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Stark700
2017-12-02, 07:29
https://i.imgur.com/yWFrxgv.jpg?1
Light novel Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou (Arifureta: From Commonplace to World's Strongest) is getting a TV anime. Coming for Spring 2018
Studio will be White Fox.
Plot Summary
Seventeen-year-old Hajime Nagumo is your average, everyday otaku. However, his simple life of pulling all-nighters and sleeping in school is suddenly turned upside down when he, along with the rest of his class, is summoned to a fantasy world! They're treated like heroes and tasked with the duty of saving the human race from utter extinction. But what should have been any otaku's wet dream quickly turns into Hajime's nightmare. While the rest of his class are blessed with godlike powers, Hajime's job, Synergist, only has a single transmutation skill. Ridiculed and bullied by his classmates for being weak, he soon finds himself in despair. Will he be able to survive in this dangerous world of monsters and demons with only a glorified blacksmith's level of strength?
Source
https://twitter.com/ARIFURETA_info/status/936935604138295296
https://arifureta.com/news/news-95/
Stark700
2017-12-02, 08:11
Staff
Director: Jun Kamiya
Series Composition: Kazuyuki Fudeyasu
Character Design: Atsuo Tobe
Studio: White Fox
Character Designs
https://i.imgur.com/A0ZBA0A.png
https://i.imgur.com/65VfVgY.png
https://i.imgur.com/mUiNJlL.png
Stark700
2018-01-14, 23:22
It's delayed to 2019.
https://arifureta.com/news/news-144/
Stark700
2018-04-28, 23:11
Coming in 2019.
New visual
https://i.imgur.com/c5HGn3E.jpg?1
Some staff members changed
https://myanimelist.net/news/55101416
Stark700
2018-12-20, 20:04
Premieres Summer 2019.
New key visual is out:
http://i66.tinypic.com/1zzhr3t.jpg
https://twitter.com/ARIFURETA_info/status/1075920757597777920
Stark700
2018-12-28, 20:02
Preview
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borisdrakoni
2019-03-23, 00:13
Some additional cast announcements from Anime Japan 2019:
Shizuku - Yumiri Hanamori
Tio - Youko Hikasa
Aiko - Ai Kakuma
Kouki - Tetsuya Kakihara
Hiyama - Minoru Shiraishi
Stark700
2019-03-23, 00:37
Here's the second preview
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Stark700
2019-06-03, 08:29
New key visual is out.
https://i.imgur.com/lRh3suB.jpg?1
https://twitter.com/ARIFURETA_info/status/1135536108832403456
Anime Starts "8th July 2019", with a special screening of the 1st and 2nd episode on "7th July, 2019".
Since Anime is going to also air on "AT-X" channel in Japan, its expected to have uncensored scenes in it.
3rd Preview, with segments of OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWHdQ3u1NQw
New Promo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoIaPNWLxy0
A bit of additional news.
Based on the content of release of the Blu-Ray for this series, there is going to be 13 episodes in this adaptation.
Plus, 2 bonus short episodes are going to be present with the 2nd and 3rd Blu-Ray box (along with many extra stuff, including original stories).
Stark700
2019-07-02, 21:52
Funimation announced for streaming.
https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/1146242520298512386
Stark700
2019-07-08, 10:57
OP song is out. First episode is up on Funimation now.
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disappointing start
it's extremely rushed and rearranged
cgi was lackluster also
I expected nothing and I was still disappointed.
FlareKnight
2019-07-08, 11:50
I think this is a case where it would have been better to go with the double episode opener. Go down to 12 episodes if you have to. That way you can actually show some more build up to Hajime falling and where he ends up by the end of this episode. They can fill in that period with flashbacks as they go along. Heck the opening showing Hajime and his class being transported hopefully means they will. But I think the double episode would just work a bit better.
For a single episode this probably wasn't the worst idea. Hardly the first time a show wanted to get to something big and dramatic in the first episode to try and get a hook into people. Not sure it would or would not have been better to start slow and end this episode closer to the fight that lead to Hajime falling down there. Would have been nice to have a bit more time to establish his classmates more.
A bit of a rough start. But hopefully they can steady things out with the next episode. Be nice if it was just a hurried start so they could get to stuff like Hajime getting his gun and killing the bear-thing. Ok show, you've established your lead character. Now let's smooth things out.
Was at reddit's discussion of Arifureta Ep 1.
In summary, they're furious with it. Especially with the lack of buildup and establishment for the MC and his classmates.
I decided to join its Discord last week. Wrong decision :heh:
Those guys seemed to have unreasonable expectations and are now reacting as I expected...
So much anger and indignation. This is just the tip of the iceberg, people. Wait until the original psycho albino makes his debut. Accelerator'll put this edgelord wannabe in his place.
Irenesharda
2019-07-08, 12:22
Ugh...you can keep this. It's Exposition: The Series.
Every time this guy opens his mouth or his brain, it's just one exposition dump after another.
He's very boring, I honestly still don't know his name after watching him for an episode. And we had to spend an entire episode with this boring waste of space! The plot got a little interesting with the idea that someone was purposefully trying to kill him but then took a nosedive as I watched him undergo the world's most boring power-up sequence.
Did I mention this was boring?
No interesting characters, plot, or premise, no interesting dialogue. The pacing felt like it was going way too fast, and yet nothing happened despite that.
I thought this would be interesting based on the synopsis, but this has made a horrible first impression that has left a bad taste in my mouth. :mad:
I'm pretty sure I'm not going to come back.
It is rushed like i expect it to be and only the ones who read the source well like the series
This honestly felt like the worst adaptation of an isekai anime I've ever watched.
Every season, I watch every isekai anime I see, and rarely drop it. I love the genre. Arifureta is my favorite isekai LN, so I thought I'd love to see these characters animated, no matter how poor the director's decisions; in the worst case scenario, I could just treat it as a fan tribute.
I didn't expect this to be so painful. I had already anticipated they'd rush to the Abyss portions, and skim on the classmates' characterization because it's not an effective use of time... but I didn't think they'd START with the Abyss. They even skipped the premise of WHY Hajime and the others were summoned to other world. They only bothered with 2 flashbacks: Kaori visiting Hajime's room, and the classmates falling into the trap -> Hajime falling into the Abyss. Everything else was a still image. They didn't even say why Hajime or the others were summoned to this world, or introduce any non-classmates besides Commander Meld. Of the classmates, only Kaori and Kouki had any development, and it was the bare minimum, we weren't even told they were childhood friends. Kouki came off as a posturing liar instead of a contradictory person without self-awareness. The Transmute skill is more or less reduced to "create rubble to block the enemy".
It'd be one of things if they cut all this content in order to properly deliver a few important scenes. But every scene felt like it was an ultra-condensed version of events that left you with no real idea of what was happening. The only scene that got close to a full adaptation was Hajime's inner dialogue as he's between life and death... and to be honest, that's the part of the story which is cringeworthy unless you've seen all the events leading up to it and appreciate what he's been through. Everything is supposed to built to that moment. I suppose it was probably only retained because it required zero animation. They also wasted a lot of time describing the different materials used to make his gun, which required no animation.
The OP is super static, and the ED is just two colored lights (meant to symbolize people I'm sure) orbiting around each other. On the plus side, hopefully the pathetic nature of the OP and ED help wake up people so they think, "Hmm, could it be the adaptation is what's bad, and the source material is very different?" and they consider trying out the LN, which has a fantastic localization on J-Novel. I imagine that even the source material critics who always pop up just to say "The first arc of Arifureta was good but then it went downhill!" will have no choice but to criticize the anime here.
Ichinotachi
2019-07-08, 15:33
I wasn't expecting anything from this and all what I can say after this first episode is: holy shit this is bad. Rushed, butchered and mediocre animation on top of that.
dang, is this what you all waited for?
It was actually better than I was made to believe it would be.
Gonna keep watching it for sure :D
Wheeljack83
2019-07-08, 20:35
All things considered, Goblin Slayer got it good in terms of adaptation and what was cut.
As a Goblin Slayer fan, I have very little to complain about other than the animation budget.
But as an Arifureta fan, this was tough.
Never known anything about this story except saw this title sometimes in the past. After I saw this first episode, It got me interest in this isekai because main character look badass to me.I like somewhat evil main character (not so innocent) So this is the first (and maybe only one) anime in this season that I will watched/followed. Not only that but I will read this in manga (or even LN) form too.
erneiz_hyde
2019-07-08, 22:14
disclaimer: I have read the manga so I didn't watch this blind, though I may have forgotten a lot of details. Regardless, I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding the story at this point in time.
Transmutater was common place and was regarded as useless in combat? That's hilariously laughable, like stating engineers are useless in war. But well, it's the usual backtracking of starting from the conclusion and then plastering premises that's common in isekai fantasy so I'm not as angry at this point. MC being dropped to the abyss didn't factor in how he's able to reconstruct a gun, he only got better material and the extra skill to make it so strong it could kill high level monsters in one hit. If he made them out of more readily available material above ground he will be able to keep up or even carry the rest of the class and gradually create better weapons and armors as they go further down. Frankly any fantasy world with transmutation powers being commonplace like this has no business staying too long in medieval-ish times. Medieval people were not stupid, they were as intelligent as any modern human, and they would and actually did make the most of what was available to them and achieved truly amazing feats of engineering. Just imagine what the Ancient Egyptians and Romans would've looked like if they had transmutation powers, and they long predated the medieval times.
Ruki0089
2019-07-08, 22:36
So rushed.... I guess author making mistaking for delaying anime.
FlareKnight
2019-07-08, 23:22
disclaimer: I have read the manga so I didn't watch this blind, though I may have forgotten a lot of details. Regardless, I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding the story at this point in time.
Transmutater was common place and was regarded as useless in combat? That's hilariously laughable, like stating engineers are useless in war. But well, it's the usual backtracking of starting from the conclusion and then plastering premises that's common in isekai fantasy so I'm not as angry at this point. MC being dropped to the abyss didn't factor in how he's able to reconstruct a gun, he only got better material and the extra skill to make it so strong it could kill high level monsters in one hit. If he made them out of more readily available material above ground he will be able to keep up or even carry the rest of the class and gradually create better weapons and armors as they go further down. Frankly any fantasy world with transmutation powers being commonplace like this has no business staying too long in medieval-ish times. Medieval people were not stupid, they were as intelligent as any modern human, and they would and actually did make the most of what was available to them and achieved truly amazing feats of engineering. Just imagine what the Ancient Egyptians and Romans would've looked like if they had transmutation powers, and they long predated the medieval times.
I never had too much of a problem with it. Though maybe willfully blind. Kind of the same in that I don't recall too many details of the early portion. But I always thought that the problem was that characters like Hajime were too weak to make good use of their transmutation. Like a person with offensive sword skills wouldn't be that great until they actually boosted their strength stat. They'd have the flashiest and weakest hit in the world until that point.
No doubt though in some ways it requires some inherent stupidity. The people in that world have to be a bit dumb to not tap into the awesome potential of transmutation. I have less problems buying that a person like Hajime wouldn't think of it unless cornered by circumstance. Could easily be swept up in a crazy situation and never stop to consider what you could do with that kind of ability.
In terms of what he could have done above ground...that depends on the materials. I'm not sure we know what they have ready access to. Could easily be right in that they'd have some decent options, but I'm not sure that is 100% a certainty.
sierra117
2019-07-08, 23:34
So rushed.... I guess author making mistaking for delaying anime.
Considering how the first Promotion art look like, delaying was a wise choice, the final result certainly doesn't satisfy us(yet), but if you compared to the initial promotion art, the current is still a massive improvement
Anh_Minh
2019-07-09, 01:47
I didn't expect this to be so painful. I had already anticipated they'd rush to the Abyss portions, and skim on the classmates' characterization because it's not an effective use of time... but I didn't think they'd START with the Abyss. They even skipped the premise of WHY Hajime and the others were summoned to other world. They only bothered with 2 flashbacks: Kaori visiting Hajime's room, and the classmates falling into the trap -> Hajime falling into the Abyss. Everything else was a still image. They didn't even say why Hajime or the others were summoned to this world, or introduce any non-classmates besides Commander Meld. Of the classmates, only Kaori and Kouki had any development, and it was the bare minimum, we weren't even told they were childhood friends. Kouki came off as a posturing liar instead of a contradictory person without self-awareness. The Transmute skill is more or less reduced to "create rubble to block the enemy".
Which one is Kouki? The hero looking one?
Which one is Kouki? The hero looking one?
Right, that's him. Maybe in the anime they only addressed him as "Amanogawa-kun" so far.
Transmutater was common place and was regarded as useless in combat? That's hilariously laughable, like stating engineers are useless in war.
The premise is that, Combat oriented Jobs are more valued, because they are really rare (like one in 100/1000 or so get a Combat or Combat-Support oriented Job).
On the other hand, Synergist is a Job class which is extremely common since 1 in 10 can have that Job. Because of this, Synergist generally work as craftsman.
Also, because of how the Magic of that World works, it makes it harder for any Synergist to reach the maximum capabilities of their Job class (the level Hajime reached, because of gaining higher Mana capacity and 'Mana Manipulation').
moridin84
2019-07-09, 06:39
That was terrible. Like really bad.
A generic adaption would have been much better than this.
The first volume was the best part of Arifureta and they've already skipped half of it.
I'm salty.
This is just like berserk 2016, it's a insult even call a adaptation.
I was okay with the change, using flashbacks to explain things on the way. But this was used in a terrible way.
Almost nothing was explained.
Not only this was just bad directed, but also bad animated, with static scenes that can only compete with the CG of bad quality.
To anyone who read this, if you are new to this series or not, if you enjoyed the series or not, don't use this anime as reference.
Tenzen12
2019-07-09, 09:47
I am not saying it's good (well there is no defense for terribad CGI at least), but I don't feel it failed explain anything. Class get summoned. They go dungeon with supervision. MC has "inferior" job. MC get backstabed and fail to low level part of dungeon. Eat monster which should kill him but survive because holy water, get op.
Everything pretty much lines up, if you ask me. I would say even thing that didn't get mentioned are easily to infer.
Well either way, I don't see why complain about adaptation being terrible, when following novel to letter would still make trashy anime.
Some people need to be spoonfed on all the smallest details right from the get-go.
I'm really believing people seem to be getting less patient with each passing year... :upset:
SilverGlavenus
2019-07-09, 10:34
Lmao at first I thought they made a mistake and aired the second episode, instead of the first one.:heh:
The Green One
2019-07-09, 10:35
Nah, it's just the usual:
"WHAT!?! THE ANIME ISN'T A 1:1 RECREATION OF THE MANGA/LIGHT NOVEL? IT'S GARBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
But seriously though. Your perspective is way different if you're going into an anime with prior knowledge or not. It's not as if some of the concerns are legitimate. Still it's the first episode, lets see if it can improve.
The problem it's not the 1:1.
It's basic things.
The synopsis and the OP tell us more then the anime narrative itself."Oh, but this is also a resource ins't?" It can be, but not the way it was used. The narrative is supported more on "the viewer knowledge of how isekai works" then other things. This ins't a resource use, it's just being lazy.
Then, we got the flashbacks. as previously told, the use of flashback it's not bad. The way it was used is the problem. We got flashback part 1,2,3,4 etc. that breaks from time to time, stopping all opportunity to engage to the narrative.
Many used resources to the storytelling still are good rosources, but the way it was executed it's badly done.
One with prior knowledge about the series can somehow catch a glimpse of what was going on, but the ones who aren't can be certainly confused.
Then, static animation and CGI.
But well, i was indeed wrong about some things.
The sound in a overall is good.
The "3+ episodes experience" are necessary.
4th Dimension
2019-07-09, 12:50
Arifureta was never amazing though it had it's niche. But this adaptation is a massacre of it. I have seen so many anime onlies reasonably be utterly confused.
Tenzen12
2019-07-09, 13:08
The problem it's not the 1:1.
It's basic things.
The synopsis and the OP tell us more then the anime narrative itself."Oh, but this is also a resource ins't?" It can be, but not the way it was used. The narrative is supported more on "the viewer knowledge of how isekai works" then other things. This ins't a resource use, it's just being lazy.
Then, we got the flashbacks. as previously told, the use of flashback it's not bad. The way it was used is the problem. We got flashback part 1,2,3,4 etc. that breaks from time to time, stopping all opportunity to engage to the narrative.
Many used resources to the storytelling still are good rosources, but the way it was executed it's badly done.
One with prior knowledge about the series can somehow catch a glimpse of what was going on, but the ones who aren't can be certainly confused.
Then, static animation and CGI.
But well, i was indeed wrong about some things.
The sound in a overall is good.
The "3+ episodes experience" are necessary.
So far only one saying it's confusing are ones who knows source material. As far as I can see, everyone else get what's going on from anime alone (or at least they doesn't bother say they don't). Also I doubt anyone expect audience read synopsis to understand plot. Saying that's argument is strawman
4th Dimension
2019-07-09, 13:26
I've seen anime onlies who thought Synergist class is what allows him to eat monsters and gain powers. I've seen people who thought this might not be an isekai etc. Yes, they actually do hit quite a few of the essential worldbuilding bits, but they only hit those that are extra important for the bare mechannics of the plot.
The thing with the first novel that most think is good (oppinions then diverge from then) is gone if they cut out the start.
The point wasn't MC gets chucked into the depths, gets OP. The characterization and emotional point was that falling into the Abyss and loosing his hand was just the cherry on the top of shit pile of abuse he was under for a while for reasons not under his control, it is only due to this that when confronted with the options to live or to just die he goes MENTAL. It's like giving a slideshow to first 3/4 of an anime and then doing the emotional resolution on the dry.
On the other hand this still leaves some space for the rest to be adapted in, but I'm highly doubtful given this start.
Synergist: As others have pointed out Synergist is not one of those usual classes with untapped potential. It is truly a crappy class if you mean to be part of an adventuring party. You just would not stand apart from any other local that might have that same class, and they have plenty Synergists already. And as for the materials, he only found these because he fell from floor 50 ish to floor 100 ish. No way in heck would these materials be found up high. Besides which NOBODY EVER got as deep as he is right now. That lone bear could have probably wiped half if not most of their party. And most of the class is on general stronger than storngest humans.
Also, it's not even just the gun that did the killing. He got that lightning skill from those wolves, which allows him to accelerate his rounds railgun style. This means he gets to speed up his bulets based on his magic stat which at this point is ridiculous (from human AND classmate standards) and that's why his shot was able to RIP APART bear's arm.
FlameSparkZ
2019-07-09, 13:43
Looks like everyone agrees that the adaptation was a bit...lackluster. :heh:
I read the Web Novel and liked it, the manga did a good job adapting the source material too...so why did the anime turn out like this?
This might've turned out better if it were done as a double episode, covering everything from the start. Introducing the class, them being summoned to another world, then build up to Hajime falling into the Abyss.
But nope, as mentioned already, the episode was apparently rushed to hook the viewers, and exposition was done to a bare minimum.
I'm still going to follow this to the end and see how it goes...but if it's going to be 12 episodes, I'm afraid a few things are going to get cut. :/
Tenzen12
2019-07-09, 14:16
I've seen anime onlies who thought Synergist class is what allows him to eat monsters and gain powers. I've seen people who thought this might not be an isekai etc. Yes, they actually do hit quite a few of the essential worldbuilding bits, but they only hit those that are extra important for the bare mechannics of the plot.
The thing with the first novel that most think is good (oppinions then diverge from then) is gone if they cut out the start.
The point wasn't MC gets chucked into the depths, gets OP. The characterization and emotional point was that falling into the Abyss and loosing his hand was just the cherry on the top of shit pile of abuse he was under for a while for reasons not under his control, it is only due to this that when confronted with the options to live or to just die he goes MENTAL. It's like giving a slideshow to first 3/4 of an anime and then doing the emotional resolution on the dry.
On the other hand this still leaves some space for the rest to be adapted in, but I'm highly doubtful given this start.
Synergist: As others have pointed out Synergist is not one of those usual classes with untapped potential. It is truly a crappy class if you mean to be part of an adventuring party. You just would not stand apart from any other local that might have that same class, and they have plenty Synergists already. And as for the materials, he only found these because he fell from floor 50 ish to floor 100 ish. No way in heck would these materials be found up high. Besides which NOBODY EVER got as deep as he is right now. That lone bear could have probably wiped half if not most of their party. And most of the class is on general stronger than storngest humans.
Also, it's not even just the gun that did the killing. He got that lightning skill from those wolves, which allows him to accelerate his rounds railgun style. This means he gets to speed up his bulets based on his magic stat which at this point is ridiculous (from human AND classmate standards) and that's why his shot was able to RIP APART bear's arm.
1)You get group teenagers with obviously japanese names in sword and fantasy setting. I guess it's somehow plausible to not realise as it we didn't get mandatory truck-kun running over all these youths, but that's about it.
2)Given synergist being explicitly showed what it does
(manipulating matter) and mc eating monsters was also explained into great detail.
Anyone who get confused by that can blame only own stupidity not anime execution. That said I didn't see any of these claims myself so at least on three different sites are people intelligent enough to not jump to wrong conclusion for no reason.
The only issue with this episode i have is the 'pacing of plot and stuff' (i am someone who follows WN, LN and Manga for this series).
The base format of the show seem to rely on the fact that those who watch the Anime either know the Novel/Manga story, or are familiar with the Isekai genre in general (so any first timer, who had never heard or read about a Isekai story could get confused at the setting).
Well, the idea of using "flashback" to inform about the plot background was ok, but the execution wasn't right.
Firstly, they didn't really elaborate as to why that "guy" tried to killed MC.
Nor the fact as to why the MC was able to easily accept the fact that the 'other students betrayed him'.
Nor did they try to explain as to why he was getting beaten up like that in one of those initial shots.
There was also a need to explain how and why they are in that Other World (granted this could be explained in future episode as well, using more flashbacks).
The transformation scene wasn't elaborated more either (don't know why they toned it down, as it was one of the key aspects of the story, since it did help change MC's character a lot).
While, there are a lot more stuff which have been cut out from the adaptation, some being major (like the number of students showcased being far less than the actual number who got summoned and were present at the Labyrinth), or some minor. But i guess that's to be expected, because i never expect a 1:1 adaptation.
Anh_Minh
2019-07-09, 14:56
I've seen anime onlies who thought Synergist class is what allows him to eat monsters and gain powers. I've seen people who thought this might not be an isekai etc. Yes, they actually do hit quite a few of the essential worldbuilding bits, but they only hit those that are extra important for the bare mechannics of the plot.
The thing with the first novel that most think is good (oppinions then diverge from then) is gone if they cut out the start.
The point wasn't MC gets chucked into the depths, gets OP. The characterization and emotional point was that falling into the Abyss and loosing his hand was just the cherry on the top of shit pile of abuse he was under for a while for reasons not under his control, it is only due to this that when confronted with the options to live or to just die he goes MENTAL. It's like giving a slideshow to first 3/4 of an anime and then doing the emotional resolution on the dry.
On the other hand this still leaves some space for the rest to be adapted in, but I'm highly doubtful given this start.
Synergist: As others have pointed out Synergist is not one of those usual classes with untapped potential. It is truly a crappy class if you mean to be part of an adventuring party. You just would not stand apart from any other local that might have that same class, and they have plenty Synergists already. And as for the materials, he only found these because he fell from floor 50 ish to floor 100 ish. No way in heck would these materials be found up high. Besides which NOBODY EVER got as deep as he is right now. That lone bear could have probably wiped half if not most of their party. And most of the class is on general stronger than storngest humans.
Also, it's not even just the gun that did the killing. He got that lightning skill from those wolves, which allows him to accelerate his rounds railgun style. This means he gets to speed up his bulets based on his magic stat which at this point is ridiculous (from human AND classmate standards) and that's why his shot was able to RIP APART bear's arm.
Does it say how he deals with the recoil of the superfast bullet?
Some people need to be spoonfed on all the smallest details right from the get-go.
I'm really believing people seem to be getting less patient with each passing year... :upset:
If the details are that the class was summoned by supposedly desperate people who need them to save humanity, but in fact have something more nefarious going on, and the MC was bullied because he wasn't as OP as the others, then no, I didn't need to be spoon-fed those.
The "surprise" for me would be that synergist is an actually common class, rather than a rare one that nobody had found a use for.
So far only one saying it's confusing are ones who knows source material. As far as I can see, everyone else get what's going on from anime alone (or at least they doesn't bother say they don't). Also I doubt anyone expect audience read synopsis to understand plot. Saying that's argument is strawman
Like 4th Dimension said, around the internet and even in this thread, plenty of anime-only people are confused. Look at the Random Curiosity review for an example of the reaction of someone new to the anime:
What’s the overarching premise and purpose? What is the objective of the characters and their starting position—and hell who even are these characters to begin with and why should we care? While a smart idea to try and shake up the usual isekai start seen countless times before, Arifureta effectively shows why this start has persevered for multiple series. Sometimes a little understanding and foundation is all you need.
What's sad is that some people don't even realize that the answers to these questions were already right there in the novel, and think it's an attempt to "shake up the usual isekai start". :(
One part that's easy for anime-only people to misunderstand is how Hajime becomes stronger. I just noticed that the explanation is so pathetic that it wasn't explained why eating them changed him; there was a very quick still image of a blue DNA strand turning red, that's it. He says "eating monster meat made my level jump up" "I must've gained these skills by eating the monster meat" but the explanation is barebones and you feel like holy water had a negligible role. Understating the importance of holy water is like if a dump truck and a sports car collide at high speed and explode, and an amazing mechanic manages to fuse half of one car's parts with the other car's parts and build a new car, and someone says 'this new car exists because two cars collided into each and fused!' :uhoh:
Also, let's say it's not a mechanic but 1,000 monkeys inside a chamber frozen in time until they succeed. That's about how unprecedented Hajime's transformation was.
Edit - To elaborate if anime-only people are curious, in the novel his body was continually being ripped apart by the dense mana inside the meat of high-level monsters, but he forcibly mended his body with the god-like rapid healing ability of the holy water, over and over, until by a fluke he achieved a mutation that let him adapt to the mana, making him more like a monster than a human. That's my vague recollection at least. The novel did an excellent job building up a sense of tension, showing how he'd done his best to survive in the Abyss but continually faced despair, how he'd utilized brilliant tactics to make the most of his weak job, so the scene felt exciting (to most people) rather than like an arbitrary cheat.
Go0gleplex
2019-07-09, 16:07
Well...that was a bit jerky in terms of presentation. Hard to follow the way they did it. See if it improves as it goes on, but it was a bit disappointing.
Tenzen12
2019-07-09, 16:09
Like 4th Dimension said, around the internet and even in this thread, plenty of anime-only people are confused. Look at the Random Curiosity review for an example of the reaction of someone new to the anime:
Ok, then. You convinced me.
Magewolf
2019-07-09, 16:24
Actually I would say the problem was to many flashbacks. The only one I would have used was a very short version of him throwing up the shield to block the dragon, having them fall back while saying they would protect him then him being hit by grinning guy and falling into the abyss. That would have happened while he was laying in the puddle of holy water dying. Then he could have gone I'm dying, I'm dying, I'm dying, No...your dying while thinking of the grinning guy. Then the rest of the episode would be him setting up the trap for the wolves by making the best use of his power then turning over powered and working his way up the food chain. All the rest of the flashbacks could be saved for later.
4th Dimension
2019-07-09, 17:03
Does it say how he deals with the recoil of the superfast bullet?
I'd wager this is probably something writer hasn't thought of. On the other hand, since most of the ridiculous speed would come from magnetic acceleration the recoil would passed on the thing generating it... which might be the magic circle allowing him to activate the electricity powers... then again I think he doesn't need those for the skills... then again I remember a LOT later one of his weapons getting into the hand of normies and them having to make a veritable council of best and brightest so they could make activation magical circles for various abilities in that piece of gear...
So I'm going to say it's MAGIC and there is no recoil to magic. So he just has to deal with the recoil from the blast stone explosion.
Then again at this point his strength is measured in multiples of the STR value of strongest of his classmates... so he probably has the STR to handle ridiculous recoils.
The "surprise" for me would be that synergist is an actually common class, rather than a rare one that nobody had found a use for.
Yeah, that it is. There are guilds of Synergists (basically craftsmen guilds) all over the place that were higher level and better than him.
erneiz_hyde
2019-07-09, 17:26
Yeah, that it is. There are guilds of Synergists (basically craftsmen guilds) all over the place that were higher level and better than him.
In another story, this could easily lead to the MC ushering forth technological advancements thanks to modern science, which has actually happened in numerous other isekai story. I still think it's unbelievably stupid that the people there think transmutation is useless. Like, of course a trader would be useless in a dungeon exploration. There is no need to put a transmuter in the front line if that's not where they excel at.
But like I said, this is most likely the author has a clear thing he wanted to write (the chuuni guy MC eventually becomes) and just slapped on それっぽい premises to that conclusion without too much thought, and thus we should also not put that much thought into it.
Tenzen12
2019-07-09, 17:40
You are right about that. I recall author himself said something along the lines. just wanted write as chuuni story as possible.
Wandering Soul
2019-07-09, 17:44
Honestly, the first episode came off as a lackluster attempt to start things in media res. You can understand what's going on for the most part, but it's not entertaining or interesting.
I never expected it to be better then the manga. This is a very pretty series, it would take some really good studio to come close. I didn't mind the fucked up plot either, since well its more of a character story anyway. But I DID mind when they gave him the dumbass monolog and then just went ham with it. That part really made it dumb and hard to watch. If he's a badass and you want to do monolog, do one or two catch lines at most, not an entire paragraph.
To be honest this just feels like amateur directing. Throw in some stuff that other isekai did, throw in some random ideas, cut up the plot to shreds.
Hopefully Ep2 redeems it a lil'
erneiz_hyde
2019-07-09, 19:25
Keep in mind that this anime was delayed on author's request. With that much say in creating this, I think it's safe to say this is the author approved definitive version. I am guessing the version before the delay actually had more content of the first part but the author thinks this first part is boring and just want to get in the meat of the action asap.
sierra117
2019-07-09, 19:58
Lmao at first I thought they made a mistake and aired the second episode, instead of the first one.:heh:
Keep in mind that this anime was delayed on author's request. With that much say in creating this, I think it's safe to say this is the author approved definitive version. I am guessing the version before the delay actually had more content of the first part but the author thinks this first part is boring and just want to get in the meat of the action asap.
Not really, not only the art and visual of earlier versions was abysmally bad, but according to the author, the plot of version was so cringeworthy that he was squirming in bed in embarrassment
erneiz_hyde
2019-07-09, 22:08
but according to the author, the plot of version was so cringeworthy that he was squirming in bed in embarrassment
???
Doesn't that confirm what I said? He thought the early plot was cringeworthy, so he just skimmed through it.
Chosen_Hero
2019-07-09, 22:19
Second one of the episode and I already knew how generic this was, then the anime started and I couldn't stop laughing at how bad the cgi looked.:heh:
I will keep watching this only to see how much worse it gets.
SilverGlavenus
2019-07-09, 22:34
Not really, not only the art and visual of earlier versions was abysmally bad, but according to the author, the plot of version was so cringeworthy that he was squirming in bed in embarrassment
Considering how self-insert and simple Arifureta's plot is (compared to some other LNs), I guess the first anime version is an abomination, if the author himself said so. :heh:
Irenesharda
2019-07-10, 01:45
So far only one saying it's confusing are ones who know the source material. As far as I can see, everyone else gets what's going on from anime alone (or at least they doesn't bother to say they don't). Also, I doubt anyone expect audience read synopsis to understand the plot. Saying that's argument is strawman
Anime-only here. It was very, very confusing. They never even took the time to introduce the world, the plot was very rushed. I honestly couldn't figure out what was going on. The only reason I even had any idea what was going on WAS because I read the synopsis. It OP is the only thing that even tells you its an isakai in the first place.
The dialogue was extremely clunky, with the MC (whose name I barely even learned) vomiting out exposition dump after exposition dump. So much happened and yet I feel like nothing of substance was there. Nothing told me how the world worked, the magic worked, why the guy was bullied, what that had to do with anything. Who he even was.
I know nothing about the source material and I could give a darn if they made a 1:1 recreation of it. It's a very, very poorly made premiere and probably the worst I've seen all season so far.
I'll just leave this here...
https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/1148770257147854849
moridin84
2019-07-10, 06:57
Most people defending the episode seem to be using the "starving children in Africa defense".
How can you complain about school lunches WHEN THERE ARE STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA?
I'll just leave this here...
https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/1148770257147854849
The art work looks like something from the 90s.
I could imagine the author being told that it couldn't be delayed anymore. Either he lets it go through or it get axed.
I wonder if this in media res/flashback was actually them just trying to throw together the scenes that they managed to do in one episode.
Frog-kun is in a frenzy today...
https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/1148837190052413440
Someone even mentioned "Girlish Number but real".
What exactly might that mean?
I'll just leave this here...
https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/1148770257147854849
Frog-kun is in a frenzy today...
https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/1148837190052413440
I don't know much about productions, so one who does please correct me.
But if the studio won't presents something that is acceptable for the "contractor", it shouldn't affect the staff responsable, the studio purse, or other things instead of the budget?
(We know also has the problem on the industry, bad payment, working overclock, and anything else, but at least we, the "customers" shouldn't be receiving something like this.)
Non-hetare MC is the best
Anime-only here. It was very, very confusing. They never even took the time to introduce the world, the plot was very rushed. I honestly couldn't figure out what was going on. The only reason I even had any idea what was going on WAS because I read the synopsis. It OP is the only thing that even tells you its an isakai in the first place.
The dialogue was extremely clunky, with the MC (whose name I barely even learned) vomiting out exposition dump after exposition dump. So much happened and yet I feel like nothing of substance was there. Nothing told me how the world worked, the magic worked, why the guy was bullied, what that had to do with anything. Who he even was.
I know nothing about the source material and I could give a darn if they made a 1:1 recreation of it. It's a very, very poorly made premiere and probably the worst I've seen all season so far.
I was expecting a little much from Arifureta for this season due to sharing parallel tropes with Tate no Yuusha, more specifically the underdog type of protagonist who little by little revels on his talents at leveling-up while gaining trustworthy allies for his party. Then, yesterday, watched the first episode with no knowledge on the source material, and, honestly, the manner how the MC was portrayed felt like him turning into an avenger hunting after the vicious fiends of the labyrinth in order to feed and survive, nevertheless, he definitely began to the get the gist of his transmutation skills in order to craft weapons and spells from whatever resources he came across in his current predicament.
While I do admit that there were the flashbacks prior to the raid into the labyrinth, unfortunately, only helped the viewers as little as much to reach surface level exposing both the MC and his classmates.
Shortly after viewing the first episode, I came across blogs explaining that the fans' negative reaction over the anime adaptation is understandable due to two glaring issues:
1. They cut, trimmed, skipped, and/or omitted lot of content from the LN first chapters.
2. The remaining rest that was adapted for the beginning of the anime was just too much of a quantity crammed within one single episode that ended up provoking serious pacing issues and creating events that made no sense.
Even if I'm both green and a newbie, whom doesn't know anything about the LN, still I could tell that the MC character's transformation not only was rushed but also seemed forced and out of place due to lack of proper exposition and missing details.
It is a bad move starting the show with the MC already at the midst of trouble without the proper introduction of both the characters and the setting due that in short-term damages the narrative.
I didn't have too much problems getting the gist.
Male MC was a gentle soul who got a bad skill in the new world and couldn't pull his weight. MC had a female friend who someone else liked. That person, instead of doing the normal "just ask the girl out", aimed a fireball at MC to kill him but MC instead got dropped into a cavern. Wild beast ate his arm. Instead of putting some of the blame on himself *he did scream as he was running away instead of backing away quietly*, MC becomes avenger-type blaming everything and everybody else (*sounds like Shield Hero*). MC expands skills/levels up/starts to look like Accelerator.
SilverGlavenus
2019-07-10, 20:45
I didn't have too much problems getting the gist.
Male MC was a gentle soul who got a bad skill in the new world and couldn't pull his weight. MC had a female friend who someone else liked. That person, instead of doing the normal "just ask the girl out", aimed a fireball at MC to kill him but MC instead got dropped into a cavern. Wild beast ate his arm. Instead of putting some of the blame on himself *he did scream as he was running away instead of backing away quietly*, MC becomes avenger-type blaming everything and everybody else (*sounds like Shield Hero*). MC expands skills/levels up/starts to look like Accelerator.
For those who often skip the OP, they might not know why the MC was bullied. And the flashbacks were so random it feels like they were added just to give exposition.
Irenesharda
2019-07-10, 21:31
For those who often skip the OP, they might not know why the MC was bullied. And the flashbacks were so random it feels like they were added just to give exposition.
If you skipped the OP you wouldn't even know this was an isakai. The idea of them being from our world was never even approached.
What's up with the ED tho?
It's just 2 lights moving around
Also the anime forgot to emphasis his Alchemist job as COMMONPLACE job
Greenish Growth
2019-07-10, 23:02
The anime didn't feel like Tokyo Ghoul torture compared to when I was reading those scenes. :D
Haruyasha
2019-07-11, 02:19
I jumped around in the first episode and thought the animation wasn't so good.
Then I watched Isekai Cheat Magician.
Now I think this anime looks wonderful.
For those who often skip the OP, they might not know why the MC was bullied. And the flashbacks were so random it feels like they were added just to give exposition.
Yeah, it's all about engaging the viewer. Some animes choose to reorder events in the first episode for the purpose of drawing in interest. A good example is Made in Abyss, where the first chapter would have been pretty boring, so the anime reordered it and had them dive into the abyss straight away.
Re:Zero had a double-parter for the first episode, because imagine what would happen if they ended the episode on the bridge scene - most people would have a pretty poor impression of it.
Re:Zero had a double-parter for the first episode, because imagine what would happen if they ended the episode on the bridge scene - most people would have a pretty poor impression of it.
That or they'd have had to rush or reorder events to have the episode end on a high note :heh:
moridin84
2019-07-11, 05:13
I jumped around in the first episode and thought the animation wasn't so good.
Then I watched Isekai Cheat Magician.
Now I think this anime looks wonderful.
Maybe you should try and watch it again.
Arifureta is still worse.
Yeah, it's all about engaging the viewer. Some animes choose to reorder events in the first episode for the purpose of drawing in interest. A good example is Made in Abyss, where the first chapter would have been pretty boring, so the anime reordered it and had them dive into the abyss straight away.
Re:Zero had a double-parter for the first episode, because imagine what would happen if they ended the episode on the bridge scene - most people would have a pretty poor impression of it.
If they wanted to do THAT when they should have started with the Behemoth scene. Him falling off the bridge because the guy shot him.
And then switched to the start of the light novel.
Doe, John
2019-07-11, 05:45
If they wanted to do THAT when they should have started with the Behemoth scene. Him falling off the bridge because the guy shot him.
And then switched to the start of the light novel.
I agree. There's nothing wrong with starting in media res, but having the vast majority of the first episode be nothing but this is a bad idea. Not everyone who watches this will be familiar with the isekai genre, and even those who do may not be familiar with the "entire class gets isekai-ed" scenario. Having a single uninterrupted flashback to explain things would be more cliche, but also easier to actually understand. For the ending, they should have ended either by returning to Hajime's fall or by continuing on to his first encounter with Abyss creatures.
Considering Arifureta's popularity and decent sales, I'm surprised the anime didn't get a 2-cour run like Slime Tensei or Shield Hero.
I'm also surprised the anime producers also didn't do an hour-long 1st episode to cover the story setup and Hajime's eventual fall, just like Re Zero and Shield Hero did.
PS. Here's the Syosetu post where author Shirakome Ryou said the initial scripts/storyboards for Arifureta made him writhe in pain.
https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/1148837190052413440
Considering Arifureta's popularity and decent sales, I'm surprised the anime didn't get a 2-cour run like Slime Tensei or Shield Hero.
I'm also surprised the anime producers also didn't do an hour-long 1st episode to cover the story setup and Hajime's eventual fall, just like Re Zero and Shield Hero did.
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Why? It doesn't take that much time to establish guy got wimpy powers in a new world and is of no use to them according to his peers, gets backstabbed during a quest. *His spot could have been used by someone who was more experienced if all they needed was an Alchemist.* It's expected that in a school environ the weak will get bullied. All of these elements are common anime troupes.
FlareKnight
2019-07-11, 13:25
Why? It doesn't take that much time to establish guy got wimpy powers in a new world and is of no use to them according to his peers, gets backstabbed during a quest. *His spot could have been used by someone who was more experienced if all they needed was an Alchemist.* It's expected that in a school environ the weak will get bullied. All of these elements are common anime troupes.Because it doesn't work otherwise. You have to establish the elements of a story even if they are familiar. What has happened to other characters in other shows doesn't matter in regards to this character, in this show. They needed to pace it out and build up to the events in this episode. Even if the double length first episode was essentially all the events leading up to this episode in that first half and more or less the same episode we just got.
You still need to cover who Hajime is, his situation in school, the class being summoned, and how things unfolded from that. There's no emotional reactions to get without it. We barely know anyone in his class beyond the most vague of first impressions. Just placing them into established cliches isn't good enough.
They either needed the first episode to be extra length or they needed to not even touch the stuff we saw here in the first episode. If you cut out or speed through familiar elements in every show...you are going to be left with a lot of butchered series. Make the first episode of something like shield hero after dumping all that stuff. Toss him being summoned (that's been done in isekai), speed up the explanations of the world and situation (it's saving the world, how complicated could it be?), toss the training sequences (how many training montages have people seen anyways), within 15 minutes just get to the betrayal and let's see how well that works.
Well from what i hear, the mess and lack of an 1 hour special with the first episode is mainly because of financial constraint which occurred because of the cancellation of the first draft of the anime last year (which resulted in the delay).
Friday already and no episode preview so far.
I just hope they don't keep people in the dark between episodes :upset:
Huh, I thought there was only 3 isekai shows this season, guess I was wrong.
The first episode was alright, guy ate some monsters like rimuru, but this time he's human and his revenge fantasies kept him alive.
I can see why people are saying this episode should've been an hour long, but that's the advantage of not knowing the source material, I don't know what has been skipped and if it was essential to the plot, so it's good enough for me, at least for now :heh:
Since random-kun went from ordinary to world's strongest in episode 1, does that mean I can skip the rest of the episodes? Like, are they all backstory to episode 1?
Since random-kun went from ordinary to world's strongest in episode 1, does that mean I can skip the rest of the episodes? Like, are they all backstory to episode 1?
At the end of the episode, you saw that he resolves himself to "go home"? With no spoilers, somehow that is the setting. See if worths your time.
rladls2121
2019-07-14, 23:36
But really, who knew eating monsters can make you powerful and gain its abilities.
Something like that can happen only in the games?
Magewolf
2019-07-15, 00:35
But really, who knew eating monsters can make you powerful and gain its abilities.
Something like that can happen only in the games?
I think that was mostly the magic healing water. Normally you would just die if you tried to eat monsters like that but the water kept him alive and he developed an iron stomach power possibility based on his starting alteration power but turned inward.
rladls2121
2019-07-15, 00:48
The water did kept him alive, but for his stats to go up just like that.
Still, damn it to be betrayed by his own comrades?
He risked his life to be a good help, and trying to be useful.
Really, for that to happen is really no joke.
I want to see its resolution.
FlareKnight
2019-07-15, 11:47
On the positive side I think the second episode raised the quality level up to acceptable. In reality it is a tough road to recover from that kind of first episode. But at least it wasn't frustrating. Hurrying through quite a number of floors sure. But just walking around by himself in a death trap can only be done in so many interesting ways.
I'd still prefer filling in background first since otherwise you risk losing your audience in one episode. But at least they are starting to backfill character relationships. Nice place really, summon a class to fight in your holy war. Props to them in some ways. Most settings only aim for one or two people. Why stop there? Just summon your own small army.
The fight against the cyclops duo was fairly enjoyable. Some decent effort to mix in tactics and take advantage of openings. And even got to the point of saving an ancient vampire trapped in a mystical prison. Certainly says a lot of where his personality ended up that he would initially bail out. And while they played up the reaction with too much sound effect, I can buy that he'd change his mind upon betrayal entering the picture. A classmate trying to kill you will do that.
Arifureta's author is accepting people's reviews/impressions of Ep 2 in their Syosetu account. So if you can write in Japanese and have things to say...
https://mypage.syosetu.com/mypageblog/view/userid/386841/blogkey/2363777/
4th Dimension
2019-07-15, 14:44
This is a considerably better epsiode than first one. I'd even say it's good IF we assume they HAD to get to the end of vol 4 in 12 episodes. So it's not suprising they just blew past 50 floors. On the other hand it makes me wonder why not put all these flashbacks into first episode. Oh well, for me they worked here too, even though the worldbuilding one was out of place.
What I'm wondering more is, given that all monsters in this episode (and all off monsters in ep 1 that weren't on the bridge) were actually animated rather than terrible CGI, why is that? The only answer I can give is that either everything was CGI in the original, OR this CGI replaced the original animation they had for ep 1.
On the bad, I have NO IDEA why did they add that fade effect on Yue's arms where they go into the box. She was literaly submerged into it. Why the fade instead of sudden cutoff. Also I'm pretty sure Hajime wasn't able to make the whole cube go away just dug Yue out.
I waited till the second episode to start watching, so as for my impressions (I read WN long ago).
The first episode is downright terrible. I agree with starting in the abyss to make it bit more dramatic and ominous while explaining through flashbacks, what I hate is the execution. The animation is bad, sound not better and voice acting is laughable (really, I started laughing on the "It ate my arm!" part), the directing would be the worst I guess.
As for the plot, having no emotional buildup to the transformation made it even more cringeworthy than it already kinda was. And as was already mentioned placing the flashbacks during the transformation might have helped. I also dislike how easy they made his fights, later on, be, making him super OP, which he shouldn't have been. To highlight the difference with the monsters, he spent like an hour to slowly "drill" it to death after trapping the first wolf (because no other means could even scratch it), not just easily killing it.
The second episode, on the other hand, is decent. While it isn't a masterpiece, it is average isekai anime quality, so I am content with it. The only thing I would like to change would be with Yue. I would like to see her more "worn down", like being almost only skin and bones and hoarse voice acting in the beginning, to make her more pitiable (and overall increase emotional impact).
Ichinotachi
2019-07-15, 15:35
This episode was much better than the first one but that's not saying much considering that Arifureta is fanfic tier at best. Looks like all the budget went to Yue, not that I'm complaining about it :heh:
This is still getting rushed but I belive they're slowing down the pace, we'll see what's going to happen with the next episode, maybe the beginning of this adaptation took the worst part of this mess of a series.
Was much better. At least the monologue is not annoying and cringe anymore.
Honestly I feel they chose to not make it dark and go more fluffy? Especially given how Yue sounds.
Go0gleplex
2019-07-15, 22:31
Well, this ep was watchable, though the directing/story board planning SUCKS! Pacing is all over the place along with the flashbacks though they were mercifully fewer this time.
I really really enjoyed the books...and had such high hopes for the anime. Too bad they seemed to have hired amateurs to produce this hack job. I get budgets and having a massive amount of material to deal with...but seriously?!
Oh well...hasn't hit the point where I'll drop it...yet. Hopefully it'll improve more instead. *sigh*
Anh_Minh
2019-07-16, 01:37
On the positive side I think the second episode raised the quality level up to acceptable. In reality it is a tough road to recover from that kind of first episode. But at least it wasn't frustrating. Hurrying through quite a number of floors sure. But just walking around by himself in a death trap can only be done in so many interesting ways.
I'd still prefer filling in background first since otherwise you risk losing your audience in one episode. But at least they are starting to backfill character relationships. Nice place really, summon a class to fight in your holy war. Props to them in some ways. Most settings only aim for one or two people. Why stop there? Just summon your own small army.
Maybe the others are afraid a big group of isekaied heroes would cause problems. I mean, 30+ people together, with legitimate reasons to be pissed at those who press ganged them, pressured to stick together, and abnormally powerful...
rladls2121
2019-07-16, 03:52
The word "Betray" must mean a lot for this series I guess.
I have a bad feeling though, Hajime who isn't really 100% human anymore, he may not be welcomed by everyone.
There's the King, its castle, and all these history's story.
What happened to Hajime is something that is uncommon, so.
Maybe something is really wrong with the world these people are living in, it is matter of time that some secrets will be no longer a mystery.
SilverGlavenus
2019-07-16, 05:23
The word "Betray" must mean a lot for this series I guess.
I have a bad feeling though, Hajime who isn't really 100% human anymore, he may not be welcomed by everyone.
There's the King, its castle, and all these history's story.
What happened to Hajime is something that is uncommon, so.
Maybe something is really wrong with the world these people are living in, it is matter of time that some secrets will be no longer a mystery.
At worst, he will be considered a demon, I mean the humans and demons have been at war, so they should despise each other very much.
The "betrayal" part is something that the anime messed up. Instead of delving into Hajime's pain and suffering (with proper build up and context) to highlight how he felt when he was betrayed, they made it into a meme worthy scene.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-07-16, 06:46
The second episode was an improvement but the execution of this is absolutely awful. The worst part is there's very little discussion that can be had without Massive spoilers. Oh well i'm gonna give it a chance but it's on thin ice
This episode was much better. Still has some problems, but i'l be considerate since we got progress.
On a side note, the director made his others works worth his name, the ecchi on the new ending was little too much for me.
Makes you think why there are not many games that reward you with your very own loli when you beat a dungeon or something :heh:
If maou-sama retry had a knockoff rem then this definitely has a knockoff shinobu :heh:
I was about to laugh when he was about to walk away after seeing the sealed loli vampire but then she was able to say the magic word and now she's in a love triangle with the priestess classmate.
If the story wanted to be consistent then what should've happened was that he unseals the loli then eats her, after all that's what he has been doing all this time, and immortality and being able to instacast spells will make him stronger and maybe his arm will even grow back.
Also more isekai protagonists should try eating the monsters they've defeated! And as somebody who has been experiencing stomach problems for days now, I can only imagine the type of stomach pains he experienced when he was eating those monster meat raw :heh: :heh:
FlareKnight
2019-07-16, 11:31
Makes you think why there are not many games that reward you with your very own loli when you beat a dungeon or something :heh:
If maou-sama retry had a knockoff rem then this definitely has a knockoff shinobu :heh:
I was about to laugh when he was about to walk away after seeing the sealed loli vampire but then she was able to say the magic word and now she's in a love triangle with the priestess classmate.
If the story wanted to be consistent then what should've happened was that he unseals the loli then eats her, after all that's what he has been doing all this time, and immortality and being able to instacast spells will make him stronger and maybe his arm will even grow back.
Also more isekai protagonists should try eating the monsters they've defeated! And as somebody who has been experiencing stomach problems for days now, I can only imagine the type of stomach pains he experienced when he was eating those monster meat raw :heh: :heh:
We'd probably see a lot of shorter shows if they did try that. Although would be quite the twist having some main characters die from food poisoning. I suppose more should be happy they never reach the level of starvation that makes eating monsters seem like the sensible idea.
Glad he only broke his pattern in terms of actually getting Yue out of there. Falling to the point of eating sentient people would be rather unfortunate. Although not completely unbelievable considering the attempted murder, limb loss, and being trapped in a deadly dungeon for a long time.
If the story wanted to be consistent then what should've happened was that he unseals the loli then eats her, after all that's what he has been doing all this time, and immortality and being able to instacast spells will make him stronger and maybe his arm will even grow back.
If we go by the novel:
there really wasn't anything much on her he could eat. She was so starved, that except for some shriveled skin, bones (and maybe brain matter) there was nothing on her. Also considering how long she has been in there without ever cleansing herself, I would imagine the nasty smelling hard wolf meet must have seemed a much better choice.
I also wonder whether it would work anyway. Technically she shouldn't be a monster, so eating her would very unlikely give him any abilities.
Falling to the point of eating sentient people would be rather unfortunate. Although not completely unbelievable considering the attempted murder, limb loss, and being trapped in a deadly dungeon for a long time.
As a rule nobody would ever think to eat a being that could talk, more so if they're a cute loli vampire, but..
If we go by the novel:
there really wasn't anything much on her he could eat. She was so starved, that except for some shriveled skin, bones (and maybe brain matter) there was nothing on her. Also considering how long she has been in there without ever cleansing herself, I would imagine the nasty smelling hard wolf meet must have seemed a much better choice.
we have the answer from the source material (which is totally unexpected for me btw) so that settles the matter :heh:
4th Dimension
2019-07-16, 16:07
I also wonder whether it would work anyway. Technically she shouldn't be a monster, so eating her would very unlikely give him any abilities.
Yeah, no it most likely wouldn't. He wasn't getting powers because it's just a thing that happens, it was more because monsters are set up so their cells will try to convert the nearby tissue into more of them. So he was literaly being torn apart rebuilt and built again as the healing water and the monster meat fought each other over how does his body supposed to work.
Vampires don't have that, because vampires were one of non monster races and didn't have mana crystals.
Haruyasha
2019-07-16, 21:54
A few personal opinions regarding the anime itself:
I do like the fact that the anime has better focus on the overall class.
The additional Kaori scenes were definitely welcome. I felt like she was completely abandoned in the manga after Nagumo's fall, which is a shame because I think she has a lot of potential to be a great character.
The anime cuts out the pointless snake fight, however it does give us a decent fight against the cyclopes.
In the manga, he instagibs them in three panels, which for a boss fight was underwhelming and pathetic.
Now maybe the anime can sprinkle some more magic and give Nagumo actual character development.
FlareKnight
2019-07-17, 02:09
A few personal opinions regarding the anime itself:
I do like the fact that the anime has better focus on the overall class.
The additional Kaori scenes were definitely welcome. I felt like she was completely abandoned in the manga after Nagumo's fall, which is a shame because I think she has a lot of potential to be a great character.
The anime cuts out the pointless snake fight, however it does give us a decent fight against the cyclopes.
In the manga, he instagibs them in three panels, which for a boss fight was underwhelming and pathetic.
Now maybe the anime can sprinkle some more magic and give Nagumo actual character development.I will agree that I like the focus on the class. Although in some ways it is an absolute necessity. After all...the show starts with Hajime falling. If they don't cut back to the class at any point people wouldn't be amiss to think he was brought to this world by himself :heh:. Not a bad thing seeing what events are unfolding as Hajime makes his way through that underground nightmare.
I do remember the novels having those scenes so I'd guess they just cut them for the manga adaptation. The fight against the cyclops was pretty short in the novels too. Not quite instant as the manga, but a lot shorter than the anime. Which makes sense. It was the big fight of the episode and just making it an instant win would have been boring to watch. These things were guarding the entrance to Yue, let's make them more interesting.
FlameSparkZ
2019-07-17, 13:07
Good too see this episode was an improvement when compared to the previous, hope this continues.
As for the Ogre boss duo, form what I can understand, they probably had a Blue Oni/Red Oni theme that is sometimes seen in rpg games: One excels in attack, the other in defense, defeat one and the other won't last long.
Hajime happened to take out the attack-focused ogre first, and pretty much guaranteed his victory.
That was quickly lampshaded when Hajime said he wasn't going to wait for them to pair up. :heh:
Hajime being a savvy, perceptive and scheming protagonist only makes certain scenes in the novels way more funny and cool to read and picture in my head :D
4th Dimension
2019-07-22, 11:37
Anyone know or hear why is this week's episode delayed? I don't remmeber much fire in the source for them to delay it due to KyoAni?
4th Dimension
2019-07-22, 15:36
Huh, it did air. So my source was wrong. Except my usual source of anime didn't have this one this week and I had to resort to backup.
Again with the CGI monster this time for crab. I have a feeling the CGI is for what they replaced for some reason. Because look at those dinos, they were animated pretty well. All monsters that aren't CGI have been animated pretty well. Though to be honest the crab was nowhere near as bad as the thing in Ep 1. This thing actualy had animations on it. Also the bit where I'm assuming both the monster and Hajime are manipulating the earth and they aren't using that terrible texture but brownish one, is actually KIIINDA cool and not a bad use of CGI. On the other hand they havne't grasped that you should BLOODY TEXTURE your models.
Also what's up with turning the level with a JUNGLE into another cave. Probably because drawing a jungle background would be too expensive. So all plants are now waaay too obvious.
Not bad work on the final scene even if things didn't go excatly that way but fine.
FlareKnight
2019-07-22, 16:18
Not a bad episode. I do wish that spell from Yue had a bit more punch to it. Coming down it looked impressive enough, but not quite there on impact. At least things moved along fairly sensibly. And with two characters you can have a discussion going on while they are covering so much ground. The banter was alright and they did get a few reasonably humorous scenes mixed in there. They are moving scenes and dialogue around. But the end result is fine enough. Bit too bad they couldn't spend more time with the dinosaurs since they did look pretty nice.
A little bit of focus on the classmates there. At least know they are staying in training mode. Slow and steady, but most definitely being left in the dust there by Hajime's rapid progression.
No disagreement in general with Hajime's plan though. He's picked up his vampire princess and can focus on heading back home. Let his classmates deal with the holy war they've been drafted into. Though there is going to be some explaining to do when he does end up getting back home :heh:.
Frontier
2019-07-22, 17:59
Hajime and Yue seem to be settling pretty well into a solid and positive partner dynamic. It's what you would expect when they're the male and female lead of this series, but it's nice to see the build up all the same :).
"Hajime, you perv." Well, he didn't have much of a reaction to her naked to begin with, so it doesn't seem to matter to him much :eyebrow:.
So Yue is not only the apparent vampire with immortality, but she also seems to be the last of her race. Obviously last episode she seemed to have wanted to cut herself off from her past, but that seems to weigh on her a little bit :twitch:.
Yue's vampire bites looked more like she was trying to give Hajime a hickey :p.
I guess it's good Hajime isn't concerned about revenge when it comes to his former classmates (or at least the one that put him in this situation), even if also doesn't seem like he cares about them at all even though some of them (especially Kaori) have genuinely mourned him. All the same, I'm expecting a reckoning of some sort when they all reunite :upset:.
That scene of Yue dropping her robe and pouncing at Hajime was very...suggestive, especially with the dialogue. I imagine she was probably just going to suck on his blood again (although she didn't need to be naked for that), but still :uhoh:.
I love Yue's reaction to Hajime actually shooting at her, and that Hajime planned on doing it from the start but just wanted to make sure she gave him permission first :heh:.
If I'm ever in charge of creating a labyrinth or whatever I'll be sure not to make the floors an even 100, I'll probably do 103 or 117 floors or something just to make things unpredictable :heh:
Pandora's Box
For the second episode, I actually became invested in Shizuku as a character and her growth potential. She was coping for both Kaori and herself over Hajime's apparent loss, meanwhile we got first view on Kouki's personality doing the best for his classmates but at the same time trying to be of service to the people of the other world at being the first to turn to the role of the hero.
Lastly, Hiyama musing to himself over the fact that he caused Hajime's apparent fall demise in the Orcus Labyrinth and getting frightened at the possibility of being found out.
The Golden Vampire Princess
For the time being, the show is winning over due that each episode ends with a sort of suspense cliffhanger in preparation for what's coming forward in the next one.
That, and as well that in the second episode Yue, at last, made her debut. However, she let's on a displaying a little bit of her powers in the third episode.
She and Hajime are very relatable with each other due to suffering betrayal, although under different circumstances to each other. Nevertheless, in the third episode they quickly started bonding as they traveled together to the 100th floor.
Her quirks makes her so cute as well as an endearing character to me, and pretty sure once Yue gets in top shape her magic will be devastating against anyone or anything that dares to get Hajime's path.
If I'm ever in charge of creating a labyrinth or whatever I'll be sure not to make the floors an even 100, I'll probably do 103 or 117 floors or something just to make things unpredictable :heh:
I would have made that trap transport them back to the beginning just to mess with them. :heh:
sierra117
2019-07-22, 22:12
I would have made that trap transport them back to the beginning just to mess with them. :heh:
Miledi approved this :D
Go0gleplex
2019-07-22, 22:25
3rd ep: That was actually enjoyable for a change. The end monster was creepy as Hades too. lol Let's hope things are hitting their stride episode production-wise finally and don't fall apart like the first two eps.
I have to say, the anime is making me like Yue more. Seeong and hearing her makes me easier to relate to her and appreciate the bonding between her and Hajime.
I would have made that trap transport them back to the beginning just to mess with them. :heh:
Hey I'm just trying to tease them a bit not make them ragequit :heh: :heh:
I have to say, the anime is making me like Yue more. Seeong and hearing her makes me easier to relate to her and appreciate the bonding between her and Hajime.
You can't exactly dislike her when she's draped over that wooden backback and then nibbles on Hajime's neck from time to time like an overgrown affectionate pet cat :heh:
This 3 episode is getting more credit from me then he deserves, but narratively speaking, this was very good.
Somehow the CG connected with the scene(even being bad as it is), the use of flashbacks turn out to be engageable, and the animation also improved.
With a similar structure of narrative and storyboard of the first episode, this one works as some kind of damage control.
Anh_Minh
2019-07-23, 15:36
If I'm ever in charge of creating a labyrinth or whatever I'll be sure not to make the floors an even 100, I'll probably do 103 or 117 floors or something just to make things unpredictable :heh:
It's 100 floors since the one he fell in, not 100 floors total.
My trick would be to put the "end" - or at least the path to the end goal - in a discrete corner of one of the middle floors while the bottom-most would just be a decoy. Add to that progressively harder to find ways down, and the adventurers will spend forever trying to find a hidden access that doesn't exist.
4th Dimension
2019-07-23, 18:57
Well, this is a combat dungeon. So tricks isn't really it's style.
It's 100 floors since the one he fell in, not 100 floors total.
It was very convenient for him to coincidentally fall to the first floor of this labyrinth (called "bottom of the abyss" level 1 from the overlay text) then accurately count the floors he's been in which coincidentally happened to be the right floor number from what we've seen so far. He got Yue on the 50th floor from his count and this floor, the 100th floor from where he fell, is also confirmed to be a level with a boss flight looking door.
Then again I could be wrong.
My trick would be to put the "end" - or at least the path to the end goal - in a discrete corner of one of the middle floors while the bottom-most would just be a decoy. Add to that progressively harder to find ways down, and the adventurers will spend forever trying to find a hidden access that doesn't exist.
Imagine finding a huge door at the end of a floor that you thought would lead to a boss fight, then find that it's just a solid wall behind that door and the real path was that small staircase you ignored about 50 floors up LOL.
rladls2121
2019-07-24, 02:13
The voice "Whoooooaa!" sounded kind of realistic.
4th Dimension
2019-07-24, 04:18
It's very convinient that you can even level skip in this dungeon. And not be a bloodstain at the bottom... and conviniently find the one thing allowing you to survive feeding on monsters.
Face it, the fall was very convenient to set up the plot.
The author is a self-professed chuuni-lover, so it's no surprise he would go this way with this story :heh:
borisdrakoni
2019-07-24, 06:52
It's very convinient that you can even level skip in this dungeon. And not be a bloodstain at the bottom... and conviniently find the one thing allowing you to survive feeding on monsters.
Face it, the fall was very convenient to set up the plot.
True, but most stories require similar elements of plot convenience to get things moving at first. The anime skipped how Hajime survived the fall by mostly watersliding his way down after getting knocked into a hole in the wall by a waterfall. As for the convenient magic rock, there was actually some entertaining backstory for that added into the prequel series Zero.
One more fun little fact. The author is a big fan of the Tales franchise. In particular, his favorite video game is Tales of Phantasia. His concept for the Orcus labyrinth came from Morlia Mineshaft. The name of the world, Tortus, is also a homage to the starting village in Phantasia.
WOW! That sure is a funny piece of trivia.
My brother has been playing Tales of Phantasia, so he may know those things :D
I would have made that trap transport them back to the beginning just to mess with them. :heh:
Miledi approved this :D
Yep, works splendidly, but beware of rabbits.
I find this series to be a splendid example of the Chinese monkey proverb. By all rights, the series is still pretty bad, but because the beginning was just outright terrible and now it got "better" most of us feel kind of content with it.
Now for a quick question to the anime-only audience. How long do you think Hajime has spent in the labyrinth till now?
Now for a quick question to the anime-only audience. How long do you think Hajime has spent in the labyrinth till now?
Month or two? Looking at him it should've been years but it does not seem like it.
4th Dimension
2019-07-24, 12:52
About that much. Maybe less. His reammates had to get through their issues they got from nearly wiping and watching one of them die, so that took some time, and now they should be back in the dungeon... 100+ floors above him...
Cosmic Eagle
2019-07-26, 02:49
The art work looks like something from the 90s.
Huh? It looks like standard 2010s design
devilo96
2019-07-26, 11:29
the art for manga ver is much more badass than the anime ver from design chara and the damn weapon
https://i.imgur.com/hlmLXLN.png
Non-hetare MC? Is this even anime?
Btw, bad CG fights :p
Also, that's not how railgun works :heh:
Ichinotachi
2019-07-29, 12:05
^Yue is the only good thing about this so enjoy it :heh:
4th Dimension
2019-07-29, 15:40
My god those dragon heads :D They were funnier than they were scary :D
I read the novels and I was having trouble getting what is supposed to be happening at moments :D
Also there at the end he is supposed to be DODGING like mad Matrix style, yet he just stands there :D
Anh_Minh
2019-07-29, 16:23
Not sure why, but I found ep4 to be a total yawn fest.
Go0gleplex
2019-07-29, 18:07
Garbage CGI that just did NOT integrate well with the scene....and then the hydra powers were just lazy work. And yeah....like wuhgum said. The anti-material railgun went off like a mini-wave motion gun. Not the narrow plasma beam it would have appeared as due to its speed.
I get they are trying to pack a lot of information into a short time slot...but good grief. It's like amateur hour by whomever laid out and planned it. Makes me wonder how much better it would have been with a competent animation studio behind it.
All I can say is that I've seen worse fights and and worse plot than this so it's not unwatchable for me.
somebody tagged this as low budget and yet it has all these CGI monsters which isn't cheap I think? :heh: :heh:
This fight reminds me of that turtle rock dungeon boss from zelda a link to the past, although that one only had 3 heads.
Also we finally found out where the teacher was. From the flashbacks we knew she was against making her students fight but since her ability is that of a farmer then she's sent somewhere else because she doesn't have any fighting capabilities, just like the MC, but she's still a summon so they can't exactly get rid of her easily.
4th Dimension
2019-07-29, 19:38
Teacher has a noncombat class, but her is actually an OP one since she can MASSIVELY improve fertility of fields and therefore boost the shit out of crop yeelds. Not flashy but VEEERY important for the War Effort and VEEERY rare. She is pretty much considered almost a demigodess of fertility :D
Which is pretty much the reason she has any say in this at all.
I don't know how you could make something CHEAPER than that thing. This is early 00s console video game levels of fidelity.
Firefly00
2019-07-29, 20:07
If I'm ever in charge of creating a labyrinth or whatever I'll be sure not to make the floors an even 100, I'll probably do 103 or 117 floors or something just to make things unpredictable :heh:
On which note you might find the following videos inspirational...
oQBmtgU4d2g
_4JG0IwclAg
Also consider that some parts might be home to analogues of Tucker's Kobolds (PDF (https://media.wizards.com/2014/downloads/dnd/TuckersKobolds.pdf)) (which I suspect might have been part of the inspiration for Goblin Slayer).
And yes, 4th Dimsenion, good call on remembering the the saying 'an army marches on its stomach' is a saying for a very good reason...
SilverGlavenus
2019-07-29, 20:10
So I'm not the only one who felt empty after this episode ??
I miss the hand drawn, not cgi bosses.
But seriously, what kind of highschooler knows how to make weapons ?
Oh my god! They are being attacked by bad CG!
Well, can't expect a good catharsis from this episode since the fighting scene is spoiled by the cg and the bad fight.
So yes, meh episode.
Wandering Soul
2019-07-29, 20:35
Pretty meh episode. It did its job serving as background noise while I was grinding in FGO though.
Frontier
2019-07-29, 23:08
I liked the Hajime and Yue kiss at least. What better way to confirm someone's faith in you by planting a warm kiss full of passion on them ;).
I'm still getting shady vibes with this group that brought the kids over. That the teacher had to actively step in to make sure they didn't send any kids who didn't want to go into the dungeons is a big red flag.
moridin84
2019-07-30, 05:25
With the terrible CG, it was hard to take everything that happened seriously.
It's sad because I remember finding the hydra stuff rather emotional when I read the novel years ago.
Teacher has a noncombat class, but her is actually an OP one since she can MASSIVELY improve fertility of fields and therefore boost the shit out of crop yeelds. Not flashy but VEEERY important for the War Effort and VEEERY rare. She is pretty much considered almost a demigodess of fertility :D
Which is pretty much the reason she has any say in this at all.
Aaaaand as an anime only viewer I never had any idea that the teacher is this powerful, all we saw was that her power was farming related, that's it.
On which note you might find the following videos inspirational...
oQBmtgU4d2g
_4JG0IwclAg
Also consider that some parts might be home to analogues of Tucker's Kobolds (PDF (https://media.wizards.com/2014/downloads/dnd/TuckersKobolds.pdf)) (which I suspect might have been part of the inspiration for Goblin Slayer).
Thanks for the links! If ever I get isekai-ed to a world that is heavily based on D&D (like overlord) I hope I have a phone with me loaded with player handbooks and videos like these :heh:
EDIT: It's amazing how close Tucker's kobolds are to the first episode of goblin slayer, though we probably wouldn't know if the author had read that before he wrote that scene in Goblin Slayer, also if ever I became a DM I'm going to steal that one for sure.
Firefly00
2019-07-30, 11:26
I'm still getting shady vibes with this group that brought the kids over. That the teacher had to actively step in to make sure they didn't send any kids who didn't want to go into the dungeons is a big red flag.
It's entirely possible that said group sees the kids as little more than tools, to be disposed of once their usefulness is exhausted... after all, it's not like anyone would miss them. Note that said mindset would also justify the implementation of kill switches...
Aaaaand as an anime only viewer I never had any idea that the teacher is this powerful, all we saw was that her power was farming related, that's it.
To be fair, writers don't always do the best job of showing how important logistics are to a war effort; there may also be an assumption at play that the target audience would find that kind of thing uninteresting.
Thanks for the links! If ever I get isekai-ed to a world that is heavily based on D&D (like overlord) I hope I have a phone with me loaded with player handbooks and videos like these :heh:
After all, knowledge (and imagination, as GS put it) are significant weapons. In this vein, I would in your position also look for Grimtooth's Traps! series (the first of which was published in 1981)
EDIT: It's amazing how close Tucker's kobolds are to the first episode of goblin slayer, though we probably wouldn't know if the author had read that before he wrote that scene in Goblin Slayer, also if ever I became a DM I'm going to steal that one for sure.
Sort of related would be this blog (http://themonstersknow.com), and video playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4ihyL-PTq4NK4Ox14fbOO0hB1bFphYcE).
4th Dimension
2019-07-30, 12:43
Aaaaand as an anime only viewer I never had any idea that the teacher is this powerful, all we saw was that her power was farming related, that's it.
That's because anime isn't telling you SHIIIT :D
Though maybe they are planning to show more of that later when the arc which features among others sensei comes about. Which is pretty much how this adaptation has rolled. Telling you things well after the fact.
Anime isn't even telling that his Alchemist job is "Arifureta"
Anh_Minh
2019-07-30, 14:48
On which note you might find the following videos inspirational...
oQBmtgU4d2g
_4JG0IwclAg
Also consider that some parts might be home to analogues of Tucker's Kobolds (PDF (https://media.wizards.com/2014/downloads/dnd/TuckersKobolds.pdf)) (which I suspect might have been part of the inspiration for Goblin Slayer).
And yes, 4th Dimsenion, good call on remembering the the saying 'an army marches on its stomach' is a saying for a very good reason...
If I was a DM, that would make me want to write a world where there's an evil consulting firm helping evil overlords spruce up their dungeons with design advice and wizard temp workers.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-07-30, 21:22
If you're an anime only viewer you'd probably be wondering how this got an anime in the first place because of how stale it feels. It's one of those adaptations where the group really didn't do a great story justice and it's a shame that's the case
rladls2121
2019-07-31, 01:37
Making holes on the ceiling, throwing grenades inside those hole, the grenades stuck in it.
Does it really work in real life?
It is my first time seeing it.
Aside from the fight, I didn't know that situation the whole class is in was that bad.
Small children are inside those dungeon and this one good looking boy is saying to his classmates about going forward nonsense, it is nonsense to me at this point.
4th Dimension
2019-07-31, 05:35
I think the way ti went in the novel he dodged about between the shots of the monster it was firing about and placed charges on the roof. I don't think the novel goes into how he got the charges into position excatly. Then he got the monster to fire upwars and that with the detonation of his own charges collapsed the roof.
Good looking one is a fucking idiot, I'll say that much.
By good-looking one, you mean Kouki? It's gonna be hard for anime-only viewers to reach that conclusion, with the little time he's been getting in the series.
The story's prologue (that got severely skipped in the anime) kinda helped get to that conclusion, as far as I remember :heh:
Kouki personality and development is what makes us implicitly catch the basic motivation of the beginning in this series, using his trope as a pillar.
Well, i think that till the end of the season he will be further explored.
Firefly00
2019-07-31, 16:13
Making holes on the ceiling, throwing grenades inside those hole, the grenades stuck in it.
Does it really work in real life?
It is my first time seeing it.
That sounds like a trick the Viet Cong were fond of: they would take a discarded LAW tube or the like, add a removable cap, then fill it with grenades sans pins (the tube would be enough to keep the spoons in place), then rig it with a tripwire linked to said caps. The wire would, when triggered, pull the caps off, allowing the grenades to drop out...
rladls2121
2019-07-31, 16:46
^Thanks for the explanation, but I'm still confused.
No need to abbreviate.
Yes, Kouki that's his name.
His face looks more than just bright and positive ever since the beginning, it kind of makes it scarier.
He was the first one to step forward to fight this war to "help people".
The teacher immediately telling her students to stop, but no avail.
The situation they are in feels so wrong.
4th Dimension
2019-08-01, 02:50
Well of course he stepped up. After all this is TOOOTALY like in issekais, there are big bads and then there is THE HERO, that is him. OF COURSE he and they needed to join into the (bloodletting) protecting. And since this is like a story and he is a HERO NOTHING POSSIBLE COULD GO WRONG. Have I mentioned how he is the HERO? And the HERO always fights.
SilverGlavenus
2019-08-01, 04:26
Good looking one is a fucking idiot, I'll say that much.
The anime made him overly optimistic and inconsiderate to Kaori's feelings, at least compared to what I remember from the novel.
That's because anime isn't telling you SHIIIT :D
Though maybe they are planning to show more of that later when the arc which features among others sensei comes about. Which is pretty much how this adaptation has rolled. Telling you things well after the fact.
I'm starting to get what the source material readers are talking about, looks like they're skipping most of the background story and are going straight to the action and the totally legal loli vampire.
And I was hoping for the series to adapt up to Vol04, which I consider a good stopping point for a 1-cour adaptation.
This adaptation is trying to focus as much as possible on Hajime's badassness and Yue's cuteness (so far).
There was so much more in this story that made me wanna keep reading the LNs... :upset:
borisdrakoni
2019-08-01, 11:43
The anime made him overly optimistic and inconsiderate to Kaori's feelings, at least compared to what I remember from the novel.
It's actually pretty consistent with the novels. Kouki is basically the living embodiment of the phrase, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." He means well, but tends to ignore or misinterpret anything that doesn't fall under what he deems to be correct. It's not as obvious in the anime, but there are hints of it in most of his appearances so far.
Anh_Minh
2019-08-01, 12:42
So, stupid but not malicious? That's something, I guess.
So, stupid but not malicious? That's something, I guess.Pretty sounding words that he totally believes in but that are extremely shortsighted and based on stereotypes of popular culture. Its not an unique take or essential but the producers are blind to not realize the you get extreme black by putting extreme white behind it.
Spiderman would still be cool with out the baggage, but he's much more cool-er with it (when done right).
This is just a fanservice adaptation now with mediocre budget. I recommend nobody judge the story (of the original material) based on it.
4th Dimension
2019-08-01, 14:55
And I was hoping for the series to adapt up to Vol04, which I consider a good stopping point for a 1-cour adaptation.
This adaptation is trying to focus as much as possible on Hajime's badassness and Yue's cuteness (so far).
There was so much more in this story that made me wanna keep reading the LNs... :upset:
I'm going to assume it's mostly going to focus on the harem members and the big plot moments while completely ignoring the details. Also I'm pretty sure I saw/read somewhere that they plan to do vol 4 too. Otherwise they frankly could have completely cut out the classmates thread like manga did. So it's probably going to be
Vol 2: Ep 5-7
Vol 3: Ep 8-10
Vol 4: Ep 11-12(13?)
The Hero: For one his name is Kouki, though I think it has only been mentioned on his adventurer's card. I don't want to go too much into it, because if we get to vol 4 we'll see how he acts under pressure. But I think I can talk about things that have happened so far in the novels.
As others have said Kouki is seemingly one of those all loving MCs, but in that he has an issue. He considers EVERYONE to be acting out of maybe misguided but good intentions. And anything that indicates otherwise he tends to just ignore.
Before the fall into the Abyss for example Hajime was trying to get better by training with a sword. He wasn't really good at it but he was trying. Except the group jealous of Kaori (Priest chick) giving him attention used "sparing" to beat him up, and it was pretty visible to others. In comes Kouki berating Hajime for not trying harder... Yeah, he saw what they were doing, but he couldn't get that these kids were actually bullying him and instead decided they were just being hard on him for his own good and joined in...
And here, quite a few people saw that the reason Hajime fell was because he was struck by one of their own. And I'm pretty sure quite a few people suspect it wasn't an accident given the positions and how much some hated him. But Kouki completely ignored all that because he can't conceive someone would intentionally shoot a team mate. Also during this entire thing up to now, Kaori has kept believing Hajime is alive (which was frankly a pipe dream) but he kept completely ignoring/being oblivious about it and his message tended to be unintentionaly (out of utter obliviousness) "just get better already" not getting she is grieving. Since Kaori caring about Hajime is kinda another of those things he selectively tends to be oblivious about it.
So TLDR, he isn't INTENTIONALLY malicious, but given that there is a disconnect between the world as he sees it (I'm the all loving hero goodyshoes and everyone is just misunderstood but if I use FRIENDSHIP everything will be fine) and the real world, he can unintentionally be REALLY damaging about things.
Also when I say "all loving Hero goodyshoes" I'm not being sarcastic so don't picture some guy who is just thinking that about himself while not doing anything of sort. He actually did do all kinds of charity things and like and is incredibly charismatic to boot. But it's just that in this world not everyone has good intentions and not everything can be solved by singing Kumbaya.
Ep05 is the end of Vol01, so that assumption can be assumed to fall flat.
Most likely, it's gonna be 5+4+4 up to Vol03. Anything else may have been rumors.
4th Dimension
2019-08-01, 15:09
Yes, there will be a bit of Vol 1 in ep 5 but that's really the epilogue. Since this adaptation tends to completely ignore the mechanics I expect us to have met the next girl by the end.
Also if they arne't going to do vol 4, than frankly they should have mostly cut the entire thread back with the classmates. The things relevant to the volume where couple appear could be done in a flashback since this adaptation really likes it :D
Check the Novel Thread. It's all I can tell you. You'll get it quickly.
Did it important to read LN ? or enough for watch only anime if I want only fun time.
My example is SAO I have enough with just anime only.
4th Dimension
2019-08-02, 12:43
Some anime only would be better to answer you that, but I'd say to get a better understanding you should check the LN or at least the manga. Though even manga that is not perfect.
Cloudedmind
2019-08-02, 15:10
Anime only here. I'm personally enjoying it, even with the bad CGI, and generally understand what's going on.
FlareKnight
2019-08-02, 16:25
The Hydra was...a bit rough.
But at least I'm enjoying the show past that brutal first episode. I'm at least still liking the dynamic between Hajime and Yue. Doing a pretty good job backing each other up. He helps save her from the mental attack and from that KO blast that was launched at them. But, Yue also drags him to safety, makes sure to try and heal him up, and buys time by rushing out against something she wasn't in a condition to beat.
There are things I can certainly enjoy mixed in there.
Here's a cut content video explaining a ton of what was missed before Episode 1:
https://youtu.be/T90tVPLi8Bc
We're finally through the first arc! If you ask me it's a shame they had to leave that place, it looked like a nice place to use as a base, though of course I think they're able to return there whenever they want.
Now to see how the love triangle develops between the loli vampire and the classmate, and how everyone will treat our hero who has come back from the dead and is now waaay too OP because he ate his way through the labyrinth!
FlareKnight
2019-08-05, 13:04
In some ways I like when a series just decides to pair up the leads and not fool around too much. These two walked through hell together and got through to the other side. No doubt this has been quite the journey anyways. At the very least they spent 2 months preparing to leave once they found a safe haven. Toss onto that the time spent getting to that hydra and that's a fair amount of time spent together. If something was going to happen that was the time for it. So I'm fine with them establishing where that relationship is by the time they left to the surface.
And I still kind of like how straight forward the initial goal is. Just find a way back home. Let this death trap of a planet figure out its own business. No doubt the plot will force them into situations, but their goal isn't to take on the gods of that world or overthrow the political structures. Find a way back home and freak Hajime's family out when he arrives. The loss of his arm, eye, physical changes, and the immortal vampire girlfriend he picked up along the way...
Not bad either to see where his classmates are at. Still just exploring the dungeon and slowly getting stronger as they go.
^ To their defense, it didn't get any direct depiction even in the LN, just got mentioned that it did happen. Might get referenced later on by certain pitiful bunny. There was even directly scene where she rants about it.
Overall pretty good quality for ep. 5 (I would say the best till now). If I were to nitpick, then the only problematic points would be Hajime's overreactions (though that is the current trend in anime) and sometimes a bit iffy Hajime's voice acting, but not really so bad to bother.
4th Dimension
2019-08-05, 14:59
My main problem with this episode is that they REALLY slimmed down the worldbuilding infodump Oscar was supposed to give Hajime and they prematurely showed off some of the Hajime's arsenal. He has all kinds of shit to the point you never know what's he going to pull from his pocket next so this ruined the suprise.
Also I was wrong, with the way we are going I can't see how we can get to reunion in Vol 4 unless we shift to a SERIOUS rushing mode. This then kinda makes all the Kaori scenes definitely superfluous and they could have been left out like manga did.
Oh, how much I agree with you...
I'd like to rant a nice bit, but since it may be spoiler-inducing, I gotta refrain from it... :upset:
The only thing I can say is that the adaptation seems to be pacing 5+4+4, up to Vol03.
I feel a little conflicted to say this episode was good, but for all uses, i'm gonna say it was.
Still has that CG, but at this point, saying something about have no use. That being said, the fighting sequence sounded more engageable then the other episodes, with the dialogues of the classmates adding more emotion and drama to the scene. I say at least decent. (well, i'm also pretty weak to summoning chants, so i may be blinded about this).
Good to see hints of the major plot, making us pay more attention on the text. I think this was good used, since it's a little too early for the classic "revealing episode" on anime,as they are using In Media Res, so we got a good taste of cliffhanger.
Now, that "comedy scenes", geez. That one where he was eating, i was like "wtf it's that sound from Hanna-Barbera cartoons?:heh::heh:"(Probably have a proper name, but IDK). But, in a overall, OK.
Also, as previously commented, finally we had a better sense of time on the anime. We know now it was 2 months. Stills don't cover how much time was the dungeon, or the time of his transformation, but now we aren't in the dark.
Well, pretty good end of arc, concluding vol 1. Differing from the vibes of the first episode, now i'm willing to watch till the end of the season.
Firefly00
2019-08-05, 16:35
Now to see how the love triangle develops between the loli vampire and the classmate, and how everyone will treat our hero who has come back from the dead and is now waaay too OP because he ate his way through the labyrinth!
And let's not forget the small matter of finding out just who left him in that sticky wicket in the first place. If it was an accident, they just have some explaining to do; otherwise... said person or persons should not have long to regret their decision. For which I can imagine our protagonist taking cues from a certain Marine...
Lukes YGO & WS on YT
2019-08-05, 18:06
I am very excited for the next episode.
2 Months in that place with all that power and everything he has created.
I think I could take over the world too if I was in his shoes.
Frontier
2019-08-05, 22:46
There are worse ways to wake up then cuddled naked against a cute naked girl...and then feeling her butt. Yue certainly seemed into it. And then she got the typical pervert punishment usually reserved for males :innocent:.
Was Yue going for the cliche of putting on your lovers shirt after a night of passion? Not that that was Hajime's shirt, but that seemed to be how Hajime took it :).
Yue is surprisingly forward, which I can admire in a girl. She has no compunction about bearing it all around Hajime, and is very actively affectionate with him. She even gives him a back massage while on top of him and wearing only a shirt :love:.
Kinda surprised to see Hajime blushing so hard at Yue naked when that's how he was first introduced to her and he didn't seem bothered by it while they were traveling. Maybe it's that thing where you become more self-conscious around someone when you realize you have feelings for them :uhoh:.
So Yue is Hajime's "type?" What part of her is? The petite bust, blonde hair, cute voice, or being a vampire :twitch:?
What's the purpose behind watching what Hajime's classmates are up to trying to clear the dungeon he almost single-handedly cleared? Are we supposed to be invested in them succeeding together and growing while being completely oblivious to what's going on with Hajime? Just not quite sure where they're going with this :eyebrow:.
They sure glossed over what Hajime learned from Oscar. I guess what the church told the kids wasn't exactly accurate? Maybe that'll be where Hajime reunites with his old class...
The montage of Hajime and Yue living their lives in the mansion while also preparing for the rest of their adventures was interesting. As much as they were preparing for their next dungeon it also kind of seemed like they were enjoying life as newlyweds :D.
Our main pair finally get their official outfits, which was cool, and they both look pretty snazzy, especially Yue. I guess they used the material they had to make her new clothes? I doubt Oscar had a skirt and high-heeled shoes among his clothes. Or maybe he did :eyespin:.
So Hajime is determined to return to his world no matter who or what gets in his way after going through a harrowing and character re-defining event along with a young female companion...I think he and the Shield Hero would probably get along somewhat. Although at least Hajime knows to return his lady friend's feelings ;).
Chosen_Hero
2019-08-05, 23:03
The dude went from edgy to edgelord in the span of an episode, I mean, not only does he get a metal arm, but he also gets a gem for an eye with an eyepatch and weapons no one in that world has because they are all designs from earth, did he also make a nuke just in case?:heh:
By the point of the implied sex with the loli and the convenient super special power up you can really tell where the author of the LN was mentally when writing this shit.:heh:
Also, the bad cg in this episode didn't feel like someone was throwing glass in my eyes for once, just sand, so I guess that's an improvement?:confused::heh:
And let's not forget the small matter of finding out just who left him in that sticky wicket in the first place. If it was an accident, they just have some explaining to do; otherwise... said person or persons should not have long to regret their decision. For which I can imagine our protagonist taking cues from a certain Marine...
It's one of his classmates from episode 2 I think, the one who ran away from the sword girl screaming "it wasn't my fault!" or something.
4th Dimension
2019-08-06, 04:30
There are worse ways to wake up then cuddled naked against a cute naked girl...and then feeling her butt. Yue certainly seemed into it. And then she got the typical pervert punishment usually reserved for males :innocent:.
Was Yue going for the cliche of putting on your lovers shirt after a night of passion? Not that that was Hajime's shirt, but that seemed to be how Hajime took it :).
Yue is surprisingly forward, which I can admire in a girl. She has no compunction about bearing it all around Hajime, and is very actively affectionate with him. She even gives him a back massage while on top of him and wearing only a shirt :love:.
Kinda surprised to see Hajime blushing so hard at Yue naked when that's how he was first introduced to her and he didn't seem bothered by it while they were traveling. Maybe it's that thing where you become more self-conscious around someone when you realize you have feelings for them :uhoh:.
So Yue is Hajime's "type?" What part of her is? The petite bust, blonde hair, cute voice, or being a vampire :twitch:?
TBH, one of biggest problems with this adaptation I have (besides MANY others :D ) is that whoever is dirrecting the VA isn't doing a good job. Sure Yue can be cute and all and does look like being barely a teen, but she is also DOMINANT in their relationship. So Yue can both be the cute girl and the DOMINANT MATURE VAMPIRE SEDUCTRESS exuding sex-appeal. And she basically goes that mode whenever "mood strikes her" no matter who else is present. And whoever is directing the VA is utterly FLUBBING this aspect of her.
I wouldn't even say Yue is his type, but there is entire bit where multiple times in the vol 1. Yue is being her seductive self and Hajime is going all "I'm not a lolicon, I'm not a lolicon, I'm not a lolicon..." :D
What's the purpose behind watching what Hajime's classmates are up to trying to clear the dungeon he almost single-handedly cleared? Are we supposed to be invested in them succeeding together and growing while being completely oblivious to what's going on with Hajime? Just not quite sure where they're going with this :eyebrow:.
TBH, it's got nothing much to do with what is happening. Hell as I said when I talekd with xrick, we are HIGHLY unlikely now to be able to speedrun 3 novels to meet up with them. Manga for example completely ignores this entire thread. Now this thread DOES have some moments, but it's mostly focused on hiw Kaori is dealing with what happened to Nagumo, how the rest of the class is dealing with it and it further highlights the difference in raw firepower between them. That bear could probably kill a significant portion of their team.
Of course the novels lader do do things with them, but we'll likely be adapting only 3 out of like 10 or so novels.
They sure glossed over what Hajime learned from Oscar. I guess what the church told the kids wasn't exactly accurate? Maybe that'll be where Hajime reunites with his old class...
Just in case this is revealed later (it's revealed right now in the novels) and it really shouldn't be a spoiler at this point:
At this point Oscar tells whoever managed to clear his trial the TRUTH about this world's gods. It's that they, or probably just ONE being is a sadistic douchebag that has been PLAYING with the mortal races here for milenia, pitting the different races one against the others in a series of bloody RELIGIOUS/RACIST wars. And apparently he enjoys the most building up heroes only to watch them fall or something. And this is probably the fate that awaited the classmates. Of course Orcus doesn't say that because it's a recording.
The "Maverics", actually they called themselves The LIBERATORS, were a group of people who all for some reason or other were born with weird magic and then one way or another discovered the terrible truth of their world. They tried fighting against the gods, but then the asshole used some sort of mass hypnosis and pronounced the Liberators as dangerous Heretics who are trying to destroy the world, so now their countries their friends and families wanted them dead. Instead of fighting them straight on, which they might have done but would cause MASSIVE casulties, they decided instead to retreat into dungeons they made which will protect their special magics and evaluate potential candidates on criteria will they be able or willing to try to fight the god. At the end of each dungeon the person who was able to best it's trials would be given their special magic.
It is their hope that at some point some brave sould or group of souls bests all the Labyrinths and gains all the powers and is able to destroy the evil entity causing so much harm to the world and it's people for so long.
Of course Hajime gives excatly ZERO shits about any of that and he pursues the Labyrinths in hopes one of the special magics is the one that would allow him to go home.
The montage of Hajime and Yue living their lives in the mansion while also preparing for the rest of their adventures was interesting. As much as they were preparing for their next dungeon it also kind of seemed like they were enjoying life as newlyweds :D.
Hajime was enjoying being jumped by Yue and "drained" a LOT. :D
Our main pair finally get their official outfits, which was cool, and they both look pretty snazzy, especially Yue. I guess they used the material they had to make her new clothes? I doubt Oscar had a skirt and high-heeled shoes among his clothes. Or maybe he did :eyespin:.
I THINK it was actually Yue who did the needlework on these, but the designs were most probably Hajime's since he is a massive chuuni. Though he doesn't notice it...somehow.
The dude went from edgy to edgelord in the span of an episode, I mean, not only does he get a metal arm, but he also gets a gem for an eye with an eyepatch and weapons no one in that world has because they are all designs from earth, did he also make a nuke just in case?:heh:
Not a nuke per say, but he does have artifacts like one which he used to CASUALLY mow down an entire demonic invasion in one press of a button...
What do you expect from a MASSIVE chuuni otaku :D
By the point of the implied sex with the loli and the convenient super special power up you can really tell where the author of the LN was mentally when writing this shit.:heh:
Oh the author is a self admitted MASSIVE chuuni that writes things the way he likes them. So of course the focus is on getting chuunier and EDGIER :D
Also, the bad cg in this episode didn't feel like someone was throwing glass in my eyes for once, just sand, so I guess that's an improvement?:confused::heh:
Eh. It seems they didn't even bother making special models for some of thing (ESPECIALLY the truck) but just tossed in prefabs they god from the Unity store or something. Like the jeep is inspired by HUMMVE but it's not a literal one. It's actaully CHUNKIER.
It's one of his classmates from episode 2 I think, the one who ran away from the sword girl screaming "it wasn't my fault!" or something.
Yeah, the idiot that touched that crystal teleporting them to the Behemoth. The idiot that also was covering on the ground in this episode.
Not that Hajime really cares all that much about him.
I think I could take over the world too if I was in his shoes.
If we discount any celestial armies from the equation, he definitely could waste any army going after him. But he just doesn't care about that and it would be a chore ruling it all.
@4th Dimension...
As much as I enjoy such a clarifying post for anime-only viewers, wouldn't it be better for you to pay attention to potential spoilers?
This is the anime thread, after all...
As much as I'd like to say as much as you, as I'm also up-to-date with the licensed novels, I preferred to stay put for now, because Mods :heh:
4th Dimension
2019-08-06, 06:11
Eh. I tend to limit myself to saying thing that should have been mentioned by the Anime at this point. I do try to stay away from future events though don't expect too much sudden revelations cinsidering how broken OP we are already. Which should be already apparent since the classmates are at the point farthest anyone ever got into this Labyrinth, while Hajime just cleared things 135 floors DOWN from them :D
But yes I still plan not to talk about what is actually going to happen next :D
Then again this is such a crappy adaptation I doubt spoilers are really going to spoil much :D
Firefly00
2019-08-06, 08:07
Not a nuke per say, but he does have artifacts like one which he used to CASUALLY mow down an entire demonic invasion in one press of a button...
What do you expect from a MASSIVE chuuni otaku :D
Especially one who's acquired by necessity a healthy dose of Combat Pragmatism. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a good chuckle out of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark which is considered one of the best examples...
If we discount any celestial armies from the equation, he definitely could waste any army going after him. But he just doesn't care about that and it would be a chore ruling it all.
Amusingly enough, Oroku Saki (Shredder) gets a bit of this in the old TMNT animated series. The foursome find themselves in a parallel world where Krang won... and they find that world's Shredder stuck behind a desk, overwhelmed with paperwork. Upon finding out that they are in fact from a world where this isn't the case, he begs them to take him along. Nothing comes of that, as interesting as it would have been to see the prime-timeline Shredder be confronted with his 'future' self and his warnings about being careful what he wishes for...
I do try to stay away from future events though don't expect too much sudden revelations cinsidering how broken OP we are already. Which should be already apparent since the classmates are at the point farthest anyone ever got into this Labyrinth, while Hajime just cleared things 135 floors DOWN from them
Which fact should dissuade the rational among them from, to adapt an expression, giving Hajime guano. But, as I understand from prior events, some of them are going to end up demonstrating potentially-suicidal stupidity.
Frontier
2019-08-06, 14:07
TBH, one of biggest problems with this adaptation I have (besides MANY others :D ) is that whoever is dirrecting the VA isn't doing a good job. Sure Yue can be cute and all and does look like being barely a teen, but she is also DOMINANT in their relationship. So Yue can both be the cute girl and the DOMINANT MATURE VAMPIRE SEDUCTRESS exuding sex-appeal. And she basically goes that mode whenever "mood strikes her" no matter who else is present. And whoever is directing the VA is utterly FLUBBING this aspect of her.
I definitely think her aggressiveness came off well. She doesn't necessarily have the voice of a seductress but I think it fits her character design and personality as displayed in the anime.
I wouldn't even say Yue is his type, but there is entire bit where multiple times in the vol 1. Yue is being her seductive self and Hajime is going all "I'm not a lolicon, I'm not a lolicon, I'm not a lolicon..." :D
I guess he's more open about it in the anime :p.
I THINK it was actually Yue who did the needlework on these, but the designs were most probably Hajime's since he is a massive chuuni. Though he doesn't notice it...somehow.
I guess if all else fails, he's got a job as an amateur fashion designer ;).
Although Yue's outfit doesn't seem very Chuuni to me. Maybe if it was more elaborate but it seems more like something I could see an average girl wearing, at least if she was from a fancy or upper class background.
borisdrakoni
2019-08-06, 19:23
I THINK it was actually Yue who did the needlework on these, but the designs were most probably Hajime's since he is a massive chuuni. Though he doesn't notice it...somehow.
While Hajime is fully capable of building his own suit of Iron Man armor, everyday clothing is outside of his wheelhouse. Yue handled everything with their outfits. He is also acutely aware of his own appearance. Sadly the mirror scene didn't make it into this week's episode.
Although Yue's outfit doesn't seem very Chuuni to me. Maybe if it was more elaborate but it seems more like something I could see an average girl wearing, at least if she was from a fancy or upper class background.
Their outfits are actually styled after Old West fashion. For Yue, it's most noticeable in her blouse, whereas Hajime is basically wearing a standard gunslinger costume.
Frontier
2019-08-06, 21:41
While Hajime is fully capable of building his own suit of Iron Man armor, everyday clothing is outside of his wheelhouse. Yue handled everything with their outfits. He is also acutely aware of his own appearance. Sadly the mirror scene didn't make it into this week's episode.
Some things definitely need a woman's touch ;).
Their outfits are actually styled after Old West fashion. For Yue, it's most noticeable in her blouse, whereas Hajime is basically wearing a standard gunslinger costume.
Now that you point it out, I can totally see it :)
We know it's horribly edgy cliche because the author wants it so, but you have to consider everything, to make sense.
Yue is absolutely all in on Hajime, from their 1st encounter, to the point she had herself renamed by him. Since this is a girl who probably suffered a massive mental trauma up to that point, it's actually very expected. Remember the stages of grief and captivity do actually end up overwhelmingly over compensating in relationships.
Hajime though is still an immature teenager and only just realized he's on the bad end of a shotgun wedding. While Yue is absolutely rawring in newly-wed mode. Such innocents.
Haijime will eventually stop getting cold feet and accept the relationship...maybe haha.
Benigmatica
2019-08-11, 09:53
Just finished watching the first 5 episodes of Arifureta and while it's bad, this question bugs me the most.
I want to know that Yue had sex with Hajime Nagumo during the hot spring scene?
sierra117
2019-08-11, 10:09
Just finished watching the first 5 episodes of Arifureta and while it's bad, this question bugs me the most.
I want to know that Yue had sex with Hajime Nagumo during the hot spring scene?
Yes, they did
Just finished watching the first 5 episodes of Arifureta and while it's bad, this question bugs me the most.
I want to know that Yue had sex with Hajime Nagumo during the hot spring scene?
After his almost graphic description of what was touching what, you needed to ask this question? :twitch: :heh:
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Their outfits are actually styled after Old West fashion. For Yue, it's most noticeable in her blouse, whereas Hajime is basically wearing a standard gunslinger costume.
That wardrobe to me looked steampunk-ish. http://www.ministryofpeculiaroccurrences.com/what-is-steampunk/
borisdrakoni
2019-08-12, 04:40
That wardrobe to me looked steampunk-ish. http://www.ministryofpeculiaroccurrences.com/what-is-steampunk/
That makes sense. Steampunk is usually inspired by the 19th century Victorian era or the Wild West, so clothing that resembles the fashion of that time period isn't surprising.
FlameSparkZ
2019-08-12, 13:50
So, this week's episode was 95% recap and 2% new content...the remaining 3% are the OP and ED :heh:
But I did notice some slight changes during reused footage:
During the summoning of the class, Hajime was standing (maybe? couldn't quite see if it was him), and the classroom didn't explode.
Also, when Hajime shot the demon bear between the eyes, the bullet actually went it, instead of just lodging itself.
Minor changes, but it shows they care about improving what's already done.
4th Dimension
2019-08-12, 13:59
I'm honestly stumped why they'd think we need a recap. It's not like they adapted that much of the novel hahhahahah
On the other hand this is more concise than some of the narrative so far.
Anh_Minh
2019-08-12, 14:29
Production problems, probably.
Or because its Comiket Week currently in Japan, and Arifureta is getting promoted there.
You can see the cosplays from the events here,
https://twitter.com/ARIFURETA_info
https://twitter.com/OVL_BUNKO/status/1159663338181160961
https://twitter.com/OVL_BUNKO/status/1160022751916126209
https://twitter.com/OVL_BUNKO/status/1160418936908742656
https://twitter.com/OVL_BUNKO/status/1160748994856800256
https://twitter.com/neco_monro/status/1159706253439844352
https://twitter.com/meow_1410/status/1159692906355015681
So... What's that 2% of new content @FlameSparkZ was talking about?
5.5:
Well, talk about a recap is just repeating something, but that being said, I think it was good to clear misunderstandings with the In Media Res use.
To anime only, this can be a very helpful episode.
So... What's that 2% of new content @FlameSparkZ was talking about?
Shia.
So they teased what may be in store for next week :D
FlameSparkZ
2019-08-12, 16:16
So they teased what may be in store for next week :D
Probably.
The next episode should provide more development on the scene with Shia.
Lukes YGO & WS on YT
2019-08-13, 01:59
Well what a dose of expectation vs reality that was.
I was so hyped after seeing them complete all those preparations last week to only get this damn recap.
I don't hate the story, but the production of this anime is like something out of Girlish Number. Whatever the reason, you know you're at the death knell when you have to wedge in a recap 5 episodes in...and anyway it's a total hatchet job FOTM LN adaptation with direction and quality all over the place
All we got this week was a minute long scene with a new character and the potential exit point of that magic circle underground? And here I thought this series couldn't get any better LOL
FlareKnight
2019-08-19, 12:34
Wow...that was rushed. I think they covered a little under half the second arc in a single episode there. Although saying they covered it is probably debatable. This one just moved...almost to the point that it felt like a slide show of highlights of scenes they could have done but just decided not to. Shea just got launched into the show and onto the team.
Not sure what to even say about this one :heh:. They got out into the world, hit a small roadblock in that they can't access this dungeon until clearing the others, turned a race of rabbit people into psychopaths, and picked up a companion.
Much like the first episode, I think this really needed to be spread out over two. But it is what it is. Can only hope that other episodes turn out a bit better because they rushed like crazy through this part of the story.
FlameSparkZ
2019-08-19, 14:03
Ah, this episode sure brought back some good memories...I remember laughing so hard on this part with Hajime training the rabbit people when I was reading the web novel.
It's a shame it got rushed, but the main "plot points" are there, though they did cut a scene before Hajime, Yue and Shea entered the forest that was of small importance, but I guess they can mention that somewhere else :uhoh:
Overall, it was an okay episode...let's see how the next one turns out.
Some people on the Discord LN Server I frequent are raging like no tomorrow about how this episode skimmed over 40% of Vol02, according to conversations in J-Novel Club's Discord. And because that scene before the forest part was cut. I was also expecting it. Oh well...
Well, i am also unhappy that they cut the part out which happened between getting out of the Gorge and before entering the Forest.
But i guess, the adaptation studio didn't want the scene to go towards ruthless and gore side. And wanted to maintain i guess a somewhat "family-friendly" setting.
Young Shia was probably the best part of the episode.
4th Dimension
2019-08-19, 16:44
Oh man, people in other places seem to NOT LIKE Hajime's treatment of Shae. Though I'm not sure what did they expect from a person who cares for NOTHING or ANYONE other hand Yue and going home. Hell he doesn't even give two fucks about whoever hit him on the bridge at this point. And has said he'd murder ANYONE or ANYTHING that gets in his way, and nearly left Yue alone and in dark couple episodes ago.
That he'd run to save some random person who he'd just met family? Honestly given that Hajime right now is FULL ON in his MONSTER OF THE ABYSS mode, Shea might consider herself lucky she got away this easy for trying to obstruct him from going his way.
And yeah, this episode is BAAAD. They seem to have just ripped out some of the Shea scenes and COMPLETELY ignored pretty much everything else. I wonder how'd sensible should who expect him to be a goody two shoes ala Naofumi would react if they did the solders scene. Though I bet most would cheer given how they are painted.
I'm honestly not sure why did they even insert those screens with Verbergen people given that entire ARC was pretty much dropped.
Beastmen are pretty much stuck between Humans and Demons both considering them INFERIOR given that they can't use magic and routinely ENSLAVE or KILL any they come across. The only safe place for them is this Haltina forest, largely because it has an enchantment or something on it where any non beastmen won't be able to navigate it due to mists.
Beastmen have a custom where any child that mutates the ability to use mana (like Shea) is to be killed. Shea's family being the kind rabbits they are couldn't do it so they kept her a secret. But recently it got out and they had a choice either be or let Shea be killed or run away with her into exile out of the forests which are the only safe place for Beastmen.
As they exited the forest they ran into a unit of uniformed solders on a mission to gather and enslave beast-men outside of the forest. They tried running but the only way they could run is down into the Reisen Gorge, a place infamous for magic being next to unusable and filled with much higher level monsters than what you'd expect on the surface. Yue ran in because she had a premonition she'll run into someone who'd save her and who she'd fall in love and travel with (the people her mom promised her).
Shea DID NOT KNOW where she'll run into these people. So she spent a LOT of time running about like a scared rabbit that she is, getting tossed this way and that untill she ran into Hajime and Yue riding on that motorcycle. Note that pretty much any other human (not counting solders and adventurers and like) dropped into this place would have been long ago DEAD let alone a frail looking rabbitwoman. The idiot is subconciously boosting herself.
I'm pretty sure they are even worse to her in other adaptations. She has to run after them and like.
The deal was: Hajime will protect them until they get him to the entrance into Haltina labyringh/the great tree.
When Hajime, Shea and some rabbit men exited the gorge they found the solders enslaving and doing "other things" to rabbit men they caught. They refused to let them go, thus activating Hajime's deal and a short fight erupted in which Hajime just slaughtered them all, except one who surrendered. He questioned him... and then blew him away since he did get in his way.
When they returned to the forest, they were intercepted by a group of beastmen sent by the beastmen leaders to track down and eliminate people who betrayed their laws (not killing Shea).
This is "resolved" by Hajime pretty much threathening to burn down the entire city of the Beastmen if they don't let Shea's people to lead him to where they promised.
Rabbitmen transformation. Rabbitmen by nature have several advantages. They are pretty quick, they are stealthy and finally they have excellent senses especially hearing. This is how they survive in a forest that also has tiger beast men and like who are MUCH stronger than them. But they are also incredibly pacifistic and their fight or flight reflex seems to have been firmly glued to FLIGHT.
Hajime pretty much BREAKS them through his Drill Sergant Nasty routine of bullying them, slapping them and drilling into them their new way of thinking and living. They now use their excellent stealth and senses to STALK their prey and slowly pick on it until it's on it's last legs at which point they saunter in for the kill.
And as you have seen they have gotten psychotic. Also, before this the top dogs were probably the bearmen (we've seen these) but after they try to purge Shea's family despite what Beastmen council said, they learn that the scariest thing in the forest now are after images of rabbit ears and their sadistic grins in darkness...
This is the kind of bonkers that happens around Hajime, and even HE is put off by how MUCH he "SUCCEEDED" with them. Also it's a shame this didn't properly get adapted.
So now, while Hulias live in the forests, they aren't really part of the beastmen community, and also kinda look down upon everyone else... which won't become relevant in anime.
HighGuard
2019-08-19, 19:33
I just got into the LN because of this show and am so disappointed by how rushed they did this.
Wandering Soul
2019-08-19, 20:32
I really have to wonder what's the point of adapting something if you are going to rush it this badly.
I really have to wonder what's the point of adapting something if you are going to rush it this badly.
Maybe there are OVAs being planned for the funnier stuff like the parts just skipped.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-08-19, 21:46
This has got to be one of the WORST adaptations for an LN that i've seen in a long time. It's as though the studio never expected to do more then 1 season. It's a shame because the story is really good but this... this is just trash
Go0gleplex
2019-08-19, 22:19
This has got to be one of the WORST adaptations for an LN that i've seen in a long time. It's as though the studio never expected to do more then 1 season. It's a shame because the story is really good but this... this is just trash
I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling that way.
This is definitely one of those cases where if you don't have the time and budget to do things properly and not cut out half the bloody story, don't do the project. :twitch:
Frontier
2019-08-19, 23:22
In comes a busty rabbit girl in a skimpy outfit! Now that Yue's not naked, someone needs to take over the majority of the show's fanservice :heh:.
Man, I feel kind of bad for Shea. She tries her best but she hardly gets any acknowledgement for it. The worst that can be said about her is that she has a high opinion of her looks, which isn't all that unreasonable. But she's found love in her own way, even if it's not reciprocated, and people she feels companionship with, so that's a win in its own right :).
Hajime is definitely pretty far from your typical "hero." He's not interested in helping people or getting involved in anything that doesn't concern him or Yue, and even if he does help it'll have a bit of an edge to it. Makes early Naofumi look like a saint by comparison :eyespin:.
Although ironically Yue, having the more monotone and softer voice, seems to have a bit more of a heart judging by her eventually acquiescing to Shea and her reaction to the little girl with a flower. She won't coddle any other woman after Hajime though ;).
Yeah, Hajime likes 'em short and flat. Not that I disagree with Shea's assessment of herself :love:.
Yeah, I did get the feeling they were skipping a lot of content with all those scenes of stuff happening with no dialogue, especially with the long-eared folk the rabbitmen seemed very concerned about :eyebrow:.
Not really sure how to feel about Hajime turning a peaceful and loving race into a more violent and bloodthirsty one. But I guess he has his own potential personal army now :twitch:?
Hey, Sayaka Ohara as Shea's mom :D.
It's kind of interesting that Hajime is picking up more more "partners" on his quest to return home, even if they're unaware of what exactly that home is like. I guess Shea can always pretend she's a cosplayer :p.
Wow, that was bad, I mean they switched to text cards midway through the episode, and those jarring transitions made me dizzy.
I feel really bad for the fans of the source material. There's definitely a good story buried in here, but this adaptation is shit, sad to say. I'm still going to watch the rest of this though lol
Anyway, looks like Yue also learned how to use makeup in that dungeon, and this rabbit girl is annoying, I hope that part gets better next episode lol.
thundrakkon
2019-08-20, 03:49
As an anime only viewer, this series feels very disjointed, and I can't get into the story, whatever parts they actually have. They sometimes try to focus too much on Yue trying to do cute things, which throws the rest of the story off. In a way, it doesn't even fit, since Yue is hundreds of years old and not some child moe.
Right now, I'm enjoying Maou-sama, Retry! so much more than this, even though Retry's animation is horrible. It's just funny and doesn't try to be what it's not. It's just so much fun.
I know that there is a good story somewhere in Arifureta, but I just haven't seen it yet. I just don't feel any attachment to the characters.
4th Dimension
2019-08-20, 04:52
I really have to wonder what's the point of adapting something if you are going to rush it this badly.
Marketing. For the suits who tend to order these LN anime adaptations seem to be just there to advertise the novels or manga. And you can see how marketing driven it is given the scenes chosen. They think that the main drive of these novels is the harem of cute girls, so they are the most prominent thing and only scenes related to them are allowed to be shown.
Also probably the reason why they are rushing so much so they can show all of the core waifus.
Maybe there are OVAs being planned for the funnier stuff like the parts just skipped.
Well, there have been a bunch of short animations on twitter of all places animating some scenes, and TBH these are better quality than this nonsense.
Hajime is definitely pretty far from your typical "hero." He's not interested in helping people or getting involved in anything that doesn't concern him or Yue, and even if he does help it'll have a bit of an edge to it. Makes early Naofumi look like a saint by comparison :eyespin:.
Naofumi is a goody two shoes and the situation he is in is allowing him to do his goody parts more than his ass parts. Hajime... broke COMPLETELY in the abyss to the point he is the Monster of the Abyss rather than anything resembling his old self. Hell I don't think he can be considered human any longer. He isn't hiding his caring beneath the armor of edge, he just doesn't care about anyone but scant few people.
So yeah, he is definitely not your "I'm so edgey, but I help everyone even if they don't have anything in it for me" hero.
Although ironically Yue, having the more monotone and softer voice, seems to have a bit more of a heart judging by her eventually acquiescing to Shea and her reaction to the little girl with a flower. She won't coddle any other woman after Hajime though ;).
We haven't seen the solders scene where he casually executes a surrendered foe who got in his way. Most LN heroes would justify letting that man go, or imprisoning him or something. Hajime just blew him away after he got the answers from him. It even made Yue flinch.
Part of the reason she accepts Shea and later others is that she want Hajime to mellow out a bit so they can have a life, and adding attachments to him seems to help with that. And that's in part why she is okay with Shea joining. And she is impressed how quickly OP Bunny got good enough.
Yeah, Hajime likes 'em short and flat. Not that I disagree with Shea's assessment of herself :love:.
NOT A LOLICON, ABSOLUTELY NOT A LOLICON :D
Yeah, I did get the feeling they were skipping a lot of content with all those scenes of stuff happening with no dialogue, especially with the long-eared folk the rabbitmen seemed very concerned about :eyebrow:.
Long eared folk? We've seen the bear men... ah, those are elves who are also considered beast kin by Demons and Humans. So I don't "spoil" let's just say that Hulia at that point were outlaws since they haven't kiled Shea when they learned she can do magic. This is the reason they were on the run and why Shea was in the gorge trying to find help. Not that we see much of anything of Hajime doing his end of the bargain. And oh yeah, the elf is pretty much the leader of the council governing the beast folk.
For more see my spoiler text in my last post. It contains just the info about loads of shit they cut.
Not really sure how to feel about Hajime turning a peaceful and loving race into a more violent and bloodthirsty one. But I guess he has his own potential personal army now :twitch:?
Well... it's not like he needs an army. At this point he is a LITERAL ONE MAN ARMY as we'll see in the arc after this one. On the other hand he did make a bunch of sadistic SpecOps wetwork operatives, and flipped the entire power balance of the Woods, given that now the top predators FEAR the most the fleeting glimpses of rabbit ears and their sadistic laughter from bushes.
It's kind of interesting that Hajime is picking up more more "partners" on his quest to return home, even if they're unaware of what exactly that home is like. I guess Shea can always pretend she's a cosplayer :p.
I mean he KNOWS what his home is. He wants to go back to Japan, Earth. It's the entire reason for doing more Labythinths. Since Orkus one gave him a special magic, others will probably do the same, and one of them might have the spell for travel between worlds.
Now how would he fit in in Japan any longer... that is a genuine worry he tries really hard to keep buried deep.
Anyway, looks like Yue also learned how to use makeup in that dungeon, and this rabbit girl is annoying, I hope that part gets better next episode lol.
Well, Yue used to be a princess and a ruler, so I'd think she'd know about makeup :D She just didn't have the chance while they were trying just to survive :D
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-08-20, 06:23
As an anime only viewer, this series feels very disjointed, and I can't get into the story, whatever parts they actually have. They sometimes try to focus too much on Yue trying to do cute things, which throws the rest of the story off. In a way, it doesn't even fit, since Yue is hundreds of years old and not some child moe.
Right now, I'm enjoying Maou-sama, Retry! so much more than this, even though Retry's animation is horrible. It's just funny and doesn't try to be what it's not. It's just so much fun.
I know that there is a good story somewhere in Arifureta, but I just haven't seen it yet. I just don't feel any attachment to the characters.
Thank you because this is my point. It's a fantastic story but they've screwed it up so badly that it looks bad. This is a 3 episode arc and they slammed it into 1 and didn't even do a good job of it.
moridin84
2019-08-20, 06:39
Mostly sad about the rush because it cut down Shia's screentime.
They ramped up Shia's cutesy-ness a bit too high I think.
Although it resulted in this so I can't complain.
https://i.imgur.com/SID54GZ.jpg?1
This one image makes it worth watching the previous 5 episodes.
Well, Yue used to be a princess and a ruler, so I'd think she'd know about makeup :D She just didn't have the chance while they were trying just to survive :D
She definitely didn't have anything on her when Hajime took her out of that dungeon so either she had Hajime make them for her, which is likely or she found some in that mansion :heh: :heh:
Firefly00
2019-08-20, 10:19
Marketing. For the suits who tend to order these LN anime adaptations seem to be just there to advertise the novels or manga. And you can see how marketing driven it is given the scenes chosen. They think that the main drive of these novels is the harem of cute girls, so they are the most prominent thing and only scenes related to them are allowed to be shown.
Also probably the reason why they are rushing so much so they can show all of the core waifus.
So the questions have to be asked:
does this kind of hack job, which is disrespectful of the artists and writers who put so much work into the original material, actually work? do these people actually do any research into what draws people to the source material in the first place, or are they living proof of what assuming? what would happen if the majority of LN artists/writers said 'adapt it right or don't bother' and stuck to their guns?
Hajime... broke COMPLETELY in the abyss to the point he is the Monster of the Abyss rather than anything resembling his old self. Hell I don't think he can be considered human any longer. He isn't hiding his caring beneath the armor of edge, he just doesn't care about anyone but scant few people.
So, to sum up (again): whoever thought it'd be a good idea to try and kill him (pushing him into the abyss, knowing full well that rescuing him would be nigh-on impossible for them) came this close to, well, Creating Their Own Villian/Nice Job Breaking It, Hero. On which note, I have to wonder if there's an isekai wherein this does in fact happen...
Well... it's not like he needs an army. At this point he is a LITERAL ONE MAN ARMY as we'll see in the arc after this one. On the other hand he did make a bunch of sadistic SpecOps wetwork operatives, and flipped the entire power balance of the Woods, given that now the top predators FEAR the most the fleeting glimpses of rabbit ears and their sadistic laughter from bushes.
This instance of Gone Horribly Right amuses me. Had it included extensive use of red-trimmed black and a certain logo including a scorpion's tail and a chamfered triangle, that... would have been icing.
I mean he KNOWS what his home is. He wants to go back to Japan, Earth. It's the entire reason for doing more Labythinths. Since Orkus one gave him a special magic, others will probably do the same, and one of them might have the spell for travel between worlds.
And if I recall correctly, he'd like to make sure that they can't recall him. This could be accomplished by either ensuring nobody can use such a ritual, or making very clear that they would not long survive doing so.
Now how would he fit in in Japan any longer... that is a genuine worry he tries really hard to keep buried deep.
With all the isekai out there, I'd be disappointed if some writer out there isn't seriously considering this a plot seed in its own right...
Magewolf
2019-08-20, 11:51
With all the isekai out there, I'd be disappointed if some writer out there isn't seriously considering this a plot seed in its own right...
Already been done. The world of Hagure Yūsha no Esutetika had so many returning isekai protagonists(who stayed powered up even back home) that they had set up a school system for them.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-08-20, 12:44
Mostly sad about the rush because it cut down Shia's screentime.
They ramped up Shia's cutesy-ness a bit too high I think.
Although it resulted in this so I can't complain.
https://i.imgur.com/SID54GZ.jpg?1
This one image makes it worth watching the previous 5 episodes.
As far as cuteness goes i wouldn't go there but okay
So the questions have to be asked:
[LIST] does this kind of hack job, which is disrespectful of the artists and writers who put so much work into the original material, actually work? do these people actually do any research into what draws people to the source material in the first place, or are they living proof of what assuming? what would happen if the majority of LN artists/writers said 'adapt it right or don't bother' and stuck to their guns?
So, to sum up (again): whoever thought it'd be a good idea to try and kill him (pushing him into the abyss, knowing full well that rescuing him would be nigh-on impossible for them) came this close to, well, Creating Their Own Villian/Nice Job Breaking It, Hero. On which note, I have to wonder if there's an isekai wherein this does in fact happen...
To answer your first point. I don't honestly believe the writers of LNs care as much about anime's as you would think. I think for them, just seeing their story made into an anime is a big enough deal that how good it does doesn't matter. Especially in today's society where they know it will never get to completion.
To answer the second point. The whole idea of doing what that guy did was to kill him. the fact that it backfired is another matter entirely.
Getting back to the horrific rush job, I'm beginning to understand why they're doing it and the problem was they got too few episodes. In 13 episodes they couldn't reach the intended point without shredding stuff. It's not uncommon but it's annoying practice. I think the last 3 episodes give or take will be CRITICAL to the plan
4th Dimension
2019-08-20, 12:48
So the questions have to be asked:
does this kind of hack job, which is disrespectful of the artists and writers who put so much work into the original material, actually work? do these people actually do any research into what draws people to the source material in the first place, or are they living proof of what assuming? what would happen if the majority of LN artists/writers said 'adapt it right or don't bother' and stuck to their guns?
1st: It probably works somewhat. Sometimes it's enough for some part of the audience to be exposed to the hook to go and check the novels out. Hell we've had here in this thread people who said they thought the concept interesting and even though the anime is bad the concept got them to go check it out. Now it would of course be much better if it's done competently, but by this point bland workmen like adaptations are a thing some studios do.
2nd: I mean, they are probably not wrong that harem shenanigans are one of key bits of Arifureta, but basing it on JUST THAT is bad yes.
3rd: In a way this is a case of writter trying to assert his view over the production. He got the initial script and storyboards and designs and didn't like them one bit and demanded a rework. And so they did. We'll never know how actually bad or were they even worse than this nonsense rather than just uninspired. But it's highly likely that in a process of trying to have a second studio rework things to tehnically appease the writter they made things even WORSE. I'm half thinking that all the CGI monsters are CGI because the second studio didn't have time to do proper animation on them so they went with cheap off the shelf models with no textures.
Also you never really know how good or bad the anime will be. At the point the writter is let know how it might look it might be waaaay too late to correct and your publisher has already spent a lot of money on this, so it's either publish it or record all that money as a loss.
So, to sum up (again): whoever thought it'd be a good idea to try and kill him (pushing him into the abyss, knowing full well that rescuing him would be nigh-on impossible for them) came this close to, well, Creating Their Own Villian/Nice Job Breaking It, Hero. On which note, I have to wonder if there's an isekai wherein this does in fact happen...
This instance of Gone Horribly Right amuses me. Had it included extensive use of red-trimmed black and a certain logo including a scorpion's tail and a chamfered triangle, that... would have been icing.
Considering that the being who brought them is a sadistic bastard who brought them mostly to suffer, the Gone Horribly Right/Bad depending on view extends to multiple levels :D
And if I recall correctly, he'd like to make sure that they can't recall him. This could be accomplished by either ensuring nobody can use such a ritual, or making very clear that they would not long survive doing so.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't start thinking of that untill near the end. Long way from here.
Well, @ImperialFlameGod8190, if A Sister is all I Need serves as an example...
There MAY BE LN Writers out there yearning to see their works adapted to anime, only to see their wishes come true in the most twisted way possible.
You believing that, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, seems quite small thinking in my book.
Arifureta's author must have (and may still be) suffering hell from this adaptation.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-08-20, 13:25
Well, @ImperialFlameGod8190, if A Sister is all I Need serves as an example...
There MAY BE LN Writers out there yearning to see their works adapted to anime, only to see their wishes come true in the most twisted way possible.
You believing that, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, seems quite small thinking in my book.
Arifureta's author must have (and may still be) suffering hell from this adaptation.
The only reference to this day and age is the fact that most stories will never be truly completed particularly LNs of the Length of Arifureta. The author's of LNs or long WNs are aware that seeing the whole story completed is impossible so seeing even a part of it done is still an amazing achievement.
The one who is narrow thinking is you by saying oh the author must be horrified that it's been messed up this bad instead of saying, it got animated and that is enough. What you're also forgetting is that as bad of a rush job as it is, there's still enough in there to make people want to read the real story.
Yeah, because anime-only folks and fans of a story can't enjoy good things, right?
«Here's your adaptation. Didn't like it? Wasn't good enough? Go read the source material!»
That's all we can get nowadays, I guess? Then I'm sorry if my thinking is narrow in your book.
Many people are quite demanding nowadays when it comes to adaptations, originals, games, whatever.
People like me simply wanted a decently adapted story. Is it asking too much? It seems so, to you.
And even if their stories never get fully adapted, has an author to feel satisfied with whatever half-baked adaptation falls on their laps? I don't think so.
4th Dimension
2019-08-20, 14:12
The one who is narrow thinking is you by saying oh the author must be horrified that it's been messed up this bad instead of saying, it got animated and that is enough. What you're also forgetting is that as bad of a rush job as it is, there's still enough in there to make people want to read the real story.
I mean, in this particular case we know the writter was very much horrified at the first version he was presented with...
But yes, I feel a lot of authors are just glad something of their own is getting adapted with might mean more royalties and more people giving the books a chance. After all there are FAR more LNs than adaptations which makes even bad adaptations stand out to people who are looking for something to read among the crowd.
Not that I don't understand your thinking. But does that justify screwing up adaptations?
Do anime-only folks and fans of such stories have to enjoy bad adaptations?
Not everyone reads novels or wants to. Heck, even I'm only reading a handful of novels.
Arifureta is one of such novels I'm following, and enjoying a lot.
So I can say that I'm VERY disappointed with the end result of this adaptation.
If I wasn't reading the novels already, I sure as heck wouldn't pick them up.
Anh_Minh
2019-08-20, 15:02
With all the isekai out there, I'd be disappointed if some writer out there isn't seriously considering this a plot seed in its own right...
How "seriously" do you mean? Because there's one where the returning protagonist tries to make a living as a youtuber, showing off his magic.
There's also more vanilla stuff where the protagonist just goes to school and meets superpowered girls (who weren't isekaied) and thinks they're chuunis for believing in magic.
Or you can get into the Chinese stuff where the protagonist is a returning cultivator instead of having RPG-like powers. There's a lot of those.
The Green One
2019-08-20, 15:26
Man sounds like they are really taking the chainsaw to this adaptation....
Haven't heard much to persuade me to start watching it and it seems to be lessening with every episode.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-08-20, 16:01
Not that I don't understand your thinking. But does that justify screwing up adaptations?
Do anime-only folks and fans of such stories have to enjoy bad adaptations?
Not everyone reads novels or wants to. Heck, even I'm only reading a handful of novels.
Arifureta is one of such novels I'm following, and enjoying a lot.
So I can say that I'm VERY disappointed with the end result of this adaptation.
If I wasn't reading the novels already, I sure as heck wouldn't pick them up.
Did you not read the post where i said this was one of the worst adaptations i've ever seen. This is unacceptable and a lot of us agree on that. I'm just of the belief that for a lot of these guys just getting one of the stories adapted is a privilege.
Firefly00
2019-08-20, 16:12
How "seriously" do you mean? Because...
-examples redacted-
Yes, thank you... so between those and, as Magewolf points out, Hagure Yūsha no Esutetika, folks did consider it, and moved beyond the theoretical exercise. Good to know.
I admit I may have skimmed through it, since I pay more attention to the Novel Thread :heh:
Yeah, the number of authors that end up disliking the end result is a modest fraction of them all.
Especially if the adaptations of their stories end up being decent-to-good.
But there have been cases of LN authors lashing out at the staff or something, as in cases like Rail Wars and Mahou Sensou.
It definitely may be an honor to many of them, but to others it might've been their major goal all along, and see their efforts so poorly rewarded only screws their motivation to keep working.
But I was also talking about how people only see these series as promotions to the source materials and tend to forget the anime-only folks and diehard fans of each story.
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-08-20, 19:00
I admit I may have skimmed through it, since I pay more attention to the Novel Thread :heh:
Yeah, the number of authors that end up disliking the end result is a modest fraction of them all.
Especially if the adaptations of their stories end up being decent-to-good.
But there have been cases of LN authors lashing out at the staff or something, as in cases like Rail Wars and Mahou Sensou.
It definitely may be an honor to many of them, but to others it might've been their major goal all along, and see their efforts so poorly rewarded only screws their motivation to keep working.
But I was also talking about how people only see these series as promotions to the source materials and tend to forget the anime-only folks and diehard fans of each story.
Anime-only folks wouldn't realize the significance anyway they'd just see that something is wrong like the guy who posted on the other page. Fans like us will know that it's messed up but also know that they've rushing it for a reason and hope that reason is enough.
Chosen_Hero
2019-08-20, 20:34
LN readers keep saying that this series is actually good but from what I have seen so far of the plot and writing and what I can piece together about it, I feel like even if they had done a proper adaptation it wouldn't have been the shining diamond the LN readers make it out to be. At best, it feels like it would be the case of if this adaptation is a turd, then the adaptation that the LN readers wants would just be a polished turd.:heh:
ImperialFlameGod8190
2019-08-20, 23:43
LN readers keep saying that this series is actually good but from what I have seen so far pf the plot and writing and what I can piece together about it, I feel like even if they had done a proper adaptation it wouldn't have been the shining diamond the LN readers make it out to be. At best, it feels like it would be the case of if this adaptation is a turd, then the adaptation that the LN readers wants would just be a polished turd.:heh:
You know as well as anybody that the first arc of LNs like this aren't as good because they need to establish the harem girls and the world they're in which is basically what they did. It's that second section that really makes the story good and this one is no different.
4th Dimension
2019-08-21, 01:42
Eh. If by first section you mean the first novel and second section you mean the rest, then ehhh. Consensus seems to be that most people think first novel is good, but for a lot of people the quality drops off in the rest of the novels.
They proffered the time when Hajime had to survive, while in the rest he is pretty much broken OP with couple of speedbumps (man just almost SINGLE HANDEDLY cleared the actual Orcus Dungeon when closest anyone in humanity could get to the START of it is about 60/100 floors of the intro and that's with full parties, he is by definition one of strongest being in existence right now). In a way I like Arifureta precisely because we get to see the MC indulge in his chuuni preferences and go around the world being a One Man Army doing what he wants. It's not really deep, but it's a tasty treat to me, the ridiculousness of it.
So I can't say, as someone who has read the source, that Arifureta is good as in a deep reading. But I can say I found it a FUN one, mostly because it's rare that the writer is brave to let the MC have it his way. Also it's fun when everyone is running fantasy tropes and the MC totes around missile launchers and rides about on a motorcycle/truck/???.
Everything So True Story, @4th Dimension. Totally agreed.
And I gotta admit I let myself fume a little yesterday.
Here I was complaining about the pacing when I wanted the adaptation to go up to Vol04 :heh:
Given many people's preferrences, it's only natural that Vol01 would get priority pacing-wise.
Still, I'm on the opposite camp. I think the story got better from Vol02 onwards.
4th Dimension
2019-08-21, 03:54
Better be careful what you wish for or we'll get to vol 4 by doing 2 episodes per volume :D
The preference basically boils down to what do you prefer since Arifureta kina switches genres after vol 1. Vol 1 is basically Dark Souls Iron Man mode. You are thrown into an unfeeling kill or be killed world with some ways to get better, so GIT GOOD SCRUB :D
Problem is you were thrown somewhere in the swampy depths of Arnor Londo with starting gear. And then once you beat your way past may bosses there and are almost at the end game state, you are thrown back out into the FireLink shrine :D The OH SO POWERFUL Gargoyles die in two hits :D So it's no longer so much about survival as it is the world and other people reacting to this human shaped arguable MONSTER that has emerged from the ABYSS :D
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