Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2202 [Anticipation] [Archive] - Page 2

Ithekro

2017-02-18, 02:16

Good to know. That is actually about the same size as the old Borodino-class ships were listed at being. I think the older version was 240 meters long, so not much different compared with itself, but tiny compared to Yamato and Andromeda. But longer than the Kongos.

Also Yamato seems to now have the equivalent to what the dubbing called the "Dynamic-do-All". An internal factory of some sort.

Still wondering what some of these weapons even are...or in a few cases, where they even are. Not sure what half the stuff on the Andromeda is, not the stuff on the Comet Battleship. I notice some weapons are omitted from the Apollo Norm description that are likely still there, and the Comet Empire ships don't mention their quantum torpedoes they used so well in the Ark of the Stars film. The models are still the same, so those weapons are likely still there.

Also I wonder what the difference between Yamato and the older ship's positron impact shock cannons and the Andromeda type's "convergence compression" type shock cannons. I suppose that will at least make up for Andromeda's smaller gun barrel diameter verses Yamato. Not sure if they'd be more powerful or equal...or if at this point when the things generally just shatter through any enemy ships, if that matters at all.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-18, 02:33

Updated the size chart with the Dreadnaut. Until we get an official name, that's what I'm naming the class. Leaving the ship type blank until we get confirmation whether or not it's a battleship.

http://i.imgur.com/6bSXYCQ.png

Ithekro

2017-02-18, 02:50

Well if that is the size of the Dreadnaut, than the other newer Earth warships...the old 2201 fleet (which might turn into the 2203 fleet this time around) will be small ships. More along the lines of the Murasame with the Kongo's length for the likes of the old battlecruisers and patrol cruisers. The old destroyers and frigates or more around half again the size of the Isokaze.

macdawson

2017-02-18, 06:17

Bandai Visual has released a nearly 11 minute long clip from episode 1. There are some bits edited, maybe in order to preserve some spoilers, but this is still one massive piece of awesome. Enjoy.

sInxYM3v9QI

ScrewySquirrel

2017-02-18, 07:56

oh that preview looks GREAT.

Why the hell is Kodai/Wildstar the only one killing ships though?

Since Star Blazers made me an anime fan nearly 40 years ago, i'm really looking forward to this. (yes, I'm probably double the age of the average user here, if not more)

Ithekro

2017-02-18, 08:13

I see that Kodai is using more or less the same tactics as his brother. It is more effective this time since his ship's shock cannons and missiles can hurt the enemy easily.

Still no bow shock cannon use though.

I am going to guess that was the Lighting strike gun system of whatever they call it. That is different, and gives ample justification for the deployment of Andromeda's wave motion guns to counter it.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-18, 09:47

Good preview, though subtitles would have helped a lot.

2ch was right about the ship-to-ship combat being not quite as good as 2199. It's a bit hard to explain but it feels a lot less "meaty," especially with how the capital ships were destroyed seemingly easily.

Ithekro

2017-02-18, 09:58

I see to recall an older post mention of something called "Mission to regain The 8th Gamilasia". I get the feeling that that is this battle. Mainly because when they are outlining the plan to take the place, the place is labeled "MK8".

Those Gamilas walls actually do work. Earth ship numbers are rather large (not quite as large as the Gamilas numbers), and are not useless. Shock cannons and missiles prove to be very effective against most Gatlantis ships.

However it is what happens after the preview ended that I was going to be interested it. I guess I won't be seeing that until the end of March.

As for "meaty" I think it is the lack of wreckage coming out the other side. In at least the Battle of Pluto and some of the other battles, their was bits of metal flying out with the energy beams, or beams slicing into the ships, staring to cut them open before they exploded. Here they mostly just explode.

Kodai is literally their most experienced combat commander for Earth at this point. There would be only a small number of surviving captains and admirals left from the Gamilas War, and any of them are likely on the Andromedas. Also having taken Yamato up against Gatlantis forces twice helps as well.

YF19EX

2017-02-18, 11:16

What I will be waiting to see is why they retired or mothballed Yamato. (Its been a while since I watched the Comet Empire section of the original so forgive me if it was ever mentioned there) So why keep one of the most powerful warships out of the fight. Also I do see the Starblazers moniker on the side with 2202. Which raises again the speculation about a side international release or using it as a promotion for the Japanese Blurays to international audiences that knew it best as Starblazers.

macdawson

2017-02-18, 11:33

For those who've already seen the preview, go watch it again. Bandai Visual reposted the video with the missing clip restored.

Better yet, here you go
sInxYM3v9QI

MayFly

2017-02-18, 11:33

Action was bad, compared to 2199 1st episode

skaianDestiny

2017-02-18, 12:13

Something to note is the Gamilas shield walls required two Flame Strike Guns to overwhelm.

I think part of the reason the combat doesn't feel as satisfying is that they don't linger on the hits as they did in 2199. You don't see part of the ships getting shaved off as they're hit, or that "dong" sound effect which, while repetitive, was actually effective at conveying impact.

Kodai's rampage through the Gatlantis lines would have been better of they showed the Gatlantis ships firing back at him besides the Megaluda. As it is, it feels like a Gundam show where the ace pilot blows up a bunch of ships without getting hit. I'm also alright with the Yuunagi blowing up the Megaluda with 4 torpedoes if they didn't also show them running right through the explosion not 1 second later. Other ships were destroyed in similar circumstances (see the Schderg).

Was kind of hoping they integrated the Calakmul's special weapon into the weapons on the ship itself instead of what appears to be just the funnel-expies. With how the shot lingers on the bow wings, I thought they'd be firing and the funnels amplifying them or something.

Overall, the combat could use improvement, but I have hope they'll get better as the series goes on.

Panzercracker

2017-02-18, 12:24

With the battle in the clip, that make Mass Effect's Earth Battle like a joke.

TZoli

2017-02-18, 15:46

Andromeda's own Dispersion type Wave Motion cannon seems to be much powerful than Yamato's. Originally the dispersion beams were as thick as a regular Shock cannon beam, now it looks like as thick as Yamato's!
I wonder on what destruction Kodai was shocked at. The destruction of half the Gatlantis fleet or by the destruction of an entire moon?

Also Dreadnaut??? Couldn't they look up the proper name for Dreadnought???

Yes I did excepted more fire from the Gatlantis ships and more close combat, not just a few approach the Combined Gamillan-Earth fleet.

As for the 406mm Cannons of Andromeda, that is interesting, It always stated to be of larger calibre in the old series (508mm / 20").
Maybe they introduce the Wave Motion shock cannons in Andromeda hence the smaller calibre chocie? This weapon setting was first introduced in Be Forever Yamato against the Dark Nebula Empire and if I remember correctly in Final Yamato agaist the Dengil Empire.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-18, 19:17

Picture of the Andomeda-class carrier from Kobayashi's Twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/F8GEGjy.jpg

owlminerva

2017-02-18, 21:14

ScrewySquirrel

2017-02-19, 00:47

skaianDestiny

2017-02-19, 01:52

Keep in mind it's likely they have Gamilas helping out with production. Having an armed ally is useful.

Thinking on it more, if the reason Serizawa is not in prison is ironically because of the Gamilons I'd laugh. It makes sense, the Gamilons are still pretty militaristic, and Serizawa would definitely support any movement to increase Earth's military power.

Ithekro

2017-02-19, 02:24

Some things I wonder about while watching.

How to depict the new Comet super weapon in the Star Blazers Fleet Battle System table top miniatures game.

Will this new Cometine weapon be the basis for Yamato's famous asteroid ring which didn't show up last series.

Just how much of the Earth fleet was out on this action and just how many ships was that?

There were no Earth, or Gamilas destroyers in this action at all.

I really think the moment of Kodai's ship going through the damaged Medaruusa would have been prefect for the bow shock cannon to make its debut.

GundamFan0083

2017-02-19, 19:55

For those who've already seen the preview, go watch it again. Bandai Visual reposted the video with the missing clip restored.

Better yet, here you go
sInxYM3v9QI

I am very satisfied with the battle sequences. I like the change.
I agree that going through the destroyed Gatlantis ship was a bit much.
As for it being a little bit like Gundam, well, Gundam (from the 1970s) borrowed from Yamato so I've no problem with Yamato doing the same....I'm a Gundam Fan after all. :D

I'm looking forward to this anime even more now with this clip.
Thank you MacDawson for sharing it with us. :)

owlminerva

2017-02-19, 21:09

So being in the US what's going to be my best earliest way to watch a subtitled version?
Any ideas yet?

Ithekro

2017-02-19, 21:22

None as of yet. If the BD happen to have English subtitles, it could be as early as the end of March.

If not....that depend on what subbers decide to get the BD themselves and put them up someplace online. Until such time as Bandai Visual, Voyager Entertainment, or whomever announces what they intend to do with Star Blazers 2202 internationally. If they wait too long, they will sour their sales. They never even finished releases Star Blazers 2199 internationally. Likely because Yamato 2199 BD has English subtitles already and has been out for a year by the time Voyager stopped....well saying anything.

They put them on the regular BD, they will not get international sales as much later (save for those that want to see the show with say Spanish subs, which the Star Blazers 2199 disks had). If they got international too early, they potentially wreck Japanese domestic sales if the exchange rate if favorable to import the Star Blazers 2202 discs from America since it will still have the Japanese dub on them. If they wait too long, the fansubs will overtake them or people will forget it even exist and sales will not be very good.

Yamato 2199's following internationally isn't as good as it could be because of how it was released. Even in the anime watching world. The first group of episodes started to come out in Spring of 2012. Well since it was only a two episode OVA, most groups panned it. Then it came to TV in Spring of 2013. By then most groups though it was a re-release and again ignored it because it wasn't new. I still run into people that remember the old Star Blazers cartoon and knew of the old Space Battleship Yamato, but have never heard of the Yamato 2199 remake.

YF19EX

2017-02-19, 23:50

Voyager / Bandai definitely had a screw up on the US release blurays. My first issue was their insistence to continue to adapt it to the Starblazers moniker. On the dub side (which I don't watch anyway) still continued to use the English adapted names. At this point in time, older fan such as ourselves are going to understand it as Yamato. Getting new fans into the series should not need to rely on the older series to promote it, as I tend to find many newer anime fans, don't like watching older series.

Aside from that, once again the use of the Starblazers moniker on the Japanese promo materials and the titling suggests either possible continuation of English subtitling on the Japanese blurays or god forbid another incomplete attempt at a western release which you know will be months down the road from the Japanese releases at best.

I also do agree with how the anime fans and blogs covered or "lack their of coverage" of 2199 existed because of its release schedule. No one really put up any of the discs on source sites even as the blurays (with English subs already done) were released at each movie premier. It took the regular release discs to pop up a month later before such source material came about. The TV release, was already a year old and with changes to the opening and endings to suite a more upbeat TV audience.

I guess I will find out at Anime Japan when I go and track down a copy unless anyone gets to the premier and gets a limited edition one and posts any info on it.

Ithekro

2017-02-20, 00:58

I'll be getting the first BD release near the end of March regardless.

I have heard that Yamato 2202 will be streaming in Japan following the theatrical releases, but I don't know the details, nor for now long. http://yamato2202.net/bddvd/

As for the use of Star Blazers. As far as I can tell, aside from potentially the experimental English dubbing of episode one and two of Yamato 2199, the Star Blazers 2199 discs came out with all Japanese materials. And I think the only thing they tried to change in the dubbing was to keep the ship as the "Argo" instead of Yamato, while the crew was still Kodai, Shima, Mori, and the like. That and maybe "Gamilon", but they had trouble with that throughout the subbing of Yamato 2199. In the end, from what I understand, the English and Spanish subtitles were using only the Japanese proper names instead of trying to use anything from the old dubs. The only thing left over from the dubbing days was the title: Star Blazers. And that might be just so the American companies can't go trying to steal it or hinder Yamato the way Harmony Gold was going with Robotech and Macross. The only ones to mess up Yamato's North American release was the Japanese.

They still got my money since they made a good product and produced Yamato 2199 with Englsih subtitles at the start. Plus model kits. If they keep up the good work with the smaller model kits they will still get more money. They'll likely get more for the rest of the series, it s just harder to justify without the subtitles.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-20, 02:21

I'm really excited for the 1/1000 models. I hope they reissue all the old 2199 Gamilon ones and release Medalusa and Calakmul models.

Ithekro

2017-02-20, 02:57

Something I didn't notice, because it was, "blink and you miss it" Andromeda's wave motion gun pretty much vaporized a Medaruusa on impact, right next to the larger Calakmul.

Still would like to see the Kongo and Murasame types fire their bow cannons. With their new wave motion engines, it shouldn't be as much of a power hog as during the Gamilas War. Even if they have increased the bore size by 8 to 10 cm. They are just oversized (for their class) shock cannons. Probably just uses the power of two or three of their main guns to fire rather than all output. Its not a wave motion gun, and they don't have weak power systems any more. Remember that Yamato had the equivalent of two Gamilas War era Kongo type engines as her two sub-engines, and that those two could power her main shock cannons for a few shorts even with the Wave Motion Engine off line. And a Kongo's bow cannon isn't even as large as one of Yamato's barrels in diameter....though it might put more power through it for effect.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-20, 03:13

I kind of want to get my hands on an SBY model right now, but the only 2 available to order are the second set of UNCN ships and the Pormelia (or Polmeria? Which do you prefer?). Leaning toward the UNCN ships.

Ithekro

2017-02-20, 05:43

Do you need that carrier? It is rather huge, though depending on if you use them for something (aside just collecting models), it could be useful. The UNCN ships could be collected as is, or even repainted as at least the cruisers are in huge numbers.

We are hoping more for the mecha colle models as they are smaller and cheaper. The cheaper part is the bonus, the smaller part allows us to use some of them for miniatures battles as they fit in better with the older miniatures. Especially the really big flagships fit right it at that scale.

I haven't made a count of the cruisers yet, but I did count Kongo-type ships. I think the most I saw was 24 on the screen at once. There were 14 on screen at once when the fleet is withdrawing in preparation for Plan A's implementation.

I believe I saw up to three Medaruusa-class ships on screen at once in the first distance shot. After that only two ever share the screen together, but the one Kodai engages has a second one some distance behind it. Two were paired side by side together while the third was trailing them I think. Once the one was destroyed, we only ever saw one on the screen at a time, and it was destroyed by Andromeda. There could be one more left for when Andromeda enters the battle in the second act, but we won't know that for five days or so at the least.

For all the Cometine carriers in that battle, their fighters did hardly anything. And that's against an enemy that didn't bring any carriers with them. Not even a single Gamilas carrier was there. Not even a battlecruiser. The only ship that might have fighters is Andromeda. But even then, the Deathtaters didn't do anything except be destroyed by both Earth and Gamilas fire.

In the Lightning Strike attack, I did see an Earth cruiser run into an evading or damaged Gamilas cruiser.

Has anyone been able to see if their is a visible date on any of the Earth screens to suggest what day this battle takes place on?

For the Star Blazers Fleet Battle System Game, I've worked up something to test later. Basically treating the Lightning Strike rings like they are firing thousands of light pulse lasers in a cone shape for ranging purposes. This could prove to be wrong if we see them ever use this thing for long range fire, or for firing in another direction other than straight ahead. I decided on roll only damage rather than fixed damage to make it more random as some ships might get hits with a lot of little blasts and others might only get hit by a few. With more damage in the center and less near the edge of the cone. The variable damage range goes from enough to take out about any destroyer with ease to being able to take out a Gamilas fleet battleship by peppering it with little blasts, depending on the roll of the dice.

GundamFan0083

2017-02-20, 05:47

Since Zenseava was part of the original Yamato Mechanics group, I think it only fitting to add one of his newest designs from Gundam. The influence of Yamato on the Gundam franchise is undeniable and it may be of interest to some of you here to check this new image out.

They are space battleships after all. :)

http://lighthousezen.up.n.seesaa.net/lighthousezen/image/IRISHclassInitialDesign.jpg?d=a1

I post this in order for us to "compare and contrast" Gundam and Yamato 2202.

Another image that I find interesting is this one on the Gundam Wiki site that is listed under Gundam Thunderbolt (pretty sure it does not belong there. :D ).

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/4/47/Gundam_Thunderbolt_Ship.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130430143423

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gundam_Thunderbolt_Ship.jpg

bensellers

2017-02-20, 10:49

TZoli

2017-02-20, 11:28

Well according to video in the next few seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sInxYM3v9QI
The EDF fleet was as large as the Gamillan one minus the Zoelguuts!

I've cannot locate a date on the screens but by mirroring them you could read the various system names from them:
http://i.imgur.com/LNCJLw8.jpg
Though this seems to show a clock like subscreen/widget with a time (probably) 11:55:17
http://i.imgur.com/qfJZYbJ.jpg

GundamFan0083

2017-02-20, 17:59

Picture of the Andomeda-class carrier from Kobayashi's Twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/F8GEGjy.jpg

I'm still wondering if Gamilas now has the wave motion gun tech, and if they have their own versions of these types of ships. With this reboot, it might be interesting to see if Earth is where the Garmun Empire gets their designs that we saw in the original Yamato III.

Ithekro

2017-02-20, 19:12

The older Kirishima had its weapon projectors under the stubby barrels even in 2199, but they could move internally a little. Maybe 15 degrees without hitting the edge of the barrel? They likely changed the emitter when they went to shock cannons.

Kirishima's bow cannon was 36cm originally (~14 inch). The new Kongos like Yuunagi have 46cm bow cannons (~18 inch) Their turrets are still 36cm, but the difference is being shock cannons over "lasers".

The closeup of the Calakmul give a good view of the standard Comet turret emitters. Quad emitters for each "barrel" for lack of a better term.

As for Galman (Bolar Wars era) tech, their ships looked less organic that the Gamilas ships did early on. Earth boxy shapes. More in line with the Zoeguut. They also incorporate the Comet Empire turret designs into many ships in addition to the longer barrel turrets we see on the newer Gamilas ships. Also the addition of the Desler Cannon on many of them would indicate that they eventually got their own wave motion gun projects working.

Oh and those star names don't correspond to any stars I can find.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-20, 21:29

I'm still wondering if Gamilas now has the wave motion gun tech, and if they have their own versions of these types of ships. With this reboot, it might be interesting to see if Earth is where the Garmun Empire gets their designs that we saw in the original Yamato III.
Presumably Iscandar is guiding Gamilas and wouldn't like it if they continued research on the Wave Motion/Dessler Gun. Instead, Gamilas is pressuring Earth, whom they are allied with, to build WMG-equipped ships in their steed, using militarists such as Serizawa as their puppets. An imperfect analogy would be post-WW2 America getting Japan to make nukes. That snake-eyed Gamilon whispering to Serizawa in the preview can't be up to any good.

Also, can anyone gleam anything off of this?

http://i.imgur.com/w7LeAWd.jpg

Ithekro

2017-02-20, 22:15

http://i.imgur.com/xHgrA6m.jpg

Looking at a shot of Kirishima's guns in action, if we can assume the shock cannon version have the same diameter beams, and the guns are still as recessed as there are on Kirishima, than they should be able to elevate internally a least a little bit. Probably as much as a pre-dreadnought battleship, which wasn't a lot really considering that 10,000 meters was considered to be the maximum range around 1905. Battleship Mikasa could elevate her main guns less than 15 degrees up and 5 degrees down. Only the post-World War One ships started to give massive elevation upgrades as the ranges could be increased to beyond the horizon with airplane spotters and later radar. USS Iowa can elevate more than 45 degrees up and modern destroyers can elevate upward of 75 degrees or more. Yamato in the preview is elevating quite a lot, but also tilting the ship.

Kodai is maneuvering like a madman (AKA his brother) with a ship that is larger than the old Yukizake. We did see Kirishima maneuver like this a bit at Pluto under Okita when she was unleashing her missiles and torpedoes. I somehow doubt the Dreadnaut will be able to move like this, but with them having better turrets and likely shields, they might not have to .

During the battle, Yuunagi weaving in and out of the Cometine formations. With the way I intend to set up the weapons on that ship class, it can do everything Yuunagi does in the battle...except take out a Medaruusa with four torpedoes. I could beef up their yield by a step and it would be just enough to cause a critical hit, which is usually were the Star Blazers game places Yamato's on screen blasts that destroy enemy ships at. The other option is that Kodai fired the bow cannon at the last second using that to plow through the enemy battleship. If there is a power drain, that would seem to be fine as he'd be covered for a few moments by the wreckage. That would also correspond to the scenes with him clenching his teeth as Earth ships start to be destroyed while he seems to be able to do nothing about it. Ending when the Comet fleet turns around.

I did notice at least one error in these scenes. The space outside Yuunagi's windows are the red-orange from outside the planet's atmosphere, while the battle seems to be taking place in the atmosphere, which is green. Later, when Andromeda fires, Yuunagi is outside the planet's atmosphere having witnessed the destruction of that moon and being close enough to the wave motion gun blast to see the blue of it out the window

Note: Yuunagi blew up at least 12 ships in that battle.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-21, 02:52

Got a shot clearly showing the turrets not firing horizontally to the ship.

http://i.imgur.com/XliTdpS.jpg

TZoli

2017-02-21, 10:32

That screenshot of the screen shot about the Zoelguut shows I think it's powerplant unit, for why? I do not know, maybe it's powered by a different power unit than the standard Gamillas ships. Probably a Human/Iscandarian Wave Motion generator hence the constant surveillance by an EDF ship. I doubt it was equipped with a Wave Motion Cannon, because for that most part of the frontal armour would need to be removed, not that we could see anything because of the large self propelled shield walls block the view.

TZoli

2017-02-21, 10:38

The Andromeda Battle Carrier design is just awesome.
I was surprised by the sheer number of UNCF ships of the earlier designs in that first battle. Easily a hundred or more.

Only thing missing that I would love to see is some other culture "mission/escape" battleships. Arizona, Hood, etc..

Usually the EDF ship designs looks great, but this Andromeda variant is damn ugly in my eyes. Would had been much better to put that hanger system on the base of the superstructure rather on top of it. I don't understand why did they not reused the old Lexington SBBCV :(

Ithekro

2017-02-21, 14:40

They might use the Lexington style again after the "Dreadnaut" comes out.

But they also might have seen the Lexington design as tactically and structurally flawed.

The flight deck and landing path is directly above the main engine housing and the upper deck leads straight into the bridge tower. That is basically two accidents waiting to happen. Add to this the storage limitations due to he wave motion engine, it would make more sense to move the hanger deck away from the engine unit for more volume.

With the tower complex, the fighter storage bays are away from the engine, and the flight path away from an unprotected bridge tower. The new structure looks like it has plenty of material between it and the bridge to prevent even a crash landing from hitting the Admiral.

If the complex is designed like I think it might be, the fighters might still be on pallets like on Yamato, but with this setup the six angled launch bays become twelve as there are stacked one on top of the other, with the lower one inverted. They area is probably wide enough to launch two fighters side by side from each bay level, so four fighters per bay for 24 total launching at a time. Because the bays are angled they and possible the lower part inverted, the four pilots from each of the six areas should be able to handle not hitting each other and easily avoid the other 20 pilots due to the design.

Landing might take a bit longer depending on how the land or if some need to land inverted or not. Not as slow as on Yamato, but not quite as fast as they can launch.

There even may be room for something larger like the Cosmo Hound in the space just behind the bridge were it looks like there is a large hatch.

GundamFan0083

2017-02-21, 14:55

Presumably Iscandar is guiding Gamilas and wouldn't like it if they continued research on the Wave Motion/Dessler Gun. Instead, Gamilas is pressuring Earth, whom they are allied with, to build WMG-equipped ships in their steed, using militarists such as Serizawa as their puppets. An imperfect analogy would be post-WW2 America getting Japan to make nukes. That snake-eyed Gamilon whispering to Serizawa in the preview can't be up to any good.

Also, can anyone gleam anything off of this?

http://i.imgur.com/w7LeAWd.jpg

That's right. Starsha's sister is guiding them, so what you said makes a lot of sense. I agree that the surly Garmilas gent looks like he's up to no good.
Thus, I wonder if Earth has now become a proxy of sorts for the wave motion gun tech.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-21, 22:35

Tried doing something.

http://i.imgur.com/d6IZYhG.png

Ithekro

2017-02-22, 03:16

What are you trying?

skaianDestiny

2017-02-22, 03:22

Side view of the Kripitera. Finished it up along with the Kelkapia.

http://i.imgur.com/hhwsuul.png
http://i.imgur.com/VMJrfIU.png

Ithekro

2017-02-22, 08:29

Oh you are doing colored scale drawing of the Gamilas forces. Nice.

jaehaerys

2017-02-22, 20:12

Side view of the Kripitera. Finished it up along with the Kelkapia.

http://i.imgur.com/hhwsuul.png
http://i.imgur.com/VMJrfIU.png

Nice. Kelkapia is one of my favourite designs in the franchise, I love the quad-eye look. If 2202 can feature a scene in which Gamilas ships do more than just get blown up I will be very pleased.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-22, 20:16

I skipped ahead to the Zoelguut because I can.

http://i.imgur.com/8vSXVVc.png
http://i.imgur.com/agl3V3A.png

EDIT: Destroia.

http://i.imgur.com/IaBU1An.png

Ithekro

2017-02-22, 22:53

Nice work.

How possible do you think the black and white etching pattern on the three in Yamato 2202 would be?

skaianDestiny

2017-02-23, 00:31

Nice work.

How possible do you think the black and white etching pattern on the three in Yamato 2202 would be?
Oh sweet Jesus that would be hell. Even if I could a lot of the detail would be lost due to the nature of pixels. If they release a guide for them then maybe, but the most I can do ATM is the black color scheme.

Anyway, new progress:

Gamilon destroyer and cruisers in Goer's fleet camo and Imperial Guard blue.

http://i.imgur.com/KPJ2Nra.png
http://i.imgur.com/y19YJLk.png
http://i.imgur.com/VG2qC9l.png

Some fan color schemes for the Zoelguut.

http://i.imgur.com/vXeVjwD.png

Remember the first from a Japanese modeler. The second is from here (https://www.resinilluminati.com/showthread.php?t=16447&page=4).

EDIT: You know if there are any good side views of the Mirangal from Celestial Ark?

jaehaerys

2017-02-23, 00:43

Ithekro

2017-02-23, 01:01

Might be cheaper to produce the older barrel-less turrets in large number that the Gamilas need. They use that 330 mm triple turret on a lot of hulls and the 280 mm twin turret on the underside of the destroyers and secondary weapon on the regular battleships.

They have the 330 mm turrets on all their cruisers and battleships., even the newer one have at least one of those turrets on the underside. (The battlecruiser says it does not, but the barrel-less turrets seem too close to the regular style in size to be the 280 mm guns.) The super dreadnoughts have them as secondary batteries. Even Desler's ship has them on the side on the main hull along with the barreled version and the larger 480 mm cannons on the wing roots and underside of the bow. Only the big superdreadnought have the quad 490 mm turrets (unused in the opening battle of Yamato 2202, I half wonder if those ships were being remote controlled since they seemed to be used as decoys to get the Medauura-class ships to fire on them rather than they fleet of ships they could easily destroy in numbers.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-23, 01:03

I wonder what the advantages of the turrets with fixed angle cannons (like the ones used in most Gamilas turrets) are over those with barreled cannons that can elevate and depress (like on Yamato and the Gamilas Meltoria class and Gelvades class). The latter seem objectively better, since they can actually elevate and depress. However, Gamilas still uses the former on their super dreadnoughts despite having the technology to build both kinds of turrets.
Lowered power consumption maybe? The newer ships (Meltoria, Haizerad, Gelvades, Deusura II) all utilize positron cannons (the barreled ones) instead of positron beams (the non-barreled ones). However, note that the Meltoria uses 2 280mm positron beams along with its 2 330mm positron cannons as opposed to the Destroia which has 4 330mm positron cannons. Two of the turrets have been downsized despite the Meltoria being slightly longer (comparing them side-by-side, their engine blocks seem to be the same size). In addition, the Gelvades does not mount any guns larger than 280mm despite having the most turrets, including a total of 6 positron cannons. The Haizerad's guns are all 330mm like the Gaiderol, however it has a noticeably longer engine block than its predecessor.

So the conclusion I drew is the positron cannons use up a lot more power compared to positron beams of similar caliber.

Ithekro

2017-02-23, 01:26

http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/customarkmodelsdec2014/

This model is probably your best bet. I double checked the film. The paint job is accurate for both sides of the ship. The port side is rarely seen during the film, as most shots of it are of the starboard side.

In the Star Blazers game, I've cheated for the Gelvades and Meltoria's weapons a little to keep their hulls simply and able to be impressive in combat. If I went as is for the Meltoria, she'd be functionally worse than the Destroia and if I don't think I could make a functional Gelvades with the weapon available if I didn't fiddle with it a bit.

I basically gave the Meltoria the 330 mm barrel-less turrets to the rear and underside and beefed up the side guns so that if has effectively six medium sized batteries and two heavy batteries (the positron cannons on the top) This was to make it functionally superior to the Destroia as if I didn't, the ships would not be able to fire enough weapon per turn within the rule to be a viable battlecruiser. To put this in perspective, the Destroia has four medium batteries centerline and four side mounted light batteries, but due to their size (them and the Meltoria) they can only fire two weapon systems per turn offensively. This works for the Destroia perfectly since the missiles are best left for defense or long range fire. But if I used the Meltoria as it was, it have three gun systems and wouldn't have anywhere near enough firepower to justify the two upgraded batteries alone. And if the other other batteries were downgraded due to them being 280 cm, than the whole ship would be overall less powerful even with two heavy batteries, as it would then have six light batteries (with a shorter range) to back them up (actually the total damage once in range it a tiny bit better with this setup over the regular Destroia, but you have to get in closer. The effective damage increase it 2 point of damage, while my setup is about 8 points of damage. The equivalent of adding another battery to the ship)

The Gelvades I just winged it and gave her the equivalent of 330 mm positron cannons (heavy batteries) for her main guns, then medium batteries for their larger hidden turrets as well as the side mounted lighter positron cannons, then light batteries for the remaining hidden turrets on the bow and underside. This was a compromise to make her more of Yamato's equal rather than an armed carrier with lots of light guns and a few medium guns. The small hidden turrets were actually under my sizing range for Gamilas weapons and would have had to switch to the even lighter Comet Empire light batteries, which I really didn't want to do. So I fudged it to make it as impressive as it looks. Given the performance that it gave against the Comet Empire, I think it is justified.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-23, 01:40

http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/customarkmodelsdec2014/

This model is probably your best bet. I double checked the film. The paint job is accurate for both sides of the ship. The port side is rarely seen during the film, as most shots of it are of the starboard side.
Thanks!

In the Star Blazers game, I've cheated for the Gelvades and Meltoria's weapons a little to keep their hulls simply and able to be impressive in combat. If I went as is for the Meltoria, she'd be functionally worse than the Destroia and if I don't think I could make a functional Gelvades with the weapon available if I didn't fiddle with it a bit.

I basically gave the Meltoria the 330 mm barrel-less turrets to the rear and underside and beefed up the side guns so that if has effectively six medium sized batteries and two heavy batteries (the positron cannons on the top) This was to make it functionally superior to the Destroia as if I didn't, the ships would not be able to fire enough weapon per turn within the rule to be a viable battlecruiser.

The Gelvades I just winged it and gave her the equivalent of 330 mm positron cannons (heavy batteries) for her main guns, then medium batteries for their larger hidden turrets as well as the side mounted lighter positron cannons, then light batteries for the remaining hidden turrets on the bow and underside. This was a compromise to make her more of Yamato's equal rather than an armed carrier with lots of light guns and a few medium guns. The small hidden turrets were actually under my sizing range for Gamilas weapons and would have had to switch to the even lighter Comet Empire light batteries, which I really didn't want to do. So I fudged it to make it as impressive as it looks. Given the performance that it gave against the Comet Empire, I think it is justified.
I'm not familiar with your stats for the Star Blazers game, but I'd make it so the positron cannons were the same "power" as positron beams of higher caliber (eg. a 280mm positron cannon would be the same power as a 330mm positron beam) and greater range. So the Meltoria would have much higher frontal firepower compared to the Destroia in exchange for slightly worse rear firepower.

Actually, do you think you could post the stats for the 2199 ships? I'm interested in looking at them.

EDIT: Any suggestions for the next ship I should work on? It's either gonna be the Meltoria or the Gaiderol.

Ithekro

2017-02-23, 02:32

If I can get Photobucket to work I can see what I can do.

Has anyone attempted to do a count of the ships as they form up between the Gamilas and Earth Fleets? I am pretty sure there is a 4K version on the net someplace if video quality is a problem.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-23, 16:41

Here's the Meltoria.

http://i.imgur.com/1PX7Cll.png
http://i.imgur.com/fVjZNZZ.png

skaianDestiny

2017-02-23, 18:55

Found a cool UNCN design on Pixiv. Idea is that it's an older destroyer from the Kongou-class's era.
http://i.imgur.com/Rol1B6G.jpg
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=61527668
Check out the source as it has more pics.

Also there's this:
http://i.imgur.com/mbkx00o.jpg
A vessel from 2179 that has a lot of firepower but is slow and very cramped crew space.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=51427006

Tri-ring

2017-02-23, 21:58

First twelve minutes of the first story.

ENJOY !!

sInxYM3v9QI

Ithekro

2017-02-24, 00:07

So Gaiderol and Haizerad next?

skaianDestiny

2017-02-24, 01:09

First twelve minutes of the first story.

ENJOY !!
You're really late here. :P

So Gaiderol and Haizerad next?
Yep!

http://i.imgur.com/SJCCFxn.png
http://i.imgur.com/EJXcjVP.png
http://i.imgur.com/r6OSQDJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/rwFpnPW.png

Bit pissed that the Haizerad line art didn't quite line up with the Gaiderol, but I managed. Any suggestions for the next one?

EDIT: Which do you think is more powerful, the Dessler Gun on the Deusura II or the Andromeda's WMG?

Ithekro

2017-02-24, 02:09

Oddly I think Dessler's cannon is more powerful due to the amount of wave motion cores powering it. However it has a even more narrow beam than Yamato. Andromeda's is more useful in combat against fleets. Yamato and Dessler's would be more effective planet killers or single target destoyers (like space fortresses and the like).

skaianDestiny

2017-02-24, 03:30

I was able to get the length of the Gamilas transport from episode 22 of 2199 from Kobayashi. 268 meters.

https://twitter.com/makomako713/status/835026832273494017

Tzoli, do you think you could upload a scan of it?

EDIT: UX-01

http://i.imgur.com/NbgSMpa.png

Ithekro

2017-02-24, 07:48

One of the "goods" being sold for the new film is a scale chart of the new ships including the Cometine Missile Cruiser and all five Andromeda class ships.

http://yamato2202.net/goods/gekijyo_1.html

However there is something I've noticed about the merchandise. A lot of them say "Star Blazers 2202" only, while others have both Yamato 2202 and Star Blazers on them in English. Some have it in Japanese, but I'm seeing a lot of prominent "Star Blazers 2202" merchandise.

TZoli

2017-02-24, 08:25

Here you go:
http://i.imgur.com/dYFt6IK.jpg

In the meantime I show you my project I've been asked to do:
http://tzoli.deviantart.com/art/Isokaze-class-Refit-665455004

Not yet finished, but there will be two versions, a refit of the Isokaze class with 12,7cm barrelled Shock cannons, and added twin 40mm Pulse laser turrets and an Isokaze mod type where I put 3 quad 40mm pulse lasers as well as modified nose which will hold a bow mounted shock cannon.
Also there will be similar refits of the Murasame and Kongo classes.

Question: What are the calibres of Yamato's Pulse lasers?

Ithekro

2017-02-24, 08:46

The real Yamato's larger AA guns were 12.7 cm guns which seem to fit the space battleship's batteries more so that the much smaller 25 mm guns. With what use to be 155mm triple turrets upgraded to 200mm cannons, I think the AA guns were left as is (more or less given that the whole ship was upscaled).

TZoli

2017-02-24, 09:11

Well, by luck I found her in the Japanese Wiki:

1x Wave Motion cannon
3x3 48cm Shock cannons (Positron shock cannons)
2x3 20cm Shock Guns (Positron impact guns)
12x Torpedo tubes (6-6 forward and aft)
2x8 Short torpedo (AA Missile?) launchers (8-8 Port and starboard)
2x8 Missile launch tubes (8-8 Funnel and ship bottom)
8x4,8x2 12,7cm High-angle Rapid-fire laser guns (These are the larger, mostly sphere/ball mounted AA guns)
4x3 88mm Pulse Laser guns (on the superstructure and next of the aft secondary turret)
4x3,10x2 75mm Pulse Laser guns (The smaller ones, while the tripe ones are around the bridge's wing)

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A4%E3%83%9E%E3%83%88_(%E5%AE%87%E5%AE%99%E6 %88%A6%E8%89%A6%E3%83%A4%E3%83%9E%E3%83%88)#.E8.AB .B8.E5.85.83_.282199.29

So they are mostly 12,7cm and 7,5cm ones. Interesting. Will edit my Isokaze drawing accordingly to enlarge the barrels of the AA guns.

Ithekro

2017-02-24, 09:30

For Yamato 2202 I think the aft 88mm guns were replaced with a larger number of 75mm guns. Replacing 2x3 88mm for 8x2 75mm around the aft secondary turret.

Also, the Cosmo Tiger I might be seriously overpowered with its two huge beam cannons.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-24, 12:53

From the Under Armor trailer: what look like Gamilas UAVs.

http://i.imgur.com/Lc8ibYV.png

TZoli

2017-02-24, 13:00

They look like the Prowler class scoutplanes of Gamillas, stated as official designs on the schematics site:
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/gamilon/strategicrecon_prowler.jpg

skaianDestiny

2017-02-24, 15:22

Nah it's different.

http://starblazers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/gamirasu_air021.jpg

TZoli

2017-02-24, 15:36

Not that much!
Long slender backward tilting wings with aft looking wingtips, arrow shaped nose, small vertical stabilizer, I'm sure they used it as a bases for this design!

Ithekro

2017-02-24, 16:33

Probably based on the fighters they use to fight during the war.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-24, 23:52

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=31893353

A supply ship for all the Comet Empire bow missiles.

http://i.imgur.com/zh1lCqT.jpg

Kinda want to see something similar in 2202.

EDIT: Sad news, the Blu-rays don't have subtitles.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-25, 02:31

Double post but whatever. Tzoli, this was the style of turrets I was thinking of for the refit UNCN designs.

http://i.imgur.com/zesev9f.jpg

EDIT: Did something different and drew some UNCN ships

http://i.imgur.com/tRmKFUK.png
Isokaze-class destroyer
Length: 80 meters
Armament:
2x 127mm triple-mount high-pressure amplified light cannon turrets
2x 127mm anti-ship cannons
3x torpedo launchers
8x missile launchers
Variations—official:
http://i.imgur.com/Ob41nMT.png

And I tried doing a fan design that I posted before. The gist is an old destroyer from the Kongou-class battleship's era. Original is here: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=61527668

http://i.imgur.com/SuuNWb0.png
Tachikaze-class destroyer
Length: 70 meters
Armament:
1x 127mm triple-mount high-pressure amplified light cannon turret
2x torpedo launchers
8x missile launchers
Variations:
http://i.imgur.com/fOYDdgS.png

Ithekro

2017-02-25, 03:34

Still getting the first BD. Will figure out if I want to keep getting the other six discs later. Maybe they'll let us in on their plan by then....

Chapter 2 is suppose to come to theaters around June 24th. BD probably the end of July.

As for the ship, I figured they'd slap a barreled turret on the design, then later build the newer ships, with are better armed regardless (more turrets).

Also, just how big do we think the guns are on the Cosmo Tiger I? because if what happens in the Under Armour PV is what happened.....Damn those are overpowered for even a heavy fighter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/UnderArmourJp/status/835107876637048833

http://i.imgur.com/tRmKFUK.png
Isokaze-class destroyer
Length: 80 meters
Armament:
2x 127mm triple-mount high-pressure amplified light cannon turrets
2x 127mm anti-ship cannons
3x torpedo launchers
8x missile launchers
Variations—official:
http://i.imgur.com/Ob41nMT.png

Might want to do the torpedo boat colors as well as a variant. Maybe even one is the grey and red like all those cruiser in the big battle. (which is probably just an inverted version of the upper variant, swapping the red and light grey sections.)

TZoli

2017-02-25, 06:00

Why not the blue-white of Yunagi?
I think Yunagi most likely belongs to a different fleet as all 3 Kongos on the screen feature this dark blue-purpleish upper colour:
https://youtu.be/sInxYM3v9QI?t=268
While here you can see a Differnet coloured Kongo with the same colour as the armada of Muramasas:
https://youtu.be/sInxYM3v9QI?t=279

Well to be precise there are at least 3 fleets are present in this giant Armada:
https://youtu.be/sInxYM3v9QI?t=284
Grey/Red/White
Grey/Black/White
Blue-Purple/Grey/White

Note EDF Patterson on the last screen

Ithekro

2017-02-25, 06:27

I think the idea is that Yuunagi and those pointed like her are squadron leaders or division leaders. It might be why there are two Andromeda type ships painted those colors and why Blue Noah has those colors decades later. Interestingly Andromeda herself is not painted like that. She has less flashy paint than the other ships of her class, and is not paired like the others.

Dextro

2017-02-25, 08:27

skaianDestiny

2017-02-25, 13:25

UNCN in EDF colors will come later.

Tried giving the Gaiderol Shulz's battleship's color scheme from the original series. Which looks better?

http://i.imgur.com/JdSFJ2c.png
http://i.imgur.com/rF8Afqx.png

YF19EX

2017-02-25, 13:45

Ithekro

2017-02-25, 18:36

Well if the Yamatour group with Tim Eldrid managed to get some word in with some of the producers, at least same of the outside world will be heard.

pinoy78

2017-02-25, 21:41

TERRIBLE news...I supported the entire Yamato 2199 series too.

Do they really want us the go fansubs?

Ithekro

2017-02-25, 23:15

In theory there should be an international release, it is just a question of "when".

There is the Star Blazers live action movie that is suppose to start filming this year. Maybe they will try to market it that way? But that may be too far away to be of use.

On Gaiderol Shulz's battleship, I prefer the top one.

TZoli

2017-02-26, 04:10

Another live action movie after this??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GenQSOl1OMQ

Ithekro

2017-02-26, 06:04

An American produced live action movie (likely under the "Star Blazers" title). directed by Christopher McQuarrie with the approval of Nishizaki's son.

TZoli

2017-02-26, 09:25

What about the master? Leiji Matsumoto? Any news regarding his views on these shows?

Kamijou Touma

2017-02-26, 15:03

The news left me very unhappy, I would have imported the whole series. I just hope Voyager does not screw this up like 2199. I hope somebody competent will do this without any changes no Argo and no name changes,

GundamFan0083

2017-02-26, 17:19

Bandai's Home Video Release of Space Battleship Yamato 2202 Won't Include English Subs (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2017-02-25/bandai-home-video-release-of-space-battleship-yamato-2202-wont-include-english-subs/.112694)

Bad news folks. It looks like the BR won't have english subtitles this time. Hopefuly there's overseas releases soonish

Extremely bad news.
I bought the first series for nearly $500.00 US, and already saved up to do that with 2202.
I don't get it, why would they undercut their profits like this.
Many of us bought the English-subbed version of the Japanese Blue-Rays.
Since this decision can change and new edition (say an International edition) can certainly be released, I'll wait and hold out hope that this is only for the domestic release and that they plan on an international release through Voyager. However, if Voyager pulls the same type of crap they did with the 2199 release (all the Starblazer nonsense) then I can see 2202 getting subbed, and pirated over this very bad decision.
Ban Dai needs to stop making bad decisions like this that promote piracy.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-26, 17:21

Attempted some OC camo colors for the Gamilon ships in my fanfic. How do they look?

http://i.imgur.com/La8X1hQ.png
http://i.imgur.com/axG1yVf.png
http://i.imgur.com/1ONDfpY.png
http://i.imgur.com/FYibuyK.png

Kamijou Touma

2017-02-26, 17:34

Extremely bad news.
I bought the first series for nearly $500.00 US, and already saved up to do that with 2202.
I don't get it, why would they undercut their profits like this.
Many of us bought the English-subbed version of the Japanese Blue-Rays.
Since this decision can change and new edition (say an International edition) can certainly be released, I'll wait and hold out hope that this is only for the domestic release and that they plan on an international release through Voyager. However, if Voyager pulls the same type of crap they did with the 2199 release (all the Starblazer nonsense) then I can see 2202 getting subbed, and pirated over this very bad decision.
Ban Dai needs to stop making bad decisions like this that promote piracy.

I am sure the subbed version will come out in April, people are not that patient these days. I guess they do not want our money.

Now I wonder why the bluray has star blazers 2202 on it than. Just seems pointless, do the japanese even know what star blazers is.

jaehaerys

2017-02-26, 19:46

skaianDestiny

2017-02-26, 22:05

Another cool UNCN thing. An Isokaze-class that has been redesigned for fast wartime production.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=45724636
http://i.imgur.com/FVDldPC.jpg

They look great! I especially like the Destroia-class.
Thank you! Redid the camo on the Kripitera and Kelkapia to hopefully make them more similar to the Destroia.

http://i.imgur.com/JCWrs3O.png
http://i.imgur.com/JrGkE5n.png

Ithekro

2017-02-27, 02:59

Odd question. Where is Quarkboy? I am pretty sure he helped with the translation for Yamato 2199's subtitles.

I was thinking, after watching a clip of the gathering EDF in Yamato 2....there were five major Earth fleets in the Sol System. One for Each Andromeda? Or will they have added even more by the time the Comet Empire gets their main force to Earth's system? be interesting if by the time of the "Battle of Saturn" there were five Apollo Norm type ships and six Andromeda type ships, with a seventh Andromeda under construction, and a Sixth Apollo Norm also underway. The Sixth Carrier "A13" might never be finished, or be destroyed in another series, but the Seventh Andromeda, mysterious "A12" would survive for decades. For the Battle of Saturn, The Six Andromeda form the Core Fleet, while Yamato and the five Apollo Norm do the run on the enemy carriers. The Main fleet has several Dreadnauts with them as well as some newer cruisers and destroyer types. Yamato gets the remains of the older ships, the Kongos, Marusame, and Isokazes. At least that is what I'm thinking might happen. This could also give rise to several different paint jobs for all the Earth ships types if there are five fleets.

This is assuming we don't see a Lexington-class analog (converted Dreadnaut into a battlecarrier).

The Calakmul must be fairly impressive if the Earth forces can't just wave motion gun the whole fleet it oblivion from range. That or the perfect an effective tactic using the Madaruusa-class ships for long range suppression fire while the other ships shield them from the Earth fleet, requiring some counter strategy. And/or a massive load of Cosmo Tigers to break them up.

owlminerva

2017-02-27, 10:44

ithekro,
Do we have a confirmed range on all these weapons?
1. megaruda magna flame gun?
2. yamato's shock cannons
3. andromeda's shock cannons
4.yamato's wave motion gun
5. andromeda's wave motion gun
6. range of Gamilas best long range weapon?

TZoli

2017-02-27, 11:18

The Dessler Cannon has a range of 1-5 AU (Astronomical Unit) or 150-750 million Km depending on how far was the gas giant from Gamillas when Dessler fired the cannon from the space station / fortress. Though that may be have longer range because of better power sources provided by the station. A Ship mounted might have less than that say 5-25 or 10-50 million km.

Yamato's Wave Motion Cannon and so Andromeda's Dispersion Wave Motion Cannon seems to have the same range as what we seen Andromeda fired from quite behind the main fleet.

TZoli

2017-02-27, 11:37

Odd question. Where is Quarkboy? I am pretty sure he helped with the translation for Yamato 2199's subtitles.

I was thinking, after watching a clip of the gathering EDF in Yamato 2....there were five major Earth fleets in the Sol System. One for Each Andromeda? Or will they have added even more by the time the Comet Empire gets their main force to Earth's system? be interesting if by the time of the "Battle of Saturn" there were five Apollo Norm type ships and six Andromeda type ships, with a seventh Andromeda under construction, and a Sixth Apollo Norm also underway. The Sixth Carrier "A13" might never be finished, or be destroyed in another series, but the Seventh Andromeda, mysterious "A12" would survive for decades. For the Battle of Saturn, The Six Andromeda form the Core Fleet, while Yamato and the five Apollo Norm do the run on the enemy carriers. The Main fleet has several Dreadnauts with them as well as some newer cruisers and destroyer types. Yamato gets the remains of the older ships, the Kongos, Marusame, and Isokazes. At least that is what I'm thinking might happen. This could also give rise to several different paint jobs for all the Earth ships types if there are five fleets.

This is assuming we don't see a Lexington-class analog (converted Dreadnaut into a battlecarrier).

Well there are already quite a few official paint schemes available from the old series:

http://tzoli.deviantart.com/art/EDF-Andromeda-Fleet-Colour-Schemes-Part-1-551603440
http://tzoli.deviantart.com/art/EDF-Andromeda-Fleet-Colour-Schemes-Part-2-551603800
http://tzoli.deviantart.com/art/EDF-Andromeda-Fleet-Colour-Schemes-Part-3-551603677

Out of these the official are:
Grey-yellow used by Andromeda and the standard designs (Borodino, Lexington)
Grey-blue used by Arizona
Blue-white used by the Blue Noah, the colony ships and their escorts.
Red-yellow-white and yellow-red-white-black used by the fleet(s) at present at the battle of Pluto

owlminerva

2017-02-27, 12:14

Anyone seen any reviews of the movie release?

Ithekro

2017-02-27, 13:49

As far as I know we don't have a maximum range for the shock cannons. I suppose we could go back and figure it out based on when Yamato opens up on targets. All seem to be visual range, but that might just be convenience for our sake. Likely not much more than a light-second's distance (roughly Earth to the Moon, approximately 400,000 km) though as they have to track a target to hit it. We know Yamato can track ships at least as far away as 50 light-seconds or approximately 15 million km. (or about 15,000 Megameters for those that remember that Star Blazers tended to use Megameters in the dubbing)

The Medaruusa's Magna Flame Gun is said to have a long range as it can warp the beam to the target. They seemed to be firing from beyond Gamilas weapons ranges at the start of Ark of the Stars, and were bombarding the planets from a fair distance. Yamato and the Gamilas fleet closing on them into the rings to be able to allow Yamato to fire her shock cannon into the large enemy vessel. The magna flame gun beam was seen traveling from its warp out point in the rings around the planet to striking the planet's surface. It does not do all that much damage to the planet though. Wave Motion Guns seem to be far more powerful as they appear to be able to cut through planets.

There will probably be a review out by tomorrow I suspect.

TZoli

2017-02-27, 14:00

Maybe you could use these old data based on the Starblazers Manual: (From the 1980/90's?)
http://worldofjaymz.wikia.com/wiki/Starblazers_EDF

Ithekro

2017-02-27, 14:21

If I base on the ranges given in the old Yamato series, it is 10,000 km for the shock cannons.

If I extrapolate a range based on the hex grid on the table top game using the stated range of the Magnaflame gun verse wave motion guns in Star Blazers, I get the standard wave motion gun and shock cannon range on the Borodino-class as approximately 400 Megameters, or 400,000 km, with the Magnaflame gun being able to fire at 800 Megameters or 800,000 km. Yamato and Andromeda have longer ranged wave motion guns than the Borodino type, with Yamato being out to around 480 Megameters for Yamato and ~533 Megameters.

GundamFan0083

2017-02-27, 14:40

I am sure the subbed version will come out in April, people are not that patient these days. I guess they do not want our money.

Now I wonder why the bluray has star blazers 2202 on it than. Just seems pointless, do the japanese even know what star blazers is.

That's what I'm hoping for, that in April Ban Dai will announce some type of international edition of 2202 and it will contain English-Subs.

If not, then it will likely be fan-subbed and pirated.
I mean, if you can still get Getter-robo and Mazinger-Z fan-subbed, then there is no doubt in my mind this will get fan-subbed if Ban Dai fails to release an official version.

I really hope they do release an official subbed edition so I can buy it and help support future Yamato projects.
I dislike piracy, and would prefer to help financially support Ban Dai's revival of what I consider to be the greatest of all anime series. :)

TZoli

2017-02-27, 16:31

Here is the Isokaze refit as requested:
http://orig15.deviantart.net/c52d/f/2017/058/4/0/isokaze_class_refit_edf_shimakaze_by_tzoli-db070d8.png

skaianDestiny

2017-02-27, 18:43

Looks good, however it seems you're missing the blue on the base of the tail fins on the top view.

Did my scale pixels of the refit.

http://i.imgur.com/zHMsRkJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/b6cqIYy.png

Ithekro

2017-02-27, 21:39

An interedting question for episode one. Just how much of the fleet was left behind in the Sol System? (Though it seems that Earth has figured out how to make long distance warps...depending on where the battle is taking place). Aside from the four unfinished Andromedas and Yamato, what else is left?

TZoli

2017-02-28, 00:53

Looks good, however it seems you're missing the blue on the base of the tail fins on the top view.

Did my scale pixels of the refit.

http://i.imgur.com/zHMsRkJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/b6cqIYy.png

I don't see those colours on your pixel art so I left it light grey

skaianDestiny

2017-02-28, 02:06

I don't see those colours on your pixel art so I left it light grey
I accidentally left out the base of the rear fins, which I noticed after you posted the finished version. I fixed them in the pixel art I posted.

skaianDestiny

2017-02-28, 03:11

Here's the Darold and her sisters. The Mirangal may not be 100% accurate as I had to piece her camo together from fan models and the eyeballing from the movie.

http://i.imgur.com/upQk8MX.png
http://i.imgur.com/inIqFCa.png

Did we ever figure out how many Czvarkes a Gelvades-class could hold?

Ithekro

2017-02-28, 03:51

skaianDestiny

2017-02-28, 05:13

No, but I estimated based on what I could do with scaling the fighter to her hanger decks, that something like 60 could fit in there.

There are two levels of hanger, plus the covered deck space under the main batteries and superstructure. Should be plenty of room for 60 fighters or dive bombers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/Scan0026_zpsvx20zc88.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ithekro/media/Scan0026_zpsvx20zc88.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/ithekro/Gamilas%20battlecarrier%20hanger%20deck_zpsvkznlqo x.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ithekro/media/Gamilas%20battlecarrier%20hanger%20deck_zpsvkznlqo x.png.html)

Also she probably can't operate the torpedo bombers if my scaling is even remotely close to correct.

If this is the case, the Gamilas battlecarriers would carry a third of what an Earth battlecarrier of the Andromeda type can carry. Though I wonder, aside from the wave motion guns, would you rather have three Gamilas battlecarriers over one Apollo Norm?

Depends on how impressive the Andromedas' armament ends up being, since a lot of it is new. Going by these Google translations:
two-dimensional wave wave implosion radiator (common name: diffusion wave cannon)
40.6 cm three consecutive convergence compression type shock wave turret × 4
rapid fire torpedo tube × 4
gravitian spread launcher × 4
quadruped pair Ship Grenade Projector x 2 \
Subspace Torpedo Launcher x 4
Commander Protection Shockfield Gun x 3
Sixth Union Battle Battle Side Ray Projection Gun x 2
The Andromeda has one hell of a broadside as well as a varied armament. The carrier type would only be lacking 2 of the turrets. While the Gelvades may have more straight up guns with wide angles of fire, all of them are on the weaker side. The Andromeda-class is simply a lot more versatile.

TZoli

2017-02-28, 11:06

Funny Yuki:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=46430284
Slightly R-18 Teresa (Naked)
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=61686219

skaianDestiny

2017-02-28, 20:39

Here's the Gamilas transport seen taking on the freed prisoners in episode 22 of 2199. Not entirely sure about the colors as we've only seen the backside of the ship.

http://i.imgur.com/Qx6dPXq.png

GundamFan0083

2017-02-28, 23:46

Not sure if anybody is interested, but since we're on the subject of Isokaze/Yukikaze variants, this one comes from the old Yamato PS2 game series and it is interesting.

http://www.ourstarblazers.com/vault-images/apr09/34213.JPG

Source:

http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/342/

August138

2017-03-01, 06:55

I don't get it, why would they undercut their profits like this. Many of us bought the English-subbed version of the Japanese Blue-Rays.

There is minimal profit from overseas buyers, which number probably well under 100 in the US, for example. But, the reason for the lack of English Subtitles is potential North American licensees.

Since this decision can change and new edition (say an International edition) can certainly be released, I'll wait and hold out hope that this is only for the domestic release and that they plan on an international release through Voyager.

Voyager Entertainment is working on licensing the both 2199 and 2202 to various foreign territories including Germany, France, and the US (they've licensed 2199 to Italy and a Blu-ray Box Set has already been issued there). This is the main reason why the English Subs are not going to be included on the Japanese domestic Blu-rays of 2202.

However, if Voyager pulls the same type of crap they did with the 2199 release (all the Starblazer nonsense) then I can see 2202 getting subbed, and pirated over this very bad decision.

Again, Voyager is not going to be distributing 2199 and 2202 to North America themselves; they are currently in talks to US-based companies to take on these series, and then the distribution will be the sole responsibility of said licensee. Hopefully, it will be a high-profile company such as Crunchyroll or Funimation. Again, this is not a "very bad decision", this is a sound business decision.

If Voyager insisted on English Subtitles for the domestic release of 2202, that might deter companies such as Funimation, since that would constitute a parallel release, and could impede a deal between Voyager and said potential licensees. "Why would we want to license a series that's already available with English Subtitles to anyone with an Amazon account?" It's a logical decision.

Although frustrating for a handful of overseas fans.

Ban Dai needs to stop making bad decisions like this that promote piracy.

Bandai (one word) had nothing to do with this decision. Bandai only has the right to release the series on DVD and Blu-ray domestically in Japan, only. The decision to exclude English Subtitles was made by the folks at the top, led by producer Shoji Nishizaki (son of Yamato creator-producer Yoshinobu Nishizaki), who is the head honcho of Voyager Entertainment.

Regardless, my Blu-ray of Volume 1 is on the way from Japan, and instead of waiting to see what may or may not happen with the series being properly launched in North America, I'm going to support and purchase all seven volumes of 2202. As I did with 2199, I'll be shelling out more to get the Theater Exclusives. And... When there is a US release, I'll double dip to support future Yamato productions.

Mostly, because I'm nuts. :P

August138

2017-03-01, 07:07

From my Yamato pal, Gwyn Campbell... "For those who aren't adverse to spoilers and are interested in what happens in Chapter 1 of Yamato 2202, we had the privilege or sitting down with Tim Eldred (ourstarblazers.com) here in Tokyo to talk all about it. ;) SPOILER WARNING IS IN FULL EFFECT!"

Deculture Shock's SpeakerPODcast Episode 76: "YAMATO 2202 CH.1: BEGINNINGS"
http://www.decultureshock.com/speakerpodcast-ep-76-yamato-2202-ch-1-beginnings/

August138

2017-03-01, 07:27

Yes, while it's been stated that the name is from an incident during the Battle of Okinawa at the end of World War 2, these statements have been dismissive of the importance and severity of said skirmish involving the US Marines to take said position, known as "Sugar Loaf Hill" — called a "killing ground" by historians. Sugar Loaf Hill was a small, insignificant-looking mound, barely 50 feet high and about 300 yards long, situated on the southern end of Okinawa.

It was part of a triangle of strongpoints set up by the Japanese defenders to delay and damage the attacking American forces. It took eleven tries during a 12-day period, decimating nearly three regiments, before the hill was taken from the Japanese. Regiments were reduced to company strength, and companies to platoon size. In some cases, whole platoons and squads simply ceased to exist. The Japanese were so entrenched that many Marines fought the battles without ever sighting the enemy.

Eventually, the realization sank in, that the mound was an interlocking system of caves and tunnels with the firing ports so cleverly disguised as to be virtually undetectable. The tanks being used to support the assaults often fell victim to mines, artillery and antitank fire. The killing ground leading up to Sugar Loaf was littered for days by the dead, and it was only after the battle that they could be recovered. By the time it was all over, 1,656 Marines were dead and 7,429 were wounded.

So, christening a UNCF ship, Sugarloaf, takes on a whole new meaning to those who are aware of one of the bloodiest battles ever fought by the US Marine Corps.

Ithekro

2017-03-01, 09:02

Piecing together things found online, short clips, podcasts, and other things make it seem plausible to figure things out.

And they are correct on that podcast; Yamamoto's "Under Armour" is quite nice.

Heibi

2017-03-01, 09:23

That's what I'm hoping for, that in April Ban Dai will announce some type of international edition of 2202 and it will contain English-Subs.

If not, then it will likely be fan-subbed and pirated.
I mean, if you can still get Getter-robo and Mazinger-Z fan-subbed, then there is no doubt in my mind this will get fan-subbed if Ban Dai fails to release an official version.

I really hope they do release an official subbed edition so I can buy it and help support future Yamato projects.
I dislike piracy, and would prefer to help financially support Ban Dai's revival of what I consider to be the greatest of all anime series. :)

Problem is they have Voyager in their credits at the end of the movie. Voyager didn't even finish the release of 2199. Don't care since I was buying 2199 direct from Japan along with the movie that occurs before the Yamato gets back to Earth. But I do care since this is bad news for those of us wanting to see an English subtitled version of 2202.

Voyager still hasn't updated their page since the Aug 2014 delay announcement and order page announcement. 2 1/2 years of silence does not bode well for a timely 2202 release. And if any of the translation contains the words Argo, Wildstar, Venture, etc... they can kiss any sales to me goodbye.

I'm sure the fansubs will be popping up thanks to Bandai's shortsighted decision. They could have marketed this so well to those of us not in Japan. And I'm sure there are many of us here who would have paid the extra bucks to get the Blu-ray from them with subtitles.

TZoli

2017-03-01, 11:01

Nice AMV with a sad song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqjbsvcvbyo

But you see much more scenes giving a correct story beginning!

bensellers

2017-03-01, 13:14

Ooh nice! Did I see the cargo ship from Yamato Resurrection in there?

TZoli

2017-03-01, 13:26

Yes! That is the cargo ship Yuki!
http://www.ourstarblazers.com/vault-images/dec09/39826.JPG

bensellers

2017-03-01, 13:26

Yes! That is the cargo ship Yuki!
http://www.ourstarblazers.com/vault-images/dec09/39826.JPG
Well that appears to confirm they're going to be tying this in with resurrection.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-01, 13:40

Hmmm, I wouldn't say that quite yet. Pretty sure that was from the Under Armor ad, which I'm fairly sure is noncanon.

TZoli

2017-03-01, 13:41

What is this Under Armour thing? Isn't it a fictional company in Yamato 2202 Anime?

bensellers

2017-03-01, 14:12

Hmmm, I wouldn't say that quite yet. Pretty sure that was from the Under Armor ad, which I'm fairly sure is noncanon.
Actually, listening to the podcast interview with Tim Eldred, the footage from the Under Armor ad (except for Yamamoto blowing up the battleship) is canon and shows up in episode 2. And the rest of the footage in the Amv is certainly not in the under armor ad, which makes me think the entirety of the footage in the AMV is from the actual episodes.

EDIT: Also, Kodai's ship is UNCF-00885-2201, which means the UNCN has built 885 ships (at least) in the year 2201 alone, right? That's...really goddamn impressive.

TZoli

2017-03-01, 15:09

bensellers

2017-03-01, 15:12

According to the Japanese Wiki, the Murasame refit replaced it's 20cm nose shock cannon with a 28cm one while the 20cm guns replaced by shock cannons, different torpedoes and added Wave motion core as well as Wave motion shields!
Yeah I think we've known that for a couple weeks since SD posted the google translate version of the mecha description on the website. Sorry.

TZoli

2017-03-01, 15:19

Probably but difficult to search back in the forum. Well I did not know that.

bensellers

2017-03-01, 15:35

Probably but difficult to search back in the forum. Well I did not know that.
It's fine. Did you also know that the Kongo's bow shock cannon's been upgraded to a 46cm like the Yamato's main guns?

August138

2017-03-01, 15:36

Problem is they have Voyager in their credits at the end of the movie.

That's because Voyager is the owner of the new and continuing YAMATO franchise, founded by the late creator-producer Yoshinobu Nishizaki, and now run by his son, Shoji Nishizaki. 2199 and 2202 were/are produced by a number of companies who are ponying up the money to make the series the best they can be for the domestic release — which is their primary objective. Voyager handles the worldwide sales outside of Japan, because it's their property.

Voyager didn't even finish the release of 2199... But I do care since this is bad news for those of us wanting to see an English subtitled version of 2202.

Voyager halted the production of Volume 5 & 6 for the North American release and shut down all of their US operations because they had entered a deal to produce a live action "Star Blazers" movie with a Hollywood studio, Skydance Pictures (the producers of the "Mission Impossible" movies), so that they didn't have any competing product on the American market. While this was the case, I do agree that they should've just followed through with the last two volumes and then scaled back.

Voyager still hasn't updated their page since the Aug 2014 delay announcement and order page announcement. 2 1/2 years of silence does not bode well for a timely 2202 release.

The reality is that Voyager is not in the business of the hands-on distribution for North America and beyond. Voyager has been in discussions with potential US distributors, who will then be responsible for the marketing and sales in North America. Let's hope for one of the big players such as Funimation or Crunchyroll, who will get the series (both 2199 and 2202; and the "Ark" feature film) the widest possible distribution over here.

What is this Under Armour thing? Isn't it a fictional company in Yamato 2202 Anime?

It's a real-world corporation. Under Armour is an worldwide American sportswear company headquartered in Baltimore, Maryland with additional North American corporate offices in Austin and Houston, Denver, New York, San Francisco, Portland, Nashville, and Toronto. Under Armour's International Headquarters is located in Panama City, Panama, with European headquarters in Amsterdam's Olympic Stadium and regional headquarters for Greater China in Shanghai. Under Armour products have been featured in the Marvel Cinematic Universe films. Under Armour in Japan is run more like a franchise, and was the office that cut the deal with Voyager to be a product placement sponsor in YAMATO: 2202.

Well that appears to confirm they're going to be tying this in with resurrection.

RESURRECTION belongs in the original continuity of television series and films ("Space Battleship Yamato" through "Final Yamato"), not in the current continuity ("2199", "Ark", "2202").

Ithekro

2017-03-01, 15:40

The freighter presented is the Kasaragi, U.N.C.F.Com.-74685-2200. Under the command of Ota (former navigation radar operator on Yamato). - Note that the hull number might be off due to the hull numbers being barely legible in the images I've seen, and some numbers can look like other numbers.

Because the Earth mecha designs are by Makoto Kobayashi for Yamato 2202 and Resurrection, it is logical that the designs would be similar if not repeated. It is possible that due to the success of Yamato 2199 and hopefully Yamato 2202, that they might try to retcon Yamato: Resurrection "Part 1" into its continuity via the "Part 2" which is still unproduced.

bensellers

2017-03-01, 15:52

Ithekro

2017-03-01, 15:56

Shima might, though given his uniform, I think Shima might be in command of a warship that escorts the freighters routinely.

bensellers

2017-03-01, 16:08

True. On another note, I found this on Kobayashi's twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5ebZUjVUAQh4Cm.jpg

skaianDestiny

2017-03-01, 16:32

What is this Under Armour thing? Isn't it a fictional company in Yamato 2202 Anime?
Under Armor is a real life clothing company. They got some sort of sponsorship deal with 2202, hence why the Under Armor logo is plastered all over the Cosmo Tiger I and Yamamoto's flight suit. You can buy some of their merchandise.

Actually, listening to the podcast interview with Tim Eldred, the footage from the Under Armor ad (except for Yamamoto blowing up the battleship) is canon and shows up in episode 2. And the rest of the footage in the Amv is certainly not in the under armor ad, which makes me think the entirety of the footage in the AMV is from the actual episodes.

EDIT: Also, Kodai's ship is UNCF-00885-2201, which means the UNCN has built 885 ships (at least) in the year 2201 alone, right? That's...really goddamn impressive.
Well the Cosmo Tiger I blowing up the Calakmul in 2 shots was the most egregious part of the trailer, so alright. If they're tying Resurrection with this continuity, then that class of ship has been serving for about 20 years.

As for the number, it could mean multiple things. 885 battleships in 2201, 885 battleships in total (including those built in 2200), 885 ships of any class (the cruisers also have the same numbering) in 2201, or 885 total ships of any class in total. Leaning toward the latter myself. In any case, they likely had Gamilon help in construction. It's still not as impressive as building a completely new fleet of original warships in one year by themselves in the original though.

According to the Japanese Wiki, the Murasame refit replaced it's 20cm nose shock cannon with a 28cm one while the 20cm guns replaced by shock cannons, different torpedoes and added Wave motion core as well as Wave motion shields!
The Kongou also had its bow shock cannon enlarged to 460mm.

From Kobayashi's Twitter:
http://i.imgur.com/Vz1bXo9.jpg

Ithekro

2017-03-01, 16:43

Still hoping to see the old Earth ships use those bow mounted shock cannons. They keep mentioning them, but have yet to use them.

As for the tweeted Comet battleship-flagship, my guess it is will be Naska's flagship for attacking Planet 11 (Brumas) in the next chapter. Almost ironic considering they more or less named the Comet carrier class after him because of his prominent use of it at Planet 11 in Yamato 2. But just one of those battleships seems to be a problem for the Earth ships presently. Maybe with the data from blowing one up, they can fit out Yamato and the newer ships to defeat them more regularly. Or hit them head on with a wave motion gun each time, rather than the spread effect version that only chars its hull.

GundamFan0083

2017-03-01, 16:58

Problem is they have Voyager in their credits at the end of the movie. Voyager didn't even finish the release of 2199. Don't care since I was buying 2199 direct from Japan along with the movie that occurs before the Yamato gets back to Earth. But I do care since this is bad news for those of us wanting to see an English subtitled version of 2202.

Voyager still hasn't updated their page since the Aug 2014 delay announcement and order page announcement. 2 1/2 years of silence does not bode well for a timely 2202 release. And if any of the translation contains the words Argo, Wildstar, Venture, etc... they can kiss any sales to me goodbye.

I'm sure the fansubs will be popping up thanks to Bandai's shortsighted decision. They could have marketed this so well to those of us not in Japan. And I'm sure there are many of us here who would have paid the extra bucks to get the Blu-ray from them with subtitles.

I agree, and many fans have expressed similar sentiment about it if Voyager does to 2202 what they did to 2199 with the whole "Argo, Wildstar" nonsense. Many of of us who watched as kids learned what the show really was about, what the names were, etc. and have no interest in seeing a rehash of the Americanized version in the new series.

I imagine that if there is no official international release, then there will absolutely be a pirated-fan-subbed release. It's just the way the world works today and these companies need to understand this.
Sure, we are happy to support them (I did when I shelled out five-hundred bucks for the blue-rays, as did others here), but that was because they were english-subbed properly.
I didn't buy the Voyager release because it had the names changed to the Starblazers silliness.
If Voyager had done a US release with the original subs, I would have bought from them instead of direct from Japan.
BTW, if anybody still hasn't gotten the Blue-Ray set, it is still available from CDJapan.
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/BCXA-1193

The movie is also available.

So in short, I agree with you Heibi.
I don't care whose decision this was, it was not a smart one and is inviting trouble.

TZoli

2017-03-01, 17:04

It did more than to charcoal it's hull, all weapon systems seems to be destroyed, though the internal part was intact at least the navigational system and the engines. I wonder where did the Comet Empire got the co-ordinates for the solar system and for Earth? Also Andromeda's dispersion wave motion cannon could only seriously damage but not destroy it? It needed a 48cm shock cannon hit to finish her? I don't want to think how strong will be Zordar's flagship, Battleship Gatlantis itself!! (Not the comet, the monster inside it! )
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/comet/dreadnaught_portentdarkness.jpg

Ithekro

2017-03-01, 17:22

The monster inside requires a miracle to defeat.

From what I'm piecing together, it seems like the battleship was able to track two Earth cruiser (one being Saratoga) back to Earth. Though the ship seems to be on a direct course for Earth HQ, so maybe they can home in on those long distance communications since Earth was basically doing a live hyperspace feed for the whole battle.

I think it was a mix of the ship entering Earth's atmosphere that weakened whatever was preventing damage to it enough for Yamato's shock cannon to bore through that ship. Or Yamato's guns have that spiraling effect that makes them more effective, but Andromeda should be able to do that as well. So it was probably a mix of factors plus Sanada's science that saved the day.

It should be noted that warp travel appears to not only be quick but long ranged now. I don't know where the battle took place relative to Earth, but the ships were able to warp directly to the Solar System. I guess that might be due to experience based on both Yamato's voyage and information provided by the Gamilas who routinely were able to out run Yamato with their warping abilities. Though one imagines there has to be another Gate in the Milky Way other than the one at Beeland, since Dommel's fleet was able to get from Balun to Yamato and back, and then Dommel to Gamilas, in only a few weeks to a month, rather than the six month or so voyage from the Milky Way to Iscandar, or the expected two or three month trek of the Gamilas fleet from Balun back to Gamilas without a Gate.

Also one hopes that the network has been at least somewhat repaired since 2199 to reconnect Gamilas holding from the homeworlds to the Milky Way and any other point the Balun Gates were a hub for.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-01, 18:38

Here's the Murasame.

http://i.imgur.com/O6VZWRj.png
http://i.imgur.com/OJ3Y7yv.png

Ithekro

2017-03-01, 19:34

Remember there are also the Yamato 2202 paint jobs now for this ship. At least two that we have seen. The more common style as seen on ships like the Saratoga, Kirk, Patterson, and Farragut. These have the upper hull in a light grey (possibly slightly bluish or maybe metallic) with a rust red under side of the hull and the same cream trim as the two lower examples above. The nose cone is the same cream from the line at the torpedoes tubes forward. The engine nozzle is black. And the uncommon one seen on the Intrepid, which might be a medical ship. This is the ship the new model kit is based on. Similar paint pattern to the top Mursame, but with the red replaced with a dark blue, The cream replaced by a blueish gray, and the yellow replaced by a cream.

If Bandai makes all these variations as well as expands the Earth fleet model kits and Gatlantis kits while bringing back the Gamilas kits....they will make a killing in model sales.

August138

2017-03-01, 19:37

I agree, and many fans have expressed similar sentiment about it if Voyager does to 2202 what they did to 2199 with the whole "Argo, Wildstar" nonsense... I didn't buy the Voyager release because it had the names changed to the Starblazers silliness... If Voyager had done a US release with the original subs, I would have bought from them instead of direct from Japan

Ironically, the US release didn't employ the "Star Blazers" naming conventions. All of the names of characters and places in the "Star Blazers 2199" releases are still, stubbornly, Japanese. There were minor changes to subtitles, with the scripts given a rewrite, allowing better clarity for some passages of dialogue, and slightly different rendering of the nomenclature ("Garmillas" reverts back to "Gamilas", etc.). So, I double-dipped to support these releases on both sides of the Pacific.

I imagine that if there is no official international release, then there will absolutely be a pirated-fan-subbed release. It's just the way the world works today and these companies need to understand this. I don't care whose decision this was, it was not a smart one and is inviting trouble.

The fact of the matter is that this decision was made as to not deter any potential North American licensees. Tim Eldred of "Our Star Blazers" said head honcho Shoji Nishizaki told him this past weekend that an announcement concerning North America should be made soon. So, let's not cut off our noses to spite our faces; although, with that being said, I completely understand the frustration of non-Japanese fans, because I'll have to wait on screening 2202 for those who don't understand the language. In the meantime, I'll keep buying the Japanese Blu-rays (and if fansubs make it more accessible to those curious, until a legit release happens, there's nothing we can really do about that).

Ithekro

2017-03-01, 19:56

I think the perpetuation of the false idea that Star Blazers 2199 had Westernized the show in the subtitles is the remains if their attempt to get it dubbed and the commercial they used for that purpose. That idea alone turned several people of if getting the Star Blazers 2199 discs when you could get the four volumes of it to cut down the cost of getting the Yamato 2199 discs even though you still had to get volumes five, six, and seven because of how the two sets did not exactly match up (you'd end up with two copies of episodes 15 and 16).

However, the discs are still subtitled with the Japanese names and/or the more commonly accepted name for the technology items over the last 40 or so years. I don't think they will try to revert back to the Undulation Cannon from the Farewell to Yamato. Though I don't know what they will use for Andromeda's weapons or other new technology items they've added to the show.

YF19EX

2017-03-01, 20:11

After listening to that analysis podcast from 31:44 and up, I can pretty well agree with all much of their analysis and the psychology of the fan reaction. Obviously I am right up there with the initial disappointment in how they are doing 2202, as it does feel like a step back because it is such an turn around from 2199s release.

But then again, I had to look at the business decision. If Voyager/Bandai are that intertwined in the series rights, then maybe 2199 direct subs may have in inadvertently hurt the international release. Since they say they are planning some kind of international release I do remain hopeful that they manage to put something complete out this time. Needless to say, I will still be scouring Tokyo for a movie limited copy...

August138

2017-03-01, 21:20

I think the perpetuation of the false idea that Star Blazers 2199 had Westernized the show in the subtitles is the remains if their attempt to get it dubbed and the commercial they used for that purpose.

True, although the Bang! Zoom! dub was only intended as a marketing tool primarily to screen for distributors, and there was no real intention by Voyager to dub the rest of the (whomever licensed the series would have to pick up the tab for that). They also insisted that the show be run on network television, and passed on the idea of streaming, or other platforms (before deciding to distribute on DVD and Blu-ray, themselves). Their philosophy towards other platforms has since changed, apparently.

That idea alone turned several people of if getting the Star Blazers 2199 discs when you could get the four volumes of it to cut down the cost of getting the Yamato 2199 discs even though you still had to get volumes five, six, and seven because of how the two sets did not exactly match up (you'd end up with two copies of episodes 15 and 16).

Right, but still, some fans persevered through the fire and the smoke... :D

However, the discs are still subtitled with the Japanese names and/or the more commonly accepted name for the technology items over the last 40 or so years. I don't think they will try to revert back to the Undulation Cannon... Though I don't know what they will use for Andromeda's weapons or other new technology items they've added to the show.

If that's not stipulated by Voyager Entertainment, the potential North American licensees would have free reign. But, in the hands of Crunchyroll or Funimation, I don't think we have to worry too much, since both companies have teams of professional translators on staff.

After listening to that analysis podcast... I can pretty well agree with all much of their analysis [of the fan reaction]... it does feel like a step back because it is such an turn around from 2199s release... I had to look at the business decision... maybe 2199 direct subs may have in inadvertently hurt the international release... Since they say they are planning some kind of international release I do remain hopeful that they manage to put something complete out this time.

The fact of the matter is, if Voyager licenses the series to a North American distributor, that point would be moot, since the marketing and distribution would be entirely in the hands of said North American distributor, and whether it sinks or swims would not be the responsibility or fault of Voyager (nor their Japanese partner companies). Of course, we'll have to wait and see what pans out. Hopefully, there will be an swift (and positive) answer forthcoming.

GundamFan0083

2017-03-01, 22:38

Ironically, the US release didn't employ the "Star Blazers" naming conventions. All of the names of characters and places in the "Star Blazers 2199" releases are still, stubbornly, Japanese. There were minor changes to subtitles, with the scripts given a rewrite, allowing better clarity for some passages of dialogue, and slightly different rendering of the nomenclature ("Garmillas" reverts back to "Gamilas", etc.). So, I double-dipped to support these releases on both sides of the Pacific.

The fact of the matter is that this decision was made as to not deter any potential North American licensees. Tim Eldred of "Our Star Blazers" said head honcho Shoji Nishizaki told him this past weekend that an announcement concerning North America should be made soon. So, let's not cut off our noses to spite our faces; although, with that being said, I completely understand the frustration of non-Japanese fans, because I'll have to wait on screening 2202 for those who don't understand the language. In the meantime, I'll keep buying the Japanese Blu-rays (and if fansubs make it more accessible to those curious, until a legit release happens, there's nothing we can really do about that).

August, when they released this turd-subbed trailer, they lost my money.

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If they do that type of shit again, they lose my money again.
If Bandai, or whomever, decides they don't want a true-to-the-show English subbed release, then it will get fan-subbed and pirated.
That is the reality of the situation and I know this because there are anime from the 1970s that are fan-subbed that you can still get today, even though no official English subbed versions exist.
Mazinger-Z, and Getter Robo being some of the best examples.

I'm HOPING for a legit subbed version so I can BUY IT, but I'm not going to throw my money away on either a version I'd have to translate myself, or one that is poorly subbed.

I can think of better ways to waste my money. :)

On the other subject in this thread.
I've started working on a 3D-model for the Isokaze class space destroyer types.
It will take awhile since I have to meet the deadlines of my paying clients before I can have fun with this model.
I'll keep you all posted as I continue to work on it. :)

http://pre02.deviantart.net/b3df/th/pre/f/2017/060/e/0/isokaze_class_by_kodai_okuda-db0uqye.jpg

Ithekro

2017-03-01, 23:19

The question is (I don't have the Star Blazers 2199 release as I bought the Yamato 2199 release as they came out), do they call the ship "Argo" on the actual discs, or was that only in the trailer?

August138

2017-03-01, 23:34

August, when they released this turd-subbed trailer, they lost my money... If they do that type of shit again, they lose my money again...

Yeah, I got that the first twenty times... :D Yeah, that was all a colossal crapfest. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to feel one way or the other. I'm just imparting facts, so the discussion remains... factual.

If Bandai, or whomever, decides they don't want a true-to-the-show English subbed release, then it will get fan-subbed and pirated.

Never argued this point; in fact, I was one of the first people — once this was confirmed — who said, "Here come the fansubs!" It may also be interesting to note that, even with the legit subbed Blu-rays of 2199, people were still ripping and torrenting them; some even "tweaking" the subtitle scripts. Unfortunately, we can't stop that from happening, and frankly, that's out of our hands.

That is the reality of the situation and I know this because there are anime from the 1970s that are fan-subbed that you can still get today, even though no official English subbed versions exist. Mazinger-Z, and Getter Robo being some of the best examples.

BTW, the legit release of MAZINGER Z was issued by Discotek Media a few years back in two box sets. Discotek have issued tons of Old Skool anime, and will continue to do more. Additionally, one fansub group had subbed Tatsunoko's CASSHERN, and once it was announced the series was licensed by Sentai Filmworks, the fansubbers pulled theirs down.

I'm HOPING for a legit subbed version so I can BUY IT, but I'm not going to throw my money away on either a version I'd have to translate myself, or one that is poorly subbed.

It's your money, of course; unfortunately, these matters are out of our hands and not for us to decide. Can we agree to cross our fingers, but not hold our collective breath?

(Good work, by the way.)

The question is (I don't have the Star Blazers 2199 release as I bought the Yamato 2199 release as they came out), do they call the ship "Argo" on the actual discs, or was that only in the trailer?

All Japanese names, only. It's still the Yamato. No "Star Blazers" nomenclature was harmed during the subbing of "Star Blazers 2199". :p

Ithekro

2017-03-02, 01:53

They are running out of BD at the theaters again.

http://yamato2202.net/news/1487933986.html

August138

2017-03-02, 07:08

YAMATO: 2202 CHAPTER 1 Opening:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30712729

YAMATO: 2202 CHAPTER 1 Closing:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30716867

bensellers

2017-03-02, 09:28

Wait- Ithekro, you said the Gatlantis BB tracked the cruisers' warp to earth? If so, Earth should probably institute something like the Cole Protocol. Also, Serizawa is a fucking coward- just look at his reaction to the BB's warp to earth in the amv.

EDIT: I managed to see the name of the second cruiser the BB rams in the amv on a display screen- it's Defiant.

TZoli

2017-03-02, 10:33

My question (as I doing the Murasame and Kongo refits according to skaianDestiny's idea)
What is that radiator thing on the aft part of Kongo just behind the two hanger doors?
http://imgur.com/1Ex8PXY

Also what could be those doors be on the similar part of Murasame under the 3rd turret?
http://imgur.com/VfrHmdR
I've measured the doors are 3x3m (outer part) to 2x2m (inner part) large.

bensellers

2017-03-02, 10:38

skaianDestiny

2017-03-02, 11:21

August138

2017-03-02, 21:23

For those wondering about the system featured during the opening battle in Episode 1 of YAMATO: 2202, production designer and assistant director, Makoto Kobayashi, tweeted this image (titled, "Gas Planet") a while back, and identified the system as 「第８ガミラシア」(Dai-hachi Gamirashia) "Garmillacia/Gamilacia VIII".

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/758/33217882185_dd3d169117_b.jpg

Cosmo Attorney

2017-03-02, 21:25

Hey folks, first time posting here.

On the subject of the new, Space Battleship Yamato 2202 Blu-ray release not including English subtitles, I think August has shared a solid, factual analysis of what the reasons and implications of that decision are. There is at least the possibility, and by all accounts the desire, for Yamato 2202 (and 2199!) to have a formal release Stateside.

Keeping everything in perspective, 2202 was just released in Japan, and the standard Blu-ray isn't even available beyond preorder on Amazon JP yet. Volume 2 is slated for June, I think? Point being, I think patience is the name of the game here - not only vis-a-vis what may prove to be a very lengthy release schedule for Yamato 2202 in Japan, but also in regards to any future subtitled, Stateside release of 2199 and 2202.

Hell, any such "deal" between the Yamato rights-holders and a U.S. distributor may even lead to the possible, future domestic release of the original Space Battleship Yamato and other classic Yamato material. The point is, we don't know for sure, and we have just as many reasons to feel optimistic as we do to feel doubt as to an official, English-language friendly release of 2202 and other Yamato projects. So, let's stay optimistic!

Ithekro

2017-03-02, 23:29

Welcome.

As for the ships, heat radiators or particle collectors. Might also only be for when they are operating in an atmosphere. The only Earth ships that doesn't seem to have some sort of grill-like structure is Yamato. Even the Isokaze-class could has some on the bow.

The big aft door on the Marusame might be just to load parts and supplies for the engine.

As for the planet....It seems squished like Balun did, but without the gates around it or the seemingly bright center. I'm sort of wondering how far away from Earth is it.

GundamFan0083

2017-03-03, 01:16

Yeah, I got that the first twenty times... :D Yeah, that was all a colossal crapfest. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to feel one way or the other. I'm just imparting facts, so the discussion remains... factual.

That trailer is what I saw before making the decision whether to buy direct or wait until Voyager released it stateside.
I shelled out the money to buy direct because of it and am happy with the original Japanese Blue-Rays with English Subs. :)

Never argued this point; in fact, I was one of the first people — once this was confirmed — who said, "Here come the fansubs!" It may also be interesting to note that, even with the legit subbed Blu-rays of 2199, people were still ripping and torrenting them; some even "tweaking" the subtitle scripts. Unfortunately, we can't stop that from happening, and frankly, that's out of our hands.

I guess I'm very bad at explaining my position, so my apologies.
What I DO NOT want to see are any fan-subs of this.
I want to see official subs so I can buy it (I've done that with all the other Yamato merchandise and have purchased either directly from Japan, or from Voyager).
While I don't buy models, I do buy the DVDs and Blue-Rays, and the Movie Books and Tech-manuals.
I still have all the old "This is Animation" Yamato books (and other anime like Macross, Orguss, etc.).
You seem like a rabid fan like me so I imagine your probably have a large collection as well. :)

BTW, the legit release of MAZINGER Z was issued by Discotek Media a few years back in two box sets. Discotek have issued tons of Old Skool anime, and will continue to do more. Additionally, one fansub group had subbed Tatsunoko's CASSHERN, and once it was announced the series was licensed by Sentai Filmworks, the fansubbers pulled theirs down.

Thank you for that link.
While I'm not particularly interested in Go Nagai's stuff, I AM interested in all the Galaxy Express and Harlock they have available. :)

It's your money, of course; unfortunately, these matters are out of our hands and not for us to decide. Can we agree to cross our fingers, but not hold our collective breath?

That's the problem. While the internet is great for many things it also has its downside. It was fansubbing (to some extent) that did damage to the anime industry in the early 2000s (as I'm sure you may remember). While not lethal, it did promote a lot of piracy and that was not a good thing for the industry as a whole.
Thankfully, many companies have added English subs after that period (some still don't unfortunately) and that seems to lessened the problem.

(Good work, by the way.)

Thank you.
I have a bit more, but STO (Star Trek Online) is doing a special this weekend and I would love to get my hands on a Kobali Somar Cruiser (T6). I missed that one when they offered it. :(

Here is what I have after only two nights of work (about three and half hours). I'll work on it more this weekend.

http://pre12.deviantart.net/7101/th/pre/f/2017/061/5/c/isokaze_class_wip_by_kodai_okuda-db0uqye.jpg

For those wondering about the system featured during the opening battle in Episode 1 of YAMATO: 2202, production designer and assistant director, Makoto Kobayashi, tweeted this image (titled, "Gas Planet") a while back, and identified the system as 「第８ガミラシア」(Dai-hachi Gamirashia) "Garmillacia/Gamilacia VIII".

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/758/33217882185_dd3d169117_b.jpg

Thank you for that. I was very curious about where that battle took place. Good to know. :)

Keeping everything in perspective, 2202 was just released in Japan, and the standard Blu-ray isn't even available beyond preorder on Amazon JP yet. Volume 2 is slated for June, I think? Point being, I think patience is the name of the game here - not only vis-a-vis what may prove to be a very lengthy release schedule for Yamato 2202 in Japan, but also in regards to any future subtitled, Stateside release of 2199 and 2202.

Hell, any such "deal" between the Yamato rights-holders and a U.S. distributor may even lead to the possible, future domestic release of the original Space Battleship Yamato and other classic Yamato material. The point is, we don't know for sure, and we have just as many reasons to feel optimistic as we do to feel doubt as to an official, English-language friendly release of 2202 and other Yamato projects. So, let's stay optimistic!

I sure hope they do an international release with English Subs.

Ithekro

2017-03-03, 01:24

That is a very nice bow. The aft end is less finished and is full of detail bits so that will take a while.

skaianDestiny

2017-03-03, 04:06

While we're posting our own things, here's the lady of the year.

http://i.imgur.com/2w538a1.png

While I'm here I just wanna take a look back at the late CanisD's interpretations of the Wave Motion Engine-equipped pre-Yamato Earth ships.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Yamato/cruiser_mogami2.png
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Yamato/torpedodestroyer_lightning2.png

I'm kind of interested in doing a "modern" reinterpretation of them, though Tzoli's already done the Isokaze. Actually, Tzoli do you think you could edit your drawing to have a modified engine that looks like the end of CanisD's version? Something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/RVi430b.png

Ithekro

2017-03-03, 07:23

We use to use some of those designs or ideas about those designs when figuring out what Earth might have before the big 2201 push towards Andromeda. We still use CanisD's Arizona as the top view on the game sheet of the Star Blazers Fleet Battle System game.

As for Yamato 2202. I had a thought. If Gatlantis is a Telezart at the start of the series, and then sets course for Earth....Yamato has to go past them to reach Teresa, and then race home to rejoin the Earth fleet. Also it brings up the series internal timeline question that will be asked a bit by the end of the show....how long will it take Gatlantis to reach Earth. Weeks, months? Most of a year? How long will Earth have to prepare its defenses and new built modern warships that are technologically more like Andromeda than the old Kirishima or even Yamato?

In chapter one, Earth has a LOT of redesigned Kongos and a lot more Marusame-class ships, and probably a bunch of Isokaze torpedo boats. They have Yamato being rebuilt, 3 Andromeda-class Battleships and 2 Apollo Norm-class Battlecarriers. The six larger ships all likely need some working up aside from Andromeda, who likely just finished that in Episode Two. Yamato will be finished at some point in Chapter Two. We know at least one Dreadnaut-class ship will be finished within three or so weeks of Episode Two (assuming that that episode takes place on December 8th, 2202), as 2203 is right around the corner (will ships commissioned in 2203 have that in their hull numbers, or is the hull number the year the ship started construction?). One assumes there will be more of those produced quickly as they are not all that much larger than the Kongo type ships. B

ecause Bandai likes money, I would gather that at least one of the other four similar designs will be produced (the old 2201 fleet battlecruiser, patrol cruiser, destroyer, and frigate designs), though I am unsure of the old style battlecarrier will be made due to the existence of the Apollo Norm, or I the carrier conversion of the Dreadnaught will look more like the Apollo Norm than what we usually call the "Lexington-class.

There could be more Andromeda type ships built while Yamato is away, depending on how long that period of time is. Telezart might be very far away, or well away from the Gamilas/Aquarius built Gates, thus forcing Yamato to go it slower on they way there, but rushing with dangerously long distance warps on the way home. Or the series could have each episode be only a day or less depending on what is going on. In Yamato 2, Gatlantis was stated to be about 6660 hours (around 9 months away) from Earth in episode one. I don't know if any such statement is made from Yamato 2202 when Gatlantis starts to move out. But by the end it has been only a little over four months since the Kodai returned to Earth in 2201 to when the Yamato is making its stand against Gatlantis with the Earth fleet. If Yamato 2202 follows this rough timeline, than the showdown would be somewhere around April of 2203, though if they wanted to tempt fate, have the showdown on April 7th, 2203.