Higurashi - Game Discussion (spoilers lurk here)

[Lawfer]

The moving lips will never be added, simply because the Kizuna sprites obviously didn't have any.

So your work is more influenced by Kizuna than Matsuri?

I didnt have much (if any) hope for moving lips, I guess it is alot of work.


The full voicing won't be done either, or at best, "I" will never do it. Keep in mind that Matsuribayashi and Saikoroshi have a partial voicing to be begin with, that's why I think it will have a better homogeneity if that's the case for the whole thing.
Anyway, I think the partial voicing for the important scenes is far enough.

Okay, so do you have any plans to release patches for "cycle des enigmes" and "cycle des resolutions" with partial voicing at the very least? Also does your patch have textbox as seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxRlkx4gsTw

?

From UmiTweak project Umineko Rondo (1-4) didnt have any textboxes, while Chiru (5-8) had textboxes. I much prefer textboxes like on the console versions rather than how 07th expansion and Type-Moon does it on PC.

[Levani]

From UmiTweak project Umineko Rondo (1-4) didnt have any textboxes, while Chiru (5-8) had textboxes.

Not true. I released an update giving EP1-4 textboxes as well.

[Lawfer]

Not true. I released an update giving EP1-4 textboxes as well.

When? On the site there is only release 0.99c.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Okay, so do you have any plans to release patches for "cycle des enigmes" and "cycle des resolutions" with partial voicing at the very least? Also does your patch have textbox as seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxRlkx4gsTw

?

From UmiTweak project Umineko Rondo (1-4) didnt have any textboxes, while Chiru (5-8) had textboxes. I much prefer textboxes like on the console versions rather than how 07th expansion and Type-Moon does it on PC.


UmiTweak has got an 2.5 update with the textbox and the textbox name on the wiki, either you're blind or you're looking at the wrong place.


Kizuna is pretty much Matsuri 2.0, so of course I'm also focusing on addings its new stuff.

And no for the textbox, that was the old version that was dropped. The actual one looks like this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjZeRCbdx8Y&list=UUSRt2aWqQcs-kG7ecwBdndw

[Lawfer]

either you're blind or you're looking at the wrong place.

Wow thanks alot, that was completly uncalled for...

[Levani]

When? On the site there is only release 0.99c.

Umm, you sure you're checking the right site?

http://uminekofix.wikia.com/wiki/English_Question_Arcs

Here, everything is on this page.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Wow thanks alot, that was completly uncalled for...


The 2.5 version IS on the wikia like Levani just said, that was totally appropriate here. Either you're blind, or you're on the wrong website, that's all.

[Lawfer]

The 2.5 version IS on the wikia like Levani just said, that was totally appropriate here. Either you're blind, or you're on the wrong website, that's all.

No it wasnt you boorish individual, I dunno how it is on your french forum, but on english forums you dont call people blind for no reason.

Umm, you sure you're checking the right site?

http://uminekofix.wikia.com/wiki/English_Question_Arcs

Here, everything is on this page.

So aside from textbox patch that was added, is there anything else I should change? I installed Nocturne with the UmiTweak stuff back in October. Do I need to redownload everything?

[TheGuraGuraMan]

No it wasnt you boorish individual, I dunno how it is on your french forum, but on english forums you dont call people blind for no reason.

I don't intend to continue this "conversation" that began for such a trivial thing. Just saying you're the one being wrong here, you should look a bit more before saying "checked on all the wiki and it was only up to 99c".


So aside from textbox patch that was added, is there anything else I should change? I installed Nocturne with the UmiTweak stuff back in October. Do I need to redownload everything?


Yes, you do have to ddl everything again.

[Lawfer]

Just saying you're the one being wrong here

Yes I was wrong, but that did not warrant you from insulting me.

The Uminekofix website isnt exactly the best to navigate in and the front page did not make it clear that 0.99d suddenly became 2.5 and that a new release was made since June 2013.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Yes I was wrong, but that did not warrant you from insulting me.

The Uminekofix website isnt exactly the best to navigate in and the front page did not make it clear that 0.99d suddenly became 2.5 and that a new release was made since June 2013.


god, stop crying your ass out for a mere word. http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411572046-1410997441505.png

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Oishi's comparison sprite, as usual, from left to right, Vanilla, MG's, fixed MG's and Alchemist's :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411573600-oishi-sprite-compare.png

[xPearse]

god, stop crying your ass out for a mere word.

Why are you such an asshole, you were like this on 4 chan. There's no call for this, and how do you even apply that festival thing of yours to the game anyhow. All I saw was a bunch of folders (with the cg's and sprites) and a patch .5 file, any help there.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Why are you such an asshole, you were like this on 4 chan. There's no call for this, and how do you even apply that festival thing of yours to the game anyhow. All I saw was a bunch of folders (with the cg's and sprites) and a patch .5 file, any help there.

Alright, so let's recap this. I answer all of your questions, then I let out a word because of you insisting for something you should easily have found If you searched a bit, you get all butturt about this for no reason, Calling me an asshole, then asking me something that is explained in the manual available in the patch ? Good grief.
The fact that you don't really seems to try looking before asking doesn't really help you know.

It's just a patch like Umineko tweaking, you need to move the folder with the files in the game folder, because yes, you need the vanilla game. Never tested with the JP edition, but should work I think.


Also, randoms on 4chan called me an "asshole" because I was taking too seriously senseless insults messages and answered them by explaining why I was posting my stuff, this is totally unrelated.



Also, here is Takano's sprites comparison.
*updated on the post after the following one*
Just tried to modify really minor stuff for my fixed version, as the sprite didn't really let to do more than that.
And I don't get the MG artist way of thinking, Takano was the only one with ShMion who really had huge boobs in the vanilla, why did he make her so flat ? Even Chie looks more stacked than her.

[GrAVit]

I think her eyes could be a bit darker, otherwise good job, even if it's not much.

[Mr. Dent]

Also, here is Takano's sprites comparison.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411579318-takano-sprite-compare.png
Just tried to modify really minor stuff for my fixed version, as the sprite didn't really let to do more than that.
And I don't get the MG artist way of thinking, Takano was the only one with ShMion who really had huge boobs in the vanilla, why did he make her so flat ? Even Chie looks more stacked than her.

I'm fine with her chest. I don't get the miniskirt. She's wearing pants in the Vanilla.(I also don't get why she's so obviously evil but whatever at this point.)

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I'm fine with her chest. I don't get the miniskirt. She's wearing pants in the Vanilla.(I also don't get why she's so obviously evil but whatever at this point.)

Yeah, somehow the guy combined both versions, by adding the bag, the mini skirt, and clearly copying Alchemist's hairstyle.

Honestly, the breasts looks quite bad here, if they were trying to be arousing, I prefer the Vanilla and Kizuna versions by a large margin. Why is the breast part clearly holding on the skin while the lower part isn't anyway ?

I think her eyes could be a bit darker

Like this ?
EDIT : tried something for her breasts, what do you think ?
*updated on the post after this one*

[chaos_alfa]

Yeah, somehow the guy combined both versions, by adding the bag, the mini skirt, and clearly copying Alchemist's hairstyle.

Honestly, the breasts looks quite bad here, if they were trying to be arousing, I prefer the Vanilla and Kizuna versions by a large margin. Why is the breast part clearly holding on the skin while the lower part isn't anyway ?



Like this ?
EDIT : tried something for her breasts, what do you think ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411582681-takano-sprite-compare.png

You fixed just what I wanted to comment on, her vest being see-through in only one location.

Great job again with improving her sprite. I also like how you fixed her unrealistic from fitting shirt.

I see you haven't done a fix yet of Mion. I would be very interested in seeing if you could somehow improve her gravity defying breasts and her under breasts crawling shirt.

[GrAVit]

Like this ?


Yeah, just like that. I don't know about the changes with the breasts. I think the perspective makes it a bit difficult to properly change, though. But yeah, it's an improvement.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

You fixed just what I wanted to comment on, her vest being see-through in only one location.

Great job again with improving her sprite. I also like how you fixed her unrealistic from fitting shirt.

I see you haven't done a fix yet of Mion. I would be very interested in seeing if you could somehow improve her gravity defying breasts and her under breasts crawling shirt.



Hum true, didn't really try with Mion, but her sprite make any modification quite difficult, and it's not like I'll be able to change the position of her breasts, I'll make some tests about it tough.

Last version for Takano, just tried to improve the breasts a bit more.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411586011-takano-sprite-compare.png

[chaos_alfa]

Hum true, didn't really try with Mion, but her sprite make any modification quite difficult, and it's not like I'll be able to change the position of her breasts, I'll make some tests about it tough.

Last version for Takano, just tried to improve the breasts a bit more.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411586011-takano-sprite-compare.png

Good improvements. Her shirt seems smoother than before and not unnatural stiff anymore. It also makes her breast look the same size again, in your earlier modification because of the angle her right breast looked a bit bigger than her left.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Aaaaaaand I tried at least. How is it looking ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411588564-mion-remake.png

[chaos_alfa]

Aaaaaaand I tried at least. How is it looking ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411588564-mion-remake.png

More natural than the original at least. Because her shirt isn't under her breast anymore less focus is drawn to her breasts and more is dawn to her overall look.

It would have been nice if her breast could hang a bit more, like it would in real life, but like you said that is not possible unless you redraw them.

[Levani]

I like her face but I don't like how unfocused she is. She looks like she's looking away or something. Gura's eyes are better here for me.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411590114-mion-remake.png
Tried without the blushing.

Hey, doesn't her face looks quite good like that ? It feels like I made her look like her age, while the original was too chibi like.

[Levani]

Yeah, I really like your expression here, she looks cute. (She's my favorite from the novel xD)

So now we need : Keiichi, Satoshi, Kasai, Akane, Satoko's uncle, Rina, Okonogi and Akasaka. Are there more?

[GrAVit]

Yeah, I really like your expression here, she looks cute. (She's my favorite from the novel xD)

So now we need : Keiichi, Satoshi, Kasai, Akane, Satoko's uncle, Rina, Okonogi and Akasaka. Are there more?

You forgot about Hanyuu!

[Levani]

You're right, how could I forget her of all people. I'm stupid like that sometimes XDD

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Yeah, I really like your expression here, she looks cute. (She's my favorite from the novel xD)

So now we need : Keiichi, Satoshi, Kasai, Akane, Satoko's uncle, Rina, Okonogi and Akasaka. Are there more?


All of them are for the Answer arcs anyway, they certainly won't come out soon.

Don't forget there are the suits too :
- Mion's sport, swimming pool and casual suit
- Rena's sport suit
- Rika's sport, miko and school-cat suit
- Satoko's sport suit.
- Irie's baseball and casual suit
- Shion's casual suit (the school one doesn't appear before Meakashi's epilogue)

And maybe Loli Rika and Loli Mion.

[Levani]

Isn't Chie from Kai too?

[GrAVit]

All of them are for the Answer arcs anyway, they certainly won't come out soon.

Don't forget there are the suits too :
- Mion's sport, swimming pool and casual suit
- Rena's sport suit
- Rika's sport, miko and school-cat suit
- Satoko's sport suit.
- Irie's baseball and casual suit
- Shion's casual suit (the school one doesn't appear before Meakashi's epilogue)

And maybe Loli Rika and Loli Mion.

And the Angel Mort outfits as well, right? The ones they have to use in Tsumihoroboshi-hen for their punishment game, Rika, Satoko and Mion, that is.

Isn't Chie from Kai too?

No, she appears in Tatarigoroshi-hen.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

And the Angel Mort outfits as well, right? The ones they have to use in Tsumihoroboshi-hen for their punishment game, Rika, Satoko and Mion, that is.


I was talking about the suits in the Question arcs...

[GrAVit]

I was talking about the suits in the Question arcs...

Oh, ok. I just kinda skimmed through it and realised the potential of the artist making a mess of the Angel Mort sprites.

Anyway, we haven't seen Rena's and Satoko's school uniform sprites yet, right?

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Oh, ok. I just kinda skimmed through it and realised the potential of the artist making a mess of the Angel Mort sprites.

Anyway, we haven't seen Rena's and Satoko's school uniform sprites yet, right?


Yeah, that's true, same for Mion's casual suit. I'll go ask on the ask.fm of Mangagamer, we can always try, maybe they'll post them.

[xPearse]

Ok, so I had a look back and the festival wikia and found this....

"Installation: Download all the rar files, uncompress a (any) and you will get a folder. Move it in the original game, then copy the usual launcher and start it playing."

Granted it wasn't in the FAQ or anything like that but the arcs answers page, would you need the french version of the game or would your patch work with mangagamers release? Also, how far along in the whole scale of things are you, could you post a list of arcs and percentage or maybe just overall.

[Mr. Dent]

http://photo4.ask.fm/496/852/255/1650003019-1s2lla4-17dem16boo3bt0p/original/re_se_hii_a1.png

I like this one a lot.

[GrAVit]

http://photo4.ask.fm/496/852/255/1650003019-1s2lla4-17dem16boo3bt0p/original/re_se_hii_a1.png

I like this one a lot.

lol, that spooked me since it was the first thing that popped up when the page loaded for me. But yeah, looks pretty nice, actually.

[Levani]

That's...quite a good expression there. Not bad x.x

[TheGuraGuraMan]

It's quite annoying that he keeps copying a lot the Alchemist version instead of making its original one based on the Vanilla, but at least, this expression is pretty good.

Tough it seems like he didn't bother making a special position for the head.

[xPearse]

That looks terrible, her body proportions are all off. Especially her forehead, hair, that waist line and those thick bugs bunny legs.

[chaos_alfa]

That looks terrible, her body proportions are all off. Especially her forehead, hair, that waist line and those thick bugs bunny legs.

Her head is even almost as big as her torso :uhoh:

[Levani]

^ Not different from this :

http://puu.sh/bNfJC/aa3a6e456a.png

[GrAVit]

^ Not different from this :

http://puu.sh/bNfJC/aa3a6e456a.png

Yeah, I'm completely fine with this one, to be honest. It looks like the artist's combining elements from the vanilla and then the Alchemist versions.
The short tie and sleeves are more like from the vanilla, meanwhile the skirt and expression seem to be from Alchemist.
It's not like I have a problem with it. There really is no "true originality", every artist's work is inspired by a prior artist's work, either by being aware of it or not.
This is noticeable, for example, in video games.

[chaos_alfa]

^ Not different from this :

http://puu.sh/bNfJC/aa3a6e456a.png

That is true. It was just something which I only noticed because xPearse brought my attention to it.
Sometimes when you get used to something you don't notice the obvious anymore.


I get the impression that not everybody at MangaGamer has the same idea with how the new version of Higurashi is going to get released.

And also offer the option for using the original sprites?

The new sprite version and the old sprites version will be separate products, due to the engine port and our release format, but the old sprite version will be updated with the retranslation as well.

And also offer the option for using the original sprites?

The new sprite version and the old sprites version will be separate products, due to the engine port and our release format, but the old sprite version will be updated with the retranslation as well.

From what I have read it seems like the Doddler has added the option to be able to use the old sprites in the upcoming Steam version of Higurashi.

‏@Chaos_Alfa Aug 21
@The_Doddler Is the plan still to offer the player the option to switch to the original sprites if they want to?

Doddler
‏@The_Doddler
@Chaos_Alfa Yeah that should still be the case.

Will higurashi have original+new or original+ps2+new sprites?
It will be original + new, we weren't able to get rights to use the ps2 assets, which is the main reason we contracted new character art.

What was the particular reason for making Higurashi's character sprites 1280x960 vs, say, 1600x1200 or 1024x768?
I chose 1280x960 because the sprites actually wouldn't scale down well to 640x480 (the native resolution for the game) unless the textures were a multiple of two (1280x960 is 2x the base resolution). The reason is I can use mipmaps to downscale somewhat cleanly, but those are always 1/2 the original texture size. I actually started with 1920x1440 (3x res) but they looked pretty bad scaled to lower resolutions, and the source art wasn't high enough res to go higher. Supporting 640x480 is still important because some users will want to use the original art rather than our updated art so I'm still targeting it as the 'base' resolution.

If a mistake has been made I hope the Steam version can keep the option.
Source: http://forums.mangagamer.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=363

[TheGuraGuraMan]

It's not like I have a problem with it. There really is no "true originality", every artist's work is inspired by a prior artist's work, either by being aware of it or not.
This is noticeable, for example, in video games.

That's bullshit. There is a difference between the Alchemist one who added new elements and the Steam one who just copy pasted both versions, except if you count those stupid ecchi adds as originality.

Shouldn't that be counted as plagiarism actually ?


Also, finished the soda comparison :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411656997-rena-usoda-comparison.png

[chaos_alfa]

That's bullshit. There is a difference between the Alchemist one who added new elements and the Steam one who just copy pasted both versions, except if you count those stupid ecchi adds as originality.

Shouldn't that be counted as plagiarism actually ?


Also, finished the soda comparison :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411656997-rena-usoda-comparison.png

I think you mean usoda :p

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I think you mean usoda :p


And that's what you call a pun.

[chaos_alfa]

And that's what you call a pun.

My English comprehension doesn't seem to be high enough to understand that pun :(

[Levani]

Shouldn't that be counted as plagiarism actually ?

Biggest pile of crap I've seen all day. That's really illogical.

First we complain about the changes that were made, then we complain because the artist tries to mimic PS2 art and base his art around it. Can MangaGamer ever win? I don't think so. I feel sorry for those guys.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Biggest pile of crap I've seen all day. That's really illogical.

First we complain about the changes that were made, then we complain because the artist tries to mimic PS2 art and base his art around it. Can MangaGamer ever win? I don't think so. I feel sorry for those guys.

The guy is literally copying the Matsuri sprites, look at Oishi, Chie and many others, that's crazy obvious, and he even manage to be stupid and copy the errors fixed in Kizuna, like Rena's hairs, or Satoko's short.
Mangagamer doesn't have any right on Alchemist's sprites, their sprites should be just based on the Vanilla, that's all. Yes, I think it could be considered as plagiarism to a certain extent.

My English comprehension doesn't seem to be high enough to understand that pun.

usoda > soda

....

[GrAVit]

That's bullshit. There is a difference between the Alchemist one who added new elements and the Steam one who just copy pasted both versions, except if you count those stupid ecchi adds as originality.

Shouldn't that be counted as plagiarism actually ?


Ok, then what *should* it look like? That's the iconic Rena uso da face we know, and I'm happy with how the artist implemented it. The others had changes that we didn't like, and now you're complaining that there aren't enough changes? C'mon, give me a break.

[Levani]

Gura, I can't believe you are accusing MangaGamer of plagiarism. I'm really sorry but that doesn't make any logical sense at all.

Even if he is using Alchemist sprites as a base it doesn't make it plagiarism. Plagiarism is more about intentionally concealing the original inspiration and pretending it's an entirely original creation. I don't think there's any claim being made of that, some of these are clearly based off what the PS2 sprites look like and that can be freely admitted, the only reason that might be bad is if it's copyright infringement (not plagiarism), but it's not forbidden copyright-wise to use the PS2 sprites for inspiration or reference just because they don't have a right to use them directly. He is producing an entirely new sprite not tracing the old one, there is no copyright infringement here

Taking an inspiration isn't "copying" and "ripping off". What's wrong with the artist making it look like the PS2 sprites, last time I checked you were whining about how different the new sprites looked and how you couldn't acknowledge these changes.

I can't believe this. This is hating for the sake of hating. You are so attached to the PS2/DS sprites that you nitpicked every tiny problem in the new sprites and once you were done with that, you started seeing some bullshit to complain more.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Ok, then what *should* it look like? That's the iconic Rena uso da face we know, and I'm happy with how the artist implemented it. The others had changes that we didn't like, and now you're complaining that there aren't enough changes? C'mon, give me a break.


I'm saying that it should simply be way more based on the vanilla, as usual, it's a ripoff of the Matsuri version, tough this one is still okay.

[chaos_alfa]

usoda > soda

....

Ah, you just meant the sound. I though you meant there was another meaning the word soda had which was appropriate for the situation.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Gura, I can't believe you are accusing MangaGamer of plagiarism. I'm really sorry but that doesn't make any logical sense at all.

Taking an inspiration isn't "copying" and "ripping off". What's wrong with the artist making it look like the PS2 sprites, last time I checked you were whining about how different the new sprites looked and how you couldn't acknowledge these changes.

I can't believe this. This is hating for the sake of hating. You are so attached to the PS2/DS sprites that you nitpicked every tiny problem in the new sprites and once you were done with that, you started seeing some bullshit to complain more.


I like the Alchemist art, but was should have been interesting with those new sprites is that they are based on the vanilla. There are many things I like in the vanilla which aren't in Alchemist sprites, and I was obviously waiting for it to set them, but no. Here it more feels like an Alchemist ripoff for an hentai version, sorry to say that. I'm mostly keeping an eye on them because new sprites for higurashi doesn't come out every days.

And the guys is clearly copying. If you don't believe me, just look at oishi's eyes and mouths.
https://twitter.com/TheGuraGuraMan/status/514806996764479488/photo/1

that you nitpicked every tiny problem in the new sprites

Yes, because those aren't tiny problems for a lot of them, you consider Chies scrotch and Takano's breasts as a little problem ?
Some aren't necessary, but that was just me testing stuff because I wanted to.

[Levani]

You know what, I'm done with your bullshit about these new sprites. I'm tired of going back and forth. Enjoy whatever you prefer.

[xPearse]

You know what, I'm done with your bullshit about these new sprites. I'm tired of going back and forth. Enjoy whatever you prefer.

But you do understand that the artist is using the PS2/DS sprites as reference and re-drawing them "almost exactly" the same except in his own art style. I know that's not plagiarism but it is really lazy, I wanted to steam sprites to be "new" and not simply an edit. By the way, did Manga gamer even give him guidelines or just pay him and he grabbed the nearest reference he could find, that could explain why they are so similar.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

But you do understand that the artist is using the PS2/DS

No, not even the ds remadep srites, just the ps2 ones. So besides copying, he's also using a wrong reference, make the same "errors" as Alchemist did AND add more stupid stuff. Besides not even adding things like Satoko towel's bruises to even draw her with perfect anime skins.


If it's just to get an hentai copy of Alchemist sprites, would rather stay with the Kizuna ones. I'll say it again, having only vanilla based MG sprites would have been better to begin with. And not having a hentai artist too to being with.

Tough they do have some good points, but they're usually butchered by details that make the whole thing bad or weird.

[Lawfer]

Apparently there is a reason why the artist mangagamer hired to do the sprites is basing his work so much on Alchemist characters version, its that Mangagamer tried to get the Playstation 2 version assets, but didnt manage to get them:

http://ask.fm/The_Doddler/answer/116585158385

Question: Will higurashi have original+new or original+ps2+new sprites?

Amswer: It will be original + new, we weren't able to get rights to use the ps2 assets, which is the main reason we contracted new character art.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Apparently there is a reason why the artist mangagamer hired to do the sprites is basing his work so much on Alchemist characters version, its that Mangagamer tried to get the Playstation 2 version assets, but didnt manage to get them:

http://ask.fm/The_Doddler/answer/116585158385



Already saw this, that's not an excuse neither is it the problem.

And frankly, talking about the "playstation 2" when they should be asking for the "ds" data probably means they don't even know what they're talking about, and that they didn't even try to get them and use this as an excuse for people asking. After all, it's way more easy and less expensive to hire an artist, adding the "he can make them more sexy, so should sell more !"

[Lawfer]

Ok, so I had a look back and the festival wikia and found this....

"Installation: Download all the rar files, uncompress a (any) and you will get a folder. Move it in the original game, then copy the usual launcher and start it playing."

Granted it wasn't in the FAQ or anything like that but the arcs answers page, would you need the french version of the game or would your patch work with mangagamers release? Also, how far along in the whole scale of things are you, could you post a list of arcs and percentage or maybe just overall.

Since no one answered this and the info is all in french, so here is how it is:

The patch was made with the french version in mind, however it is unknown if it could work with the japanese versions or US versions.

So far Episode 1-4 (Question Arcs) are at version 2.5, next is to release patch 2.6 (the final patch apparently) with partial voices.

For Episode 5-8 (Answer Arcs) are at version 1.1, the plan is to release patch 2.5 next and ultimately get both the Question Arcs and Episodes 5 and 6 (Answer Arcs) at 2.6.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Since no one answered this and the info is all in french, so here is how it is:

The patch was made with the french version in mind, however it is unknown if it could work with the japanese versions or US versions.

So far Episode 1-4 (Question Arcs) are at version 2.5, next is to release patch 2.6 (the final patch apparently) with partial voices.

For Episode 5-8 (Answer Arcs) are at version 1.1, the plan is to release patch 2.5 next and ultimately get both the Question Arcs and Episodes 5 and 6 (Answer Arcs) at 2.6.


The 2.6 will have the following stuff added :
- partial voicing with the voice volume option in the config menu.
- Matsuri's openings replaced by the 4 Kizuna ones. The main menu also changes depending on your progression, with an atmosphere fitting the one of the opening (op1 for arcs 1-3, op2 for arcs 4-5, op3 for arcs 6-7, op4 for arc 8).
- The Kizuna openings are partially remade by myself to remove the ds exclusive content (and replace it by other things), and replace the japanese text to french.
- movie menu obviously added since there are now more than one opening.
- All the sprites gets updated a lot again, some are improved, completed (Rika and Satoko getting their Kizuna casual clothes), or set (Takano still had her Matsuri sprite).

The demo will also be set to 2.6 along with it.

The answer arcs will directly get updated to 2.6 with the voicing and all the added things. Will still take some times, as besides the scripting part, I'm still missing important Kizuna references (to make Kei's Kizuna sprite for exemple).


Also, what you mostly need to actually make the patch work would be some effect files and the sound files, which should be the same in the jp and french releases, so it will most probably work.

[Lawfer]

The 2.6 will have the following stuff added :
- partial voicing with the voice volume option in the config menu.
- Matsuri's openings replaced by the 4 Kizuna ones. The main menu also changes depending on your progression, with an atmosphere fitting the one of the opening (op1 for arcs 1-3, op2 for arcs 4-5, op3 for arcs 6-7, op4 for arc 8).
- The Kizuna openings are partially remade by myself to remove the ds exclusive content (and replace it by other things), and replace the japanese text to french.
- movie menu obviously added since there are now more than one opening.
- All the sprites gets updated a lot again, some are improved, completed (Rika and Satoko getting their Kizuna casual clothes), or set (Takano still had her Matsuri sprite).

Sounds awesome, 2.6 is definitly worth the wait.


Also, what you mostly need to actually make the patch work would be some effect files and the sound files, which should be the same in the jp and french releases, so it will most probably work.

That would be nice, I was thinking of picking up Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Hou too, so I will try and test it with the patch to see if it works when I get it.

[Lawfer]

Edit: Is my image post working?

No, here is the direct link to the picture you wanted to post:

http://33.media.tumblr.com/38f39fc44700c511e2f4185d4c81892e/tumblr_nbeq45YLZM1rpltjko2_r2_400.png

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Hey, GuraMan, I found this towel sprite edit on Tumblr. I just thought it would be nice to share this since you like to edit the MangaGamer sprites a lot.

http://thebiggesthigurashi.tumblr.com/post/96721276461/give-me-a-reason-why-not-to-adopt-in-this-way

Infinitely times better than MangaGamer's current version. I actually found this a while ago. Don't know why I didn't do so before.

Edit: Is my image post working? I'm on my phone right now and only see a tiny blank square.


It's not since you seems to have posted the link of the post, not the one of the actual image :
*removed since Lawfer ended up being faster than me*

Honestly, they crying over this part, but that's one thing I don't care about. Removing the perfect anime skin and adding the bruises is way more important and logical (tough setting both modifications could also work I guess) :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411674380-satoko-towel-test.png
Actually, adding the fact the "sexyness" over a little girl with bruises makes the whole scene even more creepy, that's fitting.

[GrAVit]

As a matter of fact, I actually started a blog on Tumblr to organize a resistance against MangaGamer's current sprite. I called it "mangagamertreatmentofsatoko" (not the most creative name, I know) and the supposed two week waiting period for new blogs should be ending for it this coming Monday. Hopefully Tumblr will finally start publishing my posts under tags! Who knows, I might even start a petition if it comes to that.

I feel like people are starting to take the sprite a bit too seriously...
It's just a visual novel, after all. Not to mention it's pretty much completely normal in Japan.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

As a matter of fact, I actually started a blog on Tumblr to organize a resistance against MangaGamer's current sprite. I called it "mangagamertreatmentofsatoko" (not the most creative name, I know) and the supposed two week waiting period for new blogs should be ending for it this coming Monday. Hopefully Tumblr will finally start publishing my posts under tags! Who knows, I might even start a petition if it comes to that.


*sigh*

Seriously, just go on Danbooru for example, you'll find tons of fanarts of Satoko that are WAY more sexualized than this.

Like GrAVit said, people are taking this part too seriously, instead of REAL problems for the Steam sprites.

[Dr. Casey]

Yeah. I can understand your feelings and all, but I hope you're not joined by too many others. I don't think MangaGamer deserves to be hounded for being faithful to the original game, which comes from a different culture with a different mindset.

[Levani]

Good luck with your anti-MangaGamer campaign, I'm sure a lot of people will join you, though probably not because of Satoko.

Awesome morals by the way, a censored naked sprite is not okay in your book but this kind of thing is -
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131208032729/whentheycry/images/f/f0/Satoko's_death.jpg

Didn't know Higurashi fandom was this ungrateful and entitled.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

How can any of you think that MangaGamer is worth defending after actual staff members openly made perverted comments about this issue? Their behavior is heinous, and they deserve all the hate they may get!


Because we know what a JOKE is ? Crazy how you're taking so seriously JUST the "sexualized loli" while the rest is okay.

[Lawfer]

Remember how upset everyone was with the Kira OVA?

Lol these OVAs were completly worthless, I remember downloading them and just deleting them after I saw that it was just milking on the franchise and didnt have any reedeming content.

[Mr. Dent]

I'll just take the good luck as a sign of good faith and say thank you. If not wanting a hentai-oriented company to exploit our beloved franchise and unnecessarily sexualize it at every turn (especially when nobody even asked them to do a remake) makes us ingrates, then we are the most ungrateful children on the planet.

Higurashi has always been sexualized. The original VN, the manga, the anime, and every other iteration has fanservice. This is nothing new. Also, nobody asked them to do a remake? Did you see all the people on the Steam Green-Light page talking about the art being ugly? And if they didn't change the art, it'd have Satoko nude. And even if they did change that, but used the original art, she'd be holding the towel the same exact waywith the same exact pose. (IE. "They're ruining my series by changing it to the same thing that was in the original!")

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I'll just take the good luck as a sign of good faith and say thank you. If not wanting a hentai-oriented company to exploit our beloved franchise and unnecessarily sexualize it at every turn (especially when nobody even asked them to do a remake) makes us ingrates, then we are the most ungrateful children on the planet.

Remember how upset everyone was with the Kira OVA? How is this different? I know Higurashi has fanservice here and there, but last time I checked, Higurashi is not eroge. I don't see how my complaints about a sexualized child are any less valid than the other complaints about minor, nitpicky details I see on this forum.


Some of the jokes from the episode 1 of Kira went too far, like Rika's, mainly because it was visually showed, but KNOW WHAT ? The actual episode is based on a real arc coming from the visual novel.
Also, not like Satoko's towel sprite is the first thing sexualizing a bit the characters.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411681212-me-akuwaraia1.png
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411681212-si-defa1.png

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Lol these OVAs were completly worthless, I remember downloading them and just deleting them after I saw that it was just milking on the franchise and didnt have any content of import.


The first episode showed more the soul brothers, and many parts were quite funny (the one with Takano being attacked by the club in the infirmary).
The second one was quite a cool parody of the magical girl genre.
The third one was an okay romance episode, tough adding Shion was quite bad toward Satoshi.
The fourth one didn't have anything special, wasn't interested by loli Rika, and I expected more Hanyu, but nope.

The Kira OAVs are quite decents actually. Ironically, the opening was the only one showing the adult characters besides Takano.

[Lawfer]

I know Higurashi has fanservice here and there

Not really, at least not until the Rei OVAs.

[Mr. Dent]

The first episode showed more the soul brothers, and many parts were quite funny (the one with Takano being attacked by the club in the infirmary).
The second one was quite a cool parody of the magical girl genre.
The third one was an okay romance episode, tough adding Shion was quite bad toward Satoshi.
The fourth one didn't have anything special, wasn't interested by loli Rika, and I expected more Hanyu, but nope.

I liked the last OVA, actually. The first two didn't interest me that much, but the third one was cute (Mion's always been my favorite,) and the last one was really sweet, though that must be because I love Rika and Hanyuu. Didn't really dislike Kira that much.

[Lawfer]

The first episode showed more the soul brothers, and many parts were quite funny (the one with Takano being attacked by the club in the infirmary).
The second one was quite a cool parody of the magical girl genre.
The third one was an okay romance episode, tough adding Shion was quite bad toward Satoshi.
The fourth one didn't have anything special, wasn't interested by loli Rika, and I expected more Hanyu, but nope.

The Kira OAVs are quite decents actually. Ironically, the opening was the only one showing the adult characters besides Takano.

I didnt watch them, I fast forwarded and only saw non-serious scenes, like I remember Keiichi got blind folded and was made to choose one of the girls and he ended up choosing the old woman, stuff like that.

[GrAVit]

The first episode showed more the soul brothers, and many parts were quite funny (the one with Takano being attacked by the club in the infirmary).
The second one was quite a cool parody of the magical girl genre.
The third one was an okay romance episode, tough adding Shion was quite bad toward Satoshi.
The fourth one didn't have anything special, wasn't interested by loli Rika, and I expected more Hanyu, but nope.


I thought the OVA was hilarious, as well as the first and last chapters of Rei.
I don't mind if it's not serious.
Many people say that Kira ruined Higurashi, but I disagree.
After all, it was there to celebrate the 10-year anniversary of the series.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Not really, at least not until the Rei OVAs.


Stop using the anime as a reference.



I think the fact that the characters keep coming back to life takes some of the sting out of it, too. At least a gory death isn't associated with "defiling" or "degrading" the character (that's how I justify it, at least).


And that's full bullshit. Adding the fact they're NOT coming back to life, each is a different world, Hanyu ain't using a time machine.

[GrAVit]

Stop using the anime as a reference.

Indeed, if you knew how many pervertish moments they cut from the anime, which were present in the visual novel, you'd know there really was some fan service here and there.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Indeed, if you knew how many pervertish moments they cut from the anime, which were present in the visual novel, you'd know there really was some fan service here and there.


Even the manga had a part of them.

[GrAVit]

Even the manga had a part of them.

I haven't personally read the manga aside from the exclusive arcs, but I'm sure they were even more distinctive there.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I haven't personally read the manga aside from the exclusive arcs, but I'm sure they were even more distinctive there.


You should tough, they're all great, and adapt very well the story, compared to the anime. Himatsubushi's was even better than the VN for example.

[GrAVit]

You should tough, they're all great, and adapt very well the story, compared to the anime. Himatsubushi's was even better than the VN for example.

I'll be sure to read them then, probably soon, when I start feeling enough nostalgy for Higurashi again.
I started with the anime, back in February. Then I started reading the visual novel in April and finished it in July. Fantastic experiences, and definitely my favourite series.
I've seen some pictures of the manga version, and it definitely looks a lot scarier than the other adaptations, so I'm sure I'll like it as well.

[Mr. Dent]

MangaGamer has stated that Steam's rules regarding nudity are the only reason for their censorship. Even then, they turned around and sexualized the towel sprite (it's not just the fact that she's barely covered, but also a bunch of other details).

You do know that they were going to censor Satoko's nude sprite in the initial release, but never did do to fans freaking out and threatening to boycott then because they were censoring it? And fans are also upset with them censoring the sprite in the remake? http://ask.fm/The_Doddler/answer/116976382449

[xPearse]

I generally hate the sexualization of children, I mean who doesn't. Unless your Japanese or one of those people who claim they're not real. Even if they aren't, it still doesn't take away the fact a child is being sexualized, in the original game and the new sprite versions, so both should be judged for what they are. And I doubt the creator has a problem sexualizing children, he did after all create a nude sprite, which was very unnecessary. Especially in terms of a story narrative, there are ways around that but it seems he wanted people to jack off. Also mangagamer, a company who almost exclusively sell porn games, including loli ones (recently they talked about restoring a childs "anus" and all its glory during a "spanking" scene), will not have the sprite nude because steam won't allow it, not the fact it is morally wrong or anything like that. They are disgusting and deserve everything coming to them, utterly pathetic.

That set aside, I noticed the sound novel had this event pic. Below is also the PS2 one, but are there any other event pics in the original game like this or just this one.
http://tw.greywool.com/i/bpHdz.png
http://tw.greywool.com/i/CTq9-.png

[GrAVit]

That set aside, I noticed the sound novel had this event pic. Below is also the PS2 one, but are there any other event pics in the original game like this or just this one.
http://tw.greywool.com/i/bpHdz.png
http://tw.greywool.com/i/CTq9-.png

Yeah, when Keiichi realises that Shion has been fooling him in Watanagashi-hen. The point where she hangs up on him with a manic, long laugh, followed by a popup image of eyes in the original VN, and a creepy Shion's face in Matsuri.

[MCAL]

Yeah, when Keiichi realises that Shion has been fooling him in Watanagashi-hen. The point where she hangs up on him with a manic, long laugh, followed by a popup image of eyes in the original VN, and a creepy Shion's face in Matsuri.I remember that one. Creeped me the f**k out too.

[Mr. Dent]

I remember that one. Creeped me the f**k out too.

Funnily enough, they kept that in the manga. Sudden realistic eyes from nowhere. Scary as hell. Though the manga version of that arc wasn't as creepy (the canned human flesh was almost completely omitted, if I remember right, and they blatantly copied scenes from the anime adaptation) I still loved that Arc's artist.

[Levani]

(especially not after Alchemist's remakes already showed that new versions can desexualize sprites)

How many time to I have to tell you that that happed only because Alchemist's games are on consoles? Don't use that as an argument.

Edit: Doddler works for MangaGamer, and I believe he's skewing the facts at least a little in that response. He thinks only a "few" people are upset about the sexualization? Do we really know that "a lot" of people are upset about the censorship compared to only "a few" who are upset about the sexualization? They're just trying to cover their *$$e$! I remember at least 100 people on Tumblr deciding to boycott MangaGamer because of that sprite, and hopefully I can get that number to grow.

Such stupidity. Sexualization, which was censored and isn't that bad, is being boycotted in a fictional visual novel world on a single image out of hundreds. Don't you have anything better to do?

Get your freakin' western views out from this. Don't like it? Don't demand Japanese media to be something to fit your taste. You're really entitled.

Also mangagamer, a company who almost exclusively sell porn games, including loli ones (recently they talked about restoring a childs "anus" and all its glory during a "spanking" scene), will not have the sprite nude because steam won't allow it, not the fact it is morally wrong or anything like that. They are disgusting and deserve everything coming to them, utterly pathetic.

Lol, calm the fuck down. I'm tired of your people's social injustice bullshit. How can you even complain about this in a Higurashi? A story which has far worse events than sexualization? Also, is Higurashi the only Japanese media thing you like? You haven't seen anything like this before? Look around you, this is part of what makes Japanese media. Don't be blind about it and don't whine about it when American gets something from them. Japanese media SHOULD NOT FIT your morals.

Satoko's torture and death, abuse and rape and all the shit that happened to her and her friends is totally okay in your eyes? But this little STUPID sprite is the worst thing ever? Have you people read Higurashi When they Cry? How many fucked up stuff happen in it, do you know it? And then you complain to me about this stupid sprite only used in a fraction of the whole damn visual novel.

[GuppyForce]

Edit: Doddler works for MangaGamer, and I believe he's skewing the facts at least a little in that response. He thinks only a "few" people are upset about the sexualization? Do we really know that "a lot" of people are upset about the censorship compared to only "a few" who are upset about the sexualization? They're just trying to cover their *$$e$! I remember at least 100 people on Tumblr deciding to boycott MangaGamer because of that sprite, and hopefully I can get that number to grow.

I'm out of the Tumblr loop, but how many of these 100 people would actually have purchased the game, or even have heard about Higurashi in the first place. The few links to Tumblr I remember reading were mostly of people who weren't even familiar with the context of the scene, much less a potential customer to MangaGamer. How many of these 100 are just random SJWs jumping on the hate bandwagon?

My stance on the sprite is that it's freaking censored and doesn't look sexual in the slightest. I don't mind changes to the towel and would actually welcome them adding bruises, but I feel this whole fiasco is ridiculously blown out of proportion.

And I highly doubt MangaGamer is gonna lose any sizeable portion of their customer base from whatever boycott Tumblr tries to achieve.

[Lawfer]

Stop using the anime as a reference.

Indeed, if you knew how many pervertish moments they cut from the anime, which were present in the visual novel, you'd know there really was some fan service here and there.

I thought that the person I was responding to was only talking about the anime (since he brought up Kira), otherwise I wouldnt have responded since I never played the VN (this is why I am waiting for the 2.6 patch) nor did I read the mangas published by Yen Press.

[xPearse]

Lol, calm the fuck down. I'm tired of your people's social injustice bullshit. How can you even complain about this in a Higurashi? A story which has far worse events than sexualization? Also, is Higurashi the only Japanese media thing you like? You haven't seen anything like this before? Look around you, this is part of what makes Japanese media. Don't be blind about it and don't whine about it when American gets something from them. Japanese media SHOULD NOT FIT your morals.

Satoko's torture and death, abuse and rape and all the shit that happened to her and her friends is totally okay in your eyes? But this little STUPID sprite is the worst thing ever? Have you people read Higurashi When they Cry? How many fucked up stuff happen in it, do you know it? And then you complain to me about this stupid sprite only used in a fraction of the whole damn visual novel.

Who hasn't seen stuff like this before, but that doesn't mean we become ok to the fact it happens. We bitch and moan every single time because some of use at least, have a sense of morality, and I wouldn't use the word "your people" unless you want to go in that direction. This isn't just a western view but a world view, to not sexualise children because it's morally wrong and just because it may be considered the norm in japan doesn't mean we can't judge it based on our own western "civilised" viewpoints. There is also more than just this sprite and the original I don't like, for one thing placing children in the angel mort outfits which "are" sexualised. That's the entire point of those outfits so you can't say that wasn't the intent, similar to how the original nude sprite was... sexualisation, but I guess that's up for debate.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Who hasn't seen stuff like this before, but that doesn't mean we become ok to the fact it happens. We bitch and moan every single time because some of use at least, have a sense of morality, and I wouldn't use the word "your people" unless you want to go in that direction. This isn't just a western view but a world view, to not sexualise children because it's morally wrong and just because it may be considered the norm in japan doesn't mean we can't judge it based on our own western "civilised" viewpoints. There is also more than just this sprite and the original I don't like, for one thing placing children in the angel mort outfits which "are" sexualised. That's the entire point of those outfits so you can't say that wasn't the intent, similar to how the original nude sprite was... sexualisation, but I guess that's up for debate.


Anime little girls/lolis AREN'T real life little girls, they were never intended to be realistic to begin with.


So what with sexualizing an anime girl ? Still would look nothing like a real one.

[Levani]

Who hasn't seen stuff like this before, but that doesn't mean we become ok to the fact it happens. We bitch and moan every single time because some of use at least, have a sense of morality, and I wouldn't use the word "your people" unless you want to go in that direction. This isn't just a western view but a world view, to not sexualise children because it's morally wrong and just because it may be considered the norm in japan doesn't mean we can't judge it based on our own western "civilised" viewpoints. There is also more than just this sprite and the original I don't like, for one thing placing children in the angel mort outfits which "are" sexualised. That's the entire point of those outfits so you can't say that wasn't the intent, similar to how the original nude sprite was... sexualisation, but I guess that's up for debate.

Lol, nobody is denying that there are tons of sexualization in Higurashi and in Animes in general.

But no, you can't judge Japanese media from western point of view.

And Japanese aren't okay with child sexualization they just don't give a single fuck about it in a JPN Anime media. Because it's just that, an anime media, fictional cartoons.

[Lawfer]

The japanese can release whatever they want (they are already doing it, so its not like they need the approval of non-japanese), but one of the reasons why we arent getting more visual novels is because imagine if for a frivolous thing such as an 640x480 naked hamfist character get such outrage from some westerners, what would it be if it was really about some actual "revolting" content from a western point of view (and there is a ton of that, if you are willing to browse through vndb)?

Of course the japanese VN developers appreciate their own creative feedomz and they realize that they can enjoy such freedom simply by keeping their work restricted to their own territory (07th Expansion who doesnt mind that their work is translated, tweaked and published outside of Japan is an exception, but most other japanese developers want nothing of the sort to happen).


How many time to I have to tell you that that happed only because Alchemist's games are on consoles? Don't use that as an argument.

True, its a different kind of audience, when you release a VN on PC people expect an Eroge, when you release it on a console they expect a Galge.

Take for example Liarsoft and Key games, their games obviously have no use for sex scenes in their stories, yet in Inganock, Sharnoth, Air, Kanon and so on, they added sex scenes here and there for no particular reason aside from releasing PC games to the audience that EXPECT 18+ Eroges.

While on Sony consoles, 18+ content and 18+ related content is not allowed (SEGA and NEC allowed Hentais on their consoles.)

[Levani]

Defend? Lol, defend? Is that what you think I'm doing? I don't give a single crap about naked Satoko. I'm pissed at the bullshit reasons you are complaining about. That's what I'm doing.

[GuppyForce]

The towel sprite in particular looks like it has the body of a 16-18 year old (more or less) and is posed like it's doing a striptease! For Pete's sake, if you look at the position of her legs, she looks like a pin-up model! They're just being gross now!

I just went for a shower and tried holding up a towel in a similar position. It feels like a totally natural pose for someone who is slightly disoriented and extremely fearful. How on earth does it possibly look like someone doing a striptease? Also, with regards to the "body of a 16-18 year old" part, wouldn't that make it better since for drawn characters it's the body type that really matters. If she looks like a 16-18 year old to you, it doesn't make sense to talk about them sexualising a child since ages in drawn images are very arbitrary. You seem like the kind of person who would attack an image of a sexualised childlike body who is "actually several hundred years old", so saying that she looks like an older teen kinda weakens your argument. Nevertheless, I still don't find the sprite to be sexually charged, much less to the extent that it should be attacked on that basis.

[chaos_alfa]

I just retracted my comment about the hands before you posted your comment, chaos_alfa. I thought about that, too. I would also like to make it a point that the original towel sprite isn't credible due to the fact that it contradicts the written text in the visual novel (nothing against you, just saying).

I understand. As long as it doesn't become personal and we can keep the discussion reasonable I don't mind :)

I can't say much about the text contradicting the depiction of Satoko, because I don't remember that contradiction, but isn't there a change that the contradiction is miss-translation? It is also possible that MangaGamer will change the text in the Steam version to remove the contradiction.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I understand. As long as it doesn't become personal and we can keep the discussion reasonable I don't mind :)

I can't say much about the text contradicting the depiction of Satoko, because I don't remember that contradiction, but isn't there a change that the contradiction is miss-translation? It is also possible that MangaGamer will change the text in the Steam version to remove the contradiction.

That makes me think. I just checked the french tl after reading your message, and indeed, it is said that Kei wrapped her with the towel, then held her until they arrived to Irie's place.

It is NEVER said how she was holding the towel.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Yes. The English version does the same. It mentions that the towel is wrapped around her but never says anything about the towel coming undone or anything like that.


He just wrapped Satoko while holding her. She then gets to walk by herself. Considering her mental state, both works, not like Kei would have said "huuum, the towel has been unwrapped and she's just half holding it now, 10/10, would bang". Adding the fact he didn't even care when she lost the towel.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I see what you're saying, but I don't think it was right for Ryukishi to just draw the sprite the way he did without any explanation if he really wanted her to be like that. That's just bad writing. As far as I'm concerned, she shouldn't be that exposed.


It's not. Seeing Kei making comments about the way Satoko is holding her towel is useless, especially when the sprite talks about itself, that like adding a "rena said" at the end of a sentence.

Also, he didn't care about that the slightest, as he just said he didn't give a fuck when the whole towel felt.

[chaos_alfa]

Oh my freaking goodness, if they know the sprite is contradictory and change the text to justify a sprite they know is unnecessarily sexualized rather than change the sprite (as numerous people have requested), there is going to be hell to pay! I know this is just a hypothetical (interestingly enough, I've imagined this scenario, too), but that would be so infuriating. :p

I wouldn't say removing the contradiction because it is a contradiction would have anything to do with if Satoko is or is not sexualized. Those two reason are not mutually exclusive.

The difficult thing about sexualization is that it is a subjective experience. This makes it difficult to judge. Like I have stated earlier for example, I don't see the original naked sprite of Satoko or her towel sprite as being sexualized. I just see a sprite of a naked child in distress. Nakedness doesn't always equals sexualization.

On the other hand I do think Kurosaki's version of the towel sprite is a bit sexualized. The reason for this is because his version is more curvy compared to the original, making her assets more pronounced.

Personally I still don't have a big problem with it, because the sexualization isn't very strong. It even get negated when the bruises are added and I wouldn't be surprised if MangaGamer is going to add those. We know that they are currently making some changes to the sprites.

[TW25]

Surely her mental state isn't so bad that she wouldn't think to cover herself more. We can tell that she's recovered her senses.

You may want to rethink this because it makes it sound like you don't even know what Higurashi is.

"Surely her mental state isn't so bad"? Try revisiting literally any of the Kai arcs.

[chaos_alfa]

I just meant that if they're going to eliminate one contradiction, they might as well make the change that makes them seem less perverted. Keeping her excessively naked just for the sake of it makes no sense (same for the original VN).

I wouldn't say the sprite is perverted enough for it to need to be removed.

I think the reason for Satoko to be naked in that scene is to show her vulnerability and to make the scene uncomfortable. It created a situation which highlights her state of mind. I think if Satoko was clothed the scene would have lost much of its emotional intensity.

[chaos_alfa]

I disagree. The manga did a very nice job depicting her suffering without showing extra skin. There doesn't seem to be a real need for nudity. Even the anime version has its merits. I once read a comment on a blog with an opinion opposite to yours, too. That person said the Alchemist version is better emotionally because of the lack of nudity. The nudity in the original VN is uncomfortable all right, but for the wrong reasons. :heh:

Now that I'm thinking about it again. Maybe the same effect can be achieved with the towel totally wrapped around her. For some reason I was thinking of a totally clothed Satoko, while you never argued for that.

But I'm not yet convinced it is necessary to change the sprites on just those grounds.

Mainly, it just doesn't make sense to draw a revealing towel sprite. It is said that the towel is supposed to be wrapped around her, it is never mentioned that she lets the towel come undone, and I can't see her consciously walking around the village with her backside exposed.

The way TheGuraGuraMan explains it seems that the text isn't contradicting the sprite. It is just something which isn't explicitly stated in the text, but is also not denied. Writers often let the reader infer thinks form text even-though it isn't explicitly stated. I would think it is the same case with the scene in question. The sprite and text just offer some room for the reader to fill in what has happened to get to that situation. Using this technique a writer can skip actions and details which he find unnecessary to state outright. It also offer the reader to ability to make the story more personal or relatable by being able to choose how something looks, works, happened etc. using their own ideas.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411819542-rena-si-def-compare.png
An improved version of the Rena default expression sprites comparison (MG's doesn't have the text on it anymore, and Kizuna is fully accurate now).

[xPearse]

How do I exactly uncompress the games nscript, and how exactly does onscripter fit into things. I know you can load the game through it, and change the text speed and scrolling but does it have anything to do with editing the games text. I didn't see anything like that on unclemion so can I get some help here.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

How do I exactly uncompress the games nscript


By using the Onscripter tools available on unclemion's website.

and how exactly does onscripter fit into things

Wait what ?

[xPearse]

Yea, but I don't see any documentation on how to do so. And it's not like I'm knowledgeable about onscripter or anything like that so care to explain. I did manage to load the game using it but what do I from there.

[Levani]

You guys should continue talking about that in PM. It's super off-topic.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Dumping the wip of Kizuna Hanyu's casual clothes sprite.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411847553-hanyu-kizuna-casual-wip.png

Along with a preview of her school one :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411848124-hanyu-kizuna-school.png
And of the deity clothes :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411848135-hanyu-kizuna-miko.png
(I changed myself the color of the suit to make it like the vanilla edition)

[Levani]

Looks really nice, great job.

[xPearse]

You guys should continue talking about that in PM. It's super off-topic.

Don't worry, I just sent him a pm.

Dumping the wip of Kizuna Hanyu's casual clothes sprite. And of the deity clothes : Along with a preview of her school one :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411847553-hanyu-kizuna-casual-wip.pnghttp://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411848124-hanyu-kizuna-school.pnghttp://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411848135-hanyu-kizuna-miko.png
(I changed myself the color of the suit to make it like the vanilla edition)

They look great, nice job.

[GrAVit]

Dumping the wip of Kizuna Hanyu's casual clothes sprite.
Along with a preview of her school one
And of the deity clothes
(I changed myself the color of the suit to make it like the vanilla edition)

Damn man, that's かわいい！
She's my favourite character (if you already hadn't figured that out lol) so I appreciate it. Also, can't wait to see Mangagamer's version, I hope they won't screw it up.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Thank you for shopping with us. We’ll send a confirmation once your item "Higurashi Kizuna 4 limited edition" has shipped
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411926341-1411925863909.jpg





SOON
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/39/1411926385-1411926051652.png

[GrAVit]

Damn, that's awesome. I really want Kizuna localized. I would insta-buy it.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Damn, that's awesome. I really want Kizuna localized. I would insta-buy it.

Sadly, that most probably won't happen. The best way would certainly have been to make a deal with Alchemist to post Kizuna on Steam, but MG didn't seems to care.

This least, the artbook in this limited edition will get me a lot of Kizuna references, like, in the screenshot, Rena's action pose sprites. There should also have the Kizuna CGs, and illustrations that are most probably impossible to find otherwise (saw many "sample" Alchemist illustrations on the net that were just in low quality, maybe they're in the data book).

[Levani]

Sadly, that most probably won't happen. The best way would certainly have been to make a deal with Alchemist to post Kizuna on Steam, but MG didn't seems to care.

I don't think it's that easy for someone like MangaGamer to approach Alchemist to localize Kizuna and have it on steam. Even if such crazy idea could work, visual novels aren't popular in America and they barely make a profit. MangaGamer releases porn work because those kind of stuff sell more than quality works, unfortunately.

For MangaGamer to approach Alchemist and localize the DS version, first they would need to pay extra money to the company itself, then to a new translator and a coder who can port a DS game to PC. Or release Kizuna on DS at 2014 on a dead console.

I want it too, believe me, but at this point there is a zero possibility. MangaGamer can't profit from such an expensive localization. PC games are very different from console games.

And the sad truth is that even if it gets localized, not many people will buy it. Higurashi is already a dead franchise and there are really a few of us. It's not a popular work either. We are not enough to give MG profit for the amount of money they would need to pay to get this game over here.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Is that other outfit supposed to be something she supposedly wore back in Ibaraki but wasn't seen wearing in Hinamizawa (it looks like there might even be another one in the bottom right in white)?

This sprite was used in Tokihogushi-hen :
http://whentheycry.wikia.com/wiki/Tokihogushi-hen

The other (you mean in the CG with the bat right ?) was for the flashback when she broke the windows in the first arc.

[xPearse]

Wow, is there other costumes for the characters in Kizuna? I'm really interested in that prospect. Also localization of Kizuna will never happen, why would they port to PC (In a foreign country) if it was never done in Japan. It's like thinking someone would bring over any Evangelion game, it would just never happen. And the Japanese company would probably roll their eyes at an American company even suggesting that, same thing about officially getting the PS2 sprites in the steam release.

[GrAVit]

Sadly, that most probably won't happen. The best way would certainly have been to make a deal with Alchemist to post Kizuna on Steam, but MG didn't seems to care.

This least, the artbook in this limited edition will get me a lot of Kizuna references, like, in the screenshot, Rena's action pose sprites. There should also have the Kizuna CGs, and illustrations that are most probably impossible to find otherwise (saw many "sample" Alchemist illustrations on the net that were just in low quality, maybe they're in the data book).

Well, I like to dream of it at the very least. I think I'd get a heart attack if someone announced a Kizuna localization coming in the near future.

I really hope this series' community won't die out completely. It is my favourite series, after all. And I hope Ryukishi will keep making new content for it, although it doesn't seem that likely at the moment, perhaps.

[Mr. Dent]

I really hope this series' community won't die out completely. It is my favourite series, after all. And I hope Ryukishi will keep making new content for it, although it doesn't seem that likely at the moment, perhaps.

I hope so too. I don't understand why Ryukishi's popularity has evaporated as much as it has, it's really saddening. I really want to blame DEEN, but, in all honestly, the Higurashi anime is what created most of the fan base... Hopefully, one day, a competent anime studio will remake Higurashi, and we'll see more content, but not much for a 07th Fan to do in the meantime.

[einhorn303]

I hope so too. I don't understand why Ryukishi's popularity has evaporated as much as it has, it's really saddening. I really want to blame DEEN, but, in all honestly, the Higurashi anime is what created most of the fan base... Hopefully, one day, a competent anime studio will remake Higurashi, and we'll see more content, but not much for a 07th Fan to do in the meantime.

I think Ryukishi's newer work has been more challenging for the average Japanese VN reader. Higurashi was primarily focused on cute young girl characters, and has an emotional focus. Umineko has a greater focus on adult characters, and has a more intellectual focus. It's still very emotional, of course, but comparatively. And then there's stuff like Rose Guns Days, which expresses lots of political viewpoints and criticizes the character of the Japanese people.

I'm fine with Ryukishi's stuff remaining as a doujin work, though. I don't need to see anime adaptions (I actually haven't seen all of the Kai anime yet), console ports, etc. As long as the English fan translations continue, that is!

And while I think 07th Expansion might be less popular in Japan for the reasons mentioned above, I think it might be getting even more popular in the English-speaking world.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I hope so too. I don't understand why Ryukishi's popularity has evaporated as much as it has, it's really saddening. I really want to blame DEEN, but, in all honestly, the Higurashi anime is what created most of the fan base... Hopefully, one day, a competent anime studio will remake Higurashi, and we'll see more content, but not much for a 07th Fan to do in the meantime.


Well, the fact that the SN managed to be accepted on Steam proves that there is still a good community to back up the game.

Adding that the game will certainly be more well known after the release of Onikakushi on Steam.

[Levani]

You can't blame people. The stuff DEEN has released in recent years damaged Higurashi's reputation greatly. Ask someone if they know about it and they'll respond - Oh that hentai anime with two green haired twin psychos?

Well, the fact that the SN managed to be accepted on Steam proves that there is still a good community to back up the game.

Adding that the game will certainly be more well known after the release of Onikakushi on Steam.

I don't know... Higurashi isn't mainstream and it's also a niche thing inside niche JP media. It would be hard for Steam gamers to show an interest towards a game with zero hours of gameplay, with not even routes.

There's also a trend in US that reviewers call JP games gore-porn. That's what Corpse Party was labeled as. Don't want Higurashi to get the same treatment...

[xPearse]

Anyone got an idea on what they're gonna charge each arc on steam for?

[Lawfer]

And the sad truth is that even if it gets localized, not many people will buy it. Higurashi is already a dead franchise and there are really a few of us. It's not a popular work either.

I would have to disagree, the When They Cry series is very popular, how can you say they arent?

Consoles and handheld remakes, manga adaptation, anime adaptation, Yen Press is publishing right now the manga of both When they Cry series (Higurashi and Umineko), Geneon published the first season of Higurashi anime in the US dubbed in english, Nippon Ichi Software of America published the Umineko anime in the US with english subtitles, Mangagamer releases the Higurashi VN digitally and in hard copy and then years later are retranslating it and having new sprites comissioned for that retranslation. And so on.

For a non-popular work, the When They Cry franchise seem to gather alot of attention even years after their original PC releases.

What isnt popular in the West are visual novels themselves. Light novels are also not popular in the West (save for 1 or 2 exceptions here and there, every attempt at publishing a Light Novel wether it be in english or french ended up in a cancellation after 2-3 volumes, because only very few people were buying them, unlike mangas and animes, Yen Press seem to be pretty much the only publisher who picked up Light Novels and didnt cancel each series after a couple volumes.)

[Levani]

Higurashi is definitely more popular in Umineko but even so, not a lot of people know about either of them. While Higurashi did well in Japan, Umineko didn't. Anime was canceled, PSP port was canceled... etc. When They Cry definitely WAS popular but now, it isn't. Not only in the west, Japan has been making fun of Ryu and his new Higurashi VN too. The era of Ryukishi is ending or already over. The only thing that can save him now is another When they Cry.

[Lawfer]

Umineko wasnt as popular as Higurashi of course I am well aware, the anime was broadcasted in Japan censored with mosaic on every dead body and the anime was pretty much a failure (unlike Higurashi anime adapation, Studio Deen failed at adapting Umineko in anime format). But you should also mention that Umineko still was popular enough to get a complete remake on Playstation 3 (come on Alchemist built this game completly from the ground up, the only thing that was kept was the story/script, so it couldnt have been a cheap endavour) in two games the Question Arcs and Answer Arcs released between the very end of 2011 and early to mid 2012, I think? It also got a manga adaption that span for 30 volumes or so.

On the other hand Higanbana and ROSE GUNS DAYS are quite unknown (especially Higanbana).

Also there was the very obscure Ookami Kakushi, it got a PSP visual novel game a very short manga and an anime of 12 episodes or so, after that it was completly forgotten.

[Levani]

(come on Alchemist built this game completly from the ground up, the only thing that was kept was the story/script, so it couldnt have been a cheap endavour)

Didn't sell well :( I know, it's really sad and frustrating.

[Lawfer]

Not only in the west, Japan has been making fun of Ryu and his new Higurashi VN too.

You mean the one released back in August 2014?

[Lawfer]

Didn't sell well :( I know, it's really sad and frustrating.

Oh there was also three fighting games based on Umineko (two on PC and one on Xbox 360).

[Levani]

You mean the one released back in August 2014?

When Higurashi Hou was announced I was trying desperately to read the comments with my current level of Japanese, with a help of my friend, we translated some and the reception wasn't good. Now I admit that I only checked one site but there were a lot of comments in similar hostile matter.

[Captain Bluebeard]

I think the main reason for the decrease in Ryu's popularity was Umineko's ending. It left many people disappointed. And also the outrageous anime.

And about Hou, well, it's not like I can't see the reason why it would make people sceptical. Just think about Rei's Batsukoishi-hen. Higurashi has been milked way past its potential.

[TW25]

It seems to me like you guys want 07th Expansion to be a global entity or super huge phenomenon, but that's simply never going to happen. Ryuukishi himself has said that his works were never intended to be as popular as Higurashi happened to become. At 07th Expansion's heart, they are a doujin group and they don't want to be anything else. They've never tried to be anything larger than that and they never ever will.

Also, Higurashi Hou is a legitimate entry in the series just like Rei. People make fun of things, but that means literally nothing. I don't know a single fan of 07th Expansion who didn't like it. I can't imagine a single true fan of Higurashi not liking it either. Remember that people can say and call themselves whatever they want, but a fan of Higurashi is someone who enjoys it for what it is; not someone who enjoys it for what they want it to be.

The purpose of this thread isn't to argue what it means to be a fan, but I'd be willing to bet that people that don't like Kamikanshi-hen were mistaken about what Higurashi was to begin with and didn't pay much attention to what was going on.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Shion with her casual clothes is out :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412058587-si-si-ha-a1.png

Alright, this one looks pretty great, I was waiting for it, and surprisingly I'm not disappointed at all, I always preferred her vanilla suit over Alchemist's. Don't even feel like trying to fix something, I'll just make a sprite comparison as usual later.

[chaos_alfa]

Shion with her casual clothes is out :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412058587-si-si-ha-a1.png

Alright, this one looks pretty great, I was waiting for it, and surprisingly I'm not disappointed at all, I always preferred her vanilla suit over Alchemist's. Don't even feel like trying to fix something, I'll just make a sprite comparison as usual later.

Overall it looks good, but personally I'm more a fan of clothes following the rules of gravity rather than ignore it just to emphasize the breasts of its wearer. It seems pointless to me if titillation is not the intent of the work and it goes against the design of the original sprites.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140720235734/whentheycry/images/6/67/Shi_pc_cas.png

How did Kurosaki react when he was approached to do the new sprites for Higurashi? Is he a fan of the series? Of course Kurosaki knew about the series, but he was worried if his art style would fit the taste of the Western Fans.
We had to convince him a bit because we really liked his art style, and we hope that people will become a fan of his work through playing the new Higurashi series as well.

It seems even Kurosaki was aware that not everyone in the west would like his art style, but MangaGamer still went through with it -_-


I will probably have an easier time getting accustomed to the new sprites when I encounter them in the visual novel context, looking at them without it make their flaws look bigger to me.


EDIT:
At the moment, making the swapping sprites feature was considered, but for various reasons, it may have to be scrapped.

*Since the game is still in the development stage, please also note that the answer given out now and the final product may vary.
Source: http://forums.mangagamer.org/viewtopic.php?p=10115#p10115

This doesn't sound good :(


EDIT2:
Sent: Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:29 am
From: evospace
To: Chaos_Alfa

This is actually an "unofficial" feature where people can swap character arts if they wanted to and knew what they are doing, but we won't be annoucing/supporting/saying anything about it on our end. It'll be cool if you can treat it as such.
It seems it was always intended to only be able to use the original sprites through modding.

I do get the impression that Doddler's intention seems to be to try to add the feature natively. I could be wrong of course.

For example this quote would otherwise not make much sense. He would rather have answered with something like "It will be only new,".
You can't sell a feature which can only be gotten through modding.
Will higurashi have original+new or original+ps2+new sprites?
It will be original + new, we weren't able to get rights to use the ps2 assets, which is the main reason we contracted new character art.


There is also the change that like evospace said they are trying to incorporate it, but it will fall through in the end.


EDIT3: It seems I forgot that the intent of MangaGamer is to release two versions of Higurashi. One Steam version with the update translation and new sprites and a non Steam version with the update translation and the orignal sprites. Doddler probably referred to that in the quote.

[Levani]

Uhh, they mean that they are going to release two seperate Higurashis with different art-style. Though in-game switch is a nice feature.

[chaos_alfa]

Uhh, they mean that they are going to release two seperate Higurashis with different art-style. So in-game switch is a nice feature.

Yeah, you're right. I forgot that part.

[Levani]

I really like that Shion but the hand is a bit awkward, I mean the pose xD

Shion has two poses if I remember correctly right?

[xPearse]

That Shion sprite looks great, no complaints from me. I really want to see what the rest of the outfits will look like, although it's too bad you can't switch art style even though that was a major selling point.

[GrAVit]

The Shion sprite looks good, although maybe the line on her right fore-arm's bend could be a bit thinner? It sort of stands out for me.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Here you go with the sprites comparison of Shion in her casual clothes :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412105211-shion-casual-comparison.png

[Levani]

Does anyone know why Alchemist changed Shion's casual clothes?

[TheGuraGuraMan]

And again, Takano treatment really does suprises me when I see Shion's sprite : why make her that flat when her breasts are supposed to be like ShMion's in the vanilla ? Shouldn't she have ones more like that considering the others characters looks ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412109964-takano-fix.png

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Mangagamer posted the sprite of Rika with her school uniform (and cat accessories) :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412116839-ri-nk-wa-a1.png


Already saw it in the previews, but I'll say it again : what the fuck with the length of her skirt.


On the other hand, this expression somehow looks way better than the stupid smile we saw in the screenshot back then.

[Mr. Dent]

Mangagamer posted the sprite of Rika with her school uniform (and cat accessories) :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412116839-ri-nk-wa-a1.png


Already saw it in the previews, but I'll say it again : what the fuck with the length of her skirt.


On the other hand, this expression somehow looks way better than the stupid smile we saw in the screenshot back then.

Well, didn't MangaGamer say they were looking into fixing complaints with the sprites? I hope the expression is one of those planned changes... And the skirt. As someone who actually likes the new sprites, I gotta agree, the skirt is ridiculous. I didn't notice how bad it was before, with the dress.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Oh well, ended up doing the sprites comparison for it too :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412119098-rika-nekomimi-sprite-comparison.png

[GrAVit]

Looks fine otherwise, aside from the errors you pointed out earlier on, that is.
But seriously, what's up with that skirt length? lol

[xPearse]

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412116839-ri-nk-wa-a1.png
And the only thing people complains bout is the skirt? I mean seriously, look at her hips, waist and legs. She's got the Rena syndrome, unrealistic legs proportions (Maybe its just me) drawn asif the sprite was seen from a lower perspective. Other than that and the very short skirt, it looks good but way too moe.

Does anyone know why Alchemist changed Shion's casual clothes?
I'd also like to know the answer, if there is one. And what was up with the small edits and changes they made to a lot of the designs, I do like them but why would they remove Mion's airsoft pistol. I doubt its anything to with the fact it was on the PS2.

[Levani]

Can someone ask MG about the possibility of Umineko localization? It would be interesting to see their reply even if they say no.

[chaos_alfa]

Can someone ask MG about the possibility of Umineko localization? It would be interesting to see their reply even if they say no.

If have seen that question already asked to them once before. It seemed they where open to the possibility if it would look to be profitable. I think it will depend on if Higurashi sells enough I assume.

You can probably find the question if you look through MangaGamers ask.fm or their Tumblr.

[GrAVit]

Yeah, the legs do look a bit long. She also looks like she isn't wearing socks. Shouldn't we be able to see socks in this picture? And is her right leg (our left) broken?

There seems to be a pattern with the skirts mysteriously getting shorter with these new sprites. Why do this?

I really hope they are taking suggestions for edits.

I think the legs look primary so long because of the short skirt. Her leg's just a bit bent, although it looks slightly odd, maybe.

Fortunately, MangaGamer did say that they're listening to our feedback, which is great to hear.

[xPearse]

Well, I didn't mean her legs were too long. Just draw a straight line upward from her thighs and you'll see what I mean, they extend far past the realm of human anatomy. Then again, you could say art style but Rika's legs look extremely bloated.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Well, I didn't mean her legs were too long. Just draw a straight line upward from her thighs and you'll see what I mean, they extend far past the realm of human anatomy. Then again, you could say art style but Rika's legs look extremely bloated.

To be fair, we won't see them ingame anyway.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Got to adapt other references, Kizuna Takano shouting and Kizuna Akane with her default expression.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412168915-takano-oko.png
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412168919-akane-def-kizuna.png

[Levani]

I love Kizuna Takano...

[WarriorKK]

Does anyone know why Alchemist changed Shion's casual clothes?
It's summer.
Normally, it's too hot for her original one.
You think what that shirt is made from? Wool, right?

[TheGuraGuraMan]

It's summer.
Normally, it's too hot for her original one.
You think what that shirt is made from? Wool, right?



Oh, seems legit indeed, I guess it was the same for Takano's clothes.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Btw, I suppose I wasn't the only one that saw the cut part of the Shion AM sprite on the left ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412191215-bup-0439.png

Well, fixed it :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412191283-shion-am-kizuna.png

[xPearse]

Unsure where this should belong but I'll just drop it here, at the 6:35 mark you should see some new animation made for the pinball machine for a few minutes. I saw a post or two about it in another thread here, and a mention of Yoigoshi so if your interested you'll find that part in this video. Does anyone have also any other info on the pinball machine, and or if any other animation was drawn for it because I'm really curious.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Q8Agq-MXs

[Mr. Dent]

So, not sure if this is news or something cool or something mundane that I'm mistaking for news, but 07th Expansion's twitter has been posting pictures (http://t.co/EGQ7WNZrG7) of what appears (I hope,) to be a new VN (https://mobile.twitter.com/07th_official/status/516559727325483009), something Google Translate has been calling "07th Theater," which seems to be a crossover between Higurashi, Umineko, Higanbana, and Rose Guns Days. ...if I'm totally mistaken, I apologize. If I'm right, I'm more excited than words can adequately emote.

[WarriorKK]

Unsure where this should belong but I'll just drop it here, at the 6:35 mark you should see some new animation made for the pinball machine for a few minutes. I saw a post or two about it in another thread here, and a mention of Yoigoshi so if your interested you'll find that part in this video. Does anyone have also any other info on the pinball machine, and or if any other animation was drawn for it because I'm really curious.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Q8Agq-MXs
It's called Pachinko, a lottery machine.

As I know, not only those arcs on that clip but also eight main arcs have lots of additional scenes (for two results, "right" or "wrong"), just as you see. Of course, that Yoigoshi has a "bad ending" scence as well.

I'm still looking for a collection like that for the main arcs, but... ( 。-_- 。)

[xPearse]

It's called Pachinko, a lottery machine.

As I know, not only those arcs on that clip but also eight main arcs have lots of additional scenes (for two results, "right" or "wrong"), just as you see. Of course, that Yoigoshi has a "bad ending" scence as well.

I'm still looking for a collection like that for the main arcs, but... ( 。-_- 。)
Of course I know what a pachinko machine is, but it's sure interesting to note that they drew new animation drawn for it. I do wonder what exactly the new clips are though, and that pachinko machine looks crazy when it's fired up.

The 07th Theater, character who is 07th, raid on other worlds? ! It is a work, such like. Specific barrier of Keiichi "" Higurashi "is whether lead in the world of" black-tailed gull "? Now, the battle of the century begins! ! It has become a fun piece, such a festival like worthy of the name of a 07th party "basis. (Dragon)
Interesting, I do wonder what they're cooking up. Would this be a new game?

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Of course I know what a pachinko machine is, but it's sure interesting to note that they drew new animation drawn for it. I do wonder what exactly the new clips are though, and that pachinko machine looks crazy when it's fired up.


Interesting, I do wonder what they're cooking up. Would this be a new game?



That's how much they're popular in Japan, they also made a Pachinko Slot Matsuri on ps2 with new illustrations (tough none of them were used again in Kizuna for some reasons).
http://cdn-static.gamekult.com/gamekult-com/images/photos/00/01/24/50/ME0001245096_2.jpg
http://cdn-static.gamekult.com/gamekult-com/images/photos/00/01/24/51/ME0001245101_2.jpg


Umineko also got one with animations of Chiru scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5G6qxMOBQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thWrWYl5jP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVOMIiqT4_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwjySQLrfI

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I am not a big fan of that art style, mainly because the inappropriate sprites of Satoko ruined it for me (yes, I know that's petty).

"The fact that we get so see a nude sprite in one chapter makes me totally hate the art style"

I don't even think calling you an idiot here would be appropriate at this point http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412254187-1411693692112.jpg







http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412254067-crossover1.png
Alright, NOW I'm interested in what the hell is going on in this scene.

[sona-nyl]

But Ryukishi doesn't even have the rights to the ps2/ds sprites. Why would he pay to use those when he has his own?

[Levani]

I know I'm an idiot. I hate that sprite way too much, but I guess I should be a little clearer about that last post. The art style is terrible, and the inappropriate sprite soiled Ryukishi's image for me. How about that?

Ryukishi was the one who also created the other stuff you like about Higurashi, but one misstep is enough for you to have a negative view on him? That's pretty harsh.

Alright, NOW I'm interested in what the hell is going on in this scene.

大人の女が怖いんでしょう？だから小さな子供に欲情しているんですね？　この変態 (Looking these kanji up took me 30 minutes, fuck... This language is so hard)
Otona no onna ga kowaindeshou? Dakara chisana kodomo ni yokujo shiteirundesune? Kono hentai.
And the english should be : You're afraid of adult women, right? That's why you lust over kids, right? You pervert.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I have a bad habit of overreacting to things.


There is a difference between overacting a bit for something and holding a grudge about it AND everything related to it.

it's like saying the ps2 sprites were shit because Akasaka's was terrible.

[Levani]

I updated my comment for you Gura. Looking up Kanji is harder than I thought but I did it! I'm quite proud of myself :D I can't wait to be at a much higher level where I can finally read VNs in peace.

[Observer1994]

And the english should be : You're afraid of adult women, right? That's why you lust over kids, right? You pervert.

LOL! Yes, Rose! Stick it to the sick pervert!

[GrAVit]

This is an interesting crossover. I guess I better start reading the other VNs as well, then. lol

[Levani]

Is Higurashi the only thing you have read/watched from JP media?

[Mr. Dent]

This is an interesting crossover. I guess I better start reading the other VNs as well, then. lol

You absolutely should! They're all great! Higurashi's fantastic, but so is Umineko (I love them both, but really prefer Umineko tbh.) And then Rose Guns Days is a totally under-appreciated gem, which easily stands just as strong as the When They Cry games. Higanbana's a different matter, and I'd actually recommend starting with that, because it's the shortest. Being a collection of short stories based on a lukewarm manga, it starts out kind of slow, but it really gets great in the Second Night!

Not EVERYTHING. The story is still good for the most part. And I never said I overreacted a bit. It just so happens that my grudge-holding mind won't let me forget it. I never liked Ryukishi's art style very much anyway.

...eh. I never really cared. The Satoko sprite was awkward and unnecessary, but not really traumatic, and there's absolutely no reason for you to hate Ryukishi's art solely for that. I mean, that's one scene in one chapter in one game- Does that mean Umineko and Higanbana's art is distracting to you? I like Ryukishi's art, and can understand why some wouldn't like it, but what is drawn using that art should never be considered a valid reason to dislike the art itself.

As for the Pachinko games, I kind of wish they'd release the extra animated bits on some sort of DVD or something, because there's really no way for a westerner to see much. All I've really seen have been the bits on YouTube. (Same goes for the Umineko machine.)

[Levani]

No. I don't know whether or not I already said this, but I only react this strongly when it comes to Satoko. Not that I approve of sexualized fanservice of child characters either way, though. That kind of thing is still creepy. Why is this even a thing?

Well, have it your way. I really recommend for you to step away from JP media, judging from the stuff you say, it's not for you because nearly everything has this kind of thing regardless of the age of the said character, with this being the most ridiculous one from them all :
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/1066503_o.gif


You absolutely should! They're all great! Higurashi's fantastic, but so is Umineko (I love them both, but really prefer Umineko tbh.)

I second this. I also prefer Umineko over Higurashi but both are fantastic and amazing.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

these kanji up took me 30 minutes, fuck... This language is so hard)
Otona no onna ga kowaindeshou? Dakara chisana kodomo ni yokujo shiteirundesune? Kono hentai.
And the english should be : You're afraid of adult women, right? That's why you lust over kids, right? You pervert.



Thanks http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412262891-avatar.png

[chaos_alfa]

Higanbana's a different matter, and I'd actually recommend starting with that, because it's the shortest. Being a collection of short stories based on a lukewarm manga, it starts out kind of slow, but it really gets great in the Second Night!

I was wondering should the Higanbana manga be read before the visual novel or after, or does the visual novel already tell the story of the manga?

[Levani]

From my experience, Higanbana manga is pretty boring. VN is a lot better.

And yeah, they tell the same story.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

From my experience, Higanbana manga is pretty boring. VN is a lot better.

And yeah, they tell the same story.


"boring"

Most like it's exaggerating everything, which makes the scenes too forced and stupid. The first story was passable at best, the second and third ones were more than terrible. Didn't bother trying to find the rest in raw. Because yes, the manga only have the first stories translated, not even half of the first night.





Also, for this crossover game, I want to see a scene with Satoko and Amakuza, seriously.

[Levani]

Lol, okay.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

It's just the Satoko sprite that, to me, seems particularly disrespectful (and like I said, it's only fanservice of Satoko that really bothers me).



Just admit already that she's your waifu and you just don't want anyone else to jerk off at her http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412265105-dedec2fe1f940258345d9412eb7ec8a1.jpg

[Mr. Dent]

I don't know what waifu means. I've seen that term before, but I don't know what it means. If you're saying that I think of her as my fantasy wife, then that is absolutely not true, just so you know.

He was clearly joking. Also, you protest a bit too much for comfort, I'm afraid. I'm not saying I think Satoko really is your waifu, but the way you denied knowing what a waifu was, denied having her as your waifu, and then went on a rant firmly stating you'd rather see her tortured to death than naked was awfully sus. (Just to clarify, I'm teasing you. I disagree with you, but don't actually think you want Satoko to be your bae.)

"boring"

Most like it's exaggerating everything, which makes the scenes too forced and stupid. The first story was passable at best, the second and third ones were more than terrible. Didn't bother trying to find the rest in raw. Because yes, the manga only have the first stories translated, not even half of the first night.

This exactly. The manga is so obsessed with being the most violent, scary, subversive, and disturbing thing ever printed that it ends up being just overripe, trite, and all-around laughable. The VN dials everything back so that it's an enjoyable read, and focusing more on atmosphere than "WOAAAH BE SCARED SHITLESS YO." The manga is terrible, but the VN is pretty excellent. It wouldn't surprise me if the manga version's absurdity was wanted by the magazine editors or artist, so Ryukishi wrote the visual novel to tell the version of the story he wanted to.

Also, for this crossover game, I want to see a scene with Satoko and Amakuza, seriously.

"Weren't you that guy who-"
"Never seen you before, sorry. Hey, Miss Ange, let's get out of here."

[Mr. Dent]

I actually think this crossover thing sounds interesting, even though Higurashi and Umineko are the only ones I know about. I think there's already a Higurashi/Umineko crossover manga, but I think it's comical rather than serious. Will this new crossover be serious or silly, or is it too early to tell (if it's official, anyway). If this is going to be exclusive to a VN that will only be sold in Japan, though, it won't make much of a difference to me. I hope that this and the Kamikanshi story become available in some form (more Higurashi anime plz). It would be nice to be able to experience these new stories.

The Higurashi/Umineko was silly but kind of rubbish (dunno if Ryukishi actually wrote it). From what I've seen, this crossover seems to be sort of mixed in tone, with some screenshots looking silly, and some looking legitimately interesting. Ryukishi described it as being "fun," but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't have serious moments. I do know that there will probably be some sort of mystery, as there are screenshots of Battler using the Blue Truth in the hallways of Higanbana's elementary school.

Also, I'd recommend checking out Higanbana or Rose Guns Days first, as this crossover looks to be as much about them as Higurashi and Umineko.

Also, it's highly unlikely that this will have an anime, since neither Higanbana nor RGD have anime. However, if you'd like to check out Rose Guns Days, but don't have the time for the Visual Novel, you can check out it's excellent manga adaptation. Unfortunately, if you wanna check out Higanbana, I can't, in good conscious, recommend the manga. If you think Satoko's sprites are disturbing and unnecessary sexualization, you haven't read the Higanbana manga, and probably shouldn't.

[xPearse]

Higanbana sound too much like boogie pop phantom, and Rose gun days gives me big cowboy bebop vibes, but in a good way. Are there any connections or relations between them because I'd like to think so, who knows, maybe R07 is secretly a mega fan. Anyhow, would I like either since I liked boogie pop and cowboy bebop because I really want to know as both interest me.

[Mr. Dent]

Higanbana sound too much like boogie pop phantom, and Rose gun days gives me big cowboy bebop vibes, but in a good way. Are there any connections or relations between them because I'd like to think so, who knows, maybe R07 is secretly a mega fan. Anyhow, would I like either since I liked boogie pop and cowboy bebop because I really want to know as both interest me.

Higanbana has no connection to Boogiepop Phantom, but Rose Guns Days is inspired by Bebop a little bit. The main character, Leo, is a lot like Spike, and the OP (http://youtu.be/6X9GVPZ69aA) pays homage to the classic TANK! OP (http://youtu.be/Aw3fN3OPk3A). However, RGD's plot has no resemblance to Bebop's, and I assume all the particular similarities are just homages.

[einhorn303]

I might be wrong, but from Ryu's tweet it seemed like the crossover was going to be a video "shown" at the 07th Expansion Party, not a whole new game. I think they mentioned that there was already a Part 1 from the previous events, and they'd be showing it alongside a new Part 2?

Either way, I love Higanbana and Rose Guns Days (and of course Umineko!) I actually like Higanbana even more than the answer arcs of Higurashi (though not as much as Kai). Any fan of Higurashi owes it to themselves to check the rest out.

[Mr. Dent]

I might be wrong, but from Ryu's tweet it seemed like the crossover was going to be a video "shown" at the 07th Expansion Party, not a whole new game. I think they mentioned that there was already a Part 1 from the previous events, and they'd be showing it alongside a new Part 2?

Either way, I love Higanbana and Rose Guns Days (and of course Umineko!) I actually like Higanbana even more than the answer arcs of Higurashi (though not as much as Kai). Any fan of Higurashi owes it to themselves to check the rest out.

Drat. Is there any way to find the videos online? Probably not, huh. I've heard a lot about the 07th Expansion Parties, and seen cosplay photos and merch, but don't really know what they are... (Also, kinda bummed it's not a real thing. Honestly, a crossover fandisc would be pretty fantastic, and a good way to introduce new fans... Sigh... Well, at least there's the Sci-Fi WTC, whenever that comes out.)



And MangaGamer brings us spooky PE Rena sprites.
http://photo4.ask.fm/100/691/435/910003005-1s3h11e-6pdthh10hr8ooda/original/re_ta_him_a1.png

[Observer1994]

And MangaGamer brings us spooky PE Rena sprites.
http://photo4.ask.fm/100/691/435/910003005-1s3h11e-6pdthh10hr8ooda/original/re_ta_him_a1.png

I don't think people can really complain about the breast focus in the PE uniform though, given the PC sprite for example.

http://i.imgur.com/7MF2Q1g.png

[Mr. Dent]

I just saw this part of your comment.

Don't worry. My only strong emotional attachment is to Higurashi. If I can handle Kill la Kill, I'm sure I can handle this.

Not when the artist sexualized actual pedophilia and child rape. Trust me, it's not worth it. It'll go straight from " WHAT MONSTER WOULD DO THIS TO CHILDREN-" to a fucking fanservice shot of said child. The manga's just kind of bad. It only covers the First Night anyway. So, it's not even a complete story. And then, to make it even less complete, only the first two stories are even translated. Skip it, check out the VN.

If you wanna check out Rose Guns Days' manga, that's actually fantastic, though.

[GrAVit]

So this is a bit late, but to clarify, they answered my question about what other new things there are aside from the translation and sprites. Not much, apart from porting it to a new engine.

http://ask.fm/MangaGamerStaff/answer/117523884274

[WarriorKK]

That's how much they're popular in Japan, they also made a Pachinko Slot Matsuri on ps2 with new illustrations (tough none of them were used again in Kizuna for some reasons).
http://cdn-static.gamekult.com/gamekult-com/images/photos/00/01/24/50/ME0001245096_2.jpg
http://cdn-static.gamekult.com/gamekult-com/images/photos/00/01/24/51/ME0001245101_2.jpg
The reason is those new illustrations are not from rato, who is the main artist for Matsuri / Kizuna.
You can see the quality is very different.

Another reason is, this machine came after the last Kizuna some years.

Edit:
BTW, talking about how much popular Higurashi is...
A new slot machine is coming, based on Higurashi Kira anime.

ntWW4Eanq-U

[xPearse]

BTW, talking about how much popular Higurashi is...
A new slot machine is coming, based on Higurashi Kira anime.

ntWW4Eanq-U
Yup, make a pinball machine for a 3 year old anime, that's not weird at all. Couldn't they have, you know, created one when it came out. I don't understand why they waited, but I guess anything new is good.

Higanbana has no connection to Boogiepop Phantom, but Rose Guns Days is inspired by Bebop a little bit. The main character, Leo, is a lot like Spike, and the OP (http://youtu.be/6X9GVPZ69aA) pays homage to the classic TANK! OP (http://youtu.be/Aw3fN3OPk3A). However, RGD's plot has no resemblance to Bebop's, and I assume all the particular similarities are just homages.

Have you even seen Boogiepop Phantom, because there are a lot of similarities. Based in a school, with supernatural elements and ghost like spirits, told from the distorted perspective of many characters, then you piece it all together by the end through everyone's accounts, or at least it seems they have a similar story narrative. I haven't read Higanbana but from what info is on the net, they seem to share many similarities.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

This.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412331962-soul-brothers.png

[Mr. Dent]

Wow, I've seen a lot of crazy things in anime and manga, but that really does sound unsettling (for anyone). Why would anyone do that? That's too crazy.

The artist for the manga was previously an artist for lolicon hentai doujinshi, if I remember correctly. He was just sticking to what he knows.

Have you even seen Boogiepop Phantom, because there are a lot of similarities. Based in a school, with supernatural elements and ghost like spirits, told from the distorted perspective of many characters, then you piece it all together by the end through everyone's accounts, or at least it seems they have a similar story narrative. I haven't read Higanbana but from what info is on the net, they seem to share many similarities.

Higanbana isn't a mystery, though. It's pretty up-front with its plot. It's more a collection of short stories than a full narrative, too.

[Levani]

I can't believe they're actually allowed to show the fanservice scenes of the younger characters in public...

This is Japan. Believe it.

A Kira pachinko machine. They really don't want the series to die, do they

It's just a Pachinko. They are making these stuff for nearly everything. I'm grateful it's not another terrible OVA.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I can't believe they're actually allowed to show the fanservice scenes of the younger characters in public...


You don't seems to understand that it's way more common than you think, because they DO differentiate fan service of anime lolis and real life pedopornography.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Now that I think about it, the shadow on the face of blue eyes Rena make me think of the customized curry mode of Chie I made :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412350463-chie-curry.png

[GrAVit]

Now that I think about it, the shadow on the face of blue eyes Rena make me think of the customized curry mode of Chie I made :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412350463-chie-curry.png

That's... unsettling. Did you use it in some fan-made VN?

[TheGuraGuraMan]

That's... unsettling. Did you use it in some fan-made VN?

In my patch obviously. Modified a bit the comedy scenes about curry to make them more scary.


Also, here is as usual the sprite comparison for Rena in sport suit :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412355294-rena-sport-comparison.png



Also.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412357447-rena-wat.png
AUUUU MOTHERFUCKER.

[Mr. Dent]

And here we have Mion... Looking not very Mion-like at all.
http://photo4.ask.fm/209/158/623/2390003001-1s3k75h-64npaiaqbq5k0kp/original/me_si_ha_a1.png
Her expression seems to soft, but hopefully this is just her blushing expression, or something, and her usual expression will look more like the Mion we're all used to. Also, her boobs are weird, but they're just following the Vanilla, so it's excusable. (The Vanilla did, in fact, have the clothes fold under her boobs and pointy sides. ...where's her gun? Also if anyone's casual clothes should have a high collar, it's Mion's. Oh well, it's still very cute looking.)

[xPearse]

Ok now that just looks retarted, just look at her breasts. They're not big enough God dammit! That set aside, her sprite looks freaking horrible, it's just so bad. From her boob sockets (yea I know her shirt is tucked under) to the skin tight pants, this is utterly ridiculous.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Tried to fix it a bit, how is it ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412383957-mion-si-steam-fixed.png


Also if anyone's casual clothes should have a high collar, it's Mion's

He just obviously used the Alchemist sprite as reference again.

[GrAVit]

Well, the breasts look better now. The face's kinda unfitting, so I hope that this is only the "embarrassed" sprite as well.

I don't think the BB gun matters that much, since nobody ever makes note of it anyway.

I wonder what her "yandere-look" looks like with that face?

[TheGuraGuraMan]

The face's kinda unfitting, so I hope that this is only the "embarrassed" sprite as well.

The default expression also looked bad. Don't get your hopes high on this, Mion's face is pretty much fucked, that's a fact.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Alright, finished the sprites comparison :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412386584-mion-casual-blush-comparison.png

[Mr. Dent]

Alright, finished the sprites comparison :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412386584-mion-casual-blush-comparison.png

Wow, he is pretty much just copying the PS2/DS sprites. Her collar goes all the way up to her neck in the Vanilla, there's no reason it should be a V-neck. Not only that, but the shirt is clearly really loose on her in the Vanilla, so why is it so tight in the new one? Also, your comparisons are pretty much the first time I've ever seen the Alchemist sprites, since I played the game unpatched. I did play the Umineko games patched, but that was pretty much just for the voices.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Not only that, but the shirt is clearly really loose on her in the Vanilla, so why is it so tight in the new one?


Obviously to show off the breasts more, tough even with that, those are still ridiculous.

[Ithekro]

I seem to remember the V-neck was more common in the early 80s.

[Levani]

Oh wow, those boobs. They look terrible.

And dropping this here too - http://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/2i709j/tumblr_mangagamer_higurashi/

[TheGuraGuraMan]

How about this ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412421409-mion-casual-remake.png

[Levani]

Your version is definitely better but I don't think those boobs are fixable. This is the only sprite I don't like. It's so weird ><

[xPearse]

Yea, her breasts look much better but are still kinda messed up. It is sad though that these are the sprites were gonna get in the new steam release, since it doesn't seem mangagamer will ask their artist to make any changes. And where did that new Rena sprite come from, I never saw it on their askfm. About that reddit link, it seems they never even bothered to fully read or understand the tumblr response.

[Levani]

Too bad most of them are insulting you or being hostile xD Arguments can get so nasty and I'm guilty of it too. Sigh.

[GrAVit]

This might seem random, but now that the Higurashi Kira pachinko machine brought up magical girl Rika and Satoko again, I guess this is a good a time as any to ask this question. Why is magical Satoko's wand shaped like a hammer? It seems so random. I know that Rika's resembles the ceremonial hoe she uses for the festival, but where did the hammer come from? If it's supposed to be a blunt weapon to somewhat resemble Satoshi's bat (this is the only explanation I could think of, and even I think it's far-fetched), then why not just make it a bat? This is just a random question that's been bugging me for a while.

Well, to me, the hammer resembled her passion in creating traps, a hammer being the symbol for building, construction, etc.

[Joly]

Looks like you got that from my tumblr blog. I wrote in the description that these are items you can get if you purchase the BD-BOX (the blu-ray...) from certain stores (Toranoana, Sofmap, Gamers)

The designs on the products are specially designed by Sakai Kyuta (character designer for Higurashi season 1 and Kai.)

[xPearse]

http://33.media.tumblr.com/c4a9d7b1f5f2b414d6b60ce58aeae724/tumblr_ncwuwwXycd1r1gv0go2_250.jpg
Looks like to cover for a sex pillow, just sayin. And does anyone know where that recent Rena hau sprite came from.

This one here.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/40/1412357447-rena-wat.png

[TheGuraGuraMan]

It came from me lol. Made this expression by accident while trying to fix some stuff on Steam Rena's sprite, and since it looked hella funny I ended up posting it.

[xPearse]

It came from me lol. Made this expression by accident while trying to fix some stuff on Steam Rena's sprite, and since it looked hella funny I ended up posting it.

Oh right, I understand now. It looks real good though, nice job.

Rika's outfit might be questionable, but at least Satoko's looks okay.
Yea, I guess so, if your into loli cat girls that is, refraining from making a terrible star ocean 4 reference. And I hope these aren't animal motifs for the characters, I do wonder what everyone else would be, but don't want the thread to go all Evangelion.

[Levani]

From MG tumblr

Onikakushi: Translation & Edit Complete

Watanagashi: 12.2% Translated

I bet Onikakushi will be released in a month or two, only engine stuff are left.

[chaos_alfa]

From MG tumblr

Onikakushi: Translation & Edit Complete

Watanagashi: 12.2% Translated

I bet Onikakushi will be released in a month or two, only engine stuff are left.

The translaton and editing for Onikakushi has been done since at least May 25 (http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/93962591/540735425849973030/#c522728268868037288), but we are indeed only waiting on the engine stuff.

2 months for release seems plausible.

[GrAVit]

So Unity, huh? Does anyone know how much that's going to differ from the old engine?

[chaos_alfa]

So Unity, huh? Does anyone know how much that's going to differ from the old engine?

From what I have read it seem the conversion is going to be pretty faithful to the original version, so I wouldn't expect any major changes.

[GrAVit]

From what I have read it seem the conversion is going to be pretty faithful to the original version, so I wouldn't expect any major changes.

So we're even going to have those large blue buttons on the bottom of the screen for the entirety of the VN? They don't exactly bother me, but I know that some people find them a nuisance.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I'm pretty sure The_Doddler said he wanted to remove them.

[Levani]

So Unity, huh? Does anyone know how much that's going to differ from the old engine?

I don't think there will be any noticeable change, it'll just run on a different engine.

Can anyone ask MG twitter if they could possibly do a textbox for this release? I would love that.

[chaos_alfa]

I don't think there will be any noticeable change, it'll just run on a different engine.

Can anyone ask MG twitter if they could possibly do a textbox for this release? I would love that.

As long as it's optional I'm fine with it. I like the style more where the text is presented over the spites, it makes you have to move your eyes less to be able to read the text and see the sprites respond to what is being said.

[Levani]

Really? I actually think it gets in the way of appreciating art :P

[xPearse]

If you're referring to Meracle (sorry, I made the reference), I don't think we have to worry about that for this Satoko. This outfit looks cute, not sexualized.
Ah, you unleashed the unholy reference that is Meracle kay. But yea, I know its not sexualized. Just couldn't resist from mentioning that terrible game, glad to see you got the reference though.

So Unity, huh? Does anyone know how much that's going to differ from the old engine?
Unity, what did they buy that plugin some guy made for simple visual novel creation. Probably did, and why does Mangagamer have to move engine for, is there a problem using the original?

[chaos_alfa]

Ah, you unleashed the unholy reference that is Meracle kay. But yea, I know its not sexualized. Just couldn't resist from mentioning that terrible game, glad to see you got the reference though.


Unity, what did they buy that plugin some guy made for simple visual novel creation. Probably did, and why does Mangagamer have to move engine for, is there a problem using the original?

From this (http://blog.mangagamer.org/2014/06/11/programmers-corner-writing-a-visual-novel-engine/) post I don't get the impression Doddler made use of a visual novel plugin to port visual novels to Unity.

[xPearse]

I know you know, I just had to say it. On a side note, is that "kay" a reference to Lymle? :D
Yes, star ocean 4 references galore. Nappy time anyone, and why am I getting Irie vibes from that pedio scientist in the alternate earth mission.

From this (http://blog.mangagamer.org/2014/06/11/programmers-corner-writing-a-visual-novel-engine/) post I don't get the impression Doddler made use of a visual novel plugin to port visual novels to Unity.
Seems that way, he also said he had to create his own engine and talked about issues with the original. Thanks, I guess that answers my question.

Like Tick Tack before it, Really? Really! ran on a game engine developed by Navel which, while solid, had a pretty serious flaw–it doesn’t run properly on systems that don’t support Japanese text. That doesn’t impact them in their Japanese market, but it’s a serious problem for us. Sadly, Navel has already long since moved on to new releases and no longer have any of the source code we’d require to modify the engine for our needs. So how do you cope? Well, pretty much your only real option is to pack up everything and move it all over to a different, better suited engine.

[GrAVit]

I think animes always have these recurring personalities, wouldn't think too much of it.

[xPearse]

I don't want to seem like I'm derailing this thread, so this is probably the last time I'm going to post about Star Ocean, but that scientist from the alternate Earth also reminded me of Irie. He looks just like Irie, but with a different hair color. I'm not sure if you were trying to say "pedo," but I didn't get that vibe from the Star Ocean scientist. He saw Meracle as his daughter (if you think about it, Irie once thought about adopting Satoko).

The crazy lady (the one desperate for an alternate energy source to power a machine too advanced for the time period of that alternate earth) also looks just like Takano (and she's similarly crazy). Her outfit even looks like Takano's Yamainu commander (or whatever it's called) outfit. Spooky. I wonder if that's a coincidence?

Yea, he and that guys wife do have a lot of similarities to Irie and Takano, but I was just taking a jab with that pedo remark. I know that wasn't the case in the game but one can't be too sure when it's made by the Japanese, especially when there's a loli cat girl involved.

I think animes always have these recurring personalities, wouldn't think too much of it.
Well, actually a game but it's got anime written all over it because Japan. Although I think that's enough of star ocean 4 for now, one can only handle so many nightmarish flashbacks. That game will haunt me for the rest of my days, including many other horrific J-RPG's, "that was ace".

[xPearse]

They've also shown Mion's swimsuit sprite, it looks good but her breasts looks a bit too much super suctioned.
http://photo4.ask.fm/682/267/485/2390003016-1s3ttpr-brcmbam3434m0cf/original/me_mi_to_a1.png

[Levani]

The breast look way better here...

http://puu.sh/c2QTN/fe45ee60cb.jpg

This was also posted.

[GrAVit]

The breast look way better here...

http://puu.sh/c2QTN/fe45ee60cb.jpg

This was also posted.

Awesome. So they're indeed fixing their sprites, I guess?

When exactly did Mion wear her swimsuit, again? Was it a punishment game?

[Levani]

Oh, I meant breast for Mion, not Rena. Sorry for misunderstanding.

And you're right, they use the swimsuit on the punishment.

[Levani]

I doubt they will. And I don't think they "have" to fix them either. What's done is done. Let's not act like entitled consumers.

[GrAVit]

I think they can certainly still improve them. If not now, for future releases at least.

[Mr. Dent]

I doubt they will. And I don't think they "have" to fix them either. What's done is done. Let's not act like entitled consumers.

Didn't they say they were looking into changing some sprites due to fan complaints? That said, I don't feel like they need to fix as much as others seem to think. I just want them to fix Mion and Takano.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Some quick changes (didn't bother to make it look perfect, just to see how it would look), how about this ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/41/1412703302-mion-mizugi-comparison-remake.png






edit : And a screenshot for Satoko with her school uniform is available. The_Doddler said the blue gui will only appear when you move your mouse to the bottom right of the screen.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/41/1412703986-satoko-steam-school-screenshot.jpg

[chaos_alfa]

Some quick changes (didn't bother to make it look perfect, just to see how it would look), how about this ?
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/41/1412703302-mion-mizugi-comparison-remake.png

Looks better at least. You could also try to darken it a bit to remove some of the see-through effect.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

And also, seems like It's better to keep the head at the same size and make the rest bigger. Now she looks more like her age and she's at the good size compared to Rika's and Satoko's.
*Look at my next message for the update*
(removed the little part of the right breast I forgot on the suit)

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Look at that. The skirt doesn't look too short. And the sprite doesn't look sexualized!


Plot twist : they "fix" that.


And last stuff, removed the navel, showing it like that doesn't make any sense, with also some minor color changes :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/41/1412711101-mion-mizugi-remake.png

[chaos_alfa]

Plot twist : they "fix" that.


And last stuff, removed the navel, showing it like that doesn't make any sense :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/41/1412708749-mion-mizugi-remake.png

Nice, the sprite looks much better now.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

I find it so ironic that Satoko's dress in her new school sprite have such realistic folds and yet the clothing physics on many other sprites are unrealistically sexualized to the point of being laughable.



... wouldn't go that far. Just look at some folds like the one at the level of her scrotch.

[Levani]

http://puu.sh/c3jpH/f0bf6b5efb.jpg

Another post.


Edit : Oh damn, you guys beat me to it. Ignore me xDDD

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Also, here is the usual sprites comparison.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/41/1412712196-mion-mizugi-comparison.png

[GrAVit]

Plot twist : they "fix" that.


And last stuff, removed the navel, showing it like that doesn't make any sense, with also some minor color changes :
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/41/1412711101-mion-mizugi-remake.png

Did you make her bulkier? To be honest the MG one isn't that bad. I don't mind the navel etc.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Did you make her bulkier? To be honest the MG one isn't that bad. I don't mind the navel etc.


No, I gave her a more suited body for her age. The original one doesn't make any sense, it feels also like she's 10 years old. Same for the navel who shouldn't show off like that, if we follow the same logic, the artist could have done the same with the pussy, seriously.