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LeftSeven
2018-04-22, 06:45
how could be there is the sixth one when the title itself said it five only,lol
WingedAccelerator
2018-04-26, 02:40
The new chapter is out.
Not sure if I should give credit to Fuutarou or not.
I know the author does this "not recognizing the quintuplets gag" on purpose, but for starters, Ichika and Yotsuba clearly has shorter hair than the rest. Yotsuba even wore a pullover with 428 on it... It's not about "it"s obvious to the readers", but he really should pay more attention.
Well, at least he asked them about meeting him in the past, but obviously he didn't bring out the picture. And of course, Nino was there, so that's another issue for him.
DragoonKain3
2018-04-26, 12:08
Crackpot theory time!
People remember Nino, because her entire schtick is that she fell in love at first sight with Fuu's 'cousin'. But there was one other person who saw the picture! This was hinted at before we even saw what the picture looks like, and it was...
Itsuki! In chapter 2 page 26, she admitted at looking at his student handbook, and when asked if she saw the photo, she just casually dismissed it as irrelevant.
Now this is part what confused me the most. Yotsuba is by far and away the personality closest to the girl, being the genki pushy girl. She is the first girl to warm up to him and she's the only girl who initially wanted him to teach her, implying that if she is the childhood sweetheart, she already recognized him from the get go. But why was it Itsuki of all people who took the taxi to drive Fuu home?
Remember, back in chapter 2 while Fuu was getting date-rape drugged (really Nino how come you have such substances lying around in the house?), Itsuki was holed up in her room the entire time. For someone who wasn't even present during his drugging, how'd she end up with job to take Fuu home? Wouldn't it make more sense that if Yotsuba already recognized Fuu that SHE will be the one bringing Fuu home, since he is her 'necessary person'? But for some reason it was Itsuki who went with Fuu.
Now here's the speculation... when Fuu got knocked out, Fuu dropping to the ground or the girl's commotion brought Itsuki down from her room. Now they're onto discussing who of the five will bring him home (kinda like the discussion who will sleep next to him in the inn), and Itsuki wanting to know where he actually lived, looked at his handbook to see his address. It was here that Itsuki saw the picture, and it was then she volunteered to take him home recognizing him as her 'necessary person'.
But if Itsuki already knew from the beginning that she and Fuu met in Kyoto, then why was it her who warmed up last to him? With this line of thinking, we look for other clues. If Fuu and the childhood friend made a promise to do well academically, then it makes sense Itsuki warmed up last. This is supported by the fact that Fuu made the remark that if the girl grew up, she wouldn't be an idiot like the five of them were. Of which it was only Itsuki who retorted "Wh-what do you mean idiot?" Basically Itsuki was and still ashamed that despite being the one who proclaimed that she will try five times as hard, she still sucks at studying and she doesn't want her 'necessary person' to find that out.
Which begs the question, why is she starting to drop hints now? For recap, she's the one who asked insistently for the reason why Fuu is so much into studying, she's the one who dropped the 'necessary person' line, and she's the one who pulled out the charm that she had no business bringing (it was a study charm not a get well charm).
The answer to this is that just like Fuu has changed since the meeting, it shouldn't be a surprise that the girl could have changed too. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that Itsuki was a bright and cheerful as a kid, but after meeting Fuu she got chewed out really bad, dampening her spirits. This is supported in Chapter 31 page 2 where it looked like it was half flashback that "With men, you really need to assess them and choose them most carefully", and it's even emphasized that this really affected Itsuki as Ichika commented "You still hung up with that, huh?"
It's someone with the same facial features but black hair, so it may be the mom? Basically after coming back from her excursion with young Fuu, the mom got REAL angry that Itsuki just went along with a total stranger. So while Ituski never forget her promise to try 5 times as hard with her studies, her peronality changed from that time on because of the mom.
Coming back to the 'present day' of 2nd year High School, we had Itsuki recognizing her 'necessary person', but has been distant to him for the longest time because of her shame at the lack of progress in her studies, but most importantly, she hasn't had time to 'assess' Fuu.
Now after three months and including the field trip, not only is she willing to get tutoring from him now putting down her pride, but has had time to see Fuu isn't a 'bad' person. Now the things that were holding back are mostly gone, she asks Fuu to help her change. Fuu assumes she meant studying, but one can presume she also meant she wants to change into what she was like before. As such, now she is trying to drop hints that she is the girl, but is still a bit tsun considering that Fuu can't recognize her with certainty that she is the one, as her pride just won't allow her to admit it was her. XD
Of course, the obvious curveball to this is that Itsuki isn't actually the childhood friend, but she knows the story of the meeting from the actual childhood friend. So she's there to impersonate the childhood friend, since "With men, you really need to assess them and choose them most carefully" and so takes up the job. Which of course leaves us most probably with either Miku (she had the highest grades and Yotsube noticed Miku has someone she loves BEFORE Miku warmed up to Fuu) or Yotsuba (who is closest in current personality and her arc we haven't touched upon yet).
TL;DR
Itsuki was the childhood friend, and she already knew since CHP 2 Fuu was her chilhdood friend. But due to things that happened in the past, like not improving her studies despite trying hard, and being told to assess men properly before choosing, she chose to distance herself from Fuu and was the last girl to warm up. Now that three months has passed, most of her inhibitions are gone, and now is actively making moves in the Fuutarou-bowl by slowly dropping hints that she is the childhood friend.
49% Itsuki
25% Yotsuba
20% Miku
5% Ichika
1% Nino
WingedAccelerator
2018-04-27, 01:23
This was way too complex to be true?
Another one to the "Yotsuba is the childhood friend" theory. (From zlist - Mangadex)
Order of the girls (https://imgur.com/a/bimNpaf)
Notice how the author specifically uses the order of Nino - Miku - Itsuki - Yotsuba and Ichika in numerous occasions. If this is done purposely, then the childhood friend is indeed Yotsuba. When it comes to that picture, the 4th quintuplet from left matches the image the best, while the 2nd, 3rd and 5th from left are automatically out, because they use their left hand for the peace sign. And the 1st from left was drawn with thinner eyes, purposely I guess as well to separate the childhood friend from the others.
^Why Itsuki in the middle goddamnit
CHF ≠ Winning Girl though
WingedAccelerator
2018-04-27, 09:43
To nobody's surprise, Miku is on the cover of Volume 4.
https://i.imgur.com/JHzYPho.jpg
Ah... Final volume will be Itsuki since she's the last and thus she will win... Arrrgh
Kuroageha
2018-04-27, 10:05
It feels like Nisekoi all over again gdi.
WingedAccelerator
2018-04-27, 10:56
By final, you estimate it as Volume 6? Also said this before, but there is no way this is gonna end at Chapter 50. Pretty sure there will be a new cover pattern after Volume 6.
^Or 7, which will have all 5 in the cover once again
Meaning the winner is still undecided
Hoping for that
WingedAccelerator
2018-04-27, 11:29
I expect Fuutarou and the bride for the last one, but could everybody as a wedding group photo.
LeftSeven
2018-04-29, 11:13
wow..so long there's no chapter for yotsuba, but now it's hers
seems like they both go on a date to different places based on the others sister's favorite
good..
Just binge read the manga, and I love the art.
Like the poll resume it so well, best girl is Miku for me too. Unfortunately, being the first one to fall and the girl in love at full throttle pretty much means that she will lose...
Now, should really go to sleep...
https://i.imgur.com/WKlPAu5.png
Shuraba
RedWingFM
2018-05-02, 04:07
More like bloodbath is incoming :heh:
Tenzen12
2018-05-02, 04:13
Being able predict that much, would mean Fuutarou is aware of girls feelings right?
Kuroageha
2018-05-02, 13:46
Pretending like Kodaka?
"Eh? nandatte?"
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-07, 07:26
There are some similarities between 5Toubun and BokuBen, but if someone says that the authors are not aware of the existence of the other series, then what do you know, Haruba-sensei recently just retweeted Tsutsui-sensei's drawing video. :D
If it were the same publisher, a crossover could have been possible.
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Finally read the new chapter.
Ichika and Miku be like: "I will write an invitation message... THEN SEND IT!
Miku gained a lot of self confidence, while Ichika became a glass cannon.
I wonder if Yotsuba was a self-centered child that got their mother's attention the most, and that's why when their mother passed away, she felt like she stole her precious time from the other four, so she changed into someone, who puts anybody's wishes above her own. And now, she faces an identity crisis.
Since Nino was almost absent from the whole chapter, the same with Itsuki, I feel like they were also gonna come to the clothes shop that may or may not will be the hope for Fuutaro and Yotsuba's escape.
DragoonKain3
2018-05-10, 20:07
I just saw the recent chapter (man the grind in UtaMacross was real), and I hate Yotsuba. I really do think Itsuki is the childhood friend, but man, I hate myself for being enamored with Yotsuba's friendly, upbeat, and self-sacrificing personality. But I guess my inner self is kinda confused since Yotsuba still has the closest personality to the childhood girlfriend, so that's my excuse. Even Fuu sees her in Yotsube DESPITE not doing anything directly that connects her to the past, so you can't blame me, right? XD
LeftSeven
2018-05-10, 21:29
there's chance those quints have same cheerful, innocent trait like that chilhood friend is described, after their mother passed away they became different persons on each their own, it's puberty. only one-two of them has old trait remain.
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-11, 07:49
Yotsuba won (Fuutarou's smile). (https://i.imgur.com/s4xNNYl.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/TSbYDGb.png
mastermind3342
2018-05-15, 00:25
https://i.imgur.com/TSbYDGb.png
One of the best scene
Randrak42
2018-05-15, 03:35
^As long it's not Itsuki
I support this.
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-16, 02:42
I also support that. I want Miku or Yotsuba to win, I can accept Ichika, while Nino would be an interesting development, considering her usual behavior towards Fuutarou. I find Itsuki on the other hand boring. Both her and her possible route in general.
Yotsuba to!
This was a nice chapter. Gotta give credit to Fuutarou for being a gentleman in the dressing room. She scored some Yotsuba points there and at the park... Then lost it with the notes at the end. :"D
Yotsuba's room sure has a lot of plants though.
Yea, Itsuki is just another privileged tsundere main heroine
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-16, 09:55
According to the extras from Volume 3, Itsuki can't even ride a bicycle and thinks she hid this fact from her sisters, but they are perfectly aware of it. :heh:
And no one ever witnessed Miku using her headphones for its intended use.
RedWingFM
2018-05-16, 10:19
According to the extras from Volume 3, Itsuki can't even ride a bicycle and thinks she hid this fact from her sisters, but they are perfectly aware of it. :heh:
And no one ever witnessed Miku using her headphones for its intended use.
It's her distinguishing feature, like that ribbon on Nino's head :heh:
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-16, 11:50
All of them pretty much have something with their number:
- Ichika has 1 earring.
- Nino has 2 butterfly ribbons.
- Miku has a headphone with a 3angle (triangle) symbol on it. Audio-Technica? :D
- Yotsuba has her ribbon folded into 4.
- Itsuki has 5-pointed star hairclips.
All of them pretty much have something with their number:
- Itsuki has 1 earring.
- Nino has 2 butterfly ribbons.
- Miku has a headphone with a 3angle (triangle) symbol on it. Audio-Technica? :D
- Yotsuba has her ribbon folded into 4.
- Itsuki has 5-pointed star hairclips.
You like Itsuki so much you typed her name twice? :heh:
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-16, 13:24
S H I T.
I always knew that someday I'm gonna make this mistake. Couldn't the author come up with Gotsuki instead? :heh:
I'm a hardcore Miku shipper and I still am... but recently I've gotta admit that Yotsuba's making my resolve shake a bit. I'm even beginning to suspect that she's the one Fuutarou met 5 yrs prior to the main story. (I was previously leaning more towards Itsuki, but at this point, Yotsuba seems more plausible to me tbh.)
DragoonKain3
2018-05-16, 17:36
Yep, Yotsuba is the only one of the girls that has my seal of "I don't mind if she ends up with the MC even if she isn't osananajimi". I reserve the right to retract it (who knows maybe they'll be stupid and put Touyama to voice her), but right now, with her being the most helpful to the MC and the MC actually smiling and laughing with her, she is the one most fit for him.
Now if ONLY she put any effort or interest in her studies, it would have been perfect. The girl of the past for sure at least puts effort in studying, but Yotsuba is like the exact opposite of a bookworm. But genki attitude? Self-sacrificing to the point she's always thinking of others? Always helping others who needs help? Yeah, that's Yotsuba otherwise alright.
blitz1/2
2018-05-16, 19:12
You know, what would be awesome if we ever have an anime adaptation for this, is to have one seiyuu voice all 5 sisters.
That's the case for the PV, and it's amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3k9VYR8AQ
LeftSeven
2018-05-16, 22:15
^woah nice,it's vomic, it's a sign for anime, like nino's va and yotsuba's,
RedWingFM
2018-05-16, 22:59
Please, not anime
^woah nice,it's vomic, it's a sign for anime, like nino's va and yotsuba's,
It's just a PV, not vomic, and the VA is the same for the 5 (Sakura Ayane).
chopitos_93
2018-05-17, 10:38
Well, the manga is having a moderate success so it's likely that it's going to have an anime adaptation in the near future (maybe next year?).
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-17, 11:13
WSM romcom adaptations tend to be bad IMO. Or more like really rushed. The incoming Kishuku Gakkou no Juliet could be the first decent one in a long time.
When it comes to 5toubun, I feel like A-1 Pictures is the best we can get from the studios that worked on WSM adaptations in the past few years. I'm not really a huge fan of them, but they seem to be better with slice of life, comedy stuff than with fighting shounen. I rather choose them over Pierrot, diomedéa, Gonzo or LIDENFILMS.
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Based on the spoiler pics for the next chapter, the quints and Fuutarou have to babysit a kid. Miku gets the double page embarassing/cute moment, presumably Fuutarou complimented her (Maybe something like she would be a good mother?).
mastermind3342
2018-05-19, 00:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lw_7BecD3c
LeftSeven
2018-05-19, 00:39
woah..itsuki, :love::love:
mangaka is he, right? his finger is like woman's
Ugh, I totally hate myself for not being able to draw.
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-19, 07:18
I brought it up before how Haruba-sensei retweeted Tsutsui-sensei's drawing, and now Tsutsui-sensei returned the favor and retweeted some 5touben pics. :D
Chapter 38, best girl best girling like the best girl she is.
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-24, 08:21
The new chapter is out.
I feel like the time is ideal for talking about this: Harem/Polygamy ending. Based on past WSM titles and their ending, I think it's highly unlikely that it's gonna happen. However, Haruba-sensei really gives (false) hope to the supporters with chapters like this, and with signs here and there. The demographic and the magazine is one thing, and the characters are the other. I can't imagine Fuutarou, or anyone really to be torn between 5 girls, so to please everyone, he decides to marry all of them. I can't imagine this even if he loves only one of them, but the choosen one is forcing him to marry the others as well so they can be together forever. If this is advertised as "Who will be the (true) heroine?", then some heartbreaks are natural, and it's not like the quints life are over just because they got rejected when they were only 17-18 years old. So TL;DR: I'm against the harem ending, which would make the whole manga pointless.
Back to chapter, Miku sure is on the offensive. DAMN! And it makes sense that Fuutarou misinterpreted her intentions. :heh:
I like Miku but Yotsuba gonna win
The new chapter is out.
I feel like the time is ideal for talking about this: Harem/Polygamy ending. Based on past WSM titles and their ending, I think it's highly unlikely that it's gonna happen. However, Haruba-sensei really gives (false) hope to the supporters with chapters like this, and with signs here and there. The demographic and the magazine is one thing, and the characters are the other. I can't imagine Fuutarou, or anyone really to be torn between 5 girls, so to please everyone, he decides to marry all of them. I can't imagine this even if he loves only one of them, but the choosen one is forcing him to marry the others as well so they can be together forever. If this is advertised as "Who will be the (true) heroine?", then some heartbreaks are natural, and it's not like the quints life are over just because they got rejected when they were only 17-18 years old. So TL;DR: I'm against the harem ending, which would make the whole manga pointless.
Back to chapter, Miku sure is on the offensive. DAMN! And it makes sense that Fuutarou misinterpreted her intentions. :heh:Well in Maga Tsuki the main girl actually convinced the MC to marry all the other heroines
For this manga, I guess the most probable outcome is Foutarou marrying Itsuki (I stll think she's the main girl) while developing a brother-sister relationship with the others, so they will be all together like a big family.
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-24, 11:11
I meant Weekly Shounen Magazine titles. I know there are some definite harem endings out there, but did it ever happen in WSM? Not inconclusive, open endings, but an ending, where MC got together with more than one girl? I'm curious.
^Not Even One (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_series_run_in_Weekly_Sh%C5%8Dnen_Jump)
Tenzen12
2018-05-24, 11:44
I feel it would feel really forced if after struggle between miku and Ichika suddenly Itsuki still managed still get to be winning girl. I hope author not gonna shoehorn it too hard.
Miku noticed it
She gonna win
https://i.imgur.com/nYCemTU.png
blitz1/2
2018-05-24, 18:09
Miku, why are you so CUTE?!
mastermind3342
2018-05-24, 19:58
https://mangatown.secure.footprint.net/store/manga/25971/038.0/compressed/g014.jpg?token=7772f02c99baa8c9c844523b6e410988076 595cc&ttl=1527292800
RedWingFM
2018-05-25, 03:13
She dropped a bomb. Is this a hint of some kind. I hope not.
LeftSeven
2018-05-25, 05:12
yeah, girl is so cute when fall in love, but alas, i feel like de javu through 4th dimension when i saw this.
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-25, 09:31
Talk to the hand!
Around 8 pages are missing, so it's hard to get what lead to this, but from what we can see, Nino is seemingly gets slapped by Itsuki at the end for either possibly badmouthing Miku and/or tearing some sort of paper that could be important to Fuutarou, or something related to their studies. At least this is my guess.
DragoonKain3
2018-05-30, 21:24
And Itsuki goes, "Main Heroine ATTACKU!" XD
Licensed! (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-05-30/kodansha-usa-adds-4-new-digital-first-manga-licenses/.132227)
Licensed! (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-05-30/kodansha-usa-adds-4-new-digital-first-manga-licenses/.132227)
Not even surprised, this manga is quite popular. Now that this happened I bet the author is going to drag this for 150+ chapters, I hope the worst girl doesn't win.
Tenzen12
2018-05-30, 23:52
Yeah, I also hope it will not be Yotsuba.
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-31, 00:40
Just read the weekly manga rankings article, and when I saw "The Quintessential Quintuplets", I immediately knew that this must have been licensed. ^^"
Yeah, I also hope it will not be Yotsuba.
How is she the worst? :uhoh:
dragon1412
2018-05-31, 00:54
Not really surprised though, it have good ranking and popularity, and quite a fair numbers of chapters already going on
bastek66
2018-05-31, 07:24
>The Quintessential Quintuplets
That sounds so awful, what were they thinking
Miku was shining in this chapter
https://i.imgur.com/AotzmnO.png
https://i.imgur.com/8aHMliL.png
But then Itsuki just have to do "Main Heroine ATTACKU!"
https://i.imgur.com/8CPmKOB.png
Goddamn
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-31, 09:20
Was Miku ready for the kill, but got it stolen by Itsuki, or her face is more like angry/disgusted with Nino?
TBH, the chapter felt out of place. Nino acted like her early version with the outsider crap speech, when it was noted by Yotsuba that she silently started accepting Fuutarou, and doesn't want to throw him out anymore.
DragoonKain3
2018-05-31, 09:37
Seriously speaking, man I'm so glad Nino got physically slapped by someone. I still remember when she date-rape drugged Fuutarou, and I haven't quite got over it. Feels extremely cathartic to have Itsuki the one doing it, since together with Nino they were the last ones who didn't really accept Fuu. So in essence, her final 'ally' is no more, and I bet that slap hurt much more than the physical aspect to Nino.
Not even surprised, this manga is quite popular. Now that this happened I bet the author is going to drag this for 150+ chapters, I hope the worst girl doesn't win.
Me personally, I just like it there's a sense of time progression. On chapter 7, we know it was dated September 30. Chapter 36 we know it's November 23, Japan's Labour Thanksgiving Day. Two months roughly for every 30 chapters, so maybe at chapter ~215 we'll be back to the next Labour Thanksgiving Day, and maybe 275 at the final test before graduation. Around 25 chapters to follow the aftermath, and 300 chapters sounds fine.
To put it into perspective, Nisekoi ran for 229 chapters and it also had a similar 'deadline' at the end of high school, and I predicted it to end at 250 chapters (here when chp 129 was posted (https://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=5169583&postcount=1276)). Sure it's in another publication, but I think it shouldn't stray too much from that ballpark. Maybe I'm even overshooting the estimate because some 'skip to the future/flashback to the past' were full chapters within my initial assessment, and it may actually run as long Nisekoi. XD
Tenzen12
2018-05-31, 09:56
To be optimistic, unlike your regular harem manga here author can't just carelessly throw in random love interest everytime he needs padding.
WingedAccelerator
2018-05-31, 10:13
There is a fundamental difference:
The 5toubun cast is in their 2nd high school year, while the Nisekoi cast started in their 1st. Nisekoi's pacing was okay, until Komi started their 2nd year in Chapter 75, then the characters pretty much stuck in there until the end, thank to Komi dragging the story to annoying levels. We only saw few panels of their 3rd year/graduation, cause WSJ editors also lost their patience, and the natural conclusion was more due to being axed, then being finishing their high school life.
5toubun should wrap up nicely in 150, maximum 180 chapters. When their final year starts, that should be a good indication on its potential length.
RedWingFM
2018-05-31, 12:21
Maybe earlier, because first girl understood her feelings for MC.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-01, 08:57
*Sigh*
Here we go again...
It's only 4 pics this time. However, it's clear that Itsuki is spending the night with Raiha and Fuutarou, likely at the Uesugi household. Since Nino is the quintuplet's cook, guess she refused to make food for Itsuki as a punishment for the slap, so she ended up there or something. Volume 5 starts at Chapter 42, yet we are already getting Itsuki related stuff. *Yawn*
all_flying
2018-06-03, 05:57
I see now. Itsuki is the first girl, Miku is the middle heroine, Ichika is the one with plot device, and Nino the one who've met him 5 years ago.
Tfw Yotsuba got sidelined so hard the author probably didn't know what to do about her.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-03, 07:20
Nino being the childhood friend would be Nisekoi level of BS plot convenient amnesia. She saw Fuutarou's photo from 5 years ago and even went for their photo album to show how the quintuplets looked 5 years ago. She can't magically forget that "Oh, yeah, I met and helped a blonde guy that exactly looks like Kintarou 5 years ago, and we took a picture together..."
I still think it's gonna be Yotsuba, and I didn't even consider Chapter 1 the last time I mentioned this, and how she approached Fuutarou there. It's another similar vibe to how the childhood friend approached Fuutarou.
Itsuki: First girl.
Miku: The most popular girl/The bait.
Yotsuba: Childhood friend/Dark horse.
Chosen_Hero
2018-06-03, 08:51
Yeah, let me know when the Itsuki pandering stops so that I can begin reading this manga once again.
Kuroageha
2018-06-03, 10:11
Oh, the classic.
The old 'make one look bad to make the other look good' tactics.
What a shit.
all_flying
2018-06-03, 19:55
Nino being the childhood friend would be Nisekoi level of BS plot convenient amnesia. She saw Fuutarou's photo from 5 years ago and even went for their photo album to show how the quintuplets looked 5 years ago. She can't magically forget that "Oh, yeah, I met and helped a blonde guy that exactly looks like Kintarou 5 years ago, and we took a picture together..."
I still think it's gonna be Yotsuba, and I didn't even consider Chapter 1 the last time I mentioned this, and how she approached Fuutarou there. It's another similar vibe to how the childhood friend approached Fuutarou.
Itsuki: First girl.
Miku: The most popular girl/The bait.
Yotsuba: Childhood friend/Dark horse.
Did you read the manga at all? Nino is the only one who has a faint recollection of meeting the boy in the photo. Even when Fuu told Itsuki his story, she never show any glint of recollection of it. Yotsuba is the second best guess based on her personality only.
Kuroageha
2018-06-03, 20:36
Making connections to the past is pointless if there is not a single hint of respect for the MC which shows some memories won't change what they think of him.
Nino being the childhood friend would be Nisekoi level of BS plot convenient amnesia. She saw Fuutarou's photo from 5 years ago and even went for their photo album to show how the quintuplets looked 5 years ago. She can't magically forget that "Oh, yeah, I met and helped a blonde guy that exactly looks like Kintarou 5 years ago, and we took a picture together..."
I still think it's gonna be Yotsuba, and I didn't even consider Chapter 1 the last time I mentioned this, and how she approached Fuutarou there. It's another similar vibe to how the childhood friend approached Fuutarou.
Itsuki: First girl.
Miku: The most popular girl/The bait.
Yotsuba: Childhood friend/Dark horse.
Do you realize that despite knowing what's going on with the manga you're being incredibly naive?
What's happening here is the usual stuff from any other manga like this one, we have a first girl, the popular one, the childhood one, the new girl that becomes someone important and the typical nice type girl that loves the MC.
Miku is the most popular in japan, smashing the polls every single time while Nino is always the loser. The author has 3 options, one is going for the first girl (the most predictable and boring outcome), second he can go for the preference of the fanbase and this leads to Miku winning, and the third option is just picking a random one from the other 3, considering how things are going with the popularity of this manga options 1 and 2 are the ones that have the best chances to happen, Youtsuba doesn't have a chance at least for now but as we all know this is gonna be a slow burn so keep the hopes down, we all know how is japan when it comes to girls winning the race.
The author is using the usual bullshit related to the memories of the MC as an excuse to use one girl after another and extend the story as much as he can.
It's great Japan fanbase became less toxic
Now it's global fanbase turns lunatic
Death threats and twitter spam
Go to any english webtoon and the comments are total cancer
Fujoshi rules the comment section
Pushing for BL and calling love rivals Thots
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-04, 02:54
Did you read the manga at all? Nino is the only one who has a faint recollection of meeting the boy in the photo. Even when Fuu told Itsuki his story, she never show any glint of recollection of it. Yotsuba is the second best guess based on her personality only.
Now I'm curious... Where exactly is that faint recollection? Because all I remember is that she saw the photo and said that the guy is her type and that's it. When Fuutarou put on the blonde wig on the school trip, she referenced seeing the pic of Fuutarou, and that's why she is familiar with "Kintarou". Is there a panel, where she goes "Somehow I get the feeling I met him in the past..." or anything? If there is indeed one, the point is yours, it's my defeat.
The Itsuki one is understandable. Fuutarou only told him the base of the story, but I don't think he talked about his appearance at all, or even the place. Itsuki's conclusion was that Fuutarou changed by meeting that girl, which could happen with anyone. It wasn't about a blonde, delinquent boy meeting a girl in Kyoto, but a simple boy meets girl story. When Fuutarou asked them about meeting him in the past, they obviously didn't know what is he talking about, because she was so different, but still keeps it a secret.
Do you realize that despite knowing what's going on with the manga you're being incredibly naive?
...
Naive? I fully expect this to get extended and dragged out to even 180 chapters, but it's a "routine", and I got accustomed to that. The author likes to troll for sure, but if something is clear BS in my opinion, I'm not gonna tolerate it.
Yotsuba being the dark horse still fits. It's not like I fully expect her to win this, but if the more obvious candidates somehow doesn't take the W, then there she is, the unexpected contender that could pull it off.
all_flying
2018-06-04, 17:20
Now I'm curious... Where exactly is that faint recollection? Because all I remember is that she saw the photo and said that the guy is her type and that's it. When Fuutarou put on the blonde wig on the school trip, she referenced seeing the pic of Fuutarou, and that's why she is familiar with "Kintarou". Is there a panel, where she goes "Somehow I get the feeling I met him in the past..." or anything? If there is indeed one, the point is yours, it's my defeat.
The Itsuki one is understandable. Fuutarou only told him the base of the story, but I don't think he talked about his appearance at all, or even the place. Itsuki's conclusion was that Fuutarou changed by meeting that girl, which could happen with anyone. It wasn't about a blonde, delinquent boy meeting a girl in Kyoto, but a simple boy meets girl story. When Fuutarou asked them about meeting him in the past, they obviously didn't know what is he talking about, because she was so different, but still keeps it a secret.
Ch 22 or 23. When Itsuki picked him up to field trip
https://puu.sh/AzahU.png
And with the latest chapter 40 spoiler. The chance of Nino was the one whom Fuutarou've met got higher and higher.
But I guess Fuutarou will misunderstand something then sees Itsuki as the one he've met... I mean, this author is very well-known for bait-switching. So, yeah...
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-05, 01:27
Thanks for the confirmation! ^^
So the author really intends to play this amnesia trope, if it's really Nino... Disappointed.
all_flying
2018-06-05, 16:36
Thanks for the confirmation! ^^
So the author really intends to play this amnesia trope, if it's really Nino... Disappointed.
What is it to be disappointed about? The past girl troupe didn't hold that much significance in determining the end card (it doesn't have 'promise' and they just met once). It's not a game-breaking-rule Nisekoi-style. Each girl holds their own card. Maybe Nino is holding the past card but it won't necessarily out-value other girls cards. If we look back to earlier chapter (the one when Fuutarou barge in and land on towel-naked Nino) we learn that Nino reacted when Ichika said 'we used to be close'. So, we know something might've happened in the past. By holding the past card maybe it will help her cope with her past and help her to at least accept Fuutarou more. I didn't say she will learn it right away. Maybe, bit by bit she'll place suspicion on him and gradually become aware of him before learning the truth.
We also learn that in the wedding, Fuutarou wore the charm in which Nino took in this chapter. So, at some point, Nino will learn the truth about Kintarou and the boy from the past. How she will give it back, is the question.
Then there is this whole thing with the current state of Fuutarou's heart. All girls will have their own role to crack it open, and Nino is not an exception. This is not your 'usual' harem series. The author is clearly have been playing around with the trope and the reader's expectation. So, what you thought will be a dissapointment have a chance to be flipped around far from your expectation.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-06, 04:11
I'm simply disappointed in the fact that if the childhood friend is indeed turns out to be Nino later on, she just forgot her meeting with a blonde kid 5 years ago, forgot they took a picture together (While she brought out a photo album, and kid Fuutarou also her type...), and that's why this whole plot point is stalled.
As I said earlier, the others not remembering him makes sense to me, because of the lack of detail. So while Yotsuba's personaility makes me think it's going to be her, it could be anyone.
Nino obviously gonna get a big character development sooner or later, she can't stay this "bitchy" forever. Adding the childhood friend card to this is indeed would be a disappointment to me, because it's not the lack of detail (Not seeing his picture/Mot hearing his story) why she didn't remember, but she conveniently forgot that she met the exact same boy in the picture 5 years ago. Lack of detail is a way better excuse than forgotten memories, amnesia.
all_flying
2018-06-06, 06:56
I'm simply disappointed in the fact that if the childhood friend is indeed turns out to be Nino later on, she just forgot her meeting with a blonde kid 5 years ago, forgot they took a picture together (While she brought out a photo album, and kid Fuutarou also her type...), and that's why this whole plot point is stalled.
As I said earlier, the others not remembering him makes sense to me, because of the lack of detail. So while Yotsuba's personaility makes me think it's going to be her, it could be anyone.
Nino obviously gonna get a big character development sooner or later, she can't stay this "bitchy" forever. Adding the childhood friend card to this is indeed would be a disappointment to me, because it's not the lack of detail (Not seeing his picture/Mot hearing his story) why she didn't remember, but she conveniently forgot that she met the exact same boy in the picture 5 years ago. Lack of detail is a way better excuse than forgotten memories, amnesia.
They're not exactly "childhood friend". They've met only once, and that was 5 years ago. To give you some perspective, Itsuki didn't even remember whether she bought or was given the charm which she holds in high regard.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-06, 08:24
It's easier to refer to the girl as "childhood friend" as the conversation goes. From the context, people won't get confused.
Emotional value could remain with an object, even if you forget some details regarding it.
I have a lot of seashells that I collected over the coarse of the years, but have absolutely no idea where I got some of them. The same with wristbands. It was once a fad in my school and almost everyone had one, including myself, but even though I have a custom one, I don't know who made it for me, but still treasure it to this day. Also, souvenirs from class trips. I know where I bought some of them, but not all of them, and I don't even remember the exact class trip in some cases...
So I think it's still more believable than forgetting about a kid that is not your avarage black haired japanese kid, and who is supposedly your type 5 years later. Nino even got enough stimuli by looking at the picture, the photo album, and Fuutarou as "Kintarou". If I substitute the word "disappointed" regarding the potential outcome of her remembering him, then my substitute word would be "anticlimactic". An unresolved plot point is building up to a later revelation, and the potential of it just being "Oh, shoot! I forgot that I met a kid 5 years ago that looked the same as Kintarou" is just anticlimactic, and I'm not gonna defend it, if it really happens. I simply can't.
Tenzen12
2018-06-06, 14:43
Reading new chapter, it really looks like Nino is childhood friend. i myself have no problem with that.
Anyway, what the hell? Did Itsuki just confessed?
Reading new chapter, it really looks like Nino is childhood friend. i myself have no problem with that.
Anyway, what the hell? Did Itsuki just confessed?
She has the first girl element so this is probably part of that but yeah I think she's going to do it.
I think she's going to tell him something that happened in the past between her and Nino, that would motivate Uesugi even more on helping both of them.
Tenzen12
2018-06-06, 15:29
That's probably true, but I don't see why she had to confess her love before that.
all_flying
2018-06-07, 03:55
The moon looks pretty, isn't it?
Aaaaaand...., there goes Negi is baiting us again. We won't fall to your ruse again, Negi!
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-07, 04:27
That line was translated differently in the /a/ version, so I doubt it's an intentional or unintentional confession.
So far this arc annoys me to no end, therefore I'm expecting a big payoff at the end of it.
As I said last week, Nino really acts like she is her earlier version. We are talking about months now, at least 3 months now that Fuutarou is their tutor, and the outsider crap speech came back, while the whole fight went into "Him or me? Choose!", playing out a victim card, when the others are perfectly fine with him, already accepted him. It's like she forgot that she was the one that lied to their father about their exam results and saved Fuutarou's ass. Now she is a hindrance once again to him and the others, but too prideful to accept help, lower her head and apologize. If this happened in the early 10 chapters, I would be fine with it. But now this whole fuss feels like it's really came out of the blue for supposedly developing Nino, yet we are once again blessed with Itsuki's presence and thoughts. Sure thing, she could tell interesting bits about Nino that will lead to something, but she still steals the spotlight from the others. If an arc is about one of the quintuplets, I want that quintuplet to do something on her own, not some of the others telling stuff to Fuutarou about her, because then it feels like it's not really her arc at all.
Again... The chapter is full of Miku but Itsuki stole the spotlight at the end
blitz1/2
2018-06-07, 13:50
Again... The chapter is full of Miku but Itsuki stole the spotlight at the end
Miku is waiting for the time to regain her spot light. xD
Kuroageha
2018-06-07, 14:36
Assuming the author would allow it.
The author is just baiting, that's what this manga is, a whole combination of baits jumping from one girl to another and the only exception is Nino who's currently the shittiest girl here if I'm being honest.
all_flying
2018-06-07, 23:54
@someone who didn't quite enjoy the series because their self-value is getting in the way
Nino is just jealous, Anon. Despite her attitude towards Miku, she actually loves her as much as her other siblings. That's why the sight of Miku getting dere2 towards Fuutarou is something she can't stand. Nino is way more possessive towards her sisters, and that creates problem. Since three out of five (+Itsuki) has already accept him more than just a friend. And that's where all of her rage fuel came from.
LeftSeven
2018-06-08, 07:23
yeah, itsuki always on nino's side before , but now itsuki has accepted him, that's why she felt lonely and got triggered when miku defenced futarou.
maybe she slowly accepting futarou but she's the most sensitive one, when it comes to something threathening their status quo such as steal her sisters affection, she will snap.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-08, 08:35
Place your bets, Gentlemen!
https://imgur.com/cWHOgI4
I'm bold enough to still go with Yotsuba.
She had some unknown urgent business to take care of last chapter, which is suspicious. Ichika had work probably, but we don't know anything about to where and why did Yotsuba go. And mind you, if Fuutarou could wear a wig to fake his identity, she could also do something about her hair with extensions.
^Pics so small!
That's Ichika during shooting
Yotsuba's business is enjo kousai
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-08, 08:43
- You look depressed again, Uesugi Fuutarou-kun.
- Long time no see.
By the way, this is the last chapter of Volume 5.
Ichika is making a move it seems, she's been always kind of passive but she accepted Fuutarou already. On the other hand, for the obvious Nino apologists, she's the only one that's been acting like a bitch every single time, causing unnecessary problems like the last chapter when Ichika slapped her for what she did. Jealousy or being overly defensive is not an excuse anymore, Fuutarou already proved his value and she still refuses to see it unlike everyone else.
I wonder who's going to be the next girl on the cover.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-09, 06:07
Bro, you did the same mistake as me, calling Itsuki --> Ichika. ;)
The next cover girl is Yotsuba by the pattern: Volume 1 (Group), Volume 2 (Ichika), Volume 3 (Nino), Volume 4 (Miku). Haruba-sensei potentially also spoiled the cover in one of those huge advertisement posters.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdNrgaXUQAELN4n.jpg:large
The text spoilers came for the next chapter.
Interestingly enough, Itsuki tells Fuutarou that they were in the same situation as him, as their mother was poor with 5 daughters, but luckily got remarried few years ago to a wealthy man. The mother got hospitalized from overwork before the marriage, and that's why Itsuki tries to lead quints in her place, but it doesn't work well. (Not sure if this confirms that their mother is alive...)
4 days until the exams. Fuutarou thinks that the quints were united before he came, so he believes that they don't need him and starts to question himself. Then seemingly the Kyoto girl arrives.
I was enthusiastic before, but now I think I kinda have a hunch where Haruba-sensei will go with this:
- Itsuki impersonates the girl, since she knows the base of story and how that girl is important to Fuutarou to give him some sort of advice on how to handle the situation happening around him. Obviously, this would be not that elegant, since Itsuki pretty much got the spotlight in the chapter, so please, don't make her come back in disguise and get another one, Haruba-sensei!
- It's really the Kyoto quint, but doesn't want to reveal herself, therefore she will use a fake alias, making a reverse Kintarou situation. She gives advice to Fuutarou and will appear time to time from here on, but wants Fuutarou to realize her indentity on his own for a platonic reunion later.
- It could be also someone, who is a total stranger, but somehow heard the story, but that would make things more complicated than it should be.
Bro, you did the same mistake as me, calling Itsuki --> Ichika. ;)
The next cover girl is Yotsuba by the pattern: Volume 1 (Group), Volume 2 (Ichika), Volume 3 (Nino), Volume 4 (Miku). Haruba-sensei potentially also spoiled the cover in one of those huge advertisement posters.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdNrgaXUQAELN4n.jpg:large
The text spoilers came for the next chapter.
Interestingly enough, Itsuki tells Fuutarou that they were in the same situation as him, as their mother was poor with 5 daughters, but luckily got remarried few years ago to a wealthy man. The mother got hospitalized from overwork before the marriage, and that's why Itsuki tries to lead quints in her place, but it doesn't work well. (Not sure if this confirms that their mother is alive...)
4 days until the exams. Fuutarou thinks that the quints were united before he came, so he believes that they don't need him and starts to question himself. Then seemingly the Kyoto girl arrives.
I was enthusiastic before, but now I think I kinda have a hunch where Haruba-sensei will go with this:
- Itsuki impersonates the girl, since she knows the base of story and how that girl is important to Fuutarou to give him some sort of advice on how to handle the situation happening around him. Obviously, this would be not that elegant, since Itsuki pretty much got the spotlight in the chapter, so please, don't make her come back in disguise and get another one, Haruba-sensei!
- It's really the Kyoto quint, but doesn't want to reveal herself, therefore she will use a fake alias, making a reverse Kintarou situation. She gives advice to Fuutarou and will appear time to time from here on, but wants Fuutarou to realize her indentity on his own for a platonic reunion later.
- It could be also someone, who is a total stranger, but somehow heard the story, but that would make things more complicated than it should be.
You're right :heh: sometimes is hard to not make that mistake with those 2 names.
So after all, the next chapter is not a confession but instead we get more info dump about the girls and what happened with them in the past. Basically Itsuki is trying to do what their mother did in the past I guess.
Blankdom
2018-06-11, 12:09
Wow, you wouldn't be able to tell they've been in poverty with how much they spend.
Well, Nino is antagonistic towards Uesugi so she can't be. Yotduba is not completely listening to him, so I can't see her going that far to confort him.
Itsuki has the motivations for wanting to help Uesugi after their last discussion, but why would she need a disguise?
Miku and Ichika like Uesugi and could have learned his situation from their sister, so them too might be very motivated to help him. Between the two, Ichika is the one good at acting, so....
In the end, I think the mysterious girl could be Ichika, then Itsuki, then Miku.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-11, 13:23
Now that the chapter is out and we have more details, I dare to say that it would be a criminal mistake from Haruba-sensei's part, if the girl at the end is not Yotsuba.
From the quints' standpoint:
- Ichika is openly in a sisterly love war with Miku. I don't think she would hide her identity, if she wants to score points with Fuutarou.
- Nino... Sorry, but no! The way she acted once again and the way the girl just showed up is totally different. She didn't go home, she is still pissed, so faking everything would mean that this whole fuss she started is total meaningless. She can't just act like nothing happened and pull a reverse Kintarou on Fuu, while she is hell-bent on Kintarou. That would be so out of character and wouldn't make sense to me.
- Miku is in the same boat with Ichika. She doesn't need shenanigans like this.
- Yotsuba... (https://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=6225758&postcount=246) Itsuki "coincidentally" met her yesterday. Itsuki and Fuu heard some rustling from the trees and Fuutarou even tought someone watched them. She probably heard them talk, so she decided to reveal herself, but won't tell her identity, because she probably is embarassed about how she failed Fuutarou's expectations, and her genkiness may hide some depression or other worries. Fuutarou noted earlier how she sucks at lying, and the way it was presented makes me think the opposite, that she hides something. What Fuutarou needs now is words from his savior, the girl from Kyoto, not from the dumbest quintuplet.
- Itsuki had this whole honest talk with Fuutarou about their life, with the Moon is beautiful and all that, so why on Earth would she pull the Kyoto girl act? Okay, she is the only one that knows how important is the girl to Fuutarou and it would be good to motivate him, but after her disguise as Ichika on the class trip, I doubt she would pull a similar stunt like that again... A day or few days later after their talk as a matter of fact.
If it's not one of the quints (Unlikely, and don't want any of this):
- The girl Fuutarou had a crush on, Takebayashi. 5 years have passed and it doesn't really matter that hair hair is toned differently than the quints. The quints' mother also has dark haired compared to them, so it can be changed.
- A total stranger that somehow knows them and the story.
- Somehow the quints' mother... Still not sure if she is hospitalized right now or passed away. And she can't magically recover, be this young, and happen to visit Fuutarou.
https://i.imgur.com/vfP2GfA.png
Mutsumi is here!
I'm not so sure that this is another sister, I think we have 2 options, one is that she's just another sister and the second option is that one of the quints is trying to pass for another person but that is very unlikely.
This is a good development, brings something different to the table aside from the usual interactions between the quints and fuutarou.
Marcus H.
2018-06-11, 18:36
Wow, you wouldn't be able to tell they've been in poverty with how much they spend.
Two words: nouveau riche.
all_flying
2018-06-11, 22:59
Their mom.
She was mentioned at the start of this chapter. That or the 4 sisters worked together.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-15, 15:17
Not sure what to think of this...
Fuutarou and the girl go for a boat ride and watch some fireworks. Fuutarou made sure that she is the girl she met in the past (Or wants to make sure, because I have my doubts). When the ride ends, Fuutarou wants to go after the girl, but falls into the river. When he climbed out, the girl has already left. (Hallucination?) While dripping wet, he mets Yotsuba a bit later, who was running nearby (Implying she should not have enough time to change clothes, but for a fast runner, nothing is impossible). Then she mets Nino in front of the hotel she stays currently, or somewhere around that/city, who gives him a towel.
If the girl was not a hallucination, and she was indeed the real Kyoto girl, not one of them playing the role, then Nino is out that's for sure. Yotsuba's speed is one thing, but for Nino to have enough time to go back to the hotel and change to her usual attire is something that I can't imagine, unless someone plays her role at the hotel, and the real Nino was really there, playing the role of the Kyoto girl. :eyespin:
The One Above God
2018-06-15, 20:54
^So we mystery-manga now, eh?
Marcus H.
2018-06-15, 21:22
Subete ga F(uutarou) ni Naru.
Subete ga F(uutarou) ni Naru.
Nice~ :heh::heh::heh:
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-19, 15:19
Don't you love it, when instead of answers, we end up with more questions? :eyespin:
Haruba-sensei plays his cards really good, that's for sure.
Kuroageha
2018-06-19, 15:24
Haruba? More like Hackruba.
I think that girl is Ichika... look at her reaction and her mature charm
I'll be so surprised if she is Nino..
Author's trying so hard to keep us from figuring out which one of the sisters is the Kyoto girl. Also, I don't think he was hallucinating @WingedAccelerator. The charm should be proof enough.
We can eliminate Yotsuba. Why? Because she was training the entire time. She wouldn't have enough time to skip training, change clothes, go on a leisurely boat ride, then change back and return to training. The club member also didn't give any type of impression that she was missing prior to meeting Fuutarou.
Nino can possibly be eliminated, but there's also the possibility that the time-frame in which Fuutarou left the park and returned to her hotel is unknown which gives her a valid reason for reaching back and changing before he even arrived.
Nino at the end of the chapter was still upset with Foutarou, it doesn't make sense that she went to such an extreme lenght to help him.
After reading the chapter, I think the most likely is Itsuki.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-20, 01:05
What makes Yotsuba less likely is the high heels. She could wore the tracksuit under that long coat, but with only a minute or two, she had to prepare the running shoes somewhere in the bushes while leaving the Rena costume completely there. I don't think her running partner is an issue, she could have overtaken her for minutes, or they could have talked about meeting in the park for training or something.
What makes Nino less likely is her reaction. If she was Rena, who even blushed after Fuutarou described the quints, then why would she label him as creep, when she saw him few minutes later? Pulling this act would mean she accepted him, "likes" him enough, but her reaction was the usual, I guess, an irritated one.
Since this is supposedly the volume with the Itsuki cover, she could have also done it, but that would mean her promise about not doing anything similar again after impersonating Ichika on the class trip meant jack shit. But if she still did it, then chances say she just played the role, and she is not the real Kyoto girl.
Still think Ichika and Miku have nothing to gain from this, so I can't see this as Ichika's act, and why would she or Miku hide the fact that they have met in the past, when they are already in love with him?
One reason could be they don't remember meeting him, or he won't believe them to be that girl.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-20, 03:42
The only way I can see Ichika being involved in this is due to group effort.
There were rustles during Itsuki's and Fuutarou's moonlight conversation, so one of the quints possibly eavesdropped there. Let's just say it was Yotsuba, since Itsuki mentioned meeting her afterwards coincidentally. Yotsuba could have told everything about her meeting with kid Fuu to the remaining quints in their apartment, Ichika and Miku, that is, if she is the Kyoto girl. But Yotsuba also realized that while she can't abandon Fuutarou now, she also promised to help the track club. Therefore, she gave instructions to the actress in the family, Ichika, who pulled the act off magnificently. Yotsuba promised to them that when the time comes, she will tell everything to Fuu, but since she failed his expectations, she wants to keep this a secret until her grades improve considerably. However, the charm that Fuutarou got from Rena probably contains the group photo of the quints from five years ago, but until he acknowledges himself = his worth as their tutor --> Good results from the quints, he won't open it.
Tenzen12
2018-06-20, 04:46
It could also be Miku. It's not unusual for meek charactes act bolder in disguise.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-20, 05:04
She could also play the role, indeed.
One interesting detail is the blush from Rena. To me, none of Fuutarou's descriptions about the girls should result in that kind of blush, but if I have to choose from those that could result in such expression, then the Miku one "She is looking a lot livelier recently, so that's a relief", and the Yotsuba one, mentioning her being depandable plus he starts something, but instantly cut it off as being overthinking things.
https://i.imgur.com/lQszFJY.png
Probably Miku
The girl in the middle usually won
Kuroageha
2018-06-20, 08:04
What was what he wanted to day about Yotsuba that he stopped.
^Yotsuba and Nino don't study so he wants to bring them back yo
Kuroageha
2018-06-20, 09:23
Way to miss the point.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-20, 11:50
What was what he wanted to day about Yotsuba that he stopped.
Probably the same thing he wanted to express in Chapter 36.
On the Labour Thanksgiving Tour, he made her realize that everything they did on that day before the park was something corresponding to the other sisters. He asked her what does she want, but after thinking for a bit, she asked him back "Just what do I want?". There Fuutarou started saying something: "Yotsuba, you...", but never finished it, because Ichika and Miku appeared in the store and they had to hide. Depression/identity crisis/putting everyone above herself even if it damages herself?
It has been hinted that he may subconsciously be developing feelings for Yotsuba. Whether he realizes this or not remains to be seen. After all, he didn't even realize how much of an impact that she made on him until Raiha pointed it out via his stories from the school trip. Plus, she's the only one of the quints to get him to genuinely smile and completely let loose so far.
I say all this, but I'm still a Miku shipper through and through. Tho I also don't mind Yotsuba winning at this point since she's more than earned it imo.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-20, 15:31
Not sure if we could say that Fuutarou is really developing feelings for her, because he is quite consistent in being, well, not emoting that much, or not giving a shit in general, so he is hard to read. Although this breaks sometimes like with Miku's rooftop confession, where he started grinning like an idiot. But in the end, I'm also rooting for Miku and Yotsuba, so the chance for victory is 40%. :heh:
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-22, 04:31
It's that time of the week again.
What do you know? It's an actual Nino chapter, and the spotlight didn't get stolen from her.
The only issue I have is that she is still so hell-bent on Kintarou. It's hard to tell from the last page that Fuutarou decided to be once again Kintarou (Which is IMO would be a cheap resolution for handling the issue with Nino) or somehow Fuutarou's dad is the one, who knocks on her door. The former is more possible, which would also mean that Fuutarou doesn't want to tell her directly that he is Kintarou (Or wants to take off the wig in front of her), so an accident, where the wig falls off is on the way?
https://i.imgur.com/JQVZIvC.png
I really applaud this author for the way he manages to develop the girls in such a way that they can all stand on equal footing without any particular girl taking a noticeable lead in front of the others. It's really up in the air as to who will actually win in the end.
Though we can say that Itsuki does have a slight edge over everyone since she knows a bit more about Fuutarou's situation and personal life over the others.
I really applaud this author for the way he manages to develop the girls in such a way that they can all stand on equal footing without any particular girl taking a noticeable lead in front of the others. It's really up in the air as to who will actually win in the end.
Though we can say that Itsuki does have a slight edge over everyone since she knows a bit more about Fuutarou's situation and personal life over the others.
I think the first girl trope will win this....unless the 4 girls are willing to share and live together even without marriage registration, but then it is highly unlikely as we saw a glimpse of their big day and only one girl is present.
Kuroageha
2018-06-27, 12:13
Is "Slight" is a new word for endgame now?:heh:
Nah, Itsuki isn't endgame just yet. Whoever the Kyoto girl is has the highest chance of being endgame right now.
And well, we could rule out Itsuki being the Kyoto girl since it was more than implied that the Kyoto girl was the one spying on Fuutarou and Itsuki that night when they went for the walk.
I still think that Itsuki is well ahead of the others given she was the main character in the one shot and has lots of moments with Foutarou. Maybe she isn't his first love...but first love isn't always a winner.
Anyway, I liked how Nino was developed in this chapter, I hope it's going to be a turning point for her and she won't return to her usual antics in the next one.
Anyone except Itsuki please!
Kuroageha
2018-06-27, 14:21
Nah, Itsuki isn't endgame just yet. Whoever the Kyoto girl is has the highest chance of being endgame right now.
And well, we could rule out Itsuki being the Kyoto girl since it was more than implied that the Kyoto girl was the one spying on Fuutarou and Itsuki that night when they went for the walk.
I'm more than sure the end girl isn't going to be Kyoto girl for the single fact she being part of the past while the series is all about changing. Remember Nisekoi? The locket girl wasn't Chitoge, Kosaki was and she lost. However that girl is IMO it's safe to rule her out of the competition.
I'm more than sure the end girl isn't going to be Kyoto girl for the single fact she being part of the past while the series is all about changing. Remember Nisekoi? The locket girl wasn't Chitoge, Kosaki was and she Lost.
I'm glad that you mentioned change being a core theme here. The Kyoto girl appeared before him and has severed that past connection he had with her. The change theme can apply to her too. It'll no longer be just about the past.
No denying that she's a part of his past, but by having her appear now and do what she did, she also released his shackles which will enable them both to move forward. That's why I still consider her as having the highest chance to be endgame.
Kyoto girl is just another plot device used by the author to divert the attention of the readers towards pointless developments, same goes for most of the scenes with all the girls except Itsuki.
After countless manga and LN that baited the readers so hard some of you still haven't learned that first girl (even if is the worst one, not saying that itsuki is the worst) wins at the end and the exceptions to that rule can be pointed out with one hand. It happened on Clichekoi, it happened on Masamune-kun, is going to happen on We Can't Study and is probably going to happen here too even when Miku is fan choice every single time.
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-27, 15:46
I'm more than sure the end girl isn't going to be Kyoto girl for the single fact she being part of the past while the series is all about changing. Remember Nisekoi? The locket girl wasn't Chitoge, Kosaki was and she lost. However that girl is IMO it's safe to rule her out of the competition.
I agree with you, except how Nisekoi treated the change concept being a good example. Even the characters didn't know until the climax that Onodera is the promised girl. Raku moved on, but he didn't love Onodera throughout the manga because he was chasing the past. He didn't know the girl was Onodera, he was in love with her regardless. Therefore saying he chose the present over the past is a flawed logic in Nisekoi's case, which I often heard from the defenders of the manga.
Kuroageha
2018-06-27, 16:52
Isn't flawed as he's been around Onodera for more time than Chitoge and still that wasn't enough.
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Onodore didn't even exist in the One-Shot
Itsuki is the main heroine in One-Shot
There's no chance for non-main heroine
Like is there even any point for other heroines to exist?
Btw, go to the link in my signature for stories where non-main heroine won
There is one argument that many people use when the ending of the manga is just what we saw at the beginning or in the one-shot, they say hey but what matters is the journey. The journey can be good at least even with a predictable-boring-mediocre ending, Nisekoi's author didn't even bothered on either the journey or the ending and that's why was so bad.
On 5-toubun we have at least a good journey (up to the current chapter) but I completely agree that here there is no other way than itsuki ending.
Finally caught up to the latest scan. It is a lot better than Nisekoi. Glad that I give this series a chance.
So is it monthly or weekly manga?
I found that it is hilarious that most manga girls are literally have same face with different hairstyle. So when you removed the hairstyle and accessories you can't tell who is who just like this manga had shown to us..
WingedAccelerator
2018-06-28, 02:35
It runs in Weekly Shounen Magazine, so thankfully it's not monthly. ^^
Chosen_Hero
2018-06-28, 07:58
There is one argument that many people use when the ending of the manga is just what we saw at the beginning or in the one-shot, they say hey but what matters is the journey. The journey can be good at least even with a predictable-boring-mediocre ending, Nisekoi's author didn't even bothered on either the journey or the ending and that's why was so bad.
On 5-toubun we have at least a good journey (up to the current chapter) but I completely agree that here there is no other way than itsuki ending.
One of my problems with Nisekoi was the change the characters shown in it went through from the one-shot to the manga. For example, Raku in the one-shot was badass, yet in the manga he is just another pussy indecisive MC who gets hit by the tsundere cause reasons and complaints about everything.
As for this series, hopefully it stays away from first girl ending... But knowing how this usually goes, I won't hold my breath. If you see one manga of a certain genre then you basically have seen them all.
DragoonKain3
2018-06-29, 09:40
Hmm... that's interesting, Nino's "being left behind" quote is the same thing Miku said why she can't tell her sisters why she's a sengoku otaku. It's also the implied reason why Ichika couldn't tell her sisters why she was going to an audition (hard to tell since chp 11 has only been translated once).
On the other hand, Yotsuba nor Itsuki's motivation doesn't seem to be the same. Yotsuba to be honest is more like 'wanting to be needed', while Itsuki is more on wanting to set a good example in place of their mom. It has no significance now, but I'm sure it would be touched upon in the future.
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Concerning about the childhood friend, I wouldn't rule out whoever is the childhood friend to be the bride of the future. Chapter 33 Page 2 (linking is against the rules now that this is licensed right?) has Fuutaro saying "I was having a dream of the day I first met you", and we have the kyoto girl being the only thing in the page.
Of course it doesn't guarantee that the bride is the same as the kyoto girl, but the very first chapter of the very first page has the bride as the focus, and Fuu also narrates "I was having a dream of the dream-like day, in the second year of high I school that I met you." By having repetition as a literary technique, it does imply that the two girls are the same, but of course since it is not explicit we can never be 100% sure. Still, the ball is on the court to find evidence that the bride is NOT the kyoto girl, not the other way around.
As a side note, the author TOTALLY loves repetition, so this isn't just a one off. One gag has Fuu taking Yotsuba's ribbon and pulling on it if she's done something he doesn't approve (like helping out a club) then he fixes the ribbon himself right afterwards; he does it on Chapter 15 pg 12, then again on Chapter 41 pg 9. Another gag is both Fuu and Miku being out of shape; they are both dying gasping for air in chp 4 pg 10-11, then we have them dying again looking for Nino/Itsuki during chap 40 pg 9. Fuutaro also likes acting embarassed when asked about his test scores (when he really got perfect), which he does to Itsuki in the pilot chapter and again with the quints in chp 20 p19 right after the midterms.
And one more thing the author repeats? Itsuki hides her embarassment by hanging her head down while she blushes furiously, in chapter 18 pg 17-18. And you know who also did the same? Rena in chapter 42 pg 9. There's a similar shot of it in chp 17 pg 15, and chp 30 pg 18, both of course in different context than being embarassed and hanging your head low to hide it, but it's interesting that this shot is always Itsuki.
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If the above isn't enough to convince, then let's consider who Rena can be. Rena can be an 'impostor' or the actual bonafide Kyoto Girl. If we go by the first one, then it can't be anyone BUT Itsuki.
I mean, there are things 'Rena' shouldn't be knowing if she is just an impostor. One is how Kyoto girl calls Fuu (Uesugi Fuutarou-kun), of which maybe Itsuki heard when Fuu may be sleeptalking while he was sleeping in the hospital (it is the phrase written right before he woke up with Itsuki right beside him). The other is the study charm something that Fuu recognizes instantly (and so he would associate it with Kyoto girl), and both of these were NOT talked about during Itsuki/Fuu's excursion on chp 41, where it's the only scene shown where people might have been listening on them.
So unless the person listening on to Itsuki/Fuu's evening excursion was anyone but the Kyoto girl herself, then 'impostor Rena' can't be anyone BUT Itsuki.
Of course, if it IS indeed Rena who is the Kyoto girl, it becomes a bit less clear, but there are some hints.
It's DEFINITELY not Nino. Rena was non-chalant when 'learning' about Fuu teaching the quints; meaning if it's a story Rena already knows, she doesn't keep in mind how to act naturally. On the other hand, Nino was crying absolute buckets upon hearing Fuu's background story + what happened in the park. This is on top of Nino's personality of treasuring the past; if she indeed does hold dear the circumstances five years ago ("I'm the only one who still can't let go of that time"), then she would not have forgotten Fuu. Not to mention it would be non-sensical for the author to have Rena tell Fuu to 'move on', then have Fuu tell Nino the same thing when Nino and Rena are the same all along.
It's most probably not Ichika. It's been established that Ichika actually has talent as an actress, and it's hard to believe she would make a basic mistake like Rena did upon hearing something extraordinary like quintuplets. Of course it can be chalked up to human error, but out of all the twins, it would have been Ichika who would not have made that mistake.
It's almost definitely not Miku. Unless she has been struck with laser guided amnesia, Miku as of right now will NOT hesitate to use anything that may win Fuutarou over. If she is indeed Kyoto girl and she knows it, the story would have ended already, period. The only caveat to this is if Miku does not remember the incident, because unlike Nino who so treasures the past, we don't know if it's the same with Miku.
So that leaves us with Yotsuba or ITsuki. Yotsuba is a big mystery, but I have a stinking feeling hers might be the next arc, so we might learn more. Still, apart from recognizing him from the get go as the boy of the past, Yotsuba's pile of evidence as the Kyoto girl pales in comparison to Itsuki's.
Before I've detailed a list of things that points to Itsuki as the Kyoto girl, so for the sake of brevity I won't do it again. Here is the link instead LINK (https://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=6229649&postcount=253)
That said, a couple more pointers, one is when Fuu asked what is the relationship between the two during the festival; she says "If I'm generous, I'd say absolute strangers", but curiously, the next thing she says is "Is there any point in asking me? Shouldn't you not already know the answer to that question?" If she is the Kyoto girl and she has already realized Fuu was the boy of the past since she saw the picture in his handbook, this set of words explains perfectly that she is upset that Fuu hasn't recognized her (absolute strangers) and that it's up to Fuu now to remember (Shouldn't you know already the answer?). Of course not the only reading you can of that scene, but it does fit.
The other, more concrete is that Itsuki has been talked about as not having a good sense of direction. We've known this for a while, but it's been swept below the rug since it didn't seem like it was important. But now that we can say for certain Nino is NOT the Kyoto girl, there goes the idea that Fuu met each of the quints 5 years ago but he didn't realize they were different people. On the other hand, it reinforces the idea that he met only one of the quints, and if it's any of the quints who would be separated, it would have been Itsuki due to her poor sense of direction.
It's also Itsuki's phone that we've seen the Dad called to keep in contact (twice!), and it's Itsuki who was tasked with giving the salary (though she is the only one who knows where he lives). Still, it does show she doesn't TOTALLY despise the dad, and we know Fuu has seen the two of them together in Kyoto when he saw the girl off, so theirs may not have been a rocky relationship since the start.
Still, the constant build-up to Itsuki being the Kyoto girl is very alarming in comparison to Yotsuba. Of course, I'm not the author and I may very well be looking a bit too deep into things, so Yotsuba may be the Kyoto girl, or even the End girl if they're not the same. But as it is, Itsuki still is very much in the lead as the Kyoto girl (her holding the pinky finger is very fitting), and if I was a betting man she would be the one I'd bet on.
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People have been talking about Nisekoi, but honestly, I love Gotoubun because the author actually knows what he's doing in dropping hints. I found Nisekoi it's the usual back-and-forth on who was the promised girl, and so there never was any overwhelming evidence for one character to have been it (unlike Gotoubun where I'm getting more and more clues for Itsuki every time I reread it). Then again, maybe that was the entire point since Nisekoi wasn't about who was the promised girl in the end. XD
Of course, who won in Nisekoi was actually the only thing that was well done in terms of build up. It's been built up for about 100 chapters before the end, and the MC admitting she was his 'best friend' like 50 chapters before the end pretty much was the nail in the coffin. Not that I agree with it mind you, since the other option is IMO way more HHHNNGGG, but I do admit it may be my inherent bias, since the winning girl's VA totally ruined my perception and regard for the character. On the other hand, the other girl was voiced by my absolute favourite VA of all time; who knows, maybe if there wasn't an anime I wouldn't have had this problem
In any case, it's still an ending I'd rather have, rather than have popularity polls dictate who should the winning girl be. That just shows how the author has no backbone, and shows he is there just to make money by not pissing off his largest fanbase rather than actually writing the story he wants to tell.
I've heard of some rife with Masamune in this topic, but to be honest, I've been combing and re-combing through Go-toubun so much digging for clues (I'm on my 8th FULL rereading, and at least 20 partial reads?) that I haven't had time for anime (I kinda miss DitF, Major, and Tada-kun), let alone other manga. I'll probably touch on it in a couple of weeks time, but in the meantime, I have to catchup to last cour AND we have a new cour coming now. XD
Only thing I don't agree with your analisys is that I think Miku has her motive for not revealing herself as the childhood friend. Specifically, Foutarou already dismissed the possibility of her being one of the quintuplets, so she can be afraid that he might think she is lying. Or she might think that her current self cannot compare to the idealized image of the girl from the past and is afraid that Foutarou would be disappointed in discovering the truth.
For the rest, I agree that Itsuki is most likely the one.
LeftSeven
2018-06-30, 07:42
lol
futarou got busted
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-02, 05:50
Here comes the Yotsuba cover for Volume 5, the same pic that was used on that advertising billboard way before. Still great though.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhF9rDsUwAAyDer.jpg:large
blitz1/2
2018-07-03, 21:36
So, main character reveals himself, Nino is not pleased and snaps and then checks herself out. Man....not sure how he will reach to her now, now that her ideal boyfriend ends up being the one she hates.
To be honest, who cares about Nino? all what she's been doing is acting like a selfish scumbag the entire time, her attitude was what pushed her sisters to act in a negative way a few chapters ago. If she's still deluding herself with the old blonde fuutarou then she can stay like that, is not like anything of value was lost.
Now imagine how bad she's going to do in the Japanese rankings :heh:
So, main character reveals himself, Nino is not pleased and snaps and then checks herself out. Man....not sure how he will reach to her now, now that her ideal boyfriend ends up being the one she hates.
Just give her some time to realize she actually truly loves Foutarou.
Tenzen12
2018-07-04, 00:41
She might have her issue, but she fun to read plus Fuutarou seems quite like hanging around her...
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-04, 03:04
I don't think that the situation is that bad. While the whole Nino fuss felt unnecessary, it still had the purpose of emphasizing how Fuutaru and her can talk normally just like the others, and we even got an insight to her thought process, and why she acts the way she does.
From the korean RAW, it looks like Fuutarou did his job, and the whole checking out is meant to imply that she is going back to her sisters. Fuutarou is smiling in the last panel, and I don't think it's a desperate one. The sleeping drug this time was the paypack for the Kintarou act.
DragoonKain3
2018-07-04, 08:16
Nino drugging Fuu again? Yep, definitely worst of the sisters. I know it's needed because it seems Miku will be confronting Nino next chapter, but doesn't mean I have to like it.
Sorry Negi, you may try to make Nino grow on the audience, and some of them fell for it, but nothing is gonna work on me as long as she keeps on drugging.
Only thing I don't agree with your analisys is that I think Miku has her motive for not revealing herself as the childhood friend. Specifically, Foutarou already dismissed the possibility of her being one of the quintuplets, so she can be afraid that he might think she is lying. Or she might think that her current self cannot compare to the idealized image of the girl from the past and is afraid that Foutarou would be disappointed in discovering the truth.
For the rest, I agree that Itsuki is most likely the one.
Personally speaking, my view of Miku is that she is very headstrong and will not hesitate to do what is needed to win over Fuutarou. Of course, one can argue that Miku only 'remembered' the Kyoto trip 5 years ago if she was the one listening in the conversation over at the park, and so she couldn't answer Fuutarou before when he asks if he met any of them before as kids.
Still, my understanding of Miku would be that if she is indeed Kyoto girl, she would be using her meeting with Fuutarou as Rena to confess she was the one from five years ago, just like 'Kintarou' trying to confess he was Fuutarou in this chapter. But Rena on the other hand said goodbye, and I can't for the life me see Miku throw off the biggest advantage she can ever get in winning Fuutarou's heart. It would be very much out of character for her at this point (fairness over equality), and while I can't discount it with absolute certainty since I'm not the author, the author at least has shown he is consistent over anything else. I for one would like to believe he was consistent all the way through with Rena's characterization, so there's no way Rena was Miku at that time.
Tenzen12
2018-07-04, 08:34
Fuutarou had it comming though. noone like being made fool of.
At least the misunderstanding is cleared and won't be dragged forever.
https://i.imgur.com/yq1TI6o.png
Why no Miku?
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-04, 12:27
Someone said that the panel above Fuutarou is supposed to be Miku seeing Nino. (And that's her hair in the corner?)
it looks like Miku is stalking Fuutarou based on the last page.
zezegui222
2018-07-04, 14:34
A head with headphones, if this isn't Miku then author is trolling.
But... it's like Nino just get out of the hotel, then, she was stalking him? Or was going to talk with Nino? Who knows...
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-06, 06:09
Remember the team effort theory about the Rena stuff?
https://i.imgur.com/WqY27xY.jpg
While it seems that the majority of the chapter is going to be Yotsuba centric, that last page pretty much shows Miku disguising as Nino for whatever reason. So it's a joint operation between the two, or are there other quints involved? Hmm...
Marcus H.
2018-07-07, 03:43
Man, to be honest, I'd like this effort to be Rena translated into some semblance of effort in actual studying. :heh:
So many things happened this chapter
https://i.imgur.com/X9KIS9d.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/hwDxJ4a.png
Finally non-quintuplet girls were shown clearly
https://i.imgur.com/nT5Oz7w.png
Yotsuba's chapter
https://i.imgur.com/Ci6t1c3.png
Hot
https://i.imgur.com/7SZianl.png
Miku Batoru
blitz1/2
2018-07-10, 10:46
I got a feeling that Nino and Miku has a minor truce of sorts. Miku gets to be with Fuutarou and Nino gets her freedom.
Nino is still acting like that, not that I'm surprised. Yotsuba is giving me some serious winner vibes if I'm completely honest, she's earning those points little by little.
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-11, 13:58
The first and second page had the best timeline: 3toubun no Hanayome.
Some readers think that there is a connection between Miku stalking Nino's whereabouts and the rustling during Fuutarou's and Itsuki's moonlight conversation, effectively making Miku the eavesdropper there, as well as Rena. We shall see.
Celeiro100
2018-07-12, 14:16
I posted this in a comment in reddit, in the /r/manga, and I'm gonna post here as well:
I believe it's Miku.
The fact remains that Nino was surprised by seeing Fuutarou wet, even when that happened in his talk with Rena just before he going to "Nino's" hotel. Nino can't be that Rena.
The athletic sister is incredible, and supportive, but it would be much work (both physically and emotionally) from both her and the runners to make an fake alibi near that lake. It would require that she AND HER TEAM would know where fuutarou was. Nope, she was just training nearby with her team.
I made it clear it can't be Nino and Yotsuba. Now,
Nino mentioned that Itsuki was trying, in a certain way, to imitate their mother, when Itsuki was trying to stop Nino's ugly show. In other words, she was really similar to their mom when she was trying to be responsable.
Also, Nino also mentioned they had ALL similar personalities in the past (likely five years ago), and probably at that age they were likely A LOT influencied by their mother personality. In other words, it's no surprise that girl from the past having said words that Itsuki repeated years later, when she tried to say something responsable.
Miku is the whom most changed her appearence in the manga. While Ichika is the actress in the manga, Miku already made, by herself, enough acts of her sisters. Enough that she could also imitate her mother, being Rena. Also she tried to resolve the situation with Fuutarou in her side, but Fuutarou always tried to talk and do his own stuff, since he's their teacher.
This sub thinks Miku's love and approach is about just being fair and direct, but this sub forgot that she mentions the "warm" part she described and her wish to being with everyone. She wants to be a little more useful to Fuutarou, or at least give him a task a little easier, because he tried his best to understand and know better the situation, with her at his side in the first day, but he, day after day, tried and he couldn't hide his determination and his despair.
Some say that Miku would reveal herself as that girl and not just hide, but why the other girls would hide? For me, Miku is the one from the sisters trying her best to resolve the situation, considering even bringing "Rena", whom is part of her past, at least. Trying to be one different person that Fuutarou obviously has some cute affairs, she tried to bring her forgotten, mommy and cute personality from 5 years ago to life to actually help him and her sisters, one last time. One fricking last time, and that's why she said there wouldn't have a third encounter. And she hide it because the difference in her two personalities, she thought, it would be too big to explain to her crush. She wanted to help and avoid misunderstandings.
Why do I think it's Miku? Like I already said, Miku is the one whom comes to mind when hiding such a past character because of how opposite her actual personality is from her past one.
Also, she was nearby the hotel, already seeing Nino when she abruptaly left the hotel AT NIGHT. Who stays, even at night, to see if Fuutarou would win the battle? Well, I can say, at least, that Miku probably had enough circunstancial proof to know Fuutarou was in the lake before going to the hotel. Because she... was watching nearby... To no say "stalking".
Celeiro100
2018-07-12, 15:13
The first and second page had the best timeline: 3toubun no Hanayome.
Some readers think that there is a connection between Miku stalking Nino's whereabouts and the rustling during Fuutarou's and Itsuki's moonlight conversation, effectively making Miku the eavesdropper there, as well as Rena. We shall see.
Yes, you see... I don't dislike Itsuki myself, but her's and Nino's development are going to the same end: approaching Fuutarou, and creating and letting their fights happen to serve as story to approach Fuutarou.
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-14, 07:19
Best design (IMO) in danger?
Nino and Miku have a talk. Nino is angry and embarrassed about Fuutarou tricking her with the disguise, but Miku said it's fine, because they also do the same all the time. Conversation shifts towards their answer sheets and taste about tea. Nino likes green tea, Miku likes black tea, but they still try the other one's too. Both argue about their taste, but find on the internet that the two uses the same leaves and they laugh. They are changing and Nino is determined to erase the past, so brings out a scissor. She says Miku should be determined too... Nino's hair is one thing, but if Miku also has a haircut, then I will be all kinds of mad. Proto Miku's design is haunting me, I don't wanna see those terrible short twintails or anything similar again!
On Yotsuba's side, looks like Itsuki tries to take her place, but her disguise sucks!
Celeiro100
2018-07-14, 10:19
Best design (IMO) in danger?
Nino and Miku have a talk. Nino is angry and embarrassed about Fuutarou tricking her with the disguise, but Miku said it's fine, because they also do the same all the time. Conversation shifts towards their answer sheets and taste about tea. Nino likes green tea, Miku likes black tea, but they still try the other one's too. Both argue about their taste, but find on the internet that the two uses the same leaves and they laugh. They are changing and Nino is determined to erase the past, so brings out a scissor. She says Miku should be determined too... Nino's hair is one thing, but if Miku also has a haircut, then I will be all kinds of mad. Proto Miku's design is haunting me, I don't wanna see those terrible short twintails or anything similar again!
On Yotsuba's side, looks like Itsuki tries to take her place, but her disguise sucks!
The fact that several chapters were brought to Fuutarou suffering because of Nino, to be resolved because of Miku, is so ironic that it certainly feels that these girls have personalities. I still think Nino should go to jail or something. :D:D
Now we know that Itsuki can't be Rena, because she sucks at creating her disguise herself alone.
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-14, 10:33
Apparently, I mixed up the teas, but it doesn't really matter. ^^"
The initial plan was calling Miku to play Yotsuba, but they can't get in touch with her.
Related pic (https://i.imgur.com/9gWFt1w.jpg)
Don't you dare, Haruba-sensei, don't you dare...
Celeiro100
2018-07-14, 19:38
This scene of Nino holding the scissors smells like murder and tastes like horror.
Kuroageha
2018-07-14, 21:33
Plots like these are signals for the loser girls.
Celeiro100
2018-07-16, 07:50
I don't know about that. Nino seems to be wanting to cut officially Miku's hair first, then, all of the sudden, make Miku out of the Room, for never disguise as Nino again. We are talking about a terrible person, after all.
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-16, 08:20
Let's just wait for the actual outcome, before it turns into another bait.
To me, the way Nino talks and goes for the scissor indicates that she is willing to get the character development haircut, but also wants to force Miku into getting one. The opimistic take on the situation is that she knows that Miku is in love with Fuutarou, plays wingsis, therefore wants Miku to show her pretty face more to him, so she aims to cut the bangs that covers her face and eye. However, this would pretty much turn Nino into Ichika sooner or later, who started as a supporter, but now fights agains her own feelings.
The pessimistic take is what Celeiro said about the disguise.
Unfortunately, I can't imagine an outcome, where only Nino gets the cut. Both or just Miku, that's the twist.
Everyone fights fairly
Except Itsuki
She's taking down his family first by freeloading at his house
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-16, 09:01
Even Fuutarou was so tired of her collecting waifu points, that he voluntarily went to Nino's hotelroom to advance the Nino route instead. :heh:
BTW, it's sad that the whole fuss was mainly Nino's and Itsuki's fault to begin with, yet both of them do like absolutely nothing to patch things up.
Celeiro100
2018-07-16, 09:57
I thought about it too. These two are simply much prideful for my tastes. But because of that, I prefer chapters about the other three. I don't know the outcome for Miku, Ichika and Yotsuba, but I just hope they get happy in the end.
Kinda funny how the author makes everyone get in different discussions or problems but Itsuki is the only one that is AFK when that happens. Strong winning vibes for this one.
Celeiro100
2018-07-16, 12:48
Actually, she is, this time, more participative in the problems. For some dumb reason, though, she only goes to try to solve the problem after numerous tries from Fuutarou himself.
Kuroageha
2018-07-16, 15:58
^
He means as source of the problems.
Celeiro100
2018-07-17, 06:40
Ah, right.
Yeah, I agree.
Celeiro100
2018-07-17, 17:43
The chapter with the LTH translations came out.
And I wonder If Miku really isn't going to win, because she's definitly A Main Girl.
^I think it's more like she slided into main heroine position somewhere along the serialization
Specifically, the 100-points chapter :
https://i.imgur.com/2BK5f3g.png
There's no denying that Itsuki was originally the main heroine
It's clear from the One-Shot
Maybe she still is
Itsuki is in the opposite position from Miku
Miku is uniting the quintuplets while Itsuki is way outside the gameboard and playing with Fuutarou's family instead
https://i.imgur.com/iRlOoBF.png
If Miku wins, the other quintuplets would acknowledge that, and it's a deserved win considering all she has done
Itsuki's contributions to the unity is minuscule to be honest, and it would piss many people that it's better to have harem ending instead
To be completely honest, I can't stop feeling like Miku is the Onodera of this manga.
Kuroageha
2018-07-18, 00:25
@wuhugm
Have you forgot when how many series have all the heroines bend down to the main one winning even if it goes against their established personalities?
To be completely honest, I can't stop feeling like Miku is the Onodera of this manga.
Wrong comparison, Onodera did nothing until the end when it was late thanks to the author preventing anything from progressing to her advantage.
^As much as I hate Adagaki Aki's victory, at least she deserved it
At this moment, only Miku deserves it and I hope it stays that way
Kuroageha
2018-07-18, 00:43
I wasn't even thinking of Masamune when I wrote that but other various series.
If any of the quints deserve the win right now, it's most definitely Miku.
The thing is... that she's mostly working in the shadows and while we as readers do know how hard she's working for everyone's sake, Fuutarou himself isn't really aware of it and even if he is somewhat aware, he wouldn't know to what extent. Therein lies the problem as even tho she's getting all of this development, it isn't being used to progress her relationship with him in any way, for now at least.
Then we have Itsuki who's contributed the least to helping her sisters so far and still managing to gain waifu points all over the place cause she's practically living at his house for who knows how long. (If I were to give it a time-frame, I'd say about 3-5 days) As it stands, she's currently the most undeserving to win, yet that just might be the route the author may go with... :heh:
If I had to rank them in terms of who most deserves the win, it'd go something like:
Miku >> Ichika = Yotsuba > Nino >= Itsuki.
^Agree to that
Btw, let's talk about the order of Character Arcs
All of them are following their order of birth, except Miku's
Miku (First Arc?) -> Ichika -> Nino -> Yotsuba -> Itsuki (Fifth Arc?)
Why was Miku put first while the others follow order
And was the first arc really Miku's arc or just Common Arc?
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-18, 04:18
It's debatable. You could say that the first 2 chapters are the introduction, but also could say that it's Itsuki centric, because she got the most screentime there. Then we have Miku's arc, then there is the time with Nino coming out of the bath, where Fuutarou saved her from the falling books, which is IMO also a Nino arc, therefore takes place before Ichika's actress revelation.
All in all, it's still a guessing game of "Who is the main heroine?" Privileges, flags and tropes versus effort.
^Nino and the falling book is not an "arc" but chapter imho, it's just like Yuragi Yuuna's weekly ecchi, Nino's chapter
The arcs are : Ichika's Actress Arc -> Nino's Kintarou Arc -> Yotsuba's Club Arc
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-18, 04:58
TBH, in that case none of them feels like arcs in size except for Ichika's.
Usually, the meat of their story takes up only 2 chapters, but there are recurring elements. Nino met Kintarou at the end of Chapter 25, then the next chapter is all about Nino and that's it. But Kintarou is brought back later and now the "arc" is done. Yotsuba's problems was also an early issue with basketball, but now it's beyond her control with the track club, so it's also needs closure.
Celeiro100
2018-07-18, 14:46
^ For some reason, I think Ichika developed more in the School trip than in her own arc. Wow.
Separating the events in this manga into arcs is a very difficult thing to do. Arcs aren't linear (in the sense that they focus on one girl at a time), nor do they focus on one particular theme/sub-plot. In this manga, major arcs tend to contain several smaller plot-lines and minor arcs within them.
If we were to categorize the events which occurred in this manga, then we can generalize it as major arcs, minor arcs and smaller plots which occur within minor arcs.
I've tried dividing everything up to the best of my ability and the following is the best I could come up with:
-----------------
Legend:
- Major arc (Main focus)
> - Minor arc
* - Smaller plot-line
-----------------
[B]Introduction Arc (General, Miku)
>General introduction of the quints.
>Rocky start with Itsuki (foundation laid for later arcs)
>Meeting and getting to know Miku.
*Miku won over (platonic).
Actress Arc (Ichika)
>Festival and fireworks.
>Fuutarou defines his relationship with the quints. (partnership)
*Miku beings falling in love with Fuutarou.
*Ichika won over (platonic).
Midterm Exams Arc (Itsuki)
>Fuutarou has condition imposed on him by quints father.
*Has falling out with Itsuki.
>Nino finds out about the condition.
*Sees picture of Fuu in his youth. Deflects with a lie. (foundation laid for Kintarou plot-line)
>Reconciles with Itsuki. (No real change in relationship aside from willingness to accept his tutelage)
*They fail the exam, but Fuutarou is saved by Nino.
School Trip Arc (General)
>Itsuki begins having doubts about Fuu's relationship with her sisters.
*Caught one of her sisters being intimate with a sleeping Fuu, but doesn't know who it is.
*Doubts further increase.
>Kintarou plot-line begins. (Nino focused)
>Miku accepts her feelings for Fuu.
>Ichika begins accepting her feelings for Fuu.
>Fuu finally earns Itsuki's trust. (platonic)
>Misses bonfire due to getting sick.
*Flash-forward to wedding day.
>Begins suspecting one of the quints to be Kyoto girl.
*Flashback to when he first met Kyoto girl.
*Dismisses suspicions.
Holiday Arc (Yotsuba)
>Goes on date with Yotsuba.
*Yotsuba gets Fuu to genuinely smile.
*Hinted that she may be developing feelings for him.
Final Exams Arc (Nino, Itsuki)
>Falling out between Nino and Itsuki.
*Nino moves into a hotel.
*Itsuki starts raking up waifu points with Fuu's family.
>Kyoto girl revealed to remember who Fuu is. Gives him charm. (foundation set for future plot-line)
>Nino begins warming up to Fuu. (platonic)
*Kintarou plot-line resolved.
>Miku working in the shadows to fix her sisters' problems.
>Yotsuba club plot-line.
Even though each arc tends to have one or two girls as the main point of focus, the author doesn't neglect or outright ignore the others and opts to develop them alongside the main girl(s) per arc. That's why it's hard to just categorize arcs by girl who received most focus.
Also, I'm aware that there are some things I left out and frankly, that's because my memory is unreliable and I don't want to wrongly place an event under an incorrect arc. I'm not gonna reread this manga just to properly fill out this list so if there's something I missed, feel free to add it in. Additionally, if I labelled something as minor/smaller and the label doesn't seem appropriate, feel free to make any adjustments as well.
DragoonKain3
2018-07-18, 22:38
What the hell? Why does Fuu need Miku to impersonate Yotsuba when he has the debuting actress right by his side? I guess short hair is a dead give away, but Itsuki's longer hair is even worse.
Yep, author is showing chinks in his logic armor... XD
Now we know that Itsuki can't be Rena, because she sucks at creating her disguise herself alone.
Nah, Itsuki as Yotsuba was an improptu thing Fuu was forced to do because Yotsuba was leaving already. We know Itsuki is smart enough to make a disguise that can fool even her sisters during the ski trip, and Rena was also taking good care of Fuu not having a good look at her face. If it's premeditated, it's been shown Itsuki can do it DESPITE having her heart beating so fast, and her improvised Yotsuba costume does nothing to disprove that.
Tenzen12
2018-07-18, 23:09
Miku is obviously most reliable of sisters. Isn't natural to entrust important role most trustworthy person around.
Separating the events in this manga into arcs is a very difficult thing to do. Arcs aren't linear (in the sense that they focus on one girl at a time), nor do they focus on one particular theme/sub-plot. In this manga, major arcs tend to contain several smaller plot-lines and minor arcs within them.
If we were to categorize the events which occurred in this manga, then we can generalize it as major arcs, minor arcs and smaller plots which occur within minor arcs.
I've tried dividing everything up to the best of my ability and the following is the best I could come up with:
-----------------
Legend:
- Major arc (Main focus)
> - Minor arc
* - Smaller plot-line
-----------------
[B]Introduction Arc (General, Miku)
>General introduction of the quints.
>Rocky start with Itsuki (foundation laid for later arcs)
>Meeting and getting to know Miku.
*Miku won over (platonic).
Actress Arc (Ichika)
>Festival and fireworks.
>Fuutarou defines his relationship with the quints. (partnership)
*Miku beings falling in love with Fuutarou.
*Ichika won over (platonic).
Midterm Exams Arc (Itsuki)
>Fuutarou has condition imposed on him by quints father.
*Has falling out with Itsuki.
>Nino finds out about the condition.
*Sees picture of Fuu in his youth. Deflects with a lie. (foundation laid for Kintarou plot-line)
>Reconciles with Itsuki. (No real change in relationship aside from willingness to accept his tutelage)
*They fail the exam, but Fuutarou is saved by Nino.
School Trip Arc (General)
>Itsuki begins having doubts about Fuu's relationship with her sisters.
*Caught one of her sisters being intimate with a sleeping Fuu, but doesn't know who it is.
*Doubts further increase.
>Kintarou plot-line begins. (Nino focused)
>Miku accepts her feelings for Fuu.
>Ichika begins accepting her feelings for Fuu.
>Fuu finally earns Itsuki's trust. (platonic)
>Misses bonfire due to getting sick.
*Flash-forward to wedding day.
>Begins suspecting one of the quints to be Kyoto girl.
*Flashback to when he first met Kyoto girl.
*Dismisses suspicions.
Holiday Arc (Yotsuba)
>Goes on date with Yotsuba.
*Yotsuba gets Fuu to genuinely smile.
*Hinted that she may be developing feelings for him.
Final Exams Arc (Nino, Itsuki)
>Falling out between Nino and Itsuki.
*Nino moves into a hotel.
*Itsuki starts raking up waifu points with Fuu's family.
>Kyoto girl revealed to remember who Fuu is. Gives him charm. (foundation set for future plot-line)
>Nino begins warming up to Fuu. (platonic)
*Kintarou plot-line resolved.
>Miku working in the shadows to fix her sisters' problems.
>Yotsuba club plot-line.
Even though each arc tends to have one or two girls as the main point of focus, the author doesn't neglect or outright ignore the others and opts to develop them alongside the main girl(s) per arc. That's why it's hard to just categorize arcs by girl who received most focus.
Also, I'm aware that there are some things I left out and frankly, that's because my memory is unreliable and I don't want to wrongly place an event under an incorrect arc. I'm not gonna reread this manga just to properly fill out this list so if there's something I missed, feel free to add it in. Additionally, if I labelled something as minor/smaller and the label doesn't seem appropriate, feel free to make any adjustments as well.
Somewhat agree to this if you categorize the arcs by events/time frames
For me what constitutes an arc is a plot point functioning as the core
Thus :
1. Ichika = Acting
2. Nino = Ego
3. Miku = ?
4. Yotsuba = Club
5. Itsuki = ?
The elements of acting/etc can spread throughout the manga but the arc ends when the plot point found resolution
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-19, 03:59
The author recently changed his Twitter profile pic, which was Yotsuba from Chapter 1's colored illustration to This (https://i.imgur.com/NwGJrpr.jpg).
The one year anniversary is on the corner, so I think this might be from an upcoming illustration, celebrating the event. Either that or Volume 6's cover, which is an alternate take on the 1st.
^Get that filth out of my sight
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-19, 05:14
This is the main reason why it's so hard to be hopeful.
Kuroageha
2018-07-19, 08:50
Totally can't see it coming.
Celeiro100
2018-07-19, 09:52
I wouldn't get angry if Itsuki got the love ending. I wouldn't get disappointed with the author either. It's not the best ending, but whatever, it's a manga.
I wouldn't get angry if Nino got the love ending. I would get disappointed with the author though. It's not the best ending, and it's the worst, but whatever, it's a manga.
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-19, 12:18
The setting is crucial alongside the journey in order to accept an ending.
There are those series where the main heroine's name is in the title. If you are rooting for someone else, then chances say, you let your guard down, since sooner or later the inevitable is more than likely happens. Read these with caution, if you have a problem with the main heroine.
Then there are those series like 5toubun. The author came up with a great idea where seemingly all of the quints have equal chances of winning. So why? If this is the concept he is going for, then why on Earth is Itsuki portrayed as the main heroine candidate? Here is the problem: If any other quint wins this outside of Itsuki, people won't say it's an expected ending. But if Itsuki takes the W, then did the author achieve his goal about making the "Who is the main heroine?" premise worthwhile and hard to guess? I don't think so. First girl the readers saw, first girl Fuutarou interacted with, first girl that ended up in the same class as Fuutarou, first girl to enter his house, first girl to go on a "date" with, first girl to spend a night/more nights at his home etc... Now imagine all of these distributed equally among the quints and we could be more hopeful. I don't want the ending to be the most predictable outcome ever, when it shouldn't be.
To me, while this series is more balanced that others like Nisekoi, Itsuki is clearly the main heroine from the beginning and the other girls are mostly there to spice things a bit. I don't think the author is really trying to make all of them equals, but if that's the case...he failed.
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-19, 15:36
The manga PV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3k9VYR8AQ) asks the question at the end: Which quintuplet is the (main) heroine?
I don't think these are made without the author's consent, so I highly doubt they would resolve to false advertising like this. Otherwise, they could have told him to name the series after the main heroine or something.
BTW, the majority of the liked comments are overwhelming Ayaneru and Miku love. There are some Yotsuba love there, found one Ichika (Ironic), but even though I scrolled down to 2-4 likes, didn't find Nino and Itsuki appreciation.
Celeiro100
2018-07-19, 16:04
Did you remember that Luigi meme, "Luigi wins by doing absoluty nothing"?
Well, this will be kinda sad if Itsuki takes it for personal gain.
Again, I wouldn't be disappointed with the author.
Tenzen12
2018-07-19, 18:42
To me, while this series is more balanced that others like Nisekoi, Itsuki is clearly the main heroine from the beginning and the other girls are mostly there to spice things a bit. I don't think the author is really trying to make all of them equals, but if that's the case...he failed.
I will not argue who is or isn't main heroine, but I tsuki was clearly neglected in earlier chapter and while recently she got more presence same so far she didn't became important in any way nor she got any special treatment from Fuutarou.
I will not argue who is or isn't main heroine, but I tsuki was clearly neglected in earlier chapter and while recently she got more presence same so far she didn't became important in any way nor she got any special treatment from Fuutarou.
That's why when she wins it'll be annoying
The manga PV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3k9VYR8AQ) asks the question at the end: Which quintuplet is the (main) heroine?
There's no such question tho
Tenzen12
2018-07-20, 02:51
Well, I can't argue with that even if I wanted (and I don't). From very beginning, unlike many others I didn't have problem with Itsuki character, but inoffensive heroine might be as bad choice as crappy one if handled poorly, which would certainly be this case.
At this point Itsuki is shallow character and didn't earned right to be winner.
Well, I can't argue with that even if I wanted (and I don't). From very beginning, unlike many others I didn't have problem with Itsuki character, but inoffensive heroine might be as bad choice as crappy one if handled poorly, which would certainly be this case.
At this point Itsuki is shallow character and didn't earned right to be winner.
Just like every main heroine from rom-com yet most of them won in the end. :heh:
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-20, 06:16
Hopefully, the conclusion of this arc.
https://i.imgur.com/zVf5N0R.jpg
Short haired Nino saves the day by disguising as Yotsuba and demonstrates her "cute" personality to the captain of the track team. Miku seems to fine based on the right corner of the third image, but maybe it's just setting up the double surprise... Nino is not angry about Fuutarou anymore and reconciles with Itsuki.
LeftSeven
2018-07-20, 06:39
duh nino , what's with that short hair?
dissappointed, nino has been nerfed.
Tenzen12
2018-07-20, 09:33
Just like every main heroine from rom-com yet most of them won in the end. :heh:
It's not that terrible. In half cases main heroine winning is at least barely acceptable. There are even cases where it's preferable.
Generalising is bad, you know.
Kuroageha
2018-07-20, 10:22
Does Yotsuba even knows what they're doing?
Fuutarou seems kinda weirded out at "Yotsuba"
Hopefully, the conclusion of this arc.
https://i.imgur.com/zVf5N0R.jpg
Short haired Nino saves the day by disguising as Yotsuba and demonstrates her "cute" personality to the captain of the track team. Miku seems to fine based on the right corner of the third image, but maybe it's just setting up the double surprise... Nino is not angry about Fuutarou anymore and reconciles with Itsuki.
It took long enough for Nino to stop being a douchebag, thank god that now all is over and she redeemed herself. Also I like the short hair look, hopefully Miku didn't cut her hair, that would be a sacrilege.
@Sixth Agree on that, I don't expect anything from this manga since the girl that wins at the end usually does it without effort or proper developments. There is still room for a surprise at the end and the journey is enjoyable but is better to keep the expectations at the lowest level.
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-20, 11:55
duh nino , what's with that short hair?
dissappointed, nino has been nerfed.
I have to see it in better quality to judge it further, but at first glance, it doesn't look bad at all to me with the butterfly ribbons. And most of the time, I hate it when they go from long hair to short hair. An exception from recent memory is Megumi from Saekano to me, but she started with short so maybe that's why I hated the long hair.
BTW, in the first pic, she looks like proto Yotsuba, which I think is an intended detail given the impersonation.
Somewhat agree to this if you categorize the arcs by events/time frames
For me what constitutes an arc is a plot point functioning as the core
Thus :
1. Ichika = Acting
2. Nino = Ego
3. Miku = ?
4. Yotsuba = Club
5. Itsuki = ?
The elements of acting/etc can spread throughout the manga but the arc ends when the plot point found resolution
I personally found it easier to categorize by events. Trying to categorize by central character (focus of that particular arc) becomes a little more unclear as so much tends to happen during arcs. Ofc, we'll be able to identify the central character, but sometimes, another sister can get arguably better development than the one who's supposed to be the focus character.
For example, if we were to look at the school trip arc, I'd say Itsuki was supposed to be the main focus there, but Ichika and to a lesser extent Nino benefited more from that than she did.
The author recently changed his Twitter profile pic, which was Yotsuba from Chapter 1's colored illustration to This (https://i.imgur.com/NwGJrpr.jpg).
The one year anniversary is on the corner, so I think this might be from an upcoming illustration, celebrating the event. Either that or Volume 6's cover, which is an alternate take on the 1st.
I'm not sweatin' it anymore. I've already steeled myself in the event that Itsuki wins, so my levels of disappointment would be kept to a minimum. So long as the author doesn't pull a Yoshino on me, I won't get mad. :heh:
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-20, 14:07
Perfect opportunity then to tell my final kick in the nut theory. :heh:
I think the bride we saw thus far is not necessarily the true bride, if we anticipate all of the quints showing up at the altar together, asking Fuutarou to pick his wife. Fuutarou anticipated this, so he plays along. This would be tied together with the final part of the high school flashback, where they successfully graduated so the time has come to settle the romance. All of them approach Fuutarou and tell him their feelings in sync. Before we see his answer, the chapter ends. Back to the wedding for the final chapter, all of the quints are at the altar and Fuutarou picks Itsuki, which the high school flashback also confirms. It is revealed that the bride we saw thus far was indeed someone else. If I'm not mistaken, Miku is the most popular choice among those, who analyzed the picture to the maximum and came into the conclusion that based on the hair color and smile, she is the most likely the bride. So they weren't wrong, but didn't want to be right this way. The end.
Oh man, if that were to happen, it'd truly be a kick to the balls.
It isn't a stretch and this could very well happen considering that there's this recurring theme of the sisters impersonating each other.
This scenario also results in generating salt among the faction of fans who support the 'fake' bride. That's because whoever the girl is, her faction of supporters are gonna get pissed when they realize that she isn't the real bride.
Marcus H.
2018-07-20, 21:35
Why can't authors just make stories that proceed with the logical progress instead of suddenly changing up plotlines to favor a girl in exchange for ruining established story details?
Every single romcom has to go that dumb route. It gets too tiring.
Kuroageha
2018-07-20, 23:20
WingedAccelerator confirmed to be the author of Hoshino.
Perfect opportunity then to tell my final kick in the nut theory. :heh:
I think the bride we saw thus far is not necessarily the true bride, if we anticipate all of the quints showing up at the altar together, asking Fuutarou to pick his wife. Fuutarou anticipated this, so he plays along. This would be tied together with the final part of the high school flashback, where they successfully graduated so the time has come to settle the romance. All of them approach Fuutarou and tell him their feelings in sync. Before we see his answer, the chapter ends. Back to the wedding for the final chapter, all of the quints are at the altar and Fuutarou picks Itsuki, which the high school flashback also confirms. It is revealed that the bride we saw thus far was indeed someone else. If I'm not mistaken, Miku is the most popular choice among those, who analyzed the picture to the maximum and came into the conclusion that based on the hair color and smile, she is the most likely the bride. So they weren't wrong, but didn't want to be right this way. The end.
This is how I would have ended the series if I am the writer.
The quints' father told Fuutarou that if he really loves his daughter, he needs to prove it. The quints' father had all his daughters wore the wedding dress and had them on the altar and demand Fuutarou to pick his real wife among the sisters.
Fuutarou: Sigh...This is easy. I love her enough to tell which of them is my wife and I am going to demonstrate in front of you, father in law.
and the chapter ends with Fuutarou pointing his finger at those sisters from afar and he said YOU are my wife.
THE END.
:heh::heh::heh:
Kuroageha
2018-07-21, 00:32
Credits roll.
By Night Shyamalan.
I really hope none of you will ever write a manga that picks my interest... :P
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-21, 02:49
Why can't authors just make stories that proceed with the logical progress instead of suddenly changing up plotlines to favor a girl in exchange for ruining established story details?
Every single romcom has to go that dumb route. It gets too tiring.
I feel like majority of the authors want to tell the readers that love is not logical, love is not rational. It doesn't matter if a girl is "worse" compared to the other candidates, because the MC ended up falling for her regardless. She was meant to him, it was fate, you can't control who you are falling in love with... From the readers perspective, it sure could be tiresome.
WingedAccelerator confirmed to be the author of Hoshino.
Going back to porn now. ;)
Another ending from me v2.0:
5 sisters involved in a car crash. They were on the way home from the saloon after get a new short hair cut together. 4 died and got horrible disfigured. One survived and she lost her memory so she can't tell who and what her name was. The only name she remembered was Rena and Fuutarou. She decided to use the name "Rena".
Because of her fragment of memories keep get triggered occasionally and it got mixed up, she end up putting earphone around her neck, starting to do workout on her physical stat, learn to tease and act, learn to cook delicious meals, eventually study hard and get good at all the school subjects, wear the star hairpin on left side and black ribbon at the right side. She became 100%.
The story ended with Fuutarou married "Rena" without ever finding out who she was. :heh:
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-21, 08:34
After the troll ending, where everyone could be happy by imagining her favourite girl as the bride, this version 2.0 smells like a telenovela. This idea had to be used before. :heh:
Text spoilers came for the next chapter:
- Fuutarou separated Yotsuba from the group by shouting there's a pervert, then started running and Yotsuba gave chase to her. Yotsuba recognized his smell. xD
- Track team captain easily recognized Itsuki too and scolded her. It was a quint joke, a quint joke.
- Miku confirmed as unchanged, because she is behind Ichika, when Fuutarou thought she is the one playing Yotsuba.
- Yotsuba stood up on her own and refused the track team.
- The seven goodbyes seem to refer to the 5 past quints and Kintarou from Nino, and the track team from Yotsuba. (Or is it the Rena stuff with Fuutarou?)
- Nino apologized about the fuss, she acknowledges that it was her fault, but Itsuki should apologize about the force of the slap, because it hurt.
- Itsuki pulls out the romance movie tickets Nino wanted to see, while Nino also has the science movie tickets Itsuki wanted to see behind her back. Cute.
Celeiro100
2018-07-21, 17:22
Why can't authors just make stories that proceed with the logical progress instead of suddenly changing up plotlines to favor a girl in exchange for ruining established story details?
Every single romcom has to go that dumb route. It gets too tiring.
I don't know, man. Maybe it's their way of telling whose real woman would be best, with what caracteristics, through the story's choosen girl.
If the ending is to figure out which one of the brides is his real lover then it would be either Ichika or Miku since Itsuki and the other 2 can't impersonate the others at all
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-23, 04:39
If the ending is to figure out which one of the brides is his real lover then it would be either Ichika or Miku since Itsuki and the other 2 can't impersonate the others at all
Don't think about it as a trial, a true impersonation of the bride, but as a send-off of their sister, the closure of their romantic feelings towards Fuutarou. All of them want to share this moment together, so if it happens, I doubt that they will look the same. The Kyoto days are over. They don't want to make a fool out of Fuutarou, however they make sure Fuutarou is truly looking at them seriously now to notice the differences like hair length, accessories and such. High school Fuutarou still has a problem with that, but by the time the wedding is happening, he should be more than ready.
Marcus H.
2018-07-23, 08:41
I feel like majority of the authors want to tell the readers that love is not logical, love is not rational. It doesn't matter if a girl is "worse" compared to the other candidates, because the MC ended up falling for her regardless. She was meant to him, it was fate, you can't control who you are falling in love with... From the readers perspective, it sure could be tiresome.
That's the thing—most literature has to work under consistency and/or rationality, and of course, considering love in real-life is simply irrational at times, it leaves everything to consistency. The author must justify the relationship, or else people would immediately see that something is off.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/romance-fail-the-worst-fictional-pairings-and-why-the-1522745762
I hope Gotoubun doesn't go the way of "What are you talking about? I've always been in love with *spins roulette wheel*" or "Pairs Juggling" in that article above. Oreimo already went the way of "Hi New Guy, Welcome to the Love Triangle" with Ruri, and Haganai was way worse with that.
Just because lovers can be fools doesn't mean that love stories have to be foolish.
Rather than rationality, it's just simply main heroine will always win though
Tenzen12
2018-07-23, 09:11
And isn't that alright as long as main heroine is best girl and deserve it?
I feel like majority of the authors want to tell the readers that love is not logical, love is not rational. It doesn't matter if a girl is "worse" compared to the other candidates, because the MC ended up falling for her regardless. She was meant to him, it was fate, you can't control who you are falling in love with... From the readers perspective, it sure could be tiresome.
I would say that is problem in it's own right. I mean in real life "bad guys" often get away from what they do and your everyday Joe just get short end of stick (it's not rule, mind you, but it happens), but in fiction MC defeat willain and marry princess, because... that's a fair.
I really think this is something that author should apply on fictional romance too. I myself want good "ideal romance" where effort and merrit (of both MC and heroines) get rewarded instead of "girl X wins because love is irational". That's same as "bad guys win, becuase it's realistic" approach
I mean again even if it's the case in RL it's not like virtues got never rewarded here, it's just not rule. So why not have MC "irrationaly" fall for best girls. If love is irational and anyone would do, they should be also option.
In first place I don't think love is irational. Usually you fall for girl (or boy) who you get along, hold in high esteem... or at least that look good, which are all tangible reasons.
Marcus H.
2018-07-23, 09:23
Rather than rationality, it's just simply main heroine will always win though
But who is the main heroine? Based on how a story can be structured, just about anyone can be the main character; hell, some people even said that Thanos was the hero in Infinity War.
Another issue about this "love is irrational" thing is that it can be used as an excuse for losing control of a romance story. Well, YOU are the author; you should be in control of the story, not the other way around.
^Itsuki is main heroine
And isn't that alright as long as main heroine is best girl and deserve it?
Like Emilia > Rem ?
Tenzen12
2018-07-23, 09:35
Don't ask questions you already know answer...but, what about Inaba or Sheryl?
^Itsuki is main heroine
And probably the future winner :heh:
Don't ask questions you already know answer...but, what about Inaba or Sheryl?
Recent main heroine = best girl probably only Rinne from Island anime
Main heroine = Best girl is rare
As it should be since main heroine is only 1 for every series while there are at least 2 or more heroines
Like 100 series = 100 main heroines : 400 other heroines
Winning rate for main heroines should be 20%
Simple math
But somehow it's 80%
Coincidentally that odds is the same with the quintuplets problem :heh:
WingedAccelerator
2018-07-23, 11:24
And isn't that alright as long as main heroine is best girl and deserve it?
"Deserve" is a can of worms to me.
If I can, I like to avoid using the term, because reaching consensus about it is impossible. Who deserves to win? Someone, who likes the MC from the beginning? Someone, who is changed by the MC? Someone, who changed the MC? Someone, who is not a pain in the ass to the MC? Someone, who is reliable to the MC? Someone, who is honest with the MC? Someone, who the MC is comfortable around? Someone, who has impactful scenes with the MC? Someone, who has a sad backstory and wants to be happy? Someone, who idolizes the MC? And there are tons and tons of reasons you can go with. But even if the community can make a ranking, a lesser placed reason doesn't make the victories of others undeserved in all cases. Anyone could come up with reasons why their favourite character deserves to win compared to the others, and those reasons will be more important to them as the reasons for other characters. It's all subjective in the end, not based around accepted facts.
^Itsuki is main heroine
Original title: Itsutsugo no Itsuki-chan.
Tenzen12
2018-07-23, 11:39
That's it how math work, simply because main heroine (m) is not equal (actually side heroines aren't equal each other either)
Basic definition of main heroine is most important heroine. Author actually need damn good reason and skill to not have her win. That is something author's can but have no responsibility to do.
What they have responsility to do is writing consistent story, with winning girl being likeable and with enough merit to be accepted as by audience. (You basically want authors go full Tokyo drift, even though they tend to crash on empty highway already )
Well it is true, that authors fail in that regard more then not.
Recent main heroine = best girl probably only Rinne from Island anime
Main heroine = Best girl is rare
As it should be since main heroine is only 1 for every series while there are at least 2 or more heroines
Like 100 series = 100 main heroines : 400 other heroines
Winning rate for main heroines should be 20%
Simple math
But somehow it's 80%
Coincidentally that odds is the same with the quintuplets problem :heh:
Kinda agree with you on this.
All the romance series that the first girl wins, only 1 or 2 first girls that I actually acknowledge their deserved victory. The rest? Meh.
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