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Skyfall
2009-04-25, 03:05
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TrueKnight
2009-04-25, 06:07
Repost….. From the previews on ep 16, seems like we’ll be getting a set-up episode for much grander event. First we see Felli trying to act nice but finally getting pissed and bullying poor Layfon at the hospital. Maybe he’s saying something he shouldn’t have…hrm, http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8547.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8548.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8549.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8550.jpg Mei being Mei, http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090419_r_03.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090419_r_04.jpg Curly haired chick finally joins the club, http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0417_regios02s.jpg Pic of Leerin and the queen, Layfon’s finally getting and delivered the only weapon he deserves, the Heaven Blade? http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8546.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090419_r_11.jpg Layfon’s being ordered to do some top secret mission along with Haia, his gang and the mysterious masked person, http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090419_r_05.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090419_r_06.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090419_r_07.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090419_r_08.jpg And holy shit, the mysterious masked guy. http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC17%E8%A9%B100036602%E3%81%AE%E3%82%B3%E3% 83%94%E3%83%BC.jpg hmm just who is this guy?…..

around 5 hours from now...

Von Himmel
2009-04-25, 06:10
^
Eh ? I thought it has been aired a few hours ago... seems I was wrong.
Can't wait to see today action :x

ipernorris
2009-04-25, 07:15
^
Eh ? I thought it has been aired a few hours ago... seems I was wrong.
Can't wait to see today action :x
Perhaps there will be news about LayfonXGoat too! I hope there won't be any action about that matter tough... :heh:

CybEssen
2009-04-25, 08:44
Repost….. From the previews on ep 16, seems like we’ll be getting a set-up episode for much grander event. First we see Felli trying to act nice but finally getting pissed and bullying poor Layfon at the hospital. Maybe he’s saying something he shouldn’t have…hrm,
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8547.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8548.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8549.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8550.jpg



Leerin can't get to Zuellni fast enough, they be putting the moves on her dear Layfon! And geez, I don't know about you but I wouldn't send someone in a hospital bed soaring. Clearly a lover's quarrel gone wrong.

R.I.P. Layfon Alseif, we hardly knew yee.

Perhaps there will be news about LayfonXGoat too! I hope there won't be any action about that matter tough... :heh:

:twitch:

ipernorris
2009-04-25, 09:29
:twitch:
LOL I meant a fight between the two (lovers)... :heh:

Renegade334
2009-04-25, 10:42
Asura Cryin' is still airing but since the thread is already there, there is no point in NOT posting the link.

Koukaku no Regios episode 16 (tentative)
~Removed~GUIDELINES / RULES:
- Do NOT spread the 2chan link.
- If you want to quote my post, then please ERASE THE URL.
- If you want to (re)post screenshots from 2chan, then reload them on Imageshack and kindly supply the new links. In other words, do NOT hotlink. Why? It's simple: when the short-lived 2chan threads get junked along with their contents (aka screencaps), the broken urls automatically lead the user to a pageful of adult advertisements, a category of content outlawed by Animesuki's policy on inappropriate material.

Forewarning:
I'll erase the URL in a few hours (at least until the first raw or blog entry appears you-know-where) so, if you want to visit the page later on, save my link somewhere (in your bookmarks or notepad...whatever) while it's still up.

EDIT: rather than skimming through screencaps that won't even last till tomorrow evening, how about acquiring the raw that has just been made available?

TrueKnight
2009-04-25, 11:29
Hmm kinda interesting stuffs we got here,

http://dec.2chan.net:81/18/thumb/1240675225704s.jpg http://dec.2chan.net:81/18/thumb/1240675234925s.jpg http://dec.2chan.net:81/18/thumb/1240675413815s.jpg
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Lolz squad 17 getting pwned by squad 1. I guess having Layfon around does matter…… Sad. >.> Layfon is getting sent on a covert ops with Haia and the Salinvans, Leerin is coming to Layfon along with zomg hax dite?

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-04-25, 11:48
Hmm... From the comment:

It seems that Nina is being very reckless again... All the posters in 2ch seems to be in agreement that she is incapable of being a captain of the platoon. But still, I'll hold my opinion before the episode RAW is available.

Oh and Baldy is disabled now ;x; It seems that it's the after effect of haikizoku? D:

Also point to note, the Engrish part is getting to be creepy from the screenshots :uhoh:


Also, creative people they are... Meishen=obento-san? :heh:

Von Himmel
2009-04-25, 11:56
She might be getting pwnd for a while, but then become more powerful at the next episode and pwnd them back ?
anyway, http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4160/1240676745215.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1240676745215.jpg) seems like the song getting feat. at the end. Guess it's time though, because it's one of the aspect that I like in Regios.[/spoiler]

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-04-25, 12:11
She might be getting pwnd for a while, but then become more powerful at the next episode and pwnd them back ?



It's actually seem that her getting pwned is the problem, but her reckless actions, which some people have been arguing back before, is actually resurfacing... Or more like her fighting/leadership ability is just... Not too good considering her position as the platoon leader.

Which in turn, seems to affect Platoon 17-without-Layfon's battle result :uhoh:

And now that you show me that screen, Meishen'sofficial name is Mayshen :heh: God Bless the fansubs going into roar with this revelation :heh:

solembum
2009-04-25, 12:39
goodness gracious 2chan link is not for the innocent :heh: there were a lot of the thing that our very own xellos loves ><

I'll just wait for the raws lol

ipernorris
2009-04-25, 13:06
Guys Zuellni is behaving in a strange way, like she was having love problems...
Don't get angry with me if the show points at Goat-chan again and again! :heh:

Renegade334
2009-04-25, 13:45
goodness gracious 2chan link is not for the innocent :heh: there were a lot of the thing that our very own xellos loves ><
Putting "innocent" and "2chan" inside the same sentence is like an invitation to an orgy of oxymorons.

Believe me, that thread was pretty well-behaved (pristine, even) in comparison to other times where trolls were happily hosing the thread(s) with guro or scat pics (Code Geass R2 ep01 being the prime example - it was so bad I had to withdraw the links partly through the show).

CybEssen
2009-04-25, 13:56
Guys Zuellni is behaving in a strange way, like she was having love problems...
Don't get angry with me if the show points at Goat-chan again and again! :heh:

Zuellni: L-l-l-l-layfon! You sai-sai-said that we'd be together foreverrrr! Foreverrrr~
Layfon: I did? Sorry, I have a kei barrier up all teh time that blocks everything including affection. It won't get through unless you touch me!~ Just ask Felli!
Zuellni: You is cheating on me for Mr. Goat, Nina, Felli, Mei, Naruki, Gorneo, Shante, Harley, Sharnid, and that random girl who saw you for the first time yesterday aren't youz?!?!
Zuellni: I may look like I'm three, but I'm actually 8000 years old.
Layfon: O rly?
Layfon: Well, Mr. Goat is actually 24000 years old.
Zuellni: *GASP* You like 'em older?~!?
Zuellni: Well you know wat, I'm going to find a really hard filth monster so I can get rid of Nina, Felli, Mei, Naruki, Gorneo, Shante, Harley, and Sharnid! I'll make a deal with Mr./Miss Grendan and finish off Leerin, too! Then I'll finish Mr. Goat off myself!
Zuellni: And den, wez will be together foreverrrrrrrrr~

Oh god that would be horrible.

zibi88
2009-04-25, 14:30
Well monster fight will occur next expisode ^^ and seriously Nina screwed the match alone.... she trys to be like layfon a single fighter full of herself.... not knowing about her level and not thinking about other squad members..... in my eyes she failed as captain (she could waited for blondie and shanrid to come for back up... yet Nina was full of herself and she fought alone and becouse she lost the whole squad lost too....)

Ehhh I would love to see how fast the squad1 leader would lose to Layfon :P but well Layfon (who is not even fully recovered) was forced to go on a secret mission to go into a monster nest.... (zerenii city went in amok.... dont know what is going on with the fairy.... but looking at official page and preview it looks like zerenii is evolving or something [she is locked in a crystal thing] )

Leerin decided to go to Zerenii ^^ queen saw that she cant stop her in any way.... Savarius wants mostly the goat's power for himself so mostly he will go wit leerin like 2in1 (sacarious will travel to zerenii.... and leerin will have protection for her trip) and well her father gived her a present for Layfon which is his blade from grendan... the one that he was training with,.... leerin recognizes that dite smiles and blushes :P ) heh soon she will be able to hug layfon XD

hmmm that Felli scene was mostly becouse felli come with that little flower.... yet he saw that on layfons furniture next to him is a big flower vase [from nina I suppose]... felli kinda got jelous kicked his bed and walked away but layfon saw that flower she was holding....

ipernorris
2009-04-25, 14:58
Is Zuellni evolving? I hope she won't become another Goat! :heh:

Vash002
2009-04-25, 16:00
DVD 2 it's out too.
And of course chapter 2 of Legend of Regios, can't wait for ep 16 RAW.

Archmagination2002
2009-04-25, 16:41
Oh no!! Zuelleni is going through puberty!!

Everyone run for the hills!! If you thought she was a handful as a child you just got to check her out as a teenager.

ricaryx
2009-04-25, 17:38
RAW is out!

monir
2009-04-25, 18:57
Saw the episode. A quick post before I log out...

The 2channers don't know what they are talking about. Nina's leadership is far from being questioned here. Just have a listen to the dialogue. :) She has come a long way from the hot-headed idiot she was in the beginning.

It's also becoming clear who was behind the incident on the bridge. Even though the mission to capture the Haikizoku is based under that very assumption, the suspect is very obvious at this point.

Lastly, looks like Leerin will be coming to see Layfon pretty soon. Ironically, Mayshen has taken herself out of the race almost as if to make room for Leerin. Tis' was a bitter-sweet farewell from Mayshen to Layfon. And Layfon isn't all that clueless after all. He just keeps his distance for his own reasons.

p.s. Had to feel for Mayshen in the episode.

CybEssen
2009-04-25, 19:25
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/einprz/th_snapshot20090425195744.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/einprz/?action=view&current=snapshot20090425195744.jpg)
Mei/May is strong~

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/einprz/th_snapshot20090425200603.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/einprz/?action=view&current=snapshot20090425200603.jpg)
Grandpa entrusts a nuclear warhead to Leerin. Ruh rohs.

Honorable mentions:
Felli hospital scene & war of flowers.
Siena joins Platoon XVII.
Nina gets wtfpwned to the stomach. Looked painful.
Felli isn't the only one with the metal bending kick, Siena has it, too!
Bridge conspiracy~ etc.

Edit: Oh forgot this, Ai no Zuellni feat. Mayshen Torinden ED. (Duet)

TrueKnight
2009-04-25, 21:15
2chners complaints were misleading. Nina did fine in leading department but man too bad she had to face Vance head on where in terms of combat skills and experiences he's still way ahead of her, but overall the battle made sense. Mei's part had it coming too imo. They're living in a whole different world and finally she realized it. Good thing for Layfon being passive and let her figure them all by herself but it's still somewhat sad.

Man oh man they had to tease us with Layfon teaming up with the Salinvan's and their darth vader lookalike nen-i user and Leerin insistence coming to Zuellni bringing 'holyshitznitz' broken dite, made me wonder if it's the legendary Psyharden katana or the Heaven Blade...... probably the Psyharden katana.

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-04-25, 21:41
@monir and TrueKnight

Thanks for the heads up, glad for the 2ch comments being wrong or misleading now :D I have my own doubts about 2ch since they are mostly... Bunch of complainers, to be exact. But still, it's hard to differ which one is making sense or just complaints, seeing that streaming is impossible for me. :heh:

I still need for the RAW to be available via DDL -_-; Joy for torrent being a b***h at times like these... And when I finally have figured out this thing! D:

aapmenss
2009-04-25, 21:52
yay at the end leerin is going to bring layfon that psyharden sworD :D

Bonta Kun
2009-04-25, 22:18
2chners complaints were misleading. Nina did fine in leading department but man too bad she had to face Vance head on where in terms of combat skills and experiences he's still way ahead of her, but overall the battle made sense. Mei's part had it coming too imo. They're living in a whole different world and finally she realized it. Good thing for Layfon being passive and let her figure them all by herself but it's still somewhat sad.

Man oh man they had to tease us with Layfon teaming up with the Salinvan's and their darth vader lookalike nen-i user and Leerin insistence coming to Zuellni bringing 'holyshitznitz' broken dite, made me wonder if it's the legendary Psyharden katana or the Heaven Blade...... probably the Psyharden katana.

lol have you already forgotten what the HB dite looks like, it looks like a dinky little sword, wheres as that Psyharden katana dite looks like everyother bladed dite:)

I'm not liking this May-chan(wow after 16 eps gonna be a little tough getting used to her real name lol:)) bowing out stuff, she can't be?!!

whos gonna provide my over the top moeblobness??!!

Felli and Sheina show us nothing is safe from their wraith:heh:


also you know I was thinking that after everything I wonder why Fon-Fon just doesn't really wtf the pwnzor Haia and tell him to GTFO

Sinta
2009-04-25, 22:18
Ok so we don't know which Dite Leerin is bringing? It doesn't look like the Heaven's blade. It would be pretty much all over at that point....

TrueKnight
2009-04-25, 22:54
lol have you already forgotten what the HB dite looks like, it looks like a dinky little sword, wheres as that Psyharden katana dite looks like everyother bladed dite 

I'm not liking this May-chan(wow after 16 eps gonna be a little tough getting used to her real name lol() bowing out stuff, she can't be?!!

whos gonna provide my over the top moeblobness??!!

Felli and Sheina show us nothing is safe from their wraith :heh:


also you know I was thinking that after everything I wonder why Fon-Fon just doesn't really wtf the pwnzor Haia and tell him to GTFO

Yea you’re right the HB dite’s shape looks like a toy sword. So Leerin’s bringing a badass Pysharden katana sword handed down only to the worthy and most capable Psyharden’s disciple practitioner aka Fon-fon. Guess Leerin’s dad thought that Layfon’s the only one worthy enough to wield it right now considering Lyuhou (sp?) the previous Psyharden master had passed away.

And Fon-fon couldn’t tell Haia to GTFO considering it was him and his gang who informs Kallian and co that the bugs are closing in so yeah I expect a major Fon-fon x Haia tag team kicking FM’s ass hard next week. And seems like Nina’s going to be the one facing the goat next ep knowing that the goat seem is after Zuellni.

margafred
2009-04-26, 00:41
Wow Mayshen really stole Layfon from my Felli for 2 episodes already :(

And i guess Leerin finally can make her debut in the love competition.Can't wait to see that :D

Overall episode was nice.Although lost to Vance,Nina remain calm and accepted her defeat,and realize that her power is still nowhere near strong.She sure has mature alot ever since Layfon taught her about the reality of battle.At least she try,and she knew she would lost it...but she still tried for it,coz she didn't want to rely forever on Layfon only for everything.

Shena on the other hand...pretty much like the "immature" version of Nina,whom couldn't accept losing in a battle,and has great pride on ownself.

But leave that character development aside,as i rather turn my attention now on the upcoming love war between Nina,Felli,Mayshen and Leerin. :D

0rphen21
2009-04-26, 00:47
could someone tell me what mayshen told layfon at the end is she really bowing out of competition for fon fon???

zibi88
2009-04-26, 01:01
well maybe mayshen stepped back becouse she thinks that they are living in 2different worlds and that she has no chance ect....... but here Leerin is needed :P she has to see that even normal people have a chance with Layfon and so Mayshen will try again her efforts ^^

margafred
2009-04-26, 01:42
could someone tell me what mayshen told layfon at the end is she really bowing out of competition for fon fon???
She didn't state about goodbye or anything along the line towards Layfon,coz she never had anything with Layfon to begin with (i mean does Layfon acknowledge her as his girlfriend?)

She asked about a series of question during the conversation,about Layfon had to go to somewhere and battling,and alone facing all those harshness.Layfon didn't answer her.And at the end of conversation,her last sentences implied that she didn't want to be a burden to Layfon,since all this time its always Layfon that look after her.Of course Layfon didn't give any respond.

But overall i think its not the end of story for Mayshen yet.She just need time to get her feeling and thinking back in the right line.

P/s - I know i shouldn't support any girl other than Felli..yet i.... =.+'''

TrueKnight
2009-04-26, 02:33
Warning, ep 17 preview action pack alert,

Prelude to battle, http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios02.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios03.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios04.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios05.jpg


Let’s ready to rumble,
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http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090426_re_04.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090426_re_05.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090426_re_06.jpg
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Looks good mmhmmm..

Von Himmel
2009-04-26, 02:54
http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090426_re_12.jpg
There's one person here who seems to be doing nothin' >.>
I wonder what he will do. .

Sleepy Speculator
2009-04-26, 03:26
Telekinesis user? got some little lights near him/her, providing communications i'd guess.

MrTerrorist
2009-04-26, 04:04
Saw the episode. A quick post before I log out...

The 2channers don't know what they are talking about. Nina's leadership is far from being questioned here. Just have a listen to the dialogue. :) She has come a long way from the hot-headed idiot she was in the beginning.


2chners complaints were misleading.

That's why we shouldn't trust from a bunch of idiots who complains too much just because it's not moe for their taste.

solembum
2009-04-26, 04:57
hmmm. they always do a nice set up episode eh. anyway who is that 1 in the white battle suit? is it felli?

and I just watched the OP again and I think fon fon is using a katana there (at least it was not double edged) 1:43.... maybe it was the psyharden sword :D


and I'm starting to like the new ED..:p

black_cat1
2009-04-26, 05:25
Leerin will come to see Fon Fon :x, finally :x, we love u Leerin xD. Fon Fon will show the world his true power next time when he receive the dite from Leerin xD

Dess
2009-04-26, 05:33
hmmm. they always do a nice set up episode eh. anyway who is that 1 in the white battle suit? is it felli?

and I just watched the OP again and I think fon fon is using a katana there (at least it was not double edged) 1:43.... maybe it was the psyharden sword :D


and I'm starting to like the new ED..:p

I think the one in white it's Sheina :p and Layfon is using his Adamandite

zibi88
2009-04-26, 10:28
http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200904/090426_re_12.jpg
There's one person here who seems to be doing nothin' >.>
I wonder what he will do. .

Well while listening to raw it is stated that that masked guy can smell filth monsters.... so he was the one that foudn the place filled with many monsters

in preview of next on official site it was mentioned that there is enpught monsters to keep busy 12th HB.... while there is only Layfon... and maybe Haia that have a chance against monsters....

CybEssen
2009-04-26, 10:58
And seems like Nina’s going to be the one facing the goat next ep knowing that the goat seem is after Zuellni.

Interesting, seeing as she meets the requirements to be possessed just like Dein did. Strong sense of protection for the city, although not to the extremes that Dein went to.

http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios02.jpg

Going to go ahead and assume that is Leerin on a bus to Zuellni, hopefully it doesn't intersect with the fighting if that is indeed a bus she is on.

Savaris reporting to the Queen that Leerin has left for Zuellni? Sent after Leerin? No idea.

I have a feeling Grendan and Zuellni (the cities) will meet each other at some point, aren't they only 1200km apart or did I read that paper wrong?

Maybe we'll see some fighting that isn't just parrying and then a 1 hit K.O.


As for Mayshen, it's probably not over for her just yet, a brief respite maybe. Mifi wouldn't allow such a thing~

EDIT: Subs out~

TrueKnight
2009-04-26, 11:31
^ Rofl wtf you beat me to it. :heh:

Yea the sub is out by Ayako. Man I swear these guys are on 'roids these couple of weeks with their speed. Thanks and kudos to them. :D

ipernorris
2009-04-26, 11:48
Yea the sub is out by Ayako. Man I swear these guys are on 'roids these couple of weeks with their speed. Thanks and kudos to them. :D
The fear of Goatchan fansubs catching up would input fear to anyone! :heh:

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-04-26, 11:51
http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios02.jpg

[B]Going to go ahead and assume that is Leerin on a bus to Zuellni, hopefully it doesn't intersect with the fighting if that is indeed a bus she is on.

Savaris reporting to the Queen that Leerin has left for Zuellni? Sent after Leerin? No idea.

I have a feeling Grendan and Zuellni (the cities) will meet each other at some point, aren't they only 1200km apart or did I read that paper wrong?





Wish for the best for Leerin dear, wish for the best...

Well, the Queen is giving Savaris an order. Most probably to follow and take care of Leerin. Oh and secretly of course.

And Grendan and Zuellni will meet someday... But not soon, not soon. Probably not in the anime anyway.

Guess I need to pay more attention if I were to pick up the novel back-I forgot about Layfon getting a wound in past episode from the novel... :< Got distracted with these games I need to check.

blitz1/2
2009-04-26, 12:18
yea way to go Nina, thx for losing.

I knew it. Without Layfon, she is USELESS. (At least the other members put up a much better fight.

Manji Midou
2009-04-26, 13:08
my goddess finally makes her way to layfon...
hah! l would like to see that worthless loli try and hit layfon with her around!

germanturkey
2009-04-26, 13:24
its game over for all the other girls now. Leerin's on her way... And as suspected, Nina is fail without Layfon. and i loved Shena's reaction after the match. the passion of the fight is something Nina is missing in only trying to become stronger.

anyways, Layfon goes god-tier once he gets that dite? but doesn't it take months to travel between cities? i'm willing to bet the queen will secretly send someone to accompany Leerin. I want to say Savaris, since he wants to investigate the thing too. if the bus is going the same way as those monsters, it'll make for good drama. "Layfon reunited with his friend in the heat of battle! RESTORATION!"

overall, great episode. Nina and Felli both belittled.

ipernorris
2009-04-26, 13:30
Anway nobody noticed Zuellni got CONSIDERABLY bigger?

velvet nightmare
2009-04-26, 15:01
i dont get why shiena was so mad

they're up against the top team right? so it's not like 17th squad would all of a sudden wtfpwn the head of the military arts right after subbing someone in

granted they may not be #1 w/o layfon but they could be comfortably sitting at #2 right?

germanturkey
2009-04-26, 15:10
its because Shena said Nina is the captain, and by the rules, she's out, they lose. and Nina was like, don't worry about me, you just do your job. but little did Nina know that she's actually weak. Plus it was a humiliating defeat because Nina couldn't even force a block out of Vance (or w/e his name is). Had there been another person there, maybe she would have lasted longer, but Nina was too arrogant.

i highly doubt that without Layfon they'd be #2. without him, they're probably towards the bottom of the rankings because Nina is obviously weak and lacking in skills and leadership. its just that when you get Layfon on your team, its gg for anyone they're facing. in my opinion, Shena > Nina in terms of ability.

golthin
2009-04-26, 15:20
i highly doubt that without Layfon they'd be #2. without him, they're probably towards the bottom of the rankings because Nina is obviously weak and lacking in skills and leadership. its just that when you get Layfon on your team, its gg for anyone they're facing. in my opinion, Shena > Nina in terms of ability.

very true. layfon is really like putting a major leage pitcher to play with 12 year old kids, completely unfair. You saw during the practice in episode 15 how he pwned everyone.

aliasxn
2009-04-26, 15:48
Hmm... Subs are out, I see. Good Lord, Ayako, what took you guys so long? :heh:


Btw, what is so special about the Heaven Blades? The dites, I mean. Because when I first heard that Leerin would go to Zulleni carrying Layfon's sword I assumed it would be his heaven blade. I was under the impression that HBs were the ultimate weapons in Regios universe...

zibi88
2009-04-26, 16:32
Hmm... Subs are out, I see. Good Lord, Ayako, what took you guys so long? :heh:


Btw, what is so special about the Heaven Blades? The dites, I mean. Because when I first heard that Leerin would go to Zulleni carrying Layfon's sword I assumed it would be his heaven blade. I was under the impression that HBs were the ultimate weapons in Regios universe...

the subs were out already few hours ago..... and they done that quicly... !! normaly it would show up tomarrow !

about that sword.... no its not that white sword that layfon used to cut Gahard's arm.... Leerin is carrying other sword.... mostly a sword that is passed down throught all psyharden ability users..... since Layfon is mostly one of the strognest psyharden now.... he deserves that sword (mostly a katana-like type since psyhardens are using)........ or this sword is the first sword that layfon was useing before he becomed HB.... his training sword and the one which he was fighting in the match before he becomed the 12th HB (it had to be strong becouse becouse layfons kei was strong from beggining and normal weapons would break)

I think that Layfon will finaly start to use a katana weapon more when Leerin comes to zerenii.... she will give layfon that weapon and the same it would be a sign that leerins dad doesnt hold any grudge against layfon.... maybe he will feel that he can use katana again and use psyhardcen skills to the maximum ^^ (without worrying that his weapon will break XD)

golthin
2009-04-26, 16:34
Hmm... Subs are out, I see. Good Lord, Ayako, what took you guys so long? :heh:


Btw, what is so special about the Heaven Blades? The dites, I mean. Because when I first heard that Leerin would go to Zulleni carrying Layfon's sword I assumed it would be his heaven blade. I was under the impression that HBs were the ultimate weapons in Regios universe...

HB is what they call the 12 best warriors of glendan. Layfon was once one of them but now there are only 11 of them. The queen has not appointed one yet.

Hao
2009-04-26, 16:39
I wonder what Goat is going to do once he finds out Layfon is going to be recieving a new dite (If he even uses it that is :mad:), having a harem ain't easy :heh:

TrueKnight
2009-04-26, 18:17
Come on now Nina's isn't that bad. She acted as decoy so the rest of the team could capture the flag. She manage to take one of Vance's grunts but alas the smoke bomb tactic and her facing Vance head on too soon didn't give chance for the rest of the team to reach the flag. And she did overestimate herself but I wouldn't say she's useless....er yeah.

>.>

Vash002
2009-04-26, 18:54
Episode was good, that part with Meishen and Layfon was killing me. Oh god, she's so adorable. And too bad for the squad, but it's expected when they go against a top squad. That masked guy was pretty cool.
So engrish this week was pretty much the end of the Chapter 2.
And if you haven't watched it, you are lost.
Episode 15 clip ends with Garfeat shooting to a man sleeping. It continues on DVD: Garfeat kills this guy and the body falls to the floor, in the last second this man face splits (Eyes, ears, mouth, etc), and they run away. Garfeat gets to stop the mouth by stomp it very hard. He starts to interrogate "Faceman". Some torture happens and the other parts are back, the eyes, etc.
Ep 16 clip is the end of the DVD chapter, with the eyes distracting Garfeat with a water rain and the mouth gets to escape and fuses to form a face again, and eating Garfeat.
The part of the detectives happens after Ramiz asks Dominio to let her call her mother and kids, not after Garfeat gets attacked by Faceman.

aliasxn
2009-04-26, 20:20
HB is what they call the 12 best warriors of glendan. Layfon was once one of them but now there are only 11 of them. The queen has not appointed one yet.

They are called Heaven Blade receivers, so I thought it was an actual weapon that they got for being so strong. So it's just a title? There's nothing particularly special about the dites?

Ichiban Hayai
2009-04-26, 20:20
I think the dite that is given to Leerin is the sword of the previous headmaster of psyharden who resently died. I think he was also Layfons' mentor.

A few episodes back the queen informed Leerin and her father about his death providing some sort of evidence.

CybEssen
2009-04-26, 21:25
They are called Heaven Blade receivers, so I thought it was an actual weapon that they got for being so strong. So it's just a title? There's nothing particularly special about the dites?

Pretty sure the weapons are hax or way up there, seeing as how there are only twelve of them. Title is probably just a bonus, gloating rights, loliamstrongerthanyou, garners respect, celebrity status, special treatment, etc. Basically, anyone who has the title is a strong bastard or as close to inhuman as you can get. It also seems to put you in rock star status as people in other cities know what a Heaven's Blade is.

Take Layfon as an example. His Heaven's Blade dite could handle his kei potential while the weak training dites could not and shattered upon overload. The HB dites are on a pretty high level, as they are able to pierce mature Filth Monster carapaces rather easily while weaker dites like the Adamantite v1 just bounce off without a steady and high concentration of kei infusion.

A few episodes back the queen informed Leerin and her father about his death providing some sort of evidence.

It was a lock of hair and it might have been the dite as well, but I can't seem to remember if it was the same box as the one he hands to Leerin in this episode.

HayashiTakara
2009-04-26, 21:57
Get ready for some "baby momma drama" :heh:

the romance sector is going to boil to unfathomable degrees :heh:

Nosauz
2009-04-26, 22:22
and the harem just gets bigger and bigger, some drama for the mama's exciting stuff.

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-04-26, 22:38
They are called Heaven Blade receivers, so I thought it was an actual weapon that they got for being so strong. So it's just a title? There's nothing particularly special about the dites?

Just like CybEssen said, the weapons (not exactly blades, mind you. There is a gun, gauntlet, name anything else) are the ones called Heaven Blades to be exact. There is a reason why in the original Japanese, the Heaven Blade members are called Heaven Blade Receiver *insert name here*, mind you.

I do know that one of the reason it got shortened to "Heaven Blades" do have something called convenience :heh:

Although Heaven Blades are not exactly the title that marked that their power are in inhumane level, look at the Queen. She is like, 100000x more powerful than any of the Heaven Blades lol. They do have Kei abilities and potential exceeding normal humans to the point of doing a one man battle with Filth Monsters alive.

blewin
2009-04-26, 23:33
not a bad episode, but nothing extraordinary either. I like the scene with Layfon and Mei-Shen and how the scene just cut to him commenting "delicious". So much is left unsaid in that scene but so much is also said!! Love the contradictory emotions generated there.

What I don't like is the ending scene that cuts straight to Leerin. The pace just doesn't feel right... disjointed, as if Leerin's worry of Layfon doesn't matter much. Just not portrayed delicately enough. On top of that, it's Leerin who hasn't been returning Layfon's letters (novel spoiler) and not the reverse. I don't like how the anime changed that bit either.

BetoJR
2009-04-26, 23:58
blewin, I don't think you should have that spoiler there, out in the open... It's changed, alright, but still...

black_cat1
2009-04-27, 00:07
Although Heaven Blades are not exactly the title that marked that their power are in inhumane level, look at the Queen. She is like, 100000x more powerful than any of the Heaven Blades lol. They do have Kei abilities and potential exceeding normal humans to the point of doing a one man battle with Filth Monsters alive.
I think the royal have some special abilities in their bloodline.

Well, I can forgive Nina this time, 3 members vs 5 members, Nina fight with Vance's company when Sharnid anh Sherna was hold down by 2 members of squad 1. Squad 17 have 5 members but only 3 of them can fight when squad 1 can fight with all their member.

zibi88
2009-04-27, 00:24
not a bad episode, but nothing extraordinary either. I like the scene with Layfon and Mei-Shen and how the scene just cut to him commenting "delicious". So much is left unsaid in that scene but so much is also said!! Love the contradictory emotions generated there.

What I don't like is the ending scene that cuts straight to Leerin. The pace just doesn't feel right... disjointed, as if Leerin's worry of Layfon doesn't matter much. Just not portrayed delicately enough. On top of that, it's Leerin who hasn't been returning Layfon's letters (novel spoiler) and not the reverse. I don't like how the anime changed that bit either.

mostly the animators went logicaly there.... Leerin is doing mostly nothing all the day besides school so she has time to write letters..... while Layfon is constantly busy with stuff..... fighting monsters, trainings, matches, work at machinery, work at police, school, now hospital..... so he is busy all day and writing a letter in it is hard :P


heh but what is funny at the beggining that Leerin has good feelings..... I mean she told that Layfon might be sick or injured (queen no way its possible if its layfon)..... yet Layfon is heavy injured...... Leerin says that Layfon is carrying whole burden alone..... Layfon is going again alone fight monsters (like he becomed a tool to keep the city save even throught he just come out from operation table... Layfon seriously should punch that CEO in face for that...)

In previous episodes Leerin was complainig about queens words in that bar...the stuff that Layfon wont come back...... later layfon says to meishen that he cant go back to grendan becouse he was kicked out from there.....

hehe and another funny stuff is that queen choosed wrong words again :P first she said that in ep15 that she could make a mistake by kicking Layfon out.... and now in ep16 she says that she mostly choosed wrong words and the same Leerin is more motivated to leave grendan

I was wondering by looking on 1spoiler picture for next ep...the one with the goat.... nina mostly will meet him....... so maybe the goat will posses nina.... give her power (in order to proetect zerenii like she wishes for all the time).... but personaly I think that that would be cheating.... Nina has to get power by her own training and motivation and not easy going with goat power.... Layfon was kinda training his ass off and abondoned the thinking he is a human just to get power in order to protect something importatnt to him.......... anyway I doubt that nina would be powerfull just like queen.... since ot be like that first you need to have be super strong like layfon.... so adding a spirit to it would be additional power level XD........ the goat can see the "flame" of need in nina.... like she wants to be stronger but she cant... and the same she is weak and loseing matches.... the same she is not able to protect zerenii spirit....

time will show but I hope it wont happen since it would be another sign that nina is weak and needs help for getting power from other sources and not throught hard work....... I just hope that the goat will explain what is going on to zereniii and where Layfon is now...

Johnny
2009-04-27, 01:12
I always thought if something hitched to Nina it would be Zuellni itself. Having the goat would be like eating a mad cow disease hamburger. Eventually wouldn't it take over and go ballistic like it did with Dee...?

slidingk1
2009-04-27, 01:46
Is it just me or is no one else worried about the pacing of this anime. Things are moving slowly and I'm worried that they will cram lots of junk in the last 4 episodes.

solembum
2009-04-27, 04:47
I always thought if something hitched to Nina it would be Zuellni itself. Having the goat would be like eating a mad cow disease hamburger. Eventually wouldn't it take over and go ballistic like it did with Dee...?

sadly zuellni can't do that or else the city will have no more "consciousness"

-Sho-
2009-04-27, 06:15
Good episode . Too bad they lost vs 1st platoon . Shena was angry :)
Lol Felli's part with Layfon was hilarious ^^
Layfon have to kill the filth monster with Haia and his partners . Fermaus seems a good psychonetist .
We can see in the engrish part the same thing in the sky like when the bridge fell .
The ultimate dite psyharden with all techniques , oh god , Layfon will be even more a freaking badass . So Leerin will give to him . I think Savaris will follow her .

MrTerrorist
2009-04-27, 07:51
I like how Nina progress into a mature character but i'm piss at the folks at myanimelist who thinks she's stupid and a weakling when they forgetting she knew she would be beaten but was willing to take the risk to try her best and was no longer the immature Captain that she was.

Wargumm1i
2009-04-27, 08:16
Nina isint mature, she is naive and weak lol. She only likes too act mature and believe she is strong. Which Vance proved she wasent.

MrTerrorist
2009-04-27, 08:24
Yes she's weak but at least she mature unlike Shena.

Nosauz
2009-04-27, 08:27
I'm amazed at how much action mei is getting, and here I always thought of her as a minor character whos only attraction to layfon was duue to being rescued, but I guess maybe that relationship will be deeper than first precieved.

TrueKnight
2009-04-27, 09:33
What I don't like is the ending scene that cuts straight to Leerin. The pace just doesn't feel right... disjointed, as if Leerin's worry of Layfon doesn't matter much.

As a guy whose source of regios knowledge and its characters mostly comes from the anime, I can safely say and know from the scene you mention that Leerin loves and cares for Layfon very very dearly. So us non-novel readers aren’t really missing much. :/

Of course my priority preference is still one and only Felli x Fon-fon.

Lostdreams
2009-04-27, 10:47
I'm amazed at how much action mei is getting, and here I always thought of her as a minor character whos only attraction to layfon was duue to being rescued, but I guess maybe that relationship will be deeper than first precieved.

sad though that mei will never recieve Layfon's love.

CybEssen
2009-04-27, 11:03
I'm amazed at how much action mei is getting, and here I always thought of her as a minor character whos only attraction to layfon was duue to being rescued, but I guess maybe that relationship will be deeper than first precieved.

It's a trap! We've all been geassed~ I do feel kind of the same way, she's getting all the good parts. But I guess that's what happens when the other candidates don't gather the courage and step up. Nina and Felli let perfectly good chances slip away and instead end up yelling...or kicking stuff.

Leerin is fine. Almost every single scene she has she mentions Layfon a couple of times. Good enough. It's like one of the only words in her vocabulary. Layfon Layfon Layfon Layfon Layfon Layfon Layfon Layfon.

Nina just got another reality check, that's all. She thought her platoon was the shit, until Vance came along and they really missed Layfon in that match. It's better this way, you get better after you falter. Nina has come a long way, but still needs a bit of work.

Shena on the other hand is acting like Nina during the first couple of eps. Here we go again... Sharnid fix your girlfriend. :rolleyes:


I was wondering by looking on 1spoiler picture for next ep...the one with the goat.... nina mostly will meet him....... so maybe the goat will posses nina.... give her power (in order to proetect zerenii like she wishes for all the time).... but personaly I think that that would be cheating.... Nina has to get power by her own training and motivation and not easy going with goat power.... Layfon was kinda training his ass off and abondoned the thinking he is a human just to get power in order to protect something importatnt to him.......... anyway I doubt that nina would be powerfull just like queen.... since ot be like that first you need to have be super strong like layfon.... so adding a spirit to it would be additional power level XD........ the goat can see the "flame" of need in nina.... like she wants to be stronger but she cant... and the same she is weak and loseing matches.... the same she is not able to protect zerenii spirit....

Goat is a pimp. :eyespin:

sad though that mei will never recieve Layfon's love.

It's better to remain silent at times when it comes to things like these, which is what Layfon did on the trolley. He's not as dumb as we all think he is. But you're right, as of right now, Mayshen thinks of it the same way which is why she said what she did on the trolley.

Arkard
2009-04-27, 11:11
I think the royal have some special abilities in their bloodline.


I believe the source of the queen's power lies within the Haikizoku. Savaris was saying how the power of the Haikizoku is just like the Queen's.

Seems like Nina's gonna confront Zuellni next episode.

Nina: Zuellni what's going on? Why are you causing all these disasters? Layfon got hurt you know!
Zuellni: I didn't mean to hurt him! I was just trying to get rid of that girl that was trying to pick him up!
Nina: What!? Mei? :twitch: :frustrated:
Zuellni: Merge with me Nina and together you, me, and Goat-san can have Layfon all to ourselves!
Nina: ****ing Electric Fairy puberty... :eek:

Also, Felli's crossing the borderline to jealousy abuse. Before, she kicked stuff out of sight of Layfon when she was jealous, like the pole. Now she's directly kicking stuff while jealous in front of him like the bed. (with him in it >_<) Next up, borrowing from Big Bro's playbook and kidnapping!

-Sho-
2009-04-27, 11:25
I wonder why Zuellni is the cuttest haikizoku :) Grendan and the goat are animals .
I see more Leerin with Layfon , they make a good couple ^^

ipernorris
2009-04-27, 11:30
I wonder why Zuellni is the cuttest haikizoku :) Grendan and the goat are animals .
I see more Leerin with Layfon , they make a good couple ^^
Zuellni is an electronic fairy, not an haikizoku.
The term haikizoku specifically indicates an electronic fairy who lost his city to protect, so he goes berserk.

Von Himmel
2009-04-27, 11:45
Also, Felli's crossing the borderline to jealousy abuse. Before, she kicked stuff out of sight of Layfon when she was jealous, like the pole.
If you noticed. . the pole was bent. If Felli would fight in platoon fight, her kicks should be one of their special move :) *runs

The ending song is beautiful. Err, the one who sing the boy's voice is Layfon's seiyuu right ? I really like at how Meishen sing it like that. It's just soothing and really touch my heart.

And Nina. . well, she's reckless. But oh well, considering that she's only has 3 person to fight in, it's pretty hard to do things like that. And Vanze is a veteran, so I think it's pretty acceptable. . >.>

From what I've seen, grouping her with the others might make her more disadvantageous to win. Fighting head on would make it 3 vs 5, and not to mention that they can get surrounded easily if Vanze could predict it. Surrounded with a group of 2 in-fighter and 1 sniper is not fun.

willyvereb
2009-04-27, 12:09
Yeah...I think Nina did almost the best thing she could do. He has a nen-i user a sniper and shock trooper in her team. Sharnid not so usefull without a good sniping point and he's the best cooperating with Darsheena. The enemy has the upper hand because they're deffending and they have greater numbers(and probably more experienced fighters...perhaps that's what Nina tends to forget.)
We tend to treat Nina as weak but that's the opposite. Everyone we compare her are ridiculously strong. We have 6th grader top fighter(Vanze, probably the second strongest student after Layfon), a prodigial 5th grader loli(Shante), a 5th grader from Grendan and the little brother of a HB reciever(Gorneo), a 4th grader on Kei enchanter drugs(Sheena), and a badass 1st grader ex-HB reciever Layfon.
And what's Nina? A talented 3th grader military artist who ran away from home(and cancelled her military arts training there and learnt a new way of fighting at Zuellni).
Really...too much anime tends to make the people forget the age of characters. Everyone she fought against and loose had much more experience and time to train than her. We always hope the unexpected from her...but CSR tries to stay at the limits stated by it's own world.Nina has nothing special except her willpower.(Electronic Fairly communication and "dimmension travell" don't count as special in battle situations:p)
About the episode altogether:
It's surprisingly less action packed than i expected. Well...i seriously hoped for a little Nina badassery(despite what i stated).
I have a feeling that the masked person actually a HB reciever(he's similar to the fully armored dude from the HB pictures).
Meishen gains points at Layfon again and Felli behaves more and more openly(And Nina got some sense of reality on the hard way again:p).

panpo98
2009-04-27, 12:39
Also, Felli's crossing the borderline to jealousy abuse. Before, she kicked stuff out of sight of Layfon when she was jealous, like the pole. Now she's directly kicking stuff while jealous in front of him like the bed. (with him in it >_<) Next up, borrowing from Big Bro's playbook and kidnapping!

Actually the opposite. You are forgetting that Felli used to kick Layfon directly. The last time she kicked someone was the swimsuit episode then she kicked her big brother so hard that his leg broke. Besides Layfon need to be reminded from time to time.


Shall I try to say something nice about Nina. She is less annoying then before. The price for her mistakes is payed faster and she just look overconfident as opposed to rubbing it in. Nina couldn't do much more after platoon 1 predicted her plan only 3 fighters. A good leader have a plan B though.

Shena anger is understandable and completely true. Someone need to speak up then Nina mes up and it might as well be her. To often have the other keep quiet, done nothing or ignored Nina. I'm will to wait how Shena behaves in the platoon.


I relay hope that Layfon didn't actually ask only Nina to join him on the mission (Asking the entire platoon is OK but not only Nina). That sure would make Felli angry since Felli probably wouldn't be needed if the mercenary tracer is as good as they said he was.

willyvereb
2009-04-27, 13:04
I think Layfon speaks with Nina about the results of the match and that he's going to hunt FM(And she must inform the other platoon members about it). Plus the Electronic Fairly incident...he'll talks her about Zuellni's rampage and to solve it somehow(Nina can talk with the fairies). I highly doubt that Nina'll join the fight. The salivanian mercs have leadership, intelligence data, and power on their side enough. There's no need for any other fighter.

CybEssen
2009-04-27, 13:04
I relay hope that Layfon didn't actually ask only Nina to join him on the mission (Asking the entire platoon is OK but not only Nina). That sure would make Felli angry since Felli probably wouldn't be needed if the mercenary tracer is as good as they said he was.

Layfon probably asked Nina to check on Electronic Fairy Zuellni. Nina is close with the fairy (Maybe closer to Zuellni than anyone in the entire city.) so it makes perfect sense. I don't think it was actual combat that Nina was called in for.

noxian
2009-04-27, 14:12
Yeah...I think Nina did almost the best thing she could do. He has a nen-i user a sniper and shock trooper in her team. Sharnid not so usefull without a good sniping point and he's the best cooperating with Darsheena. The enemy has the upper hand because they're deffending and they have greater numbers(and probably more experienced fighters...perhaps that's what Nina tends to forget.)
We tend to treat Nina as weak but that's the opposite. Everyone we compare her are ridiculously strong. We have 6th grader top fighter(Vanze, probably the second strongest student after Layfon), a prodigial 5th grader loli(Shante), a 5th grader from Grendan and the little brother of a HB reciever(Gorneo), a 4th grader on Kei enchanter drugs(Sheena), and a badass 1st grader ex-HB reciever Layfon.
And what's Nina? A talented 3th grader military artist who ran away from home(and cancelled her military arts training there and learnt a new way of fighting at Zuellni).
Really...too much anime tends to make the people forget the age of characters. Everyone she fought against and loose had much more experience and time to train than her. We always hope the unexpected from her...but CSR tries to stay at the limits stated by it's own world.Nina has nothing special except her willpower.(Electronic Fairly communication and "dimmension travell" don't count as special in battle situations:p)
About the episode altogether:
It's surprisingly less action packed than i expected. Well...i seriously hoped for a little Nina badassery(despite what i stated).
I have a feeling that the masked person actually a HB reciever(he's similar to the fully armored dude from the HB pictures).
Meishen gains points at Layfon again and Felli behaves more and more openly(And Nina got some sense of reality on the hard way again:p).

you forget sharnid has his gun-fu which seems to be more than effective in close combat against anyone other than probably Layfon so far (who knows bout mr. squad 1 captain)
as the shocktrooper, Darshena is probably MORE suited to being the one alone breaking through enemy lines while the others clean up.

Fact is, regardless of how much you like or dislike her character, Nina's "i'll be the lone decoy" plan is a bad strategy no matter how you look at it.

She's basically like the flag, she gets taken out, instant lose.
Yes, she's a flag with a built in defensive mechanism. and yes, its small squad tactics which means you can't shove her in a bunker and just tell her to stay there (limited manpower means she has to fight like everyone else)
but it doesn't change the fact that from a tactical stand point, sticking you flag out there with no hope of receiving any back-up is a stupid plan. Nina's the LAST person who should be isolated on the battlefield on her own.


i think ppl are being overly harsh on Darshena. She held up her end, she's used to being on one of the top squads. her first day with the new team and they lose because the captain gets herself ganked. are you really honestly claiming you all wouldn't feel her exact same frustration? i saw more than a few lockers kicked in back in high school that say otherwise. the litmus test will be how does she behave post-venting. but venting on a locker is rather harmless imo, versus other things or people she could potentially have been venting at.

willyvereb
2009-04-27, 14:47
you forget sharnid has his gun-fu which seems to be more than effective in close combat against anyone other than probably Layfon so far (who knows bout mr. squad 1 captain)
as the shocktrooper, Darshena is probably MORE suited to being the one alone breaking through enemy lines while the others clean up.

Fact is, regardless of how much you like or dislike her character, Nina's "i'll be the lone decoy" plan is a bad strategy no matter how you look at it.

She's basically like the flag, she gets taken out, instant lose.
Yes, she's a flag with a built in defensive mechanism. and yes, its small squad tactics which means you can't shove her in a bunker and just tell her to stay there (limited manpower means she has to fight like everyone else)
but it doesn't change the fact that from a tactical stand point, sticking you flag out there with no hope of receiving any back-up is a stupid plan. Nina's the LAST person who should be isolated on the battlefield on her own.


i think ppl are being overly harsh on Darshena. She held up her end, she's used to being on one of the top squads. her first day with the new team and they lose because the captain gets herself ganked. are you really honestly claiming you all wouldn't feel her exact same frustration? i saw more than a few lockers kicked in back in high school that say otherwise. the litmus test will be how does she behave post-venting. but venting on a locker is rather harmless imo, versus other things or people she could potentially have been venting at.
But i think they had even less chance if they're just stick togewther(i mean all 3 of them). The other platoon have at least twice as many members with actually pretty good experience, so it's even more hopeless. If they're sending out Darsheena alone...then they hardly give a damn about her and just they use one or two members to slow her down. Sharnid and Darsheena are the best together. I think there's only little faults in Nina's plan. Well...she could have retreated and drawed out the main force but it's Nina we're talking about. Sly tactics rarely occours in her palette.
Well...I can't blame Darsheena for being angered too.Losing without you doing anything wrong is...very frustrating.

Eisdrache
2009-04-27, 15:21
But i think they had even less chance if they're just stick togewther(i mean all 3 of them). The other platoon have at least twice as many members with actually pretty good experience, so it's even more hopeless. If they're sending out Darsheena alone...then they hardly give a damn about her and just they use one or two members to slow her down. Sharnid and Darsheena are the best together. I think there's only little faults in Nina's plan. Well...she could have retreated and drawed out the main force but it's Nina we're talking about. Sly tactics rarely occours in her palette.
Well...I can't blame Darsheena for being angered too.Losing without you doing anything wrong is...very frustrating.

Watch Ayako subs 13:05 and the individual fights again, platoon 01 has 5 people, while platoon 17 has 4. As far as I know, 4*2=8. Nina is able to take out 2 of them alone, while Sharnid and Darsheena took out two as well. The only one who seems to be clearly above platoon 17 level is Vance, as proven since Nina had no chance in their fight.

If platoon 17 can avoid Vance as good as possible while being able to deal with the remaining 4 members, then the odds are clearly in favor of platoon 17!

Saying that Nina tried her best might be true, but no matter how you look at it, her plan was not only suicidal but a doomed failure as well. Facing the strongest opponent head on while you are basically a walking flag is idiotic. Nina is obviously overestimating her abilities and thus leading her team to loosing.

For me that is a clear sign that Nina isnt fit to be a leader.

DavidLin
2009-04-27, 19:17
I believe the source of the queen's power lies within the Haikizoku. Savaris was saying how the power of the Haikizoku is just like the Queen's.

Seems like Nina's gonna confront Zuellni next episode.

Nina: Zuellni what's going on? Why are you causing all these disasters? Layfon got hurt you know!
Zuellni: I didn't mean to hurt him! I was just trying to get rid of that girl that was trying to pick him up!
Nina: What!? Mei? :twitch: :frustrated:
Zuellni: Merge with me Nina and together you, me, and Goat-san can have Layfon all to ourselves!
Nina: ****ing Electric Fairy puberty... :eek:

Also, Felli's crossing the borderline to jealousy abuse. Before, she kicked stuff out of sight of Layfon when she was jealous, like the pole. Now she's directly kicking stuff while jealous in front of him like the bed. (with him in it >_<) Next up, borrowing from Big Bro's playbook and kidnapping!

lol u made my day

Fevvers
2009-04-27, 19:26
Eh? I think it's quite clear that Nina isn't really the epitome of a great captain yet, you don't become that overnight, in fact, you don't become that in course of a few months either. It's obvious enough that the series is pushing Nina to change (exactly change in what ways I can't tell for now though), and if the creator knows how to tell a good story what it's doing, then she will, so you guys, don't get your panties in a twist. ;)

ani_d
2009-04-27, 19:52
I still need to watch the subs but all in all, this episode was okay for me. It sucks that Nina was the reason they lost despite her hard work, and seeing a complacent reaction from her makes me sympathize with her even more. If she's able to catch the haikizoku (sp) next episode, that should be a good chance to get some power up.:heh:

giorno
2009-04-27, 20:08
I have a feeling that the masked person actually a HB reciever(he's similar to the fully armored dude from the HB pictures).
no, it's not him, and no, it's not an HB receiver. "it" s the salinvan mercenary group's nen-i user, end of the story[for now...]

as for nina, while it's true that she has only a few members in her platoon, she also doesn't seem to be a good strategist/tactician...her plans thus far have always been pretty simplistic, they only worked because there was layfon to clean up everything...without him, her simplistic plan simply fails...it would've been much better to have shena work as decoy, exactly because shena can be sacrificed...

kuroishinigami
2009-04-27, 20:59
Umm, Sheena as a decoy wouldn't work IMO, cuz they would just attack Nina instead even though she's with Sharnid(cuz she's the leader). Although Nina will have better chance surviving, the enemy could just ignore Sheena or put some body shield to slow her down and take down Nina in the meantime. The only reason why Nina can be a decoy is cuz she's the leader and taking her down would mean victory for the defender and the enemy knows it too.

But even with than reasoning, I think it's stupid for Nina to act as a decoy. From strategic view, dividing your force when you're outnumbered is very stupid thing to do. Well, in the first place attacking with lesser force is suicidal actually, but the best thing you can do in that situation is to group together and hope to defeat the enemy through teamwork or focusing your attack on the enemy leader.

Arkard
2009-04-27, 21:38
Actually the opposite. You are forgetting that Felli used to kick Layfon directly. The last time she kicked someone was the swimsuit episode then she kicked her big brother so hard that his leg broke. Besides Layfon need to be reminded from time to time.

I didn't. She did kick Layfon, but what I'm saying is that ever since she realized she likes Layfon, she stopped kicking him and started kicking objects such as the pole and venting her frustration away from him. Now she's perfectly fine venting her frustration with him right there. Next stop is a return to kicking him and not objects. It's a kicking/falling in love curve. She'll be back to kicking him in no time.

Johnny
2009-04-28, 00:10
From the pics of earlier posts for next episode it looks like Layfon is riding duo with Shena. Not sure where she stuffed all her hair to fit into that suit though. Can't tell who the third person is standing next to them in another pic. So maybe he asked for all their help instead of just Nina...

alu546
2009-04-28, 00:21
Wow, this mei stuff has been really moving the last two weeks, I was just hooked at every wordd and reaction being shared. I wonder what happened during the off camera segment? I dont think mei just gives up this early (less she did in the novrls) In anycase, I wonder whats going on there, we might not know for certain forawhile. hough, hes still eating that lunch box, so I dont think anything just ended (permanently anyway). Even if you like anoter character with Layfon, its still sad to see her be upset :(
I didn't. She did kick Layfon, but what I'm saying is that ever since she realized she likes Layfon, she stopped kicking him and started kicking objects such as the pole and venting her frustration away from him. Now she's perfectly fine venting her frustration with him right there. Next stop is a return to kicking him and not objects. It's a kicking/falling in love curve. She'll be back to kicking him in no time.
Lol, because everyone knows that kiicking the bed and popping up a patient with a spinal injury is the ultimate form of felli love. i wish i were joking about that.

i guess it can be cute though.

And finally, it loooks like a genocidal goat is loose in the city. unlike the jealous goat we suspected.

Genocidal goats are much more frightening.

TrueKnight
2009-04-28, 00:58
If platoon 17 can avoid Vance as good as possible while being able to deal with the remaining 4 members, then the odds are clearly in favor of platoon 17!

Saying that Nina tried her best might be true, but no matter how you look at it, her plan was not only suicidal but a doomed failure as well. Facing the strongest opponent head on while you are basically a walking flag is idiotic. Nina is obviously overestimating her abilities and thus leading her team to loosing.

For me that is a clear sign that Nina isnt fit to be a leader.

I think it's just unfortunate that Vance actually wasn't defending the flag but rather went on the offensive hunting the attackers. Nina gambled on this and she lost, but what is a strategy without a risk. Before Layfon's arrival the 17th was like, the lowest of the lowest. Now without Fon-fon chance of platoon 17 to win over platoon 1 imo is only 30-40% in the first place, where they're the underdogs facing the head dude of the military arts and his platoon. Statistically wise nobody expected platoon 17 to actually win except themselves, so what they did is actually quite a feat. >.>;

Bikerider
2009-04-28, 01:44
I am thinking that platoon 1 didn't put their strongest on the field, except for the leader. Knowing Layton is not there, why put the strongest out there ? I think platoon 17 was up against the B team or even the C team. The exception being their leader. On a scale of 1 to 100 I think Nina is around 50 and Vance is close to 100... Layton, I think, is around 10,000 to 100, 000 in comparison.

solembum
2009-04-28, 01:51
I am thinking that platoon 1 didn't put their strongest on the field, except for the leader. Knowing Layton is not there, why put the strongest out there ? I think platoon 17 was up against the B team or even the C team. The exception being their leader. On a scale of 1 to 100 I think Nina is around 50 and Vance is close to 100... Layton, I think, is around 10,000 to 100, 000 in comparison.

I think its very likely that all those are the platoon 1 team. I think there's no such thing thing as team B or C... and vance doesn't seem like a person who will underestimate anyone.. just my two cents ^^

zibi88
2009-04-28, 01:59
From the pics of earlier posts for next episode it looks like Layfon is riding duo with Shena. Not sure where she stuffed all her hair to fit into that suit though. Can't tell who the third person is standing next to them in another pic. So maybe he asked for all their help instead of just Nina...


no the one rideing with Shena is Shanrid.... later we see Shena,Shanrid and Nina standing and looking on something... (you can tell by helm model ^^ Layfon's helmet has at both sides on jaw position 2vent holes.... while shanrid has like 2silver plates ^^)

Layfon is busy killing monsters :P I assume that Layfon told Nina to go see Zerenii fairy... after that she will met the goat which might tell what Layfon is doing..... later she decides to go and help (but seriously she is not needed there.... she couldnt defeat 1st squad captain so she thinks I will kill that monster...... in my eyes in fight there she would be only a hinderance and not help.... Layfon will have to focus no only at fighting monsters but looking for nina nad co.)

I wonder why Haia was lieing down on ground (like sleeping) on 1picture... is it becouse he is resting and leaving fighting to Layfon.... or its over :P (maybe he is there to stop interfering since they nina & co. are not needed there...)


about nina..... well she mostly was thinking.... we were winning all those matches so I have to be strong now.... as a captain she should think of team and not herself.... she was implaying for so long teamwork/teamwork...... and here she doesnt use teamwork to win at all.... I kinda understand she wanted to test her skills.... but not with team efforts sacrafice....... if she couldnt stand a chance against Layfon in previus episode on that training than what she was thinking..... (I mean she couldnt even see layfons speed.... and now 1st captain was faster than nina..... so nina should train speed first)

blewin
2009-04-28, 02:31
Nina's too impatient.

um, that about sums up all the messes she's created so far.

willyvereb
2009-04-28, 02:35
Actually Vanze has the same chances against Layfon as Nina...nothing. It's not an RPG where you can choose what you train...
Well i think Vanze can't possibily used his whole team(5 members are pretty low number...10th platoon had about 8 members)..
If i think about it they have a much better chance against the 1st Pt if they're sticking together, but perhaps we all know that it's anime.
It's rare to find actually good strategies in it(for example Tytania and it's "3 dimensional phalanxes"...nice strategy indeed:p)

Von Himmel
2009-04-28, 05:42
Yeah, the tactics are quite basic itself. A decoy, and then a group to get the flag. Pretty basic. . :(
But looking at the field and how the game plays, I think the numbers of strategy that can be used is also limited. If you put it in an ancient way of thinking, like probably a 'pitfall strategy' or something like that, it's impossible to do so because there's no time to prepare for a trap like that. The trap that can be used in this game is just a 'decoy'. The decoy itself is a trap, and the 'pitfall' is the number of surrounding units to a target.

But judging that Nina is in attacker position, that strategy cannot be used. So I think her strategy at that moment is just fine. And I don't think she can run away from Vanze that quickly either . . She's still managing to become a great leader. Give her time a little, okay ? ^^;

Nanaya
2009-04-28, 06:44
The problem with Nina's strategy is that she gambled on her own strength wherein the problem is that as the attacking force, if she is taken out, they lose the fight automatically. It would've been wiser if she wasn't the lone decoy is probably what they were going at and as to why the plan she had was reckless. It's a good plan, but still reckless. Nina was too overconfident about her own abilities.

Arkard
2009-04-28, 11:17
And finally, it loooks like a genocidal goat is loose in the city. unlike the jealous goat we suspected.

Genocidal goats are much more frightening.

Not as frightening as a genocidal jealous goat. :heh:

germanturkey
2009-04-28, 12:12
nina's just a dumb character. hence why i didn't vote for her in the character poll. i don't know if its the fanboy goggles, but i doubt Nina could have beaten Din, i doubt Nina could beat Shena, i even doubt Nina could beat Shante. i'm hoping that will change, but her turning a blind eye to what's actually giving 17 strength is pissing me off. also, what ever happened to the "i want you to leave platoon 17" thing she had with Layfon?

-Sho-
2009-04-28, 12:20
If Layfon is 10000 to 100000 now so with the ultimate dite he'll be 100000 to 1000000 XD
Yeah too bad for Nina . But the team too without Layfon , they are only 1 sniper , 2 melee fighter , 1 psycho . Its why Nina wanted Naruki in her team for 1 more melee fighter .
Also we got 1 melee fighter + 1 sniper + 1 psycho against random fighter and the leader Nina vs random fighter + their leader . So , obviously Nina , alone , was suicidal . She rate oneself too highly . I understand why the man in the first episode leave the team .

solembum
2009-04-28, 14:11
If Layfon is 10000 to 100000 now so with the ultimate dite he'll be 100000 to 1000000 XD
Yeah too bad for Nina . But the team too without Layfon , they are only 1 sniper , 2 melee fighter , 1 psycho . Its why Nina wanted Naruki in her team for 1 more melee fighter .
Also we got 1 melee fighter + 1 sniper + 1 psycho against random fighter and the leader Nina vs random fighter + their leader . So , obviously Nina , alone , was suicidal . She rate oneself too highly . I understand why the man in the first episode leave the team .

ahhahah lol.. psycho??... be careful us felli fans might just kill you the psychopathARDEN way :P:heh:

@skyfall..

sorry about those near-flame post. will do my best not to go there :p

CybEssen
2009-04-28, 19:17
ahhahah lol.. psycho??... be careful us felli fans might just kill you the psychopathARDEN way :P:heh:


That's what her job description is.. A psychokinetic.

but, I guess.. that works, too. ;)

/run

HayashiTakara
2009-04-28, 21:28
Layfon is a lvl 90 character, his team are lvl 5's and that team tried taking on a leader whos lvl 15, needless to say it was a bad move :heh:

zibi88
2009-04-29, 01:53
well in one episode we saw little training with those robots.... and well there in that short time Layfon had 20x more points than Nina XD...... he would have lot more if they continued since Nina was running out of stamina and strenght while Layfon was full of power and could continue to fight for long time.....

Thre Layfon had level10 while nina level8..... but I think that there is no higher score than level10 :P this play was mostly not made for HB users XD

It would look different in that score board if they were fighting with monsters like replace the robots with larva monster :P than it would be Layfon level10 (similar score)... Nina level1 (points close to 0 )


Nina now learned that without Layfon she is as weak as she was maybe in strenght she is little stronger but she is still weak as captain and is understimateing her own strenght..... Layfon was fighting alone all his life so he is in different case comapred to Nina who was allways relying on teamwork.... so Nina should think more about teamwork and wininig than gambleing with the win....

Anyway Shena is now pissed.... I wonder how she will react to see Layfon fighting all those monsters mostly alone....

Von Himmel
2009-04-29, 05:51
Well, she's not really overestimating her own strength, it's just that she really needs to be a decoy by herself so that the plan works. The main part of the game for her part is to take the flag. Hence, rather than staying on defense it is better to put more parts to the offensive. Since the party that can fight are merely 3 people, Nina should be alone. There's no other choice :(

Bringing one more people with her as a decoy would be bad because they might lose the chance to take the flag with just one people.

Rather than discussing how reckless Nina was by looking at her decision to fight alone, I think looking at how she didn't run from Vanze during that time is more explainable.

ipernorris
2009-04-29, 07:24
If there will be a new match against platoon 1 then they can leave all to Layfon... he can own Vanze and friends without problems.

Master Assassin
2009-04-29, 10:05
I understand why the man in the first episode leave the team .

Actually him leaving the team was SCP's bidding.

aliasxn
2009-04-29, 12:52
nina's just a dumb character. hence why i didn't vote for her in the character poll. i don't know if its the fanboy goggles, but i doubt Nina could have beaten Din, i doubt Nina could beat Shena, i even doubt Nina could beat Shante. i'm hoping that will change, but her turning a blind eye to what's actually giving 17 strength is pissing me off. also, what ever happened to the "i want you to leave platoon 17" thing she had with Layfon?

I feel the same way exactly, her lack of gratitude is starting to piss me off too. She should be thanking the heavens that Fon Fon is on her side.

giorno
2009-04-29, 13:40
wut? why? she's wrong for trying to not rely entirely on reyfon? for trying to get stronger?

remember that they're students, they're there to learn and become proper military artists...if she just keeps relying entirely on reyfon, how are she and sharnid gonna get any good?

she just choose a not-so-productive strategy, thinking she could stall vanze long enough for the others to get the flag...she was wrong, but eh, you can't blame her for being weaker than vanze, he's got 3 years more than her afterall...it would have probably been better to not split up at all, considering they were outnumbered...

aliasxn
2009-04-29, 14:12
It's not just about the last fight, she is not as grateful in general as I feel she should be. Layfon is the one and only reason Platoon 17 is moving up in ranks, the fact that she doesn’t seem to realize it is really annoying to me. Like when she considered kicking him out... She should be terrified at the thought of loosing Fon Fon...

giorno
2009-04-29, 18:29
....uh? did you even watch the last episode? she was actually angry at herself for thinking that without reyfon they couldn't do anything....she realizes reyfon's importance for the platoon full well...and that's exactly the reason why she wants to become stronger, because she doesn't want her platoon, and herself, to be entirely dependent on a single man...

also, why should she feel grateful for reyfon being in her platoon? it's not like he's doing her a favor or anything....and as for her "we shouldn't be in the same platoon", well, that's entirely understandable, given the situation in which she said that(given her personality and philosophy, and given reyfon's personality and what he told her at the time...)

she's really not underestimating reyfon or anything, she's just expressing her opinion...she can't work with a guy who, by his own words, would do anything to live...which would imply the possibility of him abandoning allies and such...she's pretty quick in changing idea after hearing the whole story from ferri...

addict2anime
2009-04-29, 19:31
Realizing that you can't entirely depend on fon-fon for everything is different then doing something about it you kno... Nina's one of those type that really wanna help everyone but.. she just doesn't have the ability to do so O_O. It's like what happened to Dean, it's ok to let otherss handle it if you can't. Besides.. the thing with "he would do anything to live" i think he meant he'd do n e thing to live so he can help the people he cares for... does fon-fon even look like the type to abandon anyone O_O.

WHelp all and all, Nina's brawns do not compare to fon-fons and there fore must bow to fon fon and start using her head since fons fons head is a block of wood ^,..,^ that can't figure out which girls like him until too many episodes later O_o

aliasxn
2009-04-29, 22:45
....uh? did you even watch the last episode? she was actually angry at herself for thinking that without reyfon they couldn't do anything....she realizes reyfon's importance for the platoon full well...and that's exactly the reason why she wants to become stronger, because she doesn't want her platoon, and herself, to be entirely dependent on a single man...

also, why should she feel grateful for reyfon being in her platoon? it's not like he's doing her a favor or anything....and as for her "we shouldn't be in the same platoon", well, that's entirely understandable, given the situation in which she said that(given her personality and philosophy, and given reyfon's personality and what he told her at the time...)

she's really not underestimating reyfon or anything, she's just expressing her opinion...she can't work with a guy who, by his own words, would do anything to live...which would imply the possibility of him abandoning allies and such...she's pretty quick in changing idea after hearing the whole story from ferri...

Oh, she's got a lot to be thankful for! Platoon 17 - and apparently it is a really big thing for her - would've been disbanded if it weren't for Layfon. Not only did she get to keep her Platoon but they started winning matches as well, and stopped being everyone's punching bag (yet another big improvement in her life). And not to mention that he saved her life more than a couple of times... So I really think she should be a little more appreciative of Fon Fon...

As for her reasons for wanting him out... Well... Whatever, I don't like it. She chose to take Gorneo's advice over Layfon's just to spite him, even though Layfon had the most experience out of everyone in that room by far, therefore putting everyone in danger. And she didn't even know the whole story...

Spectacular_Insanity
2009-04-30, 00:16
Well, this is still one of my favorite airing series right now. It really is entertaining.

But can anyone tell me why sometimes people call him Layton and at other times Layfon? I'm not understanding why it changes sometimes.

Lucipher
2009-04-30, 00:36
Am i the only person who loved the fact that she got pwned that bad. She should be Worshipping the ground FonFon walked on for everything FonFon has done for her pathetic arse. Instead all she dose is take all this holier then thouw attitude and it annoys the hell out of me. Maybe now she will start worshiping him like she should have been all this time cuz FonFon > that whole darn school

necrosis6
2009-04-30, 01:44
I think that the plan Nina used was fine if she did a couple of modifications. If Felli was trying harder, she could've found a sniping place right away and Sharnid's group would've done fine. All Nina needed to do was be a smart decoy, in otherwords engage in skirmishes but run away quickly and avoid Van. I think that if Nina was a little bit smarter and Felli actually tried, they could've won that even though they were outnumbered. Sticking together would be a bad idea seeing how quickly Nina got owned, I'm pretty sure Van could just solo all of team 17 since sharnid can't snipe people engaged in melee and Nina + curly haired girl wouldn't stand a chance especially if all of Team 1 went against them.

giorno
2009-04-30, 03:30
the thing with "he would do anything to live" i think he meant he'd do n e thing to live so he can help the people he cares for...
but he didn't tell her that, he just told her he'd do anything to live...that's why ferri actually had to explain reyfon's meaning of "to live"(in a way reyfon is much more selfless than nina...though i guess it's natural considering he grew up as a living weapon, rather than a human being...)

Oh, she's got a lot to be thankful for! Platoon 17 - and apparently it is a really big thing for her - would've been disbanded if it weren't for Layfon
no, it was the SCP who got reyfon into platoon 17...and reyfon was just too cowardly to firmly refuse, so he was stuck there...then he came to know nina and the others better, came to make some good friends and to like zuellni, at which point he pretty much accepted to be a platoon member...

it's true that their platoon started winning matches entirely because of him, but nina does understand this as well, otherwise she wouldn't even be thinking like that at all(she whines with harley about it even)
(yes, i know she didn't look like she understood this right away, but after the incident with that old FM she pretty much understood a little better how broken reyfon really is...and pretty much aso why their platoon is that strong)

She chose to take Gorneo's advice over Layfon's just to spite him, even though Layfon had the most experience out of everyone in that room by far, therefore putting everyone in danger. And she didn't even know the whole story...
her not knowing the whole story is entirely reyfon's fault, she confronted him about it, and he told her that, not Gorneo...
i agree with her not following the advice of the most experienced guy in the room's an error, but guess what? that's precisely the reason why she though she and reyfon couldn't work together: before something unknown, Gorneo and Nina though of the possibility of survivors, reyfon thought about the possibility of some mutant FM...see why they're incompatible? one would be willing to risk her life for the possibility of saving another's life, the other on the otherhand, would rather "lose time" being sure of exactly what was down there, in other words, giving priority to his own safety...

that said, i too find nina's attitude actually kind of annoying, but you're criticizing her for either wrong, or no reasons at all here...

Von Himmel
2009-04-30, 05:51
But can anyone tell me why sometimes people call him Layton and at other times Layfon? I'm not understanding why it changes sometimes.
It's how the trio went to call him in the. . err, 2nd episode ? To put it simply, it's a nickname.

addict2anime
2009-04-30, 07:46
Dude... u either sound anti-fon fon or pro Nina... there are plenty of reasons to criticize Nina... somethings are just implied... fon fon had no reason to convey his entire past to Nina anyway, he wasn't even that close to her compared to his talks with Felli..... and the thing b/w risking her life and losing time... I think u forget that fon fon was actually involved with killing those buggies like daily... its an effective strateegy u kno.. like.. knowing what you're gonna face before charging in head on like an idiot and getting ownt. Like the NINA we know. Like i stated before, there's no possible way for Nina to ever catch up with fon fons skills, therefore she must use her head O_O its kinda implied that fon fon would like to live to protect others.... he might'[ve said that but his actiions in Zueelini so far are wayyyyyyyyyyyy different. In episode two he only uses his semi tru strength to kik pplz butts because he wanted to help Nina save the city. He ended up saving Zuellini like 3 episodes later... i mean faulting him by that one time where he didn't explain something thourougly ish just stupid~ where Nina's actions have been the same over and over... One of the reasons i prefer Felli more. You can see her personality ttrying to change at least. Nina knows she has to change but she does nothing about it and is therefore useless till she does otherwwise~

Von Himmel
2009-04-30, 07:49
Nina knows she has to change but she does nothing about it and is therefore useless till she does otherwwise~
She's trying to change. . by trying to get more stronger lolol xD;
I think this episode will trigger her development. Not by being more strong, but being more. . err, smarter ? Oh well, it's a different story if she indeed will get a new power during the next arc >.>

Altima of the Gates
2009-04-30, 07:55
Am i the only person who loved the fact that she got pwned that bad. She should be Worshipping the ground FonFon walked on for everything FonFon has done for her pathetic arse. Instead all she dose is take all this holier then thouw attitude and it annoys the hell out of me. Maybe now she will start worshiping him like she should have been all this time cuz FonFon > that whole darn school

The problem with that is he wouldn't like that at all (appreciation is good, worship is what he got back home, and that alienated him, and made him like he is now), and they would put more pressure on him to perform, which would inevitably break him, god-tier, or not, and weaken Zuellni's forces by relying on him too much. I think there needs to be more balance here. The fact that Karian is breaking him slowly doesn't help this.

What if they get a situation with a bunch of mature ones? Even Layphon is going to succumb to fatigue. There needs to be not only more unity between Platoon 17, but more unity (coupled with some stricter training, now that they've experienced matures).

I'll agree with giorno here, that Nina's strategy was plausible, but she needs to curb her close-range mindset and limit exposure to the enemy, especially if your the difference between a loss and a win.

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-04-30, 08:27
What if they get a situation with a bunch of mature ones? Even Layphon is going to succumb to fatigue. There needs to be not only more unity between Platoon 17, but more unity (coupled with some stricter training, now that they've experienced matures).


To be very fair, I cannot imagine normal humans are going to be able to defeat mature bugs, even though they are united. Sad thing is, they would end up being in the way rather than helping Layfon or any of HB members (or those who are competent enough to defeat mature bugs). Since, you know... Larvae is easily said as not strong at all, but mature bugs? That's a completely DIFFERENT story. Unless Regios has healing spells of some sorts, it is way better for the normal humans to unite together in defeating one or two larvaes.

Basically said, we only have seen larvaes in Regios, save for the one in prologue. You can easily say that the city may be able to defeat filths because you probably has never known the comparison between larvae, mature and the source of those filth monster (the mother?). :)

Although I hope the next episode may change my view in this theory...

Sinestra
2009-04-30, 10:20
I forgot i didnt post about episode 16.

What can i say Nina's strategy was so flawed from the start and i could see it coming. Instead of using Shena as a new strength she passed her off and reduced the role she could played in close quarters combat. In chess you never bring your queen out too early and you protect your queen and Nina is the king, If Layfon were there he would be queen but in this case it was Shana and Nina didnt use her properly. If Nina gets taken down its game over. Considering the squad she was facing she should have been way more cautious with her strategy. Not only did she over estimate her abilities but she belittled the #1 squad ability to see through her little faint. Over confidence breeds carelessness. Yes she had been depending on Layfon a lot in battle and wanted to show she could do it without him NOT THE TEAM BUT HER. In attempting to do so she made a bigger blunder than if she would have played it safe and tried to figure out what her opponents strategy was. Her and Shana should have been acting as one with Sharnid covering them while Felli looked for an opening and analyzed their moments being on the defensive first would have been prudent. She may not have been able to beat the squad captain in terms of strength but she could have beat him in strategy.

I am very hard on her for a reason because i see her potential but her mistakes are just so horrible at time. This was a good lesson for her but she will emo for a little bit before perking back up again. I feel Shana had every reason to be pissed off about the loss.

Once again Layfon is sent by himself to handle business while injured which i think is BS but who else can get the job done but him. This double edge sword business sucks ass.

nice episode disappointing battle.

willyvereb
2009-04-30, 15:14
Even Code Geass full of "strange" tactics and strategies...Anime and movies rarely famous about working and clever tactics/strategies...I think we overly discuss something that not even the strenght of the series... For example
we can argue that Layfon used flawed tactics against the young matured FM at ep 7, even though we know that he's a "walking super weapon" and battle genius in some way. We should quit arguing about it. It's natural that the head of the military arts outsmarted Nina and beated her in a single fight. The other things just "decoration".
We can argue that who's fault and whose not, but the only thing matter the outcome. Nina and the 17 platoon defeated and Nina thinks again that she relies on Layfon too much. That's it. The whole defeat's meaning just Nina's character development.

giorno
2009-04-30, 20:02
Dude... u either sound anti-fon fon or pro Nina...
i'm neither, i like reyfon's character much and i don't particularly like nina....i just can't agree with people bashing her for no reasons, or even when she isn't even wrong...now, for example, sinestra's bashing two posts above this, i totally agree with it

there are plenty of reasons to criticize Nina...
true, in fact, it's all the more reasons to not criticize her for wrong or nonexistant reasons

somethings are just implied... fon fon had no reason to convey his entire past to Nina anyway, he wasn't even that close to her compared to his talks with Felli.....
right right...and so? the fact that reyfon didn't have a particular reason to tell nina everything(though actually, he just doesn't tell her everything because he thinks it wouldn't matter, not because he's not close enough and wants to keep the truth from her), doesn't mean that nina's wrong for coming to think that way without knowning the full truth...it's not nina's fault if reyfon decided to only tell her that much...i've said it's his fault for not telling nina everything, that leads nina to think like that, but i never said that he was wrong, it's not a situation where one definitely has to be wrong and the other right...

and the thing b/w risking her life and losing time... I think u forget that fon fon was actually involved with killing those buggies like daily... its an effective strateegy u kno.. like.. knowing what you're gonna face before charging in head on like an idiot and getting ownt. Like the NINA we know. Like i stated before, there's no possible way for Nina to ever catch up with fon fons skills, therefore she must use her head
....i'll auto-quote myself here i agree with her not following the advice of the most experienced guy in the room's an error

its kinda implied that fon fon would like to live to protect others.... he might'[ve said that but his actiions in Zueelini so far are wayyyyyyyyyyyy different. In episode two he only uses his semi tru strength to kik pplz butts because he wanted to help Nina save the city. He ended up saving Zuellini like 3 episodes later...
reyfon lived to "protect"(and keep it alive) what he cared for(the orphanage), it's the way he grew up, and the whole point of his becoming a military artist....right now he's trying to find a life for himself, whilst of course, wanting to protect what he cares for(like any normal human being)...his saving zuellni from the FMs doesn't contradicts what he said to nina actually, not after she learns he was a HB receiver, powerful enough to fight the FM by himself at least...
i mean faulting him by that one time where he didn't explain something thourougly ish just stupid~
??? what do you mean by faulting him?

addict2anime
2009-04-30, 20:47
You said you didn't like it when people bash Nina for the wrong reasons.. but they aren't wrong...? Well i'm sick of debating... cuz i honestly don't think you're gonna change your mind anyway XD. Since you say you can't blame Nina for thinking like that... that means u fault Fon fon or u blame him for having her come to that specific conclusion... Actually you can blame her for going to that conclusion.. people who think differently come to different conclusions so... lets just agree to disagree and shuddup about this cuz its annoying~ and agree that both fon fon and Nina are blockheads on different subjects~

O and Felli and her frills pwn all~ (u don't hafta agree to that but its tru)~

Eid
2009-05-01, 00:24
Downloaded EP 15 in hd by excident.. ogh well... HD :D
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5439/snapshot20090501082154.jpg

zibi88
2009-05-01, 02:20
Well its clear enought that Nina never will reach Layfons level.... and she already should know that she is relying on layfon too much...... like it was on one of first episodes when they lost to a team and the captain said to nina that she is relying too much on the new one [layfon]......... she didnt listened to it and she still was relying on Layfon too much.... and this confirms her words in last episode..... when she saw Layfon hurt first she throught of is that its the end....they dont have a chance of winning without layfon....(she was not thinking about Layfon health status but that she wont win the match !! <--- this is seriously wrong... specialy from a captain... not worrying about comarade health but thinking about the match)

In my eyes nina should change strategy without Layfon.... I mean without layfon she should switch to teamwork mode.... and not leave everything to one person....which power is not enought to defeat the enemy....

I hope that this last match will show Nina her place and strenght.... Layfon is on WHOLE different level that she cant ever reach (Layfon is even yougner than nina... and he becomed HB at what age ? 10 ? so layfon was one of the strognest fighters in regios world at such age while nina mostly was still playing with dolls or something XDXD)

Well Nina than blameing,complaining on Layfon should fall on her knees and beg for mercy.... since if not Layfon she would be a bug-shit by now ^^ and well Nina was kinda the couse of Layfon's getting injured too......she shouldnt talk about the food that turned out to be from meishen and then she puts the blame on Layfon !!!!!!!!! is she retarded !? first she wanted to trade the lunch boxes and now she puts the blame on Layfon (well the box was not adressed who made it so how should he know !) normaly if she noticed the same taste she should keep that information for herself and than dont agree to trade boxes next time.....

Ehh and at the end Meishen run away... and nina was yelling on Layfon for something she alone started >___<

Yeah Leerin come to Zerenii and grab Layfon away form Nina :P........ hmmm I wonder how the sword will look like (the one that leerin got from her father)

ipernorris
2009-05-01, 02:42
Well its clear enought that Nina never will reach Layfons level.... and she already should know that she is relying on layfon too much...... like it was on one of first episodes when they lost to a team and the captain said to nina that she is relying too much on the new one [layfon]......... she didnt listened to it and she still was relying on Layfon too much.... and this confirms her words in last episode..... when she saw Layfon hurt first she throught of is that its the end....they dont have a chance of winning without layfon....(she was not thinking about Layfon health status but that she wont win the match !! <--- this is seriously wrong... specialy from a captain... not worrying about comarade health but thinking about the match)

Uhm I think you're a bit too much hard on Nina: I don't think she's a good captain too, but I think she had to deal with something of extraordinary magnitude... a one-man-army isn't something you can deal with very easily. I think Layfon said that himself: he works better alone and he isn't very suited to work in a team. He has to do it tough, so a way must be found no matter what. In the last two battles Team 17 had Layfon managing 90% of the enemy forces, while the rest of the Team would go after the target... it's an improvement from relying ENTIRELY on Layfon's shoulders, but still not enough against experienced and skilled Teams like Team 1.
I think Nina must give up her pride as captain and accepting that Layfon must be Team 17 pillar and not her: I don't mean she has to quit being a captain, I only mean she has to concentrate on strategies and coordination of the overall Team 17, instead of putting herself in front of the battle line.
That won't work out because she's weak and this won't change anytime soon: her strength will always be pathetic, compared to Layfon's one anyway.
I think Team 17 should function like this:
- Layfon: main melee fighter and Team 17 pillar. He must always be on the frontline taking out most of enemies' forces.
- Shena: secondary melee fighter... she should deal with the flies who manage to survive Layfon's hurricane.
- Sharnid: sniper and backup for the melee fighters, especially for Shena.
- Felli: Wireless Team Communication Protocol.
- Nina: Strategy planning and overall coordination of the Team 17.

giorno
2009-05-01, 04:00
you do realize that using reyfon as main fighter, no one else in the platoon is gonna do anything? i think the use she's doing of reyfon in the match against the 5th platoon isn't entirely to bash...use him as bait to lure and stall(stall, not insta-defeat and go on...) the strongest members of the enemy platoon, the ones who would mop the floor with her and sharnid easily(like gorneo), and do rest themselves...especially now that they have another member, they could theoretically make do without reyfon...with a bit of actual planning, that is...and losing an inter-platoon match isn't that bad, it's still good experience(for example, nina now knows how much of a difference there is between her and an actual full fledged normal military artist...so she's gonna think twice next time before deciding to try acting like a reyfon's surrogate..)

nina's going out on the frontlines isn't wrong(at least, it's definitely not wrong when they have only 3 fighters in the team...also considering that she has to get some actual battle experience on her skin herself, too), but she should think and plan more instead of relying so much on reyfon, and in his absence, trying to act as a surrogate...the fun part is, when talking with harley, she said "there are many different ways of fighting", only to go and fight in the usual way they do...without the one guy who made it possible for them to fight like that...

the main problem in having someone like reyfon in the platoon is exactly that he is too strong, and if he's used as primary force, the others aren't gonna get any practice from the match, considering that reyfon has no need for battle simulation training, and that no matter what, he will most likely always do better alone with ferri's support(from far away from the battlefield)...rather, i think nina should just get reyfon to tutor her training...

Since you say you can't blame Nina for thinking like that... that means u fault Fon fon or u blame him for having her come to that specific conclusion...
yeah, i say it's reyfon's fault if nina came to that conclusion, because it is -let me clarify, fault isn't exactly the correct term here, as it's not reyfon's fault if his way of thinking and nina's are too different for them to work together-...it's exactly because of reyfon's words that nina came to that conclusion, coupled with her personality, which reyfon already knew...though imo, the reason why he doesn't care to explain the whole story to her, is because he already thinks that nina will refuse him, so even if he actually does tell the whole story, it wouldn't change anything...which actually turned out to be wrong, so i guess i actually do think reyfon was wrong in that situation(better yet, had wrong reasons to not explain everything to nina)

Von Himmel
2009-05-01, 04:41
Willy, nice quote you have there ;_;
The whole defeat's meaning just Nina's character development.
Seriously guys, a person needs to experienced failure to become a successful person in later life :(

holyman282
2009-05-01, 04:48
Just saw the ep and i was wondering the dite that Leerin is suppose to deliver doesn't look like the heaven blade but a psyharden weapon. I'm guessing it's a katana right? Also yea Nina's tactic was just dumb, she always rushes out instead of playing it safe even when she knows that when she is down then it's the end.

It was fun to see Nina get pwned but what would of been more fun would of been to see vance get pwned by Layfon. I wonder if that would make layfon the head of military arts?

Oh well deux ex machina situation meant that Layfon never got to own vance.

willyvereb
2009-05-01, 05:36
I think it's a Psyharden Katana(probably the former master's).
About the tactics...seriously we should stop that argument...I think no matter what kind of formation/tactic/strategy Nina uses Vanze outsmartes her in the end...As i said:
The whole battle's meaning was just Nina's character development after the failure...

solembum
2009-05-01, 08:19
yeah I think its the sword of the former master too.. maybe thy're saying layfon is also the best psyharden dude..

and about the plan nina used, even though I don't like nina I will have to say that it was not dumb, stupid or whatever negative name you can give it. if you look at it objectively you will see that given the circumstances of that match the strategy was good, if not the best. sad for her that vanze proved the better strategist though.

ipernorris
2009-05-01, 08:29
you do realize that using reyfon as main fighter, no one else in the platoon is gonna do anything? i think the use she's doing of reyfon in the match against the 5th platoon isn't entirely to bash...use him as bait to lure and stall(stall, not insta-defeat and go on...) the strongest members of the enemy platoon, the ones who would mop the floor with her and sharnid easily(like gorneo), and do rest themselves...especially now that they have another member, they could theoretically make do without reyfon...with a bit of actual planning, that is...and losing an inter-platoon match isn't that bad, it's still good experience(for example, nina now knows how much of a difference there is between her and an actual full fledged normal military artist...so she's gonna think twice next time before deciding to try acting like a reyfon's surrogate..)
False... even with Layfon in the Team they managed to lose a match, so making Layfon the pillar of Team 17 wouldn't mean he would do evreything.
Regarding what happened with Team 1... it's again false. They planned the strategy as best as they could, but against strong and experiencied enemies tricks are useless. Nina is the strongest of Team 17 after Layfon, so it made sense for her to be on the frontline attacking.


nina's going out on the frontlines isn't wrong(at least, it's definitely not wrong when they have only 3 fighters in the team...also considering that she has to get some actual battle experience on her skin herself, too), but she should think and plan more instead of relying so much on reyfon, and in his absence, trying to act as a surrogate...the fun part is, when talking with harley, she said "there are many different ways of fighting", only to go and fight in the usual way they do...without the one guy who made it possible for them to fight like that...

It's only natural for Layfon to become the main pillar, because he's in a league of his own so his presence DOES MAKE the difference. This doesn't change the fact Layfon cannot be in two places at the same time so team work is still needed, with good peace of your assuption that Layfon would do evreything.


the main problem in having someone like reyfon in the platoon is exactly that he is too strong, and if he's used as primary force, the others aren't gonna get any practice from the match, considering that reyfon has no need for battle simulation training, and that no matter what, he will most likely always do better alone with ferri's support(from far away from the battlefield)...rather, i think nina should just get reyfon to tutor her training...

As I already proved your statement is false. Team 17 managed to lose even with Layfon in the battlefield. This shows teamwork is needed anyway.

willyvereb
2009-05-01, 11:14
Well...that was back after he slayed a whole army of FM larvae and their mother+ fighing out of the city without protective equipment. He probably used up much ofhis Kei to heal. In normal circumstances Layfon(in a somewhat serious mode) enough to cast off the whole opposing platoon.
I still don't know if Sheena or Nina the stronger, but it's sure that the platoon's pillar Layfon now. And it bothers both Nina and Layfon(and possibily Felli). Layfon, a guy without any motivation constantly forced to fight...even Nina knows that it's no good for Layfon's health.

ipernorris
2009-05-01, 11:26
Well...that was back after he slayed a whole army of FM larvae and their mother+ fighing out of the city without protective equipment. He probably used up much ofhis Kei to heal. In normal circumstances Layfon(in a somewhat serious mode) enough to cast off the whole opposing platoon.
There is no evidence whatsoever, in the anime, that Team 17 lost because of the events you're mentioning. Rather it was pointed out, by the enemy Team leader, that they lost because they gave too much tasks to Layfon. No matter how strong you're, you cannot be in two different places at the same time: the logical consequence is that team work is needed anyway, regardless of Layfon's presence.
This shows how much giorno's statement about Layfon doing evreything is false.


I still don't know if Sheena or Nina the stronger, but it's sure that the platoon's pillar Layfon now. And it bothers both Nina and Layfon(and possibily Felli). Layfon, a guy without any motivation constantly forced to fight...even Nina knows that it's no good for Layfon's health.
It's normal Layfon is Team 17 pillar: he's the strongest. This doesn't mean he has to do evreything of course.
Regarding Layfon's health being endagered by fighting: there is no evidence whatsoever that Layfon's fighting damages his body.

giorno
2009-05-01, 14:12
False... even with Layfon in the Team they managed to lose a match, so making Layfon the pillar of Team 17 wouldn't mean he would do evreything.
Regarding what happened with Team 1... it's again false. They planned the strategy as best as they could, but against strong and experiencied enemies tricks are useless. Nina is the strongest of Team 17 after Layfon, so it made sense for her to be on the frontline attacking.
...and how was reyfon used as main pillar? it was nina who got to fight the enemy platoon leader...when did he actually ever got serious in an inter-platoon match? in ep 2, where he literally annihilated the whole enemy platoon within seconds just by running towards them...? the point is, if reyfon is used as main force, he's going to win by himself, no one in zuellni has the slightest chance to last for more than a couple of seconds against him, and he's fast enough to cover pretty much the whole battleground....and he's got that clone skill as well...

i'm not talking about tricks, i'm saying that it is a stupid plan to have nina act as the lone decoy, and it is stupid of her to fight vanze head on instead of simply try to stall for time, which is the whole point of the decoy, expecially considering that
if she's taken out, the match is over...

It's only natural for Layfon to become the main pillar, because he's in a league of his own so his presence DOES MAKE the difference. This doesn't change the fact Layfon cannot be in two places at the same time so team work is still needed, with good peace of your assuption that Layfon would do evreything.
so long as reyfon is told to not fight seriously and simply be a decoy, yes, teamwork is needed...about that can't be in two places simultaneously, well, just take a look at their mock battle in ep 15....and we don't know if he can actually send those clones away too...

solembum
2009-05-01, 14:32
i'm not talking about tricks, i'm saying that it is a stupid plan to have nina act as the lone decoy, and it is stupid of her to fight vanze head on instead of simply try to stall for time, which is the whole point of the decoy, expecially considering that
if she's taken out, the match is over...

actually being a lone decoy in that match is not stupid. it was a pretty good plan. but yeah fighting vanze and not stalling for time is not a very good Idea. It beat the purpose of being a decoy.

ipernorris
2009-05-01, 15:31
...and how was reyfon used as main pillar? it was nina who got to fight the enemy platoon leader...when did he actually ever got serious in an inter-platoon match? in ep 2, where he literally annihilated the whole enemy platoon within seconds just by running towards them...? the point is, if reyfon is used as main force, he's going to win by himself, no one in zuellni has the slightest chance to last for more than a couple of seconds against him, and he's fast enough to cover pretty much the whole battleground....and he's got that clone skill as well...
Layfon's strength may be ludicrous, but he cannot be in two places at the same time. Team 17 managed to lose a match because of bad teamwork: even with Layfon the enemy Team managed to shoot at Team 17 flag.
Layfon ALONE is able to win anywhere anytime in Zuellni, but in a Team things work quite differently and we were shown that. For Layfon to work alone is not an option, so he cannot be defined as godly like he's when he fights alone.


i'm not talking about tricks, i'm saying that it is a stupid plan to have nina act as the lone decoy, and it is stupid of her to fight vanze head on instead of simply try to stall for time, which is the whole point of the decoy, expecially considering that
if she's taken out, the match is over...

Well she was the strongest one of the Team, so it made perfect sense to me.


so long as reyfon is told to not fight seriously and simply be a decoy, yes, teamwork is needed...about that can't be in two places simultaneously, well, just take a look at their mock battle in ep 15....and we don't know if he can actually send those clones away too...
LOL This isn't Naruto! :D

danin8r44
2009-05-01, 21:09
Well she was the strongest one of the Team, so it made perfect sense to me.


Is she still the strongest(after Layfon of course)? I've actually been wondering that for a while now.

giorno
2009-05-01, 21:19
Team 17 managed to lose a match because of bad teamwork: even with Layfon the enemy Team managed to shoot at Team 17 flag.
...i'm actually kind of curious what kinda tactic nina came up with for that match, considering they were the defenders...
Well she was the strongest one of the Team, so it made perfect sense to me.
she's the decoy, she's not there to fight and defeat opponents, but to stall them, and keep them away from the main force, so yes, blindly charging at vanze is stupid...that said, she probably needed it to experience on her skin the difference in level between her and an actual military artist, and that reyfon isn't the one she should be comparing herself too, she can't get a good idea of her actual level compared to a monster whose power makes no sense among normal humans...

LOL This isn't Naruto! :D
tell me that :D
unfortunately, we did see both reyfon and savaris use a body double skill, and savaris copies actually were used to beat the crap out of gahard...and even if these copies can only be kept at close range, what does it matter? you've seen how nina sharnid and naruki couldn't even see his movements, so long as he keeps close to the flag, the enemies aren't gonna capture it, and as for snipers, with ferri as nen-i user, i'm not so sure the sniper will be of much help...but even assuming it would, then what, go with nina and sharnid go and get the sniper and reyfon manages everybody else? and for the teams without snipers, there's no need for nina and sharnid at all....?
look at what happened against platoon 10(supposedly one of the best platoons), when reyfon actually had to be a little serious: that's reyfon used as the main force of the team, the others have to actually ask him to let them do something, like sharnid asked him to let shena go so that he could fight her

and this goes only for defensive matches, when they're the attackers, it would be even more hopeless for the other team, unless nina decides to go and get herself owned faster than how it would take reyfon to get the flag(which is highly unlikely, even if she tries)....

using reyfon like that is literally like using a strategic bomb in a gunfight...

holyman282
2009-05-01, 21:52
Leyfon is like a nuke, use one and problem solved.

germanturkey
2009-05-01, 21:58
i'm fairly sure she isn't the #2 in the squad. I think Shena > Nina, and that one episode where they were training, the loser had to pay for the meal, and Nina came in last out of her, Sharnid and Layfon.

Von Himmel
2009-05-01, 22:04
^
No.
Looking at Nina's. . .kei(?) I think Nina is the closest to Layfon. Training makes one better. . Not to mention, she always train her body so much to try making herself in Layfon's level (which is quite impossible).

But yeah, during the ball training. . she did lost :( She is either not suited for that training or is weak compared to the other 2.

But hey, it's still devil's proof. I think we've only seen Shena fighting with Sharnid. Her flashback doesn't show her true skills right now.

satomianzaki
2009-05-02, 00:11
i do think compared to other members of platoon 17 (besides layfon of course), nina is the strongest...her skills combined with her determination and will power sets the gauge...of course felli and sharnid are undoubtedly powerful, has skills, power and all, but they lack other factors...that's why i think nina deserves to be the captain...

about darshena, well, i think she also is strong but she hasn't shown that yet...and besides, shes' in her 4th year, so i think she should be stronger since she has lot of experience...i think...

regarding the strategy, i mean, we're talking about the first platoon here...nina caught up with vanze and with his superior skills and experience, it'll be like a miracle is she beats him...for now...

i think not only nina needs more experience and training but all of them and i think they have to polish their team work...

:)

holyman282
2009-05-02, 00:47
We are all talking about how experienced and good at fighting vanze is but am I the only one that wanted to see Layfon kick his ass?

Tjaard
2009-05-03, 04:12
Finally return and watched the epi.
As usually i saw all Felli/Leerin fans go to hell Nina, oh well is normal here now xDD
Good epi, and i like that Siena joined on 17 platoon, and good reaction at the end of the battle, probably frustrated for lose her first match on her new platoon and because Nina got knocked out so fast.
Nina sought to test herself once again without Layfon, but failed vs Vance, but i noticed that this 1 platoon i probably the same as the 17, because without Vance probably wouldn't be able to do anything (i saw all the members lose so fast lol)
Layfon another time is used by our favorite siscon to exterminate FM, and Haia return with his arrogant voice :D
And on this we saw Leerin which is to deliver the Psyharden Dite to Layfon (and we see how great importance the orphanage is for her because we saw that she abandon it so easily), but i think that the dite surely is a good dite for the Master Psyharden, but i don't think that the later Master had the same Kei of Layfon, so probably is a good katana but i don't know how much resist to the layfon's power :D
And probably the worst thing that i saw of this epi is see Mayshen say to Layfon that she want protect him, yeah how? With her cook, with her love? I really find annoying when a weak loser says about wanting to protect someone when surely can't, Layfon sacrifice his entire life to protect te people around him with training and fighting for his life with FM, and someone as Mayshen has the courage to use the word "protect" before layfon so easily, that surely amusing, maybe she think that is cool using that word, i pity her for don't know the reality of that world xDD

willyvereb
2009-05-03, 05:54
Actually even Layfon knows a small bit of the world they're living. I think there's actually a much more hideous thing than the Filth Monsters.

Tjaard
2009-05-03, 07:33
Well, you've a point but Layfon surely understand this world, or surely the bad side of it :D
Put Mayshen around to hundreds of FM, larvae, and after want to hear May say "I'll protect you", yeah how? Sry but a weak is a weak, someone that don't know how protect himself has no right to tell someone "I want protect you", this is like I've always thought and still think so; Felli, Nina, Shante, Dalsiena, HB and the Queen too, these are people who have the right to say such a thing, not surely Mayshen ;)