Licensed + Crunchyroll Imouto sae Ireba Ii (A Sister's All You Need)[anime] [Archive]

Stark700

2017-04-13, 05:15

http://i.imgur.com/MK0Yyxh.jpg?1

Light novel 'Imouto sae Ireba Ii' (If Only I Had a Little Sister) is getting a TV anime adaptation. Coming for Fall 2017.

Plot Summary
Surrounded by many different kinds of company, our protagonist: Hopeless siscon Hashima Itsuki.

1st class genius and lover, the high end unfortunate-beauty Kani Nayuta.

Troubled about love, troubled about friendships, troubled even in her dreams, victor of the 3 crowns Shirakawa Miyako.

Brutal tax sabre, Ōno Ashley.

Natural born illustrator, Puriketsu.

Each and every one as hesitant as the next, and each and every one dealing with their own headaches. This is a busy story of a group of bewildering characters that plays games together, takes trips together, and works together, never a single dull day.

Watching over them is the kind and thoughtful, completely perfect, superhuman little brother of Itsuki; Chihiro, with a huge secret of his own―.

From the author that brought you ‘Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai’ (‘Haganai’), Hirasaka Yomi has drawn the curtains for the latest youth love-comedy series!

Source
https://honto.jp/netstore/pd-book_28404969.html

l.kostas

2017-04-13, 13:04

Crunchyroll (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/04/13/imouto-sae-ireba-ii-tv-anime-listed-for-fall): A removed listing cover preview for volume 7, coming May 18th with drama CD tipped off plans for a TV anime adaptation, planned for fall 2017.

Stark700

2017-05-10, 04:04

The official site is up now

http://imoutosae.com/

APNki

2017-05-11, 19:54

Studio Briefly listed as Silver Link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2017-05-11/imoto-sae-ireba-ii-anime-site-briefly-listed-studio-silver-link-director-shin-oonuma/.115987

Stark700

2017-07-18, 12:55

Cast + Staff

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-07-18/imoto-sae-ireba-ii-anime-announces-cast-staff/.119004

APNki

2017-07-19, 08:06

Preview:

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Stark700

2017-09-06, 07:32

Preview
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l.kostas

2017-09-08, 11:06

http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/news/2017-09-06/imoto-sae-ireba-ii-anime-reveals-promo-video-theme-songs-october-8-premiere/.121015

ChouCho is performing the opening theme song "Ashita no Kimi Sae Ireba Ii." (It'll be Good if Only You're Here Tomorrow), previewed in the video, and Aira Yuki is performing the ending theme song "Donna Hoshizora yori mo, Donna Omoide yori mo" (From Whatever Starry Sky, From Whatever Memory).

Stark700

2017-09-27, 15:27

Crunchyroll will stream it.

Their English title is 'A Sister's All You Need'.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/09/27-1/crunchyroll-to-stream-a-sisters-all-you-need-kings-game-konohana-kitan-code-realize-guardian-of-rebirth-and-anime-gataris

l.kostas

2017-10-07, 22:07

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/10/07-1/listen-to-chouchos-a-sisters-all-you-need-op-song-in-preview

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LG-MAX 2.o

2017-10-08, 10:47

before someone speaks of censorship at the beginning of the episode, in the manga also is so, so it was the same.

DragoonKain3

2017-10-08, 11:26

Not gonna lie, was waiting anxiously today for when they were going to air this. And it was worth it, since I loved the episode as a whole. Probably is and will remain my favourite pilot for the cour; maybe Children of the Whales may usurp it, but with it being Netflix, I'm not holding my breath for fansubs.

Was it flawless? No - them doing the 4koma type skits was especially jarring with the 'little sister' stamps separating each segment. Even 4koma adaptations nowadays go for seamless transition, so them doing a step back when the source isn't even 4koma is baffling to say the least.

That said, using the ED as way to illustrate the passage of time, with no dialogue at all? It isn't the first time a song was done that way (last time I remember it done beautifully was Grimgar), but still, it perfectly illustrates how the MC was totally absorbed in Nayu's LN.

Which brings me to my next point... there was a big lack of MC inner thoughts, but unlike Youjitsu, they got the nuances across so it wasn't really needed. That is we were shown:

-MC and Nayu aren't going out, much to Nayu's dismay
-MC and Nayu weren't as pervy when they first met as they are now
-the confession scene is immediately followed by the MC looking at Nayu's book
-then a flashback shows that the MC was actually VERY happy when he got confessed to by Nayu
-MC then spent an entire day just to finish Nayu's novel
-the MC reading flashback was immediately followed by him getting back to work

So while it is unsaid, it is very heavily implied that the MC has repeatedly turned her down not because he finds Nayu unattractive (on the contrary he made remarks that girls shouldn't be all about their face and boobs), but because he doesn't feel worthy to be with her. Maybe he feels jealous of Nayu's prodigious talent, or that he isn't someone who can stand beside her when his writing is trash compared to hers, but whatever the case is, he is still working hard late (even after a party!) to be a writer that can stand beside Nayu.

Of course, Nayu doesn't care about that. To her, the MC literally saved her from the depths of depression, and the entire reason why she started writing was because she wanted to meet this Itsuki-sensei. Heck she was so nervous upon meeting him that she threw up on Itsuki during her debut award ceremony, which is as far removed from her 'daring' actions with Itsuki and also in the shower.

Which brings us to the next nuance... that the MC and Nayu are hiding behind their pervy personas, since it's obvious they weren't this degenerate when they first met. The MC may have imouto tendencies in the beginning (they mention his first series has the imouto as the main heroine), but he really dials it to 11 as a reason to deflect Nayu.

Nayu on the other hand was hero-worshipping the MC before, but now is a totally obsessed pervert that sniffs the MC's underwear. She also speaks in the 'cat' accent, which I personally don't think is a coincidence that her actions are VERY similar to the pervy little sister shown in the beginning of the episode. In essence, she has read Itsuki's novels and manuscripts, and consciously or unconsciously, she is behaving like the imouto heroines from his writing as a means to cope with his constant rejection.

All this from just the first episode! This is the depth I LOVE so much about Imouto sae Ireaba Ii, but of course Nayu isn't the only one introduced this episode. So looking forward to the next episodes detailing the rest of the cast.

blitz1/2

2017-10-08, 12:03

OMG, this series was made for me!!! It's like seeing myself in REAL life in Itsuki1!

HandofFate

2017-10-08, 12:16

this is like a slightly more grown up version of Ero-manga.

Not a fan of all the constant imouto stamps used as a way to transition between scenes and conversations though...

AB079

2017-10-08, 12:58

^I have the same feeling about this series, and to be honest I feel like it was a better than eromanga sensei. Of couse this is nothing out of the ordinary or revolutionary but it has something that makes it fun and appealing, at least is not overrated like Eromanga sensei.

Nayu is a fun character but those imouto stamps were annoying, the MC on the other hand showed his real feelings straight away which is something nice considering most MC's take half of the series on doing that. Also it seems that there is a OTP established already with Nayu and Itsuki, maybe I'm wrong.

ArrowSmith

2017-10-08, 14:09

To me this is the answer to the trash that is Erogmanga sensei. Adult characters living real lives.

I like that we learn why MC is standoffish to Nayu. He's not annoyed by her advances, but feels he's not worthy of being her boyfriend because he writes trash and she writes stuff that moved him to tears. He wants to write something that will impress her.

P.S. Why did the characters reference Oreimo when it's a different studio? I thought that kind of thing was not allowed?

DragoonKain3

2017-10-08, 15:09

One thing I can't figure out is his glass case of imoutos. The easy ones are Miyuki from Irregular at Magic High School in the middle of the screen, and the two on the right of Miyuki are the bakemonogatari imoutos right?

The ones on the left look AWFULLY familiar, but I can't put my finger on it. The one on the far right is just totally obscured, so it needs to be ID'd by the uniform. I guess I'm not an imouto lover enough to figure it out... :heh:

BWTraveller

2017-10-08, 16:49

Judging from those eyes I'm betting Chihiro is a trap. But if that's the case, does that mean he has a basis for his assumptions on what's "normal" to do when you have a little sister? I hope in the next few episodes we don't see Chihiro waking him up naked or kissing him.

Blueknight78

2017-10-08, 17:47

well after the crap ending and crap mc from haganai(which started really awesome but goes on a anwfull terrible way) i was much on the fence over this anime and it indeed somehow was for my not "good expectations".

my big complain so far is really the mc, he is really looking like your generic perv trying to be funny mc which a "golden heart" his siscom is overboard and totally disturbing in many ways.

the first minutes which the "imoto jokes" about milk and eggs and she walking naked and kissing him with tongue, i was like wtft this is a hentai serie????, this beginner disturbed me a lot, if i'm was his editor i could be serious thinking in calling the cops or maybe some psichological help, this guy is a serious nut.

I really can understand his sister crossdressing as a guy, having a dangerous brother like that could be really dangerous if she appear as a girl, the danger of him try to turn her in a sexual slut slave is big.

near the end the reason he is refusing her also look very generic for the typical envy mc which think which he is not "worth of it, really very generic plot which will lead him to be able to rise flags which all the girls as he keep his "crushing over the silver haired girl in check because is much more fun fliriting and rising flags with every girl than hook up which the girl which love you and you are jelly of her "better work" and you feel which only after you draw something Better than her" which you must accept if already is on time, i really can see the whole anime and plot just in one episode.

i will try to stick a little giving the 3 rules episodes but it's really looks like your generic harem not fun shinegans.

Dop

2017-10-08, 18:13

At the start of this show my finger hovered over the stop button as I thought "OH FFS!", but as the scenario became more bizarre and then we entered the real world with the editor neatly skewering the main guy's fetish nonsense, I wondered if this might be going somewhere interesting.

But no.

To be honest the thing I found most interesting in this show is that i don't remember any other anime where people drank stout. Usually when you see people drinking beer in anime it's some foamy lager, so a stout, which is an actual stout (the brewery's name appearing in the end credits) was a welcome change. Sounds like an interesting brew, too.

Other than that, I might give it another episode or two but don't hold out any hopes.

FlareKnight

2017-10-08, 18:18

Yep, that one is instantly dropped. I'm not even talking the borderline insane opening that was just part of a story. This guy is deeply disturbed on a level that he should be on some kind of watch list. It is really no wonder his sister is pretty clearly crossdressing. Who knows what kind of insanity might be unleashed if he found that out.

At least the episode picked up as it went along and more characters got introduced. And yeah his problem seems like a pretty simplistic one. Not going to go out with the girl until he can create something better because her debut piece was so moving.

Clearly a long, long, long, road ahead for him on that front if that thing we saw in the first few minutes of the episode is his best effort.

Wandering Soul

2017-10-08, 20:19

The constant imouto stamps got pretty annoying. They really didn't need them to transition between scenes.

I can hardly blame Chihrio for cross dressing. I wouldn't feel comfortable around a sibling like that.

So far this looks like a better version of Ero manga sensei. That's not much of a accomplishment, but it looks like the characters here have a bit more depth to them.

serenade_beta

2017-10-09, 00:25

*watches episode*

Let me guess, Light Novel?

*checks*

Yup. I wonder how I could tell. Let's add that to the list of mysteries this world have yet to solve...

rladls2121

2017-10-09, 03:27

I love the ending song.

~Yami~

2017-10-15, 10:55

I remembered I dropped the manga from just several pages... yes! due to that weird and unusual delusion toward imouto from the MC

I am glad that the first episode is extended to the point where the plot is getting interesting so I guess I'm on board for this anime

rladls2121

2017-10-15, 12:05

Nayuta mentioned many times she has been saved by Itsuki.

But really, seeing her with Miyako like that, so much to say about the services of them both in the hotel.
This is just too much.

Too bad Itsuki is not interested in these two.

And people really do these things a hotel to get better concentrations?
For real?

Wow Itsuki, his deadline, it doesn't look fine.

AP24

2017-10-15, 12:45

It's still in the middle of LN Vol 1's story but some parts from Ep 2 occur later in the LN. The part where Chihiro is revealed as a girl happens at the end of LN Vol 1.

The service scene at the hotel is actually from Vol 2 and the anime cut out the more lewd parts that happen after Nayuta asks Miyako to fondle her butt. If the anime followed the order of the scenes exactly as in the LN, then the hotel service scene would have occured around Ep 5. Maybe they decided to split that scene by putting the early part in Ep 2 and then the rest will be in Ep 5.

DragoonKain3

2017-10-15, 13:23

Hmm, it's still not entirely clear why Miyako and Itsuki are still friends, when they have such a bad first impression of each other. It was indeed shown later that Miyako envies that both Itsuki and Nayu have goals they are currently passionately working hard for, and THAT is probably why she was drawn to Itsuki in the first place seeing him work so intensely during lectures. Still, that part was shown near the end of the episode, while Miyako/Itsuki's first meeting was the first part of the episode, so they could have done that bit a lot better by adding a line or two before moving on to Miyako/Nayu's first meeting.

But apart from that? I LOVED it.

First things first, while they may have botched Miyako/Itsuki, the 'show, not tell' approach as to why Nayu and Miyako are close is exceptional. It was just a flashback of scenes with a matching accompaniment, so they didn't go into the details of Nayu/Miyako's conversation, but it conveyed how bad Nayu had it at school and that it affected Miyako pretty well. And of course how touched Nayu was at Miyako's crying for her.

As an aside, Nayu is not blind or dumb. She knows Miyako has feelings for Itsuki from the moment they met, but she was won over by Miyako's kindness. She's good friends with Miyako mostly because Miyako is in denial, but maybe partly as well knowing that if she (Nayu) can't get together with Itsuki, Miyako is a rather good choice due to her kind personality.

Then there's Haruto going out of his way to attract the yaoi fangirls, when the episode itself has a scene going out of its way to attract the yuri fanboys (and people still get butthurt by the word 'yuribait' :rolleyes:). Yeah, I can excuse the excessive fanservice this episode because it DOES drive the point rather well in regards to Haruto's character. XD

Which leads us to Haruto's role in this series. It seems compared to Nayu and Itsuki's prodigal writing abilities, Haruto is more the cold and calculated type who understands what the market wants and then caters to their taste. He represents the more business side of the industry, and would do anything and everything for more sales. And he's damn good at it, as evidenced to be the only character to actually have an anime series based on his books.

(As a side note: You know what Haruto reminds me of? The multitude of LN writers who made a harem battle action LN just to ride the hypewave of SAO IMO. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but I daresay quite a few did it to make a quick buck. But I digress...)

Of course, his complex seems to about being called a 'product'. He didn't win the award (Itsuki did and they debuted the same year), but it looks like he actually believed it. He may or may not have been writing for the market from the beginning, but he certainly did double down on being a 'product'. And going by him having an adaptation of his works, I bet he is making more money than Itsuki, and maybe even Nayu, but still even to this day he feels jealous.

Which I guess is the entire point of the episode; everyone wants what another one has, which to the other person, thinks nothing of it. Haruto wants to be called a talent and does his everything to succeed, but Nayu/Itsuki just gloss over how easy their writing ability got them to the top. Itsuki wants a real imouto, and Haruto does have the quintessential LN imouto but thinks she's annoying. Miyako envies Nayu's frankness with her feelings judging by the end of the episode, but Nayu envies the time Miyako spent with Itsuki at school, and neither thinks what they have is significant. The grass is really greener on the other side, I suppose.

As for Chihiro, this person looks to be disturbed upon hearing Itsuki knowing he has a sister. I can understand Haruto because he doesn't know the family well, but Chihiro of all people would know whether or not Itsuki has a sister. So probably Chihiro is the imouto of the show? Being voiced by Yukimura doesn't help things. XD

But really, seeing her with Miyako like that, so much to say about the services of them both in the hotel.
This is just too much.

Too bad Itsuki is not interested in these two.
I dunno about Miyako, but Itsuki DEFINITELY has shown interest towards Nayu. It's just that he complicated it himself for the past two years, and here we are. :heh:

ValvraveTruth

2017-10-15, 13:39

^Yes Itsuki was actually interested in Nayuta. But he felt inferiority to Nayuta after reading her novel, so that love was closed off. Well I believe in the next episode, we will know more about those pieces.

AB079

2017-10-15, 13:44

While the episode was good I noticed the studio is moving some parts from other volumes and adding it mixed with volume 1, nothing too important but it gave me the feel that they're going to adapt at least 4 volumes in this season.

That being said, the first half of the episode was the usual comedy stuff you can expect from this series and thank god the imouto stamps are gone. The second half contained the "meat", with more of Nayu's past filled with despair and bad experiences, bullying and even more things that nobody deserves. Miyako is like the normal person that can connect with the weird ones for some strange reason, she's a really good person too and that was evident after the 2 flashbacks with Itsuki and Nayu's background, but I can't stop thinking that she loves Itsuki but up to this point is pretty obvious that Nayu is the winner and Miyako will stay in the friendzone.

Haruto on the other hand is the guy who has to deal with the bad side of Itsuki's work, being called just a "product" is some really harsh criticism to any author especially because when that statement is right, it means their work has no soul and only wants to be sold like fast food.

Anyways, this series is showing that is much better than EMS and that's a good.

blitz1/2

2017-10-15, 13:51

itsuki is too awesome!

HandofFate

2017-10-15, 13:53

shame the mc is pretty garbage, credits to the studio though.
I feel the flashback style narrative is being nailed really well, and how its portraying how everyone is spending their time during the same time frame. Course its probably similar to that in the novel, gonna keep watching since I feel the way everything is being presented is smart.

blitz1/2

2017-10-15, 14:00

rladls2121

2017-10-15, 15:43

To me, MC is the worst not because of his passion for "Imouto, but him calling Miyako a "bitch" back then when Miyako is confused about Itsuki's written books and calls it weird.
Itsuki might not have realized she really did not mean it in a bad way.

Still, it is still unclear why he is into "Imouto", again.
And more than that, how did he learn of the word "bitch" and thinks a female like Miyako as one?
Also having this other passion that he believes Miyako's kind of girls are bitches, I thought he is only into "Imouto"?

Archon_Wing

2017-10-15, 15:57

Wow lmao this makes Eromanga-sensei look classy. I mean I expected trashy stuff given who's doing it, but dang.

HandofFate

2017-10-15, 16:47

Shinji103

2017-10-15, 18:46

To me, MC is the worst not because of his passion for "Imouto, but him calling Miyako a "bitch" back then when Miyako is confused about Itsuki's written books and calls it weird.
Itsuki might not have realized she really did not mean it in a bad way.Also, calling someone a “bitch” in anime isn’t perceived as the insult it is in other cultures. It’s not a compliment, sure, but you actually hear “bitch” in anime pretty often because it’s not as bad an insult as it is overseas.
In fact, in the Oreimo games Kuroneko actually described Kirino as a “bitch” to her sisters as a joke, and Kirino didn’t respond as harshly as one would in the US or some other places.

erneiz_hyde

2017-10-15, 19:19

That bit at the end...does it mean the trap isn't actually a trap? Where the hell have I seen that befo...oh yeah, what the hell did I expect from the one who spews Haganai anyways.

IceHism

2017-10-15, 20:57

That bit at the end...does it mean the trap isn't actually a trap? Where the hell have I seen that befo...oh yeah, what the hell did I expect from the one who spews Haganai anyways.

He's just taking the meme further
Draw a girl
Call it a boy
Say later that it's actually a girl.

DragoonKain3

2017-10-15, 21:49

shame the mc is pretty garbage, credits to the studio though.
Eh, I said it before, but I feel the MC is hiding behind his imouto fetish to turn down Nayu because he has 'issues'.

To me, MC is the worst not because of his passion for "Imouto, but him calling Miyako a "bitch" back then when Miyako is confused about Itsuki's written books and calls it weird.
Itsuki might not have realized she really did not mean it in a bad way.
Oh I get this one, but mainly because Oregairu has already painted a picture of an otaku/loner wanting for all riajuus to die. And how do they recognize Riajuus? Lots of friends, fashionable clothes, and dyed hair; pretty much the same reason why Hachiman called Yui a bitch as well. Which is PRETTY ironic because otaku doesn't want to be judged based on their hobbies, but they pass judgement on others because of their looks.

That's why you have the MC calling Myaa-san a 'slut', and with Nayu following suit calling the ikemen Haruto a 'manwhore'. Hell, even now Nayu has the impression that college girls are cocksuckers, so they have these stereotypes in their heads that are obviously wrong. MC has already acknowledged he was wrong, though Nayu needs to literally get out more. XD

Estzero1

2017-10-16, 05:23

While the episode was good I noticed the studio is moving some parts from other volumes and adding it mixed with volume 1, nothing too important but it gave me the feel that they're going to adapt at least 4 volumes in this season.

Not quite. That was probably Yomis decision for whatever reason, maybe just like things you would change with a second chance.

arkhangelsk

2017-10-16, 08:35

Which leads us to Haruto's role in this series. It seems compared to Nayu and Itsuki's prodigal writing abilities, Haruto is more the cold and calculated type who understands what the market wants and then caters to their taste. He represents the more business side of the industry, and would do anything and everything for more sales. And he's damn good at it, as evidenced to be the only character to actually have an anime series based on his books.

I bet it's a one-cour anime, though. He's not going to break into the really elite ranks of 2 or even 4 cour. :)

DragoonKain3

2017-10-16, 09:55

In all honesty though, it's not the length of the show, but how much it sells. If 'trash' like Infinite Stratos that has only 1 cour sell 10+k a volume, it's still considered a success. Even if it didn't, more often than not it helps the boost of source sales. So having or not having an anime adaptation is a bigger deal than having a 1 cour or 2 cour show, especially when only around a fifth of all new shows are 2 cours or longer.

So while Haruto may only have a 1 cour adaptation, he certainly is still ahead the likes of Nayu/Itsuki, who he seems desperate to be ahead of.

FlameSparkZ

2017-10-16, 15:47

Interesting, and eccentric show...especially that starting scene. Made my skin crawl from all the nonsense Itsuki wrote in the manuscript :heh::heh:

Nayu is cute. Eccentric, but cute :rolleyes:

It touches a lot of topics that I can relate to :heh: I liked the underlying topic about writing styles, or how the characters "do their job"; and the talented vs the normal.

ArrowSmith

2017-10-17, 00:20

Well, this show IS trash but with a dark side. I wonder at this point if these Japanese light novel authors are really catering to a perverted 'imouto lover' class of men or they're just fucking with us?

That's why you have the MC calling Myaa-san a 'slut', and with Nayu following suit calling the ikemen Haruto a 'manwhore'. Hell, even now Nayu has the impression that college girls are cocksuckers, so they have these stereotypes in their heads that are obviously wrong. MC has already acknowledged he was wrong, though Nayu needs to literally get out more. XD

Didn't Nayu attend college too? Why would she get the idea that college girls are sluts?

Kuroageha

2017-10-17, 10:15

Wow lmao this makes Eromanga-sensei look classy. I mean I expected trashy stuff given who's doing it, but dang.

Well, Eromanga is Haruto's work afterall.

BWTraveller

2017-10-17, 10:33

This is a huge contrast to Eromanga. Frankly, I don't consider Masamune from Eromanga to be technically a "siscon", and this gives a fair image of what a real siscon is. This is a guy who's obsessed with the concept of a sister, and views sisterhood to be a huge plus, a quality that makes a girl more attractive. Masamune and Sagiri fell in love in spite of their relationship and are shown struggling with the conflict between the two; it's something that mentally interferes with their love rather than something that cements or accentuates their love. There's a huge difference between a guy who declares he wants to be a girl's brother because he doesn't think she wants him as a lover and a guy who wants to have a sister so she can be his lover.

DragoonKain3

2017-10-22, 10:27

From Nayu lewding the egg to the MC's mishmash LN scene combining his experiences in Okinawa and Hokkaido, this episode was more focused on the comedy than actual plot progression. Which I was expecting, because for all the little details surrounding our cast, the show itself isn't one that hinges on conflict or drama, so SoL stuff like this will probably the norm following.

(Although at one point, I was questioning whether or not this was a cooking anime, with all the different local dishes and the exaggerated taste descriptions.. XD)

If there's one thing we can take away, it is that the MC does in fact have some sort of feelings towards Nayu (no surprise since she's the closest thing to 'Alice'). For all the Harem MC-like feigned obliviousness (which was hilarious in its own right), Miyako does bring it up that she thought he was stringing Nayu all along despite Nayu's grandiose 'acts of love'. Which I guess is as meta as it can be, both in regards to Itsuki and harem LNs in general.

HandofFate

2017-10-22, 14:06

interesting episode 03.

MC has quite the inferiority complex. Not worthy of Nayu, not worthy of the illustarotr's art, ect

ArrowSmith

2017-10-22, 16:26

erneiz_hyde

2017-10-22, 16:59

bffft, did the MC just dissed Kodaka not 5 minutes into the episode? :heh:

AB079

2017-10-22, 18:02

Really boring episode to be honest, nothing worth the time except for one little detail and that's the inferiority complex of Itsuki.

blitz1/2

2017-10-22, 18:09

Shark and imouto, that is one idea to add to my archives. xD

ArrowSmith

2017-10-22, 21:08

This show IS trash, but still better than Oreimo or Eromanga Sensei.

IceHism

2017-10-22, 21:36

Wow, skinny dipping. That's pretty bold.

I liked the food this episode. Though I kind of found it annoying that he says they shouldn't be partners because he feels that his series isnt worth his art. Dude just wants to make art for him so he should let him. If the guy felt like he isn't learning or felt satisfied with his work, then he would have drew for someone else already

rladls2121

2017-10-23, 01:31

Actually, I don't think it is about Itsuki's "Imouto" centered idea of a story that everyone is losing minds.
But, it's like the series is actually trying to show us that story about a big brother and little sister loving each other is bad.

Itsuki's current writing, just doesn't seem interesting as far as i can see.
Makes me wonder what kind of the book that he wrote in the past that break free of Nayuta's depression?
Surely, that book wasn't about "Imouto" themed one.

Still, it doesn't matter what kind of story Itsuki write, but he is really in struggle to make a great story.

It is too bad, Itsuki might have considered the ideas of Nayuta's egg licking part, evading the sensitive love rejection with weird jokes, and he didn't get to really picture the beach scenes because waiting behind a big rock while Nayuta's and Miyako naked along with having their thoughts at the moment.
Though tese kinds of scenes were just small parts, at least these were interesting to me, more than Itsuki's imaginations.

Especially the egg licking really got me in the episode, in other meaning, playing with food like that is one of the reasons Itsuki still sees Nayuta as a child I guess.
Who am kidding, this is just a beginning, still episode 3.

HandofFate

2017-10-29, 12:23

Nothing much happening in episode 4 other than the introduction of a new character.
But I liked enjoyed the conversation, and the reminder that all these characters are regular adults despite the silliness that creeps into the environment.

Also liked how even though Haruto has the much better sales, his fans are less passionate given the difference of chocolate received

AB079

2017-10-29, 14:36

This series is getting pretty boring to be honest, is not like I was expecting something good or decent but some of the first episodes were even better than EMS, still has some bits that makes up for those boring segments like the usual reminder that despite all the comedy the characters still have a goal.

IceHism

2017-10-29, 23:37

i want a tax accountant now.

DragoonKain3

2017-10-30, 00:06

Man, what I would give for my tax accountant to look like Goth Loli sensei from Shirobako. XD

As for the show itself, I don't deny it's slow (lol an ENTIRE episode just for a side character?), but I personally wouldn't have it any other way. Other shows may focus on romcom hijinks or other exciting events to keep their audience glued, but for me, there's a certain charm in this show for being more mundane than the others.

Sure you have really eccentric characters like MC, Nayu and Ashley, but rather than having the entire cast made of colourful characters, you have people like Myaa-san, Ikemen, and Chihiro to balance it out. For once I'm not wondering if we are going anywhere with the plot, and sometimes my obsession makes me tired watching certain shows for foreshadowing clues. Here? I just take whatever comes and enjoy it, and it's refreshing for me.

G0rd0

2017-10-30, 00:25

does anybody in this thread dislike rootbeer i have heard people not from the Us think it taste bad

blitz1/2

2017-10-30, 08:26

DragoonKain3

2017-11-05, 18:56

After all his complaints about deadlines, I guess this episode has been a long time coming. It's actually rather similar to the Shirobako episode where they 'forced' the director to concentrate on his work, so if you've seen Shirobako, this is nothing new.

So nothing to say much about this episode, apart from Itsuki really disturbed by the old women while Setsuna is a natural lady killer. Though a manga adaptation is something to be joyous about? I dunno, I have a low opinion of manga adaptations of LNs (all the ones I've read are just eh), so I can't say I'm happy as Itsuki about him getting it. :shrug:

HandofFate

2017-11-05, 19:58

^Agree about the manga adaptation thing, most of the ones I seen were of poor quality and lots are cut out.
Only thing is that I noticed that most LN that end up getting a manga, end up eventually an anime one too.

IceHism

2017-11-06, 14:06

oh wow, a mixed bathing onsen that is actually sort of accurate in that it's mostly old people that use it to begin with

The dungeon scene was too much like shirobako.

Anyways, i feel like this episode had a sore lack of characters not named itsuki.

Dop

2017-11-12, 12:28

Blueknight78

2017-11-12, 13:40

Dammit this show!

Seriously, I gave it another try because I had nothing better to do and was curious to see if there were any other interesting beers featured, and got drawn in.

When the show is serious, it can be really good, then it lets itself down with ecchi nonsense.

Last week's episode where Itsuki's trying to escape his deadline and winds up locked up in a backroom until he's done, for example. Yes, we saw a similar thing in Shirobako, and I've heard of the same thing happening to actual authors - Douglas Adams' publisher locked him in a hotel room for two weeks, for example.

This week we saw the gang gathered round to watch Haruto's anime, playing a game (which sounded really interesting) and then their reactions to the incoming tweets were really well done.

When it plays it straight, it can be a good show, but when it indulges its base urges, it lets itself down. It's my guilty pleasure show of the season.

wow i have the same problem with that serie, she give me a total mixed feelings, when they go full imoto ecchi/incest crap jokes i feel wanting drop it, i'm still recovering from the weird first episode, but when it goes on others way with different jokes and show part of the "novel world" things get a little better and i feel want to see more, then it's also my guilty pleasure show, which its manages me to dislike and like it at same time.

going to this week episode, man, this is not how you "ask someone to show they ass", he can get jailed one day if he keep doing that, that was one of that "bad jokes" which make me annoyied with this serie, but overal episode was good and that part with the anime omg, really i can perfect understand the criticizes cuz really novel market is flooded with "generic" garbage harem" full of generic mcs, with generic girls and generic plots which normally the "sales point' or is the "ecchi scenes" or the hot generic girls" and normally the difference between then is like look this anime the mc have a supermagical pencil or a phone or the power do this or that but in the end they are all the same in overal and just another generic serie which sometimes make sucess due more to fetiches than actually a good plot.

But with that said really must be hard for the writer deal with it, even him acknowledging which his serie is generic and only sell because of "art"(generic ecchi scenes and hot girls), because plot and characters personality they are just "the same as the others 9999999999999999999 series like that, must be hard have to deal with all that criticizes but still his fault for being "full generic" and don't try to take risks or want go more "original" and thing which is cool only be "generic".

HandofFate

2017-11-12, 14:03

damn, the build up to Haruto's breakdown was long built up. I like it though.
Even if his works are 'generic', its something he has a passion for and guineinly loves it, even if he researches it as well to succeed commerically.
Its like the MC with imoutos, he writes it because he has a passion for it. Only compared to Haruto, he's able to bring forth the passion to the readers, which Haru envies.

So it confirmed the bro is actually an imouto?

FlameSparkZ

2017-11-12, 17:06

So it confirmed the bro is actually an imouto?
Pretty much. I mean, what kind of guy would go around wearing girl's underwear? :heh: Not to mention there's the bath scene from a previous episode :rolleyes:

What I'm more interested in is how does Itsuki not know about that? It's most likely something family-related, and this episode gives us a little bit of info regarding his mother...

But I'm sure this issue will be dragged on for a while :heh:

Blueknight78

2017-11-12, 17:51

Pretty much. I mean, what kind of guy would go around wearing girl's underwear? :heh: Not to mention there's the bath scene from a previous episode :rolleyes:

What I'm more interested in is how does Itsuki not know about that? It's most likely something family-related, and this episode gives us a little bit of info regarding his mother...

But I'm sure this issue will be dragged on for a while :heh:

well to be fair you can find "weirdos" with bizarre fetiche about wear womans underwears :P, they are creep and rare but you can find specially in japan where put girls pants in head > hats or caps :heh::heh:

Diluc

2017-11-12, 21:27

I wonder if internet bash part was coming from author bitter experience in Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai?
Considering his last work was so bashful generic.

DragoonKain3

2017-11-13, 00:01

Yeah yeah, Chihiro being a girl was pretty obvious. Ironically enough, despite the MC being such an imouto maniac, I really don't think he will ever pursue Chiihiro in the end if he finds out. What I get from him is that he loves the idea of romantically loving one's imouto, and that reality is very different once push comes to shove.

Nope, the most important confirmation is Nayu being a psycho when it comes to school. Or I'm thinking, that's her natural personality, and her hyper genki aspect is the one reserved for MC and the gang. Makes me wonder if yandere may be an aspect of her personality, if MC ever shows romantic inclinations towards someone.

And yeah, looks like Haruto is touched by Miyako. I personally am weak towards girls like Miyako, so I don't blame him at all. Ironically for her, she gets the attention of everyone BUT the MC, as the focus on the 'loving the same guy your best friend' card really hits close to home for her. Then again, MC is pretty darn weird and has weird tastes, so I can see why he in particular isn't much affected by her. Haruto on the other hand is as 'normal' as they come, so it makes sense he goes for the riajuu girl.

(On that note, Haruto being the most believable author actually makes me think, that if there is one, it's actually him that is the author avatar in the story. :heh:)

I wonder if internet bash part was coming from author bitter experience in Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai?
Considering his last work was so bashful generic.
Well, Haganai 1st season did well enough to get a second cour. But the second cour was generally less well received, so maybe that's where his experiences come in.

And I admit, I'm probably the person most guilty of being too critical of anime adaptations. But considering I'm a mostly anime watcher and almost never touch the source, all I can base my judgement on is what the anime shows us. So while I have some sympathy for the original creators where they tried their hardest but it still failed in anime, I will never take back my criticism. If the anime sucks, it sucks.

Blueknight78

2017-11-13, 02:13

Well, Haganai 1st season did well enough to get a second cour. But the second cour was generally less well received, so maybe that's where his experiences come in.

And I admit, I'm probably the person most guilty of being too critical of anime adaptations. But considering I'm a mostly anime watcher and almost never touch the source, all I can base my judgement on is what the anime shows us. So while I have some sympathy for the original creators where they tried their hardest but it still failed in anime, I will never take back my criticism. If the anime sucks, it sucks.
well in haganai case the problem not was really the "anime" but really the novel, when he goes to the generic route of romcom and make all that crap to happen(second season and later on novel), not everyone like it and it was when the novel started to fall then he also had a fight with his editor to point of change to another and then a serie of trouble happened with lead the novel to be well criticized and get on low sales and reception from the fans, well it' was really a lot of problem happening at same time.

If him had keep the comedy and the focus on the "group developing friendship" problably the serie could had done fine.

DragoonKain3

2017-11-19, 11:05

Wee! Pen and Paper RPG this episode. A bit too fast since an adventure usually does not wrap up in just one gaming session, but I'll forgive it. Kinda weird too seeing Railgun, Unlimited Blade Works, and Illusion Breaker, as any of those are OP in terms of PC abilities and they have all three. And let's not get into Nayu's... :heh:

Next episode seems to be back to plot, as Haruto is now full blown interested in Miyako. Next episode's title is also about Love and Friendship, so is this when the drama starts?

FlameSparkZ

2017-11-19, 16:11

This was a fun episode, their character's designs were nice too X3
Nayu's character's ability though... :heh:

We might be getting some drama next episode, only time will tell.

Ah, Tabletop RPG...are they becoming popular again? I've been seeing some here and there...even Team Four Star are doing their own hilarious adventure at TFS at the Table (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WyHITHRA1U) :D

Roxanne

2017-11-19, 16:53

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Roxanne

2017-11-19, 17:04

Also
OP theme song
http://imotosae.com/products/cd/img/op/op_jk_anime.jpg
ED theme song
http://imotosae.com/products/cd/img/ed/ed_jk.jpg
Box illustrations
http://imotosae.com/products/bd/img/bd_1/bd_1_jk.jpg

HandofFate

2017-11-19, 17:10

pretty boring anime episode this week imo.
Like I can imagine enjoying it fine in text since its a very LN-ish detour chapter, but animated, it doesn't provide much.

Itlandm

2017-11-19, 19:15

How nice to have this anime about novelists right now around November to inspire those of us who take part in the National Novel Writing Month! It is still quite likable except for the random sexual content that seems to be thrown in with little concern for the rest of the plot. It gets a bit much, especially in some episodes like this TRPG story. I assume the anime is based on a light novel where the pace is much slower.

RedWingFM

2017-11-20, 12:08

What do you think about new episode? I found it pretty well, but there are too many cliches (at least in last episode) But this anime is pretty good. I give it about 9/10.

jdennis007

2017-11-27, 17:52

The reason the adventure was able to finish so quickly was because they cheated and read the note, skipping the whole castle and boss fight.

@FlameSparkZ, yes TRPGs have been seeing an increase in popularity since the release of 5th edition which is very new player friendly.

Blueknight78

2017-11-30, 11:56

I really liked the last episode was really fun and a good "meta" to show "how really crap is the romance in the novels" since most of the writers never had any real "romance" in they lifes and it is ending trasnlate to the crap clich otaku romance where or the mc is a terrible perv or a terrible coward or a terrible dense and sometimes 2 things or all the 3 things and the "girls" are terrible cheap and could fall in love with the mc even if him offer her "crap literally", because they really are terrible at it, and while 80 to 90 or novels, mangas and animes are like that this get worst whem you goes to "harem novels" this goes to 90 to 99% of then with that crap cliches which make the harems in overal a terrible and bad mouth gender, because instead of them try to actually portrait "romance", they just do whatever they thing is "romance", what is helping lead to japan death sentence since, novels, anime and mangas are helping to influence japaneses to be more and more crap on romance or totally ignore it.

The thing in this serie hooking me more is really the metas about the novels writers and they crazyness, my really complain could be some really disturbing "jokes" here and there, specially nyu saying which she could be happy with crap just making the "my girls could eat crap and be happy" just a meta inside another meta.

Itlandm

2017-12-02, 18:46

Episode 8 was so much better than usual. The moment when he was about to agree with her and then he saw the look in her eyes. That really secured his position as best male character, if it wasn't obvious already.

I am glad I did not ditch this anime after the first minute, which was a pretty close shave. So far it has generally gotten better over time, but it looks like episode 9 will turn that around right quick, judging from the title. Still, one can hope.

blitz1/2

2017-12-03, 14:51

Hmmm, Hmmm,,,,can't really say which spectrum I am on.
To me, both are good. Maybe conditional....

IceHism

2017-12-03, 18:08

damn what an episode. Hirasaka yomi has some odd fetishes.

Itlandm

2017-12-03, 20:42

OK, episode 9 was not a wholesome anime for the whole family. Nope. That was a pretty steep downhill as far as plot vs "plot" goes. That said, I agree that you should not write for the reader. It is the editor's job to think of the reader, the author should write for his heart. (And then he will suffer when his work is butchered by the publisher. This series really downplays how much horror editors inflict on a story, it is savage amputation and twisting and breaking. But definitely write from the heart first.)

AP24

2017-12-03, 21:15

One thing I hate about the anime adaptation is how they tone down the lewdness. One huge example is in the anime they cut out parts from the first time Miyako undressed in front of Nayu. I saw the manga version of that scene and it was a lot better. This time in the latest episode it is stupid censoring. Hopefully the BD will fix all of this.

HandofFate

2017-12-10, 18:22

The MC is pretty harsh on his dad.
3 years isn't that long a time either considering what age everyone is. But stubborn kind of sums him up pretty well in all aspects

Itlandm

2017-12-10, 20:17

At the end when redhead was like "This anime was trash until the end", I was like, "What, it was only 10 episodes?"

SeaDoor

2017-12-10, 21:12

Okay, what manga was the skit about the little sister from another dimension referencing. I vaguely remember a story where the MC had some sort of accident that left him seeing every normal person as a monster but saw the real monster as something normal. Help?

erneiz_hyde

2017-12-10, 21:27

You're thinking Saya no Uta and it was a VN.

blitz1/2

2017-12-11, 10:05

Chihiro is truly the best. Looks like Haruto is starting to see some good in his imouto.

Convoy

2017-12-11, 14:10

Finally an explanation for the Chihiro situation.

ArrowSmith

2017-12-11, 16:30

Lesson learned from 'Imouto sae Ireba Ii' - don't bully girls with small boobs.

Keila

2017-12-17, 18:40

It's amazing what can be accomplished via magic these days.

HandofFate

2017-12-19, 00:14

man, what were they thinking conversing about a person while they're 'sleeping'

IceHism

2017-12-19, 00:48

doesn't need a magic sword. Just a dick.

Nayu comes up with the most terror of stories.

Dop

2017-12-24, 12:47

Well that was a thing and now it's finished.
In a way, the show had the ghost of a much better series inside it, chained down by sleazy light novel tripe, but now and again there were glimpses of how it might have been had it taken the trials and tribulations of light novel writers a bit more seriously.
The camaraderie between the characters often worked quite well and that was often the saving grace of the show.

I will give it a bonus point for being the first anime I've seen to contain beer tasting notes, just a shame Sankt Gallen beers don't seem to be available in the UK as there were some I'd want to try.

HandofFate

2017-12-24, 13:17

not a fan of the numerous amount of board game segments, but enjoyed everything else. Especially liked the deeper aspects of the characters.

Loved the ending development with Miyako being interested in being an editor.

AB079

2017-12-24, 13:24

The series it self isn't something that good or above average but the characters were mainly likeable and the way how it was touched the topic of the LN's and the problems that comes with it was quite nice. The character development was okay too, it was nice to see bits of them showing their internal conflicts.

Overall this series is a strong 5/10 and better than EMS in many ways.

Keila

2017-12-24, 17:56

The problem with 'ratings' is that they are very narrow in scope. The important parts ultimately should be

○ Have you been entertained
○ Do you want/would you watch more (if it existed)

I enjoyed the series and would love to see more (as unlikely as that is)

blitz1/2

2017-12-24, 20:12

NONONONONO!!!! This series CAN'T be over!!! I need more Itsuki!!!

meia gisborn

2017-12-24, 20:15

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4739/38395991355_5f0f7f8b9c_o_d.jpg

Seriously? SERIOUSLY??!? :rolleyes:

serenade_beta

2017-12-24, 23:51

Light Novel?
*checks again*
Yep, light novel.

Oh, and what's with all of the time used on the simulation board games? The author giving his personal tales?
And he has a younger sister anyways?

Hah!
Whatever. Not horrible, but a mediocre Narou LN (wait... I think that's all of them...). Yeah, sure, if I only had a hidden younger sister that does housework well and a girl that is always naked likes me,
the guy writing a light novel about just that situation.
6/10

MgMaster

2017-12-25, 11:06

Not the best ending but the expected one since like ep 10. No way they could both start a drama with Nahyu pulling some strings for him to get the anime in her place and him finding out about it as well as resolve it in 1 ep. But this is fine for this show, with one helluva misleading tittle and beginning. Like,everything was expecting another "this show is trash & so am I" type of experience like Eromanga Sensei but I'd say this is more similar to Girlish Number than anything. Just that the focus being LN authors instead of VAs, it feels more private.

^And I thought the board games themselves they often play would be boring since I'm totally not into 'em myself but then there's all these subtle & not-so-subtle details in the choices of each character that pretty much defines them and shows their approach on life.

Hoping for S2

Wandering Soul

2017-12-25, 12:44

In the end it really was a better version of Ero manga sensei. The real selling point was the bond between the main characters and the constant games they played that displayed that friendship.

In the end, I would say it was an average series.

DragoonKain3

2017-12-26, 13:38

Between replaying Star Ocean: Last Hope and now being totally engrossed in Romancing SaGa 2, there has been only two anime this season that I saw the moment they are released, since I am really busy this month. They are March Comes in Like a Lion S2, and of course this one. Sure some people will think Kekkai Sensen or Land of the Lustrous are the anime of the season, but I really REALLY enjoyed Imouto Sae Ireba Ii, to the point that it is undoubtedly my favourite anime of the cour.

Anime of the year though? Hmm, that's a tough one. Undoubtedly this one is a pleasure to watch week in and week out, but Sagrada Reset was totally insane how it all came together in the end. This one had WAY better characters, but SR was impeccable in its world building and the cohesiveness of its plot. I think I'mma have to give it to Sagrada Reset, as it was a complete package, and this is just begging for a second season. Still, 2nd place is no slouch either, as Aho Girl is very distant third for me this year.

So overall? Very nice job. Honestly, Imouto Sae Ireba Ii was also a giant product placement anime, but I didn't mind since the characters are the main draw. And seriously, the way they interacted may be mundane to some, but I was engrossed right till the end.

Blueknight78

2017-12-26, 20:19

well, i have a "mixed feelings with this show, maybe my big problem was the "immoto" creep jokes" specially in the beginner, the first episode was very traumatic for me, specially all the naked and "eggs" immouto joke that was very hard to watch.

now the characters, serious the mc really do need some "threatment, this guy have serious issues, he can't go blame everyone for his own problems, i really feel bad for his "childhood gilrfriend", was not her fault his terrible "timing" to confess, you can't do that when someone was like that and expectate she accept and worst, threat her as shit, this not was her fault i really hated mc on the last episode, it's only showed how bad he is really or was/still being specially with his "father", again his mother died this don't means which his father can't find love anymore, this guy is very selfish, he almost give me "kodaka feelings" with his insecurity and very low confidence, most of his problem is his own issues no one is really to be blamed than himself.

While i really liked that last episode and we see more deep of him, that deep make me "hate him more", because i really not fan that "problematic (fail peoples) type of mc, ofcourse he is "trying to fix it now" but still a little late for it, specially for the girl from his past, i really, really feel bad for her and hope she could find someone which true diservers her cuz she really looked like someone really good and diservers a "happy end" specially without the mc which really was a scum with her.

This serie make hard for me to stick with mc, not on "kodaka levels" where i wish him to die alone burn in a big flame trapped under scraps crying like a shit person he was, kodaka really was what the worst you could see from a "harem generic mc" his generic was beyound any hope and the mc here was a sort of "better version" which actually is really trying something.

IceHism

2017-12-27, 11:39

I watched this mostly for nayu and the character antics so I guess I thought it was just average. Also lol at getting friend zoned and confessing right after she got her heart broken.

And it looks like nayu may have canceled her anime for itsuki? Hmm.

DracoS

2017-12-30, 19:16

A little crude in place, but a diamond in the rough with its likable characters, insights into the LN/anime industry and strong personality that had a fondness for beer and board games.

Wouldn't mind a second session, through a bit more polish wouldn't go amiss.

Itlandm

2017-12-30, 22:18

To me, this show looked like it tried to ride two horses that were not going in the same direction. There were the crude sexual scenes (often imaginary) that seemed aimed at shocking in a juvenile way. And there was the sympathetic exploration of a group of insecure young people trying to find their place in an adult world where the stakes are painfully high. The final episode rather nailed it with the publishing board game: No matter which path you took, you would end up with negative happiness. At the end of that game, even though they recognized themselves in the game, they were all still dedicated to what they were doing, and one more of them joined publishing, even if from a different angle. Because personal happiness is not really why they were doing it. They did it for reasons of their own, reasons so deep and personal that they could not be honest about it.

I loved the character exploration part of the show, and found the sexual parts crude and disjointed interruptions that were only forcibly attached to the other part. But no doubt there were people watching the show to the end hoping for more sex jokes. So I guess it worked, in a manner of speaking. But it did not work well. It looked stapled together.

I mean, there are stories where the characters sexuality is disturbing even to themselves, something they struggle with integrating in their lives. But here it seemed like it was just added for fanservice and played no role in a story which was otherwise well put together with good gradual character reveal even if not so much character growth.