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Chris38
2011-12-28, 00:55
Thanks for the summary :p


Well, in the first place, they don't have a lot of time, before Alucard is going to be fully awakened and Moka will become his lunch, and I believe that Moka being in danger, has a much higher priority of resolving compared to what happened to Yukari and Fong Fong...

Which, makes me think that, either Tsukune's group is going to split up, with one part of it moving toward, while another part of the group goes to check on Yukari on Fong Fong...

Or, less likely in my opinion, Tsukune's reinforcements come to the scene and deal with Fong Fong's and Yukari's situation - the reason, why I think it's less likely, is because unlike the situation in the Yuki Onna village, both groups have no methods to communicate with each other, so even if Gin and the others, arrive in Fairy Tale's headquarters, Tsukune's group will still have no way of communicating with them, and is still, most likely going to be split up.

The question is, who is going to come with Tsukune, and who will stay behind to help Yukari and Fong Fong ?

If , I would put any guesses, I would say that Tsukune would order the girls to stay behind, while he proceeds toward alone, since it's not in his character to endanger his friends, but I'm quite sure that the girls would be quite opposed to something like that - so, I don't know how this matter is actually going to be resolved - one thing that I'm sure about, is that the group must hurry up to where Alucard is, unless they want the whole reason, why they came here to become redundant...

Tachibana
2011-12-28, 08:56
Let's see, there is only Tsukune, Mizore and Kurumu left that have yet to fight, perhaps Kurumu and Mizore will head back to take down the 6th subdivision leader, the reason why i say Mizore and Kurumu is because it looks like its their time to fight, while Tsukune and Rudy proceed forward, but that still leaves two subdivision leaders left (still excluding Miyabi), so now it would be that time for reinforcements to start arriving, unless Tsukune is able to take them down himself or that Ruby has had time to heal to join him, but the reinforcements will arrive when it reaches a critical point, it's nearly to that point.

Chris38
2011-12-28, 12:31
Well, I think we already know who are the last two sub-division leaders - one of them, being the Samurai armor guy, who has made the roof fall on Fong Fong and Yukari, along with the guy, who Gyokuro was talking with, are in my opinion, the last two Fairy Tale sub-division leaders.

Furthermore, unlike the previous battle's I see no reason, why Mizore and Kurumu should get an individual fight, since unlike Ruby, Fong Fong and Yukari, they had plenty of development during the training arc, before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's headquarters...

Not to mention that Ikeda probably realizes that further dragging the fights against the sub-division leader's, won't make this manga more popular - while I think that the fight between Ruby and Raika and between Fong Fong and Sai-lung might be important for the future arcs, I can't think of anything that could be applied to Kurumu and Mizore, especially since, like i said earlier, they had some development during the latest training arc.

After all, we hadn't even learned what is Sai-lung's or Routier's true form, which is the reason why I think that Ikeda is slowly ending the fights against the Fairy Tale's sub-division leaders and slowly proceeding towards the main part of the current arc, which is the fight between Tsukune and Akua...

This is also the reason why, I believe the fighs against the last two Fairy Tale sub-division leaders,i won't occur - or at the very least, will happen at the same time, when Tsukune's battle against Akua begins.

At least that's how I think the current arc is going to develop, since I see no reason, why the fights against the Faairy Tale leaders should continue (besides giving Kurumu and Mizore some more development, but that can happen at any time... )


On a different topic, I wonder if the conversion that Tsukune and Moka are going to have, is going to somehow reflect on the topic that Inner Moka had with Inui (The Fake vampire) in chapter 40 of the first season, about the "true ability" of a vampire, which Tsukune has already gained or rather surpassed, since he is not only capable of changing his youkai aura to physical strength, but is also capable of using it, to form youjutsu techniques, which isn't something that an ordinary vampire is capable of...

Of course, I know that chapter 40 of the first season can be considered as a filler, but since it has been made by Ikeda, it might be mentioned in Tsukune's and Inner Moka's future conversation, especially now, after Tsukune has became more similar to an actual vampire (due to undergoing the human modification ritual)... which is something, that is definitely going to surprise Inner Moka.

Tachibana
2011-12-28, 17:31
The conversation between Ura and Tsukune should be interesting :)

kenjiharima
2011-12-29, 01:46
Merchandise Update.

Kurumu 1/8
by: OrchidSeed

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Gotta love Kurumu man this is one of the best figures of the R+V merchandise.

haegar
2011-12-29, 06:49
Merchandise Update.

Kurumu 1/8
by: OrchidSeed

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Gotta love Kurumu man this is one of the best figures of the R+V merchandise.

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GrrDraxin
2011-12-29, 17:12
Oh, yummy Kurumu. I swear, it's a miracle that she's still a virgin, and I'd say that's pretty unusual for a succubus. But it looks like they upped her breasts a couple of cup sizes there.

kenjiharima
2011-12-30, 05:57
Wonder where is our Kurumu lover gone to this holiday season?
:heh:

Alhazad2003
2011-12-30, 14:36
Courtesy of ChuukaIdai

Chapter 49 Clarification
I will say this once: the masked figure's actual name is "The King of Masks" (仮面の王), while the Samurai dude is Revenant: Refined Skeleton (幽鬼骸煉, Youki: Gairen), Leader of the 6th Subdivision of Fairy Tale.

In the flashback, the King of Masks first shows Xia-Long the vast expanse of China, and claims that all of this can be his if he serves the King of Masks. He also tells Xia-Long that those who betray him will suffer a painful death, then reveals the severed body parts of Xia-Long's FATHER. The King of Masks then offers the position of leader of the Miao family to Xia-Long as a gift.

After the near-handshake between Xia-Long and Fong-Fong, Revenant Gairen appears and asks Xia-Long whether or not he wants to meet the same end as his father after siding with Fong-Fong. The enraged Xia-Long asks why he brought up the subject of his father, but Gairen melts the pillars of the room and causes the ceiling to fall in, telling him that he shall suffer the gruesome death offered to all traitors.

Happy New Year everyone!

Chris38
2011-12-31, 02:10
Thanks for the clarification Alhazad2003, although...

... it really makes me wonder who is this "King of masks", and what is his position within the Fairy Tale organization, after all his name doesn't really fit with such a low position, as being one of the Fairy Tale's subdivision leaders...

Unfortunately, if "the king of masks" isn't one of the subdivision leaders, it implies that we haven't been introduced to the last two Fairy Tale subdivision leaders yet, and judging by the pattern Ikeda seems to go with in the recent chapters, it seems we will be introduced to them in the next few chapters, before we proceed to the more serious fights - like the fight between Akua and Tsukune for example...

After all, in my opinion this is the list of the Fairy Tale subdivision leaders that we know about:

1st: Miyabi
4th: Sai-Lung
5th: Raika
6th: Revenant: Refined Skeleton
7th: Kaede (defeated in the "Sun" arc, so it's unlikely that he will appear again)

Which, like I said, still leaves the second and third subdivision leaders unrevealed...

Magin
2011-12-31, 02:21
... so for those who are unaware (if anyone actually is) that volume 6 of SII is now out in stores... while I have to wait a paycheck before I can buy it, I looked through the omakes in back, and found something I find very interesting

So, I'm sure we're all aware of the infamous moe that has been overblown in anime and manga... well, Yukari basically says that "readers are confused. Is this a moe manga or not?" My immediate reaction was "Hell No!" (let me clarify something here- I don't truly hate 'moe', but it's best in small doses, not overblown like in K-on! and other similar series)... then then show a panel in which they draw everyone very cutesy, to make things more moe, and I believe the reaction is "oh no! now we can't tell anyone apart" "quick, to distinguish them, each must have their own personality traits". And I also cringed when they drew the girls 'moe' style... anyways, I just found it hilarious that the omakes made fun of 'moe', and let's hope that R+V doesn't cross that line... mostly so I can have my sexy Inner Moka :naughty: :D

Tsuyoshi
2011-12-31, 02:40
Thanks for the clarification Alhazad2003, although...

... it really makes me wonder who is this "King of masks", and what is his position within the Fairy Tale organization, after all his name doesn't really fit with such a low position, as being one of the Fairy Tale's subdivision leaders...

Unfortunately, if "the king of masks" isn't one of the subdivision leaders, it implies that we haven't been introduced to the last two Fairy Tale subdivision leaders yet, and judging by the pattern Ikeda seems to go with in the recent chapters, it seems we will be introduced to them in the next few chapters, before we proceed to the more serious fights - like the fight between Akua and Tsukune for example...

After all, in my opinion this is the list of the Fairy Tale subdivision leaders that we know about:

1st: Miyabi
4th: Sai-Lung
5th: Raika
6th: Revenant: Refined Skeleton
7th: Kaede (defeated in the "Sun" arc, so it's unlikely that he will appear again)

Which, like I said, still leaves the second and third subdivision leaders unrevealed...



It looks as though we've yet to be introduced to the strongest captains. Miyabi would definitely be in first, implying that he's the strongest. I have the feeling that of all the leaders, the top three are a step beyond the others that Tsukune & friends have fought. Although I'm not sure why you placed Sai-Lung as the leader of the 4th subdivision. That's Routier's place. I'm wondering if he's the leader of another subdivision?

... so for those who are unaware (if anyone actually is) that volume 6 of SII is now out in stores... while I have to wait a paycheck before I can buy it, I looked through the omakes in back, and found something I find very interesting

So, I'm sure we're all aware of the infamous moe that has been overblown in anime and manga... well, Yukari basically says that "readers are confused. Is this a moe manga or not?" My immediate reaction was "Hell No!" (let me clarify something here- I don't truly hate 'moe', but it's best in small doses, not overblown like in K-on! and other similar series)... then then show a panel in which they draw everyone very cutesy, to make things more moe, and I believe the reaction is "oh no! now we can't tell anyone apart" "quick, to distinguish them, each must have their own personality traits". And I also cringed when they drew the girls 'moe' style... anyways, I just found it hilarious that the omakes made fun of 'moe', and let's hope that R+V doesn't cross that line... mostly so I can have my sexy Inner Moka :naughty: :D

I doubt R+V will ever go in the moe direction the way K-On and other series of its ilk have. The main reason for it is because K-On doesn't have an on going plot. The manga and the anime feels more like a collection of Omake and nothing else. R+V on the other hand has a pretty strong ongoing story that can be considered quite dramatic if not downright dark, or the potential to become dark.

Alhazad2003
2011-12-31, 02:45
Thanks for the clarification Alhazad2003, although...

... it really makes me wonder who is this "King of masks", and what is his position within the Fairy Tale organization, after all his name doesn't really fit with such a low position, as being one of the Fairy Tale's subdivision leaders...

Unfortunately, if "the king of masks" isn't one of the subdivision leaders, it implies that we haven't been introduced to the last two Fairy Tale subdivision leaders yet, and judging by the pattern Ikeda seems to go with in the recent chapters, it seems we will be introduced to them in the next few chapters, before we proceed to the more serious fights - like the fight between Akua and Tsukune for example...

After all, in my opinion this is the list of the Fairy Tale subdivision leaders that we know about:

1st: Miyabi
4th: Sai-Lung
5th: Raika
6th: Revenant: Refined Skeleton
7th: Kaede (defeated in the "Sun" arc, so it's unlikely that he will appear again)

Which, like I said, still leaves the second and third subdivision leaders unrevealed...



In the original summary, the King of Masks reveals himself to be not only the founder of the Miu family, but the founder of Fairy Tale as well. So Gyokuro's not the head honcho after all, I daresay she's merely a go between so he can control the vampires of Japan, as well as the Chinese criminal underworld, which he feels now belongs entirely to him.

And yes, I'm sure the Captains- uh I mean branch leaders of Subdivisions Two and Three (the bearded youkai and the masked swordsman) will appear shortly, most likely in the next chapter. Since Revenant Gairen was acting as clean-up after the Fong-Fong*Sai-Lung battle, he might not fight the group directly. I have a feeling he'll appear again if Akuha goes against the company agenda, so to speak. So if she shows any signs of turning against Fairy Tale, he'll be there to cut her down.

But how Miyabe's plot works into this is anyone's guess. I surmised his plan was to use Tsukune and friends to eliminate the other branch leaders and Gyokuro, so he'd be the only authority in Fairy Tale left. But now the King of Masks has appeared, and I doubt he'll appreciate this probable coup being staged. We saw what he did to Sai-Lung's father for acting against his best interests, one of Miyabe's contingent could be next. Can't wait to find out either way.

It looks as though we've yet to be introduced to the strongest captains. Miyabi would definitely be in first, implying that he's the strongest. I have the feeling that of all the leaders, the top three are a step beyond the others that Tsukune & friends have fought. Although I'm not sure why you placed Sai-Lung as the leader of the 4th subdivision. That's Routier's place. I'm wondering if he's the leader of another subdivision?

Nope, Routier was actually the deputy leader of Subdivision Four, much like Kiria's second-in-command at Subdivision One.

As for the strongest ones haven't appeared yet, I wholeheartedly agree. Though I'd say Raika and Kamiya were a lot stronger than Sai-Lung, so I doubt branch number is indicative of strength. Though we'll definitely see soon enough, I'm sure. Until then...

Chris38
2011-12-31, 03:12
Well, considering the population of vampires in the Fairy Tale's headquarters, I doubt that the king of masks plans of controlling the vampire race, are going well.

Most likely, there is someone (Issa) who is quite opposed to the King of masks plans, and since he had quite an influential position among the vampire race, it might be possible that most of the vampires have went into hiding, along with Issa.

Of course, the second possibility, is that the vampires in Fairy Tale are relocated to a much more higher defended place, which is the "real" (main) headquarters of Fairy Tale, since I'm starting to doubt that the floating garden is the main headquarters of the Fairy Tale organization, because it doesn't seem that there founder (and most likely the "real" leader of the organization is present there.

Although, we will, probably need to wait a few chapters, before we will learn what is actually the case on the actual position of the vampire race in this conflict...

Still, the current chapters revelations definitely mean that this arc won't be the last arc of the R+V manga, since even if Tsukune and company destroy the Floating Garden (which has a strong possibility of occurring), it probably won't mean the complete destruction of the Fairy Tale organization, leaving an antagonist for Tsukune's third year at the Youkai Academy.

Tachibana
2011-12-31, 09:06
I agree with Chris38 about Fairy Tales lack of support from the vampire race, i thought out of the all the monsters in R+V, that they would support Fairy Tale, but they do not, thats good to know.

Issa was indeed an influential figure amoung vampires as well as head of the most powerful family of vampires to exist, they no doubt follow him instead of Gyokuro, besides he also follows Akasha's idea of peace, not to mention if you consider the vampires in Moka's memory flashback they're actually a decent race in the R+V universe, this probably has something to do with Alucard's rampage over 200 years earlier, perhaps the incident with Alucard changed their race somehow, but they still hold their old traditions.

If Issa himself is ever discovered, i have no doubts in my mind that he to would be an ally to Tsukune and friends.

DragoZERO
2011-12-31, 09:57
Not another masked villain... *sigh*

ShiroiRyu
2011-12-31, 09:58
Normal it's only 21 pages.
Two weeks without pages.
The other monthly is like that.
But Masked king ?!

zibi88
2011-12-31, 10:25
I wonder what if gyokuro needs to follow this masked king order or he will wipe out their entire race... so kinda he threatened her with this...

what if the masked king first went to issa to make the deal but he refused.. and so masked king killed him in front of everyone... so those who would not follow he would kill so in order to protect the vampire race she needs to cooperate...

but I think that its more possible that gyokuro had a power greed and started to work with this guy to get what she wants... maybe issa rejected the offer and was inprisoned or killed and gyokuro took the charge... when the masked king talks gyokuro's eyes are really empty somehow maybe he controls her...

and that masked king figure... tentacles kinda similar to allucard... maybe those egs that were attached to the ice tree are releated to him... like in order to live he needs to consume energy and so those eggs are like energy drainers...

other question is what is his relantionship with funai... it was stated he hates him the most in the world... so lets see how it will turn out and who is this guy anyway... maybe masked king loved akasha... but she choiced other people and went angry and so he wants to get his anger on moka (and the same akasha who might be aware inside alucard and see her child be killed)

hmm I was wondering what the next fight migh be... ok the ghost samurai might go against kurumu or mizore.... so what about tsukune...

first he might go against miyabi but he betray's gyokuro and lets tsukune pass... than we will get tsukune vs akuha... than moka wakes up and she gets the fight against akuha as a payback for what she did to her in the past and maybe what she did to tsukune.... allucard close to waking up... maybe gyokuro shows up and gets to fight tsukune... later there might be moka + akuha vs gyokuro... gyokuro loses... masked king appears... he fights everyone but then funai appears and fights him.... at the end of it alucard wakes up and he goes that even if he lost he still won...

and at the end of the fight steak we will get everyone vs alucard... which mostly focuses on combination of tsukunes power and moka (like the prophecy fortold)... well maybe the manga will end with outside moka disappearing but promising that they will be reunited one day... tsukune ends up with inner silver moka (and maybe with other girls as polygamy XD)... they have a child daugher that looks exacly like outside moka (like she said that one day they will be reunited together)...


but still till this happens it will be 1-2more years XD

Von Himmel
2011-12-31, 10:27
Guessing that the masked king seemed to hate Touhou Fuhai...maybe he's somewhat like Alucard's ally that fightside alongside him against Moka's mother and Fuhai :heh:

Chris38
2011-12-31, 10:48
Well, first of all, the previous chapter (most specifically the Yuki Onna village arc) have implied that Issa is still alive...

Second of all, I doubt Moka is going to assist Tsukune in defeating Akua, since that would definitely cause Alucard to awaken, and like I said earlier, even if the group works together I doubt that they would be capable of defeating him.

Not to mention, I think that, if Tsukune wouldn't be capable of defeating Akua on his own, then the entire training arc, before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ would be a little redundant, if he still wouldn't be capable of defeating a strong opponent on his own - after all, we have already seen Tsukune working together with Sun to defeat Kaede (who at that time, was definitely a strong opponent ), so him needing Moka's help to defeat Akua would fell like a repeat of that - in other words that Tsukune, still hasn't reached a level where he would be capable of dealing with strong opponents.

On the matter of who is going to fight the Yuki Gairen - well, I doubt it's going to be anyone from Tsukune's group, since apart from him and Miyabi (who I doubt, is going to fight against Tsukune and his friends, due to having his own plans) there are two other subdivision leaders + Gyokuro, Akua and ... Kahula...

Basically, what I want to say, is that there is a very strong chance that Tsukune's group reinforcements (in the form of Gin, Haiji, Kokoa, Ling Ling and probably Tohou Fuhai + maybe even the headmaster of Youkai Academy) are going to arrive at the Floating Garden, and they will be the ones, who will deal with the rest of Fairy Tale subdivision leaders + Gyokuro, while Tsukune's group proceeds toward Moka and Akua... most likely having to deal with Kahula on the way, and she might be the one, who Mizore and Kurmu will need to fight with...

HayashiTakara
2011-12-31, 13:17
Well we finally see the face of the true leader of Fairy Tale... sorta :heh:

Pretty unique in it's own way, tentacle head is pretty interesting.

Anyway, relatively short chapter but ended with quite the cliff hanger. The blood running from under the debris is a bad sign along with the blank looks on everyones face. A good chance though that Sai-Lung sacrificed himself to save the others.

Tachibana
2011-12-31, 13:18
I think Gyokuro is full of crap when it comes to her being the new leader of the Shuzen family, i believe shes using that title to gain leverage in terms of power, if you consider Issa's position in the vampire race, than he should definitely have great power, but i have already considered the possibility that something bad has happened to him by Gyokuro's doing or perhaps it might even be the Masked King's doing.

FlareKnight
2011-12-31, 13:58
Kind of funny they go with the classic "oh god are they dead" ending to the chapter, of course they aren't. Guess the question though is will someone head back since they could have that next sub-leader heading their way. So either go and face him there or wait for whatever room they come into next that would be suited for a fight.

Could certainly see Mizore and Kurumu teaming up since they have trained together. Of course always depends on opponents.

And wow a masked villain :heh:. Pretty rude guy though with the whole parent in the briefcase thing. Though wonder how competent he is. If he was that angry about the peace signed then why wait 7 years to kill the Miu leader responsible for it? Just lazy?

Tachibana
2011-12-31, 15:02
Something interesting...

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/364/3/7/gyokuro_shuzen_by_sandertulk-d4kpqka.jpg

Chris38
2011-12-31, 15:26
Something interesting...

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/364/3/7/gyokuro_shuzen_by_sandertulk-d4kpqka.jpg

Well, even if I'm not fond of Gyokuro's character, that picture of her is still pretty nice :heh:

Anyway, it seems that we are still far away, before Tsukune gets to the place where Moka is - at least, if the next chapter doesn't introduce some plot twist that might make this arc less predictable, since we can't deny the fact that the latest chapter, has made the situation quite a lot more dark and a little bit unpredictable.

Although, I have no doubts that Yukari and Fong Fong will be still alive after this, still I can't quite say the same thing about Sai Lung and Routier - though I hope that Ikeda won't go with such an cliche thing, as redemption through death, or something like that.

Unfortunately, the blood, still needs to belong to someone, so there is a possibility of something like that occurring... although I'm hoping that I'm mistaken about this, since Sai Lung and especially Routier, with her sadistic tendencies, seem like quite interesting characters - not to mention that Routier and Ruby, could definitely become great "friends" :heh:

Tachibana
2011-12-31, 15:46
Routier and Ruby, that would be funny :heh:

So i'm guessing it will go like this, the Masked King gets defeated for good, Sai-Lung assumes control of the Miao family and ends the rivalry with the Huang family permanentely, thus both families become allies.

Johnny
2011-12-31, 17:13
I'm guessing it was the missing Academy gang that probably helped them out. Then we'll get another 2 or 3 chapters of them fighting that 6th dude.:rolleyes: Think I'll check back next summer and see if we'll finally be getting to Moka...

Tempest35
2011-12-31, 21:08
So Gyokuro is in charge of Fairy Tail overall while Sai Lung was in charge of the Miao Family and the Masked Man is over the both of them. I'm pretty much in fear of this guy if he's capable of pullin on Gyokuro's strings...:twitch:

A proclaimed rival of Todou Fuhai...*goes into research mode*

An for some reason, I'm thinking that Mask King is a part or portion of Alucard or at the very least, knew Alucard, Akasha, Fuhai, and Mikogami when they were younger...

Don't quote me, it's just a random thought/feeling...:heh:

Alhazad2003
2012-01-01, 05:25
On the matter of who is going to fight the Yuki Gairen - well, I doubt it's going to be anyone from Tsukune's group, since apart from him and Miyabi (who I doubt, is going to fight against Tsukune and his friends, due to having his own plans) there are two other subdivision leaders + Gyokuro, Akua and ... Kahula...

Basically, what I want to say, is that there is a very strong chance that Tsukune's group reinforcements (in the form of Gin, Haiji, Kokoa, Ling Ling and probably Tohou Fuhai + maybe even the headmaster of Youkai Academy) are going to arrive at the Floating Garden, and they will be the ones, who will deal with the rest of Fairy Tale subdivision leaders + Gyokuro, while Tsukune's group proceeds toward Moka and Akua... most likely having to deal with Kahula on the way, and she might be the one, who Mizore and Kurmu will need to fight with...

Yeah, I also doubt the A Team will be fighting Gairen. Though I'm betting he'll appear again if either Kahlua or Akuha show any sign of dissension. Remember Akasha's promise, that just might get her killed. I'm not too concerned about who fights him, more like when he'll strike next.

And I can't wait for the B Team to arrive, I am so looking forward to Fuhai laying a Dark Lord sized smackdown on Gyokuro for all the evil she's wrought. He's one of the few people who actually could defeat her. As for the Masked King, I doubt he'll be defeated here, especially since as you've already pointed out, he's not even at the Floating Gardens. He may wind up being the main antagonist for the group's final year at school, when they must stop the madman from bending the whole world to his will. Anyway, can't wait for the next chapter.

Tachibana
2012-01-01, 09:54
The only person who should have the pleasure of smacking Gyokuro down is Akasha :)

haegar
2012-01-01, 11:22
"pleasure of smacking gyokuro" ... don't be so innuendo style after posting that pic or I'll have to go n search for doujins...:heh:

Tachibana
2012-01-01, 11:50
You KNOW that pic looked good :D

haegar
2012-01-01, 14:16
y yes, why else should it entice me to search for doujins of her :heh:

btw, sry pic was cookieworthy, but none for you atm :P

Xagzan
2012-01-01, 14:47
Gyokuro doujins? Do want. Especially involving her in a battle for "dominance" with Akasha... *drool*

Doubt it will happen though :(

Tachibana
2012-01-01, 15:38
Yall won't find any doujins like that, they'll only involve, Moka (both), Kurumu, Yukari, Ruby, Mizore and Kokoa.

usspaul
2012-01-01, 15:44
i would love to see some doujins that feature Kahlua Gyokuro and Akasha ones lol

Johnny
2012-01-01, 15:45
I wouldn't count out any Alucard tentacle stuff though. No clue why, but some people like that and there are some tentacle stuff in a couple of Rosario ones if I remember correctly...

Don't think there are any sole yuri ones though. Maybe something along the lines of a threesome or foursome with Tsukune though. It's been awhile since I payed homage to my perverted side, so it's not crystal clear...

Tachibana
2012-01-01, 16:42
I have all the Ura-Moka doujins :naughty:

GrrDraxin
2012-01-01, 17:03
"pleasure of spanking gyokuro" ... don't be so innuendo style after posting that pic or I'll have to go n search for doujins...:heh:

Fixed, heh heh heh.

Gyokuro may be the wenchiest of all wenches, but she's still a "good looking" wench. All that's required is to ignore her faulty personality and that immense brute strength.

Too bad someone doesn't have a device or spell similar to the "Evolution" gun in the Super Mario movie, except instead of following their original path of such, it should have a cross-species mutation add-on so if Gyoukuro or whomever else gets shot with it will "devolve" into normal humans, since most youkai seem to believe humans are beneath them on such a scale. Then we can watch them go into an emo freakout and try to change back, or commit suicide. This would be hardest on vampires, especially the really prideful ones. (Moka included) Though, I'm torn between seeing it as a really funny thing to watch, or really depressing...

Yorae_paladin1
2012-01-01, 17:17
Fixed, heh heh heh.

Gyokuro may be the wenchiest of all wenches, but she's still a "good looking" wench. All that's required is to ignore her faulty personality and that immense brute strength.

Too bad someone doesn't have a device or spell similar to the "Evolution" gun in the Super Mario movie, except instead of following their original path of such, it should have a cross-species mutation add-on so if Gyoukuro or whomever else gets shot with it will "devolve" into normal humans, since most youkai seem to believe humans are beneath them on such a scale. Then we can watch them go into an emo freakout and try to change back, or commit suicide. This would be hardest on vampires, especially the really prideful ones. (Moka included) Though, I'm torn between seeing it as a really funny thing to watch, or really depressing...

Nah no need to make em human they do not deserve that (fairy tale) use the normal function of devolution gun and see Gyokuro reduced to a tiny bat then we stomp her and stomp her again and again.

Sides i got three words that will cool down fairy tale from warhammer 40k those are imperium of man what yokai will not mess with

Xagzan
2012-01-01, 17:44
Fixed, heh heh heh.

Gyokuro may be the wenchiest of all wenches, but she's still a "good looking" wench. All that's required is to ignore her faulty personality and that immense brute strength.



Wait, I'm with you on personality, but god why would you want to ignore that strength? Both women, full power, going at each other with fierce brutality--:love:

Ahh, but all the RV doujin are of the girls, and there aren't many even of them.

Wonderful fix you made, though ;)

Tachibana
2012-01-01, 17:59
*cough* Akasha's battle undergarments *cough*

GrrDraxin
2012-01-01, 18:48
Nah no need to make em human they do not deserve that (fairy tale) use the normal function of devolution gun and see Gyokuro reduced to a tiny bat then we stomp her and stomp her again and again.

Sides i got three words that will cool down fairy tale from warhammer 40k those are imperium of man what yokai will not mess with

Sounds like you'd pull an Ozzy and bite her head off just for show, thinking it was a rubber bat but finding out otherwise.

Wait, I'm with you on personality, but god why would you want to ignore that strength? Both women, full power, going at each other with fierce brutality--:love:

Ahh, but all the RV doujin are of the girls, and there aren't many even of them.

Wonderful fix you made, though ;)Well, I say that because when you're taking her to bed (let us imagine that for a second) it would be quite awful if she crushes your pelvis into dust while doing the wild thing. Forget her suffocating you to death by squeezing you with those legs, she'd grind you into powder with that strength... Unless you can do the same to her.

And yes, I like my fix too, heh heh heh.

*cough* Akasha's battle undergarments *cough*Yes, those too. Never would have thought Akasha had those kinds of tastes. Kinda explains Moka's collar, as well why Moka doesn't have any other full blooded brothers or sisters born to Akasha... Issa was probably the only man who could handle Akasha's wild side when she completely cut loose. I bet Fuhai and Mikogami might have been a little weary of Akasha when they discovered that side of her.

Tachibana
2012-01-01, 20:37
Yes, those too. Never would have thought Akasha had those kinds of tastes. Kinda explains Moka's collar, as well why Moka doesn't have any other full blooded brothers or sisters born to Akasha... Issa was probably the only man who could handle Akasha's wild side when she completely cut loose. I bet Fuhai and Mikogami might have been a little weary of Akasha when they discovered that side of her.

I'm hoping Tsukune will discover Akasha's wild side as well, sometime in the future, hopefully :D

Tempest35
2012-01-01, 21:46
Heh heh, maybe that's why Touhou Fuhai prefers 2D women - Akasha forever scared/scarred him of real women. XD

You guys brought this upon yourselves... :p

~*~

*SMACK*

Akasha: "That is pathetic! Can't you keep it up longer!?"

Fuhai: "Akasha! I've kept going for the past 15 hours straight! Give me a break to - "

*SMACK SMACK*

Akasha: "No breaks! Not until I am competely satisfied with your performance, which at this rate, will be another 15 hours!!"

Fuhai: "A-Akasha!! That's impossible!!"

Akasha: "No 'buts', now get to it!" *cracks her whip again* :frustrated:

Fuhai: "You...you insatiable MONSTER!!!" :upset:

Akasha: "O-hohohohohohohoho~!! Harder! Faster! Make me feel it!"

~*~

Tsukune: 0.0...Somehow, this seems a LOT worse with just the audio playing back instead of watching the events...like a Drama CD...

Moka: *shakes head* I don't think I even want to watch what was happening...

*sounds of the whip cracking and Fuhai yowling*

Fuhai: *cringes with each cracking of the whip* Ugh, those days were horrible!!

Rubi: *positively in heaven* Aaaah~ the strength behind that whip~! The piercing cries~

Kurumu: -.- Something is DEFINITELY wrong with you...

Mizore: ... I'd prefer it if it was his hand directly...

Kurumu: Not you too!?

Akasha: Ahh, I remember that. I had to train both Fuhai and Mikogami's stamina quite a bit, sometimes both at once just so they can get use to the strain of constant release...

All Girls: *BLUSH*

Moka: *beet red* Couldn't you have worded that differently Mother!?

Akasha: Eh? Why? What do you mean?

Moka: ....:twitch:

Akasha: Hnnn... *looks Tsukune over* While you do have a great deal of strength training, you can use a bit more. *smiles* What do you think? Would you like to go through the training, Tsukune-kun?

Tsukune: *mentally pictures Akasha in dominatrix wear, whipping him over and over* ... Um... ahh...*half his mind is stuck on the image of Akasha in dominatrix wear, the other on the fact that she's whipping him* ...

Moka: NO! Don't you dare, Mother!

Akasha: *pouts* Awww~ *suddenly brightens* I know! *claps hands together* I'll teach you how to adminster the Shinso Training properly! The results are much much better when done between a couple!

All: NANI!?!?

Tsukune: ...*mental picture of Akasha is swapped for Moka* 0.0 "Now I REALLY don't want to go through with it!

Moka: Tsukune! You would consider my mother doing it to you, but not me!?!?

Tsukune: That's not what I meant!!!

Xagzan
2012-01-02, 00:03
Sounds like you'd pull an Ozzy and bite her head off just for show, thinking it was a rubber bat but finding out otherwise.

Well, I say that because when you're taking her to bed (let us imagine that for a second)

Oh my, that's a bit too much to imagine right before going out :heh:

Ah, never mind. It's never a bad time to imagine such things.

it would be quite awful if she crushes your pelvis into dust while doing the wild thing. Forget her suffocating you to death by squeezing you with those legs, she'd grind you into powder with that strength...

But still, what a lovely way to go, huh?

Tachibana
2012-01-02, 00:07
Heh heh, maybe that's why Touhou Fuhai prefers 2D women - Akasha forever scared/scarred him of real women. XD

You guys brought this upon yourselves... :p

~*~

*SMACK*

Akasha: "That is pathetic! Can't you keep it up longer!?"

Fuhai: "Akasha! I've kept going for the past 15 hours straight! Give me a break to - "

*SMACK SMACK*

Akasha: "No breaks! Not until I am competely satisfied with your performance, which at this rate, will be another 15 hours!!"

Fuhai: "A-Akasha!! That's impossible!!"

Akasha: "No 'buts', now get to it!" *cracks her whip again* :frustrated:

Fuhai: "You...you insatiable MONSTER!!!" :upset:

Akasha: "O-hohohohohohohoho~!! Harder! Faster! Make me feel it!"

~*~

Tsukune: 0.0...Somehow, this seems a LOT worse with just the audio playing back instead of watching the events...like a Drama CD...

Moka: *shakes head* I don't think I even want to watch what was happening...

*sounds of the whip cracking and Fuhai yowling*

Fuhai: *cringes with each cracking of the whip* Ugh, those days were horrible!!

Rubi: *positively in heaven* Aaaah~ the strength behind that whip~! The piercing cries~

Kurumu: -.- Something is DEFINITELY wrong with you...

Mizore: ... I'd prefer it if it was his hand directly...

Kurumu: Not you too!?

Akasha: Ahh, I remember that. I had to train both Fuhai and Mikogami's stamina quite a bit, sometimes both at once just so they can get use to the strain of constant release...

All Girls: *BLUSH*

Moka: *beet red* Couldn't you have worded that differently Mother!?

Akasha: Eh? Why? What do you mean?

Moka: ....:twitch:

Akasha: Hnnn... *looks Tsukune over* While you do have a great deal of strength training, you can use a bit more. *smiles* What do you think? Would you like to go through the training, Tsukune-kun?

Tsukune: *mentally pictures Akasha in dominatrix wear, whipping him over and over* ... Um... ahh...*half his mind is stuck on the image of Akasha in dominatrix wear, the other on the fact that she's whipping him* ...

Moka: NO! Don't you dare, Mother!

Akasha: *pouts* Awww~ *suddenly brightens* I know! *claps hands together* I'll teach you how to adminster the Shinso Training properly! The results are much much better when done between a couple!

All: NANI!?!?

Tsukune: ...*mental picture of Akasha is swapped for Moka* 0.0 "Now I REALLY don't want to go through with it!

Moka: Tsukune! You would consider my mother doing it to you, but not me!?!?

Tsukune: That's not what I meant!!!

We definitely need another Akasha X Tsukune fanfic :)

Chris38
2012-01-02, 04:27
Man that was a pretty funny scene Tempest, you really are pretty skilled at making people laugh :D

As for the Gyokuro and Akasha "strength" bit, well any vampire women is most likely like that, which is why they need to find "strong men" that will be able to withstand their strength.

Of course, the same can be said about vampire male's and people who have vampire blood in their veins, like Tsukune does...

After all, I'm quite certain that, at the moment Tsukune would also be capable of pulverizing someone to dust, if he isn't careful, and I'm quite certain that he would have some difficulties in keeping his strength in check during the "act"... :p

It's one of the reasons, why I still think that the most likely person that Tsukune is going to end up with is Moka, despite the recent developments with the other girls in Tsukune's harem,since I doubt any of the other girls in his harem can withstand the full strength of a Shinso vampire (even if, Tsukune theoretically speaking, isn't one, I have no doubts that, at the end of his transformation Tsukune's strength is going to be equal to the strength of a "ordinary" Shinso vampire - and maybe even beyond that, considering the fact, that Tsukune had been compared to Alucard).

Tempest35
2012-01-02, 12:50
I think that Fuhai was commenting on how similar Tsukune's awakened power felt to Alucard's, and not the amount of power behind it... definitely can't be the amount of power behind it...:heh:

Tachibana
2012-01-02, 13:56
I think that Fuhai was commenting on how similar Tsukune's awakened power felt to Alucard's, and not the amount of power behind it... definitely can't be the amount of power behind it...:heh:

Well, regardless of the amount of power, Tsukune has inherited Akasha's Shinso blood, so i guess we will just have to wait and see how strong he really is next time his Shinso blood reawakens, thats going to be very exciting :D

haegar
2012-01-02, 14:08
After all, I'm quite certain that, at the moment Tsukune would also be capable of pulverizing someone to dust, if he isn't careful, and I'm quite certain that he would have some difficulties in keeping his strength in check during the "act"... :p

that soo brings back bad memories of bad smallville eps of clark tapping a kryptonian empowered lana and everybody else experiencing a major earthquake :heh:

...

the crap I used to watch years back... smh.

Franckie
2012-01-02, 15:15
For some reason I can't help but think the Masked King will turn out to be someone like Tobi or Aizen. Besides being responsible for the conflicts in China and with Fairy Tale, he could also be held responsible for other major events such as the events that led to Alucard's corruption and imprisonment. I'll imagine he'll be responsible for future conflicts such as when Moku's father makes his official debut and possibly even attempting to corrupt Tsukune.

I think that Fuhai was commenting on how similar Tsukune's awakened power felt to Alucard's, and not the amount of power behind it... definitely can't be the amount of power behind it...:heh:

Not sure how people could confuse the two. Alucard is only as powerful as he is with the Shinso power he wields on top of all the Youkai he absorbed in the past. Alucard will probably remain unsurpassed as far as sheer power is concerned. He is a one-of-a-kind beast. That doesn't mean others can't produce the "evilness" that his aura wreaks of as Tsukune's and Hokuto's auras do, however.

haegar
2012-01-02, 16:13
I am rather curious about him too, but I think it rly is way to early to speculate about that guy presumably pulling the strings in the background. I doubt he is all powerfull, otherwise he could have toppled the reign of the big three ages ago. I think there is a small chance we get an evil surprise and it's Dad - maybe somebody messed with Issa somehow or he played em all, I dunno. I rly would like to spare Moka such an experience but I find it suspcious that his whereabouts are still such a mystery. Even if the masked guy's identity is not as bad a surprise I wouldnt be surprised if much of what transpires nowadays sprang of that unhealthy triangle between Akasha Gyokoru and Issa and this one somehow was likewise involved in all that. Maybe he's the guy Gyokuro turned to once Issa turned to Akasha, and maybe she made a bad choice that hence has rubbed of on her ...

I am forgetting the old Fuhai though - there might be something to the fact he dislikes him with such relish ...

Tachibana
2012-01-02, 17:05
I wonder if this "Masked King" is responsible for sending Akua to the Shuzen house, she was living with the Miao family before being sent to the Shuzen family, in fact its even possible that this person corrupted Akua with all that bullcrap about destroying the world and being Alucard's legacy and such, i originally believe Gyokuro could have possibly done something like that, but if something like this were to turn out to be the case, it would make more sense for the Masked King to have set Akua up like that.

kenjiharima
2012-01-02, 23:19
Something interesting...

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/364/3/7/gyokuro_shuzen_by_sandertulk-d4kpqka.jpg

Ohhh Yeah! Now that's what the new year should bring always something GOOD! :naughty:

Masked villain....meh

Alhazad2003
2012-01-03, 04:07
I am rather curious about him too, but I think it rly is way to early to speculate about that guy presumably pulling the strings in the background. I doubt he is all powerfull, otherwise he could have toppled the reign of the big three ages ago. I think there is a small chance we get an evil surprise and it's Dad - maybe somebody messed with Issa somehow or he played em all, I dunno. I rly would like to spare Moka such an experience but I find it suspcious that his whereabouts are still such a mystery. Even if the masked guy's identity is not as bad a surprise I wouldnt be surprised if much of what transpires nowadays sprang of that unhealthy triangle between Akasha Gyokoru and Issa and this one somehow was likewise involved in all that. Maybe he's the guy Gyokuro turned to once Issa turned to Akasha, and maybe she made a bad choice that hence has rubbed of on her ...

I am forgetting the old Fuhai though - there might be something to the fact he dislikes him with such relish ...

I'd be shocked if that was Issa behind the mask, and I know Moka would be as well. Though somehow, I find it a bit unlikely. The theory that Gyokuro turned to him because she was losing Issa to the "other woman" sounds a lot more plausible. Though destroying her own ancestral home? Sounds a bit iffy to me.

I wonder if this "Masked King" is responsible for sending Akua to the Shuzen house, she was living with the Miao family before being sent to the Shuzen family, in fact its even possible that this person corrupted Akua with all that bullcrap about destroying the world and being Alucard's legacy and such, i originally believe Gyokuro could have possibly done something like that, but if something like this were to turn out to be the case, it would make more sense for the Masked King to have set Akua up like that.

That sounds very plausible. And if that's the case, I'm betting it was Sai-Lung's father who put a bounty on her head after she fled China, yet another reason he was dismembered by the masked megalomaniac. And I'm certain he's the one who taught Akuha the Jigentou as a surefire means of killing Akasha. Could that be why he hates Fuhai, because he "stole" his technique?

I'm thinking the Masked King sought out Alucard's daughter in order to produce a powerful heir, but Issa got to her first, and Akuha was the result. Then again, it's possible he's the one who led Issa to her, wouldn't that be ironic.

However, I want Gyokuro and her followers to be cast down, not redeemed. Blaming everything on the Masked King seems a bit cliche. They're not puppets, they have their own thoughts, desires, and agendas. At least that's how I'm hoping it'll be. Can't wait for the next installment at the end of the month, maybe he's releasing them every four weeks so there'll be thirteen issues a year rather than twelve. Could be. Until then...

Tachibana
2012-01-03, 08:12
That sounds very plausible. And if that's the case, I'm betting it was Sai-Lung's father who put a bounty on her head after she fled China, yet another reason he was dismembered by the masked megalomaniac. And I'm certain he's the one who taught Akuha the Jigentou as a surefire means of killing Akasha. Could that be why he hates Fuhai, because he "stole" his technique?

I'm thinking the Masked King sought out Alucard's daughter in order to produce a powerful heir, but Issa got to her first, and Akuha was the result. Then again, it's possible he's the one who led Issa to her, wouldn't that be ironic.

However, I want Gyokuro and her followers to be cast down, not redeemed. Blaming everything on the Masked King seems a bit cliche. They're not puppets, they have their own thoughts, desires, and agendas. At least that's how I'm hoping it'll be. Can't wait for the next installment at the end of the month, maybe he's releasing them every four weeks so there'll be thirteen issues a year rather than twelve. Could be. Until then...

I just can't help but get the impression that someone has corrupted Akua greatly, i bet if Akua didn't know about her grandfather Alucard, then she would have probably grown up into a normal typical vampire, but in the past she has had a lot of doubts about what shes doing, she has even shed tears and yet she still does it, which can be one of the many signs that shows shes been possibly corrupted by someone, that Masked King being that someone would make a whole lot of sense, he might of even been the one to train Akua from when she was a child into a ruthless killer, its like ive said in the past i hope Tsukune will knock some sense into her, and if shes truly been corrupted, than he might be able to do something about her.

About her learning the Jigen-Tou, she said she did research on the technique in order to learn it, so its probably safe to say that Akua learned it all on her own.

As for Gyokuro and her followers, i agree with you, let them fall they're all fools anyway, most of which are all weak yokai who use human weaponry, the only people i care about seeing redeemed is Akua and Kahlua, but what i find really amusing is Gyokuro's lack of vampire support and followers, thats just funny. :heh:

haegar
2012-01-03, 08:46
Well, Akua and Kahlua are her vampire support :heh: And it's not like there are that many vampires around, at least I didn't have the impression, personaly ...

@ Allhazad, just because the masked guy is pulling the strings behind the scene does not take individual choices from the others - it is just that the way he is introduced feels like some twist coming up that will reveal some people have been somehow influenced in the way they think and act or actedin the past - and tbh we knew it wasn't all black and white with Fairy Tail right from the getgo and that there is more than one faction at work. It is just that subdivison #1 and gyokoru playing their intrigues against each other would work very much in favour of a third faction in the background - and that might very well be him and whoever is with him ... as I said, atm its all blind speculating with him just having appeared...

Tempest35
2012-01-03, 12:22
Well, if Akua is the decendant of Alucard...so too could be the Masked King...*shrugs* I mean its got a lot more in common with Alucard that anything else that we've seen so far - tentacles n all.

Tachibana
2012-01-03, 13:04
For those that don't know, Akua is actually Alucard's granddaughter :)

haegar
2012-01-03, 14:26
since we were speaking about his tentacles, I also note the observation devices 'tubes' that go through all of the islanf strangely resemble that guy's tentacles. Since there were those eggs before, I wonder, maybe within the floating base one of them hatched those things and this has to do with his abilities? Something he left for Gyokoru to even better use her sensing ability? maybe something with which he can see what she sees? Might of course be totally unrelated ...

Cio
2012-01-04, 04:38
Merchandise Update.

Kurumu 1/8
by: OrchidSeed

http://www.orchidseed.co.jp/contents/109kuro/

-- Image Cut --

Gotta love Kurumu man this is one of the best figures of the R+V merchandise.

Wonder where is our Kurumu lover gone to this holiday season?
:heh:

Hahaha :heh: I always late nowadays >.<

I agree, this is also the best Kurumu's figure, her face were perfect, love her eyehair below her eyes.

kenjiharima
2012-01-04, 04:55
Hahaha :heh: I always late nowadays >.<

I agree, this is also the best Kurumu's figure, her face were perfect, love her eyehair below her eyes.

lol there he is our Kurumu lover! :D

True gotta love the detail on her, this figure was given alot of attention and love. :heh: :naughty:

Merilyn Mensola
2012-01-04, 05:21
I wonder if this "Masked King" is responsible for sending Akua to the Shuzen house, she was living with the Miao family before being sent to the Shuzen family, in fact its even possible that this person corrupted Akua with all that bullcrap about destroying the world and being Alucard's legacy and such, i originally believe Gyokuro could have possibly done something like that, but if something like this were to turn out to be the case, it would make more sense for the Masked King to have set Akua up like that.

This is a nice speculation...i wonder about it,is like she was manipulated, and became like this..


Something interesting...

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/364/3/7/gyokuro_shuzen_by_sandertulk-d4kpqka.jpg

Hoooo Shoot!

I like too much her style!...she is a villain, but,she has style!:naughty:.

It was a nice fight, i'm glad that Fong Fong has show his true power, for save Yucari.

So, the bastard masked is the one that started everything.., and he want to control the world, i wonder if he know that when Alucard will awaken, he could be a possible target, maybe he know how to control Alucard?

Just one note, I think that in this current Arc i start to see the development of couples that are creating by Ikeda, even if all girls love Tsukune, i can see it

Tsukune-Moka- Kurumu-Ginei- Fong Fong-Yukari...

HayashiTakara
2012-01-04, 15:50
Merchandise Update.

Kurumu 1/8
by: OrchidSeed

http://www.orchidseed.co.jp/contents/109kuro/

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Gotta love Kurumu man this is one of the best figures of the R+V merchandise.

How did I miss this? it's so hot! It's too bad I don't buy figurines... But lol at the age recommendation is 15 and up XD

Tachibana
2012-01-06, 13:35
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/005/6/c/ruby_san_again_by_bezik7124-d4ledkr.jpg

Merilyn Mensola
2012-01-06, 14:08
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/005/6/c/ruby_san_again_by_bezik7124-d4ledkr.jpg


Hoooooooo shoooot!!!!!!

Nice!!!!!! 10/10

Awesome......

I don't have any word to describe this!

Tachibana
2012-01-06, 14:52
Your welcome :)

Random something. In the english dub of R+V SII, the part where all the girls are rubbing their breasts on Tsukune and then Ura-Moka joins in, before she does she says: "I want some of this action too!" :heh:

Phoenix6000
2012-01-07, 02:10
Anyone else pick up Volume 7 yet? I got mine on Tuesday.

Merilyn Mensola
2012-01-07, 04:19
Your welcome :)

Random something. In the english dub of R+V SII, the part where all the girls are rubbing their breasts on Tsukune and then Ura-Moka joins in, before she does she says: "I want some of this action too!" :heh:


Hhahah..yes, yes..i remember very well...:naughty::heh:

You make this picture?

However..rep+

i like it too much...maybe, i can use it,as a screensaver for my Mac...if my girlfriend doesn't killing me:heh:

Alhazad2003
2012-01-07, 04:53
Your welcome :)

Random something. In the english dub of R+V SII, the part where all the girls are rubbing their breasts on Tsukune and then Ura-Moka joins in, before she does she says: "I want some of this action too!" :heh:

One of my favorite Ura-chan scenes, it's just priceless. :heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh: Especially the dialogue.

"Let me join in, too."

"Is it like, um, like this?"

"It looks kinda difficult."

Easily her funniest scene in the whole anime.

BTW, did they keep her lines somewhat intact? Just curious, mind you.

Tachibana
2012-01-07, 07:37
Yeah, her lines are different in japanese, but they also sound great in english dub, the voice actor Alexis Tipton really did a nice job for Both Moka's english voices. :)

haegar
2012-01-07, 07:57
Your welcome :)

Random something. In the english dub of R+V SII, the part where all the girls are rubbing their breasts on Tsukune and then Ura-Moka joins in, before she does she says: "I want some of this action too!" :heh:

this scene is viking approved. :D

Tempest35
2012-01-08, 04:44
.... >.< .... maybe I can just play the audio and not have to watch the actual show... :heh:

So what did Tsukune get for Moka for Christmas...? :cool:

Tachibana
2012-01-08, 10:34
.... >.< .... maybe I can just play the audio and not have to watch the actual show... :heh:

So what did Tsukune get for Moka for Christmas...? :cool:

What did i get Moka-chan? hehehe she loves what i gave her :naughty:

Another topic, i just got volume 7 of season II, Akua's name has been spelt "Aqua" in the manga by viz, though the girls names in the Shuzen family are all puns for drinks with the exception of Akasha, Akasha's name is a sanskrit name, however each one of their names have a japanese meaning.

"Moka" means "Bud Fragrance", possible reference to either her sweet smell or her attraction to the smell of Tsukune's blood.
"Kokoa" means "Beloved", possible reference of her love for Moka.
"Kahlua" means "Cutting Love" or "Phenomenon", the "cutting love" part could be a reference to her loving/brutal nature, the "phenomenon" part could be related to her bizarre childlike nature.
"Akua" means "asian love", possible reference to her love for Moka.

haegar
2012-01-08, 11:51
I don't think this makes me like Viz transcatastrophes any more than before ...

Tachibana
2012-01-08, 13:00
I don't think this makes me like Viz transcatastrophes any more than before ...

Well, i have gotten used to how Viz translates manga, so for me i really don't mind it, but it can get annoying sometimes...

DragoZERO
2012-01-09, 17:54
It's worth the new color spreads that are in the beginning of each volume. Volume seven's is :love:

Xagzan
2012-01-09, 21:32
New color spread in vol 7? What's it of?

GrimJack
2012-01-09, 22:28
New color spread in vol 7? What's it of?

the colour page of inner Moka looking at her reflection (outer moka)

Alhazad2003
2012-01-10, 06:22
Sweet, that's such a great picture, Omote stuck behind the mirror instead of Ura-chan, for a change. Thankfully it wasn't permanent, but it made for such an awesome piece. I wonder what they'll have for the following volumes? Can't wait to find out myself. Until then...

Tachibana
2012-01-10, 09:47
I have found two more sexy Gyokuro pictures, but i cannot post them here, however you can search for them at deviantart. :)

Xagzan
2012-01-10, 10:38
Haha, they are quite good. Awful lot of AizenxGyokuro pics though :confused: Guess that's the new crack pairing.

Tachibana
2012-01-10, 10:48
Haha, they are quite good. Awful lot of AizenxGyokuro pics though :confused: Guess that's the new crack pairing.

I guess so, but i wanna know what shes going to do to Tsukune, when she finds him. :p

Thats an idea for a fanfic. :)

Alhazad2003
2012-01-10, 17:36
Haha, they are quite good. Awful lot of AizenxGyokuro pics though :confused: Guess that's the new crack pairing.

Yes, like minds think alike, don't they? :rolleyes:

I guess so, but i wanna know what shes going to do to Tsukune, when she finds him. :p

Thats an idea for a fanfic. :)

I'm guessing she might think of him as a potential replacement for Issa, so she might consider trying to woo him to her side, offering he'd rule half the world with her, or something along those lines. God luck with that plan, not to mention trying to control Alucard as well, if it even can be done. :rolleyes: Yes, radicals rarely see the flaws in their logic and plans, it's one reason they inevitably fail. :D Can't wait for the next chapter.

kenjiharima
2012-01-10, 19:01
@GrimJack

man your R+V sig is epic! :D

Tachibana
2012-01-10, 19:48
I'm guessing she might think of him as a potential replacement for Issa, so she might consider trying to woo him to her side, offering he'd rule half the world with her, or something along those lines. God luck with that plan, not to mention trying to control Alucard as well, if it even can be done. :rolleyes: Yes, radicals rarely see the flaws in their logic and plans, it's one reason they inevitably fail. :D Can't wait for the next chapter.

You know Tsukune's "the man" when he can even get sexy evil women to say his name so fondly. :cool:

Xagzan
2012-01-10, 21:46
Yes, like minds think alike, don't they? :rolleyes:

It's kind of hard to say she's like Aizen though, since we don't know much about her yet.


I'm guessing she might think of him as a potential replacement for Issa, so she might consider trying to woo him to her side, offering he'd rule half the world with her, or something along those lines. God luck with that plan, not to mention trying to control Alucard as well, if it even can be done. :rolleyes: Yes, radicals rarely see the flaws in their logic and plans, it's one reason they inevitably fail. :D Can't wait for the next chapter.

Oh, I don't know. He is human don't forget, and I can't imagine Gyokuro is too crazy about them. In addition, our fantasies aside, she is still quite a bit older than him, so I doubt she'd want him to replace Issa in that regard :heh:

Tachibana
2012-01-10, 21:54
Oh, I don't know. He is human don't forget, and I can't imagine Gyokuro is too crazy about them. In addition, our fantasies aside, she is still quite a bit older than him, so I doubt she'd want him to replace Issa in that regard :heh:

Gyokuro could "torture" Tsukune :heh:

Judging from what Miyabi and Gyokuro discussed about him, she had said his name seductively, so he will probably impress her, even after learning of his human origins.

Xagzan
2012-01-10, 22:56
Gyokuro could "torture" Tsukune :heh:

Judging from what Miyabi and Gyokuro discussed about him, she had said his name seductively, so he will probably impress her, even after learning of his human origins.

Sure hope Tsukune has a masochist side to him then :heh:

But really, from what we've seen of her, she seems like a person who just says things seductively in general.

GrimJack
2012-01-10, 23:07
@GrimJack

man your R+V sig is epic! :D

Thanks wondering what to do when the next volume comes out :p right now it is just right!

Merilyn Mensola
2012-01-11, 08:51
I have found two more sexy Gyokuro pictures, but i cannot post them here, however you can search for them at deviantart. :)

:D:D:naughty::naughty::love::love:..this is my comment!


Gyokuro could "torture" Tsukune :heh:

Judging from what Miyabi and Gyokuro discussed about him, she had said his name seductively, so he will probably impress her, even after learning of his human origins.

Well..if i was Tsukune..i was the one that could torture her:heh::heh:

But is interesting..maybe she take Tsukune....revange for her past...

Tempest35
2012-01-11, 18:02
>.> ... I am stubbornly refusing to give in and write up a quickie about Gyokuro and Tsukune ... :p

Tachibana
2012-01-11, 19:19
>.> ... I am stubbornly refusing to give in and write up a quickie about Gyokuro and Tsukune ... :p

You know you want to... DERP!

We don't have one of those fanfics yet. :p

Xagzan
2012-01-11, 19:44
>.> ... I am stubbornly refusing to give in and write up a quickie about Gyokuro and Tsukune ... :p

Give in, man. It'll feel good.

You know you want to... DERP!

We don't have one of those fanfics yet. :p

Actually I don't think there's even a Tsukune x Kahlua fic on FF.net, last I checked.

Tachibana
2012-01-11, 20:13
Actually I don't think there's even a Tsukune x Kahlua fic on FF.net, last I checked.

Yeah, that to :(

Tempest35
2012-01-11, 21:55
>.< I can't think of anything beyond one-shot stuff for KahulaxTsukune. I mean, it would have to be completely different circumstances...

Alhazad2003
2012-01-12, 04:59
>.< I can't think of anything beyond one-shot stuff for KahulaxTsukune. I mean, it would have to be completely different circumstances...

Ditto.

As for Tsukune/Gyokuro, that's almost more plausible, almost anyway. Having him join Fairy Tale and becoming the new Prince of Darkness, serious suckage for the world. What'll they do, now that their greatest hope has become their greatest enemy? That would make for an awesome story. :D:D:D:D One can only dream, can't they?

Merilyn Mensola
2012-01-12, 05:41
>.< I can't think of anything beyond one-shot stuff for KahulaxTsukune. I mean, it would have to be completely different circumstances...


:heh::heh::heh:..on the contrary..i can think of everything for every girlsXTsukune in this manga:heh::heh:

GrrDraxin
2012-01-12, 13:57
Thanks wondering what to do when the next volume comes out :p right now it is just right! It'll be fine, you'll just have a slight offset once a new volume is released. So it'll kinda look like the base of a pyramid until after the next volume. After that, you may need to start a 3rd row or just keep adding on until you've reached the allowed horizontal and then vertical pixel maximums for sigs here. If my sig is anything to go by, you should be able to continue with 3 rows.

kenjiharima
2012-01-18, 01:04
The one that drew this has alot of talent.

http://sadpanda.us/images/815034-5X4JJGY.jpg.
http://sadpanda.us/images/815034-5X4JJGY.jpg

Alhazad2003
2012-01-18, 04:31
The one that drew this has alot of talent.

http://sadpanda.us/images/815034-5X4JJGY.jpg.
http://sadpanda.us/images/815034-5X4JJGY.jpg

Very nice, me likes. Ah Omote, hopefully we see you again in the manga soon. Hurry up, Tsukune, the clock is ticking on your one true love!

Shadow5YA
2012-01-18, 10:52
>.< I can't think of anything beyond one-shot stuff for KahulaxTsukune. I mean, it would have to be completely different circumstances...

Or doujins

Tachibana
2012-01-18, 16:05
Or doujins

A Kahlua X Tsukune fanfic to reveal Kahlua's dark pervy side. :naughty:

We have all the girls except KahluaXTsukune and GyokuroXTsukune. :)

@Kenjiharima
Nice post, that pic is really good, whoever the artist is, i credit you. :)

kenjiharima
2012-01-23, 21:59
With alot of raw places and internet storage files being downed by SOPA/PIPA and other shitty bills the congress is working on....

Will we still get our R+VS2 raws and scanlations? Or do we have to have long monthly waits for the licensed ones?

aigomorla
2012-01-23, 22:11
With alot of raw places and internet storage files being downed by SOPA/PIPA ?

uhhh no...

SOPA and PIPA got tos'd out the window b4 it even went on vote.

The main supports all dropped it in fear of not ever getting relected again due to the massive boycoytt GoDaddy got which was HUGH. Much bigger then they ever thought would be possible... which forced GoDaddy to change there sides on SOPA.
(damage was done tho, and GoDaddy Paid hardcore.)

As well as the masses who went in protest threatening congress members of never seeing a next reelection ever again should it pass.

The reason they are down is because once again USA thinks its all mighty and shut down megaupload as well as forced the owners in New Zealand and non US countries to be turned over to US Custody to stand trail. Some aren't even US citizens which is funny.

Expect more drama to come from this.... it means ur not safe ANYWHERE against MPAA / RIAA.

Johnny
2012-01-23, 22:27
To actually answer his question. I doubt it'll have any impact on Rosario...

Tempest35
2012-01-23, 23:03
Have faith in the Net :) - also, Moka will teach them their place should they forget it. :p

aliasxn
2012-01-23, 23:33
Japan and South Korea already told the U.S to fuck off, so I believe scanlations are safe for the moment. Plus I don't think this siege will last long anyway, retaliation could get ugly if they don't back off. So far it's only been petty pranks, but I don't think they want Anonymous to really get serious. Sony for one can't afford another attack on the PSN...

aigomorla
2012-01-23, 23:35
anyhow does anyone know if we finally get to see tsuki get serious with his new powers?

kenjiharima
2012-01-23, 23:47
uhhh no...

SOPA and PIPA got tos'd out the window b4 it even went on vote.

The main supports all dropped it in fear of not ever getting relected again due to the massive boycoytt GoDaddy got which was HUGH. Much bigger then they ever thought would be possible... which forced GoDaddy to change there sides on SOPA.
(damage was done tho, and GoDaddy Paid hardcore.)

As well as the masses who went in protest threatening congress members of never seeing a next reelection ever again should it pass.

The reason they are down is because once again USA thinks its all mighty and shut down megaupload as well as forced the owners in New Zealand and non US countries to be turned over to US Custody to stand trail. Some aren't even US citizens which is funny.

Expect more drama to come from this.... it means ur not safe ANYWHERE against MPAA / RIAA.

Damn it all...


On topic...

Tsukune will probably show more of his powers later when Alicard awakens.

Chris38
2012-01-24, 01:58
If Alucard awakens of course, since it's not 100% confirmed that he is going to awaken, especially considering the fact that, the protagonists have a little chance of fighting against him.

Anyway, I don't see Tsukune using his vampire / youjutsu abilities until his fight with Akua, and unfortunately, it will still take some time, before we get to that fight...

Still, with the introduction of the Masked King behind us, which is in my opinion, the main reason why this arc has considerably slowed down with all of the battle's against the subdivision Fairy Tale leaders, I hope that this arc is going to speed up again...

Anyway, since there is not much time, before the next chapter comes out, what do you think we will see in it...

In my opinion, a large portion of the chapter is going to be spent on Tsukune and the girls that are with him, trying to deal with Yukari's and Fong Fong's situation (which certainly isn't good), and if we go with the predictable route a new Fairy Tale subdivision leader is going to show up, but like I said earlier, I hope that after the introduction of the Masked King Ikeda won't go down the predictable route , and is going to move this arc's story toward the confrontation between Tsukune and Akua, which is definitely going to be more interesting then what we have seen in this arc so far (at least to me).

Alhazad2003
2012-01-24, 09:55
If Alucard awakens of course, since it's not 100% confirmed that he is going to awaken, especially considering the fact that, the protagonists have a little chance of fighting against him.

Anyway, I don't see Tsukune using his vampire / youjutsu abilities until his fight with Akua, and unfortunately, it will still take some time, before we get to that fight...

Still, with the introduction of the Masked King behind us, which is in my opinion, the main reason why this arc has considerably slowed down with all of the battle's against the subdivision Fairy Tale leaders, I hope that this arc is going to speed up again...

Anyway, since there is not much time, before the next chapter comes out, what do you think we will see in it...

In my opinion, a large portion of the chapter is going to be spent on Tsukune and the girls that are with him, trying to deal with Yukari's and Fong Fong's situation (which certainly isn't good), and if we go with the predictable route a new Fairy Tale subdivision leader is going to show up, but like I said earlier, I hope that after the introduction of the Masked King Ikeda won't go down the predictable route , and is going to move this arc's story toward the confrontation between Tsukune and Akua, which is definitely going to be more interesting then what we have seen in this arc so far (at least to me).

Indeed, though they don't have time to deliberate on the issue. If they wait too long, another squad captain- uh, I mean branch leader will ambush them for sure. And at this point, they don't need to kill the group themselves, just stall them long enough for Alucard to fully awaken, then it's game over. The thought of that will probably be what spurns Tsukune forward, and he needs to. Time is running out, on Moka and the world.

Chris38
2012-01-24, 10:40
Indeed, though they don't have time to deliberate on the issue. If they wait too long, another squad captain- uh, I mean branch leader will ambush them for sure. And at this point, they don't need to kill the group themselves, just stall them long enough for Alucard to fully awaken, then it's game over. The thought of that will probably be what spurns Tsukune forward, and he needs to. Time is running out, on Moka and the world.

That's precisely the reason, why I think that Tsukune and the girls that are currently with him are going to separate, with Tsukune going ahead on his own, to save Moka, while the girls go back to help Yukari and Fong Fong.

At the same time reinforcements in the form of Kokoa, Gin, Haiji, Fong Fong's sister + (maybe) Tohou Fuhai are going to arrive to Fairy Tale's headquarters, serving as an distraction that will catch Gyokuro's and the rest of the Fairy Tale's subdivision leader's attention clearing the path for Tsukune, so that he could proceed toward the place where Moka currently is.

After all, I believe that there is a strong possibility that Gyokuro is going to underestimate Tsukune, thinking that Akua is enough to keep Tsukune busy, giving Alucard enough time to resurrect, while Tohou Fuhai could definitely mess up her plans - naturally she will be wrong, since Gyokuro has no idea that Tsukune has trained for an entire month specifically to be capable of defating Akua - something that is most likely going to be pointed out during the Gyokuro - Tohou Fuhai fight that I also think is going to happen in the current arc (since I don't think there is someone else, who would be capable of fighting Gyokuro, because Akasha is still sealed within Alucard, and it hasn't been confirmed that she is actually going to get out of there, in the current arc - although there is a huge chance of that happening, since both Tsukune and Moka need an "instructor" that will teach them how to properly use their Shinso blood...

Anyway, this is how, in my opinion, the plot of the current arc is going to continue developing...

Tachibana
2012-01-24, 16:17
Let's see, Yuuki Gairen and two subdivision leaders left and Sai-Lung and Routier are going to ally with Tsukune's group (YAY! enemies became allies), so Yuuki is the next opponent to have his butt handed to him.

Hopefully next chapter, Fong-Fong, Sai-Lung, Yukari and Routier will get back on their feet to fight and defeat Gairen or unless my idea that its time for reinforcements to arrive and save the others from Yuuki comes into play, only to have Tsukune and the girls proceed further. i'm guessing Mizore and Kurumu will handle the last two leaders and hopefully it will be time for Tsukune Vs. Akua after, unless Kahlua or Miyabi get in Tsukune's way, i don't really see Miyabi doing anything just yet, but as for Kahlua, she might get in his way.

As for that Masked King guy, i guess his opponent will be Touhou, that guy is going to get so owned. :D

Alhazad2003
2012-01-24, 21:34
That's precisely the reason, why I think that Tsukune and the girls that are currently with him are going to separate, with Tsukune going ahead on his own, to save Moka, while the girls go back to help Yukari and Fong Fong.

At the same time reinforcements in the form of Kokoa, Gin, Haiji, Fong Fong's sister + (maybe) Tohou Fuhai are going to arrive to Fairy Tale's headquarters, serving as an distraction that will catch Gyokuro's and the rest of the Fairy Tale's subdivision leader's attention clearing the path for Tsukune, so that he could proceed toward the place where Moka currently is.

After all, I believe that there is a strong possibility that Gyokuro is going to underestimate Tsukune, thinking that Akua is enough to keep Tsukune busy, giving Alucard enough time to resurrect, while Tohou Fuhai could definitely mess up her plans - naturally she will be wrong, since Gyokuro has no idea that Tsukune has trained for an entire month specifically to be capable of defating Akua - something that is most likely going to be pointed out during the Gyokuro - Tohou Fuhai fight that I also think is going to happen in the current arc (since I don't think there is someone else, who would be capable of fighting Gyokuro, because Akasha is still sealed within Alucard, and it hasn't been confirmed that she is actually going to get out of there, in the current arc - although there is a huge chance of that happening, since both Tsukune and Moka need an "instructor" that will teach them how to properly use their Shinso blood...

Anyway, this is how, in my opinion, the plot of the current arc is going to continue developing...

That would sound about accurate in my book. The B Team needs to arrive, and soon. And I'm sure Touhou will be with them, especially after what they did to his family. And as you said, there's currently no one else who could possibly defeat Gyokuro, which needs to happen for everyone involved.

Unfortunately, their presence will fit exactly into Miyabe and Hokuto's plans. I hope Touhou's prepared for the inevitable double-cross at the end. Cross that, I hope Tsukune's prepared for it, since it's bound to happen. Only then will we know Miyabe's true objective, and whether it conflicts the Masked King's goal.

Let's see, Yuuki Gairen and two subdivision leaders left and Sai-Lung and Routier are going to ally with Tsukune's group (YAY! enemies became allies), so Yuuki is the next opponent to have his butt handed to him.

Hopefully next chapter, Fong-Fong, Sai-Lung, Yukari and Routier will get back on their feet to fight and defeat Gairen or unless my idea that its time for reinforcements to arrive and save the others from Yuuki comes into play, only to have Tsukune and the girls proceed further. i'm guessing Mizore and Kurumu will handle the last two leaders and hopefully it will be time for Tsukune Vs. Akua after, unless Kahlua or Miyabi get in Tsukune's way, i don't really see Miyabi doing anything just yet, but as for Kahlua, she might get in his way.

As for that Masked King guy, i guess his opponent will be Touhou, that guy is going to get so owned. :D

I have the feeling Gairen won't be fighting them, especially at this juncture. And since he only appeared when Sai-Lung appeared to have a "change of heart," I get the impression he's more of an enforcer who crushes any semblance of dissension within the organization. Not to mention with Alucard awakening, he and his brethren don't really need to kill the group themselves. Just stall them long enough and it's game over.

More probably, I'd say the A Team will encounter either the bearded youkai or the masked swordsman, the only two subdivision leaders to make an appearance. Hopefully the B Team will arrive then, or they'll be in a real pickle then. Though we'll find out in another couple of weeks. Until then...

Chris38
2012-01-25, 01:14
Well, if Hokuto and Miyabi's plans involve kidnapping Moka, then I believe that Tsukune is definitely going to snap out of whatever state he's going to be in, when Hokuto, Miyabi and Kiria revel their true colors.

I also agree with you Alhazad2003, about Gairen, since I also find it unlikely that team A or team B will be fighting against him - the most likely option, in my opinion, is that he's going to be defeated, after he appears to "punish" Hokuto, Kiria and Miyabi for their "betrayal" and is going to be defeated by them...

As for the last two Fairy Tale subdivision leaders, I don't think that Tsukune has the time to bother with them, so either they are going to concentrate on team B, due to the presence of Tohou Fuhai, or if they cross paths with team A , the girls (Kurumu and Mizore to be exact, most likely with Ruby's support) are going to be left behind to deal with him (or her), while Tsukune moves ahead - after all, he doesn't have the time to bother how the girls would deal with the next subdivision leader that crosses their path - which is something that is definitely going to be pointed out in the next chapter.

Tachibana
2012-01-25, 09:43
Well, if Hokuto and Miyabi's plans involve kidnapping Moka, then I believe that Tsukune is definitely going to snap out of whatever state he's going to be in, when Hokuto, Miyabi and Kiria revel their true colors.

I also agree with you Alhazad2003, about Gairen, since I also find it unlikely that team A or team B will be fighting against him - the most likely option, in my opinion, is that he's going to be defeated, after he appears to "punish" Hokuto, Kiria and Miyabi for their "betrayal" and is going to be defeated by them...

As for the last two Fairy Tale subdivision leaders, I don't think that Tsukune has the time to bother with them, so either they are going to concentrate on team B, due to the presence of Tohou Fuhai, or if they cross paths with team A , the girls (Kurumu and Mizore to be exact, most likely with Ruby's support) are going to be left behind to deal with him (or her), while Tsukune moves ahead - after all, he doesn't have the time to bother how the girls would deal with the next subdivision leader that crosses their path - which is something that is definitely going to be pointed out in the next chapter.

Well, If Tsukune and the girls don't bother with the other subdivision leaders, that will make Akua's and Tsukune's fight come faster, thad be awesome, i like that kind of twist, but i don't think will get that lucky and besides the girls need to show their growth.

PREDICTION(possibly): Yuuki Gairen gets away believing that he killed Fong-Fong, Sai-Lung, Yukari and Routier, and then Touhou's team arrives just in time to rescue them, elsewhere, Tsukune's remaining team proceeds deeper only to encounter the other two unknown subdivision leaders, while Mizore and Kurumu have their fight with them, Tsukune and Ruby continue down until finally they reach Akua or unless someone else gets in the way, i'm betting that itle either be Miyabi or Kahlua, perhaps it might even be Gyokuro.

I don't know if something like this will happen though, just something i thought up. :)

Alhazad2003
2012-01-25, 22:45
Well, if Hokuto and Miyabi's plans involve kidnapping Moka, then I believe that Tsukune is definitely going to snap out of whatever state he's going to be in, when Hokuto, Miyabi and Kiria revel their true colors.

I also agree with you Alhazad2003, about Gairen, since I also find it unlikely that team A or team B will be fighting against him - the most likely option, in my opinion, is that he's going to be defeated, after he appears to "punish" Hokuto, Kiria and Miyabi for their "betrayal" and is going to be defeated by them...

As for the last two Fairy Tale subdivision leaders, I don't think that Tsukune has the time to bother with them, so either they are going to concentrate on team B, due to the presence of Tohou Fuhai, or if they cross paths with team A , the girls (Kurumu and Mizore to be exact, most likely with Ruby's support) are going to be left behind to deal with him (or her), while Tsukune moves ahead - after all, he doesn't have the time to bother how the girls would deal with the next subdivision leader that crosses their path - which is something that is definitely going to be pointed out in the next chapter.

Well, if Gairen does act as an internal enforcer, I could also see him cutting down Akuha if she turns on Fairy Tale due to her "promise" with Akasha. Though as of yet she's shown no signs of it, and frankly I prefer it that way. It will make her imminent pummeling all the more satisfying. Gairen might try cutting down Kahlua if she turns, but that would put him in hot water with Gyokuro, something I'm sure he'd rather avoid.

Well, If Tsukune and the girls don't bother with the other subdivision leaders, that will make Akua's and Tsukune's fight come faster, thad be awesome, i like that kind of twist, but i don't think will get that lucky and besides the girls need to show their growth.

PREDICTION(possibly): Yuuki Gairen gets away believing that he killed Fong-Fong, Sai-Lung, Yukari and Routier, and then Touhou's team arrives just in time to rescue them, elsewhere, Tsukune's remaining team proceeds deeper only to encounter the other two unknown subdivision leaders, while Mizore and Kurumu have their fight with them, Tsukune and Ruby continue down until finally they reach Akua or unless someone else gets in the way, i'm betting that itle either be Miyabi or Kahlua, perhaps it might even be Gyokuro.

I don't know if something like this will happen though, just something i thought up. :)

Once the other branch leaders are defeated, along with Akuha, I'm sure it'll be then that Gyokuro appears and makes her "proposal" to Tsukune, i.e. ruling half the world with her. Naturally I doubt he'll agree to such a warped deal, for it'll essentially mean sacrificing Moka, which he'll never do. Unless Touhou appears to intercept her, as I doubt Tsukune can possibly defeat her, even with Ura-chan's help. Plus there'll be no time for another battle, for Alucard's awakening would've been all but complete by then. They'll need to escape, or try to before Miyabe intercepts them. Yeah, the worst is yet to come. Until then... [/spoiler]

Chris38
2012-01-26, 02:20
Well, it's pretty obvious that Tsukune won't do anything that would sacrifice Moka, since he loves her.

Anyway, I have been wondering what the current arc is going to bring to the general plot of the story, and for now, I could think that it will be this:

- Introducing a new antagonist that the hero's will need to face in the future (the Masked King) and revving old antagonists that have not given up, despite being defeated earlier (Kiria, Hokuto and Miyabi - who was knocked out by Tsukune in the Yuki Onna village arc, so I think, it could be considered as an "defeat")

- Strengthening the bond between Tsukune and Moka (especially the Inner one), due to the fact that Tsukune has become less human by stabilizing hie vampire transformation (although, I doubt that all the comparability issues between Tsukune's humanity and the Shinso vampire blood in his veins have been resolved by the human modification ritual), and both personalities of Moka know how important Tsukune's humanity is to him (Rosario + Vampire Season I, chapter 11), once again making both personalities of Moka realize that they are more important to Tsukune then the fact that he is (or rather was, since at this point I doubt Tsukune can be considered fully human) a human.

- Making the fact that Moka has injected her blood into a human known to the general vampire population, which is definitely going to make the relations between Tsukune, Moka and the general population of the vampire race a little strained, maybe even turn into open hostility, which could make the general population of vampires the third antagonist (besides the Masked King and the Hokuto - Miyabi - Kiria trio) that the protagonists would need to deal with (my assumption)

- Considerably weakening the Rosario that Moka wears, due to the whole Alucard resurrection ritual, of course assuming that it won't break completely... since the Rosario wasn't in a stable state to begin with and we don't know how much Tohou Fuhai's quick repairs have helped in keeping Moka's seal stable.

- Reviving the whole human - ayashi war if Alucard is going to awaken, if Ikeda actually wants to go into that direction - naturally, I'm assuming that this scenario doesn't have much chances of occurring, but at this point, it still remains a possibility...

And that's all of the developments (that I could think off, at the current point in the story) , that could be brought into the story, as a result of the events in the current arc.

Tachibana
2012-01-26, 10:52
Vampires as an possible future antagonist? They would definitely be in a pickle, but according to Moka in chapter 40 of season I, vampires can love whom ever they please, so i don't really see any problems with that, but a vampire giving their blood to a human, that is where the problem will possibly lie. Hopefully by this time Issa and of course i'm praying so much for Akasha will have made their return to help the love couple out with this mess and of course one day those two will get married and Tsukune will become part of the Shuzen family, which will give him a high noble status amoung vampires, but then again he will have already gained a big reputation especially in the yokai underworld by this time (according to Fong-Fong, Tsukune already has a reputation), so it might cause a lot of yokai to respect him, including vampires.

Whatever challenge Issa gives Tsukune in order to gain his approval to marry Moka, he will pass with flying colors. :)

Chris38
2012-01-27, 01:30
Well, we still don't know what role Issa is going to have in the story, since apart from the flashback to Moka's childhood (which, hasn't revealed much about his character), we haven't seen him appear in the main story, yet - so, at this point I'm a little hesitant to say that Tsukune will pass whatever test Issa gives him...

Still, Tsukune is the only one who is capable of removing Moka's Rosario, which shows that he truly loves Moka and doesn't mean her any harm, which certainly is going to portray him in a positive light...

Sure, vampires are free to love anyone, since that rule is not effective anymore, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that Moka has actually broken another vampire rule, which is not to give her blood to beings from an different race.

After all, why else would Inner Moka think to herself "Tsukune... Forgive Me..." before she injected Tsukune with her blood for the first time, during the fight with Kuyou ?

Of course, it could be because she's feeling responsible for the changes he might undergo due to her blood flowing inside his veins, but we also need to consider Kokoa's reaction once she learned that Moka has injected her blood into Tsukune... she looked surprised - maybe even shocked that her big sis would do something like that...

So yeah, the more I think about it, the more I believe that Tsukune having Moka's blood in his veins, will have more serious consequences, that don't have much to do with the changes that his body undergoes, due to the Shinso blood flowing in his veins.

Tachibana
2012-01-28, 10:37
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/027/7/0/akashiya_moka_by_yumiangelus-d4nu2rz.png

Tempest35
2012-01-28, 23:10
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/027/7/0/akashiya_moka_by_yumiangelus-d4nu2rz.png

So much like her mother, it's scary...and she looks no older than 14 there!! 0.0
...:heh:

leokiko
2012-01-29, 09:42
Are we ever gonna get an anime that is a faithful adaptation to this awesome manga? 'Cuz the main reason why I never gave this a shot before last year was the fact I absolutely hated the anime.

DragoZERO
2012-01-29, 10:04
Are we ever gonna get an anime that is a faithful adaptation to this awesome manga? 'Cuz the main reason why I never gave this a shot before last year was the fact I absolutely hated the anime.
Yeeaahhhh... no. That's a fan's pipe dream.

Tempest35
2012-01-29, 18:46
Personally, I wanted Tsukune to catch that pillar and flick it away and say something like, "Just as he said you'd react..."

Of course, Gyokuro would be all..."...who said that is how I'd react?"

Tsukune smirks and makes a slight bow. "Why, your husband of course, Lord Issa Shuzen."

*imagine's Gyokuro's :twitch: 'Holy s*!' face* ... :D :D :D

Tachibana
2012-01-29, 19:45
I don't really think Tsukune used that much power block the pillar, he still retained a calm demeanor after destroying it, but it was Gyokuro's power behind it that startled him.

Bottom line, this is just the tip of the iceberg to which that is Tsukune's power. :D

GrrDraxin
2012-01-30, 00:52
Personally, I wanted Tsukune to catch that pillar and flick it away and say something like, "Just as he said you'd react..."

Of course, Gyokuro would be all..."...who said that is how I'd react?"

Tsukune smirks and makes a slight bow. "Why, your husband of course, Lord Issa Shuzen."

*imagine's Gyokuro's :twitch: 'Holy s*!' face* ... :D :D :D
That would have been an interesting thing to see.... but only if we got to see what Issa is doing now, if he's still alive and this "Masked King" didn't do to him what he did Sai-Lung's father.

Since the intro of this new antagonist, I think perhaps the chances of Issa being alive have diminished a bit, or his chances of being in hiding are greater if he felt he wasn't a match for this fool that even Gyokuro can't seem to go against.

Chris38
2012-01-30, 02:48
I agree that Tsukune hasn't been serious when he was playing "Catch" with Gyokuro, since at that time he hasn't used anything that could be considered as a way to block the Jigen-tou that is Akua's preferred method of fighting.

After all, he only used the "super" physical strength that vampires have to block and shatter the pillar that was thrown at him - I know that Hokuto implied that he used something else, but until we learn more, I will stick to this assumption.

Personally I doubt we will see Tsukune getting serious until his fight with Akua, where we will finally learn how powerful Tsukune has got, and how stable his vampire abilities are - since, like I said earlier, I doubt that Tsukune has obtained full control over his Shinso blood and the abilities he receives from it.

As for Miyabi, I doubt that they will be fighting against him in the current arc, since he has got a plan off his own that he has made with Hokuto and Kiria, and at the moment Tsukune and the rest of the group are unknowingly putting that plan into motion, so why would he need to fight them - of course, it could be because he doesn't want to reveal his plan prematurely, but if that's the case, he won't need to get serious at all, against Tsukune and the rest of his group, which is going to mean that Tsukune won't need to get serious against him as well... (and actually converse his youkai energy for the fight against Akua)

Speaking of which, there hasn't been anything mentioned on how long it takes for a youkai to recover their youkai energy right ?

Well, since I think that an ayashi's youkai energy has a lot to do with their "physical energy", they need to rest, to be able to recover it, meaning that those who used a lot of their youkai energy in the current fight probably won't be useful anymore, and that Tsukune shouldn't participate in unnecessary fights, even if he has the most of youkai energy, since I amuse he would need to use a lot of it, during his fight with Akua.

Om Nerabdator
2012-01-30, 02:54
I just want them to go back to school where R+V was actually fun to read

marconii2002
2012-02-01, 11:38
Chapter 50 raw is out

Chris38
2012-02-01, 12:05
Ok, remember what I said about unexpected plot twists..
Well they actually happened... IN THIS CHAPTER.

Let's just say that things have turned in an unexpected direction, and I don't have any bloody idea on how Ikeda is going to proceed with the plot...

Anyway, from the looks of it, Tsukune will have a rematch with ...KUYOU (Of course, if that's really him) - and this time he will need to deal with him without Inner Moka's assistance.

Meanwhile, Mizore's and Kurumu's fight also makes an unexpected turn, so looks things are finally getting really interesting...

Merilyn Mensola
2012-02-01, 12:05
Just watch the 50 raw..interesting..spoiler for 50 rawSo, Tsukune and ruby are teleported in a different place..and Kurumu and Mizore have to fight two bad guys..interesting...because one of this guy is one that try to make mizore his wife..but..in the end of this chapter..him protect her...i have to admit that this development is interesting.

Chris38
2012-02-01, 12:28
Hm, after thinking about it, a little bit, I think that putting Tsukune against Kuyou again, is the authors way of showing how much Tsukune has grown, compared to the start of this manga.

At least that's the only reason, why I think Tsukune would be put against Kuyou again.... and in a situation, where he would need to deal with him on his own, since I believe Ruby is still weakened from her fight against Raika, so she most likely isn't in any reasonable condition to be able to fight with such a powerful opponent as Kuyou.

Soji
2012-02-01, 12:32
Hm, after thinking about it, a little bit, I think that putting Tsukune against Kuyou again, is the authors way of showing how much Tsukune has grown, compared to the start of this manga.

At least that's the only reason, why I think Tsukune would be put against Kuyou again.... and in a situation, where he would need to deal with him on his own, since I believe Ruby is still weakened from her fight against Raika, so she most likely isn't in any reasonable condition to be able to fight with such a powerful opponent as Kuyou.

I would never thought to see Kuyou again .That's will be interesting.

Merilyn Mensola
2012-02-01, 12:37
Hm, after thinking about it, a little bit, I think that putting Tsukune against Kuyou again, is the authors way of showing how much Tsukune has grown, compared to the start of this manga.

At least that's the only reason, why I think Tsukune would be put against Kuyou again.... and in a situation, where he would need to deal with him on his own, since I believe Ruby is still weakened from her fight against Raika, so she most likely isn't in any reasonable condition to be able to fight with such a powerful opponent as Kuyou.

for spoilerI agree..i feel the same..would be interesting this re-match...and sincerely, i want to see the real Tsukune strength..but also, i'm interested in the fight between Kurumu and Mizore vs the two bad guys..i wonder because he help her.

Chris38
2012-02-01, 12:48
for spoilerI agree..i feel the same..would be interesting this re-match...and sincerely, i want to see the real Tsukune strength..but also, i'm interested in the fight between Kurumu and Mizore vs the two bad guys..i wonder because he help her.

Miyabi, definitely has some hidden intentions for saving Mizore.

Still, I think this chapter might put to bus, some of the speculations about Hokuto and Kiria working together with Miyabi, unless this is just some giant act to fool Gyokuro... but on the other hand it portrays that Miyabi is the actual "traitor", so I'm actually a little confused about what this whole development brings to the story. :confused:

Personally, I think we should wait for some kind of translation to appear, so that we could better understand, what is actually going on in this chapter, besides the obvious things that you can see just from the pictures... :heh:

On the other hand, I think that this chapter leaves only one Fairy Tale subdivision leader that hasn't been revealed yet, since I'm assuming that this chapter reveals that Kuyou is one of Fairy Tale's subdivision leaders and he certainly qualifies for that position.

Renegade334
2012-02-01, 14:08
Got lazy and ended up not posting screenshots of the chapter when it appeared, but instead I'm bringing raptorfalcon's summary for ch.50. Significant kudos fly out to him, once again.

It's been more than 2 hours since the battle started and they have already had to separate in the way. They also have no way of verifying the safety of those left behind. Even then they kept advancing.

Ruby encourages people to keep going and Mizore tells her to watch out since she's the one injured. Kurumu wonders about the safety of the 2 left behind but tsukune tells her they will probably be ok and meet with them later. Miyabi says "you finally got here boy". MIyabi tells them not to worry since he isn't their enemy.. "yet". Miyai says that by themselves, it would be hard to keep going so he will lead them to where Moka is.

They are still unsure so he tells them that they probably heard from hokuto that the ones who got them there was the first branch, meaning the branch he controls so, for now, they can trust him. Ruby tells him that even though it's suspicious, they should do as he says. She didn't notice when they met before probably due to the vast difference in powers, but he is someone they should not make an enemy of.

However, when he Tsukune sees Mizore's behavior he refuses and reminds Miyabi about what he did to Mizore before. Because of that, not only he can't trust him but of course will not forgive him. Miyabi tells Tsukune he thought he'd be more of an adult and to take care since he's already being targeted.

Kiria shows up. Kiria tells tsukune "sorry for making it fast, but would you disappear?" Ruby explains to tsukune that it seems Kiria used a transfer/teleport spell and sent both of them to a special space. While kiria greets Kurumu, she asks where he sent them. Mizore stops her from going to him and barely dodges kiria's attack. Kiria tells them to calm down or he may end up killing them. Kiria tells them than unlike Hokuto, he doesnt move for any great cause and prefers to play with them.

While the girls understand the situation, Kiria tells them not to bother relying on Tsukune since he sent them to another place to meet a certain man. He continues by telling them that he wasn't the only one from Fairy Tale that infiltrated the academy but will only continue telling them if they entertain him.

Ruby and Tsukune start talking and Ruby mentions that someone with youki even greater then Raika's is there. Tsukune tells her that he remembers these flames, scenery and pressure.

Kuyou makes his appearance and is a bit surprised ant tsukune dodging the flames. Mizore asks Miyabi why he saved them and he answers that he already told them they could trust him for now.

Chris38
2012-02-01, 14:22
Thanks for the summary Renegade334


Well, I guess I have to abandon my comments about Miyabi not working with Kiria and Hokuto - it's just that I should have guessed that it's not in Kiria's personality to do things that aren't interesting.

But, I guessed that means that Kira, Hokuto and Kuyou have been in Fairy Tale, before even the whole series started, so at this point, I think that it could be said that the plan to destroy the Great Barrier surrounding Youkai Academy (that failed, due to Tsukune's and Moka's influence) has been a part of Fairy Tale's plans as well.

I wonder for how long Miyabi is going to continue supporting Tsukune and his friends, since it definitely won't last for the entire arc, and how Gyokuro is going to react to this "betrayal"...

Tachibana
2012-02-01, 14:37
Nice, we will finally get to see Tsukune in action, i get the feeling that this fight won't last to long.

Chris38
2012-02-01, 14:49
Nice, we will finally get to see Tsukune in action, i get the feeling that this fight won't last to long.

I'm not so sure about that, I could see 1 to 2 chapters entirely dedicated to that fight, since after all, it's Tsukune the main male protagonist who will be fighting now, so I could see Ikeda focusing on that a little bit, especially since Tsukune hadn't fought much to begin with - the last time, he was fighting someone (as himself, not when he lost control over his powers), was - if I remember correctly, against the Siren guy, in Sun's arc - unless you consider, what he did to the phoenix during Fong Fong's introduction, as an "fight"...

Tachibana
2012-02-01, 14:57
I'm not so sure about that, I could see 1 to 2 chapters entirely dedicated to that fight, since after all, it's Tsukune the main male protagonist who will be fighting now, so I could see Ikeda focusing on that a little bit, especially since Tsukune hadn't fought much to begin with - the last time, he was fighting someone (as himself, not when he lost control over his powers), was - if I remember correctly, against the Siren guy, in Sun's arc - unless you consider, what he did to the phoenix during Fong Fong's introduction, as an "fight"...

Well if the fight lasts as long as 2 chapters thats fine all the fights so far with the subdivision leaders have been 2 chapters so far except Sai-Lung's fight his was 1 chapter, but it's going to be pure awesomeness come next chapter, we get to enjoy Tsukune kicking some @$$, i guess Kuyou didn't learn his place after his defeat by Moka, time for Tsukune to show him his place. :D

Magin
2012-02-01, 15:19
With Tsukune vs. Kuyou... that could very well be a true defining point for Tsukune. In terms of pure youkai power, I expect Tsukune would wipe the floor with him. But, Kuyou might bring up the reason why it was him vs. Tsukune in the first place- for those who need a quick reminder, it was because Tsukune was suspected of being a human with a youkai school (which was true, until Moka stepped in). So at this point, Tsukune have to decide what he really is... after all, I believe he still classifies himself as a human, though we all know that isn't true, and leave it to Kuyou to challenge to Tsukune on that point. Either that, or Kuyou has greatly improved since Chapter 10 of the entire series.

Tachibana
2012-02-01, 17:15
I have to admit for a bad guy i like his character for the time being.

Some people have already started to speculate that there is something beginning to spark between Mizore and Miyabi, perhaps he has a thing for Mizore now. Thoughts anyone?

haegar
2012-02-01, 19:59
mhhh. that demon fox guy sure looks stronger and more cocky than before if that is even possible. still, agree he prly is around as a significant target for Tsukune to fully realize he kinda crossed over to become part of a whole different species than humans :heh:

As for Miyabi, generally I'd say he's up to no good with Mizore - but considering recent hints of beginning to ship of the harem to other men but Tsukune, I dunno... a bad guy who turns out to be good after all would make for a nice twist - so maybe he is actually in earnest?

*pause*

than again, he so looks like Gyokoru cooly smoking his cigarette

..nah...


no way. he ain't up to no good. no freakin way. he just playin it for the fun of it or for some develish scheme he needs Mizore for ... poor girls.

Chris38
2012-02-02, 00:31
Yeah, Miyabi is definitely up to something, and since Kuyou has been a part of their group , he's definitely included in their plans as well.

Still, we have to wait, until they actually reveal what are they planing to do, but it will probably still take a few chapters, before that revelation is made.

Now, I wish to point out, what Magin has said - that the fight against Kuyou might make Tsukune realize that he can't consider himself as a human anymore... even if some human genetic traits, still remain in his body.

Since, let's face it, no HUMAN would be able to sense and dodge a fireball that is only a few meters away from you're face.

So, I would be very glad if the topic of Tsukune's humanity, would be brought up during his fight with Kuyou, shattering Tsukune's illusion that he can still consider himself as a human, and making him a little more aware of the changes that are happening to his body, due to the Shinso vampire blood flowing inside it.

Alhazad2003
2012-02-02, 03:46
Wow, to think Kuyou would return, and as a Fairy Tale branch leader no less. And if he's stronger than Raika, as Ruby theorized earlier in the chapter, Tsukune's in for one hecht of a rematch.

At first, I was a bit puzzled about why Akihisa would throw Tsukune against a powerful opponent like Kuyou just before his long-awaited grudge match against Akuha, since it would've definitely weakened and left him vulnerable before the epic showdown. Then with the inconvenient appearance of Miyabe, I fear the intended double-cross might be happening sooner than expected. With Tsukune tied up with Kuyou, it would be the perfect opportunity for Miyabe and company to snatch Moka right from under Gyokuro's nose. Of course this would get her attention, along with Gairen's and the last branch leader, but perhaps it's all part of the plan. Miyabe needs to eliminate the other subdivision leaders, as well as Gyokuro, in order to proceed with his greater plans. Maybe he's deliberately trying to lure them out so he can eliminate them all. I imagine Gyokuro would give him trouble, but perhaps it's then that the B Team arrives, which includes Fuhai Touhou. Man, he's starting to sound like Aizen here. "Just as planned." Urgh!

kenjiharima
2012-02-02, 03:49
RAW 50

Seems they're separating the gang to fight battles.

Ok what's up with Miyabi saving her? Another plot hole perhaps?

Alhazad2003
2012-02-02, 04:12
RAW 50

Seems they're separating the gang to fight battles.

Ok what's up with Miyabi saving her? Another plot hole perhaps?


I doubt it, he could be making his move sooner than we'd expected. And with Tsukune preoccupied, who's gonna stop him now? Though I hope I'm wrong on this, we'll find out very soon. Until then...

Chris38
2012-02-02, 04:31
Wow, to think Kuyou would return, and as a Fairy Tale branch leader no less. And if he's stronger than Raika, as Ruby theorized earlier in the chapter, Tsukune's in for one hecht of a rematch.

At first, I was a bit puzzled about why Akihisa would throw Tsukune against a powerful opponent like Kuyou just before his long-awaited grudge match against Akuha, since it would've definitely weakened and left him vulnerable before the epic showdown. Then with the inconvenient appearance of Miyabe, I fear the intended double-cross might be happening sooner than expected. With Tsukune tied up with Kuyou, it would be the perfect opportunity for Miyabe and company to snatch Moka right from under Gyokuro's nose. Of course this would get her attention, along with Gairen's and the last branch leader, but perhaps it's all part of the plan. Miyabe needs to eliminate the other subdivision leaders, as well as Gyokuro, in order to proceed with his greater plans. Maybe he's deliberately trying to lure them out so he can eliminate them all. I imagine Gyokuro would give him trouble, but perhaps it's then that the B Team arrives, which includes Fuhai Touhou. Man, he's starting to sound like Aizen here. "Just as planned." Urgh!

Well, personally I doubt such a scenario has a huge chance of occurring.

After all, you seemed to have forgotten about the fact that Akua is near the place where Moka is currently located, and if it was possible for Miyabi, Hokuto or Kiria to defeat her, they wouldn't go with the whole farce of letting Tsukune and his friends slip into Fairy Tale's HQ.

Not to mention, I don't think that their objective is to kidnap Moka again, since the only usefulness she might have for them, is the fact that her blood is capable of reviving Alucard. After all, it's not like she would assist them in destroying the human world. Furthermore, I doubt that Ikeda would go with the plot of kidnapping Moka again, after she had such an huge absence from the series.

Having said that, I definitely agree that Miyabi has some secret intentions in helping Tsukune's group get to Moka, but I don't think they have much to do with the plot of him trying to kidnap her - in my opinion, he plans to do something completely different then that.

RAW 50

Seems they're separating the gang to fight battles.

Ok what's up with Miyabi saving her? Another plot hole perhaps?


Well, according to the summary of the chapter that was posted earlier, he's saving her, because at the moment he's on the side of Tsukune's group. I don't think that this chapter reveals, why he is actually doing that, but maybe a translation of the chapter, and the future chapters will disclose more information about this development.

Alhazad2003
2012-02-02, 04:41
Well, personally I doubt such a scenario has a huge chance of occurring.

After all, you seemed to have forgotten about the fact that Akua is near the place where Moka is currently located, and if it was possible for Miyabi, Hokuto or Kiria to defeat her, they wouldn't go with the whole farce of letting Tsukune and his friends slip into Fairy Tale's HQ.

Not to mention, I don't think that their objective is to kidnap Moka again, since the only usefulness she might have for them, is the fact that her blood is capable of reviving Alucard. After all, it's not like she would assist them in destroying the human world. Furthermore, I doubt that Ikeda would go with the plot of kidnapping Moka again, after she had such an huge absence from the series.

Having said that, I definitely agree that Miyabi has some secret intentions in helping Tsukune's group get to Moka, but I don't think they have much to do with the plot of him trying to kidnap her - in my opinion, he plans to do something completely different then that.

Trust me, I haven't forgotten. My guess on that would be they'd let Kurumu and Mizore go first, and once Akuha was distracted enough, they'd move in for the kill. As the old saying goes, "in chess the pawns go first." That's all Tsukune and friends are to him, expendable pawns. And once his goal is achieved, he'll have no more use for them.

And as for Moka's usefulness, if they wanted Alucard to be revived, why betray Gyokuro and their peers, since they all want the same thing. Unless their agenda was indeed a ruse, but that would be a complete waste of time in my book. There's just too many questions, and no answers. Sigh, how I wish it was March already, so we'd get some of them. Until then...

Chris38
2012-02-02, 04:48
Trust me, I haven't forgotten. My guess on that would be they'd let Kurumu and Mizore go first, and once Akuha was distracted enough, they'd move in for the kill. As the old saying goes, "in chess the pawns go first." That's all Tsukune and friends are to him, expendable pawns. And once his goal is achieved, he'll have no more use for them.

And as for Moka's usefulness, if they wanted Alucard to be revived, why betray Gyokuro and their peers, since they all want the same thing. Unless their agenda was indeed a ruse, but that would be a complete waste of time in my book. There's just too many questions, and no answers. Sigh, how I wish it was March already, so we'd get some of them. Until then...

Well, we would need to wait and see how it goes then.
Still, personally I wouldn't like it if such an scenario took place...

Although, thinking about it, we can't deny the possibility that Tsukune and his friends might be already preprepared for a scenario, where Hokuto, Kiria and Miyabi "betray" them - after all, they had been tricked by them already in the first season, and I would be a bit disappointed if they hadn't learned anything from that incident - especially, if Hokuto has even lampshaded it in chapter 38 of the second season.

Johnny
2012-02-02, 04:51
Like somebody mentioned earlier. I want to see Tsukune smoke this punk's ass in no time flat. Not more then a half of chapter max then focus back on Kurumu and Mizore. That will show just how far he's come along and honestly if he has trouble with Kuyou. He'll never stand a chance against Akuha...

Not too bothered on the Miyabe and Mizore bit. She already stated where her heart stands awhile back. Plus if Ikeda does pull something like that I'd have to hate him for good...:D

Alhazad2003
2012-02-02, 05:01
Well, we would need to wait and see how it goes then.
Still, personally I wouldn't like it if such an scenario took place...

Although, thinking about it, we can't deny the possibility that Tsukune and his friends might be already preprepared for a scenario, where Hokuto, Kiria and Miyabi "betray" them - after all, they had been tricked by them already in the first season, and I would be a bit disappointed if they hadn't learned anything from that incident - especially, if Hokuto has even lampshaded it in chapter 38 of the second season.



You and I both, I want to see Tsukune trounce Akuha and prove she's not the one who'll give Moka her happiness. If this is some cheeseball buttpull to redeem Akuha, I'll really be steamed. I want her routed, not redeemed. :frustrated: It would be infuriating if Miyabe denied him that, though I wouldn't put it past him. A lot of villains are like that.

I also hope they're prepared for the eventual double-cross which could be coming sooner than we originally thought. However, I'm more disappointed that Hokuto has learned nothing from the first season. Even after what he witnessed in the Altar of Everlasting Darkness, he still believes coexistence is impossible and is actively trying to squelch it? Then why remove the Rosario of Judgment? If he was that committed, he should've let the barrier completely fall, then his goal would've been accomplished. Sigh, I hate it when characters don't make sense. Hopefully we'll find out the whole truth this year. Until then...

Chris38
2012-02-02, 05:42
You and I both, I want to see Tsukune trounce Akuha and prove she's not the one who'll give Moka her happiness. If this is some cheeseball buttpull to redeem Akuha, I'll really be steamed. I want her routed, not redeemed. :frustrated: It would be infuriating if Miyabe denied him that, though I wouldn't put it past him. A lot of villains are like that.

I also hope they're prepared for the eventual double-cross which could be coming sooner than we originally thought. However, I'm more disappointed that Hokuto has learned nothing from the first season. Even after what he witnessed in the Altar of Everlasting Darkness, he still believes coexistence is impossible and is actively trying to squelch it? Then why remove the Rosario of Judgment? If he was that committed, he should've let the barrier completely fall, then his goal would've been accomplished. Sigh, I hate it when characters don't make sense. Hopefully we'll find out the whole truth this year. Until then...

Well, the reason why I think that Hokuto, Kiria and Miyabi will be unsuccessful in their plot to kidnap Moka (If that's what they actually intend to do) is because, it would make the whole plot of Tsukune's development, before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ a little redundant.

After all, what would be the point of this whole training arc, if Tsukune hasn't grown at all, and wouldn't be able to save Moka, when she needs it the most- even if he has gotten a lot stronger, it still would amount to nothing, since he couldn't save Moka - which, is the entire reason, why he started to train under Tohou Fuhai to begin with.

The same thing would happen, if Tsukune doesn't battle with Akua, over who is better suitable to be with Moka - since, if it doesn't happen it would also make the whole training arc, before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ.

I don't know about you, but in my opinion, Ikeda isn't a an author who would basically throw such a huge part of his main characters character development - which is my main reason, why I doubt that Miyabi, Hokuto and Kiria are going to be successful in their secret plan to kidnap Moka (Naturally, assuming that this is actually there goal, since so far, we still haven't learned what they actually want to achieve.

Alhazad2003
2012-02-02, 05:56
Well, the reason why I think that Hokuto, Kiria and Miyabi will be unsuccessful in their plot to kidnap Moka (If that's what they actually intend to do) is because, it would make the whole plot of Tsukune's development, before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ a little redundant.

After all, what would be the point of this whole training arc, if Tsukune hasn't grown at all, and wouldn't be able to save Moka, when she needs it the most- even if he has gotten a lot stronger, it still would amount to nothing, since he couldn't save Moka - which, is the entire reason, why he started to train under Tohou Fuhai to begin with.

The same thing would happen, if Tsukune doesn't battle with Akua, over who is better suitable to be with Moka - since, if it doesn't happen it would also make the whole training arc, before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ.

I don't know about you, but in my opinion, Ikeda isn't a an author who would basically throw such a huge part of his main characters character development - which is my main reason, why I doubt that Miyabi, Hokuto and Kiria are going to be successful in their secret plan to kidnap Moka (Naturally, assuming that this is actually there goal, since so far, we still haven't learned what they actually want to achieve.

Yes, this is true. Tsukune hasn't really been trolled often in this manga, I can admit that. I simply feared the worst when he got warped away to meet Kuyou. And since we already knew Miyabe was planning a double cross at the end, I was afraid it had come sooner than expected.

And you're right about Miyabe, we still don't know what his plan actually is. All we've seen is that egg he planted in the Snow Maiden Village, and Kahlua promised many more would appear before long, and after that, Fairy Tale would start its operations. Plothole, or is she part of the plot to undermine and ultimately overthrow Gyokuro? Not that I'm against it by any means, not after what her mother has done to her, though treachery doesn't seem to be part of her nature. Though she'll compromise her principles for the sake of the mission, which is sad.

All in all, I really don't trust Miyabe. Neither does the main cast, it seems. And with good reason, hope they're ready for the eventual double-cross, whenever it comes. Until then...

Chris38
2012-02-02, 09:13
Like I said earlier I see two reasons why the whole rematch with Kuyou is taking place in the current arc.

First reason why such a rematch is going to occur is to show how much progress Tsukune has made compared to the start of this manga.

Second reason is to provide as with some information about Tsukune's "humanity" and the current state of his vampire transformation - it might be even possible that Kuyou is going to be the antagonist who will actually "finalize" Tsukune's vampire transformation - after all, we can't deny the fact that the whole topic of Tsukune's "transformation" has been brought up by Kuyou when he almost killed Tsukune, and Inner Moka was forced to inject him with her blood - so, if Ikeda wants to go along with the "full circle route", it might be possible that Tsukune's transformation is going to be actually finalized during his rematch with Kuyou.

Of course, it would mean that this rematch would take a lot more time then a single chapter, and personally I doubt that Ikeda is actually going to resolve Tsukune's transformation in the current arc, but on the other hand I can't deny the fact that the possibility of Ikeda leading the story in that direction exists, and that it would be quite symbolic if Tsukune's "transformation" would be resolved like that.

Soji
2012-02-02, 09:32
Like I said earlier I see two reasons why the whole rematch with Kuyou is taking place in the current arc.

First reason why such a rematch is going to occur is to show how much progress Tsukune has made compared to the start of this manga.

Second reason is to provide as with some information about Tsukune's "humanity" and the current state of his vampire transformation - it might be even possible that Kuyou is going to be the antagonist who will actually "finalize" Tsukune's vampire transformation - after all, we can't deny the fact that the whole topic of Tsukune's "transformation" has been brought up by Kuyou when he almost killed Tsukune, and Inner Moka was forced to inject him with her blood - so, if Ikeda wants to go along with the "full circle route", it might be possible that Tsukune's transformation is going to be actually finalized during his rematch with Kuyou.

Of course, it would mean that this rematch would take a lot more time then a single chapter, and personally I doubt that Ikeda is actually going to resolve Tsukune's transformation in the current arc, but on the other hand I can't deny the fact that the possibility of Ikeda leading the story in that direction exists, and that it would be quite symbolic if Tsukune's "transformation" would be resolved like that.


I think this would be the best route for the author. I mean if Tsukune really finalized during the match with Kuyou would mean that Tsukune will be in his best shape for Akua.Plus like you said,would be quiete simolic if Tsukune's " trasformation" would be resolved like that. Not to mention the face that Moka would make when she find out about this.:heh:

Alhazad2003
2012-02-02, 09:44
Like I said earlier I see two reasons why the whole rematch with Kuyou is taking place in the current arc.

First reason why such a rematch is going to occur is to show how much progress Tsukune has made compared to the start of this manga.

Second reason is to provide as with some information about Tsukune's "humanity" and the current state of his vampire transformation - it might be even possible that Kuyou is going to be the antagonist who will actually "finalize" Tsukune's vampire transformation - after all, we can't deny the fact that the whole topic of Tsukune's "transformation" has been brought up by Kuyou when he almost killed Tsukune, and Inner Moka was forced to inject him with her blood - so, if Ikeda wants to go along with the "full circle route", it might be possible that Tsukune's transformation is going to be actually finalized during his rematch with Kuyou.

Of course, it would mean that this rematch would take a lot more time then a single chapter, and personally I doubt that Ikeda is actually going to resolve Tsukune's transformation in the current arc, but on the other hand I can't deny the fact that the possibility of Ikeda leading the story in that direction exists, and that it would be quite symbolic if Tsukune's "transformation" would be resolved like that.



Ooohhh, nice. I hadn't thought of that.

Yes, it would be most appropriate if Kuyou was the one who "completed" Tsukune, so to speak. He started it back at the academy, how ironic that it might be finished within the Floating Garden. Naturally Kuyou's not thinking about that, he wants to erase Tsukune for all the humiliation he caused him a year before. So if the manga does go down this route, it would make the perfect precursor for the dramatic battle against Akuha.

Hmm, I wonder if that's the reason Miyabe set this up, that sounds like a plan he'd formulate. So in a sense, Kuyou's going to be thrown under the bus in order to further Miyabe's plans. Not really surprising, I sort of guessed he wanted to "eliminate the competition," so to speak, and this is a devious way to do just that. Man, I'm so anxious for the next issue already, I want to see Kuyou get the thrashing he so richly deserves, and then Akuha gets the same. Until then...

Chris38
2012-02-02, 10:32
Well, if Ikeda is really going to go in that direction during his rematch with Kuyou, the next question would be - what Tsukune is going to become as a result of his transformation.

Naturally the most obvious answer would be that he is going to become a Shinso vampire, but in a manga which has a theme of achieving coexistence between human's and ayashi, I don't think that Ikeda would go in such a direction. Not to mention that it would be a pretty predictable answer, that probably won't be very satisfying, since Ikeda can definitely do something better then that, especially after he spent so much time on the development of Tsukune's transformation.

In other words, while Tsukune's powers would be quite similar to the power's of a Shinso vampire, overall he would be a different kind of being then a Sinso vampire - a being that would allow him to retain the partial human traits that are still present inside his body, that, for example, give him an immunity to traditional vampire weaknesses.

Naturally even if I say that Tsukune's transformation is going to be finalized during his rematch with Kuyou and that he most likely won't need to wear the Holy Lock, it doesn't mean that he's going to automatically gain the experience to fully utilize the full capabilities of his Shinso blood, since first it would make his fight against Akua too easy, and second of all, it would make the rest of the series a little boring, since I doubt there exist a lot of beings that are stronger or equal in strength with a Shinso vampire.

Tachibana
2012-02-02, 10:43
I believe Miyabi set this up to "test" Tsukune's abilities before proceeding to where Moka is which means that the last two remaining subdivisions will probably be faced later after Tsukune's fight with Akua.

So for now it looks like Miyabi will be guarding the girls until Tsukune gets out of the fight with Kuyou. I also have the feeling the Miyabi will probably go up against Gyokuro once she finds out about his betrayal, if she hasn't already gotten the idea he's behind this.

As for Kuyou helping Tsukune finalize his transformation, do yall really think its time for something like that? though i do want to see it happen but for some reason it feels kinda a little bit too soon for something like that, i expected it to happen when he finally faced Akua.

Chris38
2012-02-02, 10:54
I believe Miyabi set this up to "test" Tsukune's abilities before proceeding to where Moka is which means that the last two remaining subdivisions will probably be faced later after Tsukune's fight with Akua.

So for now it looks like Miyabi will be guarding the girls until Tsukune gets out of the fight with Kuyou. I also have the feeling the Miyabi will probably go up against Gyokuro once she finds out about his betrayal, if she hasn't already gotten the idea he's behind this.

As for Kuyou helping Tsukune finalize his transformation, do yall really think its time for something like that? though i do want to see it happen but for some reason it feels kinda a little bit too soon for something like that, i expected it to happen when he finally faced Akua.

Like Soji said earlier, Tsukune would need to be in his best shape, before he faces Akua, who probably won't give Tsukune enough time to worry about the state of his transformation or that he is reaching his limit on the amount of power he is capable of using.

Not to mention you can't deny the symbolism of such a development - that the person who initiated Tsukune's transformation, would be the one to finalize it.

If it has been just a test to see how powerful Tsukune has became, Miyabi could have used anyone that have faced Tsukune in the past - he could even be the one, who would personally test Tsukune's abilities, but as you know Ikeda didn't do that, and actually initiated a rematch with Kuyou, the first opponent that Tsukune fought in his "vampire mode" and the person, which imitated Tsukune's transformation to begin with, and that is the main reason why I believe, that Ikeda is aiming for something else, then just a simple test of Tsukune's abilities.

Soji
2012-02-02, 11:56
Like Soji said earlier, Tsukune would need to be in his best shape, before he faces Akua, who probably won't give Tsukune enough time to worry about the state of his transformation or that he is reaching his limit on the amount of power he is capable of using.

Not to mention you can't deny the symbolism of such a development - that the person who initiated Tsukune's transformation, would be the one to finalize it.

If it has been just a test to see how powerful Tsukune has became, Miyabi could have used anyone that have faced Tsukune in the past - he could even be the one, who would personally test Tsukune's abilities, but as you know Ikeda didn't do that, and actually initiated a rematch with Kuyou, the first opponent that Tsukune fought in his "vampire mode" and the person, which imitated Tsukune's transformation to begin with, and that is the main reason why I believe, that Ikeda is aiming for something else, then just a simple test of Tsukune's abilities.
Agree .Plus I really can't see Tsukune in his most significant battle become the black thing that he become that time. I mean he is there to save Moka he can't show her that ._. Wich mean his trasformation have to be finlaize during the fight with the fox. And like you said would symbolize so much if happen with him:)

Tachibana
2012-02-02, 12:29
Like Soji said earlier, Tsukune would need to be in his best shape, before he faces Akua, who probably won't give Tsukune enough time to worry about the state of his transformation or that he is reaching his limit on the amount of power he is capable of using.

Not to mention you can't deny the symbolism of such a development - that the person who initiated Tsukune's transformation, would be the one to finalize it.

If it has been just a test to see how powerful Tsukune has became, Miyabi could have used anyone that have faced Tsukune in the past - he could even be the one, who would personally test Tsukune's abilities, but as you know Ikeda didn't do that, and actually initiated a rematch with Kuyou, the first opponent that Tsukune fought in his "vampire mode" and the person, which imitated Tsukune's transformation to begin with, and that is the main reason why I believe, that Ikeda is aiming for something else, then just a simple test of Tsukune's abilities.

Indeed, being at his best come time for him to face Akua is best, i agree.

I can't wait until we see him totally own that cocky Kuyou itle be epic! :D

Chris38
2012-02-02, 12:34
Agree .Plus I really can't see Tsukune in his most significant battle become the black thing that he become that time. I mean he is there to save Moka he can't show her that ._. Wich mean his trasformation have to be finlaize during the fight with the fox. And like you said would symbolize so much if happen with him:)

Not to mention that, Tsukune losing control during his fight with Akua, would definitely cause Alucard to fully awaken, and I have to say that a situation where the rest of the protagonists would need to deal with a rampaging Tsukune and a fully awakened Alucard would be a little too much to deal with.

After all, we had seen how difficult to control Tsukune is, in his new berserk state, and if we combine that with what Alucard demonstrated in the flashback to Moka's childhood - well, in such a situation, I can't think of anything else, but a bad ending, where the player needs to restart from the last checkpoint :heh: :D.

Since, Tsukune and Ruby have been teleported to some alternate universe, that is most likely separated from Fairy Tale's HQ, Tsukune can probably rampage there all he wants and it won't influence Alucard's current state...

The downside is, that Kuyou will probably try to seriously kill Tsukune, even in his rampage state, so the situation definitely won't be ideal, but I think that's the reason why Ruby has been teleported along with Tsukune to try to remedy the situation a little, and keep Kuyou busy, until Tsukune regains control over his powers.

So the situation can't be called "ideal" but honestly, we all need a little drama to spice things up. :p

Tachibana
2012-02-02, 13:54
Not to mention that, Tsukune losing control during his fight with Akua, would definitely cause Alucard to fully awaken, and I have to say that a situation where the rest of the protagonists would need to deal with a rampaging Tsukune and a fully awakened Alucard would be a little too much to deal with.

After all, we had seen how difficult to control Tsukune is, in his new berserk state, and if we combine that with what Alucard demonstrated in the flashback to Moka's childhood - well, in such a situation, I can't think of anything else, but a bad ending, where the player needs to restart from the last checkpoint :heh: :D.

Since, Tsukune and Ruby have been teleported to some alternate universe, that is most likely separated from Fairy Tale's HQ, Tsukune can probably rampage there all he wants and it won't influence Alucard's current state...

The downside is, that Kuyou will probably try to seriously kill Tsukune, even in his rampage state, so the situation definitely won't be ideal, but I think that's the reason why Ruby has been teleported along with Tsukune to try to remedy the situation a little, and keep Kuyou busy, until Tsukune regains control over his powers.

So the situation can't be called "ideal" but honestly, we all need a little drama to spice things up. :p

About Tsukune's influence on Alucard, Sai-Lung revealed the summoning monsters require demon energy to be used this logic would no doubt apply to using demon energy to use youjutsu, that being said, Tsukune's only source of energy is his Shinso power and by using it to execute his youjutsu techniques, this would result in short releases of Shinso power like what we have seen with the Bakuryujin technique, wouldn't you think that these short bursts of energy would effect Alucard while hes using youjutsu during his battle with Akua?

Chris38
2012-02-02, 14:14
About Tsukune's influence on Alucard, Sai-Lung revealed the summoning monsters require demon energy to be used this logic would no doubt apply to using demon energy to use youjutsu, that being said, Tsukune's only source of energy is his Shinso power and by using it to execute his youjutsu techniques, this would result in short releases of Shinso power like what we have seen with the Bakuryujin technique, wouldn't you think that these short bursts of energy would effect Alucard while hes using youjutsu during his battle with Akua?

I doubt that Tsukune using youjutsu techniques during his fight with Akua is going to cause Alucard to fully awaken, after all we had seen that Akasha was fine in not letting Alucard awaken, despite using some of her youkai energy during her fight with Akua, during Moka's childhood flashback.

So, as long as Tsukune keeps his youkai energy at a low output, he should be fine, and since using youjutsu techniques isn't even causing Tsukune to transform into his "vampire form", I don't think they use a lot of Tsukune's youkai energy - and even if such youjutsu techniques exist , I doubt that Tohou Fuhai has thought them to Tsukune, precisely to avoid a scenario, where he would accidentally awaken Alucard from his slumber.

kenjiharima
2012-02-02, 22:11
a little off topic here.

Anyone seen this Your Future Waifu

http://shindanmaker.com/23295

used my real name I got Moka Akashiya, shocked it wasn't Mizore or Kurumu. :heh: Wonder who else has the name destined for an R+V girl.

Tachibana
2012-02-03, 00:30
a little off topic here.

Anyone seen this Your Future Waifu

http://shindanmaker.com/23295

used my real name I got Moka Akashiya, shocked it wasn't Mizore or Kurumu. :heh: Wonder who else has the name destined for an R+V girl.

LMAO, i got Tsumugi Kotobuki :heh::heh::heh:

Mahou
2012-02-03, 03:24
With first name, last name: Teletha Tessa Testarossa :D
And with last name, first name: Fumino Serizawa :) Quite nice choices in both cases.

Tempest35
2012-02-03, 09:29
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0.o
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Nunally Lamperouge!?

...>< I'm becoming a monk.

...oh wait, the names change if you capitalize them or not... :heh: wow, talk about picky...

...no, not Illyasviel von Einzbern (Fate Stay Night, etc)...

*crawls into a hole*

Tachibana
2012-02-03, 12:49
I got Asuna Kagurazaka :D :D :D

Magin
2012-02-03, 15:11
Alright... so, using my nickname for my first name and then full last name, all in small letters, I got Rin Tohsaka

... then using my full first name and last last, again in small letters, I got Moka herself! Mwhahahahahaha!!!

Arturro
2012-02-03, 17:32
Bellandy for my full first and last name, Moka for nickname. I think it's a sign that I should read Oh! My Goddess! :P

Mahou
2012-02-04, 03:57
Using my nickname with the first letter capitalized, I will marry Shana in next year's december :heh: And that when I'm not really interested in the Shakugan no Shana works =/.

Edit: Seems like an okay chapter. Most of my impressions have already been stated by others. I'm in the same camp of "We don't trust Miyabi", for me mostly due to personal anti-bias against him. I cannot stand that guy. Tsukune vs. Kyou should turn out entertaining. Personally, I want to see Tsukune to completely overwhelm his opponent, but am aware that it would downplay the strenghth of the fairy tale divison leaders. Kiria seems to be as always and just looks for entertainment. Uhm, nothing more to add as the summary mentioned everything of importance. Maybe, that Kiria confirmed that Kyou and not he (= Kiria) was sent to inflitrate Youkai Academy by Fairy Tale

Chris38
2012-02-04, 06:12
Going back to the raw discussion..

What kind of makes me worried, is the amount of time Inner Moka, will be given, after this arc is over...

After all, it's pretty obvious that, at the current point in the story, Tsukune needs to defeat Kuyou to proceed toward - not to mention, the speculations that I made that this particular fight, might actually finalize his vampire transformation.

And, after that fight, there is still Akua to deal with...

Overall, the way I see it, Inner Moka's role would be seriously margined, after this arc is over, since Tsukune wouldn't need to depend on her as much as he did earlier, since after this arc is over, I see Tsukune being perfectly capable of holding out on his own in a fight, without needing to release Inner Moka.

Not to mention the fact that the other girls in Tsukune's harem have also gotten a little stronger.

In other words, there is no way I see the Rosario (and Outer Moka) surviving through this arc intact - either the seal is going to be broken during Alucard's resurrection (which would be a bad thing, since it would cause Alucard to awaken), or the strain from the ritual that Fairy Tale uses to try and resurrect Alucard, will cause Moka's seal to break in this arcs conclusion.

If anything other then that occurs, well - like I said it would really marginalize the role Moka would have in the future arcs, and I doubt that Ikeda would do that to his main female protagonist.

Alhazad2003
2012-02-04, 06:32
Going back to the raw discussion..

What kind of makes me worried, is the amount of time Inner Moka, will be given, after this arc is over...

After all, it's pretty obvious that, at the current point in the story, Tsukune needs to defeat Kuyou to proceed toward - not to mention, the speculations that I made that this particular fight, might actually finalize his vampire transformation.

And, after that fight, there is still Akua to deal with...

Overall, the way I see it, Inner Moka's role would be seriously margined, after this arc is over, since Tsukune wouldn't need to depend on her as much as he did earlier, since after this arc is over, I see Tsukune being perfectly capable of holding out on his own in a fight, without needing to release Inner Moka.

Not to mention the fact that the other girls in Tsukune's harem have also gotten a little stronger.

In other words, there is no way I see the Rosario (and Outer Moka) surviving through this arc intact - either the seal is going to be broken during Alucard's resurrection (which would be a bad thing, since it would cause Alucard to awaken), or the strain from the ritual that Fairy Tale uses to try and resurrect Alucard, will cause Moka's seal to break in this arcs conclusion.

If anything other then that occurs, well - like I said it would really marginalize the role Moka would have in the future arcs, and I doubt that Ikeda would do that to his main female protagonist.

Indeed, how will she handle such a situation? Before this, she wondered if she would've seen Tsukune again. But it's a given she will, but will she like what she sees, a powerful youjutsu warrior who can take down an old rival as well as Super Siscon. Would she be elated, or threatened? She should be elated to see him again, and two to three times as powerful as he was when they last met. After all, vampires respect power. However, as you said, if Tsukune can stand on his own, where this will leave her? Will she have to remain within the Rosario for the rest of her life?

Though I think there's one thing that might've eluded your notice. Tsukune now knows Omote is not the real Moka, and was prepared to kill himself over it. How will he interact with Omote once the rescue arc is over, how can he look at her the same way again? How will Omote take the news that her whole life is a creation of Akasha? That will be an interesting issue to address later on.

As for the seal, Ura-chan wanted to protect it, event though she'd lose her freedom, she'd keep the last memento she has of her mother. And it would be hard to keep calling the manga Rosario + Vampire, if the Rosario is no longer. I guess we'll have to wait and see how Akihisa resolves this dilemma. Until then...

ShiroiRyu
2012-02-04, 13:11
WOWOW !
Kuyou return ?!
And what the hell with Miyabi ? I don't think he is good ...
So many things ...

Merilyn Mensola
2012-02-04, 14:04
Chapter 50 is outInteresting..really interesting..what a good development...Miyabi that tell Tsukune that for now..he can help them..mmmm...this is a bit interesting..and the fact that in the end.. he protect Mizore..is like he tell the true...

However..in this moment i want to see Tsukune vs Kuyou...the fight..is going to be interesting..i want to see the new Tsukune power...after the body modification..the new power of being a vampire....not a normal vampire..but.. a vampire that was human..and got the Shinso blood....

Nice chapter!

DragoZERO
2012-02-04, 14:24
Well, this should be good. I hope Tsukune wrecks him, and fast.

And chapter 50! That's a nice milestone. Ten more chapters and we hit 100.

Chris38
2012-02-04, 15:05
Well, this should be good. I hope Tsukune wrecks him, and fast.

And chapter 50! That's a nice milestone. Ten more chapters and we hit 100.

Well, according to my earlier speculations, I don't think that the battle against Kuyou is going to be a fast one, since I believe that he's going to be the one who would "finalize" Tsukune's vampire transformation...

After all, think about it, he's the "enemy" who initiated the whole plot point of Tsukune's "transformation", and I wouldn't be surprised if Ikeda was actually aiming for Kuyou to also be the one who will finalize it, especially considering the fact that the place, where Rubi and Tsukune where teleported too is also pretty suitable for flying.

GrrDraxin
2012-02-04, 16:14
a little off topic here.

Anyone seen this Your Future Waifu

http://shindanmaker.com/23295

used my real name I got Moka Akashiya, shocked it wasn't Mizore or Kurumu. :heh: Wonder who else has the name destined for an R+V girl.

I got a harem.

Here's how:

Hayate Yagami, using only first name
Misaki Ayuzawa, Same as above with proper capitalization

Mio Akiyama, using only middle name
Konata Izumi, Same as above with proper capitalization

Haruka Minami, using only last name
Ayu Tsukimiya, Same as above with proper capitalization

Ai Enma, with full name
Ritsu Tainaka, Same as above with proper capitalization

Asuka Langley Soryu, using first & last name
Index, Same as above with proper capitalization

Yuri (AngelBeats), same as above, but in reverse order of names, small letters
Saber, same as above, with capitalization

Isumi Saginomiya, using middle & last name
Yamada (B Gata H kei), Same as above with proper capitalization

Karen Sonomiya, same as above, but in reverse order of names, small letters
Rin Tosaka, same as above, with capitalization

Elise von Dietrich, using nickname with capitalization in certain places
Nayuki Minase, using only small letters

Mikoto Suou, using full nickname in only small letters
Using full nickname in capitalization yielded Hayate Yagami again... maybe the older version?
Mina Yayoi, using alternate capitalization scheme


I wonder how often the name database on that page is updated... if ever since it's creation.


As for the chapter, well....

I think it's ironic, yet appropriate for Kuyou to be the first one Tsukune fights. It will give us an idea of how far Tsukune has some, and possibly point out any weaknesses he any still have. With Ruby there, I think in her condition she may be more of a burden than Tsukune would like to think at this time. She can dodge, and that's good, but she has no idea who Kuyou is, and what his past encounter with Tsukune was like. So she's in for a crash course in Tsukune's immediate past with his human/youkai struggle.

This may also make things hard for Tsukune, because he may have been traumatized by that first encounter, and may not be able to fully pull out all his stops, resulting in a one sided beatdown from Kuyou, at least until Ruby gives him the mental pep-talk to boost Tsukune's resolve to face his past ghosts and come to accept that he's no longer the human he once was. This may even result in Ruby being further hurt by the time it's over, but knowing Tsukune, he'll pull through and win, even if not easily.

HayashiTakara
2012-02-04, 16:49
Oh man, I'm freaking pissed, it was one hell of a cliff hanger! I'm certain that Miyabi is only helping so that he can overthrow our wonderfully wicked step mother :heh:

But yeah I hope that the fight with Kuyou ends quickly, can't wait to see Tsukune wreck him now that Tsukune is insanely powerful now.

But I'm on my wits end as to whats going on with Yukari and Fong Fong right now >_<

Tachibana
2012-02-04, 18:17
Yay! they're almost to Moka-chan, but i know something can happen between now and then...

DragoZERO
2012-02-04, 19:14
Well, according to my earlier speculations, I don't think that the battle against Kuyou is going to be a fast one, since I believe that he's going to be the one who would "finalize" Tsukune's vampire transformation...

After all, think about it, he's the "enemy" who initiated the whole plot point of Tsukune's "transformation", and I wouldn't be surprised if Ikeda was actually aiming for Kuyou to also be the one who will finalize it, especially considering the fact that the place, where Rubi and Tsukune where teleported too is also pretty suitable for flying.I think once again you are over thinking it. Tsukune's anything is unrelated with Kuyou. Kuyou will do what he did the first time - show us that Tsukune can kick ass.

Oh man, I'm freaking pissed, it was one hell of a cliff hanger! I'm certain that Miyabi is only helping so that he can overthrow our wonderfully wicked step mother :heh:

But yeah I hope that the fight with Kuyou ends quickly, can't wait to see Tsukune wreck him now that Tsukune is insanely powerful now.

But I'm on my wits end as to whats going on with Yukari and Fong Fong right now >_<I think Fong Fong protected Yukari and now Yukari is transferring her mana to him to keep him alive. That's right, transferring. ;)

Tachibana
2012-02-04, 22:10
I have a feeling that after Kuyou's defeat, next fight will be Tsukune Vs Akua unless that other unknown subdivision leader shows up because i don't think Yuuki will fight until after Tsukune and Akua's fight. Hopefully by this time Tsukune and Miyabi will have allied and made their way there.

Johnny
2012-02-04, 22:21
I'm banking the other half of the missing Academy gang will have met up with Yukari and Fong whether by rescuing them or just perchance...

Miyabi's got one of those faces that says if you trust me you'll regret it sooner or later. He's got the same eyes as Akuha does when they try and be scary, so you know you got to be cautious when trusting them...

Mahou
2012-02-05, 04:21
Miyabi's betrayal will happen like this: Moka and Tsukune are (happily) embracing each other after the current threat was dealt with and *BAM* Miyabi stabs/shoots pew-pew beam through both of them :upset:. Would be the most evil-"est" evil deed for a romance-fan in this genre-mix ;)

As for the approaching Tsukune vs. Heavy-Siscon battle: I hope that by that time Touhou Fuhai and Mikogami arrive and set up a Youki-isolating barrier so that Tsukune can go all out without the risk of Alucard reacting to the Shinso blood.
Leaves at that time only the mystery around those egg-thingys around the Youkai world. Either they hatch into a swarm of mini-evils or they transfer the absorbed energy to Alucard or whoever may receive the "final" evil-powerup.

Alhazad2003
2012-02-05, 05:26
I have a feeling that after Kuyou's defeat, next fight will be Tsukune Vs Akua unless that other unknown subdivision leader shows up because i don't think Yuuki will fight until after Tsukune and Akua's fight. Hopefully by this time Tsukune and Miyabi will have allied and made their way there.

Undoubtedly they'll have to deal with the last branch leader (the beaded youkai) eventually. As for Gairen, I feel once he learns Miyabe's betrayed Gyokuro, he'll go down to "correct" him, and dispose of the others so they don't cause Gyokuro and the Masked King any more trouble. The others will battle him while Tsukune heads for Alucard's lair to meet his destiny, and what a destiny it will be. Payback will be so sweet, except if your name is Akuha Shuzen, then it's a b****! :heh::heh::heh::heh: Sucks to be her.

EDIT: I got Yui from AngelBeats, whoever she is. And I'm destined to marry her next May. Too silly. :p

ShiroiRyu
2012-02-05, 05:28
Luka Megurine for me.
When you know i'm more into Monster Girl and when you saw some "octopus" Luka Megurine, i think i have the good girl. XD

kenjiharima
2012-02-05, 05:55
Image Time

I find this amusing. :heh:

http://sadpanda.us/images/833229-BZ90C0K.jpg
http://sadpanda.us/images/833229-BZ90C0K.jpg

Tempest35
2012-02-05, 14:49
*surfaces* ...

>.>....

<.<....

...no Ura-chan...

*disappears back under*

( :heh: )

FlareKnight
2012-02-05, 17:45
The tricky thing really is that Miyabi said they could trust him "for now." How long exactly does for now last? Plus considering what happened with Mizore's village I can't blame any of them for not wanting to trust this guy. Still if he doesn't get in the way while dealing with Kiria that'll be nice. Hard to judge how tough Kiria is really. Was hard for Kurumu back then to attack with that speed, but Moka just stomped him with one shot. Yeah it's Moka and he couldn't run...but still it kind of took this threat status away for me.

This is a good fight for Tsukune though. Shows just how far he's come from the guy who got burned up back then to the guy who should be able to win. Should be a fun one.

kenjiharima
2012-02-05, 22:38
Iam just awaiting what other "jutsu" Tsukune will show and Miyabe allying himself to the R+V gang. Also don't forget Yukari and Fongx2

Tachibana
2012-02-07, 11:52
Another topic, i have something new about what Miyabi's goal possibly is.

I'm so curious to what Miyabi wants. Hokuto said that the 1st subdivision's goal was the same as Fairy Tale HQ's goal but only to use different methods to achieve it, the only thing both goals have in common is that they need Moka Akashiya's power but i wonder if thats truly what Miyabi wants, his damn near perfect villainous attire makes seeing what his goals really are almost impossible, in an earlier chapter Miyabi said that he likes things that are "perfect", i doubt that having Alucard awakened and desroying the world is his idea of perfect since such an event would make the world "ugly", and this would displease him greatly.

His idea of perfect is why he wanted the Yuki-Onna land it was because to him the land was "beautiful", this also explains why he was the way he was towards Mizore, he says that after she turned "beautiful" is when he was going to reshape her into an obedient woman and when she said that she was "dirtied" by him this goes against his idea of perfect causing him to say those things about Mizore. I don't think Miyabi is truly evil as he appears to be but his villainous attire says otherwise. So i believe that Miyabi's true goal is to achieve some sort of "perfection" in the world with Tsukune's help and Moka's power.

Thoughts anyone?

Merilyn Mensola
2012-02-07, 12:37
Another topic, i have something new about what Miyabi's goal possibly is.

I'm so curious to what Miyabi wants. Hokuto said that the 1st subdivision's goal was the same as Fairy Tale HQ's goal but only to use different methods to achieve it, the only thing both goals have in common is that they need Moka Akashiya's power but i wonder if thats truly what Miyabi wants, his damn near perfect villainous attire makes seeing what his goals really are almost impossible, in an earlier chapter Miyabi said that he likes things that are "perfect", i doubt that having Alucard awakened and desroying the world is his idea of perfect since such an event would make the world "ugly", and this would displease him greatly.

His idea of perfect is why he wanted the Yuki-Onna land it was because to him the land was "beautiful", this also explains why he was the way he was towards Mizore, he says that after she turned "beautiful" is when he was going to reshape her into an obedient woman and when she said that she was "dirtied" by him this goes against his idea of perfect causing him to say those things about Mizore. I don't think Miyabi is truly evil as he appears to be but his villainous attire says otherwise. So i believe that Miyabi's true goal is to achieve some sort of "perfection" in the world with Tsukune's help and Moka's power.

Thoughts anyone?


I must agree with you, in once thing...even for me,Miyabi isn't a "truly evil"..i mean..he protected Mizore in this chapter...is strange.. he is a villain..but after see that he protected Mizore..i change my mind..

I honestly don't know, Miyabi true goal..however..your speculation are interesting...but, the word perfection what does it mean?

Tachibana
2012-02-07, 13:04
I must agree with you, in once thing...even for me,Miyabi isn't a "truly evil"..i mean..he protected Mizore in this chapter...is strange.. he is a villain..but after see that he protected Mizore..i change my mind..

I honestly don't know, Miyabi true goal..however..your speculation are interesting...but, the word perfection what does it mean?

Perfect - Having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.

Perfection - The condition, state, or quality of being free or as free as possible from all flaws or defects. A person or thing perceived as the embodiment of such a condition, state, or quality.

Miyabi (雅) is one of the traditional Japanese aesthetic ideals, though not as prevalent as Iki or Wabi-sabi. In modern Japanese, the word is usually translated as "elegance," "refinement," or "courtliness" and sometimes refers to a "heart-breaker".

The ideal posed by the word demanded the elimination of anything that was absurd or vulgar and the "polishing of manners, diction, and feelings to eliminate all roughness and crudity so as to achieve the highest grace." It expressed that sensitivity to beauty which was the hallmark of the Heian era. Miyabi is often closely connected to the notion of Mono no aware, a bittersweet awareness of the transience of things, and thus it was thought that things in decline showed a great sense of miyabi. An example of this would be one of a lone cherry tree. The tree would soon lose its flowers and would be stripped of everything that made it beautiful and so it showed not only mono no aware, but also miyabi in the process.

I saw someone mention this in another forum and it gave me the idea of Miyabi's possible goal. So far everything that he has wanted is either "perfect" or "beautiful" in his eyes, which would make not only his name and but most importantly his character a reference to this traditional japanese aesthetic ideal.

Tempest35
2012-02-07, 13:19
I'm not going to completely disagree on it but I must say that I still don't completely trust him just yet. I already know that they wish to obtain Moka for their own purposes so until I can get a better inkling of that, Miyabi is definitely #1 on the 'To Watch' list.

Merilyn Mensola
2012-02-07, 14:45
Perfect - Having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.

Perfection - The condition, state, or quality of being free or as free as possible from all flaws or defects. A person or thing perceived as the embodiment of such a condition, state, or quality.

Miyabi (雅) is one of the traditional Japanese aesthetic ideals, though not as prevalent as Iki or Wabi-sabi. In modern Japanese, the word is usually translated as "elegance," "refinement," or "courtliness" and sometimes refers to a "heart-breaker".

The ideal posed by the word demanded the elimination of anything that was absurd or vulgar and the "polishing of manners, diction, and feelings to eliminate all roughness and crudity so as to achieve the highest grace." It expressed that sensitivity to beauty which was the hallmark of the Heian era. Miyabi is often closely connected to the notion of Mono no aware, a bittersweet awareness of the transience of things, and thus it was thought that things in decline showed a great sense of miyabi. An example of this would be one of a lone cherry tree. The tree would soon lose its flowers and would be stripped of everything that made it beautiful and so it showed not only mono no aware, but also miyabi in the process.

I saw someone mention this in another forum and it gave me the idea of Miyabi's possible goal. So far everything that he has wanted is either "perfect" or "beautiful" in his eyes, which would make not only his name and but most importantly his character a reference to this traditional japanese aesthetic ideal.

Interesting..maybe, he want to create a new world? or something like this? where is all beautiful in his eyes?
and for it, he need of Moka power..and for this, tried to help Tsukune..because maybe if Alucard wakes up..maybe absorb Moka...and Goodbye Miyabi dream...

After read the last three chapters..i am only sure of once thing...the villains are increase..

Alhazad2003
2012-02-07, 21:22
Interesting..maybe, he want to create a new world? or something like this? where is all beautiful in his eyes?
and for it, he need of Moka power..and for this, tried to help Tsukune..because maybe if Alucard wakes up..maybe absorb Moka...and Goodbye Miyabi dream...

After read the last three chapters..i am only sure of once thing...the villains are increase..

Something like that. Gyokuro wants to purge the world of humans, and is willing to awaken Alucard and sacrifice Moka to do just that. The carnage that'll be wrought would be most unsightly to Miyabe, wouldn't it? So why would he need Moka for such an obscure goal? I'd rather not find out, though I fear we will after Akuha's defeated.

For now maybe, though I'm sure we'll be seeing some subtractions from the villain's roster very soon. Kuyou's going down, so is Gyokuro, and hopefully Akuha as well. I don't want her redeemed, I want her dead. She's done nothing to earn my sympathy, so redemption is out of the question for her. And none shall mourn her once she's gone.

Cio
2012-02-08, 01:17
In previous chapter it is almost confirm that Yukari will be paired with Fong Fong, why i feel that this time Ikeda wants to put Mizore with Miyabi? Although i don't want that, i still want a harem trio: Moka (Outer and Inner), Kurumu and Mizore.

a little off topic here.

Anyone seen this Your Future Waifu

http://shindanmaker.com/23295

used my real name I got Moka Akashiya, shocked it wasn't Mizore or Kurumu. :heh: Wonder who else has the name destined for an R+V girl.

Get Misato Katsuragi :heh: What a classic name...

Image Time

I find this amusing. :heh:

http://sadpanda.us/images/833229-BZ90C0K.jpg


droll... She is sure still charming in every form :p

Chris38
2012-02-09, 02:24
@Shinso Tsukune

Well, you might have a point in saying that Miyabi wants to create a "perfect world".

After all, we can't forget that Tsukune's and Moka's destiny is to change the world, and I can't shake the feeling that the events of the current arc, will actually be what puts that destiny into motion, especially after the reveal of the Masked King who wants to take control over the world.

Still, I doubt that Miyabi's vision of a "perfect world" is the same as what Tsukune and Moka want to achieve - after all judging from Miyabi's statements in the Yuki Onna arc, his idea of perfection is a world, where everything is under his control, and that's definitely not something that Tsukune and Moka want to achieve, which is why I still believe that Miyabi will still return to "villain" status, once his "common interests" with Tsukune are over - I mean rescuing Moka and most likely, preventing Alucard's resurrection.

Going back to the topic of the fight between Kuyou and Tsukune, I still think that something is going to change within Tsukune, due to that fight...

After all, if the purpose of that fight would only be to show how much progress Tsukune has made, Ikeda could very easily do it in the form of a flashback to one of Tohou Fuhai's and Tsukune's training sessions, but he didn't do that, and actually put Tsukune in a situation where he has to face some other pretty powerful opponent, which is the worst possible option, since Tsukune could get wounded and is definitely going to use up a considerable amount of his youkai energy to be able to defeat Kuyou on his own...

Overall, if the fight against Kuyou wouldn't give Tsukune any benefits, it would put him into a serious disadvantage against Akua, and apart from his vampire transformation I don't see anything that Tsukune would need to "upgrade"...

Of course, there is always the option that Tsukune became so ridiculously powerful that he needs those limits for Akua to have a reasonable chance of defeating him, but I believe that's less likely due to the fact that the training before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ only lasted for a single month, and I doubt that Tohou Fuhai is a specialist, when it comes to the abilities that Shinso vampires posses...

Tachibana
2012-02-13, 10:47
Going back to the topic of the fight between Kuyou and Tsukune, I still think that something is going to change within Tsukune, due to that fight...

After all, if the purpose of that fight would only be to show how much progress Tsukune has made, Ikeda could very easily do it in the form of a flashback to one of Tohou Fuhai's and Tsukune's training sessions, but he didn't do that, and actually put Tsukune in a situation where he has to face some other pretty powerful opponent, which is the worst possible option, since Tsukune could get wounded and is definitely going to use up a considerable amount of his youkai energy to be able to defeat Kuyou on his own...

Overall, if the fight against Kuyou wouldn't give Tsukune any benefits, it would put him into a serious disadvantage against Akua, and apart from his vampire transformation I don't see anything that Tsukune would need to "upgrade"...

Of course, there is always the option that Tsukune became so ridiculously powerful that he needs those limits for Akua to have a reasonable chance of defeating him, but I believe that's less likely due to the fact that the training before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ only lasted for a single month, and I doubt that Tohou Fuhai is a specialist, when it comes to the abilities that Shinso vampires posses...

I have thought of the possibility that a deus ex machina, power-up or the finalization of Tsukune's transformation would take place during his and Kuyou's fight but this would most likely happen in his battle against Akua, in his current state i don't think Tsukune can fight on equal grounds with Akua just yet or perhaps he can we will just have to see.

The deus ex machina, power-up or transformation finalization is where Tsukune's Shinso blood will play a huge part in, i know of consequences that can happen as a result of this but these 3 options have a very high probability of happening, i can't help but get the impression that Ikeda is setting this up to happen.

This just all depends on what Tsukune has learned considering he is a fast learner and has the body of a splendid youjutsu user than he has probably has learned a LOT in just one month from Touhou Fuhai, i'd like to think that he can defeat Kuyou with ease but after seeing him taking a hit from Raika i thought at first this was a result of his lack in speed to avoid the attack but it was just him being caught off guard but i'm hoping this wasn't a sign of weakness in Tsukune.

Since Kuyou's stronger than Raika this will be a very promising preview of how far Tsukune has come, Kuyou was defeated easily in season I, judging from the timeline i'd say it's been about a year and a half since then and Kuyou has had all that that time to get stronger but Tsukune hasn't been sitting around either, but usually antagonists that come back for revenge suffer an easy defeat like how it was between Hitomi and Moka but only this time its Kuyou and Tsukune. Time to settle the score with that cocky fox.

Chris38
2012-02-13, 14:02
@Shinso Tsukune

Then I guess you don't want to see any reasonable conclusion to the fight between Akua and Tsukune, because if Ikeda is actually aiming to "finalize" Tsukune's transformation, during the fight with Akua, it would also mean that we won't get any reasonable conclusion to the fight between Akua and Tsukune, since Alucard would be fully revived, and that would basically bring "chaos" to the whole situation... turning this into a struggle for survival, where Tsukune and the rest of the crew won't have anytime to think about continuing their fight with Akua along with saving Moka, since she's right in front of Alucard and would be his "first lunch" and I doubt Tsukune would be powerful enough to stop him from eating her, since he would have something else to worry about, at that moment... - like trying to retain his human consciousness, while he rampages around in his "berserk state".

In other words, any scenario where Alucard would be awakened is in my opinion a really BAD IDEA, and would quickly turn this arc into a mess (at least in my opinion), so unlike you I doubt that Ikeda is actually going to head in that direction...

I could see something like what you described Shinso Tsukune happening (the scenario where Tsukune finalizes his transformation, during his fight with Akua), if Tsukune's Shinso blood isn't enough to fully revive Alucard, but, well we don't know if something like that is possible, until Ikeda puts it into paper, after all Tsukune's case is a little "special" compared to an ordinary Shinso vampire, due to the fact that he was originally a human.

DragoZERO
2012-02-13, 16:31
Do you guys read any other manga series?

GrrDraxin
2012-02-13, 16:57
Do you guys read any other manga series?

Yes. Quite a few of them actually. This one's just more fun to discuss than the other ones.

Tachibana
2012-02-13, 18:18
@Shinso Tsukune

Then I guess you don't want to see any reasonable conclusion to the fight between Akua and Tsukune, because if Ikeda is actually aiming to "finalize" Tsukune's transformation, during the fight with Akua, it would also mean that we won't get any reasonable conclusion to the fight between Akua and Tsukune, since Alucard would be fully revived, and that would basically bring "chaos" to the whole situation... turning this into a struggle for survival, where Tsukune and the rest of the crew won't have anytime to think about continuing their fight with Akua along with saving Moka, since she's right in front of Alucard and would be his "first lunch" and I doubt Tsukune would be powerful enough to stop him from eating her, since he would have something else to worry about, at that moment... - like trying to retain his human consciousness, while he rampages around in his "berserk state".

In other words, any scenario where Alucard would be awakened is in my opinion a really BAD IDEA, and would quickly turn this arc into a mess (at least in my opinion), so unlike you I doubt that Ikeda is actually going to head in that direction...

I could see something like what you described Shinso Tsukune happening (the scenario where Tsukune finalizes his transformation, during his fight with Akua), if Tsukune's Shinso blood isn't enough to fully revive Alucard, but, well we don't know if something like that is possible, until Ikeda puts it into paper, after all Tsukune's case is a little "special" compared to an ordinary Shinso vampire, due to the fact that he was originally a human.

Well, i don't mind a reasonable conclusion between Tsukune and Akua but, that battle is a very important one so anything could happen and it could very well effect his Shinso power but i know how hazardous that is considering they will be doing battle in the same room as Alucard's partially awakened body, then again its like you said we still don't know if it's in sync with Alucard or not but i'm just saying that anything could happen.

As for the fight with Kuyou at first i didn't really see anything really happening except for it revealing Tsukune's growth but with that "transformation finalization" theory introduced, i have started to think the possibly that Tsukune having some sort of power-up between now and the time he reaches Akua, but then again a power-up has a very high chance of happening during his fight with her than his previous fights, unless something DOES happen before reaching Akua.

Do you guys read any other manga series?

LOL indeed, i read lots of other manga series but i haven't been here lately with the lack of discussion in the series so ive been occupied discussing other manga elsewhere. :)

MAX_COLA_POWER!
2012-02-13, 21:02
Off-topic: Well I got Hatsune Miku, I'm gonna be the envy of every fan of hers, yay for me?

On-topic: Seriously, team Tsukune needs to catch a break. I'm getting the vibe of, they're all gonna be exhausted once they reach vice-boss and final boss.

GrrDraxin
2012-02-13, 21:39
Off-topic: Well I got Hatsune Miku, I'm gonna be the envy of every fan of hers, yay for me?In what form? Pics of this would help loads too.

On-topic: Seriously, team Tsukune needs to catch a break. I'm getting the vibe of, they're all gonna be exhausted once they reach vice-boss and final boss.

As per usual, because most shonen mangas like to do that to their characters to make them "grow" another notch to effectively end the conflict at the last boss.

Chris38
2012-02-14, 02:16
@Shinso Tsukune

Let's look at this from a different perspective, shall we... :heh:

Well, before I begin, it should be pretty obvious that I'm assuming that Tsukune
transforming into his "berserk state", along with the destruction of the Holy Lock he wears, are two of the "required steps" for Tsukune to "finalize" his vampire transformation.

So,what do you think Outer Moka is going to think, if she sees Tsukune transforming into his "new" berserk state, right in front of her ?

Since, she's put under tremendous pressure, in trying to prevent Alucard's resurrection (at least according to Akua's statement from chapter 46), the shock might be enough to cause her to slip in her concentration, which would cause Outer Moka to disappear... (just stating the worst case scenario) and naturally lead to Alucard's resurrection as well.

After all we know how much Tsukune means to Outer Moka (actually it's both of her personalities, but since currently Outer Moka is the "active" personality, I'm talking about her) and how she feels responsible for Tsukune's transformation - Obviously,I assume you remember what Outer Moka tried to do when Tsukune's powers went out of control for the first time, and I think that we agree that this time, Tsukune underwent an even more major change, since unlike the first stage of Tsukune's "berserk state", the second stage is a lot more "monstrous" and doesn't have any similarities to a human...

So, that's one of the reasons why I believe Ikeda should avoid a scenario where the finalization of Tsukune's transformation occurs during his fight with Akua - after all Outer Moka would have a less serious shock, if Tsukune is going to appear in front of her in a more "humanoid" form, and where he would be capable of reassuring her again that he doesn't blame her for his transformation, as well as , that it was his decision to bring his "vampire transformation" to it's current stage...

Naturally, I also assume that Tsukune's "final form" is going to be a lot different then the forms he assumed earlier - and obviously this form is going to be something that would reveal that Tsukune has inherited Akasha's (and Moka's) Shinso blood.

@DragoZERO

Of course, I read some other manga's. It's just that I like to discuss this manga more, compared to the other manga's I read.

Alhazad2003
2012-02-14, 03:05
@Shinso Tsukune

Not to rain on your parade or anything, but I side with Chris38 on this one. Tsukune going berserk in Alucard's lair is way too dangerous, for reasons already stated. And remember how he pointed out how this arc might be going similarly to the final battle with Hokuto in season one? Hokuto inserted the Rosario, claimed victory, fought against Tsukune and Moka and lost. When everyone got to the altar, they realized the barrier had only been half released and was still salvageable. Look what's happening here: Alucard is rousing, Gyokuro makes her own "Mission Accomplished" statement, but it's not over. It could end the same way the Hokuto battle did, so let's be watchful from this point out.

As for this talk about Tsukune being "completed" during his fight with Kuyou, it made me wonder where I'd heard it before. Then I remembered, here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4666178/25/RosarioVampire_Baddest_Blood

You think Ikeda Akihisa reads fanfiction? With things taken from said fic as well as some of Ou Rex's fics, you gotta wonder sometimes. ^^;; Hopefully the battle with Kuyou in canon isn't nearly as horrifying as in the fic, Moka will not like Tsukune firing off a Giga Demonic Megiddo, that will not make her day. And for those interested in reading, when the actual fight begins, click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw4HD66CG1k I feel it makes great background music for the brawl. But maybe that's just me. ^^;; Anyway, can't wait for the next chapter.

kenjiharima
2012-02-14, 03:15
In previous chapter it is almost confirm that Yukari will be paired with Fong Fong, why i feel that this time Ikeda wants to put Mizore with Miyabi? Although i don't want that, i still want a harem trio: Moka (Outer and Inner), Kurumu and Mizore.


droll... She is sure still charming in every form :p

Agreed on that.


Speaking of Kurumu, she's in the 2012 WF. Probably one of the most attractive girls and figures.

http://sadpanda.us/images/842161-YTF8YTS.jpg

Tachibana
2012-02-14, 12:00
@Shinso Tsukune

Not to rain on your parade or anything, but I side with Chris38 on this one. Tsukune going berserk in Alucard's lair is way too dangerous, for reasons already stated. And remember how he pointed out how this arc might be going similarly to the final battle with Hokuto in season one? Hokuto inserted the Rosario, claimed victory, fought against Tsukune and Moka and lost. When everyone got to the altar, they realized the barrier had only been half released and was still salvageable. Look what's happening here: Alucard is rousing, Gyokuro makes her own "Mission Accomplished" statement, but it's not over. It could end the same way the Hokuto battle did, so let's be watchful from this point out.

As for this talk about Tsukune being "completed" during his fight with Kuyou, it made me wonder where I'd heard it before. Then I remembered, here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4666178/25/RosarioVampire_Baddest_Blood

You think Ikeda Akihisa reads fanfiction? With things taken from said fic as well as some of Ou Rex's fics, you gotta wonder sometimes. ^^;; Hopefully the battle with Kuyou in canon isn't nearly as horrifying as in the fic, Moka will not like Tsukune firing off a Giga Demonic Megiddo, that will not make her day. And for those interested in reading, when the actual fight begins, click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw4HD66CG1k I feel it makes great background music for the brawl. But maybe that's just me. ^^;; Anyway, can't wait for the next chapter.

@Shinso Tsukune

Let's look at this from a different perspective, shall we... :heh:

Well, before I begin, it should be pretty obvious that I'm assuming that Tsukune
transforming into his "berserk state", along with the destruction of the Holy Lock he wears, are two of the "required steps" for Tsukune to "finalize" his vampire transformation.

So,what do you think Outer Moka is going to think, if she sees Tsukune transforming into his "new" berserk state, right in front of her ?

Since, she's put under tremendous pressure, in trying to prevent Alucard's resurrection (at least according to Akua's statement from chapter 46), the shock might be enough to cause her to slip in her concentration, which would cause Outer Moka to disappear... (just stating the worst case scenario) and naturally lead to Alucard's resurrection as well.

After all we know how much Tsukune means to Outer Moka (actually it's both of her personalities, but since currently Outer Moka is the "active" personality, I'm talking about her) and how she feels responsible for Tsukune's transformation - Obviously,I assume you remember what Outer Moka tried to do when Tsukune's powers went out of control for the first time, and I think that we agree that this time, Tsukune underwent an even more major change, since unlike the first stage of Tsukune's "berserk state", the second stage is a lot more "monstrous" and doesn't have any similarities to a human...

So, that's one of the reasons why I believe Ikeda should avoid a scenario where the finalization of Tsukune's transformation occurs during his fight with Akua - after all Outer Moka would have a less serious shock, if Tsukune is going to appear in front of her in a more "humanoid" form, and where he would be capable of reassuring her again that he doesn't blame her for his transformation, as well as , that it was his decision to bring his "vampire transformation" to it's current stage...

Naturally, I also assume that Tsukune's "final form" is going to be a lot different then the forms he assumed earlier - and obviously this form is going to be something that would reveal that Tsukune has inherited Akasha's (and Moka's) Shinso blood.

@DragoZERO

Of course, I read some other manga's. It's just that I like to discuss this manga more, compared to the other manga's I read.

I understand completely where yall are coming from and i agree. Berserk transformation near Alucard = BAD IDEA, i know that both Omote and Ura would feel guilty and be pressured if they witnessed his form but i believe that in such an unlikely event they would go to great lengths to get their "destined man" back.

As for the finalization of Tsukune's transformation AKA Tsukune reaching his "final form" i imagined it happening as a result of Tsukune going into his Shinso monster form as a catalyst to reach his "final form" or he will probably reach his final form without the need for that Shinso monster form. I just wonder how Ikeda is going to play it out and what his final form will look like. :D

Khalil
2012-02-14, 12:35
Muda has preemptively dropped R+V II, to avoid DMCA notifications from Viz.

Magin
2012-02-14, 13:50
Damn... this is starting to further the idea that the reason why 2012 is supposed to be the "end of the world" is because free information and trade will be lost among the internet... but that's another story for another thread

So unless another group picks it up, I guess this is even more incentive to keep pursuing my studies of Japanese (the funny thing is, this series is one of the ones that started my incentive in the first place...)

Tachibana
2012-02-14, 14:12
This is an unfortunate series of events for all fans, scanlators and translators who love this series, though i am sadden by this hopefully someone will be able to pick up where Muda left off, but who knows how long that will be so i pray itle be soon, however we have other series we can continue reading until that time comes. :(

Chris38
2012-02-14, 15:26
That's some really sad news. Hopefully some other group will pick it up and continue working on it, in a similar quality that Muda did...

Alhazad2003
2012-02-14, 16:21
Man, that's rough. And Muda provided some real quality work, too. I'm hoping another group picks it up soon, and gives it the same treatment Muda did. For The Halibut definitely would, though after what happened at MangaStream, I think they're gonna be lying low for a while, as will everyone else. But, as long as we can be patient, another group will pick it up. So this isn't over, not by a longshot.

Tachibana
2012-02-14, 16:49
Well, if this series is going to be on hiatus until someone picks it up than i'll just stick to the summaries and raws.

Sinestra
2012-02-14, 16:58
im seriously getting ready to lead an armed information revolution seems like everything is being taken away. This is a sad day for all the fans of R+V and it has had a great run.

Im sure another group will pick up this up where it leaves off. Groups have been known to change their name and keep on translating or find other methods to distribute their work.

Either way im pretty fucking depressed right now

Tachibana
2012-02-14, 18:09
im seriously getting ready to lead an armed information revolution seems like everything is being taken away. This is a sad day for all the fans of R+V and it has had a great run.

Im sure another group will pick up this up where it leaves off. Groups have been known to change their name and keep on translating or find other methods to distribute their work.

Either way im pretty fucking depressed right now

I understand your pain my friend but always have hope. Rosario + Vampire was the series that got me interested in manga in the first place, i hate to see it go through these tough times. :(

kenjiharima
2012-02-15, 00:19
So what now? Where gonna depend on raws and translations? and just wait long months before we buy the licensed R+VsII?

GrrDraxin
2012-02-15, 01:52
Sinestra has it pretty close. I am on IRC with some of the members, and they say they're dropping it, but that's only the cover story for now, and that they'll work something out.

I suggested to them that they could still release the scripts for reading with a raw or like any other text only thing, like a short light novel. So hopefully they'll at least consider that route. Plus it covers their asses better than just trying to circumvent it by any other means.

Alhazad2003
2012-02-15, 02:54
Sinestra has it pretty close. I am on IRC with some of the members, and they say they're dropping it, but that's only the cover story for now, and that they'll work something out.

I suggested to them that they could still release the scripts for reading with a raw or like any other text only thing, like a short light novel. So hopefully they'll at least consider that route. Plus it covers their asses better than just trying to circumvent it by any other means.

I certainly hope so, sounds like as good a deal as we're gonna get at the moment, until another group steps up to the plate. I definitely don't want to wait almost two years before they catch up in Shonen Jump. And with the revisions they do, BLAH! No thanks. I'll take scanlations any day.

Mahou
2012-02-15, 04:27
So unless another group picks it up, I guess this is even more incentive to keep pursuing my studies of Japanese (the funny thing is, this series is one of the ones that started my incentive in the first place...)

Might be a nice idea. I have become pretty lazy with "in-depth" raw reading for a while, especially as trying to do summaries or whatever can be very, very frustrating as non-skilled jp. reader (like me). The one month break is in this case enough to "cool down" :heh:. And I terribly fail in doing non-literal translations.

Nontheless, it's an unfortunate turn of event since MudaScan was also relatively fast in releasing the chapters. R+V is the only manga where I read both raws and scanlation.

GrrDraxin
2012-02-15, 04:48
Well, if I could find an OCR program that can reliably lift kanji from whatever medium I feed it. I'd be happy even with a machine translation to get the gist of a chapter. However, I've only found one such program (RealReader Lite 5.1)... but it's IN japanese, so I would need someone who knows something about it to write up guide , or do a translation on the menus and windows.

Merilyn Mensola
2012-02-15, 05:01
What a bad news...i hope that another group would pick this..

i hope we don't have to wait much time for it..damn.

HayashiTakara
2012-02-15, 08:23
Wait... R+V got dropped? OMFG! *head explodes*

Tempest35
2012-02-15, 09:30
And just when we reached 2M views... :sad:

DAMN YOU AND YOUR 'ABOMINABLE' TRANSLATORS, VIZ!!! ><

HayashiTakara
2012-02-15, 09:35
Will the #1 thread in the manga section of Animesuki fade away? :(

Tachibana
2012-02-15, 09:58
Will the #1 thread in the manga section of Animesuki fade away? :(

No thats definitely not gonna happen this is no doubt one of the most popular series our there, since R+V is on hiatus for the time being you can consider this the "calm before the storm"

But i can do fine with raws and summaries. :)

I absolutely do not blame Muda for this, that damn..... Viz...

Chris38
2012-02-15, 12:00
No thats definitely not gonna happen this is no doubt one of the most popular series our there, since R+V is on hiatus for the time being you can consider this the "calm before the storm"

But i can do fine with raws and summaries. :)

I absolutely do not blame Muda for this, that damn..... Viz...

Well we will see what will happen when the next chapter comes out.

After all, it's possible for another, less popular, scan group to continue the work of Muda.

Magin
2012-02-15, 13:01
I'm sure that while no one will release a true scanlation for a while, I'm going to assume that there will always be translations made of each new chapter. And about the RAWs... well, I can't say anything about the quality they'll be in, but RAWs are in any "true" danger (or at least, not any more than they've been in for the past year or so)

Sinestra
2012-02-15, 13:04
I wish i could read RAWs but my Japanese is still not good enough. This is not the end theres no way that anyone is going to let this manga die not with the following it has.

kenjiharima
2012-02-16, 00:07
Omg! Indeed 2million + views and the latest news is R+VsII scanlations being dropped....

Well we just have to read the raws and translations per panel for now till a group scanlates it. It's really different feel when you read that way... :(

Iam waiting now for viz next copy of R+VsII

Oh well at least we have R+V's bombshell at WF

http://imgur.com/a/RQnXe#0

Tachibana
2012-02-16, 11:17
Omg! Indeed 2million + views and the latest news is R+VsII scanlations being dropped....

Well we just have to read the raws and translations per panel for now till a group scanlates it. It's really different feel when you read that way... :(

Iam waiting now for viz next copy of R+VsII

Oh well at least we have R+V's bombshell at WF

http://imgur.com/a/RQnXe#0

2 million NICE!

I like Viz Because they deliver english translated japanese manga to the US in which i buy of course, but at the same time they pull shit like this, they're like a double edged sword, no matter how i grasp it i still bleed.

GO KURUMU!

Mahou
2012-02-16, 15:56
Well, if I could find an OCR program that can reliably lift kanji from whatever medium I feed it. I'd be happy even with a machine translation to get the gist of a chapter. However, I've only found one such program (RealReader Lite 5.1)... but it's IN japanese, so I would need someone who knows something about it to write up guide , or do a translation on the menus and windows.

Mhm, a summary and/or the script (aka just the conversations and thoughts) wouldn't be a problem. Outside of scanlations, there are surely a few blogs who do quick summarys of the chapter. And depending on the raw quality even I can decipher the kanjis thanks to furigana, but the end result is uhm ... nothing to brag with to put it friendly :heh:

Let's wait what will happen next month scanlation-wise. As long as it sounds natural I could care less if the group is popular or not.

Cio
2012-02-16, 23:02
A very sad news indeed. First Filehosting get attacked, now scanlation being targetted... -.-

I can and have experience (Ar Tonelico II Manga) in editting the RAW into english as long as the translation is there. Although not too expert. So if there is no group scanlated my fav manga, i think i will work for it.

Chris38
2012-02-17, 01:20
A very sad news indeed. First Filehosting get attacked, now scanlation being targetted... -.-

I can and have experience (Ar Tonelico II Manga) in editting the RAW into english as long as the translation is there. Although not too expert. So if there is no group scanlated my fav manga, i think i will work for it.

Hopefully Muda will continue providing us with their translations, so that you or some other group will be willing to pick it up.

Anyway, going back to the topic of the manga (since it seems that we have gotten a little off-topic, due to the sad news :uhoh:), what do you think the next chapter is going to be about...

If I have to put any guesses I would say that it's going to be mostly about Tsukune's rematch with Kuyou, with some small mention on what is currently going on with Kurumu and Mizore...

After all, I still believe that Tsukune is going to undergo some interesting developments, during his fight with Kuyou... which will make him "ready" to face Akua...

Unless you want me to say that he is going to have to fight someone else, like Kahula for example ? Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't believe that's likely, because, from the looks of it, she seems to be in Miyabi's division - at least it seems that way, based upon the statement Miyabi has made in the Yuki Onna village, where Miyabi has said, that he is the one who recruited her...

Not to mention that fighting Kahula wouldn't be wise, especially before Tsukune's big fight against Akua, since even if Tsukune has a superior amount of youkai energy compared to an ordinary vampire, it's quite certain that there is a limit on the amount of energy he can safely use, so taking part in a lot of fights, before Tsukune faces Akua, would be, in my opinion, a little reckless...

Alhazad2003
2012-02-17, 04:24
Anyway, going back to the topic of the manga (since it seems that we have gotten a little off-topic, due to the sad news :uhoh:), what do you think the next chapter is going to be about...

If I have to put any guesses I would say that it's going to be mostly about Tsukune's rematch with Kuyou, with some small mention on what is currently going on with Kurumu and Mizore...

After all, I still believe that Tsukune is going to undergo some interesting developments, during his fight with Kuyou... which will make him "ready" to face Akua...

Unless you want me to say that he is going to have to fight someone else, like Kahula for example ? Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't believe that's likely, because, from the looks of it, she seems to be in Miyabi's division - at least it seems that way, based upon the statement Miyabi has made in the Yuki Onna village, where Miyabi has said, that he is the one who recruited her...

Not to mention that fighting Kahula wouldn't be wise, especially before Tsukune's big fight against Akua, since even if Tsukune has a superior amount of youkai energy compared to an ordinary vampire, it's quite certain that there is a limit on the amount of energy he can safely use, so taking part in a lot of fights, before Tsukune faces Akua, would be, in my opinion, a little reckless...


I agree with pretty much all of your points, except for Kahlua being in Miyabi's subdivision. Since she's Gyokuro's daughter, I surmise she works at HQ, she only assisted the First Subdivision in the Snow Maiden sortie with her mother's permission. I don't doubt she's helping Miyabi more than her mother would approve, but that's just a small complaint. I think we'll see exactly where she stands soon enough.

As for Tsukune, yes, Kuyou makes for the perfect, um, warm-up, before his epic showdown with Akuha. And regardless of how much of a mismatch it looks on paper, I'm still pulling for Tsukune. He must defeat Akuha and demonstrate that he's Moka's destined one, not her. After that, who can say, though I doubt we'll ever see Akuha again after this arc. I, for one, won't miss her.

Mahou
2012-02-17, 05:34
Anyway, going back to the topic of the manga (since it seems that we have gotten a little off-topic, due to the sad news :uhoh:), what do you think the next chapter is going to be about...


~ 75 % Tsukune versus Kyou and ~ 25 % Kurumi, Mizore, Miyabi, Kiria would be my guess. Maybe a short cut-in to Alucard's chamber or to Gyokuro for a few comments or so.

What I'd like to see? Tsukune overwhelms Kyou during the first few combat exchanges until the latter decides to go full-power. Just to show a power outline and to make Kuyou think "WTF just happened" :D

Tachibana
2012-02-17, 10:49
I agree with pretty much all of your points, except for Kahlua being in Miyabi's subdivision. Since she's Gyokuro's daughter, I surmise she works at HQ, she only assisted the First Subdivision in the Snow Maiden sortie with her mother's permission. I don't doubt she's helping Miyabi more than her mother would approve, but that's just a small complaint. I think we'll see exactly where she stands soon enough.

As for Tsukune, yes, Kuyou makes for the perfect, um, warm-up, before his epic showdown with Akuha. And regardless of how much of a mismatch it looks on paper, I'm still pulling for Tsukune. He must defeat Akuha and demonstrate that he's Moka's destined one, not her. After that, who can say, though I doubt we'll ever see Akuha again after this arc. I, for one, won't miss her.

Kahlua has been trained to follow orders from a young age. In the Snow Village Arc, Miyabi told her no matter what the boss (Gyokuro) says hes the one who hired her and her alone. Gyokuro being Kahlua's mother i'm unsure if Kahlua will side with her but at the same time her love for her sister Moka seems to be on her mind, i'm hoping that she'll join Tsukune's group in the future to help Moka. But i believe Kahlua is on Miyabi's side for the time being.

I totally agree, Tsukune needs to prove to Moka Akashiya that hes not only her destined one by defeating Akua but to show that he is capable of finally standing on his own two legs without needing help. Kuyou will make a nice guinea pig to test Tsukune's abilities but i'm starting to wonder if Miyabi set this up to see how strong Tsukune is.

aigomorla
2012-02-17, 14:51
Tsuki needs to get on Shuzen's good side, so Shuzen takes Tsuki's possition and tells Gyokuro to go back being a house wife and sit in the kitchen and stop the twisted and bent plans on world domination.

(dont mean to offend any feminist in this statement)

Magin
2012-02-17, 14:56
... you're obviously not aware that if you go tell a woman to stay in the kitchen, it also happens to be where all the knives are kept. Add two and two from there.

And on a random side note, interesting choice of avy (and yes, I have seen it)

Tachibana
2012-02-17, 15:02
Tsuki needs to get on Shuzen's good side, so Shuzen takes Tsuki's possition and tells Gyokuro to go back being a house wife and sit in the kitchen and stop the twisted and bent plans on world domination.

(dont mean to offend any feminist in this statement)

Gyokuro: HEY RAT! WHY AREN'T YOU DEAD YET?!

Tsukune: Why aren't you in the kitchen?

Issa: LOL!

Akasha: Bitch got told! :D

OWNED :D

(No offense to feminist either i respect women very much but i did this for teh lulz)

aigomorla
2012-02-17, 15:08
... you're obviously not aware that if you go tell a woman to stay in the kitchen, it also happens to be where all the knives are kept. Add two and two from there.


mmm good point..
Tell her to stay home be a house wife, take up fan dancing and flower arrangements like a typical Ojou?

Gyokuro: HEY RAT! WHY AREN'T YOU DEAD YET?!

Tsukune: Why aren't you in the kitchen?

Issa: LOL!

Akasha: Bitch got told! :D

OWNED :D

LOLOL....

Chris38
2012-02-17, 15:09
Kahlua has been trained to follow orders from a young age. In the Snow Village Arc, Miyabi told her no matter what the boss (Gyokuro) says hes the one who hired her and her alone. Gyokuro being Kahlua's mother i'm unsure if Kahlua will side with her but at the same time her love for her sister Moka seems to be on her mind, i'm hoping that she'll join Tsukune's group in the future to help Moka. But i believe Kahlua is on Miyabi's side for the time being.

I totally agree, Tsukune needs to prove to Moka Akashiya that hes not only her destined one by defeating Akua but to show that he is capable of finally standing on his own two legs without needing help. Kuyou will make a nice guinea pig to test Tsukune's abilities but i'm starting to wonder if Miyabi set this up to see how strong Tsukune is.

Well, Miyabi should already have known how strong Tsukune is, since he fought him, before, and Hokuto definitely made him aware of the fact that Tsukune has learned youjutsu techniques, and is capable of wiping out an entire room full of monsters with a single technique...

Furthermore, I doubt that Kuyou is strong enough to withstand the full potential of Tsukune's Shinso power (currently represented by Tsukune's "new" berserk form), since I don't think that Tsukune is consciously able to control that power yet... although, like I said earlier, Kuyou should be strong enough to bring Tsukune to the limit of power that he is currently capable of controlling, after which Tsukune's "berserk form" is going to be most likely brought out again...

On another topic, let's not forget that there are 1 or 2 Fairy Tale subdivision leaders that haven't been introduced yet, and while I hope that they will appear after Tsukune's reinforcements appear ( In the form of Tohou Fuhai, Gin, Kokoa and the rest of the group that have been training in Hong Kong), but since at times this manga is pretty unpredictable they could also appear before Tsukune's group and Kurumu's and Mizore's group right now (or at least, after Tsukune's battle with Kuyou is over), which would be a problem, since I think that they don't have much time, before Alucard fully resurrects.

Alhazad2003
2012-02-18, 05:07
Well, Miyabi should already have known how strong Tsukune is, since he fought him, before, and Hokuto definitely made him aware of the fact that Tsukune has learned youjutsu techniques, and is capable of wiping out an entire room full of monsters with a single technique...

Furthermore, I doubt that Kuyou is strong enough to withstand the full potential of Tsukune's Shinso power (currently represented by Tsukune's "new" berserk form), since I don't think that Tsukune is consciously able to control that power yet... although, like I said earlier, Kuyou should be strong enough to bring Tsukune to the limit of power that he is currently capable of controlling, after which Tsukune's "berserk form" is going to be most likely brought out again...

On another topic, let's not forget that there are 1 or 2 Fairy Tale subdivision leaders that haven't been introduced yet, and while I hope that they will appear after Tsukune's reinforcements appear ( In the form of Tohou Fuhai, Gin, Kokoa and the rest of the group that have been training in Hong Kong), but since at times this manga is pretty unpredictable they could also appear before Tsukune's group and Kurumu's and Mizore's group right now (or at least, after Tsukune's battle with Kuyou is over), which would be a problem, since I think that they don't have much time, before Alucard fully resurrects.

Oh, I'm pretty sure Kuyou will push Tsukune to the limit, I'd expect no less from him. There's a year of bad blood boiling in his veins, and he plans to unleash it against our troubled hero in the next chapter. Hopefully that's a secure dimension, because if not, there's a chance Tsukune could awaken Alucard by going into his new berserk form. Then it would be game over for everyone.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the group ran into either Gairen (because of Miyabi) or the last subdivision leader before they reach Alucard's lair. And there's also the chance Gyokuro herself might appear thanks to Miyabi's obvious treachery. They might duke it out there and then, while the others go forward towards their destiny. And as you said, the clock is ticking. Time is running out, both for Moka and their world. The next chapter will undoubtedly be epic, and then some. :D

Chris38
2012-02-18, 07:35
@Alhazad2003

Personally, I doubt that Alucard is going to be awakened, because of Tsukune's powers going out of control during his fight with Kuyou, due to the fact that if Moka wouldn't be saved, this arc wouldn't have a lot of sense...

Not to mention the fact that I really doubt that Ikeda is an author who would actually kill his main female protagonist (which is undoubtedly Moka).

Furthermore, I don't see the point of Alucard awakening at the moment, since first of all - the protagonists are too weak to have a chance of surviving such an encounter, since Inner Moka's Shinso blood is still sealed by the Rosario, not to mention that I doubt she is capable of drawing or controlling the full extent of her Shinso powers, due to the fact that they where sealed shortly after she has awakened them, and after she met Tsukune, well I haven't seen anything that would actually suggest that she has been training to become stronger. (though, I'm quite sure that Tsukune's outstanding progress, during their one month separation is definitely going to change that :heh: )... and I probably don't have to mention, how much control Tsukune has in controlling his power (although his confrontation with Kuyou is definitely going to change that a little)

Overall, I think that you would agree that Tsukune and Moka are still children, at least compared to Alucard... in other words, they are no match for him.

The second reason, why I doubt that Alucard is going to be revived is because.. this arc is probably going to introduce a lot of enemies that Tsukune, Moka and their friends would need to deal with, making their third year at Youkai Academy a quite eventful event...

I mean we already have been introduced to the Masked King, and Miyabi along with Kiria and Hokuto are definitely up to no good, and I definitely see them returning as major antagonists, once this arc is over.

There is also the fact that, most likely the truth about Tsukune - that he was a human who obtained the blood of a Shinso vampire - is going to become public after his confrontation with Akua, which would probably turn a large portion of the vampire population against Tsukune and Moka - who's probably going to be blamed for creating such an "abomination" like Tsukune (at least that's how I think a lot of vampires are going to consider Tsukune's "status", considering how vampires have been portrayed in this series so far :p)

Anyway, the protagonists are definitely going to have their hands full, after this arc is over, and also adding Alucard into the equation is definitely going to be too much trouble, at least at the current moment, since I definitely see him being brought into the picture, after the protagonists deal with a few of their future potential enemies...

Oh, and before I forget, there is also the matter of Tsukune's "human" family becoming aware of the changes that he underwent as well as the fact that he is going to a school for monsters, which I believe is going to happen, after the current arc is over - done in a similar fashion as it happened near the end of the first season of the manga - after all, like I said earlier Tsukune has definitely made some pretty powerful enemies and some of them *cough* The Masked King *cough*, don't care about the law preventing ayashi from taking part in the affair's of the human world, so once Tsukune's origins are going to be revealed, his human family is definitely going to be in danger and would require protection either from the Youkai Academy or the Wong family - meaning that I don't see the point of Tsukune's family still being kept in the dark about the situation that Tsukune has gotten involved in.