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Valashu
2007-08-24, 04:56
Maybe some of you have experiened it before when someone in youre surrounding is wandering why you still watch (in there eyes) cartoons. Some of you still has an age wichit its considert to be normal, but there are plenty of people whom are on a age wich its found to be "weird" for watching anime.
People in my surrounding do at least.

So this is about how do you respond when a classmate/friend/familiy member or partner asks you why are you still into this.
Since im new i dont know how many times this thread was placed in the past, but im curious to the results.

As for me ive choosen "you like that and I like this", response.

-KarumA-
2007-08-24, 05:15
depends on the age...
sometimes i just ignore them and continiue with my own bussiness, some people just stay with their its for kids standard and dont want to listen anyway

usually i start telling them about the difference, like what parts get cut out certain series to make it appropiate for kids

and i mention series that have gorie scenes in them, like Elfen Lied and tell them about the series, or i show them some stuff from youtube, which didnt excist back int he days

but usually i keep it to myself.. unless i know this person watches other series than just pokemon and dbz :P but allof the people i know only watch shows like naruto and bleach and non of the actual good stuff, like evangelion and recent airing series, i always try to prusuade them that there is beter stuff than naruto and bleach to enjoy but they never listen to my advice anyways -_-; they just go rampart on how they know where to get the latest episodes while everyone here knows it by now for ages.. i find that annoying.. people always thinking of either kiddy stuff or hentai.. when i watch mecha theyre like okaaay... but they think it is stupid and complicated.. and when i try to explain the series to them they get confussed, when recommend it to watch they just shrug and dont watch it anyway.. i find it hard to explain the difference because they arent interested in knowing it...

also whenever i try to tell them about things or watch random clips on youtube, for example end of evangelion, Rei's arm falling off in front of Adam, they go o.o; wtf are you watching, because she is nude.. they assume im either watching hentai or kiddy stuff... kiddy stuff cause of comedy anime like azumanga and lucky star and hentai cause for example the nudity in Elfen Lied and Evangelion... but i do not bother in explaining the difference between hentai and more older teens series.. cause then they ask if i ever watch it and think im a perv.. people can be very dense...

Valashu
2007-08-24, 05:34
depends on the age...
sometimes i just ignore them and continiue with my own bussiness, some people just stay with their its for kids standard and dont want to listen anyway

usually i start telling them about the difference, like what parts get cut out certain series to make it appropiate for kids

and i mention series that have gorie scenes in them, like Elfen Lied and tell them about the series, or i show them some stuff from youtube, which didnt excist back int he days

but usually i keep it to myself.. unless i know this person watches other series than just pokemon and dbz :P but allof the people i know only watch shows like naruto and bleach and non of the actual good stuff, like evangelion and recent airing series, i always try to prusuade them that there is beter stuff than naruto and bleach to enjoy but they never listen to my advice anyways -_-; they just go rampart on how they know where to get the latest episodes while everyone here knows it by now for ages.. i find that annoying.. people always thinking of either kiddy stuff or hentai.. when i watch mecha theyre like okaaay... but they think it is stupid and complicated.. and when i try to explain the series to them they get confussed, when recommend it to watch they just shrug and dont watch it anyway.. i find it hard to explain the difference because they arent interested in knowing it...

also whenever i try to tell them about things or watch random clips on youtube, for example end of evangelion, Rei's arm falling off in front of Adam, they go o.o; wtf are you watching, because she is nude.. they assume im either watching hentai or kiddy stuff... kiddy stuff cause of comedy anime like azumanga and lucky star and hentai cause for example the nudity in Elfen Lied and Evangelion... but i do not bother in explaining the difference between hentai and more older teens series.. cause then they ask if i ever watch it and think im a perv.. people can be very dense...

I have the same thing, Elfen Lied for example my first Anime serie i watched next to the regular shounen like DBZ, naruto and bleach. I began to watch it and like you said theres nudity and a hol lot of blood right away, when a couple of friends watched a scene with me, there were like... wtf are you watching... and yes hentai and weirdo were blooming like violets. but if they bother to watch elfen lied.... it really does pisses me of..
Its strange that people cant make the jump from DBZ/naruto/bleach to all the other (better) series.

Atheuz
2007-08-24, 08:29
Depends on the anime. I mean if it's Lucky Star or Azumanga Daioh, then I can understand and I do realize it's mainly focused for children - But for that I answer, so what? It's hilarious and we all need some randomness in our lives once in a while.

Mainly though, they don't realize that there's more violent, dramatic, gory... anime out there than Naruto, DBZ or Bleach. I just tell them; "I get what you're saying, must have been when all those people were killed, that guy got cut over, or they had sex it was aimed for children. Not for teenagers/adults." - After that they usually shut up.

HurricaneHige
2007-08-24, 08:36
Actually Lucky Star isnt really for "children", have u watched it? Its humor is specifically targeted at Otakus and everyday life humor, children would never get the humor in it....

Back to the topic, I usually just ignore them and admit i'm kid since debating with them its pointless, debating with anyone that grew up in the mainstream American society is fruitless since they'll somehow come up with the most senseless arguments and think they were talking intelligently

mcruz1014
2007-08-24, 08:44
I think that people need to realize that in Japan, where anime is originally created and produced, anime is treated like regular television. For this reason, the content in anime shows varies from shonen fare like DBZ and Naruto, to comedies that children can watch like Lucky Star, and then to more mature themed shows like Evangelion, Death Note, and Elfen Lied. This differs from the international view of cartoons, which is that cartoons are only geared towards kids, and therefore only should be watched by young children. So while those of us who are anime fans and culturally aware can see past the stigma that anime is also "just for kids", the people around us who are not just see them as cartoons. In my experience, quite a few people that I have introduced to anime (all types, not just shonen), with a little bit of explanation, have become quite fond of it. So maybe folks, all that friend or sibling or parent needs is to sit down and watch with you one day.

-KarumA-
2007-08-24, 09:02
I have the same thing, Elfen Lied for example my first Anime serie i watched next to the regular shounen like DBZ, naruto and bleach. I began to watch it and like you said theres nudity and a hol lot of blood right away, when a couple of friends watched a scene with me, there were like... wtf are you watching... and yes hentai and weirdo were blooming like violets. but if they bother to watch elfen lied.... it really does pisses me of..
Its strange that people cant make the jump from DBZ/naruto/bleach to all the other (better) series.

Elfen Lied is oneof the standard things you can tell them about that is quite obvious with the blood and nudity, they think it is that all the time..

as for childeren comedy, i decided to have a friend take a look at some good anime stuff, he's into South Park and stuff liek that so i gave him FLCL along for the summer holiday to check it out, i wonr how that went im seeing him again the 1st of September when my semester starts

as for the Rei part, i was watching anime hell in class, some scenes were pretty weird but witht he Rei the person sitting behind me was like WTH when her arm fell of, he asked why.. but i didnt bother to explaining how AT fields work and where Rei comes from.. sometimes its too much work to tell them about things

As for Lucky Star, many people i know would say it is a childeren series because of the art work, but as said above you need to see it to get the point that ti isnt a childeren series

DarkBlood
2007-08-24, 09:24
I usually try to explain that the most of all anime here in Sweden is for reaaaally really small children, the anime we have here is Pokémon, digimon and that crap.
Then I keep on by telling them about Hellsing or maybe Elfen Lied or any other bloody anime if they are not yet satisfied with the first answer.

Daniel E.
2007-08-24, 11:32
Depends on the anime. I mean if it's Lucky Star or Azumanga Daioh, then I can understand and I do realize it's mainly focused for children

WTF!? Azumanga Daioh, a show aimed at children?? :twitch:

And as for the topic, I am old enough not to care about what people think of my hobbies. ;)

-KarumA-
2007-08-24, 12:35
And as for the topic, I am old enough not to care about what people think of my hobbies. ;)

so true, i dont bother anymore either, though sometimes i wished i had someone in person to talk to it about :)

neutralizer
2007-08-24, 12:38
Sometimes its really awkward when the anime has ecchi scenes and someone asks me why I'm watching cartoons.

SeijiSensei
2007-08-24, 13:02
As you can imagine given my *cough* advanced age, I've encountered this question from a variety of people over the past couple of years. One issue is the age of the person asking the question. It seems that you're all talking about people who are more or less age peers, but who are appalled that you're still watching "kiddy" stuff. I'm also interested in older folks who've not been exposed to anime at all discovering that cartoons can portray adult themes.

Some of these issues are discussed in the "how old is too old to watch anime" thread here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=33272

and the "how do you locate anime fans thread" here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=39751

I've written about anime for older folks in a number of places, in particular:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=761478&postcount=71
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=774379&postcount=3
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=822198&postcount=14
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=876794&postcount=67

As you'll see if you read my postings, I tend to look for shows where the main characters are themselves adults. Just having lots of gore or nudity doesn't make a show "adult" in my book if the characters are all kids or teens in some type of uncomplicated battle between good and evil. What makes a show adult to me is that it portrays adults dealing with adult issues. So my recommendation typically is to introduce older folks to anime though movies like Mononoke Hime or series like Hataraki Man or Bartender.

And, like Daniel, I'm old enough to ignore other people's opinions, too.

Sometimes its really awkward when the anime has ecchi scenes and someone asks me why I'm watching cartoons.

Gee, I would have thought that in situations like that the answer is rather obvious :)

Atheuz
2007-08-24, 14:17
WTF!? Azumanga Daioh, a show aimed at children?? :twitch:

And as for the topic, I am old enough not to care about what people think of my hobbies. ;)

Well seeing as there are almost zero sexual(except for the pedo teacher) nor violent themes and it's mainly based around comedy and randomness - Even it's animation style emphasizes the "fun" part of the scenes(Really there's nothing more than Sakaki going floppy mode trying to pet the cat that continously bites her with those razor teeth) - It may be aimed at a little older groups such as adolescents, but really children will be entertained by watching it - Which in my book, makes it an anime that's fit for children to watch.

Don't be too hard on me, I don't watch a lot of kiddy anime. I could have said Pokémon or Digimon - But those are just retarded.

Daniel E.
2007-08-24, 14:36
Don't be too hard on me, I don't watch a lot of kiddy anime. I could have said Pokémon or Digimon - But those are just retarded.

Sorry, that was never my intention. I apologize.

I was just a bit surprised by your comment. :p

Terrestrial Dream
2007-08-24, 14:37
"Go and watch Elfin Lied and come back and then tell me if anime is for kids" That would be my respond.

Kitsune
2007-08-24, 15:23
Just needed to let them see an episode of evangelion, nobody can say that is for children

Kenshigi
2007-08-24, 15:23
It's just what mainstream anime in America is ment too target. Fuck,even the uncut DBZ had decapitations.

Aoie_Emesai
2007-08-24, 16:32
Just like your mom of course ^_^. I don't really care anymore what people thought of me. As long it isn't so perverse, then i'm all good.

Kamui4356
2007-08-24, 17:16
I've thought of showing people something like the first minute of Lain, but I usually decide that it would cause more trouble than it's worth. :heh: I've thought of showing the first bit of elfen lied too, but that's most certainly not the view of anime I'd want to present. :uhoh:

Then I point out that animation doesn't mean it's for children, and cite examples of American animation targeted at older audiences. That usually works, for a while anyway.

CandyVanMan
2007-08-24, 20:10
I'm viewed as generally creepy by anybody who knows me, so they often prefer not to ask. For those who make the mistake, I usually suggest they run a Google image search for "Bible Black" and only turn off SafeSearch at their own risk.

Even better, if I happen to have a manga on me (I often do:heh:) I'll pull it out and let them skim it. My current carry-arounds are Negima, Yubisaki Milk Tea, Claymore, or Welcome to the NHK... If nothing new comes out that week, it's Chobits, Mahoromatic, Dears, or Love Hina...:D

suguru
2007-08-24, 20:15
Maybe some of you have experiened it before when someone in youre surrounding is wandering why you still watch (in there eyes) cartoons. Some of you still has an age wichit its considert to be normal, but there are plenty of people whom are on a age wich its found to be "weird" for watching anime.
People in my surrounding do at least.

So this is about how do you respond when a classmate/friend/familiy member or partner asks you why are you still into this.
Since im new i dont know how many times this thread was placed in the past, but im curious to the results.

As for me ive choosen "you like that and I like this", response.

I think you have the right answer--everyone likes different things, and watching anime isn't something they should be critical of, any more than you can be critical of someone for liking the color green. Someone once said you only truly become an adult when you stop worrying about if things are childish, and I think that's true. I'm in my thirties, happily married, and I love anime--and as long as I enjoy it, who can say my hobby is 'silly' or 'just for kids'? Hell, you can make any hobby sound stupid if you try--is saving little pieces of adhesive paper (stamp collecting) a more "grown-up" hobby than anime? Or creating your own make-believe football or baseball team and having pretend games? (fantasy sports) Or hitting a ball with a stick and trying to see if you can get it to roll into a little hole? (golf) Or staring at a box on the other side of the room for hours on end? (television in general)

I think people who belittle watching anime by writing it off as "childish" are just close-minded--they're following the herd and criticizing it because it's different and they don't understand it. If they actually sat down and watched anime with an open mind, maybe they'd hate it, maybe they'd love it, but they wouldn't be able to say "this is kid stuff." I won't say anime's deeper and more profound than your average 'normal' TV show since that's not always true--but to me, anime is entertaining, it's a form of art, I enjoyed it when I was 3, I enjoy it now, and I hope if I live to be 100 I'll still be watching (although I may need a bigger monitor by then to read the subs).

ShadowVlican
2007-08-24, 21:12
"Go and watch Elfin Lied and come back and then tell me if anime is for kids" That would be my respond.
lol same here :D

KholdStare
2007-08-24, 21:41
Just like many said before, anime in Japan is regular TV. Thus, the better question is:

In Japan, is TV for kids?

And again, the answer is simple. TV has a variety of shows, and anime has a variety of genres. Not all anime is for kids, but many are. The answer is the same for any other countries, since anime is a very broad term that describes Japanese animation. It's too vague to have a yes or no answer, and a better question would be to bring up specific genres and then we'll have a debate.

Some good questions are, "Should homosexuality portrayed in anime be seen by children?" "Should incest and other unusual relationships such as teacher-student relationships be seen by children?" "How far can fantasy violence go? Does this include blood?" "How far can the hints for a sexual relationship go?" "How much is excessive nudity?"

anselfir
2007-08-24, 22:46
Well many animu is for kids, and many not for kids shows are still for kids, with the overused cliches and genre. But, it is clearly srs business.

Kyomi
2007-08-24, 23:04
I've thought of showing the first bit of elfen lied too, but that's most certainly not the view of anime I'd want to present. :uhoh:



Why? You get to prove that there's Blood, Gore and Boobies pretty quickly, ain't that what anime is about o.O?

As for myself I just annihilate whoever dares to stand in my way saying Anime is for kids.

anselfir
2007-08-24, 23:12
closest 'for kids' shows are the shonen stuff, the rest are pretty much otaku-ish niche.

magical girl shows are both niche and appealing to kids i suppose. kids will watch everything that moves.

incidentally, with anime, the more plot it has, the more likely it is targeted at the general audience.

Kamui4356
2007-08-25, 00:07
Why? You get to prove that there's Blood, Gore and Boobies pretty quickly, ain't that what anime is about o.O?

As for myself I just annihilate whoever dares to stand in my way saying Anime is for kids.

Because then it goes from all anime is for kids to all anime is ultra violent porn. :twitch: Between the two, I'd rather have them think anime is for kids.

The type of person with the view that anime is for kids is most likely going to assume any given part you show him to try to disprove it is representive of the whole. I can't fault them entirely on that, as it's logical to assume the anime you're showing them is a representive sample. The first bit of Elfen Lied is most certainly not what I'd want someone to think of when they hear the word anime. :uhoh:

aolas
2007-08-25, 00:47
yeah my parents say that thing too, "cartoon is for kids"
but i explained that anime is different from cartoon, and anime not ONLY for children because some anime has some nudity, politic, and war/blood-thirsty killer , and that not good if kids watch`em(especially kids in my country) . yeah but i also explain there`s some anime for children such as anpanman, & doraemon maybe

Spark
2007-08-25, 01:01
How would I respond?

Oh... I'd probably say sure, some of it is. And then I'd say well.. some of it isn't. And then I'd point em to the movies, and draw some nifty correlation there. Cuz we all know anime and the movies is like the best correlation out there. Just like there are certain movies for kids and certain movies for adults, there are certain anime for kids and certain anime for adults.

Yep, that's how I would respond. Mmk, off to bed for me. Laterz!

Inferied
2007-08-25, 01:03
I have the same thing, Elfen Lied for example my first Anime serie i watched next to the regular shounen like DBZ, naruto and bleach. I began to watch it and like you said theres nudity and a hol lot of blood right away, when a couple of friends watched a scene with me, there were like... wtf are you watching... and yes hentai and weirdo were blooming like violets. but if they bother to watch elfen lied.... it really does pisses me of..
Its strange that people cant make the jump from DBZ/naruto/bleach to all the other (better) series.
To Elfen Lied? Seriously, I'm watching anime for a year already, and I find NARUTO better than Elfen Lied... It's overall much more enjoyable because it lacks nudity and violence...

About my situation... I just say them that animation is just form, and anime has as many genres as usual film, blah blah after that.

However, in my family, cartoons have never been considered childish... I have a cousin, she's in high school(several years older than me) and still watches american cartoons sometimes. And one of the reasons I started wathing anime was because I felt like stuff showed in our TV was boring, repetitive and childish. There were never any serious topics or themes, not even mention of romance or sex...
Then I downloaded Full Metal Panic and it had a joke about condoms.

KaneDragon
2007-08-25, 01:23
Isnt Anime for kids? How do you respond?

Probably, but I am bored, and have no life. ;_;

It's not something I can really imagine justifying, and I'm used to the Pokemon-stereotype.

Echoes
2007-08-25, 02:09
I think it's been said perfectly already, I don't care what other people think about my hobbies. Not only is the statement regarding anime being for children only not true, but even if it were and I enjoyed it, that alone would be enough reason to watch it.

Black_Rose
2007-08-25, 05:26
I think it is for kids too i started watching anime when i was eight and my first real anime was love hina and i had like one mvie and four dvd thingys Some anime isnt some is.

Black_Rose
2007-08-25, 05:28
Oh yea also when i was ten my mom through away msost of my anime because i was too young for some of it sooo.....But i totlay disagee with my mother.

4Tran
2007-08-25, 09:00
I'd just say that they're largely correct. Some anime are meant for children, while others aren't; but it's just an academic difference for everyone except anime companies. A much better question is whether a show is worth watching or not: and it's possible for children's shows to be quite good regardless of age-group.

And as for the topic, I am old enough not to care about what people think of my hobbies. ;)
Precisely. Age hath its privileges.
There's nothing wrong with an adult who likes watching Cardcaptor Sakura or Hikaru no Go (even though it's a thinly veiled 30-minute commercial for a board game :p).

Kyomi
2007-08-25, 09:32
Besides, for me Anime has a deeper and much stronger plot and storyline (for the ones I like to watch anyways) compared to those Boring Tv shows where it's just the same thing going on over and over.
The only thing I like to watch on broadcast Tv is comedy, otherwise I feel Hollywood is just screwing with me.

And yeah, movies can be cool also sometimes, though short when used to anime series.

Furuno
2007-08-26, 20:31
Well, i'll ignore them, i've been asked that too many times and started getting tired of it, so i just say "I like this kind of stuff, so what?"...

What make me angry is something like this :
Daily Mirror's Kevin O'Sullivan claiming the film a failure, as "cartoons should be funny and this isn't - what's the point?" » his reviews for Tales from Earthsea...

I'd like to ask him if he even knows about anime...

ShadowVlican
2007-08-26, 21:19
Well, i'll ignore them, i've been asked that too many times and started getting tired of it, so i just say "I like this kind of stuff, so what?"...

What make me angry is something like this :
Daily Mirror's Kevin O'Sullivan claiming the film a failure, as "cartoons should be funny and this isn't - what's the point?" » his reviews for Tales from Earthsea...

I'd like to ask him if he even knows about anime...
really?!?

omg that makes me mad too!! :frustrated:

that was a great movie!!!

Chiibi
2007-08-26, 22:24
I always tell them how perverted and violent it can be. :D

Daily Mirror's Kevin O'Sullivan claiming the film a failure, as "cartoons should be funny and this isn't - what's the point?" » his reviews for Tales from Earthsea...

What a shallow, close-minded, ignorant ass. :mad:

KholdStare
2007-08-26, 22:40
Anime isn't just for kids. Take Pokémon. I'm not sure who here battles competitively, but the average 8 years old isn't going to understand the mechanics and strategies involved. Most anime has two different levels of understanding. Cardcaptor Sakura is an excellent example of this. From just watching casually, you explore the life of a 10 year old magical girl who tries to captures all the cards to fulfill her contract. From another view...well you'll have to watch it yourself to see if you can see it in another way. I certainly did, and that's why it's on my top 10.

4Tran
2007-08-26, 22:41
What make me angry is something like this :
Daily Mirror's Kevin O'Sullivan claiming the film a failure, as "cartoons should be funny and this isn't - what's the point?" » his reviews for Tales from Earthsea...

I'd like to ask him if he even knows about anime...
He doesn't seem to be familiar with Western works like Watership Down or the Velveteen Rabbit either. Then again, anything printed in the Daily Mirror is sort of automatically suspect. :)

Anime isn't just for kids. Take Pokémon. I'm not sure who here battles competitively, but the average 8 years old isn't going to understand the mechanics and strategies involved. Most anime has two different levels of understanding. Cardcaptor Sakura is an excellent example of this. From just watching casually, you explore the life of a 10 year old magical girl who tries to captures all the cards to fulfill her contract. From another view...well you'll have to watch it yourself to see if you can see it in another way. I certainly did, and that's why it's on my top 10.
The nice thing about anime is that they generally don't talk down to their intended audience, so it's quite possible for adults to enjoy children's shows for what they are. I much prefer this approach to the modern Western trend of putting adult humor in cartoons that children aren't supposed to understand.

Darkman.exe213
2007-08-26, 23:05
What make me angry is something like this :
Daily Mirror's Kevin O'Sullivan claiming the film a failure, as "cartoons should be funny and this isn't - what's the point?" » his reviews for Tales from Earthsea...

I'd like to ask him if he even knows about anime...
XD That's pure genius. Oh wait...he was serious?! :twitch: When was the last time he actually took a look at cartoons out there? There are some serious ones out there.(Spawn and Batman pop into mind)

Anyway, back on topic, I'd tell them to:

1) Watch Elfen Lied.

or...

2) Watch Adult Swim's anime.

They'll get the point. :)

Archideas
2007-08-27, 17:21
I completely agree with the general opinion of anime at some point that anime is for kids, like these lolita girls. Creeps me out to think that 20+ guys are watching things like that.

But then animes like Naruto, Bleach, Claymore, Full Metal Alchemist is a little more serious, containing violance and that is more acceptable in my opinion.

anselfir
2007-08-27, 18:26
I completely agree with the general opinion of anime at some point that anime is for kids, like these lolita girls. Creeps me out to think that 20+ guys are watching things like that.

But then animes like Naruto, Bleach, Claymore, Full Metal Alchemist is a little more serious, containing violance and that is more acceptable in my opinion.

rofl. the truth is completely opposite. shonen animu is generally targeted at kids whose attention is held by these power level, fantasy stuff, while shows like lucky star target older people.

Demongod86
2007-08-27, 22:45
To those that say anime is for kids...sit them down, tie down their hands and legs, tape their eyelids open, and show them hentai. Teh solved.

But between Pokemon and Bible Black (I have never seen the latter!), yes, 99.5% of anime is for kids/teens. Go to forums.dota-allstars.com and read up onthe anime rules. They apply for 99.5% of the anime. It' the other 0.5% of anime that are forever immortalized. Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Trigun, Ah My Goddess (the main character is actually a 2nd-3rd year college student!), and maybe even Fate/Stay Night...no, the best anime is not for kids. Just the 99.5% that's easily forgotten.

KholdStare
2007-08-27, 23:33
To those that say anime is for kids...sit them down, tie down their hands and legs, tape their eyelids open, and show them hentai. Teh solved.

But between Pokemon and Bible Black (I have never seen the latter!), yes, 99.5% of anime is for kids/teens. Go to forums.dota-allstars.com and read up onthe anime rules. They apply for 99.5% of the anime. It' the other 0.5% of anime that are forever immortalized. Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Trigun, Ah My Goddess (the main character is actually a 2nd-3rd year college student!), and maybe even Fate/Stay Night...no, the best anime is not for kids. Just the 99.5% that's easily forgotten.

That is a good point, but I don't think that it's 99.5%. Many anime has ecchi and gore, even the ones that are not popular. While browsing ANN's anime list, I encounter lots of "Adults Only!" ones too, so hentai is plenty to go around. Overall I'd say that at least 30% of anime are not targetted to children.

Aoie_Emesai
2007-08-27, 23:38
I've thought of showing people something like the first minute of Lain, but I usually decide that it would cause more trouble than it's worth. :heh: I've thought of showing the first bit of elfen lied too, but that's most certainly not the view of anime I'd want to present. :uhoh:

Then I point out that animation doesn't mean it's for children, and cite examples of American animation targeted at older audiences. That usually works, for a while anyway.

Animes like those even I had to force myself to watch. There just some anime you have to do that for to, just cause the story progress so slowly or the lack of interest you have in that anime.

Zenemis
2007-08-28, 00:29
Anime is for all age groups.

Mainly children though.

Skyfall
2007-08-28, 06:12
Anime is for all age groups.

Mainly children though.

How did you arrive to that conclusion? Yes, there are shows that are suitable for children, but even these contain subtle themes that older audiences can appreciate, while not detracting anything from the show.

Anime companies need money too you know. Who are the potentially paying customers? Certainly not little kids. Many of the shows would be considered too boring by kids (romance/slice of life), or too violent or with otherwise inappropriate content for children viewing. Take the current season - how many of the ongoing shows would you classify as kid shows ?

Reno
2007-08-28, 07:17
Hmm.... yeah my friend said that to me once. And, yes, I responded by telling him about Elfen Lied. The HE responded by saying why don't they just make it in to... well, not an anime. With real people. I didn't know what to say to that. >_>

Skyfall
2007-08-28, 07:22
That he has ran out of actual arguments to use ? ;)

Diaboso
2007-08-28, 08:41
I usually don't even bother giving a response became they usually realy don't want to hear it. but to the few actually curious ones I tell them about all the animes with a bit of punch to them blood and violence wise and they either become interested or just move on.

Archideas
2007-08-28, 11:31
rofl. the truth is completely opposite. shonen animu is generally targeted at kids whose attention is held by these power level, fantasy stuff, while shows like lucky star target older people.

I never spoke of anything being true or false. I just gave my personal opinion.

Zenemis
2007-08-28, 11:45
How did you arrive to that conclusion? Yes, there are shows that are suitable for children, but even these contain subtle themes that older audiences can appreciate, while not detracting anything from the show.

Anime companies need money too you know. Who are the potentially paying customers? Certainly not little kids. Many of the shows would be considered too boring by kids (romance/slice of life), or too violent or with otherwise inappropriate content for children viewing. Take the current season - how many of the ongoing shows would you classify as kid shows ?

Perhaps I worded that badly.

I should've said - "Most Anime are targeted towards children."

There's many which are most certainly targeted towards adults, but I believe that the majority of anime are targeted towards children.

Children add in the "nag" factor. They persuade their parents/guardians to purchase the merchandise for them.

I see many anime being targeted towards adolescents, currently, but the majority are still targeted towards children - I think.

Perhaps the target demographic has considerably shifted towards adult-orientated shows, making me quite wrong.

@ anselfir - I could also make scathing remarks towards Lucky Star, but that'd be ignorant, much like your comment towards shounen-anime. The quality of the shows remains most important, not the label.

arcadeplayer987
2007-08-28, 15:18
Anime is for anyone who love them

aohige
2007-08-28, 15:45
But then animes like Naruto, Bleach, Claymore, Full Metal Alchemist is a little more serious, containing violance and that is more acceptable in my opinion.

It's interesting to note, that every single title you mentioned there are running in magazines for young boys, not adults. :rolleyes:
They may seem mature to you, a teenager, but the fact is majority of the content of those titles you mentioned are obviously geared for kids.

How did you arrive to that conclusion? Yes, there are shows that are suitable for children, but even these contain subtle themes that older audiences can appreciate, while not detracting anything from the show.

Anime companies need money too you know. Who are the potentially paying customers? Certainly not little kids. Many of the shows would be considered too boring by kids (romance/slice of life), or too violent or with otherwise inappropriate content for children viewing. Take the current season - how many of the ongoing shows would you classify as kid shows ?

Well, the truth is, majority of anime market is infact children's market.
There are tons of "otaku aimed late night anime shows" for mature audience, but they don't make up the majority of the market.

Also, you totally underestimate the consuming power of children. You do realize, that there are much, much, MUCH more kids in Japan than there are otakus right? Franchise such as Doraemon, Crayon-Shinchan, PreCure, Gundam, DBZ.... brings in a heck of a lot more cash than otaku market does.
So WHAT if an otaku spends 10 times more money than a child, when there's 20 times more kids out there? :heh:
And just like how it is in your country, parents are a huge factor in children's consumer market. When I was a kid, I spent most of my allowances in Bikkuriman choco stickers and manga, while I let my parents buy me the more expensive stuff such as Famicon games and Zoids. :D

He's right that anime is for everyone, but main target is for kids. Even the Japanese feels that way.
It's just that anime otaku market has grown to support its own target audience separately.

4Tran
2007-08-28, 16:24
I should've said - "Most Anime are targeted towards children."

There's many which are most certainly targeted towards adults, but I believe that the majority of anime are targeted towards children.
<SNIP>

Perhaps the target demographic has considerably shifted towards adult-orientated shows, making me quite wrong.
Most anime used to be targetted towards children in the past, but the marketplace changed dramatically in the last few years. Currently, most anime airs in late-night hours, therefore confining themselves to an older audience. The amount of primetime and children's hour anime has stayed more or less steady, but it's now a minority compared since the explosive growth in the sheer amount of anime produced recently (I believe that there are currently around 60+ anime TV shows airing per week).

@ anselfir - I could also make scathing remarks towards Lucky Star, but that'd be ignorant, much like your comment towards shounen-anime. The quality of the shows remains most important, not the label.
anselfir is largely correct; shounen action anime (especially those that originated in Shounen Jump) are primarily targetted towards children (heck, that part's even in the name of the genre), while shows like Lucky Star are targetted towards a seinen audience. However, we're quite free to enjoy them, whether or not we fit the target demographic (this is actually quite common among shounen action shows).

He's right that anime is for everyone, but main target is for kids. Even the Japanese feels that way.
It's just that anime otaku market has grown to support its own target audience separately.
True. Although it should be pointed out that there are a lot more otaku shows out there than kids' shows.

Chiibi
2007-08-28, 17:47
Another thing to consider is, Japanese children (and sadly from what I've seen) children from other foreign countries, seem to be a lot more MATURE than American kids....and they are probably smarter too. I'm sorry if anyone's offended by that but I really think it's true.

I live in America, I've visited other countries and I know what I'm talking about. It all depends on how children are raised and the cultural differences. You can't deny that if an American child saw a naked character taking a bath, they'd scream, laugh, and make a huge deal over it, whereas a Japanese child of the same age, wouldn't bat an eye because they see this every day.

So........how to put this......most uncut anime is absolutely not for kids under twelve in America but Japan is a different story.

Oh, and I want to know if shows like Trinity Blood and Full Metal Panic are targetted at children because....for me, both of these were incredibly hard to follow so in that case, I'd feel awfully stupid....:heh:

He doesn't seem to be familiar with Western works like Watership Down or the Velveteen Rabbit either
Or The Secret of Nimh. Excellent movie...that balances light and dark, childishness and maturity. And most scenes were definitely NOT funny in any way. My parents told me I hated it when I was younger. More than likely because it scared me half-to-death at five years old....:uhoh:

Zenemis
2007-08-28, 21:16
anselfir is largely correct; shounen action anime (especially those that originated in Shounen Jump) are primarily targetted towards children (heck, that part's even in the name of the genre), while shows like Lucky Star are targetted towards a seinen audience. However, we're quite free to enjoy them, whether or not we fit the target demographic (this is actually quite common among shounen action shows)..

My point was actually against the insulting nature of his post. I enjoy the odd shounen series, because it's easier for the casual viewer, in my opinion, although I'm well above the age of its targeted age bracket.

I haven't seen Lucky Star, nor will I, because I have my own prejudices against it, but I will refrain from mentioning them. Modern shounen seems largely targeted towards the adolescent bracket now; I assume you're classifying them as children though (which is correct, but I label them differently).


Although it should be pointed out that there are a lot more otaku shows out there than kids' shows.

Do you have a link for this one?

Zennifa
2007-08-28, 21:35
Grr...I hate when someone says "Isn't anime for kids" or "oh watching stupid cartoons" cartoons aren't the same, they don't have cool story lines, or perverted stuff like anime does. Anime is for adults! (most of the time) :twitch:

anselfir
2007-08-28, 21:44
yes yes, but the popular shonen shows are really too drab, the same thing overa nd over again. GL is about the only good shonen now, but i can't really get into any of that.

anyway, remember, to say soething is 'for kids' is to speak from a peculiar culture, although the way things are, there is some of this in japan too, but adult entertainment and kid stuff is not as clearly cut there. the question does not really apply.

strung_out
2007-08-28, 21:47
Whenever someone would say that ("Isn't Anime for kids?") to me... I always tell them about the ending of the Berserk Anime...

although usually they never talk to me ever again after that hahaha

sos-dan
2007-08-28, 22:42
many doesnt realise anime is serious business, and can get as adult as anything can possibly get (nono not the ero kind of adult, as in deep, thoughtful kinda : P)
well i dun blame them cuz from where im coming, anime is usually sailormoon, pokemon etc.. those are relli for kids : P
and not to mention theres a certain *coughodexcough* company suing people for downloading anime. and they DID made certain titles NC16. like shakugan no shana ^^;

Rotton the Wizard
2007-08-28, 22:45
Sometimes its really awkward when the anime has ecchi scenes and someone asks me why I'm watching cartoons.

Whenever someone would say that ("Isn't Anime for kids?") to me... I always tell them about the ending of the Berserk Anime...

although usually they never talk to me ever again after that hahaha

I can relate to both of these posts at the same time because I've actually had one of my old roommate's female friends walk in on me watching the last episode of Berserk during the scene where Femto brutally rapes Caska. :twitch: Needless to say, it was hilariously awkward and I still laugh my ass off to this day thinking about the face she made and the really bad timing and misunderstanding of the whole situation. :D

4Tran
2007-08-28, 23:47
Another thing to consider is, Japanese children (and sadly from what I've seen) children from other foreign countries, seem to be a lot more MATURE than American kids....and they are probably smarter too. I'm sorry if anyone's offended by that but I really think it's true.
I'm not so sure that it's really a difference in maturity. It's probably more to do with the fact that Japanese children are more likely to be on their best behavior in the presence of strangers.

However, I think that there's a perceptible difference between Japanese and Western entertainment designed for children. There's a much greater sense that Western children have to be protected from seeing certain things that's missing in anime. Your signature is a good example here - it'd be very rare for a Western children's show to tackle the subject of death very directly (without resorting to euphemisms), much less do so in a show aimed primarily at prepubescent girls.

Another thing to consider is, Japanese children (and sadly from what I've seen) children from other foreign countries, seem to be a lot more MATURE than American kids....and they are probably smarter too. I'm sorry if anyone's offended by that but I really think it's true. :heh:
I think that that's more because of their awkward way the shows presented their stories more than anything else. Oddly enough, both works started out as light novels, so their likely audiences would be 12 and up.

My point was actually against the insulting nature of his post. I enjoy the odd shounen series, because it's easier for the casual viewer, in my opinion, although I'm well above the age of its targeted age bracket.
All anselfir said was that children are likely attracted to shounen action shows because they like power levels and fantasy stuff. While you may want to question the accuracy of that remark, what's so bad about it?

Modern shounen seems largely targeted towards the adolescent bracket now; I assume you're classifying them as children though (which is correct, but I label them differently).
They always have been. After all, that's what "shounen" means; why would you label them differently?

Do you have a link for this one?
You know what, I did a little research to back up my statement, and it's not strictly correct. Daytime/primetime and latenight anime are pretty evenly divided:
http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/index.html
http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/bscs.html

Over the course of a year or two, there are probably a lot more late night anime (since daytime ones tend to last a lot longer), but it's not the case at any one particular time.

anyway, remember, to say soething is 'for kids' is to speak from a peculiar culture, although the way things are, there is some of this in japan too, but adult entertainment and kid stuff is not as clearly cut there. the question does not really apply.
I think it's more that adults are much more likely to enjoy children's entertainment. By the way, this refers to manga much moreso than to anime. There's a reason why Shounen Jump is one of the most widely circulated magazines in the entire world.

aohige
2007-08-29, 01:11
Another thing to consider is, Japanese children (and sadly from what I've seen) children from other foreign countries, seem to be a lot more MATURE than American kids....and they are probably smarter too. I'm sorry if anyone's offended by that but I really think it's true.

While that may be true to some extent in say, public highschool or even Jr. High, young children are not really any diffrent in Japan than US.
I've lived in both countries for more than a decade, and I can tell you this. Kids are kids.


Oh, and I want to know if shows like Trinity Blood and Full Metal Panic are targetted at children because....for me, both of these were incredibly hard to follow so in that case, I'd feel awfully stupid....:heh:


FMP series are based on "Light Novels", aimed for young adults and teens.
Trinity Blood is based on novel series also, aimed for young adults.
So neither of them would be in the "made for children" category.

Zenemis
2007-08-29, 01:37
All anselfir said was that children are likely attracted to shounen action shows because they like power levels and fantasy stuff. While you may want to question the accuracy of that remark, what's so bad about it?

I simply disliked the post. Think no more of it.


They always have been. After all, that's what "shounen" means; why would you label them differently?


I believed shounen meant "boy". From my own country, teens are usually addressed as "young man/women". If the Japanese term teens as "boys", then you're more correct.


You know what, I did a little research to back up my statement, and it's not strictly correct. Daytime/primetime and latenight anime are pretty evenly divided:
http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/index.html
http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/bscs.html

Over the course of a year or two, there are probably a lot more late night anime (since daytime ones tend to last a lot longer), but it's not the case at any one particular time.


I think it's more that adults are much more likely to enjoy children's entertainment. By the way, this refers to manga much moreso than to anime. There's a reason why Shounen Jump is one of the most widely circulated magazines in the entire world.

Thanks for the link, unfortunately my poor level of Japanese understanding means that reading it would prove too much effort.

Thinking more about what I said, I should've said that saying "Anime is for kids" is like saying "Live action is for <Age-Group>" - While most people often tend to mentally substitute general anime for the childrens shows (I'm included here), anime is more accurately just a form of video media, equivalent to Live-Action, or claymation.

Demongod86
2007-08-29, 15:30
The reason I believe most anime is for children is this:

All of the shounen/shoujos that deal with some teenager saving the world.

If you simply anime-ized CSI, would it be for kids? No.

The art form itself is what you make it. However, most anime is based on that same shoujo/shounen crap.

That said, I'd prefer to see more blood/sex/gore/realistic violence in my anime than villains vaporizing. Heck, if you made Soul Calibur an anime, it would already be a mature anime if all the blood was depicted, and Taki removing the fragments from Sophitia after the battle /w Cervantes.

But when 15 year old runts take over giant robots and lolspam everyone to death, then all the critics have much fodder indeed.

Slice of Life
2007-08-29, 16:10
I'd prefer to see more blood/sex/gore/realistic violence in my anime than villains vaporizing.

And what do you think a teenager prefers to see when Mommy and Daddy are not around? More blood/sex/gore/realistic violence rather than villains vaporizing. Especially teenagers. Fast forward ten, fifteen, twenty years, and people would rather watch Bartender or Hataraki Man.

KholdStare
2007-08-29, 19:50
Yes I do agree that most anime is aimed towards teenagers but kid =/= teens. When I was in middle school people laughed that I was still watching "cartoons," so the notion that you should stop watching anime after elementary school is still wrong.

Zenemis
2007-08-30, 09:22
Yes I do agree that most anime is aimed towards teenagers but kid =/= teens. When I was in middle school people laughed that I was still watching "cartoons," so the notion that you should stop watching anime after elementary school is still wrong.

Kids are starting to watch more mature shows at a far earlier age now, even if they don't really understand what's going on - the social pressure to mature quickly is remarkably strong this decade :(

People shouldn't be judged on what they watch on relation to their age. However, I believe that (thanks 4Tran :P) there are slightly more children's anime than more mature anime.

However, the common perception, is that most anime are targeted towards children, and that's where the subject question comes from.

siya
2007-08-30, 12:17
I think everyone has that problem, I'm only 15 and I have that problem where people are like, "Well, that stuff is for 10 year olds, why do you watch and read that crap?" I simply respond with a "I watch it because it's good, Anime has drama, fantasy, action, adventure, blood and gore, horror, etc..It has all the stuff a movie and video game does, It's not just for kids...as a matter of fact alot of anime are not for kids ((According to American standerds...lol)." My dad is like that too, He's always like "You need to grow up and stop watching that stuff." But he watches Gundam and Neoin (I think that's spelled right)..And I ask him why he watches it and he's like, Because there not just anime...it's Sci-Fi....and I'm like WTF????....Yes...he's big on the Sci-Fi stuffs....not so much anime, Except those 2, but more of Stargate and stuffs (I like Stargate too though...lol)..So, yea..I honestly thing, though people ask that stuffs, There is atleast one anime someone likes...My dad is a prime example....and my mom, My mom is not big on anime at all, but she likes Cased Closed....lol

Chiibi
2007-08-30, 12:22
Again, I want to state that most anime was never meant for American children to see, thus the 13+ or 15+ or 17+ ratings on 90% of the anime dvds in retail stores. The companies are not stupid. They're going by the Puritan system on how to rate content. And the Puritan system is the reason why people under 17 can't get into an R-rated movie without a parent.

Irvine
2007-08-30, 17:33
I don't really have a grudge against people who call anime "for kids," because I understand why the majority of Americans (adults and teenagers) centralize their opinions regarding anime around what has been aired on television. Their opinions are reflected off of shows such as Pokemon, Digimon, and Naruto. How anyone would think that these shows aren't geared towards kids is beyond me. It still is their fault for being biased around their opinion of anime, but you can't expect everyone to know everything about every hobby, and that's when they take their opinion and burn it into their head as fact.

But then there are people like you and me, who have watched these shows as kids and became more interested as we aged, and decided to see what else is out there. And of course, after researching, we come to the conclusion that there's a vast majority of different genres available, suited for both kids and adults.

About a year and a half ago, I bought the movie Grave of the Fireflies. Anyone who hasn't seen the movie, read the synopsis (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/grave-of-the-fireflies-special-edition) in ANN's review. Anyhow, as someone who collects and watches anime as a hobby, I really wanted this in my collection. My Mother, who had only seen a couple episodes of Pokemon and Digimon, had always had an opinion of anime being "childish, and a waste of time." One day, while I was at work, she decided to figure out why I liked anime so much, and decided to blindly pull it off the shelf, and watch it. When I got home, and told me she watched it, and she said it was one of the most depressing movies she's ever seen. I could tell she was in a down mood, as the film probably did that to her (it did that to me too, I was kind of 'down' after I watched it the first time). She hasn't really questioned any other anime I've bought, and even watched Now and Then, Here and There with me. That was a cryfest for her, too.

If you can get someone to sit down and show them series/movies as mentioned above, usually their opinion will change. I know my Mother's did. But it won't change the fact that many are hard-headed about anime, and won't see what the hobby has to offer.

Mueti
2007-08-30, 17:51
Some of the anime I enjoy(ed) the most are obviously aimed at a younger audience. But so what, I pretty much don't care what people think about the fact that I'm watching such shows. If (for example) Cardcaptor Sakura is too childish for some of my friends, it's their problem, they're missing out on a great series.

Chiibi
2007-08-30, 22:42
Here's a great joke to laugh at. I once came across a review that said someone had bought a certain anime for a seven-year-old because it really looked like Pokemon. The anime was sent back to the reviewer by the child's parents with a note saying "If you ever give my son sh*t like that again...."
Guess what the anime was?
Shadow Star Narutaru. :heh:

Spectacular_Insanity
2007-08-31, 02:09
I swear, I think I might have next person who says, "anime is for kids" drawn and quartered. That's like saying video games are only for kids. I don't really have to EXPLAIN this do I? I'm sure you all already know what I mean.

anselfir
2007-08-31, 13:58
but usually 'for kids' is said as an observation in sociology or something, not a personal judgment.

Vexx
2007-08-31, 20:48
Anymore, its more of a revelation about the speaker's lack of awareness than a successful insult to the medium. As a poster above said, its like saying "movies are for kids". Anime is just another form of storytelling that can be simple or quite complex. Heck, most of the audiences present for movies I've seen like Ice Age, Ratatouille, The Incredibles, and so on..... were adult.

Anymore, as a parent - if I run into a parent who thinks "anime is for kids", I find they're pretty clueless about a great number of other things as well. There, that's *MY* sweeping generalization after trying to explain to another parent at a meeting why using credit cards on a secure website is less dangerous than handing your card to a restaurant employee.

Veritas
2007-08-31, 21:24
Anime is just a medium. It's like saying "You still read? Books are for kids." Granted, when I present this argument, it's usually to someone who says he hates anime altogether, and so this does little to sway them.

Inferied
2007-09-01, 02:57
Anime isn't just for kids. Take Pokémon. I'm not sure who here battles competitively, but the average 8 years old isn't going to understand the mechanics and strategies involved. Most anime has two different levels of understanding. Cardcaptor Sakura is an excellent example of this. From just watching casually, you explore the life of a 10 year old magical girl who tries to captures all the cards to fulfill her contract. From another view...well you'll have to watch it yourself to see if you can see it in another way. I certainly did, and that's why it's on my top 10.

That's true. Take Naruto, for example, it's not the most adult show ever, you can show it to your little cousin without being embarrased, right? There's a little boy and message "protect your loved ones", so they fight and protect, it's simple.
But then, I can look at it another way and find some of the most sick and twisted relationships in anime world:http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4513/15921785tv9.gif

I have also heard that many Ghibli movies are like this... Meant for all audiences, but still mature.

anselfir
2007-09-01, 03:08
meh, naruto is the definition of for kids shows. kids are not alien to 'mature' themes, 'save the world' 'pime taradox' etc are commonly found in shows targeted for kids.

Basically, for kids animu can be distinguished by it not having moments of reflection and doubt, there is one idea that runs through the show and you are expected to follow it. be it rawww courage, rawwww protect teh world, etc, it is a simplistic formulation designed to make the audience follow the show and buy into its story.

PigChan
2007-09-01, 07:28
usually.. i bash those ppl tt ask me those question. nahs, juz jk :D

i will juz ignore them as those ppl are too retarded to talk to.. :eyebrow:

Zenemis
2007-09-01, 07:49
usually.. i bash those ppl tt ask me those question. nahs, juz jk :D

i will juz ignore them as those ppl are too retarded to talk to.. :eyebrow:

They really aren't.

I assume you only talk to people who like anime then?

RagDollx
2007-09-19, 05:22
Ive been asked why I watch anime quite a few times and I must say it is annoying and my usual reply is ¨why do you watch soaps?¨ or ¨why do you watch horrors?¨ and if their is cause they find them entertaining or such i just reply ¨well theres your answer dont ask again.¨
In the end we're all going to watch what appeals to what we like for example; theres no point in me watch The O.C if I dont like that kind of thing is there?
But it is a pain in Britain because the only anime we actually get on tv(believe it or not) is children stuff for example; Naruto and Pokemon. We only get these on Cable channels aswell. So where Im from it is classafied as children shows because thats all we actually get.
Dont get me wrong we have an anime section in our media stores like Virgin and HMV but most of the animes there are the overly popular ones. (well from the part of Scotland Im from anyway)

Reno
2007-09-19, 07:44
Dont get me wrong we have an anime section in our media stores like Virgin and HMV but most of the animes there are the overly popular ones. (well from the part of Scotland Im from anyway)

Haha I would've said you were wrong a few weeks ago.... but then in a DVD shop I saw a whole section for anime DVDs including Elfen Lied and Grave of Fireflies. O_o With my anime-hating friend. :heh: It seemed very surreal.

Autumn Demon
2007-09-19, 17:44
Isnt Anime for kids? How do you respond?
I don't know if anime is for kids but if it is I don't care and I'd watch it anyway and hope I could remain a kid forever. :)

Tsuna
2007-09-19, 22:15
I've been watching anime since i was very young and just like many things as you get older your taste changes to more adult themed shows. So while i agree that there are anime series geared towards kids there are also more adult themed shows.

Reno
2007-09-20, 08:43
Agreed. Excactly the same with English cartoons I think.

SeijiSensei
2007-09-20, 09:00
Agreed. Exactly the same with English cartoons I think.

The only three examples I can think of are The Simpsons, South Park, and Family Guy, and all of these are situation comedies. I can't recall seeing any cartoons, in the US at least, with the level of sophistication and drama that you find in the best anime shows. Even the big-budget theatrical cartoons are all targeted at children, and few of these have much in the way of drama. Among animated movies released in the past decade or so, the only one I'd classify as having any drama that might appeal to adults is The Lion King. That's not to say I didn't enjoy shows like Toy Story or Aladdin, but they pale in comparison to Mononoke Hime or Millennium Actress from an adult's perspective.

Despite the growing popularity of anime in the US, I don't see any evidence that the "cartoons are for kids" attitude has changed much in Hollywood.

Some Canadian and European animators do produce cartoons for adults. The one that comes to mind immediately for me is Allegro non Troppo (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074121/), a sophisticated parody of Disney's Fantasia. The sequence that depicts evolution drew applause from the audience when I saw it in a theater.

Kyomi
2007-09-20, 11:08
Isnt Anime for kids? How do you respond?

Bible Black (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=3430)

*nuf said*

siya
2007-09-20, 11:32
Bible Black (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=3430)

*nuf said*

lol, Well, I guess that would be enough to tell someone it's not just for kids :D Never seen Bible Black, but I know what it's about, I've done my research XD



The only three examples I can think of are The Simpsons, South Park, and Family Guy, and all of these are situation comedies. I can't recall seeing any cartoons, in the US at least, with the level of sophistication and drama that you find in the best anime shows. Even the big-budget theatrical cartoons are all targeted at children, and few of these have much in the way of drama. Among animated movies released in the past decade or so, the only one I'd classify as having any drama that might appeal to adults is The Lion King. That's not to say I didn't enjoy shows like Toy Story or Aladdin, but they pale in comparison to Mononoke Hime or Millennium Actress from an adult's perspective.

Despite the growing popularity of anime in the US, I don't see any evidence that the "cartoons are for kids" attitude has changed much in Hollywood.

Some Canadian and European animators do produce cartoons for adults. The one that comes to mind immediately for me is Allegro non Troppo (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074121/), a sophisticated parody of Disney's Fantasia. The sequence that depicts evolution drew applause from the audience when I saw it in a theater.

And you are correct...Alot of Cartoons in America arn't for kids...so usualy...when someone brings something up saying they are...I ask them if they like South Park or somthing, and if they say Yes...well they normaly realize why I asked and walk away XD Really, Anime teaches us good things, And normally you learn about Japanese culture or something..I know I have learned alot..and not Just about Japan, from Watching Anime....Most American cartoons, are retarded, Ones meant for adults are just completly stupid and retarded, and usualy racis....Then the one's for kids teach you nothing except how to fail in life and be an idiot...Like, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy...WTF?? Or Blues Clues...I was babbysitting my neice one day and she wouldn't shut up (and me being in an instance on WoW XD) I turned on the TV...Granted, it kept her shut up for like 5 hours till my dad got home...but the things on there are like WTF???...This is what the dude said on there...."What....A foo...A doo...OO..Clue!...*Turns around* Look...we found a clue!...There is a ball and a box...Ok...I need your help...If the box is directly in front of me...and I have to bounce this ball into the box...which way do I need to bounce it to make it go into the box?"...That's not a joke either...That's exactly what it said...SO I feel if we are going to let are kids (I'm only 15 and have no kids, but I'm definatly going to do this) watch cartoons, Don't let them watch the crap on Cartoonnet work...and Nickalodiean and stuffs...make them watch anime...Pokemone, DBZ..Sailor Moon...all them

Royal_Devil
2007-09-20, 17:35
Why should I care what people think of what I watch? I'm not that insecure with myself that I feel a need to validate it to them. If they come to enjoy it with me that's fine. If not because they think it's for kids, Oh well.

Though to be honest my usual response is, "Depends on the show." If they ask further I reply "There's a fair share of deep and sophisticated stuff, though there's also plenty of childish crap. Just like everything else in entertainment." I leave it at that and get on with my life unless they ask for examples.

Don't let them watch the crap on Cartoonnet work...and Nickalodiean and stuffs...make them watch anime...Pokemone, DBZ..Sailor Moon...all them

What useful stuff are they going to learn from those shows? Yelling like your constipated makes things go boom and fighting solves everything? Making animals fight each other is fun? ... I honestly can't think of anything Sailormoon taught except from those "Sailormoon Says" things at the end and those are things your average preschool show like Sesame Street and Blues Clues (at least the old one) will teach them anyway.

And Avatar's way better than those three you listed.

HurricaneHige
2007-09-20, 19:36
I don't really have a grudge against people who call anime "for kids," because I understand why the majority of Americans (adults and teenagers) centralize their opinions regarding anime around what has been aired on television. Their opinions are reflected off of shows such as Pokemon, Digimon, and Naruto. How anyone would think that these shows aren't geared towards kids is beyond me. It still is their fault for being biased around their opinion of anime, but you can't expect everyone to know everything about every hobby, and that's when they take their opinion and burn it into their head as fact.

But then there are people like you and me, who have watched these shows as kids and became more interested as we aged, and decided to see what else is out there. And of course, after researching, we come to the conclusion that there's a vast majority of different genres available, suited for both kids and adults.

About a year and a half ago, I bought the movie Grave of the Fireflies. Anyone who hasn't seen the movie, read the synopsis (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/grave-of-the-fireflies-special-edition) in ANN's review. Anyhow, as someone who collects and watches anime as a hobby, I really wanted this in my collection. My Mother, who had only seen a couple episodes of Pokemon and Digimon, had always had an opinion of anime being "childish, and a waste of time." One day, while I was at work, she decided to figure out why I liked anime so much, and decided to blindly pull it off the shelf, and watch it. When I got home, and told me she watched it, and she said it was one of the most depressing movies she's ever seen. I could tell she was in a down mood, as the film probably did that to her (it did that to me too, I was kind of 'down' after I watched it the first time). She hasn't really questioned any other anime I've bought, and even watched Now and Then, Here and There with me. That was a cryfest for her, too.

If you can get someone to sit down and show them series/movies as mentioned above, usually their opinion will change. I know my Mother's did. But it won't change the fact that many are hard-headed about anime, and won't see what the hobby has to offer.

Good for you, able to influence another person in changing their opinion about anime (even if its just your mom). My friends are too mainstream and "kool" to watch anime or play JRPGs, i dont blame them, i immigrated to Canada more than 10 years ago, and i've watched anime (chinese dubbed) ever since i was a kid, my uncle was a huge Otaku and he really got me sucked into it lol. Even after immigrating here i still watch plenty of anime and its been part of my life for as long as i remember.
However, i lived in a very, excuse my language, "white" neighborhood and all my friends are either white or very much assimilated. I grew up with these peeps, and i understand their point of view, and to be honest, they r are too mainstream to be able to accept anime as another mean to good storytelling, i've given up all hope in convincing anyone to watch anime, and my friends have accepted the fact that i watch anime and there is no way they can change me and my ways. This is the kind of mutual understanding that u can get from mainstream folks, but u'll never get to sucker them into watching anime....i pity them

Zenemis
2007-09-20, 23:25
Why pity them?

If they accept that you watch and enjoy anime, and you accept that they don't, all is well and good - mutual acceptance :)

CloroAsakura
2007-09-20, 23:25
in my country exist a problem there are people who likes anime but they just watch the pseudo popular animes like like DBZ, naruto, and bleach (they are not bad shows but well overrating is bad) there a few like me who search and watch anime of any kind mainly i get comedies or harems because they helps me to relax. in vacation i search for more action its a cycle.

isnt anime for kids?, is like ask someone why they watch the Simpson's hehe.

but for those who says what anime IS for kids we need to show them, tenjou tenge, love hina, sola, shuffle! and many other series like those or well death note.

trying to introduce ppl to the anime world is annoying very annoying.

Jazzrat
2007-09-21, 13:06
Is this suppose to be a trick question? :p

I don't bother to defend my hobbies and interests. When people ask, i just give a shrug and a smile. If they really insist on asking for a reason, i just show em some of the titles i watch.

DazarGaidin
2007-09-21, 18:03
I explain the gist of Monster or show some claymore/black lagoon.

siya
2007-09-22, 18:57
What useful stuff are they going to learn from those shows? Yelling like your constipated makes things go boom and fighting solves everything? Making animals fight each other is fun? ... I honestly can't think of anything Sailormoon taught except from those "Sailormoon Says" things at the end and those are things your average preschool show like Sesame Street and Blues Clues (at least the old one) will teach them anyway.

And Avatar's way better than those three you listed.

lol, Well, Anime teaches you stuffs like Determination, and stuffs like that (some anyways XD) or it did for me...and I agree, Avatar is btter then the ones I listed

Royal_Devil
2007-09-22, 19:49
lol, Well, Anime teaches you stuffs like Determination, and stuffs like that (some anyways XD) or it did for me...and I agree, Avatar is btter then the ones I listed

There's plenty of American kids show that tells kids to believe in themselves and work hard no matter what. You're point?

What makes Avatar so special that you don't label it "retarded" like all the other ones.

DazarGaidin
2007-09-23, 08:11
I wonder if the dude bashing blue's clues knows the age group its targeted at....i mean, my niece loved that show since she could walk and learned how to draw pretty good watching it. She also has fun solving the clues. Heck i even enjoyed it before they changed the main dude...reminded me of peewees playhouse when i was a kid, sans the creepyness.

Anyway on topic, sometimes it helps to explain that in japan anime is pretty much like regular television here...there are kids shows and adult shows.

Isako
2007-09-23, 18:23
I live in America, I've visited other countries and I know what I'm talking about. It all depends on how children are raised and the cultural differences. You can't deny that if an American child saw a naked character taking a bath, they'd scream, laugh, and make a huge deal over it, whereas a Japanese child of the same age, wouldn't bat an eye because they see this every day.



I'm an American too, and I've noticed the same.

American cartoons in general are very immature and are mainly just short comedies or action shows that conclude within thirty mins with a relatively weak plot. Because that is what most American children are exposed too, they assume anime is probably the same when they see it later in life for the first time.

When I get that question, I tell ppl it is geared to an older audience in general except for a few shows like pokemon and yu-gi-oh. (Not even Naruto and Bleach are true kid shows lol.). So when describing anime to a non-anime person, i tell them, think of a typical tv series but animated and more creative in terms of plots and genre.

Ancient Death
2007-09-23, 18:43
My parents don't really like anime (mostly) cuz of sexy girls with oversized breasts or too bloodly or sweat a lot...and my mother keep mix with manga and anime which I have told her over and over that they're different! ...*sighs*

Hotaru Suzume
2007-09-23, 18:48
I've been seen watching Nurse Witch Komugi at school, and me being my age it supposedly won't go down well. But, no one's really bothered, the most they do is keep asking stuff like "WTF is going on?".

HurricaneHige
2007-09-23, 18:50
Why pity them?

If they accept that you watch and enjoy anime, and you accept that they don't, all is well and good - mutual acceptance :)

i pity them becuz they r missing out on some quality stories and shows, same reason u pity someone who are allegic to beef...missing some fine cuisine :)

patnam
2007-09-24, 10:56
if depend the anime have contain violence like HELLSING......

aka Providence
2007-09-24, 11:03
Isn't anime for kids? I respond with...

+And...?
+What's your point?
+You think so?
+(stare)
+You're (bleep) ignorant. (only if the person who says that to me is being a complete arse-hole)

SeijiSensei
2007-09-24, 14:19
if depend the anime have contain violence like HELLSING......

No, it doesn't. In my mind the shows with lots of violence or lots of ecchi are not intended for adults so much as teens or, perhaps, young adults. The best adult series have mature, complex stories and often include hardly any violence or sex at all. Watch an episode or two of Bartender or Hataraki Man, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Some mature shows, like Monster, may contain violence, but it's usually not very prevalent and not the central point of the story line. It's the odd show like Claymore that contains a lot of "action," yet has a sufficiently complex plot and strong characters to attract a more mature audience.

Vexx
2007-09-25, 03:57
Q: Isn't anime for kids?

A: If it is, then there's an entire nation of japanese adults who need to be told. Why don't you hop on a plane and go explain it to them. :)

Yeah, its a bit of hyperbole .... but then American Classic Cartoons were designed for adults as well (Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc) -- they were originally shown in movie houses as a short before the main feature. I can't help it that people are too stupid to remember their own history. :)

Bobbias
2007-09-25, 04:44
A damn good point, lol. I've never gotten this question really, but I've gotten a lot of flack from my brother, and I try not to advertise too much at school (when I was in school anyway). I think it'll be better in college (whenever that happens), but I think I'd respond by explaining that yes, some anime is, and a lot of the stuff they translate is edited so that it's aimed at a younger audience, because the people translating it know that everyone thinks anime is for kids, and that's how they're gonna get the time slots anyway.

That's why I'm so against dubs, aside form the fact that the voiced wreck the characters to me very often (Ever hear Ai Yori Aoshi in english? She sounds like a prostitute.)

I'd try to explain that a lot of anime is actually designed for older audiences, and I'd show them the Komm Susser Tod scene from End of Evangelion, and maybe some Elfen Leid as proof.

FutashoDavid
2007-09-25, 05:56
meh, naruto is the definition of for kids shows. kids are not alien to 'mature' themes, 'save the world' 'pime taradox' etc are commonly found in shows targeted for kids.

Basically, for kids animu can be distinguished by it not having moments of reflection and doubt, there is one idea that runs through the show and you are expected to follow it. be it rawww courage, rawwww protect teh world, etc, it is a simplistic formulation designed to make the audience follow the show and buy into its story.

That's a good point. Coming from that you can tell people what anime is about.

First you need to do is to make clear that "anime" coveres a wide range of genres. Just like Kyomi pointed out with Bible Black, there is also "cartoon porn" (sorry for using that expression^^;) and this is definetely not for children.

Personally, I often don't bother explaining and justifying it to strangers who you only meet once, since I don't care what they think of my likings. Making new acquaintances, who stick arround for longer though, forces you to elaborate more on the topic. Then I take some time to explain them, that there is anime for kids and for adults.


But then again, there are people who just don't want to understand :rolleyes:

Koriina
2007-09-25, 12:22
Generally when people ask me a question like that, they're in middle/high school and are, I've noticed, rather stupid in many respects. I normally just point out that they like Finding Nemo and Monsters, Inc., and no one even dies in those . . . if they keep listening, I'll generally go into descriptive detail on gory scenes (generally from Elfen Lied or Yu-Gi-Oh, depending on who I'm talking to and what I know about them) until they decide I'm the true BTK and I'm going to hell. =) Always fun, that last bit.

hideFan
2007-09-25, 16:09
Knights of Ramune & 40 Fresh and This Ugly yet Beautiful World. >.>

Vexx
2007-09-25, 17:30
...the fact that the voiced wreck the characters to me very often (Ever hear Ai Yori Aoshi in english? She sounds like a prostitute.)


Oooh, don't get me started on THAT dub .... after TRYING to listen to it for two episodes of me constantly muttering "WTFH?" It was one of the most pathetic readings I'd ever heard and really put me off anime dubs for a long time (still very skeptical of them though they've gotten much better in some cases).

CloroAsakura
2007-09-25, 18:12
spanish dubs sucks... they dont even look for more cast i hear the same voices of inuyasha, yu-gi-oh and other animes, most of the dubs suck...

but i was asked today this question and i answered easily they have a good plot, exelent characters and they are fun people must watch anime (good anime) before asking that...

Kyuusai
2007-09-27, 13:33
Wow, I'm late to the game here! :)

Repeat after me: "Animation isn't a genre, it's a medium."

It's getting better. As has been pointed out, American cartoons aimed at adults are helping to turn the tide, and are useful to cite when asked such a question. Making it harder, though, are atrocious English dubs and the greater Japanese acceptance of things that are cute or silly without automatically classifying them as child-aimed. Just choose your examples well.

I generally don't find pointing out examples of gory or sexual shows to be productive in explaining to others, unless they're young adults who enjoy that sort of thing. You run the risk of them taking their shock from that discovery and combining it with their former opinion (as opposed to creating a new, sane opinion) and somehow assume that Japanese animation is out to corrupt children.

Vexx
2007-09-27, 14:44
right... "gory and sexual" do not equal "adult"... sorry, if one thinks so they fail the test.

For example, Hataraki Man comes closer to being "adult" because it examines actual adult issues (overworking, office politics, relationship issues). Death Note (which I actually didn't like) had violence.. but examined some fairly deep philosophical issues which is actually what made it "adult".

siya
2007-09-28, 11:14
There's plenty of American kids show that tells kids to believe in themselves and work hard no matter what. You're point?

What makes Avatar so special that you don't label it "retarded" like all the other ones.

Honestly...I don't know...I guess it's more so anime to me...I mean...I know it's now...It just has the anime feeling....Now you got me in a thinking situation.....So I will get back to you on this XD

Dop
2007-10-01, 10:18
This summer just gone I was at a small SF convention where I did a small presentation on anime. One section I started off by saying "The word 'adult' can have unfortunate connotations, so here's something I like to call 'anime for grownups'".

I showed a clip from Hataraki Man and The Bartender to demonstrate my point.

But a lot of people, if you start talking about anime for adults, are going to think of nudity and those naughty naughty tentacles.

Chiibi
2007-10-01, 10:29
My parents don't really like anime (mostly) cuz of sexy girls with oversized breasts

*giggles* My dad actually LIKES that part....because he's a perv! A lot of times when he walks in on me watching something, he goes "Holy crap, who is SHE?" It's really very funny!:heh:

CloroAsakura
2007-10-02, 15:54
oh its nice have a dad like that my mom dont even understand the why i watch this "cartoons" and why i like them, thanks to my brother she doesn't bother me much with it but when she is mad she always yell about it...

Moonlith
2007-10-02, 17:41
Usually I respond with "Watch Ghost in the Shell or Ai No Kusabi, then we talk".

Generally, people who think Anime is just for kids clearly don't understand the entire concept of Anime, and I can't really be bothered caring about what such people think of it.

I love waffles!
2007-10-02, 21:48
The anime that is aimed at kids is for kids and the anime that is aimed for older audiences isn't for kids.

KholdStare
2007-10-03, 04:48
Although I will compromise that probably more anime is aimed towards kids, that's no reason reason tosay it's only for kids. One or two episodes doesn't make it not aimed towards kids either. My thoughts are this: Anime is something that according to people outside of Japan as something not for kids but more subtle and "fun" (in lack of a better word) than local shows. It's something you can relax watching and thinking about, not cheering for a team or watching an exciting game show, nor a suspense police movie or a satire/parody sitcom about local culture.

Mad Dog
2007-10-03, 09:25
I tell them to go watch Elfen Lied. That useually proves my point.

EXEs
2007-10-04, 07:36
Well, the Western side of the world's definition of anime is probably like Pokemon, Digimon, etc. Basically, anime aimed at kids. You cannot blame people who say anime is for kids if they have never seen anything beyond Pokemon. I asked friends in Canada what they think of anime, and most respond "Anime? Isn't that cartoons?" See? They don't know what is truly anime, because they have only been exposed to the limited animes which is broadcasted there.

Vexx
2007-10-04, 11:03
Of course, they could also get off their ass and do about two minutes of research.... though that seems to apply to most topics of *any kind* anymore. Hairless apes with the most complex brains on the planet wasting 99% of their learning capacity by being bumps on the road. :)

"incurious" was a word almost never heard until about 10 years ago... now it seems to dominate the mental landscape.

EternalDragonWarrior
2007-10-06, 11:59
You can try and explain it logically in terms of "different interests" and all that, but in the end, all you have to do is tell them to watch Ghost in the Shell or 5 cm Per Second or something. That said, I'm still fairly young and my parents understand anime so I haven't had any real problems yet.

kj1980
2007-10-07, 19:18
Hmm.... yeah my friend said that to me once. And, yes, I responded by telling him about Elfen Lied. The HE responded by saying why don't they just make it in to... well, not an anime. With real people. I didn't know what to say to that. >_>

Because it is simpler, faster, and much cheaper to animate people getting their heads blown off. Also, it avoids the costly and lenghty dealings with snobbish actors who demand [insert outrageous amount of money].


Want a better example?

Hollywood idea of making Terminator 2
Okay, we need to hire Arnold for X million dollars, we need to rent some cars, oh explosives! we need permits for that! And we gotta blow up a building. We need approval from so-and-so. Hey, let's use CG for T-1000, that would be cool. Stunt-men, get me stunt-men...oh shit forgot about the insurance. Ah, the Teamsters! Damn union laborers! Did we get the approval to blow up the building? They refused? Just shove them some more money, that'll make their heads nod in the right direction! What, actor B is in a bad mood? Shit, that's gonna lengthen our shoot for another day! Okay, we need guns - go hire a prop expert on how to use them.

If a Japanese company wanted to make Terminator 2
uh...we'll just draw everything.

raikage
2007-10-08, 01:24
There will be no disparaging of T2! :mad:

Sometimes, things just are that much more visually appealing, because they are flesh-and-blood actors with computer graphics edited in.

Lord of the Rings could have been made as a cartoon, but dammit -- it looks so breathtakingly awesome with actors and real skylines and people with Orc makeup and the whole bit.

But back on topic -- I've never ran into anyone with the "isn't anime for kids" mentality -- or at least no one who would ask me to my face -- but anime is a medium.

It is a way in which to transmit ideas, feelings, concepts from one mind to another.

Shamelessly stolen from Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics (http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Comics-Invisible-Scott-Mccloud/dp/006097625X/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-9445932-0444614?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191824614&sr=8-2) (which everyone should buy, BTW):

http://i24.tinypic.com/vqmqdc.jpg

Ryougi Shiki
2007-10-08, 23:49
You know, I really DO think Dune would be an awesome anime. The movie adaptation failed hard, so I am ecstatic at imagining a big budget being put into things like the no-ships, the ornithopters, the Paul knife-fight, the 2,778 meter long sandworm that he rides, and the God Emperor Leto.

Goofus Maximus
2007-10-09, 10:32
There are anime for all target audiences. Bartender, for instance, is pretty much targeted at older audiences, while Aria the Animation is targeted at everybody with a pulse and at least one working eyeball and ear.

Myself, I'll watch anime that is intended for kids, even if I am "somewhat older", in addition to watching more adult-oriented (as in mature, not hentai) anime like Bartender or Monster. From bloodbaths to slice-of-life, I like 'em all, even though the dreaded half-century mark is looming ever nearer to me...

Pell14
2007-10-09, 10:47
I have yet to see a person telling me anime are for kids, maybe except my mum generation (oh come on, anyone below their age are considered kids to them)

If i ever meet a person within our age gap telling me that, i will probably laugh and walk off

siya
2007-10-17, 15:18
I have yet to see a person telling me anime are for kids, maybe except my mum generation (oh come on, anyone below their age are considered kids to them)

If i ever meet a person within our age gap telling me that, i will probably laugh and walk off

Is your mom and them really old? :D...Yea, I know what that is like....But I have lots of people tell me that I'm too old for it, my mom acually thinks it a "phase" I'm going through....I was like WTF??? It's very annoy really....Then my brother says that I'm too old then he goes off and watches the dub of Bleach...And he's a year older then me...My family is very messed up.....

orange.a
2007-10-17, 15:38
I have the same thing, Elfen Lied for example my first Anime serie i watched next to the regular shounen like DBZ, naruto and bleach. I began to watch it and like you said theres nudity and a hol lot of blood right away, when a couple of friends watched a scene with me, there were like... wtf are you watching... and yes hentai and weirdo were blooming like violets. but if they bother to watch elfen lied.... it really does pisses me of..
Its strange that people cant make the jump from DBZ/naruto/bleach to all the other (better) series.
I'll quote one of the first posts in this thread because I just got in.


As far as my personal experience and knowledge goes, blood and nudity are hardly "adult themes". Society adopted a shallow way for classificating genres, as I don't see why would those kind of animes be just for adults. Wow, a naked body... oh wow, blood... these days if you ask a kid about that he'll probably say "so what?".


As for the thread's title itself, if someone REALLY asks me that question, I'd say "Go watch some seinen and stop watching dragon ball". Usually people who asks that kind of question are people totally oblivious to the anime as a whole and thinks that if it's something drawed, it can't be nothing deep. That's when they make TEH bad step.

It's impossible for me to make an exact estimation but there are probably more seinens out there than shounens (even if seinen is not a genre itself and it applies to the type of viewers, it's usually treated as a genre), the question "Isn't Anime for kids?" seems to be a little ironic.

All in all, Anime is full of series with very complex and deep themes, stories and characters that kids aren't able to comprehend or even grasp the true meaning behind them. Even some comedies nowadays are not suited for kids because of the complex meaning of the jokes of because the jokes themselves aren't straightforward enough for a kid to understand them.

People are really blinded by the blockbuster animes like Pokemon, DB, Saint Seiya, Naruto and Bleach (and other older animes like Kimba the While Lion e.g.), thinking that because the 10% percent of the animes are for kids, every other anime must be so. In my opinion, there's also the issue of american comics, and summed up with the animes I previously stated, people tend to think that anything drawn must be childish, therefore making deprecatory comments towards anime.

siya
2007-10-19, 11:25
I'll quote one of the first posts in this thread because I just got in.


As far as my personal experience and knowledge goes, blood and nudity are hardly "adult themes". Society adopted a shallow way for classificating genres, as I don't see why would those kind of animes be just for adults. Wow, a naked body... oh wow, blood... these days if you ask a kid about that he'll probably say "so what?".


As for the thread's title itself, if someone REALLY asks me that question, I'd say "Go watch some seinen and stop watching dragon ball". Usually people who asks that kind of question are people totally oblivious to the anime as a whole and thinks that if it's something drawed, it can't be nothing deep. That's when they make TEH bad step.

It's impossible for me to make an exact estimation but there are probably more seinens out there than shounens (even if seinen is not a genre itself and it applies to the type of viewers, it's usually treated as a genre), the question "Isn't Anime for kids?" seems to be a little ironic.

All in all, Anime is full of series with very complex and deep themes, stories and characters that kids aren't able to comprehend or even grasp the true meaning behind them. Even some comedies nowadays are not suited for kids because of the complex meaning of the jokes of because the jokes themselves aren't straightforward enough for a kid to understand them.

People are really blinded by the blockbuster animes like Pokemon, DB, Saint Seiya, Naruto and Bleach (and other older animes like Kimba the While Lion e.g.), thinking that because the 10% percent of the animes are for kids, every other anime must be so. In my opinion, there's also the issue of american comics, and summed up with the animes I previously stated, people tend to think that anything drawn must be childish, therefore making deprecatory comments towards anime.

You make a good point...I hadn't really thought about it. Your right though...most people tell me that anime is for kids, that have only seen stuffs like Pokemon and Digimon and them....Hehe, Just another day for American Stereotype XD

Goofus Maximus
2007-10-19, 17:02
Pokemon for kids, and hentai/ecchi for teenaged boys. One person asked to sum up anime in one sentence said "It's girls in mini-skirts doing karate kicks" :D

They don't know what they're missing.

Malintex_Terek
2007-10-19, 21:51
"age appropriateness" is the most retarded concept ever engineered by marketers and censors, and it is damaging influence to writers universally. First of all, "demographics" like shounen/seinen just describe the market a title is being marketed toward, it says nothing about the concept or nature of the stories. How can "Kinnikuman" be shounen while "Kinnikuman Nisei", basically the same kind of story in a different magazine, be "seinen"? There's fundamentally no change in content. Same applies to "Souten no Ken" versus "Hokuto no Ken" and "Steel Ball Run" versus the rest of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

The idea of anime being for children is inane, an absurd cultural quip. Anime is simply a form of entertainment, just like "live-action", by no means should a whole form of presentation be stereotyped as being for an age group.

Besides, the idea of "cartoons are for kids" is a relatively new concept anyway, started around the 1980's. In that sense it's like Fundamentalists Christianity, which is but a blip compared with the long history of Christianity according to history - ironic, then, how the most controversy arises from an almost parodying absurdist regression.

aki/kaze/shi
2007-10-20, 14:41
Mostly I start laughing. "Hee, how can you be sure it's just for kids, hn?" but I have that immature aura bout me with a laughing sense of dark humour. So, no one actually can make sense of what I mean when I start explaining it's not only for kids. Heck, I'm only 13. Most people understand some titles I watch and know it's not for little kids, and go like "Isn't this too old for you to handle?". They said that bout Fruits Basket. XD I brought the manga to school and they were surprised when they took it to find "romance" written on the back for genre. And I've somehow managed to make Naruto fans at school look like waffles compared to the stack of pancakes I've made of Tsubasa. ._. Meep.

And then there's always the 10+ rated comics..Sweet nothings..XD They saved my ass a couple times. The ones I read 10+ (I read mostly 13+ to 16+ manga.) seem to have made people go into a state of wonder to think the whole childish aura of most anime. They now know..Hee hee... :3 But it's easier for me when I started reading manga online at school and every crowded around to make fun of me, but ended up reading it themselves. I always laugh and live that immature smile on my face. But..that only works for me...^^'

KholdStare
2007-10-20, 14:53
I'll second that Elfen Lied is a good example, but not because of its violence and nudity, but for its adult themes. Kids will look at Elfen Lied and say, "Wow, blood and nudity, EXCELLENT!" Others will have a different level of comprehension for the series.

panzerfan
2007-10-21, 03:04
Anime is like any medium I think. Some literature are meant for kids, but some are not. One of the best example in my mind is how that Legend of Galactic Heroes really isn't meant for most children, as heck, even the bloodletting isn't glorified as you do in horror sensation, but are merely part of either what one would call 'war documentary'...

Animes such as Zipang might make an even stronger examples than Elfen Lied since there is not much in the ways of nudity and 'obvious gore violence' to make one label them as 'suitable for < age 18.

One piece that might stand a chance for mainstream consumption that won't label as 'for children' would be Death Note. The idea is alarming enough for the Chinese to outright ban it.

(I bet that 1/2 of the people that cosplay as Naruto characters will fall asleep watching many segments of LoGH... as politicians onscreen unleash a wave of terror through a couple of verbal sneers...)

KholdStare
2007-10-21, 03:24
Animes such as Zipang might make an even stronger examples than Elfen Lied since there is not much in the ways of nudity and 'obvious gore violence' to make one label them as 'suitable for < age 18.

While I agree that psychological anime or similar can be better classified as adult, my post preceding made the argument for Elfen Lied's plot and themes as an example of an adult anime. Not everything about Elfen Lied is violence and nudity you know.

Pell14
2007-10-21, 14:16
Is your mom and them really old? :D...Yea, I know what that is like....But I have lots of people tell me that I'm too old for it, my mom acually thinks it a "phase" I'm going through....I was like WTF??? It's very annoy really....Then my brother says that I'm too old then he goes off and watches the dub of Bleach...And he's a year older then me...My family is very messed up.....

siya! you need to bring your brother back to the proper right path! how can he be watching bleach DUB! :upset:

Misunne
2007-10-21, 15:02
I actually thought Pokemon were an anime. And Pokemon is pretty...um...childish? Or am I very, very wrong?

Deathkillz
2007-10-21, 15:09
As with anything you have to look at what audience the series is targeting...and yep pokemon is aimed at kids, but that doesnt mean that all anime is for kids (bringing in the more ecchi or gory ones).

and to those who are ignorant enough to make such a generalisation...well i wont want to be talking to such people in the first place ^^

2H-Dragon
2007-10-21, 15:41
I just lol. All I can say you can't really comment on something you haven't seen. If he comes with DBZ. I'll just give him chance to take peak in my collection(if he's a friend). If not can't be arsed do to more. No point to go all gory with EL. With something like FMP is enough to make a good point and you might even make another anime addict. Since EL might scare em off. =o

Eviltape
2007-10-21, 20:46
When people point and say to me, "Isn't anime for kids?" I ask them, "Aren't cutout cartoon characters for kids?" (South Park, it's the bible in Flooriduh)

They obviously say no. Then I say to them to go watch Elfen Lied.

How many people do I have to tell that same phrase? I mean, I accidentally made someone a semi-otaku with that one.

CloroAsakura
2007-10-21, 23:25
I just lol. All I can say you can't really comment on something you haven't seen. If he comes with DBZ. I'll just give him chance to take peak in my collection(if he's a friend). If not can't be arsed do to more. No point to go all gory with EL. With something like FMP is enough to make a good point and you might even make another anime addict. Since EL might scare em off. =o

i agreed, ignorants just critic something that they dont know.

that's is true if the person worts to show your anime collection i would show him something like seto no hanayome or ninomiya-kun, even shakugan no shana could be nice option to show them that anime isn't just for kids

marijolee
2007-10-22, 00:01
Depends on the anime. I mean, obviously some yaoi anime isnt for kids. But...I dunno...some might be?

raikage
2007-10-22, 13:50
I actually thought Pokemon were an anime. And Pokemon is pretty...um...childish? Or am I very, very wrong?

Pokemon isn't anime?

KholdStare
2007-10-22, 15:33
Pokémon is anime, and our argument here is not that ALL anime are not for kids. I recognize that at least half if not more is targeted at children, but there is a significant amount of anime out there that would make any type generalization incorrect.

WhiteWings
2007-10-24, 00:36
Anime for kids? Show them a few non-kid friendly animes and see them turn into psycho neo-conservatives.

JustInn14
2007-10-30, 16:59
Pokemon is for kids! :p LOLZ! ;)

Some are some AREN'T! enough said! lolz:p :)

User65554
2007-10-30, 17:09
Like most general types of media, some of it is for kids, some (perhaps most) isn't. In the west, most cartoons are for kids (the ones for adults are the exceptions, as there are fewer of them, as opposed to anime), and because of this, a lot of the anime that has become popular in the west are for kids (like pokemon).

Vexx
2007-10-30, 20:06
Of course, even Pokemon has episodes that... well lets just say some American parents might freak out a bit (the bikini contest episode with crossdressing 'inflatable boob' Team Rocket guy comes to mind). The series is designed for Japanese kids.... American kids get an incredibly filtered revision of Pokemon.

stjeppe
2007-11-01, 12:42
well i am 21, i enjoy watching anime as my not so "active" hobby and spend quite some time at it aswell.
in the end i spend my free time the way I want too.
i don't critisize ppl for what they do during their time.

too bad i don't find many other's nearby that enjoy it on the same level (aka beyond DBZ franchise)

anselfir
2007-11-01, 13:24
well even adult animu can't handle the sheer array of creative outlets and conventional form/themes very well. for srs animu, we get three types:

srs themed animu with mystical/fantasy metaphysics. throw gundam and shounen stuff into this category if you will, but i'd not. example for this category, Eva, 'reality is not what it seems!' stuff. not going to write a lot about this one, just that it is not srs reflection, just popularized and mystified consumable. the 'mindfuck' occurs by way of a metaphysical invention that is thrusted upon the characters.

srs themed animu with realistic characters. monster, grave of the fireflies etc. and soem portions of the first category. the key here is that, human affairs are resolved without appelaing to metaphysical deux ex machina. this sort of stuff is closest to srs work.

social analysis/expressive animu. a fairly new trend, wiht SZS as an example that i can remember. animu's expressive flexibility is exploited, but tends to form characters based on theoretical stereotypes. this is not social analysis, but a parody meaningful only to people already entrenched in a culture. again, not very valuable.

anyway, baiscally animu is overloaded with presentational and metaphysical flexibility yet lacks the personal/social expressivity necessary for srs presntations.

Seditary
2007-11-07, 22:40
I take a different approach depending on who asks me.

Someone I don't like, I tell them to go check out Bible Black, saying its about religion while roffling to myself, if they come back to me yelling about how I made them watch hentai I tell them I couldn't care less what you say and laugh even more.

Someone I do like, I carefully take them and sit down with them and show them something like 5 centimeters per second. Then think to myself, owell if they still don't care, I just watched that great movie again.

Honey_and_Cleaver
2007-11-08, 04:58
Some is for and some isnt.. FIN

Vexx
2007-11-08, 11:42
A good counter-response is "That's like saying 'isn't television just for kids? -- (optional: "and try not to sound so stupid in the future, eh?")

AnimationLady
2007-11-10, 05:04
Perhaps I worded that badly.

I should've said - "Most Anime are targeted towards children."....
that should be "most american anime imports are targeted towards children"

as said earlier that originally anime is sought as normal television. depending on the country that is.
a large amount of the american industries found it to be cheaper to import some pre-made cartoon and overdub with english.
common occurance is to find the same voice actors in many of these overdubs.
not just overdubbing, lots of these imports are getting re-scripted.. why?
cause the companies that bought the rights to air them on their channels think they have the right to change the story, just enough to please their target audience.

it's no longer the anime they got, it should be called something else like Amine cause of how much they may change it.

Something else is happening. They may just be realizing what they are doing to their imports, and not just hurting the local industries. So the north american industries are trying to replicate the amusing anime style and make their own stories, some that come to mind are just shameful examples using the anime short-cut techniques and none of the beauty.


But to continue, the cultures we have are not compliant with the idea of anime, not yet anyway.
To give a brief example: I'm over in central europe right now, I have a niece here, she is 7-8 years old, and some months ago I catch her watching Naruto on one of those cartoon channels. She will watch any and all cartoons with a zombified expression on her face. Except when it's not in her language, one I do not understand well at the moment. So I do not know if the dubbing into her language is any good or if it is censored. In either case I just about forbid her from watching that cartoon. She is MUCH too young to understand the story or to put up with the severity of it.


To conclude: Age restriction/ age suggestion should be attached to the label of the show, such as when they are presented in TV listings. Animation, despite the country or culture, is a serious industry. And if people ask you about cartoons being for kids that they've been brainwashed by stereotypes, there is more then what they have been lead on.

-MotokoAoyama-
2007-11-10, 05:12
I don't see why adults cannot watch anime. To me, there is no general difference between the plotline maturity of anime shows versus real-people shows. Yes, there are many anime targetted for kids, but there are many real-people shows targetted for kids too. I don't think we can come to a general conclusion about anime based on several examples. The only difference I can see between anime and live shows is: it is animated. End of story. Those who think anime is just for kids are probably not so familiar with anime altogether. They probably think that pokemon is the only anime that exists or something...

Reno
2007-11-10, 09:36
Those who think anime is just for kids are probably not so familiar with anime altogether.

Well yeah.... that's kinda the whole point. That's WHY most people think it's for kids. And that's why we have to show them!

Ahh I have such limited knowledge... my posts are always so short. :upset:

siya
2007-11-12, 12:39
Well yeah.... that's kinda the whole point. That's WHY most people think it's for kids. And that's why we have to show them!

Ahh I have such limited knowledge... my posts are always so short. :upset:

lol, Well, people are really irrogent...It's annoying, the reason they have so little knowlegde is due to the fact that most anime in America is on Cartoonnetwork, Cartoonnetwork, people know to undoubtebly be a kids station...So they learn not of what anime is, but of what anime looks to be. Which pisses me off because they judge it...I don't really like people who judge things right off the bat due to one thing....Very annoying.....Then the fact that (I went around my neghiborhood and took a survey, so this might be different for you) when I asked most of the adults in my nehiborhood, and asked them what's the first thing that comes to mind when I say anime, most of them responded with Pokemon, Pokemon was ment for kids, so they judge off of one anime and come to a conclusion that all anime are for kids because it's drawn first off all, then the fact Pokemon is just so childish (Though, I'm 15, and I still like Pokemon :D). So really they have the completly wrong idea of anime because of 1 factor...It's really sadening...

JustInn14
2007-11-12, 13:06
I don't see why adults cannot watch anime. To me, there is no general difference between the plotline maturity of anime shows versus real-people shows. Yes, there are many anime targetted for kids, but there are many real-people shows targetted for kids too. I don't think we can come to a general conclusion about anime based on several examples. The only difference I can see between anime and live shows is: it is animated. End of story. Those who think anime is just for kids are probably not so familiar with anime altogether. They probably think that pokemon is the only anime that exists or something...

Meet my parents. :p THAT'S what they think.........

Vexx
2007-11-13, 00:29
Meet my parents. :p THAT'S what they think.........

The lame part is that *I* might be old enough to be *their* parents. Their lack of interest in understanding what their kids are into is a -fail-.

Ash Falls Town
2007-11-13, 04:58
Well after reading this thread I have to consider myself lucky.
My parents seem to think practically all anime is high class, deep and very complicated. Once when I said that Uta Kata had lots of symbolism he said "Well isn't all anime like that?".
I had to tell him about shows about singing mermaid princess superheroes before he believed that not all anime is like that.

Seditary
2007-11-13, 23:30
lol, you are lucky.

Even my friends who casually watch anime don't have views like that.

cicido
2007-11-14, 01:47
Well after reading this thread I have to consider myself lucky.
My parents seem to think practically all anime is high class, deep and very complicated. Once when I said that Uta Kata had lots of symbolism he said "Well isn't all anime like that?".
I had to tell him about shows about singing mermaid princess superheroes before he believed that not all anime is like that.

You have the most ideal parants ever.
I had to spent half an hour convincing mine just so they can let me spend my money on anime things.

Figucher
2007-11-14, 04:57
No one has asked this one from me, as far as I can remember. Either I have open minded friends and relatives, or they have better things to worry about, I dunno.

How would I respond? Either I'd try to convince the person who asks, that not all anime is for kids, or either say I'm feeling childish and leave it at that. :)

amoszai
2007-11-14, 06:01
And I will in return ask them a question like this.
"Are you the same as a caveman?"

IMO, anime is an advanced version of cartoon. Other than being edited by computer graphics and so, nothing more is the same. Anime has a lot of things that aren't even suited for kids. Things like ecchi stuff, deep plot, violence, gore and so. Have anyone ever seen bloods splashing everywhere in a cartoon? (please, not happy tree fans)

That's just what I think though.

Reno
2007-11-14, 08:44
My parents seem to think practically all anime is high class, deep and very complicated. Once when I said that Uta Kata had lots of symbolism he said "Well isn't all anime like that?".
I had to tell him about shows about singing mermaid princess superheroes before he believed that not all anime is like that.

Ehe you're more lucky than me... a few weeks ago I found out that my mum doesn't even know what anime IS! :eek:

It took a while to explain because I didn't to just say "Japanese cartoons". Otherwise... well y'know. ;) :heh:

Diaboso
2007-11-14, 11:46
well as it has been said a zillion times. if their is a normal TV show their is an anime with a similar theam.

horror *check*
fantasy *check*
Sci fi *check*
kid show *check*
mystery *check*
suspense *check*
nudity *check*
and everything else

so all in all it has a subject for everyone in every age group, I I feel that in no way is it just for kids

siya
2007-11-14, 11:49
well as it has been said a zillion times. if their is a normal TV show their is an anime with a similar theam.

horror *check*
fantasy *check*
Sci fi *check*
kid show *check*
mystery *check*
suspense *check*
nudity *check*
and everything else

so all in all it has a subject for everyone in every age group, I I feel that in no way is it just for kids

Well, alot of adults today automaticalll assume that just because it's animated it makes if you kids...Then there are some like my sister who say that everything animated is little kids stuffs and that I shouldn't watch it, then she goes off and watches like Family Guy or something..and I'm like WTF?:confused:

Diaboso
2007-11-14, 11:56
Well, alot of adults today automaticalll assume that just because it's animated it makes if you kids...Then there are some like my sister who say that everything animated is little kids stuffs and that I shouldn't watch it, then she goes off and watches like Family Guy or something..and I'm like WTF?:confused:

yeah some think that but I think shows like family guy are getting more 15-25 year old more accepting to animations.

but as anime gets more real it becomes easier to accept by the nay sayers.

I got my uncial to watch "Apple Seed the movie" because it looked rather real

siya
2007-11-14, 12:08
yeah some think that but I think shows like family guy are getting more 15-25 year old more accepting to animations.

but as anime gets more real it becomes easier to accept by the nay sayers.

I got my uncial to watch "Apple Seed the movie" because it looked rather real

lol, Interesting...My mom judges anime all the time saying it's for kids, but she loves Cased Closed xD...My dad doesn't judge..he likes some, then others he doesn't....He's favorite is Gundam Wing :D..So people say it's for kids, but there is always one anime they will like..Because, like you said, anime is in all different types of generas

SeijiSensei
2007-11-14, 13:45
Anime for older folks just starting out (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=980020#post980020)

These days I'd add Mononoke (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1067.html) to that list if the person likes horror or splendid artwork.

BlueRise
2007-11-14, 21:08
well... some anime isn't for kids like higurashi no naku and bokusatsu tenshi dokuro-chan. i wouldnt really say that anime is for kids though because i think its for people of all ages ^_^

Reno
2007-11-15, 08:54
yeah some think that but I think shows like family guy are getting more 15-25 year old more accepting to animations.

Yeah.... so if people can accept shows like Family Guy aren't for kids, then they SHOULD see that anime isn't just for kids. They should but they don't...

People don't make sense!! :frustrated:

She-Chan
2007-11-15, 11:42
yeah people always say about anime "cartoon" and no body could understand the diffrence between the word "anime" and the word "cartoon" they are thinking like anime is for babies and make fun of you those people including some of my friends don't understand anything. infact there are some animes 18+ I mean anime is also for adults.
Those poeple are just making no sense

Reno
2007-11-15, 14:58
Erm you're not making much sense either. I mean, I'm not being funny, but please put some more grammer there so I can understand it properly. :upset:

Also I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. Anime IS cartoon, there's just no denying. It's just that.... some it, or most, isn't for kids.

JustInn14
2007-11-16, 00:56
It's a style of animation. When I think Cartoons now-a-days, I think of crap from the Diznut Ch@nnel. :-/

siya
2007-11-16, 11:59
Erm you're not making much sense either. I mean, I'm not being funny, but please put some more grammer there so I can understand it properly. :upset:

Also I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. Anime IS cartoon, there's just no denying. It's just that.... some it, or most, isn't for kids.

Well, In a technical sense yes...But it is a different style....When I think "Cartoon" I think things like Sponge Bob and all thems. When I think "Anime" I think Naruto, Death Note, Hikaru no Go, etc... Anime and Cartoon have been seperated purely on drawing styles and storys. Anime and Cartoon (Obviously) have completly different stories and art. Anime in general is normaly more realistic on the body, (Some arn't...Like Dragonball Z....well, it's close to the human body, it's just that they have like a 32 pack abbs xD), then Cartoon, they arn't so much realistic, they have messed up heads and arms and what not. Anime, their stories range from fantasy to Sci-Fi, to just life of school stundets, to games like Go and stuffs. Most Cartoons storys are based on stupidity and comedy to attract like 7 year olds, such as The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. Then other's are more stupidity comedy for adults like Family Guy. Now, some cartoons have story lines not so much stupid and more of an action thing with comedy scences. Disney is probably best known for this with like American Dragon Jake Long and Kim Possible. Then you have others that are anime based..the example I'm thinking of...I dunno if it's anime or not..haven't been able to tell, Avatar the Last Air Bender, has an anime theme and drawing to it, as well as the stroy line, with the styles being based off of 4 styles of Chineese Sholin. Yea, Anime is Cartoon, yes, but people have branched it down from Animation. Animation would be the starting point, and Cartoon and Anime would be branches, then branches of anime could be like Shonen, etc..but we wont get into that :D

Vexx
2007-11-17, 03:01
Though the word "cartoon" is derived from words (French?) relating to 'caricature' ... 99% of the time it refers to a grand library of "six minute shorts" that were used as openers to theatrical showings. No grand plot, no series to speak of.
TV cartoons from the 60s-80s usually involved a regular cast of characters but no overarching story line --- the episodes could pretty much be shuffled randomly and you couldn't tell anything had changed.
When Disney put out their feature-length animation --- they didn't think it should be called a 'cartoon' so they *always* refer to them as "animated features".

Unlike cartoons, anime usually features a full storyline and outside of a few recycle/rinse/repeats that utilize multiple story arcs (Bleach, Naruto, etc) -- most of them have a beginning, a center, and a definite end (even if no one picks a girl or solves a dilemma).

Lately, I defy most "prime time live action" series on American tv to even remotely entertain me as much as anime does - or even provide a storyline that isn't grisly, anxiety-ridden, or otherwise annoying. The last two weeks my wife and I have been trying to watch American series - only to blast the writing, the plot, the character motivations into shreds. You know that series about the vampire detective? Great idea, absolutely lame dialog --- there was a much better series in the 80s about a vampire cop who worked the nightshift. rant, froth, whatever....
... back to PBS and anime :)

konstargirl
2007-11-19, 06:40
Well I don't how to puts this but not all anime shows are for kids. Most of them what I heard are for either adults or teens depending how the language is or how are the characters are. Examples are Fushigi yuugi, Ranma(maybe), and Full moon wo sagashite are like fpr teens or over. Thats all I know of for now.

I'm sure theres other animes that aren't for age 12 or under unless a adult is sitting there watching that anime with the. ^^;

X10A_Freedom
2007-11-19, 06:48
Personally think LOST is well-written. As for Heroes, I shall stay silent.

...and as for anime and kids, if ever it happens, I'd tell people to go watch Hellsing and see if that's for kids!

Qwazar
2007-11-19, 13:21
Ovbiously, my answer is (even though I would muh rather argue for good 20 minutes):

'Isn't wanting to act grownup and avoiding 'childish' things for kids?'

Isariru
2007-11-19, 16:11
The only people who say Anime is a cartoon and its for children are the people who prejudge it and never watched a good anime. Or may have watched random english dubs on Toonami/Adult swim. I have a few friends who would naturally never ever bother anime, but I showed them a few animes which would do good with their personalities and they are in love and beginning to explore new genres of anime. I believe theres animes out there for anyone, of any age. The only people who hate anime or prejudge it are those who simply never sat down and watched a decent series.

minhtam1638
2007-11-19, 16:14
Anime for kids? Uh, one word: hentai.

Reno
2007-11-19, 17:40
Um... no. Don't tell that's the ONLY way you see it isn't for kids! :eek:

Anyway.... you know I've been thinking... we've been saying all this stuff about people having a streotypical view of anime. But.... it's not there fault, is it? I mean, let's put ourselves in their position. We haven't seen any series', but just pictures and advertisements and that. What can possibly make us think "Hmm.... I wander if there are some really deep and mature stories... I wander if it isn't just for kids"?

Just a thought.

Vexx
2007-11-19, 17:56
Actually... I argue that hentai IS for young minds, much of it is actually pretty boring after a while (though the same goes for porn in general). Storyline lame factor too high.. must escape.

(yes, there's some very well written hentai out there... finding it is a trick at times)

User65554
2007-11-19, 18:41
For young minds maybe, but probably not for kids the age pokemon is aimed at.

minhtam1638
2007-11-20, 00:03
Um... no. Don't tell that's the ONLY way you see it isn't for kids! :eek:

No, there are a lot more ways to rate it away from kids, such as violence involving high contents of blood. Hentai is the first word that came into my mind.

siya
2007-11-27, 12:01
Well I don't how to puts this but not all anime shows are for kids. Most of them what I heard are for either adults or teens depending how the language is or how are the characters are. Examples are Fushigi yuugi, Ranma(maybe), and Full moon wo sagashite are like fpr teens or over. Thats all I know of for now.

I'm sure theres other animes that aren't for age 12 or under unless a adult is sitting there watching that anime with the. ^^;

Yea, Anime ranges from kids to Adults...You have things for kids, such as Hello Kitty and Pokemon (Which I for one, being 15, still love Pokemon :D), Then you have things ranged towards teens such as Naruto, Death Note, Hikaru no Go, Sailor Moon, Shamen King, etc..., Then you have things more towards adults which can bassicaly be branched into "Hentai" with things such as Black Bible. Now, Due to the fact that everyone, Adults, Teens, and Kids, have the same intrest, different anime can be liked by all. With Live-action shows, I know alot of people like the same. Like for instance, my dad, my step-mom, my sister, and myself, all love Stargate (The Movie, SG-1, Atlantice, we love it). Then my mom and and my brother like shows like Charmend (gotta admit, I find it pretty good) Now, I'm 15, my dad is 47, my sister is 23, my step mom is 51, my mom is 43, my brother is 16. As you can see, everything relates with almost every age group. So anime is just like that. When I was like 10, my dad and I used to watch Gundam Wing all the time, he loved it, I loved it, same interest right there. Now, my mom isn't too big on anime, and she thinks it's a "phase" I'm going through...But, she likes Cased Closed, cause she's into the mystery stuffs, CSI, With Out a Trace, all thems. So anime, is for Kids, Teens, and adults. Now, they can deney it, but yes, Hentai is towards adults, but most teens watch Hentai....Cuase there teens, Tis be what they do. Now, Japan has a different viewing thing then America. What is appropriate for kids in Japan isn't Appropriate for kids in America. Yu-Gi-Oh is a fine example of this. If you wath the Japanese dub of Yu-Gi-Oh, there is more to it then Dueling. They have like 1st grades carrying wepons, and so much violence. In the American Dub there is only really Dueling, except for teh Dugeon Dice Monsters arc. But yea, not much violence, just a thing where if you loose a card game, you loose your soul. The point being, Everyone has common interest, and anime, like live-action, follows those interests.

Shiiy
2007-11-27, 13:35
some animes are for kids , but many are not.
i think some animes are even hard for kids to understand.
animes are for everybody!

MGBelfyRogue
2007-11-27, 16:49
Most people I have run into who don't watch anime are either in the "Cartoons are for kids" mentality, or think that all anime is "Japornimation". I usually just ignore those people because they will never change their mind about it without seeing any and they're unlikely to give it a chance.

siya
2007-11-29, 11:47
some animes are for kids , but many are not.
i think some animes are even hard for kids to understand.
animes are for everybody!

hehe Paranioa Agent is a perfect example for this :D

Koshiro
2007-11-29, 23:41
Personally, I just ignore such comments, although at the college I attend, most of the anime fans are from eighteen to thirty'ish years old. Many people just do not understand what it is about anime that makes it for everyone.

Although if you need hardcore evidence that not all anime is for children, just show someone Elfen Lied, Gantz, Fist of the North Star or Hellsing, any will do. Most likely, the comments will change from, "Aren't you to old?" to "How could you watch this?! I can't even handle it!"

Kristen
2007-11-30, 00:06
I usually proceed to tell them the storyline to Death Note, Meakashi-hen in Higurashi, or School Days. Usually quiets them down in no time.

MagicaLideaL
2007-11-30, 00:14
Anime is anime.

Cartoon is cartoon.

Both are different thingies.

grgspunk
2007-11-30, 00:22
Easy. I make'em watch an episode of either Princess 69 or Urotsukidoji. :cool:

siya
2007-11-30, 08:21
I usually proceed to tell them the storyline to Death Note, Meakashi-hen in Higurashi, or School Days. Usually quiets them down in no time.

hehe...Well, Death Note is more towards teens, or so I thought. Alot of adults find teens stuff to be kids too. Then you have my mom, I lucky enough to to be able to read/watch it...She heard the word "Death" in the title and immediatly thought it was bad. I had to lie and tell her that Death was Japanese for Bunnies and that "Bunnies Note" is about somekid who uses a note book to summon bunnies to rid the world of evil...which I told her was Giant spiders....-_-...My mom is very strict with stuffs...so I had to think of like the most childish story line...

Whitemoon648
2007-11-30, 14:43
To be honest almost my WHOLE family want me to stop watching "cartoons". My dad, My mom, My cousins and even my Uncle. Well thats why i always keep my door closed.

My respond to them would be and is,

"PLEASE DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER" .

As simple as that. I dont give them the right to call me a kid, before they even try it :frustrated:.


WM648 stops Ranting and goes back to his peacfull, calm mode.

Seditary
2007-11-30, 20:21
I've decided that whenever I get this question from now I'm just gonna shrug and say that I am a kid, I just look a lot older than I really am.

cicido
2007-11-30, 20:32
I've decided that whenever I get this question from now I'm just gonna shrug and say that I am a kid, I just look a lot older than I really am.

Correct answer, way easier and better than explaining for half an hour while the person STILL thinks that you are trying to make up excuses.

GetBackers
2007-11-30, 20:51
"People watch anime because they find it interesting, compelling, funny, and cute."


Compelling - Having a powerful and irresistible effect; requiring acute admiration, attention, or respect.

Interesting - Engaging or exciting and holding the attention or curiosity.

Cute - Attractive, pleasingly pretty.

Funny - Providing fun; causing amusement or laughter.


That is why people watch anime, so no it's not for kids. Tell this to whoever asks you, "Isn't anime for kids?".

Tripfag
2008-01-19, 09:08
All anime are intended for either kids or nerds.

It is a sad but true fact.

GreatTeacherKen
2008-01-19, 15:39
^^ are you including yourself in that generalization?

Yes there are anime that are made for such people but that doesn't mean people who don't fall into those demographics can't enjoy them. I mean, there are adults who like Disney movies.

People really should stop generalizing. Humans are the most intelligent animals around, sad to see some people wasting it.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-19, 15:42
Anime is for kids? Right, stop watching Simpsons.

Ziv
2008-01-19, 17:41
This reminds me of when I first saw some people on my Dorm floor watching Kill Bill. The moment I saw it I thought "that's a live-action anime!" It's hilarious how people will watch Kill Bill, but freak out over the exact same thing presented in a different medium.

tbl
2008-01-19, 18:35
"Gantz Q.E.D."

"Rurouni Kenshin: Tsuiokuhen - The protagonist as a boy was sold into slavery after his parents died from cholera, where he was looked after by three older woman. The slave-traders caravan was attacked by bandits and everyone was killed including the older woman who were killed shielding the protagonist. This was just the first 5 or so minutes."

"Your mum's for children"

Tripfag
2008-01-19, 18:51
^^ are you including yourself in that generalization?

Yes there are anime that are made for such people but that doesn't mean people who don't fall into those demographics can't enjoy them. I mean, there are adults who like Disney movies.

People really should stop generalizing. Humans are the most intelligent animals around, sad to see some people wasting it.

Yes, I do include myself.

There isn't really a place where it is considered a 'cool' thing to do.

Vexx
2008-01-20, 21:00
I'm going to speculate you've not traveled much then to make such sweeping generalizations :)

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 01:54
I'm going to speculate you've not traveled much then to make such sweeping generalizations :)

Do you really think there is a place where grown men and women watching cartoons is normal?

Vexx
2008-01-21, 02:46
Off the top of my head, you've never been to any NASA facility then? High tech companies? Any number of software development facilities? I don't have to "think there is" - I've spent most of my career around adults who watch cartoons and anime.

Since I *am* a grown father with two teenage young men whose girlfriends and their friends watch anime and cartoons. They're all on successful tracks both socially and academically. My wife (pharmacist) and a number of her professional work friends watch anime/cartoons.

I *suppose* they're all nerds --- if you consider successful people with critical thinking skills and excellent social skills to be "nerds" :)

I guess what I'm saying is that your .sig fails on first pass analysis :)

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 03:49
Off the top of my head, you've never been to any NASA facility then? High tech companies? Any number of software development facilities? I don't have to "think there is" - I've spent most of my career around adults who watch cartoons and anime.

Since I *am* a grown father with two teenage young men whose girlfriends and their friends watch anime and cartoons. They're all on successful tracks both socially and academically. My wife (pharmacist) and a number of her professional work friends watch anime/cartoons.

I *suppose* they're all nerds --- if you consider successful people with critical thinking skills and excellent social skills to be "nerds" :)

I guess what I'm saying is that your .sig fails on first pass analysis :)

All I'm saying is that it isn't meant for a mainstream audience. It's that simple. Read carefully before you post again.
Do you really think everyone in Japan is an anime fan?

Also, lol for not expecting nerds in NASA.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 03:52
You don't get what he said, do you?

EXEs
2008-01-21, 03:53
Lol, Vexx, I think we can ignore Tripfag. He sounds like a 4chan troller/b/tard :).

But he's partly right about where anime isn't really considered cool, especially at my school, which is chock full of "Western cultured" students who dismiss anime and tease you about it even if you mention it at all. Hell, sometimes I wish I went to a local school here in HK, where anime is very accepted, and people actually know what it is, and enjoy it.

Sassarai
2008-01-21, 03:53
Isn't Family Guy pretty main stream? How about the Simpsons?

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 03:55
Isn't Family Guy pretty main stream? How about the Simpsons?

American cartoons are always made for either kids, or a full majority. That's the main difference between the east and west. Japan's anime market is pretty much fan-ruled.

Vexx
2008-01-21, 04:03
Ah, but you keep using words like "all" and "always" ... so you leave yourself open for easy dismissal. Asserting opinions as fact... <shrug> good luck with that. I did read carefully. For example, you wrote: "Do you really think there is a place where grown men and women watching cartoons is normal?" I answered that question ... perhaps you should write more clearly :)

"American cartoons are always made for either kids, or a full majority." is pretty much an assertion of opinion. If you ask the animators of such shows as Animaniacs or Ren&Stimpy (or even Bullwinkle), you'll find the answer much more complicated.
Family Guy and the Simpsons (and Futurama, King of the Hill, etc) have been targeted to young adult audiences from the beginning - the Simpsons first aired as comedy segments on late night television.

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 04:04
Ah, but you keep using words like "all" and "always" ... so you leave yourself open for easy dismissal. Asserting opinions as fact... <shrug> good luck with that.

"American cartoons are always made for either kids, or a full majority." is pretty much an assertion of opinion. If you ask the animators of such shows as Animaniacs or Ren&Stimpy (or even Bullwinkle), you'll find the answer much more complicated.

This is just walking away from my point.

!Sky*
2008-01-21, 04:05
I guess people just make hasty generalizations that all anime are for kids. When some of my friends point out the childishness of my interests, I invite them over and show them a nice boat.

Yeah, or maybe some Ninja Scroll. That would shut them up.

Vexx
2008-01-21, 04:18
This is just walking away from my point.

<sigh> If your point wasn't clearly made in the first place, people have to address what you actually wrote.. not what you may have meant.

You are correct that animation usually isn't *considered* mainstream in America by some ... but it is creeping steadily into even Joe and Jane Sixpack's life because they go see movies like "Cars" or the "Incredibles". They watch Family Guy and King of the Hill with its obnoxious humor.
So even if they themselves claim they don't watch "cartoons"... they actually are.

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 04:20
<sigh> If your point wasn't clearly made in the first place, people have to address what you actually wrote.. not what you may have meant.

You are correct that animation usually isn't *considered* mainstream in America by some ... but it is creeping steadily into even Joe and Jane Sixpack's life because they go see movies like "Cars" or the "Incredibles". They watch Family Guy and King of the Hill with its obnoxious humor.
So even if they themselves claim they don't watch "cartoons"... they actually are.

You still don't get it. I said that anime is MADE for kids and otaku. I didn't say anything about American cartoons, or who you think watches them.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 04:25
All anime are made for either kids or nerds.
I said that anime is MADE for kids and otaku.

You fail, seriously.

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 04:28
You fail, seriously.

What part of that didn't you get? Seriously. Just say it.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 04:32
What part of that didn't you get? Seriously. Just say it.

Make up your mind. Anime is made for kids, nerds or otaku?

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 04:32
Make up your mind. Anime is made for kids, nerds or otaku?

First of all, Otaku = Nerd.

Second, is it so hard to just say "Yes, but I like it anyway"?

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 04:35
Otaku =/= Nerd. Do you need me to find the references for you?

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 04:36
Otaku =/= Nerd. Do you need me to find the references for you?

Go ahead. Otaku are nerds.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 04:42
Before that, I would like to know your definition of nerd and otaku.

Kamui4356
2008-01-21, 04:45
You still don't get it. I said that anime is MADE for kids and otaku. I didn't say anything about American cartoons, or who you think watches them.

If anime is solely the domain of kiddies and otaku, what about a series like Sazae-san? I doubt it could get the ratings it's enjoyed for so long without appealing to a wider audience. There's also the case of Miyazaki movies. There are plenty of examples of anime made for a wider audience. While a lot of anime is targeted at those kiddies and otaku, there is still quite a bit aimed at a more general audience.

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 04:46
Before that, I would like to know your definition of nerd and otaku.

From Wiki:

In modern Japanese slang, the term otaku refers to an overtly obsessive fan of, or is specialized in any one particular theme, topic, or hobby. Common uses are anime otaku (one who sometimes enjoys many days of excessive anime watching with no rest) and manga otaku (a fan of Japanese graphic novels), pasokon otaku (personal computer geeks), gēmu otaku (playing video games), and wota (before referred as "idol otaku") that are extreme fans of idols, heavily promoted singing girls. There are also tetsudō otaku or denshamania (metrophiles) or gunji otaku (military geeks).

The term is a loanword from the Japanese language. In English, it is used to refer specifically to any kind of "geek", though it can sometimes as a fan of anime and/or manga.

Like how someone obsessed with video games or comics is a nerd.

If anime is solely the domain of kiddies and otaku, what about a series like Sazae-san? I doubt it could get the ratings it's enjoyed for so long without appealing to a wider audience. There's also the case of Miyazaki movies. There are plenty of examples of anime made for a wider audience. While a lot of anime is targeted at those kiddies and otaku, there is still quite a bit aimed at a more general audience.

Sazae-san is almost definetly a kid's show. Mizazaki films are at the very least made for kids.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 04:50
You generalized. There are too many types of nerds.

Otaku =/= Nerd.
Otaku = anime/manga nerd.

Vexx
2008-01-21, 04:51
All anime are intended for either kids or nerds.That is somewhat true as I'll discuss further down.

There isn't really a place where it is considered a 'cool' thing to do. Do you really think there is a place where grown men and women watching cartoons is normal?Those posts are where you started to drift off-base --

American cartoons are always made for either kids, or a full majority. That's the main difference between the east and west. Japan's anime market is pretty much fan-ruled. There's where you contradicted yourself on American cartoons. And both east and west are typically driven by consumer desires so the latter assertion is kind of murky as well.

Do you really think everyone in Japan is an anime fan?
Now you're suddenly narrowing the scope of anime fans to Japan .... where it *is* unusual or worrisome to be seen as an anime fan.

I didn't say anything about American cartoons, or who you think watches them.
um.... see above "American cartoons are always made for either kids, or a full majority."

Right... I think at this point, what you were *trying* to say was that the majority of Japanese anime are designed and marketed to male otaku -- though that still leaves a fair amount of it like such genre as josei or seinen which is aimed at young hip adults of either gender. The majority of 'mainstream' Japan still prefers live-action (even if its based on a manga/anime franchise) at least publicly - but that seems to be evolving.

American cartoons come in several categories targeted at a variety of demographics. Sometimes they break out into other demographics not originally targeted.

In America, anime *reaches* into the mainstream even if that isn't what the producers originally had in mind. They don't quite seem to know what to do with this phenomenom so far.

edit: and yeah, otaku could be considered a subset of the "nerd" or "geek" type. They're just not logically equivalent, which is what yourhead seems to be driving at. Real otaku are almost totally socially dysfunctional and often shunned if 'outed'. Nerds and geeks in the US have blended into popular culture and society to the point where they're part of the normal picture -- and far fewer of them are socially dysfunctional.

!Sky*
2008-01-21, 04:52
You still don't get it. I said that anime is MADE for kids and otaku. I didn't say anything about American cartoons, or who you think watches them.

Yeah, I still dont get it. Explain how anime like Akira can be regarded as "made for kids". And what about films by Shinkai Makoto? Are you going to blatantly declare that those are targeted at children too? My point is, the target audience of anime are not simply limited to kids and otaku. There are ample examples of anime for general audiences and adults, so stop making false generalizations.

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 04:52
You generalized. There are too many types of nerds.

Otaku =/= Nerd.
Otaku = anime/manga nerd.

Let me say it again.

The term is a loanword from the Japanese language. In English, it is used to refer specifically to any kind of "geek", though it can sometimes as a fan of anime and/or manga.

What's so bad about the fact? Tons of people can just say "I honestly don't care who they're made for. I watch it and that's all that matters." Why not you?

Wow, explain how anime like Akira can be regarded as "made for kids".

That would be for the Otaku.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 04:53
I am just playing around with words..

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 04:55
One of the biggest differences between the East and west is that comics are more mainstream in Japan. That explains some series like Suppli being successful overseas.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 04:58
What's so bad about the fact? Tons of people can just say "I honestly don't care who they're made for. I watch it and that's all that matters." Why not you?What's so bad about the fact? Just too bad. Anime made for kids and otakus?

I said that anime is MADE for kids and otaku.Yea, good job. Kids watching hentai.

"Papa, what are they doing?"

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 05:00
Yea, good job. Kids watching hentai.

Kids AND nerds.

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 05:04
YES. YOU SAY KIDS AND OTAKU/NERDS.

THE WORD "AND" SAYS ALOT YOU KNOW?

"Or" should be used, not "and."

That's like, hentai are made for kids.

Tripfag
2008-01-21, 05:05
YES. YOU SAY KIDS AND OTAKU/NERDS.

THE WORD "AND" SAYS ALOT YOU KNOW?

"Or" should be used, not "and."

That's like, hentai are made for kids.

Oh wow. Is that what confused everyone? I must need to gb2/Conjunction Junction/

:heh:

Phantasmagoria
2008-01-21, 05:09
I think, it's just me.

EXEs
2008-01-21, 05:43
THEY SEE ME TROLLING, THEY HATIN'...

C'mon, Tripfag, sing along!

Patrollin' they tryin' to catch me writin' dirty
Tryna' catch me writin' dirty,
Tryna' catch me writin' dirty,
Tryna' catch me writin' dirty,
Tryna' catch me writin' dirty...

Zenemis
2008-01-21, 08:41
What's so bad about the fact? Just too bad. Anime made for kids and otakus?

Yea, good job. Kids watching hentai.

"Papa, what are they doing?"

Show a fairly deviant one to a typical guy in the 20s.

"Um dude? HUH?!"

Deathkillz
2008-01-21, 18:58
Wow...seems like watching anime is more of a guilty sin for you, Tripfag, after reading what you said :heh:

Well at least anime is cooler than what most crap I have going on here ^^

Naruto007
2008-01-21, 19:44
I am not an anime or manga addict, I just love to see things like people flying, demons, the arts, and love stories in these series. For one, I would say that i am a coward when it comes to an anime discussion or anything related. I am usually one of those people that see those Geeks looking at Anime or reading a Manga and would make fun of them. I would act stupid and say "WTF is manga, whats the eyes and hair..etc". I would make fun of these people with friends in class, but when i am alone like right now I head straight for the next episode or manga of my favorit series (Naruto, and Bleach)...

whats wrong with me? Is it the fact that i feel like i have a reputation with people, and all the lies i told?

How does anime or manga interfers or connects with your social life? most times animes give me hope, or inspire me. like how those anime characters never give up at something or w.e. lol and it inspires me to be like that...

King Lycan
2008-01-21, 19:49
Step One stop calling them geeks
I had a similar probeml because i was black and 80% if my friends are they made fun of me for some time but they stooped cause they knew i dint give a fuck