Mahou Tsukai no Yoru, next Type-Moon's game

[Proto]

It would seem Type-Moon doesn't like its competitor getting ahead in this year's game race.

From Visual Novels.net


Type Moon has finally announced a new visual novel project, Mahou Tsukai no Yoru ~ Witch on the Holy Night. The game right now is reported to be a prequel to Tsukihime with Aoko Aozaki as the main character, who was a minor character in Tsukihime and Melty Blood. There is a site (http://www.typemoon.com/product/witch/witch.html) up now, and more information will become available in Type Moon Ace, which will go on sale April 21st. It's not exactly a completely new work, but the news of a new visual novel from Type Moon is definitely a good thing.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4135/20080404mahouiv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It would seem it will be based on a written novel (http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mahou_Tsukai_no_Yoru) "released" on the 1996 (it only saw a private release, it never went public) of the same name by Nasu Kinoko. Just to help dispel the rumours, it would seem it hasn't been announced whether this will be a visual novel, a commercial release of the book or whatever. We will have to wait for April 21st for more details

[Kinny Riddle]

Can't you use the English name given? "Witch On the Holy Night"

Makes you wonder where the folks at Type-Moon get their money from before they decide to do this and after releasing Fate/hollow ataraxia. (The same goes for the folks at Key. ) Through all the franchise stuff they sell in Comiket and Akiba, perhaps? :cool:

From the name, I won't be surprised if this shares the same Type-Moon universe that Tsukihime and Fate inhabit, with references made to the vampires and Holy Grail Wars.

Back in 2004, Type-Moon released Fate opposite of Key's Clannad. Type-Moon won in terms of games sold, though Key got one back in the anime adaptation department thanks to their strategic collaboration with Kyoto Animation. This would be another interesting VN games war between the two giants.

[Avisch]

I heard this on the beast's lair. Such great news. I had heard about Mahoutsukai back when I first got into Type-Moon. I'm happy it gets a release like this atleast.

Kinny Riddle: The summary is pretty clear in saying that it does take place in the same world. The story is about Aoko so it won't be talking about the Grail war or Vampires as much as it will talk about magic/magecraft (they are two different things mind you) aswell as her past and relationship with her sister.

The summary of the book goes as such


From Akihabara Channel (http://www.akiba-ch.com/?p=472)

The story takes place when Aoko was in high school. She is accidently witnessed by a guy called Soujyurou when she was using her magic. In this world, mages need to keep their art as a secret from society. The thing is, Soujyurou just came out of the country side and everything in the urban city was new to him. So he thinks her magic was normal for the people living in the city. But persuaded by Alice, Aoko decides to kill Soujyurou… and they somehow all end up living together at Alice’s mansion!




In any case. I love Aoko (as I love most major Type-Moon characters). I'm very excited for this.

[Proto]

Makes you wonder where the folks at Type-Moon get their money from before they decide to do this and after releasing Fate/hollow ataraxia. (The same goes for the folks at Key. ) Through all the franchise stuff they sell in Comiket and Akiba, perhaps?

Well they had Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua] for the PS2 to milk as well, but yeah, this comes as a fresh breeze after all their milking they had done of Fate Stay Night since the 2004

Can't you use the English name given? "Witch On the Holy Night"

I'd be glad to even change the game part to project as to avoid confusion but sadly normal members don't have the privileges to change the thread title once created :p

[Sterling01]

Mahou Tsukai no Yoru = A Magician’s Night, "Witch On the Holy Night" is the game's subtitle

[MakubeX2]

Actually this is where all the elements of the Nasu-verse stems from. A loser of a guy living with a strong willed long haired female and her dark weak willed sister in a huge mansion.

But I don't expect the original prototype to be good since he wrote it back in his student days and distribute about 10 copies to his closest friends for opinions.

Now that he has drag the entire thing out into the open, I believe that Nasu had done some massive improvement to the writings. It will be interesting if someone had obtained a original copy to see how bad Nasu was after the release of this.

But the main issue I have with this announcement is not whether Nasu is/was a good/bad writer, but why is TM dragging out his old titles for sale ? Don't they have enough faith in him in producing a new piece of work ?

If they are not confident in him, why don't they train/recruit a new writer ? Or perhaps TM has already had this in mind and is using Nasu's old works for testing ground with edits done by somebody new.

[Sterling01]

Actually this is where all the elements of the Nasu-verse stems from. A loser of a guy living with a strong willed long haired female and her dark weak willed sister in a huge mansion.

But I don't expect the original prototype to be good since he wrote it back in his student days and distribute about 10 copies to his closest friends for opinions.

Now that he has drag the entire thing out into the open, I believe that Nasu had done some massive improvement to the writings. It will be interesting if someone had obtained a original copy to see how bad Nasu was after the release of this.

But the main issue I have with this announcement is not whether Nasu is/was a good/bad writer, but why is TM dragging out his old titles for sale ? Don't they have enough faith in him in producing a new piece of work ?

If they are not confident in him, why don't they train/recruit a new writer ? Or perhaps TM has already had this in mind and is using Nasu's old works for testing ground with edits done by somebody new.
Mahou Tsukai no Yoru is considered one of Nasu's best works, though I wish he would do something with Angel Notes, V.V and Godo are IMO some of the best characters he created.

As for getting a new writer TM would never do that as TM is Nasu's and Takeuchi's company

Also the text says:

ー坂の上のお屋敷には、二人の魔女が住むでいるー

In the mansion on the top of a slope, two witches are living

[EvoSpace]

Mahou Tsukai no Yoru is considered one of Nasu's best works, though I wish he would do something with Angel Notes, V.V and Godo are IMO some of the best characters he created.


I second that. notes. has the most interesting world setting out of Nasu's works.

Although I'm quite excited about Mahoyo.... ^^;

[MakubeX2]

Mahou Tsukai no Yoru is considered one of Nasu's best works,

Sometime the truth is blown out of proportion and into something mythical. Might I ask how many people read the original script of Mahou Tsukai besides the supposed 10 individual when it wasn't meant for a public release ?

Even a prodigy starts out as a rough diamond and it takes some polishing before he shines so I still like people to see the original unedited script before passing on judgement.

[Proto]

It seems Type-Moon counter to Key's alliance with 07 Expansion was...


a 3 combo attack involving the aforementioned Mahou Tsukai no Yoru, a Tsukihime remake were the CG's will be done from scratch, and will finally include Satsuki as a proper heroin, and a completely new game called Girl's work in which Nasu (the main writer for Tsukihime and Fate/Stay night) won't participate.

source 1 (http://www.alafista.com/2008/04/19/type-moon-3-new-projects/)
source 2 (http://zepy.momotato.com/2008/04/18/too-much-type-moon-stuff/)

[Weils]

It's been more than a year since the last info trickled out.

Mahou Tsukai no Yoru will be released 2010. Source is from Type Moon Ace October 2009 issue.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7095/mahoyo.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/mahoyo.jpg/)

[MrTerrorist]

Finally some news. I can't wait to see a young Toko & Aoko.

[DragoZERO]

mmm... Young Aoko...

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6875/aoko1.th.png (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/aoko1.png/)http://thumbnails19.imagebam.com/11903/a37bc2119027044.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/a37bc2119027044)

[Seitsuki]

Took long enough for a release. And still no word on Tsukihime (sequel, remake or otherwise D: )

More Aoko is always welcome :3 (we haven't really had any illustrations of her since Tsukihime anyway)

[Nyat]

The game hasn't been released.

[Belgaesh]

I just one thing to say about this game; delays, delays and more delays, when I'm gonna get my Aoko.

[Nyat]

when I'm gonna get my Aoko.
NEVER! Nasu is evil. :naughty:

[DragoZERO]

What sucks is us English speakers would have to wait even longer for a TL patch. >.<

[Von Himmel]

At least there'll be a high possibility that it will be translated :heh: We just need to be patience ;)

[Seitsuki]

Mirrormoon should be picking this up. Probably one of the best TL groups out there.

Link (http://www.amiami.jp/shop/ProductInfo/product_id/170096) if you want to preorder (a release date would have been nice, but hey the fact you can preorder at all means it won't be a few more years ._. )

New Typemoon link (http://www.typemoon.com/products/mahoyo/)

(all in jp)

[DragoZERO]

Damn. And I thought $60 for new PS3/360 games was a lot.

(It's $100.59 regular, $79.99 pre-order sale).

[Seitsuki]

Well considering Typemoon's RRP on their site is 8400 yen for the standard edition, consider yourself lucky it's going for quite alot less on many sites (amiami, toranoana etc). In fact, it's pretty damn cheap for a high profile new VN release.

On another note, more Aoko <3

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/seitsuki/anime%20various/th_15151368.jpg (http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/seitsuki/anime%20various/?action=view&current=15151368.jpg)http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/4700/15385714p1.th.jpg (http://img607.imageshack.us/i/15385714p1.jpg/)http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2401/15385714p0.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/15385714p0.jpg/)

[DragoZERO]

Are video games in general more expensive in Japan? For example, does Final Fantasy sell for less once it's released in the US? Or are VNs just expensive?

[GundamAce]

Are video games in general more expensive in Japan? For example, does Final Fantasy sell for less once it's released in the US? Or are VNs just expensive?

It varies from game to game. For example, when I went to Japan last summer, I was able to get games like Utawarerumono and Chaos;Head at about 3000 yen (which is between $30 and 40 dollars). But some VNs there are really expensive. I tried getting a copy of Tsukibako while I was there, and it was about 12,000 yen, and when I bought I/O recently, it was at almost 9,000 (so I bought a used, much cheaper version.)

As for RPGs, no, from the ones I bought in Japan, they're about the same there as they are here.

[Seitsuki]

I'd say the price range can be extremely varied (who can forget that bin of FFXIII games for 500 yen all of a month after release :heh: ) but generally from what I've seen new release VNs geneally go for ~8/9k yen reg and 10/11k+ for limited ed. Give it some time and the price may rise or fall depending on availability and popularity.

[Belgaesh]

I really want to play this game, but:

1 - no voices
2 - Kinectic novel(no side rutes)
3 - The same price as a voiced visual novels

Remenber me if I forgot something.

[yakisobapan]

The release date changed from "Winter 2010" to "Released within 2011" on the website =_=

[Elvin]

Delays make make a sad panda :(

[DragoZERO]

The release date changed from "Winter 2010" to "Released within 2011" on the website =_=
This is like StarCraft 2. :heh:

[Seitsuki]

Not as bad as Tsukihime 2.

And thank the Goddess it ain't a Duke Nukem yet..

[hoarfrost]

What could honestly be pushing this back so much? It's not like it's anything but a glorified kinetic novel.

[the.Merines]

Nasu is adding more description to the story. Expect delays of 9-9999 months.

[yakisobapan]

The PV if you haven't seen it yet ^_^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoWakP_hG-o

[RRW]

interesting PV. but really shame...

people just wasting lot of time just to make interactive media with lot of pretty picture and awesome music for 3 year. yet they price it high

i guess this is comparable to movie industry in the west :P

/run away

[Seitsuki]

I don't believe they're unreasonably priced. Don't forget that this stuff takes a lot of time to make. The studio employees have to get paid, volume sales probably aren't as high as mainstream games, so that money has to come from somewhere.

Besides, how long has it been since the last TM project >_> (although they should be making a pretty penny from all their various licenses)

[RedKey]

For anyone who can read Italian, Gekkou ~ Chiaro di Luna ~ group just released a translation for the trial version of Mahoutsukai!
http://gekkou.netii.net/wordpress/

[DragoZERO]

That is awesome. If only I didn't forget all the Italian I learned in school, haha.

I hope Mirror Moon or someone is gearing up for this.

[Laith]

Someone translated the demo in English and inserted it, something that was puzzling everyone so you can try it, if you like.

Sojourou gardening skills are awesome. Also flying pigs and Mystic Eyes of Heart Attack.

Overall, all the graphics are like CGs, the music is a delight on the ears, it contains a lot of animation, is pretty good.

[Von Himmel]

I forgot how beautiful Nasu's writing was before playing this game..:heh:

Somehow I really like the fact that Aoko is a bit..well I don't know how to describe it well except for: girly. I thought every magician were weird and socially awkward, but I guess it's different with Aoko :( Considering she still read girl's magazine, having a guitar in her room and a member of student council, I guess she could adapt well with modern society :(

[Shadow5YA]

I forgot how beautiful Nasu's writing was before playing this game..:heh:

Somehow I really like the fact that Aoko is a bit..well I don't know how to describe it well except for: girly. I thought every magician were weird and socially awkward, but I guess it's different with Aoko :( Considering she still read girl's magazine, having a guitar in her room and a member of student council, I guess she could adapt well with modern society :(

Considering the Aoko we knew before this VN was dressed in a white t-shirt and jeans, I think she's just a very casual and informal person.

[Von Himmel]

Considering the Aoko we knew before this VN was dressed in a white t-shirt and jeans, I think she's just a very casual and informal person.
Ah yes, that's a better way to describe her :heh:

[deathcoy]

Sigh, think its about time type-moon moves on to a totally new theme/story...

I hate when devs keep dwelling and milking their already popular franchise, its makes the story look cheap and kills the good image it had before...

Making cheapskate offshoots... Worse still if they make prequels, always hated prequels, i think i speak for most when i say we all dont give a damn about the past and shiet...

[RedKey]

Sigh, think its about time type-moon moves on to a totally new theme/story...

i think i speak for most when i say we all dont give a damn about the past and shiet...

If you're talking about Fate/Zero, I'm actually greatly enjoying it.

As for Mahoutsukai, I think the artistic direction is simply outstanding, and the soundtrack is beautiful. Looking forward for the full game.

[Proto]

Ditto here, I love what they are doing right now.

[DragoZERO]

So everyone... does the demo spoil the game much? I read that it isn't the beginning of but bits and pieces.

Sigh, think its about time type-moon moves on to a totally new theme/story...

I hate when devs keep dwelling and milking their already popular franchise, its makes the story look cheap and kills the good image it had before...

Making cheapskate offshoots... Worse still if they make prequels, always hated prequels, i think i speak for most when i say we all dont give a damn about the past and shiet...If I recall correctly, this is a story Nasu wrote years ago, before Type-Moon was as popular as it is. Nasu is not George Lucas. And there is nothing wrong with making a game about a character you saw twice an old game.

[Forsaken_Infinity]

Sigh, think its about time type-moon moves on to a totally new theme/story...

I hate when devs keep dwelling and milking their already popular franchise, its makes the story look cheap and kills the good image it had before...

Making cheapskate offshoots... Worse still if they make prequels, always hated prequels, i think i speak for most when i say we all dont give a damn about the past and shiet...

You are speaking for yourself and only for yourself and heck I doubt you even understand the extent of what you are saying o_o.

Personally, I love fully fleshed out stories and prequels and such are all the craze for me. There is just something else about getting to know in full what actually perspired the current event and knowing well the history behind those awesome characters that otherwise would be limited to cameos.

Besides, you obviously don't know enough about Type moon if you think they are milking an already popular franchise. This was kind of already written. And anyway, just because the universe of a body of literature is linked up doesn't mean that it's the same franchise. And even if you consider this as a direct prequel to Tsukihime and thus part of the franchise, which it isn't really, nothing wrong with it.

I wonder if you dislike the Foundations series as well. You're missing out, that's about all I can tell you.

I actually severely dislike it when creativity dies and milking starts, but I fail to see why you'd accuse that any work that expands on an existing literature is bound to be nothing but an attempt at making cheap money. Because that simply needn't be true. Expansions create awesome as fuck universes.

[RedKey]

Website updated with new characters!
http://www.typemoon.com/products/mahoyo/index.html

[Von Himmel]

So I've heard that the game release date set ( http://www.typemoon.com , no further delay or something like that ) ... I couldn't open the site for some reasons because of my internet provider, but is it true?

[DragoZERO]

http://www.typemoon.com/products/mahoyo/index.html

4-12-12

And might I say, the music is quite good. Plus, supercell is doing the ED. Pure win there.

[Shadow5YA]

Hm... no Aozaki Touko on the character info list. I was hoping this VN would go into why the Aozaki sisters hate each other so much.

[Laith]

Err Touko appears

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/niranira/touko1.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/niranira/touko2.jpg

Also, we already know why the Aozaki hate each other.
Because Aoko was chosen by their grandfather as the heir one day. Touko, who was the one who would supposedly be the heir, got mad and killed him and left the family. IIRC anyway.

[DragoZERO]

I thought this game goes into the whole deal with the sisters and all?

[Leo_Otaku]

Can't wait :) I wonder how it will rank with past works.

[Shadow5YA]

Also, we already know why the Aozaki hate each other.
Because Aoko was chosen by their grandfather as the heir one day. Touko, who was the one who would supposedly be the heir, got mad and killed him and left the family. IIRC anyway.

It was never really elaborated upon, and considering the bias the sisters have, a full story can't really be trusted from them either.

[Xellos-_^]

Sigh, think its about time type-moon moves on to a totally new theme/story...

I hate when devs keep dwelling and milking their already popular franchise, its makes the story look cheap and kills the good image it had before...

Making cheapskate offshoots... Worse still if they make prequels, always hated prequels, i think i speak for most when i say we all dont give a damn about the past and shiet...
i like prequels

[RedKey]

i like prequels

ditto. As long as it has the same beautiful feel as the trial and dosn't contain hentai scenes, I'm satisfied.

[DragoZERO]

Quick question: is this game being released in English officially? My friend is telling me that it is and I disagree. The site is in Japanese and the trial was fan translated.

[RedKey]

As far as I know, it will be a Japanese-only release. Though we can expect it to be translated sooner or later.

[DragoZERO]

That's what I thought. Figured I'd ask anyway... he was pretty adamant about it. Thanks.

And I hope the translation patch doesn't take too long. I hope TakaJun and Mirror-Moon is doing it.

[Haak]

The translation for the demo was pretty quick so hopefully the translation for the whole game won't take more than a few months. I just played the demo, and it was fantastic. The art and the music really create a great atmosphere. The characters were colourful and quirky, with some chemistry, especially when Shizuki was clearing the garden (It seems to me like there's more to him than meets the eye). And it already sets up one interesting plot.

Can't wait for the game to be released.

[DragoZERO]

I didn't play the demo since I heard it jumps around and I don't want to be spoiled (I know, I have a problem) but depending on how big the game is, it may take a while. They have to photoshop menus and images plus there is the coding for the installation. It'll give me plenty of time to order it.

[Haak]

It didn't seem to me like the story jumped around. The demo was mostly everyday shenanigans and establishing the characters, with a fight scene at the end, but even that fight scene didn't really give anything in terms of plot. It felt like a proper first episode to me.

[EDIT]

Actually forget what I said. There is one development that seemed to have been skipped over and left me a little confused. I just thought nothing of it because I didn't know the demo skips about until now. I don't think it's that important of a development but I could be wrong so...

[Yuutsu]

It seemed to me that the demo consisted of randomly spliced-together chunks of scenes. Some had naturally found the previous, while others were obviously a few scenes ahead or possibly even behind.

If you notice the numbers preceding the each scene change, they were all over the place.

Edit: Oh wait, nvm...

[Mura]

A commercial for the game, April 12th is almost here.;)

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[DragoZERO]

Watched the first part of the demo on YouTube, the first 30 minutes of the demo. It was very good. The animations and sound effects were great and it was pretty funny too. Strange playing a third-person VN, but it's no big deal.

Also, because this is an all-ages game, I feel bad for the male character... Aoko is simply daaaaamnnn. Maybe he'll have some inferred action. :heh:

[kyouray]

dat Aoko :
http://i.imgur.com/YfXA5.jpg
So the game is finally released. CGs are already available online so be careful not to be spoiled.

[Shadow5YA]

Watched the first part of the demo on YouTube, the first 30 minutes of the demo. It was very good. The animations and sound effects were great and it was pretty funny too. Strange playing a third-person VN, but it's no big deal.

Also, because this is an all-ages game, I feel bad for the male character... Aoko is simply daaaaamnnn. Maybe he'll have some inferred action. :heh:

Maybe he won't. Aoko never acted like she had a man when she travelled around in Tsukihime and Melty Blood.

[Mura]

dat Aoko :
http://i.imgur.com/YfXA5.jpg
So the game is finally released. CGs are already available online so be careful not to be spoiled.

I don't really like to be spoiled too much so I probably won't look too hard for them. Is there any word that some group would try and translate this?

[hassam]

So, after 4 years worth of delays it is finally out.

[DragoZERO]

Ended up doing the whole trial. Good stuff. Can't wait for a full translation.

dat Aoko :
http://i.imgur.com/YfXA5.jpg
So the game is finally released. CGs are already available online so be careful not to be spoiled.Daaaammmnnn. :love:

Maybe he won't. Aoko never acted like she had a man when she travelled around in Tsukihime and Melty Blood.We never learned much about her in Tsukihime. Haven't played all of Melty Blood yet though. Anything can happen I think.

I don't really like to be spoiled too much so I probably won't look too hard for them. Is there any word that some group would try and translate this?Will have to wait and see how the potential translators like the game. Mirror Moon didn't like F/HA so they didn't do it. I am sure someone will... eventually. I'm not sure how big this game is but it'll take many months, I bet.

[Laith]

I think the same guy who did the demo is going to work on the complete game... IIRC anyway.

[DragoZERO]

He is a great translator, so that's good. I just wished he would use the terms that we are all familiar with and that are official... like Mystic Eyes instead of Arcane Eyes.

Edit: What would help is people thanking Cokesakto for the trial and saying you hope he does the whole game: http://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/mahoyo-in-english-in-the-actual-game/

[Von Himmel]

I thought he used Mystic Eyes for his demo translation..? :heh: Yeah, I hope he'll do the full game too. His translation is better than TakaJun IMO :heh:

[Arabesque]

I pre-ordered the game about 3 months ago when it looked like the date had been finalized (i.e. there was a good chance there wouldn't be anymore delays) from Amiami. Unfortunately, due to it being my first time ordering from there, I ended up making it a combined monthly order so yeah ...:eyespin:

In any case, I decided to watch some of the CM's for the game (I had chosen not to play the demo since I want to walk in completely blind) and I honestly can't wait till it arrives. Of course there is going to be an even longer wait for a translation but hey :heh: dat Aoko :
http://i.imgur.com/YfXA5.jpg
So the game is finally released. CGs are already available online so be careful not to be spoiled.Well, damn ...

I sure hope I still get that Artbook :heh:

[kyouray]

I quickly checked CG thumbnails.
The size of the picture is misleading : it's actually a CG from the game so we have this kind of scene :D

[Sheba]

I pre-ordered the game about 3 months ago when it looked like the date had been finalized (i.e. there was a good chance there wouldn't be anymore delays) from Amiami. Unfortunately, due to it being my first time ordering from there, I ended up making it a combined monthly order so yeah ...:eyespin:



I also just have ordered the game + artbook from AmiAmi, seeing that it is not sold out in amiami, yet. I have decided to combine it with my two other orders of the month (figurines of Komachi and Patchouli from Touhou) to lessen the cumulated customs fees (I have found out in January that three orders in the same month, delivered at three different dates ended up to be heavier on my walled than one single combined order). I can deal with the wait, thanks to work and afternoons spent on Civilization.

I have considered to obtain the game and the CG pack from less legal sources. However, seeing that I have a work and that I can afford it, I have decided to be a good boy and purchase it. This will be my first VN obtained legally ever.

[DragoZERO]

If I had pre-ordered from AmiAmi (which I just found out is in English :eek:) I would have gotten an art book!?

I have considered to obtain the game and the CG pack from less legal sources. However, seeing that I have a work and that I can afford it, I have decided to be a good boy and purchase it. This will be my first VN obtained legally ever.Get yourself F/SN and F/HA! It feels good to buy it legit. I have Devil on G-string too.

EDIT: Just placed my order. Dang... can't believe I missed out.

[Sheba]

If I had pre-ordered from AmiAmi (which I just found out is in English :eek:) I would have gotten an art book!?



According to the details here (http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/review?scode=TVG-PC-0188&page=top)



Genre: Visual novel

First Release ver. Includes:
Setting Book: Magic User's Basic Rhythm (http://www.maxconsole.com/maxcon_forums/showthread.php?186997-100-page-art-book-announced-for-Mahou-Tsukai-no-Yoru)



You can pump your fist into the air.

That will be my second Type/Moon artbook. My first one having been Tsukihime Plus Period (iirc the title right), it had Tsukihime art and some of Kara no Kyoukai, which I had no idea what it was when I have purchased it (in 2005).

[DragoZERO]

Yes! Awesome. :D

I have one for the UBW movie... but it don't count, lol.

I am going to try and get the Fate Material books... I think it's going to be hard though.

[RRW]

How long is this "game" by the way?

[winkel]

Long time Typemoon fan here, having the actual Tsukibako as my first ever encounter with the Nasuverse, and loved it ever since.

But I have to ask all of you, how can you guys so easily buy this game?

It's a thought that has been on my mind since the game was detailed, through the numerous delays, and even now, I've been wavering back and forth.

But essentially my issue is Typemoon is asking me, the user, to pay, in the year 2012, $82.32USD for a "game" that contains:

-Only one single route
-No choices
-No voices
-Only 15 hours
-No H-scenes

They're asking full price for essentially a Kinect Novel-style game. And they know full well fans will pay for it just because they are Typemoon.

Does that not bother anyone? Does anyone not care that a game released in this age is yet so behind the standards of even the lowest of the low tier games on the market today?

At this point, I can't. And that is why I chose not to buy this game. To show to Typemoon that not all of their devoted fans are mindless consumers.

If Mahou Tsukai no Yoru was a novelization a la Kara no Kyoukai, I would even be more happy. Because at least it would be sensible in what it offers and asks.

And with the signs that Typemoon has also quietly brushed the Tsukihime remake under the rug, my faith in the company is honestly at an all time low.


:sigh:

[Elvin]

IT's because there's little doubt in people's minds that it'll still be better than 90% of the games in the market.

[Meltyred]

You mean no Sacchin route?
Forever?

[Endscape]

Have you seen the sprites from Mahoyo? They're absolutely breathtaking. That, plus all this anticipation, means I really, really wouldn't grudge Type-Moon my money for this game, no matter how short, unvoiced, etc it is.

[Mura]

So I was wondering if we could get some spoilers from the game from those that are playing it.:heh:

[Archer]

Actually, I only bought it to fuel Nasu's Dark Souls addiction.

[Elvin]

You mean no Sacchin route?
Forever?

They haven't officially dumped it, they just haven't said anything about it for a long, long while.
Which is pretty standard for TM

[DragoZERO]

Long time Typemoon fan here, having the actual Tsukibako as my first ever encounter with the Nasuverse, and loved it ever since.

But I have to ask all of you, how can you guys so easily buy this game?

It's a thought that has been on my mind since the game was detailed, through the numerous delays, and even now, I've been wavering back and forth.

But essentially my issue is Typemoon is asking me, the user, to pay, in the year 2012, $82.32USD for a "game" that contains:

-Only one single route
-No choices
-No voices
-Only 15 hours
-No H-scenes

They're asking full price for essentially a Kinect Novel-style game. And they know full well fans will pay for it just because they are Typemoon.

Does that not bother anyone? Does anyone not care that a game released in this age is yet so behind the standards of even the lowest of the low tier games on the market today?

At this point, I can't. And that is why I chose not to buy this game. To show to Typemoon that not all of their devoted fans are mindless consumers.

If Mahou Tsukai no Yoru was a novelization a la Kara no Kyoukai, I would even be more happy. Because at least it would be sensible in what it offers and asks.

And with the signs that Typemoon has also quietly brushed the Tsukihime remake under the rug, my faith in the company is honestly at an all time low.


:sigh:Faith my friend, faith. I have loved everything Type-Moon and I have no doubt that I will love this. I have F/SN and F/HA (TL over 75% done! lol) and I would love to own Tsukibako too. I do wish we had more routes but it'll still be a fun game and the trial was sweet. The SFX, graphics and art are great. H-scenes don't make a big difference since all you can do is laugh at Nasu's attempt at it. Is disappointing not to see Aoko in more "interesting" ways but that's what doujins are for, lol.

They haven't officially dumped it, they just haven't said anything about it for a long, long while.
Which is pretty standard for TMNeed to pray for ufotable to do a Tsukihime anime. That'd get Type-Moon working on it!

[Arabesque]

I quickly checked CG thumbnails.
The size of the picture is misleading : it's actually a CG from the game so we have this kind of scene :D._.

Game fucking where?
I also just have ordered the game + artbook from AmiAmi, seeing that it is not sold out in amiami, yet. I have decided to combine it with my two other orders of the month (figurines of Komachi and Patchouli from Touhou) to lessen the cumulated customs fees (I have found out in January that three orders in the same month, delivered at three different dates ended up to be heavier on my walled than one single combined order). Haha, yes, I found that out at a much earlier date as well ... there was much bitter tears during that day ...

I'm actually surprised that Amiami seems to have put it back on, since every time I checked before it always said sold out (unless they had restocked, which is possible I suppose). In any case I hope that they ship the game with the art book.

These days, I also try and limit where I get my stuff through the less legal route as well, especially when it comes to anime with streaming being more and more encompassing of titles. That said, I never pirated a game since the PS2 days, and since I was interested in this title, it was a given I'd get it. Also helps that I also started having more money for my hobbies (when it's not being given away to customs :cries: )
If I had pre-ordered from AmiAmi (which I just found out is in English :eek:) I would have gotten an art book!?I think Sheba had answered this, but just in case anyone else is wondering, all first editions of the game come with the 100 page Art book (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/03/12/mahou-tsukai-no-yoru-first-edition-comes-with-100-page-art-book/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Silicone ra%29&utm_content=Google+Reader), so if for some reason you don't want to order it from Amiami but from somewhere else, you don't need to worry. Well, other than it's already 3 days past release day so ... :heh:

How long is this "game" by the way?Going by What Nasu had said a year (http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/rebirth-of-the-origin.html) ago, about the same as the Fate route in Fate/Stay Night, so around 18 hours if you read it normally. When you factor in the jaw dropping and your heart condition after the novels more extreme heart wrenching scenes, about a day I suppose?

True, if the story is told using Koyama-san's beautiful images, then I'm sure I'll be dazzled. And it seems like there is a lot of depth to the story, too. How long would you say it is?

Koyama: I think it'd be easiest to describe it as the same length as Saber's story in Fate. In terms of hours, I think it will last about 18 if every sentence is read at a normal speed.

Nasu: I think Fate is like reading a 15-volume manga all at once. Mahou Tsukai no Yoru is more like watching a two-hour movie. I'm not talking about actual length here, but the overall feeling. Compared to Fate's "Conquering the entire restaurant menu" feeling, Mahou Tsukai no Yoru is more like "thoroughly enjoying a meal prepared from rigorously selected ingredients."

Koyama: I feel like this has gotten a little too metaphoric (LOL). Anyway, I know everyone's going to be really excited to find out what happens, but I want to encourage people to really take their time and enjoy without rushing things.

Nasu: The story is split into chapters, and they all end at good stopping points before switching over to the next one. If you keep your eye on where the chapters end, I think you can play at a good pace.

Now then, I think it is important to answer winkel's question and address his concerns, but before that I need to make something clear to you.

First off, let me say that on some level, I agree not only with your concerns, but also with your stance. I am no Typemoon or Tsukihime fan, but I can sympathize with you since I know how hard and difficult it is to see a company neglect a propriety you like for years and years, only to work on other things or constantly delay releases and information while they are milking the same old games ... believe me, I don't want to support this sort of behavior, and I don't look favorably on TM for not at least introducing something new in their mainstream line up for such a long time.

With that said ...
I have to ask all of you, how can you guys so easily buy this game?

It's a thought that has been on my mind since the game was detailed, through the numerous delays, and even now, I've been wavering back and forth.

But essentially my issue is Typemoon is asking me, the user, to pay, in the year 2012, $82.32USD for a "game" that contains:

-Only one single route
-No choices
-No voices
-Only 15 hours
-No H-scenes

They're asking full price for essentially a Kinect Novel-style game. And they know full well fans will pay for it just because they are Typemoon.

Does that not bother anyone? Does anyone not care that a game released in this age is yet so behind the standards of even the lowest of the low tier games on the market today?

At this point, I can't. And that is why I chose not to buy this game. To show to Typemoon that not all of their devoted fans are mindless consumers.

If Mahou Tsukai no Yoru was a novelization a la Kara no Kyoukai, I would even be more happy. Because at least it would be sensible in what it offers and asks.

And with the signs that Typemoon has also quietly brushed the Tsukihime remake under the rug, my faith in the company is honestly at an all time low.

:sigh:
I assure you, I'm not getting this game on a whim, nor was it easy for me to just place that order on a store I know nothing about but assurance from a few collectors I know. This game costs a hefty price, and without even an OST with it, I wouldn't even have given it a second look (seriously, for a game that is about £60, it would have better came with something more than just an Art book) and also, I wouldn't classify myself as a TM fan (I liked some of the Fate series and KnK, but otherwise my reception of their work had been lukewarm) but I still placed the order 3 months ago, and I'm now waiting for the game anxiously. Why is that?

It's because the very points you listed as weaknesses I consider as strengths, because this is the first new canon work in ages in the Type Moon-verse, and because on an aesthetic level, it clicks with me.

You say that a single route is a step back from the multi-heroine route, I say it's a step forward. You are free to disagree with me, but I honestly feel like there is more room for better story telling when the story's focus is within a single route as opposed to a chose which girl you want to bang to follow that story type of deal. I don't want to dismiss the multi-route stories, since I believe there is some value in them, but as far as preferences go, single route is for me.

The lack of choices and voices works fine for me, since then I can focus more on the actual quality of the story and the usage of the audio and visuals to convey what is going on with the story.

Only 15(18) hours? Length to me isn't really that important as long as the story within that time frame is well done and makes the best usage of it's time to the fullest.

As for no H-scenes ... look, putting aside my personal policy of not owning porn, I want to point out that not would not get this game had it had any H-scenes in it, but I also probably couldn't have gotten this game, looking at how anal the UK Customs can be about it, so for fear of making a scene over nothing, I would have passed on it.

(I actually talked this over with someone here over in London sometime ago when the images of the Fate/Zero manga first showed up with the guro scenes and Sakura's ... um ... the man in question pointed out that he probably wouldn't be able to import any of the manga since he would be scared it would be pegged down as ''indecent and obscene'' material, and told me that was one of the reasons he stopped being a Jinki fan as well, since the more and more he had gotten to see the art books and manag volumes, the more and more he had gotten worried over bringing it here. The discussion turned into one about what problems anime collectors might have regarding importing shows, but that's a different topic)

Does it bother me that some will be paying for this game just because it's made by Type-Moon? Not really, though I suppose some part of me is worried over how loyal their fanbase had become, but personally, I'm more interested in the game itself, and from what I've seen, it's looking really good to me.

[winkel]

They haven't officially dumped it, they just haven't said anything about it for a long, long while.
It's not even mentioned anywhere on their own page anymore. At least both of the other works, Girl's and Mahou no Yoru have pages and banners up. Tsukihime remake page acts like it never existed, and it's hasn't ever been mentioned of again since the "reveal."

It's because the very points you listed as weaknesses I consider as strengths, because this is the first new canon work in ages in the Type Moon-verse, and because on an aesthetic level, it clicks with me.

You say that a single route is a step back from the multi-heroine route, I say it's a step forward. You are free to disagree with me, but I honestly feel like there is more room for better story telling when the story's focus is within a single route as opposed to a chose which girl you want to bang to follow that story type of deal. I don't want to dismiss the multi-route stories, since I believe there is some value in them, but as far as preferences go, single route is for me.

The lack of choices and voices works fine for me, since then I can focus more on the actual quality of the story and the usage of the audio and visuals to convey what is going on with the story.

Only 15(18) hours? Length to me isn't really that important as long as the story within that time frame is well done and makes the best usage of it's time to the fullest.

As for no H-scenes ... look, putting aside my personal policy of not owning porn, I want to point out that not would not get this game had it had any H-scenes in it, but I also probably couldn't have gotten this game, looking at how anal the UK Customs can be about it, so for fear of making a scene over nothing, I would have passed on it.
Interesting perspective, appreciate it.

But I have to say, I would consider that in the minority, as opposed to the general public, and veterans of Typemoon. The only reason I could think as to why Typemoon could honestly ended up choosing to make such a game (without being a cynic and calling them out on the fact that they are just trying to cash in with as little effort as possible, seeing as the main story for Mahou no Yoru existed long before and everything else is an effort to pretty up the story with as little cost as possible to allow the rabid fans to devour) is because they are trying to appeal to the mainstream. Shorter, no 18+ rating to turn away audiences, no complicated routes, "mainstream" pop supercell songs, and the like. And honestly, it may work, it may not. We'll see.

But the suggestion that Typemoon is trying to branch out of their audience without giving any true concern to the people who made them who they are today is what disappoints me the most. All those things you find positive are things that are either not standard of Typemoon or not standard to the genre conventions. It's not about "bucking the trend" either: making a product in this genre, one has certain expectations to hold up to. Because they are Typemoon, they are clearly going to get away with it, but if this was some lesser studio, it would have never flown. Kudos to them if it works out for them, as I am but a single fan, but even so I want to make myself heard, even if it is a tiny cry in a sea of roars.

[Klashikari]

I'm particularly worried due to a good chunk of comments on 2ch, stating that the game is actually worth 8 hours of reading, and it is quite... "chuuni".
Will probably check it myself, but so far, the demo didn't completely convinced me, so gonna my expectations low, considering the circumstances for Mahoyo.

[bahamut zero]

I'm particularly worried due to a good chunk of comments on 2ch, stating that the game is actually worth 8 hours of reading, and it is quite... "chuuni".


What's chuuni?

[Klashikari]

Chuuni comes from 中二病 (Chuunibyou), literally illness of second middle school year. It is a derogative japanese term for teenagers who act like adults who know everything or pretends having super powers/achieving great feats and the like. By extention, it can be applied to adults who have such delusional behaviour (Okarin in S;G and Kuroneko from Oreimo can be considered Chuuni).
In layman terms, it is basically someone acting immature, using artificial means to look interesting/cool (acting like a yankee while they are just scrub, trying to act "unique" with questionable fashion sense/music taste etc).

It is also used for stories which are basically like "what fanfiction of a teenager would go", so basically some flashy shounen-ish crap and the likes.

[Balzac]

My friend (who's already done with the archives whatever that is) tells me it's something to do with action scenes that bear a ton of reflection afterward? Like pages of text spent on analyzing why this or that was countered or the effects of this or that attack all in the space of one ingame second. Or something.

I dunno how to type out and interpret what she said over the phone :heh: Overall she says it's got the same atmosphere as nasu's previous works, and she "likes Soujurou's and Aoko's interactions, kind of a new spin on a Shirou/Rin dynamic". And that it is an easy read, save for some particular kanji. And the system is "gorgeous, almost a new type of visual novel unto itself with unique presentation".

[RRW]

Chuuni comes from 中二病 (Chuunibyou), literally illness of second middle school year. It is a derogative japanese term for teenagers who act like adults who know everything or pretends having super powers/achieving great feats and the like. By extention, it can be applied to adults who have such delusional behaviour (Okarin in S;G and Kuroneko from Oreimo can be considered Chuuni).
In layman terms, it is basically someone acting immature, using artificial means to look interesting/cool (acting like a yankee while they are just scrub, trying to act "unique" with questionable fashion sense/music taste etc).

It is also used for stories which are basically like "what fanfiction of a teenager would go", so basically some flashy shounen-ish crap and the likes.

so something like eccentric?

[DragoZERO]

so something like eccentric?
I think "wannabe" is the closest thing in English to it.

[Soviet]

The Japanese are tearing Mahoyo apart, seems like this turned out to be complete shit as expected. 8 hours long, mostly filled with mind-numbingly boring slice-of-life and terrible writing ("killing is wrong mmmkay").

[Von Himmel]

^
My friend who's been on the same thread that it doesn't reflect the general thoughts of the game. He said that there's only one person who said it like that. :heh: It's like gamefaqs when there are haters everywhere in all kinds of games whether it's good or bad w

Anyway, it's a work that was created by Nasu when he/she haven't even got to college(?) yet and his/her first work. I think I would understand if the work itself isn't perfect like what we hoped too...but reading the demo, I don't think that it's that bad. :(

[Sheba]

so something like eccentric?

The closest thing in western media would be those times in Dawson's Creek that made you think, "The hell? Would a teenager really say that?"

[DragoZERO]

Mine is shipping now... 2,400 for shipping, lol.

I am surprised that so many people don't like it. Makes me wonder if they were expecting too much. We knew it was one routI can't see it being 8 hours of play since the demo was like 2 but I'm sure it's still fun.

[Balzac]

Holy crap, my friend just streamed me the joke route and I must say that was a unique kind of funny. Even if I didn't know most of the characters, I still had coffee splatter moments on my keyboard throughout. :D Though the ending didn't make a lot of sense, all things considered.

The system's just so advanced, so goshdarned purty, I wonder how much development money this company spent on the game..

[Key Board]

Chuuni comes from 中二病 (Chuunibyou), literally illness of second middle school year. It is a derogative japanese term for teenagers who act like adults who know everything or pretends having super powers/achieving great feats and the like. By extention, it can be applied to adults who have such delusional behaviour (Okarin in S;G and Kuroneko from Oreimo can be considered Chuuni).
In layman terms, it is basically someone acting immature, using artificial means to look interesting/cool (acting like a yankee while they are just scrub, trying to act "unique" with questionable fashion sense/music taste etc).

It is also used for stories which are basically like "what fanfiction of a teenager would go", so basically some flashy shounen-ish crap and the likes.

To be fair, this story is one of Nasu's earliest concepts. He thought about it during his middle school years as such it does not have the refinement of his later works.

I kept all my earlier drafts of things I thought up in 10th grade to high school. Upon re-examining some were god darn awful. What was I thinking? xd

I think they also let him run wild and unsupervised this time. And uhh. that's usually not good.

[DragoZERO]

Just got mine. It's sweet. The art book is nice. Aoko is a total babe... damn.

Can't wait for the translation patch... it's going to be a while unfortunately. :(

[Arabesque]

Well, I got mine as well

http://i.imgur.com/zMT5hl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Qxsqfl.jpg
Also, penguins!
http://i.imgur.com/YuAjOl.jpg?1Nice looking packaging and Amiami is really reliable. Will be shopping with them again in the future.

Have to say though, really disappointed with the extras. Or rather the lack of extras. I was really bothered about the lack of an OST with the first release (have all preorders include the OST with them, and then release it separately instead of just making everyone have to buy it) but I could have gotten past that had they at least included something more with it. The artbook is nice and all even if it's paperback (Really? ...), but without even a special booklet or CD, I don't really know what incentive would a non-Type-Moon fan have to pre-order this.

*sigh* well, no matter. Hopefully the game is better. Now all what I have to do is wait for a translation ...

[Laith]

Talking about translation:

Check this. (http://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/knk-on-epub-and-some-news-on-mahoyo/)

[Arabesque]

Yeah, that's the guy who I heard had translated the preview. Still is going to be a while :p

But at least we have someone for sure who will translate the game. Thanks for the info :)

[Mura]

Glad he will be using the fanbase terms as well.

[DragoZERO]

Glad he will be using the fanbase terms as well.
Me too. Some of them are official too, like Mystic Eyes.

[RRW]

how is the music by the way?

[Von Himmel]

^
Some are pretty good (FIVE, imbalance, etc) and some are just loud. The first time I've listened to it, I feel it's pretty much that they've created Aoko-like musics for the OST :heh: Oh, and that hoshi ga matataku konna yoru ni ~game ver~ is pretty awesome.

[Arabesque]

http://i.imgur.com/fdCOFl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nBjpUs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/nBjpU.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/aJ9dis.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/aJ9di.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/fg3FCs.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/fg3FC.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/1Bf1As.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/1Bf1A.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/Ji6n0s.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/BtpHe.jpg)

There is also a booklet. Might post some pictures later

*goes to listen*

[Twi]

Witch on a Holy night stars Aoko, right?

If anyone has played it:

Is it true that her sister is the main antagonist, and the ordinary guy managed to pull a One-hit KO on Beowolf?

[cranston]

The system's just so advanced, so goshdarned purty, I wonder how much development money this company spent on the game..
I haven't been following this game's news and developments, so could someone please shed some light on what makes the system different from others?

[DragoZERO]

I don't think the "system" is different. They just have better effects, like panning and higher resolution.

And I feel obligated to add that I can't wait for the translation, lol.

[Reckoner]

Seeing all the great songs uploaded from youtube like:

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and

fCQIwPdAXco&feature=related

have got me ultra hyped for this. I hope the english translation comes out asap. Looks amazing.

[ArchmageXin]

Well this is interesting. It look like the patch is already 20% done? O_O

http://commiesubs.com/mahoyo/

[Mura]

Wow, didn't expect commie of all groups to do this.

[DragoZERO]

That is unexpected. Let's just hope they do a good job. They made themselves out to be total jerks in the post, so yeah.

[Mura]

Thats how the guys at commie are, after a while you just let it roll off your back. They do put in a lot of work so I give them credit for that though.

[Mura]

So commie has 67.99% translated, though I hear the translator is busy with school so that may slow things up. Appreciate that they've gotten this far though.

[DragoZERO]

That is good news. I wish they'd finish because the more time passes the more unlikely it will be that I will have time to play it. Selfish, I know. :heh:

[Mura]

I'm in the same boat, things look very busy for me in the coming months.;)

Well, I hope I can make time for it when its fully done.