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monir
2009-05-23, 05:59
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TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 06:58
Reposting ep 20 preview again with some additions,

Fon-fon seems going to get his hands full if you get what I mean, http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022815.jpg http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022839.jpg http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100022942.jpg http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC20%E8%A9%B100032547.jpg

Other fun stuffs, http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9099.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9100.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9101.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9102.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9103.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9104.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9105.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9106.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9107.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9108.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9109.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9110.jpg

Finally, http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios01.jpg http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios02.jpg http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios03.jpg http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0518_regios04.jpg
Felli gets kidnapped. Hoping Fon-fon will save her in style just like with Nina’s.

Little Haia and the previous Psyharden master?

http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/2000014206.jpg
http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/2000013204.jpg http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/2000014633.jpg



around 4 hours from now. Woohoo.

Renegade334
2009-05-23, 11:13
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TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 11:20
Yay for Renegade!

But seriously,



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Lol just what the fuck just happened? >_>

zibi88
2009-05-23, 11:22
I guess jelousy..... without raw I cnat hear the talk so while looking on the pictures its like Layfon was all down when nina was out and that felli was not able to cheer him up..... but when nina re-appearead he is all happy now.... maybe its jelousy or rather envious of Nina... since Layfon pays bigger attention to her than to Felli...

raw needed for that :P

anyway by looking at pictures not much happens in this episode (besides lots of talk, very little training, more talk, lerrin arrives at zerenii [it seems its late night] but no reunion with layfon for now...., felli got kidnapped and is sitting in a cell...

Manji Midou
2009-05-23, 11:35
lulz... going by those pics the loli has become the comic relief of the show, oh how the mighty has fallen :heh:

TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 11:37
I guess jelousy..... without raw I cnat hear the talk so while looking on the pictures its like Layfon was all down when nina was out and that felli was not able to cheer him up..... but when nina re-appearead he is all happy now.... maybe its jelousy or rather envious of Nina... since Layfon pays bigger attention to her than to Felli...

Yea seems that way. Though she looked awfully fine for a person that’s getting kidnapped. >_>


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Ultramarinus
2009-05-23, 11:49
lulz... going by those pics the loli has become the comic relief of the show, oh how the mighty has fallen :heh:
Wasn't she so since ep 4? :p At least that was what I perceived.
Yea seems that way. Though she looked awfully fine for a person that’s getting kidnapped. >_>
"Take me! I'll kick you if you don't kidnap me! Need more attention!"

zibi88
2009-05-23, 12:02
maybe Felli throught that if she disappears Layfon would be happy like he was when Nina returned :P:P (offcouse if she reunites with layfon that is...) ....... but if that will turn out to be truth than Felli acts more like a brat than more brown up person....... since wanting to take attention with that kind of thing is kinda bad... since the other city is comeing.... Mayah.. and so her timeing is bad >_<

TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 12:04
I wouldn’t say as far as she forced herself getting kidnapped. Nen-I users aren’t meant for close quarter combats, especially when an experienced group like the Salinvans who seems involved in the kidnapping judging from the pics. So it somewhat made sense that she’s an easy target. Maybe something gotta do with the upcoming inter-city match with Myath.

Need to watch the raw, though.

ipernorris
2009-05-23, 12:04
If Felli is kidnapped by the one I think he will get more than a ko from Layfon this time... Layfon will spank him royally! :D

Ultramarinus
2009-05-23, 12:22
Nen-I users aren’t meant for close quarter combats, especially when an experienced group like the Salinvans who seems involved in the kidnapping judging from the pics.
Jokes aside, it's probably due to that. But still, I wonder the degree of resistance she'll put up. Indicators like her testing Layfon's attention on hospital bed, messed up confession and bewilderment during confirming 'the hug', combined with her personality traits lead me to making such a joke. The sad thing is that, I won't be surprised if she practically remains idle and let herself be taken without a hassle. She gives me such an impression and the screen shots kind of point to that. :uhoh:

Dam Dog
2009-05-23, 13:25
Since this seems to be the place for general discussion as well, has anybody else noticed how rampant ahoge is in CSR? Nina, Meishin, and even Fonfon have all got the silly hair going on.

I wonder if it's a mutation caused by all the pollution :D

TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 13:27
But still, I wonder the degree of resistance she'll put up.

I won't be surprised if she practically remains idle and let herself be taken without a hassle.

Well even as a Felli fan, I agree.

Judging from the pic and with the possible Nina x Layfon situation back in ep 19, the chances that she resists the kidnapping similar to her first encounter with Haia in ep 13 is almost minimal to none, and rather, she did it on purpose. I won’t deny the most possible reason she did that is to get Layfon’s attention out of jealousy. This is rather set from her side of the story rather than the big picture which is the inter-city match. Magnuskn and my previous speculation seem to come true, in a way.

Still I’ll watch the raw to make a more clear judgment. Which at the moment I post this, is already out.

zibi88
2009-05-23, 13:43
but man I would totaly laugh if after that Nina moment and maybe next Felli moment... Leerin come and so all previous girls efforts went for waste XDXD (Layfon showed more interest in Leerin than them :P )

Since Leerin comed to Zerenii only for and to Layfon (huge love power) while Nina and Felli kinda stayed all the time in Zerenii (Nina come back to zerenii not for layfon but to protect her city.... )

So I wonder what would happen if Layfon went back to Grendan...... would Felli or Nina go after him.....like Leerin !? (that's why im rooting for Leerin... she had not much screen time but she growed to be strong in my eyes even after not much of those sceen time comapred to Nina or Felli)

Dominic Night
2009-05-23, 14:41
Raw is out.


The expression on Haia's face after witnessing Felli Murdering the trashcan was priceless. :eyespin:

TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 14:43
Haha, finally watched it. Man, screwed up episode I tell you. So many thing happens I just don’t know where to start,

Summary,


- Nina hiding her secret for having the goat;
- Nina being emo of what happened to Dinn could’ve happened on her too;
- Gorneo and Shante training with Layfon informing the upcoming inter-city matches;
- Decent training scene between Layfon and Nina where he’s refreshed again;
- Felli upset at Nina for hiding her secret that could jeopardize the whole team, asked Layfon what he think about it, he just trust her that’s all, further being pissed again at him, thinking he’s back to his refreshed state;
- Myatj appears withing Zuellni’s sight.
- Haia received a letter and decree from Grendan, the queen,
- The kidnapping is conducted by Haia himself with Fermaus’ support it seems.
- Layfon wondering where’s Felli, being shot an arrow where he finds Felli’s pin and a letter, is pissed;
- Layfon, Nina, Vanze and Kallian had a meeting regarding Felli’s disappearance, it appears Haia sent a letter of challenge to Layfon on Felli’s case. Nina insisted Layfon should go, but Vanze and Kallian complaining that he’s too vital to be let go considering the upcoming Myath matches;
- Layfon said the manliest thing possible. ‘I’ll win Felli and Zuellni both’, then leave the room leaving the rest dumbfounded at his manliness;
- Leerin arrived at Zuellni just as Layfon about to leave and finding Felli;
- Probably The most fucked up part, Savaris running loose at Zuellni leaving Leerin alone. What the fuck is he looking for?

Preview,

Haia vs Layfon second bout. The Psyhardens meets again for a final countdown.

zibi88
2009-05-23, 14:53
About Savaris maybe he is looking for his brother Gorneo :P to give him information that he killed Gahard himself :P... and maybe he is looking for that Haikizoku... time will show

Anwyay you forgot to add about the preview...... Layfon is fightign with Haia but Layfon is useing "katana" (maybe the match argument)... and the last scene it seems Felli slaps Layfon in his left cheek (mostly she is pissed at him that he is going for her than fightign for the city... or that he broke his own promise of not useing katana for her.... )

I hope we will get some spoiler picture for next ep soon :P

TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 15:03
and the last scene it seems Felli slaps Layfon in his left cheek (mostly she is pissed at him that he is going for her than fightign for the city... or that he broke his own promise of not useing katana for her.... )

Judging from the sleeve, most likely it belongs to Leerin. >_>

zibi88
2009-05-23, 15:11
Judging from the sleeve, most likely it belongs to Leerin. >_>

well if we look at it it really is Leerin's sleave (and she was about to be reunited with Layfon in ep22)... but I wonder why did she hit him...... is it becouse he is not helping the city........ or maybe she is pissed that Layfon did not write letters back and made him worry :P (hmmmm where is that re-union hug that she was longing to have).......

But I think that it could be related to Leerin father.... I mean she gave him the sword for him and maybe Layfon says he cant accept it..... and here Leerin smacks him back to his senses.... need pictures to confirm that ^^......... after that smack we can see a cut on Layfons body... near left shoudler....maybe that is another reason why she might be angry [like he wanted to kill himself or something].......I need to see Leerin huging Layfon after that.... she went so far just for him and all he gets is a smack in his face :P

Manji Midou
2009-05-23, 15:19
well if we look at it it really is Leerin's sleave (and she was about to be reunited with Layfon in ep22)... but I wonder why did she hit him...... is it becouse he is not helping the city........ or maybe she is pissed that Layfon did not write letters back and made him worry :P (hmmmm where is that re-union hug that she was longing to have).......

But I think that it could be related to Leerin father.... I mean she gave him the sword for him and maybe Layfon says he cant accept it..... and here Leerin smacks him back to his senses.... need pictures to confirm that ^^......... after that smack we can see a cut on Layfons body... near left shoudler....maybe that is another reason why she might be angry [like he wanted to kill himself or something].......I need to see Leerin huging Layfon after that.... she went so far just for him and all he gets is a smack in his face :P

Maybe she's mad that layfon went out of his way to save such a useless character...:heh:

Ultramarinus
2009-05-23, 15:25
Heh, if I got everything right:

Felli seems to be mad also because they and Layfon worried so much. You were trying to hook him up by offering to search for Nina!

Just wow. I certainly shall ponder it once the subs come out, doubt that I'm wrong though. On another note:

Seems like he'll cause the last troubles for our guys at the finish, I wonder if they'll be able to remain faithful to the novels.

TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 15:46
Felli seems to be mad also because they and Layfon worried so much. You were trying to hook him up by offering to search for Nina!

Well,

Felli’s pissed because Sharnid and co were happy for the preparation upcoming matches where they feel nothing has happened at all when they have Nina still hiding her secret, Nina later apologized but she couldn’t accept the idea.

About Felli and Layfon conversation she mentioned that the platoon and her had been worried to death with her disappearance, especially Fon-fon and she couldn’t accept that Nina doesn't want to explain the whole picture. She asked Fon-fon if he really doesn’t want to know what she’s hiding, which Fon-fon replied she trusted Nina. You know what happen next.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-23, 16:10
Yes, looks just like that. I especially want to see the exact exchange between Nina and the president, I guess tomorrow. Oh well.

So little time left and LN is apparently at a crossroads as well, I sure do hope they won't break it after being faithful for so long.

Westlo
2009-05-23, 16:28
Since Leerin comed to Zerenii only for and to Layfon (huge love power) while Nina and Felli kinda stayed all the time in Zerenii (Nina come back to zerenii not for layfon but to protect her city.... )

Generally from what I've seen in anime/manga the girl who is more selfless usually ends up in a better position... just pointing this out because you continually post about how much Leerin wubs Layfon and how Layfon is always the focus of her thoughts... that's not entirely a good indicator for her "chances"..

Manji Midou
2009-05-23, 19:00
Fellis is such a total ass just because she sees that layfonxnina are forming an even closer bond that she will never achieve with him even in her dreams she has to put nina in the spot.
:frustrated:

Narona
2009-05-23, 20:15
Maybe she's mad that layfon went out of his way to save such a useless character...:heh:

Fellis is such a total ass just because she sees that layfonxnina are forming an even closer bond that she will never achieve with him even in her dreams she has to put nina in the spot.
:frustrated:

No need to troll and overreact.

Well,

Felli’s pissed because Sharnid and co were happy for the preparation upcoming matches where they feel nothing has happened at all when they have Nina still hiding her secret, Nina later apologized but she couldn’t accept the idea.

About Felli and Layfon conversation she mentioned that the platoon and her had been worried to death with her disappearance, especially Fon-fon and she couldn’t accept that Nina doesn't want to explain the whole picture. She asked Fon-fon if he really doesn’t want to know what she’s hiding, which Fon-fon replied she trusted Nina. You know what happen next.
Thanks for the info.

Before complaining that Felli did nothing to avoid to be kidnapped, I will wait the next episode.

About Nina, I don't think Felli is that wrong. Yes, she is jaelous too, but I would also like to know what excatly happened if i was a member of the platoon.

Anyway, Savaris is so........... strange xD, Yet he has this evil aura, but acts so much like a gentleman at the same time xD (I know he doesn't have the choice but still xD. And i like his voice xD)

- Haia received a letter and decree from Grendan, the queen,

So Haia kidnapped Felli, just to use her as a bait to challenge Layfon? Or did Haia do that because of the letter he recieved from the queen?

satomianzaki
2009-05-23, 20:29
i'd say not so much happenings in this episode...previous epi was still the best...

and felli...yeah she has her reasons, but, to ruin the mood of all her platoon mates is just kinda selfish...nina did apologized to her...if i were to put myself in her shoes, i also need/want an explanation...but she should also respect nina's reasons for not telling it all...its been very hard for nina...she could at least wait for the right time that their taichou is ready to reveal her secrets to all of them...

and what a shock it will be? nina will kinda have a difficult time hiding the haikizoku in her since it will be apparent once she started to fight...i mean the power up and all...

wonder who really slapped layfon's face and why...lol, can't wait...

:)

Manji Midou
2009-05-23, 20:29
No need to troll and overreact.

Stating facts is overreacting now?
meh...l see...:heh:

and felli...yeah she has her reasons, but, to ruin the mood of all her platoon mates is just kinda selfish...nina did apologized to her...if i were to put myself in her shoes, i also need/want an explanation...but she should also respect nina's reasons for not telling it all...its been very hard for nina...she could at least wait for the right time that their taichou is ready to reveal her secrets to all of them...

Well said, felli did what she did clearly out of spite and jealousy. Get over yourself you useless loli... l been defending her character from the start but how she acted in this episode is beyond being defended for.
Makes me wonder as to how she will become once leerin is in the picture.

Arkard
2009-05-23, 20:30
Generally from what I've seen in anime/manga the girl who is more selfless usually ends up in a better position... just pointing this out because you continually post about how much Leerin wubs Layfon and how Layfon is always the focus of her thoughts... that's not entirely a good indicator for her "chances"..

Nina is pretty much the only one who acts selflessly instead of selfishly. I was quite surprised how she scolded Layfon about Mei's lunches despite obviously helping out a rival. (and getting free food to boot!)


Anyway, Savaris is so........... strange xD, Yet he has this evil aura, but acts so much like a gentleman at the same time xD (I know he doesn't have the choice but still xD. And i like his voice xD)

So Haia kidnapped Felli, just to use her as a bait to challenge Layfon? Or did Haia do that because of the letter he recieved from the queen?

Interesting points, I would guess however that Haia kidnapped Felli because of the letter. He's had plenty of chances to challenge Layfon since he got his ass handed to him the last time. I also doubt he has to go so far to get Layfon to duel him unless he was acting under orders.

Savaris is like a classic serial killer in his calm cheerful demeanor until blood starts getting spilled. Then you see his evil sadistic side. What I wonder is if the Queen is aware of this or not >_<

Narona
2009-05-23, 20:47
Nina is pretty much the only one who acts selflessly instead of selfishly. I was quite surprised how she scolded Layfon about Mei's lunches despite obviously helping out a rival. (and getting free food to boot!)

Nina's first objective is to protect Zuellini after all, not layfon's heart. At least for now ^^

Interesting points, I would guess however that Haia kidnapped Felli because of the letter. He's had plenty of chances to challenge Layfon since he got his ass handed to him the last time. I also doubt he has to go so far to get Layfon to duel him unless he was acting under orders.

Maybe because he learned from the letter what Leerin is briging to Layfon? And that he wants to prove that he is the one who should have recieved that "Psyhardens thing" from the old man.

Savaris is like a classic serial killer in his calm cheerful demeanor until blood starts getting spilled. Then you see his evil sadistic side. What I wonder is if the Queen is aware of this or not >_<
She is, I think. Now the question is, why does Savaris act like that? I don't really read the novels/speculations threads, so I expect to learn more about him soon in the anime.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-23, 20:55
and felli...yeah she has her reasons, but, to ruin the mood of all her platoon mates is just kinda selfish...nina did apologized to her...if i were to put myself in her shoes, i also need/want an explanation...but she should also respect nina's reasons for not telling it all...its been very hard for nina...she could at least wait for the right time that their taichou is ready to reveal her secrets to all of them...
Well, the thing is that Nina told them earlier that she cannot explain the situation yet and everyone, even a newcomer agreed. And later city fight was learned of and platoon is training and increasing their morale. BAM! Felli unleashes a bitching storm. Her squad mates were dumbstruck but Nina still apologizes, even though she's their superior. She turns her back, leaves and still refuses to apologize even if her love interest asks her kindly. (so she is still beyond care about what Layfon feels)

How more self-centric can one get? I surely don't want to know, but I somehow feel like I shall be shown.

On another note, another thumbs up to the president from me. He seems to hold city's best interests first, no matter what. He deserves a better sibling. :heh:

Slick_rick
2009-05-23, 22:45
Can't wait for the sub to come to out. Doesn't seem like a lot happened but it was still an enjoyable episode. Seriously though that sparring match between Layfon and Nina looked more like foreplay than anything else. Not only Felli noticed but the entire platoon had wtf looks on their faces. Not to mention the rampant eye humping they had going on all episode. Nina and Layfon were a bit too blatant in this episode that I feel for the poor girl. Not enough though that I don't take pleasure in her utter and humiliating defeat...:heh:


Apparently Leerin will kick up the drama to full force next episode or so I'm hoping. I'm betting the slap has to do with a misunderstanding that Layfon has returned to his old ways. Either way the drama should be kicked up and Felli should officially be kicked out of contention.

TrueKnight
2009-05-23, 22:50
It depends on how much importance the secret is to a certain extent, especially considering the potential danger of the Haikizoku in general where it could gone up berserk at any moment leaving the host in a coma-like state like our baldy friend. We have seen even Nina with her willpower couldn’t subdue the Haikizoku and nearly went crazy if not for Leerin’s god-like deterrent. Granted no one in her team has yet to realize about this and she did that in order to make them not to worry worry, but imagine in a match where the Haikizoku suddenly activates, the possibility is still there. The only one who seem realize about this is only Kallian.

I could say that Nina should’ve considered the possible overall impact for hiding her secret because it could backfired on her in the future. Nevertheless, she did it as an act of good faith for not wanting to jeopardize the team’s morale for having too much to worry about her and I commend her on that.

Regarding Felli, what made her more pissed afterwards is that Nina’s comeback had somehow put Fon-fon in a good spirit again. It’s the most important out of the many aspect that made her pissed and act that way lol. At least to me.

About the end conversation with Kallian, If my ears and knowledge didn’t fail me, well Nina wanted Layfon to confront Haia in order to save Felli, which Vanze strongly oppose and Kallian I think is wondering who’ll be Fon-fon and Felli’s replacements. Nina pretty much proposed that her squad or other will somehow cover for that, but Kallian is still dubious because even so their squad lacks a competent Nen-I user. Until of course, Fon-fon came up with an idea of where he could help and save Felli and Zuellni both. Kallian pretty much gave the green light after though not without uncertainty.

monir
2009-05-23, 23:35
Heads up to TK: Those 2chan image links wrapped in img-tag will expire soon and will link to porn. You are better off uploading to an image-hosting site.

satomianzaki
2009-05-23, 23:35
poor nina...

its like whatever she does, there's always drawbacks to it...it seems that she's always not doing the right thing...her planning, decisions, so on and so forth...people always point out her negative values and not seeing that she's trying her best in everything...

oh well...that's only my opinion anyways...

willyvereb
2009-05-24, 00:43
I've just finished the raws:
Nina returns and she can't speak about what happened. Felli's angry at her. Because:
-She made Layfon all-happy in an instant.
-She done something that Felli hardly can imagine how(rid off the Haikozokou and save Zuellni) Felli hardly have a reason to save the city(the city itself...not it's inhabitants), but Felli only had faint guesses about it how Nina done it and neither of them seems too possible.
-Nina keeps the happenings secret from them. Felli HATES that, when people are keeping secret from her. Even more if it's a thing with such importance.
Shante's trianing with Layfon was interesting. The use of Kei actually capable to that? Since ep 8 I'm constantly curious that the Kei could have some kind of elemental affinity(like in the Naruto). Gorneo's earth spikes, Layfon's wind attacks, Shante's fire shots. The Later is hardly explainable without some kind of elemental affinity or magical propiety of the Kei.
Haia's childhood flashbacks. He was jealus of him for a long time. They're fighting for the psyharden title probably in the next episode.
Leerin arrived at ep 20? The bomb's planted :p.
Savaris is probably searching for the Haikizokou.

Why Savaris is so sadistic? Why must the animes have some proper explanation behind why someone's bad. Some ppl are born to be highly suspectible to that. He's sadistic because it feels good for him. Or the inherited power of the Luckens family's is evil somewhat and corrupts the minds.

panpo98
2009-05-24, 01:18
Stating facts is overreacting now?
meh...l see...:heh:

Well said, felli did what she did clearly out of spite and jealousy. Get over yourself you useless loli... l been defending her character from the start but how she acted in this episode is beyond being defended for.
Makes me wonder as to how she will become once leerin is in the picture.

What do you expect. It has already been explained that people with her kind of powers have problems with expressing emotions. And Felli have more then most. Your are mistaking Felli for a normal girl with no problems. Nina hasn't acted any better on other occasions.

Geting angry on how Felli handles emotions is like complaining on a man in a wheelchair for not standing up and move like a normal person.

Nina is pretty much the only one who acts selflessly instead of selfishly. I was quite surprised how she scolded Layfon about Mei's lunches despite obviously helping out a rival. (and getting free food to boot!)


Nina was conveniently forgetting that she herself was as much to blame for that since Layfon did tell Nina what he knew about the lunches. She should have scolded herself and apologist to Mei as well for not realizing the situation.

monir
2009-05-24, 01:21
Ladies and gents.... try to stay on topic from the context of this week episode. Any character discussion should taken place at the corresponding threads dedicated to such character.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-24, 04:06
And Felli have more then most. Your are mistaking Felli for a normal girl with no problems.
She's got no problems whatsoever, (especially by Regios standards, compare Layfon & Nina's problems) just wanted to say this about the matter.

It felt as if the kidnapping part was omitted on purpose, do we have someone with LN knowledge that can confirm what actually happened during the act? Or does it happen behind the curtains there as well?

cheesie
2009-05-24, 04:57
She's got no problems whatsoever, (especially by Regios standards, compare Layfon & Nina's problems) just wanted to say this about the matter.


Well, she actually does, but the problem is that there's not much exploration with this issue other than being used as comedic effect. There was a brief explanation regarding this state of suppressed emotions earlier back, but after that, it's mainly emphasized on Layfon being the comedic outlet of these emotions. The series hasn't really been much help with the way it's treating the issue rather lightly, with a good half of her scenes involving kicking Layfon and poles/trash cans, so now that she's venting her emotions this way, some may find it difficult to sympathize with her, even though it's understood why she reacts this way. It's pretty problematic, as there hasn't been anything outstanding about her character so far.

(Will take it to character thread. :p)

Ultramarinus
2009-05-24, 05:16
Alright, I replied to your post on Felli's thread. I wish I wouldn't have to resort to increase her thread's post count!

*goes and kicks nearest trash can*

TrueKnight
2009-05-24, 08:37
Just wanna inform you dudes that sub is out by Ayako. My thanks to them orz!

daimonth
2009-05-24, 10:07
In the novel the kidnapping is skipped as well. It's really taken for granted that Felli, being a nen user would not stand a chance against Haia who is just under Layfon in terms of fighting ability so there was no need to show it.

Disappointed with the previous two episode overall, they cut out a bunch of stuff from the novel. Not sure what they are rushing to... anime original ending? Since I don't see a good spot to end really from the progress.

ipernorris
2009-05-24, 10:15
Disappointed with the previous two episode overall, they cut out a bunch of stuff from the novel. Not sure what they are rushing to... anime original ending? Since I don't see a good spot to end really from the progress.
Layfon will defeat Haia and give a decisive help in the battle against Myath, otherwise his godly reputation will be damaged: he said he will save both and he will save both! :cool:
Is this the end? No it won't be by any means: there is a certain Savaris, Heaven Blade Receiver, hunting down the Haikizoku within Zuellni. This means he will reach Nina very soon and he will extract the Haikizoku from Nina, reducing her like Din Din. The only one in Zuellni who can stop Savaris is Layfon, but not with his crappy dite: he will need the psyharden katana which was kindly carried to Layfon by Leerin! :D

panpo98
2009-05-24, 10:29
Felli problems was explained/explored in the earlier episodes (1-6 or something) and the audience are assumed to remember those.

Felli have never liked being a military artist or being expected to use her power and never intentionality been used or expected to fight back. Felli has no will/instinct to fight so she will be totally unprepared for an attack.

Maybe they are going to end the series with the city match + an episode after that for lose ends.

Edit:
ipernorris: story sound more exiting then mine.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-24, 10:39
Disappointed with the previous two episode overall, they cut out a bunch of stuff from the novel. Not sure what they are rushing to... anime original ending? Since I don't see a good spot to end really from the progress.
That's worrying but maybe they're just jumbling the orders of the events?

It seems like they'll have Savaris fight Layfon or something like that at the end, after Myath battle.Or maybe Savaris will be shown just lurking around. I very much doubt that he'll be able to extract Haikizoku or do something to Nina. In any case, let's hope it'll at least be salvageable. Ah and BTW, about what I wrote about yesterday:

"We were so worried about her! Can't you hold anything against her, Layfon?!"

You were trying to bribe Layfon with Nina search bribe for God's sake! Hypocrisy at its best. And afterward she thinks "he was so happy to see her come back, die trash can!". I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Felli told Savaris that Nina has the goat. She's reaching my preciousssss-grade infatuation.

zibi88
2009-05-24, 11:02
well at official anime page new few pictres of next ep poped out ^^ well I guess the fight between Layfon and Haia will be fast but its really flashy ^^ it will be interesing.... the only quesion is why Leerin slaped Layfon (not shown on any picture)

is it becouse he is doing similar thing to what he done on grendan (slashing without mercy) or there is other reason and she slaps him to calm him down and bring him back to senses....

TrueKnight
2009-05-24, 11:16
Yeah, the ep 21 preview,

http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0524_regios01.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0524_regios02.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0524_regios04.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0524_regios05.jpg


Haia's getting all out.

ipernorris
2009-05-24, 11:20
Thanks for the pics, True Knight of Regios!

zibi88
2009-05-24, 11:32
Thanks for the pics, True Knight of Regios!

Well he is like me a person who likes to go on official anime pages and look for some spoiler pictures :P

those pictures are from this site http://blog2.surpara.com/regios/ and if you like you can use for example google translation to see what under those pictures is writen ^^

willyvereb
2009-05-24, 11:34
I guess Layfon gets hit by Leerin because he never mentioned that his "friends" are mainly females. Just imagine as a girl's boyfriend she hasn't seen for months appears encircled with women. Now it's something worth a hit.(even if Leerin's not actually Layfon's girlfriend)

zibi88
2009-05-24, 11:54
nah in preview after that slap we can see on layfons body a huge cut (near left shoudler) mostly taht slap was to bring him back to senses after his fight.....maybe she was simply worried about him.... that he gets himself hurt (while he acter reckless... similar to how it was at grendan....)

Time will show... or maybe new picutres :P

Arkard
2009-05-24, 12:33
Ep. 20 musings:

I've liked Felli, but this episode's hissy fit was a real turn off to me for her character.

Silly Layfon just kept pouring salt on her wounds by calling her sempai over and over. She wouldn't even respond to him until he finally called her Felli.

It seems Haia kidnapped Felli as one last desperate gamble to settle the score with Layfon since the Mercenary Gang is no longer needed with Savaris there. Inferiority complex much?

Seems Shena is shifting towards a pairing with Sharnid. Combine his "if I had you I'd need no one else" comment and her befuddled look when that girl blushed when he waved at her and you've got some cliché development.

When in doubt, Nina shower scene ftw. Damn flowers.

So let me get this straight. Nina disappears because of Layfon (Layfon asked her to check on Zuellni.) He goes emo. Felli disappears because of Layfon. (kidnapped by Haia as bait to challenge Layfon) Layfon's resolve multiples like ten fold... <sigh>

If Savaris is sent to retrieve Goat-san, wouldn't that mean basically to kidnap Nina?

Manji Midou
2009-05-24, 12:41
Best line of the ep

"she comes back and he gets all happy, whats with him".....

Hahaha fellis it must hurt knowing you will never be able to impact layfon so much like nina you useless brat.

willyvereb
2009-05-24, 12:48
You remember right but it was in the latest volume.
About the Felli and Nina kidnaps. Actually the situations are different.
I guess we see the 10x resolve HC Layfon even if Haia kidnaps Nina(a thing that's quite troublesome to do...not to mention that it may be impossible thanks to Goat-san's "generous help"). Perhaps i think it would be something that could trouble Felli even more.
We know that 80% of Felli's motivation is from her love to Layfon so i have expected something like Felli did(actually maybe an even more drastic)
Best line of the ep

"she comes back and he gets all happy, whats with him".....

Hahaha fellis it must hurt knowing you will never be able to impact layfon so much like nina you useless brat.

It's the proof of that Felli hardly understands the pople's emotions...she only sees the outer layers. Perhaps it's natural when even she hardly expresses any emotion(other than rage).
But Manji Midou please keep the conversation civilised. The useless brat term provokes unneded agressiveness/defensiveness from others(probably Felli fans...but not exclusively)

Lunarwitch
2009-05-24, 12:49
Yeah, the ep 21 preview,

http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0524_regios01.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0524_regios02.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0524_regios04.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0524_regios05.jpg


Haia's getting all out.

OMG, is Felli crying in the next episode:eyebrow:

ipernorris
2009-05-24, 12:52
I guess Layfon gets hit by Leerin because he never mentioned that his "friends" are mainly females. Just imagine as a girl's boyfriend she hasn't seen for months appears encircled with women. Now it's something worth a hit.(even if Leerin's not actually Layfon's girlfriend)
I think it's not very likely... I mean your beloved one is injuried as soon as you see him for the first time in a long time and the first thing you do is slapping him?
Nah perhaps Layfon will be going to murder Haia (he's really pissed at him) and Leerin somehow stopped him just in time screaming "Layfon yameteeeeee!" :cool:

willyvereb
2009-05-24, 12:56
I don't think so...Haia has no intention of hurting Felli...probably.
Haia's far from Sephiroth(in terms of looks, style,cruellness and perhaps power). And he's clearly not an evil guy...he's just doing everything to achive his goal(but he keeps dancing on the line of crime).
And if Haia ensures that he mans Felli no harm then Layfon hardly ha a reason to murder him. Layfon's far from a killer. He really needs good reason to kill someone.

Lunarwitch
2009-05-24, 13:20
I think it's not very likely... I mean your beloved one is injuried as soon as you see him for the first time in a long time and the first thing you do is slapping him?
Nah perhaps Layfon will be going to murder Haia (he's really pissed at him) and Leerin somehow stopped him just in time screaming "Layfon yameteeeeee!" :cool:

i thought it was more like this, that he promise her that he would not be fighting and he was goner leave everything behind and start new, that would make anyone slap you for breaking a promise.

zibi88
2009-05-24, 13:29
i thought it was more like this, that he promise her that he would not be fighting and he was goner leave everything behind and start new, that would make anyone slap you for breaking a promise.

well he was forced to do it.... besides why is she carrying that sword for Layfon XD why does he need it if he promiesed not to fight :P

Lunarwitch
2009-05-24, 13:33
well he was forced to do it.... besides why is she carrying that sword for Layfon XD why does he need it if he promiesed not to fight :P

good point

Ultramarinus
2009-05-24, 13:38
My guess for the slap would be something like this:

- Hey Layfon, I brought you this sword, pretty huh?
- That's a katana, I can't use! They're EBUL!!!
*bitchslap*

Joking aside, I think the slap has got something to do with Layfon refusing to inherit the title or something else regarding his past, the katana issue looks most probable.

Bonta Kun
2009-05-24, 13:42
yay Fonfon finally gonna give us a good show?!

for him to actually go ahead and say he will save Felli and Zue seems he's not half-hearted about it like he always was before.

well doesn't matter what happens now cause Leerin is there, so YAY!!!

germanturkey
2009-05-24, 13:42
didn't give a rat's ass about felli. though her hidden jealousy was fun to watch. i just kept wondering when Savaris or Leerin would find Layfon. apparently we won't get that until next ep. shame. I expect next ep to be the one where the hero gets beaten down, then due to an emotional event, he powers up and one shots the enemy.

I think Leerin knows that he can't leave behind fighting. someone with his strength and skill can't deny it, especially in the world they live in.

zibi88
2009-05-24, 13:45
My guess for the slap would be something like this:

- Hey Layfon, I brought you this sword, pretty huh?
- That's a katana, I can't use! They're EBUL!!!
*bitchslap*

Joking aside, I think the slap has got something to do with Layfon refusing to inherit the title or something else regarding his past, the katana issue looks most probable.

Yeah I said that few pages ago ^^ since this sword is from Leerins father so it proofs he forgives him... and he doesnt want to accept it is like rude that's why Leerin could slap him to pull him out of this thinking..... her dad gives him that and wants him to use it..........Leerin cares for Layfon too much to just slap him and start to hate him

Like she said in that Nina meeting Layfon was allways supporing her... and she earlier from that said that she cant accept Layfon haveing all the burden on himself for what happened...... so mostly she gives him that slap in deep care of not thinking over it too much what happened there in grendan (since becouse of what happened layfon is stuck in this I wont use katana thinking)

And well Layfon in that Haia fight should use katana for better protection of himself and becouse he did not use it he ended up hurt (his stuborness could cost his life) so maybe she is angry at layfon for that....

more pictures will say this..... or we will have to wait 1week for that :P

aliasxn
2009-05-24, 13:59
Shante tsundere was pure win!!!!

Can't wait for Leerin and Layfon to reunite!

zibi88
2009-05-24, 14:03
Shante tsundere was pure win!!!!

Can't wait for Leerin and Layfon to reunite!

haha maybe its Layfons stands there after the fight.... and sees Leerin... is shocked not beliveing its her (since leerin is in grendan).......and so Leerin "slaps him" saying Im real !! damn it XD

Manji Midou
2009-05-24, 14:56
So let me get this straight. Nina disappears because of Layfon (Layfon asked her to check on Zuellni.) He goes emo. Felli disappears because of Layfon. (kidnapped by Haia as bait to challenge Layfon) Layfon's resolve multiples like ten fold... <sigh>


Nina was there to support him simple as that.

It's the proof of that Felli hardly understands the pople's emotions...she only sees the outer layers. Perhaps it's natural when even she hardly expresses any emotion(other than rage).
But Manji Midou please keep the conversation civilised. The useless brat term provokes unneded agressiveness/defensiveness from others(probably Felli fans...but not exclusively)

l will try...but it's very obvious she behaved like a inmature little brat who sees that her toy keeps on paying more attention to another girl.

aliasxn
2009-05-24, 15:15
Ep. 20 musings:
So let me get this straight. Nina disappears because of Layfon (Layfon asked her to check on Zuellni.) He goes emo. Felli disappears because of Layfon. (kidnapped by Haia as bait to challenge Layfon) Layfon's resolve multiples like ten fold... <sigh>


There was nothing he could have done for Nina, he had no idea whatsoever of what happened to her. And it's not like he didn't care either, he killed massive hoards of filth monsters singlehandedly to lash out his anger... He probably would've run all the way to Myath butt naked if he knew she was there... This time he knows where to strike.

daimonth
2009-05-24, 16:11
I can't help but worried considering some of the part that got cut out foreshadowed alot of things to come and alot of events seems rushed...

So far as to Felli's reaction this episode I thought it was pretty normal under the context. Remember both Layfon and Felli was pushed to the limit during the time Nina was gone, physically by the repeated fight with Filth Monsters, mentally by Nina's disappearance. Then Nina comes back and refuse to tell them what happened( Though in the novel she did tell them about Haikizoku inside her but nothing else). Ninas refusal to tell them the truth(in the novel it talked about her casual behaviour towards this) started her anger because it seems like their concern was not acknowledged and they are not being trusted furthermore the secrecy would only continue to cause their worry. Sharnid then made a comment about relying on Layfon for victory which only added fuel to fire. As it would seem like they are dumping their burden on Layfon again right after pushing him to the edge with the responsibility of fighting FM. (she too realize it was a joke but the timing was bad tht it set her off) Layfons happiness would just be the icing on the cake as she would both be angry at Layfon for taking being shafted so happily and feeling jealous. (Though I 'll make a note that in the novel she didn't comment on Layfon being happy, it was most frustration at their concern being rejected by Nina. Not the first time the anime changed a persons character.)

In short to say that she threw a hissy fit just cause she was jealous would be unfair.

Bikerider
2009-05-24, 16:38
For those who wish to smack Felli for being a spoiled brat: Queue starts to the left.

willyvereb
2009-05-24, 16:41
Good to know that even Felli's changed for the worse in the anime.
Sometimes i really wonder why they're doing this...actually it would be far from hard to manage to keep the characters true to the LN and keep the story at the set lenght. Still it's seems like they want to change the story at almost every adaptation just to make angry the fans.

magnuskn
2009-05-24, 16:56
I finally saw the episode with subs and I must say, all the people who are freaking out about how "immature" Felli is are vastly exaggerating her behaviour in this episode.

Yeah, she obviously is jealous of Nina getting so much positive attention from Layfon, but seeing how her quite earnest offer of doing anything for him were turned down by Mr. Oblivious, I can see how her jealousy could come about. I´d really like to see how she´d react to him getting so very determined about her safety.

But you shouldn´t forget that she has a very, very valid point: Nina is keeping something from everyone, and even though they don´t know it, what she is keeping from them could impact all their safety quite much.

So, I think Fellis reaction is at least 50% fully justified... the other 50% are understandable emotional turmoil, which should be especially difficult to deal with for a person who had to repress her feelings all her life.

At least from what I saw, I can now be sure that she didn´t orchestrate her own abduction. Phew. THAT would have been hard to justify.

Manji Midou
2009-05-24, 17:08
For those who wish to smack Felli for being a spoiled brat: Queue starts to the left.

l don't follow....whut?

Ultramarinus
2009-05-24, 18:18
Duh, after reading daimonth's post, everything I watched and thought about felt so meaningless. What an utter disappointment, how can they change such an important event? :mad: Nina telling or not telling about the goat changes so many things! Not just events, but also characters! Sigh, it was just mot making sense to me deep down inside, I should have expected something like this. :eyebrow:

I couldn't have understood the real reason why Nina wouldn't tell about the goat, it hadn't made sense to me. Because there wasn't and sense to make to start with! :frustrated:

What a shame really, I was thinking that they were still faithful to the story. Looks like they'll totally manage to mess it beyond recognition if they're deviating this far. :(

holyman282
2009-05-24, 18:26
Wow great ep, I can't understand why people would diss felli seriously she had genuine reason to be angry... People call her all whiny but I think they've forgotten several ep back that we said the same about Nina as well.

Fevvers
2009-05-24, 20:08
Even if we put Felli's jealousy out of the picture for a while, she'd still be a brat. It's understandable that she'd be worried for her captain, although I feel the jealousy part kinda eclipses that unfortunately since we barely see Felli worried over anyone else except for Layfon, but come on, Nina just got back, she's probably just as confused, if not even more so, like the rest of the team. Instead of giving her time to sort things out by herself, Felli bitches.

Now the question is, will Felli develop or not? I don't hate the character or anything, and there were even times where I found myself liking her (i.e. that time that she reprimanded Layfon when Nina and Layfon were having issues in episode 10, I think). Other than that, she has been nothing but static so far, even with her Layfon-colored glasses, so yeah, it makes it really difficult to feel for her when she's been terribly irrational half the time and ambiguous (as if it’s her teams’ responsibility to know what’s going on in that mind of hers) the other.

As for Savaris, he’s obviously up to something, I have a feeling it has something to do with Nina and the Haikizoku inside of her. I just want to see some kick-ass action scenes next episode, and not just from Layfon’s end.

germanturkey
2009-05-24, 20:51
hmm. what if Savaris goes to take Nina away. Some Layfon vs Savaris action?!

hellraiser85
2009-05-24, 21:49
uhmm why is everyone so positive layfon is going to be slapped by leerin? from what i saw in the ep preview it seemed very evident it's felli slapping him (leerin is in the city already while layfon is wearing the protective suit so he must be outside in that moment), besides i don't think layfon is even going to meet leerin in the next episode...

Slick_rick
2009-05-24, 22:12
uhmm why is everyone so positive layfon is going to be slapped by leerin? from what i saw in the ep preview it seemed very evident it's felli slapping him (leerin is in the city already while layfon is wearing the protective suit so he must be outside in that moment), besides i don't think layfon is even going to meet leerin in the next episode...

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww53/Sei-sama_Album/slap0002.png

Certainly looks to me like Leerin sleeve not Felli's. Also Felli would probably kick him as per her normal M.O and she'd probably also need a step stool to get any kind of effective slap on him anyway.:heh:

Arkard
2009-05-24, 22:13
uhmm why is everyone so positive layfon is going to be slapped by leerin? from what i saw in the ep preview it seemed very evident it's felli slapping him (leerin is in the city already while layfon is wearing the protective suit so he must be outside in that moment), besides i don't think layfon is even going to meet leerin in the next episode...

Felli's more of a kick person? :heh:

Bonta Kun
2009-05-24, 23:14
uhmm why is everyone so positive layfon is going to be slapped by leerin? from what i saw in the ep preview it seemed very evident it's felli slapping him (leerin is in the city already while layfon is wearing the protective suit so he must be outside in that moment), besides i don't think layfon is even going to meet leerin in the next episode...

like its said before Felli would lay waste to Fonfon with a kick:p

and you can't honestly think they would delay Leerin meeting up with Fonfon for another ep thats just wrong.
All one could do if this would ever happen is slap a big ass fail sticker on this whole series, yes something like that is enough to make the show as a whole fail!

putting that aside anyone else feel ...odd at the whole scene with Fonfon and Nina training?
too much fluff and sparkles for my tastes>__<

panpo98
2009-05-24, 23:30
I have seen the sub now and I don't see any problem with what Felli said during her outburst. Especially from a military point of view with city's survival at stake. What Felli said is things that platoon captains like Nina say all the time to their troops. Nina remembered that she had made a slip by not saying those words herself and apologized. Felli got her apology for the unintended insult. Case closed.

That it was more reasons behind the words is another mater that have already been discussed to death.


By the way.
I double checked the slapping sleeve and it does match Lerins. Layfon is wearing his zuellni uniform so it can't be a flashback. If you look at the scene frame by frame then Layfon has his regular sleepwalking/don't care/ aren't listening face expression before he is struck. If the slap wasn't for any other reason like making her worry for not writing more letters then that black look is enough to earn a slap in the face. But I don't understand why Layfon would have such a face then he hasn't seen Lerin for so long.

Arkard
2009-05-24, 23:50
putting that aside anyone else feel ...odd at the whole scene with Fonfon and Nina training?
too much fluff and sparkles for my tastes>__<

Yeah that did give off an odd feeling. Those two were practically oozing happiness. Oh wait that was sparkly sweat... :rolleyes:

But I don't understand why Layfon would have such a face then he hasn't seen Lerin for so long.

"GD it Leerin, my harem preparations aren't complete yet!" :heh: On a more serious note, he could be a.) in an emotionless trance from just getting out of the fight with Haia or b.) Coldly reacting to the psyharden katana like he has with Harvey. Leerin wouldn't be too happy if he blew off her purpose for coming to Zuellni much less her romantic side agenda.

Slick_rick
2009-05-25, 00:01
I have seen the sub now and I don't see any problem with what Felli said during her outburst. Especially from a military point of view with city's survival at stake. What Felli said is things that platoon captains like Nina say all the time to their troops. Nina remembered that she had made a slip by not saying those words herself and apologized. Felli got her apology for the unintended insult. Case closed.

Nina was being the "bigger" person by apologizing. Certainly Nina didn't want to offend Felli in anyway but from all POV's including Felli's it was just them joking around. The comment was unnecessary and petty of Felli no matter what she was feeling at the time.

Johnny
2009-05-25, 00:14
I've got to go with the majority that it's Leerin pimp slapping Layfon...

The cuff matches pretty darn close with the pic above....
http://i40.tinypic.com/2r2xbog.jpg

Compared to Felli's sleeve as seen in her captive state...
http://i39.tinypic.com/2lj5frp.jpg

Nice buildup for next week's episode which should be exciting. Hopefully Layfon wakes up and realize to use what he has to the fullest. Don't hold back out of pride or whatever hangups. Plus kicks Haii's ass once an for all, send him packing...

danin8r44
2009-05-25, 00:20
Nina was being the "bigger" person by apologizing. Certainly Nina didn't want to offend Felli in anyway but from all POV's including Felli's it was just them joking around. The comment was unnecessary and petty of Felli no matter what she was feeling at the time.

I agree in part Nina was the bigger person for apologizing (as much as I think Nina is a failure as a commander and never ceases to piss me off is irrelevant here) and Felli's comment was petty. It was necessary, someone had to correct those thoughts and attitude, Felli just went about it the wrong way because she was angry. I can understand Felli being enraged at Nina as well, not because of Layfon but because Nina has the sheer nerve to hide something so large and tactically important from her subordinates from whom she requires complete openness:frustrated:.

Fevvers
2009-05-25, 00:34
Yeah that did give off an odd feeling. Those two were practically oozing happiness. Oh wait that was sparkly sweat... :rolleyes:


Funny thing is, they didn't even look like they were aware of their training at all, judging by the way the whole time they were going eye smex on us. :heh:

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 00:45
Nina said that she can't put into words what happened...that means she say it when she recollected enough spirit and thought it out. Felli's angry and impatient that's why she can't tolerate it.

Slick_rick
2009-05-25, 00:50
I agree in part Nina was the bigger person for apologizing (as much as I think Nina is a failure as a commander and never ceases to piss me off is irrelevant here) and Felli's comment was petty. It was necessary, someone had to correct those thoughts and attitude, Felli just went about it the wrong way because she was angry. I can understand Felli being enraged at Nina as well, not because of Layfon but because Nina has the sheer nerve to hide something so large and tactically important from her subordinates from whom she requires complete openness:frustrated:.

Well I can't say I agree. Felli words definitely didn't seem to change anything. Sharnid will still make inappropriate jokes, a lot of the burden will still fall to Layfon as he's the most powerful, and no attitudes changed at all expect maybe making Nina a little more depressed after Layfon had cheered her up a bit.

I agree Nina actions are questionable. That's why she asks them to understand and trust her. If Felli has a problem with that she should come out and say it to Nina. Also I don't believe Nina has ever asked for complete openness. I think you're referring to the instance with Layfon earlier. She asked him to explain himself about things that came to light about his past. If he said "trust me and believe in me" instead of playing the bad guy then that situation could have probably been avoided. She was certainly not blameless in that situation but Layfon bears a good portion of blame also.

Narona
2009-05-25, 01:06
I finally saw the episode with subs and I must say, all the people who are freaking out about how "immature" Felli is are vastly exaggerating her behaviour in this episode.

Yeah, she obviously is jealous of Nina getting so much positive attention from Layfon, but seeing how her quite earnest offer of doing anything for him were turned down by Mr. Oblivious, I can see how her jealousy could come about. I´d really like to see how she´d react to him getting so very determined about her safety.

But you shouldn´t forget that she has a very, very valid point: Nina is keeping something from everyone, and even though they don´t know it, what she is keeping from them could impact all their safety quite much.

So, I think Fellis reaction is at least 50% fully justified... the other 50% are understandable emotional turmoil, which should be especially difficult to deal with for a person who had to repress her feelings all her life.

At least from what I saw, I can now be sure that she didn´t orchestrate her own abduction. Phew. THAT would have been hard to justify.

Thanks for the infos. So that's the first real changes in comparison to the novels, right?_?

Anyway, Felli is jaelous, but she was not the only one who wanted some explanations on why Nina disappeared and reappeared above FM. I wonder if the others (especially the Bonde girl) would have accepted to not get any if Layfon hadn't took Nina's side on this matter.

zibi88
2009-05-25, 01:27
new pictures for next ep21 ^^

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1774/11353095.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11353095.jpg)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6015/65970334.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/my.php?image=65970334.jpg)



I guess now that Leerin is dead worried over Layfon becouse he is really cut (we see on 1picture Layfon kinda suffering and blood is splitting) and after that Leerin will come in and slap Layfon for mostly what he is doing

anyway it seems people see the killer intent and massive fight of Haia and Layfon :P (not that they are there but the kei flashing is huge :P)

Pradelus
2009-05-25, 01:29
I disliked Haia from the start; heck, I generally dislike all characters who have the whole "I'm better than you, even though it's been proven it ain't." act going on.
Though, with Haia's past, the grudge he has against Layfon will prove to be interesting in the coming episode. :rolleyes:

zibi88
2009-05-25, 01:55
I guess Haia heared from the letter that his master died.... and he has some kind of grudge against Layfon.... I guess that his own master was kinda happy to hear that Layfon got the HB.... Haia tryed his best and wanted to make his master proud of him but Layfon took it away by showing better skills...

Kinda dont know why he holds such grudge against Layfon maybe Haia felt that he couldnt reach his masters expectation (becouse Layfon becomed HB and not him)

Right now he mostly is trying to show who is better at psyharden skills.......Layfon got cut but what is the reason for it ??? I think becouse Layfon is useing sword and not katana (like haia) which is needed to show full extent of psyharden skills....(but if he would use it :P he would slice haia into small pices).......but man I would like to see Layfon useing katana or that sword that Leerin brought ^^

Felli is worried and maybe crying but mostly its becouse she sees that becouse of her own childish jelous actions Layfon might lose his life (that cut kinda on his torso where heart is located)...... Leerin is rather worried too (and pissed about his reckless actions) since she comed to Zerenii and now Layfon might lose his life in fight.... (but maybe it has the base of not wanting to take the sword that leerins father brought)


Anyway I want to see Layfon ending up with Leerin.... since she would break that stuggle between Felli and Nina :P (becouse of that jelousy both girls but not only themself in danger but even Layfon >__<).

ipernorris
2009-05-25, 02:17
I think Layfon is being slapped by Leerin for two possible reasons:
1) he was going to kill Haia and Leerin stopped him just in time.
2) the first time she saw him after so long he has a big injury on his shoulder, so she gets angry... :heh:

Anyway I think Layfon will win the fight against Haia WITHOUT the psyharden dite. I think he could easily kill Haia barehanded if he fought seriously and not half assed as usual.

-Sho-
2009-05-25, 03:51
Just watch this episode :

Felli was very jealous yeah , obviously . Layfon didn't pay any attention to her lol he was just happy with Nina's reunion XD now we can see that Layfon care very much to Nina . But don't forget that Layfon was angry when he knew that Felli was kidnapped . So 1 points for both of them .(but Nina got more points with the previous episode lol)
So , Shinola send Savaris not only to protect Leerin but to take The Haikizoku in Nina Hmmmm .
Nina should tell to the others that she got the haikizoku in her body . Karian mistrut Nina .
Myath vs Zuellni . We'll get a Intercity Match hurray . And Haia , god , beat him !
What is hilarious is Layfon will rescue Felli while Leerin comes in Zuellni and the intercity match will begins .
Yeah , we can see that the slap its Leerin . Dunno why .
Felli was cute when she was watching Myath .
Next episode !!!

(Forget that Shante was epic :p )

hellraiser85
2009-05-25, 03:57
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww53/Sei-sama_Album/slap0002.png

Certainly looks to me like Leerin sleeve not Felli's. Also Felli would probably kick him as per her normal M.O and she'd probably also need a step stool to get any kind of effective slap on him anyway.:heh:

ok this settles it, there's no more doubt it's leerin, i guess; thanks for the pic:-)

zibi88
2009-05-25, 03:58
No queen said to guard Leerin and not takeing care of that haikizoku......(leerin is the priority of this mission)...... but Savaris has his own plans which is to snap that haikizoku for himself :P

Well he brought leerin to zerenii so he thinks mission complete and what happens to her now is not his job.... since he has his own plans more important to himself XD

Anyway for why Leerin slaped layfon we will learn in next episode :P but anyway in ep22 something about grendan apperaing at horizont near zerenii gives the thinking..... kinda too fast (is it becouse queen ordered it to move there... or is it that grendan moves where lots of monsters will appear so near zerenii XD) time will show

But I guess Leerin slaps Layfon in deep care for him.... she is/was worried about him and so maybe that slap is to stop him from doing anymore (since he already is really hurt in that near shoudler area.... and fighting more could bring him death)

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 04:07
Thanks for the infos. So that's the first real changes in comparison to the novels, right?_?

Anyway, Felli is jaelous, but she was not the only one who wanted some explanations on why Nina disappeared and reappeared above FM. I wonder if the others (especially the Bonde girl) would have accepted to not get any if Layfon hadn't took Nina's side on this matter.

Actually there were many...they mixed up some happenings at the start and other than that i surely know:

Layfon was possessed by the Haikizokou at the ruined city and gone berserk until he somewhat rejected it. Many of Nina's bitchings are more understandable and more of Layfon's fault...And most of all: Layfon is actually thinks about women!

-Sho-
2009-05-25, 04:15
No queen said to guard Leerin and not takeing care of that haikizoku......(leerin is the priority of this mission)...... but Savaris has his own plans which is to snap that haikizoku for himself :P

Well he brought leerin to zerenii so he thinks mission complete and what happens to her now is not his job.... since he has his own plans more important to himself XD

Anyway for why Leerin slaped layfon we will learn in next episode :P but anyway in ep22 something about grendan apperaing at horizont near zerenii gives the thinking..... kinda too fast (is it becouse queen ordered it to move there... or is it that grendan moves where lots of monsters will appear so near zerenii XD) time will show

But I guess Leerin slaps Layfon in deep care for him.... she is/was worried about him and so maybe that slap is to stop him from doing anymore (since he already is really hurt in that near shoudler area.... and fighting more could bring him death)

Yeah but Haia said the queen Shinola send someone else ( a HB) to replace the Mercernaries .
The letter : " I will send one swing of sword . Leave the rest to that sword "
Fraud (the psychonetist ) : "She's sending a HB receiver to Zuellni"
Haia :"He will bring the Haikizoku to Grendan"
So its Savaris (in my opinion) .

Yeah Leerin care so much to Layfon :)
And maybe a kiss after ? :p like ep 1 .

zibi88
2009-05-25, 04:26
Just stop... dont start again that Nina bitching talk...... since again the arguments will start here..... and for that go talk to Nina thread there you can talk about arguments how much you want people ^^

And about what you said... Nina was going berserk too.... but Leerin calmed the goat inside Nina to a stable state... if Leerin was when Layfon was possesed by the goat she would calm it too....(and beisdes Nina was kinda at the begginig more stable becouse zerenii spirit helped nina in controling the berserk mode :P)... and Layfon get rid of that goat from his body which proofs his strenght since after the goat left his body he was alright...(he didnt ended up like Din when the goat left his body XD)

Anyway it seems that anime will go its own curse comapred to novel.... well people say that lots of things are different in the novel comapred to anime.... so I can kinda assume that anime will end in its own way (I doubt about second season.... they skipped already too much material that could be used in 2nd season :P)..... and since novel has no current ending the will have to make anime only ending

I guess that they wont explain more about Saya becouse there is that Legend of Regios episode (from those little clips) and so we will learn about Saya and what happened from that series episode...... so like many animes ended....... there will be a massive fight with some boss monsters where all 12th HB are needed....(after that maybe Queen will allow layfon to return to Grendan..... maybe Nina as beign possesed by haikizoku will be allowed to enter grendan too {along with felli since she is a good nen-I and HB have only that old hug which can die any minute XD} )

That massive fight kinda makes me thinking becouse why Leerin comes to Zerenii few episodes before end of the series while bringing that psyharden sword......well I see that Layfon will need all his skills and a weapon that will be able to hold up his kei power without breaking in order to fight something huge ^^

clarakiss~
2009-05-25, 04:53
felli slapped fonfon! :p you have to pause it correctly and it's definitely felli. she's probably upset because her rescuser (fonfon) took so long. lol good ep, good ep indeed! XD!

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 04:56
Just stop... dont start again that Nina bitching talk...... since again the arguments will start here..... and for that go talk to Nina thread there you can talk about arguments how much you want people ^^

And about what you said... Nina was going berserk too.... but Leerin calmed the goat inside Nina to a stable state... if Leerin was when Layfon was possesed by the goat she would calm it too....(and beisdes Nina was kinda at the begginig more stable becouse zerenii spirit helped nina in controling the berserk mode :P)... and Layfon get rid of that goat from his body which proofs his strenght since after the goat left his body he was alright...(he didnt ended up like Din when the goat left his body XD)

Anyway it seems that anime will go its own curse comapred to novel.... well people say that lots of things are different in the novel comapred to anime.... so I can kinda assume that anime will end in its own way (I doubt about second season.... they skipped already too much material that could be used in 2nd season :P)..... and since novel has no current ending the will have to make anime only ending

I guess that they wont explain more about Saya becouse there is that Legend of Regios episode (from those little clips) and so we will learn about Saya and what happened from that series episode...... so like many animes ended....... there will be a massive fight with some boss monsters where all 12th HB are needed....(after that maybe Queen will allow layfon to return to Grendan..... maybe Nina as beign possesed by haikizoku will be allowed to enter grendan too {along with felli since she is a good nen-I and HB have only that old hug which can die any minute XD} )

That massive fight kinda makes me thinking becouse why Leerin comes to Zerenii few episodes before end of the series while bringing that psyharden sword......well I see that Layfon will need all his skills and a weapon that will be able to hold up his kei power without breaking in order to fight something huge ^^


If you noticed it's not a certain character discussion. Just I said that it's far from the first change compared to the LN story...and brought up some examples.
I know that Nina gone berserk cause of the Haikizokou too. Actually there's hardly anyone who could resist and supress fully the power of the Haikizokou. There's only 2 sure examples: the Queen and Saya(who's currently inside Leerin). It's doubious that even Savaris can supress fully the immense will and power of the Haikizokou if he gets what he wants.
I hope a really open ending with the hope of second season(probably from vol 9 onwards)

magnuskn
2009-05-25, 05:06
felli slapped fonfon! :p you have to pause it correctly and it's definitely felli. she's probably upset because her rescuser (fonfon) took so long. lol good ep, good ep indeed! XD!

Uh, no. Unless you can give prove with pictures ( like Fellis white hair showing for a nanosecond ), this is Leerins sleeve.

clarakiss~
2009-05-25, 05:20
@ magnuskn - oh yes, you're right. i was mistaken. T.T i kinda got mixed up while watching three different kinds of anime (don't ask) :p

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 06:05
Yeah that did give off an odd feeling. Those two were practically oozing happiness. Oh wait that was sparkly sweat... :rolleyes:

It's the spring-time of youth as Gai-sensei says!

I agree in part Nina was the bigger person for apologizing (as much as I think Nina is a failure as a commander and never ceases to piss me off is irrelevant here) and Felli's comment was petty. It was necessary, someone had to correct those thoughts and attitude, Felli just went about it the wrong way because she was angry. I can understand Felli being enraged at Nina as well, not because of Layfon but because Nina has the sheer nerve to hide something so large and tactically important from her subordinates from whom she requires complete openness:frustrated:.

Since the info from LN states that Nina did tell them about the goat and Felli didn't really comment like "Fon-Fon so happy, drats", both characters went back to starting positions for me.

Yet if I were to still comment on how anime handled it: Nina's situation is pretty different compared to the previous situations. She's practically carrying this parasite that can turn her into a vegetable if someone tried to extract it out like done with Dinn. If I were to carry something like that, I could hesitate to tell about it till I had more information and even then, only to closest people. And apparently Nina does like that in the novel, which makes more sense. I guess they altered such a big change to spiral it towards the alternate end. :uhoh:

Felli's rant was still pointless, it's obvious that not only the platoon, but the whole city will continue to depend on Layfon. Nina already tried to distribute that burden from him to the rest of them in ep 16. She knows it better than Felli and had the guts to try a change rather than just whine about it. It doesn't work. Yet still, she apologized based on principle.

And something else: A commander can keep secrets from subordinates but subordinates cannot. It's not the same.

Von Himmel
2009-05-25, 06:09
Never thought the possibility that Leerin will meet Layfon in the animu. Oh well, I guess she might end up giving the dite to him.
This episode wasn't so particularly intresting, except the part when Felli kicked the can and Nina's shower scene :x I think this episode looks more like episode 16/17, which is a preparation for more epic episode in next week.
And Shante is going to become Layfon's harem too if she's not careful.

Fevvers
2009-05-25, 06:58
It didn't appear to me that Nina's character has regressed. I think her action makes a load of sense actually, especially considering the way she acted towards Dinn in this episode which was pretty effective to show that she's freaking terrified. Getting possessed by a Haikizoku (urg I can never spell that right) isn't an everyday occurrence for anyone, heck, what little info we've been given in terms of its extraction isn't exactly user-friendly either (see Dinn for example).

Nina's complicated feelings on this matter makes her a more interesting character for me; there is no doubt that she wants to do what's best for her team and Zuellini, hence her quick apologies to everyone, but I think it's much more realistic to say that underneath that selfless goal is someone who is uncertain and fearful of the possibility that she might just loose a part of herself (once again, see Dinn), or even worse, die in the process. Of course I want to see Nina all kick-ass and confident, and I believe we will get there in due time (if not in the anime, then in the LN), but she’s more multifaceted than that.

As for comparing the changes of the characters from the novel, I honestly don’t really care much for that for the simple fact that I haven’t even read the novels yet, except for the first volume and that most LN prose leaves me less than impress, and that so far I like what the show has been doing, barring some poorly developed characters so far (like Felli and Leerin, for instance). I don't know what exactly happens in the LN, but if we're only going to base this on the reality of the world the anime is set in, then a lot of the events, as well as most of the characters' choices, were sensibly built-up.

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 07:07
In short Nina hide secrets so Felli rants. Her reason for hiding it is for not to worry her squad and because she's terrified of it. Now the question is what level of potential danger that secret may cause if it’s not disclosed. If she could control them then okay, you're good. But so far it's quite the opposite where the goat could gone berserk if not taken preliminary measures.

And to make things easy, anime is anime, manga is manga, finally LN is LN. Appreciate or diss them for what they are.

Fevvers
2009-05-25, 07:20
That is, if she prolongs to keep the secret. Keep in mind, it's only been two days, I believe, since she came back from Myath, and as far as we can see whatever it was that Leerin did had some positive effects on controlling goat-chan, add to that Felli's kidnapping which would have gotten all their focus on.

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 07:20
I think she can "control" it. The Haikizokou's now at a supressed state and it only emerges when it notices one of it's or Nina's enemies(someone who's hated by the Goat or Nina...like the Ferrets:p). I hope it's going out of control a bit on the inter-city match to spice up things.

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 07:32
if she prolongs to keep that secret.
Or if she chooses to reveal them early so necessary precautionary measures possibly could be taken at an early stage. So far she chose to keep it so lets leave it as that. And if Nina could control the goat then she wouldn’t need to be absolutely terrified in the first place. Personally I say let the goat appear and you can have Fon-fon beat the shit out of it and maybe subdue it, as long as Savaris don't get his hands on it. Remember, a Haikizoku can be easily captured just by seizing the host.

Eurys
2009-05-25, 07:41
Well, not much happened in this episode at all. A bit disappointing since it's already episode 20.

Anyway, thank you Felli, for creating some well needed tension in this happy-go-lucky group (seriously, their lack of curiosity and reaction scares me, it was so... hivemind-ish) and for being a real human being I can relate to, with real flaws. I guess I'm a bit of a bitchy brat then, because I would totally react the same :heh:
But it doesn't help I absolutely hate when characters don't share vital information with others. It's such a contrived way to keep the drama going. Reminds me of characters in RPGs : "Impossible!" "What is it?" "No, nothing..." ARG, JUST TALK. I can already see Nina and Leerin never mentioning they met eachother :rolleyes:
I did like Nina's apologies a lot though. And glad to see her childhood friend was emotional over her.
Harem-wise, I don't think I can compare Layfon's reaction to Felli's predicament vs Nina's because here, Layfon's immediately knows what happened to her and what he needs to do. Although it seems obvious the anime favors Nina. Whatever.

A little thing that bugs me : why didn't they let the Salinvan guild take the haikizoku? I forgot if it was supposed to kill Din, but right now, Din is almost as good as dead and Layfon&co did let a haikizoku on the loose that possessed another person. Luckily Nina met Leerin but what if it had been another person? Seemed irresponsible to me.
Also, the fact Shena put an end to her love for Din just when he fried his brain doesnt make her look good imo. How convenient.
Loving Savaris' new pimping outfit :p

Fevvers
2009-05-25, 07:57
Well, like I said earlier, a lot of things are going on in her mind right now, reasonably so. The reason why I can’t seem to give more leeway to Felli here is because I honestly can’t tell whether she really is genuinely worried over Nina (as she said she was) and the City or if it has more to do with her ‘me me me’ attitude towards Layfon.

Even if the goat's in a supressed state, Nina doesn't know that. Either way, we have no idea for now whether Leerin's actions would have a lasting effect or a more temporary one on the goat.

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 08:39
Nina knows that Leerin helped her to supress the Haikizokou...perhaps even her not sure about how long the effect lasts. That's one of the reasons why she can't say anything. He wants to be honest but she can't worry anyone with her situation(not to mention that she's scared too).

Tyrone Biggums
2009-05-25, 08:41
I still thikn the Queen is waiting for Layfon to come back to Grendan and retake his post as a HB...I mean a few eps ago when Leerin asked if he could ever come back...didn't she say something about "it will be up to the sword"?

And now she is saying she is sending a "sword" to Zuelleni...Thoughts?

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 09:05
Anyway, thank you Felli, for creating some well needed tension in this happy-go-lucky group (seriously, their lack of curiosity and reaction scares me, it was so... hivemind-ish) and for being a real human being I can relate to, with real flaws. I guess I'm a bit of a bitchy brat then, because I would totally react the same :heh:

They're comrades in arms and it was Nina that tried her best to keep that group running by her personal effort, so she deserves some trust beyond the normal. (compared to Layfon's situation in ep 9 as he was a total enigma and wasn't known for long) Anyone showing that kind of mistrust would indeed be a bitchy brat, especially someone who has ulterior motives behind.

Well, like I said earlier, a lot of things are going on in her mind right now, reasonably so. The reason why I can’t seem to give more leeway to Felli here is because I honestly can’t tell whether she really is genuinely worried over Nina (as she said she was) and the City or if it has more to do with her ‘me me me’ attitude towards Layfon.

Even if the goat's in a supressed state, Nina doesn't know that. Either way, we have no idea for now whether Leerin's actions would have a lasting effect or a more temporary one on the goat.
Indeed, after witnessing what happened to Dinn, it's just very normal and human to freak out. It's worse than death.

Felli tried to use Nina's disappearance as a leverage to get Layfon and has a pretty bitter appearance about Nina coming back, going as far to express displeasure due to Layfon's relief. She definitely wouldn't care one bit even if Nina died, also see: ep 5.

Von Himmel
2009-05-25, 09:06
Is it just me, or is Nina getting stronger at fighting and controlling her Kei after gaining the Haikizoku ? It looks like to me that she can fight with Layfon in a more equal match than before her gaining the Haikizoku.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 09:07
I don't think so, Layfon is still having an easy time in that fight. And Haikizoku's powers seem to be activated only when we see that yellow aura, which hasn't happened during any actual combat yet.

Von Himmel
2009-05-25, 09:14
I know, but at least that she can be a little more equal than before. Right now she just seems like that she can give a couple more minutes than before. IMO though.

Or is it probably because the anime tried to potrayed how they both enjoyed the fight after the reunion ? ^^;;

zibi88
2009-05-25, 09:14
I still thikn the Queen is waiting for Layfon to come back to Grendan and retake his post as a HB...I mean a few eps ago when Leerin asked if he could ever come back...didn't she say something about "it will be up to the sword"?

And now she is saying she is sending a "sword" to Zuelleni...Thoughts?

that "sword" is meaning HB...... with sensing "sword to Zerenii" she meant she is sensing a HB [Savaris] to Zerenii....

Well Queen could allways say that Layfon cant return to Grendan.... yet she told that he can go back home but whatever Layfon will want to come back is not her worry and depends on Layfon..... episodes later (ep15 if I remember) queen was asking herself is she done right to expell Layfon (and in ep1 savais told that the queen herself has high hopes in Layfon....)....... she seems to regreat it now (what layfon did was wrong but what savaris is doing is worse xD [not listening to commands and tortureing people] )........ Layfon at least was listening to queen and he gived the HB position back and left the city without asking or complaining

So maybe the queen will give him a second chance of re-doing the things.... she would have 12th HB again.... and Leerin would be happy too (to have layfon close to her)

Mostly Queen left that 12th HB vacant becouse she hoped for Layfon to come back eventualy (to learn about world and gain some life knowlage...[queen told herself that Layfon was weak with life "immaturiity and lack of perception of the world"]........... even throught it was Canalice they dont accept winners of that arena fights for the position of new 12th HB... (and well after talk with Canalice queen started to think that she no longer can hold that 12th seat empty... its like she was holding that seat for Layfon as long as she can :P maybe she will talk with Layfon when grendan reaches Zerenii


About Nina... I hope she wont depent on that goat power since its kinda waek to use other powers while pretending that they are theirs....... Layfon gived Nina some tips when she overdone with training.... he saw that Nina's kei flow is chaotic and that makes her way harder to control and keep going..... and for gaining better control over it she has to stop thinking about herself as a human.... in order to live with kei..... Nina was not trying to learn how to control her kei flow in peace... but all what she was training is her psychical moves..... Why Nina didnt try to learn from Layfon since he has way more experiance in martial arts... she was not trying to talk and learn (like now shante was trainign with layfon for a while) but was all angry,jelous and hate.... and that led to overdoo her kei and collapsed without gaining anything...

I think that Layfons kei power was similar to ninas at the beggining.... but as he trained psyharden skills he started to gain more and more kei control and eventaly was able to gain othr kei colors (blue.green and yellow).... sine those yellow nidless are a psyharden skill and they need very precise kei control........so I think that if nina was training under Layfon than trying to train by herself she would end up without needing that goat........(that kinda proofs that Haia flashback.... when he was little kid he was weak not able to even draw kei... but now he has like we see from that pictures orange/fire like kei aura... so he gained that after serious training..... like from zero to hero :P [I think that both were not born with huge ass power at the beggining]

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 09:26
I know, but at least that she can be a little more equal than before. Right now she just seems like that she can give a couple more minutes than before. IMO though.

Or is it probably because the anime tried to potrayed how they both enjoyed the fight after the reunion ? ^^;;
I'd say that she improved as a martial artist and kei user over the course the series due to rigorous training and further experience in actual combat, not to mention with Layfon's personal advice. She was manhandling even platoon 1's grunts without effort back in ep 16. The goat's power (if it'll give something like super saiyan/bankai and the yellow aura looks just like that :p ) would have a much more drastic effect IMO.

panpo98
2009-05-25, 09:32
Didn't the Queen use words like invite the Goat and Savaris said that he wanted the Goat so poses him right? Do they relay have to kidnap anyone?

Nina haven't made any comments on Felli and Layfon ending up in hospital after all that effort and fighting filth monsters while looking for Nina and get nothing from Nina in return. The rest didn't do much except stand around until the 4th wave then Nina returned.

-Sho-
2009-05-25, 09:46
Maybe Nina is getting stronger but the Haikizoku is a double-edged . Nina know that and its why she asked help to Dino .
I can feel that Savaris will try to take the Haikizoku but we can have a Savaris vs Layfon fight in serious mode , full power !!

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 09:50
About Nina... I hope she wont depent on that goat power since its kinda waek to use other powers while pretending that they are theirs....... Layfon gived Nina some tips when she overdone with training.... he saw that Nina's kei flow is chaotic and that makes her way harder to control and keep going..... and for gaining better control over it she has to stop thinking about herself as a human.... in order to live with kei..... Nina was not trying to learn how to control her kei flow in peace... but all what she was training is her psychical moves..... Why Nina didnt try to learn from Layfon since he has way more experiance in martial arts... she was not trying to talk and learn (like now shante was trainign with layfon for a while) but was all angry,jelous and hate.... and that led to overdoo her kei and collapsed without gaining anything...
Sorry but you got it all wrong there. Nina accepted Layfon's advice when he offered without any doubts. See their dialogue when Nina was lying at hospital bed. From then on, they continued to train together. And Layfon makes those comments for literally everyone, see ep 20 versus Shante, earlier vs Naruki and other melee artists he trained with. It's like Kasparov versus local city champions, he's bound to see it that way.

And physical training is combined with kei training, we see that even normal physical moves depend on kei, not just when they do 'hadouken' stuff. This is also based on Layfon's comments like "not enough kei on your legs", etc.

Angry, jealous and hatred parts has no basis whatsoever, so..

I think that Layfons kei power was similar to ninas at the beggining.... but as he trained psyharden skills he started to gain more and more kei control and eventaly was able to gain othr kei colors (blue.green and yellow).... sine those yellow nidless are a psyharden skill and they need very precise kei control........so I think that if nina was training under Layfon than trying to train by herself she would end up without needing that goat........(that kinda proofs that Haia flashback.... when he was little kid he was weak not able to even draw kei... but now he has like we see from that pictures orange/fire like kei aura... so he gained that after serious training..... like from zero to hero :P [I think that both were not born with huge ass power at the beggining]
Pure speculation. Another speculation can be made based on the queen's search for HB users indicate that they're looking for 'gifted' people. Layfon was a nobody when Lincense began training him. So they don't just take a random kid off the street to train. What kind of gift he had, we've yet to see.

And Nina is his superior, she cannot train 'under' him. They can train together and they do, she has never put up a resistance based on pride, so your comments have no real basis it seems.

Eurys
2009-05-25, 10:28
They're comrades in arms and it was Nina that tried her best to keep that group running by her personal effort, so she deserves some trust beyond the normal.
That's your opinion. Nina and Felli to me are just coworkers, I don't see any bond or even true friendship between them. They don't even seem to be NAKAMA. And if I was in the army and worked for someone who mysteriously disappeared in needed time, suddenly popped out out of nowhere, and refused to tell more, I wouldn't trust him/her (and it makes even more sense in the novel if Nina admitted she had a very dangerous spirit in her).
You think she's a bitchy brat, I don't, agree to disagree.

ps: I didn't attack Nina at all in my post (apart from the "not telling" device) and yet, my post is ripped apart to bash Felli. Lol shippers.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 10:31
All others in the squad gave her that trust because they thought she deserved it as well. Only one to mistrust her? Felli.

And yes, Felli doesn't care one bit about Nina. Nina does though, see her conversation with the president at this episode.

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 10:47
And her quick excuse because of Sharnid's comment...
I think even Felli cares about her but she still distances herself from the others(except Layfon...maybe). She hardly trusts anyone.

panpo98
2009-05-25, 10:52
All others in the squad gave her that trust because they thought she deserved it as well. Only one to mistrust her? Felli.

And yes, Felli doesn't care one bit about Nina. Nina does though, see her conversation with the president at this episode.

It is the lest Nina should do after what Felli and Layfon went trough to find her. The rest of the squad did nothing to find Nina so it is no surprise that they care only slightly more what Nina did in her absent.

zibi88
2009-05-25, 11:06
becouse she feels beign used by others sometimes against her will.... like shanrid told.... we depend on Layfon's power.... she mostly felt that they act like parasites clinging to a person and use them (sometimes against their will) for their own worries.....

Like Fellis brother was exploiting Layfon becouse of his power... he didnt cared that he might die there killed by filth monsters (alone becouse he was tired of long fight)

Right now its similar..... they want to put the whole match against Mayath city on Layfons and Fellis shoulders becouse of their power....... its obvious that Fellis is angry she has reasons..... since becouse Nina disapeared she and Layfon had to undergoo waves of monsters (only they were working to protect the city) and so Fellis feels like she deserves at least a answer what happened that made her undergoo such presure...

Layfon is simply happy that Nina returned so he doesnt have to blame himself for her disaperance anymore.....Felli didnt felt that way becouse it was not her that told nina to go to zerenii at that time.... (yet nina should have told them... she would feel more light at heart and people surrounding her would give her support)

In my opinion Layfon and Felli should not take a part in that match between cities... becouse the win would be obvious.... and without them Nina would gain self belive in her own power and not someone else's (she lacks that for now...)

Right now Nina should be more motivated to win... since she wants to protect zerenii and the same she knows that Layfon wont be there to rescue them... ^^ so for her right now is "do or die" and acting reckless is bad here...

Eurys
2009-05-25, 11:20
All others in the squad gave her that trust because they thought she deserved it as well. Only one to mistrust her? Felli.
Is it the idealisticperfect reaction? No. But it is a very human and very realistic reaction coming from Felli. Because she's more prudent, individualistic and distanced from everyone else. Because she doesn't have that carefree "let's take things as they are" attitude. Because she and Layfon exhausted themselves to find Nina and protect the city while she was away, and she probably expects some well-deserved explanation.
Because she just saw Layfon take responsibility for everything and risk his life. And hearing Sharnid joke casually about Layfon fighting for them once again made her finally snap. Like zibi88 said, it relates to her feeling used and mostly to Layfon's powers being used in her view. All.in.character.
That plus her jealousy of course. Ugly but human emotion. It's not like Layfon will fall in love with her just now and she'll be rewarded for that little scene. Let's let her time to develop.

And yes, Felli doesn't care one bit about Nina.
Oh, I bet you're wrong here. Once again, she probably doesn't have the altruistic rightful morals of Nina, nor her huge devotion to the platoon members, but I bet she cares. Why would it be shown in this episode anyway, since Nina wasn't in danger ?
Oh and let me let you on a little secret : all the people in the 17th platoon are good people. I knoooooow, it sounds crazy :heh: but they are. They're all different, with different flaws and good points, but they're nice people inside.

panpo98
2009-05-25, 11:33
Yeah, They would need to keep Felli and Layfon busy for those 2 make the victors obvious.

I actually don't care if Nina would have told her story right away as long as she at least tried and acknowledge Felli efforts and not only Layfon. Nina could try ramble some random words and stop and say she isn't ready then they don't understand what she is trying to saying. The locations of the Goat and what it wanted doesn't even have to come up until she is ready.

Now her friends have no clue at all or why she doesn't say.
It could be anything as far as they know.
They have no way of knowing.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 11:35
It is the lest Nina should do after what Felli and Layfon went trough to find her. The rest of the squad did nothing to find Nina so it is no surprise that they care only slightly more what Nina did in her absent.
Now, it'd be better if she told. And she does in the original story, the novel, so I'll not go out of my way to try and explain incoherent, made-up story by somebody working at the anime studio. Still, even after that, she deserves this much trust from them about something she's showing sincere agony over. Only Layfon did something that counts and he's willing to give that unlike a certain someone.
becouse she feels beign used by others sometimes against her will.... like shanrid told.... we depend on Layfon's power.... she mostly felt that they act like parasites clinging to a person and use them (sometimes against their will) for their own worries.....
And thus Nina apologized for, only to see her subordinate's behind as response. Such a kind superior is practically non-existent.

Like Fellis brother was exploiting Layfon becouse of his power... he didnt cared that he might die there killed by filth monsters (alone becouse he was tired of long fight)
He values 60k people over 1 person, you can't blame such a mentality. He still wanted him to be safe if possible, see how he forcibly hospitalized him earlier to make him rest. His death would be bad for the city as well.
Right now its similar..... they want to put the whole match against Mayath city on Layfons and Fellis shoulders becouse of their power....... its obvious that Fellis is angry she has reasons..... since becouse Nina disapeared she and Layfon had to undergoo waves of monsters (only they were working to protect the city) and so Fellis feels like she deserves at least a answer what happened that made her undergoo such presure...
Nope, it's just Layfon. Felli doesn't mean much in the big picture. Felli's angry because Layfon drifts farther away from her in his new path to defend others from harm. Felli has to follow suit to have a chance with him as well. It all totally went opposed to her original plan to escape with Layfon from burden to live carefree together. The way she acts looks like she just uses the question as an excuse to have Nina alienated from Layfon.

Layfon is simply happy that Nina returned so he doesnt have to blame himself for her disaperance anymore.....Felli didnt felt that way becouse it was not her that told nina to go to zerenii at that time.... (yet nina should have told them... she would feel more light at heart and people surrounding her would give her support)
Layfon is happy and relieved because someone he cared deeply (doesn't mean love but there's at least a strong and close friendship) for is returned unharmed. Felli doesn't care because she never ever cared in the first place. Nina is practically the only other reason except the president that causes Felli's plans go wrong. She held the platoon together till Layfon arrived, she caused Layfon to awaken, she gained Layfon's affection and attention, she caused them to keep fighting against extreme odds and 'the hug'. It would really be abnormal for Felli to not have at least sub-conscious anger.

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 11:39
Nina’s aftermath for hiding the secret pales greatly compared on Layfon’s feats while hiding his secrets.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 11:48
Is it the idealisticperfect reaction? No. But it is a very human and very realistic reaction coming from Felli. Because she's more prudent, individualistic and distanced from everyone else. Because she doesn't have that carefree "let's take things as they are" attitude. Because she and Layfon exhausted themselves to find Nina and protect the city while she was away, and she probably expects some well-deserved explanation.
Because she just saw Layfon take responsibility for everything and risk his life. And hearing Sharnid joke casually about Layfon fighting for them once again made her finally snap. Like zibi88 said, it relates to her feeling used and mostly to Layfon's powers being used in her view. All.in.character.
That plus her jealousy of course. Ugly but human emotion. It's not like Layfon will fall in love with her just now and she'll be rewarded for that little scene. Let's let her time to develop.
Well, yup. I don't like her as she only displays the ugly sides of the human character. Not a villain but is on the borderline of being not one.


Oh, I bet you're wrong here. Once again, she probably doesn't have the altruistic rightful morals of Nina, nor her huge devotion to the platoon members, but I bet she cares. Why would it be shown in this episode anyway, since Nina wasn't in danger ?
It doesn't have to be this episode, just try to give one example of Felli doing anything for Nina.

Oh and let me let you on a little secret : all the people in the 17th platoon are good people. I knoooooow, it sounds crazy :heh: but they are. They're all different, with different flaws and good points, but they're nice people inside.
I'm unsure. You know, in fantasy novels, you can have a party that's journeying to save the world yet have evil people with their own agendas hidden among them. By all means, Felli looks suited to pull a Boromir/Raistlin on them sometime in the future. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone can prove me wrong at this point in the story.

I actually don't care if Nina would have told her story right away as long as she at least tried and acknowledge Felli efforts and not only Layfon. Nina could try ramble some random words and stop and say she isn't ready then they don't understand what she is trying to saying. The locations of the Goat and what it wanted doesn't even have to come up until she is ready.

Now her friends have no clue at all or why she doesn't say.
It could be anything as far as they know.
They have no way of knowing.
Rather than having them confused and in doubt, not saying anything is the more prudent action. Would you like your friend to just say "I have a disease... Never mind, I'm not ready to tell yet"? It could be a cold, it could be cancer. Why would you want your friend make you worry like that?
Nina’s aftermath for hiding the secret pales greatly compared on Layfon’s feats while hiding his secrets.
I don't know what exactly do you mean by that, but I don't consider her keeping secret as canon in any case. My only argument is how others should have acted in such a situation.

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 11:52
]I don't know what exactly do you mean by that, but I don't consider her keeping secret as canon in any case. My only argument is how others should have acted in such a situation.

Sorry, but I was referring to this,

They're comrades in arms and it was Nina that tried her best to keep that group running by her personal effort, so she deserves some trust beyond the normal. (compared to Layfon's situation in ep 9 as he was a total enigma and wasn't known for long) Anyone showing that kind of mistrust would indeed be a bitchy brat, especially someone who has ulterior motives behind.

Kindly give me with an explanation, because I'm tempted to give more coherent facts.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 11:59
Sorry, but I was referring to this,

Kindly give me with an explanation, because I'm tempted to give more coherent facts.
Ah, okay. Let's see..

First of all, she's their captain and the founder of the platoon. She recruited them and fought with them for quite some time. She also doesn't keep any secrets from them. (till the non-canon event in this last ep) She doesn't act suspiciously and always acts for the good of others through selfless acts.

On the other hand, we have ep 9 Layfon: A newcomer with godly powers, past totally unknown till then, (and not fully revealed even afterward) hides his power intentionally, changes his stance on that matter several times so it's apparent he has hidden reasons for that. A total enigma. And BAM! He tells the crimes he did without any regret whatsoever, not telling the exact circumstances.

There are WORLDS of difference.

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 12:04
Ah, okay. Let's see..

First of all, she's their captain and the founder of the platoon. She recruited them and fought with them for quite some time. She also doesn't keep any secrets from them. (till the non-canon event in this last ep) She doesn't act suspiciously and always acts for the good of others through selfless acts.

On the other hand, we have ep 9 Layfon: A newcomer with godly powers, past totally unknown till then, (and not fully revealed even afterward) hides his power intentionally, changes his stance on that matter several times so it's apparent he has hidden reasons for that. A total enigma. And BAM! He tells the crimes he did without any regret whatsoever, not telling the exact circumstances.

There are WORLDS of difference.

Indeed, where the guy in secret contributed far much than the captain could ever achieved. And now the captain is basically a walking timebomb with no means of controlling her powers. Whereas Felli’s insistence (regardless what her reason may is) for the captain to reveal her secret could’ve provided them with at least an earlier remedy on that particular matter.

satomianzaki
2009-05-25, 12:05
well...if you'll ask me, i also don't see Felli cares that much about Nina...

so she don't have that much of a right to hold a grudge against her Taichou for not telling them what really happened...and for Nina to actually stoop down and humble herself thru apologizing to Felli, eventhough she's the Captain (meaning the subordinates entrust themselves under her), just made me like Nina more...Nina actually is very sorry for making them all worried, can't Felli at least wait for her to be ready to tell them her secrets? oh jealousy (could also lead to envy if she's not careful)...

in episode 18, it seems to me that if Layfon is not that really eager to fight Filth Monsters, she wouldn't be there in the first place (remember there are also other Nen-i users or whatever like her in Zuellini)...i don't see Felli acting in her own accordance to actually protect Zuellini and its inhabitants...or to continually search for survivors if ever their Taichou is somehow amidst the FM...she's doing it only for Layfon...

i maybe wrong here and may actually be harsh about it, but that is how i perceive it...she lacks self development...to actually have not a reason/goal to fight for is actually a failure of individuals given with such a special/tremendous power...in this instance its Felli...it seems to me that as episodes passed, if she'll be given a chance to cling to Layfon, then i think she'll do it...okay maybe i exaggerated a bit...goodness...a girl like her is like...whatever..a girl with pretty face but...just that....a girl with pretty face...sorry but just wanna let it out..

its only my opinion...just wanted to defend nina since it's always her that receives heavy blows...almost everything that nina does is wrong...or always have flaws in her decisions and actions...i am kinda used to it...but what is kinda disturbing is that if its Felli, her actions are justifiable? yeah right...

oh well... :rolleyes:

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 12:15
Well Nina’s a hypocrite for wanting to know everything about someone’s potential danger, but she alone didn’t realize the potential danger that she’s actually carrying and kept everything ‘bout herself and that particular fact hidden.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 12:20
Indeed, where the guy in secret contributed far much than the captain could ever achieved. And now the captain is basically a walking timebomb with no means of controlling her powers. Whereas Felli’s insistence (regardless what her reason may is) for the captain to reveal her secret could’ve provided them with at least an earlier remedy on that particular matter.
Trust is based on people's intentions and acts, no matter how small or big the impact is. The secret-keeping is non-canon as I said, so I won't comment on that. I already stated that it made no sense based on the personality of Nina.

oh well... :rolleyes:
Much agreed, but such is the fate of lawful good characters. :) They just can't act irresponsibly and conveniently on any matter, so they're bound to draw the lightnings sooner or later. And Felli is like that certain other character on that most popular manga, looks overshadow intentions no matter what it seems. Not that I get the the dig on her looks to be honest, but tastes differ I guess. :heh:

zibi88
2009-05-25, 12:24
Well but that doesnt change the fact that Nina "hid" the truth from them so she stopped to be a fully open person like she was earlier with this ^^

Every human has its own secrets and its rude to dig forcefully the truth like Nina did with Layfon (that was damn rude in my eyes)..... Layfon could demand the same truth from Nina but he is a calm person and he will wait when the time comes where Nina will be able to tell.....

Even the queen has many secrets and digging them up is close to death XD so becouse nina is the captrain doesnt put her in charge of digging in other people lifes becouse she wants to know...... so what will she demand from layfon informatin if he is a virgin,if he has a girlfriend or did he ever kissed becouse she is the captain and she wants to know ^^

I kinda understand what Fellis feels..... but if it turns out that she got herself captured without hesitation of pure jelousy over Layfon acting near Nina now than seriously she will act worse than a child >__< (and in a time like this... when the platoon and whole city's future depends on cooperation in the fight)

Im not Nina or Felli fan since too much of arguing between those 2fan's sides XD.... Im personaly rooting for Leerin she is only neutral person and she knows Layfon the most from everyone in both Zerenii and Grendan ^^ (I wonder if she would help nina if she know that Layfon is in her squad xD)

Well Nina’s a hypocrite for wanting to know everything about someone’s potential danger, but she alone didn’t realize the potential danger that she’s actually carrying and kept everything ‘bout herself and that particular fact hidden.

yeah I would agree with you.... since what would happen if durring an important fight Nina starts getting hurt by the goat...... her squad members dont know the truth so they dont know what is going on..... if she told them beforehand they could at least prepare some plan to supress that goat if it starts hurting nina......... its dangerous what she is doing with not telling...

Anyway when Leerin reunites with Layfon and so she will met the same Nina.... everyone will be "HOW!? and when " they met..... so Nina will have to reveal the truth...... so it would be better if they learned from Nina herself and not in an accident of Leerin apperaing at Layfons side ^^

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 12:26
Indeed, where the guy in secret contributed far much than the captain could ever achieved. And now the captain is basically a walking timebomb with no means of controlling her powers. Whereas Felli’s insistence (regardless what her reason may is) for the captain to reveal her secret could’ve provided them with at least an earlier remedy on that particular matter.

One thing: No matter what the someone's done if he/she does with a suspicious attitude then he/she remains suspicious. Even if Layfon saved the city once and Nina three times he actually nullified his achievements with his attitude without any sense of regret when he actually told (part of) the truth. Actually i think Nina knew that Layfon isn't a bad person, but the whole thing was a shock to her to just suddenly accept it. In contrast Felli accepted that because she clearly distanced from the problems and she only cares about the Layfon she sees(actually in some cases it would be pretty foolish, but thankfully not in Layfon's)
In contrast in ep 20 We've got Nina. Who's their captain for months, a well-known famous military artist in Zuellni and known for her honestity and goodwill. On the top of that she's clearly in pain about something that probably too painfull and confusing to her actually tell about it to anyone and even with that she apologising for everyone because of it.

The difference is huge.
Well Nina’s a hypocrite for wanting to know everything about someone’s potential danger, but she alone didn’t realize the potential danger that she’s actually carrying and kept everything ‘bout herself and that particular fact hidden.
No...she's the Captain.:p

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 12:38
In contrast in ep 20 We've got Nina. Who's their captain for months, a well-known famous military artist in Zuellni and known for her honestity and goodwill. On the top of that she's clearly in pain about something that probably too painfull and confusing to her actually tell about it to anyone and even with that she apologising for everyone because of it.

You mean her recklessness and gung-ho attitude that contributed to the city losing to Myath 2 years prior; who had liked to depend on Layfon a lot, had an inferiority complex, lost a match in ep 16 because of her arrogance?

And you considered Layfon’s thought on willing to be used for the good of the overall people and from his actions actually didn’t prove he’s actually a ‘good’ person?

No...she's the Captain.

Who’s a hypocrite and doesn’t think about the imminent threat about herself.

satomianzaki
2009-05-25, 12:41
@TK: a hypocrite...so who do you think is in the more dangerous position? is it nina or the people around her? she's in a life-threatening situation here that's why she's very terrified...she don't have the proper words and enough courage to tell it to others...not just yet...that's why she tried to asked Din on what to do...well, it's pretty obvious he can't help her...so Nina is trying to resolve it on her own...doesn't surprise me much since she's like that...just when she tried to become stronger and trained alone...i think she's probably aware if she's really a ticking time bomb...i'd say she should have an alternative career...a terrorist maybe...just kidding...

@Zibi: please don't misunderstand the position of a Taichou...she's not a government official you know who will try to use her power to just get information from others eventhough they don't like it...well not all officials are like that and besides its not listed as one of Nina's principles...abuse of power? definitely not like her...

:heh:

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 12:44
Well but that doesnt change the fact that Nina "hid" the truth from them so she stopped to be a fully open person like she was earlier with this ^^
Non-canon, made up by anime staff. I'll refrain from commenting as I can't prove something over made-up facts, anime staff is no more credible than fan fiction writers.

Every human has its own secrets and its rude to dig forcefully the truth like Nina did with Layfon (that was damn rude in my eyes)..... Layfon could demand the same truth from Nina but he is a calm person and he will wait when the time comes where Nina will be able to tell.....
He knows what kind of person Nina is now, she didn't know him as well back then.
Even the queen has many secrets and digging them up is close to death XD so becouse nina is the captrain doesnt put her in charge of digging in other people lifes becouse she wants to know...... so what will she demand from layfon informatin if he is a virgin,if he has a girlfriend or did he ever kissed becouse she is the captain and she wants to know ^^

Irrelevant with the matter at hand, he was her subordinate and she has the right to know any secrets that can have an effect on the platoon. It wasn't something personal.
yeah I would agree with you.... since what would happen if durring an important fight Nina starts getting hurt by the goat...... her squad members dont know the truth so they dont know what is going on..... if she told them beforehand they could at least prepare some plan to supress that goat if it starts hurting nina......... its dangerous what she is doing with not telling...

Anyway when Leerin reunites with Layfon and so she will met the same Nina.... everyone will be "HOW!? and when " they met..... so Nina will have to reveal the truth...... so it would be better if they learned from Nina herself and not in an accident of Leerin apperaing at Layfons side ^^
Well, they made these alterations to make anime season have a solid end apparently, but I do hope that they won't screw Nina's personality completely just for that. They wouldn't want to see me angry.. :eyebrow:

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 12:52
I'll refrain from commenting as I can't prove something over made-up facts, anime staff is no more credible than fan fiction writers.

Ultramarinus, with all due respect. If you want to argue about the characters based on the novel alone then you should do that in the novel section, or the character section to some extent. This is afterall, an ep 20 anime discussion thread.

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 12:55
You mean her recklessness and gung-ho attitude that contributed to the city losing to Myath 2 years prior; who had liked to depend on Layfon a lot, had an inferiority complex, lost a match in ep 16 because of her arrogance?

And you considered Layfon’s thought on willing to be used for the good of the overall people and from his actions actually didn’t prove he’s actually a ‘good’ person?



Who’s a hypocrite and doesn’t think about the imminent threat about herself.

Acttually they lost to the city where they found the Goat and Nina wasn't at fault...they would have lost the match with her proper cooperation or without it. because she couldn't reach the flag before the other team even with her reckless rush. Her reckless rush maybe even enough if she could calculate in the mines.
You lists only the facts without mentioning the situations and spirits behind it. The world not exclusively consists just facts(otherwise things like Faith and Relligion would've never existed:p).
But then we should just think about it otherwise:.
What if Nina was wrong to mistrust in Layfon then? Then it means Felli's wrong too to mistrust Nina?
Ultramarinus, with all due respect. If you want to argue about the characters based on the novel alone then you should do that in the novel section, or the character section to some extent. This is afterall, an ep 20 anime discussion thread.
Agree. We like it or not but both the characters and the story of the LN and the Anime is different. We hardly can use the LN to justify something in the Anime.(it's other thing if we're talking in a character thread)

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 13:17
Ultramarinus, with all due respect. If you want to argue about the characters based on the novel alone then you should do that in the novel section, or the character section to some extent. This is afterall, an ep 20 anime discussion thread.
Well, I'm commenting on the other aspects of the topic still. It's not like I'm not countering others' comments, I'm only withholding my opinion on one event. Same thing goes for Felli's comment about Layfon's happiness, I stopped pondering that as well when I learned the truth.
Agree. We like it or not but both the characters and the story of the LN and the Anime is different. We hardly can use the LN to justify something in the Anime.(it's other thing if we're talking in a character thread)
The thing is that, the real, original author created those characters and had them keep going with coherence of their personalities.

And I already said that Nina should have told them about it, but still is understandable if she's that freaked out, like how they showed it. I'd certainly be that scared myself.

willyvereb
2009-05-25, 13:28
Actually I interested in one thing : what would Felli do in Nina's shoes? It's interesting...I like to think about situations with switched characters.

TrueKnight
2009-05-25, 13:47
Acttually they lost to the city where they found the Goat and Nina wasn't at fault...they would have lost the match with her proper cooperation or without it. because she couldn't reach the flag before the other team even with her reckless rush. Her reckless rush maybe even enough if she could calculate in the mines.

You mean where she could have died instead?

What if Nina was wrong to mistrust in Layfon then? Then it means Felli's wrong too to mistrust Nina?

If Nina had trusted Layfon back then by considering all he’s done then maybe I wouldn’t have raise this issue, but for hiding a potential timebomb within herself without telling, I’d still blame her.

Well, I'm commenting on the other aspects of the topic still. It's not like I'm not countering others' comments, I'm only withholding my opinion on one event. Same thing goes for Felli's comment about Layfon's happiness, I stopped pondering that as well when I learned the truth.

The thing is that, the real, original author created those characters and had them keep going with coherence of their personalities.


Hefty amount of events were changed from the novel and many scenes were cut. This includes Layfon’s overall personality where he’s more ‘lively’ at least from the novels. I started realizing this from episode 5 because of some of the infos shared by the novel readers back then. Pissed at first but gradually accepted that the anime is on a world of its own. Few other series also taken this route where the anime differs from the original materials (games, novels, manga yadayada), *cough*Gonzo*cough* like Chrno Crusade, Valkyria Chronicles and Fullmetal Alchemist 2003.

what would Felli do in Nina's shoes? with the same character as right now, probably finding her own path instead of a military artist. But this analogy is too broad, I mean what Savaris would’ve done if he’s in Miffi’s shoes? Still torturing ants for sure but I doubt about the rest.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 14:05
Actually I interested in one thing : what would Felli do in Nina's shoes? It's interesting...I like to think about situations with switched characters.
Not sure how to ponder on that. And from what point on, about keeping the secret? Because Haikizoku wouldn't possess her in the first place, strong willpower and desire to defend city requirement. :P
Hefty amount of events were changed from the novel and many scenes were cut. This includes Layfon’s overall personality where he’s more ‘lively’ at least from the novels. I started realizing this from episode 5 because of some of the infos shared by the novel readers back then. Pissed at first but gradually accepted that the anime is on a world of its own. Few other series also taken this route where the anime differs from the original materials (games, novels, manga yadayada), *cough*Gonzo*cough* like Chrno Crusade, Valkyria Chronicles and Fullmetal Alchemist 2003.
To my knowledge, this is the first big alteration that was made, based on what people told about the LN. Omitting a fact isn't that critical as altering it, especially if it's a true/false statement.

It's true that many series has serious changes like that, but I try to judge a character based on the original if I have knowledge about it. Otherwise it's pretty much like, "I don't know man, this is just not him/her" when they make a change like that. But I'm aware that this thread is solely based on the anime, so I refrain from a comment that I have nothing to base on other than fan-fiction grade story.

Nina telling or not telling it changes quite a bit of things. It's not that drastic, but I don't know if the anime staff will make her the scapegoat (no pun intended :heh: ) to just connect loose ends towards the conclusion. I certainly won't be able to justify her actions then, but I cannot blame either.

-Sho-
2009-05-25, 15:51
LOOL , another battle Nina vs Felli started !

zalem
2009-05-25, 15:55
20 episodes in and my feelings about Felli have changed. I used to like her in the beginning, but I'm just sick of the way she behaves. It's gotten old for me. If I have to support a ship at this point it's going to be LayfonxNina.

DragoZERO
2009-05-25, 17:05
Well.. it looks like Leerin needs to find Layfon and quick! I also demand my comedic relief from all the girls meeting each other! lol.

daimonth
2009-05-25, 17:21
That is definitely Leerin next episode, I can only hope that they don't mess around with that scene too much...

There are certainly alot of changes between the novel and anime, alot of event and explanations were changed and omitted... Last episode is basically missing half of the events in the novel...

Deathkillz
2009-05-25, 17:46
20 episodes in and my feelings about Felli have changed. I used to like her in the beginning, but I'm just sick of the way she behaves. It's gotten old for me.
And so has a few other people who have gotten insanely annoying for me to watch so I won't be voting for anyone at all.

Felli has always been the "selfish" type so what she has done doesn't seem to be out of order with her personality. It is natural that she becomes jealous of Nina for getting so much of Layfon's special attention when herself isn't getting any (not forgetting that ambiguous response to her pure maiden feelings blah blah blah). So with that in mind I actually think that there is a chance that she may have gone with Haia without much resistance to see whether Layfon cares for her as much as Nina if she went missing aswell. Oh boy, whatever happened to bug squashing?

As for Nina, she has just turned into a annoying bucket of angst and emoness. She knows nothing at all and is naive as heck, it just pains me to watch someone who can't get anything right. Naturally for those who disagree, this is just my personal feelings. To me Nina is a type of character who wishes to be stronger and works hard to be so but is stupid enough to forget the basics such as teamwork. And now with this new twist of her impending doom she is confused, lost and emo but still she tries to act strong but you can clearly see that as being a big bluff. I just hate people like her who lies to themselves for "the sake of everyone else" but in fact that sake is a complete mess. She doesn't even know what to do anymore nevermind trying to defend the city without help.

Layfon is just...Layfon...my image of him has long since perished. :rolleyes:

Edit: Oh, and to be clear, Felli current constant jealousy mode also annoys the heck out of me aswell, thanks Ultramarinus :rolleyes:

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 18:05
I never could think that consistent vices could be regarded as better than consistent virtues with some human failings in between. :rolleyes:

addict2anime
2009-05-25, 18:41
Blah all this felli bashing is getting annoyed... I don't like how any of the characters are actually developing ~.~ Though i do feel that Felli had every right to act that way towards Nina. Felli's never been the emotionally tied, where the heck did you go type of person with the exception of fonfon. She's always used her head to try and figure out things, like in the very beginning of the series where Nina would misintepret fon fon while Felli understood it all. It's the type of person she is o-o. In the sense where Felli doesn't care about Nina, meh... I'm sure she does in some way she rarely shows any concern to anybody besides fon fon anyway.

Nina's also right in the sense where she doesn't wanna tell them because she doesn't wanna hurt them... Though, in the long run, the fact she's hiding this might everyone. Right now she's acting like Oz from Pandora hearts. Righteous people are so annoying sometimes... Nina honestly can't do anything alone any way ~.~

Fevvers
2009-05-25, 19:13
@ultramarinus

I don't think having consistent vices in fiction is a bad thing (I mean see Shigurui for some of the most reprehensible characters ever in fiction yet still managed to be consistently fascinating and well-written based on the thematic qualities of the show) just as long as the show recognizes that, and aren't just used mostly to be cute or to be glorified.

I thought Layfon's reaction that Felli was being rude in this episode was a start, very very late acknowledgement, yes, but I suppose we've still got some episodes left to get further growth. I dunno. Or perhaps this is only wishful thinking on my part for the character. Heh.


Blah all this felli bashing is getting annoyed... I don't like how any of the characters are actually developing ~.~

The thread's been pretty well-behaved so far, besides, this isn’t the ‘LET’S PRAISE FELLI NOR NINA THREAD!’

Ultramarinus
2009-05-25, 19:26
Well, the thing is that some annoying vices in a supposedly 'good' character totally repulse me if they don't have any other redeeming qualities. It's not that I'm against all kinds of vices, I certainly enjoy good villains as any other goodie two shoes and I can also find them entertaining in if they're balanced well, in protagonists or anti-heroes.

As for Regios discussions in general, I was rather boggled by how Felli's all actions were justified by 'good standards' and by the same standards, Nina was blamed for for everything she did or tried to do. My earlier comment arose from that. It's not that I criticize taste or preference, but due to how I cannot grasp those standards.

Fevvers
2009-05-25, 19:56
While I don't think Felli's flaws have been treated as such in the duration of the show except for this episode (which like I said earlier has been long-overdue), I have a feeling she does care for her teammates but, yeah, it does get overshadowed by her Layfon-ism. Which is exactly what I want to see acknowledged in the future by either Felli herself, the rest of the characters or by virtue of the consequences of her selfish actions, and if she changes from that then all the better, but more than anything else, to recognize that those flaws aren't to be cuddled and glorified.

Whereas Nina's flaws have been constantly shoved to her face by the other characters themselves (by her superiors and former teammates), and she has never really gotten the easy way out on anything (and no, gaining goat-chan is not an easy way out especially when it has all the possibilities that it could take full control of her anytime).

Anyway, I'm basically agreeing with you on Nina, except I kinda think Felli still has hope. It could change, but, you know, we’ll see. ;)

magnuskn
2009-05-26, 02:45
Could anyone explain to me how Felli being annoyed at Nina for not sharing critical information with the rest of her squad is somehow construed as Felli being selfish?

Rude, yeah, in a sense. But, hey, Nina *still* didn´t deemed it necessary to share quite vital information about her condition. So, sorry, but if anyone at all, it should be Nina who should be excoriated over her selfishness.

zalem
2009-05-26, 02:52
And so has a few other people who have gotten insanely annoying for me to watch so I won't be voting for anyone at all.


lol, to be perfectly honest there isn't a single female character in this show that I really like. I think Nina is tolerable at times, but even she drives me crazy. Hell, I wouldn't even call Layfon my favorite. He's just....there. I don't hate him, but I don't love him either.

As for Felli, it isn't just this one episode. It's all the episodes up to this point. The supposedly "cute" kicking, the punching, and just her general behavior has gotten old for me and I'm done with it. I guess I wanted more development and growth for her character. Hell, for ALL the characters.

magnuskn
2009-05-26, 05:09
lol, to be perfectly honest there isn't a single female character in this show that I really like. I think Nina is tolerable at times, but even she drives me crazy. Hell, I wouldn't even call Layfon my favorite. He's just....there. I don't hate him, but I don't love him either.

As for Felli, it isn't just this one episode. It's all the episodes up to this point. The supposedly "cute" kicking, the punching, and just her general behavior has gotten old for me and I'm done with it. I guess I wanted more development and growth for her character. Hell, for ALL the characters.

Yeah, I think we can agree on this... the characters have gotten quite a bit stale, because no significant advancement has been shown for most of them.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-26, 05:40
Could anyone explain to me how Felli being annoyed at Nina for not sharing critical information with the rest of her squad is somehow construed as Felli being selfish?

Rude, yeah, in a sense. But, hey, Nina *still* didn´t deemed it necessary to share quite vital information about her condition. So, sorry, but if anyone at all, it should be Nina who should be excoriated over her selfishness.
It's her motives behind her rant and her unwilling to show any kind of trust are deemed as selfish. So many other people in the squad and nobody else had such misgivings or vented such. Not to mention she didn't speak out the real deal, instead, used the Layfon card against others as an argument. He only spoke to Layfon in private to reduce his affection towards Nina.

Nina should have told but it cannot really be based on selfishness. Once the word gets out, nobody can guarantee that the info about Haikizoku's new host won't reach the mercenaries or other aggressors. Not to mention that it's a really scary situation itself. I doubt anyone can be blamed as being selfish for a condition that can cause veggie state, it's not like she actually caused any problem by not telling it.

I still think that she'll tell them sometime in the next two episodes as Savaris is closing in. She wouldn't be able to fight him by herself and it wouldn't make sense to have her harmed at this point. They may be setting the anime like that to provide a final battle for the audience to conclude the season.

magnuskn
2009-05-26, 06:14
It's her motives behind her rant and her unwilling to show any kind of trust are deemed as selfish. So many other people in the squad and nobody else had such misgivings or vented such. Not to mention she didn't speak out the real deal, instead, used the Layfon card against others as an argument. He only spoke to Layfon in private to reduce his affection towards Nina.

If the other people in the squad are too stupid not to question Ninas strange behaviour, that is their own problem. Especially since Nina is keeping vital information from them. I heartily applaud Felli thinking a bit ahead ( while recognizing that part of why she does it is jealousy ).

Nina should have told but it cannot really be based on selfishness. Once the word gets out, nobody can guarantee that the info about Haikizoku's new host won't reach the mercenaries or other aggressors. Not to mention that it's a really scary situation itself. I doubt anyone can be blamed as being selfish for a condition that can cause veggie state, it's not like she actually caused any problem by not telling it.

Yeah, sorry, but that is BS. They are going into a fight with that other city, her not telling at this crucial time is pure selfishness. If she gets hit with one of those "haikozoku" attacks at the wrong time, it could cause serious harm to her team, as well let Zuellni lose the inter-city match. And as far as mercenaries or aggressors going after her... those guys with the dog-head masks already know about her condition, and Haya is, honestly said, not that big of a deal... Layfon could and should defeat him handily next episode.

I still think that she'll tell them sometime in the next two episodes as Savaris is closing in. She wouldn't be able to fight him by herself and it wouldn't make sense to have her harmed at this point. They may be setting the anime like that to provide a final battle for the audience to conclude the season.

Oh, I don´t doubt that we´ll see a Layfon / Savaris confrontation coming up. I only wonder how that dude from two episodes ago and Saya will fit in with any ending. My guess is, they´ll go for a second season.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-26, 06:25
If the other people in the squad are too stupid not to question Ninas strange behaviour, that is their own problem. Especially since Nina is keeping vital information from them. I heartily applaud Felli thinking a bit ahead ( while recognizing that part of why she does it is jealousy ).
She's just looking for an excuse to settle the score and it's got nothing to do with intelligence. Others have already questioned Nina at the start of the episode and they decided to trust her.
Yeah, sorry, but that is BS. They are going into a fight with that other city, her not telling at this crucial time is pure selfishness. If she gets hit with one of those "haikozoku" attacks at the wrong time, it could cause serious harm to her team, as well let Zuellni lose the inter-city match. And as far as mercenaries or aggressors going after her... those guys with the dog-head masks already know about her condition, and Haya is, honestly said, not that big of a deal... Layfon could and should defeat him handily next episode.

The others can't do anything about it even if that happens though. She should have told but it's not THAT crucial. And all of the aggressors she can't know about, like HB users. And we know that one already arrived for that reason.
Oh, I don´t doubt that we´ll see a Layfon / Savaris confrontation coming up. I only wonder how that dude from two episodes ago and Saya will fit in with any ending. My guess is, they´ll go for a second season.
Just like I thought, would be better than stuffing them into a couple of episodes.

Eurys
2009-05-26, 06:44
She should have told but it's not THAT crucial.
Jeez, I dunno. Knowing there's a big bad organisation bent on capturing electronic fairies is a pretty important information in my opinion. Especially since Nina's priority is to protect her city and the electronic fairy Zuelni. You'd think she would relay that information to Kalian so that they could be prepared or something.
But it's not Nina only. I think most of the characters look pretty dumb not sharing informations and not seeking answers.

willyvereb
2009-05-26, 06:45
Common issue...people except from characters to have god-like knownledge(or at least knownledge about the happenings on the same level as them)
Nina's not even sure how to say it and she's uncertain about how long the Haikizokou remains in sleep. IF she told them about the Haikizokou she have to lie a bit to actually calm them down. And she knows that she can't betray their trust with something like that. She's somewhat selfish with that but oh well it's the same with everyone.
Even felli cause the reason she really was angry not that Nina hides a secret, but that Layfon trust her so much...Anime Felli is a little bit more selfish.

Ultramarinus
2009-05-26, 06:55
Jeez, I dunno. Knowing there's a big bad organisation bent on capturing electronic fairies is a pretty important information in my opinion. Especially since Nina's priority is to protect her city and the electronic fairy Zuelni. You'd think she would relay that information to Kalian so that they could be prepared or something.
But it's not Nina only. I think most of the characters look pretty dumb not sharing informations and not seeking answers.
Of course, the knowledge is crucial and I think that she should have told. (she apparently did in LN so my conscience is clear :p ) It's just that they can't do anything about it at this point even if they knew. That's why I said it's not THAT crucial, as in making a difference in how they operate. But yeah, the president should know also. I hope she'll tell them ASAP.

As for the selfish part, the risk isn't working for a living, like a certain other character is deadly scared of. It's veggie state. Heck, I guess I'd behave abnormally in such a situation, as anyone else here would.

cheshire
2009-05-26, 06:58
Jeez, I dunno. Knowing there's a big bad organisation bent on capturing electronic fairies is a pretty important information in my opinion. Especially since Nina's priority is to protect her city and the electronic fairy Zuelni. You'd think she would relay that information to Kalian so that they could be prepared or something.

She doesn't know about this big bad organization you speak of, I doubt that the rest in Zuellini know of that as well. If you're speaking of Haia's group, then come on, all the more reason for her to be wary in speaking of anything when the very first thing that comes to mind is the extraction of the spirit from Dinn, which left him in, oh I don't know, a vegetable state.

But it's not Nina only. I think most of the characters look pretty dumb not sharing informations and not seeking answers.

That's just nitpicking and setting unrealistic judgement on your part. You talk of Felli before in an earlier post as someone being human for her "human failing" and yet when it is a human failing such as fear and uncertainty which is very, very normal when put in the same position as Nina, you call it something else. Funny that.

If that's not what you meant to do, then please do elaborate.

Eurys
2009-05-26, 07:51
She doesn't know about this big bad organization you speak of, I doubt that the rest in Zuellini know of that as well.
That's just being lazy and taking things for granted. How will she know if she doesn't confide? As for the organization, she doesn't have to know who they are exactly. She knows what they're after and what they can do, warning the city leader is the least she could do. She's a military person, no? Keeping such important information about safety is uncharacteristic of her.

That's just nitpicking and setting unrealistic judgement on your part.
What you call nitpicking is a valid criticism for me. It's a flaw in the writing and the character behaviour; it annoys me and takes me out of the story. Thus I'm free to mention it. And the "it's anime" excuse is just lazy.

And wth, again with comparing Nina and Felli when I was talking in general. You people are obsessed with it.
We're not talking about the same thing anyway, Nina feeling scared and not wanting to worry people about her situation with the haikizoku is one thing I can understand. But the amount of informations about Leerin, electronic fairies, Aurora field, ignasis etc she's holding in the meantime is just mindblowing. The SAME city where all those dangerous events happened is coming for God's sake. Nina is not dumb, it makes no sense she's not at least a bit conflicted about not telling about this and the consequences it could have.

ps : *sighs* I think I'll just stop argue about this anyway, it's just pointless. Opinions are opinions.

cheshire
2009-05-26, 08:08
That's just being lazy and taking things for granted. How will she know if she doesn't confide? As for the organization, she doesn't have to know who they are exactly. She knows what they're after and what they can do, warning the city leader is the least she could do. She's a military person, no? Keeping such important information about safety is uncharacteristic of her.

Are you speaking of HB? Because she doesn't know what they're after. None of th people there know of what HB's about to do. The only one who might have an inkling would be Layfon, but that's stretching it too far cause it didn't seem like Layfon was privy much to Grendan's state secrets.

She already told them she was going to tell them eventually, it's not like she's putting hold information to tease them or anything. She admitted she was being selfish. She's a military person, yes, but you seem to be forgetting that she's human first and foremost.


And wth, again with comparing Nina and Felli when I was talking in general. You people are obsessed with it.
We're not talking about the same thing anyway, Nina feeling scared and not wanting to worry people about her situation with the haikizoku is one thing I can understand. But the amount of informations about Leerin, electronic fairies, Aurora field, ignasis etc she's holding in the meantime is just mindblowing. The SAME city where all those dangerous events happened is coming for God's sake. Nina is not dumb, it makes no sense she's not at least a bit conflicted about not telling about this and the consequences it could have.

Geez, defensive much? If you don't want people pointing out your posts, then don't bother posting.

For the bolded part, is that the core of your statement? She was very, very much conflicted. Watch the episode again. This isn't up for argument. That's why I don't see what you're ranting about, it's only been a few days since she's returned, add to that her need to let up some steam with Dinn and Felli getting kidnapped, which has obviously gotten her really worried. Knowing Nina's character, she will eventually tell the others.

willyvereb
2009-05-26, 08:15
Expecting from her to blurt out the whole truth immediately similar as expecting Layfon to tell his past to everyone as soon as he has arrived to Zuellni. As cheshire said Nina eventually tells them the truth but she's just returned to the city and she gained a headblowing amount of information and scared...let her rest a bit. That's what she needs...but perhaps the comming inter-ciity match not even allow her something like that...

TrueKnight
2009-05-26, 08:16
And when will she tell them I wonder? When the time is right? When the Haikizoku finally consume her in the middle of a match? Too many things could happen. She should've told them right from the start so that the possible danger could've been at least minimized like for example, don't let her participate?

cheshire
2009-05-26, 08:24
Which is, once again, all moot point, because no matter how soon she tells them, people will still go 'well, she should have told them earlier!', never mind that she was in no immediate danger to the people around her due to what Leerin did to her back at Myath. Besides, if it really is that crucial, I would have thought Dixerio would have warned her or something, seeing as he's basically explained most stuff to her (even if he was being annoyingly obtuse about it).

TrueKnight
2009-05-26, 08:38
Right now I can think 4 reasons why it could be considered dangerous: (i) an HB has been ordered to retrieve the Haikizoku and currently roaming around the area; (ii) herself wasn’t so sure if she could handle the Haikizoku; (iii) fairy Zuellni is with her but she alone isn’t enough to surpress it; (iv) she’s a platoon leader who supposed to be leading her squad in a battlefield whenever the situations or necessities arises; her not telling could've been vital should the goat activates in battle. At least with her telling her secret, her friends would somehow realize and knew about them before hand, so when all the problems above I’ve pointed somehow arises, so they could somehow cover for her or thinking of a way out. As for the way out well, probably send her under protection or something or let Vanze serve as a necessary replacement

Tatiana Razajev
2009-05-26, 10:24
On one hand, I do feel that Nina needs to come clean with everyone. On the other hand, I can understand why she hasn't said anything. Which is the key here. It's both possible to feel a character made a mistake and understand why that mistake was made. Still I suppose one major problem may be that Nina might be unsure as to what actions will be taken once the secret is out.

On another note, as for this occasional talk about Nina being a bad person for using borrowed power. Considering that I've liked several characters over the years that relied on borrowed power, I can't really hold it against Nina. Unless I want to have a double standard.

I mean heck there are some stories buitl around the idea of borrowed power. A normal human gains a magic staff. A masked hero seals undead and uses their powers. A pink creature swallows enemies. Mikos channel the power of gods. I think that should be enough examples to get the point across.

The key is going to be how Nina makes use of the power. Heck that's assuming she can even truly make use of it. For all we know, the power bought on by that goat may end up being effectively useless for her anyway. In the long run, the goat may end being removed making the whole point moot.

In regards to Felli, she's definitely jealous and an abuser of inanimate objects. However in the long run, she's still human. Plus her character is one of the major reasons I ended up sticking with Regios long term. I feel she's flawed, but I still like her. Maybe in part because she's flawed.

monir
2009-05-26, 10:33
Finally watched the episode. Fellis says near the end: "Komatta koto ni nari mashta." So the question that is automatically raised, (in fact, has been raised several times in the last episode discussion thread) was Felli really kidnapped? I don't think Haia is foolish enough to attempt at kidnapping of someone who just trashed a trash-can brutally. :heh:

They both desperately want Layfon's attention, so it's only natural to work together. Felli's timing couldn't be any worse, however, but unlike Mai, she isn't meek to allow other competition to run away with Layfon. Alas, Felli has no idea that a competition much more formidable than Nina has arrived in the city of Zuelleni. If I were a trash can, a lamp post, or a refrigerator, I would be furiously Morse-coding S.O.S by now. :heh:

Nina's decision to keep things to herself is very much like Nina also. She is very intelligent, but she is also clumsy. Since she has no idea how to break the news without having her team to panic and other repercussion sure to follow, I think it was the best decision to keep the news to herself. I just wish she had, at least, confided in Layfon. I think she has come to know Layfon enough to show trust in Layfon's capability to understand. While Nina has become much closer to Layfon, she has still ways to go before her fans can cheer for a probable Lafyon x Nina pairing. Layfon's approach to Nina is solid. He figures, like everyone else, that something is up. Pressing forward isn't always the best of options. Nina will come forward with her troubles when she is ready. Hopefully, no one would pay any price because of her decision. Savaris doesn't hesitate after all. :)

Layfon will need that dite Leerin is carrying, that's for sure, to rescue all these damsel with their subservient interest/problem. *waku waku* :D

willyvereb
2009-05-26, 10:39
Well...it's the same with Nina and Layfon. They aren't perfect...
Nina is a way too reckless and a bit hypocrite, meanwhile Layfon has a quite serious self-hatred and he's really needs some damn motivation and individuality. On the top of that both made bad decisions.
I like CSR maybe because it's characters...their improvement seems to be too slow sometimes, but at least not abnormally fast( about 4 months passed...some pople not even change after years).

zalem
2009-05-26, 13:40
Finally watched the episode. Fellis says near the end: "Komatta koto ni nari mashta." So the question that is automatically raised, (in fact, has been raised several times in the last episode discussion thread) was Felli really kidnapped? I don't think Haia is foolish enough to attempt at kidnapping of someone who just trashed a trash-can brutally. :heh:

They both desperately want Layfon's attention, so it's only natural to work together. Felli's timing couldn't be any worse, however, but unlike Mai, she isn't meek to allow other competition to run away with Layfon. Alas, Felli has no idea that a competition much more formidable than Nina has arrived in the city of Zuelleni.

I hope that's not the case as it would lower my opinion of her even more. I mean teaming together with Haia to make up a fake kidnapping just to get Layfon's attention because she is jealous of Nina? That's kind of lame and pathetic. For her sake I hope they simply overpowered her.

giorno
2009-05-26, 14:42
uh, does it matter? i mean, it's pretty obvious that felli didn't plan to be kidnapped so, "teaming up" with haia or not, it's not like she could've done anything...

willyvereb
2009-05-26, 14:49
It matters because that means Felli's extremkely obessed with Layfon and overly selfish an possessive regarding him.
Perhaps i highly doubt that Felli "teamed up" with haia...but it's understandable if she didn't put up any resistance(she has no choice to win against him)

Manji Midou
2009-05-26, 16:46
Could anyone explain to me how Felli being annoyed at Nina for not sharing critical information with the rest of her squad is somehow construed as Felli being selfish?


Fellis really couldn't give a damn about what nina was hiding from the team. lt's made very clear to the viewers what led to her little outburst....

*Before the outburst, she observes how layfon and nina meet eye to eye when she steps out of the infirmary and have a "l understand if you don't want to go into more detail moment*

* She sees layfon blimming with joy as he trains with Nina one on one.

* Gets pissed off that layfon believes in nina and doesn't resent her for keeping things fom them

* After the outburst and her refusal to apologize to the squad after layfon asked her to....whats on her mind? ls she wondering what nina is holding from them? didn't think so.... her exact words are

"She returns and he is so happy. What's with him?
^
That right there speaks volumes...that she is acting as a spoiled jealous brat who has just come to realise that her toy fancies another girl more then her.

Deathkillz
2009-05-26, 18:25
"She returns and he is so happy. What's with him?
^
That right there speaks volumes...that she is acting as a spoiled jealous brat who has just come to realise that her toy fancies another girl more then her.
Harsh, but I will have to agree this time round.

But Layfon himself is also a little prat going "Taichou, Taichou TAICHOU!" all the time. Either STFU or ask her out, choose!

Nina isn't a dime herself with all her secrets...

Basically the entire main cast has got problems.

Johnny
2009-05-26, 20:14
Basically the entire main cast has got problems.
And that's why we love the show...:heh: Well maybe Harley is only one without those type of problems, except it seems to me he's got a thing for Nina. Guess that could count for a problem...:D

Mei19
2009-05-27, 03:19
But Layfon himself is also a little prat going "Taichou, Taichou TAICHOU!" all the time. Either STFU or ask her out, choose!


Hey! You leave Taichou's little puppy alone.

*ahem* Who cares if Felli got kidnapped on her own accord or not? Nothing will change no matter how much you pour your blood and sweat arguing about it. Who cares about what we think? It's all opinion anyway hahah I'm just enjoying waiting for Dixerio and Savaris to chase Nina the show as it is with popcorn and starbucks strawberries n' cream during Saturdays.:cool:

Next time, Leerin's gonna be slapping some taichou's puppy.:eyespin: Can't wait.

panpo98
2009-05-27, 06:33
And that's why we love the show...:heh: Well maybe Harley is only one without those type of problems, except it seems to me he's got a thing for Nina. Guess that could count for a problem...:D
I think Harley would insist that girl trouble counts if you remember the pool episode.

Sinestra
2009-05-27, 11:17
Fellis really couldn't give a damn about what nina was hiding from the team. lt's made very clear to the viewers what led to her little outburst....

*Before the outburst, she observes how layfon and nina meet eye to eye when she steps out of the infirmary and have a "l understand if you don't want to go into more detail moment*

* She sees layfon blimming with joy as he trains with Nina one on one.

* Gets pissed off that layfon believes in nina and doesn't resent her for keeping things fom them

* After the outburst and her refusal to apologize to the squad after layfon asked her to....whats on her mind? ls she wondering what nina is holding from them? didn't think so.... her exact words are

"She returns and he is so happy. What's with him?
^
That right there speaks volumes...that she is acting as a spoiled jealous brat who has just come to realise that her toy fancies another girl more then her.

I agree Felli is not as complex as some people make her out to be. What she feeling and thinking was so transparent it felt i was there watching the whole thing. Everyone in the squad has some type of weird emotional mental hangup but that is what makes them human. Things could not have come at a worse time though with the competition imminent. Was Felli really kidnapped i dunno but it works for the confrontation we are about to see. I still dont know if Layfon actually has feelings for Nina or if was just happy she was alive, or if his heart lies with Leerin which i hope it does.

Not to mention things will once again become more complicated once Lyfon finds out Leerin is in the city. Not only will Nina be like WTF but Felli will see a new rival and probably through another tantrum all the while Leerin will hanging on Layfon like glue.

I dont think we are going to have a romantic resolution by the end of the series anyway.

SwiftStrike
2009-05-27, 17:23
always knew they would meet again...i guess intercity or tourbuses

panpo98
2009-05-28, 00:36
Felli's opinion of the kidnapping doesn't mater.

We know Haia want to Layfon to fight him to decide who is the best. Haia was determined and ready to do something and he wasn't following Felli just for fun. No one here have any doubt that Haia can defeat Felli fast and easy before Felli could react or say anything even if she weren't distracted.

So, Felli's cooperation isn't needed.
and it would be pointless afterwards.

Not to mention things will once again become more complicated once Lyfon finds out Leerin is in the city. Not only will Nina be like WTF but Felli will see a new rival and probably through another tantrum all the while Leerin will hanging on Layfon like glue..
I think Lerrin would rather punish Nina with more breast grabbing rather than guarding Layfon. I also doubt Felli would trow a trantrum. Feli will more likely spy on Lerrin like Felli and Nina did together then Maychi and Layfon was pealing potatoes together.

monir
2009-05-28, 16:02
I hope that's not the case as it would lower my opinion of her even more. I mean teaming together with Haia to make up a fake kidnapping just to get Layfon's attention because she is jealous of Nina? That's kind of lame and pathetic. For her sake I hope they simply overpowered her.
I also hope not. The reason I brought it up was because the sentence can be translated couple of ways: a) she is saying that she has done something troublesome. b) she is observing the fact that she has gotten into something troublesome.

The upcoming episodes should clear it up what Felli meant with those words. Logically, I go with the explanation most fans here already gave. Haia is pretty strong and Felli can't match him in power to do otherwise. The question is, did she at least try to kick him in the shin? As her avid fan, that question is very important to me. :heh::D Not that an unfavorable answer would matter to me anyway. Anyone who is willing to come out of the self-created shroud of self-isolation because of love is nothing but "good" in my book.

I find her character appealing and extremely cute because of her selfishness, her stubbornness, and her unwillingness to come into term with herself that she really does like Layfon even thought it is causing her to behave irrationally. She will apologize to Sharnid only because Layfon asked her to. I'm sure such thought would't have crossed her mind otherwise. :heh:

Did anyone notice how Layfon is calling after her repeatedly as "senpai" and Felli keeps walking away. As soon as Layfon calls her "Felli" she applies the hard brake immediately. Yeap, she wants be in name-basis, preferably in first-name basis, with Layfon. Anything that gets in the way, will be dealt with.

Those sort of things will not go unnoticed by any Felli-fans. Let's hear it for Felli. Manji Midou is excused from this exercise. :D

magnuskn
2009-05-29, 02:45
Those sort of things will not go unnoticed by any Felli-fans. Let's hear it for Felli. Manji Midou is excused from this exercise. :D

Hear, hear!

zibi88
2009-05-29, 13:16
hehe not even the ep21 was aired and there are spoiler pictures of ep22

EXTREME SPOILER !!!

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8584/zzzz.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zzzz.jpg)

Well japanese text kinda says that: besides Mayath cit, Grendan appears at horizont [karian is worried over that fact since they dont have a chance of winning], Leerin is sitting next to hurt Layfon... the same Leerin meets again with Nina...., Savaris tells Gorneo about the matter that he killed Gahard and Gorneo falls in tears, squad17 is beign called out but Leerin trys to stop Layfon who is hurt [becouse he might not come back] we see that in the middle picture.... Leerin still couldnt pass to Layfon that golden dite her father gived her...... Layfon learns that Nina met Leerin at Mayath city..... Nina again disappers mostly into that aurora field.... last sentences say something about Queen and Saya that is in leerins right eye.......rest is dont miss it ! >__<

Damn Leerin still couldnt give that dite to Layfon >__< mostly becouse she doesnt want him to fight and get hurt [dot understand her]

Ultramarinus
2009-05-29, 14:08
Omoshiroi.. :twitch: Now, any LN readers to confirm how much this is diverted from the original story? It feels somewhat different from what I had read, even if not that much.

Von Himmel
2009-05-29, 17:54
Could they be really using that cannon for attacking the city, based on the spoiler image of ep 22 ? o.o;;

justinstrife
2009-05-29, 21:42
And that's why we love the show...:heh: Well maybe Harley is only one without those type of problems, except it seems to me he's got a thing for Nina. Guess that could count for a problem...:D

It's why you like the show. It's why I've lost interest in the show.

Johnny
2009-05-29, 22:05
It's why you like the show. It's why I've lost interest in the show.

Not in particular why I like the show, but it sure beats watching a show with everyone straight-laced and normal...

satomianzaki
2009-05-30, 02:26
is it right for me to say that when manji midou likes felli so much, justinstrife, on the other hand adores nina as much? lol, just kidding... :D

now can't really wait how they will conclude anime csr (first season?)...
just kinda sad that the end is almost near...hope there really is a second season...and hope that there will be more animes thats as interesting as csr...

justinstrife
2009-05-30, 11:26
is it right for me to say that when manji midou likes felli so much, justinstrife, on the other hand adores nina as much? lol, just kidding... :D

now can't really wait how they will conclude anime csr (first season?)...
just kinda sad that the end is almost near...hope there really is a second season...and hope that there will be more animes thats as interesting as csr...

-cokespews- Thanks for the laughs. Cookies for you. :heh: