View Full Version : Macross - Mecha, Weapons, and Technology
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-03, 19:18
That is also one of their purpose, and the purpose of the NUNS military. Macross 7 for example, brought in an entire fleet of 200,000+ ships in a TV special...
- Tak
Macross 7 is rather unique in that one. Even UN Spacy HQ thought negotiation was hopeless.
To date there hasn't been another fleet encounter, with exception to Chlore fleet, or Bodolle main fleet encounter since 2010. Oh a repaired Bodolle ship used by Zentradi rebels in 2047 to invade Earth but that doesn't count. Newly developed Song Energy technology imported from Macross 7 made it possible for the Milky Doll idol group to make a Minmay Attack.
Though there is an indication that planet based wild Zentradi are absorbed into NUN society with Veffidas being recently "cultured".
Since Earth is still populated (just how much is repopulated is a question in its own right), one wonders how many Macross colonies are out there, with how many people on them and their escorting fleets...plus other fleets of Humans. Then add in the Cultured Zentrati to this for a total Human Culture population.
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-03, 20:19
Since Earth is still populated (just how much is repopulated is a question in its own right), one wonders how many Macross colonies are out there, with how many people on them and their escorting fleets...plus other fleets of Humans. Then add in the Cultured Zentrati to this for a total Human Culture population.
As for colonies there are planets and there are space based colonies. Already in the SDF Macross era they had some as well the moon colony.
Macross M3 has Max and Millia quell both Human and Zentradi insurrections among colonies in their career as pilots of Dancing Skull Squadron.
Macross Plus has a list of wars and conflicts Isamu has been in. The guy is walking trouble magnet. Eden is probably the most developed colony there is.
Macross 7 has the Varauta colony and expedition taken by the Protodevlin. Macross 5 citizens on Rax were taken as well. There is also that backwater mining colony Emillia is on.
Macross VF-X has the failed colony of Elysium where rebel Zentradi took hostages.
Macross VF-X2 has operations on several colonies.
That is a lot of population growth after just 50 years. Also a lot of colonial development...that is barely a generation for even for some of them and two at best for the oldest ones. Especially after a massive depopulation...on the order of nearly 7 billion humans dead.
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-03, 22:17
Yeah well they cheated with cloning.
It isn't just the population growth, it is the expansion of communities and colonies. Things that really do take time normally. Collecting resources to build all these ships. They built a lot of ships in addition to all those they got from the cultured Zentrati. They do have a factory, but they need materials still.
But mainly the building of civilization/infrustuture more than the ships.
It isn't just the population growth, it is the expansion of communities and colonies. Things that really do take time normally. Collecting resources to build all these ships. They built a lot of ships in addition to all those they got from the cultured Zentrati. They do have a factory, but they need materials still.
But mainly the building of civilization/infrustuture more than the ships.
As Reddy mentioned earlier, they cheated by cloning. Moreover, the NUNS also consist of 3 primary races, the Humans, Zentradi and Zolans.
As for factory, humanity begin manufacturing smaller versions of the factory satellite on their own. Each colonial fleet is equipped with at least one factory plant.
- Tak
ChronoReverse
2011-11-04, 00:55
Manufacturing in the Macross universe is pretty incredible. Even the Macross 7 fleet is capable of building another Battle-class ship on their own. Now imagine what they could do with the giant factories.
Cloning doesn't make societies, it just makes people. People with less than a million people to act as "parents" or an older generation to help build that society. Getting the shops working, getting the infrustructure, the schools, all that stuff we sort of take for granted. It is all built up over time. That was all practically wiped off the face of the Earth. All they have left, basically, is Macross City as a fountation to work off of. There is nothing else left in terms of society. The Zentrati certainly had nothing of the sort before being "cultured".
Yet their are millions or even billions of humans spread all over the galaxy is seemingly perfectly fuctional societies within a generation (Macross 7 and Macross Plus) or two (Macross Frontier). Doesn't that seem strange?
Unless I'm misunderstanding how they make clones.
Except when you combine the already incredible manufacturing capabilities of the Macrossverse, with cloning able to manufacture even more people, then it would be possible to seed the galaxy as they have done. Keep in mind that a complete functioning satellite factory was also captured by humanity in the original SDF, while forty of those factories are able to support an entire fleet of 5 million ships + 1 battle station.
As for cloning, maybe implanting a mindset was included in the process.
- Tak
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-04, 03:56
As Reddy mentioned earlier, they cheated by cloning. Moreover, the NUNS also consist of 3 primary races, the Humans, Zentradi and Zolans.
As for factory, humanity begin manufacturing smaller versions of the factory satellite on their own. Each colonial fleet is equipped with at least one factory plant.
- Tak
Not to mention the NUNG stole as per Macross Chronicle, 20 Factory Satellites.
Yot-chan
2011-11-04, 05:07
Cloning doesn't make societies, it just makes people. People with less than a million people to act as "parents" or an older generation to help build that society. Getting the shops working, getting the infrustructure, the schools, all that stuff we sort of take for granted. It is all built up over time. That was all practically wiped off the face of the Earth. All they have left, basically, is Macross City as a fountation to work off of. There is nothing else left in terms of society. The Zentrati certainly had nothing of the sort before being "cultured".
Yet their are millions or even billions of humans spread all over the galaxy is seemingly perfectly fuctional societies within a generation (Macross 7 and Macross Plus) or two (Macross Frontier). Doesn't that seem strange?
Unless I'm misunderstanding how they make clones.
It doesn't make much sense, does it? You just have to accept the handwavium, or not.
Its really not that hard to believe, considering we have a real life example with China, which went from 400 million to 1.3 billion in the span of half century...
- Tak
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-04, 11:00
As for cloning, maybe implanting a mindset was included in the process.
- Tak
The implication is that certain qualified persons are chosen to be cloned for emigration fleets as early as Megaroad 1. We've seen this with Macross Frontier with Howard Glass' cabbie brother and Leon's clothes vendor brother. Also General Perry having a twin on his own bridge.:uhoh:
Macross Plus has Marge Gueldoa who looks like and sounds Maximillian Jenius. If only insane.
There is also some speculation that Aegis Focker is a clone of Roy Focker.
Though on Earth it seems they've stopped cloning. Something about children having diseases.
Though on Earth it seems they've stopped cloning. Something about children having diseases.
LOL, yeah. This was mentioned quite early on in the official timeline. After all, you can't get much of a combination with less than 100,000 humans, unless you would include the gazillions of Zentradi 'friends' in orbit. Something tells me, there is no pure-bred humans anymore, some might have been sliced & diced with Zentran genes, or Zolans, for that matter.
- Tak
Yot-chan
2011-11-04, 11:56
LOL, yeah. This was mentioned quite early on in the official timeline. After all, you can't get much of a combination with less than 100,000 humans, unless you would include the gazillions of Zentradi 'friends' in orbit. Something tells me, there is no pure-bred humans anymore, some might have been sliced & diced with Zentran genes, or Zolans, for that matter.
- Tak
Which is something I always found odd, considering that Dynamite 7 points out (in the "Zomeo and Zoliet" radio drama) that humans and Zolans can't procreate...
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-04, 11:58
A million survived among various places. The Macross, Grand Cannons, the Moon and space colonies at L5.
Though as Macross Plus and Macross Frontier has shown there is still prejudices on Zentradi. Though in Howard Glass' case its a political faux pas if the public gets a wind of it. On Guld it is whether being a natural born Zentradi affects his emotions to be aggressive.
General Gomez of Macross Plus on the other hand is so pro Human-Zentradi alliance that he sought to eliminate the need for manned fighters with the X-9 Ghost.
Which is something I always found odd, considering that Dynamite 7 points out (in the "Zomeo and Zoliet" radio drama) that humans and Zolans can't procreate...
Normally a primate and a marsupial can't make kids. But hey it could be a in-universe did not do research.
Michael Blanc in Macross Frontier is somewhat a mongrel having descended from the three known Protoculture created races.
If Rax ruins are to go by the Protoculture intended their "children" to be able to make out and make babies.
Which is something I always found odd, considering that Dynamite 7 points out (in the "Zomeo and Zoliet" radio drama) that humans and Zolans can't procreate...
Yeah, that struck me as odd too. Then again, with genetic engineering, who knows?
Besides, inability to make babies didn't stop Klan from hitting Mikey, which always came across to me as a giant mating a mice... but whatever makes them happy.
- Tak
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-04, 13:17
Yeah, that struck me as odd too. Then again, with genetic engineering, who knows?
Besides, inability to make babies didn't stop Klan from hitting Mikey, which always came across to me as a giant mating a mice... but whatever makes them happy.
- Tak
There's always the option of Michael growing Zentradi size. Graham, a Zolan, made himself bigger. Unless there is some complication.
The problem with dating loli Klan is that cops first reaction would be Michael is a pedophile.
The problem with dating loli Klan is that cops first reaction would be Michael is a pedophile.
Klan (to cops after being halted): I just look young, ok!? What, you jealous!!?? :mad:
- Tak (For some odd reason, loli-Klan reminds me of Ryo-Ohki...)
magnuskn
2011-11-04, 13:40
There's always the option of Michael growing Zentradi size. Graham, a Zolan, made himself bigger. Unless there is some complication.
The problem with dating loli Klan is that cops first reaction would be Michael is a pedophile.
Apparently there was some genetic complication to macronizing Michael, at least I remember someone mentioning that here who has better access to Japanese source materials than I do. And, yeah, I realize how incredibly contrived it is that both Michael and Klan cannot take the opposite form, just in reverse order.
It would be funny if Michael looked like a Zentradi sized eleven year old to Klan's full sized hotness.
It would be funny if Michael looked like a Zentradi sized eleven year old to Klan's full sized hotness.
Thats actually a stable in a majority of doujin works by a variety of authors...
- Tak
Yot-chan
2011-11-05, 06:32
Apparently there was some genetic complication to macronizing Michael, at least I remember someone mentioning that here who has better access to Japanese source materials than I do. And, yeah, I realize how incredibly contrived it is that both Michael and Klan cannot take the opposite form, just in reverse order.
I *think* it was in the "Official Fan Book," in the section where Yoshino answers questions about Frontier...
I'll check tonight and get back to you on it.
magnuskn
2011-11-05, 07:23
I *think* it was in the "Official Fan Book," in the section where Yoshino answers questions about Frontier...
I'll check tonight and get back to you on it.
Thanks! :)
Yot-chan
2011-11-05, 08:11
Thanks! :)
Nope, not there. Which means it was either in Macross Chronicle or 2059: Memories...both of which are packed up in my Mom's attic back home. Sorry.
magnuskn
2011-11-05, 08:20
Nope, not there. Which means it was either in Macross Chronicle or 2059: Memories...both of which are packed up in my Mom's attic back home. Sorry.
np, it will come to light sooner or later. If anybody still remembers that the question even came up. :p
karice67
2011-11-05, 08:49
There is something in the fanbook, on page 80. Something about "Michel has Zolan blood. But just having the blood of (other races) doesn't mean that one can Zentradise. So you can assume that Michel can't Zentradise either."
But it doesn't actually credit this explanation to anyone...
Which is weird considering Max, IIRC? (I still haven't watched DYRL again - last time being about 10 years ago...)
The light novels touch on the various issues about why someone might not be able to Zentradise/micronise (e.g. after a few times going through the process, they get stuck in the Zentran size; or their blood/genetics are too 'weak' for it...or ST like that), but it's been a while, so I don't really remember...
Yot-chan
2011-11-05, 09:03
There is something in the fanbook, on page 80. Something about "Michel has Zolan blood. But just having the blood of (other races) doesn't mean that one can Zentradise. So you can assume that Michel can't Zentradise either."
But it doesn't actually credit this explanation to anyone...
Which is weird considering Max, IIRC? (I still haven't watched DYRL again - last time being about 10 years ago...)
The light novels touch on the various issues about why someone might not be able to Zentradise/micronise (e.g. after a few times going through the process, they get stuck in the Zentran size; or their blood/genetics are too 'weak' for it...or ST like that), but it's been a while, so I don't really remember...
The latter explanation is the one I was thinking of, but I can't remember where I found it.
Did they every attempt to explain which scale is considered "normal" in Macross? Human or Zentrati size? As that brings up issues with things like food supplies and other things like that. Obviously on Frontier they have both scales covered as you have produce and animals that are also Zentrati scale.
One wonders if the humans would be able to handle a concert of a Zentrati idol singer at full size?
Did they every attempt to explain which scale is considered "normal" in Macross? Human or Zentrati size? As that brings up issues with things like food supplies and other things like that. Obviously on Frontier they have both scales covered as you have produce and animals that are also Zentrati scale.
One wonders if the humans would be able to handle a concert of a Zentrati idol singer at full size?
Not very good, especially if a Meltrandi singer pulls off a Dion glass-breaker and cause some serious ear damage.
For some odd reason of not creating a uniform standard size/scale for character designs, the original SDFM Zentrans (the average grunts) were actually smaller than their Frontier equivalents, even if you put Kridanik side-by-side with Klang -- she'll be a smidgen taller than the old general (who is already a huge man for his time)!
Yot-chan
2011-11-10, 11:35
one wonders if the humans would be able to handle a concert of a zentrati idol singer at full size?
Do WANT!!!! :D :D :D
Do WANT!!!! :D :D :D
I wouldn't mind being in the valley of joy while that is going on.
Though I can't imagine them being idols. I can imagine them being divas in rock or heavy metal.
- Tak
Can they all be Klan?
I wouldn't mind one of the Jenius daughters. :D
- Tak
I wouldn't mind one of the Jenius daughters. :D
- Tak
Mmmm, Emilia. Now that's what i'm talking about.
Mmmm, Emilia. Now that's what i'm talking about.
And lo' he dived into the (soft) valleys of joy...
- Tak
And lo' he dived into the (soft) valleys of joy...
- Tak
That's one woman i'd never say no to.
Hmm, Nora and Milia in a dogfight... :naughty:
- Tak
Yot-chan
2011-11-10, 12:48
That's one woman i'd never say no to.
Just for you... Emilia:
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Yot-chan
2011-11-10, 13:00
Is that Mika Okudoi?
Yes...
You won't BELIEVE how long it took us to find out that she was Emilia's singing voice... :eyespin:
Yes...
You won't BELIEVE how long it took us to find out that she was Emilia's singing voice... :eyespin:
It's pretty much impossible to find out on the internet, so i can just about believe that. :p
Know any of her album titles? Would really like to hear more of her stuff, especially after that song you just linked.
Yot-chan
2011-11-10, 13:07
It's pretty much impossible to find out on the internet, so i can just about believe that. :p
Know any of her album titles? Would really like to hear more of her stuff, especially after that song you just linked.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%89%9C%93y%8B%8F%94%FC%89%C2&x=0&y=0
But anyway, back on topic...
I just picked up the new issue of Newtype Ace today, and, completely apart from a total mindfuck episode of Macross the First, it had some info about Macross Last Frontier, including some pretty awesome YF-29s.
1. Ozma Type
2. Low-Vis Type
3. Isamu Type (!!!!!)
magnuskn
2011-11-10, 13:08
http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%89%9C%93y%8B%8F%94%FC%89%C2&x=0&y=0
But anyway, back on topic...
I just picked up the new issue of Newtype Ace today, and, completely apart from a total mindfuck episode of Macross the First, it had some info about Macross Last Frontier, including some pretty awesome YF-29s.
1. Ozma Type
2. Low-Vis Type
3. Isamu Type (!!!!!)
Huh, how can they do a mindfuck issue of Macross the First? I thought it's almost a straight retelling?
Yot-chan
2011-11-10, 13:10
Huh, how can they do a mindfuck issue of Macross the First? I thought it's almost a straight retelling?
It was...
Simply put...they get to Mars...
...and, uh, the staff of Mars Base Salla is alive...including Riber...who...
...pulls a gun on Misa and Hikaru. :twitch:
ChronoReverse
2011-11-10, 14:27
Yes...
You won't BELIEVE how long it took us to find out that she was Emilia's singing voice... :eyespin:
Is this really confirmed? I've never been able to find out in the past.
magnuskn
2011-11-10, 14:28
It was...
Simply put...they get to Mars...
...and, uh, the staff of Mars Base Salla is alive...including Riber...who...
...pulls a gun on Misa and Hikaru. :twitch:
Uh, okay. Didn't see that coming.
Yot-chan
2011-11-10, 14:48
Is this really confirmed? I've never been able to find out in the past.
Judge for yourself:
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It's Emilia's voice, yes?
Uh, okay. Didn't see that coming.
I think I can safely say that you're not alone...
It was...
Simply put...they get to Mars...
...and, uh, the staff of Mars Base Salla is alive...including Riber...who...
...pulls a gun on Misa and Hikaru. :twitch:
Mikimoto, you crazy. :p
& yeah, that's obviously Mika Okudoi.
So the human mecha are giant robots with a pilot while the Zentadi mecha are more like battlesuits. Hmmm. I wonder if the Zentradi (or their new human friends) ever tried to design a giant robot mech that would basicaly be the same scale difference as a human to a VF-1 just for Zentrati.
be the same scale difference as a human to a VF-1 just for Zentrati.
I think thats called the Macross Quarter :heh:
- Tak
Only if we see Klan working it at full size.
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-12, 13:14
So the human mecha are giant robots with a pilot while the Zentadi mecha are more like battlesuits. Hmmm. I wonder if the Zentradi (or their new human friends) ever tried to design a giant robot mech that would basicaly be the same scale difference as a human to a VF-1 just for Zentrati.
The rebel Zentradi Variable Glaug was a attempt of cultured rebel Zentradi to copy the capability of VFs to transform into three modes.
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UN Spacy captured one and created a Miclone version of it.
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UN Spacy also built an unmanned version without the battroid form.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/neoglaug-gerwalk.gifhttp://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/neoglaug-fighter.gif
As for the question the VA-14 a cousin of the VF-14 Vampire hints as such. But we aren't sure as we've never seen a VA-14 per se. Some speculate the Varauta version of the VF-14 is the VA-14 but that would make it miclone sized VF.
So there are a far as canon goes two VF-14 variants and the unseen VA-14.
http://macross.anime.net/wiki/VA-14
* Type: Variable fighter-attack craft for Zentadi pilots.
* Equipment Type: Variable Vehicles
* Manufacturer: General Galaxy/Mikoyan
* Government: U.N.
* Customers: UNS, including Macross 05 fleet.
Development began around 2025 on the VA-14 as a variable fighter-attack craft for Zentradi pilots. The VA-14 has a larger frame compared to the VF-14, but the two units share the basic structure and transformation system. It also has comparatively heavier armor and weaponry, but because the engine thrust was increased along with wings being completely redesigned, it has higher combat maneuverability within the atmosphere. Mass production began around 2030 as the main attack craft primarily for Zentradi colony planets and fleets. Many are still in service.
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I was thinking more of something huge were the Zentradi sit in a tiny cockpit (like there miclone cousins) and the big robot can tranform around them in the same general scale difference as th VF-1 The less than 2 meter high human verse the what 10 meter high mech, vs a 10 or so meters tall Zentradi verse a mech somewhere around 50 or 60 meters tall.
Endless Soul
2011-11-17, 16:04
That would be a lot of mass to move around.
Darthtabby
2011-11-20, 17:00
Fanfic related question:
Anyone got any ideas on how to make sense of the mix of missiles the VF-171s carry? They seem to carry two long range types which are often fired simultaneously even though one type looks like it ought to have a longer burning engine (due to the weapon's own greater length).
I'd thought perhaps the longer missiles could be some sort of high speed anti ship missile which had secondary anti-fighter applications thanks to a multi function fuse with proximity mode. But the missiles are narrow in profile, more like an air to air weapon than an anti-ship weapon.
To complicate matters further, the VF-171EX mounts containers on one arm that are supposedly for anti-ship missiles. However these missile containers don't seem like a good fit for any of the underwing ordinance or practically any missile at all for that matter due to their shape (look at them head on -they narrow out at either the top or bottom -what the heck type of missles are in those?).
darkplataform
2011-11-21, 02:02
It was...
Simply put...they get to Mars...
...and, uh, the staff of Mars Base Salla is alive...including Riber...who...
...pulls a gun on Misa and Hikaru. :twitch:
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http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_7043d6f60100vni9.html
Yot-chan
2011-11-21, 11:41
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_7043d6f60100vni9.html
Shouldn't you, uh, put some spoiler tags around those...? :frustrated:
Yot-chan
2011-11-22, 13:13
Still never equalled...
xxefonJWZSo
ReddyRedWolf
2011-11-22, 16:15
http://www.macrossroleplay.org/forums/index.php?topic=2667.0
The "Chogokin" real hobby toy manufacturer that has a seething spirit.
Dainamu
A toy manufacturer that handles all hobbies, from figures to video games. It releases various items, such as combining transforming superior gimmick Chougoukin and plastic models with the real intention of furnishing the pleasure of building. It also has such things as S.M.S.'s flagship Macross Quarter and the VF-24 main fighter in stock, and they are popular in the Macross Frontier Fleet. The commercial song that Ranka Lee sang is also known. Was the former name of the company "[redacted]dainamu[redacted]" or not...?
Well this is interesting it seems in-universe there is a toy version of a VF-24. Could mean at least somewhere the YF-24 was mass produced.
However, from the consideration of that high-performance, the cockpit is extremely narrow, and although it is for the Zentraadi, it's said that unless the pilot is a Meltrandi with a small physique, the true specifications won't be pulled out of the airframe. Even though a micron-use airframe also exists as the VA-110, as it has a design who's prerequisite is the Zentraadi health-function feedback, it is hard to say that it could perfectly reproduce the Neo-Guraaji's fighting abilities. Most of the craft deployed to "Fasces" are preferentially deployed to Zentraadi soldiers who adore Naresuan.
Reading on the Neo Glaug it implies if the Zentradi Variable Glaug were to use its full specs the one piloting it must be a Meltrandi loli.
I'm not sure on that implication.
On the Queadluun-Alma it seems to be the frame which the Feios was based upon.
Program
* Designer:
* Equipment Type: Battle Suits
* Affiliation:
One of the high-end models of the Queadluun-series which was designed by Quimeliquola Arsenal during the Stellar Republic dissolution conflict. Although it was considered to have been designed for the fleet commander of the female officers' fleet for the front lines, most of the records were lost so this is not certain.
The super high-maneuverability missile launchers is the similar to the main equipment of the Queadluun-Rau, but the load capacity is 4-times greater due to the enlarged backpack. In addition, the arm pulse laser guns have such a high output that it can penetrate the anti-beam-coated armor on a VF-171 Nightmare Plus, if was equipped with it.
The design, developed by Earth engineers who defected to rogue Zentradi who designed the Feious Valkyrie, incorporated the technology from the enemy Valkyrie with the Queadluun-Rau and it has a variable function to a high-speed flight form.
The ether wave emitted by the remains of the Protodeviln, is used by Angers 672 through the astral world and the system to create a physical force field barrier is incorporated which could theoretically endue a direct hit from a Macross Cannon. It is unknown whether or not this inherent feature was originally provided in this system.
Where the hell did she get Protodevlin parts?!
Where the hell did she get Protodevlin parts?!
LOL, since when did Protodevlin leave parts for people to salvage? Had that been the case, anyone with Protodevlin weapons would be able to bust a galaxy at will :heh:
- Tak
moncikoma
2012-05-21, 05:28
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu238/moncikoma/526129_3566048623533_1042423288_33260620_402312250 _n.jpg
MESSIAH FASTPACKS VS DURANDAL :
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu238/moncikoma/promotion/sample_a743d181235a69104232a39c1ebb02c1.jpg
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/vf-25f/vf-25-cockpit1.gif
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/vf-25f/vf-25-cockpit2.gif
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/vf-25f/vf-25-lineart2.gif
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/vf-25f/vf-25-lineart3.gif
Debut: Macross Frontier, Episode 1
Pilot(s): Henry Gilliam, Alto Saotome
Other appearances: none.
Original mechanical designer: Shoji Kawamori
FAST Packs
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/VF_25_Superpacks.jpg
The VF-25 can be fitted with one of two add-on packs to improve its performance. The VF-25 can transform between Fighter, GERWALK, and Battroid modes without having to jettison the pack
VERSUS...
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu238/moncikoma/promotion/dafcfbb0915c7e3bfb7cefae59d3c70a.jpg
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* Maximum speed:
o standard, in atmosphere at 10000 m: Mach 5.5+, (on account of the fuselage heat-resistance limit. Possible speeds of greater than Mach 10 for brief periods)
* Maximum airframe design load: 32.5kg [40.0G]
Design Features
Forward-swept wings. Four-section design. Fold Wave system. Fold Wave projector system. Fold Quartz amplifier installed on each side of fuselage. Fold quartz not only improves airframe performance but also amplifies the effect of intervention and obstruction of Vajra fold network and fold song
Manufacturer: Shinsei Industry/ Macross Frontier Arsenal Original Development/L.A.I.
Fighter mode
* Length, overall: 18.73 m
* Width, overall: 14.15 m (with main wings deployed)
* Height (without landing gear): 3.88 m
Appearances
* Debut: Macross Frontier: The Movie ~Sayonara no Tsubasa~
Background
* Designer: Shoji Kawamori
* Design inspiration: VF-25 Messiah with Tornado Pack
Although Shoji Kawamori originally intended to design the YF-29 with forward swept wings like the YF-19, he didn't plan for it to have 4 sections like the VF-27 Lucifer. His inspiration came from incorporating elements of the first movie's Tornado pack.
the winner is :
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu238/moncikoma/546591_3566040623333_1042423288_33260619_812735623 _n.jpg
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/252/me-gusta.jpg both!
These guys are serious...
http://suidobashijuko.jp/
- Tak
Yu Ominae
2012-08-30, 03:14
Pillaging! Thats what every eccentric, noble fleet leader will do when faced with such a problem. :heh:
For some reason, I'm picturing everyone in SMS (Including Cathy) having pirate getups and having pirate accents on. :heh:
For some reason, I'm picturing everyone in SMS (Including Cathy) having pirate getups and having pirate accents on. :heh:
When, oh, when will they ever release a game where you can have total control over the Macross Quarter including personnel, manufacturing & resource management? I have been waiting for one such release for a long time...
The last time I had something like it was SDF Macross for the PC... :(
- Tak
When, oh, when will they ever release a game where you can have total control over the Macross Quarter including personnel, manufacturing & resource management? I have been waiting for one such release for a long time...
The last time I had something like it was SDF Macross for the PC... :(
- Tak
There is a Macross mod in the works for the Homeworld 2 engine. How far along they are is another matter.
There is a Macross mod in the works for the Homeworld 2 engine. How far along they are is another matter.
I played the original Homeworld version, it was wonderful. Unfortunately, at the end of the day, a mod is nothing more than... a mod... :(
- Tak
What's the difference between VF and YF again? I've only ever touched Macross through the SRW games, and I'm planning to make Delta the first one I watch. But I've always wondered.
YF = prototype
VF = production
- Tak
ReddyRedWolf
2016-05-12, 22:58
While there are tons of of new stuff from the Regult Type-104 to VF-31 and Sv-262 Draken III and Maross Elysion lets start with the comparison between Macross Galaxy ships and Windermerean ships that took over NUN planet Voldor.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/VF5SS/MacrossGalaxy.jpg~original
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/Ohys-Raws%20Macross%20Delta%20-%2005%20MX%201280x720%20x264%20AAC.mp4_snapshot_05 .06_2016.05.02_01.02.50_zpsaaofn7fa.jpg~original
As you can see similarities with the Deneb class and Kaitos type ships.
While there are tons of of new stuff from the Regult Type-104 to VF-31 and Sv-262 Draken III and Maross Elysion lets start with the comparison between Macross Galaxy ships and Windermerean ships that took over NUN planet Voldor.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/VF5SS/MacrossGalaxy.jpg~original
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/Ohys-Raws%20Macross%20Delta%20-%2005%20MX%201280x720%20x264%20AAC.mp4_snapshot_05 .06_2016.05.02_01.02.50_zpsaaofn7fa.jpg~original
As you can see similarities with the Deneb class and Kaitos type ships.
For all the talks about being pure and only recognized offspring of protoculture, they certainly do not mind receiving a lot of Alien help.
- Tak
For all the talks about being pure and only recognized offspring of protoculture, they certainly do not mind receiving a lot of Alien help.
- Tak
And they all seems to come from Macross Galaxy's supplies chain tech-wise...
Maybe Roid was promised a cyborg/android body in exchange for declaring war on NUN.
xeviouses
2016-05-13, 07:08
And they all seems to come from Macross Galaxy's supplies chain tech-wise...
Maybe Roid was promised a cyborg/android body in exchange for declaring war on NUN.
Too prolong his too short life, possibly, though if it were true I suspect its for Heinz.
Guess the deal is off since the remnants of Galaxy were integrated to Frontier.
BTW quick question guys, do all VFs still use propellant? I always thought by the time the VF-25 rolled out, the thrust was generated solely from the engines.
ReddyRedWolf
2016-05-13, 08:22
In atmosphere VF reaction engines turn air into plasma. In space they need reactant matter to move. Hence for longer operational times super or fast packs are needed.
BTW quick question guys, do all VFs still use propellant? I always thought by the time the VF-25 rolled out, the thrust was generated solely from the engines.
Reaction engines of variable fighters are essentially anti-matter/pair-annihlation (where super dimension space come into play) engines that maintain consumable energy in a permanent plasma state. This is equal to drawing power from a miniture sun. The challenge to Macross is not the lack of energy, but to create a container durable enough to hold the output.
As Red said above, FAST packs, meaning Fuel And Sensor Tactical packs were essential to the old UN workhorse, the VF-1, which provided additional weaponry, sensor and perhaps, fuel (a legacy of the VF-0). Though by the time of PLUS and certainly by Seven, FAST packs were replaced or retrofitted into becoming Super Packs, aimed additional weapony and increasing thrust power of variable fighters to balance the additional weight. Then by Frontier, you got Super FAST packs...
- Tak
ReddyRedWolf
2016-05-13, 12:03
VF engines are still Thermonuclear Reaction Engines. As said in atmosphere infinite reactant is available. In space you have to watch your gauges as there are no gasses to convert.
Most of the VF in Delta here. No entries to VF-31A or VF-1EX. Hopefully also pages for the Regult Type 104 variants, Glaug variant and Workroid show up.
http://macross.jp/delta/mechanic/
VF engines are still Thermonuclear Reaction Engines. As said in atmosphere infinite reactant is available. In space you have to watch your gauges as there are no gasses to convert.
Indeed this was the problem to the VF-1, where propellant was lacking in space, this meant sustained flight was impossible and the VF-1 would actually have to shut-down and harvest unless equipped with a FAST pack.
This problem was remedied by the introduction of the Thermo Nuclear-Reactor Burst Engine that rendered FAST packs unnecessary. By 2050s we were introduced to Stage II of this development, Reaction Turbine Engine.
- Tak
wavehawk
2016-05-14, 03:17
Yes it's a toy but I think it's the first sort-of clear pic of the battroid mode...
EDIT: Better pics.
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=TOY-RBT-4084&page=top
http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/review/162/TOY-RBT-4084_17.jpg
http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/review/162/TOY-RBT-4084_20.jpg
http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/review/162/TOY-RBT-4084_01.jpg
http://img.amiami.jp/images/product/review/162/TOY-RBT-4084_04.jpg
LoweGear
2016-05-14, 03:23
Yes it's a toy but I think it's the first sort-of clear pic of the battroid mode...
https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/13174128_1336775016338408_7777588540863202703_n.jp g?oh=12efeefb1d78bea176163731731c7dbd&oe=57E74439&__gda__=1474209308_b55b51d0cb8df1e1868d3002150bf45 1
Actually, you can get better pics off the official site:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70565045/MacrossDelta/officialpics/sv-262hs_3.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70565045/MacrossDelta/officialpics/sv-262ba_3.jpg
wavehawk
2016-05-14, 03:29
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70565045/MacrossDelta/officialpics/sv-262ba_3.jpg -hmmm. Head design reminds me of the Macross 7 enemy Valkyries--which for the life of me I can't seem to find on Google and I can't rememebr what they were called...
The Protodevlin modified VF-14's? I think they were called the Elgozorene.
http://macross.anime.net/wiki/VF-14_Vampire
It's definitely looking like it....and a bit of the SV-51 pointy head too.
ReddyRedWolf
2016-05-16, 06:48
Windermere fleet. They have at least two classes. It wouldn't surprise me if they had some unseen command ship type.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/Ohys-Raws%20Macross%20Delta%20-%2007%20MX%201280x720%20x264%20AAC.mp4_snapshot_01 .13_2016.05.16_00.02.44_zpsedvnb59c.jpg
This is a Deneb class variant. Similar to the one used by Macross Galaxy.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/Ohys-Raws%20Macross%20Delta%20-%2007%20MX%201280x720%20x264%20AAC.mp4_snapshot_04 .01_2016.05.16_00.07.59_zpsdxtvaix0.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/Ohys-Raws%20Macross%20Delta%20-%2007%20MX%201280x720%20x264%20AAC.mp4_snapshot_06 .19_2016.05.16_00.11.05_zpshndpmqrt.jpg
Darthtabby
2016-05-31, 23:53
So apparently the drones that combine with the Draken are called Lil Draken. In real life Lill-Draken was the (probably retroactive) nickname given to the experimental SAAB 210 (http://www.aircraftinformation.info/Images/210_03.jpg) that was used to test the real life (http://www.goodwp.com/images/201410/goodwp.com_31879.jpg) Draken's double delta wing configuration.
Is it just me, or is that thing kind of moe? :p
(Sidenote: Although its often stated that the name "Draken" means "dragon" it apparently actually means "kite.")
Gravitas Free Zone
2016-06-01, 03:27
Is it just me, or is that thing kind of moe? :p
They're definitely rounder and less angry-looking than the typical Ghost drone.
They're definitely rounder and less angry-looking than the typical Ghost drone.
Less hax though than your V-9s in atmospheric combat. I would bet one V-9 would have taken on all 12 of the Main Knight group's drones and still own a couple more.
God forbid it's an unshackled one. Clearly the Knights never knew the word curbstomp until that day.
Darthtabby
2016-06-04, 01:04
Is it just me, or is that thing kind of moe? :p
They're definitely rounder and less angry-looking than the typical Ghost drone.
I was actually referring to the real life SAAB 210 test aircraft which the Lill Draken drones are named after.
Anyway I was reviewing some footage from Episode 1, and it seems the missiles in the Draken's add on missile bays are stored at an angle. Going by my count of this frame and others, there are thirty seven missiles per bay (assuming the dorsal and ventral bays are identical). Plus whatever the Lill Draken drones are carrying for their missiles tubes.
http://imgur.com/Bkf3t7Q.jpg
The missiles themselves are also rather interesting. They have pop out tail fins, and thrusters on the sides of their bodies which they use to practically jump off the storage racks. They're also pretty darn agile -after jumping off the racks they essentially do a one hundred eight degree flip to orient their noses toward Messer's fighter.
http://imgur.com/TZVpuxX.jpg
http://imgur.com/sMKWSg6.jpg
Yes macross missiles even have verniers on them. I wonder what kind of development would be needed irl to have this capability.
I also wonder if it is possible to re-sculpt a working Draken EDF RC plane into the SV-262 or build one from scratch- even if just flying w/o the drones...
Plus points if it has detachable drones that can fly independently (well redocking them would be a whole new challenge)
Renegade334
2016-06-04, 02:45
RL missiles like the AIM-9X already have thrust vectoring to achieve extreme angles of interception, but at the moment verniers are AFAIK only used in (much) larger missiles to help them stabilize after (vertical) launch, like the Russo-Indian BrahMos. The only other exceptions are for kinetic-kill vehicles used in the exoatmospheric layer, and those aren't really missiles per se, but specialized warheads, and ground-based, anti-RPG missiles like Raytheon's Quick Kill (http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/aps/). Verniers on longer, narrow frames used for dogfighting, however, pose two problems:
1. There's not much room in a air-to-air missile, so that space might as well be used to store more electronics (better detection and tracking or countermeasure discrimination), a larger warhead (greater lethality) or more rocket fuel (longer effective ranges) rather than a fancy gimmick.
2. Structural problems caused by excessive G-forces. Vernier thrusters firing up rather aggressively on a (long) tubular airframe flying at Mach 2/3 could cause the fuselage to come apart in midair if the maneuver is rather radical. Shorter, stubbier airframes like the ones in the screenshot above (or on Raytheon's Quick Kill munition), however, should be more insensitive to such stress.
Right now thrust vectoring (on the main rocket motor) is plenty enough.
Wild Goose
2016-06-06, 09:02
I should also add that generally you don't want your AAMs to have to pull these sorts of maneuvers in gravity, since that results in reduced energy. One of the lessons that TOPGUN taught US Navy F-4 drivers was the engagement envelope of the Sidewinder and Sparrow, and how to manuever so that when you fired you were in the most advantageous position with the most potential energy for your missile. This is how gunless F-4Cs racked up higher kill ratios than gun-equipped F-4Es (and also USAF training was not as focused on ACM as the USN).
SO What the hell hit Messer in ep10? The guns on the wrist from ep8? Did they just make one up out of nowhere and whacked Mohikan?
SO What the hell hit Messer in ep10? The guns on the wrist from ep8? Did they just make one up out of nowhere and whacked Mohikan?
It was fired from the Draken's nose. Though as I stated, your body wouldn't splatter like that upon impact.
- Tak
Gravitas Free Zone
2016-06-06, 11:34
SO What the hell hit Messer in ep10? The guns on the wrist from ep8? Did they just make one up out of nowhere and whacked Mohikan?
Those should be the equivalent of VF head lasers, except that on the Sv-262, the nose is the head.
Darthtabby
2016-06-06, 11:43
SO What the hell hit Messer in ep10? The guns on the wrist from ep8? Did they just make one up out of nowhere and whacked Mohikan?
As Gravitas noted, they're the head "lasers" (I tend to think of them as some kind of particle beam weapons myself since their portrayal isn't very laser like) since the Draken's head is (part?) of the nose in fighter mode. The wrist guns end up along the dorsal spine in fighter mode.
The configuration does allow the Draken to concentrate its guns forward, but doesn't let the head guns fire to the rear like the ones on many newer VFs like the 25 and 31 (for all the good that generally does).
I should also add that generally you don't want your AAMs to have to pull these sorts of maneuvers in gravity, since that results in reduced energy. One of the lessons that TOPGUN taught US Navy F-4 drivers was the engagement envelope of the Sidewinder and Sparrow, and how to manuever so that when you fired you were in the most advantageous position with the most potential energy for your missile. This is how gunless F-4Cs racked up higher kill ratios than gun-equipped F-4Es (and also USAF training was not as focused on ACM as the USN).
You gotta admit its a heck of a way to deal with a bandit on your six though.
BTW, I noted in the latest episode that the micro missiles on the VF-31 also have vernier thrusters, though as of yet they haven't been used to do what we've seen the Draken's missiles do.
Wild Goose
2016-06-12, 06:19
You gotta admit its a heck of a way to deal with a bandit on your six though.
BTW, I noted in the latest episode that the micro missiles on the VF-31 also have vernier thrusters, though as of yet they haven't been used to do what we've seen the Draken's missiles do.
Assuming that you want to use the same micromissiles in space and atmo, vermiers make sense, since you can't use the fins for steering given the lack of air in a vacuum. *shrug*
ReddyRedWolf
2016-06-18, 10:06
Sketchley from MW has two new pieces of info. The Sv used by Windermere during the 2050's and the name of the VF-31A.
Great Mechanics G: 2016 Summer has a bunch of *new* or revised names for some of the Macross Delta Valkyries:
Draken III
- Sv-262Hs (commander model)
- Sv-262Ba (standard production model)
- Sv-262Hs Draken III Lildraken equipment
Sv-154
The Windamia F-104 based Valkyrie. Doesn't look like it has a name. Scanlation: it mentions that it doesn't have a dogfighting ability - but that could be referencing the F-104 that it is based on.
VF-31 series
- VF-31 Siegfried (used by Chaos's Delta Platoon)
- VF-31A Kairos (used by Chaos's Alpha Platoon and others - interesting counterpoint to the YF-30 Chronos name, eh)
- VF-31 Super Pack (no specific name or numeric designation, yet)
I found the pages Sketchley is referring to at /a/. The Sv-262 was designed inspired by the VF-9. The length of the Macross Elysion is 828 meters.
LoweGear
2016-06-22, 14:10
I found the pages Sketchley is referring to at /a/. The Sv-262 was designed inspired by the VF-9. The length of the Macross Elysion is 828 meters.
Huh, so the Elysion is shorter than a full-fledged Macross class, but definitely larger than a Quarter. Given it's size, it might be the case that it's really more of a proto-Quarter, where the Elysion is one of the steps to miniaturizing a Macross class.
Huh, so the Elysion is shorter than a full-fledged Macross class, but definitely larger than a Quarter. Given it's size, it might be the case that it's really more of a proto-Quarter, where the Elysion is one of the steps to miniaturizing a Macross class.
Or they were just building it in ways they saw fit? This is not a standard NUNs vessel, but a privately owned and operated PMC unit.
- Tak
ReddyRedWolf
2016-06-23, 23:41
Model kit promos and manuals and whatnot for the Bandai 1/72 VF-31J kit is out. Here's their PDF promo brochure:
http://bandai-hobby.net/site/character_macrossd/72_vf31j_spec01.pdf
Since the PDF has selectable text, it's machine translatable, so I plugged in some of it into Google Translate. To wit:
? VF-31J [SPEC]
Basic design: Surya Aerospace
Renovated: Chaos Valkyrie Works
Overall length: 19.31m overall width: 14.14m
Height: 3.85m (Battroid time: 15.33m ? not included laser machine gun)
Empty weight: 8,525kg (not including multi-purpose container equipment)
Airframe design maximum load: 29.5G
(At the time of ISC operation is protected from both high-G aircraft, crew and equipment)
Engine: Shinsei Industry / P & W / RR Co., Ltd.
FF-3001 / FC2 stage IIC heat nuclear turbine engine × 2
Space maximum thrust: 1,875KN + × 2
Fold Wave system during operation is up to about 15%
Over boost is possible.
High Mobility thrusters: P & W HMM-10A
Maximum speed: M5.5 + (advanced 10,000m / However heat limit)
Thrust Ribasa, three-dimensional deflection nozzle equipment
The big gun pod is labeled "Howard Co., Ltd. LU-18A beam gun pod", and the explanation given is that previous VFs had physical gun pods, but engine output is now great enough to support a beam gun pod and so the VF-31 is now officially equipped with one.
The knives are labeled "AK / VF-M11 Assault knife", with the explanation telling where it's stored (back edge of elbow shield), that it's made of super-alloy, and how the edge can be enhanced with the use of the pin-point barrier for extra force.
The "Elbow Shield" caption states that they're made from Energy Conversion Armor, and can be improved with the pin point barrier, then something about functioning as "Uchitsubasa" which I don't know what it means.
The "Arm rail gun (mini gun pod)" caption mentions how it's stored facing forwards in fighter mode and rotates around a fulcrum to face forward in Gerwalk or battroid, near as I can tell.
The model kit instructions have bigger captions for some of the items, but the scans are small so I can't see the characters well enough to transcribe them.
Well this confirms all the Delta Platoon VF-31 Siegfried are custom units.
edit:http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/ReddyRedWolf048/13533202_613693475471778_1385884603679834752_n_zps 8gwbb2pq.jpg~original
ReddyRedWolf
2016-08-08, 11:37
https://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab309/Charun01/Macross_zpse9b4432c.jpg~original
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/Ohys-Raws%20Macross%20Delta%20-%2007%20MX%201280x720%20x264%20AAC.mp4_snapshot_01 .13_2016.05.16_00.02.44_zpsi3oxt8gg.jpg~original
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/gg_Macross_Delta_-_17_D187A862.mkv_snapshot_15.39_2016.07.25_18.23.1 6_zps6jwto3g0.jpg~original
Huh? Just noticed the Dulfim type can fire like Supervision gunship and Meltrandi gunship without the the whole split transformation.
Windermere's Deneb variant don't seem equipped as a gunship. The Catamaran-type of theirs half serves a gunship it seems while the other a carrier.
edit:
According to Macross Delta novelization vol 1 by Kodachi Ukyo the Sv-154 was called the Sv-154 Svärd, meaning Sword in Swedish.
edit:
Well this is interesting. Epsilon is selling two variants of the Deneb class.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/Ohys-Raws%20Macross%20Delta%20-%2019%20MX%201280x720%20x264%20AAC.mp4_snapshot_04 .28_2016.08.08_23.51.56_zpsdnte9eb6.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/kaitos-1.jpg
Comparison with the Macross Galaxy Deneb class.
ReddyRedWolf
2016-08-26, 01:08
REJOICE, BROTHERS! Macross Delta Vol.2 BD liner notes have specs for the Sv-262 Draken III! In M3 form:
Equipment Type: Variable Fighter
Government: Windermere Kingdom
Manufacturer: General Galaxy Corporation SV Works
Accommodation: Pilot only
Dimensions:
Length: 17.54m (Sv-262Hs)
Wingspan: 13.00m (Sv-262Hs)
Height: 5.74m (Fighter), 15.78m (Battroid)
Mass: 9,810kg
ISC Max G-Load: 30.8G
Power Plant: Two P&W/RR/LAI FF-2999/FC2 Stage IIG thermonuclear reaction turbine engine
Propulsion: 2x 1,955kN (Hs type can increase output nearly 30% using reheat system)
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 40.642 (unboosted)
Performance: Mach 5.8+ at 10,000m (capable of independent flight to satellite orbit)
Design Features: 3-mode variable transformation, ISC/T021G inertia store converter, SWGA energy conversion armor, pinpoint barrier system, active stealth system, chaff/flare/smoke discharger, bulletproof shield.
Armament:
2x Ramington LM-27C 27mm railgun pod (right forearm)
1x General Galaxy GBP-35A beam gun pod
4x Micro-Missile Pod (detachable)
2x Lilldraken (armament options available)
2x Laser machine gun (Hs type only)
Armament: (Lilldraken)
1x 30mm beam cannon
4x Micro-Missile Launcher
Armament: (Lilldraken, Alternate)
1x Jamming System
In this day in age, Sv apparently doesn't stand for Sukhoi Variable anymore... it's "Slayer Valkyrie".
To me it is starting took like elements within General Galaxy is looking shadier than before. In Macross Dynamite 7 Loschier's black market was selling them new teal VF-17Ds. Macross Galaxy was sponsored by General Galaxy as well. Epsilon Foundation it seems has a connection to General Galaxy if they are selling those.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/Galaxy-Windermere%20ship%20comparison_zpszwsb9wvj.png
Not to mention Galaxy escorts are similar to battleships sold by Epsilon.
edit:
What is the Sv-262 Draken III?
A variable fighter used by the Aerial Knights of the Kingdom of Windermeria.
Its roots can be traced back to the Unification War some 60 years ago.
Alexei Kurakin who headed the development of the SV-51 in the same era would later found General Galaxy. He predicted that that there would not only be fighting against Zentradi and humanity but amongst humanity and so he set up SV Works within General Galaxy for the purpose of always developing a VF that could always compete against the latest VF.
SV stands for Slayer Valkyrie or Slayer VF; in other words, it is an anti-VF VF.
Afterwards, Belger Stone of the Epsilon Foundation, who was interested in the high specs of the Sv-154 developed by SV Works, transferred ownership of the entirety of SV Works to the Dian Cécht Company, a subsidiary company under Epsilon.
The Sv-262 which was developed so as to also meet the demands of Windermere, is a state of the art variable fighter produced by SV Works.
It was designed as an interceptor and for base defense and exhibits incredible climb rate, acceleration, and mobility, but the amount of internal propellant it can hold is low and its range outside of the atmosphere is limited
The greatest feature of the fighters built for the aerial knights is the reheat system which is equipped with fold quartz excavated from the Protoculture ruins of Windermere. It is a device that is based on the same principle as the fold wave system but it is mainly purposed for overboosting, and while it does have fold wave relay and amplification functions, they are limited.
No wonder the Sv-262Hs can keep up with the VF-31 Siegfried's Fold Wave System, besides having a strong Fold Receptor pilot it has an inferior version of the Fold Wave System. The VF-31 Siegfried uses a version of the Fold Wave System used by the YF-29. Fold Dimensional Resonance System of the YF-30 is a more advanced version of the Fold Wave System.
ReddyRedWolf
2016-08-26, 11:47
What is the Sv-262 Draken III?
A variable fighter used by the Aerial Knights of the Kingdom of Windermeria.
Its roots can be traced back to the Unification War some 60 years ago.
Alexei Kurakin who headed the development of the SV-51 in the same era would later found General Galaxy. He predicted that that there would not only be fighting against Zentradi and humanity but amongst humanity and so he set up SV Works within General Galaxy for the purpose of always developing a VF that could always compete against the latest VF.
SV stands for Slayer Valkyrie or Slayer VF; in other words, it is an anti-VF VF.
Afterwards, Belger Stone of the Epsilon Foundation, who was interested in the high specs of the Sv-154 developed by SV Works, transferred ownership of the entirety of SV Works to the Dian Cécht Company, a subsidiary company under Epsilon.
The Sv-262 which was developed so as to also meet the demands of Windermere, is a state of the art variable fighter produced by SV Works.
It was designed as an interceptor and for base defense and exhibits incredible climb rate, acceleration, and mobility, but the amount of internal propellant it can hold is low and its range outside of the atmosphere is limited
The greatest feature of the fighters built for the aerial knights is the reheat system which is equipped with fold quartz excavated from the Protoculture ruins of Windermere. It is a device that is based on the same principle as the fold wave system but it is mainly purposed for overboosting, and while it does have fold wave relay and amplification functions, they are limited.
No wonder the Sv-262Hs can keep up with the VF-31 Siegfried's Fold Wave System, besides having a strong Fold Receptor pilot it has an inferior version of the Fold Wave System. The VF-31 Siegfried uses a version of the Fold Wave System used by the YF-29. Fold Dimensional Resonance System of the YF-30 is a more advanced version of the Fold Wave System.
It looks like Anti-UN Sv developers got integrated to General Galaxy and continued to develop Anti-VF units. The Zentradi Variable Glaug is speculated to be developed from General Galaxy and Macross Combine's VBP-1/VA-110 Neo Glaug. Data being leaked to rebel and Lost Zentradi.
http://nomansland.site.nfoservers.com/MRG-Active-Archive//forums/index.php?topic=2667.msg42833#msg42833
VBP-1/VA-110 Neo-Guraaji
Specs
Model Designation: VBP-1/VA-110
Classification: Variable Battle Pod
Attached to: Earth Main Planetary Fleet "Fasces"
Design: Macross Combine [Business Concern] / General Galaxy / New Nile Armoury
Manufacturing: Protodeviln Automated Arsenal
Empty Weight: 27,500 kg
Engine: Roicommi / General Galaxy Thermonuclear Converter FC-2450?
Offensive Equipment:
A: Mauler APB-01S Anti-Ship Heavy Quantum Beam Gun
B: Mauler LPG30/AA Anti-Air Laser Pulse Gun x2
C: Bifors BML-02S Micro-missile Launcher x4
D: Ericon APB-33 Scattering Irradiation type Charged Particle Gun Launcher x2
Defensive Equipment:
A) complete set of Energy Conversion Armour SWGA System
B) complete set of Active Stealth Systems
C) complete set of chaff, flare and smoke dispenser systems
D) complete set of pin-point barriers.
Airframe Explanation
VBP-1/VA-110 Neo Guraaji
A variable battle pod that's based on the EVA (Enemy Valkyrie, Enemy Variable Fighter) that was developed by use of the Earth side's technology which was leaked to the lost Zentraadi in the latter half of the 2010s. The Neo Guraaji is an EVA that the Macross Combine completed while taking in the design of such things as the VF-4 Lightning; the EVA having not achieved the rebirth of high-performance Guraaji.
This craft, which was developed as one of the candidates for the AVF Plan, has had high-manoeuvrability and a large quantity of fire power handed over to it, additional speed in fighter form, and has perfect performance in hand-to-hand combat in GERWALK* due to a pin-point barrier and strengthened SWGA. And even though it has been assigned the dogfighting abilities of such things as the VF-19 and VF-22, it has earned a favourable reputation among Zentraadi soldiers as a powerful heavy attack craft. It has excellent electronic warfare functions, and is able to control both the QF-3000 and QF-4000 Ghost fighters.**
However, from the consideration of that high-performance, the cockpit is extremely narrow, and although it is for the Zentraadi, it's said that unless the pilot is a Meltrandi with a small physique, the true specifications won't be pulled out of the airframe. Even though a micron-use airframe also exists as the VA-110, as it has a design who's prerequisite is the Zentraadi health-function feedback, it is hard to say that it could perfectly reproduce the Neo-Guraaji's fighting abilities. Most of the craft deployed to "Fasces" are preferentially deployed to Zentraadi soldiers who adore Naresuan
http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/MCRmechanic/Other04bVariableGuraajiNeoGuraaji.php
Variable Guraaji
A Zentraadi one-man Guraaji Battle Pod aircraft development series. In the same way as the Variable Fighters in the Earth side, it transforms to the three forms of Fighter, GERWALK, and Battroid. Even though it's said to have been a weapon that a Zentraadi Insurrection Element developed with obtained Earth technology, its details are unknown. It was invested into action when the Anti Unification Power conducted terrorist activities against the Development Experiment Facilities on planet Cristrania, and it fought against the Dancing Skull Special Forces Unit. After the battle, it turned out that Moaramia Jifon, the person, the restrained person that boarded the aircraft, was a 6-year old Zentraadi girl. After that, she was accepted as the adopted child of husband and wife Max and Miria of the Dancing Skull Unit, and she also became a team member of that same unit. Although the original Variable Guraaji had a Zentraadi size cockpit, just like the archetype craft, when Moaramia -who husband and wife Max [and Miria] took care of- received My-clonization, the Variable Guraaji was improved to an aircraft with an Earthling-sized cockpit. In addition, it later became clear that Moaramia was an experimental body for the analysis of the Zentraadi factor, which was conducted by the insurrection organization. [Source: Macross M3]*
Neo-Guraaji
An aircraft that is considered to have been a Zentraadi "Guraaji" Battle Pod -which were recovered by the Unified Forces after the First Interstellar War- that was studied and improved upon by the technology of the Earth side. Although the exterior and transformation mechanism are both basically shared with the Variable Guraaji, the relationship between both aircraft is unknown (it's likely that the Variable Guraaji is considered to be an aircraft based on the Neo-Guraaji that was improved upon by the Anti Unification Power. There's also a rumour that Sharon Apple hacked it, and it fought against the YF-19 in the Sharon Apple Incident in 2040. [Source: Macross Plus -Game Edition-]*
However SV Works got bought by Epsilon Foundation that may not have necessarily Anti-UN motivations. Meaning we don't know what is Berger Stone's end game. Certainly he is playing all sides. NUNS, Anti-UN engineers and Windermere.
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Alexi Kurakin
Fortunately for humanity, the leader of the VF-4 project, Alexi Kurakin, miraculously survived the interstellar war. Kurakin was the man who led the VF-4 project from start to finish, but he had once been a member of the ASS-1 survey team and later developed the SV-51 variable fighter under the Anti-Unification Alliance. However, he had been simply working under the powers in control of his motherland and not out of any political ideology.
The SV-51 was considered to possess performance equivalent to the VF-0 or better in certain conditions and greatly impacted development of the VF-1. After making the SV-51, he defected to the UN government. Under the United Nations military prior to Space War 1, Kurakin worked as a civilian engineer in the VF-1’s development, after which he became a contracted employee of Stonewell Belcom, where he suddenly was left in charge of the VF-4 project. This was of course because they recognized his ability in the creation of the SV-51 which had rivaled the VF-0 in performance.
A development division and factory for the VF-4 project were built on South Ataria, and when a section and work space were set up inside the SDF-1 Macross, Kurakin assigned his deputy chief, who could be called his right hand, to lead the section while he would work on the island. The section chief was Oleg Fedorov, who traveled with the SDF-1 in its so-called journey back to Earth.
On the day of the SDF-1 Macross’ launching ceremony and the attack on South Ataria by Britai’s fleet, Federov witnessed the activation of the SDF-1’s booby trap while attending the ceremony and immediately went to inspect his section in the ship. The SDF-1 then executed a space fold, and Federov and the other engineers who escaped no longer had the luxury to carry out their research and were tasked with maintenance, repair, and upgrading of the VF-1 squadrons. The valuable findings they gained from handling actual combat aircraft proved to be invaluable in later upgrades to the VF-1 and tactical analysis and would be passed on to the VF-4 project, needless to say.
On the day the SDF-1 folded out, Kurakin, also at the ceremony, avoided catastrophe by boarding a transport plane or helicopter escaping from the island. He was taken in by a nearby UN Navy carrier and changed his base of operations to work on the VF-4 project. He was based at the Grand Cannon in Alaska but luckily for him he was moved to the Apollo base with a test model right before the battle against the Bodol main fleet. Having survived Space War 1, he was directly commissioned by the UN Spacy to continue work on the VF-4 project. This was because the competing VF-3 Project was lost along with its staff due to the attack by the Bodol main fleet, and the survivors of the original VF-1 development team had their hands full with improving the VF-1. Federov also joined his project.
Through part of the development of the VF-4 series, Kurakin sought to achieve an airframe that surpassed the VF-1 in aerial maneuverability. To do that he even thought that transformation was unnecessary, but it wasn’t that he dismissed the idea. As evidence to that, for all models he made prototypes that could transform. He had later said, “The VF’s transformation is like a sudden mutation in the genes of an organism and if used in the right manner it could break stalemates or snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. I hoped it would serve as a catalyst in extend the conscious of a pilot." Kurakin himself had developed the SV-51 before the interstellar war and could not have anticipated the full scope of the transforming ability of the VF. He hoped that the added functionality to the fighter aircraft would create something that surpassed the expectations of its designers, and that it would be created by pilots placed in extreme situations. The fact of the matter is that there had been numerous reports of dramatic comebacks in situations where transformation was used by some skilled VF-1 pilots, and it was by reflecting those lessons learned in combat to the whole that the VF gained superiority over all else as a tactical weapon used by individuals. This is ultimately due to such possibilities and versatility being incorporated since the birth of the VF, but Kurakin’s genius was that he had implemented these uncertain factors while presenting a convincing and concrete argument to get permission for development from the military.
However there was a reason why even Kurakin had to give up on adding the transforming mechanism to the VF-4. The transforming mechanism of the VF-4 was excluded due to constraints that prevented sufficient enough time to be allocated to R&D and also because he was in agreement with the UN Spacy, which desired a fighter that would be easier to achieve flying qualifications for than the transformable VF-1 in order to get as many pilots into combat as possible. As a result, the VF-4 in all of its variations came to have specs surpassing the VF-1 and had the high evaluation of surpassing the VF-1 in operating rates and maintainability. After development of the VF-4, Kurakin did not join Shinsei Industries but created General Galaxy, and though the number of models that did end up being mass produced were few, he did create many excellent variable fighters.
Kurakin foresaw that with humanity’s sudden emergence into galactic space, it would be fighting against humanity that would escalate more than that against Zentradi. The main weapon in a war of humans versus humans would be the VF. Kurakin set up the SV design division as a special development team in General Galaxy. The SV design division worked on designs of “anti-VF VFs,” and there is talk of prototyping and limited run production, but this is of course top secret and the facts of it are unknown. There are also rumors of field testing on colony planets such those on the frontier.
As these aircraft constantly possessed maneuverability surpassing the mainstream fighters of the UN Spacy at all times, they were called VF-killers. It is also said that the SV in SV development division is Slayer of VF or Slayer of Valkyrie.
If the VFs made by Shinsei Industry are the yang, then the VFs made by General Galaxy as their yang counterparts could be said to have made great contributions to improving each other’s and all of the galaxy’s VF technology. Kurakin died in 2036, but up until then he personally led the development of a new fighter (what became the VF-9 Cutlass). And even now General Galaxy is continuing to produce VF-Killers.
Well with the VF-4 even considered not to include the transforming feature was mentioned once before. Kurakin and Federov are like the main timeline counterparts to Dr. H. Takachihoff who founded Takachihoff Company in the Macross II timeline.
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Can someone clarify for me, which class of variable fighter is the one that the NUN Spacy uses in episode 1, 4, 6, etc.? The one with the solid brown coloration.
Gravitas Free Zone
2016-12-17, 17:55
That's the VF-171 (http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/vf-171.htm), aka "The thing that doesn't look so special so the bad guys can blow up a ton of them." They were teal in Frontier.
That's the VF-171 (http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/vf-171.htm), aka "The thing that doesn't look so special so the bad guys can blow up a ton of them." They were teal in Frontier.
Although their specs were supposed to be pretty damn good. :heh:
- Tak
What are the main protagonist fighter classes in the series prior to Delta?
What are the main protagonist fighter classes in the series prior to Delta?
Depends what you put on it. They are all commonly designated as space superiority 'Variable Fighters', but equipment and accessories make a big difference. For example, some come with heavy support weapons, others are dedicated to recon and they can be interchanged.
There had been one dedicated ground-support VF I can recall, that being the VA-3M Invader.
- Tak
That's not what I meant. I mean which variable fighter class is the primary one used by the male protagonist pilot and/or his squadmates in each series?
That's not what I meant. I mean which variable fighter class is the primary one used by the male protagonist pilot and/or his squadmates in each series?
When you say 'class', you are asking what they are designed for or designation. Since thats not the case, I am going to assume you are inquiring about numerical designations.
VF-1 in Super Dimension Fortress Macross
YF-19 & YF-21 in Macross Plus
VF-11, VF-19 & VF-19 in Macross 7
VF-25, VF-27 & VF-29 in Macross Frontier
- Tak
What, so you're telling me that it's wrong to say "Star Trek's Constitution class" or Star Wars's Acclamator class"?
What, so you're telling me that it's wrong to say "Star Trek's Constitution class" or Star Wars's Acclamator class"?
First of all, you listed two examples that aren't fighters. Second, I had no idea what you were asking. Nobody use 'class' to designate fighters, except maybe medium, light, heavy, interceptor, air-superiority, ground-support... etc. But I've yet to hear something akin to 'Fighting Falcon'-class multirole fighter aka F-16. Hell, even in Star Wars, a X-Wing is just that, a X-Wing 'interceptor'.
If you are wondering about similar class designation, then they are also present for Macross capital ships, but there aren't any for fighters. Now, if you want specific nomenclature, then there is that.
- Tak
ReddyRedWolf
2016-12-19, 22:48
Goodness General Galaxy is the Anaheim Electronics of the Macross setting.
Sketchley's Translations: Great Mechanics G 2016 Summer ('http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/OTgreatMechanics/GMg2016smmr.php')
The Secret Story Of The Draken III's Creation
Sv-262Hs Draken III
The Variable Fighter used by the Windermere Kingdom. For its development, the Sv-262 has roots in the Sv-51, and the Sv-262's originated in the participation of engineers that were descended from the Anti-Unification Alliance - which despite being defeated in the Unification War, was proud of its great technological strength. For that reason, one can perceive a development ideology that clearly differentiates it from the other Valkyries in the Draken III. A commander Hs model and a general Ba model exist.
Liner Notes VF History translated by Wakusei from Macross World
Alexi Kurakin
Fortunately for humanity, the leader of the VF-4 project, Alexi Kurakin, miraculously survived the interstellar war. Kurakin was the man who led the VF-4 project from start to finish, but he had once been a member of the ASS-1 survey team and later developed the SV-51 variable fighter under the Anti-Unification Alliance. However, he had been simply working under the powers in control of his motherland and not out of any political ideology.
The SV-51 was considered to possess performance equivalent to the VF-0 or better in certain conditions and greatly impacted development of the VF-1. After making the SV-51, he defected to the UN government. Under the United Nations military prior to Space War 1, Kurakin worked as a civilian engineer in the VF-1’s development, after which he became a contracted employee of Stonewell Belcom, where he suddenly was left in charge of the VF-4 project. This was of course because they recognized his ability in the creation of the SV-51 which had rivaled the VF-0 in performance.
A development division and factory for the VF-4 project were built on South Ataria, and when a section and work space were set up inside the SDF-1 Macross, Kurakin assigned his deputy chief, who could be called his right hand, to lead the section while he would work on the island. The section chief was Oleg Fedorov, who traveled with the SDF-1 in its so-called journey back to Earth.
On the day of the SDF-1 Macross’ launching ceremony and the attack on South Ataria by Britai’s fleet, Federov witnessed the activation of the SDF-1’s booby trap while attending the ceremony and immediately went to inspect his section in the ship. The SDF-1 then executed a space fold, and Federov and the other engineers who escaped no longer had the luxury to carry out their research and were tasked with maintenance, repair, and upgrading of the VF-1 squadrons. The valuable findings they gained from handling actual combat aircraft proved to be invaluable in later upgrades to the VF-1 and tactical analysis and would be passed on to the VF-4 project, needless to say.
On the day the SDF-1 folded out, Kurakin, also at the ceremony, avoided catastrophe by boarding a transport plane or helicopter escaping from the island. He was taken in by a nearby UN Navy carrier and changed his base of operations to work on the VF-4 project. He was based at the Grand Cannon in Alaska but luckily for him he was moved to the Apollo base with a test model right before the battle against the Bodol main fleet. Having survived Space War 1, he was directly commissioned by the UN Spacy to continue work on the VF-4 project. This was because the competing VF-3 Project was lost along with its staff due to the attack by the Bodol main fleet, and the survivors of the original VF-1 development team had their hands full with improving the VF-1. Federov also joined his project.
Through part of the development of the VF-4 series, Kurakin sought to achieve an airframe that surpassed the VF-1 in aerial maneuverability. To do that he even thought that transformation was unnecessary, but it wasn’t that he dismissed the idea. As evidence to that, for all models he made prototypes that could transform. He had later said, “The VF’s transformation is like a sudden mutation in the genes of an organism and if used in the right manner it could break stalemates or snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. I hoped it would serve as a catalyst in extend the conscious of a pilot." Kurakin himself had developed the SV-51 before the interstellar war and could not have anticipated the full scope of the transforming ability of the VF. He hoped that the added functionality to the fighter aircraft would create something that surpassed the expectations of its designers, and that it would be created by pilots placed in extreme situations. The fact of the matter is that there had been numerous reports of dramatic comebacks in situations where transformation was used by some skilled VF-1 pilots, and it was by reflecting those lessons learned in combat to the whole that the VF gained superiority over all else as a tactical weapon used by individuals. This is ultimately due to such possibilities and versatility being incorporated since the birth of the VF, but Kurakin’s genius was that he had implemented these uncertain factors while presenting a convincing and concrete argument to get permission for development from the military.
However there was a reason why even Kurakin had to give up on adding the transforming mechanism to the VF-4. The transforming mechanism of the VF-4 was excluded due to constraints that prevented sufficient enough time to be allocated to R&D and also because he was in agreement with the UN Spacy, which desired a fighter that would be easier to achieve flying qualifications for than the transformable VF-1 in order to get as many pilots into combat as possible. As a result, the VF-4 in all of its variations came to have specs surpassing the VF-1 and had the high evaluation of surpassing the VF-1 in operating rates and maintainability. After development of the VF-4, Kurakin did not join Shinsei Industries but created General Galaxy, and though the number of models that did end up being mass produced were few, he did create many excellent variable fighters.
Kurakin foresaw that with humanity’s sudden emergence into galactic space, it would be fighting against humanity that would escalate more than that against Zentradi. The main weapon in a war of humans versus humans would be the VF. Kurakin set up the SV design division as a special development team in General Galaxy. The SV design division worked on designs of “anti-VF VFs,” and there is talk of prototyping and limited run production, but this is of course top secret and the facts of it are unknown. There are also rumors of field testing on colony planets such those on the frontier.
As these aircraft constantly possessed maneuverability surpassing the mainstream fighters of the UN Spacy at all times, they were called VF-killers. It is also said that the SV in SV development division is Slayer of VF or Slayer of Valkyrie.
If the VFs made by Shinsei Industry are the yang, then the VFs made by General Galaxy as their yang counterparts could be said to have made great contributions to improving each other’s and all of the galaxy’s VF technology. Kurakin died in 2036, but up until then he personally led the development of a new fighter (what became the VF-9 Cutlass). And even now General Galaxy is continuing to produce VF-Killers.
What is the Sv-262 Draken III?
A variable fighter used by the Aerial Knights of the Kingdom of Windermeria.
Its roots can be traced back to the Unification War some 60 years ago.
Alexei Kurakin who headed the development of the SV-51 in the same era would later found General Galaxy. He predicted that that there would not only be fighting against Zentradi and humanity but amongst humanity and so he set up SV Works within General Galaxy for the purpose of always developing a VF that could always compete against the latest VF.
SV stands for Slayer Valkyrie or Slayer VF; in other words, it is an anti-VF VF.
Afterwards, Belger Stone of the Epsilon Foundation, who was interested in the high specs of the Sv-154 developed by SV Works, transferred ownership of the entirety of SV Works to the Dian Cécht Company, a subsidiary company under Epsilon.
The Sv-262 which was developed so as to also meet the demands of Windermere, is a state of the art variable fighter produced by SV Works.
It was designed as an interceptor and for base defense and exhibits incredible climb rate, acceleration, and mobility, but the amount of internal propellant it can hold is low and its range outside of the atmosphere is limited
The greatest feature of the fighters built for the aerial knights is the reheat system which is equipped with fold quartz excavated from the Protoculture ruins of Windermere. It is a device that is based on the same principle as the fold wave system but it is mainly purposed for overboosting, and while it does have fold wave relay and amplification functions, they are limited.
Sketchley's Translations: Macross Chronicle Revised Ed. - Mechanic: Other UN 04B: Variable Guraaji / Neo Guraaji ('http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/MCRmechanic/Other04bVariableGuraajiNeoGuraaji.php')
Variable Glaug
A Zentraadi one-man Glaug Battle Pod aircraft development series. In the same way as the Variable Fighters in the Earth side, it transforms to the three forms of Fighter, GERWALK, and Battroid. Even though it's said to have been a weapon that a Zentradi Insurrection Element developed with obtained Earth technology, its details are unknown. It was invested into action when the Anti Unification Power conducted terrorist activities against the Development Experiment Facilities on planet Cristrania, and it fought against the Dancing Skull Special Forces Unit. After the battle, it turned out that Moaramia Jifon, the person, the restrained person that boarded the aircraft, was a 6-year old Zentradi girl. After that, she was accepted as the adopted child of husband and wife Max and Milia of the Dancing Skull Unit, and she also became a team member of that same unit. Although the original Variable Glaug had a Zentradi size cockpit, just like the archetype craft, when Moaramia -who husband and wife Max [and Milia] took care of- received Miclonization, the Variable Glaug was improved to an aircraft with an Earthling-sized cockpit. In addition, it later became clear that Moaramia was an experimental body for the analysis of the Zentradi factor, which was conducted by the insurrection organization. [Source: Macross M3]*
Neo-Glaug
An aircraft that is considered to have been a Zentradi "Glaug" Battle Pod -which were recovered by the Unified Forces after the First Interstellar War- that was studied and improved upon by the technology of the Earth side. Although the exterior and transformation mechanism are both basically shared with the Variable Glaug, the relationship between both aircraft is unknown (it's likely that the Variable Glaug is considered to be an aircraft based on the Neo-Glaug that was improved upon by the Anti Unification Power. There's also a rumour that Sharon Apple hacked it, and it fought against the YF-19 in the Sharon Apple Incident in 2040. [Source: Macross Plus -Game Edition-]*
Sketchley's Translations: Macross Chronicles Revised Ed. - Mechanic: Other 10B: Vanquish Race Related Aircraft ('http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/MCRmechanic/Other10bVanquishRaceRelatedValkyrie.php')
Neo Glaug
The aircraft that Naresuwan, the commander of Fasces, boards. It has a complicated origin where it is said that it was based on a Variable Battle Pod, which was developed with the VF technology that the Lost Zentradi gathered after the First Interstellar War, and was completed by the Macross Concern. The Neo Guraaji has both the advantages of a VF, and the high-maneuverability and great fire power of the Glaug.
Macross The Ride Translations (2011.01 ~ 2011.12) ('http://nomansland.site.nfoservers.com/MRG-Active-Archive//forums/index.php?topic=2667.msg42833#msg42833')
VBP-1/VA-110 Neo-Glaug
Specs
Model Designation: VBP-1/VA-110
Classification: Variable Battle Pod
Attached to: Earth Main Planetary Fleet "Fasces"
Design: Macross Combine / General Galaxy / New Nile Armoury
Manufacturing: Protodeviln Automated Arsenal
Empty Weight: 27,500 kg
Engine: Roicommi / General Galaxy Thermonuclear Converter FC-2450?
Airframe Explanation
VBP-1/VA-110 Neo Glaug
A variable battle pod that's based on the EVA (Enemy Valkyrie, Enemy Variable Fighter) that was developed by use of the Earth side's technology which was leaked to the lost Zentradi in the latter half of the 2010s. The Neo Glaug is an EVA that the Macross Combine completed while taking in the design of such things as the VF-4 Lightning; the EVA having not achieved the rebirth of high-performance Glaug.
This craft, which was developed as one of the candidates for the AVF Plan, has had high-manoeuvrability and a large quantity of fire power handed over to it, additional speed in fighter form, and has perfect performance in hand-to-hand combat in GERWALK* due to a pin-point barrier and strengthened SWGA. And even though it has been assigned the dogfighting abilities of such things as the VF-19 and VF-22, it has earned a favorable reputation among Zentraadi soldiers as a powerful heavy attack craft. It has excellent electronic warfare functions, and is able to control both the QF-3000 and QF-4000 Ghost fighters.**
However, from the consideration of that high-performance, the cockpit is extremely narrow, and although it is for the Zentradi, it's said that unless the pilot is a Meltrandi with a small physique, the true specifications won't be pulled out of the airframe. Even though a micron-use airframe also exists as the VA-110, as it has a design who's prerequisite is the Zentradi health-function feedback, it is hard to say that it could perfectly reproduce the Neo-Glaug's fighting abilities. Most of the craft deployed to "Fasces" are preferentially deployed to Zentradi soldiers who adore Naresuan.**
YF-27-5 Shaher Femail Airframe Explanation
The YF-27-5 was developed by Macross Galaxy Fleet's Variable Fighter Development Arsenal "Guld Works", based on the YF-24 Evolution, as one of the prototype's of the new model Variable Fighter VF-27 "Lucifer". It has a wing-shape which is close to the YF-24's wing-shape.
This craft is a development type that is directly descended from the VF-22, and in a control system that evolved from the BDI (Brain Direct Image) System, achieves completely implanted control by adopting controls that are directly connected to the brain. Moreover, because this is a technology-proving craft, it is not equipped with ISC as the engine output is not secure.
In addition to the use of visual stealth for secret missions and so-called optical camouflage in the armour, dazzle camouflage has been applied in order to misidentify the YF-27-5's direction of travel.
The BGP-02?, which is the characteristic armament, is the large edition of the BGP-01? and is suspended and used under the right wing, because it cannot be maintained in the lower part of the aircraft. There is a reactor energy unit dedicated to the BGP-02? suspended on the left wing to maintain balance.
This craft was put into the black operations of the Galaxy Company and took in a large amount of combat data for "Guld Works". This same company is said to have developed a mass-production craft who's degree of completion by illegal means is high. Even though they cannot be proud of compliments on their technique, when the perfection of the VF-27 was seen afterwards, their technique must have been effective.
Spec:
Model Number: YF-27-5
Classification: Variable Fighter
Attached to: General Galaxy Corporate Martial Special Processing Section
Design: General Galaxy Variable Fighter Development Arsenal "Guld Works"
YF-27-5 Shaher ♀ (Female)
One of the prototypes of the new model VF-27, that the Macross Galaxy Fleet Variable Fighter Development Arsenal "Guld Works" developed. The wing shape is close to that of the YF-24. As a variant directly descended from the VF-22, in addition to a control system that evolved from the BDI System, it uses directly brain control by Implant Technology.
Down: In order to collect data, it "intruded" into the "Celestial Cup", and challenged the Vanquish racers to hand-to-hand combat.
Queadluun-Alma - Macross Compendium ('http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Queadluun-Alma')
[B]Queadluun-Alma
From Macross Compendium
Program
Designer: Quimeliquola 74710020692nd Zentradi F.A.W.D.P/General Galaxy
Equipment Type: Battle Suits
Affiliation: FASCES
One of the high-end models of the Queadluun-series which was designed by Quimeliquola Arsenal during the Stellar Republic dissolution conflict. Although it was considered to have been designed for the fleet commander of the female officers' fleet for the front lines, most of the records were lost so this is not certain.
The super high-maneuverability missile launchers is the similar to the main equipment of the Queadluun-Rau, but the load capacity is 4-times greater due to the enlarged backpack. In addition, the arm pulse laser guns have such a high output that it can penetrate the anti-beam-coated armor on a VF-171 Nightmare Plus ('http://macross.anime.net/wiki/VF-171_Nightmare_Plus'), if was equipped with it.
The design, developed by Earth engineers who defected to rogue Zentradi who designed the Feious Valkyrie ('http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Feious_Valkyrie'), incorporated the technology from the enemy Valkyrie with the Queadluun-Rau and it has a variable function to a high-speed flight form.
The ether wave emitted by the remains of the Protodeviln ('http://macross.anime.net/w/index.php?title=Protodeviln&action=edit&redlink=1'), is used by Angers 672 ('http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Angers_672') through the astral world and the system to create a physical force field barrier is incorporated which could theoretically endue a direct hit from a Macross Cannon. It is unknown whether or not this inherent feature was originally provided in this system.
Feious Valkyrie - Macross Compendium ('http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Feious_Valkyrie')
Feious Valkyrie
From Macross Compendium
Program
Type: all-regime variable fighter, two confirmed modes (Fighter and Battroid).
Equipment Type: Variable Vehicles
Government: Zentradi ('http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Zentradi')
Codename (UN ('http://macross.anime.net/w/index.php?title=UN&action=edit&redlink=1')): Enemy Valkyrie, EVA, Zentradi Variable Device
In 2030 November, several Zentradi elements revolted on Earth, culminating in the Second [Defensive] Battle of Macross City. During these incidents, former Zentradi soldiers (which had earlier deserted the 63254109th Zentradi Outer Space Army) captured a VF-X-11 equipped with a fold booster. Thereafter, UN pilots began reporting sightings of a previously unknown variable combat device. This device, which they codenamed "Enemy Valkyrie" or "EVA" (pronounced "i-va"), shocked the United Nations Forces with its speed, power, and transformability. It incorporated the UN Forces' variable fighter technology with the Zentradi Army's powered suit technology, and its capabilities appear to approach, if not exceed, those of the UN's VF-19 and VF-22. This was also the personal mecha of the Black Rainbow terrorist organization leader, Timoshie Daldanton ('http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Timoshie_Daldanton').
Basically enemy VFs with exception of Protodevlin redesigned ones can be attributed one way on another to General Galaxy field testing them on frontier planets by leaking to Anti-UN groups who then leak them to Lost Zentradi. Started by the designer of the Sv-51 himself. His SV Works had a hand with the Variable Glaug used by Anti-UN Zentradi, Sv-154 Svard and Sv-262 Draken III. Highly suspect with the Feious Valkyrie too as General Galaxy employed their engineers to the Queadluun Alma. The General Galaxy branch Guld Works on Macross Galaxy developed the YF-27, prototype of the VF-27, field testing it by attacking a VF race. Macross Galaxy illegally massed produced the VF-27 without informing Earth or NUNS Central used in their bid to take over the Galaxy. It isn't just VF but also a Zentradi battlesuit, Queadluun Alma. General Galaxy built the Queadluun Rhea and given the parts compatibility the Super Glaug and Type-106 Regult. Makes you wonder if General Galaxy produced the battlesuits seen only in Macross Plus OVA episode 1.
The difference being of course, that General Galaxy more or less does this in the open... :heh:
- Tak
Is the Macross Elysion the same size as the Macross Quarter? And a different size as Battle Frontier, Battle Galaxy, and Battle 7?
Is the Macross Elysion the same size as the Macross Quarter? And a different size as Battle Frontier, Battle Galaxy, and Battle 7?
When they are in assault mode.
Macross Elysion
Height: 828 meters
Macross Quarter
Height: 316 meters
Macross Galaxy
Height: 1186 meters
Macross Frontier
Height: 1186 meters
Macross 7
Height: 1177 meters.
- Tak
https://clubotakublogblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/macross-frontier-yf-29/
Will someone remind me if and when the YF-29 was used in Frontier? I'm drawing a blank looking at this model.
HirouKeimou
2017-02-05, 16:43
https://clubotakublogblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/macross-frontier-yf-29/
Will someone remind me if and when the YF-29 was used in Frontier? I'm drawing a blank looking at this model.
2nd Movie, Alto's.
In the 2nd half of the movie, after S.M.S. is flying solo.
ReddyRedWolf
2017-02-06, 08:32
Interesting in keeping up with metafiction Macross Delta suggest Frontier TV events but movie mechanics with the YF-29. Much like Macross 7 it seems operating on TV series story but DYRL visuals.
Fiction within fiction means they can use whatever they want from past stories without having to explain contradictions. It's a smooth cop-out and the very least of the issues Macross has.
ReddyRedWolf
2017-05-01, 00:50
While looking over the Macross tech glossary in Japanese wikipedia I found this.
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Thermonuclear reaction system
Gravity control technology etc. introduced in conventional nuclear reaction theory. It is widely used for power of ships and destroyed (thermonuclear reactor), thrust of aircraft (thermonuclear turbine engine), weapons (reactive bullet) and so on.
Thermonuclear reactor
It is widely adopted as a large output power engine of race derived from protoculture such as Zentoradi and inspector troops as well as human being who investigated the crashed macross and commercialized the reactor ( nuclear fusion reactor ).
Thermonuclear turbine engine
Small nuclear power propulsion engine using nuclear fusion (Thermo-Nuclear Reactor Turbine Engine) installed in VF series etc. The propellant (propellant) is heated and expanded by the thermal energy of the reactor ( nuclear fusion reactor ) and injected as a high temperature plasma flow to obtain thrust.
The advantages compared with conventional jet engines are
It can be used in all areas as a jet engine in the atmosphere and as a rocket engine outside the atmosphere without changing the engine just by replacing the propellant.
Compared with conventional chemical fuel, consumption of reactant (nuclear fuel) is extremely small, so the in-cylinder fuel space is greatly reduced and deformation mechanism can be introduced.
Since it is possible to compress the inexhaustible air in the atmosphere and use it for the propellant, it adds to the reason of 2 and in effect obtains an infinite cruising distance.
The initial type thermonuclear turbine engine mounted on the VF - 1 was not much different from the jet engine in terms of thrust. In addition, although capacity shortage of propellant (hydrogen compound) outside the atmosphere was a problem, these were solved by booster and additional equipment (FAST pack) which also serves as a tank increasing tank. In the next- generation thermionic nuclear burst turbine engine (Thermo-Nuclear Reactor burst Turbine Engine) mounted on the VF-16, the theory of heat exchange has advanced, the propellant consumption rate outside the atmosphere has been greatly improved, Nearly doubled. This made it possible to break through the Atmosphere by itself and Space Cruise without FAST pack. In the early 2050's, the " Stage II thermonuclear turbine engine " with a high output distinct from conventional engines appears [6] . The enormous surplus output of this Stage II engine made it possible to install more powerful beam weapon as standard, to develop energy conversion armor and pinpoint barrier in all forms.
Okay to achieve nuclear fusion they use Gravity manipulation. Frak no wonder they went from a clean nuke to a black hole bomb.
How many Macross class ships have been seen on screen? These are the ones I have managed to find information on.
Built by the Supervision Army
SDF-1 Macross (Super Dimension Fortress Macross et al.)
First mass production type
SDFN-4 Macross Global (seen in Macross Frontier)
Unnamed Macross class ship on Uroboros in Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy
New Macross battleships
Battle 1 (glimpsed in Macross 7)
Battle 5 (glimpsed in Macross 7)
Battle 7 (mainstay of Macross 7)
Battle 11 (not seen but presumably exists in Macross Frontier)
Battle 13 (seen in VF-X2)
larger New Macross battleships
Battle 21 aka Battle Galaxy (seen in Macross Frontier)
Battle 25 aka Battle Frontier (mainstay of Macross Frontier)
Macross Quarter type
Macross Quarter (mainstay of Macross Frontier)
at least 5 seen in Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa
later mass production type
SDF/C-108 Macross Elysion (mainstay of Macross Delta)
ReddyRedWolf
2017-05-01, 08:05
How many Macross class ships have been seen on screen? These are the ones I have managed to find information on.
Built by the Supervision Army
SDF-1 Macross (Super Dimension Fortress Macross et al.)
First mass production type
SDFN-4 Macross Global (seen in Macross Frontier)
Unnamed Macross class ship on Uroboros in Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy
New Macross battleships
Battle 1 (glimpsed in Macross 7)
Battle 5 (glimpsed in Macross 7)
Battle 7 (mainstay of Macross 7)
Battle 11 (not seen but presumably exists in Macross Frontier)
Battle 13 (seen in VF-X2)
larger New Macross battleships
Battle 21 aka Battle Galaxy (seen in Macross Frontier)
Battle 25 aka Battle Frontier (mainstay of Macross Frontier)
Macross Quarter type
Macross Quarter (mainstay of Macross Frontier)
at least 5 seen in Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa
later mass production type
SDF/C-108 Macross Elysion (mainstay of Macross Delta)
The on on Ouroboros is named SDFN-08 Vrlithwai Kridanik it is also called Vrlithwhai City. From Macross E Delta prequel one SDFN on the colonized planet Pipure.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/3_zpslnzsqqca.jpg
This one from Macross VF-X2 prologue.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/PlayStation%20-%20Macross%20VF-X2%201999%20Part%201-2%20-%20DASH.mp4_snapshot_03.01_2014.03.25_21.03.53_zps jlh5qdse.jpg
These fleet in the Macross Frontier prologue.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/NMC.jpg~original
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Island_cluster.jpg
Mentioned in other media.
Macross 4 (VF-X2 colonized Sephira)
Macross 9 (Macross Generation drama cd)
Macross Two-Nine (29) (Macross Musiculture play)
SMS Macross Quarter Class Crazy Horse ship where Isamu is assigned.(Wings of Goodbye novelization)
SMS Macross Quarter Class Enlightenment assigned to Planet Zola. (Nyan Dora Drama CD)
SMS Macross Quarter Class 17 assigned to Macross 17 Fleet. (Wings of Goodbye movie)
SMS Macross Quarter Class 23 assigned to Macross 23 Fleet. (Wings of Goodbye movie)
Fleets mentioned in Macross VF Master File including SMS Macross One Third. Note VF Master File calls the Macross Elysion a Macross Two Third class.
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Fleet that appears in related media
Macross Olympian Fleet
Fleet dealt with in "Variable fighter master file VF - 25 Messiah new savior". In the world of works 2065, the same book will be published by the Macross Broadcasting Publication Olympia Fleet Section Branch [39] .
Ultra long-distance immigration fleet sailing with the Macross-Galaxy fleet and the Macross Frontier fleet aiming for the center of the galaxy. It is unknown which planet it departed from, and what the next immigrant fleet, whether it is a new macross class if totaled.
The positional relationship is about to follow the 500 light years behind the Frontier fleet on the same line (as of December 2056) [40] .
In 2053, the newly consolidated government decided to grant YF-24 evolution related technology to the three fleets of frontier, Olympia and Galaxy heading towards the habitat of Bajula, called "triangle plan" A new variable fighter development plan will be undertaken [41] . The development number of YF - 25 to the frontier fleet, YF - 26 to the Olympia fleet and YF - 27 to the Galaxy fleet is given, but the Olympia fleet is to study over technology from Protocultural ruins rather than development of the Bajula airframe It is said that he was showing interest in YF-26, and will collaborate with the frontier fleet and YF-25 [42] .
In 2054, we discovered the planet Gainos 3 in the Gainos star system in the M28 globular clusters and exploited the terraforming of about 10 years for the purpose of replenishing resources and making it a point of contact with Earth as a relay point. . VF - 25 will be introduced to the defense of the planet [43] .
In the novel " Macross the Ride " set in 2058, Bunkish race is done as well as Frontier fleet and Galaxy fleet, Glen Eckner becomes champ.
In 2064, the author of the article "Sword Dancer" in "Variable Fighter · Master File VF - 25 Messiah" sent SMS pilot, Captain Sayuki Sayon (pseudonym used in SMS) to teach VF - 25 Squadron, Interview with [44] . In the same year, Sheryl Nome temporarily occupies the Olympia fleet [45] .
CVR-630 Cavour
Gwang Tanamo class space aircraft carrier belonging to the Macross Olympian fleet escort fleet. VF - 25 is deployed as a shipboard machine, and SQ - 522 Stampede Sanders etc are organized flying squads.
Macross One Tard
The flagship of the SMS Olympia Fleet Chapter. There is a teaching team "Bunishers" consisting of ace selected from each SMS branch.
Macross Valiant fleet
The fleet that appears in the article "Lost Children" (96 - 101) in "Variable Fighter Master File VF - 25 Messiah New Savior".
The 46 th long distance immigration fleet. It is unknown which planet it departed from. It consists of about 900 vessels, including factory ships, environmental ships and escort fleets, with the main island including flagship macross varied as the lead.
About 20 years after departure September 2061, while sailing the Galaxy Perseus arm along the galactic circumference, confirm the existence of the island fleet of the Zentlady army fleet at the position of about 4 million kilometers ahead. At that time President Lazarus Hayden decided to fold after 72 hours. At the same time, the special ship CV - 455 Barbarossa with its planet megara as its home port will be sent to investigate and grasp the route information of the main fleet. According to Barbarossa's findings, a fold will be held at noon on September 13, but the 97th environmental ship Sentosa will deform in the midst of the backbone fleet due to some trouble. Although it is judged to be abandoned for security reasons, Barbarossa succeeds in rescuing 1200 passengers passengers with arbitrary motion, and Sentosa is extinguished by the MDE warhead to prevent giving information to the main fleet.
Macross Elant fleet
A fleet described on page 15, "Valiable Fighter Master File VF - 25 Messiah New Savior".
As it exists only in setting, neither the total or the new macross class, which ones are the super long-distance immigrant fleet and which planet it departed, is unknown.
CV-415 Ticonderoga
Macross Eland's defense ship.
Macross Odysseus Fleet
A fleet described on page 54 "Valiable Fighter Master File VF - 25 Messiah New Savior".
As it exists only in setting, neither the total or the new macross class, which ones are the super long-distance immigrant fleet and which planet it departed, is unknown.
CV-421 Academy
An escort ship of Macross Odysseus. There is a squadron named SVF-1202 Firebirds.
Macross Challenger Fleet
A fleet described on page 60, "Variable fighter master file VF - 25 Messiah new savior". In 2063 he discovered and settled the A-class habitable planet Carlis [46] .
As it exists only in setting, neither the total or the new macross class, which ones are the super long-distance immigrant fleet and which planet it departed, is unknown.
CV-482 Munitinia
An escort ship of Macross Challenger. There is an SVF - 640 Great Slashers squad who introduced VF - 25C.
The on on Ouroboros is named SDFN-08 Vrlithwai Kridanik it is also called Vrlithwhai City. From Macross E Delta prequel one SDFN on the colonized planet Pipure.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/Macross/3_zpslnzsqqca.jpg
Ah, thank you. It's so bloody hard to find information on Macross 30.
*middle finger at localization problems, mainly Harmony Gold*
ReddyRedWolf
2017-05-01, 11:40
Oh forgot there is a Battle 11 mentioned in Wings of Goodbye Novelization among the taskforce including Battle 7 and Macross 13 led by Kim Kabirov.
Oh forgot there is a Battle 11 mentioned in Wings of Goodbye Novelization among the taskforce including Battle 7 and Macross 13 led by Kim Kabirov.
Really? Members of Macross 7 are present in the final battle in a Frontier story?
What a contrast to FB7 where no one aboard Macross Frontier can ascertain the whereabouts of Macross 7 in 2059.
ReddyRedWolf
2017-05-05, 07:07
Really? Members of Macross 7 are present in the final battle in a Frontier story?
What a contrast to FB7 where no one aboard Macross Frontier can ascertain the whereabouts of Macross 7 in 2059.
In Macross the Ride which is set on 2058 a VF-19A race participant is said to be a frame from Project Fire which is Macross 7 government replacing their VF with VF-19 instead of YF-24 derivative.
If you'll notice in the music video Tousugeki Love Heart sung by Sheryl and Ranka Leon is making a call distressed by it.
Now NUNS may have kept some stuff classified like Protodelin being space vampires and Fire Bomber didn't really defeat them. In MD7 Liza a Zolan Galaxy Patrol militia pilot asked why Basara was on Zola and what is Sound Force doing there. The impression was Sound Force was super elite musical unit that defeated the Protodevlin.
Though personally I think politics is involved and Leon being essentially a corrupt political commissar sent by Earth may have something do with the info not being in Frontier's NUNS database that Luca accessed.
Rumor has it in Macross Chronicle's glossary Maria Fokina Barnrose, leader of Vindirance the pro-NUN faction of UN Spacy is actually Therese Jenius one of the twin daughters of Max and Milia. It is also said Max is a anti-Lactence supporter.
Lactence being a pro-Earth centrist conspiracy that want a centralized government by Earth over fleets and planets. This was after the UN decentralized to the NUN.
I imagine Leon having delusions of being a dictator doesn't like the Jenius clan and if he did succeed in his plan taking over the Vajra planet and having Fold Quartz monopolized Macross 7 would be one of his opposition.
Are these Epsilon-manufactured Windermerean ships the exact same classes as Macross Galaxy's as seen in Frontier or have there been any modifications?
http://ai.fancaps.net/galleries/Macross_Delta/ep19/Macross_Delta_Screenshot_0135.jpg
Kamijou Touma
2017-08-15, 17:13
I can see it in some ways but it is not really close.
http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/macross-quarter/macross-quarter-carrier.jpg
ArmorPilot
2018-12-24, 14:01
Are the Delta VFs considered to be that much of an upgrade over the VF-25 generation of machines? It seems like all they've done is upped the engine and beam power. There doesn't seem to be anything as revolutionary as being able to use Full-Armor mode in any transformation, or the Tornado pack which allowed 360 beam fire while in fighter mode.
The Durandal was a special anti Vajra unit with amped up salvaged fold quartz, but I'm not as familiar with what the newer ones do.
The VF-31 is an updated model to the VF-30 Durandal, which features internalized gunpods, internal support weapon systems, anti-ballistic arm-shield, enhanced pin-point barriers as well as Fold Quartz.
There is a misconception about the availability of Fold Quartz, which is indeed precious, but not uncommon. Artificial Fold Quartz also existed, and was first mentioned in Macross VFX-2 (set between 7 and Frontier).
- Tak
ArmorPilot
2018-12-26, 13:43
It seems like the VF-25 Generation was the big leap forward, while the 30s are more half-generation iterations on the same concept. The VF-22 and 19 were big jumps too, but never saw full scale production and remained "ace" units right?
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