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monir
2009-05-16, 00:42
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Dam Dog
2009-05-16, 00:54
I predict that in this episode:

Felli snaps after being rejected by Fonfon. She heads to the city's gardening supply shed, grabs a machete and goes on a rampage, murdering or driving the other girls mad with her powers.
(If she can channel voices why couldn't she channel, say, easy listening muzak?)

Having accomplished that she and her brother engage in an epic duel in the cities
reactor. Kallian gets cut in half and falls to his death. Although being cut in half might have killed him from the shock, falling to his death is more dramatic.

Fonfon finally corners her on top of the student council building, where he fights her with his new baseball bat dite. After coming to a standstill as he doesn't wish to hurt her, he finally brings Felli back to sanity with an awesome speech. Oh, and the student council building is soaked in gasoline and Felli's rigged a lighter to a timer to blow up half the city.

They then live happily ever after.

Except the ones who are dead.

:heh:

monir
2009-05-16, 01:00
The dead doesn't count. I'll pay to see that script in motion. Let me know if you need to hire an agent in the near future.

Dam Dog
2009-05-16, 01:14
The dead doesn't count. I'll pay to see that script in motion. Let me know if you need to hire an agent in the near future.

I plan to send it in to the director :D

TrueKnight
2009-05-16, 01:41
Felli snaps after being rejected by Fonfon. She heads to the city's gardening supply shed, grabs a machete and goes on a rampage, murdering or driving the other girls mad with her powers.
(If she can channel voices why couldn't she channel, say, easy listening muzak?)

Having accomplished that she and her brother engage in an epic duel in the cities
reactor. Kallian gets cut in half and falls to his death. Although being cut in half might have killed him from the shock, falling to his death is more dramatic.

Fonfon finally corners her on top of the student council building, where he fights her with his new baseball bat dite. After coming to a standstill as he doesn't wish to hurt her, he finally brings Felli back to sanity with an awesome speech. Oh, and the student council building is soaked in gasoline and Felli's rigged a lighter to a timer to blow up half the city.

They then live happily ever after.

Except the ones who are dead.

Rofl this really made my day and I also willing pay to see this in motion picture.

Anyways repost of Ep 19 preview pics,

Savaris looks wicked and seems gonna pwn hard. Dixerio saving Nina’s ass and the guard guy capturing Leerin. Zuellni’s platoons kicking FMs asses with Kallian commanding. Fon-fon still emo while recovering with Felli babysitting him.
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0508_regios01.jpg http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0508_regios02.jpg http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0508_regios03.jpg http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0508_regios04.jpg http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0508_regios05.jpg FM’s rumble and connection between Nina, Dixerio and the engrish flashbacks? http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC1900040147.jpg http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC1900036585.jpg

Courtesy of zibi88

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5223/zxcvz.jpg


Around 10 hours from now wohoo.

hope assasin
2009-05-16, 02:03
and one that i don't saw hearhttp://www.tvk-yokohama.com/regios/image/intro/news/19/17.jpg
how quite))))

willyvereb
2009-05-16, 02:18
So the CSP guy realy is with Ignus. Probably to Ignus the original Electronic Fairy values a lot. I hope i don't have to wit another week for the Savaris vs Dixerio fight)

TrueKnight
2009-05-16, 12:14
Wonder where's Renegade and his usual wisdom? >_>

Renegade334
2009-05-16, 12:31
Well...there's this little thing called real life. Which sometimes tries to mess up with you whenever it feels like it - and to date, from what I know, nobody ever managed to conjure an antidote, a vaccine or a suitable counterweight against this...'nuisance'. Especially when it takes the form of a tech-unsavvy friend's PC that demands some serious maintenance AND time from yours truly.


Aside from that, here's the usual mumbo-jumbo, though somewhat belated it might be:

Koukaku no Regios episode 19 (tentative)
~Removed~GUIDELINES / RULES:
- Do NOT spread the 2chan link.
- If you want to quote my post, then please ERASE THE URL.
- If you want to (re)post screenshots from 2chan, then reload them on Imageshack and kindly supply the new links. In other words, do NOT hotlink. Why? It's simple: when the short-lived 2chan threads get junked along with their contents (aka screencaps), the broken urls automatically lead the user to a pageful of adult advertisements, a category of content outlawed by Animesuki's policy on inappropriate material.

Forewarning:
I'll erase the URL in a few hours (at least until the first raw or blog entry appears you-know-where) so, if you want to visit the page later on, save my link somewhere (in your bookmarks or notepad...whatever) while it's still up.


...Now, back to work.

EDIT: removed the 2chan link due to raw's appearance. Go watch it instead.

TrueKnight
2009-05-16, 12:34
Alright then Nina fans, you guys got your wish,



Edit:
Especially when it takes the form of a tech-unsavvy friend's PC that demands some serious maintenance AND time from yours truly.

Dang must've been hard. Either way thanks for conjuring us the site pic each week. >_>

satomianzaki
2009-05-16, 12:44
now that was sweet... :)

black_cat1
2009-05-16, 13:10
Raw is so late ._.

And why Nina? Why it must be her after all, where is my Leerin TT_TT

ricaryx
2009-05-16, 13:17
Alright then Nina fans, you guys got your wish,



Eeeee!:hyper-^v^:

To remain skeptic that's probably just a dream sequence. Sharnid's dream sequence. Yes that's it! It didn't happen for real. Or it's just a fanart.I just exposed my flag but it don't matter now. I wish the RAW rears its ugly head soon.

zibi88
2009-05-16, 13:19
Raw is so late ._.

And why Nina? Why it must be her after all, where is my Leerin TT_TT

you will have to wait few episodes for that :P

But well I hope that this spirit girl wont make Leerin disapper (I mean her personality little by little disapperaring or something...).... anyway the queen does seems to feel presence of that black-girl and mostly after that she will decide to go into Leerins dirrection..... hope she will not forcefully capture her and take away.... I would rather preffer Leerin objective to go back to Grendan if Layfon wont be allowed to go with her :P (Leerin threatening the queen :P since Layfon is #1 for Leerin and her travel was becouse she wanted to be with him ^^)

And well that Nina scene is kidna off.... is she now able to fly or something.... yeah Nina disapeared and pushed Layfon into mental pain and blameing himself for everything.... and here she apperas like nothing and all is OK for him.... personaly on his place I wouldnt forgive her so fast for that :P

TrueKnight
2009-05-16, 13:34
yeah Nina disapeared and pushed Layfon into mental pain and blameing himself for everything.... and here she apperas like nothing and all is OK for him.... personaly on his place I wouldnt forgive her so fast for that :P

Well, duh. He thought she’s gone because its his fault for suggesting her to check on Zuellni back then. It’s only natural when he’s relieved seeing Nina’s in fine condition after all that fiasco. And it’s not that you can put all the blame to Nina getting teleported to nowhere land when it’s the crazy goat that’s been causing the entire ruckus in the first place.

Master Assassin
2009-05-16, 13:42
Alright then Nina fans, you guys got your wish,




H-H-Holy-----

satomianzaki
2009-05-16, 13:56
i think nina was teleported back or something...but by whom? we have to wait for the raw to come out...

though i support nina, the scene between her and layfon is not an assurance that there is something romantic going on between them...or is going to happen...well, maybe not just yet...maybe layfon is just relieved that his captain is back...and is safe...

but i have to admit that nina's disappearance and layfon panicking about it, have only strenghtened their bond and improved their understanding of each other more...

:)

hellraiser85
2009-05-16, 13:56
Alright then Nina fans, you guys got your wish,




Yay! nina is taking the lead eheh

ricaryx
2009-05-16, 14:11
but i have to admit that nina's disappearance and layfon panicking about it, have only strenghtened their bond and improved their understanding of each other more...

:)

:meh:

Why do you think I'm screaming in glee?

Manji Midou
2009-05-16, 14:41
that scene between those two would had been more awesome if that useless loli saw them.

TrueKnight
2009-05-16, 15:09
raws out, folks. :)

blitz1/2
2009-05-16, 15:21
Too much Nina for my liking, damn.

giorno
2009-05-16, 15:56
they better not have transformed the savaris vs dixerio fight into THAT >____<

well, we finally get some insight into what should be the main plot

also good to see dixerio and savaris, they kick ass in a much more manly way than reyfon :D

overall a nice episode...of course, only if we're going to get the real dixerio/savaris next episode...if not, it's the worst episode ever :D

Manji Midou
2009-05-16, 16:16
finally saw the raw....good episode indeed!

omg, the queens habits have rubbed on leerin nooo!!! :heh:
omg such a goddam strong emotional reunion....l wonder if leerin's reunion can top ninaxlayfon's reunion.....
both of them screaming in joy as they see each other then the nice embrace....omg it seemed like they where going to smooch...and the best part?.....the small little thing of fellis floating past them....bwahahaha awesome....OWNED little fellis OWNED!!!!!!!!!

zibi88
2009-05-16, 16:29
Man WHY Nina has allways destroy the good parts.... WHY !?.......I mean we havent seen any good Layfon vs monsters fights in a while.... here was little intersting big canon... others fighting... Layfon riding on bike.... and the only reason for him to go there is to go to nina......... fuck why she allways has to destroy that kind of moments.... couldnt she wait for return till the fight is over... yet hundreds of monsters are there and he doesnt care becouse he must go to where that light is >__< (this moment pissed me off)

And it seems that the queen cares more about that "Saya" than Leerin herself... first words of the queen are "saya" and she is not worried about Leerin at all....

I personaly hope that that girl "saya" wont posses Leerin for good.... like takeing her place forever (eroding her memories & personality and takeing her place).... since Leerin is confused herself along that eye has to hurt her too...

TrueKnight
2009-05-16, 16:33
Well totally agree that overall this is a good episode. But man oh man Savaris is surely a fucking sadist, like a male version of Lucy from Elfen Lied but totally badass when he's doing it. Loved the interaction between Nina and Leerin and yeah Nina seems to like Layfon....alot. >_>;

Either way awesome fight scenes between Zuellni's army vs the FMs though quite short and rather cheap when Layfon went lone ranger and enter the battlefield. Nina learn dimension traveling from Dixerio. But the highlight of the ep is definitely Nina x Layfon part where 2 emo ppl yelling each other's name and finally hugging each other. The female appears from the sky falling while the guy is busy massacring bugs in the ground before finally spotted the girl and grabs her.

Cheesy screen time but still good nevertheless. This episode is really Layfon x Nina.

Edit:
fuck why she allways has to destroy that kind of moments.... couldnt she wait for return till the fight is over... yet hundreds of monsters are there and he doesnt care becouse he must go to where that light is >__< (this moment pissed me off)

LOL made me wonder too. Hundreds of fms still alive and kicking at the ground but our dumb hero choose to go and spend the time with Nina in their own little dreamworld. Fricking hilarious. But knowing Layfon probably after he knows Nina’s safe and sound he’ll be fresh and get his spirit back up again and afterwards went butchering the bugs like no tomorrow.

Dominic Night
2009-05-16, 16:52
It was a good episode.


The final part where Layfon went to Nina in mid air, makes me think of the final eps in other anime's where the hero and heroine reunites. ^^

I think they should've extended the laugh in the bloody rain scene.

zibi88
2009-05-16, 16:53
That will only last till Leerin doesnt come to Zerenii :P since the biggest rival is on her way ^^ anwyay Nina should thank Leerin for saveing her life (she would be crushed by the haikizoku yet she released some power of that Saya girl to save nina)

So I hope in next episodes more LeerinxLayfon scenes.... well Nina is important for Layfon as a object of wanting to fight since no orhapanage in sight....but when Leerin comes he will be very happy too ^^ (I hope that leerin will again hug him and kiss :P.... screw nina since she knows layfon only few months and leerin knows him more than 10 years XD ,and its thx to Leerin that layfon is in Zerenii [she helped him to pass the exams] )

So if Leerin comes to Zerenii Nina wont be so cheerfull with haveing Layfon for herself anymore XD now she doesnt have any strong rivals......... so next episodes will be about the city maya approching zerenii.... (that time leerin will come to zerenii...hope she will not forget the dite box ^^)

And yeah Savaris is sadistic but well that guy attacked Leerin (and it was his mission to protect leerin from harm)... and was scared of FM... and that could lead to turning himself into FM....... anyway I wonder what was with that fox mask.... are people allowed to put that mask whenever they want... or was he in the ignasis side from the beggining and that is the proof of it....

willyvereb
2009-05-16, 17:21
Now they're heading towards a Nina ending? Just because that scene was more romanitc in some way than the Leerin kiss scene at the beginning.

Nanaya
2009-05-16, 17:28
I don't know. I feel bad for Felli fans...

Fevvers
2009-05-16, 18:00
Alright then Nina fans, you guys got your wish,

http://dec.2chan.net:81/18/src/1242491049625.jpg
http://dec.2chan.net:81/18/src/1242491021447.jpg



Honestly, I'd be hardpressed to doubt that the anime staff (and the author too if this is how it happened in the novel) are a bunch of Layfon/Nina shippers which makes me a happy kid indeed! That scene looks more mutually romantic than Layfon and Leerin's kissing scene, and obviously anything between Layfon and Felli. Oh, my, my. :heh:

Ultramarinus
2009-05-16, 18:06
finally saw the raw....good episode indeed!

omg, the queens habits have rubbed on leerin nooo!!! :heh:
omg such a goddam strong emotional reunion....l wonder if leerin's reunion can top ninaxlayfon's reunion.....
both of them screaming in joy as they see each other then the nice embrace....omg it seemed like they where going to smooch...and the best part?.....the small little thing of fellis floating past them....bwahahaha awesome....OWNED little fellis OWNED!!!!!!!!!
If that's for real, I may check out the raw for just that. :p

Hah, I did and it was pretty satisfying!

Bonta Kun
2009-05-16, 20:59
well that was something I guess, first off Savaris is totally bad ass.
Leerin just keeps getting better and better over these recent eps, really loving her.
NinaXFonfon reunion was something, nice is what I would call it.

Now something I don't get is how Zue had trouble with the army of baby FM before yet somehow put up a fight with what I can only guess were some mature ones this ep. The flying ones are supposed to be the most dangerous ones. I can somewhat accept that they might have gone through some hellish training and the fact Haia is there but even so. That time before they completely and utterly faltered, hard to beleive they have come so far since then.

well apart from all that I over the moon at the fact that the Queen goes to bed stark naked!!!:love::love::love::naughty::naughty::naugh ty:

...somehow that was my fav part in the entire ep.....time for a cold shower:D

Tatiana Razajev
2009-05-16, 21:27
As far as I can tell based on the initial watch, the episode was pretty good over all. I'm going to give Nina a huge portion of the credit for that. As she had moments of awesome. A bit credit goes to Leerin as well. I guess maybe others as well, but I only really feel like mentioning those two.

In any case, the episode helped to greatly improve my opinion on Nina. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I disliked. It was more your classic scenario where a given character finally gets a chance to truly shine. Or something along those lines.

Master Assassin
2009-05-16, 21:35
... It seems... it seems...

... Leerin somehow picked up the queen's bad habit of "measuring bust sizes".... :heh:

"120 points!"

I immediately facepalmed.

slayer545-sama
2009-05-16, 22:23
My problem is the fan service. It's getting annoying. The queen boobs look like they are inflated moreover Nina has too much of a main role so much as her and Layfon look they will fall in love. Moreover Leery is clueless about Nina even though she peaked in her mind. I will do some review soon about the rest.

... It seems... it seems...

... Leerin somehow picked up the queen's bad habit of "measuring bust sizes".... :heh:

"120 points!"

I immediately facepalmed.
Like I said stupid service for nothing. It was more to show she is being like queen more and more.

Dam Dog
2009-05-16, 23:18
I think the Queen's massive boobs are more of a means of indicating age, since it's very difficult to make somebody appear middle aged in anime, especially with Regios' art style.
Bigger boobs = Older.
Tends to pop up a lot, although it's by no means universal.

Arkard
2009-05-16, 23:35
Leerin has now learned how to "size up her rivals" from the queen. :heh:

Von Himmel
2009-05-17, 00:38
They're. . .They're exaggerating it ;_;
Even as a fans, I can't say anything more :(

As usual, I need to wait for the subs to comment more. Not like I like to comment much, lol
And it seems that the queen cares more about that "Saya" than Leerin herself... first words of the queen are "saya" and she is not worried about Leerin at all...
Hm. . Looking at the developments, my speculation is thatthe queen might take noticed at Leerin at the end. And uh, I don't think the queen is really that 'cruel' against Leerin.

I think she had developed a softer side towards 'Leerin' as well. . by groping her breast :D

satomianzaki
2009-05-17, 00:58
Hm. . Looking at the developments, my speculation is thatthe queen might take noticed at Leerin at the end. And uh, I don't think the queen is really that 'cruel' against Leerin.

I think she had developed a softer side towards 'Leerin' as well. . by groping her breast :D

hehehe, now that you mentioned about it, maybe the Queen is the reincarnacion of that guy in the Legend...she's concerned with Saya and at the same time likes to grope breasts...funny... :)

Mei19
2009-05-17, 01:07
lmfao XD Layfon screamed like a girl. I don't believe this.

Let me recap the highlight of this episode:

Layfon: EEEE CAP'NNNNN! *huuug*
Nina: My adorable little kouhaiiii. Dammit I'm baaack *huuug*

~Magical pink thing of love screenshot~

Felli: Confirmed. Nina Antalk is floating around in a pink thing with baka Layfon who took off his helmet to inhale the poisonous air outside. What will happen to them once they land?
Karian: Nina, your puppy is back to normal. But I'm still pouting. I think I'm jealous. of you.

Siscons ftw. But I still love Savaris in this episode the most. I know he didn't know that Myath officer assaulted Leerin. He picked on his wussy face out of the blue because Savaris is just badass that way. He just loves seeing people suffer. His laughter under the FM bloody rain was terribly cool but I didn't want to be next to him. Green blood is gross. But Dixerio, whenever I see him, it's like I'm playing Kingdom Hearts all over again. It feels as if the Nobody's will come and take him away.:nono: I like Dixerio with Nina but I doubt Nina will let her puppy go astray for Dixerio so tough luck.

Overall this episode is pretteh fun. XD

zibi88
2009-05-17, 01:31
But what is a little bit too much is that Nina went throught large metal walls like a ghost >__<.... and later she was flying in the air..... so she is now less of a human than Layfon....

So now its like.... you want to become strong ! than go and find your own city spirit to get it....

Anyway now I wonder what happened to Saya... I mean she was so bad ass yet she fall on the ground in that [Legend of regios clip] so she was not so strong like it should...... I kinda wonder how the anime will end now...

black_cat1
2009-05-17, 02:13
Dixero and Grendan have some soft of relationships with the flashback. The Queen know about Saya and Dixero have a bond with Face Man.

Savaris made my day, his evil side is soooo cool, crushed the mature FM with one hand and scared the shit out of that bastard!!. Too bad the fight scene between him and Dixero was short.

monir
2009-05-17, 02:37
LOL made me wonder too. Hundreds of fms still alive and kicking at the ground but our dumb hero choose to go and spend the time with Nina in their own little dreamworld. Fricking hilarious. But knowing Layfon probably after he knows Nina’s safe and sound he’ll be fresh and get his spirit back up again and afterwards went butchering the bugs like no tomorrow.
Well, fighting wasn't his objective here, was it? He was going to sit it out until that pink ball showed up on the sky. That's when Layfon was fired up. Also notice how he is going for the filth monster that are directly in-line to the course of his travel. The ones he killed were the ones that were on his path. He ignored everything else. Once he reached his destination, he catapulted to his taicho.

Man, that was embarrassing for such a manly man to cry out in such fashion, "TAICHOU!" The embrace was between a lost boy in the park who finally found his mother. The best thing about this embrace between the two was that Nina was the better "man." Hopefully, Layfon will redeem himself in the next episode by doing a Savaris on someone. He owes his fanboys.

I'm also now an official fanatic of Savaris. And a shipper of Nina x Leerin. :D

http://f.imagehost.org/t/0949/snapshot20090516184942.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0949/snapshot20090516184942)

I enjoyed this episode. Nina-fan in me squeed uncontrollably while Felli fan in me became introspective and somber. What a dilemma!

Btw, the mystery behind the collapse of that bridge... will it remain a mystery, or it's indeed the Haikizoku's fault? The show seems to be jumping all over the place with its storyline. I seem to be unable to follow it anymore, not that its affecting my enjoyment.

ipernorris
2009-05-17, 03:58
Btw, the mystery behind the collapse of that bridge... will it remain a mystery, or it's indeed the Haikizoku's fault? The show seems to be jumping all over the place with its storyline. I seem to be unable to follow it anymore, not that its affecting my enjoyment.
The birdge was the Haikizoku's fault, OF COURSE. He was jealus of Layfon, so he punished him for the flirt with Meicchi! :D
Anyway the plot is really jumping around like only a monkey can do: the casual viewer isn't understanding a shit about the overall plot. It's like wat happened with Trinity Blood.

magnuskn
2009-05-17, 06:20
I´d strongly object to that... Trinity Blood was quite more of a mess ( until the second part of the series, when it became really good for a while ).

This is progressing quite linearly so far, so I have no problem following the story. Even the Engrish bits are being incorporated by now.

And, bwah, poor Felli. :-/ I hope her having to suffer like this pays off for her in the end.

Redlar
2009-05-17, 07:19
Pretty good ep; we got a few more parts of the overall mystery revealed, but also a bunch of questions raised. Nina pretty much has her dream fulfilled now; she can travel to all the cities now, thanks to being a host to the Haikizoku. I just wonder whether or not the wolf-masks are actually villians, since she and Dixerio are in the aurora field that the inhuman monsters seem to come from. Savaris was cool; he's pretty much the badass of the series now, what with Layfon laid up and crippled for the past few eps and Haia unable to compare.

What happened with that Kei Cannon? There was a massive explosion of light, but the swarm shows up completely unhurt a few minutes later. Was it just a big firework designed to boost morale, or did the FM's get massive reinforcements in just a few moments?

Ah~The pain! Nina took away Layfon from Felli!!! That shot with Layfon and Nina was way, way, WAY too romantic. But the next episode looks pretty interesting for Felli fans, so who knows what's going to happen? Don't give up Felli!

TrueKnight
2009-05-17, 09:00
Just want to inform, subs out again by Ayako at a ridiculous pace. Kudos and thanks to them. :)

giorno
2009-05-17, 09:09
Anyway the plot is really jumping around like only a monkey can do: the casual viewer isn't understanding a shit about the overall plot. It's like wat happened with Trinity Blood.
well, duh, trinity blood is composed of 2 different "routes" one happening in the "past" and the current, main storyline...only in the anime they mixed the two and left it like that...with csr they're just reeeeeally rushing it, which isn't good either...

Jarppa
2009-05-17, 09:12
Nice ep. This is still best show for long long time. Hopefully novels will continue long time and we can see more seasons in future.

Deathkillz
2009-05-17, 09:23
Man, that was embarrassing for such a manly man to cry out in such fashion, "TAICHOU!" The embrace was between a lost boy in the park who finally found his mother.

"And nothing of value was lost" ;)


Anyway the plot is really jumping around like only a monkey can do: the casual viewer isn't understanding a shit about the overall plot. It's like wat happened with Trinity Blood.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. WTH just happened to this series a few episodes back =__=

The fact that I am paying attention to it and still don't know the plot anymore is just horrible.

TrueKnight
2009-05-17, 09:25
Man, that was embarrassing for such a manly man to cry out in such fashion, "TAICHOU!"

Yeah his squeaky voice didn’t help either. By all means not that I shun the scene, in fact I like how they portray their reunion moments but it’s still Goddamn cheesy and girly for my taste. And happy moments when I see Layfon x Nina finally happening was quickly over consumed with the thought of how Felli will deal about all this, resulting into despair. I like Nina and all but my already indoctrinated Fonfon x Felli mindset completely overtakes any rational judgments and possibilities Fonfon may have with other girls aside from Felli so….

*waves Fonfon x Felli flag desperately*

Btw, the mystery behind the collapse of that bridge... will it remain a mystery, or it's indeed the Haikizoku's fault? The show seems to be jumping all over the place with its storyline. I seem to be unable to follow it anymore, not that its affecting my enjoyment.

It’s mentioned by Kallian that the influence and menace of the Haikizoku affected Zuellni’s overall performance as a the city’s consciousness. Some of these effects were the disturbances in the city’s infrastructures like the water pipeline leakage, damaged roads, and finally the collapsed bridges. So the mystery were an indirect result caused by Goat-chan. They mention this back in epi 16..or was it 17?

Estaron
2009-05-17, 09:56
Things are just jumping around way too much...
The ep20 preview would be like ??? for many viewers I assume.
They're in a rush to animate as much of the novel story they can in the remaining 5 or so episodes...
But really... the pacing is... orz

Oh yes, one error on Ayako release:
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.31,0:05:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,S aya! Pick your foe!
This should have been
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.31,0:05:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Saya! Be careful!"
We are sorry for the inconvenience.

addict2anime
2009-05-17, 11:59
*Waves felli x fon fon flag with knight* i still have hope <3
This episode... was enjoyable... until the pink of light and the yellow stringies came into view <..< OVERALL SAPPINESS DOES NOT MAKE ME HAPPI unless its with Felli <3
Next episode is def gonna b interesting... but its making me wonder how many times Felli is gonna be kidnapped or captured in this series ._.

ipernorris
2009-05-17, 12:14
From what that two face man of the other episode said I guess all these monsters come from another dimension. It's like in "The Myst", the novel and the film! :heh:

Manji Midou
2009-05-17, 12:23
I personaly hope that that girl "saya" wont posses Leerin for good.... like takeing her place forever (eroding her memories & personality and takeing her place).... since Leerin is confused herself along that eye has to hurt her too...

lulz, l certainly hope not...
lmagine her slowly getting possessed then she will begin talking in that hideous english of saya's....poor layfon would be so confused :heh:
hehehe....
l love what they are doing to fellis, she has received back to back punches ep18 layfon rejecting her help and ep19 watching a overjoyed layfon embracing nina!
and the upcoming ep they will try to give her and her fans hope as layfon goes to save her useless ass...but after that will come the K'O punch, leerin's arrival, mmm yummy. :)

here's hoping shar hooks up with that chick as well....

zibi88
2009-05-17, 12:27
well just now on official anime page few pictures of next ep20 poped out ^^....

- nina cant tell others about her beign possesed by goat.... the same time she visits Din in his wheelchair
- at horizont the mayah city appears
- Leerin comes to Zerenii by bus (but no reunion with layfon for now [at least the picture didnt showed that]
- Layfon found a badge of squad17 which belongs to Felli (she got kidnapped by Haia )

Hope more pictures on other pages will pop out :P since usually each page says about different part of the episode ^^

magnuskn
2009-05-17, 12:39
lulz, l certainly hope not...
lmagine her slowly getting possessed then she will begin talking in that hideous english of saya's....poor layfon would be so confused :heh:
hehehe....
l love what they are doing to fellis, she has received back to back punches ep18 layfon rejecting her help and ep19 watching a overjoyed layfon embracing nina!
and the upcoming ep they will try to give her and her fans hope as layfon goes to save her useless ass...but after that will come the K'O punch, leerin's arrival, mmm yummy. :)

Do you even realize as how much of an annoying toerag you are coming across? Geeze...

Hentrus
2009-05-17, 13:22
OMG! Myath and Zuellni inter-city match! Looks like Felli gonna take teh lead, now SHE gets captured.And wut ever happened 2 mayshen?

*Waves fellixfon-fon flag with undying courage*

Foreshadow
2009-05-17, 13:23
Now now, I'm Sure its all in good humor.

Anyway Overall i liked this episode. Alot. I will now officially ship Leerin X Nina and leave Layfon in the dust :D. I wish the Battle between Savaris and .. That other guy who Nina was on the couch with.. Totally blew past me what the name was though, was longer. :P


Lovin' the Cat eared helmets, i want one

Jerseykid
2009-05-17, 13:36
Oh no, the seperate intermission thingy turns out to not be so seperate!

Manji Midou
2009-05-17, 13:38
hmm,... around 11:23 the dialogue here puzzles me...
leerin: lt's the same. your friend and the person who supports me, they're both the same.
because he wants to help everyone and have everyone stay happy, he tries hard.

0.o.
so apparently leerin knows the friend nina speaks of is layfon?
or am l just reading the conversation wrong?

Bonta Kun
2009-05-17, 14:09
hmm,... around 11:23 the dialogue here puzzles me...
leerin: lt's the same. your friend and the person who supports me, they're both the same.
because he wants to help everyone and have everyone stay happy, he tries hard.

0.o.
so apparently leerin knows the friend nina speaks of is layfon?
or am l just reading the conversation wrong?

I think its Leerin just understands about the friend Nina is talking about, in that they both have someone that supports them in such way, this person being the same, Fonfon.
Just gotta get your head around the fact Fonfons name is never brought up yet they are both talking about him yet don't know that each other is doing so.
You know how it is his name is not brought up for story's sake altho I don't think there is any real need to do either at this point but one would think one of them would say his name at some point.

Estaron
2009-05-17, 14:12
hmm,... around 11:23 the dialogue here puzzles me...
leerin: lt's the same. your friend and the person who supports me, they're both the same.
because he wants to help everyone and have everyone stay happy, he tries hard.

0.o.
so apparently leerin knows the friend nina speaks of is layfon?
or am l just reading the conversation wrong?
I think Nina might realize they are talking about the same person... and so her suprised look when she hears this comment.
Nina has read Leerin's letters to Layfon, and suspected her of being the same person she met in the previous ep.

zibi88
2009-05-17, 14:16
but what is kinda ironic is that Leerin said herself after her speach....

"your friend and the person who supported me, ther'are both the same" ;P

In reality it will turn out that she was damn right XD since that person is the same person xDxD

I wonder if Leerin will remember Nina's words.... that her friend got injured and collapsed :P will Leerin be worried about Layfon (after all he was the one that got uinjured and collapsed...)

Tjaard
2009-05-17, 14:19
Is so funny see all fans here that scream only because Layfon hug Nina and not Leerin or Felli, is really funny :D
However, really good epi this time, except the first part that was normal, Savaris is awesome and always more evil, and surely after this epi i prefer him than Dixerio, that is a cool chara but this time i found it pretty arrogant, with Savaris too, so i hope to see their fight one day.
Surely a centered Nina epi,, and this time they explain more things around the world of Regios, and we saw our goat-chan that now use Nina as a transport to find someone else to possess, but surely a good final meeting with Layfon at the end, that i found really good :D
So finally Layfon can relax a bit next time for recover his wounds ;)

willyvereb
2009-05-17, 14:29
Well...I forgot to mention that we've got some nice Nina action. Actually if they're rushed everything less i would be more happier. The whole episode needed to be extended to two. With the background info we know more about the whole military arts and everything else. The Kei users more like battlemages with very little controll over their powers.

Dam Dog
2009-05-17, 15:33
Man, that motorcycle scene was BADASS. Anybody can ride through a filth monsters, but it takes a REAL man to take that literally :D

Hm, so apparently Felli's getting kidnapped next episode. Should be interesting to see Layfon's reaction. Maybe Felli hugs are in store sometime in the next couple of eps ;)

More Saya as well. I'm finding myself wondering exactly how she's important to everything. She's obviously some kind of mutant, but why exactly is she in Leerin's head? Is she a ghost? Or is Leerin just a container for her?

Zwei
2009-05-17, 16:26
I heard Leerin is the queen's daughter, is it true?

Dam Dog
2009-05-17, 16:31
I heard Leerin is the queen's daughter, is it true?

It's been hinted at. I don't recall that they actually confirmed it in the anime yet. Maybe the LN, though.

alu546
2009-05-17, 16:44
NinaxLayfon, a pairing two episodes in the making.

In anycase I thought it was strange to have that scene IN THE MIDDLE OF A FULL SCALE BATTLE. But oh well.

Btw, Im still confused as to what the hecks going on, at this point im just watching it for what action I see.

Electronic Fairies? Mechaanicle Wombs? Filth Monsters? Polluted Air? Aurora Fields?

Someone tie that together and put it into a bow for me. A sense making bow.

Dam Dog
2009-05-17, 17:05
NinaxLayfon, a pairing two episodes in the making.

In anycase I thought it was strange to have that scene IN THE MIDDLE OF A FULL SCALE BATTLE. But oh well.

Btw, Im still confused as to what the hecks going on, at this point im just watching it for what action I see.

Electronic Fairies? Mechaanicle Wombs? Filth Monsters? Polluted Air? Aurora Fields?

Someone tie that together and put it into a bow for me. A sense making bow.

It's not nonsense, it's DEEP :D

justinstrife
2009-05-17, 18:03
Too much Nina for my liking, damn.

Agreed. Wayyy too much Nina. :o

Johnny
2009-05-17, 18:05
Well I was getting pretty down not being able to hear Layfon say 'restoration' at least once in the episode. Good to see he keeps the ball rolling and driving his pin through that FM was sweet. Oh and the queen's breastage shot looked pretty nice as well...

Ultramarinus
2009-05-17, 19:00
Here's me hoping that Felli will be able to get over herself after that cold shower, though I suspect that emo crisis is another possibility. Let's hope not. Even though Nina is my favorite character, I'm not really bothered with who Layfon ends up with, if anyone. But we need some other characters to get a grip and realize they aren't Tokyo high-school princesses. Those are reducing the show's potential with way too much bickering over their petty crushes. Some platonic non-sense is alright every once in a while but it shouldn't be the drive of several side-characters at once.

The episode was one the fullest episodes, if not the most. Decent action, some hints on the big picture and fresh encounters with some more character development. As if these weren't enough, Nina had the spotlights! :cool:

kuroishinigami
2009-05-17, 19:01
Umm, I've got a question to novel reader. Yes or no answer will suffice. Is the current storyline still follow the novel's storyline?

Thx in advance

Arkard
2009-05-17, 19:17
I'm still trying to interpret the last line of the episode where the SCP says, "she got him back." The best I can come up with is that Nina returning breaks Layfon out of his mechanical emo fighting till he burns out mode. Or it could mean the goat... or... well what does everyone else think? :confused:

ani_d
2009-05-17, 19:31
When I saw people complaining, I knew I was going to like this episode and I was right lol Could it be that the queen is related to Saya? They seem to look alike.:heh: I'm speculating again.


Taichou?
Layfon?
Taichouuuu!
Layfonnnnn!
Taichou...
Layfon...

l.o.l! There's something about this kind of scene that's so over the top but I love it everytime I see it. It's so innocently adorable in a mawkish kinda way. I'm not really sure about the "lack of romance" between Layfon and Nina but looking at the atmosphere, the BGM, and the end shot all in all, that's uberly fluffy if you ask me. So suggestive enough it even made me feel awkward. -_- But I guess this is what I like about those two. They have the "I love my senpai/kohai" dynamics going on for them. Did this scene happen in the novel?

As for Leerin, she's so likeable, I'm pretty sure she'll make Layfon go back to the Katana once she arrives. It seems like she's also the holy grail in this story that they have to protect. I finally understood why Nina had to travel all the way to Myath and back. It's all so that she can meet with Leerin and have the haikizoku in her suppressed.:rolleyes: She's really loved by Zuellni. Not only did she tame Zuellni, she also tamed Layfon. He was like a lost child without her. Here's to hoping Nina doesn't end up like Dein Dee.

A few of questions that bug me:
Where does Dixerio come from?
Who's behind the wolf-masked army?
What's their goal?
How old is Saya? From how long ago is the Legend of Regios?
When will Savaris crack and turn all evil?

I wish the anime ends at a good spot.:)

*edit

I'm still trying to interpret the last line of the episode where the SCP says, "she got him back." The best I can come up with is that Nina returning breaks Layfon out of his mechanical emo fighting till he burns out mode.

No, you're right. That's how I saw it too. Instead of Karian saying, "Nina, you brought back Zuellni" it looked more like he said "Nina, you brought Layfon back". It's ironic.:heh:

Ultramarinus
2009-05-17, 19:34
The best I can come up with is that Nina returning breaks Layfon out of his mechanical emo fighting till he burns out mode.
Exactly that. He was burning himself with self-accusation because she got lost after him telling to go look for fairy. And the city seemed to fight a losing battle until Nina's appearance caused Layfon to go nuts on the monsters. He'll now be able to fight with his cool without stress.

Thanks Nina for awakening Layfon once more says me! :heh:

Narona
2009-05-17, 19:37
Agreed. Wayyy too much Nina. :o

That's why I vote 1 :o

J/K

Savaris scares me at times o.o Is he a good or evil character?

That Saya mysterious girl has a nice design :3

Now we know which power Leerin has.

As final words: Too much Nina, blah :o

TrueKnight
2009-05-17, 19:55
Where does Dixerio come from?
Interdimensional super hero who seems fighting the Ignus in order to prevent them on entering the Regios realm. Fyi he’s the main character of the Regios spin-off novel, the Regios Crusade.
Who's behind the wolf-masked army?
Guys from Ignasis/Ignus. Seems living and spawning in and from the Aurora Field. In other words, they’re the same villains as the ones in the Legend of Regios i.e Face Man.
What's their goal?
Something to do with Riggzario system, the electronic fairies mother, and perhaps all electronic fairies in general. Maybe something to do with the Aurora Field.
When will Savaris crack and turn all evil?
He’s already evil from the start which is why he’s awesome.

Don’t know about the rest.

On side note: I hope Felli will somehow strike back next ep.*fingers crossed* and Layfon kicking some major ass without emo-ing.

Narona
2009-05-17, 20:42
On side note: I hope Felli will somehow strike back next ep.*fingers crossed* and Layfon kicking some major ass without emo-ing.This scene + the scene in the ep18 when Layfon rejects, in a way, felli's feelings, can't be dismissed.

Not that it pleases me at all. But it seems really, well, y'know... XD

Arkard
2009-05-17, 20:55
That's why I vote 1 :o

J/K

Savaris scares me at times o.o Is he a good or evil character?

That Saya mysterious girl has a nice design :3

Now we know which power Leerin has.

As final words: Too much Nina, blah :o

Savaris? I'm leaning towards more evil. It seems more that he's what the queen is afraid of rather then Layfon, a monster kept in check only by the Queen's power. And welcome back!

Slick_rick
2009-05-17, 20:58
Great episode. The reunion was nicely done and so what I was expecting. It was mushy and so out of place but that's what made it so enjoyable.


This is what I expect for the upcoming episodes.

Nina- Felli's been kidnapped Layfon!
Layfon- Oh no! This is all my fault if I hadn't...
Nina- Get a grip! We'll just go rescue her and make those who took her pay!
Layfon- Taichou! You're so right! <emo mode instantly destroyed>
Nina- That's my boy. Now come over here and give mama some sugar.

Layfon- Yes! We finally rescued you Senpai.
Felli- FonFon, Thank...
Layfon- Finally, now I can get back to setting up that ménage à trois for when Leerin gets here.
Felli- Fonfon... Can I jo...
Layfon- I don't wish for that...

:heh::heh:

Narona
2009-05-17, 21:06
Savaris? I'm leaning towards more evil. It seems more that he's what the queen is afraid of rather then Layfon, a monster kept in check only by the Queen's power. And welcome back!

That's what I feel about him too. Dixerio also creeps me out a bit XD

I also noticed the colors associated to them

- Savaris = red
- Dixerio = Green

In a lot of movies/cartoon, those colors are defined like that:

- Red = evil camp.
- Green = Good camp.


And thanks for the nice words :)

ani_d
2009-05-17, 21:13
Felli- Fonfon... Can I jo...
Layfon- I don't wish for that...

:heh::heh:

You're crazy. But that cracked me up.:heh: I like Felli though, I think it's her week next week.


Interdimensional super hero who seems fighting the Ignus in order to prevent them on entering the Regios realm. Fyi he’s the main character of the Regios spin-off novel, the Regios Crusade.

Guys from Ignasis/Ignus. Seems living and spawning in and from the Aurora Field. In other words, they’re the same villains as the ones in the Legend of Regios i.e Face Man.

Something to do with Riggzario system, the electronic fairies mother, and perhaps all electronic fairies in general. Maybe something to do with the Aurora Field.

He’s already evil from the start which is why he’s awesome.



Wow, you're well-informed. Thanks.

Bonta Kun
2009-05-17, 22:38
well one thing for me is after watching Sengoku Basara, whenever name exchanging like that takes place now I immediately think of

OYAKATA-SAMA!
YUKIMURA!
OYAKATA-SAMA!
YUKIMURA!

somehow I've come to expect flair and hotbloodedness to come from a name exchange, not sure if this is a good or bad thing -___-

Fonfon didn't come off nearly as gar as it does in SB

ok something I really don't get now is how that Kei-cannon actually moved the whole city backwards.
no matter what it would have been ripped from its holdings before moving the city backwards. I could maybe believe it if it was actually built into the city, in its frame work but it was placed at the cities edge
hell it didn't even have a platform or anything to make it look like it was securely held down
I won't argue it gives off a hell of a kick but I for its size and how poorly placed it was I would never think it could actually move the city like it did

*note I'm just nit picky but its one of the small details I just kinda get irritated at>__<

germanturkey
2009-05-17, 23:33
hahahahahahahahaah. i cracked up so badly at that last scene. wtf. so random. (not really random after what the pres said last ep and this one, but still..) rather hilarious. anyways, queen sleeps in the nude. hot.

thoughts about next ep. looks like it'll be 2 more eps until Layfon gets his powerup. i was kinda hoping that Nina couldn't conquer the goat and Layfon would have to kill her. it would make for more drama..

Dam Dog
2009-05-18, 01:06
well one thing for me is after watching Sengoku Basara, whenever name exchanging like that takes place now I immediately think of

OYAKATA-SAMA!
YUKIMURA!
OYAKATA-SAMA!
YUKIMURA!

Taichou!
Layfon!
TAICHOU!
LAYFON!
TAICHOU!
LAYFON!
*PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANCH!*
TAICHOU!

fertygo
2009-05-18, 01:21
Epic episode for Nina fans like me =p
The last scene from this episode just too sweet, i smiling with full of satisfied feeling after see that scene.

n that Saya girl make me wonder about what exactly she's role in present of Regios world

thoughts about next ep. looks like it'll be 2 more eps until Layfon gets his powerup. i was kinda hoping that Nina couldn't conquer the goat and Layfon would have to kill her. it would make for more drama..

Seriously... if that really happens, i will hunt u even to the edge of the world.

zibi88
2009-05-18, 02:38
Epic episode for Nina fans like me =p
The last scene from this episode just too sweet, i smiling with full of satisfied feeling after see that scene.

n that Saya girl make me wonder about what exactly she's role in present of Regios world

Seriously... if that really happens, i will hunt u even to the edge of the world.

why not.... I mean if Nina has the goat then there is a possibility that the queen would want to take her to grendan... and that is against Nina's wish to protect Zerenii (city & fairy).... so if Layfon would have been with the goat than Queen would have to take Layfon back in which is part of Leerin's wish :P (its like 2in1.... you have haikizoku back and Leerin is pleased)

And well Leerin loves Layfon and so with her hidden Saya power she would be able to control that haikizoku inside layfon ^^

The main question is how the anime will end.... will they stop at one point saying "to be continued..." or will they change the story a little comapared to how the story in novel is going (and well currently it has no ending since its ongoing)...... I wodner maybe last episodes will be a masive monster fight with the boss monster that killing him will save the world :P

Maybe what "saya" said that "its not the right time yet" might mean that 12th HB is needed to perform that "time" which Saya is talking about.....(even queen said in ep15 that she was thinking "that when Layfon appeared she throught that it was the time")

and well lately lots of monsters are appearing (Grendan, mayah, zerenii) which might be a sign that something big is going to happen...

-Sho-
2009-05-18, 03:48
One of the best episode :)
Yeah Savaris is evil lol i like how he tortured the guy .(well , poor him ) but he didn't protect Leerin huh ? The queen said if she got just a little scratch she'll kill him . Well , Leerin fell .
Savaris vs Dixerio . Seems Dixerio is strong enough .(or equal than HB)
Leerin was cute :) "the rigzax" lol ahah she used the 120marks :p
Like i said , Saya who is inside Leerin is Shinola's sister something like that . And maybe Leerin is Saya's reincarnation . Shinola was naked in her bed :)
With The kei-ra canon they can kill filth monsters now . It seems they're more stronger and organised than before .
Dixerio show Nina the "teaser" XD it was hilarious .
And in the end , Layfon x Nina !!! wow ! A kiss in the end and it'll be awesome :p
Lol ! it was unexpected , but Nina got some points for him . Felli is very jealous !

BUT next episode it seems that it'll be Felli's turn XD ROFL ! Counter attack begins !

zibi88
2009-05-18, 04:05
Queen's name is not Shinola.... but Alsheila she only took that name of Shinola in front of Leerin to hide her true self.......

and no Saya is not Alsheila's sister..... I mean Saya is a orgin-spirit and not a human like Alsheila... maybe Alsheila had a sister named Shinola (or its sayas surname) and so Saya would be reincarnated in her daughter (maybe a prophecy).....I personaly dont want to see that Saya will take over Leerin's own body becouse she is the prophet which Alsheila is waiting for...... Leerin is Leerin and not some spirit that wants to come back to life while sacraficing Leerin's life (I doubt Layfon would agree for that to happen )

Well but for better understanding we need to see that "legend of regios film [from those clips] "

blewin
2009-05-18, 04:09
Just watched episode 19. I must say.... what the heck is with that last scene!!?? It's so damn exaggerated. You could almost anticipate Layfon and Nina kissing in the end. So what I'm getting is that Layfon decides to join in the fight to protect Nina (yeah?). oh... big development there.

Some pretty cool revelations in this episode, including Leerin's connection with Saya and a funny tiny "home theatre" with Nina watching a video of the past. Gee, is Dixerio really human??

willyvereb
2009-05-18, 04:47
The anime shows that Layfon is a kid inside. He gives a damn about others' lives. People dies daily. The only ones he care the ones important to him. But in his grieving over Nina even blinded that. I think it's almost the same if he loses Felli or Meishen except one thing. Nina is someone who may shakes out him of that state and tells him what to do. While Felli and Meishen or seemingly anyone other in Zuellni can't do that. Perhaps if Leerin arrives...she's surely a strong girl and she can motivate Layfon and shakes him out of his emoness in similar cases.

Johnny
2009-05-18, 04:54
I agree Leerin should be able to handle Layfon, but sadly she's arriving late in the season. Was hoping for more development when she arrived. Guess will have to hope for a second season and thrive on blewin's translation of the novel till then...:)

-Sho-
2009-05-18, 04:56
Yeah , and She'll kill all the others pairing XD Its obvious that Leerin x Layfon :)

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-18, 05:08
Just managed to see the episode today courtesy of me fangirling too much with evil thoughts on my Otome game. R-18 teaser scene with romantic-heart-killer-lines >>>>>> badassness it seems. Also have to keep up with deleted data of Umineko courtesy of cheesie's manslaving me to play Umineko fast, and LOLOLOLOL at the last scene. Not only that it is utterly too cheesily romantic-I even LOL-ed at that as my brain has just finished my game and decided that:

1.) The producer watched too much old school Sentai animes (e.g. Sailor Moon). WTF with PINK colours there?! BGM is romantic enough but pink colour is just making it TOO cheezy =+=;

2.) Animators and staffs are NinaxLayfon shipper.

3.) Can't they just make a better romantic scene... Please? THIS IS JUST TOO UTTERLY PINK CHEEZY!!! >3> *was hoping for some much more romantic event than LOL-ing name-call scene with PINK sparks in the middle of battlefield of Filth monsters*

OTOH, Savaris gain my eternal love now. Someone should give me a medication for my painful cheek now as I was grinning madly when Savaris become so badass evil here~~~ 8DDDDDDD (And yes, I love sadists thank you very much. Too bad Savaris is not yet on inhuman awesome level as two sadists that I bowed down to)

The appearance of Dixerio? It makes me fangirl my laptop like crazy. 8D

I think Savaris is surpassing Layfon just because of his evil badassness in this episode... *swoon at Savaris*

*Is secretly wishing for NinaxLeerin and NinaxFelli fans to do a shipwar here* =D

blewin
2009-05-18, 05:30
yeah, Nina and Leerin are probably the only two other girls who can tell Layfon what to do. Not sure whether that's a good thing though.

Just managed to see the episode today courtesy of me fangirling too much with evil thoughts on my Otome game. R-18 teaser scene with romantic-heart-killer-lines >>>>>> badassness it seems. Also have to keep up with deleted data of Umineko courtesy of cheesie's manslaving me to play Umineko fast, and LOLOLOLOL at the last scene. Not only that it is utterly too cheesily romantic-I even LOL-ed at that as my brain has just finished my game and decided that:

1.) The producer watched too much old school Sentai animes (e.g. Sailor Moon). WTF with PINK colours there?! BGM is romantic enough but pink colour is just making it TOO cheezy =+=;

2.) Animators and staffs are NinaxLayfon shipper.

3.) Can't they just make a better romantic scene... Please? THIS IS JUST TOO UTTERLY PINK CHEEZY!!! >3> *was hoping for some much more romantic event than LOL-ing name-call scene with PINK sparks in the middle of battlefield of Filth monsters*

OTOH, Savaris gain my eternal love now. Someone should give me a medication for my painful cheek now as I was grinning madly when Savaris become so badass evil here~~~ 8DDDDDDD (And yes, I love sadists thank you very much. Too bad Savaris is not yet on inhuman awesome level as two sadists that I bowed down to)

The appearance of Dixerio? It makes me fangirl my laptop like crazy. 8D

I think Savaris is surpassing Layfon just because of his evil badassness in this episode... *swoon at Savaris*

*Is secretly wishing for NinaxLeerin and NinaxFelli fans to do a shipwar here* =D

:D Your post's cracking me up, lol. Exactly, right in the middle of a battlefield too. Now how's everyone gonna react to that? I kind of feel bad for Felli. Emotionless on the surface, but she's probably feeling jealous and sad and sour all underneath.

yeah, been thinking about that too. I think Layfon might be too worn out from fighting all the filth monsters and recovering to have a fair fight with Savaris. I assume that Savaris will also arrive at Zuellni along with Leerin.

willyvereb
2009-05-18, 05:44
I have an extreme scenario in my mind: Savaris helps out the city of Myrath in the intercity fight and we've got a Layfon vs Savaris fight(the power difference obvious considering Layfon has a D grade Dite while Savaris a legendary S grade one:p), Layfon tries to hold up Savaris while the others capturing the flag.
Perhaps it's impossible: Savaris has the pride of HB reciever and not so cooperative, Not to mention Leerin's reaction. But still it would be a great episode.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-18, 05:55
Well, technically, they were FAR UP ABOVE of the battlefield, so a 10 secs hug won't really affect them or anybody else for that matter. They'll come down and deliver some good beating on the monsters anyway.

Now, normally it could be cheesy, but we all saw that Layton was slowly losing his mind due to self-accusation and Nina was practically lost in the middle of nowhere. Considering that their character compatibility, relation and interaction is by far the deepest among Layton's other friends, it was understandable.

But I see how people digging for especially Felli can reject it, we all saw her face. :heh: I hope she'll finally give a damn about anything other than hunting Layton.

black_cat1
2009-05-18, 06:37
Now Myath vs Zuellni, ha, Savaris will be pleased when he see Layfon and Gorneo, Dixero said that the Lucken's guys have some problem with their evil side, maybe it relate to the source of their power.

And too much of Nina, the last scene was cliché.

Johnny
2009-05-18, 06:42
I thought the dite Leerin is bringing is special? I know it's no HB, but should be a decent dite...

blewin
2009-05-18, 07:01
It's Layfon's Master's Dite, the Psyharden skill that Layfon has refused to use for 19 episodes so far, it's bound to be more than sturdy and quite powerful. It'll definitely boost Layfon's fighting capability. wow.... even more powerful? Unimaginable.

I'm unclear on what Savaris did to the filth monster in this episode. He's controlling some red light, but they aren't the threads that Layfon and Lintence use, are they?

oh, knowing how contemptuous Savaris is in general, he might get in Layfon's way in the intercity match just for the sake of pissing him off. What I'm also interested in is Savaris + Gorneo reunion. :D

Narona
2009-05-18, 07:31
Now, normally it could be cheesy, but we all saw that Layton was slowly losing his mind due to self-accusation and Nina was practically lost in the middle of nowhere.
I don't want to dismiss this scene, but on Layfon's side, I tend to believe that he felt guilty of what happened to Nina above all. So seeing that she is back and in good health makes him happy, that's understandable.


Considering that their character compatibility, relation and interaction is by far the deepest among Layton's other friends, it was understandable.
Not that sure about that. Actually, it's from now on that their relationship can start becoming deeper.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-18, 07:49
Of course, he felt guilty for sending her there and we all saw how badly he was affected in the previous episode, forsaking his own health battling monsters.

I never thought that the scene implied any romance, Layton didn't make any romantic advances or accepted anybody else's until now. It also seems doubtful that he will, even against Leerin.

As for Layton-Nina relationship, it was Nina that introduced him to his new friend circle and it was also her who caused him to finally find his own new motivation in ep 7. It was also due to her constantly going on against all odds to the point of death, that he felt the need to get serious. She's like that lawful good paladin party leader who confronts all kinds of troubles head on and bringing out the best effort of the team in the process. She's also constantly driven on the path to protect everyone, which is most compatible with Layton's 'protect friends' main policy. She thinks and values people, Layton does as well. And such people are already thought of highly even by neutral bystanders, you can see that from the comments made by the girl trio. It's due to all these that Layton feels closer (at least as a friend) to her and that's why we had such a warm and fuzzy reunion.

I think the scene made very much sense in this respect.

Narona
2009-05-18, 07:57
I never thought that the scene implied any romance, Layton didn't make any romantic advances or accepted anybody else's until now. It also seems doubtful that he will, even against Leerin.

I think the scene made very much sense in this respect.

I am a Felli shipper, but to be fully honest, I think that Romance was implied, at least a bit. Even more since we can do a parallel with that felli/layfon scene at the end of the ep18. There's also what Dixerio said in the ep19 just before their reunion:

"Don't you think it's a bit too soon to be teaching preschoolers about Love and Romance?"

It might not be linked, but talking about love and romance just before that reunion gives me that feeling.

It doesn't mean that NinaXLayfon is canon, but shows, imo, that this pairing has good chances to happen.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-18, 08:20
That's so indeed, but it didn't appear to me that both of them has romance in their minds currently. Maybe in the future. Nina's my favorite character anyway so I'm happy so far in any case. :) Not that I'd be sad if he went for Leerin or Nina didn't respond to his feelings, I just want Nina to keep a clear head and not mess up priorities. Sure people can love and pursue happiness in a wasteland, but they look weak to me if they lose sleep over it. Especially if they're the first line of defense against aggressors. :heh:

SageGaiGar
2009-05-18, 09:36
I am a Felli shipper, but to be fully honest, I think that Romance was implied, at least a bit. Even more since we can do a parallel with that felli/layfon scene at the end of the ep18. There's also what Dixerio said in the ep19 just before their reunion:

"Don't you think it's a bit too soon to be teaching preschoolers about Love and Romance?"

It might not be linked, but talking about love and romance just before that reunion gives me that feeling.

It doesn't mean that NinaXLayfon is canon, but shows, imo, that this pairing has good chances to happen.


I always figure they will tease all possibilities in a Shonen action series. Anyway I think it was more along the lines of two friends reuniting... Very dear comrades. More that that? it's possible... (especially if he has a thing for goats/sheep. :V)

black_cat1
2009-05-18, 09:48
I'm unclear on what Savaris did to the filth monster in this episode. He's controlling some red light, but they aren't the threads that Layfon and Lintence use, are they?
Yes, it's just a stage one mature, the one that Fon Fon gang fought in ep 1 is full mature FM.

I've found out that Leerin's boobs in this ep is bigger xD, even than Nina xD

"Don't you think it's a bit too soon to be teaching preschoolers about Love and Romance?"
I think that mean it is too soon for Nina to know the secret about regios

TrueKnight
2009-05-18, 10:25
Time for some warm up and exercise for the next episode 20,



Fon-fon seems going to get his hands full if you get what I mean,

http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022815.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022839.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022942.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100032547.jpg

Other fun stuffs,

http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9099.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9100.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9101.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9102.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9103.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9104.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9105.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9106.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9107.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9108.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9109.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9110.jpg

Finally,

http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios01.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios02.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios03.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios04.jpg

Felli gets kidnapped. Hoping Fon-fon will save her in style just like with Nina’s.

A rescue arc with different damsel in distress? >_>

willyvereb
2009-05-18, 10:45
That's a quite new Layfon if you ask me. Nina's personality starts to "invade" him.:)

Bonta Kun
2009-05-18, 11:15
ehhh whats the deal with Shante and Fonfon?!!!

she gonna fall for him now?!!!

lol theres no stopping the lad is there:heh:

satomianzaki
2009-05-18, 11:33
yeah...layfon just coudn't hide his happiness because of his taichou...ureshii...can't help but also feel happy for him... :D

but...i also can't help feeling bad seeing felli's sad face...oh well, she'll get her moments...

seeing the previews, we're in to another start of a roller coaster ride...this time with layfon vs haia...i wonder when will leerin really arrive in zuellini...i'm wondering what will be her reaction when she learns that nina is layfon's captain and that he was the friend she was talking about...but as dixerio said, nina should protect leerin...at least, since saya's in her...

geesh, how time flies...we're really nearing the end...hope csr will have 2nd season... :)

Narona
2009-05-18, 11:37
Felli gets kidnapped. Hoping Fon-fon will save her in style just like with Nina’s.


Are you sure that it is what will happen? Or do you assume it from the pics? ^^

TrueKnight
2009-05-18, 11:48
Are you sure that it is what will happen? Or do you assume it from the pics? ^^

Hm? Which one? If you mean Felli getting kidnapped then it’s already being mentioned in ep 20 preview with Kallian narrating. The rest is just me hoping.

Von Himmel
2009-05-18, 11:59
Watched this episode.
Did not see anything during the last few minutes in the episode.
All is fine :)

. . seriously, they're kinda exaggerating it. But oh well, the scene was quite beautiful with all the golden thread, Layfon's jumping and fighting the filth monster.... lol

Anyway, what happened in this episode ? I guess we can safely assumed that Saya = Leerin. Oh wait, nice to see her speak Japanese for a change :)

The problem is that they didn't explain it really well, considering the number of episode that we have left. Also, the pace didn't help much either.

And here I am, praying for the second season of this series ;_;

Whatever happened in the Legend of Regios, considering how the Regios world ends up with, I assumed that 'something really bad' happened. At least to the people in the world. . and the story isn't finished either. Something happened to Saya, and it still giving more problems to the world.

Also, looking at the masked wolf man. . are they a worshipper to Ignasis or something ? Looks like they are a couple of military artist that become 'bad' and worship Ignasis. . in the process, they would lose their body and become something undescribable like in the episode where Nina and Dixerio fight them >_>; That's just my opinion, lol.

http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9105.jpg
He looks so ronery in this image ;_;

-Sho-
2009-05-18, 12:25
Time for some warm up and exercise for the next episode 20,



Fon-fon seems going to get his hands full if you get what I mean,

http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022815.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022839.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022942.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100032547.jpg

Other fun stuffs,

http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9099.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9100.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9101.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9102.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9103.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9104.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9105.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9106.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9107.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9108.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9109.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9110.jpg

Finally,

http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios01.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios02.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios03.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios04.jpg

Felli gets kidnapped. Hoping Fon-fon will save her in style just like with Nina’s.

A rescue arc with different damsel in distress? >_>

It seems that Felli will be in depression lol
Shante is cute in the last pic .

Dam Dog
2009-05-18, 13:06
Hmm...

You know, I think this whole romance might just be one giant troll. They're sending so many mixed messages. Yeah, individually each episode is pretty clear.

I mean, if you watched the last two episodes alone, you'd probably say, "OK, no interest in Felli, but Fonfon's got it on for Nina."

But taking into account the whole thing, it looks a little more balanced. Hmmm~

Let's not forget the ending credits, which put a LOT of emphasis on Felli. I mean, really, half the scenes are pink flower petals floating in water or flying around, and Felli gets lots of close ups and such.

My cynical side is telling me the series is going to end in a no-win-draw and the staff are going to lulz it up at us fanboys/girls.

willyvereb
2009-05-18, 13:47
It's not cynism...It's almost a fact from the beginning(for the ones who read the LN) i doubt the anime forces one pairing or another at the end. And they tried to make everyone "equal" in the "romance warefare" on the top of it for obvious reasons.

magnuskn
2009-05-18, 13:49
It seems that Felli will be in depression lol
Shante is cute in the last pic .

Uh. Am I the only one that thinks that it looks like Felli is going to *let* herself get kidnapped? I kinda get the vibe from the preview pics...

Sinestra
2009-05-18, 14:18
Well, technically, they were FAR UP ABOVE of the battlefield, so a 10 secs hug won't really affect them or anybody else for that matter. They'll come down and deliver some good beating on the monsters anyway.

Now, normally it could be cheesy, but we all saw that Layton was slowly losing his mind due to self-accusation and Nina was practically lost in the middle of nowhere. Considering that their character compatibility, relation and interaction is by far the deepest among Layton's other friends, it was understandable.

But I see how people digging for especially Felli can reject it, we all saw her face. :heh: I hope she'll finally give a damn about anything other than hunting Layton.

Personally im taking the mid air hug as a welcome back im happy to see your not dead hug. I see how some are getting all up in a roar over it but honestly the hug did not last that long just slowed down for effect. Felli will of course take it badly as she will become depressed but i still think there is only one logical choice for Layfon and Leerin. Only the other hand its clear how Nina feels so that was never a question.

Shinola waking up in all her naked glory even with that sheet made the episode worth while for me. Along with mushroom cloud explosion from the Ki cannon.

Now im wondering if Nina was given a hint as to why the world is the way it is and if there is someway to actually fix it send the filth bugs back to where ever they come from and for humanity not to have live in the domed cities anymore. There is a lot more going on than i originally thought which is making me like the story even more.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-18, 14:38
I was referring to why they were shouting out to each other like that and had an affectionate hug, I didn't see it or any other second of the anime so far as having an intended romance undertone by Layton. He clearly isn't interested in love yet, at least consciously. Same for Nina.

And I'm quite alright with it, I don't search for romance under every rock in an opposite sex relationship. I understand how people want their favorite to get together with Layton (even though I find it kinda excessive since Layton himself doesn't give the slightest signal) but it's just not what I seek, so I'm not bothered either way. As long as he and Nina don't get negatively affected due to love, it's such a dangerously wild emotion that oftentimes it messes up a potentially good character.

24 episodes just didn't cut it to have a look at the big picture, I'm hoping that they'll follow up with another season that focuses on the serious issues more than they did it till now.

Jin and Toanic
2009-05-18, 15:21
Nina~ :):):)

Sinestra
2009-05-18, 15:47
I was referring to why they were shouting out to each other like that and had an affectionate hug, I didn't see it or any other second of the anime so far as having an intended romance undertone by Layton. He clearly isn't interested in love yet, at least consciously. Same for Nina.

And I'm quite alright with it, I don't search for romance under every rock in an opposite sex relationship. I understand how people want their favorite to get together with Layton (even though I find it kinda excessive since Layton himself doesn't give the slightest signal) but it's just not what I seek, so I'm not bothered either way. As long as he and Nina don't get negatively affected due to love, it's such a dangerously wild emotion that oftentimes it messes up a potentially good character.

24 episodes just didn't cut it to have a look at the big picture, I'm hoping that they'll follow up with another season that focuses on the serious issues more than they did it till now.

If they dont follow up with a second season the whole series will leave a bad taste in my mouth. They have introduced so much material and have not had ample time to explorer nor explain of it i hate plot holes.

monir
2009-05-18, 17:06
Uh. Am I the only one that thinks that it looks like Felli is going to *let* herself get kidnapped? I kinda get the vibe from the preview pics...
:heh:

Mai had her moment when she suffocated her poor boobs against Layfon. Nina had her moment when her son, Layfon, came back to her, screaming Taichou. Felli had her moment when.......

Wait a minute! Felli did not have any moment. I think Felli has come to the same conclusion as well. Layfon shall pay. Oh yes, he will. Take me away, kidnappers.

Bring on episode 20. :D

Tatiana Razajev
2009-05-18, 17:07
My take on the whole "reunion" scene is this. It has the potential to be the start of something more, but at the same time they can decide not to take any further than that. How much meaning it will have depends on future progress.

Granted, I suppose you could argue that a lot of scenes are like that in the long run. This is especially true in harem anime where the other girls will get their "moments", but only the moments for the destined one truly matter in the long run.

In any case, I'm hoping they go the route of having a decent cut-off point and don't try to force a rushed ending. As such an ending is destined to be terrible. Granted we also need a second season to go along with it.

Johnny
2009-05-18, 17:30
Nina had her moment when her son, Layfon, came back to her, screaming Taichou.

LMAO, that's the funniest thing I've seen today...

After watching the ending again I was expecting to see some pixies dancing around tossing flower petals on the both of them. Not sure how he can recover after that, maybe jump into a group of bloodthirsty FM's. Then emerge covered head to toe in their green blood....Manliness recovered...:heh:

Manji Midou
2009-05-18, 17:33
Great episode. The reunion was nicely done and so what I was expecting. It was mushy and so out of place but that's what made it so enjoyable.


This is what I expect for the upcoming episodes.

Nina- Felli's been kidnapped Layfon!
Layfon- Oh no! This is all my fault if I hadn't...
Nina- Get a grip! We'll just go rescue her and make those who took her pay!
Layfon- Taichou! You're so right! <emo mode instantly destroyed>
Nina- That's my boy. Now come over here and give mama some sugar.

Layfon- Yes! We finally rescued you Senpai.
Felli- FonFon, Thank...
Layfon- Finally, now I can get back to setting up that ménage à trois for when Leerin gets here.
Felli- Fonfon... Can I jo...
Layfon- I don't wish for that...

:heh::heh:

:heh::heh:
Very good read

Wait a minute! Felli did not have any moment. I think Felli has come to the same conclusion as well. Layfon shall pay. Oh yes, he will. Take me away, kidnappers.

o'rly?

fellis has had more then one sided moments abusing her step brother every time he calls her senpai or kept things from her.

Layfon does look irritated at finding out that fellis was kidnap....it's like

Layfon: omg that useless attention *****went and got herself kidnapped...this will take time away from spending time with nina ARGGHHH!!!

Don't worry layfon save that loli and be done with it once your done u can go back to the superior nina...that is if you haven't bumped into leerin yet.:)

Wargumm1i
2009-05-18, 18:32
I wonder how they are going too end Regios.

Also I just want to ask this, I dont know which topic to ask it in, so I will just go ahead and just go for it...

How accurate is the anime too the manga or light novel? I mean is it more closer too the light novel or manga?

Arkard
2009-05-18, 18:55
I do find it amusing that Layfon is just observing the battle until Zuellni is detected. He then literally plows through filth monsters and slaughters en mass to catapult himself from the corpses. He proceeds to take off his helmet in the toxic, hostile environment so Nina can see it's him, screaming in a high pitched voice and giving the most affirmative romantic gesture so far in the series. Even as a Nina fan, that was kinda over the top for me.

With so few episodes left, will it be Leerin's turn after Felli's kidnapping or season 2? What I'm looking forward to the most is Nina and Leerin meeting in Zuellni and realizing they're rivals :heh:

monir
2009-05-19, 03:20
o'rly?

fellis has had more then one sided moments abusing her step brother every time he calls her senpai or kept things from her.

Layfon does look irritated at finding out that fellis was kidnap....it's like

Layfon: omg that useless attention *****went and got herself kidnapped...this will take time away from spending time with nina ARGGHHH!!!

Don't worry layfon save that loli and be done with it once your done u can go back to the superior nina...that is if you haven't bumped into leerin yet.:)
:heh:

If it isn't Mr. Midou, the most vocal anti-Felli spokesman? Sir, are you by any chance a light-pole who has mastered typing? If that is the case then I can rationalize your distinct disliking for this spunky loli. The atrocities this loli has committed against all the unfortunate light-pole that were there at the wrong place at the wrong time is just unimaginable. I can perfectly empathize why you would like to be so vocal against someone such as Felli in behalf of your fellow light-poles. Anyone would lose it if a light-pole lying down helplessly, broken from the base with toe prints still intact, splinters hanging out grotesquely as it collects moisture and dust to attract all kinds of fungi and green moss. The horror.

Sir, let me know if I can ever do anything for you. I'll even go as far as putting coat of pink paint on your thick exterior. And I promise that won't use anything but a brush and apply the gentlest of strokes to coat you with pink. :D

Always enjoy your take on Felli. :)

Dam Dog
2009-05-19, 03:32
:heh:

If it isn't Mr. Midou, the most vocal anti-Felli spokesman? Sir, are you by any chance a light-pole who has mastered typing? If that is the case then I can rationalize your distinct disliking for this spunky loli. The atrocities this loli has committed against all the unfortunate light-pole that were there at the wrong place at the wrong time is just unimaginable. I can perfectly empathize why you would like to be so vocal against someone such as Felli in behalf of your fellow light-poles. Anyone would lose it if a light-pole lying down helplessly, broken from the base with toe prints still intact, splinters hanging out grotesquely as it collects moisture and dust to attract all kinds of fungi and green moss. The horror.

Sir, let me know if I can ever do anything for you. I'll even go as far as putting coat of pink paint on your thick exterior. And I promise that won't use anything but a brush and apply the gentlest of strokes to coat you with pink. :D

Always enjoy your take on Felli. :)

Don't forget what she did to that innocent fridge back in the cafe. I bet that poor thing was crippled for life.

monir
2009-05-19, 03:46
Don't forget what she did to that innocent fridge back in the cafe. I bet that poor thing was crippled for life.
Ah yes! I almost forgot about all the other inanimate object that fell victim to Felli's brutal assault. The way that fridge was reverberating after each kick, I thought it would eject its bottom drawers any second.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 04:59
To be honest, I have my own resentment against Felli but that comes mainly due to her trying to play the Tokyo high-school ojou-sama in an aquarium roaming the wasteland, besieged by monsters. I just cannot fathom characters who defy the reality of their setting. Meisshen I can understand, being a general arts student with no combat powers whatsoever. But trying to not fight and also prevent the city's the only hope, just because "you don't want to get used"? Get real! The city will fall with everyone including you if you don't! Even if it isn't for your citizens or brother, fight for your own life! Ah right, she had proposed to run away.. :rolleyes:

So we've got a character who could have the anime finished on ep 7 through getting all cast killed just because she can't stand using a bit of god-mode hereditary power, gained through apparently zero effort. Uh, I couldn't dream of such an embodiment of a character that virtually has a personality that I detest even if they asked me. A deadpan loli to address fanservice topping it off, man, I could swear she was the anti-christ if she was real. :heh:

As much I'm beyond care for her self-centered self, I just thought to myself after seeing that hug, "maybe she'll get her act together now?". But seeing her so far, the chances are higher that she went into an emo comatose, dragging people down again. And I do hope that I'm wrong about that, I won't be sad if she redeems herself.

But enough of my rant, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. You know the saying about opinions and smelly bottoms. :p

TrueKnight
2009-05-19, 05:56
To be honest, I have my own resentment against Felli but that comes mainly due to her trying to play the Tokyo high-school ojou-sama in an aquarium roaming the wasteland, besieged by monsters. I just cannot fathom characters who defy the reality of their setting. Meisshen I can understand, being a general arts student with no combat powers whatsoever. But trying to not fight and also prevent the city's the only hope, just because "you don't want to get used"? Get real! The city will fall with everyone including you if you don't! Even if it isn't for your citizens or brother, fight for your own life! Ah right, she had proposed to run away..

So we've got a character who could have the anime finished on ep 7 through getting all cast killed just because she can't stand using a bit of god-mode hereditary power, gained through apparently zero effort. Uh, I couldn't dream of such an embodiment of a character that virtually has a personality that I detest even if they asked me. A deadpan loli to address fanservice topping it off, man, I could swear she was the anti-christ if she was real.

As much I'm beyond care for her self-centered self, I just thought to myself after seeing that hug, "maybe she'll get her act together now?". But seeing her so far, the chances are higher that she went into an emo comatose, dragging people down again. And I do hope that I'm wrong about that, I won't be sad if she redeems herself.

But enough of my rant, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. You know the saying about opinions and smelly bottoms.

Agree on the selfish and self-centered part but only until ep 06. In ep 07 she did help the squad in the end by giving surveillance and made the dragon to further notice Nina. In ep 8 onwards she changed and not again selfish but supported the squad properly. Her character developed because of her Fon-fon which is why until now she’s emotionally attached to him…..perhaps a bit too much to the point of willing to sacrifice her life or do anything for him, if that’s his wish.

Uh. Am I the only one that thinks that it looks like Felli is going to *let* herself get kidnapped? I kinda get the vibe from the preview pics...

No, man. I’m getting those vibes too. You never know what a desperate girl like her would do just to get Layfon’s attention. I hope I’m wrong though because that will just make her back to be selfish again….er in a different way.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 06:16
Agree on the selfish and self-centered part but only until ep 06. In ep 07 she did help the squad in the end by giving surveillance and made the dragon to further notice Nina. In ep 8 onwards she changed and not again selfish but supported the squad properly. Her character developed because of her Fon-fon which is why until now she’s emotionally attached to him…..perhaps a bit too much to the point of willing to sacrifice her life or do anything for him, if that’s his wish.

Only reluctantly and after Layton persisted on fighting idea, she still accused him of being too nice. :rolleyes: In any case, she's only going along with the charade because of her crush, she's trying to get on Layton's good side. It doesn't seem like she gives a damn about anyone else in the world, so I'm not sure that we can assume she changed, except for admitting her love towards Layton.

I was expecting to see something like "she had a distressful experience in combat in the past, hence she avoids it" and I could buy that, as long as it wasn't very trivial. At least Layton kind of had a trauma so he was in sleep mode, I forgave him as soon as he woke up. Maybe somewhat cliche, but at least makes sense.

TrueKnight
2009-05-19, 06:54
Only reluctantly and after Layton persisted on fighting idea, she still accused him of being too nice.

But the fact remains that her character changed from self-centered and selfish into willing to help others. She was finally able to work as a team according to her role, a radar and combat intelligence, as proven with ep 8 -10, ep 12-14 during the Haia arc. She supported her team appropriately during combat, not as was seen in ep 2. Why or what drives her to do so is a different matter though the answer is rather obvious as you said, Layfon.

Layfon himself still clings on his philosophy, that is to ‘survive’ no matter what the cause. Nina didn’t like it at first and perhaps threaten to expel him but finally gave up and went along (ep 10). His character develops over time but I doubt he totally left his philosophy behind. It’s his character after all.

It doesn't seem like she gives a damn about anyone else in the world

Episode 4 proves otherwise. Meicchi and gang probably would've been monster’s dinner if she's not there.

I agree about her being too dependent on Layfon in defining her own character though.

willyvereb
2009-05-19, 07:07
To tell the truth I hated that attitude of hers too at that time. The LN and the later episodes brought up some light about her character.

She raised as psychokinetist since almost her birth. She thought that's the only way for her until a certain happening that changed her view of the world. She tried to start a new kind of life at the academy but unfortunetely she came to Zuellni and found out that her brother is the SCP. He forced her into the Military Arts out of his desperation(and unknown to her to protect her better).She constantly tried to get away from the Military Arts, but not to the extend to risk her current comrades' life. In other words her situation and even somewhat her personality similar to Layfon's to a scary level. She cares about the ones dear to her but she hardly cares about other people.
The only difference her spoiledness and that her EQ(Emotion Quality, ability to showing off emotions) is close to zero(genetically, cause of her ability and even because of her training). She directly distances herself from the others. And perhaps she's a tsundere. Her relationship with Layfon who almost the mirror of her helps her to open up and accept her fate to form it on a way she likes that.

It may contains some LN exclusive things(first volume) that's why i put it into spoiler tags.

Narona
2009-05-19, 07:12
:heh:

If it isn't Mr. Midou, the most vocal anti-Felli spokesman?

And the most vocal anti-Fatina spokeman :o *Points finger*



Don't forget what she did to that innocent fridge back in the cafe. I bet that poor thing was crippled for life.There's nothing wrong for a girl to be a bit violent :o

:uhoh:


:o

willyvereb
2009-05-19, 07:20
Especially if it's anime. Where the funny and painfull comes from the same hand.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 07:27
She supported her team appropriately during combat, not as was seen in ep 2. Why or what drives her to do so is a different matter though the answer is rather obvious as you said, Layfon.

True enough, all I'm saying is that she looks like a child that acts good till she receives her allowance. I think we shall see how she'll react to 'the hug' to find out if she really will hang on to self-interest or mature.

Layfon himself still clings on his philosophy, that is to ‘survive’ no matter what the cause. Nina didn’t like it at first and perhaps threaten to expel him but finally gave up and went along (ep 10). His character develops over time but I doubt he totally left his philosophy behind. It’s his character after all.

I doubt that, he's merely not regretting what he did in Grendan. But we saw that he fought to the point of death just to save his friends, that's his new motivation, the path he looked for. As Nina realized that, she decided to drop the matter.

Episode 4 proves otherwise. Meicchi and gang probably would've been monster’s dinner if she's not there.

I agree about her being too dependent on Layfon in defining her own character though.

She didn't even mention that they were abducted till asked if she got company, I was appalled back then to be honest. But I guess she wasn't that indifferent to let them die in front of her, that's why I'm still not ruling out her redemption.

To tell the truth I hated that attitude of hers too at that time. The LN and the later episodes brought up some light about her character.
It may contains some LN exclusive things(first volume) that's why i put it into spoiler tags.

Thanks for the info but still, she should be someone who's well aware of the world surrounding them due to her profession. Sharnid for example is more or less an unmotivated, lazy bum and that's valid for me, he still does his thing when the situation requires, he actually cares about others lives' at the very least, even if not their pride. But I don't recall any particular instance that showed Felli's affection towards anyone else except Layfon. She looked more like bidding her time, holding back till their platoon disbanded so she can roam carefree without a worry in the world. Layfon arrives and she discovers another self interest: love. :heh:

willyvereb
2009-05-19, 07:38
I think Felli knows many things for example in a case of a serious FM attack Zuellni had zero chance to survive and I think she had zero interest in the inter-city match(more exactly she had interest in losing...cause a city without Selenium Mine slowly dies and all of the students leaves it...So Felli could start a new life without her brother constantly weatching her). Perhaps she has close to zero idea about the world of Electronic Fairies(onyl that they're exists and moves the cities), the Aurora Field, Ingus or anything similar to that. But it's natural.

Tyrone Biggums
2009-05-19, 07:47
I don't care what anyone says...but that scene was Epic.

Question though...why the hell was Layfon flying in the air anyways....ALL THE ENEMIES WERE ON THE GROUND!

Narona
2009-05-19, 07:50
I don't care what anyone says...but that scene was Epic.

Question though...why the hell was Layfon flying in the air anyways....ALL THE ENEMIES WERE ON THE GROUND!

He used his Dite on the monsters, then used it as a catapult. His goal was to see what was that light that Felli did spot. re-watch the scene ^^

willyvereb
2009-05-19, 07:52
Cause he not even concentrated on them...He got the info about Zuellni and he rushed out like crazy to recover it. Partly because of his guilt of Nina(Zuellni is Nina's close friend) and partly to get the city back to control. If you watch the scene again Layfon ride through the monsters, hardly trying to slay them until he arrived to the point that purple light headed. The he cleared the area and launched himself to the air. Then we've got the so called magical pink scene:)

TrueKnight
2009-05-19, 08:32
I doubt that, he's merely not regretting what he did in Grendan. But we saw that he fought to the point of death just to save his friends, that's his new motivation, the path he looked for. As Nina realized that, she decided to drop the matter.

Yes, which were participating in underground matches for money, intend on killing a guy for blackmailing him and to hide his secret, violating the HB’s code of conduct set up by the Queen that ultimately made him into a criminal and an exile. The thing is he admitted all of this to Nina after he did all his heroic and good deeds as seen in ep 5 and ep 7 and still not regretting them.

He’s a good person by now but his ‘survival’ trait is still there. That’s why though Nina accepted him she’s still pissed and exchanged unique words with him (end of ep 10). Under Nina, Layfon tag along being good while still stood by his ideals and that’s why I like him, it’s his character and what makes him interesting.

Though of course his character will surely grow overtime because of his surroundings but I doubt it’ll totally wipe out his nature core.

zibi88
2009-05-19, 08:39
Just saw 3 pictures on official anime page.... and we see there Haia's master (that old silver haired guy... [mostly the one that died and queen gave to leerin father little of his hair] )......... other picture is showing little Haia

Ehh cant wait to see little Layfon and little Leerin too :P hope they will show us something like that too ^^

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 08:44
He’s a good person by now but his ‘survival’ trait is still there. That’s why though Nina accepted him she’s still pissed and exchanged unique words with him (end of ep 10).

Survival and sacrifice are pretty much opposite traits. His solo fight with the dragon-like creature, coordinated attack together with the mercenaries and burning out sorties against monsters after Nina's disappearance show that he doesn't mind dying for the sake of his friends now. Those are the reasons why I consider him totally abandoning the survival idea.

And I guess he was always a good person, he used the money on the orphanage before. Even if his past conduct looks blasphemous for a lawful good squad leader who also has to instill the self-sacrifice idea to her soldiers, she didn't press on because he's different now. As in an old convict proving redemption through his actions.

TrueKnight
2009-05-19, 09:11
His solo fight with the dragon-like creature, coordinated attack together with the mercenaries and burning out sorties against monsters after Nina's disappearance show that he don't mind dying for the sake of his friends now. Those are the reasons why I consider him totally abandoning the survival idea.

Yes I agree, those are his actions of which he already did all of them and can be considered as ‘good’. But so did all the actions and sacrifice he made on ep 5 and 7 that can be considered ‘good’, but afterward confronted Nina with his survival philosophy in ep 9.

And he’s willing to sacrifice much for his friends but in his mindset never once Layfon thought of dying or losing. His fighting philosophy as an HB as seen in ep 17 no matter how badly hurt he is was to ‘win or die’, he had to survive no matter what. The only thing we saw about him being suicidal was on ep 18 but thats because he blamed himself for losing Nina.

Von Himmel
2009-05-19, 09:30
I wonder what will change in Layfon after Karian said "It's bad to make others as a reason to fight." or something like that. .:(

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 09:40
Yes I agree, those are his actions of which he already did all of them and can be considered as ‘good’. But so did all the actions and sacrifice he made on ep 5 and 7 that can be considered ‘good’, but afterward confronted Nina with his survival philosophy in ep 9.

And he’s willing to sacrifice much for his friends but in his mindset never once Layfon thought of dying or losing. His fighting philosophy as an HB as seen in ep 17 no matter how badly hurt he is was to ‘win or die’, he had to survive no matter what. The only thing we saw about him being suicidal was on ep 18 but thats because he blamed himself for losing Nina.

Well, he tells them to go back in ep 7 when they come to his help and provide a ride back with a messed up sword. His confidence is outstanding for good reason but his situation wasn't very bright just before they arrived. And I don't think that he could just walk all the way back to a city that's hastily moving away from him as Felli informed earlier.

As for ep 9, he doesn't feel regret and he also projects that he doesn't see any interest in martial arts other than self-defense. He doesn't have the pride that's being taught to students of Czellni, we just saw another instance of that in ep 19 when the president told him why they rode to their apparent doom willingly. Still, he's currently considering the survival idea as 'surviving together with his friends' nowadays. In fact, that may have always been the case, trading the pride of his job to provide his friends in the orphanage.

But he doesn't tell so, even if it really is. He never told Nina about the blackmail or how he used that money. Why? Maybe he wants to act like Atlas with the weight of the world on his shoulders or just plain dumbness, I don't know yet. Another past event or reason still not shown is another option, maybe he just cannot because of a secret duty given by the Queen? Or something harmful for a person he cares will also surface if he lets out the truth? It can be speculated why but the fact is that he's not telling the whole deal to even the people who try to kill him for revenge, so it must be for an important reason.

Tyrone Biggums
2009-05-19, 09:57
Yes I agree, those are his actions of which he already did all of them and can be considered as ‘good’. But so did all the actions and sacrifice he made on ep 5 and 7 that can be considered ‘good’, but afterward confronted Nina with his survival philosophy in ep 9.

And he’s willing to sacrifice much for his friends but in his mindset never once Layfon thought of dying or losing. His fighting philosophy as an HB as seen in ep 17 no matter how badly hurt he is was to ‘win or die’, he had to survive no matter what. The only thing we saw about him being suicidal was on ep 18 but thats because he blamed himself for losing Nina.


I forget what episode it was...it was one of the most recent ones (where Haia and his group is fighting too) but Layfon brought out the rest of 17 and told them that next time he wants to fight with them. Because the way he fights is just reckless and you can't afford mistakes cause no one is there to back you up. He doesn't want to fight like that anymore but with the rest of his team.

TrueKnight
2009-05-19, 10:37
Well, he tells them to go back in ep 7 when they come to his help and provide a ride back with a messed up sword. His confidence is outstanding for good reason but his situation wasn't very bright just before they arrived. And I don't think that he could just walk all the way back to a city that's hastily moving away from him as Felli informed earlier.

Well actually by mentioning ep 5 and ep 7 I was focusing more on his ‘intention through action’ rather than ‘he could’ve pwn by himself’, which was ‘willing defend the city against all odds and saving all his friends’, therefore considered as ‘good’.

As for ep 9, he doesn't feel regret and he also projects that he doesn't see any interest in martial arts other than self-defense. He doesn't have the pride that's being taught to students of Czellni, we just saw another instance of that in ep 19 when the president told him why they rode to their apparent doom willingly.

Well his goal for becoming an HB was to obtain money, its part of his ‘survival’ instinct. The ‘pride’ that Zuellni’s soldiers have may differ from Grendan’s martial discipline which is ‘you have keep on fighting to win, if you stop, you die’.

Still, he's currently considering the survival idea as 'surviving together with his friends' nowadays. In fact, that may have always been the case, trading the pride of his job to provide his friends in the orphanage.

This. I agree on this entirely and this is what I meant. The ‘surviving together with friends’ has always been his philosophy right from the start and it didn’t happen after he arrive in Zuellni.

Now the question raised here is how he does it. Lawful or unlawful? Good or bad?.

Back in Grendan he thought of his orphanage and to survive they needed money. So no matter what the paths are, he’d do it be it how ‘unlawful’ or ‘bad’ might it seems, just if he could get the money. Resulting of him being exiled and deemed as a criminal and nearly received capital punishment if it weren’t for the amnesty given by the Queen. His intentions were good but it’s the way he exercised them.

Now in Zuellni, his philosophy is still there, but because of his teammates (he used on fighting alone)… and someone who will keep him in check all the time aka none other than our captain, he has to do his ‘survival’ philosophy in a ‘lawful’ and ‘good’ way.

Nevertheless, his mindset until now imho remains about ‘survival’. It’s his character. It pretty much depends on how the influence of his surrounding will affect him in the end. What Nina can do right now is injecting so much love…..I mean influence as many as possible so Layfon will be kept in check.

I forget what episode it was...it was one of the most recent ones (where Haia and his group is fighting too) but Layfon brought out the rest of 17 and told them that next time he wants to fight with them. Because the way he fights is just reckless and you can't afford mistakes cause no one is there to back you up. He doesn't want to fight like that anymore but with the rest of his team.

His survival has always been with his friends, be it in Grendan, or Zuellni. And it’s in ep 17.

Damn I feel so guilty for promoting Nina.. >_<;

-Sho-
2009-05-19, 10:51
I rewatch the end when Layfon take off his helmet and scream "TAICHOUUUUUUUUUUU" and I can stop laughing XD

Dam Dog
2009-05-19, 13:29
My personal take on Felli's personality:

It's a combination of the various things mentioned. She's a little spoiled, yeah, but I think most of her detachment is a result of a certain unwillingness/inability to form social bonds. I mean, if YOU met a person whose face was partially paralyzed, who generally spoke in monotone, you'd probably be a little weirded out too.

Further, she defies her brother (or so she sees it) every time she doesn't perform up to snuff. Selfish, yes, but can you blame her? She doesn't see it as being selfish because it's just practice (I seem to recall it being mentioned somewhere that in both the practice sessions shown her score was EXACTLY the same, hinting at purposeful under performance.) She obviously knows that if the real thing comes along she can handle it. She does do quite a number of the mutant thingy.

I would say her main problem prior to Fonfon's arrival was arrogance. Her line of thought was, "I don't need to practice or build friendship with my platoon, because I'm so good I can win the battle on my own." Seeing Fonfon's various performances probably knocked her down a peg or two in her own eyes.

She even went to go and get a job, at a MAID CAFE. (I'm pretty sure that occured post-Fonfon's arrival, as the costume change hints that she's only been there a short time, as well as her brother coming to check up on her.)

She 'comes out of her shell' for a variety of reasons. Her bond with Layfon caused her to, I think, open up to the other platoon members as well. Even if it's mostly just to form a rivalry with Nina, she quite clearly doesn't hate the Captain. She was even willing to form an anti-Meishin alliance, even if it rapidly fell to pieces over the potato peeler. I think Sharnid did that on purpose :p

Finally, I suspect she's also a little lazy. She's using only as much of her power as she has to, as evidenced by the fact that she can KICK THROUGH A BUNKER WALL DESIGNED TO STOP FILTH MONSTERS when she gets mad. Clearly the girl as power, but she generally limits herself to acting as a sort of organic cell phone.

Further, she's got the MOST overprotective/manipulative brother ever. I mean, really, the guy tried to kidnap/molest Fonfon.
(Maybe he's jealous of Felli? :eyebrow:)

Anyway, it is further clear that Felli knows when to put aside the romance and act. During battles she's focused on helping the team. She MAY be concentrating more on Fonfon, but she's got concentration to spare, as evidenced by the fact that she can manipulate the thoughts and actions of a filth monster in mid-leap, when said filth monster's system is flooded with whatever the filth monster equivalent of adrenaline is.

Lastly, I don't think that she's trying to play 'queen' of the school. If she was, she'd have a horde of followers, admirers and would be dating Sharnid (mild sarcasm there). While she's popular for her looks, I don't recall that she's ever been approached with a proposition for a romantic dinner, trip to the movies or any of that.

She is, apparently, quite friendless outside of the platoon. Mostly, I think, prior to Fonfon's arrival, she just wanted to be left alone.

Oh well, tl;dr, STOP PICKING ON FELLI :frustrated:
:D

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 14:16
As I said, I don't like her but I still want her to get a grip. Even if I don't especially like them, the less annoying characters, the better a watching experience.

As you said, she's spoiled, she doesn't care about others one bit, she doesn't put any effort, she doesn't try to get close to others, she's jealous, she tried to influence others into passiveness so that they'd remain as a lazy bums platoon. As for the maid cafe, IIRC she just wanted to earn enough so she can dump free martial arts course.

Her troubles are practically non-existent compared to pretty much everybody out there. She lives for free, doesn't need to put her life on the line due to her profession, has hereditary high-level powers, her brother is the boss of the whole city, had no bad past experiences. Her position is as close as it can get to a princess. Compared to a certain someone who nearly died trying to save a fairy as a kid, she got nothing to whine about. Getting impaled by a steel rod after a long fall at like age 10 can be so traumatic that it could be a just excuse to destroy the whole world in another anime. So apparently, strong people can get over even serious traumas. Felli apparently had none and acts like the whole world wronged her over and over.

She may get over herself after this, as the Layfon door just closed. It was her whole drive until now. I guess we'll find out soon enough if she's willing to change. Till now, she was just playing along to Layfon. Now she's got her chance to prove me wrong. :)

Manji Midou
2009-05-19, 15:40
:heh:

If it isn't Mr. Midou, the most vocal anti-Felli spokesman? Sir, are you by any chance a light-pole who has mastered typing? If that is the case then I can rationalize your distinct disliking for this spunky loli. The atrocities this loli has committed against all the unfortunate light-pole that were there at the wrong place at the wrong time is just unimaginable. I can perfectly empathize why you would like to be so vocal against someone such as Felli in behalf of your fellow light-poles. Anyone would lose it if a light-pole lying down helplessly, broken from the base with toe prints still intact, splinters hanging out grotesquely as it collects moisture and dust to attract all kinds of fungi and green moss. The horror.

Sir, let me know if I can ever do anything for you. I'll even go as far as putting coat of pink paint on your thick exterior. And I promise that won't use anything but a brush and apply the gentlest of strokes to coat you with pink. :D

Always enjoy your take on Felli. :)


l lol'ed.
What can I say that was an enjoyable good read there kind sir....l will take up on ur offer if you make it purple....instead of pink :heh:
On my defense l must say though....l have tried my hardest to like fellis...her character design appeals to me....l love her voice seiyuu....it's just her personality that irks me the wrong way and the constant needless praise she gets even though she is as useless as mei....but unlike fellis mei is at least an enjoyment to watch.:heh:


Oh well, tl;dr, STOP PICKING ON FELLI

l did not know pointing out her MAJOR flaws was picking on her....so l think you are asking for the impossible....

And the most vocal anti-Fatina spokeman *Points finger*
..........
:::bites finger off::: :heh:

addict2anime
2009-05-19, 16:34
Mehhhh there's no point in asking him to stop he's going to continue anyway ^,..,^ we all have characters we don't like. I for one abhor Nina o-o, i think she's a whiny prideful annoying duncehead at most times; I don't know why but the righteous people in the animes always drive me in sane cuz most of the time they really can't do n e thing anyway but they go bllah blah blah x...x o well at least she has goat-san now... though i wonder how long she's gonna survive with goat-san within her ~.~

I think we all need episodes where everyones past is shown when they're like 10ish. Honestly all we know about Felli is that she was desired for her power throughout her whole life. As this is fiction.. we have no idea if n e thing "traumatizing" also happened to her probablyy not a pole through the back i'm thinkin more on the lines on sis-con/rape thingie.. ew T,..,T Oh god mei.. how is she an enjoyment to watch O_O all she does is squeal and BLUSH gah u might as well watch Sharnid's fan girls for that >,<

willyvereb
2009-05-19, 16:47
If somewhat realy traumatising happened it's probably shows scars(on the heart)... If something terrible happened to her then she don't act like a princess probably. Not to mention if something terrible happened her in the past the anime could've already used that(or at least foreshadowed it). If not then it's just a made up thing just to make the viewers emphatise with her more. So i doubt it. The only one i can imagine with a traumatising past other than Nina is Leerin, but she can't remember it. Somehow it passes with her mystery-ridden character.
Meishen can do other than that. She really tried and tries even now to help Layfon but she knows she can't really. Not to mention her blush's temperature is OVER 9000!:p

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 16:59
I've tried to discuss with Felli fans who hated Nina on another forum, they were telling pretty much the same stuff. After a couple of days they stopped posting. :heh:
l have tried my hardest to like fellis...her character design appeals to me....l love her voice seiyuu....it's just her personality that irks me the wrong way and the constant needless praise she gets even though she is as useless as mei....but unlike fellis mei is at least an enjoyment to watch.:heh::
Well, everything about her ticks me off, down to the character design. But I guess it appeals to many people to such an extent that they somehow think she has a good reason for being a burden on society, I just didn't see anyone who could explain it rationally so far. Those fans I mentioned above were all posting pictures with just :3 following. I just don't get it to be honest, heh.

If Felli was half as useful and good-natured as Fatina, I could understand. Heck, Fatina looked gorgeous at the very least and was more than a glorified GSM antenna/thermal scanner.

Meh, the president should just place Nina, Harvey and Layfon to a decent squad. Let the lazy bums idle around all day long me says. Everyone happy. :p

Narona
2009-05-19, 17:13
..........
:::bites finger off::: :heh:

You dare doing that to a lady...

The anti-Felli fans are mean :o

*Breaks Manji Midou's leg* Felli style :heehee:

addict2anime
2009-05-19, 17:53
Well it seems the felli and nina fans are just as stubborn as the actual characters ;x Our biased views have deemed the other character useless and pathetic in our brains! o well not like i care my views aren't gonna change *sharpens blade* i'm more than prepared for war n e way :P

willyvereb
2009-05-19, 17:54
The thing even more surprising...the antifellism only showed up after ep 18-19. I mean publically...until that no one ever dared to badmouth her.I hope it's don't start to fly out of hand.I don't want another fight like the Ranka vs Sheryl , Haruka vs Mitsuki, Noe vs Hiromi one or anything other. Not to mention this is an anime where the romance plays only in a subtle way(so it's more like the Inoue vs Rukia fight...just the thought sounds even worse)

Lunarwitch
2009-05-19, 18:04
As I said, I don't like her but I still want her to get a grip. Even if I don't especially like them, the less annoying characters, the better a watching experience.

As you said, she's spoiled, she doesn't care about others one bit, she doesn't put any effort, she doesn't try to get close to others, she's jealous, she tried to influence others into passiveness so that they'd remain as a lazy bums platoon. As for the maid cafe, IIRC she just wanted to earn enough so she can dump free martial arts course.

Her troubles are practically non-existent compared to pretty much everybody out there. She lives for free, doesn't need to put her life on the line due to her profession, has hereditary high-level powers, her brother is the boss of the whole city, had no bad past experiences. Her position is as close as it can get to a princess. Compared to a certain someone who nearly died trying to save a fairy as a kid, she got nothing to whine about. Getting impaled by a steel rod after a long fall at like age 10 can be so traumatic that it could be a just excuse to destroy the whole world in another anime. So apparently, strong people can get over even serious traumas. Felli apparently had none and acts like the whole world wronged her over and over.

She may get over herself after this, as the Layfon door just closed. It was her whole drive until now. I guess we'll find out soon enough if she's willing to change. Till now, she was just playing along to Layfon. Now she's got her chance to prove me wrong. :)

has nobody out there yet noticed, that Layfon and Felli are so similar to Train and Eve from Black Cat, the fact that Felli is so emotionless is just like the way Eve was in the series, even her looks remind me of Eve, if you look at Layfon closely, you can actually see Train, the difference being the way his hair is now and his eye colour.

getting back to what you said how can you say someone like Felli is spoiled and jealous, or doesn't care for others, and saying she will never be able get close to others around her. Because of her powers and she can not anyway, it interferes with who she is, yet layfon is binging all these feelings she has never felt before. and her bother knows, and he is not so happy about it, is he.

and yeah Nina did nearly die saving a baby fairy, but lets face it the main fairy repaid her with her own life. All debts repaid, what's so special about that, and the preview in episode 20 didn't show no concern at all, about the blue missing fairy.

willyvereb
2009-05-19, 18:17
Felli cares about her comrades...even if she tries to keep the distance. She'ssimilar to Layfon at a scary level. Born with extreme power, raised with that one way before her, later realises the possibility of other ways, forced to military arts,faking her performance. Tries to protect the ones close to her. The difference is her problems to show of her emotions and her princess-like attitude.
And I've said before the reason why she's somewhat rightfully holds back. She thinks even with her power there's no way to realy oppose a FM attack. She has zero interest in the inte-city match(or even negative, because if Zuellni loses it's last Selenium mine it slowly dies and the students forced to live=Felli's free from her brother)

TrueKnight
2009-05-19, 18:32
Well characterization is one thing but in overall combat usefulness and importance as military assets in Zuellni only Layfon and Felli would actually come on top. One is strategic nuke while the other is the radar manage on detecting enemies or targets from miles away. No one else in Zuellni are actually close to their level yet.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 18:34
The thing even more surprising...the antifellism only showed up after ep 18-19.
I just started watching last week and Felli hit the bottom for me at ep 5, never going back up. I patiently awaited for her past trauma excuse but that didn't come either and not even a foreshadowing of such a thing till now, so it won't happen it seems.

I was going to refrain myself from commenting on her but I guess I vented out my thoughts in between some other talk. :heh:

getting back to what you said how can you say someone like Felli is spoiled and jealous, or doesn't care for others, and saying she will never be able get close to others around her. Because of her powers and she can not anyway, it interferes with who she is, yet layfon is binging all these feeling she has never felt before. and her bother knows, and he is not so happy about it, is he.

and yeah Nina did nearly die saving a baby fairy, but lets face it the main fairy repaid her with her own life. All debts repaid, what's so special about that, and the preview in episode 20 didn't show no concern at all, about the blue missing fairy.
It appears that not every one of them psionics or whatsisnames are self-centered or without a care. Remember that guy from the mercenary company? He even has a mask and pretty much looks like a leper but he was quite friendly towards Latfon from the get go, not to mention that he became like that doing his job. He appears to have an even more unique ability, but didn't withhold it. Now that's some hardcore dedication and I admired him during the brief time he was onscreen. It's not like Felli's powers are draining her life force or something, there are people in way worse situations, holding out like that. I wonder what she would do if her face melted like that, heh.

Well, she was really going to die if the fairy didn't help. Benevolence is repaid with benevolence, it was the most compassionate moment we have seen in the whole series so far. A kid, with NO powers whatsoever, opposes an adult for what? A fairy, it's not even her family or friend. She saves it, gets thrown off a height brutally and she's just a child. And the fairy rewards her sacrifice with her own but what do we see? She doesn't want to be saved at such a cost, prefers rather dying! The affection and willpower was like OVER 9000! there. :twitch:

Then, having that moment as a milestone, she learns that righteousness needs might, as in 'might makes right'. And she dedicates her life to get stronger for that goal. She even rejects her wealth and safety later to go on a journey. A character hardly can get any more hardcore than that. :cool: To be honest, even Layfon's story felt rather weak for me after that.
Felli cares about her comrades...even if she tries to keep the distance. She'ssimilar to Layfon at a scary level. Born with extreme power, raised with that one way before her, later realises the possibility of other ways, forced to military arts,faking her performance. Tries to protect the ones close to her. The difference is her problems to show of her emotions and her princess-like attitude.
And I've said before the reason why she's somewhat rightfully holds back. She thinks even with her power there's no way to realy oppose a FM attack. She has zero interest in the inte-city match(or even negative, because if Zuellni loses it's last Selenium mine it slowly dies and the students forced to live=Felli's free from her brother)
Well, she proposed running from the city, not really a good way to show affection towards her comrades. Born with such a power, she'll have to fight wherever she goes. In a city like Czellni, her services are required and in a city like Grendan, she'll be forced to work as well. There's no escaping from it, as Layfon found out. So even if the city closes down, she'll eventually end up the same.

magnuskn
2009-05-19, 18:43
On my defense l must say though....l have tried my hardest to like fellis...her character design appeals to me....l love her voice seiyuu....it's just her personality that irks me the wrong way and the constant needless praise she gets even though she is as useless as mei....but unlike fellis mei is at least an enjoyment to watch.:heh:

Which is a bunch of BS. She is integral not only to the the 17th platoon, but as well to the entire city of Zuellni for her superb information gathering abilities. Her usefulness as a fighter is somewhat limited ( which surprises me somewhat, because as a combined teke and teep she should be frakking terrifying... I guess her powers just don´t work like, say, Jean Greys' or Cables' do ), but being able to get information on enemy positioning and composition is vital to any sort of military operation.

holyman282
2009-05-19, 18:45
I found Nina's backstory rather cliche to be honest. Nothing special about it. Certainly in context of the anime it seems great but I don't know, it just doesn't click. It was just a backstory I brushed aside as soon as I heard it.

addict2anime
2009-05-19, 18:53
Being dedicated is one thing but getting results on your own is another X)

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 19:07
With like, hereditary god-mode and zero effort? :p Power is not the same thing as strength, that's why anime is filled with powerful but weak characters.

Narona
2009-05-19, 19:13
With like, hereditary god-mode and zero effort? :p Power is not the same thing as strength, that's why anime is filled with powerful but weak characters.What he means, I think, is what i felt too.

Nina had strengh but was weak in comparison with Layfon and many other characters.

Instead of gaining more power by training (like layfon did when he was a kid), she got the magic-goat.

So, you will still find people who will say that Layfon and Nina are not the same on that matter.

It's a matter of taste. In my case, I would have preferred to see Nina gaining improving her strength/power by herself, like layfon did.

cheesie
2009-05-19, 19:14
Which is a bunch of BS. She is integral not only to the the 17th platoon, but as well to the entire city of Zuellni for her superb information gathering abilities. Her usefulness as a fighter is somewhat limited ( which surprises me somewhat, because as a combined teke and teep she should be frakking terrifying... I guess her powers just don´t work like, say, Jean Greys' or Cables' do ), but being able to get information on enemy positioning and composition is vital to any sort of military operation.

Magnus, I believe the issue focuses more on why people dislike Felli's personality, rather than trying to undermine her role, which is a legitimate discussion. ;)

Felli holds a critical position in the team, but I'm not sure if I agree that she utilizes that power as efficiently as the rest.

Does everyone agree with shifting this topic over to the Felli thread? :) After all, the thread encompasses all kinds of discussion related to Felli; it's not made for just praise. :)

TrueKnight
2009-05-19, 19:25
^The post magnuskn referring had the term 'useleness' involved which by far contradicts Felli's role in combat as seen in ep 5, 7, 8-10, 14, 17 and 19. She even managed to impress a veteran nen-I user as Fermaus (salinvan gang). That's hardly useless at all.

addict2anime
2009-05-19, 19:31
Her personality i think is the only unique one in this anime/novel/manga... everyone else is like... protect the city... more power.. all this optimistic stuff.... optimism... ew... Felli's quite blunt too :D theres nothing wrong with that. ^,..,^ It's nice to see someone confused with their life and not sure which course they should take because of the pepole surrounding them ;D Whereas you have the rest of the girls with their life long dreams.. and .... righteousness... squealing... and useless brains.... oo i'm ranting x.x

on terms of skill i think we all realize that Felli, if necessary will use her powers when she wants to, for example when she's pissed theres no stopping her ^,..,^ I think the power to search for things over 20km is quite useful... and so far her power isn't exactly the sheer force type its more of a think before you attack like an idiot type :D

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 19:33
What he means, I think, is what i felt too.

Nina had strengh but was weak in comparison with Layfon and many other characters.

Instead of gaining more power by training (like layfon did when he was a kid), she got the magic-goat.

So, you will still find people who will say that Layfon and Nina are not the same on that matter.

It's a matter of taste. In my case, I would have preferred to see Nina gaining improving her strength/power by herself, like layfon did.

We never saw any mention or indication of Nina possessing an extraordinary power as in, from birth, unlike Felli. It's her character that is strong, she's dedicated and tries to improve, but not via shortcuts like Dinn tried yet doesn't give up even if things get rough. Haikizoku possessing her wasn't her choice either.

As for Layfon and other Heaven's Blades, we are yet to be told why they're like Duke Nukem on steroids and everyone else look ultra-gimp compared to them. A 10-year old kid outperforming whole Czellni? Something is off there and Nina is apparently among the strongest of Czellni military artists, we saw that in both platoon fights and against monsters. And she reached that point with her own effort. We also don't know what else will Haikizoku will provide, she didn't use it like Dinn did so far, only involuntary warps.

On to the Felli's usefulness (!) matter: Nobody is denouncing her power, it's just that it's got nothing to do with her character. She can divide the Red Sea if she wants, she's still weak. With power, comes responsibility, as we all know. ;)

Lunarwitch
2009-05-19, 19:50
I just started watching last week and Felli hit the bottom for me at ep 5, never going back up. I patiently awaited for her past trauma excuse but that didn't come either and not even a foreshadowing of such a thing till now, so it won't happen it seems.

I was going to refrain myself from commenting on her but I guess I vented out my thoughts in between some other talk. :heh:

It appears that not every one of them psionics or whatsisnames are self-centered or without a care. Remember that guy from the mercenary company? He even has a mask and pretty much looks like a leper but he was quite friendly towards Latfon from the get go, not to mention that he became like that doing his job. He appears to have an even more unique ability, but didn't withhold it. Now that's some hardcore dedication and I admired him during the brief time he was onscreen. It's not like Felli's powers are draining her life force or something, there are people in way worse situations, holding out like that. I wonder what she would do if her face melted like that, heh.

Well, she was really going to die if the fairy didn't help. Benevolence is repaid with benevolence, it was the most compassionate moment we have seen in the whole series so far. A kid, with NO powers whatsoever, opposes an adult for what? A fairy, it's not even her family or friend. She saves it, gets thrown off a height brutally and she's just a child. And the fairy rewards her sacrifice with her own but what do we see? She doesn't want to be saved at such a cost, prefers rather dying! The affection and willpower was like OVER 9000! there. :twitch:

Then, having that moment as a milestone, she learns that righteousness needs might, as in 'might makes right'. And she dedicates her life to get stronger for that goal. She even rejects her wealth and safety later to go on a journey. A character hardly can get any more hardcore than that. :cool: To be honest, even Layfon's story felt rather weak for me after that.

Well, she proposed running from the city, not really a good way to show affection towards her comrades. Born with such a power, she'll have to fight wherever she goes. In a city like Czellni, her services are required and in a city like Grendan, she'll be forced to work as well. There's no escaping from it, as Layfon found out. So even if the city closes down, she'll eventually end up the same.

as the masked man said, he became like that, because he went outside the air filters without protection, because of his sense of smell for the filth monsters, his own sacrifice. Felli dose not process this gift, why should she, and also in episode 18 she was told not to use her psychokinesis powers, yet still she wanted to do this for Layfon, defying her brother knowing this could harm her, that was her sacrifice. In her own way she is doing what she feels is right and it's not a confession of love because she cannot put that feeling into words yet.

Shneibel the main electronic fairy sacrificed herself, that then stopped the whole city moving, doing this put everybody in side that city at risk, besides Nina didn't have to save that newborn fairy, as they were obsessively cloned. As the man said Shneibel was the only city that copied fairies.

Narona
2009-05-19, 19:51
We never saw any mention or indication of Nina possessing an extraordinary power as in, from birth, unlike Felli. It's her character that is strong, she's dedicated and tries to improve, but not via shortcuts like Dinn tried yet doesn't give up even if things get rough. Haikizoku possessing her wasn't her choice either.

As for Layfon and other Heaven's Blades, we are yet to be told why they're like Duke Nukem on steroids and everyone else look ultra-gimp compared to them. A 10-year old kid outperforming whole Czellni? Something is off there and Nina is apparently among the strongest of Czellni military artists, we saw that in both platoon fights and against monsters. And she reached that point with her own effort. We also don't know what else will Haikizoku will provide, she didn't use it like Dinn did so far, only involuntary warps.

On to the Felli's usefulness (!) matter: Nobody is denouncing her power, it's just that it's got nothing to do with her character. She can divide the Red Sea if she wants, she's still weak. With power, comes responsibility, as we all know. ;)

I didn't say anything about Felli. I wasn't doing any comparison. I don't post to try to prove that felli is better. I just point out what I feel about Nina. Nina felt weak in comparison to Layfon. And she was not even the strongest of Zelluni military artist (she was defeated by this tall guy when Layfon was still recovering at the hospital).

Yes, getting the goat wasn't her choice, but that's not Nina that I blame, but the plot. To make her stronger, the author chose to give her an external power. I dislike that, that makes her feel so weak to me. This is my right, right? I should have preferred her to become the strongest military artist by her own training.

About Layfon, I still think he doesn't use any special artefacts and stuff.

TrueKnight
2009-05-19, 20:00
Felli already grew as a character where she's willing to support her team, she participated in battle even without Layfon's presence in ep 16 and gave her support. Granted, they lost but the 17s were fighting against the ace of Zuellni that is the 1st platoon.

As for HBs I think they were born with their powers and you just couldnt simply obtain them through training. When Nina was still at her reckless self from ep 1 till 7 she trains like crazy but then realized she won't be able to reach Layfon's level no matter how hard she tried.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-19, 20:25
as the masked man said, he became like that, because he went outside the air filters without protection, because of his sense of smell for the filth monsters, his own sacrifice. Felli dose not process this gift, why should she, and also in episode 18 she was told not to use her psychokinesis powers, yet still she wanted to do this for Layfon, defying her brother knowing this could harm her, that was her sacrifice. In her own way she is doing what she feels is right and it's not a confession of love because she cannot put that feeling into words yet.

Shneibel the main electronic fairy sacrificed herself, that then stopped the whole city moving, doing this put everybody in side that city at risk, besides Nina didn't have to save that newborn fairy, as they were obsessively cloned. As the man said Shneibel was the only city that copied fairies.
What I was trying to tell was this: He had a unique, important power. He didn't back down, he didn't hesitate to use it. He didn't avoid his duty. Unlike Felli who tries to run away with any means possible. That's why the argument claiming she's self-centered due to her power doesn't make any sense. There are other people in her boots and they don't act like her.

Her love also looks like self-interest, she accused him before with being 'too kind-hearted'. Layfon's sake or for her hormones' sake, I cannot tell. And sacrifice requires actual damage to self, it doesn't happen when you just offer it. She proposed something that Layfon wouldn't accept and she got out of the ordeal losing nothing. Counting monster scales isn't really the same as getting impaled by a rod either. :rolleyes:

Well, people are getting produced every day all over the world, but you wouldn't turn your head when you see one getting abducted. A kid doing that and going against an adult is certainly not ordinary. And it's not like Nina jumped off to death to put the city into risk either. The thief made her fall.
I didn't say anything about Felli. I wasn't doing any comparison. I don't post to try to prove that felli is better. I just point out what I feel about Nina. Nina felt weak in comparison to Layfon. And she was not even the strongest of Zelluni military artist (she was defeated by this tall guy when Layfon was still recovering at the hospital).

Yes, getting the goat wasn't her choice, but that's not Nina that I blame, but the plot. To make her stronger, the author chose to give her an external power. I dislike that, that makes her feel so weak to me. This is my right, right? I should have preferred her to become the strongest military artist by her own training.

About Layfon, I still think he doesn't use any special artefacts and stuff.
I disagree and want to tell you why:

- Layton does his thing, helps people, receives a setback, (exile) he goes into emo comatose. He begins searching for a new path, but stays clueless until someone pulls him into a path.

- Nina does her thing, receives a setback (losing city match barely) but that only fuels her dedication. Enter the lazy bums platoon. She still stays motivated. (to be honest, I felt exhausted watching Sharnid & Felli trying to skip training etc) Several more setbacks here and there, she just keeps going, trying to adapt herself to the limit her personality allows.

Now this is what I mean with strength, it's not about Kei power, telepathy and cutting dragons in half. As for power, Layfon remains supreme naturally. BTW, that tall guy leads the whole military artist platoons and the strongest platoon, it's not like he's a wimp. :p

Yeah of course and I understand and feel similar. But with Savaris wanting the goat for himself, I don't know how things will go. Maybe they won't even have Nina use the goat's powers? But yes, I'd like her to be strong without shortcut as well.

And yeah, Layfon don't have any artifacts but it feels like he has an extraordinary power. Maybe his dad was Zeus or something, you know the limitless amounts of ways to inject god-mode into characters in anime. :heh: Since the Queen searches, rather than train HB members, there may be a certain pre-determined extraordinary condition on the people they enlist.

Felli already grew as a character where she's willing to support her team, she participated in battle even without Layfon's presence in ep 16 and gave her support. Granted, they lost but the 17s were fighting against the ace of Zuellni that is the 1st platoon.

As for HBs I think they were born with their powers and you just couldnt simply obtain them through training. When Nina was still at her reckless self from ep 1 till 7 she trains like crazy but then realized she won't be able to reach Layfon's level no matter how hard she tried.
It looked like she was merely putting on an act to impress Layfon. As I said before, we should probably see her true colors after 'the hug'. I'm not betting on either but she makes me feel that way due to her "if it's you, it's ok onii-cha.." ehem, "Layfon" mindset.

Agreed on HB powers.

Lunarwitch
2009-05-19, 21:17
Well, people are getting produced every day all over the world, but you wouldn't turn your head when you see one getting abducted. A kid doing that and going against an adult is certainly not ordinary. And it's not like Nina jumped off to death to put the city into risk either. The thief made her fall.

Wow i did not realized i was living in such a man made factory, i thought it took nine months for someone to give birth to a baby, they are not being produced like the fairy's, that they copy. No she didn't jump herself, it just happen that way.

Who is saying felli's love is all one sided, it looks to me that she can not understand her feelings herself, because till now, she never had any, this could explain why she is the way, she is now. After all girls are not as strong as boys. Nina's trying to be as strong as Layfon is just impossible, all she can do is moan and stating she hated him after finding out what he did in the past. also when was it that all the girls had to go and fight a war? if that was the case most of us would not be here today.

Slick_rick
2009-05-19, 21:59
Wow i did not realized i was living in such a man made factory, i thought it took nine months for someone to give birth to a baby, they are not being produced like the fairy's, that they copy. No she didn't jump herself, it just happen that way.

Well babies are delivered each day and its certainly not an uncommon occurrence. Just because a baby takes nine months doesn't mean the value of it's life is any more or less. If a baby is clone then does that mean it's life holds less values than one born "naturally"? You seem to want to downplay what Nina did. It doesn't matter if the fairies are cloned or not as they are alive so valuing their lives any less doesn't make any sense to me. Unless you're trying to imply that fairies lives in general don't mean anything?

Who is saying felli's love is all one sided, it looks to me that she can not understand her feelings herself, because till now, she never had any, this could explain why she is the way, she is now. After all girls are not as strong as boys. Nina's trying to be as strong as Layfon is just impossible, all she can do is moan and stating she hated him after finding out what he did in the past. also when was it that all the girls had to go and fight a war? if that was the case most of us would not be here today.

I'll certainly say her love is one-sided. She got rejected last episode and only has more waiting for her in the future if she continues to pursue him. Nina tries her hardest no matter what others think off her or what obstacles get in her way. That's why I like about her. She doesn't let stereotypes stop her. You may be right but "after all girls aren't as smart as boys" either.;) Or at least that what some might want us to believe.

addict2anime
2009-05-19, 23:03
Hey i'm a girl and I think that girls are actually smarter but thats besides the point. Felli wasn't exactly rejected... for all we kno fon fon didn't want her to get hurt... Fon fon hasn't caused Felli to disappear the way he kinda indrectly made Nina dispappear for a while... I think we all realize by now that Nina only uses her guts to take action its all instinct... while if Felli actually does take action she actually uses her brain unlike the rest of the dam characters.

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 00:12
It's just that in CSR not everyone born super genius at training. It's ridiculous that almost in every fighting shonen the characters learning an extra skill in a matter of weeks(if not shorter). In CSR we have Layfon the ultimate fighting genius who don't need any kind of training. Felli who already bron strong relucant to use her powers. And at last Nina who's a promising talent, but seemingly nothing extreme she has an almost unshakeable will and determination, but perhaps in real world it's not even nearly enough to reach Layfon's level. The Haikizokou possession a whole lot better choice as power up than the classical legendary mentor, mad sel-training, sudden revelation or anything classical Shounen power up. It has it's own drawbacks, a plot connected to it and it's absolutely not purely just a benefit to her.
Actually Nina was(and is) usefull in the platoon too. She made the tacrtics and strategies at fights and as an extra she's "Layfon's handler".

manga852
2009-05-20, 00:21
not sure id call a person who's trying to find their own path in life self centered i think that's just being human at least one that likes to exercise their freedoms, if felli seem self centered the its nothing more than the tsund vibe.

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 00:37
Well...everyone wants to find their own way of life, but somone must consider the others...if she posesses a great power then it's selfishness to not use it for others. Felli hardly knows anything she could do except the work of a psychokinetist. Luckyly Layfon turns her to the good way.

TrueKnight
2009-05-20, 00:47
^ Well it depends. Does CSR world actually appreciates socialist, capitalist, individualist, or mixed and do they recognize freedom of right? In a no man's land like Regios' world each or either way could apply though. >_>

Slick_rick
2009-05-20, 02:20
Hey i'm a girl and I think that girls are actually smarter but thats besides the point. Felli wasn't exactly rejected... for all we kno fon fon didn't want her to get hurt... Fon fon hasn't caused Felli to disappear the way he kinda indrectly made Nina dispappear for a while... I think we all realize by now that Nina only uses her guts to take action its all instinct... while if Felli actually does take action she actually uses her brain unlike the rest of the dam characters.

A Felli and Layfon pairing just isn't going to happen. She's been the most forward but in the end he's still much more closer to Nina in all the ways that matter. Her part in this story is just for angst. She's just not his type. What is his type? Isn't obvious?
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww53/Sei-sama_Album/Ninass0000.pnghttp://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww53/Sei-sama_Album/leerins0000.png That's right! He's an assman! I can certainly tell my own kind apart.:D This is a lost battle for our poor little underdeveloped Felli.

She uses her brain? I think has actions are more dictated by a much lower body part. She'll just need to scratch that itch herself because Layfon isn't interested.:heh:

All I see Felli as is the sacrificial lamb to be offered up at the altar of unrequited love for my viewing pleasure. I like tragedy so I'll be enjoy the experience but others might feel more sad for her, either way her purpose in the show will be fulfilled.

zibi88
2009-05-20, 02:27
Anyway Nina was weak !! I mean she was not able to hold the goat power by herself...... little fairy Zerenii was holding that control of the haikizoku for Nina... yet she reached her limit and so Nina was about to get consumed by goat-chan.... Nina was not capable of holding haikizoku in her body............ the only reason she is stable now is becouse of LEERIN !! and her useing Saya's power (dont know if it has risk's on her own body) to calm down that haikizoku

Leerin is stronger becouse she is holding the whole spirit orgin.... the most powerfull spirit in existance in her body..... and thx to Leerin alone Nina was not consumed by goat-chan........ so I personaly hope she will at least thank her if they meet at Zerenii.......and not go around the city proud that she was so strong able to keep up the goat in cheeck (that would make her selfish bit.....)

but seriously Nina's power up is kinda hmmm off here... she done nothing to gain it.... and even stabilazing was not her own work at all (but first zerenii and later completly leerin with sayas power) while Layfon was training his ass off from very yougn age and to gain that power he stopped thinking about himself as a human... he is thinking about himself as a monster and that is a little cruel reality he abondoned the thinking that he is human in order to gain power throught hard work.... and nina done nothing and becouse she was jelous of Layfons trained power she got an power up for free without doing a shit about trying to control it by her own will (gain power for free without doing anything.... gain control of the haikizoku in her body for free with leerins help....)

Anyway I dont like situations where a character gets a power up out from ass... without doing a shit about it....... if somone is training himself and is only focused on it and so in that way he gets better control over new skills than its ok (even Felli trys to gain better control over her powers and gains motivation for trying harder becouse of Layfons influance......... but nina got just jelous of Layfons power [not knowing what hell he had to go throught to gain it] and that was her main objective to reach layfon from pure jelousy and anger [why he is so strong and im so weak attitude] )

And well that last line kinda confirms even Leerin herself.....I mean Leerin was the one that teached to Nina that the person [in reality Layfon but she doesnt know about it for now] is trying his hardest to make other peoples smiles on their face's yet Nina was the only one that was jelous and didnt understand Layfon at all.... was still sulky, angry, with jelous eyes when she sees how strong he is..... and that made Layfon sad [he is trying his best but in the end he makes nina sad].......... so Nina is worse than a child >__< she cant understand the surroundings by her own... and others need to teach her stuff she should know about it (damn Layfon and Leerin are 15years old... while Nina is 18 or 19 years olf...... so those kids are teaching Nina their sempai about things >__< )


Anyway I cant wait for the moment of Leerin and Layfon reunion... (and face expressions of other girls for that scene :P) the same cant wait for Leerin learning that Nina is in Layfons squad and so the person she was talking about back then was Layfon :P (here both will learn that they are rivals over Layfon ^^) anyway I hope Layfon will end up with Leerin she done way more for Layfon (and for Nina too...) than Nina [all she did was beign angry for him becouse of her weak understand ability] ^^

I wonder if there is a picture in novel that shows that weapon that leerin is bringing to Layfon.... I know its mostly a katana-like dite since its from psyharden skills but I wonder about the look...

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 04:03
Weak? Actually even amongst the HB recievers there's only a few who can contain a Haikizokou and supress it's will(perhaps they can resist fairly well...as it happened with Layfon. That's why the goat choose another target).
Leerin is holding in a spirit too. But that spirit not even have the intention to possess/control her and she rarely shows herself(Leerin wasn't aware of her for 15 years!). A Haikizokou is an angry and powerfull spirit that possesses and uses peoples as mere vessels to accomplish it's revenge. So Saya and the Goat is totally different.
As i said CSR's plot more real. You can't contain something so powerfull as the Haikizokou with mere willpower. Zuellni guided Nina there to ask help from Saya. And that shitty training meme again. Do you realise that you can't get better in a short time with just purely training? Nina improved a LOT compared to her old self at Ep 1(even Dixerio aknownledges that...our all-knowingly Dixerio). Perhaps she still unable to do the impossible. That's why many people hates Nina. They're stating their faulty inhuman standards of the classic fighting shonen mangas for her( Where one year worth of training improves your power level by ten times!)
I know many people wants stories full of untouchable perfect HEROES, but CSR is far from that kind of story. Nina is a prime example for that.

hope assasin
2009-05-20, 04:26
Weak? Actually even amongst the HB recievers there's only a few who can contain a Haikizokou and supress it's will

Where that information comes from ?

MUAHAHAHAHAHA
2009-05-20, 04:30
Just finished watching this episode and I must say this episode made me LOL so hard. The reunion scene is done so dramatically and the somewhat corny background music had me rolling on the floor laughing. I think I watched that part for like dozens of times. I could not care less about the pairings in this show, because I am watching it for the sole purpose of action. But if Layfon hook up with someone, that would be good too. Be it a girl, girls or certain guys, I wish him all the best.

That scene will keep this thread and the other thread busy for a while.

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 04:31
The thing that even Layfon gone berserk thanks to the Haikizokou...Light Novels. The Haikizokou has an extremely strong willpower and a power that only comparable to a HB reciever. Raw Power alone or Willpower alone not enough for it. Nina lacks at raw power while Layfon at willpower.

hope assasin
2009-05-20, 04:52
sorry i don't now this detail i read novel only to 5 ch

blewin
2009-05-20, 05:17
Just finished watching this episode and I must say this episode made me LOL so hard. The reunion scene is done so dramatically and the somewhat corny background music had me rolling on the floor laughing. I think I watched that part for like dozens of times. I could not care less about the pairings in this show, because I am watching it for the sole purpose of action. But if Layfon hook up with someone, that would be good too. Be it a girl, girls or certain guys, I wish him all the best.

That scene will keep this thread and the other thread busy for a while.

lol, it was pretty much an overkill for that scene to be made with flower petals - ok, Layfon's weapon that spreads out and down like flower petals or threads of beautiful light - around a globe of light (hang on, now that reminds me, it's a PINK globe of light. Adds to the romantic element, doesn't it?).

Westlo
2009-05-20, 05:23
I don't want another fight like the Ranka vs Sheryl , Haruka vs Mitsuki, Noe vs Hiromi one or anything other

But Felli wouldn't be comparable to either one of them... she would be the Brera, Akane or Aiko of the series *whistles*

Ultramarinus
2009-05-20, 06:58
Willy and Rick gave very good replies, so I'm not repeating mostly the same things. But a couple of things I should add.

@Lunarwitch:

Fairies for all that can be discerned, look like they're very much alive beings. Also they're the lifeline for remaining humans. The series pretty much revolves around saving, protecting or finding them. Also the installed 'womb' by all means doesn't sound like a mere replicator. So I have to say you're just speculating something which a kid at that age wouldn't know anyway.

This is a work of fiction, what's more, it's a fantasy world. Sorry but there's no racial supremacy there. For all that matters, a girl can lift a mountain if it's given an explanation. There's something called Kei here. After all, in real world, silver haired guys cannot take out elephant sized animals with a mere punch. There's nothing to say that Nina cannot be the most powerful entity of the story if given a logical reason.

@addict2anime:
Her advances were flat out rejected, not that I really care but it's the truth. Nina is a tactician and squad leader, which is a pretty intelligence-requiring position that cannot be handled by the grunts. Felli on the other hand is driven solely by her crush and acts based on emotions like laziness, irresponsibility and self-centrism. Anything good she tries to do is to get on Layfon's good side.

@Trueknight:
Military service doesn't look like forced recruitment but we saw the lengths that can be gone like the president. It's a dog-eat-dog world and personal freedom probably can be bent if required.

@zibi88:
Sorry but a bit too much altering the facts there to fuel your post. Let's start:

- As said above, the haikizoku will drive the person in it crazy over time. We saw how Dinn got wasted by it pretty much instantly. It's kind of like the Venom symbiotic alien from Spider-man, it has its own will and consume yours.

- Yeah, Leerin has a power because the writer just told she had. How interesting.. :rolleyes: Power =/= strength. Birth given powers by themselves show no strength of the character. IF the character trains hard to utilize their full potential, then that's something else.

- Uh, I guess you totally forgot about like, 19 episodes? Nina's the most hard-working character of the series along with Layfon. And she didn't have the haikizoku possess her by her own will, the goat went ahead and did it himself.

- As for the 'power-up from ass' comment, Felli is the last person to be commended on that respect. Has god-mode from birth and still refrains from using it just because she wants to go play around. If she demonstrates her full potential, she will have to work, like you know, normal people. Oh, the poor princess.. :rolleyes:

- The jealousy thing, that's something I really cannot understand. Say, do you people get jealous when you see your close buddy using a cool gadget, find a good job or a love partner? When you want to get those with your own effort, hurting nobody else, would that be called jealousy? Nina saw her friend strong and she wanted to get stronger, so that she can keep up. It's obvious that such a power gap would cause troubles in a squad, it's like placing Solid Snake into a newbie squad. The rest needs to get better and Nina also begins taking advice from Layfon on that, instead of rejecting. So she's not acting out of pride or jealousy.

- Nina was upset because Layfon didn't use god-mode when people were fighting for their lives around him. He rather offered to crawl into some hole to hide. Got a good rebuttal from Nina and got his act together later. If I were Nina, I'd give him a good punch on ep 5. They're not playing paintball there.

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 07:08
But Felli wouldn't be comparable to either one of them... she would be the Brera, Akane or Aiko of the series *whistles*
That pretty harsh!:p
You mean Felli has no chance from the beginning and she remains the eternal Dark Horse?Cause everyone(maybe except Brera, who got a real chance until the siblings thing) is that cathegory. I hope she don't fall to the level of Tatsuki Arisawa(the only side character at "main romance" i can think of in Bleach. She's pretty much forgotten)

Ultramarinus
2009-05-20, 07:21
Tatsuki is probably Chekhov's gunman and is actually fun to watch. :)

TrueKnight
2009-05-20, 07:32
I can’t believe all of this Felli being commended not being helpful at all when the facts stated otherwise as we’ve already seen. What or why caused her to do that is a different issue altogether. What already happened:

- Helped Layfon detected the mother FM in ep 5 where other squads or ppl couldn’t do crap.
- Saved the girl trio at ep 4.
- Giving surveillance on the bugs in ep 7 from miles away, making the FM;s noticing the bait aka Nina, exhausting herself in the process;
- Giving support in ep 8 and until 10 to the squad.
- Giving support and inform the squad about the Haikizoku in ep 14;
- Giving support in ep 16 to the squad without Layfon;
- Recording the battlefield in ep 17;
- Giving surveillance to Layfon at ep 18; and finally
- Located Zuellni and Nina in ep 19;

What caused her to do all the above? Maybe Layfon, maybe she had changed herself and willing to help others. All the above are her achievements that already occurred.

I like Nina but after seeing all the negative post about Felli without considering that Nina’s also at fault on some cases really tempted me to list all the errors she had made and bicker them to no end.

Fevvers
2009-05-20, 07:45
I like Nina but after seeing all the negative post about Felli without considering that Nina’s also at fault on some cases really tempted me to list all the errors she had made and bicker them to no end.

O RLY? The criticisms Felli has been getting here (which some has given valid reasons for, mind you) from very few posters is not even a fraction of the irrational bashing Nina got through out the entire run of the series.

Hoo boy, opinions! :rolleyes:

TrueKnight
2009-05-20, 07:54
Alright then let’s talk about some of the few negative traits about Nina:

- Made the most contributions on Zuellni losing one of its mines 2 years prior.
- Selfishly forcing Layfon to change his philosophy when she basically was living in a idealistic whereas Layfon is pragmatic;
- Advising Layfon not to subdue Dinn Dee when Kallian and Haia insisted otherwise;
- Didn’t do crap in ep 14 and just watching;
- Getting herself all beaten up and didn’t take Sheena’s advice in ep 16 because she was overestimating herself;
- She was asked by Layfon to check on Zuellni, she did, and found the Haikizoku and possessed being teleported to Myath along with Zuellni’s fairy. Ultimately in a strategic PoV for the city, she had failed, horribly. Zuellni was gone and the city becomes vulnerable to FM’s attacks.

Seriously, what made platoon 17 or even Zuellni so special? It’s not Nina, the star players are Layfon and Felli all along.

Wargumm1i
2009-05-20, 07:56
Zuellni will win the city match right? lol.

Tyrone Biggums
2009-05-20, 08:10
What episode is that City match in? Anyone know...next ep or we going to have to wait a few weeks...

Ultramarinus
2009-05-20, 08:15
I can’t believe all of this Felli being commended not being helpful at all when the facts stated otherwise as we’ve already seen. What or why caused her to do that is a different issue altogether. What already happened:

- Helped Layfon detected the mother FM in ep 5 where other squads or ppl couldn’t do crap.
- Saved the girl trio at ep 4.
- Giving surveillance on the bugs in ep 7 from miles away, making the FM;s noticing the bait aka Nina, exhausting herself in the process;
- Giving support in ep 8 and until 10 to the squad.
- Giving support and inform the squad about the Haikizoku in ep 14;
- Giving support in ep 16 to the squad without Layfon;
- Recording the battlefield in ep 17;
- Giving surveillance to Layfon at ep 18; and finally
- Located Zuellni and Nina in ep 19;

What caused her to do all the above? Maybe Layfon, maybe she had changed herself and willing to help others. All the above are her achievements that already occurred.

I like Nina but after seeing all the negative post about Felli without considering that Nina’s also at fault on some cases really tempted me to list all the errors she had made and bicker them to no end.

My good sir, first of all, there's nobody denouncing Felli's power, whereas some keep screaming that "nina is weak!11" stuff, disregarding the fact that she got no hereditary powers unlike the people she's compared with. And yeah, some very absurd claims like "nina's jealous!11" while she wants the power to save others. As kafka pointed out, I've seen so baseless arguments that try to cling on made up facts.

And I don't like Felli because all the things you said she did, was to impress and get on Layfon's good side. Before she fell in love, she tried to sabotage the team from inside. She even tried to prevent Layfon's awakening. I don't find selfishness a charming trait for someone on protagonist's team, would be another matter if she was a villain.

Maybe she changed and really want to help others? We shall see, based on how she acts after 'the hug'. We have no concrete evidence so far but I doubt it, seeing how she was trying to hook up Layfon during Nina's absence. A concerned friend would rather act on her own to find Nina without offering it as a love confession to Layfon. And also, when she begrudgingly remarked that "go and search for Nina if you have the time", she looked as she regretted to say that when Layfon left to do exactly that. By all means, that came across as gauging his interest on Nina to me. It feels as if she couldn't care less for anyone other than Layfon.

I want her to prove that she's redeemed and not selfish anymore, just acting all nice till you get your allowance from daddy isn't the same as doing it out of the goodness of your heart. Not to mention that most of your list consists of her duty, Sharnid, Harley is doing their stuff as well. She's still holding back unless it's not to save Layfon.

TrueKnight
2009-05-20, 08:28
And I don't like Felli because all the things you said she did, was to impress and get on Layfon's good side

I know man, but she did it nevertheless. A lot of people and lives were saved because of her using her powers. Nina on the other hand didn’t have the god-like powers like Layfon and Felli’s. So she was being useful by properly command and utilizing them. But without them she’s just the same as all platoon grunts leader in the Regios world, nothing special. Now that she has the Haikizoku she’ll be target by the Ignus and somewhat that’ll made her central to the whole plot.

seeing how she was trying to hook up Layfon during Nina's absence. A concerned friend would rather act on her own to find Nina without offering it as a love confession to Layfon. And also, when she begrudgingly remarked that "go and search for Nina if you have the time", she looked as she regretted to say that when Layfon left to do exactly that. By all means, that came across as gauging his interest on Nina to me. It feels as if she couldn't care less for anyone other than Layfon.

But what about Nina?

Layfon got hurt in ep 15 because of the bridge falling and in ep 16 what was she thinking? The platoon match, not his subordinate’s well being but rather his powers and the effect for the squad. No wonder Felli always detest for being used because of people like her and Kallian who treated them as tools rather than human being. I guess that’s the ‘curse’ of having great power comes with big responsibilities.

I mean come on. Nina was all reckless in ep 1 – 7 but because of Layfon she changed to be a better squad leader and a captain from ep 7 onwards. Felli from I don’t care and don’t want to use my powers I don’t give a crap to anybody but because of Layfon finally willing did all the efforts I mention above.

It’s their character growths, but it’s not all without fault. Felli as you said is still being too dependent on Layfon to defining her character, while Nina depending to Layfon just for his powers. Nina finally snapped and maybe also Felli in the future.

Lets just sit back and enjoy their character grow because of Layfon and maybe we can have a harem.

Fevvers
2009-05-20, 08:39
One of my main gripes with Felli was her constant Layfonism, outside of her obsession with Layfon, what else does she have in her mind? Her volatile relationship with her brother and defiance to being used as a weapon could have been interesting, but let's be honest here, the anime has done very little to tackle that. She's just there to be... cute and a token love interest, and that's simply not a very fascinating place to be.

I'm still hoping things would change, that the show would stop making her whole world revolve around some guy, but considering it has already been 19 episodes, some doubts are completely unavoidable.

And, no, before some overzealous Felli-fan come ripping my throat, I was not criticizing her effectiveness in battle; she's a godsue, nothing more to say about that. Her reasons for using those powers are a different thing entirely. I have no problem with some selfishness on her part, especially with the whole ‘being used thing’, but when her only reason for fighting is for her twu wub, that sort of submissiveness is irksome and is in desperate need of some development.

aliasxn
2009-05-20, 08:49
That Layfon x Nina moment felt weird, they weren't even that close to miss each other like that... Not only that, but the whole scene was too damn pink and shiny...

I can’t believe all of this Felli being commended not being helpful at all when the facts stated otherwise as we’ve already seen. What or why caused her to do that is a different issue altogether. What already happened:

- Helped Layfon detected the mother FM in ep 5 where other squads or ppl couldn’t do crap.
- Saved the girl trio at ep 4.
- Giving surveillance on the bugs in ep 7 from miles away, making the FM;s noticing the bait aka Nina, exhausting herself in the process;
- Giving support in ep 8 and until 10 to the squad.
- Giving support and inform the squad about the Haikizoku in ep 14;
- Giving support in ep 16 to the squad without Layfon;
- Recording the battlefield in ep 17;
- Giving surveillance to Layfon at ep 18; and finally
- Located Zuellni and Nina in ep 19;

What caused her to do all the above? Maybe Layfon, maybe she had changed herself and willing to help others. All the above are her achievements that already occurred.

I like Nina but after seeing all the negative post about Felli without considering that Nina’s also at fault on some cases really tempted me to list all the errors she had made and bicker them to no end.

Hmm... I don't think he is talking about being helpful so much as being willing to help. It doesn't really bother me, but I can see how Felli's attitude could rub people the wrong way. Ep 5 did leave me with a bad impression of her (and Layfon) at the time…

But as far as bad impression goes, Nina’s attitude in ep 9-10 still bothers me more btw. As well as her general overconfidence and lack of appreciation of Layfon.

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 08:54
I was nice until now...Now let's talk about the faults of both characters:
First the "favourite punchbag" Nina:
-She loses her temper quite easily.
-reckless and wants to do everything herself(partially cured, but without Layfon it's still remains)
-Selfishly tries out her power every time
- bound to her honor as Military Artist a way too much(that causes her to lose her temper or act recklessly)
-immense self-hatred and self-pity whenever she fails to do something.(slightly cured thanks to Leerin)
-knows nothing about subtietly
Now our "dethroned princess" Felli:
-distances herself from the people a way too much(she's currently working to solve it a bit...especially with Layfon)
-arogant(everyone is an idiot who have different opinions than her)
-spoiled(almost to princess level, but she sometimes acts otherwise[maid scene])
-self-centered(she thinks her situation is more important than everyone others'...except Layfon. It's true even if she can't ignore the ones at danger in front of her...it's more to the thing that she's nice and innocent)
- zero knownledge about relationships(she demends absolute honesty of Layfon, and she's a little bit sticky...she's working to solve it...for Layfon)
That's it. Maybe i should list their good points too later:p

cheesie
2009-05-20, 08:56
I like Nina but after seeing all the negative post about Felli without considering that Nina’s also at fault on some cases really tempted me to list all the errors she had made and bicker them to no end.

Those are two separate issues at hand. Posters have the right to comment freely about a character's negative traits, just as you have the right to oppose it, but it's not worth getting personal over it as it's just a discussion where everyone chimes in with their two cents, and so far, things are looking pretty well-behaved. It's possible to discuss about Felli's negative traits without aggressively pulling other characters into it, as it strongly displays your intentions to diverge from the main point when you attack other characters in response to the criticisms. (You, as in general.)

panpo98
2009-05-20, 10:22
Isn't the reason Felli is so devoted (or what you call it) to Layfon is because she feels they had the same opinion after she asked him. It was seen before and after their first platoon match together.

Layfon can also talk to her in ways others have not been able to.

It was also explained that her big talents and the way others planed her future made her distance herself from everyone until Layfon got into the picture.

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 11:05
Lol...sometimes i really doubt that you are a Nina fan too(not only Felli) as you state, TrueKnight. You never use fan/shipper glasses on Nina in contrast with Felli. Perhaps maybe it's just that you understand Felli's character more.
Nina's role more like a tactical commander/moral support. As you've seen in ep 18 without Nina Layfon loses his spirit.:p

I think the agressiveness towards Felli on the forums since ep 18 mainly a "payback" . Everyone must be harsh to Nina while everyone must be nice and forgiving to Felli?(that's what generally happened) It was strange for a long time...and same with the pages of post that only contains adoration of Felli's frills...when the Nina fans and the anti-Felli fans gained enough confidence with ep 18-19 they started an offensive.

And now TrueKnight you speak with the same harshness:
Alright then let’s talk about some of the few negative traits about Nina:

A Made the most contributions on Zuellni losing one of its mines 2 years prior.
B Selfishly forcing Layfon to change his philosophy when she basically was living in a idealistic whereas Layfon is pragmatic;
C Advising Layfon not to subdue Dinn Dee when Kallian and Haia insisted otherwise;
D Didn’t do crap in ep 14 and just watching;
E Getting herself all beaten up and didn’t take Sheena’s advice in ep 16 because she was overestimating herself;
F She was asked by Layfon to check on Zuellni, she did, and found the Haikizoku and possessed being teleported to Myath along with Zuellni’s fairy. Ultimately in a strategic PoV for the city, she had failed, horribly. Zuellni was gone and the city becomes vulnerable to FM’s attacks.

Seriously, what made platoon 17 or even Zuellni so special? It’s not Nina, the star players are Layfon and Felli all along.
You really took a full frontal attack on her. Let's correct the things:
A. We not even know what happens if she arrives in time and obeys every order. Probably even with that Zuellni had little hope to win. Actually with Nina's rush forward they may had a better chance to capture the flag earlier(cause even with Nina's rush they were slow to capture the flag in time). It's another thing that she feels herself guilty disobeying orders and even more because of her powerlessness.
B.)Actually with Nina's forcing Layfon feels himself better. He felt himself useless and pathetic. Now he knows that his ideals were somewhat wrong.
C.)Care to explain it more. It's somewhat blurry to me. Maybe you'r right.
D.) Acctually she did a little bit. Not to mention that she planned out the whole strategy. And when Layfon easily takes care of everyone Nina hardly has any role. Actually Layfon did most of the thing. Nina was just a bakcup at emergencies. Even if someone acts as backup he/she's still doing an important role. It proves Layfon's power that Nina is hardly needed.
E.)She wanted to test her strenght. Yeah...she was selfish.She thought she must replace Layfon. As i said Nina's still reckless without Layfon.
F.)Actually she did her best. She didn't know that the Haikizokou behind all of that. And when she confronted by it she has no way to escape. And the Regios City at least STOPPED. If the Fairy remains under the Haikizokou's control the City continues to move TOWARDS the hive. That means even more Filth Monsters. Maybe even unbeatavble amounts to even Layfon himself(and if not then he passes out due to exhaustion)
Extra: Nina thought about Layfon as a weapon? Her thoughts mainly concentrated around the platoon. It's natural from her to think at first about the success of the next inter-platoon match. But we all know that Nina cares greatly about Layfon.
Extra2:Why was she mean to Layfon after hearing the truth? Why? First because she only heard it partially. And she got the impression temporally that she's an extremely selfish person and even ruthless. It's not something she can accept. So she decided to part ways with him. It's just like at the first bug attack in the LN. Then she realises that even Layfon hardly knows himself and on the other side he wants to win and protect everyone who precious him(and he's a nice person...who don't kill people just when it's absolutely neccessary)

I'm surprised that you didn't mention the old classical ones as her faults.
Many people can't accept Nina's "power-up" cause of their hate towards her. And because they think it's an instant power-up(even if it is...it's at least logical and has a great plot and drawbacks with it)

P.S.: I was a little bit pro-Nina for now...perhaps it's not too hard when somone accuses it. The people automatically become at least a bit defensive(as i dothat with Felli not a long time ago)

Patriot's Blade
2009-05-20, 11:28
wah!, i can't stop bursting out laughing when the awsome, badass, hard-core action packed part of this ep suddenly turned into something like out-of a shoujo series (!?). :heh:

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 12:25
To TrueKnight
About the Haikizokou incident: actually they didn't know that the Haikizokou directly responsible for the happenings. And when she saw the Goat she has no chance to run. Instead she tried to confront him(perhaps it was futile). And with Zuellni's dissapearance they actually did better than just leaving it alone to still heading towards a hive of FM. At least they stopped.
She didn't know the result...she did what she could.
Then what about Felli at ep 4? If she followed the Meishen and her friends and protected/helped them to escape then the whole "drama" about their capture shouldn't have happened. The capture of Meishen and Co. was her fault with your logic.
Same with Meishen: If she didn't invite Layfon to a talk at night then he would never had that huge injury. With your logic Meishen at fault.
We can mention many examples. They have only one thing in common. With your logic they're at fault even if they're innocent by general viewpoint.

She defines people just tools for glory? You hate her now? She hardly seeks glory. That's the last thing she seeks. She wants to save others at all cost, but perhaps she can't stand being useless. She always wants to be use for her comrades or anyone. She's actually itching to help anyone in need. Perhaps it has a selfish reason. She's statisfied when she can make others happier or ensure others safety. Now it's other thing that lately she saw the way to help others as commandeering Layfon. So when Layfon became temporaly incapable to fight she's worried about the inter-platoon match at first.

Actually Nina helped out and saved many people too. she helped to get back the electrionic fairy twice(ep 3 and ep 17-19). It's actually saved the whole city and it's people. She planned out a working strategy against the Mature Bug at ep 7 in mere minutes. That probably saved the city again. Actually Felli and Nina contributed to Zuellni almost equally even if the difference in Power is obvious.
And i not even mentioned that she saved Leerin(well she had Savaris to protect her) and with that she probably saved the whole world from Ignasis.
Nina's far from useless...she just saves lifes in a more indirect way despite her personality.
I think we should start both blaming Nina or Felli. We must try to stay cultured.

satomianzaki
2009-05-20, 12:53
wow...so now we have a head to head battle between nina and felli?

ever since i watched the first epi till now, i definitely liked nina over her...my reason is very simple...i'm really not into emotionless characters...i'd rather not say boring cause she had her funny moments...but just that...most of the time, whenever i watch her, she's like an empty shell...very passive...most specially the earlier parts of the series...so i'll quote haia...i'm also not good in dealing with the likes of her...lol...

but i admit she has changed...trouble is, she's only doing it for and because of layfon...and as i see it, she's not doing it because she really wanted to protect the people of zuellini...she's doing it just to go with the flow...the flow of layfon...but at least, people benefit from that...geesshhh...what's the use of having a power when you have no real goal or objective of using it...

nina, on the other hand, is a very vibrant character...i have seen all kinds of emotions from her...from all her ups and downs...its like every epi of the series had some highlights about her development...her struggles to be strong and to be an effective leader...but of course she's also taking layfon in that development...oh yeah, not only him, but the whole platoon 17 as well...

that's why i think its kinda not fair to compare felli with nina...because if you itemized their good points from all aspects (all...as in all...including the looks...), nina will overwhelmingly outshine felli...

well, that's only my opinion anyways...
:)

-Sho-
2009-05-20, 13:32
Lol Nina vs Felli battle won't end XD well , its entertaining :p
Wait episode 20 , it'll be Felli's turn :) We'll have a good Layfon x Felli moments (maybe)

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 13:34
Yeah...I try to defend both sides.., quite hard work:p
(the reason why i don't quote Ultramarinus's quotes they're the same that i previosly "corrected"...but maybe i reply to him too. But even replying to TrueKnight's statements is a little bit exhausting..not to mention his[i guess after the name] post less and less about "Felli bashing")

rstrafford
2009-05-20, 15:32
Does liking Nina automatically mean disliking Felli or vice versa?

For TrueKnight, why can’t Nina be jealous over Layfon’s prowess? It must have frustrated her that she lacks the power that he has and probably irritated her that he finds it to be something he doesn’t want. After all, why else would she have pushed herself to exhaustion to try and grow stronger? It’s a mark of her growth as a character to want to be stronger, instead of just letting Layfon handle everything. Yes, maybe, she sees him as an asset, but she’s not above seeing herself as the same if it would protect Zuellni. And so far, the Haikizoku has done nothing so far but make her life more complicated, so it remains to be seen if she gets stronger because of it.

Manji Midou
2009-05-20, 15:33
Lol Nina vs Felli battle won't end XD well , its entertaining :p
Wait episode 20 , it'll be Felli's turn :) We'll have a good Layfon x Felli moments (maybe)

Leerin will steal away any moment that loli would had liked to have had....
l bet layfon doesn't save that loli until leerin gives him the dite...:heh:

Narona
2009-05-20, 17:12
Can you guys tell me what most of this debate has to do with the Ep19 or the Ep20 preview?

Let's talk about the episode itself :o

I am a nood so please somebody can explain to what is the Aurora Field? And What do you think about what Dixerio said? To me it felt as if he was saying that the Regios world was not the true one (at least, not the one wa can see in the flashbacks).

willyvereb
2009-05-20, 18:38
No he spoke about the strangeness of the world of Regios. He hinted the cause of change but never detailed the practicular process of change. The aurora field probably is another dimension or maybe just an artifical area which is full of aurora particles. The particles are able to break up the rules of physics and they're totally messed up the world(first strange annomalies and inhuman beings[Saya,Faceman, probably the hovering dogs etc...]) It continued to an extend that it called drastical actions for the humanity to even survive. But the picture is far from complete currently.

azarhal
2009-05-20, 21:19
willyvered have the short explanation.

Information about the Aurora fields and particles appear in Legend of Regios and most of them are explained at the japanese wiki of the books (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89%E3%8 3%BB%E3%82%AA%E3%83%96%E3%83%BB%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AE% E3%82%AA%E3%82%B9).

The wiki contains small spoilers for the Legend of Regios books in the characters descriptions. Google does a "acceptable" job at translating the whole page. An Aspirin might be useful too.

Arkard
2009-05-20, 21:59
So much chatter this week. Clearly it's all Narona coming back. Or maybe that hug scene had something to do with it... ;)

So the episode seemed to suggest that Zuellni was attempting to help Nina by suppressing the goat. So is a haikizoku just stronger then normal electronic fairies due to their enraged state or is Zuellini just outclassed by Goat-san?

DavidLin
2009-05-21, 05:54
I really don't think page 13 is about ep 19.......

What i though of ep is CSR better have a season 2 and about 3 movies!!!!

TrueKnight
2009-05-21, 05:57
I really don't think page 13 is about ep 19.......

(!), reposting for compliance, ep 20 preview,



Fon-fon seems going to get his hands full if you get what I mean,

http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022815.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022839.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022942.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100032547.jpg

Other fun stuffs,

http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9099.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9100.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9101.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9102.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9103.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9104.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9105.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9106.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9107.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9108.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9109.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9110.jpg

Finally,

http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios01.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios02.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios03.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios04.jpg

Felli gets kidnapped. Hoping Fon-fon will save her in style just like with Nina’s.

DavidLin
2009-05-21, 06:11
TrueKnight
Do you know if Feli gets kidnapped on purpose or no?
And also where did you get ep 20's pics? Thanks

willyvereb
2009-05-21, 06:21
And if anyone likes to, we can move this discussion to Nina's thread.

Ask a moderator for it. But i think there's no reason. It's just the classical bash-antibash conversations where the basher won't allow a compromise...
Anyways everyone sees the world differently. The things that for someone goodwill and guidance fior other somone's selfishness and manipulation.

There's always something the people can't agree on.

zibi88
2009-05-21, 06:29
Interesting...
First: I don't know what would Nina do in Layfon's situation if she were completely in the same situation(she would probably do many things similary)
But if we keep Nina's "typical personality"(Honorbound[and honest], Strong-willed and full of energy) then it something similar like that:
Here's my quick-made story about Nina(with her usual personality) in Layfon's shoes at Grendan.
Nina couldn't participate in illegal matches because it dirties the image of Military Arts. Instead she tries to work somewhere(as shop assistant, or worker at the machinery department). Perhaps everyone looks strangely on her as HB reciever. The queen probably forbids her to do that and then Nina asks for help from her. The Queen:
A.maybe she helps her
B.) she don't helps her and Nina must work secretly part-time somewhere(but still a honest work with relatively small pay... Nina believes it can't be helped). In the meantime her childhood friend Harely learns finance and he works in a part-time job too.Maybe Nina even convinces everyone to work for the good of the orphanage. Because thanks to his friend's advice she knows she can't earn enough and she needs the help of others. The news about the working orphanage spreads and many people donates for the well being of the orphans as a reaction.
But someone finds out that Nina at part-time work actually Nina Volfstein Anttalk, the 12th HB reciever and tries to blackmail her to give up her status to her(with losing to him at the MA tournament). Nina nods for it at first, but at the actual tournament she can't do that and defeats him. The guy tells Nina's secret to everyone and it causes a great disturbance. The Queen is angry(she know it all, but she's angry because it found out), but partly to the efect of the public she supports the orphanage and Nina remains a HB reciever.

That's it in short. I left out the angsty and self-hatred parts, but in short that happens when Nina(while she retains her personality from CSR...so as we know her). Like a fairytale? It's not exactly but with Layfon's power and Nina's personality we've got a Marry Sue cause much of Nina's faults comes from her powerlessness.
Perhaps as i said if Nina grows up in the same situation as Layfon her personality somewhat become similar to Layfon's...we don't know which part of her personality is due to background and which one's hers since birth.

heh it sounds too nice for it to be realistic..... since Queen cant help with money becouse they are useing lots of it for repairs of the city (lots of monsters :P) besides she doesnt care about others the same is about HB (example ep15 she could kill Canalice if she wanted without even feeling sorry) and what is up with them (for her they are just tools nothing more so they have no right to ask for help)

Other thing is lots of training (looking at Layfon he went throught many hours of training each day to develop random skills) so not much time for part-time jobs becouse a HB needs to be rested and well prepared to fight long battles with monsters and after haveing 1-2part time jobs (secret part time jobs) her stamina would fall down dramatically so when monsters would attack she wouldnt be able to keep up for long :/

People dont care about orphanage but themselfs...... Layfon for example was made a 12th HB by the queen herself and well he was liveing in the orphanage all that time so why did people not donate for the orphanage !? since there lives one of 12 strongest peoples in Grendan (kinda a hero)...... they done nothing in order to support orphanage...... queen know about Layfon an Leerin leaving at orphanage that was weak at money yet she done nothing either (queen know that layfon is leerins childhood friend)

So I think that layfon couldnt do other stuff besides martial arts at that time (since all his life he was training and gainign skills from leerins father) since he was a kid........ and who would agree to give a job to a 12-14y old brat......... I'm remembering Nina at that age..... what was she doing !? she was running around in nice rich dress and playing with those little fairys.........

Hmmm the other thing is that working a part-time job doesnt make enought money to pay up the bills and food in the orphanage.... and kinda underground matches were good at makeing profits (he needed lots and fast money) so he was able to support orphanage with that.....(its not his fault that he wanted to make good by his own sacrafice)

Anyway hard to put Layfon's case with Nina's life since they had WHOLE differnt lifes....... Lafon leaved in poor orphanage (maybe kinda starveing) and Nina had rich family and had good cloths, full stomach and 0 worries (at young age before comeing to zereni)

Hmm I think that there could be other problem in Layfon's case..... well he was a HB and so takeing part-time jobs would kinda put the queen and all HB's in bad light....... they are legendary stronest fighters yet queen cant pay them much for their work >__< so they have to work for little money somewhere else :P

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-05-21, 06:44
Sorry to interrupt but I need to remind all of you that...

This is not Nina's thread... Or am I just missing that Episode 19 has turned into Nina's Discussion Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=78117) when I was off fangirling in other board with another otome game fangirl? :innocent:

Anyways, I would like to request any moderator to move some comments on one or two pages before to Nina's thread. Because we need to discuss the P.I.N.K rather than venting how Nina is a Holy, Noble Knight or a human with faults. Or whatever the discussion is because I seem to have lost it in the middle of tl;drs. Ah the joy of venting is joy~ :/

u_u;

Ultramarinus
2009-05-21, 06:46
By all means, feel free to ask a mod to move the posts to Nina's thread like suggested earlier. I certainly wouldn't mind myself. The discussion started with 'the hug' and evolved into this.

willyvereb
2009-05-21, 07:08
heh it sounds too nice for it to be realistic..... since Queen cant help with money becouse they are useing lots of it for repairs of the city (lots of monsters :P) besides she doesnt care about others the same is about HB (example ep15 she could kill Canalice if she wanted without even feeling sorry) and what is up with them (for her they are just tools nothing more so they have no right to ask for help)

Other thing is lots of training (looking at Layfon he went throught many hours of training each day to develop random skills) so not much time for part-time jobs becouse a HB needs to be rested and well prepared to fight long battles with monsters and after haveing 1-2part time jobs (secret part time jobs) her stamina would fall down dramatically so when monsters would attack she wouldnt be able to keep up for long :/

People dont care about orphanage but themselfs...... Layfon for example was made a 12th HB by the queen herself and well he was liveing in the orphanage all that time so why did people not donate for the orphanage !? since there lives one of 12 strongest peoples in Grendan (kinda a hero)...... they done nothing in order to support orphanage...... queen know about Layfon an Leerin leaving at orphanage that was weak at money yet she done nothing either (queen know that layfon is leerins childhood friend)

So I think that layfon couldnt do other stuff besides martial arts at that time (since all his life he was training and gainign skills from leerins father) since he was a kid........ and who would agree to give a job to a 12-14y old brat......... I'm remembering Nina at that age..... what was she doing !? she was running around in nice rich dress and playing with those little fairys.........

Hmmm the other thing is that working a part-time job doesnt make enought money to pay up the bills and food in the orphanage.... and kinda underground matches were good at makeing profits (he needed lots and fast money) so he was able to support orphanage with that.....(its not his fault that he wanted to make good by his own sacrafice)

Anyway hard to put Layfon's case with Nina's life since they had WHOLE differnt lifes....... Lafon leaved in poor orphanage (maybe kinda starveing) and Nina had rich family and had good cloths, full stomach and 0 worries (at young age before comeing to zereni)

Hmm I think that there could be other problem in Layfon's case..... well he was a HB and so takeing part-time jobs would kinda put the queen and all HB's in bad light....... they are legendary stronest fighters yet queen cant pay them much for their work >__< so they have to work for little money somewhere else :P
Interesting points.
I doubt too that the Queen supports the orphanage just because one of her tools wants it. But if she forced to it? The secret, that one of her noble HB recievers doing part-time job is a huge scandal. Because that means the Queen herself can't pay enough for the well being of even one of her best soldiers. It's a scandal and the Queen must solve this somehow. She can't punish Nina cause of the opublic opinion. The only thing is left for her to play nice and support the orphanage a little.
About Nina working: Nina more than supectible for overworking herself. Even if the pay she earns a little she thinks that's unfair that everyone other except her takes part-time jobs and she isn't. Cause she's a HB reciever who can fight constatly for days i bet she can spend her remaining free time with working at night. Perhaps she often skips that because of "special happenings", but she could make up for that with her probable exceptional work.
About the donations. It's quite probable...there's always some ppl who's kind enough. With a large scale thing like almost every orphan working part-time it draws in the eye of the public.

You're right...a part-time job is far from being fast money maker. But there's two things:1. The orphanage is goes relatively well...the quality of the food and the amount is low, but there's enough to live. The mostaching problem is probably the repairs the bills and improvements. 2. Later Nina manages convince almost everyone to do part-time jobs and with that and the more later donations the situation is partly solved.
Nina and Layfon lived in whole different enviroments...that's why i stated that it's only works if Nina's personality mainly remains the same while she's in Layfon's situation at Grendan. Actually it's hard to quess how forms Nina's personality if she grows up at the orphanage in Grendan with Layfon-like talents instead of a noble family of the "Fairy-producing" city of Shneizel.

willyvereb
2009-05-21, 07:13
I guess now the Nina thread'll get some more extra pages:p

Ultramarinus
2009-05-21, 07:16
Leaving Felli thread in the dust! I like it! :heh:

BetoJR
2009-05-21, 09:38
Can't you guys bring that to the character's thread? It's become REALLY off-topic right about now...

Ultramarinus
2009-05-21, 10:00
Can't you guys bring that to the character's thread? It's become REALLY off-topic right about now...

Alright, will do. Your reply is on Nina's thread now Trueknight, let's continue there. Would be great if others can carry their discussion as well, so it won't spread back here again.

monir
2009-05-21, 23:30
I love you guys! You are wonderful. Considering how much fan-faring, the poor kind, we deal with everyday, this was heartwarming.

What I've noticed so far that there are few who can handle a conversation in second person. The reason is pretty obvious... conversation in second person tend to be a bit more personal considering we address each other in a more direct manner, so any slip-up in wording can have each other take offense for any type of argument. There are also other things such as particular likes-dislikes and etc that makes a second-person conversation much more delicate. You guys handled yourself so well in this regard.

Regios-fans are the best, and the beacon of example to follow. :bow:

Few posts moved to the Nina thread.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-22, 03:04
To be honest, I came here to discuss after having a bad experience in another forum. Good to see that it paid off. :)

monir
2009-05-22, 03:46
Big-time credits to TK. He is cool enough to have his own harem. He fend off 100's of Nina-fans all by himself without losing his cool. It's like watching Layfon's taking on a horde of filth monster all by himself without getting his hair ruffled. :D Of course, this superhero spells his name with the letter "T."

Disclaimer: Nina-fans are NOT filth monster. I wouldn't even dream of making such claims. Honest! :D

Ultramarinus
2009-05-22, 03:50
My good sir, it was more like the fight in ep 1, we 3 Nina's Blade users battling a behemoth!

P.S: I'll take the role of oji-san Lincense, nobody should worry. :P

monir
2009-05-22, 03:53
My good sir, it was more like the fight in ep 1, we 3 Nina's Blade users battling a behemoth!

P.S: I'll take the role of oji-san Lincense, nobody should worry. :P
haha... don't worry. There are a lot of Nina-fans out here who lurks and ready to fight (with gentle words) whenever any unreasonable attempt made to sully the name of such a good character.

cheesie
2009-05-22, 03:57
haha... don't worry. There are a lot of Nina-fans out here who lurks and ready to fight (with gentle words) whenever any unreasonable attempt made to sully the name of such a good character.

Currently on standby mode! :cool:

willyvereb
2009-05-22, 03:58
100s of Nina fans? You're exaggerating a little bit aren't you? Actually it seems that the Nina bashing were much louder than the Nina fanisms up until now. Now with the last few last episodes the Nina fans have gained some volume.But it's still no where near to the sea of Felli fangasms(pages about almost nothing but her frills? No other CSR fans are capable to do that:) )
True enough TK contributed a great amount to the CSR forums... I appreciate him for that.

-Sho-
2009-05-22, 05:22
I don't know you but i think that when Leerin will come then the others pairing will break .
Leerin x Layfon ftw :p

TrueKnight
2009-05-22, 12:12
Lol wtf so I’m like both an HB and a behemoth, don’t know what to think about that. Nevertheless really appreciated some of the kind words given to me.

And I guess I’m the only Felli brigade member still standing. *waves the Felli x Fon-fon flag* go frillz. >_>;

satomianzaki
2009-05-22, 13:17
one of nina's angels also in standby mode...

though i really agree that nothing beats the exchange of ideas and opinions between TrueKnight and Ultramarinus / Willyvereb...

:)

Lunarwitch
2009-05-22, 13:28
And I guess I’m the only Felli brigade member still standing. *waves the Felli x Fon-fon flag* go frillz. >_>;

you can include me that brigade too, and i been waving that Felli and Fon-fon flag for a while now

Manji Midou
2009-05-22, 15:48
This thread needs the insight mind and thoughts of someone neutral like me....:)

l must say though the current events has given the fellis fans a massive blow and now they all are scattered and worried for their loli.....

But it's still no where near to the sea of Felli fangasms(pages about almost nothing but her frills? No other CSR fans are capable to do that )


Ah, it's been some time since those words have not been uttered kinda nice indeed.
so anyways....
who here thinks layfon will be saving that useless loli after leerin gives him the dite?

magnuskn
2009-05-22, 15:54
Lol wtf so I’m like both an HB and a behemoth, don’t know what to think about that. Nevertheless really appreciated some of the kind words given to me.

And I guess I’m the only Felli brigade member still standing. *waves the Felli x Fon-fon flag* go frillz. >_>;

Oh, I definitely stay in the Felli brigade, no worry. The others are too boring.

willyvereb
2009-05-22, 15:54
I don't know...maybe he forgets Felli from the moment he meets Leerin again:p...perhaps just kidding.
To be serious the next episode will be mostly a Nina-centric ebisode+ The Melancholy of Felli Loss.