Cars anyone?

[justinstrife]

Fastest I've ever driven was 160. Unfortunately there's not much for roads here where you can go much faster. I'd like to hit 200 at least once as I know the car can do it. :(

[Nightbat®]

Ahh, the joy of riding a bike

No climate control, no airbags, no A-frame, no impactzones, no windshield wipers, no powered windows, no powered steering, no powered amplifier, so no radio, no carkit, no ABS, EDS, TC, PWS, PMS, WTF, no cupholder, no children's seat, no trunk, no roof, no minibar, no nagging family that puke all over your interior or can't read a map, no whining navigation telling you to "Turn around, turn around!"

So what do I have?
The acceleration and braking power to get myself in big trouble
two small slabs of rubber on which all trust is placed, that only last for 8000km or so
Holes, dirt and diesel on roads
Top speed as high as the better sportscars, at just a fraction of the price
1000's of idiots on four wheels telling me "I didn't see you" because they were too busy with their climate control, radio, carkit, navigation and all other things that don't have shit to do with driving
(I've seen them shaving and reading newspapers while on the bloody road!)

...A deathwish

:D

[Haruka_Kitten]

Ahh, the joy of riding a bike

No climate control, no airbags, no A-frame, no impactzones, no windshield wipers, no powered windows, no powered steering, no powered amplifier, so no radio, no carkit, no ABS, EDS, TC, PWS, PMS, WTF, no cupholder, no children's seat, no trunk, no roof, no minibar, no nagging family that puke all over your interior or can't read a map, no whining navigation telling you to "Turn around, turn around!"

So what do I have?
The acceleration and braking power to get myself in big trouble
two small slabs of rubber on which all trust is placed, that only last for 8000km or so
Holes, dirt and diesel on roads
Top speed as high as the better sportscars, at just a fraction of the price
1000's of idiots on four wheels telling me "I didn't see you" because they were too busy with their climate control, radio, carkit, navigation and all other things that don't have shit to do with driving
(I've seen them shaving and reading newspapers while on the bloody road!)

...A deathwish

:D

My stepdad has one. He's a bit of a motorbike enthusiast . He has a Suzuki GSX650-F (something like that, I'm half asleep and can't be bothered getting out of bed to look).

[MitsubishiZero]

I still stand by what Jeremy Clarkson says: bikes will kill you one day.

I have respects for bikers and bikes, but I am not gonna get one. I am not going to travel faster than 40kmh without 4 wheels and some sheets of metal around me.

[0utf0xZer0]

My dad and cousin in laws' stories about their motorbike crashes - both caused by other drivers running stop signs - kind of turn me off the things despite thinking they're cool. I mean, as great as it is to have survived putting your head through the front passenger window of a Volkswagen van, I'd rather avoid the situation in the first place.

(BTW, said van was apparently driven by a priest.)

[Haruka_Kitten]

My friend said she once grabbed a stop sign and when the police were about to catch her, she shoved the sign at them and yelled "STOP!"

True true. It's great we survive the accident, but even better to not have had it in the first place.

[MitsubishiZero]

Now I think of it, which is better, left hand drive or right hand drive.

I don't know why I thought that, but I hate it when Americans say "lolololol their steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car....." Is LHD really that correct?

I don't know the true figures, but I think most of the world's population are right handed, meaning they use their right hand the most and thus it is the most sensitive. Then, Right hand drive seems to be a better choice since for example, in an emergency situation, you car is losing control, you can have your best controlling hand on the most important thing controlling the car, the steering wheel, and the other on the 2nd most important thing controlling the car, the gear knob. Being able to shift through gears to evade danger is very important (e.g. in snow, you need power at the right gear at the right time)........

Anyone agree with me?

[Armored Knight]

In my opinion, driving the car has no thing to do with being left handed or right handed in neither steering nor changing gears.

The real problem is the pedals. That's why they are always the same.

I think RHD cars' interior looks better.

[Haruka_Kitten]

In my opinion, driving the car has no thing to do with being left handed or right handed in neither steering nor changing gears.

The real problem is the pedals. That's why they are always the same.

I think RHD cars' interior looks better.

A study has, weirdly, proven that countries with RHD vehicles that drive on the left are less susceptible to accidents than the opposite sides. The leading claim is that because we are predominantly right-handed, we're right-eye dominant. We use that right eye to observe oncoming traffic. OTOH, the opposing side of driving requires the use of the so-called "weaker side". I have my doubts, but it sounds plausible.

[Nightbat®]

I still stand by what Jeremy Clarkson says: bikes will kill you one day.

I have respects for bikers and bikes, but I am not gonna get one. I am not going to travel faster than 40kmh without 4 wheels and some sheets of metal around me.

The problem today is that people have that sheetmetal around them
They are comfortable and safe in their own 'bubble'

Studies showed that convertible drivers are more aware of their surroundings (with the top down ofcourse)
simply because they're not 'sheltered'

[justinstrife]

A study has, weirdly, proven that countries with RHD vehicles that drive on the left are less susceptible to accidents than the opposite sides. The leading claim is that because we are predominantly right-handed, we're right-eye dominant. We use that right eye to observe oncoming traffic. OTOH, the opposing side of driving requires the use of the so-called "weaker side". I have my doubts, but it sounds plausible.

I must be a freak then because I'm definitely left eye dominant. :heh:

[Haruka_Kitten]

Maybe. I guess growing up in Australia, I'm used to being on the left side of the road. Other people on the other side are quite the opposite.

I dunno if I mentioned this, but it gets complicated when switching over between the 2. Almost all left-hand drive cars (even those produced in right-hand-drive countries like Australia) have the indicator stalks on the left, whereas for right hand drive, the location can be either. Japanese cars have it on the right, while most Mainland European cars (because they're LHD) have it on the left. This can confuse most people (especially us, as we have a Peugeot and a Toyota, and both have their indicators opposite each other. The mistake of using wipers is quite real in this house).

[Armored Knight]

Eye dominance increases the tendency to turn your head more even though you can still see the same thing with your non-dominant eye.

I have always thought it is funny to do that. I mean, you can still see the same thing, right? But it is not really that much faster to turn roll your non-dominant eye instead of turning your head to see with your dominant eye.

I have never thought of that while driving, but I always tend to roll my eyes.

[Armored Knight]

Honda extends airbag recall by 437,000 cars (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8507450.stm)

What's wrong with the major Japanese automobile manufacturers nowadays? I don't like that.

[Haruka_Kitten]

Honda extends airbag recall by 437,000 cars (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8507450.stm)

What's wrong with the major Japanese automobile manufacturers nowadays? I don't like that.

It gets much worse. Toyota is doing a mass recall of the Corolla 09-10 model. Apparently it's over the power steering mechanism.

[Armored Knight]

Power steering?! That's ridiculous :heh:. It is not like power steering is new technology or anything. It is much worse indeed.

[MitsubishiZero]

Japanese cars are going through a tough time now.........hope they survive....

Maybe it's time Chinese cars get a piece of the pie?

[Nightbat®]

What's wrong with the major Japanese automobile manufacturers nowadays?

When the going gets tough, the tough use cheaper materials

:D

[SirJeannot]

When the going gets tough, the tough use cheaper materials

:D

and shorten software test phases :o (not wordy game here, sorry :o )

[Haruka_Kitten]

You know the recall has reached just under 9million vehicles worldwide?

[mg1942]

What's wrong with the major Japanese automobile manufacturers nowadays?


In Toyota's case..... they overextended.

[Haruka_Kitten]

I've seen a Nissan Cube hanging around here. Really funky looking thing, reminds me of the Kia Soul.

[MitsubishiZero]

I've seen a Nissan Cube hanging around here. Really funky looking thing, reminds me of the Kia Soul.

You've got it the other way round. The Kia Soul is designed like a Cube to compete with the Cube. You saw the new one or the old one? I saw one just yesterday and I don't really like its front grill.....the indicators are behind the grill such that it's a bit weird.....

These boxy cars are very popular in Japan......there are small cars and K-cars which are styled like that.

[justinstrife]

The cube is one of the ugliest vehicles on the road. I'd sooner walk than be seen in public driving in one of them.

[MitsubishiZero]

The cube is one of the ugliest vehicles on the road. I'd sooner walk than be seen in public driving in one of them.

Well that's what you think. It's very popular with mods.....it looks great before and after modding. The styling is unconventional but not unacceptable.

Then how about the Scion xB? That is boxy too, is that ugly?

[justinstrife]

Well that's what you think. It's very popular with mods.....it looks great before and after modding. The styling is unconventional but not unacceptable.

Then how about the Scion xB? That is boxy too, is that ugly?

Yes but not as bad. Nowhere near as bad.

And define mod? Your idea of modding and mine, are vastly different I believe.

[MitsubishiZero]

Yes but not as bad. Nowhere near as bad.

And define mod? Your idea of modding and mine, are vastly different I believe.

2 kinds of modding. cosmetic and dynamic. I am referring to cosmetic in this case.

I believe many would beg to differ on your view that xB is an ugly car. I live in Canada so I don't see a lot of these cars (everybody is running round in boring piece of cheeses). However in the US many people love the xB. And other cars in Scion.

[Haruka_Kitten]

You've got it the other way round. The Kia Soul is designed like a Cube to compete with the Cube. You saw the new one or the old one? I saw one just yesterday and I don't really like its front grill.....the indicators are behind the grill such that it's a bit weird.....

These boxy cars are very popular in Japan......there are small cars and K-cars which are styled like that.

I don't know. It was white, and it had these blue-looking headlights. If it isn't parked in front of the elementary school the bus drives past, it's driving past me as a wait at the bus stop. In both cases, it's hard to get a decent picture of it.

[justinstrife]

2 kinds of modding. cosmetic and dynamic. I am referring to cosmetic in this case.

I believe many would beg to differ on your view that xB is an ugly car. I live in Canada so I don't see a lot of these cars (everybody is running round in boring piece of cheeses). However in the US many people love the xB. And other cars in Scion.

That has to do with 3 things.

1) Cost of the car(scions are very cheap compared to other vehicles to buy)
2) Fuel efficient
3) xB has alot of cargo room.

They were the first I believe to come out with that shape on that small a vehicle. Toyota did good with the scion brand reaching out to the young people. I think it had far less to do with looks than the three points I named when talking about the xB.

Yeah the cube and scions would have to be exterior mods considering what you're getting. My idea of modding is what's done to make the vehicle a better performer.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/FD/Picture001-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/Cars/1123081403a-1.jpg

At the height of my collection. 1200bhp between the three of them, and the 240sx was the most changed exterior wise(silvia front and Gram Light 5-spoke wheels otherwise stock down to the paint). Still have the C5 but sold the other two(I do want another FD though I miss mine :( ).

[MitsubishiZero]

That has to do with 3 things.

1) Cost of the car(scions are very cheap compared to other vehicles to buy)
2) Fuel efficient
3) xB has alot of cargo room.

They were the first I believe to come out with that shape on that small a vehicle. Toyota did good with the scion brand reaching out to the young people. I think it had far less to do with looks than the three points I named when talking about the xB.

Yeah the cube and scions would have to be exterior mods considering what you're getting. My idea of modding is what's done to make the vehicle a better performer.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/FD/Picture001-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/Cars/1123081403a-1.jpg

At the height of my collection. 1200bhp between the three of them, and the 240sx was the most changed exterior wise(silvia front and Gram Light 5-spoke wheels otherwise stock down to the paint). Still have the C5 but sold the other two(I do want another FD though I miss mine :( ).

Well I do get your point. Modding does consist of upgrading a car's dynamic abilities, but what I am saying is that some cars are better modding the non-dynamic parts, like the body kit or interior. They can be enjoyable and cool too. Of course, I understand how great it is to have your car perform better dynamically, but it shouldn't be the whole picture.

It seems to me you are much much older than I am. My ride? Buses. I don't even have a licence....

[Armored Knight]

but it shouldn't be the whole picture.
It depends on your taste and the types of cars you like, really.

IMO, performance upgrades come first. I am not keen on the idea of cosmetic modding, but I enjoy looking at modded cars.

Nice C5 justinstrife.

[justinstrife]

It depends on your taste and the types of cars you like, really.

IMO, performance upgrades come first. I am not keen on the idea of cosmetic modding, but I enjoy looking at modded cars.

Nice C5 justinstrife.

Thank you. It's my favorite of what I've owned. I've told my girlfriend she'll be getting it if we ever get married as I have my eyes set on getting a C6 Z06 in the future for track duty. :p

You guys don't even want to know how much money I've spent on cars in the past 7 years....

[Solafighter]

That has to do with 3 things.

1) Cost of the car(scions are very cheap compared to other vehicles to buy)
2) Fuel efficient
3) xB has alot of cargo room.

They were the first I believe to come out with that shape on that small a vehicle. Toyota did good with the scion brand reaching out to the young people. I think it had far less to do with looks than the three points I named when talking about the xB.

Yeah the cube and scions would have to be exterior mods considering what you're getting. My idea of modding is what's done to make the vehicle a better performer.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/FD/Picture001-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/Cars/1123081403a-1.jpg

At the height of my collection. 1200bhp between the three of them, and the 240sx was the most changed exterior wise(silvia front and Gram Light 5-spoke wheels otherwise stock down to the paint). Still have the C5 but sold the other two(I do want another FD though I miss mine :( ).

Dude, i havent read all yet, but your collection, is it these cars there?
If yes.. Omg thats amazing. :)
Respect. Where do you live, to take a better look on them? :D

[Armored Knight]

Thank you. It's my favorite of what I've owned. I've told my girlfriend she'll be getting it if we ever get married as I have my eyes set on getting a C6 Z06 in the future for track duty. :p

You guys don't even want to know how much money I've spent on cars in the past 7 years....
I can imagine how much you've spent. If you like cars, you should be willing to spend tenderly :p

I am going to buy a GT500 after 4-5 years. I don't think I will be able to afford one earlier than that. I would like to buy a Corvette, the C7 will probably be available by then. But my main concern the is price, prices are just increasing!. If anything goes wrong or buying the GT500 becomes impossible, I will probably buy a used C6 Z06 or C6 ZR1 because of their availability. The availability of the GT500 is another problem although it is cheaper than the Corvette. I would never buy a used GT500, either new or I will just have to wait more. Call me crazy: profiting Ford is more important than owning the car, but I can't profit them unless I buy :p. I am only willing to spend my money on Fords. The only non-Ford car I would like to buy the Corvette. I don't hate Camaros or GM, but Ford is the only car manufacturer that deserves my money and I am planning to work for them after graduating.

One of my friends is a Chevy fan (and calls himself antiFord at the same time :p). More than half of our arguments are Ford vs. Chevy, you can just imagine that :heh:.

BTW, I also love Chevy ;). In general, I am only interested in American cars, have little interest in Japanese cars and zero interest in European cars. I am so cheap I guess.

- Europeans_______Japanese___GM/Chrysler______________________________________Ford +

[SirJeannot]

huhuhu
this is a good start for an argument between car that can't take bends vs. the rest of the world :D

kidding ;)

one car i'd like to try, along with the latest gt-r, is the c6 zr1 to feel the madness :)
unfortunately, i haven't tried the best american cars... an impala lt v6 (dull) and a jeep gran thing modified for heavy offroad duty (dull but much funnier :D )

[justinstrife]

I can imagine how much you've spent. If you like cars, you should be willing to spend tenderly :p

I am going to buy a GT500 after 4-5 years. I don't think I will be able to afford one earlier than that. I would like to buy a Corvette, the C7 will probably be available by then. But my main concern the is price, prices are just increasing!. If anything goes wrong or buying the GT500 becomes impossible, I will probably buy a used C6 Z06 or C6 ZR1 because of their availability. The availability of the GT500 is another problem although it is cheaper than the Corvette. I would never buy a used GT500, either new or I will just have to wait more. Call me crazy: profiting Ford is more important than owning the car, but I can't profit them unless I buy :p. I am only willing to spend my money on Fords. The only non-Ford car I would like to buy the Corvette. I don't hate Camaros or GM, but Ford is the only car manufacturer that deserves my money and I am planning to work for them after graduating.

One of my friends is a Chevy fan (and calls himself antiFord at the same time :p). More than half of our arguments are Ford vs. Chevy, you can just imagine that :heh:.

BTW, I also love Chevy ;). In general, I am only interested in American cars, have little interest in Japanese cars and zero interest in European cars. I am so cheap I guess.

- Europeans_______Japanese___GM/Chrysler______________________________________Ford +


I like Mustangs too, but I'm a canyon carver and they're a bit too heavy for my driving. The 2011 GT500 is losing some weight and gaining power so that's appealing, but no independent rear end and heavy weight is a turn-off for me.

I do love my friend's '98 GT. MMR 4.6liter 2valve, Headers, Vortech T-Trim(with the race gears), T-56 6spd conversion, 3.73 rear end gears, and Saleen Body kit. My favorite mustang by far. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0rckwWPq8

The reason it's idle is crappy is because he just upgraded to the T-trim and hasn't had a chance to tune it yet. It made 471rwhp with an S-trim at 12 psi previously. We're hoping for 550rwhp on the T-trim with 14psi on 91 octane pump gas.

[MitsubishiZero]

Anyone seen the to-be-released Prius coupe? It looks quite promising, though I think it looks a bit too much like the CR-Z (competitor).
The Insight Type-S has turned out to be quite cool, getting some red badges and everything. The white paint and rims also help a lot.....
But what interests me the most is the possible successor to the Honda Beat. The design looks awesome and retains the originality of the old Beat, but I don't understand why does it have to be a turbo straight 2? Keep it NA, high revving, MR and light weight. By the time this car comes out, probably, I would be old enough to buy one. Not in the US, of course. The old Beat wasn't sold there and this one most likely to be JDM only. hehe. Note: Not the one in this pic:
http://www.fukenricen.ca/tag/kei-roadster/

[Armored Knight]

I like Mustangs too, but I'm a canyon carver and they're a bit too heavy for my driving. The 2011 GT500 is losing some weight and gaining power so that's appealing, but no independent rear end and heavy weight is a turn-off for me.

I do love my friend's '98 GT. MMR 4.6liter 2valve, Headers, Vortech T-Trim(with the race gears), T-56 6spd conversion, 3.73 rear end gears, and Saleen Body kit. My favorite mustang by far. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0rckwWPq8

The reason it's idle is crappy is because he just upgraded to the T-trim and hasn't had a chance to tune it yet. It made 471rwhp with an S-trim at 12 psi previously. We're hoping for 550rwhp on the T-trim with 14psi on 91 octane pump gas.
The independent rear suspension costs, like $3K at the moment. I hope it becomes available after 2 years at most. The Corvette is definitely a better car on the track and even the most powerful Mustangs aren't even comparable, but I love Mustangs for their iconic image, roaring sound, quality and affordability. There are many other reasons and you definitely know why Mustangs enthusiastic fans love those great cars ;)

I am happy because they gave the 2011 V6 and GT a bump in terms of power (and price of course XD) to fill in the gaps between the V6 and GT as well as the GT and the GT500 especially, thanks to GM and their V6 and V8 Camaros. I am waiting for the new Z28 though to see something that completes the missing chapter :)

Your friend's Mustang is very neat and gorgeous and still so powerful even without the 550rwhp. Good luck with the new tune. This kinda reminds me of one of my friend who wants to import a '98 Cobra form the US, I will speak with him about it when I meet him later.

[MitsubishiZero]

The independent rear suspension costs, like $3K at the moment. I hope it becomes available after 2 years at most. The Corvette is definitely a better car on the track and even the most powerful Mustangs aren't even comparable, but I love Mustangs for their iconic image, roaring sound, quality and affordability. There are many other reasons and you definitely know why Mustangs enthusiastic fans love those great cars ;)

I am happy because they gave the 2011 V6 and GT a bump in terms of power (and price of course XD) to fill in the gaps between the V6 and GT as well as the GT and the GT500 especially, thanks to GM and their V6 and V8 Camaros. I am waiting for the new Z28 though to see something that completes the missing chapter :)

Your friend's Mustang is very neat and gorgeous and still so powerful even without the 550rwhp. Good luck with the new tune. This kinda reminds me of one of my friend who wants to import a '98 Cobra form the US, I will speak with him about it when I meet him later.

Actually I don't quite understand. Why do American car companies seek more power by getting bigger litre engines rather than more sophisticated engine technology (that said, they still make less power than an IKEA chair) and suspensions we (the rest of the world) abandoned since the Romans arrived? The Mustang, the Camaro and those sort. Yes I know some of these cars now have independent suspensions (yezzz that'zz revolutionary!) but still, the other areas of these American sports car still lack the kind of urge to drive it you get when you see a European or Japanese sports car........

I am not a eco-mentalist. I just don't like black smoke coming out of cars because they damage my health. Those modded pickups in the USA all emit a big stream of black smoke as if they are spraying black paint, and yet their owners feel that's good that means the engines getting fed well.......I mean, why? Don't they feel something is wrong when they choke in the smoke?

[Nightbat®]

FYI "emmision regulations" cost more fuel than tuning the EFI to it's intended specs



as for the HP vs Lbs/ft discussion

Horsepower is what you read, torgue is what you feel
and for torgue there really is no replacement for displacement

[MitsubishiZero]

FYI "emmision regulations" cost more fuel than tuning the EFI to it's intended specs



as for the HP vs Lbs/ft discussion

Horsepower is what you read, torgue is what you feel
and for torgue there really is no replacement for displacement

now I have to admit I am not good in science, so i do not know exactly hp and torque work, but I believe it should be hp for top speed, torque for acceleration, correct me if i am wrong. Yes, displacements do give you more torque, diesels give you torque too. If they are after torque why not get turbo diesels, I am sure that gives you loads of torque. The big litre engines (here i refer to big litre per cylinder, and I consider any cylinder over 750cm3 a large one) have a common weakness of having a smaller range of revs available, so speed/throttle control is coarser than high-revving engines......HEMI is not groundbreaking technology (everybody is using it) and pushrods simply makes things worse......

Tell me, you seem to be a bike fan, do bikes pursue torque or hp for top speed or acceleration?

[justinstrife]

Actually I don't quite understand. Why do American car companies seek more power by getting bigger litre engines rather than more sophisticated engine technology (that said, they still make less power than an IKEA chair) and suspensions we (the rest of the world) abandoned since the Romans arrived? The Mustang, the Camaro and those sort. Yes I know some of these cars now have independent suspensions (yezzz that'zz revolutionary!) but still, the other areas of these American sports car still lack the kind of urge to drive it you get when you see a European or Japanese sports car........

I am not a eco-mentalist. I just don't like black smoke coming out of cars because they damage my health. Those modded pickups in the USA all emit a big stream of black smoke as if they are spraying black paint, and yet their owners feel that's good that means the engines getting fed well.......I mean, why? Don't they feel something is wrong when they choke in the smoke?
i've done the rotary and 2.0liter turbo high revving engines. I now only own V8 vehicles.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/C5%20Stuff/DSC00254.jpg

Take a look at the hp and torque under 3k rpms. Bigger engines give you that power. If I keep the car I have now, I will be going to an even larger engine to raise the entire powerband north. You don't have to rev to 5000+ rpms to make power with V8s. And you don't have to make 20+ lbs of boost to get over 500hp. They do it so easily.

You complain about the black smoke from pick-ups, but have you ever been around the imports that don't run catalytic converters? It'll make you sick. Especially the rotaries. With how loud and dirty those engines are. Bleh.

[MitsubishiZero]

i've done the rotary and 2.0liter turbo high revving engines. I now only own V8 vehicles.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/C5%20Stuff/DSC00254.jpg

Take a look at the hp and torque under 3k rpms. Bigger engines give you that power. If I keep the car I have now, I will be going to an even larger engine to raise the entire powerband north. You don't have to rev to 5000+ rpms to make power with V8s. And you don't have to make 20+ lbs of boost to get over 500hp. They do it so easily.

You complain about the black smoke from pick-ups, but have you ever been around the imports that don't run catalytic converters? It'll make you sick. Especially the rotaries. With how loud and dirty those engines are. Bleh.

yes, I fully understand your point there. low end power as important as high end power, but my point is these big litre engines have a smaller rev range, e.g. 6400rpm. Power is best spread through the rev band, and the more revs your car can give the better you can control the car's dynamics through the corners. Why the AE86 in Initial D has an advantage over that EK in some episode? The gearing, the braking are all changed by how the engine revs.

I am not referring to cars of big displacements.......I am referring to cars with big displacement per cylinder. That determines many things, and of course hp and torque.

Catalytic converters are not supposed to be taken away from the exhaust system. Fumes and noise straight out of any engine, no matter how good the engine is, are still annoying and dirty. That is why catalytic converters come in standard in cars long time ago. Diesels emit a certain amount of black smoke, no doubt about that, but those trucks are blowing thick black clouds like something's on fire.......

[justinstrife]

Please do not quote Initial D when talking about racing. It sounds all official and authentic, but every single car in that show has 2.6 liters or less of displacement. It is not suppose to be taken as an educational piece to prove one's point about cars, especially ones that were not made in Japan.

You really don't know anything about American cars. At all. Which is why I don't believe you should try comparing them. The Ls7 C6 Z06 engine revs to 7,000 rpms stock. The LS2/3/6 that's in the C5 Z06 and C6 rev to 6,500 rpms. This is just what they're set for at the factory. Once people start tuning the cars, they all bump the revs up. Mine was set at 6200 originally. It's now up to 6400. Ls7s are bumped up to 7400 rpms. That's 100 rpms less than what the SR20DET Nissan engine revs to!

A car does not have to rev to 8,000 rpms to be easily controllable in the corners. Why else are corvettes dominating almost all racing events here in America? They are doing it with pushrod V8s and leaf-spring technology.

I've been hitting the back mountain roads of San Diego for the past 7+ years. In anything from an AE86, S14, S13 with SR20 swap and coilovers, FD3S, and two different C5s(one automatic and one 6spd with a supercharger). The FD felt the best of all of the cars when it came to feeling like you were in a fighter jet. However my latest car is so much faster and controllable due to the fact that the transition into boost is so smooth. With turbocharged cars even twin turbo, the car's behavior changes once boost kicks in, that it can throw your car off in a dangerous way if you are in the middle of a turn.

And don't even get me started on the realities of the AE86. It really is a slow car. Fun, but slow. In everyway.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/Cars/0111061059-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/Cars/1223051436a-1.jpg

[Nightbat®]

Tell me, you seem to be a bike fan, do bikes pursue torque or hp for top speed or acceleration?

Divided camp

some swear to 4-in-lines and their horsies running
while others prefer the twins with their catapult acceleration out of corners


btw GP bikes ran on "Big bangs" where the 4 cilinders would be placed just behind eachother on the crank
resulting in almost simultanious ignition making it look more like single cilinder bikes
..also giving the torgue of a 0.8L single piston bike (with some high tech GP engineering tinkering added ofcourse)

[mg1942]

Actually I don't quite understand. Why do American car companies seek more power by getting bigger litre engines rather than more sophisticated engine technology (that said, they still make less power than an IKEA chair) and suspensions we (the rest of the world) abandoned since the Romans arrived?


We do have sophisticated technology. American auto parts supplier Delphi supplies Ferrari and other high-end cars with state of the art Magneride shock absorbers (http://www.autoblog.com/2006/04/29/ferrari-to-use-corvette-suspension-on-599-gtb-fiorano/) and engine mounts (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/11/delphi-develops-magneride-engine-mounts-for-porsche-911-gt3/) to Porsche.

When it comes to US cars, those so-called 'sophisticated engines' and other gimmicks are relegated to luxury cars like cadillac and buick. They are just as advanced as BMW, Lexus, Mercedes Benz and Honda/Acura. You won't see them in our sports cars like corvette because they're heavy and occupies more space in the engine bay.

Gov. Motors' high performance division seem to take a page out of 'Soviet' military/space/industrial engineering when it comes to manufacturing high performance engines. The similarity between them is that they both make very robust and durable platforms for mass production... at the expense of some refinement and lack of some fancy gadgets. SBC engines may be crude when you measure using the euro/jap benchmark of 'refinement' (low NVH), but when it comes to 'real' results (drag and track duty competition), you can't beat gasoline/petrol powered SBCs in power delivery, durability and price.


The Mustang, the Camaro and those sort. Yes I know some of these cars now have independent suspensions (yezzz that'zz revolutionary!) but still, the other areas of these American sports car still lack the kind of urge to drive it you get when you see a European or Japanese sports car........

The Detroit 2.5 has yet to fully master the art of 'compromise'. Some of their offerings seem to be one-dimensional. For example, when you ask Detroit 2.5 to make a vehicle that can comfortably seat 7... they make a friggin tank with no regard to safety of pedestrians and other vehicles (SUVs). When you ask them to make a sports car, end result is a car that's very competent in track & drag but lacking in refinement (by euro/jap standards).

[MitsubishiZero]

Please do not quote Initial D when talking about racing. It sounds all official and authentic, but every single car in that show has 2.6 liters or less of displacement. It is not suppose to be taken as an educational piece to prove one's point about cars, especially ones that were not made in Japan.

You really don't know anything about American cars. At all. Which is why I don't believe you should try comparing them. The Ls7 C6 Z06 engine revs to 7,000 rpms stock. The LS2/3/6 that's in the C5 Z06 and C6 rev to 6,500 rpms. This is just what they're set for at the factory. Once people start tuning the cars, they all bump the revs up. Mine was set at 6200 originally. It's now up to 6400. Ls7s are bumped up to 7400 rpms. That's 100 rpms less than what the SR20DET Nissan engine revs to!

A car does not have to rev to 8,000 rpms to be easily controllable in the corners. Why else are corvettes dominating almost all racing events here in America? They are doing it with pushrod V8s and leaf-spring technology.

I've been hitting the back mountain roads of San Diego for the past 7+ years. In anything from an AE86, S14, S13 with SR20 swap and coilovers, FD3S, and two different C5s(one automatic and one 6spd with a supercharger). The FD felt the best of all of the cars when it came to feeling like you were in a fighter jet. However my latest car is so much faster and controllable due to the fact that the transition into boost is so smooth. With turbocharged cars even twin turbo, the car's behavior changes once boost kicks in, that it can throw your car off in a dangerous way if you are in the middle of a turn.

And don't even get me started on the realities of the AE86. It really is a slow car. Fun, but slow. In everyway.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/Cars/0111061059-1.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/justinstrife/Cars/1223051436a-1.jpg

I know how unsafe my initial D quote is. And i know how the AE86 is in the real world. But the principle stands. I am not comparing turbo cars to NA cars, the turbo limits the revs. However I am not a racer so I cannot explain to you how revs are important. Guess I have to ask somebody more professional than I am....



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Originally Posted by MitsubishiZero View Post
Actually I don't quite understand. Why do American car companies seek more power by getting bigger litre engines rather than more sophisticated engine technology (that said, they still make less power than an IKEA chair) and suspensions we (the rest of the world) abandoned since the Romans arrived?

We do have sophisticated technology. American auto parts supplier Delphi supplies Ferrari and other high-end cars with state of the art Magneride shock absorbers and engine mounts to Porsche.

When it comes to US cars, those so-called 'sophisticated engines' and other gimmicks are relegated to luxury cars like cadillac and buick. They are just as advanced as BMW, Lexus, Mercedes Benz and Honda/Acura. You won't see them in our sports cars like corvette because they're heavy and occupies more space in the engine bay.

Gov. Motors' high performance division seem to take a page out of 'Soviet' military/space/industrial engineering when it comes to manufacturing high performance engines. The similarity between them is that they both make very robust and durable platforms for mass production... at the expense of some refinement and lack of some fancy gadgets. SBC engines may be crude when you measure using the euro/jap benchmark of 'refinement' (low NVH), but when it comes to 'real' results (drag and track duty competition), you can't beat gasoline/petrol powered SBCs in power delivery, durability and price.


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The Mustang, the Camaro and those sort. Yes I know some of these cars now have independent suspensions (yezzz that'zz revolutionary!) but still, the other areas of these American sports car still lack the kind of urge to drive it you get when you see a European or Japanese sports car........
The Detroit 2.5 has yet to fully master the art of 'compromise'. Some of their offerings seem to be one-dimensional. For example, when you ask Detroit 2.5 to make a vehicle that can comfortably seat 7... they make a friggin tank with no regard to safety of pedestrians and other vehicles (SUVs). When you ask them to make a sports car, end result is a car that's very competent in track & drag but lacking in refinement (by euro/jap standards).

I am not saying that the US car companies do not have sophisticated technology. It's just that they don't seem to be able to combine all those technology to make a good one. Pricewise they are very competitive (in US of course), but in terms of luxury/refinement/technology they seem to lack behind a bit.

[justinstrife]

GM/Ford/Chrysler build the type of sport/muscle cars that Americans want. We like V8s. Most of us prefer the pushrod style due to it's compactness. The more complicated the electronics and machinery, the more expensive it becomes, the more difficult it is to fix, and the less reliable it can become.

Take the new GTR for example. The transmission alone, costs as much as the Ls9 and Supercharger in a Zr1. The cost to replace the drivetrain oil is also expensive. As is brake systems.

Most car enthusiasts I know, prefer the K.I.S.S. rule. Keep It Simple Stupid. Don't even get me started on the FD's twin turbo sequential system. Biggest wiring nightmare in sports car world. Everybody outside of car collectors ditches the system to make the car more reliable and easier to work on.

Lastly, your comment about turbos limiting the revs... Tell that to the turbo 13/20b rotary, or the drag R34 GTRs, or the other various engines built to rev near or more than 10k rpms but still can operate turbos.

Just curious. How old are you, and what hands on experience do you have with vehicles?

[Armored Knight]

@justinstrife

That's what I am exactly talking about. I want a car, not a living room. The so-called luxury and electronics overload in a Euro/Japanese car makes it ridiculously expensive compared the same amount of power (or even more) in a cheaper American car.

Yes, I appreciate Nissan cars and I love their manual, but I wouldn't pay that much for a 370Z or a GTR which are probably +30% more expensive here than their official prices in the US. In addition, I don't want to waste 10 years of my life trying to save money just to buy a V8 Audi, just saying. Even the Camaro V6 is more expensive here than the Camaro V8 in the US. The Camaro V6 is more expensive than the Mustang GT here and Camaro V8 here is as expensive as a GT500. That's why I would never buy a Chevy unless it is a Corette or personally imported from the US, dealers suck. The Corvette is priced right because it is already an expensive car (expensive but it has a high value and worths every penny).

The only cars that are priced right are Ford cars. I wouldn't buy from the other manufacturers (especially Euro/Japanese) unless they make reasonably priced cars with more value for money and less gimmicks. Call me biased if you want, buy you can't blame me for loving Ford.

@MitsubishiZero

I already specified the reasons that make me more interested in American cars (price, no gimmicks, iconic designs, V8 power...etc). You can add to that: the price of gasoline is cheaper than water where I live and there are many big streets where you can drive as you like, I just can't resist.

I couldn't help but just laugh at the black smoke part. Not all people drive those (http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/vcs/dennert/archives/ford_f650_05.jpg), you know.

[justinstrife]

@justinstrife

That's what I am exactly talking about. I want a car, not a living room. The so-called luxury and electronics overload in a Euro/Japanese car makes it ridiculously expensive compared the same amount of power (or even more) in a cheaper American car.

Yes, I appreciate Nissan cars and I love their manual, but I wouldn't pay that much for a 370Z or a GTR which are probably +30% more expensive here than their official prices in the US. In addition, I don't want to waste 10 years of my life trying to save money just to buy a V8 Audi, just saying. Even the Camaro V6 is more expensive here than the Camaro V8 in the US. The Camaro V6 is more expensive than the Mustang GT here and Camaro V8 here is as expensive as a GT500. That's why I would never buy a Chevy unless it is a Corette or personally imported from the US, dealers suck. The Corvette is priced right because it is already an expensive car (expensive but it has a high value and worths every penny).
I'm not a Camaro guy so they were never an option for me(unless you can find me a really clean 1967-1969 Camaro SS in blue). The interior is cheap looking and feeling as well. The Mustang interiors at least look halfway decent and fitting for a performance car. Not to mention the sound of Ford V8's vs their Chevy counterparts. Of course, since I'm a handling kind of guy, there isn't much in Ford's line-up for me. But for a nice cruiser, daily driver, or drag car, Fords have quite a few options that I like. Even their Taurus SHO is I believe 350hp/350tq and AWD. :cool:

Back on topic. There's nothing as simple as a pushrod V8 mounted upfront, with minimal electronics getting in the way. There's traction control/active handling for the less than average drivers, but push a button, and the car behaves just like it did 30+ years ago when pushed to the limits. No granny aids to save you, just your skills. :p

What Mitsubishi doesn't realize also, is that many of the Japanese car companies have been going to LARGER engines to make their power. The 370z has a 3.7liter up from the 3.5liter the 350z had. The R35 GTR has a 3.8liter v6, up from the 2.6liter straight 6. If you truly want to make power, and make it drivable, you have to increase displacement. I'm talking real power. More than 400hp. Boost can act as a somewhat replacement for engine size, but generally the power does not come on as smoothly, and you now have other parts to worry about(turbos, intercooler piping, vacuum lines, oil lines for the turbos, blow-off valves, intercoolers, tuning, etc).

[olympian819]

GM/Ford/Chrysler build the type of sport/muscle cars that Americans want. We like V8s. Most of us prefer the pushrod style due to it's compactness. The more complicated the electronics and machinery, the more expensive it becomes, the more difficult it is to fix, and the less reliable it can become.

Take the new GTR for example. The transmission alone, costs as much as the Ls9 and Supercharger in a Zr1. The cost to replace the drivetrain oil is also expensive. As is brake systems.

Most car enthusiasts I know, prefer the K.I.S.S. rule. Keep It Simple Stupid. Don't even get me started on the FD's twin turbo sequential system. Biggest wiring nightmare in sports car world. Everybody outside of car collectors ditches the system to make the car more reliable and easier to work on.

Lastly, your comment about turbos limiting the revs... Tell that to the turbo 13/20b rotary, or the drag R34 GTRs, or the other various engines built to rev near or more than 10k rpms but still can operate turbos.

Just curious. How old are you, and what hands on experience do you have with vehicles?

Now, I don't want to get involved in the American sports car good or bad discussion, but from what I see in your previous quotes, it's like that you are saying Americans want sports cars are reliability and simplicity. Isn't that like choosing a girlfriend for punctuality? I personally perfer Australian muscle. They look great without all those pathetic "retro-retro-retro" feel around. Yup I am Anti-Retro.

[Haruka_Kitten]

... I personally perfer Australian muscle. They look great without all those pathetic "retro-retro-retro" feel around. Yup I am Anti-Retro.

I see, good call. We like our modern cars.

[MitsubishiZero]

I see, good call. We like our modern cars.

I like the way Australians gave their cars American engines, which surely is great, but they have also given them up-to-date components making a car a good one. I know a lot of Aussies love old American muscle, but at least they improved on the idea. I agree with olympian (by the way that's a Clarkson DVD quote XD)........Sports cars may have many categories, some simple but fun (MX5, Beat etc.) and some the showcase of the best technology a company have (GTR, Bugatti etc.). The American sports cars.......they don't seem to fit properly into any of these categories. Leaf springs and live axles is not simple. That's called crude or rudimentary.

And trying to discredit my opinions by showing to others how young I am and the fact that I don't have any motoring experience doesn't conceal the fact the American sports cars are not well accepted by everybody. Outside of US of course.

[mg1942]

........Sports cars may have many categories, some simple but fun (MX5, Beat etc.) and some the showcase of the best technology a company have (GTR, Bugatti etc.). The American sports cars.......they don't seem to fit properly into any of these categories. Leaf springs and live axles is not simple. That's called crude or rudimentary.

dude American sports cars are a category by itself...



sighs... you and Clarkson still haven't realized that corvette's (transverse composite) leafspring is actually an ingenious device (less weight/unsprung weight, lasts longer than coils), especially when coupled with the MagnerideTM shock absorbers for daily/spirited driving.
They can be easily replaced with traditional aftermarket coilovers... but that's if the owner decides to go to the track and blow doors off of euro/jap equivalent:cool:

[Haruka_Kitten]

I think that the saddest thing is that the Holden Commodore and it's rival the Ford Falcon are the only 2 major contributions that we've made to the car market. Toyota Australia has released it's Camry Hybrid, Mitsubishi in Adelaide went up, so now we have a rare selection of locally produced cars.

Anyone in Australia might remember the Button Car plan, which was to re-badge Holdens and Toyotas under each other (among others) to make the local car market bigger. What resulted is the Holden Apollo (Toyota Camry) and the Toyota Lexcen (Holden Commodore), 2 of the rarest cars you'll ever see in Australia. Both badge-engineers are indistinguishable (although the Lexcen had a slightly different headlight setup with seperate indicator bulbs), and I guarantee that unless you own one, or live next to someone who owns one, you'll only ever see one once every 3 months at random.

[Armored Knight]

The best contributions? Yes, that's right. The Aurion is also an excellent car in my opinion. It is still a Camry V6, but at least it looks much better it is also manufactured in Australia. It is one of the Commodore's rivals.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SrppQCGF19I/AAAAAAACFRk/saLnlvnNDRw/s800/2010-Toyota-Aurion-0.jpg


I like the design of the lower front grille on the 2010 Aurion.

Although we have proper Ford car, I still want to see the Australian Falcon released overseas.

[Haruka_Kitten]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Ford_Falcon_FG_XR6_8583.jpg/800px-Ford_Falcon_FG_XR6_8583.jpg

By far the only serious rival to the Holden Commodore, the Falcon is very similiar to it. The surprising thing is that both are offered in similar packages. Both have either a V6 (with the Ford having a 4L, versus the Holden's 3.6) or a V8 (Holden coming trumps with a 6.0 against the Ford's measly 5.4). Both are also available in LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas) fuel and are both available in Sedan, Station Wagon or Ute. The only unique thing that the Ford has is a Turbocharger option.

Here, Ford vs. Holden is asked in similar fashion as "What sports team you follow?", therefore a Holden fan would ignore the Falcon without blinking and go straight for the Commodore, and vice versa. The one thing someone pointed out with the newest Falcon is that, even with Slimline issue plates (these are less tall than standard issue, being similar height to European issue plates), the grill is still obscured by it.
http://images.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2008/04/09/XT_01_L_700.jpg
ah, the joys of legality.

[Armored Knight]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/02/01-2011-audi-a1-630op.jpg

Don't Audi designers recognize the ugliness of this big grille? It looks good on their big cars, but it is horrible on the A1. I don't like its design. It looks sad and pissed off at the same time (LOL @ the headlights). But I like the silver frame around its windows.

The Scirocco and the Golf look much better. The Scirocco is one of the best looking hatchbacks in my opinion, but I still prefer the Golf.

[Haruka_Kitten]

...The Scirocco and the Golf look much better. The Scirocco is one of the best looking hatchbacks in my opinion, but I still prefer the Golf.

Isn't the new Golf based on the Scirocco?

[Armored Knight]

Isn't the new Golf based on the Scirocco?
Regardless of which one based on which one, this seems to be the new style of VW's hatchbacks, which is sleek if you ask me. I prefer the Golf's overall body design and it is one of the few European car I'd like to own. The Scirocco is long compared to other hatchbacks and somehow luxurious and that isn't really my thing.

The taillights, the headlights, the hood design and the front grilles are definitely ones of the best looking in the market if not the best!. However, I still think the Focus RS is the best looking hatchback. Anyway, the design is just a matter of personal preference. What looks good in my opinion may look bad in your opinion...

[MitsubishiZero]

Isn't the new Golf based on the Scirocco?

It's the other way round. The Scirocco is based on the Golf, but has wider rear tyres...

I really want both the Scirocco R and the Golf R.....they look so cool and fun to drive....

[mg1942]

Anyone here from the South?

I heard there's new style that's brewin' down there... it's only a matter of time before it spreads to the northeast, midwest and then west coast:uhoh:

dunno the official name for it but for now i'll just call it American 'itasha':D:p

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[MitsubishiZero]

seen this one quite some time ago, i agree it is quite beautifully made but I don't really like the cars. Why does it have to be like that.......it's a bit......unrefined when compared to the "itashas" people normally think of.....

[mg1942]

I just asked someone at work and those cars are called 'donks, boxes & bubbles'.
I think donks are the ones jacked up higher than SUVs wtih twentyfo wheels, but right now i can't distinguish what's a box and bubble.

Also the trend right now in the south is that they use corporate/product logos.

I kinda hope someone brings this scene in the west coast and use anime graphics :D

[Black0raz0r]

I've got a black one Honda Civic :heh:
http://www.speedheads.de/artikelbilder/2008/HondaCivicTypeS1.jpg

[Haruka_Kitten]

I've got a black one Honda Civic :heh:
http://www.speedheads.de/artikelbilder/2008/HondaCivicTypeS1.jpg

Nice, very nice. I think we did talk about this one earlier though?

[Black0raz0r]

I'm happy with the car :D
at the moment :heh:

got it from my parents to my 16th bday
then I startet the driving school and got with 17 the driver's license

[MitsubishiZero]

Nice, very nice. I think we did talk about this one earlier though?

nope. we were talking about the Euro vs JDM Civic but not special models like the Type S. We did mention the type R difference......


well the civic is a great starter car, but I am quite worried about the insurance, particularly if you are a young and inexperienced driver.......also, as the Type S looks quite fast (I don't know if it has any more power/handling tweaks than a normal civic), but judging on what most car magazines and tv programmes (fifth gear and top gear) the Euro Civic with its Jazz platform is more understeery than the JDM Civic.....be careful when going round corners.......the rims look great (seems to be taken from a Elysion?)

from previous posts:

Ah, speaking of Civic...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/2006_Honda_Civic_5-door.jpg/800px-2006_Honda_Civic_5-door.jpg

That's the Euro-spec Honda Civic built in...Swindon? It looks like a coupe, but it actually has 5 doors (the back door handles are tucked away in a corner where you'd expect to find a window). They sell it here too, but due to the unique way the euro and pound works, it's priced itself out of the competition.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Paris_2006_-_Honda_Civic_type_R.JPG/800px-Paris_2006_-_Honda_Civic_type_R.JPG

The Euro-spec Civic Type-R. I like that. Priced in Australia at AU$43K, it's quite steep. For around that money I'd be looking at a Mazda 3 MPS. It's still gopingly brilliant to look at, and I hope it's one of the cars I get around to test-driving when I get a full licence.



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for reference: Please check the spec sheet to see the difference

Civic JDM ver:

http://www.honda.co.jp/CIVIC/

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honda.co.jp%2FCIVIC%2Fwebcatalo gue%2Fgrade-data%2F

Civic Type R JDM ver.:
http://www.honda.co.jp/CIVICTYPE-R/

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honda.co.jp%2FCIVICTYPE-R%2Fwebcatalog%2Fspec%2F&sl=ja&tl=en



how much did your parents pay for it?

[Black0raz0r]

about 20.000€ i think ;)

[MitsubishiZero]

about 20.000€ i think ;)

that's rather expensive.......for both the 1.8 petrol or 2.2 diesel giving out 140hp......

[grylsyjaeger]

I'm still driving an '07 Ford Falcon XR6 sedan.

Still hating it and just clocked over 39,000 kms over Easter.

Come on, Evo IX by Christmas!

[MitsubishiZero]

Evo IX? I really suggest you get the Evo X rather than the Evo 8.5........you get what you paid for......which spec? GSR? RS?

[grylsyjaeger]

GSR with the optional Ralliart pack if I can find one.

And an Evo X? I'd rather put my face through a mincer than drive one of those ugly bastards.

[MitsubishiZero]

Ralliart Pack?

Does the GSR has a Ralliart pack (I don't mean stickers here)?? Do you mean the Lancer Ralliart?

[grylsyjaeger]

Normally an Evo IX over here came by default with standard alloy rims and some other crap and there was a $5,000 AUD optional extra for BBS forged black rims, upgraded lights and vortex generators on the roof.

It's a bit unoriginal but I've love a red Evo IX. D=

[MitsubishiZero]

oh it's just I though the bbs alloys come in standard in GSR editions............I guess it's packaging in different countries....you may be buying a RS labelled a GSR and charging you extra for GSR options....

[Lost Cause]

I read in a car magazine while at my doctors office that Ford Motor Company is returning the 302 cid/5.0 L V-8 in the new Mustang! Horsepower rated at 413! Pretty wicked for a Mustang GT!

[MitsubishiZero]

Mate. Power is NOTHING without control. Giving it more power doesn't really mean it is going to be any faster on roads other than straights....

[Lost Cause]

Mate. Power is NOTHING without control. Giving it more power doesn't really mean it is going to be any faster on roads other than straights....

In which case there's always the Mustang Saleen.

[mg1942]

if you read the reviews the 2011 mustang now handles better
not bad for for a car with solid rear axle

[master_buten]

i am planning to buy a new car this year, my sister likes the new kia soul 2010 it's inexpensive and is super cute, i on the other hand dreams over having a mitsubishi evo, the red is ohh so fabulous but i prefer black :)

[Haruka_Kitten]

i am planning to buy a new car this year, my sister likes the new kia soul 2010 it's inexpensive and is super cute, i on the other hand dreams over having a mitsubishi evo, the red is ohh so fabulous but i prefer black :)

Ooh, Kia's take on the Nissan Cube:

http://ontheautomotive.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/2010-kia-soul-02.jpg

The Soul is Kia's reachout to Generation Y, and I must say it's a good attempt.

[MitsubishiZero]

Get the Red-black special version. The Soul looks much better in that colour, though I don't really like the Kia brand.....I'd rather prefer Hyundai over Kia, if I have to choose Korean cars....

[mg1942]

Mate. Power is NOTHING without control. Giving it more power doesn't really mean it is going to be any faster on roads other than straights....


look @ how competitive is the new mustang

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/04/ford_mustang_v_m3.jpg

again, not bad for for a car with just solid rear axle



The performance of this new Mustang is undeniable. There are reasons to choose an M3 over one, but it's damn sure NOT for performance, and it's pretty hard to justify the price difference without that.

[MitsubishiZero]

Using just a spec sheet to compare performance and value (not price) of cars is not a good way to compare. Those numbers mean NOTHING to us. Let the mustang be driven on the Nurburgring by both a normal person (to see if it is good but a bitch to handle) and a racing driver to set a reference time. Then we can compare. And don't forget, BMW is outputting 414hp with a 4 litre V8.

And since when are we proud of something the Romans had given up being able to do something modern things are capable of doing?


Reasons to choose a BMW? It's a BMW. Is that enough for you?
You buy a BMW for its style, the luxurious interior, the handling, the driving pleasure (particularly in corners) and the brand name. You can say proudly you own a BMW, which you don't do the same if you own a Toyota or Hyundai.

[touge-n00b]

Reasons to choose a BMW? It's a BMW. Is that enough for you?
You buy a BMW for its style, the luxurious interior, the handling, the driving pleasure (particularly in corners) and the brand name. You can say proudly you own a BMW, which you don't do the same if you own a Toyota or Hyundai.

Exactly the point some people are making: you're spending double the money for a BMW badge. I can understand why some people would make the comparison, ludicrous as it sounds.

That being said I'd take the E92 in a heartbeat if I had the money. I will admit that the 2011 Mustang is impressive, but comparing it to an M3 is like comparing an F15 to an Apache Helicopter Gunship, sure the two cars are made to go fast, but the philosophies behind them are very different. The Mustang will forever be a point-and-squirt muscle car, while the M3 will always be a knife-edge racer dressed as a family saloon. Sure the Mustangs numbers are inching ever so closely to sports-car territory, hell they are there. But the Mustang is first and foremost a muscle car. And Ford doesn't have any intention of changing that image so long as us Americans like that sort of thing.

Guess the point I'm trying to make is you can't really compare the two. But you can admit that the Mustang is damn good value for money.



i am planning to buy a new car this year, my sister likes the new kia soul 2010 it's inexpensive and is super cute, i on the other hand dreams over having a mitsubishi evo, the red is ohh so fabulous but i prefer black :)

Check out the up coming Ford Fiesta! Kia Soul utility, with awesome driving dynamics. Or so say our friends across the pond.

[MitsubishiZero]

Exactly the point some people are making: you're spending double the money for a BMW badge. I can understand why some people would make the comparison, ludicrous as it sounds.

That being said I'd take the E92 in a heartbeat if I had the money. I will admit that the 2011 Mustang is impressive, but comparing it to an M3 is like comparing an F15 to an Apache Helicopter Gunship, sure the two cars are made to go fast, but the philosophies behind them are very different. The Mustang will forever be a point-and-squirt muscle car, while the M3 will always be a knife-edge racer dressed as a family saloon. Sure the Mustangs numbers are inching ever so closely to sports-car territory, hell they are there. But the Mustang is first and foremost a muscle car. And Ford doesn't have any intention of changing that image so long as us Americans like that sort of thing.

Guess the point I'm trying to make is you can't really compare the two. But you can admit that the Mustang is damn good value for money.

Check out the up coming Ford Fiesta! Kia Soul utility, with awesome driving dynamics. Or so say our friends across the pond.


Exactly.

Fiestas? Ah. That's because across the pond, the Fiestas they drive are made in Germany, while those going to be sold in America is made in America (or Brazil or Mexico? I forgot). You should see how youtubers react to the American version. They say the car is of worse quality and such, but I don't really know the details of it so i can't comment. I have read from many car reviews that Fiestas have "class leading handling", so I believe a Fiesta is quite a nice car to own........Ford of EUROPE always give us such nice things to drive :)

[touge-n00b]

Exactly.

Fiestas? Ah. That's because across the pond, the Fiestas they drive are made in Germany, while those going to be sold in America is made in America (or Brazil or Mexico? I forgot). You should see how youtubers react to the American version. They say the car is of worse quality and such, but I don't really know the details of it so i can't comment. I have read from many car reviews that Fiestas have "class leading handling", so I believe a Fiesta is quite a nice car to own........Ford of EUROPE always give us such nice things to drive :)

I believe the Fiesta is being assembled in Mexico. I've had some personal experience with recent Ford products, the Fusion for example. While some of the materials and such do feel cheap, my uncles Fusion is going on two years, with little look of wear and tear. Honestly, the Japanese cars of now days feel and wear exactly the same (no surprise, most of the mainstream stuff IS assembled in America after all). I only worry about all the toys Ford is equipping to it, how long that stuff will list, and even more to the point: how expensive is it going to be.

Either way though, I can't wait to test drive a Fiesta. I'm looking on downsizing (city life in a mid-size sedan is not for me!), but I'm still holding out and hoping Ford does an RS/ST Fiesta. Then it's between that and the Fiat 500 Abarth. :D

[MitsubishiZero]

I believe the Fiesta is being assembled in Mexico. I've had some personal experience with recent Ford products, the Fusion for example. While some of the materials and such do feel cheap, my uncles Fusion is going on two years, with little look of wear and tear. Honestly, the Japanese cars of now days feel and wear exactly the same (no surprise, most of the mainstream stuff IS assembled in America after all). I only worry about all the toys Ford is equipping to it, how long that stuff will list, and even more to the point: how expensive is it going to be.

Either way though, I can't wait to test drive a Fiesta. I'm looking on downsizing (city life in a mid-size sedan is not for me!), but I'm still holding out and hoping Ford does an RS/ST Fiesta. Then it's between that and the Fiat 500 Abarth. :D

Please always remember. The more basic the car is, the longer it can last. For example, after a few years, it's not the engine which gives away, but it's always the electronics. The computers start to malfunction, the little faults start to appear. It's always things relating to electronics.


We can be quite sure Ford of Europe is going to make an ST, or even an RS Fiesta. Whether the whole package comes intact to America, we don't yet know. But it's going to be good and we know it :)

I really hope Ford of America can go to Europe and rediscover the words "handling" and "efficiency". Then they will do something about the Mustang. Or almost any other lorries (or what you call pickups) and cars they currently give us.

Note: if you ever buy a Fiesta, get the Germany made version. You will see why you should....

[Nightbat®]

Exactly the point some people are making: you're spending double the money for a BMW badge. I can understand why some people would make the comparison, ludicrous as it sounds.

That being said I'd take the E92 in a heartbeat if I had the money. I will admit that the 2011 Mustang is impressive, but comparing it to an M3 is like comparing an F15 to an Apache Helicopter Gunship, sure the two cars are made to go fast, but the philosophies behind them are very different. The Mustang will forever be a point-and-squirt muscle car, while the M3 will always be a knife-edge racer dressed as a family saloon. Sure the Mustangs numbers are inching ever so closely to sports-car territory, hell they are there. But the Mustang is first and foremost a muscle car. And Ford doesn't have any intention of changing that image so long as us Americans like that sort of thing.

Guess the point I'm trying to make is you can't really compare the two. But you can admit that the Mustang is damn good value for money.

Now I'll give you the fact that the mustang will never be a performance luxury car
but at that pricedifference you can hop up the Stang to BMW level 'knife edge racer' and beyond
...and still keep money in the pocket
because when it comes to "aftermarket improvements" most USA musclecars have a much larger playingfield than any of their 'exotic' competitors
not only in available options but also the much larger increase in performance

[KuroSora]

Lamborghini Murcielago... so sweet

http://www.luxurylaunches.com/entry_images/0906/29/1-lamborghini-murcielago-lp640-versace.jpg

Dodge Viper... what should I tell about this animal?? :D

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/2008-Dodge-Viper-SRT10-ACR-20.jpg

EDIT: forgot this one... best car for sure :D

http://www.vrelegume.rs/slike/125/golf370.jpg

[MitsubishiZero]

Lamborghini Murcielago... so sweet

http://www.luxurylaunches.com/entry_images/0906/29/1-lamborghini-murcielago-lp640-versace.jpg

Dodge Viper... what should I tell about this animal?? :D

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/2008-Dodge-Viper-SRT10-ACR-20.jpg

EDIT: forgot this one... best car for sure :D

http://www.vrelegume.rs/slike/125/golf370.jpg

1. bat man on a track day

2. Drive, and occasionally into things, in style. Corner, or crash, faster than ever imaginable or survivable.

3. folk's wagon, enough said.

[Nightbat®]

Lamborghini Murcielago... so sweet[/spoiler]

More like: "So HOT" because those things have the habit of spontaniously combusting

[Sinestra]

Ralliart Pack?

Does the GSR has a Ralliart pack (I don't mean stickers here)?? Do you mean the Lancer Ralliart?

Its call the touring package and available for late 09's and up Lancer, Lancer RA and Lancer Evo X. I have it on mine the only things you cant get in a regular Lancer is the Recaro racing seats at least last time i checked.

[MitsubishiZero]

Its call the touring package and available for late 09's and up Lancer, Lancer RA and Lancer Evo X. I have it on mine the only things you cant get in a regular Lancer is the Recaro racing seats at least last time i checked.

Can you tell me what the package includes? Does it have the BBS rims included?

I suggest you check Mitsubishi's Japanese official website since there are 5 GSR packages and 1 RS packages. Each include different acessoires. Use google translate if you need to see the English meaning.

[touge-n00b]

Now I'll give you the fact that the mustang will never be a performance luxury car
but at that pricedifference you can hop up the Stang to BMW level 'knife edge racer' and beyond
...and still keep money in the pocket
because when it comes to "aftermarket improvements" most USA musclecars have a much larger playingfield than any of their 'exotic' competitors
not only in available options but also the much larger increase in performance

I'll give you that point, however realize that not everyone is interested in modifying their cars, especially when factory warranties come into play. Although Ford Racing products are covered under warranty last I heard.

The appeal of the M3 however is that it can do those impressive numbers, while being a comfortable and complacent daily driver when you're not in the mood. I've toyed with the suspension of all the car's I've owned, and in my own personal opinion, an aftermarket suspension will never be as comfortable as an OEM setup on a day to day basis. Which again, could turn a lot of people off to that route. Again, I guess what I'm trying to say is that most people aren't going to cross-shop these two cars. The average mustang shopper isn't interested in luxury and comfort, and the average M3 owner isn't bothered about the aftermarket possibilities.




More like: "So HOT" because those things have the habit of spontaniously combusting

I thought that was the Gallardo? Well according to Top Gear anyway. :heh:

[Haruka_Kitten]

I thought that was the Gallardo? Well according to Top Gear anyway. :heh:

JC: Have you seen this?
RH: That's a burning Gallardo.
JC: No, have you seen this?
RH: That's a burning Gallardo.
JC: No, but have you seen this?
RH: A burning Gallardo...
JC: What about this?
RH: That'll be a burning Gallardo.
JC: And what about this?
RH: That'll be a burning....**laughs**

You mean that?

[Nightbat®]

It's the V10 engine that has the problems

Audi R8's have been seen aflame alongside the road

something about the injectors not shutting off when a sparkplug is placed into shutdown (failsafe mode heh)
and keeps pumping fuel into the redhot manifold

[MitsubishiZero]

Oh no, then according to Jeremy the Germans who designed the engine would be shot at dawn........quick, save them!!! XD

[touge-n00b]

Oh no, then according to Jeremy the Germans who designed the engine would be shot at dawn........quick, save them!!! XD

Too late, they shot themselves already. :D

[speedyexpress48]

Sorry to bump a very old thread, but you guys might be looking forward to this...

http://jalopnik.com/5854865/scion-fr+s-all-the-specs

[Azumanga Davo]

Sorry to bump a very old thread, but you guys might be looking forward to this...

http://jalopnik.com/5854865/scion-fr+s-all-the-specs

Toyota went and bought a 370Z. Let the copies begin! :heh:

PS. Nice, a car thread. NOW I feel at home. :p

[speedyexpress48]

Toyota went and bought a 370Z. Let the copies begin! :heh:

PS. Nice, a car thread. NOW I feel at home. :p

The successor to the offical otakumobile, the Corolla AE86:p

(Not that it looks like a 86 nor a Corolla.)

[flying ^]

... why is it NOT called a Toyota Celica?


i can't wait for the Best Motoring/Hot Version evaluation and the inevitable comparison between honda s2000.

also it would be interesting to see if honda s2000's chassis rigidity (the most rigid sports car sans hardtop when it came out 11 years ago...) could still hang on with the new generation of midship FR lightweight coups from toyota and subaru.

[speedyexpress48]

... why is it NOT called a Toyota Celica?


i can't wait for the Best Motoring/Hot Version evaluation and the inevitable comparison between honda s2000.

also it would be interesting to see if honda s2000's chassis rigidity (the most rigid sports car sans hardtop when it came out 11 years ago...) could still hang on with the new generation of midship FR lightweight coups from toyota and subaru.

Best Motoring/Hot Version ceased production in May, so there goes that...

[Sides]

... why is it NOT called a Toyota Celica?

Because it has a boxer engine, not a poodle engine, so my guess it will be called Supra. If there is ever going to be version with folding roof, that one will be called Celica ^^

[MitsubishiZero]

It's name is called Toybaru.....in my mind.

I like the styling, both Toyota's and Subaru's version. Toyota wanted it to be the 86 of today, while Subaru probably wanted something coupe-ish to snatch some customers from Zs and S2000s, and indeed the Genesis Coupe.

I almost cry when they ceased production of the Supra. 2JZs are such sweet machines, a proper STRAIGHT 6 engine. Too bad even BMW are switching to turbo 4s these days, but I guess the environment is important too.

[Ryonea]

Leaked pics of Toyota FT-86 (http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/toyota-ft-86-concept-first-pics-2011-10-28?imageNo=0) and Subaru BRZ STI Concept (http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/subaru-brz-concept-tokyo-motor-show-2011-11-02?imageNo=0) for those who haven't seem them :)

[flying ^]

I like the styling, both Toyota's and Subaru's version. Toyota wanted it to be the 86 of today, while Subaru probably wanted something coupe-ish to snatch some customers from Zs and S2000s, and indeed the Genesis Coupe.

i'd keep the S2000
just slap a mugen top and call it a day!

the butter-smooth & screamer VTEC and bolt action riffle-like shifter/clutch is worth in gold! this is hard to give up... and will be hard to find another one perfectly matched like that ever again.

[Sides]

I like the styling, both Toyota's and Subaru's version. Toyota wanted it to be the 86 of today, while Subaru probably wanted something coupe-ish to snatch some customers from Zs and S2000s, and indeed the Genesis Coupe.

I am actually disappointed that the scooby version won't have AWD, I mean that is one of the main points for getting a scooby. Think this will be their first car, since the first subaru car, that is rear wheel driven.

[speedyexpress48]

I am actually disappointed that the scooby version won't have AWD, I mean that is one of the main points for getting a scooby. Think this will be their first car, since the first subaru car, that is rear wheel driven.

The configuration of the platform makes economical AWD impossible, but hey, all the other Subaru traditions are there (boxer motor, turbo, etc.)

And something a bit off topic-
http://jalopnik.com/5856673/1966-galaxie-500-r-code-is-one-rare-full-size-ford/gallery/1

Yay, $50000 for a old Galaxie! Awesome!
(When you are either drunk or on crack.)

[MitsubishiZero]

I am actually disappointed that the scooby version won't have AWD, I mean that is one of the main points for getting a scooby. Think this will be their first car, since the first subaru car, that is rear wheel driven.

Agree +1

I don't quite understand why Subaru is not going to give their premium coupe their trick 4WD system. Afterall, they are famous for their 4WD system and its cornering capabilities. This however, isn't Subaru's car, at least not since its founding. The Subaru 360 is RR. But if you're counting from the 90s, then probably yes.


I am actually a hard core Mitsubishi guy, but I really admire the styling of the two versions of this coupe. I really don't understand why Mitsubishi is so rubbish at marketing and making ordinary cars while they made a car called the Lancer Evolution (or the Pajero Evolution, if you want to count that particular one in). Pity.

[speedyexpress48]

Agree +1

I don't quite understand why Subaru is not going to give their premium coupe their trick 4WD system. Afterall, they are famous for their 4WD system and its cornering capabilities. This however, isn't Subaru's car, at least not since its founding. The Subaru 360 is RR. But if you're counting from the 90s, then probably yes.


I am actually a hard core Mitsubishi guy, but I really admire the styling of the two versions of this coupe. I really don't understand why Mitsubishi is so rubbish at marketing and making ordinary cars while they made a car called the Lancer Evolution (or the Pajero Evolution, if you want to count that particular one in). Pity.

To be honest, the Lancer and Pajero are pretty capable cars themselves (the current generation Lancer at least.)

Too bad the rest is bloated "sports" sports cars followed by sad garbage.

Anyway, something new for laughs; this hilarious ebay ad for a Austin Ute as featured on Jalopnik.
http://jalopnik.com/5856794/an-amusingly-british-way-to-sell-your-rare-austin-ute

Don't worry, I saved the text if the ad disappears.

RARE

as hens teeth, in fact its rarer than hens teeth, I once visited a man in Bloxwich who had a rare breed of chicken that had teeth, the sabre toothed chicken was a bit of a handfull and would only eat meat, the gentleman had a green pickup, it was a Marina pick up and was really rare, rarer than his chicken with teeth!!! anyway i think we've covered the teeth issue and i think i got my point across that this is quite a rare little ute indeed.

She runs very well on petrol, not so good on water or any other liquid, you could try water but i doubt very much if youl have any joy, you might end up scrapping it and then if there are any more of these rare little trucks about they will be rarer than erm hens teeth!!!

She is as rotten as the proverbial Pear in fact ive got Pears at the bottom of my Orchard that have sat there since they fell from the tree in September and are not as rotten as the bed and floor of this RARE ROTTEN little truck, they are so rotten that if you tried to pick them up youd get all festering Pear in your hand and no one likes having a festering PARE in your hand, its almost as bad as festering Plumbs, and beleive me festering Plumbs are painful in any hands, My mate had festering Plumbs and there was no Jam to be made at all and his mrs prefered my festering pair to his festering plumbs but thats a story for Jeremy Kyle.

so the floor needs welding!!! I think i made that clear.

The Engine is a 1275 A series and runs sweet as a Nut? why do people say sweet as a nut? Nuts arent sweet are they? Oh come to think about it my mates mrs thought my nuts were sweet so I guess they must be! it must be the way you grow them.

the brakes are NON exsistent abit like my mates sex life, actualy these brakes probably have seen more womens heels than my mates bedroom but to be fair this RARE ROTTEN little trucks ceiling has seen more womens heels than my mates bedroom ceiling has.

there was a pair of lacey knickers found behind the passenger side seat that look like they had been at the bottom of my Orchard with the Plumbs and Pears, mind you they tasted like Trevors Tastey Torment made from essence of Crab fingernails and slugs earwax, "so my mate tells me" erm where was I?

Now there are no mod cons with this RARE ROTTEN little truck, no radio, no sat nav, no abs, no anti corrosion, no air bags, no side impact bars, no rain sensors on the windscreen, no heated seats, no steering headlamps, no tyre presure sensors, no heated front screen no heated rear screen, no electronic goodies like CD, electric windows, electric seats, tv dvd "blueray" ??? what the hell is blueray anyway? what happened to good old fasioned BETAmax???

however what electrics it does have all seem to work as they should, unlike the brakes which I think I covered in an earlier analogy.

The tryes! well I could go on for a while about bald and several euphemisms later youd be thinking this bloke needs help!!! sufice to say, they aint road worthy.

The Key for the ignition has been updated in the manner that all granddads did in the 70s and 80s by welding or brazing a 2" penny washer to the broken end because the little black plastic cover was never man enough and always snapped off after many winter mornings trying to start the damn things.

the carpet or floor covering doesnt actualy exsist so theres no creature comforts at all, although I imagine its kept some creatures comfortable in its life but probably not as comfortable as the farmer kept them!!! say no more....

I suspect this RARE ROTTEN little truck was owned by a woman due to the lack of wing mirrors, Only women drive without wing mirrors its a proven fact that they are a distraction to women as they keep trying to get away from whats coming up from behind!!! apart from my mates mrs!! I was always coming up on her from behind!! mind you she didnt have a dent free undamaged little green tailgate, her back doors were always getting knocked about..

The seat covers have seen better days and are full of stains, infact ive never seen so many stains since my mate went to Stains to have his festering Plumbs checked out...

there is NO MOT and NO TAX so please do not ask if you can drive her home to Morroco to your hareem, you will need to trailer her away, she does drive but ever since I got banned from driving for 12 months for selling a friend a motorbike at the age of 15 I will never allow anyone to drive an un roadworthy car away from me again, my mates been paying for that ever since....!!! say no more.....

so there you have it! a rare little truck that deserves saving unlike my mates marriage.

any questions please call me on 07768805693. Anthony.

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On 28-Oct-11 at 12:38:26 BST, seller added the following information:


absolutely ace i reckon there is a club they will go to a local working mans club with crap beer the ugliest barmaid available and moan about modern cars and swap pictures of there beige and check seats while stroking there beards!

- dec-the-tec
Noooo working mans clubs are too hard core for Marina owners, If the club does exsist then i think its a personal thing, where they both arange to meet the same time every month seperately in their own homes, so no one knows they belong to this immaginary club, and they both sit in their own outside lavatories with pictures of their favorite mustard coloured Marina nailed to the door, and they are not stroking any beards at this time I can tell you!!!! their wives are the sort we call GILFs Grandma Id love to fondle....

On 29-Oct-11 at 21:45:38 BST, seller added the following information:

Hi Again Bentley, I'd really love to view your comprehensive portfolio of backdoorism. I remember the days of "backdoor brutality" well. Nowadays with the politically correct squadron such things are a thing of the past. Backdoors must be dripping in lube or it would be deemed an "illegal activity". The pioneering days of backdoor abuse were certainly in my opinion better days. A Transit van with a pishy mattress on the floor, blacked out rear windows and a "dry set of doors" waiting to get sorted out was the ultimate for me. Regards, Jim.

On 29-Oct-11 at 21:47:09 BST, seller added the following information:

yeah that was me wanted the boat but cant swim!bought the cases off a guy in a yellow 3 wheeled van a while ago he said they were executive if you know what i mean and he was goin to throw them in the river but i stopped him and bought some,dusty bin a classic remeber catchfrase with roy wanker he said say what you see,i see a pile of shit with this pick up of yours!will it weigh in for anything or is all the rust and rot ate all the good metal!

On 29-Oct-11 at 22:04:46 BST, seller added the following information:

As for your friend sore plums I cannot feel any sympathy with him as I spent 12 months in prison with only my cock to keep me company and a fading erotic memory of plum sex.
So if you don’t mind I just will nor laugh, I hope you understand.
Colonel Plum with the candle stick Wandsworth Prision

On 31-Oct-11 at 08:30:23 GMT, seller added the following information:

To all following this sale please beware as I believe it could be a scam however a very dear friend of my Ex Wife has the original bag of rusty dust which was to 1912 proto type of the now world famous Rusty Marina Truck. It was not so much ahead of is time with the onset of the Austin 7 and Ford Model T but a pure UK vision of how utility transport should develop. The development of this wonder vehicle was held up due to the first world war and economic hardships that endured between the Crimean war and Spanish Revelation and then obviously the Second world war. After some time in moth balls Mrs Thatcher (PM) was so taken by this project she bought the company and soon closed it to stop the technology getting into the reds hands due to the trade unions believing this could be as big as Apollo and this is borne out by Mrs’s T’s Ta Tar Tate with Reagan the UAS President. Although the project when into limited production (hence the rare as hen’s teeth quote) I have inside information from one of my many Wife’s friends that David Cameron sees this as are only way out of our current economic problems. I don’t now have a contact number for my friend but he has been seen recently with my ex Wife, her lover and a Judge who has strange stains on the back of his trousers in an area call Plum Heaven Farm, I believe he wants 1,000,000 Chinese Yen which I’m not sure if that more or less than the current £250 bid, both seem cheap. Collection can be via post or vacuum cleaner

On 31-Oct-11 at 17:34:07 GMT, seller added the following information:

I cant beleive the interest this RARE ROTTEN little truck is getting, its had over 6,000 views....

On 04-Nov-11 at 07:01:14 GMT, seller added the following information:

Obituary of the late Colonel Mustard. We write to inform you of the untimely death of Colonel Mustard, leading expert the Plum world. His ex wife Victoria who only recently been vote rear of the year at the anal Rusty Mariana Truck dinner & dance was said to be beside herself, her ex lover, the judge and a black market dealer in BL utility world. Although eye brows were raised when the late Colonel Mustard was incarcerated at was mainly those of his ex wife?s lover . Details of the Colonels death are at the moment sketchy but is believed he was stoned to death in Afghanistan, a rare honour in this backward land considering how rare plums are. CM had been struggling to get over his wife?s infidelity with most of the Midlands ebay society which is believed to be a cover for old men with rusty marina trucks but things were looking up for CM when he was asked to advise on the construction of a new range of rusty Mariana range which was to be assembled in Afghanistan funded by funds

[subwaygyal]

i like my brother's 370z by Nissan. its the love of my life n he wont let me ever touch it

[speedyexpress48]

Anyways, to dig up this again, top automotive blog Jalopnik asks otakus and gearheads; What Car Should Have Its Own Anime?

http://jalopnik.com/5877547/what-car-should-star-in-its-own-anime-series

[type-R!]

I love my 5spd. Rsx base. Have had it for a long while and will continue to until god knows when. It is 100% stock and will keep it like that forever.
My brother's type-s has some mods but I keep telling him to put the stock springs back. Poor car's body and suspension keep taking a beating in the 'awesome' roads of this city. Sure it looks cool lowered but if you are not taking it to the track then I don't see the point.

[speedyexpress48]

I love my 5spd. Rsx base. Have had it for a long while and will continue to until god knows when. It is 100% stock and will keep it like that forever.
My brother's type-s has some mods but I keep telling him to put the stock springs back. Poor car's body and suspension keep taking a beating in the 'awesome' roads of this city. Sure it looks cool lowered but if you are not taking it to the track then I don't see the point.

City and street handling perhaps?

[type-R!]

City and street handling perhaps?

Lol, thats the excuse many come up with. If you wanna take curves at high speeds, well, it might help you a little, just do it when you are alone in the road or at the race track please. Besides, the improvement of the handling is not really much, you might barely notice it with city driving. I think the stock suspension is great enough. In addition when you lower the suspension you change several of the alignment settings, mostly the camber angle (even if you use a camber kit), unless you use a complete professional kit.
I guess I'll give my brother a set of OEM springs for his birthday lol.

[justinstrife]

I love my 5spd. Rsx base. Have had it for a long while and will continue to until god knows when. It is 100% stock and will keep it like that forever.
My brother's type-s has some mods but I keep telling him to put the stock springs back. Poor car's body and suspension keep taking a beating in the 'awesome' roads of this city. Sure it looks cool lowered but if you are not taking it to the track then I don't see the point.

Any kind of car that has performance of some level, I can't see running the factory suspension. Sorry, can't do it. Then again, I tend to drive my cars the way they were meant to be driven. It sounds like your brother just needs to get better aftermarket shocks/springs/coilovers for his Type-S.

[type-R!]

Any kind of car that has performance of some level, I can't see running the factory suspension. Sorry, can't do it. Then again, I tend to drive my cars the way they were meant to be driven. It sounds like your brother just needs to get better aftermarket shocks/springs/coilovers for his Type-S.

Not really, better springs will still be stiff. My concern is that the stress of the impacts on the suspension when going over bumps in the road slowly damages it and can also affect the body rigidity. Rims can also get bent when going over even small bumps at high speeds with a stiff suspension.
If you have a performance car and drive it the way it was meant to, I hope you do it at the track or somewhere safe. Even if you are a good driver you never know what debris might be on the road, especially after blind curves or at night.

[Nightbat®]

I guess I'll give my brother a set of OEM springs for his birthday lol.

If he placed lower height tires, going back to stock springs would only make things worse

[type-R!]

If he placed lower height tires, going back to stock springs would only make things worse

Nah, tires and rims are stock. He just needs OEM springs.

[Azumanga Davo]

It's improved the Miata somewhat... :p

http://jalopnik.com/5884363/this-is-what-a-mazda-miata-with-dual-v8s-looks-like

[GundamFan0083]

For all of their awesomeness, Jeeps require dedication and willingness to deal with the occational problem.
The most notorious in the Jeep is the dreaded "Death Wobble."

This rather nasty problem:

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While scary, it is not as dangerous as it looks or feels.
The problem ususally results from this bad boy here:

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1885/3141/29711570011_large.jpg

If that sucker comes loose, your Jeep will shake like a paint-can in a mixer the moment you hit a bump fast enough to cause an oscillation in the suspension system.
With a free-floating axle, the Jeep is very maneuverable, but that maneuverability comes at a cost.
Heres a great diagnostic set of vidoes on what to look for when you've got a "Death Wobble" (the old timers call it "shimmy").

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If you're an owner of a pre-2001 Jeep WJ, CJ, XJ, or ZJ with the Dana 30(27) front axle then there is an upgrade that will help prevent this from occuring.

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[Kaken]

One car that I always just liked since I was young is the 3000gt. I had a neighbor who owned one and rarely drove it. These are not race cars, but it's a car I always wanted.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/'94-'96_Mitsubishi_3000GT.JPG

My dream car is the 93-95 mazda rx -7. I'm not too familiar with the rotary engine it uses, but want to learn about it.

http://www.ics-driveshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mazda-RX7.jpg

[Endless Soul]

My ultimate dream car, the Mercedes G4. Imagine pulling up to the valet in this beauty...

http://images.gizmag.com/hero/3663_02.jpg

Endless "Classical" Soul

[Marulash]

My very first car was a 1995 Honda Civic. An excellent car IMO and 18 years later I still have it. Been driving it less though as I have a 2007 Toyota Camry (that's pretty good too). These past 18 years I think I've only had 2 problems with the Civic that required me to take it to the shop, very impressive piece of work I gotta say.

[JokerD]

The car I really like is the Mitsubishi i:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Mitsubishi_i.jpg/800px-Mitsubishi_i.jpg
But then again it's not a family car so I can't get it for my family.

Another car I really love is the Lotus Elise
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Lotus_Elise_R_2008.jpg/399px-Lotus_Elise_R_2008.jpg

[Fireminer]

Just give me a Rolls-Royce Phantom and everything would be fine!

[NoemiChan]

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4529705664512265&pid=15.1

Hummers

[LeoXiao]

I have a driver's licence, but I dread driving and don't really consider myself qualified except maybe to take an automatic out to somewhere I've practiced a lot on. Also, the smaller the car I'm driving, the easier I can pretend it's a bike. Tomorrow I plan to take a stick-shift car to go shopping. It's gonna suck.

[speedyexpress48]

Honda guy through and through...never owned anything but Hondas. Also an auto mechanic here...

[Kaken]

Honda's are reliable cars. I've seen the 90s CRX models go above 200k easily.

[Jinto]

I like the looks of Audis. There are also beautiful super cars, but they are utterly impractical. So, the next best thing for me is an Audi A4 or A6.

[blakstealth]

Speaking of Audis, I always see a white R8 drive around town. The thing is beautiful. I also got a decent look at it while stopped at a red light and noticed that the driver looks about the same age as me, which makes me even more jelly. D:

[speedyexpress48]

Honda's are reliable cars. I've seen the 90s CRX models go above 200k easily.

CRXs are nice if you can find one. I'm currently driving a 99 Si coupe.

I like the looks of Audis. There are also beautiful super cars, but they are utterly impractical. So, the next best thing for me is an Audi A4 or A6.
Enjoy paying the parts bills and the utter unreliability of Audis :heh:

[NorthernFallout]

Volvofag. Currently driving a 2000 Volvo S70, first car purchase ever. It works just fine, just like a Volvo should, but since it's an older model, the lack of an AUX is terribly annoying. The type of stereo makes it a pain to change, too. But for the price I gave, it's top quality in every other area.

And the difference between an S70 and a -99 Seat Cordoba (which I borrowed for 2 months prior to the Volvo), is hilarious. The former feels like a brick on wheels while the latter is made out of paper.

In a few years, I'll upgrade to a V70. Or, if dreams would come true, a Shelby GT.

[Nightbat®]

Speaking of Audis, I always see a white R8 drive around town. The thing is beautiful. I also got a decent look at it while stopped at a red light and noticed that the driver looks about the same age as me, which makes me even more jelly. D:

I talked my boss' brother into trading in his BMW Z4 for an R8
Though I warned him, if he bought the V8 instead of the V10, I'd consider him a loser

...he bought a V8

To throw salt in the wound, when he sold it, he had to take a 50% loss :D

[speedyexpress48]

Volvofag. Currently driving a 2000 Volvo S70, first car purchase ever. It works just fine, just like a Volvo should, but since it's an older model, the lack of an AUX is terribly annoying. The type of stereo makes it a pain to change, too. But for the price I gave, it's top quality in every other area.

And the difference between an S70 and a -99 Seat Cordoba (which I borrowed for 2 months prior to the Volvo), is hilarious. The former feels like a brick on wheels while the latter is made out of paper.

In a few years, I'll upgrade to a V70. Or, if dreams would come true, a Shelby GT.

Truth be told, a Cordoba feels like it's made of paper when compared to a paper bag.

S70s are nice though.

[blakstealth]

I talked my boss' brother into trading in his BMW Z4 for an R8
Though I warned him, if he bought the V8 instead of the V10, I'd consider him a loser

...he bought a V8

To throw salt in the wound, when he sold it, he had to take a 50% loss :Doh my gaawwwwdd rofl

[Kaken]

CRXs are nice if you can find one. I'm currently driving a 99 Si coupe.

Yeah they are rare, but there are few unbeaten ones around my area. I like the CRX hatchback look, same goes for the civic hatchbacks.

@NorthernFallout

Reminded me of Breaking Bad.

[NorthernFallout]

For your drug transport needs, look no further than a V70. So normal the cops won't even look twice!

[Jinto]

Enjoy paying the parts bills and the utter unreliability of Audis :heh:

Maybe its just my car, but I didnt have any problems yet (except for a marten bitten coolant hose to the engine that needed to be replaced).

But its true Audi parts are kinda expensive, not as expensive as japanese imports though (here in europe). Many japanese cars are very reliable from what I heard, so more expensive parts do not pose a problem. However, I have yet to find one with appealing looks alround that is not a Lexus LFA.

[Harry McKenzie]

I'm in the market to buy a new car soon and I have a few options to choose from.

2014 Mazda3
2015 VW GTI
2013/14 Scion FR-S (Subaru BRZ)

All those options, at their highest trims, are under $30k. I understand each fulfill different markets, but I'd like some input on them to help me come to a decision. I'm also open to suggestions to other cars similar to those listed.

[Lightning_Wing]

Speaking of Audis, I always see a white R8 drive around town. The thing is beautiful. I also got a decent look at it while stopped at a red light and noticed that the driver looks about the same age as me, which makes me even more jelly. D:

I love R8s. Awesome cars.

Though I also like the Nissan performance line as well...

[SummeryDreams]

Honda Civic 2008-2012 is the only car on my menu. :D

[Dextro]

I'm in the market to buy a new car soon and I have a few options to choose from.

2014 Mazda3
2015 VW GTI
2013/14 Scion FR-S (Subaru BRZ)

All those options, at their highest trims, are under $30k. I understand each fulfill different markets, but I'd like some input on them to help me come to a decision. I'm also open to suggestions to other cars similar to those listed.

The Mazda 3 is a true outlier in there. I think they don't have a Mazdaspeed version of that one yet.

Those are all lustworthy cars for me. The 3 is the sensible every day choice, the GT86 is the best small rear-wheel driven car currently available (or the only one :heh: ) and the GTI is a bonkers front wheel drive machine.

I would probably go for the GT86 because I don't need back seats but the Mazda is a sweet ride. It all depends on what you need.

[Harry McKenzie]

Could you elaborate on your opinion of the GTI? I think I'm leaning more towards a sporty hatch. The Mazda3, as far as appearances go, makes a better sedan than it does hatch, IMO.

Have to admit the GT86 is extremely tempting, but I think I would prefer having the extra utility from a hatch/sedan since it'll be my primary vehicle. I'm a little disappointed, however, the US won't be getting a 2-door option for the GTI...

[Dextro]

Could you elaborate on your opinion of the GTI? I think I'm leaning more towards a sporty hatch. The Mazda3, as far as appearances go, makes a better sedan than it does hatch, IMO.

Have to admit the GT86 is extremely tempting, but I think I would prefer having the extra utility from a hatch/sedan since it'll be my primary vehicle. I'm a little disappointed, however, the US won't be getting a 2-door option for the GTI...

The GTI is a very good car I think. It doesn't really make me lust the way a GT86 or a BMW M135i does but it would still be an awesome ride to have. They're virtually as practical as a regular Golf but have more performance than a FWD vehicle should have. It isn't as able as the Megane RS when it comes to controlling understeer from what I've been told (probably due to the electronic differential) but if you're not going to be driving it to the limit it's not an issue.

Also: Matt Farah seems to like it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2660rdqzllQ) :heh:

I was trying to think of a few alternatives to the GTI and came up with a blank. You folks in the US really don't get much hot hatchbacks do you? No BMW 1 series, no Renault Megane RS, no Opel/Vauxhaul Astra... That's really hard to get options. The only alternative I can see is the Focus ST but I've seen conflicting opinions on it's ride. :/

On the other hand I'm in a poor European country and a GTI costs about 50k USD so... :(

[Harry McKenzie]

Thanks a lot for your input! I might just pick up the GTI, but I'm seeing varying release times for the car. either spring 2014 or early '15. Hope more news comes up sooner than later.

That video review of the 2010 model seemed pretty consistent with the reviews I've read of the '15 model.

You're absolutely right about the hot hatch options available in the states. The Civic Type-R isn't even sold here.

[Dextro]

Thanks a lot for your input! I might just pick up the GTI, but I'm seeing varying release times for the car. either spring 2014 or early '15. Hope more news comes up sooner than later.

That video review of the 2010 model seemed pretty consistent with the reviews I've read of the '15 model.

You're absolutely right about the hot hatch options available in the states. The Civic Type-R isn't even sold here.

The Type-R doesn't exist anymore. Honda says they are releasing a new one in 2016 but until then there's nothing, not even the "warm hatch" Type-S that was sold here in Europe before the latest restyling.