High School DxD Light Novel - Volume 24

[n0m@n]

High School DxD Volume 24 spoilers
I want to surpass my current self.
I want the power and courage......to defeat Kuroka-neesama.
I will fight so I can surpass Kuroka-neesama from that day.


That girl is weak. She is strong......but weak.
Even so, she probably wants to surpass me from that day and her ownself from that day......
That's why I will accept your challenge.


High school　D×D 24



I will surpass Kuroka-neesama!
　　　　　　　――Toujou Koneko

Ufufu♪　Sure. I will accept, Shirone.
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　――Kuroka


Those from the Underworld are sniffing around about the Nekomata sisters. You'd better be cautious. ――『Slash Dog』 Ikuse Tobio
The info they received from the Grigori's agent is regarding the movement of the grimreapers that are after Koneko and Kuroka.

Even though it's far ahead we still need to choose the date for the wedding. I'm so blessed...... ――Himejima Akeno
Those who had already done their engagement are getting their schedules for their future constantly being filled up.

I probably need to ask that damn father of mine...... ――Sitri Team: Grimreaper girl Bennia
The truth she was told from her father, the ultimate-class grimreaper Orcus, is――

Now, come at me. Youngsters. ――Vasco Strada
How will the Vali team fight against the man in his prime who had reached the ultimate height of a human being――

I will not fall back! I am also the part of this team! ――Vali Team: Le Fay Pendragon
Even if her opponents are those who she is living with there are things she cannot fall back in as long as she is in this team.

The leader of the realm of the dead, Thanatos――. So that's one who is leading the grimreapers for this incident. ――Xenovia Qualta
Those from the realm of the dead had finally confronted the DxD.

This team is unbelievable! ――Vali Team: Bikou
It's not like he was looking down on the Rias Gremory team. ――But, what appeared in front of him surpassed his expectation.

Joker can't make it. Strange incidents had been constantly occurring within the Church's jurisdiction. ――Shidou Irina
You could also say that report was sign of evil omen.

I had his highness train my spirit as a warrior trained from the very beginning. So here I come! ――Kiba Yuuto
Someone who may could been a warrior from the Church had been taught the meaning of strength by the leader of the Church's warrior――.

I want to protect Koneko-san's match! ――Ravel Phoenix
She needs to protect the important match of her friend who wants to surpass her sister.

I-I'm not a Kappa!! ――Vali Team: The current Sha Wujing
That word is a taboo to her.

Looks like we can resume from back then! Not just that, we can continue it under a better condition! ――Vali Team: Arthur Pendragon
The battle against the legendary warrior. He hoped to continue where they left off.

I will protect Rias-oneechan. Even if my opponent may be the legendary monster. ――Gasper Vladi
The Gremory boy would never take a step back even if their opponent may be a legendary existence.

This is boiling my blood! I can finally have a worthy battle. ――『 Crescent Circle Dragon』　Crom Cruach
Very well, it appears that I would also need to use that form. ――『Hakuryuukou of the Morning Star』 Vali Lucifer
The intense battle of the Dragons is about to explode――

Aaaaaaaah, Queen-samaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ――Vali Team: Current Zhu Bajie
The ultimate M finds his meaning for this battle on this day.

I think I'll get a bit serious now. ――Lint Selzan
Her true appearance will be unleashed?

I think I may know where the 『Slash Dog』 Team are.――Rossweisse
Looks like there are connections in unexpected places.

Very well. I will show you. My new way of fighting! ――Rias Gremory
That was something which far exceeded Vali Team's imagination.

No matter who comes at us, I will protect them everyone. Rias. Koneko-chan. And even Kuroka. ――『Sekiryuutei of the Blazing Truth』 Hyoudou Issei
Hyoudou Issei had a determination for his battle behind the scene of Rias's matches.


During the intense battle between the Hakuryuukou of the Morning Star Team and the Crimson Haired Ruin Princess, there were many emotions there――

Koneko. You need to overcome yourself from back then and now! ――Rias Gremory


This is the story of cat sisters which will connect their past, current, and future――


No matter how I was born. Myself back then who feared Kuroka-neesama......I will surpass all of them and――
――Toujou Koneko

You can't change the past. What I can do now is to stand up to her feeling and clash my feeling to her as well――
――Kuroka

Koneko-cham I want you to hear the my answer for your proposal back then.
And Kuroka! You are also――
――Hyoudou Issei

No matter what happens, he cannot let any disturbance happen in that battle――

We need to eliminate all of those who had contacted with that. We cannot let――Hades-sama know about this.
That's why we order you to hand the Nekomata sisters to us.
――Leader of the realm of the dead, Thanatos





The preliminary round for the World Tournament is about to hit the climax――

And then, the battle leads to the contest against a God

Also on that day, the 'dog' makes his move――


I'm Minagawa Natsume! Let's get along, Hyoudou Issei! ――『Slash Dog』 Team: Minagawa Natsume

I also like breasts, Chichiryuutei. ――『Slash Dog』 Team: Samejima

Va-kun, I will cheer for you for the match. ――『Eternal Ice Princess』 Lavinia Reni

Let's fight together for the sake of those we wish to protect, Hyoudou Issei-kun.
Even if our opponent is the grimreaper.

――『Slash Dog』 Ikuse Tobio

[Gaizafaiz]

YAYYYYYYYY. Thx @n0m@n

[Hakai]

This is boiling my blood! I can finally have a worthy battle. ――『 Crescent Circle Dragon』　Crom Cruach
Very well, it appears that I would also need to use that form. ―― 『Hakuryuukou of the Morning Star』 Vali Lucifer
The intense battle of the Dragons is about to explode――
So, DxD L Vali vs Crom.
We all knew this was going happen but still, HELL YEAH! Hype level maximum!

[Crimson406]

Thanatos is like Pluto, he's a Grim Reaper instead of a God.

[Bennia Lover]

I wonder if Thanatos is talking about the Other World or something entirely different exclusive to the nekomata sisters.

[n0m@n]

Most likely since Hades mentioned about the other world in v23.
By 'that' he could possibly mean Ise too. Since Hades pretty much indicated the origin of this is Ise though he didn't directly say his name. Ise equals source of trouble(miracles?)

[TheWu8128]

Sounds great, we get what looks to be a good battle between Ria's Team and Vali's Team and get to see more of the grim reapers couldn't ask for more

[Bennia Lover]

I want to see the illustrations already.

[Lucidrago]

I find it very skeptical about how Ishibumi is going to put all of that in one volume. It's going to be a very long volume.

Thanatos might still be a god. Tobio said our opponent is the Grim Reaper. Not that Thanatos is a Grim Reaper as in the actual species. But due to his role as the god of death he's referred to as 'The Grim Reaper'.


And then, the battle leads to the contest against a God

What does that line mean exactly? Does it refer to probably Thanatos? Or Issei's match against Team God Alliance?

[CCPDarkraiRules]

Thank you n0m@n for translating Volume 24 quotes and here the quotes I find interesting.

Even though it's far ahead we still need to choose the date for the wedding. I'm so blessed...... ――Himejima Akeno
Those who had already done their engagement are getting their schedules for their future constantly being filled up.

Akeno has entered Wedding Planning Mode.

I probably need to ask that damn father of mine...... ――Sitri Team: Grimreaper girl Bennia
The truth she was told from her father, the ultimate-class grimreaper Orcus, is――

Bennia development hopefully.

I had his highness train my spirit as a warrior trained from the very beginning. So here I come! ――Kiba Yuuto
Someone who may could been a warrior from the Church had been taught the meaning of strength by the leader of the Church's warrior――.

Kiba been training with Vasco.

Looks like we can resume from back then! Not just that, we can continue it under a better condition! ――Vali Team: Arthur Pendragon
The battle against the legendary warrior. He hoped to continue where they left off.

Arthur vs Vasco Rematch.

I will protect Rias-oneechan. Even if my opponent may be the legendary monster. ――Gasper Vladi
The Gremory boy would never take a step back even if their opponent may be a legendary existence.

Gasper vs Fenrir? probably.

This is boiling my blood! I can finally have a worthy battle. ――『 Crescent Circle Dragon』　Crom Cruach
Very well, it appears that I would also need to use that form. ――『Hakuryuukou of the Morning Star』 Vali Lucifer
The intense battle of the Dragons is about to explode――

We all it was coming.

Aaaaaaaah, Queen-samaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ――Vali Team: Current Zhu Bajie
The ultimate M finds his meaning for this battle on this day.

The ultimate S vs the ultimate M.

Very well. I will show you. My new way of fighting! ――Rias Gremory
That was something which far exceeded Vali Team's imagination.

Rias gets a power-up colour me interested.

This is the story of cat sisters which will connect their past, current, and future――


No matter how I was born. Myself back then who feared Kuroka-neesama......I will surpass all of them and――
――Toujou Koneko

You can't change the past. What I can do now is to stand up to her feeling and clash my feeling to her as well――
――Kuroka

Koneko-cham I want you to hear the my answer for your proposal back then.
And Kuroka! You are also――
――Hyoudou Issei

No matter what happens, he cannot let any disturbance happen in that battle――

We need to eliminate all of those who had contacted with that. We cannot let――Hades-sama know about this.
That's why we order you to hand the Nekomata sisters to us.
――Leader of the realm of the dead, Thanatos

Issei finally answers Koneko's proposal. Looks like there more to Koneko and Kuroko's backstory than we initially thought if Thanatos is after them for some reason. I feel that Thanatos despite being a Grim Reaper he is a God-class being.

I'm Minagawa Natsume! Let's get along, Hyoudou Issei! ――『Slash Dog』 Team: Minagawa Natsume

I also like breasts, Chichiryuutei. ――『Slash Dog』 Team: Samejima

Va-kun, I will cheer for you for the match. ――『Eternal Ice Princess』 Lavinia Reni

Let's fight together for the sake of those we wish to protect, Hyoudou Issei-kun.
Even if our opponent is the grimreaper.

――『Slash Dog』 Ikuse Tobio

Team Slash Dog interacting with Issei I am looking forward to it.

Side Note: every time I see Thanatos I can't help but think of Thanos saying "Fine. I'll do it myself."

[DragonOsman]

I'm curious what Thanatos wants to hide from Hades so badly that he wants the Nekomata sisters to be handed over to him. What exactly is "that"?

We need to eliminate all of those who had contacted with that. We cannot let――Hades-sama know about this.
That's why we order you to hand the Nekomata sisters to us.
――Leader of the realm of the dead, Thanatos

Thanatos could be a God, but he could also be just a Grim Reaper. Let's wait and see.

@n0m@n: I'm just asking here, but why are you thinking Ise's miracles are the reason here? Either way, though, doesn't it seem from the quote like Thanatos is trying hide "that" from Hades? Whatever it is?

Edit: One post late.
@Bennia Lover: Yeah, I'm also looking forward to the interactions between Ise and the Slash Dog team. They're going to be teaming up and fighting together in this Volume, right?

I'm also very interested in the Nekomata sisters' backstory, as well as in what "that" exactly is.

And I knew it. Ise really did take Koneko's proposal from back then seriously and he wants to give her his answer.

[Bennia Lover]

Maybe Kuroka's and Koneko's parents were killed by Thanatos in relation to whatever "that" is.

Edit: And Koneko was the first one to propose but Issei just withheld his answer.

[DragonOsman]

Maybe? But why would he want to hide that from Hades?

[Bennia Lover]

I'm not saying he's hiding their parents death, I'm saying what if their parents discovered whatever "that" is with Kuroka and Koneko involved. What if the entire nekoshou species were involved and them being slaughtered is the reason why the species is so rare now. Just giving interesting ideas. I would certainly do this if I was writing DxD.

[Seafoam]

I find it very skeptical about how Ishibumi is going to put all of that in one volume. It's going to be a very long volume.

Only 356 pages long. It's gonna be really fast paced.

[Bennia Lover]

356 isn't really fast paced.

[DragonOsman]

I'm also wondering he's going to pack a lot of that into just one book. Maybe some of it will be mentioned just in passing or not detailed much?

[thefreakmike]

The best bet is that some of the match will be detailed in the next Dx volume

[Seafoam]

356 isn't really fast paced.

It's average for most LNs. But this volume was apparently supposed to be longer but was split so it's probably gonna end on a cliffhanger. Although I'd prefer that he doesn't keep putting interesting stuff in the Dx. volumes just so the main ones can be about Ise and co.

[thefreakmike]

Tho isnt vol 25 going to be about Rose?

[Parry999]

I don't see Koneko beating kuroka. New fightning style what?

[cyberdemon]

I find it very skeptical about how Ishibumi is going to put all of that in one volume. It's going to be a very long volume.

Thanatos might still be a god. Tobio said our opponent is the Grim Reaper. Not that Thanatos is a Grim Reaper as in the actual species. But due to his role as the god of death he's referred to as 'The Grim Reaper'.




What does that line mean exactly? Does it refer to probably Thanatos? Or Issei's match against Team God Alliance?

From what I remember hearing volume 24 ended up being too long so the author split it between 24 and 25. So Rias's battle will probably be shown more and the battle against the grim reapers will conclude next volume.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten about that.

So yeah, maybe we really will see all of that stuff in Volume 24. Or most of it. I really want to see a detailed fight from Rias. So we can how strong she really got, and also her new fighting style.

[Lucidrago]

Yeah like that's going to happen.

[n0m@n]

In amazon it says its 356 pages long so its longer than usual. The spoiler is making it look like Rias team is very strong ....But Ishibumi, we all knew that ever since Crom, Strada, Lint and Valerie were mentioned in her team.

[Parry999]

Crom is possible the third strongest character in the series lol. God tier just because of him.

[Lucidrago]

Assuming that he's stronger than Indra and Typhon.

[Parry999]

That's why I said "Possibly." Oh wait I wrote possible.

[Lucidrago]

Well regardless Team Vali is going to win in my opinion. Anyone want to take any bets?

[n0m@n]

I always put my bet on Vali Team. He can't lose against anyone till he faces Ise. I mean he did already suffer a defeat against Cao Cao for a good reason but losing anymore than that is bad.


Anyways, Ise will be showing his 3rd Breast Technique in volume 24. First and second being dress break and Pailingual. And cover will be Koneko and Kuroka.

[Lucidrago]

Is it a twosie cover? Or one of the Nekomata sisters on the front cover and the other on the back cover?

[Parry999]

So the oppai beam doesn't count?

[thefreakmike]

IMO One most probable outcome is for Vali to win one on one but for Rias to win the RG, pretty much a similar scenario as Cao Cao vs Sairaorg or Ise vs Dulio

[n0m@n]

Should be both on front cover. The only time there were few characters in a cover was in v1, v2, and v8. Just got these info from the live stream few mintues ago regarding anime and LN. Not much info except for the ones I mentioned.

[Ruki0089]

I always put my bet on Vali Team. He can't lose against anyone till he faces Ise. I mean he did already suffer a defeat against Cao Cao for a good reason but losing anymore than that is bad.


Anyways, Ise will be showing his 3rd Breast Technique in volume 24. First and second being dress break and Pailingual. And cover will be Koneko and Kuroka.

Shinmai donburi~~~!!

[Lucidrago]

Or here's a good idea. Rias loses the match because Issei summoned her to suck on her breasts and Vali won because the enemy king just disappeared suddenly. And everyone's just like WTF! And Issei gets a new boobie power-up to defeat Thanatos and the Grim Reapers. It's brilliant!:heh:

[thefreakmike]

That... is actually very possible

[Ruki0089]

I won't surprised if that happens...

[Bennia Lover]

@noman Ahhh so that image of Koneko and Kuroka shown in the event is the cover of Volume 24

Edit: 3rd breast technique huh. I bet it's absorbing the girls's powers through their breasts :heh::eyespin:

[DragonOsman]

@Lucidrago: Yeah, your idea for his power-up and how Rias would lose is good. I can see that happening. But it probably won't be sucking. We remember what happened the last time Ishibumi tried to have him suck her breasts, right?

As for a detailed fight being shown from Rias. I can still be hopeful, right? And besides, if she has a new fighting style, Ishibumi could use that as an excuse to show us what she can do.

Anyway, the things Noman said will happen sound really interesting. I want to see them. Looking forward to both the cover and Ise's new breast power-up (if that's what it's going to be).

And guys, Crom Cruach is Heavenly Dragon-level, isn't he? That should put him somewhere below Indra and Shiva in terms of pure power, shouldn't it?

[syzorst]

@Lucidrago: Yeah, your idea for his power-up and how Rias would lose is good. I can see that happening. But it probably won't be sucking. We remember what happened the last time Ishibumi tried to have him suck her breasts, right?

As for a detailed fight being shown from Rias. I can still be hopeful, right? And besides, if she has a new fighting style, Ishibumi could use that as an excuse to show us what she can do.

Anyway, the things Noman said will happen sound really interesting. I want to see them. Looking forward to both the cover and Ise's new breast power-up (if that's what it's going to be).

And guys, Crom Cruach is Heavenly Dragon-level, isn't he? That should put him somewhere below Indra and Shiva in terms of pure power, shouldn't it?

The question is who would Rias be fighting on Vali's team?

[Bennia Lover]

Most likely Bikou given his quote reacting to Rias.

[DragonOsman]

If that's the case, it'd probably be a funny fight to watch in a way, given their dynamic. Bikou always makes fun of her because of the "Switch Princess" thing and he was even the one who came up with the name in the first place, and she doesn't like that. She's still sour about it. So I bet their interactions during the fight will be funny to watch, if he's the one Rias is going to fight.

[n0m@n]

From the spoilers we can see definitely see...

1.) Vali vs Crom
2.) Fenrir vs Gasper
3.) Arthur vs Strada
4.) Kuroka vs Koneko
5.) Zhu Bajie vs Akeno

And looking at the past we can assume it will be....

6.) Bikou vs Rias

And for the remaining members, this is just my hunch but...
A.) Valerie would be supporting everyone but mainly Gasper against Fenrir
B.) Kiba would be fighting Arthur before or after Arthur fights Strada


7.) Le Fay and Gogmagog teaming up (Perhaps Sha Wujing as well) against Lint.

Though for the match for 1 to 7, my bet is....
1.) Draw
2.) Fenrir
3.) Arthur would win against either Kiba or Strada, but gets defeated by the other person
4.) Koneko
5.) Akeno
6.) Bikou (Rias gets defeated once all other matches are settled)
7.) Lint will beat one or two members but gets defeated by the remaining person

[Parry999]

How would Koneko beat kuroka? She can barely use her powers. Then again every member of Vali teams a moron besides Arthur and Le fay.

[n0m@n]

Look at the spoilers. It's about Koneko overcoming the past. Even if she's weaker Ishibumi can easily make stuff up to make Koneko beat Kuroka. Just like how Saji was able to endure that much in DX4....bad memories.

[Parry999]

Yeah but Genshirou always had Durablity way out of his class since day one. Koneko barely been above fodder. That's dragon ball super level gains. If she's near someone so above begining of show rias know after months of more training

[n0m@n]

Not really. The gap between Kuroka and Koneko's strength shouldn't be that insanely large like you are suggesting at all now,

[Parry999]

Unless she's fully mastered her shirona mode stamina problem I can't see how logically they even be comparable.

[Sparda4]

Well it is possible that Koneko is willing to go beyond what Kuroka has done in the past. Going just a little above your limit might be enough to beat another. Or Ishi could go the route of "she had more potencial then me from the start i would never be as strong even if i tried". We'll see once it's translated.

[n0m@n]

And it's been like 4/5 month within DxD when we last saw Koneko using her Shirone mode in detail. You do realise that so many months has passed from end of the previous arc till the current volume?

[Parry999]

And it's been like 4/5 month within DxD when we last saw Koneko using her Shirone mode in detail. You do realise that so many months has passed from end of the previous arc till the current volume? Yeah but that Applys to Saji and everyone. But this isn't going anywhere so all drop it

[n0m@n]

Yeah, so it does make sense that Saji being able to keep up to Ise no matter how insane it seemed. Don't see the reason why you would dismiss that fact for Koneko only.

[Sparda4]

Even tho some aren't used as much their own powers are getting stronger better faster in the background. Why does someone need to get stronger through showcased combat only ? Ok, yeah it's much better to see then just "go with it" but let's not jump the gun because we haven't seen an improvement from somebody in a few volumes.

[Parry999]

^ Ok
Yeah, so it does make sense that Saji being able to keep up to Ise no matter how insane it seemed. Don't see the reason why you would dismiss that fact for Koneko only.
Like I said his Durablity been above his weight class since day one. It's also been proven by his fight with Grendel plus his an evil dragon there hard to put down permanently. I been mentioning his endurance for 4 years I just realized lol.

[n0m@n]

Again we need to see actual combat scene of current Koneko. Though that would apply for Kuroka too.
But again, the biggest factor is PLOT DEVICE. That easily beats pure strength difference in DxD.

[Lucidrago]

Well Saji does have Issei's level of willpower and determination. Just as long as that didn't reduce it to a power match. Because I really don't believe that Issei could just immediately curbstomp Saji in Balance Breaker. What would be the whole point of him gaining Balance Breaker then?

And you should add Kiba vs Sha Wujing because I think that's going to happen. She's acting as Vali's knight for this tournament isn't she? Or is that Zhu Bajie? Because if Arthur's fighting Vasco he isn't fighting Kiba because Arthur would be too wiped out. So I don't believe that Kiba is fighting Arthur in this match. Because of what Arthur said in Volume 12 about him fighting Kiba when Issei fights Vali.

And also Lint and Valerie or perhaps just Lint vs Le Fay and Gogmagog. Because I can see Valerie acting as support for Gasper.

And Ishibumi really doesn't follow up on some things after he introduces them. Like Koneko's Shirone Mode or Issei's True Queen. But Kuroka was already pretty high-level in senjutsu and youjutsu when she was first introduced. So Koneko has a long way to go before she gets to Kuroka's level.

[Parry999]

What even is A CxC and DxD is that divine dividing and boosted gear only who knows.

[CCPDarkraiRules]

I think Lint vs Sha Wujing is more likely than Kiba vs Sha Wujing because Sha Wujing's quote says she is not a kappa so someone said it and I in my opinion feel this in character for Lint to tease her opponent than Kiba. Kiba vs Gogmagog would be there round the match ups. Le Fay I think would either act as support for either Fenrir, Gogmagog, Bikou or Sha Wujing.

[Parry999]

Gasper might finally get his Longinus upgrade.

[syzorst]

From the spoilers we can see definitely see...

1.) Vali vs Crom
2.) Fenrir vs Gasper
3.) Arthur vs Strada
4.) Kuroka vs Koneko
5.) Zhu Bajie vs Akeno

And looking at the past we can assume it will be....

6.) Bikou vs Rias

And for the remaining members, this is just my hunch but...
A.) Valerie would be supporting everyone but mainly Gasper against Fenrir
B.) Kiba would be fighting Arthur before or after Arthur fights Strada


7.) Le Fay and Gogmagog teaming up (Perhaps Sha Wujing as well) against Lint.

Though for the match for 1 to 7, my bet is....
1.) Draw
2.) Fenrir
3.) Arthur would win against either Kiba or Strada, but gets defeated by the other person
4.) Koneko
5.) Akeno
6.) Bikou (Rias gets defeated once all other matches are settled)
7.) Lint will beat one or two members but gets defeated by the remaining person

You say that Vali and Crom could end in a draw but in what way? Would Vali survive long ago not to be retired or will their battle be unfinished?

[DragonOsman]

@Lucidrago: You really love mentioning how Ishibumi doesn't follow up on some of the forms he introduces, and especially mention the True Queen, don't you? There's no way the True Queen won't be completed. Even if it's not done within DxD, it's not like Ise will never complete it in his life, either. It's Ddraig's full power, after all. And it's the same for Koneko's Shirone mode. She has to perfect and master it because that's her form where she's strongest (well, that's different between her and Ise since Ise will still have at least two more forms, and the True Queen and the forms of Great Red and Ophis's powers, individually, will each be Heavenly Dragon-level most likely (aside from the true DxD and the form from Great Red's being above the True Queen due to the power of infinity and whatever the form from Great Red's power would have), but for now the True Queen and DxD are all he has and DxD has a time-limit).

And yeah, even the current DxD G mode isn't actually nerfed in the sense that its power output got lowered. We all read Volume 23 up to where it's been translated so far, so we should know, right? That it's still Heavenly Dragon-level, but just has a time-limit? The only nerf was losing the power of infinity (and the addition of the time-limit). When Ise asked Ddraig's opinion on who will win between him, as he is now, and Crom, Ddraig said that he can take him with his Pseudo DxD but would have to do so within the time-limit. Meaning that DxD G, even now, is still Heavenly Dragon-level but the problem is that it won't last long enough for Ise to beat Crom Cruach if they were to fight right now. Ise needs Ophis and Lilith to resonate as soon as possible, so that the true DxD can come back that much sooner.

Anyway, I do think Koneko can beat Kuroka. She needs to surpass herself from back then and now, and I can think she can do it. Shirone mode does need to perfected for her to be able to win, though.

As for Ise vs. Saji in DX4. I still think the main reasons Saji could last as long as he did were 1. his durability which has been shown to be high since day one as Parry has been saying, and 2. his sister cheering him on when she thought he'd lose (because he really would've lost sooner if she hadn't started cheering for him - Sacred Gears respond to the user's will and emotions, and Saji does have a Sacred Gear - four in one, in fact). Ise only needed transform his arm into DxD G mode to beat him for that reason. It's not like Saji is suddenly on par with Ise now. Ise is still a lot stronger and Saji isn't a Power-type. And this also doesn't mean Ise isn't stronger than the original Maou and on the same tier of Ultimate-class as Grayfia. There were spoilers that said that both Ise and Grayfia are stronger than the original Maou, while still being Maou-class technically. I don't think Saji's at that level yet.

[Lucidrago]

Well it's true. Not that I doubt it but only Ishibumi can say for sure if CxC is completed. Ishibumi focuses on the power-up at the moment, says the person has a long way to go to master it, and then leaves it alone and then goes on to the next power-up.

[vietthai96]

No no, no way True Queen is Draig full power, Draig full power is Heavenly Dragon level and given all Issei fight from the past volumes, i don't see True Queen anywhere near Heavenly Dragon power level. True Queen is only Satan level now or rather Grayfia/Serafall level. If Issei manage to fully mastered the True Queen i think he is at average god-class level in this mode

[Brawlre]

I feel like the only reason saji survived so long is plot armor and Ise suppressing himself as for the average god level we’ve never seen that we’ve only seen weak or strong gods also For true queen it doesn’t really have a limit technically since it’s a transformation it goes off Ise’s base form so if he trained his base up to a “average god level” his true queen form would be off the charts

[Bennia Lover]

Ddraig specifically said True Queen reminds of his power and the form is an alternative to JD. JD V2 but without the lifespan drawback.

[B214]

Doesn't mean CCQ = Heavenly Dragon-class. Not to mention, Ise may have already mastered CCQ after unlocking DxD. It's been months since he unlocked CCQ.

[Sparda4]

He hasn't mastered CCQ yet. Just because he can use it just like balance breaker(instant activation) doesn't mean he has absolute knowlege on how to get the most out of it. And if he did master CCQ then DxD would be stronger tenfold. But i'll say this let's leave that up to the volumes to confirm if CCQ is complete or not.

[DragonOsman]

CxC won't be complete until it reaches Ddraig's full power from his prime (or surpasses it, seeing as when Ise unlocks the power from Great Red's flesh, he should become able to bring out more than Ddraig's full power in True Queen mode). Right now it's only Maou-class, so no way in hell it's complete.

Ddraig said that the power reminds him of his original power, but that doesn't mean it's on the same level as Ddraig in his prime. It'll reach that level when it's completed, but it's not complete yet.

Also, like I said, the true DxD will likely also be Heavenly Dragon level, it's just that it'll be that level plus the power of infinity which makes it much greater than if it were "just" Heavenly Dragon-level. DxD G mode uses the True Queen as a base, so when the True Queen is completed, the true DxD G mode will be the same level as it plus the power of infinity. The form from Great Red's power is also going to be Heavenly Dragon-level plus whatever power(s) Ise will get from Great Red's flesh. In EX, when Future Ise showed up in his huge red dragon form, he seemed to be at Heavenly Dragon-level. And it's likely that that form is from Great Red's flesh. It's AxA, Ise's true power as a being that was revived with both Great Red and Ophis's powers and also has some of both of their powers, that will likely surpass Heavenly Dragon-level. It'll probably be Dragon God-level.

Ise will get the true DxD back when Ophis and Lilith resonate. Ajuka predicted that in Volume 23 Life 3 (according to spoilers), when he made the prediction about the forms ExE and AxA. He also said that when the powers he has from both Great Red and Ophis (the individual forms from each of their powers, is I think what he meant), the burden that's still on his Evil Pieces will be lifted and they'll be able to unleash their full potential. Ajuka said it's frightening how even Mutation Pieces can't fully handle the power of Dragon Deification, but he also said that awakening both Ophis and Great Red's powers should help in that regard.

[B214]

CxC won't be complete until it reaches Ddraig's full power from his prime (or surpasses it, seeing as when Ise unlocks the power from Great Red's flesh, he should become able to bring out more than Ddraig's full power in True Queen mode). Right now it's only Maou-class, so no way in hell it's complete.

Ddraig said that the power reminds him of his original power, but that doesn't mean it's on the same level as Ddraig in his prime. It'll reach that level when it's completed, but it's not complete yet.

Also, like I said, the true DxD will likely also be Heavenly Dragon level, it's just that it'll be that level plus the power of infinity which makes it much greater than if it were "just" Heavenly Dragon-level. DxD G mode uses the True Queen as a base, so when the True Queen is completed, the true DxD G mode will be the same level as it plus the power of infinity. The form from Great Red's power is also going to be Heavenly Dragon-level plus whatever power(s) Ise will get from Great Red's flesh. In EX, when Future Ise showed up in his huge red dragon form, he seemed to be at Heavenly Dragon-level. And it's likely that that form is from Great Red's flesh. It's AxA, Ise's true power as a being that was revived with both Great Red and Ophis's powers and also has some of both of their powers, that will likely surpass Heavenly Dragon-level. It'll probably be Dragon God-level.

Ise will get the true DxD back when Ophis and Lilith resonate. Ajuka predicted that in Volume 23 Life 3 (according to spoilers), when he made the prediction about the forms ExE and AxA. He also said that when the powers he has from both Great Red and Ophis (the individual forms from each of their powers, is I think what he meant), the burden that's still on his Evil Pieces will be lifted and they'll be able to unleash their full potential. Ajuka said it's frightening how even Mutation Pieces can't fully handle the power of Dragon Deification, but he also said that awakening both Ophis and Great Red's powers should help in that regard.

That's nothing but speculations though. Ishibumi hasn't even hinted once that CCQ will reach Heavenly Dragon level. Even EJOD is only said to be able to reach God-class. Heavenly Dragons are above Gods. So i don't see how the argument on CCQ will reach Heavenly Dragon-class is possible like any of you constantly emphasise on.

“I am aware that my Empireo Juggernaut Overdrive can even reach the Gods.”

“That’s true. It will definitely reach them. In terms of power output, you will reach the Gods from each faction. —But that’s it, right~? If you don’t have the stamina to maintain that, then it’s just a waste of your ability. How many minutes can you maintain your so-called Empireo Juggernaut Overdrive? Maybe it will be in terms of seconds?”

[Royalknightftw]

I truly hope that Thanatos will not get the same treatment as Pluto. So yeah, hopefully he will be a recurring cast here

[DragonOsman]

@B214: We've been through this before and I showed quotes from the novels. Read those post again. I'm not going to repeat them. I could point you to the posts I'm talking about, but that's all I'll do here.

[B214]

@B214: We've been through this before and I showed quotes from the novels. Read those post again. I'm not going to repeat them. I could point you to the posts I'm talking about, but that's all I'll do here.

I haven't seen any quotes from the LN that states that CCQ will be Heavenly Dragon-class nor will it allow Ise to reach Ddraig's level in his prime. The closest you've handed is this:

From the depths of my heart, from within my body, it flowed from the Sacred Gear. So this was Ddraig's original power. Combined with the negative emotions of that berserk state known as Juggernaut, it became that dangerous power.

But now was different. Those negative emotions could not be felt right now, and my consciousness was intact!

[ Ah yes. I finally remember. Why did I forget...? Yes, it was God. The original power of Albion and mine that God sealed -- ]

But original power =/= full power. Supposing even if it does have Ddraig's full power, it doesn't even guarantees that Ise will reach that level like each of you are claiming it will be. The user of the power isn't Ddraig, it's Ise. Different user means the strength would differ. If just having the same weapon = same strength then all previous BG user should be of the same level but they're not. Some are stronger than the other. Same thing here, just because it unleashes Ddraig's original power doesn't automatically mean Ise will reach that level of power. Ise isn't Ddraig, how they use their powers isn't the same.

That's like saying if the next person who inherits the BG somehow inherits the CCQ, then they would immediately be at Ddraig's level too once mastered.

[Lucidrago]

And no offense, Osman. Going from Satan-class(because he did defeat Baraqiel with it so he's somewhere near that level in CCQ) to HD-class is a very wide gap. HD-class is Top 10 or very close to it. That's a wide gap to fill. Then what level of power is DxD going to be? And what level of power is ExE going to be? Or AxA?

[Sparda4]

Let's continue this discussion guys when we got some confirmation in a volume or two. ok ?

I wonder if Vali has tamed EJOD's power drain that's something he needs to do before fighting Crom.

[Bennia Lover]

Someone on the reddit posted a summary of the event yesterday [they are Japanese] and this is what Ishi said about this volume: "This time a story about a small cat and a black song, the secret of the birth of the two will be revealed."

So the nekomata's births apparently have something to do with a big secret that even Thanatos does not want to let Hades know about. Just a theory here, probably am going to be dead wrong but here it is. Now we know for a fact their mother was a nekoshou like them but their father we don't know if he is the same. What if Thanatos is the son of Hades and what if he's the father of them? How much of a huge plot twist would that be. We know Hades despises other species and wouldn't let any children of his even so much as breed with any other species other than a grim reaper. So Thanatos in this theory, son of Hades goes against this and has children with the nekomata sisters mother and has now decided to take action out of paranoia Hades would somehow find out which would mean death for him. I mean after all, how else would their birth be so worthy of a secret imo. What if he just wants to protect them as a father. His action of wanting to force them to come with him would be a throwback to how Kuroka tried to do that with Koneko. I mean they have never met this man and he comes claiming they are so important to him that he has to take secretive action without Hades knowing. Just a fun little theory.

[Parry999]

Hmm in the actual myth Thanatos is Nyx son though. The goddess of night who even zeus fears. So, being her grand kids would be even bigger. God's are just Gaia grand kids after all.

[Bennia Lover]

Nyx is a woman though. His father in myth is Erebus but DxD is it's own myth and so that won't necessarily be true for DxD.

[Parry999]

Who ironically has similarities with lilith. But yes Ishibumi can do what he wants to public domain stories. Crack theory lilith know as the mother have devils right? What if Nyx the mother of grim reapers and morrigan the mother of witches.

[Bennia Lover]

Well if that'd be true and my theory be true, Nyx is Hades's wife and the mother of Thanatos like she is in the myth. Morrigan I can totally see being the mother of witches and what if she is a fairy like her surname would imply "Le Fay" = "The Fairy".

V24 cover which was shown at the event. First cover I believe with officially no logo. I cropped it in paint from the video that recorded the DxD event.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/324599622632734720/371753774391230474/V24_Cover.jpg

[Parry999]

Right no pantsu In a kimono.

[Heracrim]

Is it just me or Kuroka seems to not wear panties in that cover?

[Bennia Lover]

She isn't.

[Parry999]

Is it just me or Kuroka seems to not wear panties in that cover?

You usually don't in a kimono.

[Bennia Lover]

Given Kuroka's nature, I'd bet in general she never wears panties unless Koneko forced her to :heh:

[Parry999]

Yeah she tries to act like an air headed slut.

[DragonOsman]

@Lucidrago: DxD uses the True Queen as a base, so it can just be the power output level of the True Queen plus the power of infinity. Same for ExE or whatever form Great Red's power will give him, except that it'd whatever he got from Great Red as the thing that makes it greater than Heavenly Dragon-level. And as for AxA - like I've been saying, it's likely that it'll Dragon God-level. If DxD or ExE are Dragon God level than AxA would have to be way beyond that, which I can't see happening. So AxA has to be at that level.

I'm not sure if I should this, but here's a quote from Hakaishin (a PM from him):

The awakening of Triaina in Kyoto. The awakening of True-Queen during the Bael match. Thanks to that, the original power of Heavenly-Dragon was released and it seems like the limit of my Sacred Gear increased several fold. What’s left now is for me to train and reach even greater heights. Even if the limit of the Sacred Gear increased, since the possessor, which is me, is really weak, then I have to get there step by step
He'll reach Ddraig's true level with CCQ dude, don't worry about that. But most likely not within the story if it really ends while he's still in highschool.
Will Xenovia eventually master the full power of Durandal? Will Kiba master Gram in the future? Obviously they would, CCQ Ise's case should be just as obvious.

And there's also this during Ddraig and Euclid's conversation in Volume 17:

“Sekiryuutei Ddraig, how about it? —Won’t you come to this jewel?”
Ddraig replies to him so everyone can hear.
[Are you telling me to change sides?]
“Yes. I can use you better than all of the past Sekiryuuteis. I can bring out your power more than Hyoudou Issei who is over there. I can become the personification of the Heavenly Dragon Ddraig without using a fake power called the crimson armour. —Even the Juggernaut Drive.”
[I see…… If it’s you, you probably can bring out more than my full power.]
“Exactly. I am stronger than Hyoudou Issei after all.”
[……Yeah, my current partner is the weakest among the history. Not only can’t he use his power properly yet, he also has the bad habit of putting his attention to useless things. I’m full of pain since he’s so obsessed about breasts.]

Euclid could've brought out more than Ddraig's full power because his base was stronger than Ise's already, at that time. Ise's base isn't strong enough to do that, though. Yet. But once the power he got from Great Red's flesh awakens, that should change because that would make his base strong enough for him to be able to bring out more than Ddraig's full power. In fact, due to his base being strengthened by Great Red's flesh, he'll be able to bring out more than Euclid could've. And then DxD and ExE will be that powerful plus whatever they'd have that makes them greater than Heavenly Dragon-level.

The novels said that Vali's Emperio Juggernaut Overdrive would surpass Juggernaut Drive, and that Ise's True Queen would rival it. In Volume 7, it was said that if Ise and Vali used Juggernaut Drive, they'd be able to defeat Fenrir at the cost going berserk and dying afterwards. And Fenrir was said to be at the same level as Ddraig and Albion in their primes before he was nerfed. Thus, if the completed True Queen rivals Juggernaut Drive, it means it'll be Heavenly Dragon-level.

The magic chain Gleipnir was needed to subdue Fenrir, but that doesn't necessarily mean Vali in Juggernaut Drive wasn't Heavenly Dragon-level. I think he was. The problem is that beating Fenrir without Gleipnir would've been impossible either way. They needed Gleipnir to hold it in place. Its power wasn't lowered any.

Edit: 6 posts late.
Yeah, I guess they don't wear underwear in a kimono. But Kuroka doing it is hotter than if anyone else were to do it.

[Bennia Lover]

I sense a double nekomata ecchi illustration coming.

[DragonOsman]

More so than the cover, hopefully. But yeah.

[Tbolt]

This cover is not the first time we have seen her without panties on under her kimono.

[Heracrim]

You usually don't in a kimono.

Alright guess I learnt something new everyday.

[Sparda4]

Alright guess I learnt something new everyday.

Agreed(It's kinda a good think to learn too :D )

Anyways let me put my guess in for Rias' new fighting style. She summons two spheres of PoD and has them float around her and they to a sort of machine gun fire of PoD while her hands are free to do whatever.

[DragonOsman]

Girls usually don't wear panties in a kimono. I'm not sure about guys.

@Sparda4: Sounds good, but let's see what Ishibumi has planned for it.

[n0m@n]

Shit, you guys are turning into Fafnirs since you are talking about panties...

[Parry999]

Shoot know I'm hungry where's that pantsu vender.

[Lucidrago]

Someone on the reddit posted a summary of the event yesterday [they are Japanese] and this is what Ishi said about this volume: "This time a story about a small cat and a black song, the secret of the birth of the two will be revealed."

So the nekomata's births apparently have something to do with a big secret that even Thanatos does not want to let Hades know about. Just a theory here, probably am going to be dead wrong but here it is. Now we know for a fact their mother was a nekoshou like them but their father we don't know if he is the same. What if Thanatos is the son of Hades and what if he's the father of them? How much of a huge plot twist would that be. We know Hades despises other species and wouldn't let any children of his even so much as breed with any other species other than a grim reaper. So Thanatos in this theory, son of Hades goes against this and has children with the nekomata sisters mother and has now decided to take action out of paranoia Hades would somehow find out which would mean death for him. I mean after all, how else would their birth be so worthy of a secret imo. What if he just wants to protect them as a father. His action of wanting to force them to come with him would be a throwback to how Kuroka tried to do that with Koneko. I mean they have never met this man and he comes claiming they are so important to him that he has to take secretive action without Hades knowing. Just a fun little theory.

I believe you on Thanatos possibly being Koneko's and Kuroka's father. But saying he's Hades' son is something out of left field which I don't even see Ishibumi doing. Let's say that if Thanatos is the leader and commander of the Grim Reapers and he's basically Hades' right-hand man, how would it look if he had two daughters that were devils? There's some relation to Thanatos in a way. Why would the leader of the Grim Reapers himself come out? I understand an Ultimate-class Grim Reaper like Orcus, Bennia's father. But Thanatos himself? Something's up. I look forward to finding out what it is. He could be Koneko's and Kuroka's father and wants to shield them from Hades' wrath by putting them under his custody. Or maybe something else. As we've seen with all of the volumes when it involves one of the girls when something goes down it's related to the particular girl who's the focus of the volume.

[Parry999]

So, You think Thany above ultimate grim reapers? That might make him the first mid class god in the series.

[Lucidrago]

I'm still banking on him being the god of death. He's basically THE Grim Reaper. And the Grim Reapers as a species are just knockoffs of Thanatos. He might be even with Issei in his nerfed DxD form. That's just my speculation. I truly never expected Thanatos to appear in the series. I had my hopes but I didn't expect them to come true. I originally expected him to compete in the tournament with his own team acting as the king with Orcus and other high-level Grim Reapers on his team. Far-fetched, yes. But I really didn't expect that he would be in this last arc so I'm ecstatic.

[Parry999]

I'm still banking on him being the god of death. He's basically THE Grim Reaper. And the Grim Reapers as a species are just knockoffs of Thanatos. He might be even with Issei in his nerfed DxD form. That's just my speculation. I truly never expected Thanatos to appear in the series. I had my hopes but I didn't expect them to come true. I originally expected him to compete in the tournament with his own team acting as the king with Orcus and other high-level Grim Reapers on his team. Far-fetched, yes. But I really didn't expect that he would be in this last arc so I'm ecstatic. The reapers like the valkrie are demi gods in dxd anyway. With pluto being low tier god: who was worth shipped as one in the past. Pluto was also stronger then balance breaker Azazel or equal.

[Lucidrago]

Well Azazel is only about Satan-class I believe. And it's likely that Ultimate-class Grim Reapers are on par with the leaders of the Three Factions.

Thanatos might be a god. I don't know. But it's possible. He could possibly be stronger than Issei in his nerfed DxD. So we might be seeing a new power-up from Issei if he fights Thanatos because Thanatos could potentially be too strong for Issei to handle in his nerfed DxD form. And basically he summons Rias to get a new power-up. Because we're long overdue for a power-up using Rias' breasts. And he achieves the form he needs to defeat Thanatos. And in the end, it turns out that Thanatos had good intentions all along. He has a strong distaste towards devils like Hades, but he did his best to bring his daughters under his protection as to not have them caught up in Hades' wrath. And Issei promises to protect them. Because Thanatos has a twinge of regret of not being there for them. And he probably only just recently learned about them being his daughters.

Or we could just be overthinking this like the Ddraig/Tiamat situation.

[Parry999]

Well Azazel is only about Satan-class I believe. And it's likely that Ultimate-class Grim Reapers are on par with the leaders of the Three Factions.

Thanatos might be a god. I don't know. But it's possible. He could possibly be stronger than Issei in his nerfed DxD. Each rank of Shinigami where called stronger then devils and Balance Breaker Azazel is above normal satan class. He only lost an arm to leviathan because of her suicide spell.

[Lucidrago]

Should Azazel have been struggling against Katarea who wasn't even Satan-class without Ophis' snake? What if Michael could have immediately destroyed her? What if Azazel isn't as strong as the Four Great Satans or Four Great Seraphs? It's quite possible.

And like I said Thanatos is most likely stronger than all of the Grim Reapers. We don't know if he's a Grim Reaper(species) or a god. So we really can't say.

[Parry999]

Yeah but Katarea was satan class with the snake and he didn't struggle much at all. Azazel was still being praised without the armor. You think A none satan class would survive the war and not get assassinated or survive fightning 666? Right that's basically what I was saying if his stronger then pluto his cleary mid rank god or above. Dude we have never seen any of the seraphim fight ever or have much to go on by saying of there strenght it's frustrating.

[Bennia Lover]

@Lucid Glad you like my theory. So if I am right then the nekosisters would be former demi-gods aka nekoshou/grim reaper or god hybrids, making them actually have hidden powers.

[B214]

Maybe the secret is with their father. Like their father actually having some special power from the Greek myth which may have been pass down to the sisters.

[Bennia Lover]

Maybe so. Anyway I do have something to back up my theory quite a bit. Female Nekomata generally mate with the males of different races mainly with human males, as the males among their species are rare.

[B214]

That's slightly wrong, i just edited the article after checking V7. Female nekomata mate with other species due to old teachings. I'm more surprise on how they mate with other species but doesn't seem to gain additional power from the male. The female nekomate genes must be powerful.

[Bennia Lover]

Oh right but still.

[DragonOsman]

@Lucidrago: You need to realize that even Pseudo DxD G's power wasn't really lowered. It just lost the power of infinity and got a time limit. What did Ddraig say in Volume 23 when Ise asked him if he thinks he can beat Crom Cruach as he is now? Want me to bring you a quote? Here:
“Ddraig, answer me honestly. —Can I fight that guy as I currently am?”
In response to my question, Ddraig answered
[Of course, you’ll be able to fight with him as long as you undergo Dragon Deification. It’ll definitely be a good fight. —But.]
…I knew what was next even without it having to be said.
“If there was a time limit, then it’s out of the question, huh. …Seriously, Rias has actually taken in such an unexpected team member.”

See?

So even the so-called "nerfed" DxD G mode is still Heavenly Dragon-level. Ise just can't hold it for longer than the allotted time limit because his base isn't strong enough yet, probably. I think that by the time Ophis and Lilith decide to resonate to give him back the true Dragon Deification, he'll already have made his base strong enough to handle Heavenly Dragon-level power for longer. And how powerful the True Queen is also depends on how good his base is. Ddraig and Euclid's conversation from Volume 17 that I quoted earlier also proves that. Indirectly. And the true DxD G mode will be as powerful as the True Queen plus the power of infinity. No matter how powerful the True Queen gets with Ise's strengthened base after awakening Great Red's power (plus the training he's doing which he'll still keep up), DxD G mode will be just that powerful plus the power of infinity because it uses the True Queen as a base. Ddraig did say to Rizevim in Volume 20 that, in DxD G mode, the power of the Sekiryuutei's ability is infinite. The true DxD G mode is the True Queen enhanced by Ophis's power. And as we learned when Trihexa was attracted by Ise's power in Volume 21, the ∞ Blaster embodies the powers of Great Red and Ophis which is what attracted Trihexa and made it send its core consciousness to fight Ise. This also means that DxD G mode also has Great Red's power, which lets him handle Ophis's power for a while at least. But like Ajuka said according to Volume 23 spoilers, Great Red's power inside Ise still hasn't awakened yet. It'll awaken in the tournament, though, if my guess of what Ajuka meant is correct.

Anyway, I also think Thanatos could be the Nekomata sisters' father. Let's wait and see on that, though. But if it's really the case, it could really be what he wants to hide from Hades so badly. And yeah, it does seem like nekomata children don't inherit the father's powers.

[vietthai96]

I still don't see True Queen can reach to Heavenly Dragon level, if True Queen is that powerful, DxD mode will threaten someone at the caliber of Indra if not equal or even Shiva and Issei will not have much problem in dealing with Rizevim and the other Evil Dragon(except Apophis, Azi Dahaka and Crom), well our hero still doesn't "get used" to it let alone mastered
LN state that if Issei and Vali go JD they can defeat Fenrir, but this is "can" not "will". Beside it state that if two of them goes JD that mean both of them goes JD and gang up Fenrir

Well neft DxD mode is still weaker than suppose "normal" DxD mode, Ophis remove some of her power from the form so it don't pressure Issei too much, time limit is because Issei still do not have enough endurance to subtain the form for too long.

Beside if True Queen is as strong as DxD G so what the point of ugrading to DxD G, just to unlock Longinus Smasher, that is very bullshit(sorry). Great Red power still dormant and he doesn't teach Issei to use it like Ophis so...........
666 sense the power of both Ophis and Great Red lying inside his body, not his Infinite Blaster =.=!, if he still not unlocking Great Red power how the hell is his Infinite Blaster have Great Red power in it =.=

[DragonOsman]

Again, how powerful the True Queen gets will depend on how good Ise's base gets from now on. And remember that the power he got from Great Red is still asleep inside him, for the most part. Ddraig said in Volume 17 that if it were Euclid, he'd be able to bring out more than his full power. And Euclid said it's because he's stronger than Ise. Meaning his base is base is better than Ise's. But Ise is also constantly training, so even without Great Red's flesh, if he trained long and hard enough, his base, too, will get to a level where he could do that as well. Awakening the power he got from Great Red will act as a shortcut for that, of sorts. Do you really think that awakening Great Red's power won't make his base strong enough for him to be able to bring out Ddraig's full power or more? I don't care if you think the True Queen will be too powerful or that DxD, ExE and AxA will be too powerful. Ise is the main character in a battle Shounen so it's all par for the course. I'm asking if you really think it's not possible now that he has Great Red and Ophis's powers as well.

Edit: I already showed the quote from Volume 17 where Ddraig and Euclid talked and Ddraig said that Euclid will be able to bring out more than his full power. That also indirectly says that Ise can also do it if his base is strong enough, which I think it certainly will be after the power he got from Great Red awakens. But there's also a quote from Azazel in Volume 7 Life 2:
“They say that the families and people close to the past possessors have become unfortunate due to the curse. That’s why if you eliminate the curse……the negative feelings, then instead of the [Juggernaut-Drive], I made the logic that you might be able to attain a power that rivals [Juggernaut-Drive] without trimming your life. For that, you have to go deep into the consciousness of the Sacred Gear and release the thoughts of past Sekiryuutei’s from their negative feelings.”

Back then, although Ise was already training, it would've taken longer than it would now with Great Red's power for him to be able to bring out Ddraig's full power or more. So what Azazel said here was true for how things were back then. The way it is now, Ise can also have the True Queen surpass Juggernaut Drive and still make it more powerful still because he has Great Red and Ophis's power.

[B214]

It also points out that different user will have different level of strength. Ise mastering CCQ doesn't guarantee that he'll be at Ddraig's level. Even if CCQ has Ddraig's power the person using it isn't Ddraig, it's Ise. You can't simply assume that having one's power = reaching the person's level. Besides CCQ is Ise's method to utilise Ddraig's power better. It isn't like Ise becomes Ddraig with CCQ.

[DragonOsman]

I'm not saying he'll become Ddraig. But you have to realize that it does depend on how strong/good Ise's base is. If Ise's base becomes strong enough, he should be able to bring out Ddraig's full power. And also, the glimpse we saw of the form where he looks like Great Red in EX made it seem like it's Heavenly Dragon-level, right? If that form and DxD G mode are True Queen's power plus whatever they have that makes them above "just" Heavenly Dragon-level, that means the completed True Queen is going to reach Heavenly Dragon-level. And I think it's safe to assume that the completed form from Great Red's power and the true DxD G will be the power output of the completed True Queen plus Great Red and Ophis's powers because they use the Sekiryuutei's power as a base and enhance it. We already saw that with DxD G mode in Volume 20, and Ddraig even said that, in that form, the power of the Sekiyuutei's ability is infinite. So DxD G mode uses Ophis's power to enhance Ddraig's, which is why I think it's just as powerful as the completed True Queen plus the power of infinity. And as we saw, DxD G mode is Heavenly Dragon-level. Ise can't handle it for very long yet, though, because his base currently isn't strong enough for that. The current, Pseudo DxD is also Heavenly Dragon-level, it just doesn't have the power of infinity. Ddraig also said that he can fight Crom Cruach if he uses that form. The problem is the time-limit.

Again, I'm not saying that Ise will become Ddraig in the completed True Queen. And it's also not like Euclid would've either. The point of that conversation in Volume 17 was that Ise, as the weakest Sekiryuutei in history couldn't bring out Ddraig's full power but that Euclid whose base is already strong enough would definitely have been able to bring out more than that. Ise's base just has to strong enough for him to be able to do it, too. And right now, his base is only strong enough for the True Queen to be Maou-class. It's all about how strong of a base the wielder has.

Edit: I'll do this again and this time I'll bold-face the important parts:

Here again is the quote that Hakaishin had given: The awakening of Triaina in Kyoto. The awakening of True-Queen during the Bael match. Thanks to that, the original power of Heavenly-Dragon was released and it seems like the limit of my Sacred Gear increased several fold. What’s left now is for me to train and reach even greater heights. Even if the limit of the Sacred Gear increased, since the possessor, which is me, is really weak, then I have to get there step by step

Doesn't this tell you that it does depend on how strong Ise is? He even said he can get there step by step through training.

And here again is from Ddraig and Euclid's conversation in Volume 17:

“Sekiryuutei Ddraig, how about it? —Won’t you come to this jewel?”
Ddraig replies to him so everyone can hear.
[Are you telling me to change sides?]
“Yes. I can use you better than all of the past Sekiryuuteis. I can bring out your power more than Hyoudou Issei who is over there. I can become the personification of the Heavenly Dragon Ddraig without using a fake power called the crimson armour. —Even the Juggernaut Drive.”
[I see…… If it’s you, you probably can bring out more than my full power.]
“Exactly. I am stronger than Hyoudou Issei after all.”
[……Yeah, my current partner is the weakest among the history. Not only can’t he use his power properly yet, he also has the bad habit of putting his attention to useless things. I’m full of pain since he’s so obsessed about breasts.]

Why would Euclid say he's stronger than Ise and that that's why he can bring out more than Ddraig's full power, and why would Ddraig say he's the weakest in history and can't even use his power properly yet (emphasis on yet here, IMO), if there was no possibility of Ise eventually becoming strong enough, whether through training or by awakening the power from Great Red and Ophis, to be able to bring out Ddraig's full power or more, too?

In Volume 7, Azazel also said that Ise can achieve a power that rivals Juggernaut Drive without trimming his life. If Ise's base were strong enough, his Juggernaut Drive would also have been Heavenly Dragon-level. It's only because his base wasn't strong enough that it wasn't at that level. And even now, it's only strong enough that the True Queen is Maou-class. And if you recall, the First Gen. Sun Wukong said that because the Sekiryuutei and Hakuryuukou are already concentrations of power, Ise can strengthen himself to any degree even without having to use Juggernaut Drive.

"Then don't make her cry. You are the type who will become strong for dreams and girls. Also, the Sekiryuutei and the Hakuryuukou are already concentrations of power. Even if you don't rely on Juggernaut you can strengthen to any degree -- however, you are still in danger."

[Lucidrago]

Yeah but Katarea was satan class with the snake and he didn't struggle much at all. Azazel was still being praised without the armor. You think A none satan class would survive the war and not get assassinated or survive fightning 666? Right that's basically what I was saying if his stronger then pluto his cleary mid rank god or above. Dude we have never seen any of the seraphim fight ever or have much to go on by saying of there strenght it's frustrating.

Assuming Pluto's level of power. We don't truly know how strong he was. Was he Satan-class? Or was he a bit higher? Because I find it very skeptical that he could defeat Serafall or Michael. And before she drank Ophis' snake, Azazel couldn't defeat her. And not to mention that Azazel with his armor couldn't even defeat Cao Cao.

[Royalknightftw]

Assuming Pluto's level of power. We don't truly know how strong he was. Was he Satan-class? Or was he a bit higher? Because I find it very skeptical that he could defeat Serafall or Michael. And before she drank Ophis' snake, Azazel couldn't defeat her. And not to mention that Azazel with his armor couldn't even defeat Cao Cao.

Well, it's hard to assume Pluto's power since he got "one hit one kill" by Vali. Cao Cao managed to defeat Azazel because of his cheap trick using Medusa's eye. Cao cao even said that it would be close to impossible for him to defeat azazel twice.

[Parry999]

^He was stronger then Katarea who with Ophis snake was as strong as her mother or grandmother. Vali went to overdrive right away to.
Assuming Pluto's level of power. We don't truly know how strong he was. Was he Satan-class? Or was he a bit higher? Because I find it very skeptical that he could defeat Serafall or Michael. And before she drank Ophis' snake, Azazel couldn't defeat her. And not to mention that Azazel with his armor couldn't even defeat Cao Cao.

I never said he could defeat serafall she's above average maou class to by being Grayfia rival you know? Michael is litterally featless and has had no one really say how strong he is.

[Lucidrago]

Remember in Volume 9 when Azazel was fighting Cao Cao? That's what I was talking about. It was offscreen but when they came back it looked like Cao Cao was proving an equal match to Azazel.

[DragonOsman]

The only thing we have on Michael is him firing a huge light arrow on Rizevim which got deflected. And please do please keep in mind Michael doesn't have a Sacred Gear which means that Rizevim blocked/deflected that arrow using just his defenses and power. No Sacred Gear Canceler involved. It showed how powerful Rizevim was, for being able to tank Michael's arrow.

And yeah, aside from requiring Vali to use his Emperio Juggernaut Overdrive, we don't have much of an idea on how strong Pluto actually was. So we can't say anything on that. Sadly.

Anyway, all of the current Maou plus Grayfia were said to be stronger than the original Maou. The same has been confirmed about Ise with his current True Queen mode. Azazel and Barakiel should both be average or slightly above average Maou-class. I'll have to reread the Katerea vs. Azazel fight again to see how well Azazel did, though.

@Lucidago: After the fight you're referring to between Cao Cao and Azazel, the former told Ise that there's no way he'd be able to do that well against Azazel a second time. The reason that he gave was that Azazel is a scientist-type and is better at analyzing his opponents than he is.

[Lucidrago]

Well I can't wait for the Volume 24. This is the most anticipated volume for me. Developments regarding Thanatos and why he wants the Nekomata sisters. And what he can't let Hades know about? Rias' and Vali's Rating Game and how that's going to unfold. Tobio and his team assisting Issei and his team. A hardcore battle against Grim Reapers with Issei most likely fighting against Thanatos and Tobio fighting against one of the Ultimate-class Grim Reapers like Orcus most likely.

Anyone else have any speculations concerning Thanatos wanting the Nekomata sisters? I'm still betting on Thanatos being their father and that if Hades finds out then he'll do something.

[Crimson406]

My theory is that Thanatos was order by Hades to dispose the parents and nekomata sisters, due to them being part of the Nekoshou clan and deeming them as a threat if they joined the Devils. Thanatos took pity on the children and decided to spare them, keeping this a secret from Hades.

[Parry999]

My old theory was baset was there mother, so they be Ra grand kids. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastet

[Lucidrago]

Their mother is a Nekoshou, a cat youkai. So their mother being Bastet is out of the question because she's a cat goddess. And plus they're Japanese.

[Parry999]

Their mother is a Nekoshou, a cat youkai. So their mother being Bastet is out of the question because she's a cat goddess. And plus they're Japanese.

Sun wukong A yokai in dxd well formerly. They think there nekoshou. Kuroka might just be guessing she's kind of dumb.

[B214]

@Parry, I'm assuming you haven't read DX.2

“It’s been awhile, boss. Thanks to you, I have finally got back in touch with my younger sister. Shirone, give your greetings to him.”

Kuroka was serious unlike her normal self.

Seeing her sister like that, Koneko kneeled down and gave deep bow.

“How do you do. I’m Toujou Koneko… before I have used the name, Shirone.”

When Koneko gave her greetings, Nurarihyon had a smile on his face.

“Hmm, the younger sister is just like the mother cat. Besides that, you two don’t have to be so formal. This is not my house. Now, both of you stand up.”

“Ah, I’m sorry for not introducing myself earlier. I am the leader of the youkais of the east based around the Kanto region. I am also an acquaintance of Shirone and Kuroka’s mother.”

Kuroka's mother is an East Japanese Youkai. You're currently pushing 2 myths together when they're not.

Besides Sun Wukong is a Chinese Youkai who became a Buddha not God.

[Parry999]

@Parry, I'm assuming you haven't read DX.2




Kuroka's mother is an East Japanese Youkai. You're currently pushing 2 myths together when they're not.

Besides Sun Wukong is a Chinese Youkai who became a Buddha not God. Whose genious idea to hide word building like this behide side stories? Also thanks I haven't kept up with the side stories since he removed them from main volumes. The Wiki treats buddha like a species B I know his not a god. Ugh knowo my eyes are dry from skimming them

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, definitely read the DX Volumes. They're also important. They're side-story Volumes, yes, but some of them have important information that it seems like Ishibumi wanted to reveal but wasn't able to do so in he main story Volumes.

[Lucidrago]

Rias vs Bikou
Akeno vs Zhu Bajie
Koneko vs Kuroka
Arthur vs Vasco Strada
Lint Selzan vs Sha Wujing?(most likely. Fire against water)
Kiba vs Gogmagog?(and Le Fay probably)
Gasper(and Valerie probably) vs Fenrir(and Le Fay probably)
Vali vs Crom Cruach

[KnightShade]

Someone on the reddit posted a summary of the event yesterday [they are Japanese] and this is what Ishi said about this volume: "This time a story about a small cat and a black song, the secret of the birth of the two will be revealed."

So the nekomata's births apparently have something to do with a big secret that even Thanatos does not want to let Hades know about. Just a theory here, probably am going to be dead wrong but here it is. Now we know for a fact their mother was a nekoshou like them but their father we don't know if he is the same. What if Thanatos is the son of Hades and what if he's the father of them? How much of a huge plot twist would that be. We know Hades despises other species and wouldn't let any children of his even so much as breed with any other species other than a grim reaper. So Thanatos in this theory, son of Hades goes against this and has children with the nekomata sisters mother and has now decided to take action out of paranoia Hades would somehow find out which would mean death for him. I mean after all, how else would their birth be so worthy of a secret imo. What if he just wants to protect them as a father. His action of wanting to force them to come with him would be a throwback to how Kuroka tried to do that with Koneko. I mean they have never met this man and he comes claiming they are so important to him that he has to take secretive action without Hades knowing. Just a fun little theory.

my money is on most of this +1

Also can't see koneko outright beating kuroka without plot help, and even then i can only see a stalemate. offscreen power buffs tend to suck, and the idea that kuroka wouldn't grow as much despite spending far more time in the trenches as a member of vali team and being a trained ninja via metatron (read the ss) just doesn't fly with me. some of yall are sleeping on my girl kuro-nee sama. On experience alone, kuroka dwarfs koneko. Nevermind Kuroka being her teacher/superior in the very powers she's had a mastery of.

PS bout time best cat got on the cover

[Parry999]

my money is on most of this +1

Also can't see koneko outright beating kuroka without plot help, and even then i can only see a stalemate. offscreen power buffs tend to suck, and the idea that kuroka wouldn't grow as much despite spending far more time in the trenches as a member of vali team and being a trained ninja via metatron (read the ss) just doesn't fly with me. some of yall are sleeping on my girl kuro-nee sama. On experience alone, kuroka dwarfs koneko. Nevermind Kuroka being her teacher/superior in the very powers she's had a mastery of.

PS bout time best cat got on the cover This times 10.

[B214]

I wonder how people would react if we end up getting Asia or Ravel in the cover instead. XD

[aw454wtr]

One plot armor koneko could have is since she does senjutsu treatment on Issei she might have absorbed dragon Ki that gives her a buff

[KnightShade]

One plot armor koneko could have is since she does senjutsu treatment on Issei she might have absorbed dragon Ki that gives her a buff

Koneko getting a buff would only make this a more even fight, And even then a draw is best case scenario. You seem to forget that kuroka has prep time walking into this one, against the very pupil she trained who happenes to know little about kurokas peak prowess.

Besides the buff you propose would only make koneko stronger in some way but it cant give her the mastery of her powers that kuroka already has, and we dont know what an all out kuroka entails if konekos current nekomata powers arent master class. It was mentioned in one of the dx volumes that they both trained under a master nekomata so that rules out any chance of koneko getting an edge on that front.

[aw454wtr]

Or koneko could throw a Issei x Vali doujin at her

[B214]

Probably wouldn't work. :heh:

But if it really works, Ise can really add BL Dragon into his list of names.

[Bennia Lover]

Nah Koneko just needs to say she is keeping a secret for Issei in regards to Kuroka and that fake secret being he wants lots of babies with her lol

[DragonOsman]

@B214: Didn't we already see the cover? That pic with Koneko and Kuroka on it which sparked the discussion about how girls usually don't wear panties under their kimono?

@Bennia Lover: That could actually work. :heh:

[Lucidrago]

I don't know why. But to me that didn't seem like a cover, And it seems weird it would be revealed so early. It seems more like a back cover than a front cover.

[DragonOsman]

You're probably right, now that you mention it.

[Parry999]

Be funny if Diehauser showed up and one shoted thantos for interrupting the games.

[DragonOsman]

The one that needs to be one-shotted for a reason like that is Hades. He's the one who's planning to interrupt the tournament with one of his plots.

[Parry999]

Is that confirmed other then him preparing for something big?

[Royalknightftw]

Is that confirmed other then him preparing for something big?

Thanatos wants to kidnap both Kuroka and Koneko while Hades wants to punish the devils for what Rizevim did.

I am wondering if the issue of what will happen to the reincarnated devils who lose their masters will be brought in this volume.

[Lucidrago]

Well nothing. They committed no crimes. For example, some of Cleria's servants were killed along with her. And some of them were generously paid off to go to very remote portions of the Underworld.

[Royalknightftw]

Well nothing. They committed no crimes. For example, some of Cleria's servants were killed along with her. And some of them were generously paid off to go to very remote portions of the Underworld.

Well, there are still questions like is it possible to trade reincarnated devils who lose their masters? will the death of their masters have some effects to their pieces?. It would be nice if Ishibumi could address these issues in this volume

[Bennia Lover]

Pretty sure that is the V24 cover. If Ishi revealed the slashdog cover then that was surely the V24 cover he revealed and no author reveals a back cover.

[B214]

Assuming if Miyama already finish up the cover, not the illustrations.

[Lucidrago]

I'm still banking on Thanatos being Koneko's and Kuroka's father. I feel that there's a 25% chance of that being the case. I want it to be true. But I might just be overthinking it like people were overthinking why Tiamat hated Ddraig.

But it does make you wonder what Thanatos doesn't want Hades to find out about. And from Bennia's quote(not you Bennia) from the translated quotes for Volume 24, I'm guessing Orcus is with Thanatos. Who knows? Bennia most likely is going to show up. And then Saji comes along for the ride.

[DragonOsman]

@Royalknightftw: I was busy with other things so I couldn't say this earlier, but yeah, I agree with what you said you want to find out about.

@Lucidrago: Yeah, you could just be overthinking it. But it still seems like it could be true, so let's wait and see.

Also, yeah, I think Bennia Lover is right about no author revealing the back part of the cover. At least not this soon (if they do reveal it). [Besides, the back cover illustration is only always a smaller version of the front cover with other stuff on it like a summary or credits or both, as well as the ISBN number and such.]

[Lucidrago]

Don't know why. It doesn't look like a front cover to me. That doesn't seem like the style Miyama uses for the front cover. And if it was the front cover, Ishibumi would have stated it by now. That's just my opinion. Doesn't look like the typical front cover.

[DragonOsman]

Doesn't look like it to me, either, to be honest. 1. It's kind of revealing, and 2. there's nothing that makes it look like a cover (title, logo).

[Lucidrago]

Yeah with Slash Dog they had the title. For this one it doesn't. It's more probable that it's a back cover. Like with Diehauser in Volume 20.

[KnightShade]

Diehauser didnt have a white background.

You guys are overthinking this; this pic was released the same time as the slashdog cover, both of which come out the same day. Common sense would say its a cover smh

[reinastar]

I hope both cat siblings to be kidnapped and brainwash that will be so much Onii-Sama and Onee-Sama~

[DragonOsman]

^I'll pretend I didn't read that.

@kidstandout: Well, yeah, but the lack of a title and logo is weird, isn't it?

[B214]

It's best to ignore her. Her comments serve as nothing but disruption to any ongoing discussion.

[KnightShade]

^noted

@osman i guess, but you wouldnt show this pic at an event (according to bennia lover)if it wasnt the cover. Besides, the white backdrop is the same as previous covers.

[B214]

But if it is the cover Ishibumi usually would have posted it in his twitter or blog by now. Well either way we would get our answer soon the cover should be out by next week.

[Bennia Lover]

Ishi reveals the cover the week before the volume comes out.

[Lucidrago]

Still I think we're owed a new illustration of one character. In Volume 23, we got Rudiger and Gabriel. And they had barely appeared compared to Crom Cruach. So Crom Cruach should get an illustration. He deserves it.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, I agree with that. But like I've been saying, we also need a DxD G illustration and a True Queen illustration. Of the Triaina forms, too, I only remember seeing one for Welsh Dragon Blaster Bishop (if that's the name of the Triaina Bishop).

[Bennia Lover]

@Dragon You mean DxD L because we got one of DxD G in Volume 22 and yes Welsh Dragon Blaster Bishop is the name.

[Lucidrago]

We've had illustrations of the True Queen in Volume 23. And wasn't that DxD G in Volume 22? I really don't care about the armors when we got characters that don't have illustrations.

[Bennia Lover]

n0m@n just confirmed with me that Koneko and Kuroka image is indeed the cover because he said Ishibumi said it was at the stage event.

[DragonOsman]

Oh yeah, that's right, we did see a DxD G illustration in Volume 22. Never mind that, then. But where in Volume 23 did we see one for the True Queen?

And yeah, a DxD L illustration sounds great. Emperio Juggernaut Overdrive getting an illustration would be great, too. And as I recall, Vali's Juggernaut Drive never got an illustration, either. And now it never will because Vali doesn't use it anymore. This just sucks.

[Bennia Lover]

Pretty sure the illustration of Dulio vs Issei; that shows the top part of True Queen.

[Sparda4]

Well to be honest DxD G and True Queen are almost identical just remove a set of wings and get rid of the black color and your good to go.

[Bennia Lover]

Indeed the cover
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNTc-huUIAE-YFC.jpg

[B214]

Well the cat sisters finally made it into the cover. (Yes i know it's the 2nd cover for Koneko)

[Heracrim]

Despite being happy that both cat sisters finally got their own cover together, this cover is awkward because of Kuroka's bottom part uncovered lol.

[DragonOsman]

Again, girls usually don't wear panties in a kimono. It's normal.

@Bennia Lover: There's one illustration of Ise vs. Dulio where Ise in DxD G mode, but I don't know of one where he's in his True Queen form.

@Sparda4: Actually, while DxD G mode does use the True Queen as a base and add jet-black color to it, I'm pretty sure the shape of the armor also changes. Will have to go and check.

Anyway, it's great that both cat sisters got on a cover together for a Volume that's said to be about them. Now if only Ise would get a cover to himself in a Volume that's supposed to be about him. *shakes fist at Miyama-Zero*

[Bennia Lover]

Yeah the helmet Issei has on in that dulio vs issei illustration isn't DxD G's helmet at all.

[B214]

Again, girls usually don't wear panties in a kimono. It's normal.

Actually they do wear underwear or the more accurate would be undergarment. Kimono usually are worn in layers like the juban and nagajuban being worn underneath the kimono. So the thinking of them not wearing underwear is kinda faulty.

[Sparda4]

Anyway, it's great that both cat sisters got on a cover together for a Volume that's said to be about them. Now if only Ise would get a cover to himself in a Volume that's supposed to be about him. *shakes fist at Miyama-Zero*

If there was a like function on this site then you would get a point form me.
Seriously Issei needs his own cover. Why does Vali get to have the privilege of having his own cover while his rival doesn't ?

[AzazelDxD]

The cover in GOOD QUALITY..

I saw that Koneko left breast was almost part of her cleavage in this cover..

she looks shy with her red face.. Kuroka surprised, maybe the moment of Issei confession..

[KnightShade]

Indeed the cover
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNTc-huUIAE-YFC.jpg

Best girl on best cover

Koneko looks good 2!

[DragonOsman]

@B214: I mentioned "panties" especially, didn't I? And with all the other stuff you mentioned, would they really be able to wear panties? Underwear doesn't always equate to panties for a girl. Panties are just one type of underwear.

@Sparda4: Agreed.

@Bennia Lover: So Ise is really in True Queen form in that illustration?

Edit: Before I forget. I think Kuroka could also just be surprised about Koneko holding her hand. Koneko has mostly been cold to her aside from when she wanted to train under her.

[Bennia Lover]

Oh I didn't even realise they were holding hands. Kuroka is surprised by that because she's looking directly down at Koneko holding her hand.

@Dragon Yes

[AzazelDxD]

Edit: Before I forget. I think Kuroka could also just be surprised about Koneko holding her hand. Koneko has mostly been cold to her aside from when she wanted to train under her.

That should be the real reason of Kuroka surprised face..

[Lucidrago]

I'm so proud of Koneko! Her breasts!

[thefreakmike]

If there was a like function on this site then you would get a point form me.
Seriously Issei needs his own cover. Why does Vali get to have the privilege of having his own cover while his rival doesn't ?

I feel even more sorry for Kiba XD, Issei at least showed in two covers (tho he definitely needs one solo, vol 20 should of been his cover), meanwhile poor dude still hasnt gotten one, heck even Gasper got one before him (he deserved it tho since it was his volume), but still Kiba is longoverdue as well

[B214]

Haha we need Gremory male volumes so that Kiba and Ise can get their respective cover. :heh:

[Crimson406]

Haha we need Gremory male volumes so that Kiba and Ise can get their respective cover. :heh:

Or better yet, Yumi and Ise. :heh:

[thefreakmike]

Or better yet, Yumi and Ise. :heh:

The true OTP of this series :heh: :joke:

[aw454wtr]

Maybe the author is saving the final volume to put Issei on the cover

[DragonOsman]

I think it's more likely that he'll be sharing the cover with a girl or two (or more).

[Lucidrago]

Yeah Issei's not handsome enough to have his own cover. Issei's just too plain looking compared to the good-looking Kiba and Vali. So the chances of Issei having his own cover is very low. I'm still pissed about Kiba not having a cover. And then Ishibumi turning around and giving Vali his own cover.

[Ariel_Saeba]

Well well well, looks like Issei's channeling more and more Shirou Emiya at this point of the story.

[Ariel_Saeba]

Also, just checking here to read some stuff.

Speaking of Thanatos, remember that in the original myths he was neither an Olympian nor a Titan: he was one of the Progenitor Gods who represent Death (and thus, have total control over it), so to speak, though after the Olympians emerged he was somewhat nerfed in power since he could be "cheated" (as in the idiom "cheating death") even by the likes of Hercules. Hell in the DxD universe, Thanatos can be the progenitor of the Grim Reapers for all I know.

Fun Fact: It's a different case with Orcus (Bennia's dad) since he was more of a lesser god of death in the whole Greco-Roman Classical Myth (his Greek equivalent is Horkos, God of the Oath, so yeah, that does not translate well in the DxD hierarchy), thus why Ishibumi denotes his rank to be high, but still below Pluto (which, as we all know, is the Roman name for Hades).

[Lucidrago]

I consider only Thanatos to be the god of death. When referring to deities like Hades, Orcus, or Osiris, I think it's more accurate to call them gods of the dead.

And just because you're powerful doesn't mean you're invincible. No one's invincible in DxD, even Ophis, GR, and Trihexa. Just because you're OP as hell doesn't mean you're untouchable. Yes Thanatos could be tricked. Even in this series Shiva isn't invincible. Shiva feels fear at the thought of a Longinus or a Longinus-related object which would make sense since it's one of the few weapons that could kill him and the Longinus can be wielded by humans.

[Ariel_Saeba]

I consider only Thanatos to be the god of death. When referring to deities like Hades, Orcus, or Osiris, I think it's more accurate to call them gods of the dead.

The latter three are more like the gods who act as a keeper/guardian/judge and jury of the underworld and the dead from the way I see they do their roles in their myths (Fun Fact: Osiris was originally the ruler of Egypt before being cut dead and shared the underworld with his son Anubis, Orcus being too obscure in addition to often being conflated to Pluto, which is probably one of the reason Ishibumi decided to make him a Grim Reaper in order to minimise the hassle, and Hades being well, Hades).

And just because you're powerful doesn't mean you're invincible. No one's invincible in DxD, even Ophis, GR, and Trihexa. Just because you're OP as hell doesn't mean you're untouchable. Yes Thanatos could be tricked. Even in this series Shiva isn't invincible. Shiva feels fear at the thought of a Longinus or a Longinus-related object which would make sense since it's one of the few weapons that could kill him and the Longinus can be wielded by humans.

I was meant for that statement to indicate part of the reason why Ishibumi "derank" Thanatos from a Greek Progenitor God to a possible Grim Reaper, especially with the current conflated power levels as well as minimising the hurdles of having too much OP characters.

Being powerful does not mean invincible, yes, which is why there are workarounds for the strongest beings in DxD to be "deranked" so to speak (Ophis being divided into two separate beings or Fenrir being nerfed with Arthur's Excalibur Ruler are primary examples).

[Bennia Lover]

@Lucid You say Issei isn't handsome enough for his own cover yet you forgot Gasper got his own cover lol

@Ariel What do you mean Issei is channelling more Shirou Emiya?

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Bennia The way Issei words "I will protect everyone and make them happy" is none or less Shirou's trademark determination throughout the first two Fate/Stay Night routes.

[Lucidrago]

Gasper is cute and adorable and can be mistaken for a cute blonde.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Drago, oh, wait for at least 20 years for him to grow into a good version of DIO

[Sparda4]

Can't wait for that to go down the drain @Lucidrago. He's supposed to be a refrence to Vlad the Impaler so at SOME point his mindset does a 180 and becomes a badass.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, I really want to see that happen. Future Gasper in EX is great. Better than current Gasper.

[Lucidrago]

And then a future 'more badass' version of Issei comes back wanting to kill the present Issei. Because he got everything he wanted in the future. Became the harem king, peace, and he was celebrated as a hero and then died protecting that peace. And then he becomes a spirit that has to clean up humanity's messes and loses faith in the hero he once was. And comes back to the past to kill Issei.

[syzorst]

I feel even more sorry for Kiba XD, Issei at least showed in two covers (tho he definitely needs one solo, vol 20 should of been his cover), meanwhile poor dude still hasnt gotten one, heck even Gasper got one before him (he deserved it tho since it was his volume), but still Kiba is longoverdue as well

That's true, if anything Volume 3 cover should've had Kiba on it since that volume was centered mostly around Kiba's story about his past and his obsession with revenge but we got Asia instead who had little to no role in it.

[syzorst]

Yeah Issei's not handsome enough to have his own cover. Issei's just too plain looking compared to the good-looking Kiba and Vali. So the chances of Issei having his own cover is very low. I'm still pissed about Kiba not having a cover. And then Ishibumi turning around and giving Vali his own cover.

Issei being average looking is no excuse. He's the main protagonist. How can you not have the main character be on the cover of a volume alone?

[Lucidrago]

Rakudai Kishi no Eiyuutan. Well at least you don't have the same person on every single cover for DxD. I know Rakudai Kishi isn't a harem but I just really don't like consistency especially with a cast of good characters in the series.

Strike the Blood?

Issei's just not handsome to have his own cover by himself. He's just average looking. It would be like having the name 'Beer' on a beer can and nothing else.

[n0m@n]

Actually, that could be easily solved.
Just have Ise appear on the cover in his DxD G mode with his helmet on (←This bold part really important).

[Ariel_Saeba]

Besides, at this point of volume he's already hunk enough to not appear in a volume cover shirtless. Kappa :heh:

[vietthai96]

And then a future 'more badass' version of Issei comes back wanting to kill the present Issei. Because he got everything he wanted in the future. Became the harem king, peace, and he was celebrated as a hero and then died protecting that peace. And then he becomes a spirit that has to clean up humanity's messes and loses faith in the hero he once was. And comes back to the past to kill Issei.
And you want another Counter Guardian EMIYA, only one have already enough and now you want two. If i remember Issei want to be harem king not "hero of justice" =))

[DragonOsman]

^This. Also, if Ise came back to the past to kill his past-self, he'd cease to exist in the future as well, wouldn't he? He'd essentially be killing himself prematurely.

For Ise, being a hero is just a side-effect for wanting to protect those important to him. His primary goal is being a Harem King and wanting peace so he can do ecchi things with his harem without problems.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Osman ain't that Archer's objective from the start?

Anyway, not really sure how long Ishibumi would extend the Tournament Arc, but I expect the final arc to be a war arc (which can also be a good tie-in to the future war storyline mentioned in EX)

[Sparda4]

Actually, that could be easily solved.
Just have Ise appear on the cover in his DxD G mode with his helmet on (←This bold part really important).

Someting like this ? (Warning VERY CRUDE work) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNeQG4VW4AEPp51.jpg

[DragonOsman]

@Ariel: Aren't we already in the final arc? And it does seem like Hades will interrupt the tournament since he wants to punish the Devils for what Rizevim did. There's also Thanatos's plot concerning the Nekomata sisters.

But who's Archer, and are you referring to Ise killing his past self with that or to him wanting to be a Harem King?

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Osman, the "killing his past self thing", which is Archer's main objective from the beginning, since Archer is basically a bitter, future version of Shirou Emiya (named Heroic Spirit EMIYA, as mentioned above, but really he's just Shirou going with a growth spurt) from Fate/Stay Night (Since you're asking it, I bet you haven't finished reading the series).

As for Hades' revenge plot, idk how he would pull it off with force, especially since he now lost Pluto (well, he has many aces in his sleeve but I doubt Ishibumi will go that far, like unleashing the Titans which we all know is a very bad idea) and he's facing not only the Devils, but also Dragons and other factions as well (not to mention Shiva or Sakra). He may have an elaborate plan (which may or may not include original Lilith's cryogenically-preserved body as well as the Malebranche demons, but I tend to doubt the latter cause they tend to be neutral, yet has some inclination to the Devils due to their origin).

As for Thanatos, I haven't gotten to read that far (my latest reading is about 1/10th parts of Volume 23), but when I read that his plans with the Nekomata sisters, if anything, possibly won't last long.

[Ariel_Saeba]

Oh, and you probably have heard what Ishibumi said on his blog that he may extend the story beyond 30 volume (it sounds ludicrous, yeah, but with the style he's writing right now, it's kind of justified), which may open the room for an epilogue for both Issei's story and some kind of a stinger for a future war arc should he continue with the EX idea.

[Lucidrago]

Pluto was just one Ultimate-class Grim Reaper. There are other Ultimate-class Grim Reapers.

[Crimson406]

Pluto was just one Ultimate-class Grim Reaper. There are other Ultimate-class Grim Reapers.

Like Orcus.

[DragonOsman]

@Ariel: I'm not reading the Fate series.

But why do you think that the idea of him continuing DxD after Volume 30 is ludicrous? I think it could be a good idea. Especially since it happened because Volume 24 or 25 (forget which one it was exactly) got too big which caused him to split it in half. But even if he goes beyond even 31 Volumes, I still think it could be fine depending on what he has in mind. I want to be able to see true DxD (G, of course) come back, as well as Great Red's power and AxA awakening and being completed. We might need a sequel for the form from Great Red's power and AxA awakening and being completed even if DxD goes beyond 30 or 31 Volumes, though.

I really hope there's no Archer-like thing happening in DxD or any sequel series spawning from it, though.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Osman no wonder you didn't get the reference (read it, it's fun and has lots of blood fest :heh:). Also, the "future me wants to kill present me" idea won't pass on Issei's mind since his ideology, circumstances and powerset are pretty much like day and night with Shirou (for a fruit of thought, even with DxD G, present Issei won't be able to outmatch a Great Red size future Issei with the latter's more advanced techniques, shapeshifting, and tactics). And besides, DxD's storyline are too leaned toward the "happy and idealistic" side to put this premise into a subplot, let alone a major arc.

I'm not saying that it's a bad idea to stretch the plot more, what's with all the storytelling, Ishibumi's planning, and his writing style, but there are often lines where fans would need some kind of a breather, especially with the fact that DxD is one of those LN series who has the most volumes for its main story. Yes yes, you and other fans may want to see all those forms unleashed, but there are limits as how much a writer can stretch the story to contain all those power ups (hell, I even expect that his Great Red "AxA" form would be a kind of a "last moment superpower" thing possibly being used for flipping his middle finger to his enemies so to speak).

[DragonOsman]

Actually, AxA is said to be his true power as a being who was revived with Great Red and Ophis's powers. Ajuka's prediction. Ise thought it'd be ExE, but Ajuka corrected him and said that ExE is different and that it'll reveal itself to him soon. In the tournament, apparently. And it's likely that that's what the form he'll get from Great Red's power is (ExE). But I'm confused because while AxA was said to be a power greater than DxD and ExE, ExE was said to be a power greater than DxD. Great Red and Ophis are meant to be equals, though, so why would the powers Ise got from them not be equal as well?

AxA is the power Ddraig said he couldn't predict. Remember how he said even he couldn't predict what Ise would become from now on with Great Red and Ophis's powers, back in Volume 12? Some of us were thinking he was talking about DxD G being different from an "Ise becomes a God" power, but it turns out that Ddraig was talking about what Ise's true power as someone with both Great Red and Ophis's powers would be. DxD G mode actually is meant to be completed. There's no confusion or unpredictability about DxD G.

[Tbolt]

I just want to see Ise sneeze and he pops into full dragon body.

[B214]

The power no one could predict: OPPAI PAWA!!!!

Sorry i just had to do this.

[Lucidrago]

Yeah every writer has their limits. I really don't want Ishibumi shoehorning power-ups in considering the powerful gods in this tournament such as Indra.

[vietthai96]

i still don't know what the heck is CxC, ExE, AxA you guys keep talking about.

i doutb Indra will participate

With the series follow the pattern of Dragon Ball, which future enemy is stronger than current and past enemy with the current "suppose" villian is at Indra level or in the higher rank of top 10(i don't count Thanatos, i think he just a minor villian to add more dramatic to the story :D), the next enemy must be above unless our dear author change the pattern =.=

[Royalknightftw]

Eh i am really in for DxD passing over 30 volumes for world building and character development.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Royal I do too, although I must admit, for a light novel series like DxD with this level of character amount and world building, it is too much to be contained in a single, continuous, coherent storyline (which is why spin-offs and side stories exist.)

[Royalknightftw]

@Royal I do too, although I must admit, for a light novel series like DxD with this level of character amount and world building, it is too much to be contained in a single, continuous, coherent storyline (which is why spin-offs and side stories exist.)

While i agree that spin offs and side stories are extremely useful but it just feels such a let down if we don't see more world building in the main series especially something that has been mentioned for quite some time, like in DxD we know that the place like Asgard exists but we haven't seen it yet or Celtic Gods who have been mentioned but haven't appeared yet. At least Ishibumi can introduce them first in the main series and then dwell deeper later in the spin off

[DragonOsman]

i still don't know what the heck is CxC, ExE, AxA you guys keep talking about.

i doutb Indra will participate

With the series follow the pattern of Dragon Ball, which future enemy is stronger than current and past enemy with the current "suppose" villian is at Indra level or in the higher rank of top 10(i don't count Thanatos, i think he just a minor villian to add more dramatic to the story :D), the next enemy must be above unless our dear author change the pattern =.=

Wow, you really don't know about CxC, DxD, ExE and AxA? Did you completely miss the chapter where Azazel talked about it, or did you just forget? Azazel told Ise about his theory regarding his different forms and powers abbreviated with x's in them: AxA, BxB, CxC, DxD, ExE. BxB is Balance Breaker, CxC is Cardinal Crimson (the True Queen), and DxD is Dragon Deification. ExE was thought to be Ise's strongest form, but Azazel figured out that it's something different which will reveal itself in the tournament and which Ise will get an incomplete version of in the tournament, as Ajuka said to Ise in Volume 23 according to spoilers (that part of the Volume hasn't been translated yet, so right now we only have spoilers). Ajuka also talked in the same chapter about what AxA is (Ise's true power as a being that was revived with Great Red and Ophis's powers). I'd understand not knowing about what Ajuka said about ExE and AxA in Volume 23, but you should at least know the other stuff since, again, it was mentioned earlier on in the series by Azazel. It's in the already-translated Volumes.

I agree with Royalknightftw about what he said here:
While i agree that spin offs and side stories are extremely useful but it just feels such a let down if we don't see more world building in the main series especially something that has been mentioned for quite some time, like in DxD we know that the place like Asgard exists but we haven't seen it yet or Celtic Gods who have been mentioned but haven't appeared yet. At least Ishibumi can introduce them first in the main series and then dwell deeper later in the spin off

Getting introduced to Asgard and also to the Celtic gods in the main series would be better than if it were to be done in a side-story or spin-off, since they were already mentioned in the main series. Rossweisse also comes from Asgard, doesn't she? She also went there to train within the series. I forget when it was.

[cyberdemon]

i still don't know what the heck is CxC, ExE, AxA you guys keep talking about.

i doutb Indra will participate

With the series follow the pattern of Dragon Ball, which future enemy is stronger than current and past enemy with the current "suppose" villian is at Indra level or in the higher rank of top 10(i don't count Thanatos, i think he just a minor villian to add more dramatic to the story :D), the next enemy must be above unless our dear author change the pattern =.=

CxC is crimson cardinal promotion
ExE is a future form
AxA is a future form

[aw454wtr]

CxC = crimson armor with 2 canons under the wings ddraig's power
DxD = crimson black streaked armor with 4 canons 2 above and 2 under the wings ophis's power
ExE = Probably complete dragonification rising from great red's body that Issei has
AxA = Probably all previous powers from Balance breaker,CxC, DxD and ExE combined to from ultimate form for Issei (basically Issei's captain planet mode)

[DragonOsman]

That's not what AxA is. Read my previous post. An excerpt: Ajuka also talked in the same chapter about what AxA is (Ise's true power as a being that was revived with Great Red and Ophis's powers). And here's the original spoiler from n0m@n: The day before the tournament.
Ise is visiting Ajuka's lab. Ajuka asked Ise to come.
Ajuka is checking Ise's Evil Piece. He says that it all turned into mutation piece most likely due to Dragon-Godification. Ajuka says its terrifying that even the 8 mutation piece can't completely handle it yet. He says that form has the power which can seriously change the world.
Ise says he can't master it yet. But Ajuka replies that he thinks Ise is in a stage where he can. Ajuka says that it will take year to perfectly master it. He says Ise has all the requirement already. One of it is Ophis's stolen power---Lilith. Ajuka says that the reason why Ise can't use the actual DxD isnt because he lacks stamina. But more of Ophis's problem since her body split into two. So be resonating Ophis and Lilith, Ise should be able to use it. Ajuka says Ise should just leave that to Ophis and Lilith. The next part is...
Ajuka says that the power of Great Red is still sleeping inside Ise and hasn't been unleashed yet. Ajuka mentions the BxB, CxC, DxD, and the one past it which Azazel mentioned before. If Ise wishes to unleash the full potential of the 8 mutation piece, he should unleash the power of both GR and Ophis which will allow him to use DxD without putting stress on his body. And he mentions the power surpass that. AxA, the true power of Ise who was reborn by the power of Ophis and GR.

Ise comments that he thought it would be called ExE. Also because he would be joining Exe in the future. Ajuka comments that Azazel has already found answer for that. He says something alone the lines of it hasn't appeared in front of you yet. And the fraction of that power may show up during the tournament. They talk about the upcoming match. After few conversation Ajuka says he cant speak anymore than this since it will be unfair which Ise agrees to.

Basically there will be two more forms in the future. AxA and ExE. The power greater than DxD.

Look at the bold there. That's what AxA is. So basically it's both Great Red and Ophis's powers combined. Ise's true power. And it's possible that ExE is from Great Red's power, but let's wait until the full translation of that part of Volume 23 for that first.

[Bennia Lover]

I just realised that if Thanatos really does turn out to be Kuroka's and Shirone's father, he'll become one of Issei's father-in-laws.

[DragonOsman]

That's obvious, isn't it? The question is if he really is those two sisters' father.

[Bennia Lover]

Tbh no one would be thinking this if this user on the reddit didn't post a summary of the DxD stage event where Ishibumi said there's a secret involved with their birth.

[Lucidrago]

Nothing like having a god of death as your father-in-law. He already has 2 powerful devils and heads of two of the 72 Pillars as his fathers-in-law and one of the fallen angel leaders listed in myth as his father-in-law.

[Bennia Lover]

Issei will also have paternal/maternal relatives from the Bael clan. Anyway I wonder if the name of their mother will be revealed. I mean Diehauser's mother's name was revealed in the last volume [23], so there's a possibility hers will be too.

[DragonOsman]

Hopefully.

But damn, Ise has some really unbelievable relatives-to-be from his future marriages.

[n0m@n]

11 days left aye.
Wonder what new power will Ise show in this volume apart from the 3rd breast technique.

[DragonOsman]

What are the chances that it'll be the incomplete ExE? I do wonder what the 3rd breast technique is, though. Maybe it's actually going to be another breast power-up (if we can equate a breast technique to breast power-up (which we probably can't))?

[n0m@n]

Any kind of powerup is possible at this rate if we look back at how quick Ise gains new powerups.

[Lucidrago]

Then that would mean that Thanatos is too strong for nerfed DxD if Issei gets a power-up next volume. Or Hades just appears out of nowhere and starts fighting Issei.

Either way I want Thanatos to be the god of death in this series.

[DragonOsman]

Again, "nerfed" DxD G is only "nerfed" because of the time limit and because it doesn't have the power of infinity anymore. Look at the quote I showed from Volume 23 when Ise asked Ddraig if he thinks Ise can take Crom. The amount of raw power didn't drop at all.

So Thanatos could still be stronger than Ise in DxD G, but only if he's above Heavenly Dragon level (which he could be). Though even if he isn't, he could also be strong enough that the time limit in DxD G would be a problem.

[Bennia Lover]

The SS included with V24 is about Elmenhilde. Man Ishibumi really loves her. If she was introduced in the third arc, she surely would have became one of the female protagonists.

[DragonOsman]

There's a SS included with it? But the entire Volume itself isn't a SS compilation, right?

Anyway, yeah, I'm looking forward to reading the Elmenhilde SS, if it gets translated.

[Bennia Lover]

Every volume now gets a SS included and that doesn't mean in the volume itself. They are separate.

[DragonOsman]

Really? So doesn't that mean we've missed them all since they haven't been translated? I want to read them.

[Bennia Lover]

We haven't missed them all. It's just they need to be included in a DX volume now. There are still a few SS's not translated:

Phoenix' Resurrection?
Having a Mad Tea Party!
Maid of the House of Pendragon
A Gifted Person's Sleepover Party
Go West!
SS about Team Zatouji vs Team Journey to the West

[DragonOsman]

Are those the ones not translated? But I'm pretty sure Rias in Wonderland is translated.

[Bennia Lover]

Ah whoops my bad. I'm reading it right now since I haven't read it.

Edit: Read it. Anyway, you can get either one of two SS if you:

Buy V24 + the Dragon Magazine = You get Elmen SS
Buy V24 + Slash Dog = You get a collaboration SS

[DragonOsman]

But that'll be in Japanese, no? I want to straight to reading it in English. Hopefully someone will translate it. Maybe the same guy who's doing the DX Volumes.

[n0m@n]

The v24 was sold out immediately on animate after Ishibumi tweeted it on his twitter. Crazy...

[Tbolt]

That's got to be a new record.

[Parry999]

The first Kuroka volume mixed with a koneko volume plus Rias and Vali. Oh and hades back. Can see why it sell faster then normal.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, that's true. Those are all things to look forward to. For me, one thing to really look forward to seeing is Rias's new fighting style which I hope won't disappoint.

[Royalknightftw]

for me, i am still looking forward to get the full translation of Vol 23 lol

[DragonOsman]

Well, that's more just preaching to the choir. We're all in the same boat on that one.