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Klashikari
2009-08-05, 11:58
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Klashikari
2009-08-05, 12:03
For those who are wondering: as expected, there wasn't any "tsurupettan", and the "song" used for this scene was... weird and extremely repetitive :heh:
I would say this episode shows nicely how DEEN use a better pace and with cuts that don't disrupt much (should earn a 8-9, depends after a proper raw).
Major props for Ohara to sound very different here (it would be beyond contrived if she used the same tone as the tea party). And the design quality is much better (Beatrice's neck is less exaggerated, but her eyes are finally normal, not so squinted :heh:)
Final note: super emo Kanon :heh:
Episode 2-1: screencaps, summary and comments (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/umineko-no-naku-koro-ni-episode-2-1-middle-game/)
Dokkyun Dokkyun... :heh::heh::heh::heh:
As promised in preview, it indeed was DENPA song prepared just for her :heh:
Well, I knew Turupettan wouldn't really be an option, so it's reasonable outcome I guess.
Addendum:
I saw "TOMITAKE FLASH" too... well, I wouldn't mind such fan services. :rolleyes:
The pacing shows promise for the rest of the arc.
A bit rushed, but they had to if they wanted to fit the whole thing in just one episode though.
I didn't like the dokkyun thing, tsuruppettan was better.
The episode was quite good in general, I missed the mirror part because a bad connection. They showed Jessica's asthma and her knuckle, so they made up for some things they left.
The pace was good and it was fine overall, but after last episode, it doesn't seem that good, but maybe after a better raw it will be better.
vandakiara
2009-08-05, 12:11
does anyone have the 2chan link plz?
momobunny
2009-08-05, 12:11
If they don't play Tsurupettan, then why is Silver Forest credited in the credits? That's the only song they made that was put in the game. o.o
Volcanic
2009-08-05, 12:12
does anyone have the 2chan link plz?
Just what I was about to say, haha.
No Turupettan, huh? Drat. At least the rest of the episode looks good.
If they don't play Tsurupettan, then why is Silver Forest credited in the credits? That's the only song they made that was put in the game. o.o
Maybe they made this new song.
vandakiara
2009-08-05, 12:12
If they don't play Tsurupettan, then why is Silver Forest credited in the credits? That's the only song they made that was put in the game. o.o
maybe he was the one who made DENPA as well? :uhoh:
Here you go.
http://dec.2chan.net/18/res/9136273.htm
June 1983
2009-08-05, 12:19
Oooh, did they actually replace the Beatrice portrait in the OP with the second portrait?
Volcanic
2009-08-05, 12:20
http://dec.2chan.net:81/18/src/1249490275390.jpg
Nice to see they used the second Portrait, lol.
Maybe they made this new song.Nope, according to staff roll, composer is DY-T; google says that person also did some of character songs in Highrashi...?
Well, correct me if I'm wrong.
The reason Silver Forest is there is presumably anime simply choose to put everyone on staff roll, whether anime used their song or not.
I heard that there's other VN composer on list too, despite his song not being used in anime.
bigemperor
2009-08-05, 12:21
Oooh, did they actually replace the Beatrice portrait in the OP with the second portrait?
Exactly :love:
very nice episode.
Volcanic
2009-08-05, 12:23
Final note: super emo Kanon :heh:
The emo kid song started playing in my head when I saw the screenshots, lol. The Black Coat really helps! :heh:
Emo Kanon! Yay~ let's celebrate...wait no...That little worm...I will hate him in todays episode since my favorite is Jessi-sama~ and that little worm will make her cry in today's episode...argh
Volcanic
2009-08-05, 12:36
wait no...That little worm...I will hate him in todays episode since my favorite is Jessi-sama~ and that little worm will make her cry in today's episode...argh
Now Kitsu, EVERY good love story involves the main male character making the main female character cry! xD
Also, even though Eva is my favorite of the mothers this episode is going to make me want to ROKKENJIMA RAGE at her. (Poor Shannon...)
Now Kitsu, EVERY good love story involves the main male character making the main female character cry! xD
Well normally I can't stand good love storys female and male leads...cause both are just annoying to me but I kinda...Jessi-sama is one of my favorites!! THAT LITTLE WORM SHOULD PAY!! *rage*
now back to the topic. What BGM did they actually play in this episode?
Beatrice looked sooo much better this week. Hopefully it continues. Good episode. This arc is much better so far then the first one.
Miraluka
2009-08-05, 15:02
Ohohoho!
Finally starts the 2nd arc... but no Tsurupettan -_-U
Well, the Beatrice eyes finally come back to the normal.
BTW, this ep was good not better than the previous one but good.
...
XD http://dec.2chan.net:81/18/src/1249491072166.jpg
I think I finally know what bothered me the most about Beatrice's design last week. Sometimes she looked really good, but sometimes she was absolutely hideous. It wasn't the slanted eyes or the giraffe neck, but the fact that her nose had been reduced to two tiny dots, completing throwing her face out of proportion.
Saerianne
2009-08-05, 15:24
Buffering now, will watch after school once again and post opinions.
vandakiara
2009-08-05, 15:35
I only noticed it now... in the screens...
mitte:
http://darenome.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/1249491261098.jpg
why is beato's dress all brown? the red part is missing T_T
TsundereCake
2009-08-05, 15:41
^Evil coloring error o_O!!
Finished up the raw.
General:
-Pacing: Pacing was a bit quick for the first half, but once they got to Shannon and Beatrice meeting by the portrait it slowed down a bit. Not nearly as good as last episode's pacing, but not bad like episode 1 or 2's pacing.
-Music: NO TSURUPETTAN RAAAAAAAGE Good amount of BGMs were used. A bit sad that they didn't use pass, but it was all good.
-Voices: Loved Ohara (Beato) and Kobayashi (Kanon) in this episode. Kugimiya (Shannon) sounded a little high-pitched at times, mostly during the talk by the portrait, but her "Beatoriche-sama" scream was good (although I thought it sounded better in the drama cd, but whatever)
Pros:
-I can count the things they cut on one hand. That's a good sign. For those curious they cut:
*Jessica having dinner with her parents, which happened before talking with Kanon at the arbor.
*Kanon disturbing Shannon's tea party with Beatrice by the beach (not that the following scene didn't serve the purpose of what happened anyway)
*Shannon and George going to the beach during their date.
*Kanon seeing Kinzo in the garden, ranting about love and magic.
There were more reduced time scenes than cut scenes, so all good.
-Beatrice's face looked normal and not so spread apart.
-Jessica's little outburst about wanting a boyfriend was hilarious and they added in her asthma. Her faces were just amazing too and the beating up on her classmates~
-Not nearly as much fanservice as usual. Thank god.
-TOMITAKE FLASSSH <3
Cons:
-NO TSURUPETTAN RAAAAAAAGE. Not that the other song wasn't good or anything but still ;_____;! I loved Tsuprettan cause of it's ironnyy (Jessica singing about flat-chest when she's a D-cup lol whut)
-Eva's scene with telling off Shannon made her come off more evil than conniving. Originally she came in all happy-go lucky and was even joking with the girls about Hideyoshi. The way she came off to Shannon this time made her seem more like "Oh I know you like George, but no way in hell you gettin him" rather than "I know how you look at my son, but don't but in because you're a lousy servant." The fact that Eva even wore a sweet smile when she said that to Shannon, which made Jessica think it was probably a love story secret, made her more shrewd. I just feel like the impact was lost.
-Jessica came out to be more of a jerk with her half-hearted apology to Shannon when they bumped into each other like that :/
Overall:
Good episode. It has some faults, but it's good nonetheless. I also like how they changed the portrait for the opening, to signal a new arc. Very clever.
I give it an 8/10.
Now excuse me while I go to my emo corner to rage about no Tsurupettan....
DAMMIT.
http://i29.tinypic.com/swr392.png
I hate you Kanon.
IT'S CALLED TSURUPETTAN!! MARION!! CHANGE IT! !! NOOOOOOOWWWW!!!
but nice picture...
And Kanon can die in a pit....that little bastard...YOU DON'T SAY THAT TO A GIRL!! YOU MADE JESSI CRY! YOU BASTARD! *rage* I hate him now even more as in the VN (just in that moment...I'll forgive him the next few episodes)
But really Jessi was so awesome this episode
Volcanic
2009-08-05, 15:46
http://i28.tinypic.com/b8w8yb.png
I hate you Kanon.
Even though I adore Kanon, you're still getting repped for that. xD
Gonna watch the RAW now.
IT'S CALLED TSURUPETTAN!! MARION!! CHANGE IT! !! NOOOOOOOWWWW!!!
but nice picture...
And Kanon can die in a pit....that little bastard...YOU DON'T SAY THAT TO A GIRL!! YOU MADE JESSI CRY! YOU BASTARD! *rage* I hate him now even more
But really Jessi was so awesome this episode
Calm yourself XD
Now you changed it to Tsuruprettan >_>
It's Tsurupettan! D:
Calm yourself XD
I am so annoyed by emo boy and hat strange dokkyun whatever...still great episode (let's say good)
*twitchs*
I want ma tsurupettan
Edit. Ehehehe Marion you will never be able to write tsurupettan correctly will you xDD
I am so annoyed by emo boy and hat starnge dokkyun whatever...still great episode (let's say good)
*twitchs*
I want ma tsurupettan
Edit. Ehehehe Marion you will never be able to write tsurupettan correctly will you xDD
I like it with the r better shush
Shhhh >_>
MayumiHime
2009-08-05, 15:53
DOKKYUN DOKKYUN~
It still doesn't fit. e_e I had the feeling that Jessica wasn't singing.
Tsurupettan ftw~
I'll wait for the subs before I make any rating on this episode. But I think it will be a 8/10. ^^;
Maybe I'll add some text tomorrow, but I'm very lazy and I'll go to sleep now. C:
DOKKYUN DOKKYUN~
*twitch* Mayumi~ *twitch*
Well I'll start a more serious review~
Pros:
-The pacing was really good
-The music was good 'cept...you know what bugs me
-Beatrice's voice is still awesomness
-Kanon's voice improved (I just got teh feeling it did)
-Jessica's expression were so amusing
-school festival was nice and lighthearted...'cept for Emo-Kanon
Cons:
-You know it...starts with tsuru and ends with pettan was missing
-Size of the characters, it doesn't make sense!!
-Akward animation and a few errors
-Emo kanon...seriously cheer up and heal you color blindness the sea was blue you idiot
-Eva's whispering that was loud o.O
On the whole it might be a 7/10 or 8/10
And did I mention that Jessica looked a lot cuter in this episode? Normally her face seemed rather..odd shaped sometimes..but especially in the marisa cosplay she looked better
Edit: MARION! FINALLY! You wrote it correctly!!
Saerianne
2009-08-05, 16:06
LOL they forgot to colour Beato's top in.
Anyway, I finished it in time. Thank god Beato's voice softened. <3 Will post more later.
Katsu Koneko
2009-08-05, 16:17
I thought it was a good episode. ^^ Loved the Jessica faces.
Natsuhi telling Shannon to clean the portrait and she won't get any food until she finishes.
I thought it was a good episode. ^^ Loved the Jessica faces.
Natsuhi telling Shannon to clean the portrait and she won't get any food until she finishes.
Yup! And that Kanon came shortly after the scolding and both of tehm talked for a while and then Shannon "send him away"
The way she came off to Shannon this time made her seem more like "Oh I know you like George, but no way in hell you gettin him" rather than "I know how you look at my son, but don't but in because you're a lousy servant." The fact that Eva even wore a sweet smile when she said that to Shannon, which made Jessica think it was probably a love story secret, made her more shrewd. I just feel like the impact was lost.
I thought that was the point, to show how evil she can be - I didn't view it as conniving at all during the game, just plain nasty.
I thought that was the point, to show how evil she can be - I didn't view it as conniving at all during the game, just plain nasty.
Whole thing is when she approached them she was just telling George that he had to go inside to meet with Kinzo and what not. When she talked about the marriage thing she didn't have any type of evil mean look about it, like she had when talking in the anime. Only time you thought she was being mean was when she talked to Shannon. But the anime made it look like Eva only came down just to bad talk Shannon, with that foreboding look, which only makes her look more evil and bitchy than shrew and conniving.
ameskitty
2009-08-05, 16:46
Felt a little skim, but for once the cuts were actually well-directed ;). Probably 8, but I'll wait for subs to clarify one or two things and get me a rewatch.
Pros:
* BEATORIICCHHHEE-SAMA
* Even though they cut one of my favorite scenes (Shannon getting "revenge" by teasing Jessica), they replaced it with even cuter Cupid-Shannon lines. "Milady, you like somebody, don't you?" :3
* Moon BGM remix = love
* SD Jessica faces
* BRONZE KNUCKLES
* Smooth pacing
* Again, in general it felt kind of skim, but I liked the way they did the cuts and I knew it was unavoidable.
Cons:
* Kanon was excessively emo. I love emo-Kanon and all, but...yeah.
* Evil DEEN got my hopes up for tsurupettan with that preview :(. Actually not very surprised or upset, it's just that the replacement is kind of...eh. Strange would be the word.
Another cut (or maybe my ears are just stupid :heh:) - not a con at all just something I noticed:
* A certain theme phrase also present in the game OP
Deathkillz
2009-08-05, 16:47
I only noticed it now... in the screens...
mitte:
http://darenome.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/1249491261098.jpg
why is beato's dress all brown? the red part is missing T_T
Suddenly, her face looks WAY better than it was before. Hurray :rolleyes:
And the screams of "NO PETTAN!" is saddening. And here I was hoping that they would include it since they fricking cosplayed as touhous. FF >.>
But I've been hearing good things about this ep. Can't wait to watch it :)
I just noticed something, it was present in the VN as well
"Kanon-kun is still just a child" or something...no wonder I thought Shannon was older...I mean calling someone the same age as herself a child is rather strange
About room and stuff
Oh and I'm happy that we got a first shot of the room in which Shannon lives..rater sad and plain..and who lives with her in that room o.O Oh and Jessica's bed is still huge. in the second manga it was even bigger but still...it is huge. Sadly even her room looks rather empty. I thought it was discribed as really elegant and stuff. But her room really looked empty
Oh and about the time line. WOAH!
Everythign even the darn school festival takes place two years before the actual family conference. That's surprising and rather strange. I mean that Jessica still likes/loves (you choose) Kanon after two years of rejection. What a tough girl
Golden Witch Drugs
2009-08-05, 16:59
Oh I was soo dissapointed with this episode...
What I liked about it is that Shannon's seiyuu really pulls her voice of damn good:) And Beatrice's voice and design is much better in this episode. The Shannon-Beatrice tea scene was pretty cute but... Wasn't it supposed to be in the rose garden? Ah, whatever. B-but... N-no... TSURUPETTAN~!!!!! WAAAAAAAAH!!!!! Ehum... And... Kanon is Itachi!! No, no, no!! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!! And the flying-Beato scene looked quite... How to say... Strange...
Kanon is considered younger and Jessica is two years older than him so idk.
And no it didn't, Kitsu O_o The images of new times presented dates and years.
Shannon breaking the mirror - December 1985
Eva telling off Shannon, which happened before the mirror was broken - October 1984, most likely after the conference.
School Festival - August 1986
Waaah!! Sorry......I just seem to miss the date thing sorry..cause I only saw the 1894 sign in the episode..maybe I'm just blind. But the school festival can't be in August since it was in autumm like it was said in the VN
Shannon is 16, she went to work at 6 and worked there 10 years till know. Jessica is the same age as Battler who is 18. And Kanon was said in the beginning of the first game to be 16.
I know that, but Kanon has always been regarded as the younger of the two. He calls Shannon 'nee-san' and just acts a bit less maturely than Shannon does and of course is quick to anger at times (seriously, how many times did he get angry this one episode :heh: )
He gets angry all the time, remember last game (first game) he was killed by the stake of wrath. But to call someone who is the same age a child. I wouldn't go to my friends and call them children. But well Shannon always seemed the most mature from the children (except George maybe) a lot more mature than Jessica for sure. I'm still amazed how Jessica needs to look up to Kanon *shudder*
I'm tempted to say they paced this episode almost better than the VN paced this part. All they really cut were unimportant things, and sometimes other scenes showed almost the same thing.
Hopefully they only needed to rush the first Episode. Maybe it'll be a lot better pacing now.
8/10 from me on pure entertainment, but this was pretty much a 10/10 adaption wise.
Loss of Tsurupettan isn't that bad to me, and honestly don't know why people care >.>
Volcanic
2009-08-05, 17:13
Finished the RAW!
+ Beatrice was completely and utterly awesome in every which way.
+ Pacing was pretty good.
+ Jessica's friends were hilarious, xD
+ Tea Party is just win
+ You really see the bond Shannon and Kanon have here
+ Jessica's faces LOL
- Emo-Kanon. Sure he's kinda cool this way too, but...yeah
- They took out the George\Shannon beach scene, a favorite of mine
- Eva acted more bitchy than she was supposed to, which especially irks me because her bitchiness is one of her best traits :heh:
- NO TSURUPETTAN DARNNIT!
8\10 overall, had some faults but the good stuff made up for it.
luckyssol
2009-08-05, 17:17
Good episode, it ended about where I thought it would. A couple things:
-Shannon sounds too much like Nagi! :heh: (Mabye I should drop Hayate2 until Umineko is over) :p
-Beatrice's laughing face at the end was great. I see a lot of potential.
-Pacing is much slower for the start of this arc than the last one. That is fine but I wonder exactly how many episodes long it will be.
I'm tempted to say they paced this episode almost better than the VN paced this part. All they really cut were unimportant things, and sometimes other scenes showed almost the same thing.
Hopefully they only needed to rush the first Episode. Maybe it'll be a lot better pacing now.
8/10 from me on pure entertainment, but this was pretty much a 10/10 adaption wise.
Loss of Tsurupettan isn't that bad to me, and honestly don't know why people care >.>
B-But its tsurupettan ;w;
I mostly care because the song she did sing was very...generic sounding :P
Volcanic
2009-08-05, 17:19
B-But its tsuripettan ;w;
I mostly care because the song she did sing was very...generic sounding :P
Yeah...really, I like J-Pop, but this was REALLY generic. It's like they threw it together at the last minute :heh:
chronotrig
2009-08-05, 17:20
Considering what the anime had to work with, this was by far the best editing job they've done yet. Kind of a slow episode, but it does give us some very badly needed character background.
I give it an 8, 9-1 for that song...
I really don't mind taking Tsurupettan out, but when I actually find myself agreeing with Kanon's commentary, that's not a good thing:heh:
I really don't mind taking Tsurupettan out, but when I actually find myself agreeing with Kanon's commentary, that's not a good thing
Agreeing with emos is never a good thing.
But something positiv i just noticed after watching the episode again. There aren't so much "background-characters" that doesn't move and play bookshelf anymore. At least I didn't notice them...
O wait there is one at least and that's Krauss. But nothing that really stood out
Christen
2009-08-05, 17:24
I won't let the lack of Tsurupettan influence my review, because it'll get a maximum of 6 out of me if I do that. :heh:
But anyway, decent episode with proper cuts and pacing. I hope they still had the scene where Natsuhi scolds Shannon and the "Without love, it can't be seen" lines. Everything else is good. Beatrice's rape face made my day.
TsundereCake
2009-08-05, 17:44
Pretty awesome episode but..... DEEN stole Beato's fangs ;_;
chounokoe
2009-08-05, 17:50
Why is everyones view based on the fact that Tsurupettan of all things wasn't in the anime? It should have been clear from the start that it wouldn't.
But well, I shouldn't be one to talk, because I hate tsurupettan.
I don't care a bit for it being gone...there, I said it.
But well, I thought it was a really well done episode, possibly an 8 from me, because some stuff still felt less connected then in the VN, but that's an understandable part because they had to save some time somewhere, so yeah just one point lost (I almost never give 10's...I maybe did that like 3 or 4 times in my life).
I love Ohara's Beatrice, it's exactly how I imagined her, Kanon and Jessica went up on my acting scale, too. Just a bit sad, that the mirror-shattering didn't have the full impact the drama-cd had, because of time restraints, but it was still great.
Why is everyones view based on the fact that Tsurupettan of all things wasn't in the anime? It should have been clear from the start that it wouldn't.
But well, I shouldn't be one to talk, because I hate tsurupettan.
I don't care a bit for it being gone...there, I said it.
But well, I thought it was a really well done episode, possibly an 8 from me, because some stuff still felt less connected then in the VN, but that's an understandable part because they had to save some time somewhere, so yeah just one point lost (I almost never give 10's...I maybe did that like 3 or 4 times in my life).
I love Ohara's Beatrice, it's exactly how I imagined her, Kanon and Jessica went up on my acting scale, too. Just a bit sad, that the mirror-shattering didn't have the full impact the drama-cd had, because of time restraints, but it was still great.
My view isn't entirely based on it XD I think it's because Silver Forest was listed in the credits that we thought Tsurupettan would get in, as that's the only song they do for the entire series.
And yeah I never give 10's myself |D Rarely do you ever get something amazingly perfect that you can give it 10 imo.
Tsurupettan doesn't really fit Jessica. Maria, yes, Kanon if you think he'e really a girl, but not Jessica.
Maybe there will be another song later, or it was in the background at some point, like on the radio or something.
vandakiara
2009-08-05, 18:30
My view isn't entirely based on it XD I think it's because Silver Frost was listed in the credits that we thought Tsurupettan would get in, as that's the only song they do for the entire series.
And yeah I never give 10's myself |D Rarely do you ever get something amazingly perfect that you can give it 10 imo.
LOL Marion today's not your day is it? X'D :heh:
But yeah, that's true... I was disappointed as well because Silver Forest was credited so I was hoping for tsurupettan as well.... but it was a good episode overall... I'll rate it when I watch it with subs but from what I've seen in the RAW it's probably 8/10 because of that flaw on beato's dress AND because Jessica's song was indeed too generic...
OTL
I didn't sleep well. Forgive me.
helloayax
2009-08-05, 18:56
Right - just finished the raw. Restating what everyone said - Beatrice looked SO much better, thank GOD. ＾－＾ And - although I had already been exposed to the fact that Tsurupettan wasn't going to be used... the song they chose was a bit... :/ HOWEVER - Jessica's facial expressions were rather amusing, in my opinion, and the fact that George was wearing a "Tomitake Flash" shirt only made it better. Voice acting was excellent as usual... poor Shannon. I actually want to punch Eva in the face now, to put it quite frankly... -__- I noticed that they didn't color in the red on Beatrice's dress as well... which bugs me...
Anyways, I'm going to have to go with an 8/10, because although I rather enjoyed this episode, it certainly wasn't without it's flaws. (I hardly ever give 10's in the first place... perhaps it just depends on my mood...) And I'm well aware that I skipped around a TON on my review... probably because I'm too lazy to speculate every single detail of the episode at the moment. .__.
Oekitarts
2009-08-05, 19:02
Beato's trollface... is this a taste of what's to come?
Marisa Kirisame
2009-08-05, 19:04
Thoughts etc
The overall pace was ok, it could've been better but definitely not the worst we've seen.
Jessica is adorable beyond words in this episode.
Shannon is also nice, but her voice gets too high/loli-like at times.
Kannon have some massive mood-swings lol, but it's probably because I don't really remember what they are talking about.
Beatrice at the end was spot-on.
Ｉ actually liked how they changed Eva's lecture into a threat, it's kind of weird in the game how she spends like 10 minutes telling Shannon how she can't marry George blah blah blah...
Beato's trollface... is this a taste of what's to come?
Not at all, is only a character development of kanon jessica george and shannon, next episode will tell you what is going to come.
Volcanic
2009-08-05, 19:09
Beato's trollface... is this a taste of what's to come?
Dun Dun Dun! I have to applaud the animators-besides the dress!fail, the Beatrice looked epic beyond words, much better than the last episode.
Pretty great episode.
Am I the only one who's happy with the song? I mean, it sounded crappy, like it was supposed to. Thank god for no Tsurupettan.
vandakiara
2009-08-05, 19:42
Pretty great episode.
Am I the only one who's happy with the song? I mean, it sounded crappy, like it was supposed to. Thank god for no Tsurupettan.
supposed to? why?
luckyssol
2009-08-05, 19:47
(I almost never give 10's...I maybe did that like 3 or 4 times in my life).
And yeah I never give 10's myself |D Rarely do you ever get something amazingly perfect that you can give it 10 imo.
(I hardly ever give 10's in the first place... perhaps it just depends on my mood...)
Just thought I'd post my reasoning on giving 10s.
For me, if I enjoy watching an anime then it's a 10. I usually stay away from polls for this reason because I know all the hard work people put into making the anime. I couldn't give an anime I enjoyed watching less than a 10 knowing that, unless something really went wrong (endless eight for example). Everyone has their own opinions and I respect those. I understand if everyone voted like me then these polls would kind of be usless. :heh:
Anyway, this episode was great and viewers will better understand the relationship dynamics of this anime.
I hope no one sees this episode as a filler type thing though, because unlike most fillers it actually contributes a lot to the plot :P
Well since it seems to be filling in details and involves Beatrice, who to this point has been mostly absent, I can't see anyone thinking of this as filler. Especially if they don't know what is going on (how can one recognize "filler" if one does not know the plot?).
And since this is a "before everything happened" story, we don't have any sort of "wait their alive?" moments like Higurashi had following the first arc.
Marisa Kirisame
2009-08-05, 20:39
Well since it seems to be filling in details and involves Beatrice, who to this point has been mostly absent, I can't see anyone thinking of this as filler. Especially if they don't know what is going on (how can one recognize "filler" if one does not know the plot?).
And since this is a "before everything happened" story, we don't have any sort of "wait their alive?" moments like Higurashi had following the first arc.
That's because we already had a "wait they're alive?" moment last episode :heh:
Oekitarts
2009-08-05, 20:48
Hey, one thing I really liked about this episode...
...THE SHANNON DANCE!!!
(couldn't resist making this video.. XD)
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vandakiara
2009-08-05, 20:53
Hey, one thing I really liked about this episode...
...THE SHANNON DANCE!!!
(couldn't resist making this video.. XD)
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oh you're mean :heh::heh: poor shannon... I actually thought of that when I watched the episode :p
Mikachiru
2009-08-05, 20:54
Pretty great episode.
Am I the only one who's happy with the song? I mean, it sounded crappy, like it was supposed to. Thank god for no Tsurupettan.
The song was supposed to be crappy? When was that stated? I'm pretty sure the song was described as "colorful".:heh:
ffff Shannon Dance oh lol XD
Christen
2009-08-05, 20:58
Is there was anything I liked with the new song, it was the "USO DA! USO DA! USO DA! USO DA!" sequence.
supposed to? why?
The song was supposed to be crappy? When was that stated? I'm pretty sure the song was described as "colorful".:heh:
Kanon says it's 'bland sounding', which is what it was to me. Not impressive, but not really bad.
vandakiara
2009-08-05, 21:05
Kanon says it's 'bland sounding', which is what it was to me. Not impressive, but not really bad.
well if it's 'not really bad' then it isn't really supposed to be crappy is it? All I remembered was Kanon saying it was colourful... Which was a praise to me...:uhoh:
ameskitty
2009-08-05, 21:11
If I remember correctly he meant "more colorful" in the sense that it was shockingly different from the music he usually listened to (classical). And in the case of tsurupettan the lyrics were slightly, erm, questionable :heh:.
Not that he ever said anything bad about it.
serenade_beta
2009-08-05, 21:16
^Shannon Dance :heh::heh:
Reminds me of Kaiba's dance of the gods. :heh:
It was a good episode. Just a bunch of romance, so it wasn't so exciting though... Though character development is important, especially since the 1st part lacked that...
Shannon's voice doesn't fit after all... Well, I'm sure I'll get used to i- eh... I feel like I've said this before.......... Umm...~~?....
Witches can't exist --> Which means Shannon and Kanon are seeing illusions and talking to air --> Dangerous people --> ...It's time to go to the doctor, these two...
Touhou... :heh:
Ah-ah, you can't blame Kanon for feeling awkward and denying her confession after seeing that otaku show. (And song........). Rather, Kanon x Jessica, is it? Hmm...~
I've had this feeling ever since the breast dive loop during the sponsors a few episodes back, but the company making this is having their own fun with the anime, aren't they? This time with a MAD at the end... :heh:
Only the first part of the OP changed... (´・ω・｀)
Mikachiru
2009-08-05, 21:22
If I remember correctly he meant "more colorful" in the sense that it was shockingly different from the music he usually listened to (classical). And in the case of tsurupettan the lyrics were slightly, erm, questionable :heh:.
Not that he ever said anything bad about it.
I always thought being colorful was a good thing...:D
Tsurupettan was coined from two words (like man+bimbo= mimbo). What's the chances of Kanon figuring the meaning behind the japanese ver. of DFC??:heh:
ameskitty
2009-08-05, 21:50
Yeah, I didn't really say it was a bad thing :). I also meant the whole "today I'm going to sneak in the trees again and stalk Reimu" thing :heh:. But they sing inhumanely fast so he totally could've missed it ;).
I've had this feeling ever since the breast dive loop during the sponsors a few episodes back, but the company making this is having their own fun with the anime, aren't they? This time with a MAD at the end...
Haha, I don't normally watch the ending, so I had to go back and watch that part. Very nice.
The previews are even more telling of this...you should listen to some of the stuff they say :heh:.
Deathkillz
2009-08-05, 22:16
Hey, one thing I really liked about this episode...
...THE SHANNON DANCE!!!
(couldn't resist making this video.. XD)
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I am surprised you managed to make that HORRIBLE of a motion that Shannon did, actually hilarious to look at now. Kudos to you ;)
Overall I was quite impressed with this episode, even with stuff being skipped out, it was no where as disastrous as it had been before. For once, the stuff that they actually skipped didn't affect the meaning of the original that much and I am happy that a similar feeling is being shown (finally).
Though the show still is just an adaptation afterall and I don't feel that the "depth" of each characters has been fully represented. They are trying but still, it's a shame that we have people like Eva losing her evil charm. People must go play the games after watching this series :heh:
Jessica's funny faces were just great. It was a big shame that the pettan song got replaced with something entirely horrible, but I loved the way they showed Jessica flash her knuckle dusters! :D
Mistypearl
2009-08-05, 22:33
That video made. my. day. Seriously you win at life. Anyway Now I will actually go watch ep. 6 and not be offtopic. Will add more later to this post just had to say that the video was pure pwnage.
TsundereCake
2009-08-05, 22:41
How is it that no one else cares about Beato's fangs being stolem ;_;?
Stupid tsurupettan :<
Someone give Kanon a butter knife so that he can slash his wrist and end his miseries. I didn't know his Emo power is this advanced! But I still love him. I know he is just being tsundere to Jessica and he is just lying to himself because deep inside he really likes Jessica. XD
Beatrice is tsundere. And Beatrice better be real or Kanon and Shannon will have to have a telepathic bond to be able to see and talk to Beatrice at the SAME time. I don't know which one is more in the boonies but the former I can take.
After 6 episodes I realized that Shannon has Taiga's voice. 10 because this episode is shoujo heheh
What is TSURUPETTAN??
Deathkillz
2009-08-05, 22:57
What is TSURUPETTAN??
This:
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June 1983
2009-08-05, 22:58
It's the song Jessica originally sang in the VN:
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Beruko08
2009-08-05, 23:04
Someone give Kanon a butter knife so that he can slash his wrist and end his miseries. I didn't know his Emo power is this advanced! But I still love him. I know he is just being tsundere to Jessica and he is just lying to himself because deep inside he really likes Jessica. XD
Beatrice is tsundere. And Beatrice better be real or Kanon and Shannon will have to have a telepathic bond to be able to see and talk to Beatrice at the SAME time. I don't know which one is more in the boonies but the former I can take.
After 6 episodes I realized that Shannon has Taiga's voice. 10 because this episode is shoujo heheh
What is TSURUPETTAN??
Shannon's voice actor is Rie Kugimiya, who was also Taiga's voice actor so it's of course they have same voice :heh:
And tsuru pettan is the name of the song Jessica sang in the game. The song's originally came from Touhou if I remember correctly.
Kanon it seems disapproves of such commoner activities.
Saerianne
2009-08-06, 00:23
Damn that song started to get annoying. XD
The cuts were much better in this episode, too! I thought Rie would do good at Shannon, but now she seems to be getting a bit too soft, if that's the word.
THAT VIDEO MADE MY DAY. LIKE SERIOUSLY. I LOVE YOU. <333
And tsuru pettan is the name of the song Jessica sang in the game. The song's originally came from Touhou if I remember correctly.
Tsurupettan is a parody song by doujin circle Silver Forest with lyrics that make fun of a character (Suika Ibuki) from game 7.5 in the Touhou series (Touhou Suimusou). However it doesn't actually arrange a Touhou BGM; the main chorus is loosely based off the theme song of Mojipittan (a Namco word puzzle game) originally composed by Satoru Kousaki, along with references to various other memes such as "Let's go! Onmyoji" (a song from PS2 game "Shin Gouketuji Ichizoku: Matrimelee") and Miko Miko Nurse. It also includes a reference to Oyashiro-sama from Higurashi, which is probably why Ryukishi07 used it in the first place. It's the last song on this album (http://vgmdb.net/album/9815).
Beruko08
2009-08-06, 01:16
Tsurupettan is a parody song by doujin circle Silver Forest with lyrics that make fun of a character (Suika Ibuki) from game 7.5 in the Touhou series (Touhou Suimusou). However it doesn't actually arrange a Touhou BGM; the main chorus is loosely based off the theme song of Mojipittan (a Namco word puzzle game) originally composed by Satoru Kousaki, along with references to various other memes such as "Let's go! Onmyoji" (a song from PS2 game "Shin Gouketuji Ichizoku: Matrimelee") and Miko Miko Nurse. It also includes a reference to Oyashiro-sama from Higurashi, which is probably why Ryukishi07 used it in the first place. It's the last song on this album (http://vgmdb.net/album/9815).
I see, that does make sense now :heh:
Thanks for your explanation anyways
paraalso
2009-08-06, 02:10
Kanon is considered younger and Jessica is two years older than him so idk.
And no it didn't, Kitsu O_o The images of new times presented dates and years.
Shannon breaking the mirror - December 1985
Eva telling off Shannon, which happened before the mirror was broken - October 1984, most likely after the conference.
School Festival - August 1986
Wait, wait :twitch:
Doesn't that mean that Shannon was 14 and George was 21 when Eva told Shannon off about their relationship? :uhoh:
I never thought about it before, but their age difference at the time really is that big. I didn't realize George was into that stuff :heh:
Christen
2009-08-06, 02:56
I think Shannon is 18 at 1986. I'm not sure about my memory though.
Mercurius
2009-08-06, 03:11
Considering what the anime had to work with, this was by far the best editing job they've done yet. Kind of a slow episode, but it does give us some very badly needed character background.Agreed. Although I think they could've pulled off Eva's berating of Shannon a bit better, the overall character development of this episode was a much needed boost in the series' quality. The BGM was also very well done (minus Tsurupettan), having just the right amount of game music with some original tracks as well.
My notes for the episode:
-Kanon and Shannon are obsessed with not being human. This was obvious in the games too, but I like how they're highlighting this fact in the anime.
-Beatrice really is a kid at heart.
-Beatrice seemed a bit miffed at those before Shannon who simply used her for her magic. Almost as if she's holding a grudge...
-Beatrice sowed 'three seeds of love.' Don't really remember this line from the VN, but I'm guessing she means Kinzo as the third. Or someone else, maybe?
Klashikari
2009-08-06, 03:53
I think Shannon is 18 at 1986. I'm not sure about my memory though.
No, Shannon is 100% confirmed 16 years old in 1986.
ipernorris
2009-08-06, 04:29
I'm happy that the anime staff didn't get the "parallel worlds" direction, at least for now. Since last episode I greatly feared that: this episode was all about flashbacks, which were needed imho, since the anime started and went on for a while with all of the murders and witch mess, without explaining HOW the situation came to that point, not in a very satisfactory way at least. Now it's much more clear what happened in the past: Beatrice not only exists in the so called real world, but she temptes people in order to accomplish her own goals.
Anyway, returning to my "parallel worlds" fear: I don't want that to happen, at all. I mean I don't want to see some episodes and believing some things, then be told they were all fake or wait... they were not entirely fake, there was some truth after all! :heh:
Even worse: I don't want episodes which cannot be understood by anime-only watchers... I still remember some episodes of Ergo Proxy, which required the actual episode and ten pages of analysis in fans' blogs, to HOPE to understand them a bit. I mean I'm the first one who hates oversimplified plot (=harem anime, just to make an example), but I hate overcomplicated plots as well. I think anime are just a way to spend free time, so they should never become too difficult to understand.
MeoTwister5
2009-08-06, 04:58
I'm happy that the anime staff didn't get the "parallel worlds" direction, at least for now. Since last episode I greatly feared that: this episode was all about flashbacks, which were needed imho, since the anime started and went on for a while with all of the murders and witch mess, without explaining HOW the situation came to that point, not in a very satisfactory way at least. Now it's much more clear what happened in the past: Beatrice not only exists in the so called real world, but she temptes people in order to accomplish her own goals.
Anyway, returning to my "parallel worlds" fear: I don't want that to happen, at all. I mean I don't want to see some episodes and believing some things, then be told they were all fake or wait... they were not entirely fake, there was some truth after all! :heh:
Even worse: I don't want episodes which cannot be understood by anime-only watchers... I still remember some episodes of Ergo Proxy, which required the actual episode and ten pages of analysis in fans' blogs, to HOPE to understand them a bit. I mean I'm the first one who hates oversimplified plot (=harem anime, just to make an example), but I hate overcomplicated plots as well. I think anime are just a way to spend free time, so they should never become too difficult to understand.
And what about the rest of us who also like cerebral shows? I don't think you should fault a show and a genre just because it falls under a category you don't like.
Time for round 2!
The Bad:
1. Minor quibble but just looking at George in his Tomitake Flash shirt and dog tags looking all metrosexual during the Okinawa scenes really defeats the idea that he never really embodied the idea of the "sexiest man alive." Well to each his own I guess, but you'd never really guess he wasn't exactly the bishounen he is now.
2. I didn't really like the way the scene of Eva chewing out Shannon was handled. Not that because she chewed her out, but aside from being a bit too short, Eva comes off as much too evil and sinister than I think she should be. Of course that's open to interpretation but it's probably because I have a different impression of her.
3. Personality I wished that Rie Kugimiya didn't have to revert at some scenes to her helium-induced voice pitch that she usually uses for her Tsundere roles. Personally it makes me remember these roles, which really doesn't jive with Shannon because in my mind these two personality types clash.
The Good:
1. It was good they kept the scene of George salvaging the situation in 1984. Some probably won't notice it but it tells a lot about his character and personality.
2. This episode surprisingly has none of the lightspeed pacing of most of the previous episodes. Rather than focus on the events of 1986 DEEN decided to make this almost purely about the events that happened prior to the tragedy, which really builds a lot of the missing characters development they decided not to show in the first arc.
3. The emphasis on the servants mentality as "furniture" might seem dehumanizing to most viewers but it helps build upon the background as to why they consider themselves such lowly creatures in the first place.
4. The change of the OP portrait to the corresponding Ep OP was, as people have already pointed out, an excellent move. It gives the impression that it's time for the next round of Rokkenjima.
5. Hats off to Beatrice's animation. She looks as menacing as she sounds. Personally I hope they keep her design consistent for the rest of the season. Same goes for her VA, I have really no idea where the complaints are coming from. She's got a deep womanly voice which I was expecting. I mean, she's not freaking Maria. She's not supposed to be cute or adorable. She's supposed to be malevolent, and her VA shows.
6. They finally showed Jessica using her inhaler. Maybe now people will realize that when she had an attack in the previous episodes it's because she doesn't exactly have the best respiratory tract.
7. I didn't like Tsurepettan and I'm glad it wasn't here. Hate me all you want but that's what I felt in the VN: it was over the top cheesy.:eyespin:
I'm happy that the anime staff didn't get the "parallel worlds" direction, at least for now. Since last episode I greatly feared that: this episode was all about flashbacks, which were needed imho, since the anime started and went on for a while with all of the murders and witch mess, without explaining HOW the situation came to that point, not in a very satisfactory way at least. Now it's much more clear what happened in the past: Beatrice not only exists in the so called real world, but she temptes people in order to accomplish her own goals.
Anyway, returning to my "parallel worlds" fear: I don't want that to happen, at all. I mean I don't want to see some episodes and believing some things, then be told they were all fake or wait... they were not entirely fake, there was some truth after all! :heh:
Even worse: I don't want episodes which cannot be understood by anime-only watchers... I still remember some episodes of Ergo Proxy, which required the actual episode and ten pages of analysis in fans' blogs, to HOPE to understand them a bit. I mean I'm the first one who hates oversimplified plot (=harem anime, just to make an example), but I hate overcomplicated plots as well. I think anime are just a way to spend free time, so they should never become too difficult to understand.
Boy did you pick the wrong series. This is by the same person that wrote Higurashi and you've just knocked about everyone of his stchicks.
ipernorris
2009-08-06, 06:18
And what about the rest of us who also like cerebral shows? I don't think you should fault a show and a genre just because it falls under a category you don't like.
Did I say I dislike Umineko so far? If I'm here it's because I'm enjoying this and anyway I even stated that I like complex plots... the only thing I want is that the anime is self-explanatory, that's all. It doesn't mean it must be simple: it can be complex too, but the most important thing is that the material to understand what happens in the anime is in the anime itself. Then there is the parallel worlds thingy, but that's just my personal taste... to make an example: in anime like Trinity Blood or Chrome Shelled Regios you don't understand anything if you don't read the novels or a summary of them, at least. That's the kind of anime I don't really like...
PS Anyway evreything I say is my personal taste or opinion: it's quite obvious since it's me who is writing and not you... :heh:
Boy did you pick the wrong series. This is by the same person that wrote Higurashi and you've just knocked about everyone of his stchicks.
In fact I dropped Highurashi half-way because it started with the parallel worlds mess... :D
I hope this won't happen here again!
In fact I dropped Highurashi half-way because it started with the parallel worlds mess... :D
I hope this won't happen here again!And why don't you give the "whole parallel worlds mess" a chance?
At the end of Higurashi all of that make sense. That's the whole point, it's not "random parallel worlds" or "they were all fake" at all.
ipernorris
2009-08-06, 06:31
And why don't you give the "whole parallel worlds mess" a chance?
At the end of Higurashi all of that make sense. That's the whole point, it's not "random parallel worlds" or "they were all fake" at all.
Yeah too bad I wouldn't arrive at the end of the series at all: my brain cells would be dead! :heh:
Perhaps I should give Higurashi another chance, but it should be ONE episode per day at most, and after meals, because I don't like the thought of fiding surprises in them... :rolleyes::mad::D
MeoTwister5
2009-08-06, 06:39
You're not supposed to finish whole episodes in one sitting lol.
When I tried finishing half an arc of Umineko in one sitting, the next few days I needed to use both hands to keep drool in my mouth.
Vega Lyra
2009-08-06, 06:41
Really did enjoy this episode. Loved Beatrice's crazy face. Ahahah. <3 This episode lightened my day to say the least. :)
Christen
2009-08-06, 06:42
You're not supposed to finish whole episodes in one sitting lol.
When I tried finishing half an arc of Umineko in one sitting, the next few days I needed to use both hands to keep drool in my mouth.
Me and my friend finished Higurashi 1st season (anime) in one sitting. I read Umineko arcs in one sitting, and I'll say to the other people that it's bad for your health. :heh:
MeoTwister5
2009-08-06, 06:44
Me and my friend finished Higurashi 1st season (anime) in one sitting. I read Umineko arcs in one sitting, and I'll say to the other people that it's bad for your health. :heh:
You sir/ma'am are insane.
You sir/ma'am are insane.
I believe not. *agrees with Christens statement*
MeoTwister5
2009-08-06, 07:14
Actually I was agreeing in the statements that doing so isn't in the best interest of one's health.:eyespin:
helloayax
2009-08-06, 07:14
Me and my friend finished Higurashi 1st season (anime) in one sitting. I read Umineko arcs in one sitting, and I'll say to the other people that it's bad for your health. :heh:
-nods- I completely agree with you.
I marathoned the first season in one night through about mid afternoon the next day, and fell asleep on my keyboard. And I must say, I had some rather... odd... dreams. ＾－＾； As for Umineko, I decided to take that one a bit slower... although I can honestly say I'm not the same after discovering both of these. xP
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the budget for this show is spent on Beatrice's eyes.
Christen
2009-08-06, 07:40
You sir/ma'am are insane.
It's a sir, and thank you very much :eyespin: The dreams I had after the marathons are rather weird like helloayax.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the budget for this show is spent on Beatrice's eyes.
Or the bossoms. You musn't forget those.
but now what? so is Beatrice really able to be seen by those that are talented? Also why are those two from the orphanage both talented? Is there any hidden agenda with the orphanage or is it just coincident?
So in other word Beatrice is like Hanyu who exists in a very ambiguous way in the main world?
I still cannot figure out what will happen in this arc. This episode only gave us the character backgrounds, which I assume will mostly be correct from the narrator's point of view (c'mon, you can't say that Kanon had an illusion of Jessica playing "very colourful" music). Guess I'll have to wait until next episode to figure out the main theme of this arc then. Will meta-battler make an appearance? probably at the end of the arc maybe.
By the way, can someone pass me my sunglasses? Those lovey-dovey scenes are just too bright for me.
FlareKnight
2009-08-06, 08:31
Or the bossoms. You musn't forget those.It'd be hard to :heh:.
Anyways a nice episode for background. Do wonder about that broken mirror. I mean we can't really trust Beatrice's own explanations for breaking it. Though at the same time it possible she was honest about that.
I can understand Kanon being upset at the end. No matter how much 'help' she gives relationships between servants and children of an extremely wealthy family don't have great chances. Looking at the parents involved it doesn't seem like they'd jump for joy at the prospects.
But yeah Kanon really went Itachi for a while there :). Definitely went over the top with the black coat.
Will wonder about Shanon and Kanon being able to see Beatrice. Maybe have some spacial awareness that lets them notice her.
Anyways a personal highlight was Jessica taking out weaponry to beat up on her classmates :heh:.
typhonsentra
2009-08-06, 08:46
Damn, Kanon's harsh.
Yami Sonozaki
2009-08-06, 09:21
Hah, this episode was a nice one as well.
Kanon going Itachi-style was damn funny XD. He's good at cosplaying xd.
Also George's Tomitake Flash T-shirt was epic! XD
Mint Kashiro
2009-08-06, 09:43
In fact I dropped Highurashi half-way because it started with the parallel worlds mess... :D
I hope this won't happen here again!
Maybe you should do just a teeny bit of research before you get too into Umineko then. It seems to be a very big plot device for the 'When They Cry' series, and you can almost garuntee since it happened in Higurashi that it will likely happen here too. It's just to be expected, as it's part of the same series as Higurashi is.
risingstar3110
2009-08-06, 10:06
With the Suzumiya and Umineko sub forum with 80 viewers+ each .... i feel so terrible that i still have too much works before i can check this ep (and SH ep 9) out properly.....
Will comment more when i have time to enjoy qq sub =X
General_Asakura
2009-08-06, 11:08
...they changed beatrice's outfit in the opening :o
the picture one at least
Watched it twice again, once without subs and now subbed. I gave it a 9/10.
+
Jessica on stage (although the 'song' was... well, it was okay.)
Sayo/Shannon x George, I love them together
Beatrice-sama is so awesome <3
Fish fish fish ~ like fish
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Kanon .__. what did you do to Jessica?
The song =/ now that I know what Tsurupettan is, I would have liked it in the series (although the text is.. somewhat obscene)
pettan pettan.. tsurupettan.. it's just so catchy ._.
All in all, very nice. Liked it a lot and am looking forward to next week.
k//eternal
2009-08-06, 13:39
Incredible. This part of the game was really boring in my book, and the anime made it interesting. And finally, people have REAL PERSONALITIES! Big points from me for this ep, I'll give it 10/10.
Just some quick thoughts:
Looks like DEEN, or whoever is writing the script, is finally doing the job they should be doing. The episode didn't fell rushed much. Of course, there are couple cuts here and there, but I can't think of anything that it would affect at the top of my head. A solid episode.
That being said, here are the things I didn't like too much.
1. I admit I'm somewhat of a person with Kugimiya Syndrome, but Shannon's voice just wasn't good enough. I don't mind Kugyu moving away from her comfort zone, as she has a good voice in some of the roles she has in "non-traditional Kugimiya" show/games, Shannon's voice just didn't do it for me. It's like she's forcing it out, or trying too hard to not use her "traditional" voice...
2. Edited version of usankusai no karoi: one of my favourite song, yet the edited version sounds so...choppy? It's like taking the begining , middle and the end of the song and just compressed it into a short segment.
3.DQN! DQN!: While I never expected Tsruppetan to be in(okay a small part of me wished it would still happen), the new song is...not that great. Maybe it's too tenpa for me.
Really minor things I liked from the episode/preview:
1. Tomitake @ live
2. Kanon and robot references.
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 13:51
Really minor things I liked from the episode/preview:
1. Tomitake @ live
2. Kanon and robot references.
Kanon was talking about robots in the episode preview? I guess guys like their laserz...:D
sainfate
2009-08-06, 14:26
It was kind of weird seeing an episode with no dead bodies or blood :D
3 seeds of love? What exactly does it mean? :eyebrow:
(1) Shannon's feelings for George?
(2) Jessica's feelings for Kanon?
(3) Kanon's feelings for Shannon????? - He seems rather jealous of her.
It was horrid to see how Rosa treated Maria in the preview.
lovelysan
2009-08-06, 14:26
I'm so jelous of all of you. My internet went out sometime yesterday whilst I was at work, and it won't be repaired until SUNDAY. In other words... I can't see the episode until then. *weep*
It was kind of weird seeing an episode with no dead bodies or blood :D
3 seeds of love? What exactly does it mean? :eyebrow:
(1) Shannon's feelings for George?
(2) Jessica's feelings for Kanon?
(3) Kanon's feelings for Shannon????? - He seems rather jealous of her.
It was horrid to see how Rosa treated Maria in the preview.
Kinzo's feelings for Beatrice
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 14:28
It was kind of weird seeing an episode with no dead bodies or blood :D
3 seeds of love? What exactly does it mean? :eyebrow:
(1) Shannon's feelings for George?
(2) Jessica's feelings for Kanon?
(3) Kanon's feelings for Shannon????? - He seems rather jealous of her.
It was horrid to see how Rosa treated Maria in the preview.
1. Shannon/George
2. Jessica/Kanon
3. Kinzo/Beatrice
I wish someone could translate the EP. 7 preview...
EDIT: Marf's a ninja lol
This is Kanon.
We are furniture.
Since we are furniture, we don't go to the washroom, nor do we fart.
We have a hundred thousand horsepower, and machine guns stuck to our bottoms.
We say "ki-n" and run with our arms stretched to the sides, and have a pocket attached to our stomach.
Sometimes we wear school uniform and geta, and eat sasanishiki (type of rice)all the time.
Our real names has got to be, Andou Shannon and Kanon.
Shannon probably have a maiden circuit installed in her, and probably can fire breast missiles.
That's becuase, we are furniture.
Next time, early queen move
I want to be human quick.
June 1983
2009-08-06, 14:56
Oh god, these previews are just bizarre. XD Even more strange than the Kai previews were.
I really enjoyed this episode, and I also found this part of the game to be quite boring, so that was a nice surprise. And it was sooo awesome to see the second Beato portrait in the opening. Mwahaaha, I can't wait for Episode 7!
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 15:00
This is Kanon.
We are furniture.
Since we are furniture, we don't go to the washroom, nor do we fart.
We have a hundred thousand horsepower, and machine guns stuck to our bottoms.
We say "ki-n" and run with our arms stretched to the sides, and have a pocket attached to our stomach.
Sometimes we were school uniform and geta, and eat sasanishiki (type of rice)all the time.
Our real names has got to be, Andou Shannon and Kanon.
Shannon probably have a maiden circuit installed in her, and probably can fire breast missiles.
That's becuase, we are furniture.
Next time, early queen move
I want to be human quick.
Thanks for the translation, Rias. XD
I want to be human quick.
If I were such a strang robot or whatever I would want to become human as fast as possible as well
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 15:12
This is Kanon.
We are furniture.
Since we are furniture, we don't go to the washroom, nor do we fart.
We have a hundred thousand horsepower, and machine guns stuck to our bottoms.
We say "ki-n" and run with our arms stretched to the sides, and have a pocket attached to our stomach.
Sometimes we wear school uniform and geta, and eat sasanishiki (type of rice)all the time.
Our real names has got to be, Andou Shannon and Kanon.
Shannon probably have a maiden circuit installed in her, and probably can fire breast missiles.
That's becuase, we are furniture.
Next time, early queen move
I want to be human quick.
ROFL. Kanon really is furniture..! Or a robot. Either one. xDD
I thought it was a pretty good episode. Loved the Tomitake Flash shirt. A bit disappointed at the lack of Tsurupettan, but more appalled at what replaced it. Loved the preview for the next ep!
Vega Lyra
2009-08-06, 15:39
This is Kanon.
We are furniture.
Since we are furniture, we don't go to the washroom, nor do we fart.
We have a hundred thousand horsepower, and machine guns stuck to our bottoms.
We say "ki-n" and run with our arms stretched to the sides, and have a pocket attached to our stomach.
Sometimes we wear school uniform and geta, and eat sasanishiki (type of rice)all the time.
Our real names has got to be, Andou Shannon and Kanon.
Shannon probably have a maiden circuit installed in her, and probably can fire breast missiles.
That's becuase, we are furniture.
Next time, early queen move
I want to be human quick.
Oh my, these previews are hilarious. XD I don't know how on earth Kanon's voice actress managed to sound so serious while saying all of that.
TsundereCake
2009-08-06, 15:46
Our real names has got to be, Andou Shannon and Kanon.
Shannon probably have a maiden circuit installed in her...
Mahoromatic reference?
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 15:48
Mahoromatic reference?
I thought the same thing.
sainfate
2009-08-06, 15:56
[QUOTE=Mikachiru;2563863]
1. Shannon/George
2. Jessica/Kanon
3. Kinzo/Beatrice
Why Kanon acts that way when is about Shannon? He looks really jealous when he sees George and Shannon together. Shame Jessica's love isn't returned, I feel sorry for her.......for Kinzo? Well I think he is just crazy old man.
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 16:04
1. Shannon/George
2. Jessica/Kanon
3. Kinzo/Beatrice
Why Kanon acts that way when is about Shannon? He looks really jealous when he sees George and Shannon together. Shame Jessica's love isn't returned, I feel sorry for her.......for Kinzo? Well I think he is just crazy old man.
Hm...Shota-angst. I guess he did look jealous. It's actually kinda cute.:heh:
The only thing I could think of is his older sister's with some guy and now she won't pay as much attention to him and he isn't happy.:D
Hm...Shota-angst. I guess he did look jealous. It's actually kinda cute.:heh:
The only thing I could think of is his older sister's with some guy and now she won't pay as much attention to him and he isn't happy.:D
Also, he envys his sister. His sister was able to overcome her complex and get a boyfriend. Mister Angst on the other hand is still stuck in his weird complex. He is against this relationship because he "knows" that both of them will break up eventually cause she is furniture. Which would really hurt Shannon, which he can't stand cause he is protective
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 16:13
Also, he envys his sister. His sister was able to overcome her complex and get a boyfriend. Mister Angst on the other hand is still stuck in his weird complex. He is against this relationship because he "knows" that both of them will break up eventually cause she is furniture. Which would really hurt Shannon, which he can't stand cause he is protective
Shota angst+Sister complex= XD
I say this but I'm 99% JessiKano. Could Kanon count as a tsundere? :heh:
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 16:13
I'm actually starting to wonder if the Orphanage Shannon and Kanon are from is one of those Orphanages of Fear.
Shannon has been working at Rokkenjima since she was really little, and it wouldn't effect her as much. If I'm correct, however, Kanon only started working there when he was 13. He'd most probably feel antisocial and "I am insignifcant"-type (aka emo) after spending most of his life there, while Shannon lived in a place with (slightly lol) nicer people.
Shota angst+Sister complex= XD
I say this but I'm 99% JessiKano. Could Kanon count as a tsundere? :heh:
Jessica is a Type B (usually nice but can get mad) Tsundere...Kanon doesn't really fit Type A (usually mean but can get nice) because he's more quiet than harsh. He's more of a Kuudere. (usually quiet and anitsocial, but really quite nice)
Or he's a combo! xD
Yup, or Kanon's past before the orphanage was even worse..you know that guy just screams "I HAVE A BAD CHILDHOOD!! PITY MEEH!"
Well I just hope the orphanage isn't as bad as a certain one from Higurashi...ew...Leaking toilets and eww~
Shota angst+Sister complex= XD
Don't forgot the mood swings! the mood swings~
I say this but I'm 99% JessiKano. Could Kanon count as a tsundere?
The tsundere part is already given to Jessi no chance here...he is just an complete idiot. I mean
"i'm a domestic duck"
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 16:18
Well I just hope it isn't as bad as a certain one from Higurashi...ew...Leaking toilets and eww~
I think Kanon would be a little more optimistic coming from a place like THAT, like Miyo(ko) was. I think they'd just be abusive there.
"i'm a domestic duck"
FFFFT. Didn't George say he liked the domestic type?
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 16:22
I think Kanon would be a little more optimistic coming from a place like THAT, like Miyo(ko) was. I think they'd just be abusive there.
I always thought the whole "I'm furniture" thing was forced on him when he was a kid (well, growing up at least)...You know, like at school where the teacher is all like "I'm the teacher; you guys are students so just remember that and do what I say lol" kinda thing.:heh:
FFFFT. Didn't George say he liked the domestic type?
No! Don't do it, George!! Think about your future!! O.o
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 16:23
I always thought the whole "I'm furniture" thing was forced on him when he was a kid (well, growing up at least)...You know, like at school where the teacher is all like "I'm the teacher; you guys are students so just remember that and do what I say lol" kinda thing.:heh:
It would have to be pretty darn harsh to make him THIS emo "I AM FURNITURE"-obsessed. xD
That's probably where his aggressive-ness came from too, considering everyone there must have used force.
"I'm the teacher; you guys are students so just remember that and do what I say lol"
Ahh, I remember such teachings..the only problem is I was a pain as a child and never listened anyway.
And I would have thought such a bad tempered child as him would do the same
FFFFT. Didn't George say he liked the domestic type?
Ha! The domestic duck thing was the major hint for Kanon=Shannon all along!! xDDD
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 16:29
It would have to be pretty darn harsh to make him THIS emo "I AM FURNITURE"-obsessed. xD
That's probably where his aggressive-ness came from too, considering everyone there must have used force.
Most of his agressivness is aimed at Beatrice. Maybe he's scared of sexy women think Laharl from Disgaea lol. But then again, Jessica's blonde and bouncy too...:heh:
Most of his agressivness is aimed at Beatrice. Maybe he's scared of sexy womenthink Laharl from Disgaea lol. But then again, Jessica's blonde and bouncy too...
Well he got angry at her as well.
"I'M FURNITURE AND CAN'T LOVE YOU BACK STFU!"
oh and directed at Natsuhi and Eva (and that Renon or runon whatever maid) "They can all go to hell" Oh and he dislikes Gohda... who isn't a sexy woman...At least I hope that
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 16:30
Well he got angry at her as well.
"I'M FURNITURE AND CAN'T LOVE YOU BACK STFU!"
He really does have something against blonde and bouncies!!;)
oh and directed at Natsuhi and Eva (and that Renon or runon whatever maid) "They can all go to hell"
Screw it. He's just afraid of bouncies. XD
Oh and he dislikes Gohda... who isn't a sexy woman...At least I hope that
Maybe there is a sexy woman hiding under that hideous chef suit...:heh:
He really does have something against blonde and bouncies!!
Come on, we all know he digs blond and bouncy and is jsut to stubborn to accept that, therefor he gets angry.
Finished watching, thoughts and whatnot here (http://neetgamers.com/?p=1315).
Well he got angry at her as well.
"I'M FURNITURE AND CAN'T LOVE YOU BACK STFU!"
oh and directed at Natsuhi and Eva (and that Renon or runon whatever maid) "They can all go to hell" Oh and he dislikes Gohda... who isn't a sexy woman...At least I hope that
I wouldn't be so sure. Hideyoshi was pretty convincing too, but we all know where that turned out once we saw his "man" boobs.
ameskitty
2009-08-06, 16:34
Jessica is a Type B (usually nice but can get mad) Tsundere...Kanon doesn't really fit Type A (usually mean but can get nice) because he's more quiet than harsh. He's more of a Kuudere. (usually quiet and anitsocial, but really quite nice)
Or he's a combo! xD
Hmm, Jessica's probably more of a type BA - since just B implies she'd be meanest to Kanon. She's nice by default, mean to guys she doesn't like/people that provoke her, and uber-uber nice to guys she likes.
But yes, Kanon is very, very kuudere. I think that most males that can be classified as moe are some subtrope of kuudere :heh:.
Anyways, watched the subs, and my 8 rating stands :D.
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 16:34
Come on, we all know he digs blond and bouncy and is jsut to stubborn to accept that, therefor he gets angry.
...Maybe the person who owned the Orphanage was blond and bouncy? *shot*
(I'm starting to think we should move this to the VN Readers thread lol)
Come on, we all know he digs blond and bouncy and is jsut to stubborn to accept that, therefor he gets angry.
He's probably perverted enough to give Battler a run for his money and refuses to come to terms with that so he gets pissy.
Call yourself furniture all you want boy, we all know you wanna grope a feel of Jessi's funbags ;D
And I would have thought such a bad tempered child as him would do the same
Something tells me that Kanon would have actually been quite mild-tempered if he hadn't had all that FURNITURE RAGE hammered in during his orphanage days.
Come on, we all know he digs blond and bouncy and is jsut to stubborn to accept that, therefor he gets angry.
Beatrice=bouncy + Kanon gets angry at her, thus Kanon digs Beatrice? O.O
Call yourself furniture all you want boy, we all know you wanna grope a feel of Jessi's funbags ;D
Who doesn't xDDD Just joking, but well~ I can see him killing Battler for trying to touch his ... ehm property
Beatrice=bouncy + Kanon gets angry at her, thus Kanon digs Beatrice? O.O
Well there are people believing that Jessi is Beatrice soo
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 16:41
Beatrice=bouncy + Kanon gets angry at her, thus Kanon digs Beatrice? O.O
This definitely would sound more reasonable if I were drunk (j/k).:D
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 16:43
Beatrice=bouncy + Kanon gets angry at her, thus Kanon digs Beatrice? O.O
Well, if Jessica and Beatrice's resemblance means anything...:heh:
Heh, this really makes me wonder how Kanon and Shannon's lives were like before they became orphans. Something tells me Shannon had it good and Kanon not so much. "I HAD A BAD CHILDHOOD SO I'M EMO PITY ME"
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 16:48
Well, if Jessica and Beatrice's resemblance means anything...:heh:
Heh, this really makes me wonder how Kanon and Shannon's lives were like before they became orphans. Something tells me Shannon had it good and Kanon not so much. "I HAD A BAD CHILDHOOD SO I'M EMO PITY ME"
To me, just because a character is similar looking doesn't mean they are the same, otherwise Maria=Rena. The only exceptions are 34 and Bern.
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 16:51
To me, just because a character is similar looking doesn't mean they are the same, otherwise Maria=Rena.
Maria and Rena don't look THAT alike. (Although there was the theory I heard about Rena=Renon, :heh: )
(And you might wanna remove your mention of a spoiler character there...)
Mikaichiru...if the resemblance would just be the only thing that hints to that direction
I think we need a Kanon thread...but I'm unsure Kanon/Shannon thread or Kanon/Jessica thread
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 16:54
I think we need a Kanon thread...but I'm unsure Kanon/Shannon thread or Kanon/Jessica thread
INCEST IS WINCEST Yeah, I think we need threads for Kanon and Shannon. This episode put them up as important characters. (maybe a Beato thread too? Or should we wait for awhile)
I think we need a Kanon thread...but I'm unsure Kanon/Shannon thread or Kanon/Jessica thread
Well...Kanon/Jessica is the oficial pairing so it would be better to do a thread for them? But my opinion is biased so I really don't know.
Why not make a thread about couples in general?
And lol, everyone is saying life at the orphanage made Kanon emo, but I also presumed it was the life in Rokkenjima that did it...
INCEST IS WINCEST
They are my guilty pleasure~ They just look good together (though I still prefer KanonxJessi and evern GeorgexShannon)
I think we can wait with Beato thread but I think since this episode Kanon and shannon became bigger roles than in the last arc. But well the major characters from the last arc weren#t discussed in their threads, so I dunno if we really need such thread since no one seems wants to discuss the characters
Kanon/Jessica is the oficial pairing
Tut wrong tut
Not official. Evil rejection from evil emo boy
And lol, everyone is saying life at the orphanage made Kanon emo, but I also presumed it was the life in Rokkenjima that did it..
I think it was just his whole life (live before the oprhanage, in the orphanage and on rokkenjima) He just realised that his whole live is sh** and became emo
I think we can wait with Beato thread but I think since this episode Kanon and shannon became bigger roles than in the last arc. But well the major characters from the last arc weren#t discussed in their threads, so I dunno if we really need such thread since no one seems wants to discuss the characters
To be fair, the characters were pretty lacking during the first five episodes so there wasn't really anything to discuss.
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 16:59
And lol, everyone is saying life at the orphanage made Kanon emo, but I also presumed it was the life in Rokkenjima that did it...
It was probably both now that I think about it. Maybe he thought life at Rokkenjima would be better...and they he saw how they treated Shannon. Maybe that's the point where he became so bitter.
so I dunno if we really need such thread since no one seems wants to discuss the characters
But it's so FUN to talk about emo!Kanon! xD
To be fair, the characters were pretty lacking during the first five episodes so there wasn't really anything to discuss.
Well you kinda have a point there. if I remember
"Dur hur she liked him, didn't she?"
You kinda are right
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 17:03
But it's so FUN to talk about emo!Kanon! xD
Kanon is indeed fun to talk about. The cousins need more time to develop for their theads to get somewhere. But I think Kanon is set...
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 17:04
Well you kinda have a point there. if I remember
"Dur hur she liked him, didn't she?"
You kinda are right
Curse you, DEEN!
I think this is the first arc where you really start to CARE about the characters, though. EP1 was always meant to be an "introduction" arc, and this is where the real story begins.
Curse you, DEEN!
Yup, for cutting my favorite pairing. JessicaxInhalator for the win!
I think this is the first arc where you really start to CARE about the characters, though. EP1 was always meant to be an "introduction" arc, and this is where the real story begins.
well, I started to care for Jessica right of the batch and rooted for her ("Don't be the typical blond idiot and die first!") But that's only because she has a ponytail and blond and not the annoying type of tsundere (the one who beats the person she likes (I mean durhur that won't make her more popular by the guy)), pardon tsundora lol
Also I cared for Maria, I pitied her the whole time and I still do. I don't want her to get harmed.
But you are right this is the first arc with real insight of the characters
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 17:18
JessicaxInhalator for the win!
OFFICIALLY MY NEW OTP. *shot*
This is also the first arc with Memes I think, xD (Shannon Dance is a new one, some others)
Shannon dance...ah I love it~ If you want to call it a meme lol~
But the last arc had one already...BEST MOM EVER! and suffercoughing of Jessi (poor girl, loosing her almost lover and then getting laughed at and ignored)
OFFICIALLY MY NEW OTP. *shot*
It's smexy and so cute...(this happens if you let me and my friends play Umineko...)
But I was wondering, is Kanon colorblind? For me the sea looked blue
But I was wondering, is Kanon colorblind? For me the sea looked blue
At night? Looked black to me. In the daytime it looked so blue it actually made me facepalm.
I don't think he's physically colorblind--he's just a troubled little emo shota with an unsure heart </3
I'll be crying happily if he ever admits to seeing the sea as blue at any point.
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 17:28
But I was wondering, is Kanon colorblind? For me the sea looked blue
BREAK OUT THE BROCCOLI AND CAULIFLOWER! lol, I was always confused about that part too. Too bad they cut out the George\Shannon beach scene, then it would have been more symbolic.
At night? Looked black to me. In the daytime it looked so blue it actually made me facepalm.
Well, it wasn't black for sure not even at night. And yes that it was so blue at daytime made me smash my head against my table.
I don't think he's physically colorblind--he's just a troubled little emo shota with an unsure heart </3
I'll be crying happily if he ever admits to seeing the sea as blue at any point
Won't happen if he always dies
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 17:39
I'll be crying happily if he ever admits to seeing the sea as blue at any point.
I have a weird feeling that'll be in the end of the final arc, like many other symbolic things. Because Ryukishi-sama has a fetish for symbolism
I have a weird feeling that'll be in the end of the final arc, like many other symbolic things. Because Ryukishi-sama has a fetish for symbolism
Please no!!
I already can see the scene. After evyerthing went all goody happy ending, the children go ogether to the beach and Battler or Maria (or maybe Jessi) complain that the sea doesn't look nice and is all grey. And then Kanon smiles for the first time and says
"Really...I think it's blue."
urgh the sappyness
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 17:47
Please no!!
I already can see the scene. After evyerthing went all goody happy ending, the children go ogether to the beach and Battler or Maria (or maybe Jessi) complain that the sea doesn't look nice and is all grey. And then Kanon smiles for the first time and says
"Really...I think it's blue."
urgh the sappyness
looool. Then again, we need a sappy ending to warm out hearts after seeing people getting their faces ripped off. :heh:
But I was wondering, is Kanon colorblind? For me the sea looked blue
When I watched it... I actually checked the color... its this color-
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1980/thesea.jpg
Which is definitely a shade of blue...
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 17:49
When I watched it... I actually checked the color... its this color-
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1980/thesea.jpg
Which is definitely a shade of blue...
....Wow, Kanon IS either colorblind or really emo. I've never heard of a case so bad they thought a blue sea was black! xDD
Mystearika
2009-08-06, 17:49
Please no!!
I already can see the scene. After evyerthing went all goody happy ending, the children go ogether to the beach and Battler or Maria (or maybe Jessi) complain that the sea doesn't look nice and is all grey. And then Kanon smiles for the first time and says
"Really...I think it's blue."
urgh the sappyness
it could be funny if it did end like that:)
I've never heard of a case so bad they thought a blue sea was black! xDD
THE SEA IS AS DARK AS HIS SOUL AND HEART MUHAHAHAHAHA
eh sorry I just snapped
it could be funny if it did end like that
Well~ you hear it hear first
But another thing. What are both doing at night at the share? <.< And who is actually sharing a room with Shannon (there were two beds in her room)
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 17:53
THE SEA IS AS DARK AS HIS SOULD AND HEART MUHAHAHAHAHA
Kitsu, I think you're secretly Beatrice, trolling us all. JK, :heh:
I see so many memes that could rise from this episode...
And who is actually sharing a room with Shannon (there were two beds in her room)
It's either:
1. Just DEEN art failing
2. One of the part-time maids
3. George *shot*
When I watched it... I actually checked the color... its this color-
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1980/thesea.jpg
Which is definitely a shade of blue...
...Still looks black to me OTL Haha I kid.
Wow. That orphanage must have effed him up real bad.
Seriously, now I'm curious to know what life was actually like in there. Because either Kanon's pre-orphanage life sucked the big one or the orphanage itself raped his happy meter. There is no way anyone ever could naturally be so depressed that their eyesight is jaded.
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 17:59
Seriously, now I'm curious to know what life was actually like in there. Because either Kanon's pre-orphanage life sucked the big one or the orphanage itself raped his happy meter. There is no way anyone ever could naturally be so depressed that their eyesight is jaded.
His hair is even a shade of gray! xDD
(You guys realize we've covered about 3 Pages with this discussion right? xD)
(You guys realize we've covered about 3 Pages with this discussion right? xD)
Klashikari is so gonna kill us ToT
Kitsu, I think you're secretly Beatrice, trolling us all. JK
I'll take that as a compliment
It's either:
1. Just DEEN art failing
2. One of the part-time maids
First thing that came to my midn was Kanon. But that would be strange right?
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 18:05
Klashikari is so gonna kill us ToT
I think Klashikari-san will make an exception, we're still on topic...I guess...
First thing that came to my midn was Kanon. But that would be strange right?
They really are the same person! xD That or INCEST IS WINCEST.
Mikachiru
2009-08-06, 18:06
...Still looks black to me OTL Haha I kid.
Wow. That orphanage must have effed him up real bad.
Seriously, now I'm curious to know what life was actually like in there. Because either Kanon's pre-orphanage life sucked the big one or the orphanage itself raped his happy meter. There is no way anyone ever could naturally be so depressed that their eyesight is jaded.
Maybe from where he's looking, it seems black. You know...the angle of reflection and stuff.:heh:
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 18:10
Maybe from where he's looking, it seems black. You know...the angle of reflection and stuff.:heh:
8| Cop-out. xD
Watching the subs, I found Jessica's friends hilarious. Kanon's so emo Jessica had to hide it by pretending he was her boyfriend :heh:
Vega Lyra
2009-08-06, 18:10
Forget the sea, Beato's troll face OWNED the episode.
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 18:12
Forget the sea, Beato's troll face OWNED the episode.
Beato was seriously awesome here. The Tea Party was awesome, her eating the chocolate like that.
And I've gotta applaud Deen for keeping the faces for this arc. They just look so goshdarn epic.
(I also think this discussion upped my postcount by at least 20...xD)
Vega Lyra
2009-08-06, 18:16
Beato was seriously awesome here. The Tea Party was awesome, her eating the chocolate like that.
And I've gotta applaud Deen for keeping the faces for this arc. They just look so goshdarn epic.
I also applaud Deen for staying faithful to the VN faces. :heh: :heh: All I can say is that I'm looking forward to the most crazy face of all time!
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 18:20
All I can say is that I'm looking forward to the most crazy face of all time!
You mean Maria hasn't already done it?!? :heh:
The preview for the next episode is so exciting...xD I'm so happy Rosa is still such a GREAT MOM in this anime! xD
Christen
2009-08-06, 19:13
For people who want to watch Jessica's scene with Tsurupettan:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7856844
It's amazingly clean.
For people who want to watch Jessica's scene with Tsurupettan:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7856844
It's amazingly clean.
lol I was actually planning to do this myself but this is even better XD
For people who want to watch Jessica's scene with Tsurupettan:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7856844
It's amazingly clean.
Is there a youtube version for those that don't have nicovideo accounts? ;_;
Just click on
大百科で調べる
And it should work
synaesthetic
2009-08-06, 19:22
You don't need an account on nico to watch that.
Wonderful, this episode reminded me of why I fell in love with Jessica x Kanon so much. (Yes, in that order.) Aside from my obvious bias for older woman-younger man dynamics, the way that Jessica wanted to reach out to Kanon so bad, only to fall short when he abruptly mentioned her feelings as if he was talking about the weather. As a woman, I wanted to smack him over the head, not over the rejection but how it was pretty clear Jessica affected him to some length and seeing him stomp on it before it could ever grow. Well, Kanon was tuned that way, for obvious reasons, but I look forward to the time when Jessica would smash down that brick wall he constructed, and make the OTP lovers happy. :heh: Beatrice x Battler had long since overtaken the top spot of OTP Umineko pairings for me, but Jessica x Kanon is a force to reckon with as well.
Isn't it great, how in Umineko pairings, women are always the ones to wear the pants in the relationship? :p
I look forward to the time when Jessica would smash down that brick wall he constructed, and make the OTP lovers happy
We all hope for that day, may it soon come so we won't die in frustration
Isn't it great, how in Umineko pairings, women are always the ones to wear the pants in the relationship?
Well I prefer when Jessi isn't in charge...I like her getting shy more. But maybe good smack from her would help him stop emo-ing around
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God bless you, it's just that many nicovideos are locked ^^
Lol, it's so much btter with tsurupettan
Well I prefer when Jessi isn't in charge...I like her getting shy more. But maybe good smack from her would help him stop emo-ing around
From what I've seen in the games,
getting killed lessens his emo behavior
Well I prefer when Jessi isn't in charge...I like her getting shy more. But maybe good smack from her would help him stop emo-ing around
Well, Jessica does have a few shy traits in her, and she can become pretty adorable at times. :p Heh, Kanon is pretty much in the role that you usually see female characters playing, where he's tied down with angst and burden and Jessica having the potential to free him of all that baggage. I haven't seen a reversed role like this since Kuze and Mizuki in EF-Tale of Melodies, it's pretty refreshing to see the guy playing the damsel in distress role for once (of course he isn't one) and the girl being the one to break through him. :p
And JessicaUshiromiya, I'm not sure if those game spoilers are permitted in this thread.
miroku2192
2009-08-06, 19:37
Okay...so i'm kinda confused.
What EXACTLY is episode 6? This whole...well everything is just confusing. She exists? She appears only before certain people/supposedly can only be seen by a few people etc.
OR She doesn't exist, but why would they all see the same image?
All of this...is just a bit weird to me >.> I AM supposed to feel this way right? haha
edit:
And i thought this whole "second" episode would almost be like an "alternate universe" or something...instead it sheds some light on the events before episode 1? So are all 4 episodes interconnected? It's not like the different universes of Higurashi?
If so...how would bernkastel help out?
second edit:
Does anyone feel that beatrice could fall in love with -> i guess battler -> in one of the later episodes? She DID blush rather cutely when Shannon said it was cute/funny that she was eating those treats...a rather cute blush hehe :P
June 1983
2009-08-06, 19:43
Well, you can interpret it in different ways:
1) The witch really exists, and only appears/can be seen to some people.
2) Kanon and Shannon are deluding themselves and/or being tricked by someone who isn't actually a witch.
3) Magic scenes/Beatrice scenes are like metaphors for what is really going on.
chronotrig
2009-08-06, 19:43
Okay...so i'm kinda confused.
What EXACTLY is episode 6? This whole...well everything is just confusing. She exists? She appears only before certain people/supposedly can only be seen by a few people etc.
OR She doesn't exist, but why would they all see the same image?
All of this...is just a bit weird to me >.> I AM supposed to feel this way right? haha
Yes, you definitely are supposed to feel that way:heh:
Just wait for the next 2 episodes. If they adapt them well, you should start getting answers to many of your questions (most of them, however, will stay unanswered for a while)...
What EXACTLY is episode 6? This whole...well everything is just confusing. She exists? She appears only before certain people/supposedly can only be seen by a few people etc.
Well, EPisode 6 s the background. What happened before the murders accoured. About the existence....I can't answer you that that's a question of believing
Volcanic
2009-08-06, 19:49
EP2 is basically the "relationship" arc, as you can plainly see. But it's also important, because it starts up the true "plot" of Umineko.
Christen
2009-08-06, 20:22
Well, you can interpret it in different ways:
1) The witch really exists, and only appears/can be seen to some people.
2) Kanon and Shannon are deluding themselves and/or being tricked by someone who isn't actually a witch.
3) Magic scenes/Beatrice scenes are like metaphors for what is really going on.
I personally view it as #3 as it makes the most sense. :heh:
plzd0ntkeelme
2009-08-06, 20:41
Great writing in this ep. I've seen lots of shows involving this type of forbidden relationship and yet this ep managed to glue my attention. Perhaps it's the brilliant writing in the character interaction department. Anyways, hopefully there'll be some murders next ep.
ProdigalSon
2009-08-06, 21:19
Is there a full version of the Dokkyun song floating around anywhere?
Is there a full version of the Dokkyun song floating around anywhere?
Not yet. Dokkyun is Jessica's character song so it'll come out with the first song cd. You'll have to wait until then.
MeoTwister5
2009-08-07, 00:52
I personally view it as #3 as it makes the most sense. :heh:
I subscribe to none of the above, for reasons I don't fully comprehend yet.
Rena Ryuuguu
2009-08-07, 08:19
well I finally push away my laziness and say something to the ep too .
there are many things I liked as for me as Kanon fan I loved his ( rather overreacted ) coldness and emo style here, but I hate the fact that they change Jessica's character so often and also what about the uniform???? I mean come on, i know it wasn't that a pretty Seifuku from the start but green and red????? DEEN WTH???????!!!!!!
I also missed the part about Kanon watching Kinzo while Beatrice is there too also I didn't liked the fact that Beatrice was laughing when Kinzo was adoring her instead being more a "little sad?" or feeling a little pity like it was in the game ?
about Jessica's song, well I hoped they would keep the tsurupettan song , but after all the new song might be better because of her voice actor >D
after all I give the episode 7points
An episode without Battler just doesn't feel the same. :heh:
This episode was still good overall, and it mostly cleared up what the previous episodes failed to convey properly.
8/10
risingstar3110
2009-08-07, 10:22
Watched this ep properly with sub at last.....
.....and i don't know why, but the pace is kind of weird (even when most ppl seems to thik it's all right)......
Before this, Beatrice was a mystery being who existence is unknown of. But Ep 6 have her on screen for too many occasions that it feels kind of strange.... Felt like waked up one morning and see alien became part of Earthling's society...... xD
DEEN failed to impress me with KanonxJess and ShannonxGeorge relationships. I means they all lovely but failed to get my attention =/
The episode was kind of pointing to Beatrice and screaming "Here this bitch did all the murders in ep 1....". Real effort to make me drop my guard there........(I knows it plan to throw something big into my face soon.....). Still It's successful somehow because all the mystery in Ep I was faded by now...
Touhou's cosplays were a real surprised.... I knows it try to be realistic or trueful to the NV. But it's kind of disturbing seeing the fat Alice and that tall Aya.... Part of me want to see more Mari-jessa, but another just wish it will soon end. Can't even remember what Kanon was thinking during that concert since my brain was busy ramming itself into my inner skull wall T___T'
What else.....
Ah yeah... the 2nd portray of Beato was the best thing i see this episode. That little change put me into the caution mode because i thought some new character and clues will be introduced into the OP. It didn't... but oh well.... it still works ^^
PS: This episode is weakest in my ranking...... For me it was 6<1<2,3<4,5
thx for all the explanations here
at first i thought this series is more like murder cases that can be solved with scientific answers...
maximilianjenus
2009-08-07, 10:44
It can still be , if you think that magic is a methapor. Like, a lot fo people think that "beatrice" from the current scenes is actually jessica and that also explains why kanon is so angry at jessica, because she is setting up shannon for a FAIL relationship with george.
Just a question: eva telling of shannon really happens when george is 21 and shannon 14 ?
8| Cop-out. xD
Watching the subs, I found Jessica's friends hilarious. Kanon's so emo Jessica had to hide it by pretending he was her boyfriend :heh:
Actually they skipped an few scenes that made a point of jessica having already told her friends that she had a cute boyfriend, so she had to ask kanon to play her boyfriend part ofr the festival, it was apparently a lie that jessica had been mantaining for quite a while.
THE SEA IS AS DARK AS HIS SOUL AND HEART But another thing. What are both doing at night at the share? <.< And who is actually sharing a room with Shannon (there were two beds in her room)
Kanon, obviously.
Now about my impression, the chapter was good overall, though they skipped the fish joke which was the highlight of george and shanon's date for me. Tsurupettan was not there which is good but the song they put was not an improvement at all, I would give this Episode a 9/10 but since it has no battler I will give it a 0/10.
This episode was still good overall, and it mostly cleared up what the previous episodes failed to convey properly.
It didnt 'fail to convey properly'. It did exactly what it was supposed to do : serve as an introductory arc that gives you a glimpse of the overall picture before the future arcs take over and dive into more detail.
thx for all the explanations here
at first i thought this series is more like murder cases that can be solved with scientific answers...
If you believe Battler, then they can be solved like that. Despite how Beatrice has shown herself to people in the real world there is still no solid evidence that she is the murderer. I'm pretty sure we worked out plausible ways for humans to have done each of the murders back in the Ep. I-V thread (although I no longer suspect Maria had as much of a hand in them as I had).
i'm in the other category too.
She can exist but not be a witch.
At least we know what happened to the shrine in ep. 1. Setting up those 3 like that is so evil. :heh:
thx for all the explanations here
at first i thought this series is more like murder cases that can be solved with scientific answers...
Your definitely right on one thing: this isn't your usual murder case story. I tend to think that the "murder case" is merely the background of the "real" story.
It didnt 'fail to convey properly'. It did exactly what it was supposed to do : serve as an introductory arc that gives you a glimpse of the overall picture before the future arcs take over and dive into more detail.
I'm quite sure that there were elements in the previous Episode that were cut, such as Jessica's asthma and the relationships between some characters. You're right, though, since nothing overly major was actually left out during the previous episodes and cleared up in this one.
Anyway, I'm quite surprised that Beatrice regarded Kinzo so mockingly instead of like in the first letter where she referred to him as "Kinzo-sama". This makes me pity Kinzo even more...
chronotrig
2009-08-07, 15:02
Actually, I like what they did with the asthma here. It wasn't really needed in the first arc, though it might have been better if they'd included it. As a way to save time though, there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting off that explanation until this episode.
If Umineko has lacked anything so far, it has been the development of most the characters themselves. So in turn, this episode was a nice start of adressing that problem for me as a development episode. Highly enjoyed it and I can see the mindrape coming as I'm finding it more difficult to convince myself that Beatrice doesn't exist (what with her human form appearing in the real world), unless that was just Kanon/Shannon's imagination that I just witnessed. :eyespin:
well, didn't R07 stated in his official site that this is a challenge to the readers "how long can you stand in your ground that witches don't exist" (or something to that effect)?
judging from the content of this episode, the loop holes had been covered up one by one, as in it's harder to find a counter argument against magic. I will enjoy the belief-crushing experience that will come later on, and hopefully R07 will not disappoint me.
Becomes an interesting set of questions: Does Beatrice exist? Is she a witch? Did she murder all those people?
Archon_Wing
2009-08-08, 02:05
The show took a detour back in time and gave an interesting look at the characters' relationship. Emo Kanon was just lol and hard to take seriously. I was left wondering of the relevance of this episode to the whole story, and it's keeping me watching and wondering of the nature of Beatrice's abilities. I'd rate it as an 8/ 10. This is a good direction to take the series in, as before I felt no attachment to most of the characters; they just happened to be people that died. ;)
edit: The cosplay was pretty funny.
Ah, much better than the first five. Better balance and pacing... and I guess now that the intro is over, it's the "relationship" arc this time. I liked this episode. They're actually starting to show more realistic emotions. They seem more believable.
-Shannon is so cute!
And does anyone have a hard time seeing George without imagining he's Tohno Shiki or Mikiya? Same voice actor, same personality, and same looks geez. I love this pairing, but they'll probably get ripped apart like Eva and her husband. Bleh.
-Eva's back, and her voice is still sexy as ever! So why did she have to ruin it with that nasty jab at Shannon? :(
As far as I'm concerned, she's Beatrice's twin. Similar looks, similar voice, and they both have that Lol I troll you attitude. I like these two.
-Kanon... what's your problem? ._. Poor Jessica.
Also, I'm finally convinced that Kanon's actually a guy. I read several people referring to him as "he" but didn't believe it until after he died in the first arc. I always thought they were the Hisui and Kohaku of Umineko.
Actually, I like what they did with the asthma here. It wasn't really needed in the first arc, though it might have been better if they'd included it. As a way to save time though, there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting off that explanation until this episode. No need to explain everything at once. Of course the VN readers will be picky about it but I felt it turned out well for the anime. Makes the audience think "Ahh, Jessica has asthma" instead of "Lol introduce blond girl with asthma."
vandakiara
2009-08-08, 03:26
^ Lol I actually never thought of George as Mikiya... not to mention him as shiki is just... weird :p
and yeah, the asthma issue was handled quite well - it didn't need to show up in the 1sr arc - and I laughed when it appeared here because of what was happening :p nice job DEEN ;)
Kokuhaku
2009-08-08, 04:46
It was really carried out well.
I really like Beato stuffing herself some biscuits. Was very appealing.
Well, before I was wondering why there was Touhou influence in the pics, but now I know why. XD
Hmmm a 5/10 for me it was not very entertaining than the others episodes .
Well , The Romance between "Tools" and "Humans" .
So Shannon broke the mirrror then Beatrice got her powers back . Its her fault lol . Well , she wanted a true love with George .
Hmmm , its bother me . Who are Shannon and Kanon ? Just "tools" or they have some family etc ... and work in the island ? i mean , if they don't like their life they should leave ...
Want more Battler vs Beatrice :p
Unknown Soldier
2009-08-08, 07:02
I could tell you what Shannon and Kanon really are but you really, really should have been able to figure out what they were just from what you are told in this episode:
(1) Only they can see Beatrice.
(2) They are furniture and did not start out as human. They became human when they gained human emotions.
(3) They are effectively enslaved by some power greater than themselves and have no free will and cannot escape from the island.
(4) Beatrice is trying to help them fall in love with Ushiromiya children in order to break out of her own imprisonment.
Well, have you figured out what they are yet?
Paranoia833
2009-08-08, 08:26
I could tell you what Shannon and Kanon really are but you really, really should have been able to figure out what they were just from what you are told in this episode:
(1) Only they can see Beatrice.
(2) They are furniture and did not start out as human. They became human when they gained human emotions.
(3) They are effectively enslaved by some power greater than themselves and have no free will and cannot escape from the island.
(4) Beatrice is trying to help them fall in love with Ushiromiya children in order to break out of her own imprisonment.
Well, have you figured out what they are yet?
I think so Brain... but this time can I pour the bucket of water over Beatrice? :p
...
So they're both high and hallucinating then? So when do we get to find out about the orphanage they both come from? I've got a few theories about that, but no real evidence to go on.
(2) They are furniture and did not start out as human. They became human when they gained human emotions.
I never understood this part. Weren't they human when they were in the orphanage, before going to Rokkenjima?
Beruko08
2009-08-08, 08:36
I never understood this part. Weren't they human when they were in the orphanage, before going to Rokkenjima?
I think he meant about their way of thinking, not the body.
Obviously, they're robots. Just look at how Shannon's arms move when Beatrice passes her the brooch...
Obviously, they're robots. Just look at how Shannon's arms move when Beatrice passes her the brooch...
Yup, Kanon already revealed that in the preview so I'm unsure why you guys are actually questioning it. xDDD
MeoTwister5
2009-08-08, 09:25
Robots with breasts are awesome.
"You cannot resist us Mr. Powers."
"You cannot resist us Mr. Powers."
Oh no lol Now I have that image of Battler as Powers in my head
maximilianjenus
2009-08-08, 09:36
Kanon is obviously a girl, otherwise I don't see why would she reject to become the toy of her master, after all she is just furniture.
Deathkillz
2009-08-08, 10:09
Hmmm a 5/10 for me it was not very entertaining than the others episodes .
Well , The Romance between "Tools" and "Humans" .
So Shannon broke the mirrror then Beatrice got her powers back . Its her fault lol . Well , she wanted a true love with George .
Hmmm , its bother me . Who are Shannon and Kanon ? Just "tools" or they have some family etc ... and work in the island ? i mean , if they don't like their life they should leave ...
Want more Battler vs Beatrice :p
Since I haven't rewatched with the subs yet I'm not sure if the subbers used the word "tools" to describe Shannon and Kanon, but really, it should be "furniture" instead. They are servants and in this household Kinzo has already drilled into them that they are nothing but furniture that can only serve their masters an nothing else. Falling in love with a human is something furniture can't do in a literal sense and this is why Kanon rejects Jessica so severely. Shannon on the other hand has given into Beatrice's temptation and "tries" to become human.
And it should have already been noted that Shannon and Kanon owes Kinzo big time so it isn't like they can just pack up and leave. Plus the fact that they are both very loyal...right to the point of considering themselves as furniture. You can see that Gohda isn't like that at all...
Kanon is obviously a girl, otherwise I don't see why would she reject to become the toy of her master, after all she is just furniture.
I hope you are joking there...I know the voice is bad and all but...:rolleyes:
I hope you are joking there...I know the voice is bad and all but...
I think the voice improved a bit in the last episode...or I got used to it or the lack of his girly uniform.
Beruko08
2009-08-08, 11:18
Well, I don't think you could mistake his voice as a female character after watching Higurashi and Maria Holic ... Even me mistook him as girl at first when I was hearing there was going to be a release of Umineko Ep 1 game.
Well, I don't think you could mistake his voice as a female character after watching Higurashi and Maria Holic
You can if you watched Negima
Vicious108
2009-08-08, 11:25
Pretty good episode. It's nice that they're focusing on Kanon in this arc since I found him to be one of the most interesting characters initially.
Seeing Beatrice again so early was a real shocker though. But cool. Oh and the preview for next episode... simply hilarious.
So they're robots ... Damn new type .
-JK-
darkmaster074
2009-08-08, 13:36
Kanon is a boy or girl i dont know
Kanon is a boy or girl i dont know
A boy. Seriously do you think jessica would openly ask a girl to pretend to be her boyfriend and ontop on that fall in love with her? Naah~, also he was called "shota" and is mostly adressed with -kun. Batller says "he knows how boys this age are" (said that in VN about Kanon after being welcomed and rejected rather rude (Battler kinda tried to make friends with him)
Okay that's what common sense tells us...but common sense never apllies to Umineko so...he s probaly a girl xDDDD
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