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Darksider555
2019-03-01, 16:17
This is a thread to discuss High School DxD Light Novel DX volume 5.

Please stay on-topic and discuss what happens in this volume.

No shipping talk
No pointless chatter
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No asking about when translations will be done
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--That thing must be sealed.

--Important thing, related to the strongest Hakuryuukou of all times...

--If it comes to light, an irreversible incident will unfold.

--That notebook with 3 volumes!..

High school D×D DX 5

I, wear no panties. –Ophis

I thought about learning flower arrangement as a training in homemaking arts.
–Rias Gremory

This was an omen of danger.

Mobile, you say? Is it something robotic? –Seekvaira Agares.
Flower arrangement = mobile. Tea ceremony = operation (of a machine), this was how she perceived it. (just a pun, these words have the same reading).

This! It’s stylish. –Head of the blast school of flower arrangement, Bakusan Umeko
Stylish flower arrangement expert also enters the stage.

U-fu-fu, playing tag with Va-kun. –[Ice Princess] Lavinia Reni
Perhaps, this woman, who is like elder sister to him, is the only weakness of the strongest Hakuryuukou.

Isaiah is…into BL!!... –Kiba’s comrade, Tosca
Clutches of evil approach the helpless girl by means of Kiryuu.

This is a kitchen knife version of Blazer Shining Darkness Samurai Sword! And this one is Disaster of Burning or Freezing Pot, lady! –Ex-governor of Grigori, Azazel.
Nostalgic days will also be included.

…For the sake of Rias-neesan I have no choice but to become a girl. –Kiba Yuuto
A knight’s loyalty is absolute.

Elaine! To think you would come here! –Le Fay Pendragon

It’s been a long time, Le Fay-sama. …And you too, Arthur-sama. –Maid of the House of Pendragon, Elaine Westcott
The maid from Pendragon came to see how Le Fay is doing.

Well, listen to my request, Sekiryuutei. –Bikou

I’m not a kappa!! –Current Sagojou

Nice to meet you, I’m kappa. –Salamander Tomita.

Hey, onee-san over there, please, step on me while saying “you ugly bastard”. –Chohakkai

Hyoudo Issei will look after various people.

…I’m a fan of Salamander Tomita-san. –Toujo Koneko
She is a big fan of his.

And underwear with a fully visible butt…so there was something like that, huh. –Xenovia (before taking “Quarta”)
She was enjoying shopping with friends.

Tosca-san, may Heaven protect you--. –Shidou Irina
Before believer Irina was unexpectedly acting as an [angel].

Sorry, but we’d like to ask Hyoudo Issei a favor. –Cao Cao
Sekiryuutei truly had it tough.

You there! Stop whispering! …Being an examiner is also difficult. –Rossweisse
However, she looked like one.

In order to get a new Bishop I want to hold a test. And I’d like you to help with this. –Riser Phenex

An important role of a judge! I’ll do it splendidly! –Asia Argento

I-I wonder if I’m suited for being a judge… --Gasper Vladi
Requests like this piled upon Ise and the rest over and over again.

Schedule management is hard! Hard, I tell you! –Ravel Phenex
Sekiryuutei’s manager was desperate too.

……… --Dog God of the Black Blade, Jin
Long time no see, Jin-chan. –Himejima Akeno
Jin became completely attached to Akeno.

The food here is delicious. –Ingvild Leviathan
Her comrades also recommended that restaurant.

Ny-ha-ha! Sekiryuutei sure has it tough! – (Toujo) Kuroka
This time there’re somewhat many interactions with Kuroka.

I will take Hero faction’s trial! – (Current) Zhuge Liang
This is Koumei’s—(another name for Zhuge Liang)

Uooooooooooooh! –Yukionna Kristie
It’s snow gorilla.

U-ho-ho-hoooooooo! –Yukionna Stephanie
It’s snow gorilla.

Who…am I? –Birdman, Takahashi Sky
It’s Nagoya Cochin.

……… --Honda the Headless
Honda appears after a while!!

Bapple-e-e-e! –Sairaorg Bael
Bapple-kun comes out!

Alltight! First of all is shopping for Ophis’ living! –Hyoudo Issei.
It was an incident that happened when Ophis started living at Hyoudo residence.

And so I came to promote this power. –Longinus [Unknown Dictator]’s possessor ???? ???
The person who came to promote himself to the Phoenix team under Ruval Phenex is…

…I see, so there’s a Longinus in this country… Arthur Pendragon
The truth revealed to him in a country he visited—

I think about introducing a new member. –Vali Lucifer
The person suddenly introduced by Vali is…

Why everyone—

Asks me to help with this and with that?

But Sekiryuutei is the one who, if asked, will do it thoroughly.

A story that picture’s everything form chaotic requests to chaotic daily life--

Parry999
2019-03-01, 16:31
Wow new Vali team members. More screen time for new strongest queen cool.

Lucidrago
2019-03-01, 16:32
Look like Riser's bishop audition will finally be in this volume.

I knew it! Kiba is going to become Yumi and They're going to separate. I can just see it.

Well I just think it's one new team member. Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing aren't really new. Maybe it's Elaine.

Raptor178
2019-03-01, 17:28
When was the rule added that novel illustrations can't be posted? I assume that images from LNs are being treated as the raws or translated text themselves.

cyberdemon
2019-03-01, 18:34
Look like Riser's bishop audition will finally be in this volume.

I knew it! Kiba is going to become Yumi and They're going to separate. I can just see it.

Well I just think it's one new team member. Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing aren't really new. Maybe it's Elaine.

Perhaps it is just the chapter when the gun was actually created

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-03-02, 10:38
A summary of one of the confirmed short stories for DX.5 done by Riku on Discord.

Flower Arrangement of the Princesses:
Rias, Sona, and Seekvaria are having a chat in an underworld cafe with their knights as bodyguards. Seekvaria’s Knight is Bafeel Fercas who is the younger sister of Sairaorg’s Knight Beruka Furcas. The topic was just teenage girls stuff and post war treatment, but changes to about bridal training. Rias remembers how Issei's mom talked about her training, so Rias wants to learn as well to be a proper wife, as she wants to be an educated Japanese wife with proper Japanese knowledge such as flower and tea ceremony, because she’s marrying a Japanese man, she wants to have enough knowledge so she doesn’t shame this land. Seekvaria misunderstands flower arrangement as for robots due to pronunciation issues. Sona ask Rias why not ask Akeno for lessons, but she says that Akeno doesn’t have any style as she just imitates or she herself is trying to find someplace to learn. Sona decides to take her to one and join her as they're friends, and Seekvaria decides to join as she spends too much to in her lab, so experience other cultures could be fun.

They invited all the girls from their peerage to join them, but they decline as this should be something for the kings to experience, but their knights will join them to act as bodyguards. Issei wasn’t told as this is for him and she’s training to be his future wife, as he is their future husband Kiba was embarrassed as he was the only guy there, decided to use the gender swapping ray on himself to join them even though he never planned on using it again as he must fulfill his duties as a knight. Everyone is wearing kimonos, including Kiba who is wearing one for the first time, so he’s unfamiliar in it. Tomoe took a picture of Yumi in a kimono on her smartphone. They arrived at a school that is willing to teach flower arrangement to even devils, knowing that they allowed devils gives Kiba a bad feeling. The door opens and a middle aged woman Bakusan Umeko wearing a kimono and a head vase and she releases an aura which Kiba says it’s a dense aura that a teacher shouldn’t give and he no longer sees this a teacher for a flower classroom. Their test is to release their aura, so she can evaluate it. They must show their auras as it’s needed to learn here. They do it, and their aura destroys the entrance and their surroundings. They pass the first test.

Inside the school appears to be a spacious wooden dojo room, where all the woman wearing kimonos are using flowers as swords and vases. Kiba sees lots of people doing fighting poses. The teacher says that every day the students train as if preparing for combat and flowers are the most important aspect of their training. The teacher allows the students to use props to help encourage their imaginations, which Kiba questions in his mind what is the actual meaning. Umeko asked if they know the origin of flower arrangement and Sona gives an in depth explanation. Kiba thinks to himself that he expected a normal Japanese class, where people simply sit and perform flower arrangement, what he’s seeing makes him think they're in a warrior and ninja school. Rias thinks this is all part of flower arrangement and Kiba is worried on how gullible Rias is with Japanese stuff and how she became like this. Umeko says that the old way of flower arrangement is dead and this school discovered a new way of training. Umeko gives a Japanese Linguistic lesson on how scent, handsome, and flowers are similar to each other. Rias thought this was a wonderful atmosphere, and Seek have prepared an army of prototype robots. Kiba thinks this is going to give bad memories.

Rias meets another student who is describe to be arrogant. Both Rias and she enter a stage where they will practice flower arrangement. Both are given flower-shaped swords and are given an explanation about the sword's origins. On a table there are flowers, fruits, and vegetables. And with those swords they must prepare them. Rias gets the first move and decides to use the sword to pierce a bamboo shoot. She gets 40 points. Kiba is shocked as the sight of piercing a bamboo shoot with a flower sword felt surreal and that there is a point system. The student then started sweating and used the sword to pierce a watermelon which caused to bloom like a flower and split into 8 equal pieces gaining 40 points too. Kiba is confused as they're using bamboo and watermelons to arrange flowers, and said that if Issei were here, he'd question all this aloud, and Kiba misses that Issei isn’t here to question all of this. Kiba sees Seekvaria has put one of her robots on the tip of her flower sword. Sona thinks she made a mistake bring them here. Kiba and the other knights dont know how to properly respond to this situation. During Rias' battle, apparently that bamboo shoot from the very beginning has grown thanks to the spiritual power of the sword plus bathing in her own aura has grown to become a miracle which causes Rias wins. The student mentions that who she fought was the weakest one of the 4 Heavenly Kings, the other 3 will now challenge her, which she accepts. Sona smiles seeing how happy Rias is and admits to being a little jealous on how so much in love she is. Kiba and the other knights decide to join her in this unconventional flower classroom.

Kiba is at Issei's house and sees the bamboo shoots that Rias pierced. Rias is happy of her work and has done the flower arrangement to the entrance of the house. Rias decides to challenge all the other schools. Kiba as her knight has to accompany her, Kiba remembers all that they were taught and questions as a man when will he ever used them.

Lucidrago
2019-03-02, 19:05
Poor Kiba. Hope there's going to be an illustration of Yumi in DX5.

I understand it's a play on words but shouldn't devils perfectly understand other languages and have no need to speak any other language than their own? Or was that an excuse just so Issei could understand foreigners speaking foreign languages when he just became a devil.

HenriqueMota97
2019-03-03, 13:00
When you turn into a Devil, one of the unique ability you attain is “Language”. The moment you turn into a Devil, everyone in the world can understand what you are saying. People listening to you will hear it in the language they are most familiar with. If they are American, then they will hear it in English. If they are Spanish, then they will hear it in Spanish. And also the opposite. If they speak in a language besides Japanese, you will hear it in Japanese.”

Yeah, its happening just like Buchou said.

During the English lecture, I heard everything in Japanese. I was shocked. When I was told to read an English paragraph by the English teacher, I somehow read it and all of my classmates looked shocked.

Of course they would. Since I can speak English naturally now, so obviously my classmates will be shocked.

Even the teacher froze because of it.

Well, the letters and vocabulary didn’t change to Japanese because it’s limited to sound only.

But that’s good enough. It’s too amazing if I can exchange language anywhere in the world.

Just like that, I turned into an “international” high school student without any requirements.

Lucidrago, Language only changes the sound.

Imagine Breaker
2019-03-03, 16:28
^So, something like an audio auto-translator huh..

bluestahli1
2019-03-04, 09:54
Like Kiba, I too, question that flower arrangement class..

Lucidrago
2019-03-04, 20:23
So Kiba is acting as the straight man in Issei's place, huh?

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-03-19, 10:48
Unknown Dictator name is Magnus Ross (マグナス·ローズ ) He's a White Male CIA agent

In UK, Arthur meets with the Current Head of the Pendragon Family and Elaine is at the sidelines. Alphecca Tyrant is related to the British Royal family. The British Royal Family have hid its info so Heaven and Grigori are having difficulties finding it. The Head told Arthur if he can handle Alphecca Tyrant, he'll recognize their relationship, which causes both Arthur and Elaine to blush. The Head asked Le Fay if she's in love with Issei. Arthur thinks about the Welsh Dragon origin in myth and their connection with their family. Arthur then wonders if Le Fay will become a Devil, while their parents are still human, and because of their values are different than their father. Arthur wonders how will the future will develop.

At the end of the Preliminaries, Vali has recruited Salamander Tomita and the Ninja Master from DX.2 to his team.

Everyone is looking at pictures of Rias' bridal training during Flower Arrangement and sees Yumi in those pictures. The girls believe Yumi in a kimono is a strong enemy.

After Vali learned that Lavina has his old books, he constantly sent assassins to attack her. It ended when Lavina froze Vali

Issei and Rias have been eating at several restaurants. They arrive at another restaurant where they see Cao Cao, Vali, and 16-17 year old Genbu. There's a subtle atmosphere between Vali and Genbu. Benbu's blushing while Vali said it was just a chanced encounter.

Issei on the roof drinking cola and thinking about the Longinus. His mom and the Loli 3 came to the roof to dry the washed clothes. Issei saw a pair of black panties and thought of the First Errand SS.

Issei got Ophis' clothes back from drying and sees the 3 Lolis (Ophis, Lilith, Kunou). And feels at peace looking at them. His mom says to get his clothes too and she'll help. Issei is happy with this daily peaceful life.

Resurrected: Between 17-19 (No definitive timeframe in when)
Unknown Dictator: During Azazel Cup Qualifier
Maid of Pendragon: Between 17-19 (No definitive timeframe in when)
Collbrand: Post Azazel Cup Qualifier
Sleepover of a Gifted Person: Between 17-19 (No definitive timeframe in when)
Salamander Tomita: Post Azazel Cup Qualifier
Dark History: Some time after V24 where the books were introduced
Restaurant: Post Azazel Cup Qualifier
Super Hero Trial: Between 24-25 (No definitive timeframe in when)
Infinity Underwear 1: Current Time
Infinity First Errand: Post V12
Infinity Underwear 2: Current Time
Because Ishibumi was sick, Dx5 was released instead of Shin 3 and SD 4. As of now, he's working on them, and hopes fans enjoy 2nd Kyoto trip and the Kunou(Yasaka) volume.

Done by Riku on Discord.

cyberdemon
2019-03-19, 11:36
The idea of Le Fay possibly becoming part of Issei's peerage was finally put forward in story

AzazelDxD
2019-03-19, 11:50
The idea of Le Fay possibly becoming part of Issei's peerage was finally put forward in story

Or maybe in Rias Peerage.. Seems that the perfect evil piece for her is BISHOP..

She is in the Azazel Cup as Vali Bishop..

Parry999
2019-03-19, 12:01
Vali dafuq assasins.

XFire
2019-03-19, 12:45
Vali boi what is you doin'

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DragoMuseveni
2019-03-19, 12:55
I wonder what are those books about that would make Vali like that :heh:

Tyrant Ruler
2019-03-19, 13:12
lol that book must have some big crazy thing for vali to hired assassin's these 2 are funny lol

thefreakmike
2019-03-19, 13:27
It has all of his chuuni phrases, like some of the stuff he said to Issei back when he first appeared XD

TheWu8128
2019-03-19, 14:53
Or maybe in Rias Peerage.. Seems that the perfect evil piece for her is BISHOP..

She is in the Azazel Cup as Vali Bishop..

Or she could just be Ise's pawn? I agree a bishop piece would be best, but a pawn piece would have the same effect maybe even better with her talents. Using the Azazel Cup as a basics for her to be a Bishop is bad idea, especially with how a persons piece can be switched in the tournament.

cyberdemon
2019-03-19, 15:57
Rias trades Rose to make a peerage most influenced by her and not just Issei. For her to pick up Le Fay would go in the wrong direction. Le Fay would probably benefit as a pawn because it could give her more flexibility with her summons

Hakai
2019-03-19, 16:18
After Vali learned that Lavina has his old books, he constantly sent assassins to attack her. It ended when Lavina froze Vali


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Inb4 Ise vs Vali ends with Ravel reading those books in front of everyone to defeat the strongest Hakuryuukou.

B214
2019-03-19, 19:51
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Inb4 Ise vs Vali ends with Ravel reading those books in front of everyone to defeat the strongest Hakuryuukou.

Assuming if she can beat lavinia.

Lucidrago
2019-03-20, 02:17
Rias trades Rose to make a peerage most influenced by her and not just Issei. For her to pick up Le Fay would go in the wrong direction. Le Fay would probably benefit as a pawn because it could give her more flexibility with her summons

How would the rook or knight pieces possibly help with her summons?

Again a pawn would have to promote which they can't do whenever unless their name is Issei.

So I would think she would become Vali's bishop if he receives a set of evil pieces. Or either Valerie makes an immortality potion for Le Fay that halts her human aging process so she can live for thousands of years.

Yes finally we have an American Longinus possessor! :heh:

I wonder what Alphecca Tyrant does since It's a Holy Relic.

ValixGenbu seems like a good ship.

So that's who Vali has recruited to his team.

Emperor of D.
2019-03-20, 03:22
Are you serious Ishibumi? Arthur is actually getting the Longinus Alpha Tyrant? As if the guy wasn't strong enough as it is and yet didn't give Irina Incinerate Anthem.

Lucidrago
2019-03-20, 04:17
Are you serious Ishibumi? Arthur is actually getting the Longinus Alpha Tyrant? As if the guy wasn't strong enough as it is and yet didn't give Irina Incinerate Anthem.

Really wouldn't make sense to give the self-proclaimed angel more potential than Xenovia.

And nothing is confirmed about that.

AzazelDxD
2019-03-20, 04:27
Or she could just be Ise's pawn? I agree a bishop piece would be best, but a pawn piece would have the same effect maybe even better with her talents. Using the Azazel Cup as a basics for her to be a Bishop is bad idea, especially with how a persons piece can be switched in the tournament.

Maybe you are right in that.

Rias trades Rose to make a peerage most influenced by her and not just Issei. For her to pick up Le Fay would go in the wrong direction. Le Fay would probably benefit as a pawn because it could give her more flexibility with her summons

Interesting.

bluestahli1
2019-03-20, 04:52
Vali belongs to Ise

B214
2019-03-20, 06:09
Or it is actually Ise that belongs to Vali.

Lucidrago
2019-03-20, 06:28
Or it is actually Ise that belongs to Vali.

Not all of Issei. Just his butt. :heh:

Emperor of D.
2019-03-20, 06:56
Really wouldn't make sense to give the self-proclaimed angel more potential than Xenovia.

And nothing is confirmed about that.

Xenovia already has more potential than Irina due to having Durandal and now she has Excalibur. Giving Irina Incinerate Anthem would definitely been better than giving it to Lint.

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 07:40
How would the rook or knight pieces possibly help with her summons?

Again a pawn would have to promote which they can't do whenever unless their name is Issei.

So I would think she would become Vali's bishop if he receives a set of evil pieces. Or either Valerie makes an immortality potion for Le Fay that halts her human aging process so she can live for thousands of years.

Yes finally we have an American Longinus possessor! :heh:

I wonder what Alphecca Tyrant does since It's a Holy Relic.

ValixGenbu seems like a good ship.

So that's who Vali has recruited to his team.

You don't know how a Rook or Knight piece can help a summon? :confused: I hope your joking, you read the story correct? You don't know how the Evil Pieces work? You should really read the story you wouldn't have to ask certain questions.

@AzazelDxD If she joins Issei's peerage a Pawn, or she could get a piece from Vali I'm pretty sure he got evil pieces

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-03-20, 07:58
@TheWu8128 What are you talking about? If Le Fay joins Issei's Peerage as a Pawn she can't join Vali's (If he chooses to have one) as a Bishop. You can't be apart of 2 Peerages at the same time.

TommyG
2019-03-20, 08:03
I see her joining as Rias' bishop or Vali's. Rook, knight or pawn don't seem like the right fit for her.

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 08:23
@TheWu8128 What are you talking about? If Le Fay joins Issei's Peerage as a Pawn she can't join Vali's (If he chooses to have one) as a Bishop. You can't be apart of 2 Peerages at the same time.

This should go without saying but obviously, I mean she can join as Issei's pawn or as Vali's Bishop. Where did you read me saying she would be part of both :confused: were did I even imply her being in both of their peerages? I think your confused or misread?

@TommyG Why would she join Rias when she could join Issei or Vali? A Pawn piece would suit her or any mage type well. Also think you misunderstand the Rook and Knight argument as well. I'm not saying she should be a Rook or Knight. Her being a Pawn she could take advantage of Queen, Rook, Bishop and Knight power which would help with her summons

AzazelDxD
2019-03-20, 08:33
@AzazelDxD If she joins Issei's peerage a Pawn, or she could get a piece from Vali I'm pretty sure he got evil pieces

I can´t confirm it but I think that I heard that he received pieces the first time that Ishi mentioned that he is one ultimate class devil...

When he was mentioned as ultimate? I forgot it.. Maybe in the same volume that Issei was declared a high class devil or after that..

I see her joining as Rias' bishop or Vali's. Rook, knight or pawn don't seem like the right fit for her.

-Appear in the cup as BISHOP
-Arthur saying that she could become in a devil..
-Lives in Issei house(with issei&rias peerages), is not always with Vali

I think that following this the simplest option is make her Rias Bishop.. The bishop pieces seems perfect for her..

Unless Vali is forced to use his evil pieces(if he obtained them) to improve his team members(those who accept it) against one strong rival I can´t see him using the pieces only for one person(le fay) when Rias can make her a bishop too..

ANYWAY. The future will show us Ishi intentions..

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 08:47
I can´t confirm it but I think that I heard that he received pieces the first time that Ishi mentioned that he is one ultimate class devil...

When he was mentioned as ultimate? I forgot it.. Maybe in the same volume that Issei was declared a high class devil or after that..



-Appear in the cup as BISHOP
-Arthur saying that she could become in a devil..
-Lives in Issei house(with issei&rias peerages), is not always with Vali

I think that following this the simplest option is make her Rias Bishop.. The bishop pieces seems perfect for her..

Unless Vali is forced to use his evil pieces(if he obtained them) to improve his team members(those who accept it) against one strong rival them I can´t see him using the pieces only for one person when Rias can make her a bishop too..

ANYWAY. The future will show us Ishi intentions..

Her joining Rias peerage doesn't make sense to me, so your going to split her between 3 people? Rias Peerage, Issei's Contract Magician, and Vali's Team? I mean it is up to the author but that seems too congested :heh:. I have to say after reading your reasoning for her joining Rias peerage aren't good. Her being in the cup as Bishop means nothing, Rose was a Rook, Pawn, and Bishop piece in the cup she the best comp to Le Fay, Not to mention in story it been stated mage type characters are best suited for being Bishops or Pawns. Your only saying that because Rias has a Bishop piece and needs a Bishop, they really hasn't been any story reason for her to join Rias?

TommyG
2019-03-20, 08:51
Well Vali's team was a terrorist faction, and while granted they're all still loyal to him now that they have all joined the good guys there is nothing really forcing them to stay together is their? If she becomes a devil would she still need to have a contract devil?

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 09:14
Why would they leave? What reason do they have to leave? Do you have a reason for them to break up. I don't know why them being a former terrorist faction have to do with them breaking up now. They like Vali and go on adventures with him.

TommyG
2019-03-20, 09:35
Well presumably if Le fay joins Issei's peerage she will leave because she's a part of his team now, same as if she joins Rias' peerage.

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 09:40
Well presumably if Le fay joins Issei's peerage she will leave because she's a part of his team now, same as if she joins Rias' peerage.

That doesn't mean she has to leave Vali's Team? She can still go on adventures with Vali. I'm confused on how you guys snuck Rias into the conversation thats a weird leap to me. Just because she has a Bishop that makes her a candidate? Story-wise I understand Vali because she been traveling with him. I understand Issei because Arthur has pretty much given her to him, but Rias is out of left field.

Tyrant Ruler
2019-03-20, 09:54
Well presumably if Le fay joins Issei's peerage she will leave because she's a part of his team now, same as if she joins Rias' peerage.I don't think that can stop her being on a team with vali , being in issei peerage that only participate when theirs rating game is one thing and being on a team who's like an adventure team that travels the world is another thing. It's like if akeno decide to be party of gregory but still be in rias peerage. Plus issei will never stop le fay going on a adventure with the vali team at all.

TommyG
2019-03-20, 10:01
That doesn't mean she has to leave Vali's Team? She can still go on adventures with Vali. I'm confused on how you guys snuck Rias into the conversation thats a weird leap to me. Just because she has a Bishop that makes her a candidate? Story-wise I understand Vali because she been traveling with him. I understand Issei because Arthur has pretty much given her to him, but Rias is out of left field.

I'm not saying she has to leave Vali's team, you said it doesn't make sense to split her between Rias, Issei and Vali, I was pointing out that if she joined Rias' peerage there is no reason she has to stay with Vali, she can still go on adventures with Vali but if she were to join Rias peerage she wouldn't nessiceraly have to.

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 10:11
I'm not saying she has to leave Vali's team, you said it doesn't make sense to split her between Rias, Issei and Vali, I was pointing out that if she joined Rias' peerage there is no reason she has to stay with Vali, she can still go on adventures with Vali but if she were to join Rias peerage she wouldn't nessiceraly have to.

Which goes to my point why would join Rias Peerage in the first place? You can't really answer that beside her having a Bishop piece. But the best bet is she joins Issei Peerage if she joins any. The author has been leaving little hints, this was just another one. And stop with the perfect piece stuff was Rose perfect piece a Rook?

TommyG
2019-03-20, 11:16
There could be any reason Ishi likes that she joins Rias' team, maybe she gets mortally wounded and Asia's not around so Rias reicarnates her to save her life, or any number of other situations. Rose wasn't the perfect rook but that's a poor example since that was the only piece Rias had left, if she had never recruited Asia and could afford Rose for 1 bishop do you honestly think she still would have given her the rook piece? Granted the same logic could apply to Le fay, since Issei doesn't have a spare bishop he reincarnates her with something else but since Rias does have a spare bishop I'm betting that's the piece she gets. What hits has Ishi been leaving that Le fay will join his peerage? He's hinted (or more like full blown stated) Le fay loves him, like Irina (not in his peerage) or Kuroka (not in his peerage) and he's now hinted that she could become a devil, like Kuroka (not in his peerage) or Akeno (not in his peerage) so what hints are you referring to that suggest she will be in Issei's peerage over say Rias' or Vali's (should he have/get one)

bashkim1234
2019-03-20, 11:16
If she wants to join a team, she will joned Ise team. Rias´s team does not make sense.

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 12:00
There could be any reason Ishi likes that she joins Rias' team, maybe she gets mortally wounded and Asia's not around so Rias reicarnates her to save her life, or any number of other situations. Rose wasn't the perfect rook but that's a poor example since that was the only piece Rias had left, if she had never recruited Asia and could afford Rose for 1 bishop do you honestly think she still would have given her the rook piece? Granted the same logic could apply to Le fay, since Issei doesn't have a spare bishop he reincarnates her with something else but since Rias does have a spare bishop I'm betting that's the piece she gets. What hits has Ishi been leaving that Le fay will join his peerage? He's hinted (or more like full blown stated) Le fay loves him, like Irina (not in his peerage) or Kuroka (not in his peerage) and he's now hinted that she could become a devil, like Kuroka (not in his peerage) or Akeno (not in his peerage) so what hints are you referring to that suggest she will be in Issei's peerage over say Rias' or Vali's (should he have/get one)

So ass-pulls pretty much because that what your doing :heh:. I knew you missed the point after your first comment I knew you wouldn't get it. Rose is the example because a Rook isn't her perfect piece a Bishop or Pawn piece would be. She's the best comp to La Fey that's why I used her, also how do you know that even if Rias had a Bishop it would have been enough for Rose, Rias was worried the Rook wouldn't have been enough. Not to mention all of this is getting away from my point which you missed. La Fey would be perfectly fine with a Pawn Piece, it was stated in story a Bishop or Pawn piece would have better suited a character type similar to her. You guys are saying perfect piece, I'm saying you don't need a "perfect" piece she can join Issei Peerage as Pawn and be fine. If want to argue Rias over Issei or Vali you need more then that because story wise that make sense. There has been no real character interaction between Rias and La Fey to even bring up Rias as a candidate beside her having a Bishop Piece :heh:. Back to the hint part read the volume were they created DxD I know that's going to be wasted on you because it doesn't out right say it, but its there.

TommyG
2019-03-20, 12:12
So you don't have any real reasons? Just wishful thinking and Rias has a Bishop piece so she join her :heh:. I knew you missed the point after your first comment I knew you wouldn't get it. Rose is the example because a Rook isn't her perfect piece a Bishop or Pawn piece would be. She's the best comp to La Fey that's why I used her, also how do you know that even if Rias had a Bishop it would have been enough for Rose, Rias was worried the Rook wouldn't have been enough. Not to mention all of this is getting away from my point which you missed. La Fey would be perfectly fine with a Pawn Piece, it was stated in story a Bishop or Pawn piece would have better suited a character type similar to her. You guys are saying perfect piece, I'm saying you don't need a "perfect" piece she can join Issei Peerage as Pawn and be fine. If want to argue Rias over Issei or Vali you need more then that because story wise that make sense. There has been no real character interaction between Rias and La Fey to even bring up Rias as a candidate beside her having a Bishop Piece :heh: Back to the hint part read the volume were they created DxD I know that's going to be wasted on you because it doesn't out right say it, but it there.

I think I must have missed your point, your saying there is no reason to join Rias' peerage over Issei's correct? What reason does she have to join Issei's? Because she loves him? So do Irina and Elmenhilde. Because a pawn piece fits her? As well as a bishop piece will? You clearly didn't read what I said in any great detail as I said "and could afford Rose for 1 bishop". Where was it said that if you fit a bishop you'd fit a pawn? I never said I had any reason to believe she would join Rias' peerage beyond she seems like a bishop but I also don't see how you can claim she should join Issei's peerage when the key arguments for why she should join don't apply to other characters (loving him). Can you actually provide a quote since according to you I will miss it?

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 12:24
I think I must have missed your point, your saying there is no reason to join Rias' peerage over Issei's correct? What reason does she have to join Issei's? Because she loves him? So do Irina and Elmenhilde. Because a pawn piece fits her? As well as a bishop piece will? You clearly didn't read what I said in any great detail as I said "and could afford Rose for 1 bishop". Where was it said that if you fit a bishop you'd fit a pawn? I never said I had any reason to believe she would join Rias' peerage beyond she seems like a bishop but I also don't see how you can claim she should join Issei's peerage when the key arguments for why she should join don't apply to other characters (loving him). Can you actually provide a quote since according to you I will miss it?

I'm asking why bring up Rias in the conversation period over Issei or Vali. I never brought up anything about her loving him as a reason to join, you brought that into the argument. I said she can be a Bishop or Pawn and it doesn't match. The bold part you definitely don't understand. Rose is a example for my main point, La Fey can be a Pawn just fine because a similar type of mage was stated in story to have been suited as a Bishop or Pawn and yes it is in the story go look for it, I'm not quoting anything go do the work yourself :heh:.

TommyG
2019-03-20, 12:50
Actually I didn't bring Rias into the conversation, Azazel DxD did, so your saying my only argument for why she could join Rias' peerage is because she has a free bishop but your argument for why she should join Issei is because he has free pawns? Ok. Your making statements and refusing to provide evidence to support them so why should I believe your statement? I don't remember it ever being said that a mage suited bishops or pawns in any of the 27 volumes.

DragonIsseiHyodoFan
2019-03-20, 13:15
Actually I didn't bring Rias into the conversation, Azazel DxD did, so your saying my only argument for why she could join Rias' peerage is because she has a free bishop but your argument for why she should join Issei is because he has free pawns? Ok. Your making statements and refusing to provide evidence to support them so why should I believe your statement? I don't remember it ever being said that a mage suited bishops or pawns in any of the 27 volumes.

But making Le Fay join Rias doesn't make sense since she wants to create a peerage without Issei's influence. It makes more sense to join Issei or Vali than Rias because she knows them more. Pawns can still gain the same benefits as a bishop once promotion is activated. And Le Fay was introduced as Issei's fan. Now if she was Rias' fan then I could see it. But Really I don't see her join Rias.

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 13:16
Actually I didn't bring Rias into the conversation, Azazel DxD did, so your saying my only argument for why she could join Rias' peerage is because she has a free bishop but your argument for why she should join Issei is because he has free pawns? Ok. Your making statements and refusing to provide evidence to support them so why should I believe your statement? I don't remember it ever being said that a mage suited bishops or pawns in any of the 27 volumes.

Then I'm not talking to you then, also your the one that jumped into discussion and you have been arguing for Rias. Who said that her reason for joining Issei is because he has free pawns :confused:. Firstly I'm not saying just Issei, she could join Vali's if he has pieces instead. Secondly she actually has character development with those 2 people so why would they not be the first 2 choices? Third you should go back to the first page and see how the discussion got started, and why did you jump into the discussion in the first place if you didn't know what was being discussed? I don't care what you believe, I know where everything I stated is in the story. And it is stated so I'm assuming after this post your done right?

@DragonIsseiHyodoFan That's all I was saying

TommyG
2019-03-20, 13:29
Then I'm not talking to you then, also your the one that jumped into discussion and you have been arguing for Rias. Who said that her reason for joining Issei is because he has free pawns :confused:. Firstly I'm not saying just Issei, she could join Vali's if he has pieces instead. Secondly she actually has character development with those 2 people so why would they not be the first 2 choices? Third you should go back to the first page and see how the discussion got started, and why did you jump into the discussion in the first place if you didn't know what was being discussed? I don't care what you believe, I know where everything I stated is in the story. And it is stated so I'm assuming after this post your done right?

@DragonIsseiHyodoFan That's all I was saying

It's a public discussion, that means anyone can voice their opinions on any subject related to the specific forum, in this case will Le fay be reincarnated and by Who? I know what was being discussed. Vali over Rias sure but what development has she got with Issei? She's his fan sure but that's played no role in the story so far, she's his contract magician? Again something that has played no role in the story so far. Have they had any intimate or one on one moments since she became his magician?

If you know exactly where it is in the story what's the problem with telling me where to look?

DragonIsseiHyodoFan Ishi could litteraly make up any story where Rias recruits Le fay, it doesn't have to have anything to do with Issei, does being in love with him instantly remove her as a candidate?

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 13:41
It's a public discussion, that means anyone can voice their opinions on any subject related to the specific forum, in this case will Le fay be reincarnated and by Who? I know what was being discussed. Vali over Rias sure but what development has she got with Issei? She's his fan sure but that's played no role in the story so far, she's his contract magician? Again something that has played no role in the story so far. Have they had any intimate or one on one moments since she became his magician?

If you know exactly where it is in the story what's the problem with telling me where to look?

DragonIsseiHyodoFan Ishi could litteraly make up any story where Rias recruits Le fay, it doesn't have to have anything to do with Issei, does being in love with him instantly remove her as a candidate?

Just because you can doesn't mean you should, that's a life lesson. Especially if you don't know what your talking about. If you don't consider La Fey and Issei as having development together, she would have even less with Rias so why do you keep arguing for her? Its not my job to do that I don't need your validation, the same way I reread the story you can too.

DragonIsseiHyodoFan
2019-03-20, 13:41
It's a public discussion, that means anyone can voice their opinions on any subject related to the specific forum, in this case will Le fay be reincarnated and by Who? I know what was being discussed. Vali over Rias sure but what development has she got with Issei? She's his fan sure but that's played no role in the story so far, she's his contract magician? Again something that has played no role in the story so far. Have they had any intimate or one on one moments since she became his magician?

If you know exactly where it is in the story what's the problem with telling me where to look?

DragonIsseiHyodoFan Ishi could litteraly make up any story where Rias recruits Le fay, it doesn't have to have anything to do with Issei, does being in love with him instantly remove her as a candidate?

But you really have to look at it. Why she would join Rias? What influence can Rias give that Issei and Vali haven't. Vali was her leader and Issei was her hero. Like I said....Rias wants to make a peerage that didn't have influence by Issei or anyone else. She wants to create a peerage due to her influence...Her strength...Her leadership. Like the people before Issei joined her peerage. They all had a desire to serve and protect Rias due to what Rias did for them.

TommyG
2019-03-20, 13:48
But you really have to look at it. Why she would join Rias? What influence can Rias give that Issei and Vali haven't. Vali was her leader and Issei was her hero. Like I said....Rias wants to make a peerage that didn't have influence by Issei or anyone else. She wants to create a peerage due to her influence...Her strength...Her leadership. Like the people before Issei joined her peerage. They all had a desire to serve and protect Rias due to what Rias did for them.

You make a good point but until Le Fay is actually recruited by anyone I'm not going to rule it out, like I said it could be something introduced in a later volume that causes Le Fay to want to join Rias, I'm not sure what it would be right now but it could be anything.

Though out of curiosity what reasoning would you say has Issei influenced her? She's a fan of his show but iirc that's not played a significant role in the series nor has her being his contract magician.

TommyG
2019-03-20, 15:15
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://highschooldxdfc.blogspot.com/&prev=search

Someone on crimson and darkness blog posted a translation of unknown dictator

Lucidrago
2019-03-20, 16:19
You don't know how a Rook or Knight piece can help a summon? :confused: I hope your joking, you read the story correct? You don't know how the Evil Pieces work? You should really read the story you wouldn't have to ask certain questions.

@AzazelDxD If she joins Issei's peerage a Pawn, or she could get a piece from Vali I'm pretty sure he got evil pieces

I know how the evil pieces work. I just asked how the rook and knight pieces will help her summoms. Okay, the knight piece I can see as she can potentially speed up the amount of time it takes to summon. But how does more offensive and defensive power for Le Fay help her summons? The traits of the evil piece won't transfer over to any summoned creatures.

I just think Le Fay is better suited as a bishop.

TheWu8128
2019-03-20, 16:39
I know how the evil pieces work. I just asked how the rook and knight pieces will help her summoms. Okay, the knight piece I can see as she can potentially speed up the amount of time it takes to summon. But how does more offensive and defensive power for Le Fay help her summons? The traits of the evil piece won't transfer over to any summoned creatures.

I just think Le Fay is better suited as a bishop.

You serious so you don't know how it works? Your statement says you don't know how the evil piece in the rating game works? I really don't feel like arguing about it so whatever

Lucidrago
2019-03-20, 18:06
You serious so you don't know how it works? Your statement says you don't know how the evil piece in the rating game works? I really don't feel like arguing about it so whatever

Bishop=Enhanced magical power

Knight=Enhanced speed

Rook=Enhanced offense and defense

Queen=Bishop, Knight, and Rook combined

Pawn=Ability to promote to bishop, knight, rook, or queen once they reach enemy territory or with king's permission.

I just asked you how the rook piece in any way helps Le Fay with summoning creatures. That's all. You take almost everything the wrong way and tend to be rude most of the time and refuse to hear the opinions of others.

XFire
2019-03-20, 19:36
Yeah, I'm actually with Lucidrago here. Le Fay gaining an Evil Piece wouldnt really benefit anything she summons, aside from Bishop maybe giving her more power to do so?

The Infinite Dream
2019-03-20, 19:45
I dont see how evil pieces could even effect summons. Either they have a contract to summon the being or they dont. The being they summon doesnt get the benefits of the evil pieces. Honestly depending on how strong her magic already is giving her a rook piece to increase her defense would be the best imo to balance her out. Most magic users tend to lack defense.

bluestahli1
2019-03-20, 19:52
She should start sucking Ise's fingers for a month or two and let's see if she gains anything.

Draigathar
2019-03-20, 20:19
speaking of Ise's dragon Ki i'm surprised Rias hasn't made a move or used it's power like something Akeno has.

As for Le fay if she joins and becomes a devil i think she'll end up as a few pawn pieces. That's if she decides to become a devil there's no one reason she can't stay human (though it seems she's part of the heavenly 12).

Palmito
2019-03-20, 21:20
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://highschooldxdfc.blogspot.com/&prev=search

Someone on crimson and darkness blog posted a translation of unknown dictator

I am the only one who thinks Ruval was kind of dumb here?

A CIA agent wants to enter in the tournament to gather information about some of the most powerful supernatural creatures that exist in the world, so them the USA can create a system of defense against supernatural beings, and he acts as if that were nothing. What??? Its the USA that we are talking about my guy. Do you really think that after the defense system they will not try to create weapons to fight against supernatural beings? Do you really think they're not going to try to attack some of the supernatural factions to get their resources? You are basically letting a future enemy gather information about most of your current fighting force.

The Infinite Dream
2019-03-20, 21:43
Not really thats your own personal bias. The British Government even has their hands on a longinous do you really believe they wont do the same thing? The US isnt even the first humans to create weapons that harm supernatural beings in DxD. It is basically nothing to him. His peerage could probably destroy the whole us like its nothing if he really wanted to.

Palmito
2019-03-20, 22:10
Not really thats your own personal bias. The British Government even has their hands on a longinous do you really believe they wont do the same thing? The US isnt even the first humans to create weapons that harm supernatural beings in DxD. It is basically nothing to him. His peerage could probably destroy the whole us like its nothing if he really wanted to.

1- Before your salty ass comes to create problems I want to make it clear that I only specified the USA because they are the country in question.

2- If we compare the level of the weapons that the US government can make against the weapons that humans have made so far... yeah.

3- Are you saying that Ruval's peerage could destroy the entire US? You mean in this moment in the story, right? And after a few years when the defense system and anti-supernatural beings weapons are ready? Can you still guarantee that the Ruval's peerage could easily destroy the US? Is it really worth the risk?

The Infinite Dream
2019-03-20, 22:29
When was i salty? I said thats your personal bias because it is. You automatically went to usa=enemy. This is a fictional story real world politics arent going to play much of a roll in it. If you cant figure out what I mean by them being able to wipe out the us if they cared to thats all on you. Stop getting defensive when you asked if you're the only one who thinks Ruval was dumb.

XFire
2019-03-20, 22:34
Just going to point out that given the limited success even the Grigori, a research lab with limitless funding run by immortal fallen angels with direct access to the works of God himself, have had at creating practical weapons on the scale to actually be useful in high-level combat, the idea that any human country, even the US, could successfully create a "defense system" that could hold back an Ultimate-class devil peerage, much less the Alliance, seems mildly far-fetched.

Palmito
2019-03-20, 22:36
When was i salty? I said thats your personal bias because it is. You automatically went to usa=enemy. This is a fictional story real world politics arent going to play much of a roll in it. If you cant figure out what I mean by them being able to wipe out the us if they cared to thats all on you. Stop getting defensive when you asked if you're the only one who thinks Ruval was dumb.

To me you seemed salty because I specified the US, and i went USA = Enemy because this is a very likely possibility if you use your brain. If they are desperately trying to create methods to defend themselves them why they would not create methods to attack?

" If you cant figure out what I mean by them being able to wipe out the us if they cared to thats all on you."

So explain?

The Infinite Dream
2019-03-20, 22:43
Explain what if theyre that scared of them creating anything they could go wipe them out its as simple as that.

Not to mention the devils and other supernatural beings probably have their own agents in the inner workings of the human world. So any supernatural being weapon they could create they'll know about it before its even done.

Again that's your personal bias that the US is an enemy in a fictional story about supernatural beings. You're bringing real world politics into fiction.

If you wanna argue more just glance at Xfires statement its pretty solid imo.

Palmito
2019-03-20, 22:50
Explain what if theyre that scared of them creating anything they could go wipe them out its as simple as that.

Not to mention the devils and other supernatural beings probably have their own agents in the inner workings of the human world. So any supernatural being weapon they could create they'll know about it before its even done.

Again that's your personal bias that the US is an enemy in a fictional story about supernatural beings. You're bringing real world politics into fiction.

Are you saying that they could simply annihilate a country in the human world, instead of preventing them from building up their weapons by not giving information to the enemy? Yeah, why not.

You're assuming they have people infiltrated. It is possible, but it is not a certainty.

I'm not bringing anything friend. It's just obvious. If they intend to create weapons to defend themselves obviously they will try to create weapons to attack too. This is just obvious.

Lucidrago
2019-03-20, 23:04
Just going to point out that given the limited success even the Grigori, a research lab with limitless funding run by immortal fallen angels with direct access to the works of God himself, have had at creating practical weapons on the scale to actually be useful in high-level combat, the idea that any human country, even the US, could successfully create a "defense system" that could hold back an Ultimate-class devil peerage, much less the Alliance, seems mildly far-fetched.

Human countries have created nuclear weapons that can destroy the world. Is it really all that far-fetched that they can create defense system against supernatural beings with current technology?

@Palmito That's assuming the U.S. is an enemy of the Underworld and that they can make a move against a supernatural faction so recklessly. From what Magnus said, it seems like there are certain figures in the U.S. that know about the supernatural world. That's not strange as we have had humans who have knowledge or connections with the supernatural world. The higher-ups in most countries most likely know about the supernatural beings but keep quiet about it to the general populace. But even though they have knowledge of the supernatural world, they let the supernatural world do as it pleases as long as it doesn't heavily affect the human world.

But since Trihexa, all of the major powers of the human world have been put on alert and while they aren't hostile to the supernatural world they are still preparing themselves to defend against it. Because what happens when a supernatural event occurs that affects the human world as much as it does the supernatural world? They can't just turn a blind eye to it anymore and need to be prepared just in case.

XFire
2019-03-20, 23:07
Okay, let's skip about a hundred steps, toss out the idea of basic human decency and common sense interfering, and make the massive assumption that the US will be able to make weapons able to equal or surpass the Longinus and Transcendants.

You are then making the additional leap in logic that they will then choose to engage the Alliance for no reason beyond paranoia that they themselves may be attacked. Engage an enemy that has multiple members capable of cracking the planet in half. Because they don't want to be attacked by said enemy. They'd have to be completely braindead.

The very fact that the real world, which is far more cynical and brutal than DxD's version of it, has not vanished into a nuclear hellstorm should rather soundly refute your hypothesis.

Human countries have created nuclear weapons that can destroy the world. Is it really all that far-fetched that they can create defense system against supernatural beings with current technology?.

Yes.

Issei was able to output more energy than the worlds largest nuclear bomb by an order of magnitude...in volume 2. IN BASE. Sacred Gears and various other powers can break the laws of physics over their knees with zero repercussions. Teleportation, erasure of matter, infinite energy, mind control, creation of infinite soldiers, etc. The US would be starting from scratch and trying to equal the works of actual gods.

Humanity can't do shit. Issei by himself in BxB could destroy our modern world in a matter of hours.

Lucidrago
2019-03-20, 23:14
Again if DxD is like our world, then humans created nuclear weapons which are capable of destroying the world like Longinus.

XFire
2019-03-20, 23:26
Again if DxD is like our world, then humans created nuclear weapons which are capable of destroying the world like Longinus.

No. Nuclear weapons can destroy the world....if we fire thousands and thousands of them all at once and they all successfully detonate over a great enough area.

A Longinus can destroy the world by punching the ground hard enough.

Again, Issei vaporizing that mountain in volume 2 required literally an order of magnitude more energy than the Tsar Bomba produced.

Lucidrago
2019-03-21, 03:40
Okay, let's skip about a hundred steps, toss out the idea of basic human decency and common sense interfering, and make the massive assumption that the US will be able to make weapons able to equal or surpass the Longinus and Transcendants.

You are then making the additional leap in logic that they will then choose to engage the Alliance for no reason beyond paranoia that they themselves may be attacked. Engage an enemy that has multiple members capable of cracking the planet in half. Because they don't want to be attacked by said enemy. They'd have to be completely braindead.

The very fact that the real world, which is far more cynical and brutal than DxD's version of it, has not vanished into a nuclear hellstorm should rather soundly refute your hypothesis.



Yes.

Issei was able to output more energy than the worlds largest nuclear bomb by an order of magnitude...in volume 2. IN BASE. Sacred Gears and various other powers can break the laws of physics over their knees with zero repercussions. Teleportation, erasure of matter, infinite energy, mind control, creation of infinite soldiers, etc. The US would be starting from scratch and trying to equal the works of actual gods.

Humanity can't do shit. Issei by himself in BxB could destroy our modern world in a matter of hours.

But could Issei destroy a city and kill everyone in there with that single shot from Volume 2 if you're saying that he had more energy output than a nuclear bomb back in Volume 2?

And didn't Issei only blow like a part off the Top of the mountain in Volume 2? You're saying human weapons can't do that?

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-03-21, 05:36
The current wielder of Alphecca Tyrant is a member of the British Royal Family which is why Heaven and Grigori cant find it, since the Royal Family have been preventing any information about it from being released. Arthur's father described the wielder as very annoying.

Arthur's father approves of his relationship with Elaine, but he can only marry her if he can deal with the problem with Alphecca Tyrant.

Also only Salamander Tomita joined the Vali Team, no Ninja Master.

Arthur/Le Fay's father is interested in Issei because he's the Welsh Dragon which can give him an edge with Wales and is thinking if he can marry Le Fay.

The Goristie's sister is living in the Phenex territory as Riser's "candidate" for his new bishop. She's not his bishop yet. She's described as a 16 year old blue haired girl.

Done by Riku on Discord.

Lucidrago
2019-03-21, 06:30
The current wielder of Alphecca Tyrant is a member of the British Royal Family which is why Heaven and Grigori cant find it, since the Royal Family have been preventing any information about it from being released. Arthur's father described the wielder as very annoying.

Arthur's father approves of his relationship with Elaine, but he can only marry her if he can deal with the problem with Alphecca Tyrant.

Also only Salamander Tomita joined the Vali Team, no Ninja Master.

Arthur/Le Fay's father is interested in Issei because he's the Welsh Dragon which can give him an edge with Wales and is thinking if he can marry Le Fay.

The Goristie's sister is living in the Phenex territory as Riser's "candidate" for his new bishop. She's not his bishop yet. She's described as a 16 year old blue haired girl.

Done by Riku on Discord.

That's just wrong Ishibumi. Possibly giving Riser a beautiful Yuki-Onna.

So Arthur just has to deal with the possessor of Alphecca Tyrant to marry Elaine.

Good to see that the England-Wales rivalry is still going strong.

Do you have any info about the Superhero Trial short story though?

XFire
2019-03-21, 07:03
But could Issei destroy a city and kill everyone in there with that single shot from Volume 2 if you're saying that he had more energy output than a nuclear bomb back in Volume 2?

And didn't Issei only blow like a part off the Top of the mountain in Volume 2? You're saying human weapons can't do that?

Yes, he could.

Issei vaporized a mountain. As in it ceased to exist. A nuclear bomb might be able to collapse the top of an average mountain by detonating on the surface, or shatter part of it by detonating inside. But vaporizing something requires exponentially more energy than either of those. No human weapon possesses a tenth of that firepower.

TheWu8128
2019-03-21, 07:18
Bishop=Enhanced magical power

Knight=Enhanced speed

Rook=Enhanced offense and defense

Queen=Bishop, Knight, and Rook combined

Pawn=Ability to promote to bishop, knight, rook, or queen once they reach enemy territory or with king's permission.

I just asked you how the rook piece in any way helps Le Fay with summoning creatures. That's all. You take almost everything the wrong way and tend to be rude most of the time and refuse to hear the opinions of others.

Your opinions I don't really care for because your wrong the majority of the time. But I must be wrong about summoning in Rating Games I thought the summoned monster takes on the Evil Piece of the summoner. I guess I was wrong? Also never said anything about giving her a Rook or Knight piece so don't know how that got brought up? I said a Pawn piece is just as fine as a Bishop I'm still saying that

Lucidrago
2019-03-21, 07:23
Yes, he could.

Issei vaporized a mountain. As in it ceased to exist. A nuclear bomb might be able to collapse the top of an average mountain by detonating on the surface, or shatter part of it by detonating inside. But vaporizing something requires exponentially more energy than either of those. No human weapon possesses a tenth of that firepower.

How can a mountain cease to exist consider it's not a living being?

Again you're still saying the power output of Issei's Dragon Shot in Volume 2 surpasses that of a nuclear warhead and the only evidence you're using is that he was able to vaporize earth. But again can he destroy a city with that blast? If not then the power output doesn't come close to that of a nuclear warhead.

Again you're still trying to say that Issei contains more firepower in base than a nuclear warhead. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds?

TommyG
2019-03-21, 07:38
Lucidrago, for what it's worth according to Google Japan is 145,936.53 square miles, 1 20 megaton nuclear bomb can destroy 2500 square miles of land so 145,936.53 divided by 2500 is roughly 59 nuclear bombs. According to Sona Serafall's sparkles could destroy Japan. I'm inclined to believe that if her sparkles alone could destroy Japan, then the supernatural world is considerably more powerful than the United States.

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-03-21, 07:41
Illustrations: https://imgur.com/a/b2bqSCf

@Lucidrago I do have some info about Superhero Trial but it is from the Japanese wikia so it is more about the characters and read using google translate so it might not be 100% correct so also take it with a grain of salt.

Superhero Trial is about the Hero Faction recruiting new members:

Zhuge Liang (Female descendant of Zhuge Liang) who has a Sacred Gear called Strategy Trap.

Momotaro (He has inherited the spirit of Momotaro) I think he has 3 companions that fight along side him most likely based the original Momotaro's companions: a dog, monkey and pheasant

The trial itself is split between a written exam and a physical one set by a current member of the Hero Faction with Momotaro having to take Hercules' trial while Zhuge Liang taking Persus' trial.

Both of them end up passing.

Another thing about Superhero Trial is that a character from another short story appears in it:

Oda (Female descendant of Oda Nobunaga) Think of her as Oda Nobuna from the The Ambition of Oda Nobuna light novel series (Which Miyama Zero also draws the illustrations for) but in modern time. I think she might be apart of the Hero Faction or she is aiming to join the Hero Faction.

XFire
2019-03-21, 07:50
How can a mountain cease to exist consider it's not a living being?

You...

You realize non-organic stuff exists, right?

Like, rocks exist. They aren't illusions. What?

Again you're still saying the power output of Issei's Dragon Shot in Volume 2 surpasses that of a nuclear warhead and the only evidence you're using is that he was able to vaporize earth. But again can he destroy a city with that blast? If not then the power output doesn't come close to that of a nuclear warhead.

I'm struggling to phrase this in a way that doesnt sound like I'm insulting your intelligence, but are you under the impression it takes more energy to destroy a city, a collection of buildings, than a billion tonnes of solid rock?

If you detonated the worlds largest nuclear warhead against the side of an average mountain, it would at most take a chuck out of its side. Issei vaporized it. As in it was gone. The energy required to do that is exponentially higher than would be required to simply shatter it, and a nuke wouldn't even manage that.

To put numbers to that, the largest bomb ever made had a yield of fifty megatons. To actually vaporize a mountain, it would require nearly a gigaton of energy.

Again you're still trying to say that Issei contains more firepower in base than a nuclear warhead. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds?

He.

Vaporized.

A.

Mountain.

No human weapon can come even close to that.

XFire
2019-03-21, 08:02
Also, since it seems some people are making some assumptions about nuclear bombs...


nuclear bombs don't vaporize stuff. Even when dropped in the middle of a city they leave rubble
The actual "explosion" part of a nuke is only a hundred meters or so at best. The "blast radius" is a giant shockwave made of air
"Blast radius" does not mean everything inside said radius is vaporized, it's how far a shockwave travels before ceasing to be meaningful


If you were on the other side of a mountain when a nuke went off, it wouldn't reach you in the slightest. The heat blast wouldn't penetrate, the shockwave would ricochet off the side, and the fallout would be blocked.

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-03-21, 08:06
@XFire and @Lucidrago Both of you are getting off topic now so probably best move this talk to another thread.

Lucidrago
2019-03-21, 09:04
I'll just say this. If the human world is almost exactly the same in DxD as the real world and they have made numerous advances in technology like we have through the years, it's really not far-fetched that the human world can research and create defenses against supernatural threats. It's not a guarantee that they can do it but that's why the U.S. sent Magnus to gather Intel on certain supernatural species. Just because they have never done it doesn't mean it can't be done. Especially with current technology that even those in the supernatural world uses.

I'm just surprised that Ishibumi would even mix in the major powers of the human world. I guessed that the higher-ups of the human world knew of the supernatural power. And certain humans and human organizations(non-supernatural) had dealings with the supernatural world. But it's interesting that Ishibumi would include the major powers of the human world and how they're dealing with the supernatural world and certain occurrences that have reached far into the human world like Trihexa.

I'm just glad we finally have an American.

Maybe Alphecca Tyrant is like Incinerate Anthem in which it chooses its wielder. Or the British royal family have kept it in their possession for centuries except that it hasn't chosen a possessor for the longest so the Grigori has had little chance to observe it as a Sacred Gear and see if it's Longinus-class until recently.

I wonder if the possessor of Alphecca Tyrant is male or female.

Feel bad about Ruval's car though. :heh:

XFire
2019-03-21, 09:12
Again, the idea that a human nation would be able to massively outpace the Grigori in terms of scientific advancement makes zero sense.

Modern technology is far below the capabilities of even a human wizard it's not funny. Any high-class devil and their peerage could run roughshod over the military power of our world.

Tacbon
2019-03-21, 09:33
@CCPDarkraiRules can you gave a link for DxD japanese wikia?

Emperor of D.
2019-03-21, 10:43
From what I saw of spoilers, Riser is looking for his new bishop but Rias can't help him because it would be seen as a scandal. I don't understand how it can be seen as a scandal if she helps him find a bishop.

bluestahli1
2019-03-21, 10:56
Team vali is starting to become a hotspot for ancient hero loli descendants, excluding that the red lizard has various lolis in his side.

Parry999
2019-03-21, 17:32
Other then the ancient celtic UK gods who are dead, Grigori basically are the top in the world in science. The American government would have to be run by wizards to be anywhere near that. Which it's far to late in the game to add something like that.

Ka-el
2019-03-21, 19:16
From what I saw of spoilers, Riser is looking for his new bishop but Rias can't help him because it would be seen as a scandal. I don't understand how it can be seen as a scandal if she helps him find a bishop.

Maybe it’s just an excuse Rias used to avoid helping him in finding another harem member of his peerage.


Anyway, I think that if Le Fay will become a devil she will be in Vali’s peerage. Considering that Vali is a battle maniac i’m sure he will desire to fight again in RGs in the future, he just have to say that he want his EP, he is an ultimate class devil after all. If the world will finally find peace RGs will be one of the few forms of fights he will have the chance to fight and he won’t miss it. You can say that it would be strange when she could be part of Issei’s peerage but this means nothing because Rias still has Akeno and Koneko that are part of the harem but still with her. Vali could have Kuroka and Le Fay without any problem.
About Le Fay joining Rias I doubt it, i’m sure that 2 of the 3 spots left will be taken by Tosca (for Kiba) and Valerie (for Gasper), no other harem members.

Anyway the term “handle” is quite ambiguous, Arthur has to use the Longinus or he has to fight the one who wields it? In any case no doubt he will success considering how he handled Vasco.

Lucidrago
2019-03-21, 20:56
Again, the idea that a human nation would be able to massively outpace the Grigori in terms of scientific advancement makes zero sense.

Modern technology is far below the capabilities of even a human wizard it's not funny. Any high-class devil and their peerage could run roughshod over the military power of our world.

That's making a lot of assumptions. Although I'm making a lot of assumptions too.

The Grigori is most likely the most technologically advanced in the supernatural world. But there has been no comparisons to the human world.

For example, has the Grigori created weapons that are capable of mass destruction

How is the technology of the supernatural world in comparison to the human world? You can't just say 'they have magic'. There are most likely a lot of technology the supernatural world uses that originated in the human world.

While the supernatural world has some advantages, we really can't count out the human world as if they are totally behind the supernatural world in terms of science and technology. If the human world in DxD is anything like the real world version, then we would know that's not the case.

Especially when you consider the human world didn't largely have magic to help them along. They still developed technology and weapons they are on par with supernatural powers.

The Infinite Dream
2019-03-21, 21:11
Azazel literally made a Ufo because he was bored, and we still have problems making airplanes. They make gundams and transformers for the heck of it and we still cant even produce a relatively good robot. Their cloning technology is leaps and bounds further than us. We can completely rule out the human worlds science against theirs. The only way theyd be able to catch up to the supernatural world in dxd is with the help of supernatural people.

bluestahli1
2019-03-21, 21:50
What a nice illustration of Big and little sisters... oh wait-....

https://i.imgur.com/yBriTIp.jpg

XFire
2019-03-21, 22:40
That's making a lot of assumptions. Although I'm making a lot of assumptions too.

The Grigori is most likely the most technologically advanced in the supernatural world. But there has been no comparisons to the human world.

For example, has the Grigori created weapons that are capable of mass destruction

How is the technology of the supernatural world in comparison to the human world? You can't just say 'they have magic'. There are most likely a lot of technology the supernatural world uses that originated in the human world.

While the supernatural world has some advantages, we really can't count out the human world as if they are totally behind the supernatural world in terms of science and technology. If the human world in DxD is anything like the real world version, then we would know that's not the case.

Especially when you consider the human world didn't largely have magic to help them along. They still developed technology and weapons they are on par with supernatural powers.

Bruh.

The Grigori developed a robot that runs on an abstract emotion, developed a teleportation device that can cross dimensions, recreated literal miracles, can create localized dimensional pockets at will, and generally tell all known laws of physics to screw themselves.

In terms of transportation, medicine, weaponry, communications, manufacturing, and literally every other aspect society affected by technology they completely outstrip humanity.

The human world doesn't come remotely close to them technologically. Comparing them is like saying "They had slings 3000 years ago and those slings killed from a distance, so clearly they were as technologically advanced as a society with sniper rifles".

B214
2019-03-21, 22:47
From what I saw of spoilers, Riser is looking for his new bishop but Rias can't help him because it would be seen as a scandal. I don't understand how it can be seen as a scandal if she helps him find a bishop.

Maybe it's because they were engaged?

Emperor of D.
2019-03-22, 02:43
Maybe it's because they were engaged?

We're but everyone knows Rias broke that off and everyone know her relationship with Issei.

Lucidrago
2019-03-22, 03:16
Does anyone know who the little girl is in the illustration with Bikou?

EDIT: I think it's Perseus and Zhuge Liang. Don't know why I thought it was Bikou.

Ka-el
2019-03-22, 18:55
Why I have the feeling that Riser will take the yuki-onna as new bishop and then she will mature turning into a gorilla right after he reincarnated her?XD

bluestahli1
2019-03-22, 20:15
Because it will happen anyway?

Lucidrago
2019-03-23, 10:07
Or she's just half-human and can turn into a gorilla at will.

If Arthur has already dealt with the possessor of Alphecca Tyrant, do you guys think the possessor will join Vali's team for the tournament?

TommyG
2019-03-23, 11:54
Or she's just half-human and can turn into a gorilla at will.

If Arthur has already dealt with the possessor of Alphecca Tyrant, do you guys think the possessor will join Vali's team for the tournament?

Where would they fit? I imagine the minimum a Longinus possessor would value at would be 4 or 5 pawns and will Vali adding Salamander and only 3 pawns left their doesn't seem to be enough space.

Lucidrago
2019-03-23, 12:16
Where would they fit? I imagine the minimum a Longinus possessor would value at would be 4 or 5 pawns and will Vali adding Salamander and only 3 pawns left their doesn't seem to be enough space.

King: Vali

Queen: Fenrir

Rook: Gogmagog

Rook: Bikou

Knight: Arthur Pendragon

Knight: Possessor of Alphecca Tyrant

Bishop: Kuroka

Bishop: Le Fay Pendragon

Pawn(x3): Sha Wujing

Pawn(x3): Zhu Bajie

Pawn(x2): Salamander Tomita

TommyG
2019-03-23, 12:33
Out of curiosity if Bikou costs more than Zhu Bajie, why wasn't he rook in the first place?

Lucidrago
2019-03-23, 15:54
Out of curiosity if Bikou costs more than Zhu Bajie, why wasn't he rook in the first place?

I'm just guessing on their value as a pawn.

You asked where would they fit and I gave you a hypothetical set-up of Vali's team that would allow the possessor of Alphecca Tyrant to be on the team along with every single member he already has on his team.

TommyG
2019-03-23, 16:34
Fair enough, it seems as good as any other way to introduce the character but I thought they'd be an opponent since all the other holy Longinus' have been used for evil purposes (I'm aware Valerie wasn't a enemy but her sacred gear was used by the villains)

Lucidrago
2019-03-24, 04:26
The possessor of Alphecca Tyrant is a princess(since the possessor is a member of the royal family) who is trying to become queen and wants to use an engagement to one of the Two Heavenly Dragons(preferably Vali) to become queen. So she makes a deal with Arthur to join Vali's team to appeal herself to him. But she finds out Vali has little interest in women. So she then meets with Issei knowing that he would accept because of her beauty and his nature as a pervert. Although Issei's harem initially stops her because she's just trying to seduce Issei for her own ambitions. And then the 'falling for Issei' process begins.

Lex79
2019-03-24, 05:22
Uh, that would be too similar to Kuroka.

godz
2019-03-24, 05:49
The possessor of Alphecca Tyrant is a princess(since the possessor is a member of the royal family) who is trying to become queen and wants to use an engagement to one of the Two Heavenly Dragons(preferably Vali) to become queen. So she makes a deal with Arthur to join Vali's team to appeal herself to him. But she finds out Vali has little interest in women. So she then meets with Issei knowing that he would accept because of her beauty and his nature as a pervert. Although Issei's harem initially stops her because she's just trying to seduce Issei for her own ambitions. And then the 'falling for Issei' process begins.

I would prefer him to be a prince, and not only that, but he was the heir to the throne or better known as the Prince of Wales.

Which is an antagonist that considers issei unworthy for being the sekyryutei and challenge him for the boosted gear (it would be great if alphecca tyrant had the ability to steal other sacred gear), so we would not only have an antagonist but also the perfect moment to the confession of le fay and its introduction to the harem.

PS: ichie is not so basic to repeat members of the harem, dxd has managed to maintain a varied harem of girls with different personalities.
Pd2: I would not like the princess for the retrograde thinking of this fandom to think first of the harem before the character.

bluestahli1
2019-03-24, 08:40
I would prefer him to be a prince, and not only that, but he was the heir to the throne or better known as the Prince of Wales.

Which is an antagonist that considers issei unworthy for being the sekyryutei and challenge him for the boosted gear (it would be great if alphecca tyrant had the ability to steal other sacred gear), so we would not only have an antagonist but also the perfect moment to the confession of le fay and its introduction to the harem.

PS: ichie is not so basic to repeat members of the harem, dxd has managed to maintain a varied harem of girls with different personalities.
Pd2: I would not like the princess for the retrograde thinking of this fandom to think first of the harem before the character.
Bruh, this Story most likely revolves around Arthur, the red lizard will probably get the old joseph joestar treatment during this event.

Zero_Sasaki
2019-03-24, 10:02
The Brazilian translator has released two chapters recently, I do not know if you read
https://highschooldxdfc.blogspot.com/2019/03/salamander-tomita.html

https://highschooldxdfc.blogspot.com/2019/03/collbrand.html

Lucidrago
2019-03-25, 15:31
So is Zhuge Liang joining Cao Cao's team for the Azazel Cup? If so, that would make an impressive combination between the descendant of Cao Cao, the actual Guan Yu who became a Buddha, and the descendant of Zhuge Liang.

fan
2019-03-25, 15:38
@lucidrago Guan Yu isn't a Buddha he is a God

syzorst
2019-10-04, 12:31
Le Fay introduces Issei to her family.

"So, Le Fay-san, where is the Sekiryuutei you signed a contract with?"
Elaine is constantly looking at us (Issei, Kiba, Gasper). It should be obvious that my contract with Le Fay has reached the Pendragon family. Though we never met, it should be obvious that the Sekiryuutei is a man.
As soon as I approached in front of her, she moved her eyes away from me and looked at Kiba?! I've been completely ignored for the 2 of them.
Le Fay stood by my side and introduced me to her.
"Ah, this is the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
"Ah, hello. I'm the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
I bow to Elaine.
However Elaine.
".........."
She gives a silent look at me then once again appears before Kiba and Gasper.
Both of them can't help but feel helpless and laugh.
"I'm not the Sekiryuutei"
"I'm not......"
Clearly denied.
"".....That one""
Elaine finally realizing, bows her head and apologizes.
"........Sorry for my rudeness. In my imagination, the Sekiryuutei has more personality, so sorry for my delay. Now I feel you do have a Dragon's aura from your body, but how do you say it? I'm.....very sorry."

Although I release the aura of a Dragon from my body, you can feel the power of multiple dragons, and from my appearance -- I looked like an ordinary dragon.
Despite not having any Dragon aura, Kiba exudes a strong atmosphere and Gasper despite his face, has a bottomless amount of aura. Because of that she felt they may be the Sekiryuutei.
Is that the case?! I don't know why, but my face isn't that of the Sekiryuutei?! Anyway, I was born as a ordinary person who became the Sekiryuutei!
Rias aware of my thoughts came over and hugged me.
"I understand, Issei! But....in about 10 years or so, you can grow a beard, it may increase your authority as the Sekiryuutei.

Credit goes to Riku

Hakai
2019-10-04, 12:37
Looool

Yeah he does look like a normal guy no matter how badass he is. Can't help that

Well he can always use the DxD armor to give off proper Sekiryuutei aura :heh:

Emperor of D.
2019-10-04, 12:45
Poor Issei, he got roasted and Rias giving him pity doesn't make it any better.

Lucidrago
2019-10-04, 20:51
Looool

Yeah he does look like a normal guy no matter how badass he is. Can't help that

Well he can always use the DxD armor to give off proper Sekiryuutei aura :heh:

The curse of the MC. It'll probably be a mistake to try to go anywhere with Sairaorg as well.

It's a curse being an unremarkably average looking MC.

Emperor of D.
2019-10-05, 08:51
The curse of the MC. It'll probably be a mistake to try to go anywhere with Sairaorg as well.

It's a curse being an unremarkably average looking MC.

What's worst is he got overshadowed by even Gasper.

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-10-09, 17:57
New year’s have just passed
Issei waiting in front of Kuoh Academy hears Arthur’s voice. Arthur has asked Issei to show him around Kuoh Academy. They enter a classroom, where Issei expresses his surprise of him coming. Arthur says that since Le Fay will be enrolling here, he wanted to see the school first. Arthur is worried about her education because Le Fay never went to an ordinary school before. So they want her to enjoy daily school life.
Arthur slides his finger through the window frame and notices the dust. Issei smiles and apologizes for the dust. Arthur says that it’s a good school and that there are at least some people like Le Fay who hide their abilities from the normal students as well. Issei receives a text from Rias saying that visitors from the UK have come to visit. So bring Le Fay.
Back at Issei’s house, Le Fay greets Elaine who’s described as a black-haired woman in her early 20s as Issei describes her as having a dignified ladylike style. Elaine says that she wanted to visit earlier, but requesting permission takes time. Elaine introduces herself as Elaine Westcott to everyone and thanks them for taking care of Le Fay for her.

Kuroka tells Issei that she’s a descendant of one of the founding fathers of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and taught Le Fay how to use magic. She then tells Issei then Le Fay joined Golden Dawn because of her connections with Elaine. Elaine goes to Arthur and says that she’s happy that he hasn’t seem to change. They became quiet and Issei notes the awkward atmosphere, and wonders if its because of Arthur stealing Collbrande from his family and her being a maid for his family. Akeno, Rias, Irina, Roseweisse, and Ravel looks at both of them with a curious sight.

"So, Le Fay-san, where is the Sekiryuutei you signed a contract with?"
Elaine is constantly looking at us (Issei, Kiba, Gasper). It should be obvious that my contract with Le Fay has reached the Pendragon family. Though we never met, it should be obvious that the Sekiryuutei is a man.
As soon as I approached in front of her, she moved her eyes away from me and looked at Kiba?! I've been completely ignored for the 2 of them.
Le Fay stood by my side and introduced me to her.
"Ah, this is the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
"Ah, hello. I'm the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
I bow to Elaine.
However Elaine.
".........."
She gives a silent look at me then once again appears before Kiba and Gasper.
Both of them can't help but feel helpless and laugh.
"I'm not the Sekiryuutei"
"I'm not......"
Clearly denied.
"".....That one""
Elaine finally realizing, bows her head and apologizes.
"........Sorry for my rudeness. In my imagination, the Sekiryuutei has more personality, so sorry for my delay. Now I feel you do have a Dragon's aura from your body, but how do you say it? I'm.....very sorry."

Although I release the aura of a Dragon from my body, you can feel the power of multiple dragons, and from my appearance -- I looked like an ordinary dragon.
Despite not having any Dragon aura, Kiba exudes a strong atmosphere and Gasper despite his face, has a bottomless amount of aura. Because of that she felt they may be the Sekiryuutei.
Is that the case?! I don't know why, but my face isn't that of the Sekiryuutei?! Anyway, I was born as a ordinary person who became the Sekiryuutei!
Rias aware of my thoughts came over and hugged me.
"I understand, Issei! But....in about 10 years or so, you can grow a beard, it may increase your authority as the Sekiryuutei.

Issei also notes that with Ophis and Asia’s multiple dragon familiars living here, his house is pretty much a dragon’s den and even an expert magic user would think to trend here carefully. Elaine then explains the purpose of her being here.
Lord Pendragon has sent her to Japan to see Arthur and Le Fay’s current situation. Rias explains that both are important to UK and are also ways welcome here. Elaine and Le Fay thank Rias. Elaine then says she wants to meet with the Hakuryuukou, but notices that Arthur has disappeared.
So she decided to she Le Fay’s room, Elaine knows that Kuroka is also part of the Vali team, and that both her and Le Fay share a room in Issei’s house. They enter their room where they see its messy through the entire room except for one place. They believe the mess is all Kuroka’s and Le Fay keeps her side of the room clean. So Elaine has Kuroka clean her mess, which Kuroka has Issei help her clean her room. Issei says that the rooms full of magazines, she doesn’t throw anything away and doesn’t seem to wash her clothes.

Issei notices that he hasn’t found a single bra to which Kuroka tells him that she’s part of the “No-Bra Faction”. Issei thinks that “No-Bra” sounds wonderful and realizes that often the girls in the house don’t wear bras. Elaine tells Kuroka to clean and that since she’s Le Fay’s friend, she needs to set a better example and worries what if Le Fay starts acting like her. Koneko decides to help with the cleaning.
After they finish cleaning, Le Fay introduces Elaine to Fenrir. Everyone notes how powerful Fenrir is, and how the Vali team managed to capture and control him. Elaine stares at Fenrir then extends her hand and says “Hold out your hand”. Issei notes the bravely it takes to be in front of a legendary monster. Fenrir isn’t angry and his expression hasn’t changed, but looks at Le Fay with a face saying “What should I do?”. Le Fay just nods. So Fenrir reluctantly obeyed and extended his claw to which Elaine rubs his head. She says that Le Fay has trained him well, but Fenrir isn’t a good name, so how about “John”?
Kuroka starts laughing to the point tears are coming out and calling Fenrir “John”. So Fenrir bites her. Issei intervenes saying that they have a guest here. He gets covered by Kuroka scratch marks on his face and Fenrir bite marks on his hand. So Elaine has yet to meet Vali and Bikou, so Le Fay tries to contact Vali, but is said that the odds of Vali answering is 1/10. Issei wonders if he’s training with the First Gen Sun Wukong.

Azazel once told Issei that Vali and Bikou often go to Tokyo to eat ramen, where Issei remembers a time where Vali gave Issei a lecture on how the right soy sauce and seasoning makes the perfect ramen. Azazel then told Issei that if he wants, he can ask Vali for ramen recipes.
While thinking about Vali, Elaine takes out a measure tape and starts recording Le Fay’s measurements. They also learn that when Arthur left their house, Le Fay worried about him followed him and occasionally reports back what he’s doing back to their father. Vali then suddenly appears and he and Elaine greet each other.
She asked if he’s the Hakuryuukou and which he notes that Elaine’s releases a good aura. She then says that it was said that Vali has abducted Arthur and Le Fay. Le Fay asked about Arthur, to which Vali says that he was acting strange, and that he, Bikou, and Arthur went to visit with the Slashdog team. Elaine meets Bikou and says he has a “dirty look”, to which Kuroka laughs at with Fenrir nodding in agreement. Elaine is happy as she thought the Vali team would be a bad influence on Le Fay. Issei notes how before Bikou and Fenrir were evil to them, but now they casually meet with each other. He wonders if this is because of Azazel or Oppai Dragon. Vali decides to go get ramen, which Issei asked if he could join him. Vali points out that their are rivals, so how about cup ramen instead.

A few days later, Arthur and Le Fay are in Issei’s living room where Le Fay receives her school uniform. Issei asked Le Fay about Arthur and Elaine, where Le Fay reveals that they’re in love. But because of Arthur’s position, many people are after him, but he’s only in love with Elaine. Also if Lord Pendragon finds out, she’d be kicked out of their service, which is why Arthur left the house.
Before Elaine leaves, she asked Issei if he thinks he’s qualified to be Le Fay’s contracted devil. He says that he’ll work hard, so Elaine tells him that he’s a good person and that if he removes her roommate, she’d give him a pass. Issei says he’ll do his best. They shake hands and she leaves.

Done by Riku on Discord.

Lucidrago
2019-10-09, 23:24
New year’s have just passed
Issei waiting in front of Kuoh Academy hears Arthur’s voice. Arthur has asked Issei to show him around Kuoh Academy. They enter a classroom, where Issei expresses his surprise of him coming. Arthur says that since Le Fay will be enrolling here, he wanted to see the school first. Arthur is worried about her education because Le Fay never went to an ordinary school before. So they want her to enjoy daily school life.
Arthur slides his finger through the window frame and notices the dust. Issei smiles and apologizes for the dust. Arthur says that it’s a good school and that there are at least some people like Le Fay who hide their abilities from the normal students as well. Issei receives a text from Rias saying that visitors from the UK have come to visit. So bring Le Fay.
Back at Issei’s house, Le Fay greets Elaine who’s described as a black-haired woman in her early 20s as Issei describes her as having a dignified ladylike style. Elaine says that she wanted to visit earlier, but requesting permission takes time. Elaine introduces herself as Elaine Westcott to everyone and thanks them for taking care of Le Fay for her.

Kuroka tells Issei that she’s a descendant of one of the founding fathers of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and taught Le Fay how to use magic. She then tells Issei then Le Fay joined Golden Dawn because of her connections with Elaine. Elaine goes to Arthur and says that she’s happy that he hasn’t seem to change. They became quiet and Issei notes the awkward atmosphere, and wonders if its because of Arthur stealing Collbrande from his family and her being a maid for his family. Akeno, Rias, Irina, Roseweisse, and Ravel looks at both of them with a curious sight.

"So, Le Fay-san, where is the Sekiryuutei you signed a contract with?"
Elaine is constantly looking at us (Issei, Kiba, Gasper). It should be obvious that my contract with Le Fay has reached the Pendragon family. Though we never met, it should be obvious that the Sekiryuutei is a man.
As soon as I approached in front of her, she moved her eyes away from me and looked at Kiba?! I've been completely ignored for the 2 of them.
Le Fay stood by my side and introduced me to her.
"Ah, this is the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
"Ah, hello. I'm the Sekiryuutei Hyoudou Issei"
I bow to Elaine.
However Elaine.
".........."
She gives a silent look at me then once again appears before Kiba and Gasper.
Both of them can't help but feel helpless and laugh.
"I'm not the Sekiryuutei"
"I'm not......"
Clearly denied.
"".....That one""
Elaine finally realizing, bows her head and apologizes.
"........Sorry for my rudeness. In my imagination, the Sekiryuutei has more personality, so sorry for my delay. Now I feel you do have a Dragon's aura from your body, but how do you say it? I'm.....very sorry."

Although I release the aura of a Dragon from my body, you can feel the power of multiple dragons, and from my appearance -- I looked like an ordinary dragon.
Despite not having any Dragon aura, Kiba exudes a strong atmosphere and Gasper despite his face, has a bottomless amount of aura. Because of that she felt they may be the Sekiryuutei.
Is that the case?! I don't know why, but my face isn't that of the Sekiryuutei?! Anyway, I was born as a ordinary person who became the Sekiryuutei!
Rias aware of my thoughts came over and hugged me.
"I understand, Issei! But....in about 10 years or so, you can grow a beard, it may increase your authority as the Sekiryuutei.

Issei also notes that with Ophis and Asia’s multiple dragon familiars living here, his house is pretty much a dragon’s den and even an expert magic user would think to trend here carefully. Elaine then explains the purpose of her being here.
Lord Pendragon has sent her to Japan to see Arthur and Le Fay’s current situation. Rias explains that both are important to UK and are also ways welcome here. Elaine and Le Fay thank Rias. Elaine then says she wants to meet with the Hakuryuukou, but notices that Arthur has disappeared.
So she decided to she Le Fay’s room, Elaine knows that Kuroka is also part of the Vali team, and that both her and Le Fay share a room in Issei’s house. They enter their room where they see its messy through the entire room except for one place. They believe the mess is all Kuroka’s and Le Fay keeps her side of the room clean. So Elaine has Kuroka clean her mess, which Kuroka has Issei help her clean her room. Issei says that the rooms full of magazines, she doesn’t throw anything away and doesn’t seem to wash her clothes.

Issei notices that he hasn’t found a single bra to which Kuroka tells him that she’s part of the “No-Bra Faction”. Issei thinks that “No-Bra” sounds wonderful and realizes that often the girls in the house don’t wear bras. Elaine tells Kuroka to clean and that since she’s Le Fay’s friend, she needs to set a better example and worries what if Le Fay starts acting like her. Koneko decides to help with the cleaning.
After they finish cleaning, Le Fay introduces Elaine to Fenrir. Everyone notes how powerful Fenrir is, and how the Vali team managed to capture and control him. Elaine stares at Fenrir then extends her hand and says “Hold out your hand”. Issei notes the bravely it takes to be in front of a legendary monster. Fenrir isn’t angry and his expression hasn’t changed, but looks at Le Fay with a face saying “What should I do?”. Le Fay just nods. So Fenrir reluctantly obeyed and extended his claw to which Elaine rubs his head. She says that Le Fay has trained him well, but Fenrir isn’t a good name, so how about “John”?
Kuroka starts laughing to the point tears are coming out and calling Fenrir “John”. So Fenrir bites her. Issei intervenes saying that they have a guest here. He gets covered by Kuroka scratch marks on his face and Fenrir bite marks on his hand. So Elaine has yet to meet Vali and Bikou, so Le Fay tries to contact Vali, but is said that the odds of Vali answering is 1/10. Issei wonders if he’s training with the First Gen Sun Wukong.

Azazel once told Issei that Vali and Bikou often go to Tokyo to eat ramen, where Issei remembers a time where Vali gave Issei a lecture on how the right soy sauce and seasoning makes the perfect ramen. Azazel then told Issei that if he wants, he can ask Vali for ramen recipes.
While thinking about Vali, Elaine takes out a measure tape and starts recording Le Fay’s measurements. They also learn that when Arthur left their house, Le Fay worried about him followed him and occasionally reports back what he’s doing back to their father. Vali then suddenly appears and he and Elaine greet each other.
She asked if he’s the Hakuryuukou and which he notes that Elaine’s releases a good aura. She then says that it was said that Vali has abducted Arthur and Le Fay. Le Fay asked about Arthur, to which Vali says that he was acting strange, and that he, Bikou, and Arthur went to visit with the Slashdog team. Elaine meets Bikou and says he has a “dirty look”, to which Kuroka laughs at with Fenrir nodding in agreement. Elaine is happy as she thought the Vali team would be a bad influence on Le Fay. Issei notes how before Bikou and Fenrir were evil to them, but now they casually meet with each other. He wonders if this is because of Azazel or Oppai Dragon. Vali decides to go get ramen, which Issei asked if he could join him. Vali points out that their enemies, so how about cup ramen instead.

A few days later, Arthur and Le Fay are in Issei’s living room where Le Fay receives her school uniform. Issei asked Le Fay about Arthur and Elaine, where Le Fay reveals that they’re in love. But because of Arthur’s position, many people are after him, but he’s only in love with Elaine. Also if Lord Pendragon finds out, she’d be kicked out of their service, which is why Arthur left the house.
Before Elaine leaves, she asked Issei if he thinks he’s qualified to be Le Fay’s contracted devil. He says that he’ll work hard, so Elaine tells him that he’s a good person and that if he removes her roommate, she’d give him a pass. Issei says he’ll do his best. They shake hands and she leaves.

Done by Riku on Discord.

English people. Always got to name everyone and everything 'John.' :heh:

So Kuroka wears no bras or panties. Well we kind of knew that though because of what she wears.

Vasy
2019-11-05, 16:24
From what I have seen most of the MCs are attractive. Issei is no exception, he was characterized as a nice boy with masculine features being considered more attractive by mature women. Despite his perverse personality, he has a charisma that draws people to him.
And if we talk about looks, Kiba looks more like a butler than a warrior, and Gasper looks like a little girl. : p
After all, all the characters in the series look like ordinary people, except for Vasco. : Heh:
None of these have non-human characteristics.:)

Lucidrago
2019-11-06, 19:19
From what I have seen most of the MCs are attractive. Issei is no exception, he was characterized as a nice boy with masculine features being considered more attractive by mature women. Despite his perverse personality, he has a charisma that draws people to him.
And if we talk about looks, Kiba looks more like a butler than a warrior, and Gasper looks like a little girl. : p
After all, all the characters in the series look like ordinary people, except for Vasco. : Heh:
None of these have non-human characteristics.:)

Well Issei is very average-looking compared to Kiba who is considered very handsome and Gasper is considered cute. But their strength and their auras would cause you to think that one of them could be the Red Dragon Emperor if you had never met him or watched the Oppai Dragon show.

Just saying that Issei doesn't really have any noteworthy looks like most male protagonists in anime/manga/light novels/visual novels.

Jedsada
2019-11-06, 22:41
Being good looking isn't equal being badass. Like Tatsuya from Mahouka, that guy has a very mundane looking but is still an absolute badass.

Lucidrago
2019-11-07, 08:06
Being good looking isn't equal being badass. Like Tatsuya from Mahouka, that guy has a very mundane looking but is still an absolute badass.

Never said that. But It's not an overexaggeratoon to say the same about Kiba and Gasper. Even if you felt Issei had a dragon's aura, you would still be looking at those two just because of their auras and would think they might be the Red Dragon Emperor by just looking at their faces.

Think more like Alphonse Elric being mistaken for the Fullmetal Alchemist with Edward right there. Some people will pick the person with the more distinctive look if they haven't met the actual person before or doesn't know what they look like. A handsome person will have a more distinctive look than someone who is average-looking.

Vasy
2019-11-12, 17:14
Never said that. But It's not an overexaggeratoon to say the same about Kiba and Gasper. Even if you felt Issei had a dragon's aura, you would still be looking at those two just because of their auras and would think they might be the Red Dragon Emperor by just looking at their faces.

Think more like Alphonse Elric being mistaken for the Fullmetal Alchemist with Edward right there. Some people will pick the person with the more distinctive look if they haven't met the actual person before or doesn't know what they look like. A handsome person will have a more distinctive look than someone who is average-looking.

Just by looking at Gasper, you can't take him seriously. :))) Saying nice don't say POWERFUL. From the looks it offers the appearance of a malnourished child.
Nimura, at the moment when Gasper asked if he could be useful, he made a face :) Poor Gasper was demoralized :))
Can you tell how strong a person is in appearance? :))
As I said, all the characters look like people, without inhuman characteristics, Gasper and Kiba still have human parts being hybrids, but Issei is no longer human (god dragon / hybrid devil).
Issei in its basic form emits huge quantities of dragonic aura. When you come in contact with someone with great power, you can only realize it by the presence that emanates it.
The only reason Kiba and Gasper were taken into consideration was because their auras came out different. (Issei's house is full of dragons, so the quantities of huge dragonic aura that comes from several people make it impossible to notice .)
Kiba and Naikiri look alike.
Issei has been characterized as being cute throughout the novel, mature women feel attracted to him. When was Issei supposed to be average-looking? Of the two, Issei has a masculine, attractive appearance. What would you like to have? A body full of muscles?
Rias said that Issei became a playboy.

Vasy
2019-11-12, 17:26
Never said that. But It's not an overexaggeratoon to say the same about Kiba and Gasper. Even if you felt Issei had a dragon's aura, you would still be looking at those two just because of their auras and would think they might be the Red Dragon Emperor by just looking at their faces.

Think more like Alphonse Elric being mistaken for the Fullmetal Alchemist with Edward right there. Some people will pick the person with the more distinctive look if they haven't met the actual person before or doesn't know what they look like. A handsome person will have a more distinctive look than someone who is average-looking.

and soon it will have two forms: the humanoid and the one of a giant dragon of 100m. Also known as the red monster.
And someone with an average look would not be so successful in women.
The aspect, from the point of view of power, has no connection. Shiva, Ophis, Lilith look like children, but they are the top 3 most powerful beings.

Lucidrago
2019-11-12, 20:58
Just by looking at Gasper, you can't take him seriously. :))) Saying nice don't say POWERFUL. From the looks it offers the appearance of a malnourished child.
Nimura, at the moment when Gasper asked if he could be useful, he made a face :) Poor Gasper was demoralized :))
Can you tell how strong a person is in appearance? :))
As I said, all the characters look like people, without inhuman characteristics, Gasper and Kiba still have human parts being hybrids, but Issei is no longer human (god dragon / hybrid devil).
Issei in its basic form emits huge quantities of dragonic aura. When you come in contact with someone with great power, you can only realize it by the presence that emanates it.
The only reason Kiba and Gasper were taken into consideration was because their auras came out different. (Issei's house is full of dragons, so the quantities of huge dragonic aura that comes from several people make it impossible to notice .)
Kiba and Naikiri
Issei has been characterized as being cute throughout the novel, mature women feel attracted to him. When was Issei supposed to be average-looking? Of the two, Issei has a masculine, attractive appearance. What would you like to have? A body full of muscles?
Rias said that Issei became a playboy.

By your logic, Kiba and Gasper are no longer human as well. And Gasper was originally only half-human. Just call Issei a human-based devil with a draconic appearance.

What I'm saying is that Issei is generally considered average-loojung by most of the females that see him while Kiba is generally considered handsome by the majority of females(Oppai Dragon Show has a female fan base because of him). And Casper doesn't have an impressive appearance but as Elaine said he has a bottomless aura. Based on Gasper's aura and Kiba's looks and aura, it's not really unusual that a person would probably take one of those two for the Red Dragon Emperor if you didn't know what Issei looked like.

It's just that most people when imagining the Red Dragon Emperor would picture someone that looks more impressive.

Again I never said that your physical appearance had anything to do with how powerful you are. Just saying that if someone like Issei was next to two other people with auras as impressive as his, it wouldn't be unexpected for someone to mistake the others for him.

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder but there are some men and women that are generally seen as beautiful or handsome by the majority of people. Like you see with Rias, Akeno, and Kiba in DxD. But average-looking guys can easily attract women if they have the right qualities. Guys do It in real life all the time. Issei might not be having every female that looks at him saying he's handsome like Kiba but having an average appearance won't stop him from attracting females.

Emperor of D.
2019-11-13, 03:27
By your logic, Kiba and Gasper are no longer human as well. And Gasper was originally only half-human. Just call Issei a human-based devil with a draconic appearance.

What I'm saying is that Issei is generally considered average-loojung by most of the females that see him while Kiba is generally considered handsome by the majority of females(Oppai Dragon Show has a female fan base because of him). And Casper doesn't have an impressive appearance but as Elaine said he has a bottomless aura. Based on Gasper's aura and Kiba's looks and aura, it's not really unusual that a person would probably take one of those two for the Red Dragon Emperor if you didn't know what Issei looked like.

It's just that most people when imagining the Red Dragon Emperor would picture someone that looks more impressive.

Again I never said that your physical appearance had anything to do with how powerful you are. Just saying that if someone like Issei was next to two other people with auras as impressive as his, it wouldn't be unexpected for someone to mistake the others for him.

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder but there are some men and women that are generally seen as beautiful or handsome by the majority of people. Like you see with Rias, Akeno, and Kiba in DxD. But average-looking guys can easily attract women if they have the right qualities. Guys do It in real life all the time. Issei might not be having every female that looks at him saying he's handsome like Kiba but having an average appearance won't stop him from attracting females.

Considering Issei's body, you would think his aura would be impressive like Gasper's since they both have bottomless potential.

XFire
2019-11-13, 07:22
Issei being underestimated at first glance is kind of a running gag in the series at tdd his point, and considering that it always ends with him showing up the supposedly "more impressive" person I'd say he comes out of it alright.

syzorst
2019-11-13, 12:44
Issei being underestimated at first glance is kind of a running gag in the series at tdd his point, and considering that it always ends with him showing up the supposedly "more impressive" person I'd say he comes out of it alright.

That's fine in the beginning and mid part of the series but at this point, you would think people would stop underestimating him.

XFire
2019-11-13, 17:59
That's fine in the beginning and mid part of the series but at this point, you would think people would stop underestimating him.

I actually think it makes more sense later on in the series. At the beginning all they hear is "Red Dragon Emperor" and that's a pretty well-established in universe power level (generally between High and Ultimate iirc), so considering what everyone can do with Balance Breaker its a bit odd no one thinks a dude carrying a Longinus can match that standard. Not like his base power level would make a difference.

Later on though, Issei's rep is of a guy who eats gods and Maou's for breakfast, saved the Underworld twice, beat the Grandson of the original Lucifer in open combat, and wields the power of two Dragon Gods. You'd walk into that expecting someone like Sirzechs.

godz
2019-11-14, 17:54
Issei suffers the same problem from many Shonen protagonists, being underestimated around him even with all his achievements ... examples Asta in black clover is still treated as the commoner without magic, natsu with his important victories is still not class s of fairy tail or deku with his insecurity, being that he beat a villain who killed professionals, professionals !!!

Lucidrago
2019-11-15, 04:24
I actually think it makes more sense later on in the series. At the beginning all they hear is "Red Dragon Emperor" and that's a pretty well-established in universe power level (generally between High and Ultimate iirc), so considering what everyone can do with Balance Breaker its a bit odd no one thinks a dude carrying a Longinus can match that standard. Not like his base power level would make a difference.

Later on though, Issei's rep is of a guy who eats gods and Maou's for breakfast, saved the Underworld twice, beat the Grandson of the original Lucifer in open combat, and wields the power of two Dragon Gods. You'd walk into that expecting someone like Sirzechs.

What are you talking about? I really don't notice anyone underestimating Issei at the moment or in any recent volumes. The last one that did that was Rizevim and that was because of his Sacred Gear Canceller. And the ones that did it in the very beginning of the series were in my opinion overestimating themselves more than they were underestimating Issei.

When you have gods like Erebus and Nyx making countermeasures against you then It's hard to say they're really underestimating you.

If anyone underestimates Issei, it's mostly himself.

XFire
2019-11-15, 10:50
What are you talking about? I really don't notice anyone underestimating Issei at the moment or in any recent volumes. The last one that did that was Rizevim and that was because of his Sacred Gear Canceller. And the ones that did it in the very beginning of the series were in my opinion overestimating themselves more than they were underestimating Issei.

When you have gods like Erebus and Nyx making countermeasures against you then It's hard to say they're really underestimating you.

If anyone underestimates Issei, it's mostly himself.

The girl who's the basis of the discussion?

The two dumbass Maou-class artificial devils who thought they were hot shit and tried to jump him and his friends?

The gods of the dead who know he straight up murdered a Heavenly Dragon class and beat the shit out of a chief god and still decided to threaten his parents?

Lucidrago
2019-11-15, 19:44
The girl who's the basis of the discussion?

The two dumbass Maou-class artificial devils who thought they were hot shit and tried to jump him and his friends?

The gods of the dead who know he straight up murdered a Heavenly Dragon class and beat the shit out of a chief god and still decided to threaten his parents?

Is that underestimating Issei or just the fact that a shounen series needs a villain?

Just because an enemy has their fangs turned against Issei or his allies doesn't mean they underestimate him.

But your definition of 'underestimate' probably means that they're deciding to do evil things and confront Issei despite knowing of his power and his reputation.

My definition is that they wouldn't think anything of Issei and think they could easily defeat him and wouldn't do anything like create countermeasures against him.

I just see at the moment the enemies are rather overestimating their own ability more than anything else.

But let's just agree to disagree.

XFire
2019-11-15, 21:31
Is that underestimating Issei or just the fact that a shounen series needs a villain?

Just because an enemy has their fangs turned against Issei or his allies doesn't mean they underestimate him.

What? :heh:

Since when is underestimating someone a prerequisite for being a villain? Cao Cao as an antagonist is basically the antithesis of that, Loki brought a cannon to a gun fight with Fenrir, etc.

And a couple of Maou-class deliberately picking a fight with someone who publicly beat the shit out of a roided out Chief God is underestimating him.

But your definition of 'underestimate' probably means that they're deciding to do evil things and confront Issei despite knowing of his power and his reputation.

My definition is that they wouldn't think anything of Issei and think they could easily defeat him and wouldn't do anything like create countermeasures against him.

Don't put words in my mouth, kid. Especially not to try and rearrange things to fit your poorly thought out narrative.

Even more so when they actually fit "your" definition in the first place. They walked straight up to him with zero special measures and picked a fight with a Transcendant while explicitly stating they are Maou-class.

I just see at the moment the enemies are rather overestimating their own ability more than anything else.

But let's just agree to disagree.

Bruh. :heh:

I made a statement, you tried to reject it, I gave evidence, and then you tried to redefine the discussion so the evidence doesn't fit (in a way that didn't actually work btw)

It's not really a disagree/agree thing.

Joulez97
2019-11-16, 16:54
Plus issei has the power of the dragon he was bound to attract women especially since he upfront and has power which attract women so.... he have that going for him. I mean even if he's muscular that face is still average tier so sometimes he will be mistaken. Vasy even if older women find you cute sometimes it's like looking at u like a lil brother... in issei case the (FEW) older women who find him attractive they are a cougar looking for a man younger than him or lonely

Emperor of D.
2019-11-16, 21:14
Plus issei has the power of the dragon he was bound to attract women especially since he upfront and has power which attract women so.... he have that going for him. I mean even if he's muscular that face is still average tier so sometimes he will be mistaken. Vasy even if older women find you cute sometimes it's like looking at u like a lil brother... in issei case the (FEW) older women who find him attractive they are a cougar looking for a man younger than him or lonely

I wouldn't say (few) older women as most of the girls in his harem are older than him. (Rias, Akeno, Rosswiess, Kuroka, Roygun and Yasaka). Issei just have a certain charm that attracts older women to him more than any other type of girls. Issei has always said his favorite type of women are the "Onee-san" type.

Lucidrago
2019-11-17, 04:52
I wouldn't say (few) older women as most of the girls in his harem are older than him. (Rias, Akeno, Rosswiess, Kuroka, Roygun and Yasaka). Issei just have a certain charm that attracts older women to him more than any other type of girls. Issei has always said his favorite type of women are the "Onee-san" type.

'Most' assumes there are more older females that prefer him to females his own age or younger. But Asia, Xenovia, and Irina are the same age as him. Also Tsubasa(Sona's rook) although she isn't in the harem, Issei is her preferred type. And Ravel, Koneko, Ingvild, and Kunou are all younger than him. And I think Elmenhilde is younger although we can't be sure as we don't know her age. And then there's also Le Fay.

So that claim assumes there are more females that are older than him that prefer Issei to females that are the same age or younger than him which isn't the case. As the females that are his age or younger that prefer him outnumber the ones that are older than him that prefer him.

Joulez97
2019-11-18, 06:19
I wouldn't say (few) older women as most of the girls in his harem are older than him. (Rias, Akeno, Rosswiess, Kuroka, Roygun and Yasaka). Issei just have a certain charm that attracts older women to him more than any other type of girls. Issei has always said his favorite type of women are the "Onee-san" type.

True, but remember rias and akeno are 1 year older basically around his age rosswiess and kuroka are just a lil older. I mostly talking about yasaka and roygun they (MUCH) older and they reason for going at issei is cougar/loneliness

Emperor of D.
2019-11-19, 03:20
True, but remember rias and akeno are 1 year older basically around his age rosswiess and kuroka are just a lil older. I mostly talking about yasaka and roygun they (MUCH) older and they reason for going at issei is cougar/loneliness

Rias and Akeno are still older and more mature than he is, hence why he calls them the "Onee-san" type. Yasaka and Roygun being way older doesn't change anything as they at first treated Issei no different to how Rias and Akeno treated him early in the series. Also, only Yasaka went after Issei because she was lonely. Roygun just prefer younger boys in general.

Darksider555
2019-12-20, 18:22
Super Hero Trial:
Issei Hyoudou Company received a request from a magic circle. Issei, Asia, Xenovia, Irina, Ravel, and Elmenhilde went to the neighboring town. They meet with a janitor who takes off his hat revealing to be Cao Cao. Cao Cao is using the Holy Spear as a broom.

The Hero Faction is under strict surveillance, but they can participate in the Azazel Cup under Indra's supervision. Cao Cao wants to recruit more members to increase their strength, but their reputation isn't that good. So Indra said ask the Red Dragon Emperor for help, since the world sees him as an representative of justice. So Cao Cao asked Issei to supervise their recruitment exams.

Ravel asked Cao Cao, why are you a janitor? Cao Cao said its purely for financial reasons, with Ravel hearing that the Hero Faction lacks in funds. Elmenhilde and Issei whisper to each other saying that they been providing revival support for the cities destroyed (By them). The exams will take place in Shibamata Taishakuten also known as Sakra's Temple.

Almost 200 people showed up, most being Sacred Gear users. Many of them looked at Issei with fear. Ravel said to the eyes of humans, we're powerful monsters. Georg announces the beginning of the written test, and on the sidelines, Perseus is seen eating grass dumplings.

Rossweisse is the teacher supervising the written exam and she's very strict. "No whispering!" and "Women should not be wearing make-up before the exam!"

The exam consist of basic questions related to heroes, various mythological stories, current events in the mythological world, occult history that shapes the modern world, problems about European heroes and Japanese Warring States.

Issei looking over the questions sees, "Write a Japanese pseudonym for Polar Night Longinus Chakravartin". Cao Cao smiles and says since they're in the International Rating Game, he wants to know what his Balance Breaker be in Japanese.

Issei seeing that question began thinking about Gasper's Balance Breaker, Tobio's Abyss Balance Break, and Dulio's Balance Break Issei realizes that Subspecies Balance Breakers indeed have long names.

Issei then sees "Write down the normal Balance Breaker and a pseudonym for True Longinus". Issei and Xenovia are trying to answer this one.

"Write down the 3rd lyric in the Oppai Dragon song" Cao Cao worried about copyright issues, but got permission from the Gremory family. Asia was confused about this question: "In the popular book "Prince x Beast" at the Red Dragon Emperor's school, in the 15th volume, what line did Kiba say to Issei to force him down? (4 Options)"

Issei wonders who can answer that question and if someone can, he doesn't want to meet them. Jeanne is a fan of the series and is still crying since Volume 17. Xenovia says as Student Council President, she heard rumors about a secret reprint, so she sent Ouryuu and Millarca to investigate. Issei vows to stop that reprint.

Issei sees Oda and Akechi(From the DxD x Oda Nobuna Crossover SS) answering the question.

2nd Exam is the Practical Test. Heracles in the instructor while Perseus is asking the cute girls for their names, age, origin, and favourite foods. Cao Cao, Georg, and Jeanne are watching the exam while eating grass dumplings.

The inherited of Momotaro's spirit Momoko (桃野 吉備津彦(桃野 きびつひこ) is there with a monkey, dog, and pheasant.

Perseus is talking to Zhuge Liang the descendent of Zhuge Liang. She's described as cute girl in Chinese clothing holding a feather fan. She waved her fan, but nothing happen, so Perseus stepped forward and fell down a small hole, then jumped out and hit his head on something that appeared out of thin air. Then a bag covered his head so he rushed towards Zhuge Liang where he fell down another hole. This repeated for some time. Zhuge Liang's Sacred Gear is "Strategy Trap".

Momoko and Zhuge Liang have qualified, and Issei wonders why isn't there a contest about cute girls and then asked Cao Cao about it. But Xenovia and the others began releasing their aura towards Issei.

Georg says its time for Little Red Riding Hood's turn.
Issei hoped that Red Riding Hood is a beautiful girl and that he'll be her opponent. She takes off her scarf and is revealed to be Strada. Issei asked Jeanne why you didn't tell me Little Red Riding Hood was Strada, with her saying I didn't say Little Red Riding Hood was a girl.

Issei in front of Strada says that Little Red Riding Hood looks like he can scare the Wolf Grandma and the Church Trio saw Strada and started to pray. Issei asked why is he here? Strada says he's a secret judge and also to observe the Hero Faction.

Issei retreats and Strada is sad as he wanted to fight Issei. They joke that Strada is how they defeated the terrible wolf, with Issei saying to Strada that the only terrible wolf to him would be Fenrir. And asked why are you playing Little Red Riding Hood when it would make more sense for you to where armor instead.

Few weeks later, the results were transmitted to Issei's office. Momoko and Zhuge Liang passed and so did Little Red Riding Hood, but that was dismissed. Issei imagines Strada passing the written exam and meaning he likely knows the Oppai Dragon song , with Xenovia pointing out that it also means he might know about "Prince x Beast". Issei still plans on stopping the reprint. Ravel talks about how Heroes originated in fairy tales.

Issei begins to imagine Snow White and Cinderella, but then they turn into Strada. He hopes that not all female fairy tale characters are Strada.


White Dragon Emperor of Black History:
After the qualifiers for the International Rating Game, Issei welcomed Lavinia, Natsume, and Kouki.

Everyone sat down and Natsume was ready to talk but everyone felt strange. Bikou and Zhu Bajie can be seen peeking at through the door. Then their presences disappeared, but they can hear them yelling at each other. Xenovia and Irina chased after them.

Natsume sighed and said that Vali has been sending assassins after Lavinia lately. Issei's shocked that Vali would sent actual assassins on his big sister and noticed that Kuroka and Le Fay aren't home.

Natsume said that the reason's complicated and they're here to ask for their help. Kouki says that in 3 days, DxD team will have a meeting discussing magic with Lavinia representing Grauzauberer and Rossweisse is also participating.

Tobio and the other members don't have any missions, and Lavinia describes the situation similar to hide and seek. Xenovia and Irina returned empty handed.

Rias and Issei decides to assign people to protect them. Rossweisse, Akeno, and Issei will protect Lavinia, Natsume, and Kouki. Everyone went to the Slashdog team's office which is on the 20th floor in a building near the bar where Tobio and Lavinia work.

They open the door and see Jin, who Tobio left behind in the office. Akeno and Jin get along and she and Natsume began talking to each other about Suzaku. Rossweisse sees a collection of valuable magical books, which Lavinia says she can loan if Mephisto approves it.

Nanadaru Shigune appears and greets everyone while holding her 4 Fiend. Ddraig said that her fiend is the strongest of the 4 Fiends. Ddraig also says that its capable of eating Demonic Power, Magician's magic, Sacred Gear abilities, and even eat the abilities of Gods.

Kouki invites Issei to watch a DVD "Legend of the Holy Breast". Issei agrees to watch it with him.

The 2nd wave of assassination is Kuroka. She asked Lavinia to give her something, Lavinia said no. Kuroka's ready to fight, but Kouki threw a bag of powder at her, which released a unique smell. Kuroka became enchanted and huddled into a ball. Byakusa did the same thing.

Kouki said that it was a powder of silver vine which has an interesting effect on Cat Youkai. Issei wonders if he should use it on Koneko and Kuroka to do whatever he wants with them. He says he'll seriously consider it later, but right now Kuroka's retired.

Kuroka's been arrested and Vali's after his books from 4-5 years ago. The "Book of Mind/Art/Technique". Vali has the "Book of Art", but Lavinia has "Book of Mind" and "Technique". Mind has dialogue of Vali's chuunibyou thoughts and Technique has chuunibyou attack ideas and theories on magic.

Kuroka tied with rope says she wants to read the books and she won't take them. Lavinia shook her head and said only the Slashdog team and Vali's fated rival can read them.

2 days later, Lavinia is going to the meeting where she sees Bikou waiting in the park. Bikou sees Issei as her bodyguard and uses his trump card Fenrir. Akeno and Rossweisse prepare for battle.

Bikou says that Vali's desperate to get the books back. Akeno said they have a countermeasure for Fenrir; Jin.

Jin and Fenrir confronted and stared at each other silently. Fenrir turns around and looks at Bikou. Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing call Bikou an idiot, and Fenrir attacks the 3 of them, causing them to run away.

Lavinia notices something at the edge of the park and sees Vali. Vali said that the books are very important and he wants them back. So she hugs Vali, to which he said that Issei's right in front of them. Natsume says that this is a valuable scene and Issei wants an Onee-san that would let him do whatever he wants.

Vali having both books flies away with his light wings. Natsume notices Lavinia's smiling, to which she creates a Magic circle which summons replicas of the books. Lavinia said those books are important, so back ups need to be made, and that Rossweisse has added Magical Defenses making them stronger than the original books. Issei wonders how will Vali capture all those books.


Sleepover Party for the Gifted and Talented:
Tosca came to Japan and is living with Kiba, but seems to be afraid of Rias, hiding from her when she sees her. The ORC decides to teach Tosca about Japanese culture at Issei's house. Tsubaki's invited as well as she was eavesdropping outside the door.

Tosca, Kiryuu and Tsubaki arrived at Issei's house, where they first meet with Koneko and Gasper. Koneko asked Tosca if she was afraid of the Cardboard Box Vampire Gasper. Then she told her that when she first met Kiba a few years ago, she was afraid of him. But Kiba would give her snacks, which also now attracts Kuroka.

Akeno and Rossweisseare now with Tosca. Akeno told Tosca about the time when she and Kiba went to a farm to milk cows (From the Chronos SS where Chronos showed Azazel and Ophis the ORC's past), and Rossweisse a 100-yen lecture till late at night.

Issei, Kiba, and Gasper are all in the same room, before only Matsuda and Motohama were the only boys who came to Issei's house. Issei, Kiba, and Gasper played games with each other for the entire night. In the morning, Issei saw Tosca praying to the angel Irina and thought that Tosca should talk to the Church Trio. Kiba asked Issei what type of breakfast they should make.

After dinner last night, Irina told Tosca to relax as the Lord will always bless them. Tosca's convinced from the words of an angel. Issei notes that Tosca avoids him and doesn't talk to him. Kiryuu tells Issei that his reputation at school has improved because Kiba tells girls good things about Issei when they asked him. Issei thanks Kiba with tears in his eyes, and Tosca finally gets the courage to ask Issei "What is your relationship with Isaiah?" Issei answers "A friend? A partner? A peer." Tosca then tells Issei that BL is not acceptable. Issei realizes that she learned that from Kiryuu.

Tsubaki joins in and asked Issei and Kiba "What is their relationship?" Kiba says that its difficult to say in front of Issei. Tsubaki said that those 2 really are BL and that they can't lose. Tosca agrees saying that BL is not acceptable.

Last night, Tosca was determined to talk to Rias. She's not afraid of Rias who is a High-class Devil, but she's afraid of what Rias knows about Kiba after he died and his thirst for vengeance. Tosca feels that Kiba's complex and is afraid to face the truth. But she's determined to ask Rias questions about Kiba. In the end, Tosca is extremely moved and crying because of Rias' answer and thanks her for helping Kiba. Rias also crying thanks Tosca for surviving.

Since then Tosca has always shown a lovely smile in front of everyone, and Issei hopes she can get along with everyone.

Go West!

Issei's playing an Open RPG while the Chruch Trio watches and comments. Kuroka and Le Fay enter his room and ask Issei to help Bikou and the Vali team. They arrive at Bikou's hometown where they meet the current Zhu Bajie(The Masochist) and Sha Wujing(Hates being called Kappa).

They're here to take care of them and were given 3 missions from Xuanzang Sanzang. Since Bikou, Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing are now the current successors, Xuanzang Sanzang wants them to work together. Issei asked Vali how strong is the 1st Gen Journey to the West, with Vali saying that if the DxD Team fought them, DxD would probably win.

Issei asked Vali what he thinks about the missions with Vali replying he'd like to help. Kuroka told Issei that Xuanzang Sanzang promised to introduce Vali to powerful people afterwards which made Vali happy. Issei wonders if he should help with the missions, where Bikou then whispers to him that if he helps him, he'll call Azazel, so Issei and Kuroka can sleep together alone in the interdimensional room. Issei and Bikou shake hands.

Mission 1: Line up outside a large-scale retail store late at night to buy a Monster Watch that goes on sale at 10 o'clock the next day.

Issei, Vali, and the rest are waiting in a long line that looks like an Eastern Dragon. Issei wonders if Master Xuanzang Sanzang likes this toy, with Vali said he heard the toy is for kids. Zhu Bajie is disguised as a fat young man. Bikou noticed that Sha Wujing isn't here as she's a Middle School student and Vali says she has club activities in the morning, so she can't wait here all night. Issei then introduces Bikou to Salamander Tomita who can take her place knowing she couldn't be here. Vali seems to already know Tomita, with Bikou telling Tomita to go back to the river like a Kappa. Vali was eating ramen while in line, Zhu Bajie was looking around for Onee-sans, and Imoutos. Eventually they bought the Monster Watch.

Mission 2: Go to a Monastery that is located high in the mountains that can only be reached with a tall ladder. Bikou is unexpectedly physically weak and fell to the bottom. Sha Wujing is back, but is angry at seeing Salamander Tomita. Bikou and Zhu Bajie have been arguing as they're climbing. They reached the top and the monks there gave them Peaches of Immortality. Vali then began eating a seaweed lunch where he and Issei discussed an old sorceress and Xuanzang Sanzang. Eventually they heard Bikou scream and the monks told them that someone has stolen the peaches.

Mission 3: Where the Chinese Immortals live, monsters and thieves have been rampaging and demanding the peaches. So Bikou and the others arrived and killed them. Afterwards Vali offers Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing a place on the Vali Team. Issei asked Vali how will they be as team members, with Vali smiling and said it won't be boring.

With the missions completed, Issei begins daydreaming about spending the night with Kuroka.

The next day, Issei contacted Bikou demanding an apology for not fulfilling their agreement. Bikou said that not only does he had to take care of the 2 of them, but now has to take care of a bunch of other pigs. Issei begins wondering how he'd take care of those pigs, and hopes that they won't end being pork in Vali's ramen.

The conversation ends with Bikou saying he already told about the agreement to Kuroka's sister and he'll find a way to make it up to him. Issei is angry at Bikou for lying to him, but eventually realized the last thing he said.

Issei turns around and sees an angry Koneko who beats him up and says "Senpai really is the worst!". Despite the harsh treatment he just received from Koneko, Issei's determined to make Bikou fulfill their agreement.

Flower Arrangement of the Princesses:

Rias, Sona, and Seekvaria are having a chat in an underworld cafe with their knights as bodyguards. Seekvaria’s Knight is Bafeel Fercas who is the younger sister of Sairaorg’s Knight Beruka Furcas. The topic was just teenage girls stuff and post war treatment, but changes to about bridal training. Rias remembers how Issei's mom talked about her training, so Rias wants to learn as well to be a proper wife, as she wants to be an educated Japanese wife with proper Japanese knowledge such as flower and tea ceremony, because she’s marrying a Japanese man, she wants to have enough knowledge so she doesn’t shame this land. Seekvaria misunderstands flower arrangement as for robots due to pronunciation issues. Sona ask Rias why not ask Akeno for lessons, but she says that Akeno doesn’t have any style as she just imitates or she herself is trying to find someplace to learn. Sona decides to take her to one and join her as they're friends, and Seekvaria decides to join as she spends too much to in her lab, so experience other cultures could be fun.

They invited all the girls from their peerage to join them, but they decline as this should be something for the kings to experience, but their knights will join them to act as bodyguards. Issei wasn’t told as this is for him and she’s training to be his future wife, as he is their future husband Kiba was embarrassed as he was the only guy there, decided to use the gender swapping ray on himself to join them even though he never planned on using it again as he must fulfill his duties as a knight. Everyone is wearing kimonos, including Kiba who is wearing one for the first time, so he’s unfamiliar in it. Tomoe took a picture of Yumi in a kimono on her smartphone. They arrived at a school that is willing to teach flower arrangement to even devils, knowing that they allowed devils gives Kiba a bad feeling. The door opens and a middle aged woman Bakusan Umeko wearing a kimono and a head vase and she releases an aura which Kiba says it’s a dense aura that a teacher shouldn’t give and he no longer sees this a teacher for a flower classroom. Their test is to release their aura, so she can evaluate it. They must show their auras as it’s needed to learn here. They do it, and their aura destroys the entrance and their surroundings. They pass the first test.

Inside the school appears to be a spacious wooden dojo room, where all the woman wearing kimonos are using flowers as swords and vases. Kiba sees lots of people doing fighting poses. The teacher says that every day the students train as if preparing for combat and flowers are the most important aspect of their training. The teacher allows the students to use props to help encourage their imaginations, which Kiba questions in his mind what is the actual meaning. Umeko asked if they know the origin of flower arrangement and Sona gives an in depth explanation. Kiba thinks to himself that he expected a normal Japanese class, where people simply sit and perform flower arrangement, what he’s seeing makes him think they're in a warrior and ninja school. Rias thinks this is all part of flower arrangement and Kiba is worried on how gullible Rias is with Japanese stuff and how she became like this. Umeko says that the old way of flower arrangement is dead and this school discovered a new way of training. Umeko gives a Japanese Linguistic lesson on how scent, handsome, and flowers are similar to each other. Rias thought this was a wonderful atmosphere, and Seek have prepared an army of prototype robots. Kiba thinks this is going to give bad memories.

Rias meets another student who is describe to be arrogant. Both Rias and she enter a stage where they will practice flower arrangement. Both are given flower-shaped swords and are given an explanation about the sword's origins. On a table there are flowers, fruits, and vegetables. And with those swords they must prepare them. Rias gets the first move and decides to use the sword to pierce a bamboo shoot. She gets 40 points. Kiba is shocked as the sight of piercing a bamboo shoot with a flower sword felt surreal and that there is a point system. The student then started sweating and used the sword to pierce a watermelon which caused to bloom like a flower and split into 8 equal pieces gaining 40 points too. Kiba is confused as they're using bamboo and watermelons to arrange flowers, and said that if Issei were here, he'd question all this aloud, and Kiba misses that Issei isn’t here to question all of this. Kiba sees Seekvaria has put one of her robots on the tip of her flower sword. Sona thinks she made a mistake bring them here. Kiba and the other knights dont know how to properly respond to this situation. During Rias' battle, apparently that bamboo shoot from the very beginning has grown thanks to the spiritual power of the sword plus bathing in her own aura has grown to become a miracle which causes Rias wins. The student mentions that who she fought was the weakest one of the 4 Heavenly Kings, the other 3 will now challenge her, which she accepts. Sona smiles seeing how happy Rias is and admits to being a little jealous on how so much in love she is. Kiba and the other knights decide to join her in this unconventional flower classroom.

Kiba is at Issei's house and sees the bamboo shoots that Rias pierced. Rias is happy of her work and has done the flower arrangement to the entrance of the house. Rias decides to challenge all the other schools. Kiba as her knight has to accompany her, Kiba remembers all that they were taught and questions as a man when will he ever used them.

Credit goes to Riku from Discord.

Vasy
2020-02-01, 12:12
to be honest in terms of aura there is no comparison, Issei's aura is much more terrifying (it is practically the aura of a dragon god), and speaking of appearance, where was Issei described as unattractive? And when it comes to power, what does power have to do with appearance? There are many people who practically do not give you an imposing appearance. Wipe that with the sponge? that is Gasper being underestimated by enemies because of appearance? You speak of Issei as being in your opinion a man of ordinary appearance, but the fact that there were many male characters that have similarities with him. Do you think Kiba's appearance is pleasing to everyone? no, for many women it seems unattractive because of the feminine traits. Can you tell me what a handsome man means? Do you think a man with features of both sexes is so popular? Although beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but speaking of the type of man who seems more attractive to girls (most women around the globe), he is a man with masculine features and a neat appearance. In my opinion, Issei is a real attractive man. And as for that girl who was staring uncertainly, the rumors had to spread that Issei loves breasts, and Gasper and Kiba who were feminine in appearance had to be automatically excluded, to be serious did you imagine Gasper hunting for breasts? :))

Hakai
2020-02-01, 12:44
https://i.ibb.co/D57mgrP/IMG-20200201-233913.jpg
Yeah after looking at the latest volume cover I have to say the maid was full of shit :heh:
Ise looks far more intimidating than those pretty boys :heh:

Nah seriously though, it was just comedy. No need to think so deeply about it.

Sekiryuu12
2020-02-01, 14:54
This is a classic case of "Have eyes but can't see Mount Tai."

godz
2020-02-01, 18:32
Issei attractive is the best joke I've heard in everything I've been in this forum, guys remember that issei is the protagonist and because of his position as protagonist he has more roots in the secondary characters ... an example of this is Asta (black clover ), a screaming dwarf who has three beauties in love, but Yuno the pretty boy only has 1.

These are the advantages of the protagonist, if we used normal logic, most girls would be drooling through sairaorg.

ps:The Kuroka confession is the perfect explanation why all the girls in their current harem have fallen in love with Issei, so for me the Kuroka confession is the best in DxD

Lucidrago
2020-02-04, 08:48
Issei attractive is the best joke I've heard in everything I've been in this forum, guys remember that issei is the protagonist and because of his position as protagonist he has more roots in the secondary characters ... an example of this is Asta (black clover ), a screaming dwarf who has three beauties in love, but Yuno the pretty boy only has 1.

These are the advantages of the protagonist, if we used normal logic, most girls would be drooling through sairaorg.

ps:The Kuroka confession is the perfect explanation why all the girls in their current harem have fallen in love with Issei, so for me the Kuroka confession is the best in DxD

You do know in real life average guys score beautiful women right?

You don't have to be a very handsome guy to get with beautiful females. Now having 50 of them fall all over you wanting to have your child after you picked up her pencil is very over exaggerated as it is in almost every harem series. But it's not a foreign concept that average-looking guys can get 10/10 females. It's more about personality, status, and how you hold yourself. A lot of women would prefer an interesting average-looking guy over a handsome empty suit.

But really it's just an inside joke about how almost every male that appears in the series has incredible good looks(except Gasper and Saji) that will have the ladies swooning.

godz
2020-02-04, 08:57
You do know in real life average guys score beautiful women right?

You don't have to be a very handsome guy to get with beautiful females. Now having 50 of them fall all over you wanting to have your child after you picked up her pencil is very over exaggerated as it is in almost every harem series. But it's not a foreign concept that average-looking guys can get 10/10 females. It's more about personality, status, and how you hold yourself. A lot of women would prefer an interesting average-looking guy over a handsome empty suit.

But really it's just an inside joke about how almost every male that appears in the series has incredible good looks(except Gasper and Saji) that will have the ladies swooning.

That was said in the Kuroka confession, Issei is not handsome or has the best personality (he is a pervert) but he makes his girls happy and makes them feel peace.

but if we talk about personality, the whole cast of good-looking good guys are charismatic and nice.
an example is sairaorg which is an improved version of issei .... good personality, good looks and powerful, it is almost impossible to find a negative quality to the character of sairaorg.

Lucidrago
2020-02-04, 09:00
That was said in the Kuroka confession, Issei is not handsome or has the best personality (he is a pervert) but he makes his girls happy and makes them feel peace.

but if we talk about personality, the whole cast of good-looking good guys are charismatic and nice.
an example is sairaorg which is an improved version of issei .... good personality, good looks and powerful, it is almost impossible to find a negative quality to the character of sairaorg.

But is he the protagonist? :heh:

It's already accepted that being a pervert is part of who Issei is. And a lot of them are willing to live with that.

godz
2020-02-04, 09:05
But is he the protagonist? :heh:

It's already accepted that being a pervert is part of who Issei is. And a lot of them are willing to live with that.

That is why the Kuroka confession is my favorite, because it demonstrates in its sincere words the situation of all the harem girls.

cyberdemon
2020-02-04, 22:19
You do know in real life average guys score beautiful women right?

You don't have to be a very handsome guy to get with beautiful females. Now having 50 of them fall all over you wanting to have your child after you picked up her pencil is very over exaggerated as it is in almost every harem series. But it's not a foreign concept that average-looking guys can get 10/10 females. It's more about personality, status, and how you hold yourself. A lot of women would prefer an interesting average-looking guy over a handsome empty suit.

But really it's just an inside joke about how almost every male that appears in the series has incredible good looks(except Gasper and Saji) that will have the ladies swooning.

studies have shown that women tend to be happier when they are with men who are less attractive.

Issei has been said to be attractive. After his training in the mountain with Tannin, it said that the first years started to find him more attractive. However his personality is more what drive them away...

vietthai96
2020-02-06, 11:02
Actually Issei look fairly normal, not too handsome like Kiba or downright ugly. I think it is actually fitting his position as a pawn - a common soldier/civilian, also his surname mean common soldier

Lucidrago
2020-02-06, 12:37
studies have shown that women tend to be happier when they are with men who are less attractive.

Issei has been said to be attractive. After his training in the mountain with Tannin, it said that the first years started to find him more attractive. However his personality is more what drive them away...

It may be that a lot of females may not be well-equipped dealing with the problems being with men that are very good-looking like insecurity in their own looks, certain personality traits that a good-looking man may have, and other factors. So while they may not have the same issues being with a guy with average looks, I wouldn't say they are happier exactly as being in any relationship brings its fair share of problems and some we are more equipped to deal with than others depending on our gender and other factors.

I never heard that being said about Issei. I thought it was due to hanging around the ORC, his image in the school was redeemed somewhat. I never heard of any first-years starting to find him attractive.

But Issei has the look of a plain-looking MC that are nearly ubiquitous in these kinds of series.

XFire
2020-02-06, 13:28
There was mention of him getting kinda popular as he bulked up because he had a "wild" look, but his perverted nature counteracted it.

Anime/manga have never been very good at portraying the difference between "normal" and "good looking" for men, anyway.

B214
2020-02-07, 05:12
The answer is simple. Ise's Oppai pawa >>>>> dragon aura.

Lucidrago
2020-02-07, 13:58
There was mention of him getting kinda popular as he bulked up because he had a "wild" look, but his perverted nature counteracted it.

Anime/manga have never been very good at portraying the difference between "normal" and "good looking" for men, anyway.

All I remember was Kiryuu noting his chest had gotten wider.

Well they are cartoons so what did you expect?

XFire
2020-02-07, 14:36
All I remember was Kiryuu noting his chest had gotten wider.

Well they are cartoons so what did you expect?

Eh, it was kinda early on so dont really blame you for not remembering. :heh:

I know, just pointing out a weakness in the art style. Everyone tends to look generically pretty at worst.

Emperor of D.
2020-02-07, 20:02
I wonder if Issei still has low self-esteem. It seems like he still does.

Lucidrago
2020-02-07, 21:06
I wonder if Issei still has low self-esteem. It seems like he still does.

Why does someone keep bringing this up? He doesn't have low self-esteem. Or do you expect him to act like Riser when he was first introduced?

Emperor of D.
2020-02-08, 04:23
Why does someone keep bringing this up? He doesn't have low self-esteem. Or do you expect him to act like Riser when he was first introduced?

I don't expect him to act overconfident like Riser but at least like Sairaorg. Sairaorg has a good balance of humility and pride. Issei is too humble and considers most of the amazing things he has done doesn't deserve praise.

Oberstein
2020-02-08, 05:44
I don't expect him to act overconfident like Riser but at least like Sairaorg. Sairaorg has a good balance of humility and pride. Issei is too humble and considers most of the amazing things he has done doesn't deserve praise.

You can't push a caring hot blooded shounen MC trope to be bolder and arrogant.

The pride part has been taken by Vali that is why he is the rival.

Emperor of D.
2020-02-08, 13:13
You can't push a caring hot blooded shounen MC trope to be bolder and arrogant.

The pride part has been taken by Vali that is why he is the rival.

That's missing the point.

vietthai96
2020-02-09, 10:21
Issei is just a shy type when it come to praising him, he is not someone who care too much about his achievement, he care about boobs, he is similar to our famous saiyan Son Soku

Emperor of D.
2020-02-09, 20:30
Issei is just a shy type when it come to praising him, he is not someone who care too much about his achievement, he care about boobs, he is similar to our famous saiyan Son Soku

It's not about Issei being shy. It's his lack of self-esteem and he tends to underestimate himself.

Lucidrago
2020-02-09, 20:33
Issei is just a shy type when it come to praising him, he is not someone who care too much about his achievement, he care about boobs, he is similar to our famous saiyan Son Soku

Just because Issei gives a reservation every now and then doesn't mean he lacks confidence or has low self-esteem. He has displayed many acts of confidence that contradict such a claim. Really this is just something that has been repeated so long that it has now stuck to some people's minds as facts.

Issei shows a pretty average level of confidence and self-esteem overall. Just because he worries or has fears about his abilities sometimes doesn't mean he has a low self-esteem. He is really just showing regular concerns a regular person may have.

TGxKing
2020-02-15, 13:06
Life.1 He reborn? Phoenix

Story occurred somewhere in 17 – 19 vol.

Riser arrived at Issei’s home for finding help for his selection of a new peerage member (cause Ravel was exchanged by Lady Phenex). At the home were only Issei, Rias and Ravel. Riser told he wants a girl but also wonders what if a man is in his peerage. The others were astonished. Then all of them teleported to Phenex Household`s territory with the Church Trio, Gasper and Koneko. Issei, Asia and Gasper became judges for selection of a new peerage member.

Next day. There were little more than a thousand of applicants for role of a new peerage member at the entrance of Phenex Household’s territory. Irina Baker (maybe, the alias from DX.3) gave bread to them. Among the applicants were those who wanted to become an Issei’s servant in advance. Koneko warned Issei here could be women who will attempt to seduce him. Rias said here are also men. Riser told the point of this selection is receiving a younger sister.

Issei was asked by a woman is he a Red Dragon Emperor. Issei agreed and she began seducing him. Later Ravel arrived and saved Issei. Then Ravel lectured Issei for his carelessness.

At the selection were Takahashi Sky, Bapple-kun, No-head Honda, Salamander Tomita, Stefani, Kristi. They all passed trials and started the final trial. Riser asked Issei where is any woman among them. Issei told they are two gorillas. Riser is in anger, cause it will be bad if he receive a gorilla. Issei said it isn’t so bad. They started fighting. Then a beautiful girl with blue hair and white clothes appeared to cheer gorillas. It was younger sister of Kristi. Yubelluna said it’s a young Yuki-onna and she is in age when furs begin growing. Riser went to her to offer becoming his «Bishop». However, gorillas punched him and Riser started fighting against them (except this girl).

In the end, the selection had failed. However, the other day Riser met the beautiful blue-haired girl and invited her to his Household’s territory as an applicant. Her becoming of his new peerage member depends on negotiations with Yuki-onna gorillas.

Issei told he wants to go catching a such Yuki-onna in mountains. Koneko asked is he ready to battle bunch of gorillas. Issei said not really.

Lucidrago
2020-02-16, 19:55
Life.1 He reborn? Phoenix

Story occurred somewhere in 17 – 19 vol.

Riser arrived at Issei’s home for finding help for his selection of a new peerage member (cause Ravel was exchanged by Lady Phenex). At the home were only Issei, Rias and Ravel. Riser told he wants a girl but also wonders what if a man is in his peerage. The others were astonished. Then all of them teleported to Phenex Household`s territory with the Church Trio, Gasper and Koneko. Issei, Asia and Gasper became judges for selection of a new peerage member.

Next day. There were little more than a thousand of applicants for role of a new peerage member at the entrance of Phenex Household’s territory. Irina Baker (maybe, the alias from DX.3) gave bread to them. Among the applicants were those who wanted to become an Issei’s servant in advance. Koneko warned Issei here could be women who will attempt to seduce him. Rias said here are also men. Riser told the point of this selection is receiving a younger sister.

Issei was asked by a woman is he a Red Dragon Emperor. Issei agreed and she began seducing him. Later Ravel arrived and saved Issei. Then Ravel lectured Issei for his carelessness.

At the selection were Takahashi Sky, Bapple-kun, No-head Honda, Salamander Tomita, Stefani, Kristi. They all passed trials and started the final trial. Riser asked Issei where is any woman among them. Issei told they are two gorillas. Riser is in anger, cause it will be bad if he receive a gorilla. Issei said it isn’t so bad. They started fighting. Then a beautiful girl with blue hair and white clothes appeared to cheer gorillas. It was younger sister of Kristi. Yubelluna said it’s a young Yuki-onna and she is in age when furs begin growing. Riser went to her to offer becoming his «Bishop». However, gorillas punched him and Riser started fighting against them (except this girl).

In the end, the selection had failed. However, the other day Riser met the beautiful blue-haired girl and invited her to his Household’s territory as an applicant. Her becoming of his new peerage member depends on negotiations with Yuki-onna gorillas.

Issei told he wants to go catching a such Yuki-onna in mountains. Koneko asked is he ready to battle bunch of gorillas. Issei said not really.


I wonder why Sairaorg is there. Maybe him and Riser became bros after all their sparring matches with each other. And maybe he wants to assure that Riser's bishop is strong enough.

TGxKing
2020-02-29, 05:36
Story occured during Azazel Cup's preliminaries.

A white man with muscular body recommended himself to Ruval Phenex. He is 25+ yeard old. In the garden of the Phenex Household he turned on lighting equipment just due to touching it. After that he transformed Ruval's sport car into multiple canons. Further it was transformed into steel wings. Ruval rejoiced and asked name of the man. He is Magnus Rose, CIA's agent which providing observation of the tournament according to an order. Magnus Rose said the Rizevim's fake phoenix tears cause some problems to USA, as they were circulated near the mafia. He is in charge of investigating it. Moreover, the human world's higher-ups found out about supernatural things and now they are realizing researching of paranormal powers more thoroughly. USA collect information on the tournament for measures against supernatural things.

Magnus Rose had a new-species Sacred Gear that can manipulate machines. It's a new Longinus "Unknown Dictator" (kanji is "Prince of the Machine Kingdom").

Ruval made Magnus Rose his new team member.

Cntryguy541
2020-03-03, 13:53
She could join anyone, but I think she would not want to be a devil for anyone. It would Vali, since she is already on Vali's team. It could also be anyone in the Rias "family" peerage. That being said, I agree Rias and Le Fay have never really talked so Rias makes no sense. Xenovia or any or the others also makes no sense because they don't deal with Le Fay. Logically to go along with the story we have been given so far it would be team Ise as a pawn.

The Infinite Dream
2020-07-03, 01:21
It appears ZX is going to be translating a couple chapters this month. Life.4 and life.6

Giuseppe1234
2020-07-26, 17:05
https://www.zxzxzx.info/highschool-dxd/highschool-dxd-volume-dx5-life-6/

saucerKing
2020-07-26, 18:48
interesting... so i can start to be hyped!

Itsmepatrick
2020-07-28, 06:10
Poor Vali got played by Lavinia.

saucerKing
2020-07-28, 18:46
that story also revealed an important bit, tobio team is even more freaking overpowered than we thought. three taoties, three giant monsters that can eat practically everything even god-class attacks, this is one member, and no mention of it being a balance breaker. shigune too OP, pls nerf or dulio dies

Itsmepatrick
2020-07-28, 19:48
Yeah Dulio's Team will be in disadvantage in terms of overall team strength plus in terms of teamwork Tobio's Team has a great advantage as he's been working with his teammates for a long time . Maybe Dulio will finally add the other Extra Joker and the Extra joker candidates that are mentioned in volume 23 to at least add some firepower in his team.All in all this will be a great fight.

saucerKing
2020-07-28, 20:25
i hope we get to see cristaldi again, loved the way he fights and how we get to see excalibur powers actually being used creatively.

Itsmepatrick
2020-07-29, 04:51
Maybe we'll also get to see Cristaldi as even Vasco joined Azazel Cup maybe will somehow convinced him.Anyway he will be a great additiion along with Extra Joker and other Extra Joker candidates in Dulio's Team.

Lucidrago
2020-07-30, 21:09
Yeah Dulio's Team will be in disadvantage in terms of overall team strength plus in terms of teamwork Tobio's Team has a great advantage as he's been working with his teammates for a long time . Maybe Dulio will finally add the other Extra Joker and the Extra joker candidates that are mentioned in volume 23 to at least add some firepower in his team.All in all this will be a great fight.

You do know that Lint is the Extra Joker, right?

Nothing really suggests that Tobio's team really has an advantage over them. Sure we can use the fact that they have two Longinus on the Slash Dog team while Dulio's team only has one. And Shigune's Sacred Gear. But that's basically it. And we can use the fact that Dulio's team has the advantage of the Brave Saints cards as well as the abilities of the evil pieces, one of the top Rating Games players and tacticians as their advisor, and Dulio has a high-tier Longinus. But we all know that Ishibumi is going to treat both teams as equal regardless of what advantages each team has over the other. Like Sairaorg vs Cao Cao in DX4.

saucerKing
2020-07-30, 21:55
You do know that Lint is the Extra Joker, right?

Nothing really suggests that Tobio's team really has an advantage over them. Sure we can use the fact that they have two Longinus on the Slash Dog team while Dulio's team only has one. And Shigune's Sacred Gear. But that's basically it. And we can use the fact that Dulio's team has the advantage of the Brave Saints cards as well as the abilities of the evil pieces, one of the top Rating Games players and tacticians as their advisor, and Dulio has a high-tier Longinus. But we all know that Ishibumi is going to treat both teams as equal regardless of what advantages each team has over the other. Like Sairaorg vs Cao Cao in DX4.
lint is an extra joker candidate, not the official extra joker otherwise present evidence of it

tobio has the advantage by leagues. he can defeat one on one any of dulio team including dulio himself, lavinia can freeze the whole field and most of their enemies in it whit no problem and shigune has 3 monsters that are at the very least satan class without a balance breaker and lets not forget their teamwork is much better too. what does dulio has? a high-tier longinus and a terrible compatibility whit tobio powers, the rest of his team is nothing worth mentioning and rudiger while a boon is not that huge of an advantage. dulio only got lucky on the game against issei because it was a ball game and his longinus provided a great advantage in that situation and issei teamwork was full of holes, something tobio team doesn't has.

face it, dulio team should be stomped due to having one member that can actually give a fight, the rest so far are nothing important aside of nero who only works as a tank... too bad he can still be cut by tobio, eaten by tao tie or frozen by lavinia. but it will still probably be a "close match" because the only stomp we got so far during the tournament was off-screen.

Itsmepatrick
2020-07-30, 22:40
You do know that Lint is the Extra Joker, right?

Nothing really suggests that Tobio's team really has an advantage over them. Sure we can use the fact that they have two Longinus on the Slash Dog team while Dulio's team only has one. And Shigune's Sacred Gear. But that's basically it. And we can use the fact that Dulio's team has the advantage of the Brave Saints cards as well as the abilities of the evil pieces, one of the top Rating Games players and tacticians as their advisor, and Dulio has a high-tier Longinus. But we all know that Ishibumi is going to treat both teams as equal regardless of what advantages each team has over the other. Like Sairaorg vs Cao Cao in DX4.

As far as I remember Lint is still just a candidate for Extra Joker.
- In Volume 23, it was mentioned that there is another Joker (also knows as the Extra Joker), but the status and information on this person is currently unknown.
-It was mentioned by Lint Sellzen that she is a Extra Joker candidate, when she revealed herself to be a newly Reincarnated Angel with silver wings and there are also several other people as Extra Joker candidates. Silver-winged Angels were candidates for the [Extra Joker] position that existed among reincarnated Angels. There were a number of people who could utilise the [Joker] in the Angels’ [Trump Card] prepared in order to act as a substitute. The [Extra Joker] in the Angels’ [Trump Card] system was used when a [Joker] couldn’t be utilized or when a substitute of the [Joker] was needed to be on the move.

Yeah nothing suggest that Tobio's team has an advantage over Dulio's Team but as far as the composition of Team members was concerned it was obvious that Tobio's Team already has an advantage over Dulio's Team. You have 2 Longinus users with one having an abyss side balance breaker plus there's the Absolute Demise plus there's the current user of a sacred Gear that can anything like the attack of longinus, magic etc.. there's still the other Four Fiends sacred gear users and there's still members that are not yet known. There's also the advantage in teamwork as Tobio and his teammates have been working together for years so their teamwork is superb and flawless .

And Tobio's team was also supported by Japanese Gods and we still don't know what kind of support they give to Tobio's Team

Giuseppe1234
2020-07-31, 06:41
lint is an extra joker candidate, not the official extra joker otherwise present evidence of it

tobio has the advantage by leagues. he can defeat one on one any of dulio team including dulio himself, lavinia can freeze the whole field and most of their enemies in it whit no problem and shigune has 3 monsters that are at the very least satan class without a balance breaker and lets not forget their teamwork is much better too. what does dulio has? a high-tier longinus and a terrible compatibility whit tobio powers, the rest of his team is nothing worth mentioning and rudiger while a boon is not that huge of an advantage. dulio only got lucky on the game against issei because it was a ball game and his longinus provided a great advantage in that situation and issei teamwork was full of holes, something tobio team doesn't has.

face it, dulio team should be stomped due to having one member that can actually give a fight, the rest so far are nothing important aside of nero who only works as a tank... too bad he can still be cut by tobio, eaten by tao tie or frozen by lavinia. but it will still probably be a "close match" because the only stomp we got so far during the tournament was off-screen.

Only to add something:

“High tier Longinus”. Yes, unfortunately this Longinus make Dulio only maou class and could not even defeat Issei CxC more tired from him, with the advantage of holy element.
Only because someone has a Longinus of high class, does not mean is a monster.

While Tobio’s Longinus may be inferior as tier, but overpass completely it. However do not forget the other SG owners of the demons. Furthermore Tobio has the support of japanese’s Gods.

You do know that Lint is the Extra Joker, right?

Nothing really suggests that Tobio's team really has an advantage over them. Sure we can use the fact that they have two Longinus on the Slash Dog team while Dulio's team only has one. And Shigune's Sacred Gear. But that's basically it. And we can use the fact that Dulio's team has the advantage of the Brave Saints cards as well as the abilities of the evil pieces, one of the top Rating Games players and tacticians as their advisor, and Dulio has a high-tier Longinus. But we all know that Ishibumi is going to treat both teams as equal regardless of what advantages each team has over the other. Like Sairaorg vs Cao Cao in DX4.

The excuse of the plot is not a valid reason, furthermore their team are not comparable with Sairaorg vs Cao Cao.

For Cao Cao’s side, the only powerful hero faction members are Hercules defeated by Sairaorg, George who his Longinus is useless in RG and Kusha had a big compatibility, Jeann, Guan and Perseo. The rest is completely fodder. Especially the 8 pawns.

For Sairaorg, only Kusha is known to be very powerful, furthermore “Hole” could allow her to avoid Guan and obtain time. The other members can keep the pass with the other guys. There is not so much difference.

The things are different with Tobio and Dulio.

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-01, 00:49
Well Cao Cao's Team realistically speaking should be able to defeat Sairaorg's Team easily if Cao Cao uses his Truth Idea and just play with his usual style.There's also the issue of Georg's Dimension Lost's balance breaker being sealed or banned to be exact by Three Factions and then Perseus didn't use his balance breaker. Sairaorg's Team is basically just like a one man army.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-01, 05:59
Well Cao Cao's Team realistically speaking should be able to defeat Sairaorg's Team easily if Cao Cao uses his Truth Idea and just play with his usual style.There's also the issue of Georg's Dimension Lost's balance breaker being sealed or banned to be exact by Three Factions and then Perseus didn't use his balance breaker. Sairaorg's Team is basically just like a one man army.

Sairaorg would be able to defeat Cao Cao if was not too stupid. Every his attack is superior to Crimson Blaster, if you can not hit directly him (another bullshit), destroy the whole place trough shockwaves or hit a punches near him.

Perseus used the balance breaker, furthermore is not monster that change the match.

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-01, 12:02
Sairaorg would be able to defeat Cao Cao if was not too stupid. Every his attack is superior to Crimson Blaster, if you can not hit directly him (another bullshit), destroy the whole place trough shockwaves or hit a punches near him.

Perseus used the balance breaker, furthermore is not monster that change the match.

Yeah Sairaorg's attacks are strong but you have to remember that Cao Cao's Longinus is very lethal against Devils as its one of the Holy Relics. If Cao Cao used his Truth Idea in this match he can easily defeat Sairaorg whose strength is only above Satan Class. Truth Idea can even cause some pain and almost robbed Apophis who has Heavenly Dragon class strength of his consciousness .

Perseus's Balance Breaker should be very effective against the members of Sairaorg's Team they are not extremely strong as most of them should only have high class devil strength. The only notable member of Sairaorg's Team was Kuisha in my opinion.

And in that match Georg was still banned by the Three Factions from using his Balance Breaker .Also at that time Guan Yu was obviously not serious at that time otherwise he can easily defeat almost all of Sairaorg's teammates with his strength .

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-01, 19:26
Yeah Sairaorg's attacks are strong but you have to remember that Cao Cao's Longinus is very lethal against Devils as its one of the Holy Relics. If Cao Cao used his Truth Idea in this match he can easily defeat Sairaorg whose strength is only above Satan Class. Truth Idea can even cause some pain and almost robbed Apophis who has Heavenly Dragon class strength of his consciousness .

Perseus's Balance Breaker should be very effective against the members of Sairaorg's Team they are not extremely strong as most of them should only have high class devil strength. The only notable member of Sairaorg's Team was Kuisha in my opinion.

And in that match Georg was still banned by the Three Factions from using his Balance Breaker .Also at that time Guan Yu was obviously not serious at that time otherwise he can easily defeat almost all of Sairaorg's teammates with his strength .

So lethal the strongest longinus hat could not even kill Issei CxC (ultimate devil class) and would be killed in one second by Vali EJOD.

Each Sairaorg's punches was stronger Crimson blaster that has a big rage. Nevertheless he could alwasy dodge the aura that would have a big range. As for the story who forgets always the shockwaves for the plot. And a slightly contact technically would reduce in ashes Cao Cao's Body.

Affirm that only for Truth Idea he may win is absolutely no sense. The power only above maou class could deflect easily Shooting star's bullets that could blow away easily Low God class beings and destroy several Islands and the same field.

All demonstration more powerful that the "strongest longinus". Sairaorg could easily destroy the field and defeat Cao Cao trough it.

The pain was only momentary and not even serious, just because only after some seconds Apophis was in perfect conditions. Furthemore for him even a punch of Issei CxC would give him big damages being a cannon glass, not a big point.

Persues has showed only to defeat a knight, nothing of incredible. Furthemore even the major part of Hero faction is not so strong. Sairaorg's members train their-self continuosly and we do not know their level power. Like if every member of Cao Cao team was ultimate class devil.
There is even the queen of Sairaorg's brother.

Source to affirm it about Guan? Becuase there are not reason to say he was not serious during the fight, furthemore he is not even a powerful God.

saucerKing
2020-08-01, 20:55
So lethal the strongest longinus hat could not even kill Issei CxC (ultimate devil class) and would be killed in one second by Vali EJOD.

Each Sairaorg's punches was stronger Crimson blaster that has a big rage. Nevertheless he could alwasy dodge the aura that would have a big range. As for the story who forgets always the shockwaves for the plot. And a slightly contact technically would reduce in ashes Cao Cao's Body.

Affirm that only for Truth Idea he may win is absolutely no sense. The power only above maou class could deflect easily Shooting star's bullets that could blow away easily Low God class beings and destroy several Islands and the same field.

All demonstration more powerful that the "strongest longinus". Sairaorg could easily destroy the field and defeat Cao Cao trough it.

The pain was only momentary and not even serious, just because only after some seconds Apophis was in perfect conditions. Furthemore for him even a punch of Issei CxC would give him big damages being a cannon glass, not a big point.

Persues has showed only to defeat a knight, nothing of incredible. Furthemore even the major part of Hero faction is not so strong. Sairaorg's members train their-self continuosly and we do not know their level power. Like if every member of Cao Cao team was ultimate class devil.
There is even the queen of Sairaorg's brother.

Source to affirm it about Guan? Becuase there are not reason to say he was not serious during the fight, furthemore he is not even a powerful God.
while i agree cao cao spear was not going to be an insta win (and it wasn't) it was still a huge advantage since light literally poisons devils so one good strike and sairaorg was going to be on a timer.

lets be fair here, cao cao also forgot he has all these nifty orbs whit powers for the plot. had he not forgotten sairaorg would be screwed since he would have to defend from a teleporting cao cao, a bunch of clones and the rest of the orbs that can be used as weapons too.

truth idea if it does work it would supremely screw over sairaorg, of course considering the precedents its more likely to screw cao cao over since the only time we see it working it was against evil dragons leading trihexa.

cao cao if he had been allowed to be smart he would've went full shooting star and fired light beams from the other side of the field, that alone would get rid of most of sairaorg peerage

the pain seemed to be a mental attack but it was serious since apophis almost passed out (not even after getting a longinus smasher + infinity blaster he passed out), he could fight issei later because his body was fine and the migraine was gone. yet he was not instantly vaporized by longinus smasher + infinity blaster

i think the problem whit perseus BB is that its hax as fuck its the same medusa that stoned azazel and you have to deal whit it while fighting perseus so a single mistake and most of sairaorg team is done for.

so do the members of the hero faction, and last time we saw them fight they got much better results than sairaorg team.

as far as we know magdaran queen is a chump that was casually defeated, he is at best a high-class devil.

he might not be a powerful god but he is still a god, sure he is a god of commerce but he is also a trained warrior whit experience unlike most gods of commerce. a god of commerce is still above maou class, and unlike others of his kind he does know how to fight. meanwhile the only one in sairaorg team near that level is sairaorg himself whit breakdown the beast

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-02, 00:26
Guan yu is a very powerful god as in Volume DX4 he is stated to have Ultimate God class in the Underworld as to where that power level can be placed in I'm not sure. Guan yu is capable of handling the entire Hero faction in case of slight betrayal. You pit someone with that strength and the result will be obvious to all, it'll be instant defeat or they will be easily defeated as most of Sairaorg's teammates are high class devil at most in terms of strength the only notable one in Sairaorg's Team was Kuisha.

Well for Cao Cao's Truth Idea, it's effects depend on God's will in the Holy Spear and absorbs the wielder's ambition of this spear, and by responding to how strong the opponent is, it will create many effects and miracles . It should worked to almost anyone except Issei due to him being an abnormal existence, and him being the incarnation of miracles.


All in all Cao Cao's is much stronger than Sairaorg's Team on top of them having powerful sacred gears. Like for example Jeanne's Blade Blacksmith and her balance breaker is dangerous devils to its Holy [Trait ].

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-02, 05:05
Guan yu is a very powerful god as in Volume DX4 he is stated to have Ultimate God class in the Underworld as to where that power level can be placed in I'm not sure. Guan yu is capable of handling the entire Hero faction in case of slight betrayal. You pit someone with that strength and the result will be obvious to all, it'll be instant defeat or they will be easily defeated as most of Sairaorg's teammates are high class devil at most in terms of strength the only notable one in Sairaorg's Team was Kuisha.

Well for Cao Cao's Truth Idea, it's effects depend on God's will in the Holy Spear and absorbs the wielder's ambition of this spear, and by responding to how strong the opponent is, it will create many effects and miracles . It should worked to almost anyone except Issei due to him being an abnormal existence, and him being the incarnation of miracles.


All in all Cao Cao's is much stronger than Sairaorg's Team on top of them having powerful sacred gears. Like for example Jeanne's Blade Blacksmith and her balance breaker is dangerous devils to its Holy [Trait ].

It is irrelevant what has been said during Dx4, for exemple Hercules said that Sairaorg boasted the strongest attack out of all the young devils, including Vali Lucifer and Issei. When Vali in EJOD is completely superior than him and more powerful. Let alone DxD L. For issei was right if you do not count P DxD.

Guan during the fight showed 0 talents, furthermore is only a god of agriculture or commerce, the lowest class. His speed was not enough to blitz Kusha and his power could not broke the holes. Until now he showed to be enough weak. Powerful Gods are those of battle as heavenly kings or above as chief/supreme Gods.
If he was so strong, Cao Cao’s team would have not losted more times in the preliminaries.

Sairaorg who is “only over maou class” destroyed easily Abbadon, even with alla the damages receive previously. Even if he was maou class and until now is the best user of Hole.

Until now the only demonstration of Truth Idea was not worthy of the “strongest Longinus”. It is useless speak about something unknown and probably will be forever

The only powerful Sacred gears are True Longinus and Lost dimension that can not use the BxB. Jeanne showed 0 talents during the match and having an advantage of affinity not make you superior.

godz
2020-08-02, 09:56
I do not remember when it was said that cao cao had had losses in the tournament, can you pass me the fragment of the novel where these defeats are related?

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-02, 11:27
I do not remember when it was said that cao cao had had losses in the tournament, can you pass me the fragment of the novel where these defeats are related?

Vol25

After I said that, Cao Cao shrugged his shoulders.

“I am basically Sakra’s vanguard. If I am told to ‘do it’, then I have no choice but to do as he says.”

The Hero Faction team that was led by Cao Cao also continued to steadily gain stars in the Tournament. He still lost at times if the compatibility, and other factors were poor, but there were two Longinus Sacred Gear users in that team who had attained their Balance Breakers.

godz
2020-08-02, 11:52
Vol25

After I said that, Cao Cao shrugged his shoulders.

“I am basically Sakra’s vanguard. If I am told to ‘do it’, then I have no choice but to do as he says.”

The Hero Faction team that was led by Cao Cao also continued to steadily gain stars in the Tournament. He still lost at times if the compatibility, and other factors were poor, but there were two Longinus Sacred Gear users in that team who had attained their Balance Breakers.

Thank you.

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-10, 20:00
If Georg's ban on his Longinus(specifically Balance Breaker) will be released in this competition, it'll be a great help to Cao Cao in their match against Surtr Team.

saucerKing
2020-08-11, 05:26
If Georg's ban on his Longinus(specifically Balance Breaker) will be released in this competition, it'll be a great help to Cao Cao in their match against Surtr Team.
i dont remember there being a ban on his longinus balance breaker, if anything there is probably a ban for him just moving people outside the arena to win by default. what he needs though is either leonardo for his giant monsters or someone else to be the tank of the team since he is lacking in that department. he still needs someone to deal whit guys like issei or sairaorg since his team can lose if he so much as gets hit once

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-11, 10:50
i dont remember there being a ban on his longinus balance breaker, if anything there is probably a ban for him just moving people outside the arena to win by default. what he needs though is either leonardo for his giant monsters or someone else to be the tank of the team since he is lacking in that department. he still needs someone to deal whit guys like issei or sairaorg since his team can lose if he so much as gets hit once


This was stated in Shin volume 3 :


Georg then activated the magic circle on his hand once again. As the 3D Kyoto map began to rise, there was a new 3D map made in the space below that. The new 3D map resembled Urakyoto closely. Koneko-chan who saw this said,

“…It looks like Urakyoto, this pseudo-space.”

Georg nodded.

“The Youkai side is also cooperating with us, so we made the space resemble the one that they’re used to. By doing this, it will be easier for us to know what’s where and plan various strategies.”
That’s right, the space that we’re going to fight against Erebus’ group was based on Urakyoto. Last year, the pseudo-space was made to resemble Kyoto, but this year, it’s Urakyoto. Gasper then expressed his doubt.

“The enemies are Devils that are said to be Maou-class and Primordial Gods, right? Plus there are also the unknown…a countless amount of the Devils born in Netherworld. To teleport such a big amount at once would be…”

Georg lightly smiled and fixed his glasses.

“I have received permission to use my ability. It seems like I’ll be able to show you the true power of a High-class Longinus.”

Due to Georg and Leonardo’s Longinus being too powerful, they could even destroy a country depending on how it’s used. No, they could even affect the world. For that reason, Georg and Leonardo’s Longinus abilities were restrained. Georg could use it to a certain extent, but the immature Leonardo’s abilities were restrained to almost completely sealed. Regarding the usage of Georg’s ability, Sakra who is their boss, the higher-ups of the three factions, as well as all the VIPs of all mythologies had given him the permission. That’s just how much of the groundwork was needed in order for Georg to use his abilities. After all, they were the ones who caused the [Demonic Beast Riot] (although there was also Shalba Beelzebub’s influence). Still, he was allowed to use it this time. That just showed how the way the Rulers of Hell handled wasn’t tolerated by all of the mythologies.

saucerKing
2020-08-11, 15:23
This was stated in Shin volume 3 :


Georg then activated the magic circle on his hand once again. As the 3D Kyoto map began to rise, there was a new 3D map made in the space below that. The new 3D map resembled Urakyoto closely. Koneko-chan who saw this said,

“…It looks like Urakyoto, this pseudo-space.”

Georg nodded.

“The Youkai side is also cooperating with us, so we made the space resemble the one that they’re used to. By doing this, it will be easier for us to know what’s where and plan various strategies.”
That’s right, the space that we’re going to fight against Erebus’ group was based on Urakyoto. Last year, the pseudo-space was made to resemble Kyoto, but this year, it’s Urakyoto. Gasper then expressed his doubt.

“The enemies are Devils that are said to be Maou-class and Primordial Gods, right? Plus there are also the unknown…a countless amount of the Devils born in Netherworld. To teleport such a big amount at once would be…”

Georg lightly smiled and fixed his glasses.

“I have received permission to use my ability. It seems like I’ll be able to show you the true power of a High-class Longinus.”

Due to Georg and Leonardo’s Longinus being too powerful, they could even destroy a country depending on how it’s used. No, they could even affect the world. For that reason, Georg and Leonardo’s Longinus abilities were restrained. Georg could use it to a certain extent, but the immature Leonardo’s abilities were restrained to almost completely sealed. Regarding the usage of Georg’s ability, Sakra who is their boss, the higher-ups of the three factions, as well as all the VIPs of all mythologies had given him the permission. That’s just how much of the groundwork was needed in order for Georg to use his abilities. After all, they were the ones who caused the [Demonic Beast Riot] (although there was also Shalba Beelzebub’s influence). Still, he was allowed to use it this time. That just showed how the way the Rulers of Hell handled wasn’t tolerated by all of the mythologies.


dunno if that includes the tournament, the way its said it seems more like they have georg and leonardo under vigilance on missions. i doubt they would restrain them during the RG tournament otherwise it would be straight up cheating since people whit much more powerful can fight whit no limits imposed. if anything the "restraints" are merely telling them to ask permission before using their full power on instances like these where sakra or guan yu are not directly there to stop them

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-12, 00:26
They're putting some restraint on Georg's Longinus along with Leornado's due to how powerful and dangerous their longinus can be. The Three Factions (especially the Devil's side) also didn't want another monster Riot or something similar to it to happen again. And Georg and Leornado only rejoin Cao Cao in DX. 4 as they're in the Realm of the dead so it's understandable if they'll put some restrictions or banned Georg from using his balance breaker even in the competition. But well see in their match against Surtr if the Three Factions and Sakra already lifted the restrictions on him using his balance breaker completely or not.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-12, 06:16
They're putting some restraint on Georg's Longinus along with Leornado's due to how powerful and dangerous their longinus can be. The Three Factions (especially the Devil's side) also didn't want another monster Riot or something similar to it to happen again. And Georg and Leornado only rejoin Cao Cao in DX. 4 as they're in the Realm of the dead so it's understandable if they'll put some restrictions or banned Georg from using his balance breaker even in the competition. But well see in their match against Surtr if the Three Factions and Sakra already lifted the restrictions on him using his balance breaker completely or not.

Leonard did not rejoin in the team.

saucerKing
2020-08-12, 06:28
They're putting some restraint on Georg's Longinus along with Leornado's due to how powerful and dangerous their longinus can be. The Three Factions (especially the Devil's side) also didn't want another monster Riot or something similar to it to happen again. And Georg and Leornado only rejoin Cao Cao in DX. 4 as they're in the Realm of the dead so it's understandable if they'll put some restrictions or banned Georg from using his balance breaker even in the competition. But well see in their match against Surtr if the Three Factions and Sakra already lifted the restrictions on him using his balance breaker completely or not.
i will say it again, i think the restrictions apply to everything but the tournament battles. otherwise this would be straight up cheating since much more powerful and dangerous beings (like sakra himself or vali, issei and fenrir) are fighting whit no restriction whatsoever. on missions and daily life? sure i can believe it, on the tournament whit the people participating there? it would be bullshit and straight up unfair for them to be limited in any way shape or form

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-12, 20:47
At least these guys joined DxD Team and Sakra is a God while Georg is a terrorist and he even became with the Realm of the Dead(mostly it's due to Hades) who the Three Factions have some distrust with .Cao Cao became Sakra's Vanguard and assist unlike Georg who's in the Realm of the Dead. But they should've completely lifted the ban or restrictions on Georg. Well we can confirmed it on DX. 6 as I think Surtr and Cao Cao should be one of the matches that will be featured in that volume.

B214
2020-08-14, 23:27
The tournament is like a war but in a controlled format.

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-21, 19:45
Due to the simple rules in the Main Tournament individual strength will play a large role than tactics so how I wonder how will Diehauser bridgr the gap in strength between their teams .

Sekiryuu12
2020-08-22, 11:17
He won't. If he does, it's bullshit, or maybe he'll recruit Mahabali.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-22, 15:35
Due to the simple rules in the Main Tournament individual strength will play a large role than tactics so how I wonder how will Diehauser bridgr the gap in strength between their teams .

The stupidity of the plot can make everything possible, for some reasons issei will use only CxC.

On the other hand we have seen Balberith pass to defeat easily Mahabali and co to being defeated from Sairsorg for bullshits as for verrine.

Nothing is impossible for the nerf

Lucidrago
2020-08-22, 17:08
The stupidity of the plot can make everything possible, for some reasons issei will use only CxC.

On the other hand we have seen Balberith pass to defeat easily Mahabali and co to being defeated from Sairsorg for bullshits as for verrine.

Nothing is impossible for the nerf

Well he'll just nerf DxD again like he's been doing since Shin Volume 1.

Ishibumi kind of wrote himself into a hole with Issei's opponents as no one can really face him since he's Top 10 but Ishibumi keeps nerfing him despite there being no reason for it at this point.

Shin Volume 4 was quite ridiculous. But all the Shin volumes have at this point.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-22, 17:38
Well he'll just nerf DxD again like he's been doing since Shin Volume 1.

Ishibumi kind of wrote himself into a hole with Issei's opponents as no one can really face him since he's Top 10 but Ishibumi keeps nerfing him despite there being no reason for it at this point.

Shin Volume 4 was quite ridiculous. But all the Shin volumes have at this point.

I agree perfectly, all suddenly those Gods that technically can not may face Issei for the stupid reason he’s top 10 and between him and those under that position there is a big difference. But for other characters it’s impossible, I remember Typhon’s introduction in which was established god class beings not skilled were not even a match for him.

But contrary, when issei faced opponents stronger than him, but not even too much for him was impossible even fight with them, I want to put in mention the match with Belial at Agreas, ultimate class with maou class, there is a big difference, but certainly not as big as with a top 10 and god not fighters or else.

However the nerf of issei happens even before the beginning of Shin, in a way inferior, for exemple never using penetrate during the various matches because it’s too powerful or discredit him at the beginning of the tournament

Honestly I have a little hope on the new enemies, hoping the stupidity of the plot will not block Regalzeva and co, at this point, speaking as a true fan of DxD I’m disappointed always more reading the newest volumes. Fortunately slash dog has not this problems.

Lucidrago
2020-08-22, 23:26
I agree perfectly, all suddenly those Gods that technically can not may face Issei for the stupid reason he’s top 10 and between him and those under that position there is a big difference. But for other characters it’s impossible, I remember Typhon’s introduction in which was established god class beings not skilled were not even a match for him.

But contrary, when issei faced opponents stronger than him, but not even too much for him was impossible even fight with them, I want to put in mention the match with Belial at Agreas, ultimate class with maou class, there is a big difference, but certainly not as big as with a top 10 and god not fighters or else.

However the nerf of issei happens even before the beginning of Shin, in a way inferior, for exemple never using penetrate during the various matches because it’s too powerful or discredit him at the beginning of the tournament

Honestly I have a little hope on the new enemies, hoping the stupidity of the plot will not block Regalzeva and co, at this point, speaking as a true fan of DxD I’m disappointed always more reading the newest volumes. Fortunately slash dog has not this problems.

There were only like three major matches he had before Shin. And I don't think he needed to use Penetrate against Barakiel or Dulio. Seems like a very weak example as it's not as powerful as you think. But I'm a bit biased as I didn't like the way Penetrate was introduced(although it became useful in later volumes unlike Hauteclere).

The nerf with Issei being able to use Pseudo DxD for 10 seconds was kind of understandable. But after drinking the Amrita, Issei shouldn't be in prolonged fights with anyone that isn't Top 10 level in my view. But Ishibumi justifies it with 'But they're G-O-D-S.' But Issei managed to overwhelm Vidar to the point where he needed the Midgardsomir armor and yet can't defeat Nyx because of some special clothes? Or not being able to defeat Rias because he couldn't use Dress Break.

Although one of Issei's worst nerfs in my view came in Volume 19 when Issei punched Strada once and Strada blocked Issei's fist with his sword and Issei just gave up. I know the whole poibt was to show off Strada but to think that Issei can't take Strada on when Gasper, Xenovia, and Arthur could seems kind of ridiculous to me.

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-23, 00:14
But contrary, when issei faced opponents stronger than him, but not even too much for him was impossible even fight with them, I want to put in mention the match with Belial at Agreas, ultimate class with maou class, there is a big difference, but certainly not as big as with a top 10 and god not fighters or else.

In his fight with Diehauser in Agares Issei losing is somewhat understandable as that time his Cardinal Crimson Promotion is still Ultimate class in terms of power(it only got increased to Satan class in volume 22 ) while Diehauser is Satan class with a terrifying control of his [Worthless] ability to the point that he can even use it in system like eating game retiring system. There's still many weaknesses in his Cardinal Crimson Promotion form at that as he only started his training with Sun Wukong in volume 17 .Issei even commented at that time that Diehauser will be still be able to stand up even if he got hit by Longinus Smasher .

saucerKing
2020-08-24, 00:14
Although one of Issei's worst nerfs in my view came in Volume 19 when Issei punched Strada once and Strada blocked Issei's fist with his sword and Issei just gave up. I know the whole poibt was to show off Strada but to think that Issei can't take Strada on when Gasper, Xenovia, and Arthur could seems kind of ridiculous to me.
i mean, issei technically cant take on strada at all at that point? he is as physically strong as sairaorg whit armor, has a replica of durandal he uses leagues better than xenovia, is much faster than he, has actual technique and does holy damage, lots of it. issei was frankly inferior in raw power which is most the time his saving quality and was completely surpassed in everything to a big degree aside of stamina. xenovia taking on him was bullshit, true, but the other two not. arthur is the only one shown to actually match him in swordsmanship and gasper frankly should've stomped him

really, gasper got the nerf harder than anyone, especially that volume. just stop the geezer time and gang on him whit a bunch of monster, or use his darkness, really gasper for all the hype he got on his first time he became pitifully weak after it. he went from DIO + lovecraftian god to a winged gorilla. guy does not even stop time anymore even

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-24, 05:23
There were only like three major matches he had before Shin. And I don't think he needed to use Penetrate against Barakiel or Dulio. Seems like a very weak example as it's not as powerful as you think. But I'm a bit biased as I didn't like the way Penetrate was introduced(although it became useful in later volumes unlike Hauteclere).

The nerf with Issei being able to use Pseudo DxD for 10 seconds was kind of understandable. But after drinking the Amrita, Issei shouldn't be in prolonged fights with anyone that isn't Top 10 level in my view. But Ishibumi justifies it with 'But they're G-O-D-S.' But Issei managed to overwhelm Vidar to the point where he needed the Midgardsomir armor and yet can't defeat Nyx because of some special clothes? Or not being able to defeat Rias because he couldn't use Dress Break.

Although one of Issei's worst nerfs in my view came in Volume 19 when Issei punched Strada once and Strada blocked Issei's fist with his sword and Issei just gave up. I know the whole poibt was to show off Strada but to think that Issei can't take Strada on when Gasper, Xenovia, and Arthur could seems kind of ridiculous to me.

With Barakiel was not pretty necessary, but however with Dulio could be useful, when he needed to use the partial P DxD to increase his attacks.

“It does not seem as powerful as you think”. Mainly thanks to this ability Ddraig could keep the pass with Crom Cruach. A normal punches does not make much damages to him, but one with penetrate transmits the whole damage to your body. Crom was breathing violently and spouted blood for a punch with it, he who has a crazy resistance to pain and else.

The normal aura bullets could be deflected easily by Crom, but those with penterete damaged him seriously. As for his flames were inferior but with it penetrated though Crom’s flames.

This ability is damned Op and with it Dulio would have lose. However is not relevant this, but how issei never uses it for the plot.

Strada’s power has been always incoherent, a human who has reached the God-class only trough the training. When humans are the weakest race. He with more or less the same quantity of training of Sairaorg reached that level, while Sairaorg only high-class devil, even having touki and physical characteristic superior in base.

In his fight with Diehauser in Agares Issei losing is somewhat understandable as that time his Cardinal Crimson Promotion is still Ultimate class in terms of power(it only got increased to Satan class in volume 22 ) while Diehauser is Satan class with a terrifying control of his [Worthless] ability to the point that he can even use it in system like eating game retiring system. There's still many weaknesses in his Cardinal Crimson Promotion form at that as he only started his training with Sun Wukong in volume 17 .Issei even commented at that time that Diehauser will be still be able to stand up even if he got hit by Longinus Smasher .


How is relevant with the point? I’ve read vol20 and I wrote in that’s moment the power level of CxC was on ultimate class.
The weakness mentioned with you are completely irrelevant and never have been a problem during the various fights.

Read better, the point was that when issei faced opponent stronger than him, even with a gap not enormous, considering maou-class with ultimate-class, he can not do nothing because they are too strong. Not even give to them a punch or else or see them. I taked for exemple Belial because during that fight issei was completely defenseless

However, when issei P DxD (top 10) who defeated Vidar (top 10 with BxB) faced opponents a lot inferior respect to Him, they can even keep up for the excuse of being Gods. When they were primordial Gods, not even god of war/battle or chief gods who are far under the level of the monsters of top 10.

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-24, 05:30
In some way it's understandable that Ishi will restrict Gasper in that volume as the fight against the Exorcists was not considered a life and death battle I mean imagine if Gasper can use Darkness Power, Beast of Darkness and Time stopping ability will be paired to Issei's Longinus Smasher and it'll cause death even to Strada as Issei said if they used those abilities. But well the most reasonable fight in that volume was the fight between Arthur and Strada while the Strada versus Xenovia was a bs one.

Issei losing to Strada that time was understandable as the power of Cardinal Crimson Promotion at that time was Ultimate class and it only got increased to Satan class in volume 22 if I'm not mistaken.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-24, 05:32
i mean, issei technically cant take on strada at all at that point? he is as physically strong as sairaorg whit armor, has a replica of durandal he uses leagues better than xenovia, is much faster than he, has actual technique and does holy damage, lots of it. issei was frankly inferior in raw power which is most the time his saving quality and was completely surpassed in everything to a big degree aside of stamina. xenovia taking on him was bullshit, true, but the other two not. arthur is the only one shown to actually match him in swordsmanship and gasper frankly should've stomped him

really, gasper got the nerf harder than anyone, especially that volume. just stop the geezer time and gang on him whit a bunch of monster, or use his darkness, really gasper for all the hype he got on his first time he became pitifully weak after it. he went from DIO + lovecraftian god to a winged gorilla. guy does not even stop time anymore even

Gasper is not just nerfed, the capacity nominated by you was executed from Balor in berserk mode, not by Gasper normally. Remember Gasper still learn to use his Longinus and full power.
As for the fact that at the end of berserk mode he was completely exhausted. The time-stopping works correctly only with opponents weaker than you, so with enemies stronger than you is not so useful.

The problem is only Gasper who can not use that power yet, otherwise he would be already now a Super devil.

saucerKing
2020-08-24, 06:32
Gasper is not just nerfed, the capacity nominated by you was executed from Balor in berserk mode, not by Gasper normally. Remember Gasper still learn to use his Longinus and full power.
As for the fact that at the end of berserk mode he was completely exhausted. The time-stopping works correctly only with opponents weaker than you, so with enemies stronger than you is not so useful.

The problem is only Gasper who can not use that power yet, otherwise he would be already now a Super devil.
the "balor berserk mode" you say has no increase in power, its just gasper going apeshit angry and getting angry does not give power nor extra control unless you are a dragon. gasper control on his longinus regressed since then, after just a day of training when he first appeared he could sort of stop individual objects, after that he could stop people, now he completely forgot he can stop things at all. like i said, he straight up stopped using his powers for doing anything but transforming into a winged gorilla and punching people.

he does not need to be stronger than strada to royally screw him over whit his power, stop durandal in place, stop his holy waves in place, use his darkness to restrain him or just straight up stop vasco himself. rias could temporarily stop fenrir on balor form and i doubt she really contributed much to their fusion aside of having PoD so most the power was from gasper himself.

fact remains, gasper during the vampire thing was a beast that could cover a town on darkness and make a shit ton of eyes to stop time and even abilities from activating, sure he passed out after that but its not like he did the equivalent of JD, now he only can punch people. also gasper control over his longinus should be at least as god as is during his berserk mode, even if who fought marius was balor that changes little, he is not like issei who talks whit balor or something, gasper is balor. he has split personality but gasper and balor are the same being and he should have some access to his other self skills and experience.

the only reason he fights like he does now is the same issei cant be allowed to be smart most the time, vali never uses reduce or saji uses his power on the most stupid ways. because ishibumi realized his powers were OP and decided to reduce gasper to yet another unga bunga lest he had to write actually competent villains to level things

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-24, 08:50
the "balor berserk mode" you say has no increase in power, its just gasper going apeshit angry and getting angry does not give power nor extra control unless you are a dragon. gasper control on his longinus regressed since then, after just a day of training when he first appeared he could sort of stop individual objects, after that he could stop people, now he completely forgot he can stop things at all. like i said, he straight up stopped using his powers for doing anything but transforming into a winged gorilla and punching people.

he does not need to be stronger than strada to royally screw him over whit his power, stop durandal in place, stop his holy waves in place, use his darkness to restrain him or just straight up stop vasco himself. rias could temporarily stop fenrir on balor form and i doubt she really contributed much to their fusion aside of having PoD so most the power was from gasper himself.

fact remains, gasper during the vampire thing was a beast that could cover a town on darkness and make a shit ton of eyes to stop time and even abilities from activating, sure he passed out after that but its not like he did the equivalent of JD, now he only can punch people. also gasper control over his longinus should be at least as god as is during his berserk mode, even if who fought marius was balor that changes little, he is not like issei who talks whit balor or something, gasper is balor. he has split personality but gasper and balor are the same being and he should have some access to his other self skills and experience.

the only reason he fights like he does now is the same issei cant be allowed to be smart most the time, vali never uses reduce or saji uses his power on the most stupid ways. because ishibumi realized his powers were OP and decided to reduce gasper to yet another unga bunga lest he had to write actually competent villains to level things

But was not Gasper to use those abilities, but Balor, the evil god inside the Longinus who certainly know how to use it. The only time of which that power has been showed was merit of Balor, not Gasper. Furthermore there were consequences to Gasper.
There are not proves to say Gasper shares with Balor the knowledges.

They are the same person, but are two different personality where only one can take control of the body completely.
About Vasco I do not want to speak because I hate him as character completely for various reasons.

The time stop of Gasper Super devil can not even work on the new maous and every god class beings. It would not so useful being only ultimate-class devil with opponents stronger than him.

If you do not like this nerf, so you will hate Shin 5 and even the previous volumes

saucerKing
2020-08-24, 22:27
But was not Gasper to use those abilities, but Balor, the evil god inside the Longinus who certainly know how to use it. The only time of which that power has been showed was merit of Balor, not Gasper. Furthermore there were consequences to Gasper.
There are not proves to say Gasper shares with Balor the knowledges.

They are the same person, but are two different personality where only one can take control of the body completely.
About Vasco I do not want to speak because I hate him as character completely for various reasons.

The time stop of Gasper Super devil can not even work on the new maous and every god class beings. It would not so useful being only ultimate-class devil with opponents stronger than him.

If you do not like this nerf, so you will hate Shin 5 and even the previous volumes
gasper control of his longinus literally regressed, by the time whit the battle whit sairaorg he has a decent control of it and can time-stop specific people without screwing over teammates, current gasper cant even use time-stop. even if he has not balor help he should still be able to use his regular time-stop, or should have learned to use it even better. hell, rias used his powers better on her first time using balor princess than gasper ever did aside of his rampage whit marius. gasper should be at the very least on the level he was back when he drank issei blood on volume 4 where he could use shadows and stop time, now gasper forgets he can do anything aside of punching people

balor outright says he is gasper but also not gasper, if anything he should at least now have balor lending a hand to use his powers yet he literally always forgets how to use his powers.

its not only vasco, he failed to catch walburga, nakiri was keeping up whit him. gasper has been jobbing non-stop worse than issei since balor awakened.

again, rias when fused froze fenrir, sure it was only at 80% and he did got free pretty quickly but he is also massively above someone on maou-class. whatever rias fusion can do (aside of PoD) gasper should be able to do on nearly the same level since its likely most the power comes from him, and if rias can use his abilities so well on her first battle gasper should be able to even better.

if ishibumi keeps making everyone job like he has been doing lately? probably. shin 4 is IMO the most non-sensical volume so far. hades did not even bring samael whit him, they only used alphecca tyrant to remove issei lust instead of just straight up controlling him, the fake albion and ddraig were a massive letdown, vali jobbed against ExE, great red got the worf effect and true DxD awakening made literally 0 sense. the only good thing that came out of it was hades badass moment that even if kind of silly was badass, unlike most of the other events that were not stupid cool, they were just stupid

godz
2020-08-25, 11:30
because they are surprised, we are in dxd where the blood of lucifer (a simple maou) is competing even with the body of great red and the power of ophis.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-25, 11:53
because they are surprised, we are in dxd where the blood of lucifer (a simple maou) is competing even with the body of great red and the power of ophis.

Becuase Issei uses an irrilevant part of that power? Furthemore for this logic may say the same with Sirzechs who has a normal bloodline of two high class devils but is one of of the strongest character of DxD only with the excuse of mutation or Balberith?

godz
2020-08-25, 14:02
Becuase Issei uses an irrilevant part of that power? Furthemore for this logic may say the same with Sirzechs who has a normal bloodline of two high class devils but is one of of the strongest character of DxD only with the excuse of mutation or Balberith?

the mutation is an exception to the rule, do you really want to give logic to the exceptions to the rule? and baalberith was influenced by the energy of hades (top 10) + the investigations left by lucifer to create a superdemon + lilith...As seen in dxd, the blood of the original maou is more powerful than the blood of a cadre ... I mean without counting longinus, the potential of ingvild and vali is much higher than that of akeno (direct daughter of baraquiel and a woman of a powerful Japanese clan)

And what I was referring to, if you have not noticed every time that issei better controls his powers from great red or ophis, vali manages to equalize it thanks to the properties of lucifer's blood ... vali even discovered a faster way e effective to summon albion.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-25, 15:59
the mutation is an exception to the rule, do you really want to give logic to the exceptions to the rule? and baalberith was influenced by the energy of hades (top 10) + the investigations left by lucifer to create a superdemon + lilith...As seen in dxd, the blood of the original maou is more powerful than the blood of a cadre ... I mean without counting longinus, the potential of ingvild and vali is much higher than that of akeno (direct daughter of baraquiel and a woman of a powerful Japanese clan)

And what I was referring to, if you have not noticed every time that issei better controls his powers from great red or ophis, vali manages to equalize it thanks to the properties of lucifer's blood ... vali even discovered a faster way e effective to summon albion.

If we have to be picky on bloodline, yes even on mutation, as for the fact that Ajuka Is as powerful as him and has not received a mutation.

HadesÂ’s energy is not relevant for BalberithÂ’s power. If for you itÂ’s illogic the bloodline, what about that only with a research of Nebiros with Lilith has been possible create a super devil able to reach dragon god level?

ItÂ’s not even so strange that about Akeno, all the direct descendants of the Maous were inferior to their father, only exception with Rivezim, as for his son. All DxD goes around Devils.

When Vali equalizes issei? The only exception is vol21 with the obtainment of DxD L. Actually he has not even received a power to contrast AxA (great redÂ’s power), as for heavenly breats and Eros Engine.

AlbionÂ’s summoning has been faster only because Vali uses DxD L, while issei used P DxD. Furthermore it was all a concept about release the sealed power inside the Longinus, Vali being more intelligent and smart with demoniac power and magic may find a way, especially after have seen issei does it.

godz
2020-08-25, 16:56
If we have to be picky on bloodline, yes even on mutation, as for the fact that Ajuka Is as powerful as him and has not received a mutation.

HadesÂ’s energy is not relevant for BalberithÂ’s power. If for you itÂ’s illogic the bloodline, what about that only with a research of Nebiros with Lilith has been possible create a super devil able to reach dragon god level?

ItÂ’s not even so strange that about Akeno, all the direct descendants of the Maous were inferior to their father, only exception with Rivezim, as for his son. All DxD goes around Devils.

When Vali equalizes issei? The only exception is vol21 with the obtainment of DxD L. Actually he has not even received a power to contrast AxA (great redÂ’s power), as for heavenly breats and Eros Engine.

AlbionÂ’s summoning has been faster only because Vali uses DxD L, while issei used P DxD. Furthermore it was all a concept about release the sealed power inside the Longinus, Vali being more intelligent and smart with demoniac power and magic may find a way, especially after have seen issei does it.

Ajuka as Sirzechs are mutations, since Zeoticus refers to the two as demons that stand out from the logic and that there was no other worthy position for them than to be Maou.

Do you seriously doubt the capabilities of an investigation? A study is much more logical than something that comes out by lineage.

I used akeno because he is a mixed race like Vali or Ingvild and at the same time his mother was a relevant woman of the Himejima clan ... but you're right, everything in dxd revolves around the devil.

A child could come out of michael and a human, and even then it would not be as broken as rizevim, ingvild or vali ... the angels and fallen need a buff or else the control of the three factions will be only for the demons.

And on vali, well don't be surprised when I get a power-up form that equates AxA and ExE with lucifer's blood or something related to lucifer.

a super angel now there is nothing wrong and irina's son is a long way from being born

saucerKing
2020-08-26, 01:19
baalberith being as powerful as he is does kind of make sense. remember that the whole experiment was to make someone like him and hades had the book of lucifer and nebiros help, nebiros being a ridiculously talented genius considering he is stated to be the reason people keep bypassing kuoh barrier (a barrier in which many talented people worked on) along whit building portals to an entirely different world in less than a year and he has been working on this specific goal for hundreds of years, and even then they had to play the lilith gacha until they finally got a real success twice, out of a process to make superdevils only two of thousands were actually successful. if you see it like this, it makes complete sense baalberith exists, it was the fruit of 500+ years of research of a genius who dedicated probably good part of his life to it.

the reason IMO people like akeno have less potential is in her case because she ignored her fallen lineage for a long time (and even then she got to a 8 winged angel in a year!) and because naturally created angels might innately have less potential than devils, while i have no evidence to it i would see it logic that god who made them for a very specific purpose would somewhat limit their power or innate potential so if one rebels they are less of a potential menace. after all if he really needed some super uber angel he could create it later on. otherwise we would have someone like amaros who is implied to train physically constantly (his definition of anti-magic) be a 12 winged angel already so maybe they are caped at a certain level and impure angles and fallen just progress slower

yeah, angels too need their super angel to balance things but it could be worse, they could be grigori who got their best soldier stolen, their headquarters destroyed and are facing extinction. in this story its clear grigori got the shortest stick, hell their only relevant soldiers at this point are tobio and shigune

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-26, 04:30
yeah, angels too need their super angel to balance things but it could be worse, they could be grigori who got their best soldier stolen, their headquarters destroyed and are facing extinction. in this story its clear grigori got the shortest stick, hell their only relevant soldiers at this point are tobio and shigune

Dulio has the chance to reach that level if Zenith Tempest is not a disappointment. I mean if you compare it to Star Blaster Star buster who can easily blow some non god class easily even if it is in its base state and Nereid Kyrie who can easily weaken Issei in his Cardinal Crimson Promotion in its base and they haven't even mastered it some degree like Dulio who's already using it for a very long time . And he's even dub as the strongest exorcists and strongest Reincarnated Angel .

There's something I want to ask is the Slash Dog Team considered a part of Grigori or not?

saucerKing
2020-08-26, 04:49
Dulio has the chance to reach that level if Zenith Tempest is not a disappointment. I mean if you compare it to Star Blaster Star buster who can easily blow some non god class easily even if it is in its base state and Nereid Kyrie who can easily weaken Issei in his Cardinal Crimson Promotion in its base and they haven't even mastered it some degree like Dulio who's already using it for a very long time . And he's even dub as the strongest exorcists and strongest Reincarnated Angel .

There's something I want to ask is the Slash Dog Team considered a part of Grigori or not?
he can reach that level when he starts using the more complex and bullshitty aspects of his longinus, controlling the 4 basic elements on a country level is already OP as fuck but he can control possibly everything that is non-biological in nature up to and including metals, even fantastical ones as long as they are "found in nature". IMO the real problem dulio has is that he is too nice to use the more wacky aspects of his power

they are, the slashdog team is a team of agents of grigori.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-26, 10:08
Ajuka as Sirzechs are mutations, since Zeoticus refers to the two as demons that stand out from the logic and that there was no other worthy position for them than to be Maou.

Do you seriously doubt the capabilities of an investigation? A study is much more logical than something that comes out by lineage.

I used akeno because he is a mixed race like Vali or Ingvild and at the same time his mother was a relevant woman of the Himejima clan ... but you're right, everything in dxd revolves around the devil.

A child could come out of michael and a human, and even then it would not be as broken as rizevim, ingvild or vali ... the angels and fallen need a buff or else the control of the three factions will be only for the demons.

And on vali, well don't be surprised when I get a power-up form that equates AxA and ExE with lucifer's blood or something related to lucifer.

a super angel now there is nothing wrong and irina's son is a long way from being born

But only Sirzechs is classificated as mutation because he has a True form, while Ajuka not, as for Rivezim that even is inferior is always a super devil.

Certainly, investigation created from the nothing without gives information about it to the readers. If with a research i can create someone at the level of dragon god, so for God could be possible make Michael more powerful.

Dulio was the a candidate for it, however is strength is not enough, furthemore for how much seen Irina's son was not so powerful as Airi or Ex

To be honest, the control of the three factions is already under the devils since Sirzechs and Ajuka became Maous.

saucerKing
2020-08-27, 04:38
But only Sirzechs is classificated as mutation because he has a True form, while Ajuka not, as for Rivezim that even is inferior is always a super devil.

Certainly, investigation created from the nothing without gives information about it to the readers. If with a research i can create someone at the level of dragon god, so for God could be possible make Michael more powerful.

Dulio was the a candidate for it, however is strength is not enough, furthemore for how much seen Irina's son was not so powerful as Airi or Ex

To be honest, the control of the three factions is already under the devils since Sirzechs and Ajuka became Maous.
sirzechs has a true form because his power is of an entirely different nature than ajuka, ajuka power is calculations and manipulating phenomena trough it so what would his "true form" be? a calculator? a bunch of 1s and 0s floating around?

it was not created from "nothing", nebiros is implied to start studying superdevils on the end of dxd zero and we know for a fact koneko father who was working under him was researching that too. they had 500 years worth of research into it and it took 1000+ tries to get two superdevils, its not as far fetched as you say. and yes, god probably could've made much stronger angels but he either didnt because early installment weirdness (remember when the 4 original satans were compared to god? hah) or because he saw no need to do it since they were comparable to the satans, if something was above their paygrade they had daddy yaweh to kick their ass.

dulio simply did not live to his hype since they needed issei to somehow stand against him on their battle (frankly it should of been a stomp in dulio favor), when he first appeared he froze all of hades grim reapers that were on his temple, then he outright implies he can dance a mambo whit walburga and crom at the same time after utterly trashing the evil dragons sent to his level of heaven, then he comes off unscathed of fighting crom to finally murdering most of apophis evil dragon army in one move, him somehow ending in a tie whit issei was pure plot. dulio fought motherfucking crom and came unscathed and issei in CxC is too much?

the three factions? pal, they are practically the de facto leaders of the alliance and potentially the most powerful faction slightly below the hindu and only because of shiva, give them 3 more volumes and they will have more power than all factions put together.

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-27, 05:41
Well it's been stated through and through that Sirzechs equals in strength and they considered each other as their rival back in the day. Their power have different nature but they're sudden mutations as they've deviate from the usual devil because how Immense and abnormal their power is. I mean their power is in the "Top 10 strongest beings in the world " if that still isn't considered an abnormality/mutations then I don't know what is. Sirzechs's abnormality lies in his POD OK top of having immense strength while in Ajuka's case it's his ability to control all phenomenon using equations and formulas plus his unique Calculation Demonic as he was stated to be the only one among all devils who specializes in Creation.Somehow their similar to Vali and Issei or Draig and Albion ins way that they are mostly talk in pairs.

Itsmepatrick
2020-08-27, 05:50
dulio simply did not live to his hype since they needed issei to somehow stand against him on their battle (frankly it should of been a stomp in dulio favor), when he first appeared he froze all of hades grim reapers that were on his temple, then he outright implies he can dance a mambo whit walburga and crom at the same time after utterly trashing the evil dragons sent to his level of heaven, then he comes off unscathed of fighting crom to finally murdering most of apophis evil dragon army in one move, him somehow ending in a tie whit issei was pure plot. dulio fought motherfucking crom and came unscathed and issei in CxC is too much?

Yeah there's also the fact that Dulio in his fight against Issei somehow became like a brawler and only uses Holy Power while exchanging punches against Issei which contradict to his fighting style which utilizes the Zenith Tempest at its fullest like what he normally do when he fought Crom,Cristaldi and Walburga. Cao Cao also became like that in his fight against Sairaorg he didn't use his usual fighting style plus his Balance Breaker and Truth Idea.

B214
2020-08-28, 08:38
But only Sirzechs is classificated as mutation because he has a True form, while Ajuka not, as for Rivezim that even is inferior is always a super devil.

Certainly, investigation created from the nothing without gives information about it to the readers. If with a research i can create someone at the level of dragon god, so for God could be possible make Michael more powerful.

Dulio was the a candidate for it, however is strength is not enough, furthemore for how much seen Irina's son was not so powerful as Airi or Ex

To be honest, the control of the three factions is already under the devils since Sirzechs and Ajuka became Maous.

Why do you say Ajuka isn't a mutation? Have you seen any other Devils that has his powers/abilities. His demonic power is specialized on his interest on calculation. That can count as a mutation as well.

Giuseppe1234
2020-08-29, 16:07
sirzechs has a true form because his power is of an entirely different nature than ajuka, ajuka power is calculations and manipulating phenomena trough it so what would his "true form" be? a calculator? a bunch of 1s and 0s floating around?

it was not created from "nothing", nebiros is implied to start studying superdevils on the end of dxd zero and we know for a fact koneko father who was working under him was researching that too. they had 500 years worth of research into it and it took 1000+ tries to get two superdevils, its not as far fetched as you say. and yes, god probably could've made much stronger angels but he either didnt because early installment weirdness (remember when the 4 original satans were compared to god? hah) or because he saw no need to do it since they were comparable to the satans, if something was above their paygrade they had daddy yaweh to kick their ass.

dulio simply did not live to his hype since they needed issei to somehow stand against him on their battle (frankly it should of been a stomp in dulio favor), when he first appeared he froze all of hades grim reapers that were on his temple, then he outright implies he can dance a mambo whit walburga and crom at the same time after utterly trashing the evil dragons sent to his level of heaven, then he comes off unscathed of fighting crom to finally murdering most of apophis evil dragon army in one move, him somehow ending in a tie whit issei was pure plot. dulio fought motherfucking crom and came unscathed and issei in CxC is too much?

the three factions? pal, they are practically the de facto leaders of the alliance and potentially the most powerful faction slightly below the hindu and only because of shiva, give them 3 more volumes and they will have more power than all factions put together.

How Dulio was nerfed from the plot? The freezing of Grim reapers, never described to be executive class as for the evil dragons who could be defeated even by Ravel easily is only because has an Aoe ability. Even Lavinia could kill faster more Devils than DxD L and P DxD having aoe ability.

Exept that it has been never described Crom to fight seriously, when since vol12 we know Dulio is not top 10 or else.

The three factions are the most powerful? Should be correct say only the Devil faction, because Fallen angels and Angels are enough weak even in confront to a mythology.

Why do you say Ajuka isn't a mutation? Have you seen any other Devils that has his powers/abilities. His demonic power is specialized on his interest on calculation. That can count as a mutation as well.

So even Rivezim is a mutation being a Super devil with a special ability? As for Milicas

dnb
2020-08-30, 02:32
Beneficial Mutations

Some mutations have a positive effect on the organism in which they occur. They are called beneficial mutations. They lead to new versions of proteins that help organisms adapt to changes in their environment. Beneficial mutations are essential for evolution to occur.
Everyone with power surpassing his lineage is a mutation, for example, Diehauser is a mutation, his father and grandfather are weak compared to other High-Class devils, but he was born a Maou-Class devil.

saucerKing
2020-08-30, 04:29
How Dulio was nerfed from the plot? The freezing of Grim reapers, never described to be executive class as for the evil dragons who could be defeated even by Ravel easily is only because has an Aoe ability. Even Lavinia could kill faster more Devils than DxD L and P DxD having aoe ability.

Exept that it has been never described Crom to fight seriously, when since vol12 we know Dulio is not top 10 or else.

The three factions are the most powerful? Should be correct say only the Devil faction, because Fallen angels and Angels are enough weak even in confront to a mythology.

might i remind you that this was hades palace? to think that there was no executive-class grim reapers there is absurd when its directly where their boss reside, not to mention he was being visited by sirzechs azazel and two longinus users so he would want even more security there.

when did ravel defeat evil dragons again?

crom wanted to fight dulio due to his reputation, even when holding back a lot he was having no trouble against vali and issei, not to mention he was never mentioned to be holding back. in fact why would he? he wanted to fight the trump card of heaven, that was the whole reason he was there so holding back would be stupid

which is exactly what i said? there is no "three factions" there is only the devils and their amigos. the angel and falen side are at this point more extras than anything considering one is at the border of extinction and the other is probably still under repairs from trihexa attack.

also, am i the only one that thinks is strange the devils never got attacked by trihexa? i mean even grigori who are largely irrelevant to apophis got attacked and they are pretty much neighbors so i find it weird apophis just decided to leave before attacking the devils too

B214
2020-08-31, 01:00
So even Rivezim is a mutation being a Super devil with a special ability? As for Milicas

I believe he can fit in the mutation category. After all there's no other Devils with SG Canceler.

Itsmepatrick
2020-09-03, 06:43
It'll be great if Ishi will give Dulio,Tobio and Cao Cao some fights against some God class on the Evies side that way we will have some estimate on the full extent of their power.

Giuseppe1234
2020-09-03, 12:28
might i remind you that this was hades palace? to think that there was no executive-class grim reapers there is absurd when its directly where their boss reside, not to mention he was being visited by sirzechs azazel and two longinus users so he would want even more security there.

when did ravel defeat evil dragons again?

crom wanted to fight dulio due to his reputation, even when holding back a lot he was having no trouble against vali and issei, not to mention he was never mentioned to be holding back. in fact why would he? he wanted to fight the trump card of heaven, that was the whole reason he was there so holding back would be stupid

which is exactly what i said? there is no "three factions" there is only the devils and their amigos. the angel and falen side are at this point more extras than anything considering one is at the border of extinction and the other is probably still under repairs from trihexa attack.

also, am i the only one that thinks is strange the devils never got attacked by trihexa? i mean even grigori who are largely irrelevant to apophis got attacked and they are pretty much neighbors so i find it weird apophis just decided to leave before attacking the devils too

There were mentioned to be frozen only “Grim reapers”. The only powerful Grim reapers mentioned were high class/ultimate near Hades. When appear a powerful grim reaper of executive class is mentioned.

Pluton even if there were enemies in the Sanctuary was in another place. Furthermore have more security is not necessary when Hades is very powerful and arrogant, as for the fact Azazel said him-self, Tobio, Sirzechs and Dulio could not match him (even if I have doubt of this bull-shit).

When Trihexa assaulted the Japan’s islands, she was fighting with Koneko. Furthermore the same dragons have been fought from sitri peerage in vol17.

Even Crom wanted to fight both Vali and Issei in Romania, but he was holding back. As for in Heaven he faced immediately Issei because wanted to fight him.

Both were not injured, so no one was fighting seriously. The reason of “I want to fight him” does not mean that he would have fought seriously as seen with the other matches. Furthermore Dulio has never been mentioned to be Top 10 even before vol23.

It'll be great if Ishi will give Dulio,Tobio and Cao Cao some fights against some God class on the Evies side that way we will have some estimate on the full extent of their power.

We have already seen the full strength of Dulio, only at the highest level of maou-class.

For Cao Cao I have serious doubts about his full strength. In vol18 True Longinus could not even eliminate Ladon, with Sairaorg even focusing all the light inside the spear could not eliminate Sairaorg after some direct hits. Even if there is to say he did not use the true BxB.

For Tobio I’m very curious, he is god-class but which level? Furthermore his original blade is pretty OP and cool

saucerKing
2020-09-04, 04:49
There were mentioned to be frozen only “Grim reapers”. The only powerful Grim reapers mentioned were high class/ultimate near Hades. When appear a powerful grim reaper of executive class is mentioned.

Pluton even if there were enemies in the Sanctuary was in another place. Furthermore have more security is not necessary when Hades is very powerful and arrogant, as for the fact Azazel said him-self, Tobio, Sirzechs and Dulio could not match him (even if I have doubt of this bull-shit).

When Trihexa assaulted the Japan’s islands, she was fighting with Koneko. Furthermore the same dragons have been fought from sitri peerage in vol17.

Even Crom wanted to fight both Vali and Issei in Romania, but he was holding back. As for in Heaven he faced immediately Issei because wanted to fight him.

Both were not injured, so no one was fighting seriously. The reason of “I want to fight him” does not mean that he would have fought seriously as seen with the other matches. Furthermore Dulio has never been mentioned to be Top 10 even before vol23.



We have already seen the full strength of Dulio, only at the highest level of maou-class.

For Cao Cao I have serious doubts about his full strength. In vol18 True Longinus could not even eliminate Ladon, with Sairaorg even focusing all the light inside the spear could not eliminate Sairaorg after some direct hits. Even if there is to say he did not use the true BxB.

For Tobio I’m very curious, he is god-class but which level? Furthermore his original blade is pretty OP and cool
pal, an "executive class" is an ultimate-class grim reaper, also again its literally the temple of their head honcho, there being no executive-class there (aside of pluto who was out on a mission) is ridiculous.

yeah pluto was out but hades is still a god damn god, he is going to have security since even if he is very powerful he is still a very important being. that is like saying hades has no army because he is very powerful, and to be fair azazel assumption in context makes sense, he did not know how powerful sirzechs true form was and tobio and dulio along whit two maou class beings are not exactly competence for hades, that sirzechs ended up being so fucking strong was not in azazel plans.

but there is no mention of her defeating them then? also the sitri perage are all trained and experienced whit powerful weapons or sacred gears to booth.

on romania he was under orders so he limited himself to just stalling, on heaven by that point he already was going to quit so there was no reason at all to limit himself

so dulio came uninjured from a fight whit crom who this time was not playing on the defensive while vali and issei were unable to do jackshit to him when he was not even trying, dunno you but that is well above "maou-class", also again he had no reason to take things lightly since he wanted to fight dulio and unlike whit issei fight he was not under orders anymore.

no, we have seen that ishibumi can only write fist fights. on the fight whit trihexa we see dulio what his balance breaker does, on his fight whit issei he never uses the bubbles and goes straight into a fist fight that he outright stated was not his strong suit, on all other fights we see dulio fighting by spamming AoE attacks whit ease and fighting from long range, on issei fight he never even tried to attack anybody up until the last part where he fought the worst way possible.

dulio match whit issei was the equivalent of a guy who can call for airstrikes fighting by smashing someone head whit his walkie-talkie. he used his powers in the most inane ways (when he even used them) and fought on melee when he is a long range fighter. that whole fight was plot because ishibumi wanted issei to lose but did not want to write the stomp that match should have been since issei was not only weaker but also faced a guy who could take out his whole team whit a flick of his wrist

Itsmepatrick
2020-09-04, 08:13
dulio match whit issei was the equivalent of a guy who can call for airstrikes fighting by smashing someone head whit his walkie-talkie. he used his powers in the most inane ways (when he even used them) and fought on melee when he is a long range fighter. that whole fight was plot because ishibumi wanted issei to lose but did not want to write the stomp that match should have been since issei was not only weaker but also faced a guy who could take out his whole team whit a flick of his wrist

Yeah I completely agree with you. Dulio fought Issei using fist and his Holy Power contrary to his usual fighting style which is utilizing Zenith Tempest and performing wide range attacks. He didn't even used the Bubbles he used when he fought against the mass produced Scalemail armors .

Similar example of this is Cao Cao in his fight against Sairaorg as Cao Cao didn't use his sub species balance breaker and he didn't also use Truth Idea to defeat him .Ishi should give them a proper fight against the god class Evies so that we can gauge the full extent of their power.

Lucidrago
2020-09-07, 07:19
Well we can all agree that Ishibumi is only good at writing certain fights. He has literally rewrote Issei vs Sairaorg three times with Issei vs Dulio, Issei vs Saji, and Sairaorg vs Balberith. He seems to have a hard time writing fights where the two opponents have completely different fighting styles. I just don't like how Dulio just became a hand-to-hand and not using basically his strongest weapon, Zenith Tempest.

B214
2020-09-07, 09:02
More like he wasn't sure how to write for Ise's fight anymore. Ise = fist fights. :heh:

To me, i feel that Ishibumi is trying too much with the story at once hence why the writing feels kinda lacking at the moment.

Lucidrago
2020-09-07, 12:00
More like he wasn't sure how to write for Ise's fight anymore. Ise = fist fights. :heh:

To me, i feel that Ishibumi is trying too much with the story at once hence why the writing feels kinda lacking at the moment.

He has the ending in mind but doesn't really know how he's exactly going to get there. It seems like he has the general outline for what's going to happen but is having a hard time filling it in with more detailed plots than he has been doing.

The Azazel Cup and the UL are too much for him to write at once without him bloating a single volume. The tournament caused him to drag his feet regarding the Alliance of Hell and it just felt like he just needed an enemy and had to get them out the way at the same time.

Wellington
2020-09-07, 18:14
Issei and Vali's power levels, can someone explain to me?

saucerKing
2020-09-07, 19:37
what exactly? where they are? because if so they are heavenly dragon class (around ddraig and albion prime in raw power) which means they are a good deal above chief gods and below top gods like indra or mahabali.

godz
2020-09-07, 20:56
mahabali is not that high ... as they like to inflate baalberith's punching bag pre oppai dragon.

Itsmepatrick
2020-09-08, 02:55
Issei and Vali's power levels, can someone explain to me?

Well Issei and Vali's power differ or changes depending on what armor they're using. Issei's AxA is capable of destroying a planet while for Vali his DxD L is comparable to Albion in his prime if I'm not mistaken.

Itsmepatrick
2020-09-08, 03:00
what exactly? where they are? because if so they are heavenly dragon class (around ddraig and albion prime in raw power) which means they are a good deal above chief gods and below top gods like indra or mahabali.

How strong Mahabali truly is ?I mean in the preliminaries he got easily defeated by Balberith but in the Main Tournament he can fight on par with one of the strongest in Hindu Mythology Indra his power level is inconsistent.

Giuseppe1234
2020-09-08, 10:52
How strong Mahabali truly is ?I mean in the preliminaries he got easily defeated by Balberith but in the Main Tournament he can fight on par with one of the strongest in Hindu Mythology Indra his power level is inconsistent.

Certainly stronger than the heavenly dragons and the other Gods top 10 not Hindu, furthermore the main reason of his defeat for issei was that he could not read Balberith’s movements. Furthermore if he defeated easily Mahabali who could give a good fight to Indra, it means only he is stronger than both, not even strange when his aura scared Hades and has the potential to fight alone a Dragon god.

Well Issei and Vali's power differ or changes depending on what armor they're using. Issei's AxA is capable of destroying a planet while for Vali his DxD L is comparable to Albion in his prime if I'm not mistaken.

I’d say Vali has surpassed completely both Ddraig and Albion. Albion as Ddraig are on the same level, but during the fight of the last with Crom, his aura’s attacks could damage Crom only with Penetrate, while the normals were deflected easily or could not damage Crom. Boost was not enough to compete in raw power.

Only from this, in aura’s attack Vali is superior, furthermore he is faster. Then, Compression Divider and Satan compression divider are better versione of Divide, that in shin 4 Albion could not divide completely the various flames of Fake Ddraig or kill him as with Vali with Pluton.

With the wyverns he has more rate of fire, firing from every angle and blind spot, can use better half dimension and there is Satan Longinus Smasher.
Vali was fighting better than Ddraig, that his only victory card was penetrate with the fight hand to hand.

Even T DxD is better, being faster than Ddraig, with infinity, Longinus smasher and infinity blaster. Furthermore Issei’s boost continues continually increasing always more his power, as seen with Angra that the rumor was becoming always more stronger. Counting P DxD in aura was equal or slightly inferior to Ddraig.

saucerKing
2020-09-08, 12:28
mahabali is not that high ... as they like to inflate baalberith's punching bag pre oppai dragon.
he was strong enough to match indra for some time and sever his arm, that is well above ddraig who even when boosted was losing ground against crom who is below indra. his loss against baalberith was justified since baalberith had enough power to scare the shit out of hades and is definitely on the higher tiers of the top 10 sairaorg bullshit fight not included

dnb
2020-09-08, 12:39
Ddraig is stronger, he and Crom were holding back otherwise the whole battle field would have been destroyed, Indra and Mahabali were going all out.
Also Ddraig in vol 2 during Indra vs Mahabali:
[Partner. The guys you’re watching stand at the top even among the mythologies. They’re the embodiment of the strongest. However, we have fought against Vidar with his Midgardsormr armor and the King of Monsters Typhon, and we won against them. We’ve also conquered the Evil Dragon Apophis and the Primordial God Nyx. Have a little faith.]
[Don’t worry, I’ll be there when the time comes. Is it not enough?]
[But, well, it’s also quite troublesome if there are several of them coming, even for me.]
If there are several of that level is just "quite troublesome" ... just troublesome ...

godz
2020-09-08, 13:57
he was strong enough to match indra for some time and sever his arm, that is well above ddraig who even when boosted was losing ground against crom who is below indra. his loss against baalberith was justified since baalberith had enough power to scare the shit out of hades and is definitely on the higher tiers of the top 10 sairaorg bullshit fight not included


[Indra!]

The unobservable close-ranged bout between Sakra’s Vajra and the weapons from God Mahabali’s six arms had begun! Every time an attack was struck, Godly aura covered the whole sky. There was a moment when Sakra was struck by God Mahabali’s powerful sword! —Sakra’s left arm was severed! Ooooh! God Mahabali cut off Sakra’s arm! My comrades who were watching got excited and there were also some that jumped! I was also surprised and stood up! While Sakra already had his arm severed off, he still swung the Vajra towards God Mahabali and electrocuted his whole body! Sakra seemed — happy from the bottom of his heart.

[HAHAHA! You are giving me quite the fight!]

The commentator shouted.

<<Oohh! Mahabali-senshu! He cut off one of Sakra-senshu’s arms!>>

The spectators shown on the screen were also super excited—. God Mahabali had probably reached his limits after taking Sakra’s arm as his body staggered upon receiving Vajra’s lightning. Sakra didn’t let the chance slip. As he charged up a maximum amount of Godly aura on his Vajra, he released it at God Mahabali at once! The flash of lightning covered the entire field—. God Mahabali — suffered a great deal of damage all over his body. Smoke came out from his body. And then, he fell down as he lost consciousness. Sakra quietly flew down. The camera showed the destroyed ground as a result of their battle. God Mahabali was lying on the ground with his face down. Sakra stood beside the defeated God Mahabali and said.

[—This is checkmate, huh. At least according to the Tournament rules.]

Sakra picked up his severed arm and when he put it back where it was severed — it reverted back to normal. God Mahabali smiled wryly.

[…It’s still not enough, huh.]

it feels like a mahabali shonen moment, more than a valid feat ... i mean let's see something similar with sairaorg in his confrontation with indra and i don't think that will escalate sairaorg to the top 10 :p

ps: I'm not saying that mahabali is weak, but not as strong as you say that you put it on top of hades, crom cruach, ddraig and albion.