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monir
2009-06-05, 23:46
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justinstrife
2009-06-06, 00:53
Leerin and Fon Fon have much to talk about. And more. ^__^

ipernorris
2009-06-06, 01:19
The preview pics of True Knight of Regios ( :p )
Heave ho for ep 22 preview galore!



First of all,

http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9289.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9290.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9291.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9292.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9293.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9294.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9295.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9296.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9297.jpg
http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9298.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9299.jpg http://www.presepe.jp/uploads/ext/9300.jpg

And then,

http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0531_regios01.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0531_regios02.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0531_regios03.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0531_regios04.jpg
http://img.surpara.com/news/0905/0531_regios05.jpg


……

http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_01.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_08.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_09.jpg
http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_02.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_03.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_04.jpg
http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_05.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_06.jpgp http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_07.jpg
http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_10.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_11.jpg http://www.animecenter.jp/jp/200905/090531_reg22_12.jpg



Finally,

http://anime.webnt.jp/regios/%E7%AC%AC2200031146.jpg

I hope we get a dense and clueless Fon-fon on this one…… >_>;

*dodges bricks from Leerin fans*

Manji Midou
2009-06-06, 01:34
so from here on out the two main girls for layfon will be nina and leerin l presume?
it's about time that diluted, useless, selfish, brat of a loli to exit the stage.

holyalexander
2009-06-06, 01:47
^ +1 i agree... :D

ipernorris
2009-06-06, 05:52
Nina: Will you lend me some of your power?
Goat-chan: Yeah I will become your blade!
Nina: But I'll be the one in control...
Goat-chan: No! You won't be able to steal Layfon's heart! I'm the only one capable of doing this!
Nina: Layfon? I was talking about fighting Filty Monsters!
Goat-chan: I don't care about that. I only want Layfon's heart!

:heh:

SageGaiGar
2009-06-06, 09:39
Lol Haters. XD

Yeah, why would he not be clueless and dense fonfon.

zibi88
2009-06-06, 11:30
buahahahaha

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7998/61206206.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=61206206.jpg)


This is Nina... mostly the Goat-chan took over XD

and this scene is the best from whole episode !

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4299/31364965.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=31364965.jpg)


HUGE LEERIN FLAG !! FINALLY !! (anyway if I had to choice between Nina and Leerin now I would definitly choice Leerin xD)


Nina looks like combination of Frog+goat XD

ipernorris
2009-06-06, 11:37
Nina X Goat-chan
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5669/1244305632605.jpg


@zibi88
Delete those links, after a while they're changed to porn ones... :heh:
What I wrote in the joke dialogue happened for real!!! :D

ipernorris
2009-06-06, 11:46
Anyway it will be interesting watching what happens in the coming episodes... I mean Layfon will have to deal with Savaris, the Super Filth Monster, Goat-chan and the HB.
Why is the dude always so busy? :heh:

Tyrone Biggums
2009-06-06, 12:19
So is Nina bad then? or just trippin on goat juice.

zibi88
2009-06-06, 12:28
from the preview image it seems that Nina in this not-human form killed that monster that comed from aurora field... (anyway it seems that in this episode after little talk with leerin nina starts to feel pain from the goat and slowly the mask is appearing on her >__<

but hmm its kinda sad that Nina only can defeat something while useing others power (this time it came from the haikizoku >_<) and not her own

Anyway Leerin in this episode had lots of screen time... yelling at Layfon and than tryong to stop him when he was summoned by the CEO (here the kiss scene appears).....before the monster come from aurora field leerin felt saya in her eye like we know from spoiler pictures...

Layfon doesnt do here anything besides talking..... but well 2ep left leerin didnt gaved Layfon that sword from her father so I assume she will do it in next ep... like Layfons weapon will break durring battle and here Leerin will appear with new sword (at least to self-protection.... since she loves him and she doesnt want him to die...) time will show

I hope that spoiler pictures for next ep will appear soon ^^

ipernorris
2009-06-06, 12:44
Uhm Savaris said that haikizoku's powers is on par with the queen's ones... is Nina as powerful as the queen now?!? :twitch:

panpo98
2009-06-06, 13:05
I thought he meant if he (Savaris a HB) was possessed than he would be as powerful as the queen. That was my take a few episodes back then Savaris talked to the queen. The power of a HB + haikizoku's = The Queens level. Nina's power is probably to small to make much of a difference compared with HB power added to haikizoku's powers.


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ipernorris
2009-06-06, 13:08
I thought he meant if he (Savaris a HB) was possessed than he would be as powerful as the queen. That was my take a few episodes pack then Savaris talked to the queen. The power of a HB + haikizoku's = The Queens level. Nina's power is probably to small to make much of a difference compared with HB power added to haikizoku's powers.
yeah you're probably right... goat-chan would be ideal within Layfon imho.

Von Himmel
2009-06-06, 13:09
Wow, this thread looks so quiet, unlike the previous episode :(
Where are the people ?

and, oh shi-! what's with the preview pics ?`

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2009-06-06, 13:35
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justinstrife
2009-06-06, 14:53
buahahahaha



and this scene is the best from whole episode !

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4299/31364965.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=31364965.jpg)


HUGE LEERIN FLAG !! FINALLY !! (anyway if I had to choice between Nina and Leerin now I would definitly choice Leerin xD)



FTMFW! :love:

Manji Midou
2009-06-06, 16:07
heh, leerin sure isn't bashful when it comes to kissing the one she likes,..
more leerin screen time + less loli screen time = EPIC episode
:)

zibi88
2009-06-06, 16:09
I wonder what Savaris is talking about..... im too tired to understand it XD but he has a layfon obsession or something... since he talks only about him XD

Enternal
2009-06-06, 16:09
FTMFW! :love:

What does FTMFW! means anyway? Sorry if I'm not caught up with abbreviations.



http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4299/31364965.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=31364965.jpg)
HUGE LEERIN FLAG !! FINALLY !! (anyway if I had to choice between Nina and Leerin now I would definitly choice Leerin xD)



Anyway, woohoOO!!!! Now that's awesome! :D WEEEE!!!!!

Lunarwitch
2009-06-06, 16:18
heh, leerin sure isn't bashful when it comes to kissing the one she likes,..
more leerin screen time + less loli screen time = EPIC episode
:)

at least Felli looks intelligent, not like Leerin who's eyes looks dopey, like she just come from a remedial class for learning difficulties and less intelligent people

zibi88
2009-06-06, 16:29
at least Felli looks intelligent, not like Leerin who's eyes looks dopey, like she just come from a remedial class for learning difficulties and less intelligent people

yeah right dont say your own throughts as confirmed proof..... yeah Felli showed "this inteligence" in last episode...... she didnt felt the atmosphere... went out of the bus and made Layfon got almost killed by Haia's cut becouse she disturbed his concentration..... later she was "damn supprised" after noticeing blood on layfon (did she throught that it was ketchup or something)....... so yeah she was sooo inteligent there... all she does i simply going around in jelous manner (and most of the time kick Layfon becouse of that jelousy)... and Fellis eyes look more gloomy whan Leerins....

Leerin is inteligent and werry worried over layfon.... she at least understands what he feels and knows the atmoshpere (and she was the one that was teaching layfon so he could pass the exams ^^ )

becouse Leerin was the one that got Layfon kiss doesnt mean that we can throw trash on her becouse Felli or Nina never done that with him :P

justinstrife
2009-06-06, 16:35
What does FTMFW! means anyway? Sorry if I'm not caught up with abbreviations.




Anyway, woohoOO!!!! Now that's awesome! :D WEEEE!!!!!

For the mother f'ing win. :heh:

zibi: For many people, how someone looks is more important than how they act. If someone looks the part, then it doesn't matter about their actions...

Dominic Night
2009-06-06, 16:38
Just watched the Eps.



>Before the opening, people are talking about ?Grenden?
>President said something about using Layfon again (Don't know that much Japan) He might said something about the field for the reason Grenden being there.
>Nina is feeling the affects of having the Goat inside her, I think after talking with Leerin.
>Saveris probably revealed that the apprentance of Goro had turned into a filth thing and killed him. Then goes on saying Layfon over and over again. Goro cries with Shante? conforting him abit.
>Leerin tries to stop Layfon from leaving the Hospital (she doesn't want him to fight I believe) Layfon gives a small kiss on the cheek. (Not really a Leerin fan.)
>In the meeting Layfon reveal's that Nina has the Goat inside her. (That's what it seems). Maybe President wants to capture Nina and give her over or something.
>The Auroa Field rips open and a FM comes out, Saya inside Leerin say's something, Zeullni fires its cannon at it.
>It left off with a cliff hanger. The FM rips in half after taking the cannon shot and the Goat takes over Nina.
It appears that it might be Layfon vs Nina/Goat. I don't mind if she bites the dust. :hides from the Nina fans" :P

Lunarwitch
2009-06-06, 16:51
yeah right dont say your own throughts as confirmed proof..... yeah Felli showed "this inteligence" in last episode...... she didnt felt the atmosphere... went out of the bus and made Layfon got almost killed by Haia's cut becouse she disturbed his concentration..... later she was "damn supprised" after noticeing blood on layfon (did she throught that it was ketchup or something)....... so yeah she was sooo inteligent there... all she does i simply going around in jelous manner (and most of the time kick Layfon becouse of that jelousy)... and Fellis eyes look more gloomy whan Leerins....

Leerin is inteligent and werry worried over layfon.... she at least understands what he feels and knows the atmoshpere (and she was the one that was teaching layfon so he could pass the exams ^^ )

becouse Leerin was the one that got Layfon kiss doesnt mean that we can throw trash on her becouse Felli or Nina never done that with him :P

i still think Leerin a ugly cow, far better suited for the queen to touch up her boobs a bit more, also it's seems it alright to bash Felli and Nina down to the ground but not dopey Leerin.

babydemongirl
2009-06-06, 17:09
i dont know why some people dont like leerin but on my part i do like her. i think she is an interesting character. she did receive a kiss from layfon but that doesnt mean that leerin is layfon's girlfriend (im just waiting for layfon to say it himself). as usualy, layfon knows how to handle girls lol :P

Ichiban Hayai
2009-06-06, 17:21
I don't think Leerins' looks indicate lack of intelligence.

It's just that she , along with Mei, is drawn like she is always sleep deprived.
Which I think is a bit unfair for both of them.

Anyway it was a good episode. I really can't guess where the story goes in these last eps.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-06, 17:28
Oh jeez, looks like they're going for a major plot change at the last moment. It feels like they'll totally mess it up, I really hope that they won't make Nina the 'scapegoat' at the conclusion. :mad: Pun intended. :p

Really, that morphed Nina looks something like from Princess Mononoke. They better not make me angry! They wouldn't want to make me angry, feeling so destructive after just watching Terminator Salvation! :eyebrow:

babydemongirl
2009-06-06, 17:44
im just hoping that, if they do seperate the spirit goat from nina, she won't turn like diin.

Manji Midou
2009-06-06, 17:57
at least Felli looks intelligent, not like Leerin who's eyes looks dopey, like she just come from a remedial class for learning difficulties and less intelligent people

looks aren't everything, lulz...
fellis might look intelligent but that doesn't take away that she is the dumbest fook of the show.

Lunarwitch
2009-06-06, 18:23
looks aren't everything, lulz...
fellis might look intelligent but that doesn't take away that she is the dumbest fook of the show.

Every time i look at Leerin, she looks like she's had a big fat reefer joint this is what she should be singing

I was going to make love to you, but then i got high,
My eyes got dopey too, because i was high,
Now I'm sleeping no the sidewalk, and i know why
Cause i got high
Cause i got high
Cause i got high
La Da Da Da
La Da Da Da :eyespin:

Ultramarinus
2009-06-06, 18:26
zibi: For many people, how someone looks is more important than how they act. If someone looks the part, then it doesn't matter about their actions...
Not that I didn't know that already but feels assuring to see another confirmation. :heh:

cheesie
2009-06-06, 18:36
Oh jeez, looks like they're going for a major plot change at the last moment. It feels like they'll totally mess it up, I really hope that they won't make Nina the 'scapegoat' at the conclusion. :mad: Pun intended. :p

It doesn't seem that way to me, Ultramarinus. :p It looks like Nina may fill in the role of the final antagonist in the end, and at the same time, she's just as much of a victim in these circumstances. I don't personally mind that the anime has decided to steer away from the novels given the number of episodes left - what's important here is whether the original ending could wrap everything up as neatly as they could.

The setup seems to nod towards Layfon and Nina in the final showdown, but I could see him pouring all his efforts to get her true self back as well. If that's the case, then I suggest we ready ourselves for another Disney Fairytale scene v2.0 - the chances of that happening are rather high if they were to make it to the finale, as nothing says a Regios anime finale than Layfon unleashing "TAICHOU!!!" at full throttle. :heh:

Ultramarinus
2009-06-06, 18:56
Well, the antagonist role would still draw lightnings to her at full force, considering the badmouthing she gets even after trying to do everything in righteous causes.

In any case, I guess we'll still need to see ep 23 to find out how they'll make her. But I'm really afraid that her character may be totally ruined in the process, if they make her something like Spider-Man 3 Venom, taken over by the symbiotic alien at the last moment to entertain the masses as a boss fight. Worse even if they blame it over her sub-conscious feelings or something like that. :uhoh:

Lolipopo
2009-06-06, 19:10
Well, the antagonist role would still draw lightnings to her at full force, considering the badmouthing she gets even after trying to do everything in righteous causes.

In any case, I guess we'll still need to see ep 23 to find out how they'll make her. But I'm really afraid that her character may be totally ruined in the process, if they make her something like Spider-Man 3 Venom, taken over by the symbiotic alien at the last moment to entertain the masses as a boss fight. Worse even if they blame it over her sub-conscious feelings or something like that. :uhoh:

Baaah, she'll be woke up by her prince charming anyway so well.

And lol at the girls bashing in regios :heh: There is...a lot.

I have to admit that If I had to picture laura Ingalls in an anime style, she'll be just like Leerin, but Leerin is still really interesting/ touching/Fun.
And come on, Felli is a spoiled brat, but she is made of fun. (Though her fans don't help her cause, some comments are just, meh. )

But Nina for the win anyway, heh.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-06, 19:50
I really do hope that you two will prove me wrong! ;)

And maybe in ep 24, Ryuk will come claim Felli. Would be 'just according to keikaku'! :heh:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2792/keikakudori.jpg

justinstrife
2009-06-06, 21:08
Baaah, she'll be woke up by her prince charming anyway so well.

And lol at the girls bashing in regios :heh: There is...a lot.

I have to admit that If I had to picture laura Ingalls in an anime style, she'll be just like Leerin, but Leerin is still really interesting/ touching/Fun.
And come on, Felli is a spoiled brat, but she is made of fun. (Though her fans don't help her cause, some comments are just, meh. )

But Nina for the win anyway, heh.

Goat-chan?

black_cat1
2009-06-06, 22:06
Savaris fall for Fon Fon, scary orz.

Grendan has FM? I think they are FM hunters? And Nina with a weird mask look like Indian.

OTL

TrueKnight
2009-06-06, 23:00
So Felli requested Kallian not to make Layfon participate the military operation against Grendan just yet, in exchange she’s willing to follow and abide to her brother’s will for a while. Kinda cute.

Seriously the kiss in the cheek Layfon gave to Leerin was more like sibling stuffs, not to mention Leerin kinda force Layfon to stop doing military arts blablabla, which of course the dude manage to persuade her swiftly. But damn she didn’t even deliver the epic katana to him. Anyway welcome to the Layfon fanclub Leerin.

Poor Gorneo got bitchslapped mentally when his bro Savaris told him that he killed his mentor the infected Gahard. Man Savaris’ got issues and what’s worse he seems all gay on Layfon’s combat prowess, kinda like Graham x Setsuna Gundam ordeal. I hope Layfon pwns him hard.

Ep 23 preview made me lol’d hard. Nina possessed by Goat-chan. But to be honest it’s perfectly understandable. The goal of Goat-chan is to take revenge on the FM by becoming a blade for its master in order to slay Ignasis. From what we’ve gathered so far, Ignasis’ power and the FM’s came from the Aurora Field. Now the Aurora Field is spamming FM’s and Goat-chan basically got what he wanted from the start. We see Goat-chan (with Nina as host) slaying the FM’s in the preview. Poor girl’s gonna end up like Dinn if not taken care soon.

But we all know that Layfon is so strong and awesome he’ll manage to subdue the goat and make Nina come to her senses next ep with his pathetic unconscious love speech ‘I’m here for you’ that’ll somehow make her heart melt blablablabla, that or Savaris will appear and took the Goat out from her. Finally, In ep 24 we’ll finally be having an epic Layfon vs Savaris showdown.

Bonta Kun
2009-06-06, 23:48
I'm thinking Savaris is gay for Fonfon and will try to kill him infront of the Queen, that whole "I can't have him no one can!" thing. There will be the whole slowly dying in her arms then the big "NOOOOOOOOOOoooooeeesssss!!!" scene(hopefully with added rain for extra tension and drama), then after The Queen will go into a frenzy and proceed to lay waste to all!!!

you may guess I'm still stuck on the whole QueenXFonfon thing, can't help it, I just find it very cute(?) for some odd reason:D

well ep is interesting enough, some very nice LeerinXFonfon development. Some emoness from Gor and some weirdness from Nina...that probably applies more to next ep>_<

bring on the epic battle!

Eurys
2009-06-07, 00:48
not like Leerin who's eyes looks dopey, like she just come from a remedial class for learning difficulties and less intelligent people
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6644/layfug.th.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/my.php?image=layfug.jpg)
She's truly perfect for Layfon then :p
But no wonder some 2chan posters were wondering if the animation team dislikes the "legal wife" :heh: And Layfon's a master at evasive maneuvering.

But we all know that Layfon is so strong and awesome he’ll manage to subdue the goat and make Nina come to her senses next ep with his pathetic unconscious love speech ‘I’m here for you’ that’ll somehow make her heart melt blablablabla
Yeah, I can see this coming from miles away...
Weird changes from the novels. Not sure the dite issue will be as emotional. Nina's tribal mask looks cool but I wonder if they explain why Leerin/saya's influence doesn't work anymore. I guess Goat-chan's anger is that strong.

danin8r44
2009-06-07, 01:17
It depends on if they are considering a second season. If they aren't Layfon will go the Nina route while or directly after Nina is possessed by the goat. If they are considering a second season, it will end with Layfon defeating the goat in a bad ass manner and the relationship between him and Nina will end platonic.

I am hoping they are considering a second season not only because it would be nice to see more of the show, but also because Nina is one of the few characters whom I truly can't stand.

zibi88
2009-06-07, 01:35
Damn from whole episode I cant kinda get it what Savaris is saying (not everything) >__<

I was wondering if he was saying something that Haikizoku followed Layfon someone with strong powers or something like that (or that his powers were too strong for the goat to posses him) seriously hard to say.... need to wait for subs

But man Savaris really likes Layfon and mostly he wants to spare with him who is stronger (since mostly he was jelous of layfon that he got HB as little kid.... that's why he is remembering that scene of ep1 and saying how fun it was at that time)

heh I udnerstand rest most of the episode but only savaris scene is kinda hard to understand for me >__<

Other question is what Saya is up too (accorgind to queens wondering...) maybe she felt that Goat-chan is going out of control so she decided to stay in zerenii for a while and now she is wakeing up becouse nina reached her limit and goat is takeing control while beign pissed........ mostly saya wants to see if Layfon will be able to stop that haikizoku...... (since why does she awaken in zerenii and notafter returning to grendan.....)

Anyway what I see is that Layfon will get hurt or he will break his weapon durring a fight and so Leerin will run to him and give him this sword so he could use full power without worrying that the weapon wont hold his kei levels (sinec when he uses that yellow kei his weapons are almost melting XD)

It would be nice if both Leerin and Saya demanded Layfon to go back to Grendan :P..... heh maybe durring the fight Layfon in order to save nina from what happened to Din he will agree to let the goat-chan enter his own body while makeing sure nina wont be hurt in the proces (since layfaon was the one that goat chan wanted to posses at the verry beggining and later he followed him :P)

So after this both Leerin and Layfon will return to Grendan.... since Layfon has a haikizoku inside him.... and Leerin with sayas help will be able to help Layfon to calm down the goat when needed XD (and since she loves Layfon she would be close to Layfon all the time)

panpo98
2009-06-07, 01:45
im just hoping that, if they do seperate the spirit goat from nina, she won't turn like diin.
I thought it was the drugs that made Diin like that. Not the goat spirit. You remember that there were some serious side effects to the drug but they never said what it was.

Some people probably thinks Leerin and Mei are weaker then the others and insult there appearance instead of saying it clearly. Nina's selfish way of pursuing her righteous causes and not thinking who gets hurt is making her a bigger spoiled princess then Felli by the way. Many villains have righteous causes as well but they are still villains for other reasons.

The series will probably end with Nina going back to normal after a flashy battle and a group picture of everyone hanging out, being friends. With a big "come back for an another episode" that will never come.


I wonder if Savaris was rubbing it in that his brother's mentor only talked cared about Layfon and didn't even remembered.

satomianzaki
2009-06-07, 02:12
I am hoping they are considering a second season not only because it would be nice to see more of the show, but also because Nina is one of the few characters whom I truly can't stand.

kinda contradicting...if there will be more episodes, you will see more of nina (since she's one of the female leads)...but i do hope there will be more seasons of csr since its really a good anime...



So after this both Leerin and Layfon will return to Grendan.... since Layfon has a haikizoku inside him.... and Leerin with sayas help will be able to help Layfon to calm down the goat when needed XD (and since she loves Layfon she would be close to Layfon all the time)

that's really sweet zibi... :heh:
but we're not sure yet what Layfon's real feelings are...Leerin's feelings could be one-sided, 'cause if i were to interpret the kiss on this epi, its more like a sibling/friendly kiss...to calm down Leerin of course...



Some people probably thinks Leerin and Mei are weaker then the others and insult there appearance instead of saying it clearly. Nina's selfish way of pursuing her righteous causes and not thinking who gets hurt is making her a bigger spoiled princess then Felli by the way. Many villains have righteous causes as well but they are still villains for other reasons.


nandato???!!! Please do remember that as a military artist, Nina is just doing all her best to protect Zuellini...she has a very solid objective and goal...so how did that make her selfsh? oh well, its like Nina's supporters are in again for the resurrection of Nina's haters...(and i thought the hate will be diverted to other girls in the anime...but i guess its just circulating and being shared by all them)...lol...peace... :D

zibi88
2009-06-07, 02:24
that's really sweet zibi... :heh:
but we're not sure yet what Layfon's real feelings are...Leerin's feelings could be one-sided, 'cause if i were to interpret the kiss on this epi, its more like a sibling/friendly kiss...to calm down Leerin of course...


That's not it...... I mean if Layfon becomed a host to goat-chan than Queen would forcefully ordered him to return to Grendan (and take the haikizoku into grendan... since that was orginal plan too)

Anyway few ep ago Queen was thinking if she done the right thing to expell Layfon... later that she keeps the 12th HB still open (maybe waiting for layfon to return)...... in talk with leerin she told that Layfon can come home if he wants that is.......

but later Canalice said to the queen that if they dont have 12th hb than they should hold to everything like haikizoku..... so if Layfon would become new host (first that wanted goat-chan XD).... he would have to return becouse of that goat and the same queen could give layfon again his 12th hb seat

Maybe Layfon loves Leerin as a simbling but that is not for sure ^^ (he is dull regarding his feelings expresion) since he kissed only her and onlyto her he talked so openly....... I wonder what Sayas objective is like queen said.... is it the haikizoku or she wants Layfon to go back to grendan too along with Leerin (I mean Leerin loves layfon and saya knows about it...... maybe she wants to make Leerin happy :P) guess time will show

but next ep name is "Ignasis fragment" so I wonder is it about the monsters that come out from aurora fields....... or its about Nina in that frog-goat mask XD

satomianzaki
2009-06-07, 02:47
Maybe Layfon loves Leerin as a simbling but that is not for sure ^^ (he is dull regarding his feelings expresion) since he kissed only her and onlyto her he talked so openly....... I wonder what Sayas objective is like queen said.... is it the haikizoku or she wants Layfon to go back to grendan too along with Leerin (I mean Leerin loves layfon and saya knows about it...... maybe she wants to make Leerin happy :P) guess time will show

but next ep name is "Ignasis fragment" so I wonder is it about the monsters that come out from aurora fields....... or its about Nina in that frog-goat mask XD


yeah...its what i'm referring to as very sweet...layfon to go back to grendan as the new host of haikizoku....with leerin of course to be there to calm him down if ever he cannot contain it...its for sure that leerin loves him...as for layfon? who knows?

but since few epis are left, we just have to sit back and watch how they will resolve the whole haikizoku issue...i just hope they will not mess up the ending...

as for nina, am kinda shocked at first to see her with that mask, but hey, i'm more interested on her newly aquired power...so bring on the FMs and let her destroy them to pieces...hehe... :)

Manji Midou
2009-06-07, 03:07
spin, spin that wheel fellis fans.... sibling kiss huh?
lulz

spin,spin, lalala, spin,spin

danin8r44
2009-06-07, 03:22
kinda contradicting...if there will be more episodes, you will see more of nina (since she's one of the female leads)...but i do hope there will be more seasons of csr since its really a good anime...


This is not contradictory, "the whole is more than the sum of its parts." I just hate a part.

My Nina hate hasn't increased this episode anyway, just remained at an extraordinarily high level. Who made me mad this episode was Leerin and Layfon. Leerin obviously thought the situation was dangerous but didn't give Layfon his new weapon? Layfon made me mad because he has shown increasing signs of caring for Nina even in the presence of Leerin.:frustrated:

The awesomest part? That was the foreshadowing of Layfon beating up goat Nina and Savaris. Also, Savaris making Gorneo cry because we now know that Savaris even kicks emotional ass.

daimonth
2009-06-07, 03:29
Very unhappy with this episode... anime is doing a good job of butchering characters.

black_cat1
2009-06-07, 04:11
I really want to know what Savaris says with Gorneo. The scene when Gorneo cry like a kid who lost his sweet is disappointing

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-06-07, 04:20
... Oh dear, oh dear. I think I really need to not think about the novel on recent episodes lest I will be disappointed with Regios fast :/

Onto the episode itself: Savaris' is really a b@stard in a term D: And the ho yay obsession he got on Layfon is making me go :heh: for some reason :heh: I was just a bit of kidding on "homicidal" part before and they... Make him that obsessed with Layfon's power :heh:

I'll just avoid commenting on Leerin's scene for reasons D:

ipernorris
2009-06-07, 05:39
Savaris is jealus of Layfon, that's very clear: in a very similiar manner Haia was. Layfon became a HB receiver when he was ten years old, accomplishing a result Savaris (and the other HB receivers most likely) reached much later in their life.
This translates in the fact Layfon has much more potential than other HB receivers and he's already on par with them in terms of power and skill.
The only serious problem for Layfon is the lack of a decent weapon which is suitable for his monstruous kei. I don't know if the psyharden katana will be enough in the future: in the anime it will be for sure, if they don't plan a second season, but in novels? Is the psyharden katana on the same level with the heaven blade? Or is it stronger? Or weaker? :heh:
Not to mention the whole Haikizoku issue: from how Goat-chan spoke in the anime it seems he could become a dite as well! :heh:
One thing is sure: next episode, or the last one at most, there will be a death match between Layfon and Savaris and Layfon will get owned in the first round because of he doesn't have a proper weapon.

TrueKnight
2009-06-07, 05:49
Savaris is currently 26-27 of age. And if I'm not mistaken from the novel, Savaris got his HB when he's only 13, while Layfon at 10. Layfon is a natural genius without doubt but Savaris' feat isn't also to be taken lightly either where he inherited the HB at such young age. Both Layfon and Savaris imo have natural born talents and are geniuses when it comes to Martial Arts.

Yeah I also await the ep where these 2 martial artist juggernauts came face to face beating the crap out of each other, hopefully they will in the anime.

ipernorris
2009-06-07, 05:50
Yeah I also await the ep where these 2 martial artist juggernauts came face to face beating the crap out of each other, hopefully they will in the anime.
yeah but thanks to Leerin the first round will be boring as hell. HB vs ordinary dite... LOL they can save precious screen time and showing Layfon half dead after the first round! :heh:

hope assasin
2009-06-07, 06:26
Savaris is currently 26-27 of age

but in the novel only 25 years old=))

TrueKnight
2009-06-07, 07:25
but in the novel only 25 years old=))

Yikes whoopsie. My mistake. >_>; Thanks for the correction.

SageGaiGar
2009-06-07, 07:26
Can we make it light on the character attacks? ^_^ Even if I admit Felli has been suffering from plot induced idiocy... oh wait no its just finally getting emotional. Still, highly amusing yet disturbing to see full out Shipping war breaking out. MF all over again. Less trolling plz. (or more trolling... I want to get my schadenfreude on)

NoOneKnowS
2009-06-07, 11:04
Layfon sure knows when to initiate a kiss huh. Though pretty meh since it was only on the cheeks. But I'm still satisfied w/ that. I'm a Nina/Leerin fan anyway. Either of two would be just perfectly fine w/ me. Or better, it could end w/ a threesome w/ LeerinxLayfonxNina. :D

Deathkillz
2009-06-07, 13:34
What this is about I simply just don't know...

Suddenly we have nina turning into a goat head amongst a mess of a lot of other stuff...they actually planned on firing that cannon at Grendan? For LULZ sakes...

justinstrife
2009-06-07, 13:54
spin, spin that wheel fellis fans.... sibling kiss huh?
lulz

spin,spin, lalala, spin,spin

I know right? :heh:

Ultramarinus
2009-06-07, 15:07
Just watched and I must say that the degree of divergence from the novels bothered me quite a bit. :(

Biggest props go to Nina for leaving Leerin alone with Layfon, selfless consideration at its best! Learn from the cap'n Felli, good deeds pay for themselves! The man of the day was the president who foresaw the situation, recalling ep 1's events.

A couple of other interesting development came along like Saya awakening and the queen commenting about Saya's involvement in the events. Ah and Savaris pretty much declared that he'll get a good beating at ep 24 by showing how vicious he is.

Next episode Nina will lay down a big-time smackdown apparently, a shame having that fugly mask on and being possessed though. Oh well, looks like she'll end up as the main female character of the season as expected. A shame that it came to this though. Don't worry Harvey, we'll save her! :nod:

germanturkey
2009-06-07, 15:12
KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS!!!!! most of the ep was pretty bleh, but the development between Leerin and Layfon made it great. quite a few plot holes, but they have 2 eps to fill them in. I love how Savaris talks down to Goreno. absolutely cruel.

So now that Nina has given up on Layfon with the "I entrust Layfon to you" then the symbolic elevator doors closing. though there might be room for reprise when Layfon goes to save her next ep.. too bad she's gone ape shit crazy apparently.

hopefully Layfon gets the Katana dite soon. so we get to see the ep 1 Layfon we've been missing the whole series.

Shiroth
2009-06-07, 15:16
It's about time the childhood friend had a lead in the love department. Haven't seen that done in a while.

Also all the crazy madness is finally being explained one after another, so that's what i like to see. I'm guessing we'll see more answers in the last two episodes, and hopefully won't leave what i seriously want to know out.

thundrakkon
2009-06-07, 15:28
but later Canalice said to the queen that if they dont have 12th hb than they should hold to everything like haikizoku..... so if Layfon would become new host (first that wanted goat-chan XD).... he would have to return becouse of that goat and the same queen could give layfon again his 12th hb seat

Maybe Layfon loves Leerin as a simbling but that is not for sure ^^ (he is dull regarding his feelings expresion) since he kissed only her and onlyto her he talked so openly....... I wonder what Sayas objective is like queen said.... is it the haikizoku or she wants Layfon to go back to grendan too along with Leerin (I mean Leerin loves layfon and saya knows about it...... maybe she wants to make Leerin happy :P) guess time will show

The 12th seat will probably return to Layfon at some point. However, from my guess, Layfon will probably kill Savaris one day. Then they could substitute the guy Savaris fought at Myath into Savaris' Heaven's blade position. Felli will at some point take over the old lady Heaven's Blade position as well. These all seem plausible from what they have shown us.

As for the Leerin kiss scene, it was very obvious that Leerin was expecting a kiss on the lips, with her puckering her lips up and closing her eyes. However, Layfon did what Layfon does best, and avoided that with an ambiguous kiss on the cheek. The shock on Leerin's face when he did that kind of says it all, since she was expecting a passionate kiss. Hence, welcome to Layfon's harem, Leerin, where everything is very one sided and you won't find out where you stand in his heart (well, except for poor Mei).

I wonder what the queen is referring to when she asks what Saya is up to and the perfect timing of the filth monster?

Savaris is asking for a beating, although, we just saw that same exact scenario an episode ago... except, Savaris doesn't have a band of followers showing their love for him.

I am guessing at some point, we will see Leerin' powers in full effect, probably saving Nina from the Haizoku. I hope we get to see the other Heaven's Blades go into combat as well, but for some reason, I think they are more of a display case for this season...

Johnny
2009-06-07, 15:52
Great we finally get rid of Haia who was all hot n' bothered for Layfon and now we have Savaris who seems just as bad. So Layfon get's all comers both female and male, is that like a reverse harem reversed back again x2...?

zibi88
2009-06-07, 16:01
First fresh spoiler pictures of next ep23 ^^

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The enemy filth monsters from aurora fields are multiplaying makeing all HB fights ^^ [finaly we will see other HB in use], Nina's will is fully taken over by the Haikizoku [according to preview in ep22 Nina might try to fight it somehow from the inside... but I guess layfon will pay the biggest influance here]

anyway it sounds interesting ^^

Arkard
2009-06-07, 16:20
I like the surprisingly civil and friendly interaction between Nina and Leerin despite their obvious conflict of interest. Everyone is obsessed with Layfon though, whether they be male, female, or trans-dimensional animal >_<

Nina: I entrust Layfon to you.
<elevator closes and wave>
<Nina collapses and grabs her head>
Nina: I was so close! Why did she have to show up now!?
Goat-chan: Nina merge with me and I will be your blade to slice any in your way to Layfon!
Nina: But...
Goat-chan: Come on, you know you want to. We'll share him!
Nina: ...
Hopefully the upcoming battle(s) are even better then the Haia fight. Savaris is showing more borderline tendencies of evil, what with his cruelty even to his own blood.

clarakiss~
2009-06-07, 17:56
as i expected, the plot is being too rushed and is probably going to be cramped into the last two eps! i hate it when they do that. alot of things are happening and two more eps isn't enough! >.<

so layfon has his eyes on nina (yaa~!) they go well together, which is why layfon kissed leerin on the cheeks. if it were nina, he would've kissed her on the lips. :D

germanturkey
2009-06-07, 18:32
if it were nina, he would've kissed her on the lips. :D

keep dreaming ;)

panpo98
2009-06-07, 19:07
Why stop with Nina. He should give every girl in his harem a reward. Can't anyone of them attack Layfon (at least like Lerrin did in episode 1) and give him a serious lip time. Waiting on him isn't getting the girls anywhere.

Arkard
2009-06-07, 19:11
Why stop with Nina. He should give every girl in his harem a reward. Can't anyone of them attack Layfon (at least like Lerrin did in episode 1) and give him a serious lip time. Waiting on him isn't getting the girls anywhere.

I would even settle for the goat spirit.

I think Leerin does have that edge. She's more... aggressive I'd guess? Nina and Felli are more passive and Mei dropped off the face of Regios. Still think it's a Leerin and Nina race now with a slight lead for the childhood friend. Kiss scene this episode and hug scene a few episodes back blow the other two out of the water.

GhOsTeDgE
2009-06-07, 19:34
keep dreaming ;)

Says someone who considers talking about Nina and a kiss in the cheek as "development between Leerin and Layfon."

yeahitschris
2009-06-07, 19:47
haha i see bleach, with the goat mask, i wanted to see action ~_~

justinstrife
2009-06-07, 19:50
as i expected, the plot is being too rushed and is probably going to be cramped into the last two eps! i hate it when they do that. alot of things are happening and two more eps isn't enough! >.<

so layfon has his eyes on nina (yaa~!) they go well together, which is why layfon kissed leerin on the cheeks. if it were nina, he would've kissed her on the lips. :D

As a fellow poster said, keep dreaming :heh:

Lostdreams
2009-06-07, 20:55
Leerin just got cut out of the harem with that rejected kiss to the mouth.

Bonta Kun
2009-06-07, 21:11
so that big red filth monster is that lad that keeps appearing out of the blue all the time?

not sure what to make of this ep really just kinda left alot hanging and not on a good cliffhanger really, ah well just gotta slug it out till next ep.

heres hoping to a happy reunion between Fonfon and his former comrades...well actually heres hoping we get to other HBs in action!

ani_d
2009-06-07, 22:24
Cliffhangers are just mean. -_- I wish there will be a set up for a Layfon vs Nina battle. It would be so ironic to see Layfon and Nina engage in a real duel. It makes for good drama between the main characters especially now that we're near the finale. All those talk about teamwork and trust and bonds put to test lol I think Nina just needs to show the haikizoku who's boss. The haikizoku will be a great help to Zuellni if Nina can tame it. I'm rooting for her next episode.

so layfon has his eyes on nina (yaa~!) they go well together, which is why layfon kissed leerin on the cheeks. if it were nina, he would've kissed her on the lips.

If Layfon were to kiss Nina, or just even show signs of kissing her, she'll probably use restoration on him.:heh: But interesting to see Layfon express regret on what he did back at Grendan--something Nina made him realize. ^_^

ipernorris
2009-06-08, 00:31
Serious Layfon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haikizokued Nina

So stop with the boring duels. I want Layfon vs Savaris! :cool:

blewin
2009-06-08, 00:39
what's with Savaris?? This guy is creeepy. He rather likes himself, doesn't he?

Looks like we'll have Heaven Blades fighting huge filth monster (but the Queen didn't make an effort to stop it... as if she even predicted it happening!). I've a feeling that Regios will end terribly. Big mystery revealed in the last 3 episodes without enough build-up = disaster.

zibi88
2009-06-08, 00:52
ok all pictures of next episode appeared now...

spoiler pictures of ep23....
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anyway lots of fighting (half of it will mostly be other HB fights)

blewin
2009-06-08, 00:58
ok all pictures of next episode appeared now...

spoiler pictures of ep23....
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http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8637/15914773.jpg (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15914773.jpg)

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anyway lots of fighting (half of it will mostly be other HB fights)

seems like some flashback on Layfon and Leerin.

and what's with Zuellni's students pointing guns at Felli! :mad:

zibi88
2009-06-08, 01:14
seems like some flashback on Layfon and Leerin.

and what's with Zuellni's students pointing guns at Felli! :mad:

Well if you look closer Felli pointed her pink-leaf on her brother [star shaped so for attacking].... what I can get it is that Karian wants to hold Felli safe not involved with the fight.... since he sended team17 on a very dangerous mission that has no guaranty of returning alive.... Felli wanted to go too but her brother wants to stop her (that's why there are guns around her)

Leerin is in shelter she is talking with Naruki and in the time Leerin remembers her past with Layfon....and what future he choiced (fighting and the same protecting his family,friends becouse he wants to)

hmmm queen sends the witch with guns to locate the intruder.... which it turns out to be Dixerio [we see it on 1pic]..... besides that like it was mentioned earlier lots of other HB fights.... goat-chan takes over nina and mostly fights monsters [not sure if only them]...

one text at beggining of few pic. said that layfon future is known... [no clue about this one]

blewin
2009-06-08, 01:22
Well if you look closer Felli pointed her pink-leaf on her brother [star shaped so for attacking].... what I can get it is that Karian wants to hold Felli safe not involved with the fight.... since he sended team17 on a very dangerous mission that has no guaranty of returning alive.... Felli wanted to go too but her brother wants to stop her (that's why there are guns around her)

Leerin is in shelter she is talking with Naruki and in the time Leerin remembers her past with Layfon....and what future he choiced (fighting and the same protecting his family,friends becouse he wants to)

hmmm queen sends the witch with guns to locate the intruder.... which it turns out to be Dixerio [we see it on 1pic]..... besides that like it was mentioned earlier lots of other HB fights.... goat-chan takes over nina and mostly fights monsters [not sure if only them]...

one text at beggining of few pic. said that layfon future is known... [no clue about this one]

thanks. I didn't pick up the bit with the star-shaped leaves.

any idea just what/who is the goat/Nina attacking? HB wielders or filth monster or just about anyone in sight? (I'm under the impression that there's currently only one monster around, the big one that came through the Aurora field.)

Layfon's fate is known?? I don't think the anime has shown enough hints and evidences so far to point at Layfon's special existence, as in that he holds some special relevance to the key mystery of the story. uhh... now I'm really dreading the ending. Perhaps it might be better if they leave it open-ended. At least they can't ruin the story that way.

zibi88
2009-06-08, 01:30
thanks. I didn't pick up the bit with the star-shaped leaves.

any idea just what/who is the goat/Nina attacking? HB wielders or filth monster or just about anyone in sight? (I'm under the impression that there's currently only one monster around, the big one that came through the Aurora field.)

Layfon's fate is known?? I don't think the anime has shown enough hints and evidences so far to point at Layfon's special existence, as in that he holds some special relevance to the key mystery of the story. uhh... now I'm really dreading the ending. Perhaps it might be better if they leave it open-ended. At least they can't ruin the story that way.

I think that Nina currently is attacking monsters [rather goat-chan who is fully in control now].......but from aurora fields more monsters come out not only outside but I think that inside grendan we can see them too... time will show....

About that future thing... hard to say but maybe Layfon has a destiny that he is walking streith to it..... maybe his future is simply fighting monsters that why he was born for..... other option is that he might at the end die (while protecting those important to him)........ or the goat will leave Nina and enter Layfon and become his sword to fight the monsters (his fate since goat had lots of intrerest in layfon from the beggining and now that he knows his reasons for fighting goat might choice to enter layfon).....the same he will save everyone in both cities

hard to say guess we have to wait for next saturday to find out :P

dunames
2009-06-08, 01:51
i dont much a future for leerin+layfon. leerin didnt get a sisblin kiss on teh forehead but she didnt get a fail attepmt on teh lip either. instead she get a lets just be friend kiss on the cheek. that it for her.

Enternal
2009-06-08, 02:36
i dont much a future for leerin+layfon. leerin didnt get a sisblin kiss on teh forehead but she didnt get a fail attepmt on teh lip either. instead she get a lets just be friend kiss on the cheek. that it for her.

Not quite yet. Because since it is following the novels good enough then... I'll stop there.

Seriously, this reminds me of the "spin spin spin" thing a while back from someone on this thread.

-Sho-
2009-06-08, 03:56
Great episode :)

The reunion Gorneo-Savaris was good ! Savaris is evil XD So he want to fight with Layfon :)
Nina "I entrust Layfon to you" :)
AAAAAh , i expected a deep kiss ! Well , still Leerin x Layfon ^^
Lol , they wanted to shot Grendan with the Kei-ra cannon XD
Well , it seems that is Saya who summoned the filth monsters . Dunno why .. the plot is always confuse etc ...
Damn Leerin didn't give The Ultimate Katana :(
Nina became a goat XD

Next episode seems very great !
HB will fight and the witch with her guns :) :)
And the fight Layfon vs Nina .
(Loool if they end up like episode 19 )

willyvereb
2009-06-08, 04:06
Watched the episode at last...Nina's suffering, Felli starts to become a waifu2, Gorneo breakdown and so on...
Savaris is truly wicked...I can't believe that he's at the side of Grendan with a crazy personality like that! sadistic, egoistic and even megalomaniac. He's not even heartless...he hurts the people's hearts intentionally!
Nina is in trouble again...man she has no time to relax(same with Layfon...partly because of her:p). Surprisingly we see nothing about Felli's reaction to Leerin.
Seriously...the last episodes will be extremely rushed and content-heavy!

About the preview:more Dixerio...now we may compare him to a HB for real+a well deserved gun Witch scene. Nina-goat in serious action. Actually i hoped if they have a Nina-goat fight then it's with golden aura and without some kind of mask...
I hope it has at least enough content about the plot...not only action like ep 21.

panpo98
2009-06-08, 05:25
It is surprising the girls around Felli's brother are more then pretty faces.

magnuskn
2009-06-08, 05:51
Meh, I´d be severely disappointed if Leerin wins by just showing up. Would make the whole romance set-ups for all other characters quite pointless.

Anyway, it´s pretty much to be expected that we won´t get a resolution. I´d wish they´d ( Japanese anime studios ) stop doing that, it gets pretty annoying after a while

Ultramarinus
2009-06-08, 05:54
Why would the studio pull something out of their asses when the novel writer himself didn't put out such a conclusion?

magnuskn
2009-06-08, 06:02
Why would the studio pull something out of their asses when the novel writer himself didn't put out such a conclusion?

Because we are getting an original ending, anyway?

Fevvers
2009-06-08, 06:13
Now I'm not sure if we will get a resolution in this love business, but the anime should be able to stand on its own, especially with no further seasons in sight and some events from the novels being skipped already. Besides, sometimes original creators themselves give anime staff not only the go signal but also hints and ideas on what is to come to his/her characters and plot.

As for the episode itself, nice to see the culmination of Layfon's development here, right out of Layfon's mouth even, that, yes, there were things he did in the past that he should have avoided, and that by meeting the people in Zuellni (Nina, I think, especially), he has come to realize that there are better ways to go about protecting his loved ones.

Leerin was cute here, especially in regards to her interaction with Nina as expected. It's curious to see though that despite the whole Layfon kissing Leerin's cheek scene, it didn't really feel all that romantic. Heck, right after Leerin told him about Nina being unable to forgive herself and before being told of the strange events in Myath, Layfon's been focused on Nina far too much. It's suspicious, and admittedly, squee-inducing, but no one really needs to know that. ;p

Ultramarinus
2009-06-08, 06:34
Because we are getting an original ending, anyway?
Now I'm not sure if we will get a resolution in this love business, but the anime should be able to stand on its own, especially with no further seasons in sight and some events from the novels being skipped already. Besides, sometimes original creators themselves give anime staff not only the go signal but also hints and ideas on what is to come to his/her characters and plot.
You two must be aware that such a conclusion would literally close the door to another anime adaptation for good, unless they scrap the whole season and re-animate it like how FMA is doing this year. It'd be like Peter Jackson forcing Eowyn onto Aragorn just to please romance enthusiasts because Tolkien is still writing the third book.

The novels still have a long way to go with so many characters just barely showing themselves and the real story being foreshadowed. We may have watched one season but it means nothing if the writer is going for material that can be made into several more seasons. Some clueless guy in the anime studio deciding on a MAJOR plot final by himself is a guaranteed way to doom that particular series. I've seen it happening to many times by now, Evangelion for one that's being re-done all over simply because the original got messed up by its director as well.

zibi88
2009-06-08, 07:16
Meh, I´d be severely disappointed if Leerin wins by just showing up. Would make the whole romance set-ups for all other characters quite pointless.

Anyway, it´s pretty much to be expected that we won´t get a resolution. I´d wish they´d ( Japanese anime studios ) stop doing that, it gets pretty annoying after a while

what the hell are you talking about :P Leerin was close to Layfon WAY WAY more than all other girls together.... she was growing up with Layfon and she knows him the most compared to other girls..... it would be damn unfair if Layfon ended up with Nina or Felli since they dont know each other for long (and they realize Layfons existance after makeing him suffer [nina tagged him to squad and he had to undergo lots of fighting even if he didnt wanted to [the training nina took him with meishen help made layfon badly hurt].... becouse of felli layfon got cut by haia.... after this they realize how much they pushed burdens on layfon )

Kinda only Leerin saw how much burden Layfon is carrying and becouse she was worried about him she as the only girl that wanted Layfon to stop fighting and she said that dirrectly while opposeing Layfon....

So I'm personaly rooting for LayfonxLeerin ^^ we in preview see how they were leaving in past..... like a normal family it kinda looked like they were married [liveing happyly in a house ^^]...... Nina is obssesed with military arts and she doesnt see anything besides that (while layfon told dirrectly to her that he doesnt like to fight and that he never felt happy in a fight).... Felli is kinda too gloomy as for my taste [not mention her jelous outbursts] and becouse felli has Karian as brother he would make Layfon work with fighting monsters to end of his life........ other normal life would be meishen but well she rather stepped back from trying [yet she doesnt know about layfon more than leerin]

so for me Layfon might feel normal life only with Leerin... no need for fighting becouse someone tells you.... Leerin can demand from queen not to give Layfon many fights (and queen wont hurt leerin mentaly or psyhicaly)... and like she showed in current episode she is damn worried about him and doesnt want him to fight becouse he might die...

All that Leerin needs to do is to say dirrectly in front of Layfon what she feels for him ^^ that should work :P and since Leerin didnt gived Layfon his weapon there still is the possibility they will meet ^^

Fevvers
2009-06-08, 07:21
As much as I'm enjoying this show (though it does have its up and downs), if it can solidly answer or give a satisfying resolution to most of the plot points raised, then I don't see a need in dragging it for another season. But that's just me, obviously.

Besides, this won't be the first time anime has deviated from the original, some for the worse, some for the better. Seeing as not many people in the english-speaking world has read the novels, it's difficult to say just how good or crappily written the novels really are.

zibi88
2009-06-08, 07:39
but well we have to watch "legend of regios" to understand and pull the plot all together.... without that its kinda filled with plot holes >__< maybe if there was 26 and not 24 episoded they could explain it litte more...

Tyrone Biggums
2009-06-08, 07:52
Any word on a second season yet?

ipernorris
2009-06-08, 08:29
Any word on a second season yet?
Yes there will be a second season called Chrome Shelled Layfon. (j/k :D )

magnuskn
2009-06-08, 11:05
You two must be aware that such a conclusion would literally close the door to another anime adaptation for good, unless they scrap the whole season and re-animate it like how FMA is doing this year. It'd be like Peter Jackson forcing Eowyn onto Aragorn just to please romance enthusiasts because Tolkien is still writing the third book.

The novels still have a long way to go with so many characters just barely showing themselves and the real story being foreshadowed. We may have watched one season but it means nothing if the writer is going for material that can be made into several more seasons. Some clueless guy in the anime studio deciding on a MAJOR plot final by himself is a guaranteed way to doom that particular series. I've seen it happening to many times by now, Evangelion for one that's being re-done all over simply because the original got messed up by its director as well.

Same thing happened with Claymore. Shows getting a second season while their manga/light novel is still on-going are pretty rare these days. So I think the animation studio isn´t counting on it, neither, and *maybe* they want to give the story a resolution, instead of an open ending.

Not that an open ending is so unlikely, tons of anime have them.

what the hell are you talking about :P Leerin was close to Layfon WAY WAY more than all other girls together.... she was growing up with Layfon and she knows him the most compared to other girls.....

All of which we haven´t seen, just heard of ( we got a few flashbacks, but that´s all ). We did, however, see the developments between him and Felli / Nina.

His interactions with Leerin are close to nil in the episodes themselves... so, yeah, I stand by my opinion that it´d be unfair for Leerin to win by just showing up.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-08, 11:52
As much as I'm enjoying this show (though it does have its up and downs), if it can solidly answer or give a satisfying resolution to most of the plot points raised, then I don't see a need in dragging it for another season. But that's just me, obviously.

Besides, this won't be the first time anime has deviated from the original, some for the worse, some for the better. Seeing as not many people in the english-speaking world has read the novels, it's difficult to say just how good or crappily written the novels really are.
Well, I guess the majority here would like to see the story animated as much as possible and not sacrifice that chance just to see Layfon kissing one of the girls at ep 24 end.

Most for the worse, because it's a universally known statistic that a story has the more successful adaptation when it stays true to the original, as the original author crafted it. Deviations from this trend are few compared to the trend examples itself and anime medium is a proving ground for it. I doubt that notion could be disagreed upon.
Same thing happened with Claymore. Shows getting a second season while their manga/light novel is still on-going are pretty rare these days. So I think the animation studio isn´t counting on it, neither, and *maybe* they want to give the story a resolution, instead of an open ending.

Not that an open ending is so unlikely, tons of anime have them.

And Claymore is another example of turning into a mess-up, all thanks to it. Second season thing is rare because of several possible issues:

- Original medium not reaching enough material to grand another season.
- The enthusiasm on the title diminishing by the time enough material is produced.
- Anime adaptation messing up with a unique ending and this resulting in either killing the audience interest or story in a way not recoverable.

If the story is messed up that badly, the franchise needs to remain popular enough to grant a total remake with faithful story, which is extremely rare. And romance conclusion would totally kill any chance of continuing the story with a second season. We already have an anime-specific ending, no need to push it down the cliff just for a lovey-dovey minute.

akumakage
2009-06-08, 13:24
Alrit eps nottin much happened.

For some reason I'm not very hyped for love triangles in this series, in an other word layfon can end up with anybody as long as I care. Weird since I loveeeeeeee harem animes. Guess their is really not that many girls that really got my attention in this anime.

For some reason while the whole kiss scene was going down in this eps, it felt like I had one of those soccer announcers going "ohhhh.. he is getting close, now she is getting closer... the atmosphere is really tense..... oh he is going for it will..will.. it happen...... OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO REJECTED, REJECTED, REJECTED, TOO BAD REJECT a kiss on the chick instead of the lips" I swear it felt just like that, weird huh?

The one thing I really want to c is someone drop the queen from her high horse tbh. I would love to c an eps where she is totally powerless. I'm hoping Savaris would do just that.

Mei19
2009-06-08, 14:12
Savaris, Savaris, Savarisuuu.:D No words can express how mightily evil and cool he is. He should be the god of the next Regios, kill everyone, burn babies, seductively bathe in FM's blood, all the while laughing in his sexy sadistical way all daaayyy. All he needs is a one wing surgically attached on his back and he'll be purrrfect! Perfect.

It didn't click that Grendan city was all that until I realized how inferior an Academy city is. There's general and academy cities and general cities are supposed to be the bigwigs. I thought Grendan was a only a normal city and the queen was just there molesting its citizens. XD Not only did Leerin forget what she came to Zuellni for despite the camera's overwhelming focus on the psyharden, she also unknowingly brought the Saya that summoned the dying slave against Zuellni.:cool: She might unknowingly collapse next episode since emoness makes people collapse and Layfon might unknowingly give his heart to her once he sees her and promise to start a family with her once he graduates. I'm BSing on the last part. Lemme add that the goat's insanity might be because of the deprivation of grass supply from when his city died. It is one insane haikizoku who doesn't give up and pesters its host to do its odd biddings all the while sugarcoating his rewards with words like 'sword' and 'strength' and 'kill your enemies'. Nina must have it hard tsk tsk. Why can't goat-chan do his business by himself? O right he can't. He's just a goat.:eyespin:

Who cares about a romantic conclusion? Whether they do it or not, watching the Disneyland-mk2 reunion in episode 19, this anime has been pushing Nina/Layfon to our faces ever since the eariler episodes. Leerin can even make out with Layfon and they'll still push Nina/Layfon in the end. I don't hate it. But I wish Dixerio has had some chances....erm...I didn't say anything.

zibi88
2009-06-09, 02:31
damn I was wondering about something.... well we see on next episode pictures that Layfon while beign outside the regios is wearing a helmet..... while other HB (Lintence and that other HB dont know his name [the one with glasses] are running without masks XD [they tull down down that brown clothing down and they are ok...] )

Strange that Layfon is useing such technology helm while others in grendan are usieng some old torn up cloths and they are not hurt by pollution at all xD (even layfon in ep1) was wearing such thing while traveling between cieties but normaly he should get hurt by it since its like not wearing anything (in next episodes in that zerenii larva bug attack layfon jumped out in his uniform and his uniform was burning too....[while in ep1 while ruding that bike he was alright XD] )

kinda strange but well....time will show... for me is when and how leerin is going to give layfon his sword (layfon is outside the regios.... while leerin is inside shelter and cant get out... )


Not only did Leerin forget what she came to Zuellni for despite the camera's overwhelming focus on the psyharden, she also unknowingly brought the Saya that summoned the dying slave against Zuellni

Saya didnt summoned that thing >___< read the subtitles...... the monster's in aurora fields kinda waited for Saya to leave grendan and be separeted from grendan and the queen..... Saya felt that something is comeing and she woke up saying what is it (she knows about monsters and all)........ Leerin forgot to give Layfon his sword [with this he would be much safer ^^] but that gives the possibility of next encounter while knowing what to say [now she can silently prepare her felings and throughts].........

monir
2009-06-09, 02:52
Savaris, Savaris, Savarisuuu.:D No words can express how mightily evil and cool he is. He should be the god of the next Regios, kill everyone, burn babies, seductively bathe in FM's blood, all the while laughing in his sexy sadistical way all daaayyy. All he needs is a one wing surgically attached on his back and he'll be purrrfect! Perfect.

I second Mei with the burning of babies with Savaris in it. :D

This subdued discussion makes me somber, especially when Layfon initiated a kiss. Oh no! What's that smoke in the distance? Doh! I just figured it out why the discussion is subdued. Those are ships burning! :heh: And there are tons of Regios-fans' jumping ships. Very wise decision. I'm sure the discussion will be back on track once the fans dry themselves.

There there. I know folks that shipped Layfon x Goat must have been devastated. I won't even bother mentioning what must have gone through the Layfon x Felli and Layfon x Nina (me included) shippers. Anyone else want to use my snot-filled hanky to wipe those tears? Please feel free.

Disclaimer: All criminal prosecution for that particular observation should be directed to Mei only because I won't be available to answer the door.

willyvereb
2009-06-09, 03:31
A kiss on the cheek is really nothing to brun whole ships...especially if Layfon's thoughts are focused on another girl:)
About the protective suits vs Grendan: I think they have some kind of technique that emerges a force field that makes a zone safe from pollution. Perhaps for an Academy City it's impossible:p

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 05:33
Strange that Layfon is useing such technology helm while others in grendan are usieng some old torn up cloths and they are not hurt by pollution at all xD
Grendan technology operates by the Rule of Cool. :heh:
There there. I know folks that shipped Layfon x Goat must have been devastated. I won't even bother mentioning what must have gone through the Layfon x Felli and Layfon x Nina (me included) shippers. Anyone else want to use my snot-filled hanky to wipe those tears? Please feel free.
He has got to be allergic to girls or something to not kiss a childhood friend on the cheek. :p In any case, it feels like Nina will get the highlights of his attention at the end or near end. :eyespin:

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 07:16
You gotta compliment Nina to be able making others worry about her multiple times. Makes you wonder who's the real damsel that requires help the most. >_>;

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 07:42
Huh? I'd advise checking out the description of a DiD. She puts herself in the thick of things, which is her job and duty. It's not like the author set her power level to over 9000 unlike certain others, who try to escape from reality and their responsibilities even though they have what it takes on a silver platter from the start. :rolleyes:

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 07:56
Yeah that’s some of the positive side from her. But she did : (i) went missing worrying her teammates to death and ; (ii) hide the fact that she was possessed with a crazy goat. Now her teammates again worry about her, and finally their worries come to fruitition. She’s good at it I tell you.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 08:15
I need to remind you that she didn't go missing on purpose. As for hiding the goat, that was an understandable (see: Dinn's situation) mistake on her part. (which was attributed to her by the anime staff so non-canon in any case, Felli did way worse in the same episode but I didn't shoot her down because it wasn't canon as well)

She's willing to go as far as death to protect what she needs to protect, of course someone's bound to worry in the process. For good reason, there's a war out there and she's fighting the good fight.

Sinestra
2009-06-09, 08:46
So what are the chances of Nina ending up a vegetable like Dinn, if they forcefully remove our shiny goat friend?

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 08:57
I need to remind you that she didn't go missing on purpose. As for hiding the goat, that was an understandable (see: Dinn's situation) mistake on her part. (which was attributed to her by the anime staff so non-canon in any case, Felli did way worse in the same episode but I didn't shoot her down because it wasn't canon as well)

She's willing to go as far as death to protect what she needs to protect, of course someone's bound to worry in the process. For good reason, there's a war out there and she's fighting the good fight.

Which further support my arguments that she is the one requires saving the most because of the secret. I don’t see the need of bringing Felli into the picture, but you did, so I’m inclined to further argue (supported with hard facts) that what Felli did in the part you mentioned was well placed and understandable, and I’ll be (again, to be fair with your post) using Nina as a benchmark. As a matter of fact, what Felli had worried already come into place.


So what are the chances of Nina ending up a vegetable like Dinn, if they forcefully remove our shiny goat friend?

Fortunately, almost second to none. Because we all know Layfon’s so awesome he’s gonna save her at the end. >_>;

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 09:34
So what are the chances of Nina ending up a vegetable like Dinn, if they forcefully remove our shiny goat friend?
There was an argument about the drugs playing a part in him turning up like that, but the traumatic removal played a bigger role it seems. I'd say there's a high a chance, but would be averted in some way as Nina is pretty much the most prominent character after Layfon in the story.
Which further support my arguments that she is the one requires saving the most because of the secret. I don’t see the need of bringing Felli into the picture, but you did, so I’m inclined to further argue (supported with hard facts) that what Felli did in the part you mentioned was well placed and understandable, and I’ll be (again, to be fair with your post) using Nina as a benchmark. As a matter of fact, what Felli had worried already come into place.
Secret or no secret, things wouldn't change. They learned about it this episode and what could they do? Getting all upset because they cannot do anything about it, as they know removing it carries a high risk of injuring their comrade.

I was merely telling you that keeping it secret wasn't canon as far as the story is concerned, so I could flat out ignore it, like I did with Felli.

But if you really insist on comparing the stuff magicked out of nowhere by anime staff: Nina hid a secret because she was scared and confused. Felli tried to eliminate a self-assumed rival in love who's supposed to be her comrade by using that as an excuse. If you call that understandable and well-placed, I guess we have different opinions on how we judge virtues and vices. :rolleyes:

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 09:48
Secret or no secret, things wouldn't change. They learned about it this episode and what could they do? Getting all upset because they cannot do anything about it, as they know removing it carries a high risk of injuring their comrade.

They have Leerin.

I was merely telling you that keeping it secret wasn't canon as far as the story is concerned, so I could flat out ignore it, like I did with Felli.

This is the anime thread you know, where the anime stands in its own universe, these are facts that we should accept. If you want flat out ignore the anime because its not cannon, you can always go to the novel thread and discuss the 'other' Nina.

Nina hid a secret because she was scared and confused. Yes and made her teammate worry even more with the current event

Felli tried to eliminate a self-assumed rival in love who's supposed to be her comrade by using that as an excuse.

Nina went missing and Felli demanded to know what happen because her team was worried about her. Love is one thing, but the previous should be taken into consideration.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 10:00
They have Leerin.
Do they or Leerin have any idea about what to do or what she's capable of?
This is the anime thread you know, where the anime stands in its own universe, these are facts that we should accept. If you want flat out ignore the anime because its not cannon, you can always go to the novel thread and discuss the 'other' Nina.
Other? The 'original' would be more correct. :) In any case, I already made my comment on the anime.
Yes and made her teammate worry even more with the current event
I'd say that anyone here would keep such a secret if the outcome could be veggie state. It's not like she doesn't care about others' worries, see: apologizing to them and Felli sincerely.
Nina went missing and Felli demanded to know what happen because her team was worried about her. Love is one thing, but the previous should be taken into consideration.
But Felli couldn't care less about the team or their worries, according to her portrayal in the anime. See:

- Her dialogue with Layfon - How can you trust her?!!
- Her comment after killing a trash bin - Why is he so happy because of her return?!!

So yeah, if you delve into the anime portrayal, Felli is on the borderline of being a villain.

Sinestra
2009-06-09, 10:00
There was an argument about the drugs playing a part in him turning up like that, but the traumatic removal played a bigger role it seems. I'd say there's a high a chance, but would be averted in some way as Nina is pretty much the most prominent character after Layfon in the story.
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Well for some reason i have had a feeling that the queen will be involved in whatever process they use to subdue or remove it.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 10:03
Possible, as we didn't witness a 'proper' extraction of the haikizoku until now. Maybe it doesn't need to be overly traumatic a la bijuu extractions in Naruto. :heh:

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 10:10
Do they or Leerin have any idea about what to do or what she's capable of?

Let’s see, if Nina had told her secret, when Leerin enters picture, what’s with all of you? Nina is screwed, then maybe I could help her. But she didn’t, Hollow Nina surfaces.

Other? The 'original' would be more correct. In any case, I already made my comment on the anime.

Same could be said as Missing Mail, Claymore, Mai Hime, Evangelion, FMAs, Tsukihime series, Fate Stay Night, where they have their own respective spinoffs to stand in their own universe. So we should concentrate on the anime personifications alone.

I'd say that anyone here would keep such a secret if the outcome could be veggie state. It's not like she doesn't care about others' worries, see: apologizing to them and Felli sincerely.

Not if they trust their teammate enough and thinking the possible remedies. For Nina it’s ‘caring for them’, for the team it’s ‘I’m worried about her’.

But Felli couldn't care less about the team or their worries, according to her portrayal in the anime. See:

- Her dialogue with Layfon - How can you trust her?!!
- Her comment after killing a trash bin - Why is he so happy because of her return?!!

So yeah, if you delve into the anime portrayal, Felli is on the borderline of being a villain.

And what I stated previously, her ‘love/jealousy’ is one thing, but as a team member her demands to know what had happened because she was missing were well-placed and understandable.

azarhal
2009-06-09, 10:41
Actually, Layfon is the real damsel in distress using TrueKigth definition.

He's the one who cause the most worries to his friends and would-be-lovers (Leerin, Nina, Fellis, Mei, etc.) and he doesn't stop getting big injuries along the way too.

Personnaly, using my definition of damsel in distress, only Mei can be considered members of that select club. Fellis sometimes seem to want to stay in it too, but she have shown that she can take care of herself want nobody is looking.

By the way, why do people have the impression that Goat-Chan is going to be removed from Nina? Or that she actually need help to take care of it?

Maybe Goat-Chan want to stay with Nina forever.

justinstrife
2009-06-09, 10:43
Actually, Layfon is the real damsel in distress using TrueKigth definition.

He's the one who cause the most worries to his friends and would-be-lovers (Leerin, Nina, Fellis, Mei, etc.) and he doesn't stop getting big injuries along the way too.

Personnaly, using my definition of damsel in distress, only Mei can be considered members of that select club. Fellis sometimes seem to want to stay in it too, but she have shown that she can take care of herself want nobody is looking.

By the way, why do people have the impression that Goat-Chan is going to be removed from Nina? Or that she actually need help to take care of it?

Maybe Goat-Chan want to stay with Nina forever.

If it'll keep Nina away from Layfon, she can have Goat-chan. :heh:

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 10:43
Let’s see, if Nina had told her secret, when Leerin enters picture, what’s with all of you? Nina is screwed, then maybe I could help her. But she didn’t, Hollow Nina surfaces.
Leerin already saw the haikizoku but she has no idea whatsoever to do with it. Saya made her pray once and based on this ep, she seems to be unaware of a certain method to calm it down. In fact, it can be said that she has no idea whatsoever about what the goat is. She acted clueless about these matters throughout the whole series, even when she got attacked by MF-infested blackmailer man. So it's not like she can offer anything. Layfon knew what the goat was, so he put the pieces together when she told him.
Same could be said as Missing Mail, Claymore, Mai Hime, Evangelion, FMAs, Tsukihime series, Fate Stay Night, where they have their own respective spinoffs to stand in their own universe. So we should concentrate on the anime personifications alone.
I already did.
Not if they trust their teammate enough and thinking the possible remedies. For Nina it’s ‘caring for them’, for the team it’s ‘I’m worried about her’.
It's not that Nina doesn't trust them but you know the saying that goes: The walls have ears. She knows that certain high powers want to claim it for themselves, mercenary company being hired for that reason suggests the intrigue runs deep. The team worries about her, well, life is tough. It's not like she gets a kick out of it, right?
And what I stated previously, her ‘love/jealousy’ is one thing, but as a team member her demands to know what had happened because she was missing were well-placed and understandable.
Her love/jealousy is the SOLE and ONLY reason she presses the matter further. Up until now, she either:

- Underperformed when left to her sense of duty
- Did enough just to look good to Layfon
- Pushed herself to impress/save Layfon

So yeah, her sole motivation can be read like a book. For all she cares, she'd leave whole city and her squad to their deaths if it meant living a carefree life alone with Layfon. This literally happened in earlier episodes. So much for being a 'team member', she scolded them for their willing to trust her and disrespected her seniors. Incapable of any apologizing throughout the series no matter how faulty she gets, inconsiderate about others' feelings, including 'her preciousss'. (quite a bit of examples littered here and there)

To be honest, I don't think that it can be called love in the true meaning of the word. Infatuation would suit it better, like how children wants to get a toy no matter what and then get bored fast after they finally have it.

Natsuki Hyuga
2009-06-09, 10:54
... You know... Both Ultramarinus and TrueKnight really needs their venting thread here sometimes :heh: I love seeing their battl-- Errr... I mean, exchange of ideas. It gave so much inspiration <3

I swear I'm not shipping them! Honest! D:

/me runs away from accusing eyes

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 11:00
Leerin already saw the haikizoku but she has no idea whatsoever to do with it. Saya made her pray once and based on this ep, she seems to be unaware of a certain method to calm it down. In fact, it can be said that she has no idea whatsoever about what the goat is. She acted clueless about these matters throughout the whole series, even when she got attacked by MF-infested blackmailer man. So it's not like she can offer anything. Layfon knew what the goat was, so he put the pieces together when she told him.

No, the bird told her that if she pray it could help to calm the Haikizoku down, which she did, and Nina was saved. You’re downplaying her ability and persona.

It's not that Nina doesn't trust them but you know the saying that goes: The walls have ears. She knows that certain high powers want to claim it for themselves, mercenary company being hired for that reason suggests the intrigue runs deep. The team worries about her, well, life is tough. It's not like she gets a kick out of it, right?

She didn’t tell them and that’s fact. Her team mate got worried sick because of her.

Her love/jealousy is the SOLE and ONLY reason she presses the matter further. Up until now, she either:

- Underperformed when left to her sense of duty
- Did enough just to look good to Layfon
- Pushed herself to impress/save Layfon

So yeah, her sole motivation can be read like a book. For all she cares, she'd leave whole city and her squad to their deaths if it meant living a carefree life alone with Layfon. This literally happened in earlier episodes. So much for being a 'team member', she scolded them for their willing to trust her and disrespected her seniors. Incapable of any apologizing throughout the series no matter how faulty she gets, inconsiderate about others' feelings, including 'her preciousss'. (quite a bit of examples littered here and there)

To be honest, I don't think that it can be called love in the true meaning of the word. Infatuation would suit it better, like how children wants to get a toy no matter what and then get bored fast after they finally have it.

Agreed on the love part, disagree on her duty, here are what she did as I posted previously….long ago >_>


- Helped Layfon detected the mother FM in ep 5 where other squads or ppl couldn’t do crap.
- Saved the girl trio at ep 4.
- Giving surveillance on the bugs in ep 7 from miles away, making the FM;s noticing the bait aka Nina, exhausting herself in the process;
- Giving support in ep 8 and until 10 to the squad.
- Giving support and inform the squad about the Haikizoku in ep 14;
- Giving support in ep 16 to the squad without Layfon;
- Recording the battlefield in ep 17;
- Giving surveillance to Layfon at ep 18; and finally
- Located Zuellni and Nina in ep 19;

Her ‘motivation’ to do so is indeed mostly because of Layfon, nevertheless her feats have helped thousands of lives. She had done her duty properly as a soldier.

He's the one who cause the most worries to his friends and would-be-lovers (Leerin, Nina, Fellis, Mei, etc.) and he doesn't stop getting big injuries along the way too.

With all due respect, if you look at another perspective Layfon’s damsel in distress comes after he had beaten hordes of Fms, saving thousands of lives and friends alike.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 11:22
... You know... Both Ultramarinus and TrueKnight really needs their venting thread here sometimes :heh: I love seeing their battl-- Errr... I mean, exchange of ideas. It gave so much inspiration <3

I swear I'm not shipping them! Honest! D:

/me runs away from accusing eyes
That sounded something like Ogiue's virtual pairings from Genshiken. :p
No, the bird told her that if she pray it could help to calm the Haikizoku down, which she did, and Nina was saved. You’re downplaying her ability and persona.
So, um, why didn't she do or say anything to Nina on this ep then?
She didn’t tell them and that’s fact. Her team mate got worried sick because of her.
Uh, you seem to be avoiding the veggie state part. You know, that physical situation that's worse than death? Not to mention you're exaggerating the worrying part. They were worried. Nina asks for their trust, they accept. From that point onwards, nobody except Felli brings the matter forward.


Agreed on the love part, disagree on her duty, here are what she did as I posted previously….long ago >_>

Her ‘motivation’ to do so is indeed mostly because of Layfon, nevertheless her feats have helped thousands of lives. She had done her duty properly as a soldier.
She happened to do her duty 'barely' and just because it served her self-interest on claiming her preciousss, the one ring.. I mean, Layfon. :heh: She'd turn a blind eye to all those people dying if that's what would take her to get him. So yeah, motivation defines people ultimately, not their achievements. See example: Savaris killing FM's saves tons of people as well but he doesn't care one bit about them. Is he doing it out of his sense of duty? Quite doubtful.

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 11:38
So, um, why didn't she do or say anything to Nina on this ep then?

Because Nina hid the fact it’s dangerous and she couldn’t control it so she thought its fine and she wouldn’t know? Until Layfon finally snapped her out.

Uh, you seem to be avoiding the veggie state part. You know, that physical situation that's worse than death? Not to mention you're exaggerating the worrying part. They were worried. Nina asks for their trust, they accept. From that point onwards, nobody except Felli brings the matter forward

Well combined with the above point, the veggie part could’ve been prevented.

She happened to do her duty 'barely' and just because it served her self-interest on claiming her preciousss, the one ring. I mean, Layfon. She'd turn a blind eye to all those people dying if that's what would take her to get him. So yeah, motivation defines people ultimately, not their achievements. See example: Savaris killing FM's saves tons of people as well but he doesn't care one bit about them. Is he doing it out of his sense of duty? Quite doubtful.

Did she so far show she’d turn a blind eye if people were dying? Well maybe in ep 5, but after ep 7 I don’t see it at all, from what shown so far, what she did saved thousands of lives, she obeyed her orders up from ep 7 onwards. What intention that defines Felli as ‘evil’ so far? Did she like to torture people? No. And regardless her motives, she had saved thousands. Compared to Nina who from ep 10 onwards did nothing but losing and worrying her squad. As for Savaris well, he saved thousands, but he likes to torture people, which we did saw.

cheesie
2009-06-09, 12:00
Now where have we read all this before? :heh: Perhaps it's wise just to agree to disagree. I can't say pitting the girls against each other makes for a very inspiring discussion, but if you want to talk it out further, why not move to the respective character threads at least, and let the episode thread get back on track? :p

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 12:09
Now where have we read all this before? Perhaps it's wise just to agree to disagree. I can't say this makes for a very inspiring discussion, but if you want to talk it out, why not move to another thread at least, and let the episode thread get back on track?

Well I admit my third paragraph may strand off a bit, however the first and second statements are somewhat close to touch the merit of the current episode, where we saw the result of Nina’s possession, and her teammates finding out her secret. Though my arguments are more close to the ‘result’ and ‘impact’ of her secrecy.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 12:13
Because Nina hid the fact it’s dangerous and she couldn’t control it so she thought its fine and she wouldn’t know? Until Layfon finally snapped her out.
Leerin herself saw that goat and how badly it affected Nina, she herself says she was worried after how Nina disappeared that suddenly. What you're saying further proves her lack of knowledge about the matter.
Well combined with the above point, the veggie part could’ve been prevented.
You're making one big presumption here. Leerin knows that a goat possessed Nina, yet does nothing about it and moreover, she doesn't even show the least bit of interest in the matter even though she gets along well with Nina and cares for her. Nothing would be prevented, it's not like she was going to extract the goat without harming her before a third party intervenes forcefully.
Did she so far show she’d turn a blind eye if people were dying? Well maybe in ep 5, but after ep 7 I don’t see it at all, from what shown so far, what she did saved thousands of lives, she obeyed her orders up from ep 7 onwards. What intention that defines Felli as ‘evil’ so far? Did she like to torture people? No. And regardless her motives, she had saved thousands. Compared to Nina who from ep 10 onwards did nothing but losing and worrying her squad. As for Savaris well, he saved thousands, but he likes to torture people, which we did saw.
How many times would she need to repeat ep 5's deed to prove her selfishness to you? She goes against orders whenever Layfon is concerned, up till this ep. She didn't do what she did to save people. And it's not like she single-handedly saved people as well, everyone did what they could do.

I didn't say that she's evil but her motivations and actions are keeping her on the borderline of being a villain. A villain isn't necessarily evil as well, many turn out that way just because they did what's required of their self-interest. Say, if the queen would say to her: "I'll have Layfon matched with you and you two will live in a palace all your life, just don't oppose me destroying Czellni", how would she reply? Can you tell me that she'd refuse for sure?

As for Nina, she led the squad and fought to the best of her abilities, (which includes going out there and putting your life on the line, not playing 'walkie talkie' safe back up there) trying to improve herself at every opportunity. She's not content with just doing her part, she goes beyond the line of duty at every opportunity, without ulterior motives. Just show me another person except her that fought to the brink of death to protect the city and its people. Arguably only Layfon, then again he always outclassed the opposition.
Now where have we read all this before? :heh: Perhaps it's wise just to agree to disagree. I can't say pitting the girls against each other makes for a very inspiring discussion, but if you want to talk it out further, why not move to the respective character threads at least, and let the episode thread get back on track? :p
Yeah, true enough as it's already devolving into that. It's he that started this though! :heh:

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 12:28
Leerin herself saw that goat and how badly it affected Nina, she herself says she was worried after how Nina disappeared that suddenly. What you're saying further proves her lack of knowledge about the matter.

You forgot that the bird had told her the remedies, pray for Saya to appear. You think she won’t do the same when the same accident occur? I think she will.

You're making one big presumption here. Leerin knows that a goat possessed Nina, yet does nothing about it and moreover, she doesn't even show the least bit of interest in the matter even though she gets along well with Nina and cares for her. Nothing would be prevented, it's not like she was going to extract the goat without harming her before a third party intervenes forcefully.

She did show interest when he talked to Layfon, she knew what happens in Myath but because Nina kept quite she thought everything was fine. But facts stated otherwise. All because of Nina hiding her secret.

How many times would she need to repeat ep 5's deed to prove her selfishness to you? She goes against orders whenever Layfon is concerned, up till this ep. She didn't do what she did to save people. And it's not like she single-handedly saved people as well, everyone did what they could do.

Before ep 7 everyone the squad are bums. Nina still being emo, Sharnid goofing around, and Felli being selfish. Ep 7 is the turning point of the 17th. She didn’t singlehandedly save the town in ep 5, it’s both her and Layfon who did the job.

I didn't say that she's evil but her motivations and actions are keeping her on the borderline of being a villain. A villain isn't necessarily evil as well, many turn out that way just because they did what's required of their self-interest. Say, if the queen would say to her: "I'll have Layfon matched with you and you two will live in a palace all your life, just don't oppose me destroying Czellni", how would she reply? Can you tell me that she'd refuse for sure?


As for Nina, she led the squad and fought to the best of her abilities, (which includes going out there and putting your life on the line, not playing 'walkie talkie' safe back up there) trying to improve herself at every opportunity. She's not content with just doing her part, she goes beyond the line of duty at every opportunity, without ulterior motives.


You say her ‘actions’, then I say Felli did her job properly as a soldier from ep 7 onwards, saving people. And seriously, Nina’s feat is pale compared to Felli’s with the list I’ve posted prior. You can have a good intention, but if you don’t have the ability, all you have for yourself is being a burden to others. Such as Nina, making others worried sick, and even she realized she indeed suck in controlling the goat.

It's he that started this though!

I'm only expressing my thoughts at the first place. :heh:

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 13:01
You forgot that the bird had told her the remedies, pray for Saya to appear. You think she won’t do the same when the same accident occur? I think she will.
And maybe she'll do that in 23, we shall see.
She did show interest when he talked to Layfon, she knew what happens in Myath but because Nina kept quite she thought everything was fine. But facts stated otherwise. All because of Nina hiding her secret.
As you said above, Leerin wouldn't have done anything until that particular moment, so Nina keeping it a secret ultimately didn't make any difference. There's also the difference of Grendan and together with it, behemoth FM's arriving.

Another thing is that there's no harm done to anyone other than Nina so far, it may prove to be good for Czellni after all as she'll dispatch those FM's. We've yet to see if the goat-mode will do any harm to the city of her friends.
Before ep 7 everyone the squad are bums. Nina still being emo, Sharnid goofing around, and Felli being selfish. Ep 7 is the turning point of the 17th. She didn’t singlehandedly save the town in ep 5, it’s both her and Layfon who did the job.
Nina herself is the only reason the platoon survived that far without disbanding, the rest are bums though. And sure she didn't save it all herself but she went as far as losing her life trying to hold the line against all odds. Battles are won thanks to such people, whoever routs first loses.
You say her ‘actions’, then I say Felli did her job properly as a soldier from ep 7 onwards, saving people. And seriously, Nina’s feat is pale compared to Felli’s with the list I’ve posted prior. You can have a good intention, but if you don’t have the ability, all you have for yourself is being a burden to others. Such as Nina, making others worried sick, and even she realized she indeed suck in controlling the goat.

Nope, Felli did what she needed to stay on Layfon's good side. That's exactly what she did. It's no more noble than obeying the speed limit because you saw a patrol car on the side of the road.

Nina is doing her best, you know that not everyone can have ultimate power thanks to their genes. And she didn't want to have the goat in the first place.

TrueKnight
2009-06-09, 13:32
As you said above, Leerin wouldn't have done anything until that particular moment, so Nina keeping it a secret ultimately didn't make any difference. There's also the difference of Grendan and together with it, behemoth FM's arriving.

What I said above was she already figured the necessary remedy. Why she couldn’t use the remedy beforehand was because Nina’s keeping the secret hidden. The team knew she was keeping something but didn’t know what. They all know there’s a problem with her, but because of her hiding the source, then everyone thought its fine. Except Felli and Leerin.

Another thing is that there's no harm done to anyone other than Nina so far, it may prove to be good for Czellni after all as she'll dispatch those FM's. We've yet to see if the goat-mode will do any harm to the city of her friends.

Well aside from the trouble and worrying fiasco she’s given to her squad, I agree.

Nina herself is the only reason the platoon survived that far without disbanding, the rest are bums though. And sure she didn't save it all herself but she went as far as losing her life trying to hold the line against all odds. Battles are won thanks to such people, whoever routs first loses.

In ep 5 case, who ever stays back then becomes bug food, with the exception of Layfon and Felli. And seriously the rest including Nina prior ep 7 were bums.

Nope, Felli did what she needed to stay on Layfon's good side. That's exactly what she did. It's no more noble than obeying the speed limit because you saw a patrol car on the side of the road.

Compared to what Nina had done to Zuellni, in terms of overall usefulness, Felli is definitely higher.

Nina is doing her best, you know that not everyone can have ultimate power thanks to their genes. And she didn't want to have the goat in the first place.

Doing your best with good attention without the necessary power is moot because you ended up being a liability. Example shown is Nina.

…….I’m kinda tired bashing Nina all the time so I’m going to mention a positive thing on her for a change.

Nina didn’t have the natural born gifts like Layfon and Felli, but she have however, the authority to control and utilize them with her position as a platoon captain. Nina’s lawfully good behavior had somehow affected her squad. Nina already has Layfon in full control and check, where Layfon intends to ‘survive’ in a lawfully ‘good’ way instead ‘bad’. If you control Layfon, then basically you’ll manage indirectly to influence Felli, seeing she’d only listen to him.

In short, Nina’s the one capable of making Layfon and to some degree, though indirectly, Felli; manage to do some the good feats mentioned before.

Uhhh there's a bunch more positive stuffs, but this'll do for now I guess.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-09, 14:00
Well, we returned back to the old discussion so I guess it's best to call it a disagreement like we did back then. We have quite drastic differences in valuing and judging characters' actions and motivations. So I sheathe my dites to stop the derailing of the thread. :p

Still, thanks for writing that last part, as I had asked back then but couldn't get my answer. It eventually is here. :heh:

Patriot's Blade
2009-06-10, 07:41
oh, c-mon! Layfon!, where are the H-scenes, oh wait, that would make him look more evil! :naughty:

& why did Leerin forget to give Lays his uber upgrade h4xx machine?, despite its directly under his bed?, or is there a reason about it?.

justinstrife
2009-06-10, 10:37
Finally watched the sub. Outside of Savaris, I'm losing interest in this show fast. Gave the episode a 6.

Slick_rick
2009-06-10, 10:58
So in this episode Layfon admits he has a bit of a hero complex. He could have found a different way to live/protect the people he cares about but he enjoys taking the risk/responsibility on himself. It really amazes me how similar Layfon and Nina truly are on many levels. I think they were meant for each other.:)

black_cat1
2009-06-10, 11:06
I think they're not that similar. Layfon take the risk cause he want to protect his friend, Nina take it just because her own thought about justice and responsibility.

Slick_rick
2009-06-10, 11:28
I think they're not that similar. Layfon take the risk cause he want to protect his friend, Nina take it just because her own thought about justice and responsibility.

I think its been stated many times that her primary reasoning is to protect Zuellni which would certainly be similar to his protect his friends. Remember what she said to him earlier that the reason for gaining power was to protect the things important to a person. She has a sense of justice and responsibility that Layfon lacks but he is starting to come around more to her way of thinking or at least appreciate it.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-10, 11:55
Not sure if Layfon is that interested in protecting the city, but he certainly puts his best effort for his friends and thus, where they reside in, that being the city. Nina's list is a lot longer: friends, fairies, cities, people and duty. I'd say Layfon is more of a chaotic good nature whereas Nina is lawful good. That's why they had a conflict back at ep 9. Layfon evolved from chaotic neutral after coming to Czellni though, whereas Nina is at times willing to pass over to neutral good, as seen in Dinn story. That's why they seem more compatible in their ideas now.

By the way, I noticed a trend that whenever Nina leans to lawful neutral for some certain decisions, she gets criticisms all over. However I find that an enriching aspect of the character: She'll visit those adjacent neutral sides based on the situation and it'll alternate based on the situation challenging her priorities.

germanturkey
2009-06-10, 19:09
^^ your nina glasses are on pretty tight huh..

Ultramarinus
2009-06-10, 19:18
Some crave for moe, some crave for intriguing characters. :rolleyes:

justinstrife
2009-06-11, 00:11
Some crave for moe, some crave for intriguing characters. :rolleyes:

What part of Nina is interesting? :rolleyes:

monir
2009-06-11, 02:56
What part of Nina is interesting? :rolleyes:

If I may, she is HAWT! *recalls the hospital-bed scene with Nina lying down with her bare back in full view.* She is got a pet goat that refuses to leave her innards. Once again... hawt!!!! She is very intelligent. Remember how she snubbed Naruki who was going to utilize the gang for her own motif without coming clean which involved Din-Din? She is shrewd! Idealistic. One needs to think enough about others to have any form ideal. She is quite interesting. Well, may be not as Felli... but hey... not everyone can kick a light-pole and still manage to appear so adorable. Just look at her.

A kiss on the cheek is really nothing to brun whole ships...especially if Layfon's thoughts are focused on another girl:)
Too late. I've burned my ship already. My reasoning was that the indifferent Layfon's who has been as such toward all these willing ladies, now suddenly initiates a kiss of his own.. (granted, a peck on the cheek) is nothing less than extra-ordinary.


He has got to be allergic to girls or something to not kiss a childhood friend on the cheek. :p
It's not the allergic reaction. The reason Layfon doesn't kiss girls because of the well know fact that the girls have cooties. And yet, he risked his health. I'm convinced. I'm all aboard on this ship.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-11, 06:17
What part of Nina is interesting? :rolleyes:

Among all of the characters who either:

- play Tokyo high-school queen (certain someone :rolleyes: )
- play Tokyo high-school bum (another certain someone)
- play random Tokyo high-schooler (certain several people)
- are in it for showing off (another certain people)
- just try to do enough to barely survive (pretty much everyone else)

in mind you, a wasteland that would make Fallout games' post-nuke wasteland look like a shopping mall with child parks, Nina is in it for her ideals. And those ideals happen to be as noble as it gets. Furthermore, she plays it by the book but still is flexible enough to not be a one-dimensional stereotype, thinks out of the box based on the situation. See post #141. (the example listing I'd do in her character thread to not start another derail, if you'd ask for) Aside from liking her character, this also intrigues me.

justinstrife
2009-06-11, 10:41
Among all of the characters who either:

- play Tokyo high-school queen (certain someone :rolleyes: )
- play Tokyo high-school bum (another certain someone)
- play random Tokyo high-schooler (certain several people)
- are in it for showing off (another certain people)
- just try to do enough to barely survive (pretty much everyone else)

in mind you, a wasteland that would make Fallout games' post-nuke wasteland look like a shopping mall with child parks, Nina is in it for her ideals. And those ideals happen to be as noble as it gets. Furthermore, she plays it by the book but still is flexible enough to not be a one-dimensional stereotype, thinks out of the box based on the situation. See post #141. (the example listing I'd do in her character thread to not start another derail, if you'd ask for) Aside from liking her character, this also intrigues me.
Monir had a more accurate description with the goat-chan.

She's as un-interesting to me as mei, felli, leerin, etc. She's the biggest hypocrite in the story. If that makes her interesting to you, knock yourself out.

What I want to know more about is the Queen. Just how old is she? :heh:

satomianzaki
2009-06-11, 11:09
Maybe Nina is an intimidating character to some...most especially among the male species? i think they like girls that are sweet, helpless, needy, etc etc...well of course not all of them...

but Nina certainly is not like that (well haven't seen the other side of her) and she's more like independent and maybe doesn't need a man...

i'm not amazed by the other girls in csr, seems like they're very common...
its good though that they have female leads like Nina since i certainly like her strength and personality...

:)

Ultramarinus
2009-06-11, 11:28
She's as un-interesting to me as mei, felli, leerin, etc. She's the biggest hypocrite in the story. If that makes her interesting to you, knock yourself out.
Looks like you haven't even read what I wrote, so I ultimately go back to what I said at #143.
Maybe Nina is an intimidating character to some...most especially among the male species? i think they like girls that are sweet, helpless, needy, etc etc...well of course not all of them...

but Nina certainly is not like that (well haven't seen the other side of her) and she's more like independent and maybe doesn't need a man...

i'm not amazed by the other girls in csr, seems like they're very common...
its good though that they have female leads like Nina since i certainly like her strength and personality...

:)
Heh, male here and I get bored with female 'accessories' on lead male's arm. If I'm watching an action orientated show, I want to see some people that can kick stuff by themselves. No matter if they're woman, old, child or cripple. We're getting stuffed with damsels in distress for millenniums now, it got old back in Helen of Troy's time. Athena's story is by far more interesting to me and it's not done millions of times! :heh:

Sinestra
2009-06-11, 13:38
I dont mind Nina i just dont pay as much attention to her as the others thats probably why and i dont find her completely uninteresting but she does sometimes bore me with her antics because its like watching NASCAR we just keep going in circles. But im actually enjoying the whole aspect of her being possessed by Goat-chan

justinstrife
2009-06-11, 20:12
Maybe Nina is an intimidating character to some...most especially among the male species? i think they like girls that are sweet, helpless, needy, etc etc...well of course not all of them...

but Nina certainly is not like that (well haven't seen the other side of her) and she's more like independent and maybe doesn't need a man...

i'm not amazed by the other girls in csr, seems like they're very common...
its good though that they have female leads like Nina since i certainly like her strength and personality...

:)I like strong female characters. Priss from Bubble Gum Crisis for starters. She was my favorite character in the show by far.

Tokiko from Busou Renkin. :p

I like strong women. I prefer strong women(why I like Naruki). However that is not the only trait that I am attracted to.

Nina has almost no traits that I'm attracted to, can relate to, or can ever enjoy. There's more than a few characters like her in anime I've always disliked. There's no intimidation for me. She gave a bad first impression for me, and then kept going with it time and time again.

You can justify your liking her all you want, but don't be shocked that others don't like her, and for different reasons as well.

Looks like you haven't even read what I wrote, so I ultimately go back to what I said at #143.I read your very short post. She's not intriguing to me. She's not interesting. She's not moe. She's not sexy. She's not trusting. She's a bi#%@ who forces her ideals on other people.

Moe would be Felli. Intriguing would be the queen. Interesting would be the other HBers that we've seen almost nothing of.

Ultramarinus
2009-06-11, 22:14
I like Naruki as well, but yeah, being strong is only one thing. It doesn't warrant me liking a character in any case by itself, but more like a groundwork for getting attached if I come to like the personality. Based on the personality, I can easily detest it just as well.

This above paragraph I felt the need to write because I had commented on that post as well.

I could write a way longer message, deducting those I wrote from the list of examples from the anime, but it's not really the thread for that and I doubt that it would have any effect on such a strong opinion anyway. Yet I found that I can counter most of the criticisms aimed at her, so I still could do it on the relevant thread if you'd like though, let me know if you're interested.

I don't get the idea of moe and probably never will, so Felli is just the clueless character of the show for me. The queen's constantly shadowed by the curtains of the plot so her character cannot be properly evaluated yet, most of her screen-time went into acting as well. (mind you, so far she's leaning towards the 'strong characters that I hate' camp) Though I for one can't say interesting for people that I barely saw their faces and heard a single one-liner at most. Maybe they will be, doubtful that two episodes will be enough to see that.

Some other characters I found interesting or intriguing are there, but not those Grendan people we barely got to see. In fact, they aren't really kicking ass. So yeah, being strong by itself only takes so far.

TrueKnight
2009-06-11, 23:04
Well I like strong female characters like
Lara Croft, Rogue and other. But I don't like annoying ones like Nina to some extent. Unfortunately right now her character is crappy to me. Meh. Well that's me.

Tjaard
2009-06-12, 07:08
Well, pretty happy for the story because is always good, but i'm sad too because they cut the I.Match and now change the novel part for the ending of this season (and this surely isn't a good thing if you think for a next season).
However see more Nina is always good so i hope for 2 good final epi xDD

zibi88
2009-06-12, 07:18
well for a second season they skipped so much stuff from novel... that they could use it for next season....... well lately like I heared they change the development compared to the novel..... they took other way... so I doubt that they will make another season of this....... I would rather say that they will make open ending with alternative anime ending

I mean they will do now that huge battle... in last episode leerin will give layfon his sword.... layfon will show all his power the battle will end.... maybe queen will allow layfon to return to greandan along with Leerin (layfon again a 12th HB but this time his world perspective is different comapred to last one)..... maybe Felli and Nina will tag along (since no idea how long that old nen grandma can live XD and so felli could take her place.....)

So it might end up like D.Gray-man anime..... after a big fight (current final fight) the main character tells that many fights are waiting for him but he wont give up and continue the fight....... here will be maybe something similar..... after a big fight Layfon and co. say that they wont give up and will keep up at liveing in this world....

but what if it ended up with Layfon takeing the haikizoku inside himself (like the goat first has planed) and the same he will have to return to grendan (becouse of the goat ^^ and too take back his 12th HB seat ^^)

maybe in the last episode Layfon and Leerin will show their powers together ^^ well I'm talking about Layfon returning to Grendan becouse the OP kinda shows that Layfon and his team kinda disappears into Grendan city (after that fight) ^^

time will show...... anyway maybe tommarow or sunday we will get few spoiler pictures to see what will happen ^^ but I will say it will be like open ending similar to elfen lied or dgm.... we know that they will fight the monsters since they live in this world.... it wont be like after this fight world is saved End ^^ but I doubt that they will make another season now >__< too many stuff skipped...

satomianzaki
2009-06-12, 12:17
You can justify your liking her all you want, but don't be shocked that others don't like her, and for different reasons as well.



am shocked at first but have gotten used to it...since its really nina that is the most hated female character in csr especially the earlier parts of the series...

but i kinda understand your way of disliking nina...i, too, hated some of the anime characters i watched before, to the point that i lost interest in watching the anime itself...but i guess you can still tolerate her existence in this anime...so i think its still good...

as the saying goes, you can't please everybody...and certainly you can't make all people like you...really applies to all characters since some will hate them and some will like them...but i'm really contented on nina's role in csr...am really fine and happy with it...



we know that they will fight the monsters since they live in this world.... it wont be like after this fight world is saved End ^^ but I doubt that they will make another season now >__< too many stuff skipped...



in one of the presepe's pages, it says there (google translated...followed your advice before... :D):

"The SSU NORAJI REGIOSU Us! 』DJCD第2弾 発売決定! DJCD's decision to release the second series! 2009年9月18日発売予定! 2009 September 18 release date!"

...but am really not sure of they referring to a second season or what...:)

zibi88
2009-06-12, 13:58
in one of the presepe's pages, it says there (google translated...followed your advice before... :D):

"The SSU NORAJI REGIOSU Us! 』DJCD第2弾 発売決定! DJCD's decision to release the second series! 2009年9月18日発売予定! 2009 September 18 release date!"

...but am really not sure of they referring to a second season or what...:)

DJCD's is rather reffering to another music CD.... so I assume they want to release another music CD ^^ (time will show but I doubt they would make second season so fast >__> ) in my opinion they made anime to increase sell of novels, music, figures and stuff releated :P

germanturkey
2009-06-12, 16:02
back again to jump into this.. Nina is hypocritical because she doesn't accept Layfon's values of do anything to live, yet she keeps her closet ideology of do anything to save the city to herself. and frankly, she annoys me as a character. lets take a look at her character progression through the series.

fairly weak platoon member, more bronze than brains, yet not too much bronze either.
layfon arrives, "holy shits" at his strength. Finds out she's an ant compared to him.
17th starts to win. misconception that she assumes she's growing stronger.
17th fights without Layfon. finds out she's still weak.
finds out what happened to Din/why he did what he did. criticizes him for it.
same thing happens to her. she keeps it to herself/accepts it.

i just hope next ep we see that the goat power isn't as strong as we think it is, and she ends up needing to be saved by Layfon again. (which probably will happen..)

azarhal
2009-06-12, 16:30
I think the Nina discussion should be moved to her thread. I'm going to post my response to germanturkey post there.

Slick_rick
2009-06-12, 16:41
back again to jump into this.. Nina is hypocritical because she doesn't accept Layfon's values of do anything to live, yet she keeps her closet ideology of do anything to save the city to herself. and frankly, she annoys me as a character. lets take a look at her character progression through the series.

You're wrong. She wouldn't do anything to save the city. She would certainly risk her life in defense of the city but its certainly not the same as what Layfon did. It's hypocritical of her for disagreeing with him for doing illegal and amoral acts to "live". Also note she knew nothing about the orphanage at the time. Even Layfon in this episode admits he had others opinions instead of the path he followed. Nina would have certainly taken a different way.

fairly weak platoon member, more bronze than brains, yet not too much bronze either.
layfon arrives, "holy shits" at his strength. Finds out she's an ant compared to him.
17th starts to win. misconception that she assumes she's growing stronger.
17th fights without Layfon. finds out she's still weak.

I don't necessarily disagree with these points but I don't see what they prove. Nina isn't perfect but that's the way I like her. She still no matter what keeps pushing forward.

finds out what happened to Din/why he did what he did. criticizes him for it.

She tried to convince him to stop and even alerted him that his was being investigated. He just didn't want to listen or change his course.

same thing happens to her. she keeps it to herself/accepts it.

I don't know how it's the same thing. She wasn't looking for an illegal way to get stronger, the goat forced himself into her. It wasn't her choice. She keeps it to herself because she scared and worried she'll end up like poor Din. I think she'd be much happier with the goat inside her, don't you?


i just hope next ep we see that the goat power isn't as strong as we think it is, and she ends up needing to be saved by Layfon again. (which probably will happen..)

Maybe that will happen but Nina is already the one who saved Layfon when he wanted to hide from his past and avoid fighting. He's more at peace with his past and himself now because of Nina.

satomianzaki
2009-06-12, 22:30
DJCD's is rather reffering to another music CD.... so I assume they want to release another music CD ^^ (time will show but I doubt they would make second season so fast >__> ) in my opinion they made anime to increase sell of novels, music, figures and stuff releated :P


ah...yeah...so they're referring to the music? again? i thought they already relased the 02 ost? hehe..anyways thanks for the clarification...

:)

Von Himmel
2009-06-12, 22:49
What I want to know more about is the Queen. Just how old is she?
It's best not to ask women about their age :( Who knows what she'll do to you if she heard this o.o; lol j/k

just watched this episode today. Damn, after all the tests that's been seriously giving me a hard time this week, I finally can watch it. This episode build up some emotion for the next episode. I demand more action for the next episode !

And wow, [Dying Slave] huh ? :(

Estaron
2009-06-14, 10:27
>Dying Slave
actually we don't know what it was supposed to be... sorry if it's wrong!
I'm starting to think it's Dáinsleif...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1insleif