about this stupid argument, because your lack of critical thinking is too abhorrent for me to continue, so I'll just "put words in your mouth" one last time.

sato told Mamako off, because he snapped, he snapped because Mamako didn't gave him enough space to realize himself, Mamako didn't give him space realize himself because game mechanics allowed do everything out of her own power better than he ever could. This game escalated her fatal flaw into extend it couldn't be ignored anymore. If you have at least average intelligence you can realise that much without need spelling it out by just giving it thought. So please try do it next time

I'll just bold this part specifically again, because you still do not realize that the conclusion you reached, is the same as mine.

The game escalated her fatal flaw, right? Amplifying the fatal flaw of a person is the correct way to addressing the problem, right? If I am "putting words in your mouth", correctly, then an alcoholic going to an Alcoholic Anonymous meeting to have his fatal flaw be escalated, is the correct way to address his problem and recover from being an alcoholic?

As I "put words in your mouth" again:
No it doesn't hurt their relationship. It helped them.

Right? Is that correct? It helps their relationship? Not hurt their relationship, LIKE. I. HAVE. BEEN. SAYING. SINCE. THE. VERY. BEGINNING, right?

That's all I am going to say. Again, it is nice seeing you agree with me.

[Tenzen12]

Yeah, I am done here.

Though it seems you can eventually get there on your own. Good luck.

[AB079]

Just finished chapter 4, oh man that was a really good chapter.

Finally Mamako and Masato started to understand each other without going into much trouble or stretching the drama even further. There are obviously some other issues between them but their relationship is going pretty well and Mamako is reaching a point where she can understand Masato's feelings, there is a long way tho.

Man that onsen scene, Mamako truly is a goddess. Ironically Wise forgive Masato from punishment after seeing her completely naked.

Finally Wise's mother.... what I can say, she's a piece of shit. Now jumping right into chapter 5.

-----------------------------

Ch 5 - Epilogue - Final thoughts

Let's begin with the details.

Wise's real name is Genya and her mother's name is Kazuno. At first after ch 4 she was really a shitty mother and not in a funny way, then on ch 5 we know what really happened.

What happened here is that we were able to see both sides of the coin, one side with Mamako and the other one with Kazuno, both sharing the same feelings but in this case Kazuno lost the feeling she used to have for Wise as her daughter, something that only a mother knows and Mamako was the one who helped to remind that feeling. Loved the way how the author executed this topic because you can really understand the idea behind the final fight between Mamako and Kazuno. Every family has their own issues after all.

The doubts about this first volume regarding the main point of "mother & son" relationship are completely gone, Mamako is truly a good character and Masato too I have to say, we can see how little by little their relationship improved reaching a point were we can see the difference between the beginning and the end of volume 1.

Is a simple Light Novel with lots of fun, jokes and MMORPG themes related but what's more important is how good and well done is the story, especially what the whole idea of a mother brings to this story, to be honest is refreshing.

What really got me this time was this part of the Epilogue, for... let's say... reasons.

[Q: Will you become more intimate with your mother if you go on an adventure with her?]


Before these days began, that question was asked in the survey.

What answer would he have written now?

“......Probably? Not like I would know.”

In the end, he mumbled those words that were not different from before his adventure had begun.

With a smile on his face that even he himself did not notice, Masato chased after his mother’s back.

[KnightShade]

^Nice write up, pretty much covers my thoughts as well.

Really enjoyed this novel, it takes a lot for me to get into an isekai and this one delivers in terms of offering a unique dynamic.

[Tenzen12]

Technically it's VMMORPG instead of Isekai, but yeah it was fun

[Elestia]

Definitely got the resolution I really wanted between Masato and Mamako. They didn't stretch it out any longer and resolved it along with Wise's relationship with Kazuno as well.

Kazuno played a fitting role as the final demon boss, mirroring Mamako's own role as the heroic mother. The theme of a mother's unconditional love along with the inseparable bond of mother and child take center stage in the end. While Kazuno wasn't a good person to begin with, she actually became worse when she got drunk off the cheats was given and started abusing it. She still isn't a good person by the end, but I guess her relationship with Wise is better..... maybe? It makes me think how Wise interacted with her mother before. She didn't seem like one who would keep her mouth shut.

The epilogue really felt like the end of the entire series, rather than the end of the first volume. Although, I wasn't quite expecting the author to fix Masato and Mamako's relationship so quickly. Thankfully, there are some loose end regarding to Porta and her mother, Shirase's own daughter, and the conspiracy between Kazuno and the outsider within the Cabinet Office.

Speaking of loose ends, the ending conflict revealed some interesting information regarding the project and the outsider interfering with the project. Rather than dealing with another OP mother, the stakes in the final confrontation ended up a lot more dramatic than I would have guessed. The revelation that someone outside the project, who has ties with the Cabinet Office, was the pulling the strings behind the cheating tool and manipulating Kazuno was surprising. Not too sure how things will pan out though, now that the possibility of dying in the game was briefly mentioned by Shirase.

Things are kind of ambiguous at the moment though. Obviously, players who die just turn into coffins until someone resurrects them, but apparently if the computer in which they dived into the game gets destroyed, physical harm may befall the player's body? How the heck does that work?

Definitely interesting, will continue reading.

[KnightShade]

^ it was mentioned that this series was initially a one off but the massive success got the publisher to extend it. Ironic given the SAO-ish vibes we're getting with these hanging plots.

[Elestia]

Ah, I guess that explains why it felt a little incongruous. Not sure if that kind of SAO-ish development works with a rom-com, but who knows.

[sparhawk1610]

Just finished Vol 1 and I must say, that I really enjoy this one. It is a breath of fresh air. Interaction with Mamako is good and I enjoy the comedy part of the story.

[AB079]

Hmm I guess Frozen is gonna do v2 too right?

[sparhawk1610]

Hmm I guess Frozen is gonna do v2 too right?

I hope so. It was already released isn´t?

[Prongs]

Mamaaaa.. well I love milf... Mamako is my waifu now..

[Tenzen12]

Your waifu? Get in line!

[sparhawk1610]

A pretty long line :heh:

[AB079]

Anyone knows if there is any news regarding volume 3?

[AB079]

Here I leave volume 2 illustrations, tell me if you guys can see them.

http://imgur.com/a/orPc3

[Ultragunner]

......is she trying to kill us all with blood loss??? *nosebleed*
:love:

[sparhawk1610]

Ohh my, Pochi knows how to draw a woman :heh:

[KnightShade]

That first wise pic tho....

[AB079]

^Wise really need some meat because compared to Medhi she lose by a big margin.

I have the feeling that Wise will end with Masato in the future.

[sparhawk1610]

^Wise really need some meat because compared to Medhi she lose by a big margin.

I have the feeling that Wise will end with Masato in the future.

Well, when you look on vol 1 story and illustrations of vol 2, there is a possibility, but we will see.
(Mamako best girl :heh:)

[The 48th Ronin]

Just finished the Afterword.

The editor thinks this story is an​ innovative idea? :heh:

[KnightShade]

^Wise really need some meat because compared to Medhi she lose by a big margin.

I have the feeling that Wise will end with Masato in the future.

Perfectly cool with that just dont do what konosuba did and let it detract from the focus of the novel. The last thing this series needs is a string of bad romcom volumes...

[sparhawk1610]

Perfectly cool with that just dont do what konosuba did and let it detract from the focus of the novel. The last thing this series is a string of bad romcom volumes...

Well, I have nothing against that too. I just hope that author will develop her character a bit better, because this archetype tsundere character is a bit boring. (But well, I read just the first volume, so there is still time for improvements.)
(I don´t really agree about Konosuba, but well, different ppl, different taste.)

[KnightShade]

^i want her to change too, but the example i used is the type of change i want to avoid; the one where instead of the character actually changing for the better, the perception of the character has changed to the point where her faults are passed off as endearing while making the MC a hypocritical and unreliable narrator.

if it were me i wouldn't want ships in this series period as it's not the hook here, mamako is. but if it has to happen, do it right and keep it to the side.

[AB079]

Masato having someone he likes or maybe a relationship would be another element that can be developed alongside the parenting theme, after all one of the jobs as a mother/father is to look after their kids when they start that "new" path of having a girlfriend or boyfriend, giving them advice or helping them in the dark times of those relationships.

I don't mind if the author does not explore that aspect because the story's core is basically the idea of "family" and the issues related to that which are being explored with the comedy and MMORPG elements of the LN.

@The 48th Ronin You should try to think a bit more why is an innovation, is not that hard to notice.

[sparhawk1610]

^i want her to change too, but the example i used is the type of change i want to avoid; the one where instead of the character actually changing for the better, the perception of the character has changed to the point where her faults are passed off as endearing while making the MC a hypocritical and unreliable narrator.

if it were me i wouldn't want ships in this series period as it's not the hook here, mamako is. but if it has to happen, do it right and keep it to the side.

@Kidstandout Well, she will be still tsundere, but she needs to learn be honest with herself. You know, keep the act all the time is really boring. I would like to see the parts where she drops her mask. So I don´t agree that only perception of the character is enough, there should be some changes inside character too.(but not a big one) That is what I mean before. But it was just volume 1, so there is still plenty of time. (Like when she comes ask him to go with her to confront her mother, also one of the illustrations of vol 2 shows that some scene like that happen there.)

@AB079 Well, I can imagine that idea of a romantic relationship with girl alongside with "family" idea and issues related to that, I think it will suit well. (I know that Mamako route is out of the question :D)

[KnightShade]

Well yeah thats what im saying.

[sparhawk1610]

Well yeah thats what im saying.

Well, from what have you said before, I understand that you will prefer that people around her change their point of view about her, instead change of her character itself, that is why I react that this is not enough and there should be even some character change, but not a big one. :heh:

But nvm, maybe I just misunderstood it. I would like to know more about that new girl, what sort of character she is, maybe AB or someone know something?

[KnightShade]

Well, from what have you said before, I understand that you will prefer that people around her change their point of view about her, instead change of her character itself, that is why I react that this is not enough and there should be even some character change, but not a big one. :heh:

But nvm, maybe I just misunderstood it. I would like to know more about that new girl, what sort of character she is, maybe AB or someone know something?

yup you did :heh:

but yeah, hope fully the new girl and her mom are cool

[sparhawk1610]

yup you did :heh:

but yeah, hope fully the new girl and her mom are cool

They are cool from what I know. But I look for new info. Also, from what I know, we will wait for some time for vol 2 translation...sadly

[KnightShade]

Glad to see japan is loving this series, ANN said sales are at 100k

[Ultragunner]

If it is already popular, then hopefully an anime is coming "soon"?

This series would make an excellent one for the lol :heh:

[sparhawk1610]

If it is already popular, then hopefully an anime is coming "soon"?

This series would make an excellent one for the lol :heh:

Hmm Mamako in anime, approved! :heh:

[Tenzen12]

Yeah, can't wait for twelve episodes of derpy QUALITY Mamako with twelve fingers one bigger boob:heh:

[sparhawk1610]

Yeah, can't wait for twelve episodes of derpy QUALITY Mamako with twelve fingers one bigger boob:heh:

It depends from the studio and budget. If I will be pessimist like this, I will watch really not much anime :heh:

[AB079]

Uhhhh...

http://i66.tinypic.com/a9ls85.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/2mo83r7.jpg

Also regarding a possible adaptation, if IMS or Xebec pick the LN then we're fucked.

[Gundam Meister]

Is that implying that volume 1 of Ane Naru Mono and Volumes 1 and 2 of this series have reached 100k sales ? because is so that's amazing

[AP24]

Actually the two volumes haven't sold 100k yet, it means there are 100k copies in circulation. But the two volumes probably have sold 50k total already which is still amazing. This is guaranteed to get an anime.

[sparhawk1610]

Uhhhh...

http://i66.tinypic.com/a9ls85.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/2mo83r7.jpg

Also regarding a possible adaptation, if IMS or Xebec pick the LN then we're fucked.

Nice! Pochi´s illustrations are awesome as always :heh:

[Ultragunner]

Uhhhh...

http://i66.tinypic.com/a9ls85.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/2mo83r7.jpg

Also regarding a possible adaptation, if IMS or Xebec pick the LN then we're fucked.
"f*cked" as in we will die of nosebleed? :heh:

[The 48th Ronin]

"f*cked" as in we will die of nosebleed? :heh:

It means the animation will suck big time.

[Ultragunner]

Aye, but Keijo was pretty good though :p

As long as they don't mind playing the "joke" in Okaa-san, then I'm cool haha :heh:

[AB079]

Next volume is coming out on august 19. Can't wait to see moreof this.

[AB079]

From Twitter.

https://preview.ibb.co/eZtZ75/twittfix.png

[The One Above God]

^Maybe Mamako is a descendant of Yuu and Chiyo :heh:.

[sparhawk1610]

Well, that Mamako is always so sexy :heh:
http://imgur.com/a/m93Qn

[AB079]

Well, that Mamako is always so sexy :heh:
http://imgur.com/a/m93Qn

Oh shit, haven't seen those thanks man.

[sparhawk1610]

Oh shit, haven't seen those thanks man.

I did buy vol 3 but I will read it after dal 17 and akashic vol 9

[Ultragunner]

Well, that Mamako is always so sexy :heh:
http://imgur.com/a/m93Qn
God blesses ya :D
....
....and Mamako too of course :heh:

Seriously, do we even have romance element in this series? Because Mamako is best girl, yet at the same time she technically isn't, or dare I say "shouldn't"? :heh:

[AB079]

Okay, so the 4th illustration there introduce a new character named "Amante", she's one of the 4 celestial kings of the Ribele organizartion, also she opposes the mothers.

[Tenzen12]

What a wane effort:heh:

I just wish vol.2 got translated...

[u2L2rQ]

look what I've found its korean scans and its protected so i can't see the manga

http://marumaru.in/quickimage/85d984968f1f2c38701dc70f7d698236.jpg

[AB079]

JESUS CHRIST

The manga adaptation seems quite decent but rushed at the same time. I'll make a manga thread in a bit.

https://preview.ibb.co/fqHKjQ/jjjjjjjjjj.jpg

[AB079]

Volume 4 will come out in January 2018.

[AB079]

Some of volume 4 illustrations, new characters and mamako gambler. Also some bad stuff too... TL's were dropped.

https://preview.ibb.co/fBAvRw/19619260_579444649057834_2063731501_o.jpg
https://preview.ibb.co/m0K0tb/26996182_579445575724408_698553759_n.jpghttps://preview.ibb.co/f1zGYb/DS8gg_IHU8_AAg_L_Y.jpg

[AP24]

Akiba blog has posted pics from Vol 4. Here's one of them.

http://cloud.akibablog.net/2018/jan/22/okaasan/107.jpg

"Father, mother...your son is about to have his first experience and become a man."

Hey MC, you do realize it's your mother that you're about to have your first experience with? :heh:

There's also this pic. Further shows that she's the best mom in LN. :D

http://cloud.akibablog.net/2018/jan/22/okaasan/109.jpg

[Tenzen12]

Honestly, why would anyone waste time on Rakudai JKishi or Last Embryo instead of translating such gem as Okasan. Hope some group will pick it soon.

[AB079]

I really hope that someone pick the LN again, is so sad that Frozen's group decided to drop it but at least we still have the manga.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Honestly, why would anyone waste time on Rakudai JKishi or Last Embryo instead of translating such gem as Okasan. Hope some group will pick it soon.

Although I'm also anxious for the next Okaa-san volume, as my pic implies, I'm more of a Mondaiji/Last Embryo fan, but I wouldn't mind if Frozen and his team paused for some time the translations of Last Embryo to do Okaa-san(after finishing LE volume 4 of course, I need more Azi Dahaka xD)

Now Rakudai....I'm a big fan too, but I want more Okaa-san at the moment than more Rakudai.

[Kadmos1]

@AP24: does this series' MC actually have an incestous episode with Mom or is just a family bath/shower?

[AB079]

@Kadmos1 Is just Mamako washing Masato's hair in the bathroom, then suddenly her boobs touch his back so he ask if she's naked, Mamamko say yes because otherwise she will get wet too.

Basically is just the obvious family stuff, but some people like to take it out of context.

[Kiyoe]

Okaasan 4 illustrations
https://imgur.com/a/6idyT

[Kiyoe]

VOLUME 5 IT IS GOING TO RELEASE IT IN THE SPRING 2018

https://i.imgur.com/Y3mebqO.jpg

[Xftg123]

YES. I'm also quite surprised with how fast this series is releasing and selling. Hopefully an anime adaptation announcement comes to us soon.

Oh, and also, Pochi's actually a woman, not a man.

[AB079]

Constant releases and enough content for an anime, maybe that will happen in the future.

I just want this to get picked up again.

[Kiyoe]

Tsujou Kougeki ga Zentai Kougeki de 2-kai Kougeki no Okaasan wa Suki desu ka? 5 cover preview.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZgnBCtWAAAwDCD.jpg

[LKK]

Another light Novel licensed, goodbye translations :uhoh:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-03-31/yen-press-licenses-hakumei-and-mikochi-chio-school-road-manga-do-you-like-your-mom-light-novels/.129765
Thread prefix has been updated to Licensed. All rules regarding licensed material are now in effect. Thank you for the update.

[kampfer91]

Well , there goes another novel that won't appear in my country for eternity ....

[Tenzen12]

Well, it might be better this way. After all it didn't look like anyone going pick up translation after first volume. As far as I am concerned better official route then non at all.

[kampfer91]

Better for those who actually access to the licensed novels that is .

What is the point of licensing a novel and not sell it all over the world .

[Tenzen12]

In my country there are no LN sold at all and manga takoubons are in it's beginning. But there is still Amazon, Book depository or you know... web sites with downloadable content.

Of course I don't recommend looking for sites where you can download both licensed and not licensed novels alike without regard of copyrights at all, that would piracy and very bad thing.

[sparhawk1610]

https://imgur.com/a/mzvZp vol 5 Illus

[Ultragunner]

^ thank you :D

OP mom is OP with maxed out stats :heh:

[sparhawk1610]

This volume increased the amount of sexy girls by a huge amount, god bless pochi. Volume 6 will be released on summer 2018 so the author is pretty constant with the releases.

This is my favorite, damn! Masato really has a hard time.
http://i66.tinypic.com/14uyk5t.jpg

The last page tho, Mamako swears eternal love / Masato getting married!? mamako getting married too!?

Ehm, did you just mistake kiss at the end as a marriage? :heh:

[sparhawk1610]

No, is actually that not kiss, 99% sure. On the right is the part about mamako, on the left the marriage thing.

You mean illus? Cuz I was talking about how the vol ends, not about the illus.

[KnightShade]

You mean illus? Cuz I was talking about how the vol ends, not about the illus.

can you ellaborate? wincest?

[Tenzen12]

I doubt so. Author is huge tease, so it would be twist if it was exactly as it sound:heh:

Well, we can still dream, though.

[sparhawk1610]

https://imgur.com/a/1xfvRbA vol 6

[AP24]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-10-21/do-you-love-your-mom-and-her-two-hit-multi-target-attacks-light-novels-get-tv-anime/.138439

It's finally getting an anime!

[Sacredus]

Uhhhh...

http://i66.tinypic.com/a9ls85.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/2mo83r7.jpg

Also regarding a possible adaptation, if IMS or Xebec pick the LN then we're fucked.
https://twitter.com/pkjd818/status/1053909896926621697
Director: Yoshiaki Iwasaki
Series Comp: Deko Akao
Chara Design: Yohei Yaegashi
Music: Keiji Inai
Studio: J.C.STAFF
Cast:
Masato Osuki (CV: Haruki Ishiya)
Mamako Osuki (CV: Ai Kayano)

Official site of anime: https://okaasan-online.com/
So studio is safe but...this director worked on ZnT F so...

[nkuroo]

can anyone tell me vol 6 summary?

[sparhawk1610]

https://imgur.com/a/e8F0A51 vol 7 illust

[sparhawk1610]

https://imgur.com/a/3vPYO7F vol 8 illust

[Kuroageha]

No info for the anime so far I guess.

[Kibo]

After reading the Manga (and LN), seeing the anime PV, the various sites talking about this series, and reading these discussions, I question if there is really any romance whatsoever. Particularly, the bond between Mamako and Masato (as strange and weird it is).

In fact, it's kinda like the relationship between the two main characters (Shiina and Ayaka) in the series "Sunohara-sou no Kanrinin-san". There's lots of fan service between the two, but the relationship is "questionable/debatable" on whether it's truly romance genre worthy.

Like, while it does "Seem" (or be interpreted) to be romance, it's also debatable that it's mostly likely more "familial".

I at least wish to know if there really IS romance or just incest tease.

[Kadmos1]

After reading the Manga (and LN), seeing the anime PV, the various sites talking about this series, and reading these discussions, I question if there is really any romance whatsoever. Particularly, the bond between Mamako and Masato (as strange and weird it is).

In fact, it's kinda like the relationship between the two main characters (Shiina and Ayaka) in the series "Sunohara-sou no Kanrinin-san". There's lots of fan service between the two, but the relationship is "questionable/debatable" on whether it's truly romance genre worthy.

Like, while it does "Seem" (or be interpreted) to be romance, it's also debatable that it's mostly likely more "familial".

I at least wish to know if there really IS romance or just incest tease.
Though I have not read the light novels yet, from reviews I have read about this series is that it is more more of a familial love. It could be a case of that familial love being written in a way that gives off (intended or not) an incest-baiting slant.

[Kibo]

can anyone tell me vol 6 summary?

Agree, since there is no LN translation (or any recent ones), I like to know too.

[matt619]

Can anyone tell who this is? from it's name look like she's kind of personality split from Mamako

https://i.imgur.com/dXGlALU.jpg

[Kazu-kun]

Can anyone tell who this is? from it's name look like she's kind of personality split from Mamako

https://i.imgur.com/dXGlALU.jpg

That's Hahako, the personification of the game itself. It took the form of Mamako because she's considered the ideal mother.

[matt619]

That's Hahako, the personification of the game itself. It took the form of Mamako because she's considered the ideal mother.


oh thanks i thought she's evil version of Mamako wearing dark color dress and all:p

also can you tell me if Porta's mom ever appear in LN? if yes what was she like?

[nfsac]

Did Masato get any progress with Medhi or Wiz?

[Kibo]

oh thanks i thought she's evil version of Mamako wearing dark color dress and all:p

also can you tell me if Porta's mom ever appear in LN? if yes what was she like?

Porta's Mom does appear. I believe she's in the LN vol Illustrations: 5 and 8. I don't know anything else.

https://i.imgur.com/ySKCv64.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/wHQ3f7a.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/dGaKTyI.jpg

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[matt619]

Vol. 10 illustration

https://imgur.com/a/2Bbt6Pg

By the way the series will enter it's final arc starting on vol. 11, so this series probably will end at vol. 12 or 13 at most

[Ichinotachi]

Those illustrations came from Kiyoe by the way, since you didn't gave him credit for it, I'll do it.

There are spoilers provided by him too.

[AP24]

It seems Vol 11 will be the final volume based on the cover and synopsis

[Disdanny]

I hear some rumors that the mom isn't his real mom and is only his step mom is that true?

[matt619]

I hear some rumors that the mom isn't his real mom and is only his step mom is that true?

it's still a rumour at this point but who knows what the author thinking?

it'll be huge coward move if it's happen. Mamako clearly said the happiest moment for her was when she give birth to Masato in volume 1 and now she suddenly not his mom?

[Animelover92]

So, how does the series end?

[dark44]

It is just teasing i doupt something happen at the end but the author at least should give the MC some women instead his mother stole all spotlight and it ended at volume 11 but couldnt find spoilers so the end should be normal and nothing big like incest end

[Disdanny]

So no spoilers yet for the ending huh?

[GLDarkLord]

I heard this Light Novel series has just ended. So would like to know some spoiler about its ending.