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monir
2009-05-01, 23:57
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solembum
2009-05-02, 01:55
so lets wait for true knight's spoilers. should be here pretty soon :D

im really excited about this one. I hope we get more action this episode ^^

zibi88
2009-05-02, 02:41
all you need is 2ch link to where CSR ep17 pictures are ^^ those spoilers are from that link or official anime site (few pictures might appear about next episode which would be ep18... but this is after airing)

anyway at least 8h (8h30min) till the ep17 is going to be aired in japan... so its long time to wait >__<

Anyway this episode will be interesting fights I suppose (few min about Leerin rideing the bus... than queen learns that leerin left and she will send savarius to follow her and protect her [the same he will go in the haikizoku matter]....... next parts are Layfon fighting monsters.... change to nina and the thing that layfon said in that message [zerenii fairy room and golden goat aprochign nina...].... again scene will change to monster location.....we will mostly see nina & co. riding to layfons location........ rest is unknown)

so yep it will be intresting episode but pulling whole episode from few pictures is kinda hard :P

ipernorris
2009-05-02, 02:58
This is TrueKnight's preview post of episode 17:
Warning, ep 17 preview action pack alert,

Prelude to battle, http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios02.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios03.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios04.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0904/0424_regios05.jpg


Let’s ready to rumble,
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Looks good mmhmmm..

zibi88
2009-05-02, 03:43
heh not even the ep17 was aired and on official anime site 2pictures from ep18 are up XD

edit: ^^ ok I found just now lots of pictures from next ep.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7648/65073716.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=65073716.jpg)

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9831/47353582.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=47353582.jpg)

thre are few text lines that says: Zerenii is out of control and runs into lots of monsters... the same Nina disapperaed

under the picture with Felli it is said that.... In current very dangerous sitiation Felli confesses to Layfon :P (huge Felli flag)

and under Leerin picture it is said.... suspicious, Leerin (mostly she still is not in Zerenii but in middle of travel... maybe she was going to Zerenii direction but then the city was not there where it should be and is wondering what is going on.....)

edit:
here is the link to other pictures from next episode18.... too much for putting them throught imageshack so here is a link to the page where they are ^^
http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/intro.html#preview18

well it kinda says that nina is beign possesed by a abondoned nobility and disappereas from zerenii and when she regains consciousness she is close to Leerin..... Saviasius saw that Nina is posseded by a nobility and got interested in her.......... I tihnk its the time for between city-matches

anyway I wonder on what novel volume anime will end... or will they make another season with rest of volumes (or they will leave open ending....hope not)

Von Himmel
2009-05-02, 05:40
Ep 17 and 18 looks interesting o.o;
17 for battle and 18 for development :x

BetoJR
2009-05-02, 06:50
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7648/65073716.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=65073716.jpg)

under the picture with Felli it is said that.... In current very dangerous sitiation Felli confesses to Layfon :P (huge Felli flag)
WHAT?!?!? Holy Sh--!!! This I gotta see!!! :D

Too bad there's still way more than a week for it - and I haven't seen even this episode yet... :heh:

ipernorris
2009-05-02, 06:53
yeah I agree with all of you guys... episode 17 and 18 are going to be awesome!!! :cool:

Renegade334
2009-05-02, 10:53
Koukaku no Regios episode 17 (TENTATIVE)
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Edit: thread is still tentative. We'll see whether the 2channers'll bother posting anythingor we'll once again be privy to the silent treatment.

Edit two: raw's out. Link's off. Lights out. I'm off.

ipernorris
2009-05-02, 10:56
Arigatou Renegade334-sama! :cool:

TrueKnight
2009-05-02, 11:15
Thx for renegade again and I lol'ed hard at the link. Seems like Asura's Cryin is so bad 2chners didn't even bother to screencap them whereas Regios receive a different treatment. Yeah Nina vs the goat...

ipernorris
2009-05-02, 11:16
Nice Nina in maid suit! :D
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2356/1241280084637.png

I love you Zuellni-chan!
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7078/1241280556104.jpg

Goat-chan is angry!!!
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/7038/1241280623248.jpg

Leerin-chan... do you need any help? :D
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4741/1241281421191a.jpg

TrueKnight
2009-05-02, 11:32
Yeah goat is pissed lol,

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Some Leerin fanservice inserted just wtf?

Manji Midou
2009-05-02, 12:19
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confession from felis this soon? guess she's going to get shot down if it beh a love confession, awesome stuff ep 18 can't get here fast enough

zibi88
2009-05-02, 12:36
Well it seems that in ep18 Nina disappears duo that goat (she was clsoe to get swallowed byt the power and kinda disappers from zerenii city and msotly appears in the city where Leerin is currently)

other thing is that Zerenii will crush into next part of LOTS of monsters.... and only Layfon can fight them along workingwith Felli.... but they are very weakened and are close to their limits....... Leerin and Savarius end up in a city Mayius [or somehow like that...]... and duo an accident that something had been stolen from that city, Leerin and Savarius are kinda confined there [as kinda suspects becouse they are from different city...] till they find the stolen object (well they cant release them till city people will find it) so Leerin will have to wait to get to Layfon..... I goes those fox-masked guys are the culpits and nina will kinda help Leerin there (she mostly doesnt know that this is Layfons childhood friend)..... besides Nina mostly apperad in that city duo taht goat... (maybe it went there to save Leerin who has "that power")

Anyway.... Layfon is dead tired.... Felli is dead tired... more monsters are coming so it says that in this VERY dangerous moment (where it can be their last one) she confesses :P but no clue what Layfons response is XD

so next ep18 will contain more development and Layfons fighting monsters taht are attacking the city

here is other "that Felli moment" picture
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3137/64731868.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=64731868.jpg)
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9061/27448968.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27448968.jpg)

Manji Midou
2009-05-02, 13:03
Anyway.... Layfon is dead tired.... Felli is dead tired... more monsters are coming so it says that in this VERY dangerous moment (where it can be their last one) she confesses :P but no clue what Layfons response is XD

there's 3 obvious choices that layfon will say/do.

1) ls too exhausted to listen to her.
2) ls too busy with things to hear her well
3) downright rejects her, saying he rather stay friends at the moment.
whatever layfon does it will be a bitter sweet moment for felis and her fans, the last remaining and best piece to this romance is just making her way to him... no matter how you look at it a love confession right now won't end good for the loli.
hmm mei sorta confessed to layfon and seems she got shot down perhaps the writers are getting rid of the dead wood for layfon's heart already "mei and felis"
funny how the two girls who have the best chance at his heart will bump into each other

margafred
2009-05-02, 14:27
Wait why suddenly ep 17 thread becomes ep 18 discussion thread ^^;;;


Nina,after being called by Karian due to Layfon's request,decided to investigate about the case of Zuellni went berserk by herself,while ordering other platoon 17 members to go to Layfon's place.

Nina went to the place where Zuellni used to be,but didn't manage to find her there.Realizing that there was a room ahead of her,she tried to go in but gotten herself fell down.Inside there she saw Zuellni being froze by the Haikizoku,and she tried to attack the Haikizoku but failed.Instead the Haikizoku captured her and brought her to somewhere else (probably another dimension).

Layfon's reason of calling them was to let them see how a fight-in-a-team should be.Although he and the Grendan mercenaries weren't close ally/friend,but both side were fighting together as a team.After the fight ends,all of them were heading back to Zuellni,with Felli silencing herself,as if she was blushing inside those helmet.

Leerin on the other hand was on her way to Zuellni,while accompanying along with her is Savaris.It was Alsheira's order to Savaris,to go along with Leerin and to protect her from any harm and danger.

Overall it was a nice episode...but what actually caught my attention was Felli and Layfon.After 2 episodes,finally Felli and Layfon were close to each other again like what they used to be,except without the kick.



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Arkard
2009-05-02, 14:37
there's 3 obvious choices that layfon will say/do.

1) ls too exhausted to listen to her.
2) ls too busy with things to hear her well
3) downright rejects her, saying he rather stay friends at the moment.
whatever layfon does it will be a bitter sweet moment for felis and her fans, the last remaining and best piece to this romance is just making her way to him... no matter how you look at it a love confession right now won't end good for the loli.
hmm mei sorta confessed to layfon and seems she got shot down perhaps the writers are getting rid of the dead wood for layfon's heart already "mei and felis"
funny how the two girls who have the best chance at his heart will bump into each other

You forgot:

4.) "I'm sorry I don't like humans. Breezy and Goat-san > you"
5.) "I'm gay. Good lord, haven't you seen how I've acted around you girls?"

J/K :heh: Although I agree with what you're saying, Felli fans will murder you in your sleep! (or at least break your shin)

ipernorris
2009-05-02, 14:38
LOL Goat-chan is so daring!!! Now he's going after Nina! :heh:

Bonta Kun
2009-05-02, 14:59
LOL Goat-chan is so daring!!! Now he's going after Nina! :heh:

thats cause Goat-chan is the real harem master here;)

hes already worked over 2 people that had lots of people after them, hes after more now!:heh:

Manji Midou
2009-05-02, 15:42
You forgot:

4.) "I'm sorry I don't like humans. Breezy and Goat-san > you"
5.) "I'm gay. Good lord, haven't you seen how I've acted around you girls?"

J/K :heh: Although I agree with what you're saying, Felli fans will murder you in your sleep! (or at least break your shin)


I'm with you with choice 4.....:heh:

Renegade334
2009-05-02, 16:08
The raw just popped up (a bit earlier than the previous weeks, IIRC), so it's time to pay our final respects to the 2chan link.

zibi88
2009-05-02, 16:28
The raw just popped up (a bit earlier than the previous weeks, IIRC), so it's time to pay our final respects to the 2chan link.

are you jokeing ?? there are chinese pages that have usualy streams of the episodes earlier than the normal download links.......... yet this week it didnt apperead >__< cruel world... (even polyphonica raw come out earlier than regios and it was aired few hours after regios episode.... so it was slow this week)

Bonta Kun
2009-05-02, 17:56
ehhh Leerin's got it good her bus comes with a shower, some random fanservie?:)

well who cares its all good here:p

well interesting enough but now I do think its offically ok to say that Fon-Fon is indeed the super mega pwnzor. To think he layed waste to the FMs in that condition, makes ya wonder just how powerful he really is.

cynicalicious
2009-05-02, 18:39
Goat-chan is always pissed off. His city got gacked, after all. He's out for revenge, and he needs a suitable host! Or in the case of Nina, hostess!

Fun episode. It looks like they've finally gotten into the stride of just enough action and "oooh, I wonder what's going to happen next week" so that the episode didn't feel like a set-up for next week, and from the looks of it, it looks like next week won't be a set-up either. I guess this series is only going to run 24-25 eps, though, huh? Pity.

I wonder if Nina and Goat-chan will be a match or not. She's always going on and on about wanting more power... well... Goat-chan will offer her plenty of it...

Then again, how is Leerin functioning with 2 of them inside of her? o_O

And I loved how Fon-Fon the human cheat code managed to fillet all of those FM with a recently healed broken back. Nice work, Fon-Fon. I'm sure Haia would have chewed on his own liver through his environment suit if it were possible.

golthin
2009-05-02, 19:26
ehhh Leerin's got it good her bus comes with a shower, some random fanservie?:)

well who cares its all good here:p

well interesting enough but now I do think its offically ok to say that Fon-Fon is indeed the super mega pwnzor. To think he layed waste to the FMs in that condition, makes ya wonder just how powerful he really is.

Wow, I will feel so bad for Leerin if she doesn't end with Layfon. She has it real bad for the guy,
thinking about him in the shower. At least all the other girls get to see the guy on a daily basis.
The episode was not that great for me, the highlight was the shower fanservice :heh:

ipernorris
2009-05-02, 19:32
I wonder if Nina and Goat-chan will be a match or not. She's always going on and on about wanting more power... well... Goat-chan will offer her plenty of it...

Then again, how is Leerin functioning with 2 of them inside of her? o_O

And I loved how Fon-Fon the human cheat code managed to fillet all of those FM with a recently healed broken back. Nice work, Fon-Fon. I'm sure Haia would have chewed on his own liver through his environment suit if it were possible.
Don't even joke about Goat-chan and Nina fusing together: Nina would jump from being useless to the Queen level? WTF?

TrueKnight
2009-05-02, 20:18
Decent ep that suffers from animation budgets where the fights could’ve been better or at least on par with epi 7’s animations. Stupid goat just for revenge and finding a suitable master it went so far on freezing poor Zuellni just to get attention. Layfon rejected you and you went bitching all over the place wrecking stuffs and making someone goes into mental hospital after being mind raped. Nina seems like the next potential target but nevertheless Nina will probably can and use the goat’s power and she will finally be hax. Meh I’m pretty sure even with all those power ups she wouldn’t take a cake on Fon-fon’s level seeing how Fon-fon managed to withstand or even fought off the goat’s approach rather skillfully.

Kallian put some senses to Nina that even alone Fon-fon could’ve hold off the FM’s attack…..even with an injury. As for the FM’s lol Fon-fon with a wounded back capable raping most of the hordes with help from the Salinvan gangs . The 17th went to the danger-zone but I guess Fon-fon just want his squad to watch and learn at the organizing skillz of the Salinvan’s while battling the FM’s.

This episode is rather Layfon x Nina imo with Fon-fon trusting Nina to a degree enough to make Felli emo and concerned. I trust captain (Nina) blabla, she would be able to do it blablabla, man Layfon you dumbass saying those thing to Felli is making her really disheartened and your fuelling a fire, which is probably why ep 18 is gonna be interesting.

Leerin’s gonna go to Grendan and fanservice – the win.

Now to wait miracle subs from Ayako…..

ipernorris
2009-05-02, 20:28
@TrueKnight
Haikizokou powers is described as to be on par with the Queen's one... if Nina manages to master the Goat she will be on par with the Queen, which would be utterly ludicrous. I hate godly power-ups which comes out of nowhere!

TrueKnight
2009-05-02, 20:44
I kinda thinking it depends on the host. Look at Dinn, even with the goat possessing him the Salinvan’s manage to chain him up. Granted his kei got jacked by Fon-fon earlier but as Haia stated the Haizoku or whatever is easier to catch if they went on capturing the host instead. If it’s Fon-fon who got captured even without the goat he would’ve still manage to rape all of them.

For the host’s power level seeing how Nina along with Dinn manage to get possessed where in retrospect Fon-fon managed to refuse it’s entry and made it flee by slashing it with an uber crappy dite, well the goat’s into a surprise again when facing Layfon using Nina. HB’s are a whole different league than normal humans afterall. Now if Savaris the one that’s using it, like what he wanted then….

ipernorris
2009-05-03, 00:03
For the host’s power level seeing how Nina along with Dinn manage to get possessed where in retrospect Fon-fon managed to refuse it’s entry and made it flee by slashing it with an uber crappy dite, well the goat’s into a surprise again when facing Layfon using Nina. HB’s are a whole different league than normal humans afterall. Now if Savaris the one that’s using it, like what he wanted then….
Uhm the "fight" between Layfon and Goat-chan didn't go exactly the way you say: Goat-chan tried to subdue Layfon, Layfon managed to resist and slashed him. Too bad that slash didn't even touch Goat-chan, it just moved a bit of air! :heh:
After this Goat-chan said "Well done!" to Layfon and then left. By no way Goat-chan "escaped" Layfon, he simply went to look for an easier target to possess, that's all. Not to mention Goat-chan became a stalker and keeps appearing in front of Layfon in various forms.

Manji Midou
2009-05-03, 00:22
This episode is rather Layfon x Nina imo with Fon-fon trusting Nina to a degree enough to make Felli emo and concerned. I trust captain (Nina) blabla, she would be able to do it blablabla, man Layfon you dumbass saying those thing to Felli is making her really disheartened and your fuelling a fire, which is probably why ep 18 is gonna be interesting.…..


Why is he a dumbass exactly?
Because he has a better relationship and more trust with nina then he does with her?
If she is disheartened she has no one to blame but herself....layfon has never led her on into thinking that they have a deeper bond then just friends. That's why the upcoming rejection is going to be delicious to see.:heh:

TrueKnight
2009-05-03, 01:44
After this Goat-chan said "Well done!" to Layfon and then left. By no way Goat-chan "escaped" Layfon, he simply went to look for an easier target to possess, that's all.

It depends on whats your definition of a ‘fleeing’ is in this scenario. What happen was: Goat-chan couldn’t manage and capable on possessing Layfon, so what happened after it: (a) left;or (b) gone; or (c); withdrew; or (d) fled; or (e) escaped.

(a), (b) and (c) had more positive connotation while (d) or (e) negative.

My understanding was the goat is looking for a powerful host, it found one when Layfon visited the Gwanda whatever vicinity, it tried to posses him, then ‘failed’, hence it [insert previous choices above]. For me I’m leaning towards negative because of the ‘failure’ factor the goat was intending to do back then. If you have a different interpretation from that scene then hey, your choice but ultimately our intention and understanding are the same. :/

zibi88
2009-05-03, 02:49
Well if Nina will be possesed by the goat and will call it "her own true power" I will call her the biggest loser in whole CSR.... she couldnt get stronger with her own powers and she has to rely again on someone else power (she was relying on Layfon and now she will even rely on goat power ).....if she gets possesed than it would show that she was weak not only psyhicaly but even mentaly that's why the goat even was able to posses her.......... mostly the zerenii spirit will save her from beign swallowed by the power but anyway that doesnt change the fact that ITS NOT HER POWER GAINED FROM TRAINING AND HARD WORKING......goat-chan= cheating in my eyes....... Layfon in order to gain the power was training to the point where he stoped thinking about himself as human ans was thinking he is a monster... this is kinda cruel conclusion....

Anyway like the goat said in ep10... Layfon asked the goat who is he... and the goat said layfons image [he was reading Layfons mind and digging the stuff that could be used to make layfons psychic weaker... like looking for a weak point.... in his case he used the sentence that layfon is a tool ect.] yet under thta huge goat power presure from both psyhical and mental sides he was able to resist and was able to do a slash [since its a spirit you cant kill it XD].......... so goat used similar think on Nina useing her weak points to posses her and well he kinda sucessed in that.... other sad thing is that the goat didnt even had to use that VERY bright light and pwoer pressure to hold nina back... nina tryed to hit it yet she bounced from it like it was nothing xD

And well I dont think that nina will become strong like the queen..... becouse nina base was "weak" so the goat will fill up the little gap in power but I doubt it will be strong as Layfon.......... if Layfon took the goat he would become VERY powerfull... becouse his base level that he is now is very huge so adding goat power to his base level could bring him above all HB in terms of power....

its mostly like: Nina -> weak+goat=power, Layfon: power+goat= very huge power

but seriously if nina gets the power of the goat in my eyes she is still WEAK since its not her learned-trained power but it comes from another spirit (since 1small one saved her life as child) which is the goat power... and I will hate her more if she gets cheeky with it... like "look how powerfull I am now ! no one stands a chance against "my" power"

hehe it be funny if the queen captured nina becouse she was the host to the goat and so she has pwoer and with that she will give her the 12th place of HB :P I would like to see that since Layfon could start to live a peacefull life with Leerin ^^ and Nina could see that her daily life is only to fight monsters nothing else

Anyway I like Leerin her love for Layfon is so strong ^^ she thinks about him in every moment even under shower ^^ (too bad that she wont reach him that fast becouse she appared in wrong place on wrong time and we will see that in next ep).... other girls develop a crush on Layfon becouse they can spend time with him each day..... but that will change with Leerins appearing in Zerenii.... since now Leerin will be able to tag along with Layfon each day too :P

black_cat1
2009-05-03, 03:02
Nina is possesed by the goat then become strong = fails
Nina is the 12th HB = fails harder

Slick_rick
2009-05-03, 04:35
You Layfon fanboys tears make me smile so much. We need someone/thing to oppose the "almighty" Layfon. Having Layfon continuing to be invincible doesn't really make for an interesting show now does it? Unless all you want to do is watch a show where you oh and ah over an overpowered person beating on much weaker opponents.

And what with this making fun of Nina because she's "weak"? I mean she's a whole lot stronger than all of you. If you were in the CSR world I doubt you make it up to Harley's level much less Nina. Hell most of you'd probably be just hoping for Mei level power.:heh: I heard making fun of the "weak" was the cool thing to do nowadays so I just wanting to jump on the bandwagon!

I haven't watched the last couple episodes but I'll try to make some time to catch up so I can mock you guys some more. It so amuses me. I'm also glad to hear that they're finally putting Felli out of her misery! It's about time. Now we can get down to the real battle!

Fanboy tears=win

zibi88
2009-05-03, 04:35
Nina is possesed by the goat then become strong = fails
Nina is the 12th HB = fails harder

no the Nina becomes the 12th HB becouse of the power she gained from goat = epic fail ^^

You Layfon fanboys tears make me smile so much. We need someone/thing to oppose the "almighty" Layfon. Having Layfon continuing to be invincible doesn't really make for an interesting show now does it? Unless all you want to do is watch a show where you oh and ah over an overpowered person beating on much weaker opponents.

And what with this making fun of Nina because she's "weak"? I mean she's a whole lot stronger than all of you. If you were in the CSR world I doubt you make it up to Harley's level much less Nina. Hell most of you'd probably be just hoping for Mei level power.:heh: I heard making fun of the "weak" was the cool thing to do nowadays so I just wanting to jump on the bandwagon!

I haven't watched the last couple episodes but I'll try to make some time to catch up so I can mock you guys some more. It so amuses me. I'm also glad to hear that they're finally putting Felli out of her misery! It's about time. Now we can get down to the real battle!

Fanboy tears=win

so why the hell are you posting here in ep17 thread about something that you havent even saw......... anyway in what world are you liveing ?? I mean we all know that this is anime and not reality and we all comapare not only power level which one is more flashy...(at least not me) but the whole mental point........ Nina claims that she wants power and she is jelous over Layfon who has it...... yet she has no idea how layfon got that power....... he was training everyday his guts out to become better and each day he had to fight with monsters and if he failed to defeat he would be dead...... Nina doesnt know the real world and what she knows are those inter-team matches that have very little from reality (which are fightingwith monsters).....if you got defeated in those matches you wont die.... and so the world where Nian and Layfon lived are whole different........... so if Nina gains power-ups not from her own hard work in training but from goat it would be lame... it would kinda point that she cant get it be herself and allways needs oter source (while layfon was training to the point where he gained it by himself and even the goat's power was not enought to take over him)

and who said Layfon is almighty ? he is very strong but weaker than the queen or maybe other older more experianced HB user.....(sinec layfon is only 15years old just like leerin)....to see Layfon power we have to see his fight with other HB.......... anyway ep17 shows kinda how strong he is in reality.... Layfon just a few hours ago come out from the operation table and with that injury he is able to kill those monsters.... dont know but they seems to be mature forms since they have wings.... so if he was without that injury he would kill all those monsters by himself for sure ^^

Von Himmel
2009-05-03, 04:56
Well, as long as she's not bragging her power because of the goat, I won't have any problems.

willyvereb
2009-05-03, 05:46
Lol...I think if Nina can use the Goat's power effectively without going crazy(er) then it's her (will)power rightfully. But i think Zuellni H4x enough with Layfon....there's no need for another one.
I think that's the time when Nina "learns" her dimension travelling-like ability. Not a power-up scene i guess.

Slick_rick
2009-05-03, 08:02
so why the hell are you posting here in ep17 thread about something that you havent even saw......... anyway in what world are you liveing ?? I mean we all know that this is anime and not reality and we all comapare not only power level which one is more flashy...(at least not me) but the whole mental point........ Nina claims that she wants power and she is jelous over Layfon who has it...... yet she has no idea how layfon got that power....... he was training everyday his guts out to become better and each day he had to fight with monsters and if he failed to defeat he would be dead...... Nina doesnt know the real world and what she knows are those inter-team matches that have very little from reality (which are fightingwith monsters).....if you got defeated in those matches you wont die.... and so the world where Nian and Layfon lived are whole different........... so if Nina gains power-ups not from her own hard work in training but from goat it would be lame... it would kinda point that she cant get it be herself and allways needs oter source (while layfon was training to the point where he gained it by himself and even the goat's power was not enought to take over him)

and who said Layfon is almighty ? he is very strong but weaker than the queen or maybe other older more experianced HB user.....(sinec layfon is only 15years old just like leerin)....to see Layfon power we have to see his fight with other HB.......... anyway ep17 shows kinda how strong he is in reality.... Layfon just a few hours ago come out from the operation table and with that injury he is able to kill those monsters.... dont know but they seems to be mature forms since they have wings.... so if he was without that injury he would kill all those monsters by himself for sure ^^

While even if I haven't "seen" it I certainly have a right to talk about it from the synopsis given. And Nina getting power from the goat might certainly turnout to be lame but it certainly not something you should attack her character on. She has been working hard maybe not as hard as Layfon did in the past but she certainly not been spending her time goofing off. Calling her weak to demean her character while she is much stronger than most of the characters in the show is a bit silly. She wants to get stronger but this is certainly not the way she would choice to become stronger either.

My calling Layfon "almighty" is just another jab at fans who feel he can do no wrongs and are constantly on his nuts. You couldn't even help yourself in the end and had to once again lavish fanboy praise on him even though you were trying to say he wasn't almighty. You still needed to add it that "but". We need someone strong enough to oppose Layfon. The goat is obviously the main candidate but he needs a medium. Nina is fairly strong and can be used to oppose Layfon and the HB's so we can have a badass last battle. I don't see a problem with this. Only reason you guys are upset is because you don't want to see Nina become as strong as you oh so precious Layfon. This is why I mock you!

ipernorris
2009-05-03, 08:21
I haven't watched the last couple episodes but I'll try to make some time to catch up so I can mock you guys some more. It so amuses me. I'm also glad to hear that they're finally putting Felli out of her misery! It's about time. Now we can get down to the real battle!

Fanboy tears=win
You can mock only yourself because you cannot realise such a simple concept of "believable power-up". One thing is having Nina strong, another thing is her jumping from weak character to godly level, on par with the Queen.
The funniest thing is that you even show off as the cool and smart dude, while you're quite slow... :heh:

willyvereb
2009-05-03, 08:40
Well...even IF Nina got the Goat's power there's many problems.-
-Using it properly
-Keeping your mind(the Haikizoku tries to take control of you and it comes with berserk in the most cases)
-Try not to be drunk of your own power.
So even IF Nina has the power it's dubious that she's even close to be at the same level as Layfon. Same power as the queen or not, it's true.
Well i think if Nina even got the tenth of Layfon's power then it puts her at the same level of badassery as Layfon just because of Nina's awfully high willpower. But it's Layfon's show...:p

zibi88
2009-05-03, 09:37
Well...even IF Nina got the Goat's power there's many problems.-
-Using it properly
-Keeping your mind(the Haikizoku tries to take control of you and it comes with berserk in the most cases)
-Try not to be drunk of your own power.
So even IF Nina has the power it's dubious that she's even close to be at the same level as Layfon. Same power as the queen or not, it's true.
Well i think if Nina even got the tenth of Layfon's power then it puts her at the same level of badassery as Layfon just because of Nina's awfully high willpower. But it's Layfon's show...:p

Well Layfon had to have strong will and heart that's why the goat couldnt posses Layfon ^^ normaly a person that calls himself a monster must have a strong will to keep liveing like that...

willyvereb
2009-05-03, 10:14
In the Light Novels Layfon possessed by the Goat for a while and he went berserk...
Anyways a HB reciever hardly an ordinary opponent even for the Haikizokou.:D
And Layfon have a somewhat strong will to...he's just hardly have any aims.

Slick_rick
2009-05-03, 11:38
You can mock only yourself because you cannot realise such a simple concept of "believable power-up". One thing is having Nina strong, another thing is her jumping from weak character to godly level, on par with the Queen.
The funniest thing is that you even show off as the cool and smart dude, while you're quite slow... :heh:

Quite the opposite as this in no way can be considered a power-up. It would almost certainly be only to herald in the end. We only have 7 episodes to go so we should be on course to the finale. We need a villian and a way to end the show on a high note. No one but the goat has presented themselves so I can assume that he'll be the last enemy to defeat. Now since he's looking for a strong person to possess who better than Nina to throw more oil on the fire. Nina becoming strong because of a powerful entity lending her power for its nefarious deeds is very believable.

The opinion of you and the rest of the plebeians does not concern me. I'm only me. Come up with a more original and much better attack. You fail to impress me and it only highlights the difference between the two of us. If I'm slow then you're at a complete standstill.:cool:

satomianzaki
2009-05-03, 11:58
whew...never thought some people just hate nina, almost to the core...i mean, she's trying her best to be stronger...to protect zuellini...its not like she craves for power just for nothing...

at first nina is being compared with the other girls...maybe because she pose as a great threat to others since if you ask me, nina and layfon are kinda beginning to understand and know each other better...seems like opposites do attract (in terms of beliefs and priniciples)...

and to be compared to layfon in terms of power, well there's really an obvious difference right? i mean are there any competition between those two? actually they complement each other so well that layfon accepted that he's under nina's care...and nina on the other hand, will not want layfon to fight alone again...

talk about captain - subordinate/comrade relationship...i think there still a long way to go with those two...

can't wait what will be the reaction of layfon and platoon 17 with nina missing and the arrival of leerin in zuellini...csr is really getting better and better...

:)

justinstrife
2009-05-03, 13:28
Yes I do hate Nina. I admit it. Her character has rubbed me the wrong way from Episode 1 through now. I love all the other female characters though(Naruki the best!).

Don't pay any attention to Slick_Rick, zibi. He does things his own way. He likes going against the flow I think.

zibi88
2009-05-03, 13:46
whew...never thought some people just hate nina, almost to the core...i mean, she's trying her best to be stronger...to protect zuellini...its not like she craves for power just for nothing...

at first nina is being compared with the other girls...maybe because she pose as a great threat to others since if you ask me, nina and layfon are kinda beginning to understand and know each other better...seems like opposites do attract (in terms of beliefs and priniciples)...

and to be compared to layfon in terms of power, well there's really an obvious difference right? i mean are there any competition between those two? actually they complement each other so well that layfon accepted that he's under nina's care...and nina on the other hand, will not want layfon to fight alone again...

:)

I'm not compareing Nina to other girls in any way ! and I'm saying that nina is weak not by compareing with Layfon since they are like day and night and there is no one in Zereni that can match his power..... but I'm compareing her level with other teams.... first match she was loseing to that guy with 2clubs (layfon showed his yellow kei there for first time)..... and now she was not even close to that vence captain..... it would be alright if she showed more than hideing behind clubs and takeing the blows....

and its kinda bugging me that from "base weak person she would go to god level thx to goat >__< its just kinda not fair...power that is not trained by hard work at least for me its like cheating ^^ (no personal offence)"

Well I wont hide it that just like "justinstrife" Nina in my eyes becomed with each episode more likeable (her "I know better about everything... and that it ! "attitute...") and if she becomes cheeky after gaining that (cheat)power-up she will totaly lose in my eyes >__< (Layfon is strong but at least he is not running around priseing himself)


Anyway I wodner when Leerin will come to Zerenii.... I goes around episode 20 >__< so maybe there will be another season since not much episodes and lots stuff totel..... Leerins connection with the queen, dexirio ect. maybe when the novel gains more volumes...

or like with many animes they will do anime only ending.... sad that no titles for next episodes 19+ are released now >__<

Cant wait for Leerin to reuinite with Layfon.... and the same seeing how the weapon looks like that leerin brought to him....

He likes going against the flow I think.

btw. what do you mean with "going agains the flow" ??

I don't know where everyone's getting this whole "Nina wants Goat-chan's power" vibe from.

Nina doesn't want Goat-chan's power; Goat-chan is trying to force himself in through her desire to protect Zuellni and her own hatred of her own weakness. They're going to duke it out in the next episode, most likely. She saw what it did to Din. I don't think she wants a helping of that.



Wait till next episode ^^ and well goat-chan is like "I dont care" he will use every opportunity to find a new master.... Layfon was to storng so he has to find a weaker one [Din was too weak and broken by the drugs] "

cynicalicious
2009-05-03, 13:47
I don't know where everyone's getting this whole "Nina wants Goat-chan's power" vibe from.

Nina doesn't want Goat-chan's power; Goat-chan is trying to force himself in through her desire to protect Zuellni and her own hatred of her own weakness. They're going to duke it out in the next episode, most likely. She saw what it did to Din. I don't think she wants a helping of that.

It's true that Nina is obsessed with getting more powerful because she has a strong self-hatred steak. She's actually kind of twisted, once you get to know her, which makes me like her even more. Folks don't seem to like her because they just see the exterior angry yelling Nina, but once you get through that layer and figure out what's going on, she becomes much more interesting. She's got a lot of baggage she's dealing with... badly, for the most part.

The last thing she wants is Goat-chan sticking his nose in her business and trying to dominate her will, power boost or no. Unlike the critters in Leerin's head, Goat-chan is a busybody who can't just sit back and enjoy the ride. He's really a jerk when you get down to it.

Nina wants to get more powerful the old-fashioned way-- through working herself nearly to death. lol. And yelling at Fon-Fon when she realizes that it's not working.

And don't forget-- Haia, Savaris, and the Queen are all interested in capturing Goat-chan and making him their own personal power tamogachi as well, as are the folks from Ignus. In a world where you can wake up one morning just fine and wind up as a 20 story high bug's lunch a few minutes later, wanting power is something of a necessity.

Of course, wanting Goat-chan and being able to do something with him are two totally different things, too...

danin8r44
2009-05-03, 14:09
I don't like Nina's character and never will, so instead I will comment on the other characters.:D
Leerin- It looks like she is finally arriving next week along with Layfon's super hax sword.
Felli- Is it time for Felli to make a strong move on Layfon, or is she beginning to give up a bit because she didn't seem as jealous as she did depressed this episode.
Layfon- Yet another dominating victory, but I wonder if the injury hurting again might have future repercussions.
Harley- Am I the only one that found him wearing a backwards baseball cap extension for his suit slightly ridiculous?

willyvereb
2009-05-03, 15:55
Well...I think Nina the most complex character of the Light Novels and even in the anime. Even more complex than Layfon.
And that Nina is weak thinng again...
Seriously: what do you exept? CSR pretty much "real" compared to a classical Shonen manga where the main hero easily powers up from the weakest to the strongest.
In CSR Nina actually a quite strong and talented fighter compared to the other fighters in Zuelni, but she's still young and inexperienced. She's far from being the ace fighter, but one of the top fighters. It's quite surprising if we remember that the other top fighters are older than her(except Layfon perhaps).
Every fighter who defeated her or shown more strenght is:
-Older and more experienced
-from Grendan
The light novels even mentions that Nina not even fights with a dite best suited for her. And i think the way of military arts teaching in grendan and in her home city is different. So she almost have to start her military arts training from scratch.
CSR not like Bleachg where Ichigo, a talented teenager can defeat Byakuya a Shinigami with exttreme talent and at least 100 years of fighting experience after just a month worth of training. In CSR the humans are humans, even if they have superhuman abilities. They're selfish, stubborn, changing slowly(and not always learning from their mistakes) and there's rarely any kind of sudden power-up.

golthin
2009-05-03, 19:43
I am not a big fan of Nina, but people complaining about she being weak is getting old.
She might seem weak compared to Layfon and other people, but Layfon is in a league of his own in the place he is now. Before layfon was just one of the many. if you compare Layfon to the Queen, he would seem weak too.

TrueKnight
2009-05-03, 22:35
Subs out by Ayako. Thanks to them once again. *leechs happily*

Anomalous
2009-05-03, 23:41
Subs out by Ayako. Thanks to them once again. *leechs happily*

I don't see it!

necrosis6
2009-05-04, 00:15
interesting. I guess the goat uses the desire to protect a city in order to possess people so that makes Nina a prime target. I wonder if the real reason that Layfon didn't get possessed is because he doesn't have a desire to protect a city, he only desires to protect the people close to him. Nina on the other hand is trying to protect the whole city so I don't see how she'll really avoid getting possessed.

black_cat1
2009-05-04, 00:43
Oh man, Leerin must stops at Maios before she come to Zuellni >_>

Jerseykid
2009-05-04, 00:44
I wanted layfon to get the goat, down with nina

zibi88
2009-05-04, 00:46
Leerin- It looks like she is finally arriving next week along with Layfon's super hax sword.
Felli- Is it time for Felli to make a strong move on Layfon, or is she beginning to give up a bit because she didn't seem as jealous as she did depressed this episode.
Layfon- Yet another dominating victory, but I wonder if the injury hurting again might have future repercussions.
Harley- Am I the only one that found him wearing a backwards baseball cap extension for his suit slightly ridiculous?

nope Leerin wont arrive at Zerenii next week (spoilers at first page of this thread :P)

Layfon well he come out from operation table few hours ago so its natural that it hurts him.... normaly after that you would have to lie down for a week to fully cure yet he got mission just after the operation ended.... yet he was supressing his pain and continued fighting which is impressive but he couldnt show his real skill...

About harley well it was the first time we saw him in a outside suit....grey glass....but funny suit has Shena xD her hair needs a protector too :P

willyvereb
2009-05-04, 01:06
Harley and his baseball cap almost inseperable...I'm sure that Harley modified his suit that way:p

Manji Midou
2009-05-04, 01:20
saw the sub..
so it seems layfon/nina have a deep understanding of each other more so then felis will ever manage to have, lulz....

next ep we getting emo layfon over the disappearance of nina? how have those two become so close?
and was it ever explained why the filth monsters easier to defeat when they wake up?

Vash002
2009-05-04, 01:25
Good episode, again, I want the 2nd OST.
Anyways, the battle was great, especially the Salivan gang's teamwork and Layfon speech. I guess soon we will have dark Nina.
And well Leerin it's getting closer every episode, Harley was the star of the episode with his badass cap helmet.
Legend of Regios was very short this time, and finally the real form of Faceman appeared. I guess Domino and Ramiz are screwed when it comes to fight, I hope Saya can hold him enough when Garfeat returns.

Time to find Nina. Or she will become evil? I hope Layfon do something. I dislike her, but she has potential to become awesome.

willyvereb
2009-05-04, 01:36
Because they're encasing themselves in an armoured shell while they sleep. And we know that we can't fight well just after we have woken up. I guess it's true to the Filth Monsters too:p.
Nina/Layfon relationship: Not exactly as you think. I guess Layfon would be almost as pissed up Harley's dissapearance as Nina's...even moe if it's partly because of him.
And he trustes her much in cases like that because he knows how determined Nina is. Actually he's amazed by it from the start and even it somewhat "contminated" him too.

cheesie
2009-05-04, 01:49
saw the sub..
so it seems layfon/nina have a deep understanding of each other more so then felis will ever manage to have, lulz....

I popped in here to say that your Felli-Rage is amusing, Manji. :heh:

monir
2009-05-04, 03:19
Considering the outcry about her failed leadership in the last episode which was mostly sparked from the fact she is "weak", Nina will get a much needed boost in power, finally. Teh-heh. This Haikizoku is starting to become annoying. I wonder if there is any adverse effect befalls on these type of cities if any of these spirits are killed. The goat needs a spanking, or may be neutered.

And here is to hoping, Leerin will make it Layfon with, at least, five episodes' remaining to the series. This anticipation to see these two unite is just killing me. :heh:

germanturkey
2009-05-04, 03:44
yeah, i have a feeling that: Nina will conquer the goat and receive her mid series power boost. Layfon still has a ways to go until he gets his powerup though. Come on Leerin!! You can do it!!

about the ep:
Layfon is badass
Haia is sketch. he probably wanted to stab Layfon in the back, or that glare was a "holy shit, this guy is ridic" glare. probably the latter.
the last shot of Felli shows her despair and how she has little chance anymore. that ship is burning.
fighting was pretty well done. not enough "action" shown on screen though. the first episode still holds the title for that category.
Harvey's helmet.. wow.

i wonder what the reunion between Savaris and Layfon will be like... too bad it seems like Leerin and Savaris will be arrested, most likely for having that dite.

blewin
2009-05-04, 05:25
yeah, i have a feeling that: Nina will conquer the goat and receive her mid series power boost. Layfon still has a ways to go until he gets his powerup though. Come on Leerin!! You can do it!!

about the ep:
Layfon is badass
Haia is sketch. he probably wanted to stab Layfon in the back, or that glare was a "holy shit, this guy is ridic" glare. probably the latter.
the last shot of Felli shows her despair and how she has little chance anymore. that ship is burning.
fighting was pretty well done. not enough "action" shown on screen though. the first episode still holds the title for that category.
Harvey's helmet.. wow.

i wonder what the reunion between Savaris and Layfon will be like... too bad it seems like Leerin and Savaris will be arrested, most likely for having that dite.

yeah, Nina controlling the goat's power. That's how the usual plot line would go.

hehe, yeah, it's strange seeing Harley wearing a helmet. Actually, I didn't realise he was tagging along. Looks like we'll see platoon 17 fighting filth monsters together. Smart of Layfon to get the group to see Haia's gang fight.

but where is Nina?? that's a bit hard to speculate.

zibi88
2009-05-04, 05:48
i wonder what the reunion between Savaris and Layfon will be like... too bad it seems like Leerin and Savaris will be arrested, most likely for having that dite.

nah... they are not arested but they cant leave the city and are under observation like till the city people find an object that got stolen from the city by someone..... its not becouse of that dite..... simply the culpits are those fox-masked people and after getting that stolen object from them Leerin will be free to leave.... I personaly hope that no one will touch that dite that Leerin is holding since it would be like touchign psyharden only dite..... (well Savarius wont allow anyone harm Leerin or take her stuff since its queen's order)

attobyte
2009-05-04, 09:36
It seems that Nina will finally become strong and apparently (as Savaris said) as strong as the queen of Grendam.
This may not be a good thing after all massive power are hard to control and usually the first time they're used means chaos.
Also Leelin seem to have a similar power to the one Nina is on the verge of acquiring.

Von Himmel
2009-05-04, 10:02
I'm more concerned about how will Nina return to Zuellni.
Anyway, great episode. But just like the usual stuffs, the battle aren't too great. The scene when the team starts talking about how the battle went, they made it looks like they're trying to describe at how the battle went rather than visualize it. It's more like reading the novel rather than watching the anime itself.


Btw, why did Nina got a headache (the newtype thingy) when she's talking to the goat ? If I remember it correctly, Layfon didn't get that.

zibi88
2009-05-04, 10:16
It seems that Nina will finally become strong and apparently (as Savaris said) as strong as the queen of Grendam.
This may not be a good thing after all massive power are hard to control and usually the first time they're used means chaos.
Also Leelin seem to have a similar power to the one Nina is on the verge of acquiring.

I doubt that..... I mean Savaris base level of strenght is gigantic.... so if he adds aditional power of the goat to his current level it would be kinda like the queens level of power.... but becouse Nina's base level is a whole weaker than Savaris and even Layfon her power upgrade wont be that enourmous I goes it will go in a formula like:

- weak/not strong + goat = power (like nina case)... like 0+1=1
- strong power + goat = Very strong power (savaris).... 1+1=2 so simply other level of power in those cases

Anyway it would be kinda absurd to give Nina such strong power like the queen's when her mentality is more on inter-city matches than fighting monsters (and with that strong power she would not defeat but kill humans in those matches) so nah I dont thing so ^^ (her base level is too weak to get such power up)

About how nina will return to Zerenii I goes they will use a bus (together with Leerin on the same way) or the cities will get close and the fight between cities will start and so she will use the opportinity to go to Zerenii city ^^

anyway we wont learn about this till ep19 or 20......... but I wonder how the stword will look like thta Leerin is bringing along for Layfon..... is there even a picture of it ??? Mostly it will be a katana like weapon since psyhardens fight with them....... but it would be nice if he got that sword (or similar) he was useing as HB.... finaly he could use his true kei (yellow) without breaking weapons XD

germanturkey
2009-05-04, 10:55
i doubt Nina will be as strong as the queen.. completely unrealistic to think that.

harik1
2009-05-04, 12:25
Has anyone noticed that the goat says "I shall turn both my master and foe into ash" Does this mean that possessing the goat is a double edged sword?

germanturkey
2009-05-04, 12:36
probably something like he saves the city but at the cost of the person he possesses.

attobyte
2009-05-04, 12:47
Has anyone noticed that the goat says "I shall turn both my master and foe into ash" Does this mean that possessing the goat is a double edged sword?

It confused me too. I think it was a mistranslation or something. The sentence is most probably:
"I'll turn both mine and my master's foes into ash."
At least it makes more sense.

ipernorris
2009-05-04, 12:51
It confused me too. I think it was a mistranslation or something. The sentence is most probably:
"I'll turn both mine and my master's foes into ash."
At least it makes more sense.
Well perhaps Goat-chan is a bittle sadic... what a troublesome guy to have "fusion" with! :heh:

Tjaard
2009-05-04, 13:25
Good epi this time too, Layfon is always uber strong, and i like see this any time xDD
Siena begin to understand what is the 17 platoon, Haia become less arrogant, and Goat-chan infect Nina after Zuellni, and yeah, i don't think that Nina will remain with Goat-chan and become strong, because Nina isn't suitable for it, so probably our Goat-chan will be refused for the second time xDD
Surely Layfon is a genius for using the Salivan group for recording their battle for training his platoon, but I want see his yellow uber kei on works, is long time that i don't see it :D
And more important than Leerin, is Savaris that probably one day arrive to Zuellni, so more chaos there xDD

Tyrone Biggums
2009-05-04, 14:28
What I don't get is a few episodes back Layfon fights the Haikizoku (sp?) and doesn't it recognize his strength? SO WHY THE HELL DID IT TAKE NINA!

And no Meifi this ep? Last episode had me thinking of the Kenshin movie back in the day, when Tomoe became his "sheath". Meifi becoming Layfons would be coo...if only for the confrontation when Leerin shows up.

Avantoe
2009-05-04, 14:35
What I don't get is a few episodes back Layfon fights the Haikizoku (sp?) and doesn't it recognize his strength? SO WHY THE HELL DID IT TAKE NINA!


From what i caught about 2 episodes back the haikizoku goes after resolutions and not strength. Maybe Layfons resolution wasnt strong enough.

Tjaard
2009-05-04, 15:01
I think that is Layfon that refused it not the contrary lol

zibi88
2009-05-04, 15:37
I think that the goat understanded that Layfon doesnt need power up since he was able to move with that huge aura pressure ^^ since after that slash it said "well done" (or impresive)........ well we can say that layfon was under huge aura pressure + goat talk and he was alright.... while nina couldnt even listen to him normaly and she got hurt (no aura like with layfon ^^)

well layfon fights for something important only to him (Leerin and orphanage).... well he is fighting monsters becouse no one in whole zerenii is able to fight them.... but his main purpose is that "important thing to him" while Nina is obsesed with that protect Zerenii thing......... but after graduateing wont nina be kicked out of the school (like that suad10 captain that black haired woman) into real world ? the same what would be her resolve now XD

but well I hope that nina wont get a super power bust stronger than layfon.... since it would only show that to become strong all you need is a city spirit (no hell training needed).... and so Layfon's whole life-training would be kinda put on waste.... like he wasted so much time while he could fidn himself a spirit and gain pwoer from it :P

hmmmm.... now that I think about it..... in ep1 there was 1city getting destroyed so did the queen took that city spirit into herself the same riseing her power level.... interesting.... well there must be more souls in grendan becouse like we see from zerenii situation aditional spirits make the city go nuts :P and Canalice wanted to invite another spirit into grendan.......... maybe queens objective is to gather as much souls in the city as possible and the same time this would couse the source of monsters to appear........ like gather and prepare all 12HB.... many souls for fire power and mostly the souls are like huge magnet the more souls the bigger disturbance in ballance and the same more monsters will apper (maybe even the head monsters of all monsters XD)

thundrakkon
2009-05-04, 15:58
Well if Nina will be possesed by the goat and will call it "her own true power" I will call her the biggest loser in whole CSR.... she couldnt get stronger with her own powers and she has to rely again on someone else power (she was relying on Layfon and now she will even rely on goat power ).....if she gets possesed than it would show that she was weak not only psyhicaly but even mentaly that's why the goat even was able to posses her.......... mostly the zerenii spirit will save her from beign swallowed by the power but anyway that doesnt change the fact that ITS NOT HER POWER GAINED FROM TRAINING AND HARD WORKING......goat-chan= cheating in my eyes....... Layfon in order to gain the power was training to the point where he stoped thinking about himself as human ans was thinking he is a monster... this is kinda cruel conclusion....

Layfon was born with his powers. If you look at cheating, well, that is the biggest cheating way of all, but let's put it another way. He was fortunate enough to be born with his "gift". He worked hard to utilize his gift, not grow leaps and bounds levels higher.

Nina has always, always worked hard to become stronger. She almost died due to working too hard. If Nina receives this gift for the goat, then it would not be any better or worse than Layfon. Besides, I do not believe she will gain a level close to the queen anyway. Also, as other mentions, her true battle is about to begin. She will have to struggle with the goat to gain control, and if she succeeds, then her mind is truly powerful to win.

Besides, that, I do not understand why people are so into making it as if Nina and Layfon have a romantic relationship in anyway? Layfon does not show any emotions, and Nina was more concerned about how he will affect the team match more than about his health. That is not true love in every sense of the word.

Btw, why did Nina got a headache (the newtype thingy) when she's talking to the goat ? If I remember it correctly, Layfon didn't get that.

If I had to guess, Nina has a special connection with electronic fairies, since one gave up its life energy to save her.

If Nina does become more powerful, then its great. They can then move the story onto her being a better captain (strategist) and Squad 17 can start going into better missions.

The Felli hate that some members have posted is a little bit much. The Leerin worship is also quite perplexing, since so far, she makes cameo appearances here and there to have her breasts grabbed and sighing about Layfon day and night. Yes, she is quite a physical specimen, but not much beyond that. Besides, if Layfon truly "loved" her, he would not have left her.

I think Layfon's issues with love has to do with the fact that he feels he is a monster and not suitable for normal people. Hence, to relate to him, you must be at the same "monster" level power, which in this case, would mean Felli and soon to be Nina. I do miss Mayshen's cute antics.

**Please note, I think all the female characters are great in their own way and do not hate any of them**

I think the series is heading into a more exciting arena. With the episode with Layfon having recorded the teamwork of the mercenaries, Squad 17 will eventually probably have the same level or even better. Layfon's mercenary protectors!

holyman282
2009-05-04, 16:09
Layfon didn't really have a choice about leaving Grendan after all he was exiled....

If your idea is correct about Leyfon only being romantically attached to people as monstrous as him then what's stopping people waving the LeyfonxQueen flag?

willyvereb
2009-05-04, 16:30
The Queen's piercing gaze?:p
She can't accept a mere tool as her lover. Even if she's concerned about the tool it's the same as the feelings of an archer with the bow.
In terms of "mosntrous power" i think the only exception is Meishen.
Nina:Kei, Fairy life force, Haikizokou(one hell of a mix)
Felli: Nen-i
Leerin: Compatibility with the Grendan...possible queen in the future.

thundrakkon
2009-05-04, 16:35
Layfon didn't really have a choice about leaving Grendan after all he was exiled....

If your idea is correct about Leyfon only being romantically attached to people as monstrous as him then what's stopping people waving the LeyfonxQueen flag?

Layfon has no desire to return. If he did, he would have shown that he missed it more. The scene when he leaves Leerin really only indicated that she wants him back, but he showed no inkling to doing so. He wanted to start his life over, and was willing to leave everything (including Leerin) behind.

There is no LayfonXQueen flag because there has been no indication of any romantic interest between the two. It takes more than just monstrous abilities for romance, or else you'd have LayfonXSavaris flags as well. Besides, what would you think when grandma goes out with teenage boy?

-Sho-
2009-05-04, 16:39
Good episode .
I feel that more we saw The Queen , more she is evil XD
Like i though with Nina , The goat possessed her . Poor Zuellni ^^
Layfon is a badass as always . Haia is interested to him ? And Fermaus too . lol , we didn't know more , Felli interrupted the conversation .
Layfon want to fight with the 17th platoon , it was great . Another character , Sienna (Shena?) who is suprised by Layfon's power .

7 episodes left . Too short ! Hope for a 2nd season . Lack of characters introduction (you saw them in 1st ep and in the op + the engrish part etc )

Lol Layfon x Queen (Shinola? or Shilona?) Mature content :p

Bonta Kun
2009-05-04, 17:58
Layfon has no desire to return. If he did, he would have shown that he missed it more. The scene when he leaves Leerin really only indicated that she wants him back, but he showed no inkling to doing so. He wanted to start his life over, and was willing to leave everything (including Leerin) behind.

There is no LayfonXQueen flag because there has been no indication of any romantic interest between the two. It takes more than just monstrous abilities for romance, or else you'd have LayfonXSavaris flags as well. Besides, what would you think when grandma goes out with teenage boy?

lol we don't need to see any sort of romantic interest between Fonfon nad the Queen to wave that flag, I've been doing so for quite awhile:p

I don't see any of that sort of thing going on but I've always thought the Queen has a soft spot for Fonfon, not sure why I do but I do.

Now I'm not sure I would say she was a grandma but can't be totally sure in this case.
Hell when she looks like that I wouldn't say no:heh:

haha so it was the Mercs take 6 and Fonfon takes 6...by himself!

I guess at this point its rather pointless to compare anyone else but other HB and the queen with Fonfon

oh and Leerin service (b^__^)b

clarakiss~
2009-05-04, 18:02
what a another good episode. it's gettin' repetitive that almost everyone hatin' on nina. give a her some slack, she's trying her best. personally i think she'll reject goat-san cuz in the next ep preview, it shows goat-san is in the stage of possessing her.

if she does gets possessed by him, it may be only temporaryly and lets not all forget, leerin has one with her and it's protecting her. maybe she'll somehow give it to layfon for a short time to defeat whoever the baddie is.

i also think, the real baddie is savaris, not the queen. the queen treats layfon like a little brother and always looks out for him and... she didn't killed him when he did a terrible thing.

savaris has a thirst for power and is probably thinking of overthrowing the queen and he seems to be hiding his hate for her. he got assigned to protect leerin but i having a feeling, he is in it for the ride to get to zuellni and locate goat-san. he just might extract it from nina if he found out she has it in her.

justinstrife
2009-05-04, 20:30
Layfon was born with his powers. If you look at cheating, well, that is the biggest cheating way of all, but let's put it another way. He was fortunate enough to be born with his "gift". He worked hard to utilize his gift, not grow leaps and bounds levels higher.

Nina has always, always worked hard to become stronger. She almost died due to working too hard. If Nina receives this gift for the goat, then it would not be any better or worse than Layfon. Besides, I do not believe she will gain a level close to the queen anyway. Also, as other mentions, her true battle is about to begin. She will have to struggle with the goat to gain control, and if she succeeds, then her mind is truly powerful to win.
While Nina was dreaming idealistic ideas of power and what it meant, Layfon was putting his life on the line fighting for not only his survival, but the survival of his childhood friend, his orphanage, and the city. Has he ever had a normal life? Has he ever been shown to have a normal life? What about a family? Have we seen anything about that? Only Leerin and the Orphanage. Even to the point of fighting in this underground tournaments to be able to support that orphanage.

You can cry cheating all you want, but he has been in life and death situations his entire life. What little you've seen in the last 10 or 15 episodes for Nina, PALE in comparison to his entire damn life. So don't even try and compare their respective 'power-ups'. :rolleyes:

DragoZERO
2009-05-04, 20:48
Nice action. Layfon finally has a good dite too. Nina sure screwed her self over. lol.

And as for the preview, it looks like Leerin will meet some good looking guy. If he pulls some moves I'll be pissed like hell. But I doubt you can pull Leerin away from Layfon. I can't wait for her to arrive at Zuellni. They need to have his current harem present when Leerin gives him a big kiss hello. That would be golden.

justinstrife
2009-05-04, 21:04
Nice action. Layfon finally has a good dite too. Nina sure screwed her self over. lol.

And as for the preview, it looks like Leerin will meet some good looking guy. If he pulls some moves I'll be pissed like hell. But I doubt you can pull Leerin away from Layfon. I can't wait for her to arrive at Zuellni. They need to have his current harem present when Leerin gives him a big kiss hello. That would be golden.
No guy can get Leerin to think about anyone but Layfon. Not without some serious drugs/magic/hypnosis. She's hooked on that guy like a surfer to his surfboard. :heh:

-keeps holding his Naruki x Layfon flag weakly-

Bonta Kun
2009-05-04, 22:29
No guy can get Leerin to think about anyone but Layfon. Not without some serious drugs/magic/hypnosis. She's hooked on that guy like a surfer to his surfboard. :heh:

-keeps holding his Naruki x Layfon flag weakly-

Nnnnoooes!!

You can not falter!!

just think of it as Leerin could possibly be swayed by the cool and suave guy and then Naruki swooping in for her prey. I mean her rivals are dropping like flies now.
Ninas been taken by auld goat-chan
May-chan is well I can't bear to think about that right now
Queen is still back at Grendan
Hell Leerin is still miles away
Felli is still being stubborn
Gor is I'm guessing busy looking after Shante
Now is the time for Naruki to strike!!!:heh:

thundrakkon
2009-05-04, 22:42
You can cry cheating all you want, but he has been in life and death situations his entire life. What little you've seen in the last 10 or 15 episodes for Nina, PALE in comparison to his entire damn life. So don't even try and compare their respective 'power-ups'. :rolleyes:

The point was not calling any of them a cheater. The whole scenario I mentioned was to show that you cannot really call Nina a cheater, or Layfon for that matter. All the characters have their problems, and all grow to overcome them.

Besides, are you trying to say that his battling through the years in an environment that requires it is what powered him up? By that logic, Haia should be just as strong as Layfon. Layfon has been blessed with an ability and is lucky to bear it. This is nothing against Layfon. He is the main character and for most people, the main reason people are watching this show.

Let's just enjoy this show and stop with the character bashing.

golthin
2009-05-04, 22:42
i doubt Nina will be as strong as the queen.. completely unrealistic to think that.

the power up to queen level would be if a HB receiver like layfon got the Goat's power.
I think Nina will power up to something close to Layfon's level.

cynicalicious
2009-05-04, 23:15
the power up to queen level would be if a HB receiver like layfon got the Goat's power.
I think Nina will power up to something close to Layfon's level.

Before or after she went stark raving mad?

You're forgetting what Goat-chan wants to do. The goat basically wants to take over her mind and use her as a vessel for his own ambitions. It's what left Din as well... drooling guy over in the corner over there.

There are probably only a handful of people on the whole freakin' planet who could tame and control Goat-chan. (My guess, anyway.) I'm thinking Nina is not one of them.

Isn't he a 電子精霊? Someone just pull his plug, or yank his power supply, or keep him away from Zuellni's stash of Selenium. Nobody likes an unwanted guest who bogarts all of your Selenium...

TrueKnight
2009-05-04, 23:39
Layfon:
- Raw Power (kei) : S++
- Fighting Skills : A+
- Kei Utilization/Management : A+
- Experience: A+

Haia:
- Raw Power (kei) : B
- Fighting Skills : A+
- Kei Utilization/Management : A+
- Experience: A+

Felli:
- Raw Power (Nen-i) : S++
- Fighting Skills : D
- Kei Utilization/Management : D – C-
- Experience: D

Nina (prior Goat):
- Raw Power (kei) : D
- Fighting Skills : D
- Kei Utilization/Management : D - C
- Experience: D

Queen:
- Raw Power (Kei – Nen-i) : S+++
- Fighting Skills : S+++
- Kei Utilization/Management : S+++
- Experience: S+++

Imo HBs aren’t made/trained, but rather born.

justinstrife
2009-05-04, 23:42
Nnnnoooes!!

You can not falter!!

just think of it as Leerin could possibly be swayed by the cool and suave guy and then Naruki swooping in for her prey. I mean her rivals are dropping like flies now.
Ninas been taken by auld goat-chan
May-chan is well I can't bear to think about that right now
Queen is still back at Grendan
Hell Leerin is still miles away
Felli is still being stubborn
Gor is I'm guessing busy looking after Shante
Now is the time for Naruki to strike!!!:heh:-takes a deep breath, drinks some water, feels his resolve returning. Whew that was close. -shakes off his weak knees- That was close Bonta-kun thank you! :heh:

Besides, are you trying to say that his battling through the years in an environment that requires it is what powered him up? By that logic, Haia should be just as strong as Layfon. Layfon has been blessed with an ability and is lucky to bear it. This is nothing against Layfon. He is the main character and for most people, the main reason people are watching this show.

Layfon obviously has more talent then Nina. That's the way it is. There are people in this world who have an affinity for something and excel at it better than others no matter how much harder they work. That is true. So given the fact that he has this talent and ability already, throwing him into a life and death situation, which heighten's EVERYTHING, forces him to adapt and grow stronger or DIE, I have no problem with him being uber powerful and better than anyone else in that academy.

Given the fact that Nina has NEVER had to fight a Filth Monster before, and has done all of her training in simulation and among 'Platoon Matches', and doesn't have anywhere near his talent, I find it insulting that people think she can just get possessed by a spirit, and suddenly become as powerful as Layfon and still control it herself. She has nowhere near the resolve that people claim she has. :rolleyes:

I'll put it to you this way. You have two guys. One has a faster metabolism, faster reflexes, and a quicker learner. The other is average in all ways. The first one grows up on the street, basically having to fight to survive. Then he somehow gets into the military and joins the special forces(I'd say Navy Seals but I'm biased so insert any country's special forces) and does countless missions behind enemy lines. The other one has a somewhat normal life, but takes Tae Kwon Do and becomes a black belt through hard work.

Who is going to have the mental strength and resolve to overcome something that is trying to control them? The special forces fighter, or the Tae Kwon Doe student? Which one makes any bit of sense, even in anime form? Who do you think is going to kick who's ass? -cue in Jeopardy theme-

Giving Nina the necessary power and experience boost to rival Layfon, just cheapens the entire show.

Slick_rick
2009-05-05, 00:08
Layfon:
- Raw Power (kei) : S++
- Fighting Skills : A+
- Kei Utilization/Management : A+
- Experience: A+

Haia:
- Raw Power (kei) : B
- Fighting Skills : A+
- Kei Utilization/Management : A+
- Experience: A+

Felli:
- Raw Power (Nen-i) : S++
- Fighting Skills : D
- Kei Utilization/Management : D – C-
- Experience: D

Nina (prior Goat):
- Raw Power (kei) : D
- Fighting Skills : D
- Kei Utilization/Management : D - C
- Experience: D

Queen:
- Raw Power (Kei – Nen-i) : S+++
- Fighting Skills : S+++
- Kei Utilization/Management : S+++
- Experience: S+++

Imo HBs aren’t made/trained, but rather born.

I can't even take this slightly seriously. This is a bunch of random grades thrown around with little to no basis to them. Nina has the same fighting skills as Felli? Come on now. Besides kicking her enemy in the shins hard what other fighting skills has Felli shown? And also her skills with psychokinesis might be excellent but I can't see it being anywhere close to what we seen from Layfon's Kei. This is nothing but an underhanded way to fanboy Felli and try to put down Nina.

And the only HB you have any information on to basis that opinion on is Layfon and we see that he was certainly trained hard before he became a HB.:rolleyes:

ipernorris
2009-05-05, 00:23
I think people is in great mistake if they think Layfon was able to reject the Goat... it isn't possible Layfon did that with his own strength, because the Goat power is compared to the Queen's one, which can crush Layfon anytime.
People justify this saying Layfon has a strong will and is powerful, but I think this is the opposite: while he's very powerful, he lacks strong desires that the Goat can exploit to possess him. I think Layfon has nothing like "a strong will" and his attitude during the fights, especially against the inter-platoon ones, is proof of this.

zibi88
2009-05-05, 00:43
haha but it would be funny if it turned out that Leerin and Layfon are in reality siblings (since we dont know anything about layfons parents...) and so if queen turns out to be Leerins mom (or someone from bloodline) than Layfon would be too :P

Well Leerin has a mysterious power and Layfon (the same age like Leerin) has very strong kei-level along with that internal yellow flow...... it's like Leerin got defensive skills and Layfon offensive :P ,

well in novel dont know vol11 I suppose there was 1picture of a old guy holding 2babies while protecting them from a monster.... it kinda is strange that both Leerin and Layfon ended up in the same orhpanage... they have the same age and have a strong bond (we cant look at names since they can be given to hide his true self)

anyway time will show but the main question is how the anime will going to end.... there is no way that it will reach vol11-12 in only few episodes... so I goes alternative ending for anime.... or end of season1 and in future season 2 will happen (we dont know how long the novel will take...)

ipernorris
2009-05-05, 00:51
anyway time will show but the main question is how the anime will going to end.... there is no way that it will reach vol11-12 in only few episodes... so I goes alternative ending for anime.... or end of season1 and in future season 2 will happen (we dont know how long the novel will take...)
The two things, alterntive ending and season 2, aren't incompatible... they can do them both. So far there isn't even a grand scale plot in CSR: the only clue is that lots of people is interested in Haikizoku and that it may be useful for "the great..." something. Haia's nein user was going to tell that something, but Felli interrupted him to say her usual bullshit about Layfon being reckless and crap like that.

justinstrife
2009-05-05, 01:28
I think people is in great mistake if they think Layfon was able to reject the Goat... it isn't possible Layfon did that with his own strength, because the Goat power is compared to the Queen's one, which can crush Layfon anytime.
People justify this saying Layfon has a strong will and is powerful, but I think this is the opposite: while he's very powerful, he lacks strong desires that the Goat can exploit to possess him. I think Layfon has nothing like "a strong will" and his attitude during the fights, especially against the inter-platoon ones, is proof of this.
Has anybody in the show really showed a 'strong will'? I haven't seen it yet I don't think. I can agree that Layfon doesn't. Nina doesn't. Nobody else in Platoon 17 has it.

cynicalicious
2009-05-05, 01:30
Sharnid has a strong will... to score with the ladies... :D

ipernorris
2009-05-05, 01:48
Has anybody in the show really showed a 'strong will'? I haven't seen it yet I don't think. I can agree that Layfon doesn't. Nina doesn't. Nobody else in Platoon 17 has it.
I don't agree. Din had a strong will to protect Zuellni, and the same stands for Nina. The dude above me pointed out a strong will on Sharnid's part... anyway we can find strong wills in almost evreyone... being it of love nature or military nature. The only one without a "strong will" is Layfon: to the point he makes things always half assed, until the last useful istant, when he realizes how much dangerous the situation is.

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-05, 01:49
I can't even take this slightly seriously. This is a bunch of random grades thrown around with little to no basis to them. Nina has the same fighting skills as Felli? Come on now. Besides kicking her enemy in the shins hard what other fighting skills has Felli shown? And also her skills with psychokinesis might be excellent but I can't see it being anywhere close to what we seen from Layfon's Kei. This is nothing but an underhanded way to fanboy Felli and try to put down Nina.

I can understand why Nina was given such low score. To be honest, her kei is not that weak, but not that strong either. Probably around... C+? And yes, her Kei control is pretty terrible (although after got trained by Layfon it got a bit better), which in my own opinion, is why she cannot utilize her kei in optimal output.

Though on the experience side, she should get at least... B? C? At least her pre-series inter-platoon match give her the experience on fighting (Still, I would not be able to say that it affects her decisions though, depending on one's own view).

As for Felli, Nen-i users are generally not fighters. :rolleyes: While Felli's Nen-i may not be as strong as Layfon's Kei, hers are special on its own term. Not as strong as Layfon's Kei, but strong enough to get an A using Grade ranks when we have to take into account that Kei/Nen-i is natural-born ability.

And note that Kei is utilized more on fighting purpose while Felli's natural Nen-i property is for optimally for supporting purpose. And seeing that you do have forgotten that she acts as the team support slash communication person, of course you have forgotten how useful she is in Nina's strategy execution, of course, of course. Especially when the strategy needs an accurate real-time directing in itself. :innocent: (I still can list some others, but hey, this is enough for my hands right now :D)

And the only HB you have any information on to basis that opinion on is Layfon and we see that he was certainly trained hard before he became a HB.:rolleyes:

On the contrary, he was trained HARD after he becomes a HB. I mean, c'mon, what is Lintence doing in Layfon's HB flashback (ep 3 referral)? While he does and very possibly train hard even before he become a HB, you can't dismiss his natural talents on fighting ability and fast-learning on it (which is pretty much why he could become a HB in such a young age).

Gee, this is kind of getting out of hand already with one side of fans (or dislikers, or haters whatever you prefer) being too aggressive and the other side being too defending to the point of ridiculing or downplaying other characters' abilities... I'm getting an Orihime-haet vibe of Bleach here...

gonzo562
2009-05-05, 02:01
finally they are starting to introduce a bigger plot into the anime. Only 9 episodes left i think. Hopefully the plot starts to pick up and ends up to be decent.

pretty good episode not a 9 or 10 though around a 7-8

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 02:23
Ok let's see the so called power levels:
Layfon:
Kei: S
Fighting: A+
Kei control: A+
Experience: A
Special:none
Haia:
Kei: B+
Fighting: A
Kei Controll: C
Experience: B+
Special:none
Felli:
Kei: B
Fighting: E+(always remained at the back)
Kei Control: D+(often activates without her noticing)
Experience: E(D after ep 5)
Special:Excellent Nen-i affinity
Nina:
Kei: C+
Fighting: C+
Kei Control: D(D+ with Layfon's instructions)
Experience: D(D+ after ep 5 and 7)
Special:Fairy Language, Space Jump
Queen:
Kei: EX
Fighting Skills: S(she polished it just out of hobby...there's no need for her to actually fight)
Kei Control: EX
Experience: EX
Special:Haikizokou housing, eternal life and beuty
Dixerio:
Kei: A
Fighting: A
Kei Control: A
Experience: S+
Special:Temporal Traveller
Savaris:
Kei: S+
Fighting: S
Kei Control: S
Experience: S
Special:Red Kei(every other HB Reciever have yellow or orange except him)

monir
2009-05-05, 02:27
What does EX stand for?

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 02:30
Extreme...I got it from the Claymore power levels. Basicaly means that it's out of league...no use comparing it to anyone's...the attribute after S+
Edit: It's used in Fate/ Stay night too as the highest value for a Noble Phantasm

monir
2009-05-05, 02:36
Queeny is a monster. And she is a looker too. Won't it be awesome if she joins Layfon's harem?

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 02:39
NO!
If the queen joins then it's not a harem anymore! Every other contender mysteriously disapears...:pXD

monir
2009-05-05, 03:13
NO!
If the queen joins then it's not a harem anymore! Every other contender mysteriously disapears...:pXD
Oh, I don't think she will need to have the competition disappear. She will just need to put them in their place through her usual charm. Probably choke some sense into them, but hey... she is royalty, so I'm sure Nina, Felli, Naruki, Leerin, Mai, Savaris, Goat, or anyother crackers' taking a shot at Layfon's pant will understand.

ipernorris
2009-05-05, 03:17
I think Layfon+Goat = Queen. The Goat is like some kind of nuke imho.

monir
2009-05-05, 03:23
What I don't understand is that if the Haikizoku is really this powerful, why does it need a host? It's continuous attempt to get people under its control makes it annoying and makes me doubt about it's apparent power level.

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 03:29
Simple...it's a spirit...only it's eneroumus power can mantain it's existance...it needs some kind of body...

clarakiss~
2009-05-05, 04:29
Queeny is a monster. And she is a looker too. Won't it be awesome if she joins Layfon's harem?

i think the queen has a thing for girls... not guys. which explains why she always grabs leerin's 'you know.' :)

monir
2009-05-05, 04:49
i think the queen has a thing for girls... not guys. which explains why she always grabs leerin's 'you know.' :)
Right you are. Even better! :)

Simple...it's a spirit...only it's eneroumus power can mantain it's existance...it needs some kind of body...
What about that tiny little fairy that is friendly with Nina? That's a spirit too, right? It can maintain it's ethereal existence without being powerful, can it not? Sorry, if I'm sounding clueless. The secret is, *whispers to Willy* I am quite clueless. :D

Von Himmel
2009-05-05, 05:24
Looking at Savaris' stat, it really explained that he's far beyond anyone leauge except the queen right now. Why not mention the old dude that trained Layfon long time ago too ?

encia
2009-05-05, 05:55
I can understand why Nina was given such low score. To be honest, her kei is not that weak, but not that strong either. Probably around... C+? And yes, her Kei control is pretty terrible (although after got trained by Layfon it got a bit better), which in my own opinion, is why she cannot utilize her kei in optimal output.

Though on the experience side, she should get at least... B? C? At least her pre-series inter-platoon match give her the experience on fighting (Still, I would not be able to say that it affects her decisions though, depending on one's own view).

As for Felli, Nen-i users are generally not fighters. :rolleyes: While Felli's Nen-i may not be as strong as Layfon's Kei, hers are special on its own term. Not as strong as Layfon's Kei, but strong enough to get an A using Grade ranks when we have to take into account that Kei/Nen-i is natural-born ability.

And note that Kei is utilized more on fighting purpose while Felli's natural Nen-i property is for optimally for supporting purpose. And seeing that you do have forgotten that she acts as the team support slash communication person, of course you have forgotten how useful she is in Nina's strategy execution, of course, of course. Especially when the strategy needs an accurate real-time directing in itself. :innocent: (I still can list some others, but hey, this is enough for my hands right now :D)

In EP04, unlike Platoon 1 leader ‘s Vance, Felli successfully defeated a “guardian” monster (a project designed to fight the Filth Monsters). If she is forced to fight, Felli can fight. Also, Felli is associated with OP theme song when she fights.

In EP16, Vance defeats Nina.

-Sho-
2009-05-05, 06:05
Lol i thought it was the reals stats but no ^^
Too early to grade them . Layfon still didn't used his full power though .
Oh god , when the others characters like the little witch with her 2 pistols will appear ??

What if Shilona is a granny ? XD like Tsunade :p

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 06:12
What about that tiny little fairy that is friendly with Nina? That's a spirit too, right? It can maintain it's ethereal existence without being powerful, can it not? Sorry, if I'm sounding clueless. The secret is, *whispers to Willy* I am quite clueless. :D
And with what?
An eneromous mashine that fuelled by Selenium.
The Goat lost it's city and the mashines stopped working...I think that's why it changed to a goatish shape and seeks a possessable human.

TrueKnight
2009-05-05, 06:49
I can't even take this slightly seriously. This is a bunch of random grades thrown around with little to no basis to them. Nina has the same fighting skills as Felli? Come on now. Besides kicking her enemy in the shins hard what other fighting skills has Felli shown?

Your ‘I’m always mightier than thou’ posts never cease to amuse me.

Nina is a kei user and meant for close quarter combats, Felli is a nen-I user and is meant provide reconnaissance and intelligence so their fighting roles are different in the first place. If only you had read and thought about this carefully before stating little with much less basis.

And also her skills with psychokinesis might be excellent but I can't see it being anywhere close to what we seen from Layfon's Kei.

Layfon base power output is kei’s which is physical, while Felli is nen-I’s which is more mind-like. Differrent role.

This is nothing but an underhanded way to fanboy Felli and try to put down Nina.

Or one of many assessments made based on the characters until episode 17? By no means it is perfect but I wonder if you could give us a better and more reasonable one rather than stating underhand statements ‘this is fanboyism and my toy is better than yours’.

Edit: seems like Natsuki Hyuga pretty much covers it.

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 07:30
Well...Nen-i the petal itself...that's why Felli a Nen-i user.
Psychokinesis a n unique tallent that can't be learned. It's a weird combination of inner and outer Kei surge and the user able to move objects with his/her Kei.
(At last i understood that thanks to the novel translations)
So basically Felli an extreme potent Nen-i user. But it's not automatically means that she have extraordinary high amounnts of Kei like Layfon. Perhaps it's highly possible that she has eneromous amounts if we compare it to a normal MA student in Zuelni, but far from Layfon's level.
About the fighting
If you mean the use of her weapon(Nen-i) then it's true that she's at the same level as Nina.

Slick_rick
2009-05-05, 08:04
In EP04, unlike Platoon 1 leader ‘s Vance, Felli successfully defeated a “guardian” monster (a project designed to fight the Filth Monsters). If she is forced to fight, Felli can fight. Also, Felli is associated with OP theme song when she fights.

In EP16, Vance defeats Nina.

Felli distracted the guardian and drop some rocks on his heads which gave Vance the opportunity to kill it. This I can hardly consider "fighting skills". Sure, quick thinking but far from making me think she can actually win in a one on one fight.

Your ‘I’m always mightier than thou’ posts never cease to amuse me.

Nina is a kei user and meant for close quarter combats, Felli is a nen-I user and is meant provide reconnaissance and intelligence so their fighting roles are different in the first place. If only you had read and thought about this carefully before stating little with much less basis.

No, it's you who don't understand. That role is easily classified under the Neni-I user category you had and 99 percent of it has nothing to do with fighting. Fighting as in actual combat not support which is what she mainly provides. Classifying that as "fighting" is you only looking to find an excuse to give her a better score. Plain and simple. It's like saying Harley fighting skills are on Layfon levels if he's one of the best Dite mechanic in the world.




Layfon base power output is kei’s which is physical, while Felli is nen-I’s which is more mind-like. Differrent role.

While it's possible that she might have somewhere close to his levels. She has yet to show anything remotely close to the overpowering power that Layfon has demonstrated on numerous occasions. And it is fairly hard to compare her to other psychokinesis users since we have really have seen another one range and abilities.


Or one of many assessments made based on the characters until episode 17? By no means it is perfect but I wonder if you could give us a better and more reasonable one rather than stating underhand statements ‘this is fanboyism and my toy is better than yours’.

Edit: seems like Natsuki Hyuga pretty much covers it.

I don't think any kind of accurate chart could be constructed and I find no value in doing one. Though I do find Willyvereb to be much fairer and closer to the truth. In 17 episodes how much have we actually seen to make a honest comparison? Regios is not Naruto or Bleach which has a high emphasize on fighting and ability uses.

Also the main problem I had was with how you tried to make these numbers to try to prove a point which had little basis. Yes, I misconstrued that Layfon wasn't a HB at that time but that doesn't change the fact he most certainly had a lot of training before becoming a HB. Sure, I'm certain he had much higher potential that others but that potential had to be brought out. Also we have no idea about any of the other HB users. Savaris certainly seems a person born with power but certainly we could have other who trained extremely hard to acquire the power they now hold.

Also I don't really see how my saying Layfon trained hard is in anyway downplaying Layfon's abilities. Yes, I do think Layfon worked his ass off to become a HB user so he could support the orphanage. Yes, I'm obviously hating on Layfon because I said that. We all know hard work is a sin nowadays.

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-05, 08:11
FYI, Slick_rick, if you noticed it, I am actually referring to you downplaying Felli's ability than Layfon. I just have to give some thoughts on your Layfon's tarining, and by no means think it's a downplaying thing.

My last comment is just an afternote after seeing quite a lot of Nina fanwank last episode, which seems to ignite some Nina's fans to downplay Felli slowly.

Slick_rick
2009-05-05, 08:29
FYI, Slick_rick, if you noticed it, I am actually referring to you downplaying Felli's ability than Layfon. I just have to give some thoughts on your Layfon's tarining, and by no means think it's a downplaying thing.

My last comment is just an afternote after seeing quite a lot of Nina fanwank last episode, which seems to ignite some Nina's fans to downplay Felli slowly.

Well since the quote was about Layfon I naturally assumed it was he you were talking about, my mistake. But, please tell me how I was in any was I downplaying Felli's abilities? Was the excellent psychokinesis but probably not on Layfon level? Or maybe it was she not much a fighter statement? You seem to have agreed with that statement. So please point out the statement which gave you this impression.

TrueKnight
2009-05-05, 08:39
No, it's you who don't understand. That role is easily classified under the Neni-I user category you had and 99 percent of it has nothing to do with fighting. Fighting as in actual combat not support which is what she mainly provides. Classifying that as "fighting" is you only looking to find an excuse to give her a better score. Plain and simple. It's like saying Harley fighting skills are on Layfon levels if he's one of the best Dite mechanic in the world.

Wow, just wow. So we’re playing interpretation now on ‘fighting’?

Here are websters:


Fighting
Adjective

1. (military) engaged in or ready for military or naval operations; "on active duty"; "the platoon is combat-ready"; "review the fighting forces".
2. Engaged in war; "belligerent (or warring) nations"; "a fighting war".
3. Disposed to loud disagreements and fighting
Noun
1. The act of fighting; any contest or struggle


Mirriam Websters,


fighting
intransitive verb1 a: to contend in battle or physical combat ; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons b: to engage in boxing2: to put forth a determined efforttransitive verb1 a (1): to contend against in or as if in battle or physical combat (2): to box against in the ring b (1): to attempt to prevent the success or effectiveness of <the company fought the takeover attempt> (2): to oppose the passage or development of <fight a bill in Congress>2 a: WAGE, CARRY ON <fight a battle> b: to take part in (as a boxing match)3: to struggle to endure or surmount <fight a cold>4 a: to gain by struggle <fights his way through> b: to resolve by struggle <fought out their differences in court>5 a: to manage (a ship) in a battle or storm b: to cause to struggle or contend c: to manage in an unnecessarily rough or awkward manner


Now then, where does it states that fighting should be specifically actual close combat? Engage could mean participate in a battlefield where a support’s role differs from an attacker. Hence, Felli's role.

I’m tempted to bring this further by bringing terms of ‘fighting’ in comparison used in military, political, judicial, agro and macro economics across nations. Because obviously you don’t know jack.

Also the main problem I had was with how you tried to make these numbers to try to prove a point which had little basis.

You should research and do your homework first before making statement like this. This contradicts the prior above.

Other than that, your other posts are quite reasonable.

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 08:41
The only thing in fighting skill where Felli equal to Nina the use of their weapons. Felli's Nen-i Staff and Nina's skill at using her iron rods roughly equals.

I think we should start a power levels thread soon if it keeps up.

TrueKnight:
It's somewhat just forcefully stating that Felli's information gathering=fighting.
Fighting roughly equals violence.
Gathering intelligence and estabilishing communications far from fighting.

Westlo
2009-05-05, 08:42
If your idea is correct about Leyfon only being romantically attached to people as monstrous as him then what's stopping people waving the LeyfonxQueen flag?

Because the Queen is like ten times more monstrous than Layfon :heh:

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 08:44
Yeah...the Queen like a monster herself to any HB reciever:p

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-05, 08:45
Well since the quote was about Layfon I naturally assumed it was he you were talking about, my mistake. But, please tell me how I was in any was I downplaying Felli's abilities? Was the excellent psychokinesis but probably not on Layfon level? Or maybe it was she not much a fighter statement? You seem to have agreed with that statement. So please point out the statement which gave you this impression.

It's maybe my mistake here, but you cannot actually make a comparison of Felli's 'fighting' ability (TK also failed to take this into account as well. So sorry TK, but I also a bit cannot see how Nina can have D rather than at least C :o) since she is mainly not a fighter in all sense. Although she can fight, her Kei is just not suited to do that.

When you said only her "fighting ability" and do not refer at her Scouting and long-range communication ability (via Nen-i) at all, which is basically her visible natural ability and the one that actually should be referred more, I kind of think you are somehow downplaying Felli's abilities.

But again, this is just a nitpick and overstretched thinking perhaps (I blame certain fangirl for my thinking these days :upset:). So my apologies if you do not mean to downplay Felli's ability ^_^;

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 09:07
We're mixing up the meaning of fighting ability and someone's use in fighting.
If we speak about that then Felli more usefull in battle than Nina cause of Layfon.
But the usefullness in fighting is a more complex thing. Few examples:
Layfon: Fighting Skill(80%), experience(15%), Intelligence Gathering(5%)
Nina:Fighting Skill(60%), Leadership(30%), Experience(10%)
Felli: Fighting Skill(25%), Intelligence Gathering(72%), Experience(3%)
Harley:Fighting Skill(0%), Dite Crafting(100%)
Perhaps it's only my guess on the composition. Layfon more usefull in the platoon than Nina for example.

DragoZERO
2009-05-05, 09:10
Let's just enjoy this show and stop with the character bashing. +1

I think people is in great mistake if they think Layfon was able to reject the Goat... it isn't possible Layfon did that with his own strength, because the Goat power is compared to the Queen's one, which can crush Layfon anytime.
People justify this saying Layfon has a strong will and is powerful, but I think this is the opposite: while he's very powerful, he lacks strong desires that the Goat can exploit to possess him. I think Layfon has nothing like "a strong will" and his attitude during the fights, especially against the inter-platoon ones, is proof of this.
Yeah. The guy really has no resolve. The only solid thing he said was this episode with the cheesy "I want to fight with you guys" and all. He is still in the angst stage. lol.

TrueKnight
2009-05-05, 09:10
Whatever you say. It obvious now you're just going to try to cop-out of this. I've proven my case I'll let the readers judge. You can have whatever pride you still have left and run off with your tail between your legs.

Well atleast actually we already have an agreement. Your previous statement.

No, it's you who don't understand. That role is easily classified under the Neni-I user category you had and 99 percent of it has nothing to do with fighting. Fighting as in actual combat not support which is what she mainly provides. Classifying that as "fighting" is you only looking to find an excuse to give her a better score. Plain and simple. It's like saying Harley fighting skills are on Layfon levels if he's one of the best Dite mechanic in the world.

Felli’s role not categorized as fighting right?

Then I post my blabla post, afterwards here’s your counter statement,

Don't try to play word games. Fighting is a broad term. That is quite clear but even you I think you understand what it means when a stat is listed as fighting. Certainly she is "fighting" but she doesn't use it to "fight" the enemy in the physical sense generally but instead to support the group. Like I said your definition is so broad that you'd make Harley the greatest fighter because of his support skills.

See? We're in an agreement afterall.

Cheers dude. Hope to have a good discussion again.

Von Himmel
2009-05-05, 09:13
It's only a day, and the war had started lol.
To make an analogy, this would be like this for me :
In a war, why would I compared a spy with a knight ? If you're talking about their achievments, then that would be a different matter. If it's about how they 'do' in battle, I can't even compare them.

Yeah. The guy really has no resolve. The only solid thing he said was this episode with the cheesy "I want to fight with you guys" and all. He is still in the angst stage. lol.
Regios would be all with Layfon's development ~ :x

Slick_rick
2009-05-05, 09:49
It's only a day, and the war had started lol.
To make an analogy, this would be like this for me :
In a war, why would I compared a spy with a knight ? If you're talking about their achievments, then that would be a different matter. If it's about how they 'do' in battle, I can't even compare them.

Well this isn't really a comparison issue. What would you give a Lancelot or Gawain in terms of fighting ability? On the other hand how would you rate someone like Aldrich Ames(notorious spy) in terms of actual fighting? He was surely fighting his own battle/war but I doubt you'd consider that for a stat listed as fighting. Felli skills are recon based while Nina is a fighter in regards to actual combat. Semantics aside Nina in terms of fighting is above Felli and all the word games in the world doesn't change it.

When someone says they're a greater fighter you usually get an image of something like Muhammad Ali not the guy whispering in his ear about things he saw going on during the fight. Both of them have their role though but one must separate these things unless we want to make a word useless for describing things. Felli skills were already clearly shown in her extremely(overly?) high score for Kei but then applying that to her fighting would be unfair when it's not used for that purpose. Sorry but I must have missed the episode where she was beating up on two or three plus people with her flower petals.

harik1
2009-05-05, 10:50
here is my 2 cents on felli's abilities. I think she is really underrated.

Kei power: I think she has a comparable amount of kei as layfon. Here are my reasons for basing these upon:
She has demonstrated over and over again that she can user her abilities over very large distances. The first monster they fought, she was the one that detected the location of the monster. The next filth monster that attacked which was days away from zuellni still she was able to keep in constant touch with layfon all throughout the encounter. In fact she didn't have a luxury of taking rest, she was constantly using her abilities throughout even when zuellni was running away in the opposite direction. This should prove her enormous kei amount.

Fighting: Weak but can fight when needed. She does not fight because her abilities are more well used for support.

Kei ability: I think this is where she is very underrated. She has demonstrated in ep 17 that she can tune into other nen-i users and communicate with layfon which even surprised the masked guy. She was also simultaneously keeping track of nina and also communicating with the president. She learnt all this by herself unlike the rest who atleast had others they could emulate or learn from. This makes her a genius in my opinion. Just because she has very large kei which is alway overflowing doesn't mean she cannot control it when she wants.

Experience: She has the least exp in the group. She doesn't have anyone to teach or base her skill of, yet she is able to display very high abilities.

In short I think felli is a HB in the rough. If she was in grenden I don't think she will have a problem becoming a HB especially if she is thought by the other HB nen-i type. Also the nen-i type's importance to the regios world is demonstrated by the inclusion of a nen-i type as a HB.

My last bit of circumstantial evidence for felli awesomeness is that like layfon she always manages to surprise ppl everytime she gets a chance to display her abilities, like when noticing that layfon had huge internal kei when healing, or fighting that monster by using her petals as weapons, or using her abilities to detect FM and communicate over large distances or using other nen-i types to extend her range even more.

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 11:56
Hm...interesting.
But I think it's just that she's an EXTREME talent in Nen-i controlling/Psychokinesis
Her Kei amount is somewhat large and i think much of her Kei usable in Psychokinesis.I think it because Felli almost never shows any classical Kei-related ability so I think her Kei controll is rather weak(not to mention that her Psychokinetic ability activates often against her will). In terms of Nen-i controll she's trendemously talented and skilled(almost or even HB level).
But remember: A HB must fight for the title and i think Felli has serious problems with even defeating Nina.
I think a HB level Psychokinesist even capable to throw huge rocks(with his/her Psychokinetic ability) without a Dite.

TrueKnight
2009-05-05, 12:47
Well the old HB lady in ep 1 is a nen-I user. One thing for sure a ridiculous large amount of kei along with superb nen-I management are a must have. The question is do they pit nen-I users against close-quarter specialist in for claiming the HB title or is it against fellow nen-I users? Or does a HB nen-I user is actually picked because of their exceptional talent and experience without required to participate in a HB battle at all?

satomianzaki
2009-05-05, 13:59
can someone clarify who are the main protagonists of chrome shelled regios?
are they really layfon and nina? should be right?

so...i guess that explains the character developments...the story mainly revolves around these two...or am i wrong?

:)

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 14:05
Actually? The protagonist Layfon.
But as Main Heroine:Nina and Leerin i guess.

ipernorris
2009-05-05, 14:08
can someone clarify who are the main protagonists of chrome shelled regios?
are they really layfon and nina? should be right?

so...i guess that explains the character developments...the story mainly revolves around these two...or am i wrong?

:)
Uhm no,: the main character is only one: Layfon.
The others are only supporting characters.

addict2anime
2009-05-05, 14:11
Well an nen-I user can't only be able to use nen-I, i think viewers should at least assume to some point that each member of a platoon has some type of combat skills... I mean people in the army who gather information have to known some type of self-defense...

The debate between the three of you seemed kinda pointless... theres no reason you should care why he graded the characters the way he did, if you don't like it just make your own grade sheet and compare :D Btw in episode 11 Felli was able to flip in the air and during platoon matches she's normally up in trees... She has to be able to some strength to do so don't chuu think~

Fact is if you disagree you disagree and if you agree just agree o-o no need to turn this into a war <3

ipernorris
2009-05-05, 15:14
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5056/goatchan.jpg
:D

Tyrone Biggums
2009-05-05, 15:27
Where exactly is the manga at?

encia
2009-05-05, 16:14
Felli distracted the guardian and drop some rocks on his heads which gave Vance the opportunity to kill it. This I can hardly consider "fighting skills". Sure, quick thinking but far from making me think she can actually win in a one on one fight.

In Ep12, in the scene where "the loser pays for the dinner", Nina lost against Felli, Layfon and Sharnid.

cynicalicious
2009-05-05, 16:43
Keep in mind, Felli is the only one in Zuellni with skills even close to Fon-Fon's level.

Her connection with Fon-Fon is that she understands what it's like to feel like a "monster" of sorts, because she's been isolated by her extreme nen-i skills since she was a child. Even among nen-i users, she's top class power-wise, like Fon-Fon.

It's what makes the 3 crushes so interesting. Felli's crush is based on finding someone like her, Nina's is based more on finding someone she can't leave alone (sort of like an annoying little brother, perhaps?), while Meichi's is based on finding her knight in shining armor... of course none of them stand a chance against Leerin. lol.

willyvereb
2009-05-05, 17:27
It's a way too early to say that. Even with Leerin Layfon has zero romantical connections. She's just currently on the winning side.
About the scene at ep 12.
deflecting flying balls with Nen-I petals(or even moving them with psychokinetic power) far from fighting potential.
Nina must deflect them with her heavy dites. So the thing Felli said it's true. either Sharnid or Nina loses. Cause there's no chance in hell that Layfon could miss even one:p.

holyman282
2009-05-05, 17:50
Well the old HB lady in ep 1 is a nen-I user. One thing for sure a ridiculous large amount of kei along with superb nen-I management are a must have. The question is do they pit nen-I users against close-quarter specialist in for claiming the HB title or is it against fellow nen-I users? Or does a HB nen-I user is actually picked because of their exceptional talent and experience without required to participate in a HB battle at all?

the question would actually be is a nen-I even a HB? I mean in ep 1 we didn't see the old lady with a HB in fact and perhaps a nen-I user can't be a HB.

Fevvers
2009-05-05, 18:41
Well, now. This was a pretty telling episode, barring the poorly directed action scenes (maybe that's why I can't see much of Layfon's so-called badassness?); team 17's trust and teamwork has changed a whole lot compared to their earlier days, and not to mention the growth that occurred between Layfon/Nina and Felli/Nina. It's quite clear that Felli's worried for Nina (not something I thought she was capable of in the beginning of the series, unless your Layfon, which was one of my beefs with her), hence her conflicting feelings of envy and guilt in the last part of the episode (or at least, that's what I assume to be jealousy and guilt). As for Layfon, I can't help but laugh at the poor boy in a awww-your-completely-smitten-and-you-have-absolutely-no-idea sort of way.

We have here an interesting, yet expected event with the Hakizoku and Nina, though whether Goat-chan gives her power or not, I highly doubt Nina will have it easy nor without giving a fight. Anyway, it certainly beats having a mary-sue power hax like Layfon running around all the freaking time.

cynicalicious
2009-05-05, 18:58
The old nen-i user is most definitely a HB.

thundrakkon
2009-05-05, 18:59
Well the old HB lady in ep 1 is a nen-I user. One thing for sure a ridiculous large amount of kei along with superb nen-I management are a must have. The question is do they pit nen-I users against close-quarter specialist in for claiming the HB title or is it against fellow nen-I users? Or does a HB nen-I user is actually picked because of their exceptional talent and experience without required to participate in a HB battle at all?

Wow, I almost forgot about the old lady at the beginning. I now understand why they had an old lady in the group. She will probably hit the bucket some day soon, when Felli is ready take over.

As far as if she is a HB or not, I think I should rewatch it again and count how many people were standing there and watching. The queen did mention that they have a full 12 set of HB's. If true, then the last HB must be a nen-I user.

DragoZERO
2009-05-05, 19:50
Keep in mind, Felli is the only one in Zuellni with skills even close to Fon-Fon's level.

Her connection with Fon-Fon is that she understands what it's like to feel like a "monster" of sorts, because she's been isolated by her extreme nen-i skills since she was a child. Even among nen-i users, she's top class power-wise, like Fon-Fon.

It's what makes the 3 crushes so interesting. Felli's crush is based on finding someone like her, Nina's is based more on finding someone she can't leave alone (sort of like an annoying little brother, perhaps?), while Meichi's is based on finding her knight in shining armor... of course none of them stand a chance against Leerin. lol.
Not to mention she knows what its like to be used by her brother.

And I am pro Meichi right now. Will have to wait to see what happens with Leerin. I really wonder if the feelings are one sided.

TrueKnight
2009-05-05, 20:52
So I was lurking on tosho……Then suddenly saw an Ayako subripped .ass along with this comment,

The last one I'll do, won't be watching any more of this show I'm afraid. Probably wiser to wait for Taka for those that still do.

What does this mean? Please don’t tell me its what I think it is. >_<;

encia
2009-05-05, 21:44
It's a way too early to say that. Even with Leerin Layfon has zero romantical connections. She's just currently on the winning side.
About the scene at ep 12.
deflecting flying balls with Nen-I petals(or even moving them with psychokinetic power) far from fighting potential.

EP11 shows Felli 's sharpen Nen-I petals attacks. The results are the same as Nina’s attacks i.e. defeating an opponent.

In EP07, shows several pink glowing dots (I assumed to be Felli's Nen-I petals) causing several large explosions thus pinning the FM under large rocks. The trigger for pink petal's explosions is done by Sharnid's single shot.

EP11 also shows Felli's ability to break through reinforced bunker i.e. includes explosives effects. I assume it’s the same as EP07's explosives Nen-I petals, but done on a smaller scale.

Archmagination2002
2009-05-05, 21:58
nevermind, I was thinking of something else.

thundrakkon
2009-05-05, 22:05
So I was lurking on tosho……Then suddenly saw an Ayako subripped .ass along with this comment,



What does this mean? Please don’t tell me its what I think it is. >_<;

From what I can interpret, the person that is ripping the subs from Ayako's episode will no longer rip those subs from Ayako's episode. He seems to indicate that we should wait for Taka's version if we want higher quality. There are no indications that Ayako has stopped subbing this series.

cynicalicious
2009-05-05, 23:05
Not to mention she knows what its like to be used by her brother.

And I am pro Meichi right now. Will have to wait to see what happens with Leerin. I really wonder if the feelings are one sided.

Yeah, there's that too. Felli is really sensitive about being used as a weapon, and she sees Fon-Fon being used as a weapon over and over. When you're that powerful, as Fon-Fon has said before, you have to stop thinking of yourself as a human. He's more of a small tactical nuke. Felli isn't quite at that level, but she's looked at in the same way by others, as a strategic armament that no army should be without, and even moreso because of her off-the-chart nen-i abilities.

So when people look at you that way for most of your life, well... you don't necessarily grow up "well-adjusted." lol. Which is why she's drawn to Fon-Fon, I think. Birds of a feather.

As for Fon-Fon, I really don't think he has feelings for any of the 3 girls in Zuellni past friendship/comradeship. Not to get too touchy-feely, but you can't hate yourself as much as he hates himself and be able to fall in love with someone else.

Leerin is different, partly because she's his foster sister (the old dude with the mustache is their foster father, if you haven't been paying attention, btw) and partly because they've been together ever since they were little kids. I don't know how you define their relationship.

I do think that anyone worrying about their "girl" winning the race anytime soon is in for a big disappointment. :D

monir
2009-05-05, 23:53
So I was lurking on tosho……Then suddenly saw an Ayako subripped .ass along with this comment,



What does this mean? Please don’t tell me its what I think it is. >_<;
The translator probably has other priorities that need more attention. Even as a hobby, translating is real work and can be time consuming. I'm sure someone else will pick up the slack in no time. Regios seems popular enough judging by the average number of downloaders each week.

can someone clarify who are the main protagonists of chrome shelled regios?
are they really layfon and nina? should be right?
In most series, especially in shounen series, there is only one protagonist to whom the story revolves around. It is very rare to see a series to have more than one protagonist, in fact. Regios is no exception. Layfon is its main protagonist. Everyone else fills in the supporting role. Some of the supporting cast has bigger, expanded roles than others at a certain point of a series. While their role do overshadows the importance of other characters in a series, these characters are still assuming the secondary role to the protagonist of story. Nina, Felli are the two such example.

ipernorris
2009-05-06, 03:06
So I was lurking on tosho……Then suddenly saw an Ayako subripped .ass along with this comment,



What does this mean? Please don’t tell me its what I think it is. >_<;
What a loss... :heh:
Ayako is the only group to my knowledge that kept subbing crappy SD episodes when there were HD versions avaiable. Not to mention the tone of that "announcement"... it seems like watching Regios is some kind of a waste of time.
Why did you sub 17 episodes then? LOL! :rolleyes:
There is SubRipper and Taka which are actively subbing this anime, so there won't be any problems at all! :cool:

Miles Teg
2009-05-06, 04:55
This "announcement" has nothing to do with Ayako, but was done by the one who rip the sub from the fansub done by Ayako.

Name of the file : [Ayako]​_Regios​_-​_17​_-​_[Subripped].​ass

Ayako do crappy SD because the only raw available when they released are crappy one :heh: And without Ayako we will be waiting for episode 13 to be released :D

PS : SubRipper use the sub from Ayako ;)

Deathkillz
2009-05-06, 06:47
Methinks this is one way to get Nina pumped up without having to resort to drugs :rolleyes:
She had always wanted more strength and this is one excuse to give her a major powerup without having to resort to something forced, or worse.

ipernorris
2009-05-06, 07:26
Ayako do crappy SD because the only raw available when they released are crappy one :heh: And without Ayako we will be waiting for episode 13 to be released :D

PS : SubRipper use the sub from Ayako ;)
Too bad it isn't true... the HD version is avaiable as soon as the SD one: sometimes it's avaiable even faster! :heh:

DragoZERO
2009-05-06, 07:40
He's more of a small tactical nuke. haha.. that's a good one.

Too bad it isn't true... the HD version is avaiable as soon as the SD one: sometimes it's avaiable even faster! :heh:If that is in fact true it presents the question of "Why does Ayako use the crappy SD?" again. And its not just the resolution, the codecs used are inferior as well. I'll just wait (who knows how long) til they release all of their HQ versions to recommend this series to my friends and re-watch it.

Von Himmel
2009-05-06, 07:42
The subripped is for someone who can't wait for a HD version sub, I think ^^;
But I never download it because I'm fine with SD. . and not to mention, my harddisk size is at it's limit >_>

btw, correct me if I'm wrong. .but are there still no preview pics for the next episode ?

Miles Teg
2009-05-06, 08:01
Too bad it isn't true... the HD version is avaiable as soon as the SD one: sometimes it's avaiable even faster! :heh:

The first channel who air the show in HD is tv-aichi who will air episode 17 today, TVK raw are always crappy it's nothing new :heh:

That was a comment by Ayako for episode 1 :

Regios - Chrome Shelled Regios - 01 - Wow with 100% shitty TVK-TV-J raw. HQ follows in ~4d

And I will stop here because it's off topic.

ipernorris
2009-05-06, 10:08
The first channel who air the show in HD is tv-aichi who will air episode 17 today, TVK raw are always crappy it's nothing new :heh:

That was a comment by Ayako for episode 1 :



And I will stop here because it's off topic.
Stop writing false things, dude.
If you make a quick search for episode 17 raw, for example, in the usual place the first version was published on May 2 2009 21:00 GMT. It's a 960x540 version, not properly an HD version, but better than the 704x396 version, published on May 3 2009 03:56 GMT.
The subbed version has a 704x400 resolution and was published on May 4 2009 03:17 GMT. What a coincidence! :heh:
So Ayako uses low resolution versions ON PURPOSE, not because it's the first version coming out. They can do whatever they like, of course, but saying they sub SD versions because they're the first ones coming out it's bullshit.

aesthetic
2009-05-06, 10:33
something bothers me..what does that ram-like thing do? is it like a wierd-electronic-fairy-heaven's-blade-giving-animal-thingy?

well.. i still think Fon-fon is damn hella stronger than what Nina will ever be..

TrueKnight
2009-05-06, 11:26
From what I can interpret, the person that is ripping the subs from Ayako's episode will no longer rip those subs from Ayako's episode. He seems to indicate that we should wait for Taka's version if we want higher quality. There are no indications that Ayako has stopped subbing this series.

This "announcement" has nothing to do with Ayako, but was done by the one who rip the sub from the fansub done by Ayako.

Name of the file : [Ayako]_Regios_-_17_-_[Subripped].ass

Ayako do crappy SD because the only raw available when they released are crappy one :heh: And without Ayako we will be waiting for episode 13 to be released :D

PS : SubRipper use the sub from Ayako 


Thanks for the head ups dudes. I guess I was being overly paranoid…..and uh… I’m one of those people who regularly check for an Ayako sub release after the show aired. >_>; I appreciated the wonderful dudes for willing to spare their time and bringing us Regios regularly every week. But hey to each on his/her own I guess.

Anyway,

Ep 18 previews and pics galore,



- Nina and the Haikizoku with some yuri moments of Nina x Zuellni;
- seems like we’ll be having Filth Monster attacks again;
- Nina pursued by mysterious masked dudes appeared from previous eps, most likely they’re after the Haikizoku inside Nina;
- Nina meeting Leerin;
- Savaris kicking ass?
- Kallian assembling Zuellni’s soldiers to prepare a defence against the FMs attacks. Vance, 17th platoon, Gorneo and Shante are among them;
- Kallian scolding Layfon?
- The Salinvans up to something again;
- development of Fonfon x Felli heh (Felli confessing?) >.>;




http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8816.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8817.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8818.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8820.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8821.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8822.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8823.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8824.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8819.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8825.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8824.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8819.jpg


Mixed pic with some are courtesy of zibi88,


http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/01.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/02.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/03.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/04.jpg
http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/06.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/07.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/11.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/12.jpg
http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/13.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/14.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/15.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/16.jpg
http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/17.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/18.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/19.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/20.jpg
http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090503_re_06.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/21.jpg


The Felli x Fonfon scene,


http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090503_re_10.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/24.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090503_re_11.jpg http://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/18/25.jpg





So there.

ipernorris
2009-05-06, 11:50
Thanks TrueKnight... you're the true knight of Regios! :D

Von Himmel
2009-05-06, 12:41
^
Agreed with that :) lol
anyway, this
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/8819.jpg
This one scares the heck out of me o.o;
But hey, at least she'll get her moments in this episode. . wonder what she's talking about to Layfon. .
Anyway, next episode looks intresting.

satomianzaki
2009-05-06, 13:24
wow felli confessing to layfon??!!

i think its not a good time for felli to confess her romantic feelings to layfon when obviously, he's really worried about the disappearance of nina and that zuellini is under the so called
"state of emergency"...wouldn't that make felli look like a bit of a selfish character?
well, that's only my opinion anyways, so no hard feelings felli fans...hehe...

but i do agree that the next episode will really be cool..
can't really wait to watch the next ep...

DeadlySoldier37
2009-05-06, 16:09
Well I know I'm a little bit late, gut finally had time to watch the episode. I have been busy with final exams, projects, but thankfully the semester is about to be over and I'm going to have a nice break and will be able to catch up to some of the shows.

This was another great episode we get to see Layfon's power and just really how strong he really is. I liked the fact that he took out six filth monsters with no help and Haia and his group of flunkies took out the other six. Layfon out shined the Salinvan. Looking forward for next episode we get to see more of Leerin. I hope she gets to see Layfon soon.

Sinestra
2009-05-06, 16:27
I was actually surprised that it picked Nina on such short notice till i thought about her personality. She has good intentions with wanting to protect everyone and her desire to get stronger is based on that the feeling to protect is a powerful emotion so after i thought about that i see why she was chosen. This was also a good way to boost her powers because the way things were going she was not going to power up anytime soon.

I loved episode mainly for what Layfon did. The essence of teamwork was displayed beautifully during this episode and i think the entire squad and Shana learned a lesson while watching the fight. Layfon told them not to watch him but to watch the others by working as a close nit team like special forces they were able to take down several filth bugs and none of them are as powerful as Layfon but together they are a deadly force. I think even Felli felt it while watching and it was awsome how totally butted in and use that guys powers to talk to Layfon then booted him out of the conversation LMAO. I think this was a lesson that the squad really needed to learn.

I am really curious to see what happens to Nina and what happens between Felli and Layfon.

I rated this a 9 it was a great episode but just was not 10 quality.

aesthetic
2009-05-06, 18:23
what does that ram-like-goatish-thing do?

DragoZERO
2009-05-06, 18:56
what does that ram-like-goatish-thing do?
Cause a ton of trouble for everyone. :heh:

blewin
2009-05-06, 20:29
Cause a ton of trouble for everyone. :heh:

I wonder whether the goat can die....? Physical weapons can't hurt it, then what can?

DragoZERO
2009-05-06, 20:50
I wonder whether the goat can die....? Physical weapons can't hurt it, then what can?
My guess would be another Haikuzuko (sp?) or a Fairy like Zuellni.

aesthetic
2009-05-07, 05:46
My guess would be another Haikuzuko (sp?) or a Fairy like Zuellni.

oooh.. i thought it's like a weird weapon spirit thing.

willyvereb
2009-05-07, 05:56
or a conceptual weapon...oops wrong unniverse:)
To be serious...probably large amount of Kei do the trick(for example an External Flow Kei Burst[EFKB in short. Probably other meaning: Eneroumus Fairy Killing Beam])

But i think the Haikizokous are too usefull to actually someone thinking about killing it.
Think about Nina's possession again:
Kinda ironic that Nina who holded a small grudge against that city they lost against actually founds it in ruins and on the top of that possessed by the guardian spirit of that city.

TrueKnight
2009-05-07, 12:19
Thanks TrueKnight... you're the true knight of Regios

Lol nah dude, the knights and heroes of Regios actually are all of us fans and audiences.

I liked the fact that he took out six filth monsters with no help and Haia and his group of flunkies took out the other six. Layfon out shined the Salinvan. Looking forward for next episode we get to see more of Leerin. I hope she gets to see Layfon soon. Layfon out shined the Salinvan.

Well you gotta give credit to the Salinvans for their tactical and combat display. It shows that you don’t need to be an HB in order to rule the battlefield but rather just manage your group properly, think strategically, train, cooperate, utilize and make use of your personnel efficiently according to their roles (attacker, support, bait, long-range etc) and of course combined with experience, finally you’ll have an effective anti-FM force, like the Salinvans. That’s what Layfon want his squad to learn. It’ll probably take a long time for the squad getting there but at least it’s a start lol.

Layfon told them not to watch him but to watch the others by working as a close nit team like special forces they were able to take down several filth bugs and none of them are as powerful as Layfon but together they are a deadly force.

Yeah I agree. The Salinvans deserve more justice and love. I mean Fermaus looks awesome and his voice is vader.

blewin
2009-05-08, 02:43
or a conceptual weapon...oops wrong unniverse:)
To be serious...probably large amount of Kei do the trick(for example an External Flow Kei Burst[EFKB in short. Probably other meaning: Eneroumus Fairy Killing Beam])


not sure.... since they fight by running their Kei through their weapons. How would shooting pure Kei out be any different?

Well you gotta give credit to the Salinvans for their tactical and combat display. It shows that you don’t need to be an HB in order to rule the battlefield but rather just manage your group properly

great to see people cooperating in a fight. I wish they could give more screen time to it and show more on how they fight as a team.

from novel source, apparently this is the way that cities fight. Layfon fighting alone earlier is Grendan's way of fighting, which is highly unusual.

zibi88
2009-05-08, 03:02
from novel source, apparently this is the way that cities fight. Layfon fighting alone earlier is Grendan's way of fighting, which is highly unusual.

well Layfon is/was a HB so their kei and abilities are huge so they can fight like idiots alone.... even queen in ep1 in that first training sesion with mature form said that if he is a HB he should be able to fight by himself....

Well Layfon said himself that he was allways fighting alone.... and so his teamwork abilities are weak becouse of that :P that's why Layfons rather wants them to learn how to work as a team and not fight alone since even weaker people can than stand a chance against monsters....

Von Himmel
2009-05-08, 06:51
not sure.... since they fight by running their Kei through their weapons. How would shooting pure Kei out be any different?
Just a guess though, it probably because running their kei through their weapons mean that the weapon is strengthened by it, but in the end. . it's still just a weapon. While a pure kei is probably like a cluster of energy.

If you put it like gun, the kei is the force that push the bullet to shoot the target. The bullet is the weapon that was strengthened by Kei. While in the other hand, what would happen if you put the force through the target and not the bullet ? I think the concept of Kei is something like that. . :(

But of course, the amount of the force should not be the same as the amount of shooting bullet. The force should have the amount of energy that can knockback/kill the target. This absurd amount of force that cannot be easily reproduced in the reality. . as an analogy, might also explain why people use weapon with Kei to strengthened them. Because it's more easy to control and more fit to destroy the target.

willyvereb
2009-05-08, 07:40
And why so exhausting and slow an Externar Flow Kei Burst attacks(other than the rule of cool)

ThoHell
2009-05-08, 19:03
I stopped watching this series around ep. 10 but just watched the most recent episodes. Fon-fon hasn't grown one bit and my dislike for him is just completely off the charts now, no matter how strong he is. He hasn't changed or anything, still the same idiotic character since the beginning. Student President is hated by me even more now as well. Man this series is filled with moronic annoying characters.

Don't tell me that dman ram is going to give Nina a power boost or some mumbo jumbo like that. In the preview of 18, does it look like the president is picking a fight with Fon-fon who can annihilate him with a flick?

ipernorris
2009-05-09, 00:01
Man this series is filled with moronic annoying characters.

If you think so why in the hell are you here? Ignore the show and go on, it's not like we care about your whinings even a bit... :rolleyes:

zed21
2009-05-09, 09:55
I stopped watching this series around ep. 10 but just watched the most recent episodes. Fon-fon hasn't grown one bit and my dislike for him is just completely off the charts now, no matter how strong he is. He hasn't changed or anything, still the same idiotic character since the beginning. Student President is hated by me even more now as well. Man this series is filled with moronic annoying characters.


A little bit over the top here. There are quite a bit of development for Layfon up until now including having something to fight for, willing to show others how to fight as a team by showing his team mates the battle here and being able to socialise a bit more as during the time he was in grendan, it is shown quite obviously that other than leerin, he doesn't have anyone else he can call a friend. He has changed though a little bit harder to see than others.


Sorry for going too far of topic, this is a good episode nontheless.

TrueKnight
2009-05-09, 10:14
*wondering where's the thread for ep 18*

I think it's time already...

blewin
2009-05-09, 18:49
A little bit over the top here. There are quite a bit of development for Layfon up until now including having something to fight for, willing to show others how to fight as a team by showing his team mates the battle here and being able to socialise a bit more as during the time he was in grendan, it is shown quite obviously that other than leerin, he doesn't have anyone else he can call a friend. He has changed though a little bit harder to see than others.


Sorry for going too far of topic, this is a good episode nontheless.

good point, but Layfon's character development probably isn't as deeply and better depicted as in the novels. *internal world wins!*

yay, ep 18 is out. Raw anyway?...

zed21
2009-05-09, 19:33
good point, but Layfon's character development probably isn't as deeply and better depicted as in the novels. *internal world wins!*

yay, ep 18 is out. Raw anyway?...

That is very true, same could be said of most other animes that the sources material (e.g. novel or manga) will have better development, this is no exception.