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CCPDarkraiRules
2019-07-29, 16:16
It’s a power that allows to kill even a God.
You are a chosen one.
You can become even a King or even a God.
Current Sekiryuutei.
While possessing such power, why don’t you try to achieve domination?

Shin High School D×D 3

Now then, let’s make Kunou’s siblings, Sekiryuutei-dono.---Leader of Kyuubi, Yasaka

M-mother! You are too shameless!---Princess of Kyuubi, Kunou

...I’ll be enjoying sweets in Kyoto.---Toujou Koneko (Shirone)

It’s a school trip to Kyoto for current second-years.

I guess it would be okay to enjoy the school trip…---Ravel Phenex

The manager was uneasy.

U-fu-fu, I’ll be working at Kuou Academy.---Roygun Belphegor

A birth of bewitching Roygun-sensei?!

It will be lonely being separated with Ise-kuuuuun!---Rossweisse

Speaking of Rossweisse in Kyoto! Getting drunk! Vomiting! Behaving violently! As
expected, this year she is…

So you will become my friend?..---Leader of Hero Faction, Cao Cao

This year in Kyoto he will experience a new friendship?..

I wonder, how much a pure-blooded vampire to visit temples and shrines in Kyoto?---Elmenhilde Karnstein

Elme is also going to Kyoto.

E-even I wanted to enjoy Kyoto with Rias-neesan, Akeno-san, Ise-kun an the rest…---Kiba Yuuto

Even Kiba wishes to enjoy Kyoto.

I’ll be going to a certain place in Kyoto, which is related to Himejima.---Himejima Akeno

Five Great Houses will be also supporting this event.---Himejima Suzaku

This year, Himejima, Five Great Houses, were collaborating with Oppai Dragon event too.

This year too, we are going to Kinkakuji!---Xenovia Quarta

Yeah, can’t wait for the Kyoto!---Shidou Irina

After all, as Miss Xenovia says, nothing starts without seeing this gilded splendor.

Soon we should decide on what we’ll be doing for the school festival as Occult Research Club.---Asia Argento

As the school festival gradually draws closer, a discussion under Asia-buchou begins.

School trip of current second-years taking place in Kyoto and the [Oppai-dragon Chichiryuutei] event-show taking place on the Kyoto’s other side----

These events that were planned to proceed peacefully will be once again---

I’ll smash you with a snap! A-ha-ha-ha-ha!---Devil form the Mother of Devils Lilith, Sonneillon

Play with me, so that I’ll transcede. Sekiryuutei!!---Devil form the Mother of Devils Lilith, Gressil

Artificial devils brought up with evil intent attack!

Oppai dragon event’s...goods...what am I supposed to do?---Devil form the Mother of Devils Lilith, Balberith

On the other hand, Bal-kun was growing up well.

There’s an order to eradicate Erebus and his faction.---Rias Gremory

The conflict between them reached the point of no return.

Kyoto is like a garden to me!---Nakiri Ouryuu

There’re many power spots in Kyoto, so he’ll show his true power.

We just have to beat all of those who attack this ancient city.---Gasper Balor

That was the spirit of Gremory’s male.

Geez, I don’t understand what those Grim Reaper-sans from the Realm of Hades think.---The Victorious Fighting Buddha (First Generation Sun Wukong)

This year First Generation Sun Wukong will get down to Kyoto too.

Infinity go! Such encouraging shout is necessary. Please, have faith.---Seekvaira Agares

Seek-chan is also active?!

Your fangs easily reach people important to me. That’s why I’ll sever them before that happens.--- Leader of Slash Dog team, Ikuse Tobio

When the dog extols Balance Breaker’s abyss, distorted blades will bloom---

Hey, how should I use...this demonic power? Is it okay to hit the enemy(?)?---Ingvild Leviathan

Her swelling talent...knows no bounds.

I will fight together with Cao Cao-sensei!---Lint Sellzen

Instead of Siegfried, she will---

I won’t allow interfering with Ise and the rest.---Dragon God of Infinity, Ophis

Won’t let, absolutely won’t!---Ophis’ other half, Lilith

Dragon God sisters finally?!

So this is my new power---

Wh-what’s this! What the hell am I supposed to do with it….!!

Ophis….!!

---Sekiryuutei of the Blazing Truth, Hyoudou Issei

This power is too mighty---

To the extent that it should never be used----

What are you saying!

If it’s you, partner, then you can use even this power.

---Sekiryuutei, Ddraig

It’s becoming so that nothing but Maou and God-class attack Hyoudo Issei and his friends.

Perfect.

This is revenge for my little sister Nyx.

Will you defeat me here, [DxD].

---Primordial God, God of Darkness Erebus

The battle with Hades, alliance of leaders of hell is reaching it’s climax---

[DxD], Longinus possessors, Sekiryuutei.
You’re too dangerous.
And so, I will destroy you here.
---?????????????

Translated by Le Fay on High School DxD Universe Discord.

Hakai
2019-07-29, 16:35
Now then, let’s make Kunou’s siblings, Sekiryuutei-dono.---Leader of Kyuubi, Yasaka


U-fu-fu, I’ll be working at Kuou Academy.---Roygun Belfegor

A birth of bewitching Roygun-sensei?!
Onee-sans are finally getting the love they deserve.

Roygun sensei? Rose you got competition.
Wh-what’s this! What the hell am I supposed to do with it….!!

Ophis….!!

---Sekiryuutei of the Blazing Truth, Hyoudou Issei

This power is too mighty---

To the extent that it should never be used----

What are you saying!

If it’s you, partner, then you can use even this power.

---Sekiryuutei, Ddraig
Seems like True DxD or something equally ridiculous.

Lucidrago
2019-07-29, 16:54
Erebus is confirmed siscon. :heh:

Wonder how all the male students at Kuoh are going to react to Roygun being a teacher there. Hope she's not doing it only so she can easily meet and sleep with teenage boys.

I wonder who Tobio is addressing.

And I wonder what Balberith's role is going to be in this volume.

The Infinite Dream
2019-07-29, 16:57
Well im hyped now lol. Glad to see Ingvild is getting some sort of combat experience.

Hakai
2019-07-29, 17:02
If both Sonneillon and Gressil are going to become Super Devils then I can understand why Ise will need a power up.
I think at least one of them will.

Erebus is probably very strong but Pseudo DxD and Ddraig should be more than enough for him.

TheWu8128
2019-07-29, 17:32
Seem like Issei is going to get a pretty hax power-up, interested in what it is

syzorst
2019-07-29, 17:39
Lol Ophis and Lilith are finally joining the fray? Also Ingvild will actually fight? Can't wait to see her in action.

Lucidrago
2019-07-29, 22:51
Another power-up dealing with breasts would be nice like we had in Volume 24.

godz
2019-07-29, 23:20
Erebus is confirmed siscon. :heh:

Wonder how all the male students at Kuoh are going to react to Roygun being a teacher there. Hope she's not doing it only so she can easily meet and sleep with teenage boys.

I wonder who Tobio is addressing.

And I wonder what Balberith's role is going to be in this volume.

erebus would be more than siscon if dxd were 100% faithful to Greek mythology .... you understand me

Ruki0089
2019-07-30, 00:41
Well, in Greek mythology incest is normal... :heh:

XFire
2019-07-30, 01:03
Aw shit, True DxD making a comeback.

Or maybe this is AxA or ExE.

Either way, this is gonna be a hell of a thing.

OmegaWeaponZ
2019-07-30, 01:16
Well, in Greek mythology incest is normal... :heh:

More like, in myths in general, incest is okay. :heh:

Especially with creation deities...

Lex79
2019-07-30, 01:19
I can't wait for Issei's new power up. And I'm curious what Ishibumi will give to Vali to compensate.

Hakai
2019-07-30, 01:33
I can't wait for Issei's new power up. And I'm curious what Ishibumi will give to Vali to compensate.

Same thing Ise gets, but in different color.
:heh:

Lucidrago
2019-07-30, 02:19
Aw shit, True DxD making a comeback.

Or maybe this is AxA or ExE.

Either way, this is gonna be a hell of a thing.

I don't think It's True DxD as it sounds like something new.

Maybe he fuses with Ophis and Lilith like he fused with Great Red that time in Volume 12.

@OmegaWeaponZ More like in a lot of cultures in general.

Ruki0089
2019-07-30, 02:26
Yeah, incest pretty much "normal" in most myth:heh:

Lucidrago
2019-07-30, 02:37
Yeah, incest pretty much "normal" in most myth:heh:

Myths are just a reflection of cultures as a whole.

We still have cultures that still accept cousins being married to each other. In Slash Dog Volume 3, at the end of the volume, Suzaku proposed that Tobio marry her so that he can return to the Himejima clan.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-07-30, 03:59
Inb4 that daydream Issei had of Yasaka in Volume 9/Hero is a reality in this volume.

B214
2019-07-30, 04:42
Wh-what’s this! What the hell am I supposed to do with it….!!

Ophis….!!

---Sekiryuutei of the Blazing Truth, Hyoudou Issei

This power is too mighty---

To the extent that it should never be used----

What are you saying!

If it’s you, partner, then you can use even this power.

---Sekiryuutei, Ddraig

Suck on the breasts in front of you and power-up.

Le Fay
2019-07-30, 04:51
Suck on the breasts in front of you and power-up.
Ishi said this power-up should be serious

Lex79
2019-07-30, 05:01
Same thing Ise gets, but in different color.
:heh:
That's very likely.

B214
2019-07-30, 05:21
Ishi said this power-up should be serious

Breasts power-ups are very serious to Ise. :heh:

TheWu8128
2019-07-30, 06:39
Yeah from the quotes it doesn't seem like its going to be breast power-up. Seem like its going to be a serious power-up like when he got DxD form.

AzazelDxD
2019-07-30, 07:57
WOW.. Roygun as TEACHER.. This is the volume biggest surprise.(We knew about Yasaka joining his harem)

OK. Confirmed that the powerup is related with Ophis and Lilith.


Wonder how all the male students at Kuoh are going to react to Roygun being a teacher there. Hope she's not doing it only so she can easily meet and sleep with teenage boys.

And I wonder what Balberith's role is going to be in this volume.

With one ExE(Eternal Erection).. Maybe she can replace Azazel as ORC advisor too.. ;)

... Decide what side join? I don´t know.. Seems that he will be really busy in this volume and maybe he will even ignore Kyoto chaos.. :heh::heh:

Well im hyped now lol. Glad to see Ingvild is getting some sort of combat experience.

Perfect.. We have here Grayfia replace in the tournament.

Inb4 that daydream Issei had of Yasaka in Volume 9/Hero is a reality in this volume.

I like receive spoilers like these.. Hero showed me Yasaka appearance and revealed even that she will join his harem.

bluestahli1
2019-07-30, 09:27
I hope for a Roygun illustration.

AzazelDxD
2019-07-30, 09:31
We all want to see her in her teacher costume..

But we will need a lot of Luck for that.. I think that is more easy see her in teacher costume in the next volume.

thefreakmike
2019-07-30, 10:50
Given that we managed to get a load of new pics from several characters last volume (Crom, Lint, Nakiri and Strada), hell we even got Ingvild on the previous one, a pic of Roygun May not be out of the realm of possibility

vietthai96
2019-07-30, 11:31
Well even someone like Nyx got a pic for herself, Roygun is not out of question, seriously i want a Verrine's illustration

I'm still not sure about Yasaka join harem, possibly Ishi want to hype us up and troll us at the same time, this could be a volume only center around Kunou development

OmegaWeaponZ
2019-07-30, 11:47
Speaking of Yasaka, as much as Hero shows how she would look in the anime, I would much prefer seeing how Miyama illustrates her.

... Lets hope we at least get an illutration of her, and not just a Kunou only cover. That would just be mean...

Lucidrago
2019-07-30, 11:48
Given that we managed to get a load of new pics from several characters last volume (Crom, Lint, Nakiri and Strada), hell we even got Ingvild on the previous one, a pic of Roygun May not be out of the realm of possibility

We probably won't get an image of Roygun until the Volume with the Issei vs Diehauser match.

But Balberith may get an illustration. And maybe we'll get an illustration of Suzaku in this volume to compare with her Slash Dog illustration.

And maybe Millarca as she's a second-year and going on the trip.

Le Fay
2019-07-30, 12:17
Speaking of Yasaka, as much as Hero shows how she would look in the anime, I would much prefer seeing how Miyama illustrates her.

... Lets hope we at least get an illutration of her, and not just a Kunou only cover. That would just be mean...
Ishi confirmed an illustration of hers

godz
2019-07-30, 13:13
What will be the role of Tobio in this volume, fight against erebus?
A little advertising to Tobio could increase sales of slash dog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0DeIqJm4vM for yasaka

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-07-31, 08:24
Speaking of Yasaka, as much as Hero shows how she would look in the anime, I would much prefer seeing how Miyama illustrates her.

... Lets hope we at least get an illutration of her, and not just a Kunou only cover. That would just be mean...

*cough*
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502863828980072449/606108096401506335/image0.jpg

Hakai
2019-07-31, 08:43
I was also hoping both Yasaka and Kunou get the cover... oh well, hope that Yasaka pic is a color illustration(and extra lewd).

OmegaWeaponZ
2019-07-31, 08:56
*cough*
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502863828980072449/606108096401506335/image0.jpg

... Hello darkness, my old friend.

That being said, Kunou looks cute in the pic.

Gaizafaiz
2019-07-31, 12:06
https://www.gamers.co.jp/resize_image.php?image=07311540_5d4137f00eb96.jpg&width=240&height=240

Limited Cover

Lucidrago
2019-07-31, 12:50
*cough*
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502863828980072449/606108096401506335/image0.jpg

My inner lolicon senses are tingling.

godz
2019-07-31, 14:28
Lately there have been only 3 or 4 illustrations in dxd without counting the cover (volume 18 had 3 illustrations counting the cover) ... so don't expect many images.

Hexer
2019-07-31, 15:33
I do like the other cover being of Lint and Elmenhilde

Crimson406
2019-07-31, 17:46
Here’s Kunou’s cover.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA1hwCkUYAAIU6f?format=jpg&name=900x900

yuiichi9
2019-07-31, 18:26
Does anyone have a higher resolution picture of the limited cover? I wonder which class roygun is going to teach?

Brawlre
2019-07-31, 19:29
The limited cover is real ishibumi sensei shared a link to it on his Twitter

AP24
2019-07-31, 23:41
First time Kunou is on a cover, if you don't count side volume limited edition

Ruki0089
2019-07-31, 23:56
Oyakodon~~

cyberdemon
2019-08-01, 00:32
When is the release date?

Sekiryuu12
2019-08-01, 00:36
Day, 20/08 =D.

Hexer
2019-08-01, 01:33
You can tell ishis favourite side girls by who gets a cover lol

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-08-07, 03:56
Preview for Shin V3 is out here are some illustrations and the chapter titles.

http://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429197863399194624/608580475711258634/3_01.jpg

http://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429197863399194624/608580475149352969/3_02.jpg

http://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429197863399194624/608582066535137290/IMG_20190807_141740.jpg

Hakai
2019-08-07, 04:19
Holy chichigami

I don't know what's happening in that illustration but I'm sooo hyped :T_T:

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-07, 04:24
Finally a picture of crom as a dragon.

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-08-07, 04:26
That is not Crom as dragon given that you can clearly see Crom is fighting said dragon.

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-07, 04:28
Its not? Thought it was him transforming into during a fight. Other guy didnt look like dragon wings to me guess im wrong. Also didnt notice the gauntlet on his left hand. Ahh AxA

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-07, 04:48
Crom out here looking like an evil vampire lord :heh:

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-08-07, 05:22
Go back and look at Ddraig in V25 illustrations you can see between the dragon's design and Ddraig's design have very big differences such as the dragon's design has 2 horns on the head and 1 on the nose while Ddraig lacks these.

Hakai
2019-08-07, 05:31
Ise is finally mastering Juggernaut Drive!

https://pm1.narvii.com/5807/f122acd6c77f9f6d1a25bbce488fe7f72eb3e474_hq.jpg

jK, jk :heh:. It's probably AxA, or maybe Ddraig wearing wyverns?

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-07, 06:32
That form of Issei's is his AxA form as Life.4 title confirms it pretty much having AxA in it

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-07, 06:54
Actually Issei's dragon form could be just dragonification as AxA seems to be revealed in Life.4 but this dragon form is in chapter 1. So I believe that dragon Issei isn't AxA.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-07, 07:09
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429197863399194624/608631865670238210/unknown.png
Baby making time with Yasaka!!
Edit:That's not Issei vs Crom but Ddraig vs Crom during Issei vs Rias Rating Game. Pretty much Shin V3 first chapter is the Ddraig vs Crom fight we wanted and it's a long chapter.

TheWu8128
2019-08-07, 07:25
So I was right, chapter one is titled Welsh Dragon & Cresent Circle Dragon. They don't call Ise Welsh Dragon.

I deleted the post about Ddraig and Crom training by accident, but this is even better getting to see that fight

XFire
2019-08-07, 07:26
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429197863399194624/608631865670238210/unknown.png
Baby making time with Yasaka!!
Edit:That's not Issei vs Crom but Ddraig vs Crom during Issei vs Rias Rating Game.

FUCK YES!

I know Ishibumi wouldn't let us down and just skip the most hype match in that fight.

Still a dick move making us wait several months for it though :heh:

TheWu8128
2019-08-07, 08:07
I'm happy he is showing that fight. That confused me not showing one of the most anticpated fight, to not show it didn't make sense or maybe it was just as planned?. Glad to see him remedy that in short order :cool:

Hakai
2019-08-07, 09:03
Whoa that Yasaka illustration, it's even better than the V23 Akeno one.

And yeah glad Ishibumi realized that was a fight he simply couldn't skip, and we're getting illustration for the epic duel. I wonder how Ddraig did compared to DxD L.

Lucidrago
2019-08-07, 09:33
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429197863399194624/608631865670238210/unknown.png
Baby making time with Yasaka!!
Edit:That's not Issei vs Crom but Ddraig vs Crom during Issei vs Rias Rating Game. Pretty much Shin V3 first chapter is the Ddraig vs Crom fight we wanted and it's a long chapter.

Are you mad posting that on here? Are you trying to kill us all through blood loss? :heh:

And glad that fight is being shown. Although there are a lot of fights I think he shouldn't have skipped over or just showed the beginning of.

But didn't Crom Cruach turn into a Dragon when fighting Ddraig in Shin Volume 2? Why is he in his human form if It's that fight? Or maybe they haven't started the fight yet and Crom Cruach hasn't tramsformed yet.

The girls look nice. Especially Lint.

So Ravel, Koneko, Gasper, Ouryuu, and Ingvild are there for the second-year trip. Wonder if Millarca and Nimura(Sona's pawn) are going to be involved as they are second-years as well.

Issei, Rias, and Kiba are going there because of the Oppai Dragon event.

Akeno's there because the Himejima clan is participating in the event.

It seems like they're going to have some ORC club activity there or something. Wonder if Bennia and Le Fay are going to be involved in the volume if Ishibumi even remembers they exist.

Kunou's going there for obvious reasons. And Ophis and Lilith are there because they're her friends. Wonder if it'll be revealed to Kunou that they are Dragon Gods in this volume. And wonder if he'll remember about her transformation.

Lint and Elmemheide are there I guess because they want to see Kyoto.

Seems like Rossweisse can't go as I'm guessing she has to stay there and teach.

Ka-el
2019-08-07, 10:06
Yasaka over Ise’s body utterly naked. If that image doesn’t convince the one who were perplexed then nothing will convince them that oyakodon is life 😎

Lucidrago
2019-08-07, 15:24
So what do you guys think is going to happen with Issei and Yasaka as seen in that colored illustration:

A. Issei and Yasaka start producing Kunou's sibling.

B. Issei gets a Kyuubi threesome with Kunou and Yasaka.

C. His entire harem barges in and punish Issei while Yasaka, the culprit, quietly sneaks away leaving Issei to his fate.

D. Ophis and Lilith interfere.

E. It's just a dream or a figment of Issei's imagination.

F. Issei gropes Yasaka's breasts and then gets to suck on them.

Ka-el
2019-08-07, 15:40
So what do you guys think is going to happen with Issei and Yasaka as seen in that colored illustration:

A. Issei and Yasaka start producing Kunou's sibling.

B. Issei gets a Kyuubi threesome with Kunou and Yasaka.

C. His entire harem barges in and punish Issei while Yasaka, the culprit, quietly sneaks away leaving Issei to his fate.

D. Ophis and Lilith interfere.

E. It's just a dream or a figment of Issei's imagination.

F. Issei gropes Yasaka's breasts and then gets to suck on them.


Rossweisse is drunk because she is sad she can't go to Kyoto, she binds Issei's arms and legs with magic and strips him and herself. However suddenly Yasaka appears, release Rossweisse's magic and makes her falling asleep, then she strips too and tries to assault Issei, but Rias and Kunou stop her getting into the room.

godz
2019-08-07, 16:04
it will be the typical ecchi moment in the bathroom that leads to nothing sexual and will be interrupted by superior forces ... guys we already have experience to no longer fall as mere rookies in the typical echi situations that lead to nothing and more in the bath, the place where most of the echi moments occur lately.

syzorst
2019-08-07, 21:57
The illustration of Crom and Ddraig is their fight in the Rias vs Issei RG. Here's spoilers from the preview.

Draig punched Crom and got him but Crom punched back. It's stated that Crom's punch did more damage to Ddraig than Ddraig's punch to Crom. Ddraig then uses his fire breath but Crom swats it away with his Dragonified arm. Both Crom and Ddraig uses their fire breath and despite Ddraig using "Boost", Crom's fire breath is still stronger. Ddraig than uses Penetrate on his flames that goes through Crom's flame. Ddraig fire off his red aura similar to Issei's dragon shots. Crom punches them away but he feels damage from it. Ddraig uses a unique technique involving Penetrate into his aura attacks that hits the core of the person even if they block. Ddraig states it's too soon for Issei to learn this technique.

Both Ddraig and Crom are worried they won't be able to finish their fight before the game ends. It's stated that in offensive power alone, Crom is one of the strongest in the tournament (Which is obvious). After Rias is retired, Crom looks at Issei and states that his existence is something of a joke. He has the power of Great Red and Ophis but still only using the power of Ophis. Ddraig replies, "Do you want to fight that "joke" again?". Crom replies yes but he also want to watch over him as he's been influence by the group

Rayzer
2019-08-07, 22:48
Oh wow, looking at this is intriguing. From how this fight is, Crom really is stronger than Ddraig. Heck, DxD L Vali might be stronger than Ddraig. Poor Issei, he's definitely the weakest out of the HD class dragons.

Hakai
2019-08-07, 22:56
This is why I never truly considered Ise Ddraig's equal. His aura might be close to Ddraig level but Ddraig still is much more skilled and experienced and will make full use of the aura available to him.

XFire
2019-08-07, 23:26
Oh wow, looking at this is intriguing. From how this fight is, Crom really is stronger than Ddraig. Heck, DxD L Vali might be stronger than Ddraig. Poor Issei, he's definitely the weakest out of the HD class dragons.

Lol, how is that what you got from that? Ddraig is actually trading blows with Crom instead of being chased around the battlefield. If anything this solidifies Vali as the weakest of the HD-class.

godz
2019-08-07, 23:33
Vali defeated Azi Dahka and Azi Dahka was at the level HD class... Vali also managed to hurt crom-cruach and his battle was unfinished due to the same situation as Shin 2. The defeat of Rias.


pd: we all know that ichie always finds the way that vali is superior to issei ... just like toriyama does so that goku surpasses vegeta.

Parry999
2019-08-07, 23:34
His hand was injured and Ddraig was using boost to he fair.

XFire
2019-08-07, 23:37
Vali defeated Azi Dahka and Azi Dahka was at the level HD class... Vali also managed to hurt crom-cruach and his battle was unfinished due to the same situation as Shin 2. The defeat of Rias.

I was just talking about Ddraig, Albion, Issei and Vali, but that's a fair point.

And Vali hurt Crom but spent the battle on the defensive trying to stay put of range (unsuccessfully at that).

Ddraig in that fight was able to use his abilities to get the upper hand, piercing Croms flames and dealing damage to his core.

At the very least it sounds more even than the blatantly uphill battle Vali was fighting.

Parry999
2019-08-07, 23:39
Sounds like Crom Cruach was honestly just screwing around for the whole series after how well he did against Ddraig.

XFire
2019-08-07, 23:47
Sounds like Crom Cruach was honestly just screwing around for the whole series after how well he did against Ddraig.

Pretty much.

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 00:02
I was just talking about Ddraig, Albion, Issei and Vali, but that's a fair point.

And Vali hurt Crom but spent the battle on the defensive trying to stay put of range (unsuccessfully at that).

Ddraig in that fight was able to use his abilities to get the upper hand, piercing Croms flames and dealing damage to his core.

At the very least it sounds more even than the blatantly uphill battle Vali was fighting.

Vali vs Crom Cruach was mostly skipped over so you have no way of proving that.

Parry999
2019-08-08, 00:15
Crom definitely far out of boys league when his serious. This wasn't even a fresh Crom fightning a boosted Ddraig lol.

Sekiryuu12
2019-08-08, 00:17
I'm here waiting for the guys that said that Crom fought seriously with Dulio.

Hakai
2019-08-08, 00:19
I'm here waiting for the guys that said that Crom fought seriously with Dulio.

:heh: :heh: :heh:

I was thinking about the same thing. Some people wanked Dulio to be Heavenly Dragon class :heh:

Parry999
2019-08-08, 00:26
:heh: :heh: :heh:

I was thinking about the same thing. Some people wanked Dulio to be Heavenly Dragon class :heh:

If he remembers how to use his Sacred Gear he might be:confused::heh: wait you mean in base?

Hakai
2019-08-08, 00:30
If he remembers how to use his Sacred Gear he might be:confused::heh: wait you mean in base?

In potential, yes most likely but during the Crom fight he definitely wasn't. Ise said he was equal to Cao Cao when he first met Dulio.

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 00:33
I'm here waiting for the guys that said that Crom fought seriously with Dulio.

Can you prove that he didn't?

Parry999
2019-08-08, 00:35
Umm he isn't dead?

godz
2019-08-08, 00:35
What will God have thought of leaving the power of monsters like Ddraig and Albion within reach of stupid humans? Would he have expected holders like Issei to exist or was he just lucky?

Parry999
2019-08-08, 00:37
"Mid tier longinus's."

godz
2019-08-08, 00:41
"Mid tier longinus's."

oh yes, where the first level longinus are of potential capable of devastating the planet, I say one of them can control even the dragon gods ... if it must not have been in life a pretty normal God, well azazel is his son and Somewhere he must have taken out his madness.

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 00:51
Umm he isn't dead?

Dulio is the strongest Brave Saint with the second most powerful Longinus. He could have easily used his abilities over weather to cancel out the advantage Crom Cruach had in power over him.

For example despite Crom being stronger than Ddraig, Penetrate obviously had an effect on Crom Cruach.

Who's to say that Dulio didn't use the weather and elemental attributes of Zenith Tempest to make up for their vast power difference. Like making it rain to weaken Crom Cruach's fire breath.

Again no one can prove whether Crom Cruach fought seriously with Dulio or not. But considering Dulio's mastery of Zenith Tempest and what he can do with it, I wouldn't be surprised if he could actually take on Crom Cruach due to compatibility.

Hakai
2019-08-08, 01:05
Yep, Rain>>Compression Divider

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 01:17
Yep, Rain>>Compression Divider

Water beats fire if you haven't realized. Just saying that Dulio's abilities could allow him to fight with Crom Cruach however long their battle was. If you have the right abilities and use them in the right way, I'm pretty sure that you could take on.someone way above your level.

Hakai
2019-08-08, 01:21
Yeah a bucket of water is all you need to beat these Dragons.

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-08, 01:26
Honestly i just think Dulio is a slightly wear version of Typhoon right now. Until we can see more of him i cant see him being on the same level as Crom.

Hakai
2019-08-08, 01:32
Typhon is a few levels better
Every time he performed an attack, the atmosphere around him shivered and caused a strange weather phenomenon inside the field as if he could control a storm. The fact that he was able to control the weather was the same as Dulio, but… Typhon was a few levels better than him.
Dulio has a lot of potential but currently he's nothing to genuine Top 10 level fighters.

Parry999
2019-08-08, 01:43
Ummm Dulio couldn't even use BxB in heaven it was forbidden. Other then his exposition of him being stronger then old man Strada before reincarnation his not HD class in base.

Djeveler
2019-08-08, 02:04
And Vali hurt Crom but spent the battle on the defensive trying to stay put of range (unsuccessfully at that).

Ddraig in that fight was able to use his abilities to get the upper hand, piercing Croms flames and dealing damage to his core.

At the very least it sounds more even than the blatantly uphill battle Vali was fighting.

On the defensive? Blatantly uphill?

Yeah, because Vali was the one who had to make so much effort to so much as move that his teeth grit until drawing blood, lol. Let alone the fact that Vali landed more attacks on Crom than viceversa, and didn't even use Satan Lucifer Smasher on him.

Vali was not superior to Crom by any means and is obviously inferior to him and Ddraig in the close-quarters department specifically, but you're portraying the thing as if Vali was barely doing anything to Crom when that's simply not the case.

Rayzer
2019-08-08, 05:24
Lol, how is that what you got from that? Ddraig is actually trading blows with Crom instead of being chased around the battlefield. If anything this solidifies Vali as the weakest of the HD-class.

I know Ddraig was able to give Crom some damage but it doesn't change the fact that Crom is the stronger one between the two. At least in terms of raw of power. How is Vali the weakest? Volume 24 already confirmed that DxD L is superior to P DxD. Couple with Ddraig being stronger than Issei and it's obvious that Issei is the weakest one. If anything I doubt Issei could beat Crom in True DxD G.

syzorst
2019-08-08, 05:26
Dulio is the strongest Brave Saint with the second most powerful Longinus. He could have easily used his abilities over weather to cancel out the advantage Crom Cruach had in power over him.

For example despite Crom being stronger than Ddraig, Penetrate obviously had an effect on Crom Cruach.

Who's to say that Dulio didn't use the weather and elemental attributes of Zenith Tempest to make up for their vast power difference. Like making it rain to weaken Crom Cruach's fire breath.

Again no one can prove whether Crom Cruach fought seriously with Dulio or not. But considering Dulio's mastery of Zenith Tempest and what he can do with it, I wouldn't be surprised if he could actually take on Crom Cruach due to compatibility.

Typhoon was stated to be superior than Dulio in terms of controlling the weather and he lost to Ddraig so I doubt Dulio would be equal to a serious Crom.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-08, 05:58
I know Ddraig was able to give Crom some damage but it doesn't change the fact that Crom is the stronger one between the two. At least in terms of raw of power. How is Vali the weakest? Volume 24 already confirmed that DxD L is superior to P DxD. Couple with Ddraig being stronger than Issei and it's obvious that Issei is the weakest one. If anything I doubt Issei could beat Crom in True DxD G.
Trude DxD G wouldn't be able to beat Crom? Haha funny joke

Rayzer
2019-08-08, 06:07
Trude DxD G wouldn't be able to beat Crom? Haha funny joke

What? Sure Issei beat Apophis but so could Crom. From the 2 battle we've seen of True DxD G, it doesn't prove he can beat Crom. If anything I would put it on par with Crom at best. Vali and Albion stated that Crom has more raw power than True DxD G and Vali has actually witnessed it since he was there when Issei beat Rizevim.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-08, 06:24
Doesn't prove he can't like you believe.

Rayzer
2019-08-08, 06:53
Doesn't prove he can't like you believe.

Sure it does. You also have to consider that Issei's stamina isn't up par with Crom.

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 07:03
Typhoon was stated to be superior than Dulio in terms of controlling the weather and he lost to Ddraig so I doubt Dulio would be equal to a serious Crom.

Superior sure. But Typhon is the sort who will go at anyone head-on like a power-type would regardless of their difference in strength. I doubt Dulio would take Crom Cruach on like Typhon would.

Not saying that Dulio is as strong as Crom Cruach but just saying his abilities most likely gave him a compatibility advantage against the Evil Dragon with no special abilities.

@Hakai Bucket of water? More like a heavy downpour of rain. And Issei did use a container of water and boosted it to weaken Tannin's fire breath during his training in Volume 5 with him.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-08, 07:06
Crom is more skilled and in control of his power. Issei has not trained True DxD G and its full potential has not been shown. So can't say Crom is equal or surpasses it. Also just want to mention Ophis in this volume's preview read said True DxD G is Issei's final form. So a solid reason you can't say Issei cannot beat Crom with his final form.

syzorst
2019-08-08, 07:21
Superior sure. But Typhon is the sort who will go at anyone head-on like a power-type would regardless of their difference in strength. I doubt Dulio would take Crom Cruach on like Typhon would.

Not saying that Dulio is as strong as Crom Cruach but just saying his abilities most likely gave him a compatibility advantage against the Evil Dragon with no special abilities.

@Hakai Bucket of water? More like a heavy downpour of rain. And Issei did use a container of water and boosted it to weaken Tannin's fire breath during his training in Volume 5 with him.

Typhoon was using the weather efficientmy as he could. Against Roygun, Bova and Elmenhilde, we saw he was using downpour rain to hinder their moments and against Ddraig we saw how he tried to cancel out Ddraig's flames with wind, although Ddraig's flames did pierce through it. Typhoon has shown he can use the weather to his advantage despite his large size.

TheWu8128
2019-08-08, 07:40
Superior sure. But Typhon is the sort who will go at anyone head-on like a power-type would regardless of their difference in strength. I doubt Dulio would take Crom Cruach on like Typhon would.

Not saying that Dulio is as strong as Crom Cruach but just saying his abilities most likely gave him a compatibility advantage against the Evil Dragon with no special abilities.

@Hakai Bucket of water? More like a heavy downpour of rain. And Issei did use a container of water and boosted it to weaken Tannin's fire breath during his training in Volume 5 with him.

How does his abilities give him a compatibility advantage? Do you mean against other Evil Dragons because Crom with just his dragon abilities I don't see him being hinder by the weather.

XFire
2019-08-08, 07:46
Yikes, go to sleep for a few hours and the thread leaves you behind. :heh:

In general reply to those who objected to my characterization of Vali's fight.....how?

Vali spends the battle trying to control the spacing between him and Crom, and failing as Crom is able to keep up constant pressure. He uses CD to try and slow Crom down -> Crom powers through it. He tries to use his speed advantage -> Crom cross counters him. And so on for pretty much the whole fight we're witness to. And at the end Vali drops to the ground wheezing from exertion while Crom is still just standing around.

Compare to what we see of the Ddraig fight, where Crom is the one defending the attacks. Ddraig techniques let his flames beat Croms, Crom actually tries to deflect Ddraigs Dragon Shot only to take damage to his core, etc.

Crom never even bothers to defend against Vali, just face tanking everything. He fails to defend against Ddraig at least twice.

It's not like Vali was helpless or anything, but he was clearly punching uphill while Ddraig was at least confronting him on an even playing field.

Hakai
2019-08-08, 08:03
How does his abilities give him a compatibility advantage? Do you mean against other Evil Dragons because Crom with just his dragon abilities I don't see him being hinder by the weather.

Just Lucidrago headcanon. Dulio was somehow able to counter Crom and come out of the fight completely uninjured instead of Crom just staying in character and holding back against the young longinus user(like he did in V16 vs Ise and Vali).

XFire
2019-08-08, 08:12
Also compatibility means shite to Crom at this point. He got shot in the face with his historical weakness and didn't seem to particularly care.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-08, 08:26
The Spectre dragon egg hatched. It's twins! And due to Ophis' influence they wrap their necks around each other and put their tails in their mouths to make the infinity symbol. They have rainbow scales.

Issei's ship Ryuuteimaru is at Grigori inside a cocoon and is becoming smaller. Ophis said she can feel her's, Issei's and Great Red's auras coming from it. Ophis also says Ryuuteimaru is a manifestation of the answer to Great Red's power. Seekvaira also mentions that Ryuuteimaru has like a cavity that can fit one person.

Ophis says DxD G is Issei's final form, but combining it with Great Red's power will make it different.

TheWu8128
2019-08-08, 08:34
I know Ddraig was able to give Crom some damage but it doesn't change the fact that Crom is the stronger one between the two. At least in terms of raw of power. How is Vali the weakest? Volume 24 already confirmed that DxD L is superior to P DxD. Couple with Ddraig being stronger than Issei and it's obvious that Issei is the weakest one. If anything I doubt Issei could beat Crom in True DxD G.

Yeah I have to agree with Elmenhilde Lover doesn't make much sense what your saying. We have seen weaker people beat stronger people in this series, so to say that is :confused: especially considering the power different wouldn't even be that great. They are all in the same class so Issei beating Crom with True DxD G isn't out of the realm. Not to mention all the other variables new power-ups the future power-ups if Issei and Crom were to fight again.

That the thing with Crom we have seen him tank way to much stuff including his weakness and it not effect him to say weather is going to stop him.

Those spoilers are very interesting so Ryuuteimaru is the answer to Great Reds power I think I may have a idea how

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-08, 08:43
AxA is possibly gonna be mecha Ryuuteimaru with Issei piloting it

XFire
2019-08-08, 08:45
The Spectre dragon egg hatched. It's twins! And due to Ophis' influence they wrap their necks around each other and put their tails in their mouths to make the infinity symbol. They have rainbow scales.

Issei's ship Ryuuteimaru is at Grigori inside a cocoon and is becoming smaller. Ophis said she can feel her's, Issei's and Great Red's auras coming from it. Ophis also says Ryuuteimaru is a manifestation of the answer to Great Red's power. Seekvaira also mentions that Ryuuteimaru has like a cavity that can fit one person.

Ophis says DxD G is Issei's final form, but combining it with Great Red's power will make it different.


Ophis stop making the babies eat each other :heh:

Also they're really going to make Issei a straight up mechanic hero, aren't they?

Rayzer
2019-08-08, 08:47
Yikes, go to sleep for a few hours and the thread leaves you behind. :heh:

In general reply to those who objected to my characterization of Vali's fight.....how?

Vali spends the battle trying to control the spacing between him and Crom, and failing as Crom is able to keep up constant pressure. He uses CD to try and slow Crom down -> Crom powers through it. He tries to use his speed advantage -> Crom cross counters him. And so on for pretty much the whole fight we're witness to. And at the end Vali drops to the ground wheezing from exertion while Crom is still just standing around.

Compare to what we see of the Ddraig fight, where Crom is the one defending the attacks. Ddraig techniques let his flames beat Croms, Crom actually tries to deflect Ddraigs Dragon Shot only to take damage to his core, etc.

Crom never even bothers to defend against Vali, just face tanking everything. He fails to defend against Ddraig at least twice.

It's not like Vali was helpless or anything, but he was clearly punching uphill while Ddraig was at least confronting him on an even playing field.

I don't see how Ddraig was doing better against Crom than Vali did. Penetrate was the only thing that seem to be actually working for Ddraig since nothing else did. In terms of physical attacks, Crom was doing more damage, Boost wasn't even enough as Crom overpower that as well. In Vali's case, he had multiple ways to damage Crom. His aura attacks was already doing some damage to the point where Crom's entire body was covered in blood. His dragon flames was nullified by Satan Compression Divider and while Crom did break through Half-Dimension, we did see that he struggled to break through as it was stated blood was dripping from his mouth. The reason why Crom was steady charging at Vali was because he had to due to Vali's speed. While at the same time, constantly enduring Vali's attacks in the process.

syzorst
2019-08-08, 08:49
Oh, I forgot one more thing.

during the fight Crom was provoking Ddraig to use his ultimate flames

TheWu8128
2019-08-08, 08:50
The author does like Kaman Rider and Gundam right? So I guess that could happen or he merges with Ryuuteimaru or equip him like Rias does Gasper. Whole lot can be done with that.

XFire
2019-08-08, 09:14
I don't see how Ddraig was doing better against Crom than Vali did. Penetrate was the only thing that seem to be actually working for Ddraig since nothing else did.

Meaning that Ddraig's abilities worked and Vali's didn't. Ergo, doing better. And again, Crom actually tried to block Ddraig's attacks. He just walked into Vali's.

Also did Ddraig do anything that wasn't using Penetrate? It sounded like he was spamming it.

In terms of physical attacks, Crom was doing more damage, Boost wasn't even enough as Crom overpower that as well.

I never said Ddraig was stronger than Crom? I said he did better than Vali did.

In Vali's case, he had multiple ways to damage Crom. His aura attacks was already doing some damage to the point where Crom's entire body was covered in blood. His dragon flames was nullified by Satan Compression Divider and while Crom did break through Half-Dimension, we did see that he struggled to break through as it was stated blood was dripping from his mouth.

All of which Crom...completely ignored. Like he never even tried to block any of the attacks. At first I thought that was just his fighting style or something, but in the Ddraig fight he defends himself at least twice. Something he apparently never felt the need to do against Vali.

And him "struggling" underplays the fact that he smashed through so fast Vali (who is explicitly faster than him) was caught off guard. I'd probably bleed too if I smashed through a plane of glass at full sprint.

The reason why Crom was steady charging at Vali was because he had to due to Vali's speed. While at the same time, constantly enduring Vali's attacks in the process.

Uh, what? You've lost me here, how does Vali being faster equate to Crom being constantly on the offensive? If anything that means Vali should have controlled the engagement, which he failed to do.

And again, the enduring thing is a point against Vali now. If Crom did that with everyone, sure, but he tried to block Ddraig's attacks. Why didn't he bother doing that to Vali's if Vali were of equal power to Ddraig?

syzorst
2019-08-08, 09:53
I don't see how Ddraig was doing better against Crom than Vali did. Penetrate was the only thing that seem to be actually working for Ddraig since nothing else did. In terms of physical attacks, Crom was doing more damage, Boost wasn't even enough as Crom overpower that as well. In Vali's case, he had multiple ways to damage Crom. His aura attacks was already doing some damage to the point where Crom's entire body was covered in blood. His dragon flames was nullified by Satan Compression Divider and while Crom did break through Half-Dimension, we did see that he struggled to break through as it was stated blood was dripping from his mouth. The reason why Crom was steady charging at Vali was because he had to due to Vali's speed. While at the same time, constantly enduring Vali's attacks in the process.

I have to agree with @Xfire on this one. Ddraig was doing better. Even when Crom tried to block Ddraig's punch with his arm, Ddraig's ability to Penetrate bypass that and the damage went straight to the core of Crom's body. Despite Crom's flames being more powerful, Ddraig was able to Penetrate through Crom's flames and made a direct hit on him. All of the attacks that Ddraig did hit the core of Crom's body through Penetrate. So while Ddraig did leave the fight with a broken arm and holes in his wings, we know that Crom definitely didn't leave the fight unscathed.

XFire
2019-08-08, 09:59
In the spirit of fairness, I guess I should admit I was wrong about my pet theory that "Crom being stronger than the HD's was only in physical strength". He's flat out superior to them, though i maintain my stance that their ultimate moves could still kill him.

Rayzer
2019-08-08, 10:00
Meaning that Ddraig's abilities worked and Vali's didn't. Ergo, doing better. And again, Crom actually tried to block Ddraig's attacks. He just walked into Vali's.

Also did Ddraig do anything that wasn't using Penetrate? It sounded like he was spamming it.



I never said Ddraig was stronger than Crom? I said he did better than Vali did.



All of which Crom...completely ignored. Like he never even tried to block any of the attacks. At first I thought that was just his fighting style or something, but in the Ddraig fight he defends himself at least twice. Something he apparently never felt the need to do against Vali.

And him "struggling" underplays the fact that he smashed through so fast Vali (who is explicitly faster than him) was caught off guard. I'd probably bleed too if I smashed through a plane of glass at full sprint.



Uh, what? You've lost me here, how does Vali being faster equate to Crom being constantly on the offensive? If anything that means Vali should have controlled the engagement, which he failed to do.

And again, the enduring thing is a point against Vali now. If Crom did that with everyone, sure, but he tried to block Ddraig's attacks. Why didn't he bother doing that to Vali's if Vali were of equal power to Ddraig?

How was Vali's abilities not working? Crom's flames was nullified and he took damaged from every attack Vali hit him with. If anything Crom took more damage from Vali than he did from Ddraig since it was stated Crom's body was covered in blood from the fight with Vali.

Crom didn't ignored Vali's attacks. He had no choice but to take them as he himself stated that he couldn't block or evade them so taking them head on was the only thing he could do if he wanted to get close.

XFire
2019-08-08, 10:05
How was Vali's abilities not working? Crom's flames was nullified and he took damaged from every attack Vali hit him with. If anything Crom took more damage from Vali than he did from Ddraig since it was stated Crom's body was covered in blood from the fight with Vali.

Crom didn't ignored Vali's attacks. He had no choice but to take them as he himself stated that he couldn't block or evade them so taking them head on was the only thing he could do if he wanted to get close.

Because they failed to even slow him down? Crom just broke through everything without stopping. Penetrate let Ddraig straight up breakthrough Crom's flames.

Crom never even tried to block Vali. The punches you could excuse (he was going for a counter), but he just sat there and face tanked the aura blast (the one Vali actually had to charge) and didn't even raise his hands.

godz
2019-08-08, 10:57
Don't worry, Ichie will find a way to make Vali stronger than Issei.

Ka-el
2019-08-08, 11:11
We already know how considering EX. The one thing Vali always refused to do despite his immense talent with that field because of his pride as hakuryukou and lucifer.

Djeveler
2019-08-08, 11:19
Vali spends the battle trying to control the spacing between him and Crom, and failing as Crom is able to keep up constant pressure. He uses CD to try and slow Crom down -> Crom powers through it. He tries to use his speed advantage -> Crom cross counters him. And so on for pretty much the whole fight we're witness to. And at the end Vali drops to the ground wheezing from exertion while Crom is still just standing around.

Crom never even bothers to defend against Vali, just face tanking everything. He fails to defend against Ddraig at least twice.

It's not like Vali was helpless or anything, but he was clearly punching uphill while Ddraig was at least confronting him on an even playing field.

Wat? You're completely misrepresenting the battle here.

First of all, Vali never used CD on Crom directly, he only used it on one of his flame breath attacks, and CD was completely successful in suppressing it, so your point about Crom "powering through" CD is not just imprecise, but straight up wrong. And Vali wheezing from exhaustion? He was mentioned to have his chest heave once, and didn't have any problem standing up or going to Crom for a handshake. He was tired but he was not nearly as exhausted as you seem to imply, lol.

Crom facetanked Vali's attacks explicitly because they are way too fast for him to see them, this is straight up mentioned so that's a completely dead point for you, as much as the CD one.

Vali was not punching uphill for going with his specialty (mentioned to be his blasts and also making use of his speed advantage) instead of fighting Crom at his particular specialty (close quarters as he was mentioned to be stronger in physical strength and defense). If Vali was fighting from an inferior position then how come several more of his attacks landed than what Crom managed?

Because they failed to even slow him down? Crom just broke through everything without stopping. Penetrate let Ddraig straight up breakthrough Crom's flames.

Crom never even tried to block Vali. The punches you could excuse (he was going for a counter), but he just sat there and face tanked the aura blast (the one Vali actually had to charge) and didn't even raise his hands.

Vali's abilities didn't "fail to even slow him down" and Crom didn't "break through everything without stopping". This is straight up not true to the fight. Crom manages to power through the Half Dimension of one wyvern, then two, but he eventually got explicitly slowed down, and after that he was having so much difficulty with merely moving that he grit his teeth in exertion until they drew blood. You really should re-read the fight as your misrepresentation of it is getting out of hand.

And once again, as mentioned before, the reason Crom wasn't blocking anything is because Vali's attacks were too fast for him to even see, lol. Several times he has blocked inferior attacks such as those from the likes of CxC, so saying he was not blocking DxD L because he didn't see fit is nonsensical (let alone the fact that an explanation was given or at least implied).

Also compatibility means shite to Crom at this point. He got shot in the face with his historical weakness and didn't seem to particularly care.

Just a side note, but historical weakness? If you mean Tathlum, that's not Crom's historical weakness, not even in DxD. Beyond mentioning that the thing he was hit by was just a replica (which he stopped, not the same as receiving the shot directly), it was only mentioned to possibly be an effective thing on him, not a "weakness". If it's a weakness of anything whatsoever it would be of Balor, not of Crom.

Hakai
2019-08-08, 11:22
It's nice to see this place so lively again

TheWu8128
2019-08-08, 11:34
It's nice to see this place so lively again

Agreed :D been dead for a minute

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 12:16
Because they failed to even slow him down? Crom just broke through everything without stopping. Penetrate let Ddraig straight up breakthrough Crom's flames.

Crom never even tried to block Vali. The punches you could excuse (he was going for a counter), but he just sat there and face tanked the aura blast (the one Vali actually had to charge) and didn't even raise his hands.

How is that any different than Crom's fight with Ddraig? Vali successfully nullified Crom's flames with Satan Compression Divider. And had his Wyverns use Half Dimension that even slowed down Crom.

He had no choice but to take Vali's attacks. While the power of his attacks is no where close to Crom Cruach, his attacks are still able to damage him and Crom Cruach stated that he couldn't block or evade Vali's aura because it was too fast for him to even see.

Crom blocked all of Ddraig's attacks. And Ddraig only overpowered his flame breath with his own when he added Penetrate to it. And he was able to add Penetrate to his shots where Crom was still taking damage even though he blocked them.

So both Vali and Ddraig overpowered or nullified his flames. And both were inflicting damage on Crom Cruach. Vali through firing shots of his aura at Crom Cruach so fast that Crom Cruach couldn't even block or evade them. And Ddraig by infusing Penetrate in his attacks otherwise Crom would just deflect his attacks or overpower them with his own.

In what way did Ddraig do better than Vali? Vali and Crom Cruach were pretty much even in that fight. They both surpass each other in certain areas, but they were overall even in their fight.

You're trying to make it look like a one-sided fight which it wasn't. You either misinterpreted the fight or you want to believe that Crom Cruach is much stronger than Vali that you're not overexaggerating certain parts of that fight and omitting others to make Crom Cruach seem more powerful than he actually is or Vali much weaker.

XFire
2019-08-08, 13:11
Wat? You're completely misrepresenting the battle here.

Oh, that'll be good....

First of all, Vali never used CD on Crom directly, he only used it on one of his flame breath attacks, and CD was completely successful in suppressing it, so your point about Crom "powering through" CD is not just imprecise, but straight up wrong. And Vali wheezing from exhaustion? He was mentioned to have his chest heave once, and didn't have any problem standing up or going to Crom for a handshake. He was tired but he was not nearly as exhausted as you seem to imply, lol.

Meant Half-dimension, so that's my bad.

But Vali was on the ground exhausted while Crom was just standing there.

Also if your chest heaves once that's called a spasm, please call a doctor for Vali. :heh:

Incidentally? CD failed to suppress the flame attack. He had to use Satan CD to nullify it if you want to get pedantic about names.

Crom facetanked Vali's attacks explicitly because they are way too fast for him to see them, this is straight up mentioned so that's a completely dead point for you, as much as the CD one.

Except for the part where the narrative explicitly says he had no intention to dodge, and then he deliberately charges face first into a giant aura blast. He never made even an attempt at blocking.

Vali was not punching uphill for going with his specialty (mentioned to be his blasts and also making use of his speed advantage) instead of fighting Crom at his particular specialty (close quarters as he was mentioned to be stronger in physical strength and defense). If Vali was fighting from an inferior position then how come several more of his attacks landed than what Crom managed?

He was punching up hill because he was constantly on the defensive and was completely unable to control the flow of battle despite being faster. Every time he launched an attack he'd get countered for significantly more damage than he was dealing out and he blatantly came out worse off at the end.

Vali's abilities didn't "fail to even slow him down" and Crom didn't "break through everything without stopping". This is straight up not true to the fight. Crom manages to power through the Half Dimension of one wyvern, then two, but he eventually got explicitly slowed down, and after that he was having so much difficulty with merely moving that he grit his teeth in exertion until they drew blood. You really should re-read the fight as your misrepresentation of it is getting out of hand.

One wyvern explicitly didn't slow him down, so Vali sent all of them, which still didnt slow him down enough for Vali to escape. Vali, who is faster than him. Yes, clearly this ability had a dramatic and noticeable effect on his speed.

Lol.

And once again, as mentioned before, the reason Crom wasn't blocking anything is because Vali's attacks were too fast for him to even see, lol. Several times he has blocked inferior attacks such as those from the likes of CxC, so saying he was not blocking DxD L because he didn't see fit is nonsensical (let alone the fact that an explanation was given or at least implied).

Except, again, the narrative states he had zero intention to dodge and just charges directly into Vali's fire. He was moving in a straight line, all he had to do was raise his arms, dude.

Just a side note, but historical weakness? If you mean Tathlum, that's not Crom's historical weakness, not even in DxD. Beyond mentioning that the thing he was hit by was just a replica (which he stopped, not the same as receiving the shot directly), it was only mentioned to possibly be an effective thing on him, not a "weakness". If it's a weakness of anything whatsoever it would be of Balor, not of Crom.

Crom literally says it would have taken out the old him.

And he stopped it by fucking biting the bullet, if that counts as stopping it so does blocking with your stomach :heh:

@Lucidrago: I see your post, but it's basically a less coherent version of Djevelers so this counts as a response to yours as well. Also I think he has grounds to sue you for plagiarism now lol

XFire
2019-08-08, 13:39
And I can already tell we're getting set up for another lovely round of circular arguing where everyone repeats themselves for five pages till one of us gets bored, so....let's not do that.

My statement and view of the fights stand, and I'm sure neither of you have changed you mind either.

Let's leave it at that for now.









We're not going to get a clear answer till Issei beats Vali in the tournament anyway. :cool:

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 13:53
And I can already tell we're getting set up for another lovely round of circular arguing where everyone repeats themselves for five pages till one of us gets bored, so....let's not do that.

My statement and view of the fights stand, and I'm sure neither of you have changed you mind either.

Let's leave it at that for now.









We're not going to get a clear answer till Issei beats Vali in the tournament anyway. :cool:

You're the one twisting facts. Vali and Crom Cruach are equal. And Vali did no better or worse than Ddraig did.

Leave it at that and abandon your headcanon.

XFire
2019-08-08, 14:14
You're the one twisting facts. Vali and Crom Cruach are equal. And Vali did no better or worse than Ddraig did.

Leave it at that and abandon your headcanon.

You quoted a post saying that I was done arguing and your first words are "you're the ones twisting facts" :heh:

I didn't say that there or in any of my other posts on this thread, so maybe pull your head out of your persecution complex.

We disagree on this topic and have stated why (well, Djeveler and I stated why, you copy-pasta'd him. Participating!) It's not going to change.

And you copying my line unironically does not do any favors for that dirth of creativity you're running through.

P.S. crazy fan theorist who writes fan fiction to pass off as prediction doesnt get to talk about "headcanon"

godz
2019-08-08, 14:29
I don't know what to discuss, if ichiei would look for a way to make vali stronger than issei ... He has done so from the beginning.

XFire
2019-08-08, 14:35
If you mean a power boost for Vali, there's always the option of some kind of trial or something. Issei got the Amirita so have Vali go do...I dunno, some form of the Twelve Labors as training.

Hakai
2019-08-08, 14:53
Vali gonna meet the original Lucifer's spirit and receive Chakra demonic power from him.

Ka-el
2019-08-08, 15:25
If you mean a power boost for Vali, there's always the option of some kind of trial or something. Issei got the Amirita so have Vali go do...I dunno, some form of the Twelve Labors as training.

Considering EX it’s clear what he has to do.

XFire
2019-08-08, 15:29
Considering EX it’s clear what he has to do.

I guess I'm not remembering EX that well, did it mention a boost for Vali?

Or do you mean "get laid"?

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-08, 16:39
Thought the only thing that was mentioned about him besides being Exs trainer was he did research on the old gods era and ate ramen...

TommyG
2019-08-08, 17:16
I wonder if the rainbow coloured twin dragons are going to have any significant bearing in the story?

cyberdemon
2019-08-08, 17:19
The Spectre dragon egg hatched. It's twins! And due to Ophis' influence they wrap their necks around each other and put their tails in their mouths to make the infinity symbol. They have rainbow scales.

Issei's ship Ryuuteimaru is at Grigori inside a cocoon and is becoming smaller. Ophis said she can feel her's, Issei's and Great Red's auras coming from it. Ophis also says Ryuuteimaru is a manifestation of the answer to Great Red's power. Seekvaira also mentions that Ryuuteimaru has like a cavity that can fit one person.

Ophis says DxD G is Issei's final form, but combining it with Great Red's power will make it different.


Female twins? Lol that is what issei needs in his harem. Female dragon twins that he perform a Hikaru Genki plan on

Ka-el
2019-08-08, 17:38
I guess I'm not remembering EX that well, did it mention a boost for Vali?

Or do you mean "get laid"?

He is the first archmage devil.

I remind you different times it was told he is a genius about magic (he read a spell book about Norse Magic one afternoon and that was enough for him to counter Loki's spells) but he always refused to use it out of his pride as hakuryukou and lucifer, preferring power over magic. Imagine if he trained seriously with magic what power could he have.

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-08, 17:43
When did it say he was an archmage devil? The only thing that i remember was stated was that he trained Ex, loves ramen, and studys the old gods era.

Just went back a looked this is the only thing i can find when they talk about Vali.

Yes, Shihan[38] Yuuto-san becomes our mentor. Vali-sensei excavated ancient relics from the Old Gods era as well as the original Yondai Maous, studying ruins and artifacts while became obsessed with ramen. The first six months when I became his apprentice, I was ordered to wash the dish every day. Fighting and making ramen are basically the same for him.”

Ka-el
2019-08-08, 18:00
When did it say he was an archmage devil? The only thing that i remember was stated was that he trained Ex, loves ramen, and studys the old gods era.

Just went back a looked this is the only thing i can find when they talk about Vali.

Yes, Shihan[38] Yuuto-san becomes our mentor. Vali-sensei excavated ancient relics from the Old Gods era as well as the original Yondai Maous, studying ruins and artifacts while became obsessed with ramen. The first six months when I became his apprentice, I was ordered to wash the dish every day. Fighting and making ramen are basically the same for him.”

I remember it was among the descriptions of what was stated in EX, but it was before the complete translation, so maybe that was a mistake.

dvdryms
2019-08-08, 18:53
If you mean a power boost for Vali, there's always the option of some kind of trial or something. Issei got the Amirita so have Vali go do...I dunno, some form of the Twelve Labors as training.

Perhaps he could subjugate and assimilate the 12 Malebranche that briefly appeared in DxD Zero for a massive power-up. Or some dormant factor inherited from Lilith could awaken within him and turn him into a Transcendental on the same level as Balberith.

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 18:53
@Xfire Sorry about that. I went too far.

Vali meets Verrine and pokes her in the butt for his next power-up and he'll become strong enough to take out Trihexa in one shot. :heh:

But since Sonneilon and Gresil are going to be in this volume, do you think they'll have special abilities like some of the 72 Pillars have since they were created by Lilith? And if so, what do you guys think the abilities will be?

Ka-el
2019-08-08, 18:54
Female twins? Lol that is what issei needs in his harem. Female dragon twins that he perform a Hikaru Genki plan on

Maybe with Tiamat as adopted mother of them so he can perform a step-oyakodon with three dragons Lol

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 19:07
Perhaps he could subjugate and assimilate the 12 Malebranche that briefly appeared in DxD Zero for a massive power-up. Or some dormant factor inherited from Lilith could awaken within him and turn him into a Transcendental on the same level as Balberith.

Didn't think anyone else would think of that. There was a post of mine where I suggested the same thing. Although Vali and the 12 Malebranche would be equivalent to Issei and the Heavenly Breasts for me.

@Ka-el Wouldn't that count as bestiality though? Dragons aren't originally humanoid beings.

Pieandchickeneater
2019-08-08, 19:22
Regarding EXE I always personally believed that it never be taken too literally and could be retconned at any time. Mainly because it came with the Born Bluerays and I thought it was a clever marketing ploy to increase sales as well as explaining the discrepancies between the anime and the LN and allowing the Author to get a reaction to his future plans for the series involving the other world.
So don’t take EXE as gospel, personally I see it more as legends of what will happen, as it was being told to us in a limited fashion through the opinions of children/teenagers. So for example: although Vali eats lots of Ramen and digs up antiquities he may also be in charge of the underworld and he just hasn’t been reigned in to the degree that Sirzechs has or has to do far less as there are 7 Satan’s now.
Lots of other details were also suppressed such as we don’t know what happens to Sona apart from the fact that she still is flat chested and that her school was a success as the children went there rather than going to school in the human world. We also don’t know if the children sent were only children and enter or not they have other siblings younger or older from the same mother.
So don’t take EXE as the inevitable outcome but as flexible idea about what will happen in the future for Issei.

XFire
2019-08-08, 20:17
Perhaps he could subjugate and assimilate the 12 Malebranche that briefly appeared in DxD Zero for a massive power-up. Or some dormant factor inherited from Lilith could awaken within him and turn him into a Transcendental on the same level as Balberith.

Never actually looked at Zero. What was their deal again?

@Xfire Sorry about that. I went too far.

Vali meets Verrine and pokes her in the butt for his next power-up and he'll become strong enough to take out Trihexa in one shot. :heh:

But since Sonneilon and Gresil are going to be in this volume, do you think they'll have special abilities like some of the 72 Pillars have since they were created by Lilith? And if so, what do you guys think the abilities will be?

Thanks. I was also getting heated at the end, so we'll call it even.

If Ishi ever does a butt based power up, it should come from out of nowhere.

An asspull, if you will :heh:

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-08, 20:27
@XFire theyre Longinous with their own will created by the original Lucifer to fight the longinous made by god. I cant see Vali getting a powerup from them as he is one of the people they want to defeat.

godz
2019-08-08, 20:46
@XFire theyre Longinous with their own will created by the original Lucifer to fight the longinous made by god. I cant see Vali getting a powerup from them as he is one of the people they want to defeat.

With ichie nothing is known ... who would have expected Baalberith to become an Issei fan, not to see him as a father figure?

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-08, 20:54
You're right about Baal but so far I cant see it happening as the leader didnt want to move until he could fight against the longinous. Baal is different he was a blank page with no brainwashing that we know of. The Melebranch on the other hand were developed to fight longinous and have the will to. But again this is my opinion.

Lucidrago
2019-08-08, 21:02
Never actually looked at Zero. What was their deal again?



Thanks. I was also getting heated at the end, so we'll call it even.

If Ishi ever does a butt based power up, it should come from out of nowhere.

An asspull, if you will :heh:

Guess he'll be the BUTT of our jokes in the future. (Crickets chirp)

I'll leave now.


But again, what are some abilities that Sonneilon and Gresil can have if they have a special ability like we've seen with a lot of devils descended from the 72 Pillars that were created by Lilith?

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-08, 21:11
For some reason im guessing one of their powers is turning into a giant for some reason.

Maybe the other deals with drought or diseases some how.

Parry999
2019-08-08, 22:13
I mean Vali would only have to become as strong as Risevim in base to be broken in DxD L. Not the new super devil level.

dvdryms
2019-08-09, 03:47
@XFire theyre Longinous with their own will created by the original Lucifer to fight the longinous made by god. I cant see Vali getting a powerup from them as he is one of the people they want to defeat.

To be more precise, they were modeled after Sacred Gears in general and designed to act as combat gear, but they were sealed away for being too powerful and uncontrollable. Perhaps Vali will force them to submit to him by defeating their leader, Malacoda, and they'll eventually follow him of their own will since he's as much of a combat junkie as they are, and they'll be able to enjoy themselves by fighting strong opponents alongside him. We'll see.

@Lucidrago A possible ability for Sonneillon could be feeding on his opponents' hatred to enhance his power. As for Gressil, perhaps the power to erode objects and living beings?

Parry999
2019-08-10, 00:04
Never actually looked at Zero. What was their deal again?



Thanks. I was also getting heated at the end, so we'll call it even.

If Ishi ever does a butt based power up, it should come from out of nowhere.

An asspull, if you will :heh:

Ingvild relative was so strong no ultimate-class devil could hurt her lol.

Lex79
2019-08-10, 01:22
To me, it's time for Issei to definitely surpass Vali at the end of this arc. The more he manages to master Ophis and Great Red's power, the less believable is for him to be the one who always has to catch up. Time to reverse the roles.
The part of me that loves giant robots would be delighted to see Ryuutemaru transforming into a giant next for Issei to pilot, but then there will be endless debates on if it can be counted as his own power...

Hakai
2019-08-10, 01:53
To me, it's time for Issei to definitely surpass Vali at the end of this arc. The more he manages to master Ophis and Great Red's power, the less believable is for him to be the one who always has to catch up. Time to reverse the roles.
The part of me that loves giant robots would be delighted to see Ryuutemaru transforming into a giant next for Issei to pilot, but then there will be endless debates on if it can be counted as his own power...

I mean, I'd say yes. Since Ryuuteimaru evolved using Ise's power/aura.

Lucidrago
2019-08-10, 09:33
To me, it's time for Issei to definitely surpass Vali at the end of this arc. The more he manages to master Ophis and Great Red's power, the less believable is for him to be the one who always has to catch up. Time to reverse the roles.
The part of me that loves giant robots would be delighted to see Ryuutemaru transforming into a giant next for Issei to pilot, but then there will be endless debates on if it can be counted as his own power...

Vali would get a power-up to match his. That's the trend we've been seeing in the series.

And plus Issei has already surpassed him in attack power and defense.

Rayzer
2019-08-10, 10:35
Vali would get a power-up to match his. That's the trend we've been seeing in the series.

And plus Issei has already surpassed him in attack power and defense.

Has he? I don't know. DxD L is stated to be stronger than P DxD.

Lex79
2019-08-10, 13:25
Vali would get a power-up to match his. That's the trend we've been seeing in the series.

And plus Issei has already surpassed him in attack power and defense.
As long as he'll stay behind Issei and struggle to get the power up, I'll be ok.

Hakai
2019-08-10, 13:53
If they fight in the final(they most likely will) it's going to be a really close match, like Ise vs Sairaorg. Can't see Ishibumi writing a fight where Ise beats his ultimate rival without much difficulty. So unless AxA is somehow restricted/unavailable Vali will be on the same level as AxA Ise, even if he's slightly weaker.

godz
2019-08-10, 15:57
ichie likes the character of Vali and every time issei got a power up ... Vali got his and which said power up has always been superior to Issei's.

syzorst
2019-08-10, 19:19
Alright everyone, earlier I posted spoilers of the Ddraig vs Crom fight but now I will post the full detailed fight.

Ddraig vs Crom Crauch fully detailed part 1.

It was a confrontation that took place in the team battle.

The Legendary “Red Dragon” – the Red Dragon Emperor Draig was in conflict with the Legendary Evil Dragon Crow Cruach.

Hyoudo Ise and Rias Gremory were moving away from the garden. Both sides spread their dragon wings and float in the air together. In contrast to the large dragon itself, the dragon Crom Cruach is still in a human state. If he was true state than he would have stood in front of a giant dragon as a giant Dragon himself.

Ddraig says, "Isn't it better to go back to your original form?"

In those words, Ddriag was struck with a fist on his huge mouth and smiled.

"I'm at my best regadless"

The Lgendary Evil Dragon replies. The two males who roomed in the air. The name of the dragon is already over. Then there is one thing to do. The two who jumped out almost at the same time collide from the front in the replica Kouh City, Ddriag and Crom Cruach hit each other on the head! BOOOOOOOOM! The shockwave traveled through the sky and reached the residential area under beneath. The glasses from the houses were destroyed.

"Here I come Evil dragon!"

"I Accept! Come, Heavenly Dragon!"

The collision that started with the fist hit to a head butt but it wouldn't kill the momentum, and it wouldn't be the first clash. The huge fist of Ddraig is speeding towards the human-sized body of Crom Cruach, but the legendary evil dragon is still going despite his size. No hesitation, no retreat, not blown away.

Crom Cruach doesn't tremble even if he receives the punch of the Heavenly Dragon, but he returns with a smile painted in his face.

When the human-sized evil dragon was retaliated, Ddraig prepared himself for Crom's onslaught.

BOOOOOM!

Both dragons punches each other in the face.

The ability of the Red Dragon Emperor-“Boost”, which is the root of its power, applies it every time a punch is launched. “Even if I bathe it, I can remember even the big dragon in the figure of Crom Cruach who returns his fist without any regret. The fist rush by two legendary dragons created a furious shock wave, adapted to multiple layers, and collapsed buildings on the ground.

“Hahahahahahahahaha!” Ddraig and Crom happily says to each other. "Wow, this fun!"

"Well, it's decided to be fun!"

Crom Cruach also feels comfortable with an honest attack from Ddraig. Blood spurted out of the holes on his face. He was reminded of how big Ddraig was before he was sealed in the sacred gears.

.At that time, the evil dragon in front of me was a strong one, but it was weaker than me, but while I was sealed, this Crom Cruach ran into the human world and observed it, made unique changes, evolutions and enhancements. The result was the power he posses today.

Ddraig grabs Crom Cruach with his big hand however Crow Crom is eager and strong and smacked his hand away Ddraig clicked his tongue like a joke. The legendary instinct here is that if you have the ability to surpass yourself, Ddraig will try to push ahead again, Crom Cruach goes in to punch Ddraig in the head and then follows up with a kick.

The kick of the evil dragon pierces deeply into the abdomen of the red dragon. Ddraig, is in the midst in the air, body was bend in the shape of a circle and was blown in a forest below.

He sees Crom in the air near a road in town and retaliates with a punch. Crom crosses his arm to guard from Ddraig's punch but felt damage to the core of his body despite blocking Ddraig's punch.

"Guahah!!" In a single blow, Crom Cruach exhaled blood of agony from his mouth. At the moment of impact, Ddraig used his technique ["Penetrate"] to pierce Crom's guard.

syzorst
2019-08-10, 19:21
Ddraig vs Crom Crauch fully detailed part 2

Damaged the core of the body. Most opponents would be killed or defeated by the first hit. However, if the opponent is a supernatural enemy, he will be damaged by the first shot and then just be warned. The best time-when your opponent is attacking, do it twice.

Crom Crauch did not forget ["Transfer”] but rather, this was true enough to feel a response. That is why, on the contrary, ["Transfer"] comes in. In the battle, the response will weaken your vigilance. [“Transfer”] is effective because it is released from the outside of the opponent's consciousness. That was something I learned in a battle that couldn't be overridden.

In succession, Ddraig swells his abdomen and ignites the flames in the body and then exhale the flames from his mouth straight at Crom Cruach but this is not an evil dragon that allows two attacks in a row. Crom Cruach was ready of [Transfer and Penetrate]” damage! He rebuilt himself and transformed his arm into a large Dragon arm, and put on a huge aura into it and knocked Ddraig's flames .

This time, Crom Cruach inhaled and the abdomen was inflated, and it is in a position to exhale the flame. When Ddraig sees this he prepares to use his own flames. The Legendary Red dragon and the legendary evil dragon Crom Cruach exhaled and coverer the whole area with flames.

The flame momentum is a square line, and the flames of Crom Cruach is more dominant in the exchange, pushing back the Ddraig's flames.

-Physical ability, aura, and the style of fighting only by itself It is competing with me called the Heavenly Dragon. What's more the intensity is higher as I am already using ["Boost"].

The sacred gear owners Hyoudo Ise and Vali Lucifer and Crom Cruach have confronted each other in the past and have remembered the battle the Heavenly many times. That's why he's gotten stronger. Even so, Ddraig uses ["Penetrate"] which added more power and pierce through the flames of the evil Dragon. Crom seeing this immediately stops his flames and avoids it.

The avoided flames from Ddraig poured into the buildings on the ground, raising the damage of the surrounding area. The buildings melted with from the heat of the heavenly dragon flames, and even the ground struck greatly. The surrounding ground suddenly vanished in an instant. Crom Cruach, who flew in the air at a high speed and continued to avoid Ddraig's flames not only escaped, but when he saw the line, he formed a small orb of aura in his hand and threw it at Ddraig. Though the size was small but it was compressed. Ddraig avoids it and the aura crashes into the ground resulting in a large explosion. The explosion formed a large crater.

The impact from the attacks from these legendary dragons were beyond belief. If this kept going the field would not last long.

They would keep going until one would fall first, the game field would be destroyed or the fight between Hyoudo Ise and Rias Gremory would come to an end.

Ddraig, who understood that the field was not going to last stopped for a moment and flew straight toward Crom Cruach and hit him while at the same time adding the power of Transfer. Crom was blown away. The Crescent Circle Dragon that was blown away crashed onto the ground that was a wasteland at this point.

syzorst
2019-08-10, 19:23
Ddraig vs Crom Cruach fully detailed finale

Crom Cruach gets up as if jumping up and flies straight towards Ddraig. Crom opens his mouth and takes a huge bit of Ddraig's arm. Ddraig takes the form of a guard, but Ddraig feels the dull and unpleasant sound. Ddraig's arm is broken, but there is no time to deal with the pain and grabs Crom and throws him. Ddraig shoots a red aura from his hand. His partner, Hyoudo Ise, uses similar attack [Dragon Shot], but Ddraig uses his barrage of aura attack normally from his lifetime. Crom Cruach deflects it with his right arm, and the aura flown all over the place, destroying everything in it's surroundings.

Regardless, Ddraig continues to release barrage of aura attacks over and over again. Crom uses his right arm to deflect them but has to be careful as his left arm was damage in the previous fight.

Some of Ddraig's aura attacks also was infused with ["Tranfer"] and ["Penetrate"] so Crom had to avoid them. However due to Crom's experience, he was able to observe which of blast would be the ones that was most dangerous.

Ddraig is surprised by Crom's movement. He remembered now.

"To think you were avoiding my attack that was infused with "Penetrate" by using your intuition".

I asked Crom this. This answer that the body would moved without permission from the brain and on instinct. However it was not an easy thing to learn. This is why even the rare genius Vali Lucifer can't do this evil dragon, so while fighting, he will grow the qualities he was born with.

The dragon shouted happily, even though he was full of blood.

"I'm warming up, Ddraig! Use your ultimate flames!"

It's the forbidden flames of Ddraig that burns everything. Once the flames touches the body, it continues to burn until the subject is burnt into nothingness.

The Heavenly Dragon says with a smile.

"If you were a hateful idiot than I would use it but there's no need to use it on someone who's honest upfront"

Crom Cruach responds, "hah! I'm not hateful, those words, should I take it as a compliment?"

Ddraig responds, "Ah, you're just a big idiot."

Crom Cruach was innocently laughing like a child, "hahahaha, I can't deny that". He usually don't show emotion but right now he was like a happy child in such a close battle.

While showing such a side, the evil dragon rushes all at once, builds up his battle aura and hits Ddraig in the face.

Ddraig swings down and punches Crom in the head. The evil dragon hits on the ground and crawls back up as he spits blood from his mouth but his face was filled with joy.

Crom Crauch takes off his black coat and says.

"It's also powerful that you can pretend not to break the field."

If you recognize that you don't think about the surroundings, you can also fight more flashy. That's why if you fight in the human world, you can fight as much as a city. If you release a maximal aura from your hand, you can make the blast in an ultra-wide area in an instant. But it doesn't mean you can't fight to break. The body is practicing it. While wiping the blood from his mouth,

"Well, all you have to do is to enjoy it without breaking it."

Ddraig spits out flames, Crom Cruach pushes through the flames and hits Ddraig in the face.

The Red Dragon falls to the ground but gets back up. Both Crom and Ddraig launches a punch at each other but suddenly.

>>>>>>Team Rias Gremory "Bishop and King" retires>>>>

The announcement was made throughout the entire field. Both Crom and Ddraig stops their punches and are gently pulled back. It is the news that informs the victory of his partner Hyoudo Ise.

"We lose," Crom Cruach says as he exhales a lot. Whether the team wins or loses, the battle with Heavenly Dragon has to be stopped midway. Participation in this tournament will be over, depending on whether the “king” is right or not. Nonetheless, Ddraig and Crom Crauch also has a taken a lot of damage. Both have cracked or broken bones throughout their bodies. I struggled. For Ddraig, his breathing is really rising for the first time. Although he had injuries all over his body, his heart felt good. The ability of Crom Cruach is real. It can be said that he is the apex in raw power in the tournament.

bluestahli1
2019-08-10, 23:12
Crom is starting to grow on me.

XFire
2019-08-10, 23:14
I'll punch you across the field

Fine then I'll punch you across the field

Fine then I'll [continues infinitely]

Crazy dragons :heh:

Hakai
2019-08-11, 00:08
Fight was actually really close, even without Ddraig using Blazing Inferno.
Penetrate is OP, at least when Ddraig's using it.
Crom is the real badass though, got this far just with basic Dragon abilities.

One of the best fights in DxD, easily. I'm just happy for those two, they really enjoyed this fight :)

XFire
2019-08-11, 00:10
I'm remembering this one video game where everyone had a supermode with really powerful abilities they couldn't normally use, and then there was one guy whose power was....tripling his physical stats :heh:

That's basically Crom

bluestahli1
2019-08-11, 00:23
If you think about it, Crom is basically an overcharged Sairorge.

It's like Lion boi himself found a box full of energy bars, blended it, smashed it into dust, inhaled it and injected the rest into his arm.

Hakai
2019-08-11, 00:30
Also "I'm warming up, Ddraig! Use your ultimate flames!"

It's the forbidden flames of Ddraig that burns everything. Once the flames touches the body, it continues to burn until the subject is burnt into nothingness.

The Heavenly Dragon says with a smile.

"If you were a hateful idiot than I would use it but there's no need to use it on someone who's honest upfront"

Crom Cruach responds, "hah! I'm not hateful, those words, should I take it as a compliment?"

Ddraig responds, "Ah, you're just a big idiot."

Crom Cruach was innocently laughing like a child, "hahahaha, I can't deny that". He usually don't show emotion but right now he was like a happy child in such a close
This is just frikkin adorable

Albion would be jealous if he saw this :heh:

Lex79
2019-08-11, 00:46
Crom is an even more extreme version of Sairaorg. I wonder if he's gonna remain undefeated or Ishibumi will have him lose against or one of the super devils. Now we need to see Albion in action...maybe in the match against the Sun Wukong team.
I wonder if Ddraig in this form can train or if he gain power from Issei's growth. It would be a shame if with all these powerful beings appearing he can't improve himself.

Lucidrago
2019-08-11, 01:56
Crom is an even more extreme version of Sairaorg. I wonder if he's gonna remain undefeated or Ishibumi will have him lose against or one of the super devils. Now we need to see Albion in action...maybe in the match against the Sun Wukong team.
I wonder if Ddraig in this form can train or if he gain power from Issei's growth. It would be a shame if with all these powerful beings appearing he can't improve himself.

Have the strongest Evil Dragon lose? I highly doubt he would let that happen as that would just make Vali and Ddraig look bad and take away Crom Cruach's badassery.

Basically I just see Crom Cruach as the Fuhrer Bradley of DxD.

syzorst
2019-08-11, 04:09
Have the strongest Evil Dragon lose? I highly doubt he would let that happen as that would just make Vali and Ddraig look bad and take away Crom Cruach's badassery.

Basically I just see Crom Cruach as the Fuhrer Bradley of DxD.

So do you still think Vali did just as good as Ddraig against Crom?

Lex79
2019-08-11, 04:20
Have the strongest Evil Dragon lose? I highly doubt he would let that happen as that would just make Vali and Ddraig look bad and take away Crom Cruach's badassery.

Basically I just see Crom Cruach as the Fuhrer Bradley of DxD.Well, Issei is bound to surpass heavenly dragon class sooner or later. Having him defeat Crom would be a good proof of that, and losing to the main character wouldn't take anything from Crom.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-11, 05:15
Crack theory: Crom and Lint will end up a couple simply because they both have black and white in their designs and also because both are the most smug when in a fight

bluestahli1
2019-08-11, 07:05
B-but... Crom is.. black.... and...gold...










Kappa

XFire
2019-08-11, 07:22
Have the strongest Evil Dragon lose? I highly doubt he would let that happen as that would just make Vali and Ddraig look bad and take away Crom Cruach's badassery.

Basically I just see Crom Cruach as the Fuhrer Bradley of DxD.

There's still Baalberith who is supposed to be Dragon God level, so logically Crom is still way below him.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-11, 09:13
Bored so I came up with daughter names for a few harem girls based on the their nicknames/aliases; not all where included as they don't have nicknames or aliases that can be used to make a name. The last two are a joke lol.

Ria Gremory - Based on Rias' nickname 'Ria'.
Lucia Quarta - Based on Xenovia's alias 'Lucia Durandal'.
Elmen Hyoudou - Based on Elmenhilde's nickname 'Elmen' (would be her second daughter).
Rose Hyoudou - Based on Rossweisse's nickname 'Rose'.
Phis Hyoudou - Based on Ophis' nickname 'Phis'.
Lith Hyoudou - Based on Lilith's nickname 'Lith'.

CCPDarkraiRules
2019-08-11, 09:37
Bored so I came up with daughter names for a few harem girls based on the their nicknames/aliases; not all where included as they don't have nicknames or aliases that can be used to make a name. The last two are a joke lol.

Ria Gremory - Based on Rias' nickname 'Ria'.
Lucia Quarta - Based on Xenovia's alias 'Lucia Durandal'.
Elmen Hyoudou - Based on Elmenhilde's nickname 'Elmen' (would be her second daughter).
Rose Hyoudou - Based on Rossweisse's nickname 'Rose'.
Phis Hyoudou - Based on Ophis' nickname 'Phis'.
Lith Hyoudou - Based on Lilith's nickname 'Lith'.

Elmenhilde didn't take on Hyoudou as her family name because her daughter has Karnstein as her family name.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-11, 09:39
Oh I thought I remembered her taking on the Hyoudou name.
But this is my version so it counts

bluestahli1
2019-08-11, 09:42
When do the Illustrations come out?

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-11, 09:44
You mean when do the rest of the illustrations come out and the answer is always when the volume comes out

Lucidrago
2019-08-11, 12:35
Bored so I came up with daughter names for a few harem girls based on the their nicknames/aliases; not all where included as they don't have nicknames or aliases that can be used to make a name. The last two are a joke lol.

Ria Gremory - Based on Rias' nickname 'Ria'.
Lucia Quarta - Based on Xenovia's alias 'Lucia Durandal'.
Elmen Hyoudou - Based on Elmenhilde's nickname 'Elmen' (would be her second daughter).
Rose Hyoudou - Based on Rossweisse's nickname 'Rose'.
Phis Hyoudou - Based on Ophis' nickname 'Phis'.
Lith Hyoudou - Based on Lilith's nickname 'Lith'.

It seems their names need to be more unique rather than just giving them shortened versions of their mother's names.

Lucia Quadra is the only good one. I'll give you that.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-12, 09:33
They weren't meant to be unique. I explained that I made names from nicknames.

Lucidrago
2019-08-12, 14:08
They weren't meant to be unique. I explained that I made names from nicknames.

You said 'based on', not that they would actually be their mother's actual nicknames.

When was Xenovia known as 'Lucia Durandal'?

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-13, 04:25
It is still based on. Anyway she used Lucia Durandal as a wrestling alias in a short story.

Rayzer
2019-08-13, 06:06
Now that Grayfia's leaving, I feel Issei's team will get nerfed. There are no Maou class fighters and Issei being the only God class fighter. Ingvild has potential but right now she has too many weaknesses.

TheWu8128
2019-08-13, 06:40
Ingvild is definitely joining, the quotes from the new volume makes that pretty clear. What are her "many" weaknesses besides battle experience that's only one and they have Issei and Ddraig so 2 transdencent powers. I don't see his team getting nerfed at all probably gotten stronger. Seeing as Grayfia wasn't at her best mentally

Rayzer
2019-08-13, 06:45
Ingvild is definitely joining, the quotes from the new volume makes that pretty clear. What are her "many" weaknesses besides battle experience that's only one and they have Issei and Ddraig so 2 transdencent powers. I don't see his team getting nerfed at all probably gotten stronger. Seeing as Grayfia wasn't at her best mentally

Besides lack of combat experience, Ingvild has that sleeping disease where she falls asleep all of a sudden. That's a glaring weaknesses and has no proper control of her power yet.

TheWu8128
2019-08-13, 06:58
Which they are going to see Sleep gods to fix, which pretty sure is going to get fixed before his next tournament match, or the sleep thing isn't even going to matter, so no not a glaring weakness and she seems to control her power over Longinus fine from what little we seen outside of the spell cast on her to control her. So I count 1 "weakness" got anymore besides things that devils are generally weak to.

Lucidrago
2019-08-13, 08:17
So what do you guys think AxA is going to stand for when it's revealed this volume? My guess is Apocalyptic Ascension.

bluestahli1
2019-08-13, 08:22
Anus x Anus

TommyG
2019-08-13, 09:12
Alternative x Ascension

Sekiryuu12
2019-08-13, 16:03
Anal x Annihilation, Issei is going to fuck every enemy there.

OmegaWeaponZ
2019-08-14, 01:15
Anal x Annihilation, Issei is going to fuck every enemy there.

Sounds like something suited for Vali. Just to mess with Albion :p

My guess would be something simple : Armageddon Armor.

Or a more chuuni one : Absolute Almighty

DragoMuseveni
2019-08-14, 13:39
I wonder when we will see Albion in his true form just like Draig . Imagine the finally of Azazel tournament where you will see the true heavenly dragon fight .

Lucidrago
2019-08-14, 16:47
I wonder when we will see Albion in his true form just like Draig . Imagine the finally of Azazel tournament where you will see the true heavenly dragon fight .

Never. I doubt something like that will ever happen unless you want Vali to be a clone of Issei.

dvdryms
2019-08-14, 17:26
Never. I doubt something like that will ever happen unless you want Vali to be a clone of Issei.

Kind of late for that considering how Issei acquired the Divide and Reflect ability from Albion, while Vali created funnels similar to Issei's Dividing Wyvern Fairy technique in his DxD mode. They've both being copying each other in certain aspects so far. As such, it's not farfetched to assume Vali will be able to materialize Albion as well at some point.

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-14, 18:25
Ive always assumed ichiei made Ddraig manifest just because Vali already has a top ten on his team and he plans to unseal Fenrirs strength by the end of the tournament.

Also for AxA maybe Apocalyptic Annihilation. Just because it deals with great red. Could be totally off though.

Lex79
2019-08-14, 23:47
I wonder when we will see Albion in his true form just like Draig . Imagine the finally of Azazel tournament where you will see the true heavenly dragon fight .
Maybe in the fight against Sun Wukong. I just hope that the unlocking process for Vali is going to be as painful as it was for Issei.

bluestahli1
2019-08-15, 06:39
Alright, I just gotta ask but, which Volume was that where it was said that Vali used to send assassins to Miss big tiddy witch onee-san?

OmegaWeaponZ
2019-08-15, 06:54
Alright, I just gotta ask but, which Volume was that where it was said that Vali used to send assassins to Miss big tiddy witch onee-san?

DX5, if I'm not mistaken. The one where she has his chuuni black history diary.

bluestahli1
2019-08-15, 06:58
Oh, it was actually from there? thought I missed one of the short stories.

Elmenhilde Lover
2019-08-15, 10:29
That Yasaka lewd is only available if you buy V3 from Melonbooks so it's a limited edition illustration.
Genius marketing to entice more Yasaka fans! "Hey bucko's! You want to see a fox milf bare it all!? Well buy it from Melonbooks and you can, you degenerates!!"

godz
2019-08-15, 13:29
Businessman

Rayzer
2019-08-15, 17:59
I'm curious how Issei's team would deal with Diehuaser team. People don't realize that Issei's team (while strong) has many weaknesses. In fact, I would say out of all the teams in the top 16, his team has if not the most weaknesses.

Lucidrago
2019-08-15, 18:16
I'm curious how Issei's team would deal with Diehuaser team. People don't realize that Issei's team (while strong) has many weaknesses. In fact, I would say out of all the teams in the top 16, his team has if not the most weaknesses.

What weaknesses are those exactly? Their power levels are fine. Their teamwork is fine as well. Their

How does Issei team have the most weaknesses of the 16 teams that made it to the main stage? How did they have more weaknesses than Shooting Star's team? How did they have more weaknesses than the Black Satan of Dragon Darkness King team which had 4 really powerful devils with the mentality of children?

What are Their weaknesses as you call them?

Rayzer
2019-08-15, 18:37
What weaknesses are those exactly? Their power levels are fine. Their teamwork is fine as well. Their

How does Issei team have the most weaknesses of the 16 teams that made it to the main stage? How did they have more weaknesses than Shooting Star's team? How did they have more weaknesses than the Black Satan of Dragon Darkness King team which had 4 really powerful devils with the mentality of children?

What are Their weaknesses as you call them?

1.) Too many support types

2.) An inexperienced King

3.) A fragile tactician

4.) Without Issei, his team in general aren't that strong.

5.) Reliance on Ravel is too much.

6.) Issei himself is a weakness due to how easily he can be outsmarted and lured into traps.

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-15, 18:54
We've seen like what 8 out of the 16 teams. Wouldnt even say he has the most weaknesses right now since we havent even seen them all. The only big weakness they have is experience in rating games. You also never answered his questions on how he had more weaknesses then shooting star, or even Sairaorgs team, Cao cao also only has one other powerful player on his team besides him.

Rayzer
2019-08-15, 18:58
We've seen like what 8 out of the 16 teams. Wouldnt even say he has the most weaknesses right now since we havent even seen them all. The only big weakness they have is experience in rating games.

Vali's team have less experience than Issei's team in rating games and yet they perform better. The experience in rating games is irrelevant to the list of weaknesses they have. Sairaorg's team is a more experienced king and has a balanced team. Cao Cao is a better leader, better tactician and a well balanced team. Issei's team have more weaknesses despite being stronger.

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-15, 18:59
Irrelevant lol no not really having experience in it and being able to exploit rules better than someone who has no experience is always an advantage. But again weve only seen like half the list so to say he has the most or almost weaknesses is kinda stupid.

Rayzer
2019-08-15, 19:01
Irrelevant lol no not really having experience in it and being able to exploit rules better than someone who has no experience is always an advantage. But again weve only seen like half the list so to say he has the most weaknesses is kinda stupid.

And yet, Vali's team performed better despite having less experience in rating games than Issei's team? You know why? Because Issei's team consist of a newly built team with an inexperienced leader/king.

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-15, 19:03
Again less experience like I said. Issei has 4 games of experience more than vali. That makes him a pro lol. Valis lead his team since before rating games so of course they have better synergy.

Rayzer
2019-08-15, 19:10
Again less experience like I said. Issei has 4 games of experience more than vali. That makes him a pro. Lol

You're the one that brought up experience. Issei's team just has too many serious issues. Without Issei, the team isn't that much of a huge deal but at the same time, Issei tends to get outsmarted and lured into traps. Ravel is a smart tactician but even she has her shortcomings and without her the team would crumble without their strategist due to how they rely on her too much. I can already forsee Diehuaser taking her out since he now knows how to use (Worthlessness) on Immortality trait of Ravel's family.

Vali's team have less experience in rating games but his team have less weaknesses than Issei's team.

The Infinite Dream
2019-08-15, 19:28
What im pointing out is they all have serious issues but for some reason you think Issei has the most when we've only seen half of the line up.

Sairaorg is the only relatively strong character on his team and will have trouble with any strong team they go up against.
Vali while he and Fenrir are strong they lack tactics and his team goes off on their own.
Cao Cao besides him and the god on his team they lack fire power. Even a longinous was useless to Sairaorgs queen
Shooting star team is a glass canon. Theyre relatively strong but seem to lack the endurance.
Rias her team was pretty balanced but she seemed to be lacking tactics and she herself is a weakness unless shes in balor form and that doesnt last long.

Thats off the top of my head im sure if i go back and reread i could come back with more for every team we've seen so far.

Rating game experience does play a role where else is he going to gain experience in leading his team that was just formed. Besides the little battles they have now and then the only way he'll gain leadership experience is there. The more experience he gains there the more he'll be able to mold his team around the rules of the game.

You're trying to make it seem like 4 games of being in a rating game not leading the team some how makes Issei so much more experienced then him.

Rayzer
2019-08-15, 19:41
What im pointing out is they all have serious issues but for some reason you think Issei has the most when we've only seen half of the line up.

Sairaorg is the only relatively strong character on his team and will have trouble with any strong team they go up against.
Vali while he and Fenrir are strong they lack tactics and his team goes off on their own.
Cao Cao besides him and the god on his team they lack fire power. Even a longinous was useless to Sairaorgs queen
Shooting star team is a glass canon. Theyre relatively strong but seem to lack the endurance.
Rias her team was pretty balanced but she seemed to be lacking tactics and she herself is a weakness unless shes in balor form and that doesnt last long.

Thats off the top of my head im sure if i go back and reread i could come back with more for every team we've seen so far.

Rating game experience does play a role where else is he going to gain experience in leading his team that was just formed. Besides the little battles they have now and then the only way he'll gain leadership experience is there.

You're trying to make it seem like 4 games of being in a rating game not leading the team some how makes Issei so much more experienced at him.

Sairaorg is not the only relatively strong character. Kuisha is also really strong. Also Sairaorg has more experience as a king than Issei.

Unlike Issei's team, Vali's has a competent and capable leader and his team is well balanced. They make up their lack of complex strategies with precise teamwork. You don't see them nearly lose a game by a simple ambush tactic like Issei's team fell for.

Cao Cao's team is nearly a perfect team. A competent and capable leader who's also one of the best tacticians in the series. Yes, Sairaorg beat Leonardo but who else on Sairaorg's team could? Sairaorg even needed to go BxB to beat him.

Shooting Star does have some serious problem so I'll admit that team has more weaknesses than Issei's team.

Rias team is like you said, a well balanced team. Sure, Rias doesn't use complex strategies but like Sona said, this kind of strategies wouldn't fit for Rias team since they emphasize on power and would just get in the way. The weakness of a fragile king was eliminated in the form of Balor Rias and like Sairaorg, she a more experienced king than Issei.

Issei had 4 more rating Gane experience than Vali and yet his team had sloppy results in volume 22.

Palmito
2019-08-15, 21:10
Sairaorg is not the only relatively strong character. Kuisha is also really strong. Also Sairaorg has more experience as a king than Issei.

Unlike Issei's team, Vali's has a competent and capable leader and his team is well balanced. They make up their lack of complex strategies with precise teamwork. You don't see them nearly lose a game by a simple ambush tactic like Issei's team fell for.

Cao Cao's team is nearly a perfect team. A competent and capable leader who's also one of the best tacticians in the series. Yes, Sairaorg beat Leonardo but who else on Sairaorg's team could? Sairaorg even needed to go BxB to beat him.

Shooting Star does have some serious problem so I'll admit that team has more weaknesses than Issei's team.

Rias team is like you said, a well balanced team. Sure, Rias doesn't use complex strategies but like Sona said, this kind of strategies wouldn't fit for Rias team since they emphasize on power and would just get in the way. The weakness of a fragile king was eliminated in the form of Balor Rias and like Sairaorg, she a more experienced king than Issei.

Issei had 4 more rating Gane experience than Vali and yet his team had sloppy results in volume 22.

You consider Kuisha a "relatively strong character" huh. Can you tell me why you don't consider Issei team members relatively strong? Do you think no one there is at least on Kuisha's level? Not even Rose?

Why do you say Ravel is a "fragile tactician"?

Can you show an example of Vali being a competent leader? From what I remember his leadership style is basically letting his team do whatever they want.

And the last question, do you have a problem with Issei's team having weaknesses? If you look, you will find weaknesses in each of the teams that are in the competition, none of them are perfect. Why Issei's team (which is composed almost completely of inexperienced teenagers) should be a perfect team without weaknesses? Just for these RG to be even more boring than they already are? Shouldn't Issei and the others have a hard time considering this is a team that was recently made? Do you think it would make any sense for Issei to all of a sudden become an amazing leader, Ravel an perfect strategist, and a team who was recently put together to have amazing teamwork?

Rayzer
2019-08-15, 21:37
You consider Kuisha a "relatively strong character" huh. Can you tell me why you don't consider Issei team members relatively strong? Do you think no one there is at least on Kuisha's level? Not even Rose?

Why do you say Ravel is a "fragile tactician"?

Can you show an example of Vali being a competent leader? From what I remember his leadership style is basically letting his team do whatever they want.

And the last question, do you have a problem with Issei's team having weaknesses? If you look, you will find weaknesses in each of the teams that are in the competition, none of them are perfect. Why Issei's team (which is composed almost completely of inexperienced teenagers) should be a perfect team without weaknesses? Just for these RG to be even more boring than they already are? Shouldn't Issei and the others have a hard time considering this is a team that was recently made? Do you think it would make any sense for Issei to all of a sudden become an amazing leader, Ravel an perfect strategist, and a team who was recently put together to have amazing teamwork?

The only people on Issei's team that would be on Kuisha's level outside of Issei is Roseweisse and maybe Roygun because of her ability and experience. What's more, Grayfia isn't competing anymore so now they lost a Maou class devil which is a huge blow to the team's fighting power. Ingvild will likely replace Grayfia and she has no combat experience so now Issei's team is now weaker.

Ravel is a fragile tactician when you consider how strong the competition is. Ravel is not even Ultimate devil class. Riser lost to CxC in DX1 and this was after Riser started training and before Issei reached Maou class so Ravel would be consider fragile.

Vali's team uses proper formation and teamwork. This was explained in volume 24. They don't just do whatever they want like Typhon's team.

I never said the other teams doesn't have weaknesses. I'm aware that no team is perfect but just making a point that Issei's team more weaknesses than most teams in the top 16.

Palmito
2019-08-15, 22:19
The only people on Issei's team that would be on Kuisha's level outside of Issei is Roseweisse and maybe Roygun because of her ability and experience. What's more, Grayfia isn't competing anymore so now they lost a Maou class devil which is a huge blow to the team's fighting power. Ingvild will likely replace Grayfia and she has no combat experience so now Issei's team is now weaker.

Ravel is a fragile tactician when you consider how strong the competition is. Ravel is not even Ultimate devil class. Riser lost to CxC in DX1 and this was after Riser started training and before Issei reached Maou class so Ravel would be consider fragile.

Vali's team uses proper formation and teamwork. This was explained in volume 24. They don't just do whatever they want like Typhon's team.

I never said the other teams doesn't have weaknesses. I'm aware that no team is perfect but just making a point that Issei's team more weaknesses than most teams in the top 16.

After seeing Nakiri fight in Shin 2 don't you think he's strong? Fafnir, Xenovia, and Elmen (who tanked a spear of light that was strong enough to defeat an ultimate class devil). None of them are strong? Ok.

I wouldnt say she is fragile. She cannot beat most of the people on the tournament, but she cannot be easily defeated by most of the people on the tournament too, because of her regeneration. If the enemy has any way of canceling her regeneration, you only need to put her inside a barrier made by Rose, or inside Asia BxB. Problem solved. It does not seem a weakness to me, especially since if she is defeated, Issei's team still has the previous RG No. 2 to create strategies for the team.

And how does this show that Vali is a competent leader? Did he do the formations? Is there any scene of him overcoming a difficult situation by creating a good plan and giving his comrades orders to execute this plan (like Rias, Sona and Ravel do)?

So you're not saying this is a bad thing, you are just saying this as a fact? Okay then.

TheWu8128
2019-08-15, 22:22
The only people on Issei's team that would be on Kuisha's level outside of Issei is Roseweisse and maybe Roygun because of her ability and experience. What's more, Grayfia isn't competing anymore so now they lost a Maou class devil which is a huge blow to the team's fighting power. Ingvild will likely replace Grayfia and she has no combat experience so now Issei's team is now weaker.

Ravel is a fragile tactician when you consider how strong the competition is. Ravel is not even Ultimate devil class. Riser lost to CxC in DX1 and this was after Riser started training and before Issei reached Maou class so Ravel would be consider fragile.

Vali's team uses proper formation and teamwork. This was explained in volume 24. They don't just do whatever they want like Typhon's team.

I never said the other teams doesn't have weaknesses. I'm aware that no team is perfect but just making a point that Issei's team more weaknesses than most teams in the top 16.

Your not doing a very good job of making it, the majority of what your saying doesn't make much sense. Too many support types :confused:what the hell are you talking about? Without Issei, his team in general aren't that strong? I can't even begin to explain how much is wrong with this statement. Everyone on Isseis' team is ultimate class level outside of Ravel and Elemhilde. Rossweisse and Xenovia have weapons that enable them to fight Gods. You also didn't explain what makes Vali a competent leader, Vali didn't put them in those positions they did that themselves so what are you talking about? In volume 24 it said specifically he allows his team to do they want to? Issei's team having the most weakness is just wrong you couldn't be more wrong I could name 2 teams with more

Rayzer
2019-08-15, 22:36
Your not doing a very good job of making it, the majority of what your saying doesn't make much sense. Too many support types :confused:what the hell are you talking about? Without Issei, his team in general aren't that strong? I can't even begin to explain how much is wrong with this statement.

How many support types does Issei's team have? Asia(because of healing), Elmenhilde (mainly useful for surveillance), Ravel (Issei's tactician). That's 3 support types. Also considering Ingvild has no combat experience but can boost Issei's power, that makes her the 4th support type. So Issei has 4 support types members which is too much.

Issei's team really isn't that strong without Issei. Take away Issei and you also take away Ddraig. What's left? A bunch of high devil class fighters with few ultimate class fighters. None of which are even Maou class and no god class fighter. Sure you have Asia but her role is mainly for support. Coupled with the list of weaknesses they have, the team isn't that much.

TheWu8128
2019-08-15, 22:58
How many support types does Issei's team have? Asia(because of healing), Elmenhilde (mainly useful for surveillance), Ravel (Issei's tactician). That's 3 support types. Also considering Ingvild has no combat experience but can boost Issei's power, that makes her the 4th support type. So Issei has 4 support types members which is too much.

Issei's team really isn't that strong without Issei. Take away Issei and you also take away Ddraig. What's left? A bunch of high devil fighters with few ultimate class fighters. None of which are even Maou class and no god class fighter. Sure you have Asia but her role is mainly for support. Coupled with the list of weaknesses they have, the team isn't that much.

You didn't see whats wrong with anything you said? If the team is without Issei then that means they lost anyway he's the King. So how can they be without Issei :confused: Outside Ravel and Elemhilde everyone else is ultimate level and they have broken abilities so that doesn't really hurt that much, also I just said Xenovia and Rose have weapons that allow them to fight Gods so you may want to go back and do some reading. Secondly who are you to say 3 or 4 support types are too much? He has 11 team members, 12 if you count Ddraig that 9 fighters. Issei team is one of the more balanced teams, everyone is versatile and can take on many roles. All of the support types have other roles as well, Asia can summon Fafnir that can fight and put up barriers that can defend against gods, Elemhilde can drink blood and gain the ability from that person's blood, Ingvild can fight just because she doesn't have combat experience doesn't mean all she can do is support? Bal and his team didn't have much experience and they did just fine by just being crazy strong. You think to basic can't so the forest for the trees, your list of weakness is super trash lets not use that. I knew you were off from a couple of days ago, I see you went completely off the rails now. It may have sound good in your head, but then you put it out and you sound crazy.

XFire
2019-08-15, 23:03
"Issei's team isn't that strong"

Lol wut?

Asia's barrier is basically invincible and she's the ultimate healbot, and she comes with Fafnir. Who fought and injured Crom, literally the strongest person in the tournament (except maybe that one super devil dude)

Xeonvia is literally invincible and her destructive power is at least on the level of CxC Issei

Rose is at least Maou-class at this point with her new staff.

Roygun was able to stop attacks from a freaking top ten level fighter

Where are you looking that you think Issei's team is weak?

Lucidrago
2019-08-15, 23:56
You didn't see whats wrong with anything you said? If the team is without Issei then that means they lost anyway he's the King. So how can they be without Issei :confused: Outside Ravel and Elemhilde everyone else is ultimate level and they have broken abilities so that doesn't really hurt that much, also I just said Xenovia and Rose have weapons that allow them to fight Gods so you may want to go back and do some reading. Secondly who are you to say 3 or 4 support types are too much? He has 11 team members, 12 if you count Ddraig that 9 fighters. Issei team is one of the more balanced teams, everyone is versatile and can take on many roles. All of the support types have other roles as well, Asia can summon Fafnir that can fight and put up barriers that can defend against gods, Elemhilde can drink blood and gain the ability from that person's blood, Ingvild can fight just because she doesn't have combat experience doesn't mean all she can do is support? Bal and his team didn't have much experience and they did just fine by just being crazy strong. You think to basic can't so the forest for the trees, your list of weakness is super trash lets not use that. I knew you were off from a couple of days ago, I see you went completely off the rails now. It may have sound good in your head, but then you put it out and you sound crazy.

Well actually Xenovia is the only one that has a weapon that allows her to fight gods. Rossweisse's Mistelteinn wand is used by gods and greatly boosts her magic but it hasn't been proven that Rossweisse can fight gods with the increase in magic the wand gives her. And Brynhildr wasn't god-class as she was worth only one knight in the tournament as a god/god-class being is worth two.

But otherwise, you're spot on.

Yes, I have a problem. :heh:

@Xfire When was it ever stated or proven that Xenovia's destructive power is on the level of Issei's CCQ? That would make her power Maou-class as Issei in CCQ is Maou-class.

When was Rossweisse ever proven to be Maou-class with her Mistelteinn wand?

Parry999
2019-08-16, 01:44
Ravel is most likely ultimate-class after Shin 2 remember Koneko is stronger then Kuroka now.

cyberdemon
2019-08-16, 02:06
I'm curious how Issei's team would deal with Diehuaser team. People don't realize that Issei's team (while strong) has many weaknesses. In fact, I would say out of all the teams in the top 16, his team has if not the most weaknesses.

Its the unknowns that are going to give him the advantage. Ingvild can power up Issei. I suspect he will get another peerage member in vol 3. Both would be unknowns to Diehauser. When Diehauser has no info on Issei's peerage, he will have a harder time planning on what will come.

XFire
2019-08-16, 02:10
@Lucidrago the part where her Cross x Crisis does more damage to Strada then his cannon blast?

And the part where her magic is stronger than the strongest Valkyrie. Who is in fact literally called a God when Issei says "everyone.on the other team is made up of Gods".

TheWu8128
2019-08-16, 04:40
Well actually Xenovia is the only one that has a weapon that allows her to fight gods. Rossweisse's Mistelteinn wand is used by gods and greatly boosts her magic but it hasn't been proven that Rossweisse can fight gods with the increase in magic the wand gives her. And Brynhildr wasn't god-class as she was worth only one knight in the tournament as a god/god-class being is worth two.

But otherwise, you're spot on.

Yes, I have a problem. :heh:

@Xfire When was it ever stated or proven that Xenovia's destructive power is on the level of Issei's CCQ? That would make her power Maou-class as Issei in CCQ is Maou-class.

When was Rossweisse ever proven to be Maou-class with her Mistelteinn wand?

Rossweisse can create seals and barrier to stop a being stronger than gods before she got the wand. So yeah she can fight Gods with the wand. I didn't say it put her at a god level, that's why reading is important

Rayzer
2019-08-16, 04:54
You didn't see whats wrong with anything you said? If the team is without Issei then that means they lost anyway he's the King. So how can they be without Issei :confused: Outside Ravel and Elemhilde everyone else is ultimate level and they have broken abilities so that doesn't really hurt that much, also I just said Xenovia and Rose have weapons that allow them to fight Gods so you may want to go back and do some reading. Secondly who are you to say 3 or 4 support types are too much? He has 11 team members, 12 if you count Ddraig that 9 fighters. Issei team is one of the more balanced teams, everyone is versatile and can take on many roles. All of the support types have other roles as well, Asia can summon Fafnir that can fight and put up barriers that can defend against gods, Elemhilde can drink blood and gain the ability from that person's blood, Ingvild can fight just because she doesn't have combat experience doesn't mean all she can do is support? Bal and his team didn't have much experience and they did just fine by just being crazy strong. You think to basic can't so the forest for the trees, your list of weakness is super trash lets not use that. I knew you were off from a couple of days ago, I see you went completely off the rails now. It may have sound good in your head, but then you put it out and you sound crazy.

You're not getting it. Issei himself is majority of his team's power because he's the only God class and he can summon Ddraig. No one else on his team is even Maou class now that Grayfia is gone. Bova is not Ultimate devil class and his performance in the games has been pitiful despite being Tannin's strongest kid. Ingvild (who will likely replace Grayfia) also isn't Ultimate devil class because she lacks combat experience. The reason Black Satan Team did so well is exactly like you said. They are crazy strong. 2 Super Devils (one having the potential to reach Dragon god level) while 2 more being Maou class. This team completely stomped Mahabali's team.

@Xfire Yes Asia is strong with her healing and defense but her main role is support. Her being on the frontline as a fighter to hold off Com only happened because the circumstances demand it. Also I wouldn't say Crom is the strongest. We don't know how strong that 2nd Super Devil is and Indra could he stronger than him.

Xenovia is considered an annoyance because of that sheath but in terms of overall battle power she's below Maou class. Yeah, her Cross× Crisis is strong but she can only use that attack once since it drains a lot of her stamina.

Nothing really proves Rossweisse is at Maou class even with the wand. The strongest Valkyrie wasn't god by the way because she was only worth 1 knight piece. Issei was just being dramatic because there were multiple gods on that team. It doesn't mean every since member were gods because you would say the Valkyrie Squad (those 4 weak Valkyrie who was only worth 2 pawn pieces) and the dragon King would be gods.

Roygun's performance against Typhon was impressive but Typhon was merely toying with her and her group. Remember that she can taken out in seconds by 3 fighters weaker than Typhon in the match afterward match.

I didn't say Issei's team is weak but not that big of a deal compared to other teams in the top 16 because Issei himself is majority of the team power. He has no only God class or Maou class fighter besides himself since Grayfia was gone. Let's look at some other teams. Vali's team, even without Vali you have a top 10 monster like Fenrir and then you Arthur, who's regarded as the strongest swordsman in the current generation. Bikou rivals that of a dragon king. Rias team has Crom and Strada and they are self-explanatory, Kiba's is also self-explanatory. Everyone else except for Valarie is Ultimate devil class. Cao Cao has a god on his team and 2 Longinus users. And I don't even need to go on when it comes to the god teams.

TheWu8128
2019-08-16, 06:05
You're not getting it. Issei himself is majority of his team's power because he's the only God class and he can summon Ddraig. No one else on his team is even Maou class now that Grayfia is gone. Bova is not Ultimate devil class and his performance in the games has been pitiful despite being Tannin's strongest kid. Ingvild (who will likely replace Grayfia) also isn't Ultimate devil class because she lacks combat experience. The reason Black Satan Team did so well is exactly like you said. They are crazy strong. 2 Super Devils (one having the potential to reach Dragon god level) while 2 more being Maou class. This team completely stomped Mahabali's team.

@Xfire Yes Asia is strong with her healing and defense but her main role is support. Her being on the frontline as a fighter to hold off Com only happened because the circumstances demand it. Also I wouldn't say Crom is the strongest. We don't know how strong that 2nd Super Devil is and Indra could he stronger than him.

Xenovia is considered an annoyance because of that sheath but in terms of overall battle power she's below Maou class. Yeah, her CrossĂ— Crisis is strong but she can only use that attack once since it drains a lot of her stamina.

Nothing really proves Rossweisse is at Maou class even with the wand. The strongest Valkyrie wasn't god by the way because she was only worth 1 knight piece. Issei was just being dramatic because there were multiple gods on that team. It doesn't mean every since member were gods because you would say the Valkyrie Squad (those 4 weak Valkyrie who was only worth 2 pawn pieces) and the dragon King would be gods.

Roygun's performance against Typhon was impressive but Typhon was merely toying with her and her group. Remember that she can taken out in seconds by 3 fighters weaker than Typhon in the match afterward match.

I didn't say Issei's team is weak but not that big of a deal compared to other teams in the top 16 because Issei himself is majority of the team power. He has no only God class or Maou class fighter besides himself since Grayfia was gone. Let's look at some other teams. Vali's team, even without Vali you have a top 10 monster like Fenrir and then you Arthur, who's regarded as the strongest swordsman in the current generation. Bikou rivals that of a dragon king. Rias team has Crom and Strada and they are self-explanatory, Kiba's is also self-explanatory. Everyone else except for Valarie is Ultimate devil class. Cao Cao has a god on his team and 2 Longinus users. And I don't even need to go on when it comes to the god teams.

No you don't get it your wrong flat out and there no help for you it seems, your starting point is stupid Issei is the KING do you understand if he isn't there that means he was eliminated. And that means they lose because if the KING is eliminated your team loses very basic and simple concept so what the hell are you talking about with out him the team is weak you can't gauge that because they can't compete without him. So how is that a weakness they can't compete in the tournament without Issei.

Bova is Ultimate class level he would be low tier, Nakiri is high tier plus it's been stated Bova was ultimate class look it up. Your right Ingvild isn't ultimate devil class, because she Maou class who are you to say because she lacks combat experience what class she in, when in the story it was stated her power is stronger than Maou class? You just said the Satan Black Team have 2 Maou class people on their team, you consider them maou class even though they would be the same as Ingvild little to no combat experience, what in the hell are you talking about???

Your wrong on every level of your arguement its not even funny how wrong, misinformed, or uninformed you are. I really can't even with you it's too much, do you even read the story how can you be this basic? You can't even properly guage Issei's team powers and abilities to even make any logical arguement which is why you sound crazy. I already told you quit while your behind you keep falling. It's obvious you don't know what your talking about, its so many holes with everything your saying. You realize Nakiri power would also rival a Dragon King as well right? You know Fafnir has the power level of a god when he protecting Asia right, read the current chapters its there. I can't believe your this basic to just go off power levels, especially in this tournament not accounting for matchups, abilities, weapons, etc. You couldn't be more wrong. You usually make decent points I'm disappointed ��

Look I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you, I've pretty much written a book report on how wrong you are and how basic you been. My suggestion go back and read the story, start from the beginning take your time make a chart to gauge everyones powers, abilities, and weapons and account for all that before you agrue. That stuff your talking about makes no sense.

Lex79
2019-08-16, 07:14
I'm curious how Issei's team would deal with Diehuaser team. People don't realize that Issei's team (while strong) has many weaknesses. In fact, I would say out of all the teams in the top 16, his team has if not the most weaknesses.
Option 1: Issei or Ddraig just oneshot Diehauser, in terms of raw power they are much stronger than him. This of course would be anticlimatic and it's not going to happen.
Option 2: Issei is cornered due to Diehauser's worthless ability that nullifies his trump cards and superior tactics. At the last moment, he develops a new ability that Diehauser cannot nullify (worthless isn't automatic success if he doesn't understand how the ability works) and wins. It's typical for Issei (or shounen protagonists in general) but also very similar to what we got in the fight against Vidar.
Option 3: like 2, but Issei's power up comes from Ingvild's song. This would have the advantage of giving her some needed development and spotlight.
Option 4: like 2, but Issei wins at the last moment by relying on his intelligence rather than brute strength, be it devising a good team tactic or finding and exploiting a weakness in Diehauser's team. Bonus points if this happens after Ravel is retired. This would have the advantage of showing the growth of Issei not only in his power but also in experience and leadership.

Dark soul
2019-08-16, 07:55
Diehauser can't nullify penetrate because during his fight again Ise he dodged every time Ise use it

Rayzer
2019-08-16, 08:19
No you don't get it your wrong flat out and there no help for you it seems, your starting point is stupid Issei is the KING do you understand if he isn't there that means he was eliminated. And that means they lose because if the KING is eliminated your team loses very basic and simple concept so what the hell are you talking about with out him the team is weak you can't gauge that because they can't compete without him. So how is that a weakness they can't compete in the tournament without Issei.

Bova is Ultimate class level he would be low tier, Nakiri is high tier plus it's been stated Bova was ultimate class look it up. Your right Ingvild isn't ultimate devil class, because she Maou class who are you to say because she lacks combat experience what class she in, when in the story it was stated her power is stronger than Maou class? You just said the Satan Black Team have 2 Maou class people on their team, you consider them maou class even though they would be the same as Ingvild little to no combat experience, what in the hell are you talking about???

Your wrong on every level of your arguement its not even funny how wrong, misinformed, or uninformed you are. I really can't even with you it's too much, do you even read the story how can you be this basic? You can't even properly guage Issei's team powers and abilities to even make any logical arguement which is why you sound crazy. I already told you quit while your behind you keep falling. It's obvious you don't know what your talking about, its so many holes with everything your saying. You realize Nakiri power would also rival a Dragon King as well right? You know Fafnir has the power level of a god when he protecting Asia right, read the current chapters its there. I can't believe your this basic to just go off power levels, especially in this tournament not accounting for matchups, abilities, weapons, etc. You couldn't be more wrong. You usually make decent points I'm disappointed ��

Look I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you, I've pretty much written a book report on how wrong you are and how basic you been. My suggestion go back and read the story, start from the beginning take your time make a chart to gauge everyones powers, abilities, and weapons and account for all that before you agrue. That stuff your talking about makes no sense.

Let me put this in a way for you to understand. The problem with Issei's team is it's power is focused around 2 to 3 members with Issei being majority of it because his ability to summon Ddraig. That's a fatal weakness. It's like having a team in a pokemon game with Pokémon being a level of 99/100, one at 80 and the other 4 at level 10-15. meanwhile your going up against a team of 2 level 95, and 4 level 80-85. Coupled with Issei's inexperience of being a king that makes it a huge problem. A weak king with strong supporting pieces is much more powerful than a strong king with weak supporting pieces. It's chess 101, which is also true for basically everything. As we saw in the Azazel cup his abilities as a king are low since he just became one. His leadership skills leaves a lot to be desired.

Where was it states Bova was Ultimate devil class? All I've seen was Bova was the strongest of Tannin's children and his performance in the games were laughable. Nakiri is someone I can believe is Ultimate Devil class as his skills and performance in the tournament has proved it. Despite the lopsided rivalry between him and Bova, we all know who's superior between the two.

Ingvild was just stated to have the aura of Maou class but that doesn't make her Maou class in battle power. She has never been in a fight and she has that sleeping disease which is a glaring weakness. Why do you think Issei and Ravel didn't put her on the team in Shin Volume 2 despite her having more potential than Grayfia? Because her lack of combat experience as well as her sleeping weakness would just be a huge burden. The 2 Maou class devils on Black Satan has actually been in fights and together with the 2 Super Devils, they completely demolished Mahabali's team.

You can get mad if you want but I'm just stating the obvious. People have been overestimating Issei's a lot lately.

Lex79
2019-08-16, 08:44
I disagree, if anything the fights between Rias and Vali and Rias and Issei showed us that no matter how powerful your team mates are, if the king isn't strong enough you are at a disadvantage.

TheWu8128
2019-08-16, 08:59
Let me put this in a way for you to understand. The problem with Issei's team is it's power is focused around 2 to 3 members with Issei being majority of it because his ability to summon Ddraig. That's a fatal weakness. It's like having a team in a pokemon game with Pokémon being a level of 99/100, one at 80 and the other 4 at level 10-15. meanwhile your going up against a team of 2 level 95, and 4 level 80-85. Coupled with Issei's inexperience of being a king that makes it a huge problem. A weak king with strong supporting pieces is much more powerful than a strong king with weak supporting pieces. It's chess 101, which is also true for basically everything. As we saw in the Azazel cup his abilities as a king are low since he just became one. His leadership skills leaves a lot to be desired.

Where was it states Bova was Ultimate devil class? All I've seen was Bova was the strongest of Tannin's children and his performance in the games were laughable. Nakiri is someone I can believe is Ultimate Devil class as his skills and performance in the tournament has proved it. Despite the lopsided rivalry between him and Bova, we all know who's superior between the two.

Ingvild was just stated to have the aura of Maou class but that doesn't make her Maou class in battle power. She has never been in a fight and she has that sleeping disease which is a glaring weakness. Why do you think Issei and Ravel didn't put her on the team in Shin Volume 2 despite her having more potential than Grayfia? Because her lack of combat experience as well as her sleeping weakness would just be a huge burden. The 2 Maou class devils on Black Satan has actually been in fights and together with the 2 Super Devils, they completely demolished Mahabali's team.

You can get mad if you want but I'm just stating the obvious. People have been overestimating Issei's a lot lately.

Dude I understand clearly trust I understand better than you and trust me i'm not mad, you being wrong doesn't effect my emotions :heh:, your logic leaves a lot to be desired as well, have a nice day you taken up enough of my time with this joke of a discussion. I could keep going but why, your lost in the forest. You have eyes go reread, its all in the manual. :heh:

Crimson_Emperor
2019-08-16, 09:01
Nah..... Another closeminded hater:D:D

TheWu8128
2019-08-16, 09:03
He's very closed minded, especially if you base everything in this series off power

Rayzer
2019-08-16, 09:16
Dude I understand clearly trust I understand better than you and trust me i'm not mad, you being wrong doesn't effect my emotions :heh:, your logic leaves a lot to be desired as well, have a nice day you taken up enough of my time with this joke of a discussion. I could keep going but why, your lost in the forest. You have eyes go reread, its all in the manual. :heh:

You can think whatever you want but I accept your concession.

Parry999
2019-08-16, 09:20
Ingvild is undebatablely maou class LOL. The only reason Asia isn't above maou class is because she has no attacks that's it.

Rayzer
2019-08-16, 09:27
Ingvild is undebatablely maou class LOL. The only reason Asia isn't above maou class is because she has no attacks that's it.

In aura only, not in battle power because she has zero combat experience. Asia has Fafnir fighting for her.

Palmito
2019-08-16, 09:28
Let me put this in a way for you to understand. The problem with Issei's team is it's power is focused around 2 to 3 members with Issei being majority of it because his ability to summon Ddraig. That's a fatal weakness. It's like having a team in a pokemon game with Pokémon being a level of 99/100, one at 80 and the other 4 at level 10-15. meanwhile your going up against a team of 2 level 95, and 4 level 80-85. Coupled with Issei's inexperience of being a king that makes it a huge problem. A weak king with strong supporting pieces is much more powerful than a strong king with weak supporting pieces. It's chess 101, which is also true for basically everything. As we saw in the Azazel cup his abilities as a king are low since he just became one. His leadership skills leaves a lot to be desired.

Where was it states Bova was Ultimate devil class? All I've seen was Bova was the strongest of Tannin's children and his performance in the games were laughable. Nakiri is someone I can believe is Ultimate Devil class as his skills and performance in the tournament has proved it. Despite the lopsided rivalry between him and Bova, we all know who's superior between the two.

Ingvild was just stated to have the aura of Maou class but that doesn't make her Maou class in battle power. She has never been in a fight and she has that sleeping disease which is a glaring weakness. Why do you think Issei and Ravel didn't put her on the team in Shin Volume 2 despite her having more potential than Grayfia? Because her lack of combat experience as well as her sleeping weakness would just be a huge burden. The 2 Maou class devils on Black Satan has actually been in fights and together with the 2 Super Devils, they completely demolished Mahabali's team.

You can get mad if you want but I'm just stating the obvious. People have been overestimating Issei's a lot lately.

"A weak king with strong supporting pieces is much more powerful than a strong king with weak supporting pieces."

1- This is not a fact, this is just your opinion.

2- Issei's "support pieces" are not weak. Each has a good level of power, and most of them have broken skills. The fact that his team does not have god class members besides himself, allows his team to have a large number of members with diverse abilities, which makes his team versatile (probably the most versatile team that has been show so far).

Asia: She is by far the best healer of the tournament and she has the most powerful barrier technique shown so far in the series.

Roygun: With the exception of Diehauser she is the most experienced RG player left in the tournament.

Ravel: A young strategist who, while inexperienced, was able to go toe-to-toe with one of the best professional strategists in the RG.

Ingvild: If she can control her powers a little better (and by the speed she learns we know she'll be able to do it pretty soon) not only she can make some of the strongest participants (Crom, Vali, Albion, Yu-long) in the tournament become useless, but there is no way to predict how strong she can make Issei, Bova, Nakiri, and Fafnir become. This is all without BxB.

Xenovia: Problably there is no one in the tournament that can beat her quickly.

Rose: Magic that is strong enough tho affect Gods.

Elmen: In theory the most versatile person in the tournament. Depending on who owns the blood that she drinks she can have dozens of different power combinations.

Fafnir: Dragon King that has a bunch of magical weapons inside him.

Nakiri: Ultimate class devil level that can control the earth.

The only ones that aren't really special are Irina and Bova.

TheWu8128
2019-08-16, 09:28
You can think whatever you want but I accept your concession.

I conceded you don't know what your talking about and your a lost cause so your welcome :heh:. I don't think, I know you don't know what your talking about. That's 100 percent fact have nice day :heh:

Parry999
2019-08-16, 09:34
In aura only, not in battle power because she has zero combat experience. Asia has Fafnir fighting for her.

Yeah just like all of Hades maou class devils and his two dragon god level super devils :heh::heh::heh: Asia and Ise sure had experience before Rias used them.

TheWu8128
2019-08-16, 09:36
Yeah just like all of Hades maou class devils and his two dragon god level super devils :heh::heh::heh:

Thats what I'm saying :heh:

Parry999
2019-08-16, 09:44
Rias was considered a very talented high class devil with the potential to be ultimate-class before basic training to control her power of destruction.

TheWu8128
2019-08-16, 09:55
I don't even believe this anymore you just start this so we could talk about something until Shin 3 came out didn't you sly devil :)

bluestahli1
2019-08-16, 10:03
Rias is talented? She just throws her demon powers like they were hand grenades before she underwent training and even after that her power increases wasn't that impressive, yeah she can conjure her power to be that of a nuke but meh.

Lucidrago
2019-08-16, 10:20
Yeah just like all of Hades maou class devils and his two dragon god level super devils :heh::heh::heh: Asia and Ise sure had experience before Rias used them.

I like seeing this place lively again. :heh:

Verrine isn't Dragon-god level. Balberith is the only one that is.

@Xfire Issei never used Crimson Blaster on Strada. So you have nothing to really compare.

XFire
2019-08-16, 10:48
I like seeing this place lively again. :heh:

Verrine isn't Dragon-god level. Balberith is the only one that is.

@Xfire Issei never used Crimson Blaster on Strada. So you have nothing to really compare.

Yeah, that was Solid Impact, my bad.

Doesn't actually matter though, because Issei did use his Blasters on Grendel, who tanked them.

Grendel was vaped by extinguish star.

Strada overpowered Extinquish Star.

Xeonvia overpowered Strada.

Ergo Xenovia >>> Crimson Blaster attack.