To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Character Discussion - Shirai "Jealousy" Kuroko

[monir]

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The soul purpose of this thread is to discuss every nook and crannie involving Kuroko. We talk Kuroko, Kuroko, and then some more Kuroko.

The only rules that applies to this thread is to have fun with everyone else. At no time can anyone cross the personal boundaries where another poster would be made uncomfortable in any manner. Please show respect to each others opinion.

Have lots of fun!

[Miraluka]

Oh Monir, why? why!!! ;O;
This thread shouldn't have "character discussion" in the title, put Fun discussion or something like that please.... looks like certain mod needs to be punished =_=+

[monir]

lol. how about simply Shirai "Jealousy" Kuroko then? If someone can come up with an even wittier thread title, I shall be more than happy to make the appropriate change.

[Miraluka]

Well is better now
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[Master Assassin]

... Looks like "Jealousy Of Shirai Kuroko" is becoming of something I'd love thinking deep upon.

Especially when it involves a certain Level 0 Esper named Kamijou Touma. :heh:

Just to what extent does she... uh, admire her senior, Misaka Mikoto? And just to what extent can she keep this "jealousy" in check? Of course, she knows Mikoto's best interests at heart but I think there's more personal stuff she needs to know of herself.

[Falkor]

the word jealousy fits her surprisingly well. :P twin-tails, sexy underwear and yuri preferences makes her one of my favorite characters.

I didn't quite like her voice at first, but it has been growing on me (together with her character); plus her antics are something you can't help but enjoy. somehow I've seen myself rooting for her evil plans to succeed, even if you unconsciously know that it's not going to go very smoothly---she needs to try harder! :P.

[ReddyRedWolf]

... Looks like "Jealousy Of Shirai Kuroko" is becoming of something I'd love thinking deep upon.

Especially when it involves a certain Level 0 Esper named Kamijou Touma. :heh:

Just to what extent does she... uh, admire her senior, Misaka Mikoto? And just to what extent can she keep this "jealousy" in check? Of course, she knows Mikoto's best interests at heart but I think there's more personal stuff she needs to know of herself.

Well she can't accept the reality Mikoto likes Touma.:heh:

Though there was potential for hijinks when she allowed Touma in their dorm room. One boy, one girl in a girls dorm.

Kuroko made it out with her life on that one. She was like... Why wont my powers work?!

Its fascinating that Touma can't raise Kuruko's flags. :heh:

[McMilk]

Best thread ever.

I found myself to like her more and more everytime I watch Railgun. Eventually I found out that the reason is because of her jealousy (= humor). Therefore, this is the best thread ever.

[Dean_the_Young]

I think Kuroko is most interesting when she isn't super-over-exagerated obsessively jealous about Misaka. Whenever she's most 'funny' in the anime, she's the most boring and stale, or at least cliche and not amusing. Like McMilk's user image at the moment: not amusing at all, in the same way that anime fanservice is hardly erotic.

On the other hand, subtle jealousy/obsession is more amusing in its own right, and highlights Kuroko's immaturity; like when Touma learns that she sleeps in Misaka's bed in secret. Her overall, non-exagerated, jealousy is an interesting character diminsion, especially in regards to her age as Misaka's junior (when Misaka herself is still pretty young and not developed).

I wouldn't have much good to say about Kuroko in general (her never having a great point in Index anime), except that I read the chapter of Railgun where she's forced to fight another esper, and has a hard time of it. I saw some things I respected in that: dedication, responsibility, thoughtfulness, and selflessness. Many of the same things, ironically, that Misaka admires in Touma.

Kuroko is young, and immature. Probably too immature to really appreciate what Misaka means to her in anything but a childish way. And it's that part of her that's the most repulsive. But if, when, she matures and grows up mentally, she'll be a fine psychic, and might stand an honest chance in her own right.

[MrTerrorist]

(looks at Kuroko's picture above):twitch:
I prefer the pic where Kuroko looks like a smugsnake rather than a psycho since its creepy for some.

[Dean_the_Young]

(looks at Kuroko's picture above):twitch:
I prefer the pic where Kuroko looks like a smugsnake rather than a psycho since its creepy for some.
Totally agreed.

Watching middle-schoolers try and look smug is hilarious in its own right.

[MrTerrorist]

Totally agreed.

Watching middle-schoolers try and look smug is hilarious in its own right.

My favorite smugsnake look of hers was in Index episode 21 when she "captured" Sherry Cromwell and the one when she did that peculiar laugh when she & Mikoto encounter Index, Touma & Hyōka in episode 22.

For something cuter, i like the one where she was lying on Mikoto's pillow in episode 11.

[Dean_the_Young]

And you know what those have in common?

Zero anime hyperbole expressions/actions. Which makes them better. Index as a whole doesn't seem to work well with anime visual tropes in general.

[Cyrus17]

Some info on Kuroko's special manner of speech here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2755689#post2755689

I'll quote:
I believe you are referring to her habit of ending every setence in ますの (masuno)/　ですの (desuno).

In general, Kuroko speaks in a more polite fashion than is normal for the relationships of the people with whom she is speaking. I don't know how you know about Japanese, but there are basically three levels of politeness: short-form, teinei (masu/desu-form), and keigo+humble. Kuroku pretty much never uses short-form, with which you would generally speak to friends and family, using instead more formal language.

Nodesu/ndesu/no/nda is a sentence-ending grammatical form with a variety of implications, such as showing explanation and giving emotional emphasis. Kuroku makes excessive use of this grammatical form, specifically "no." No is a variety of ndesu usually used by women (and children) when speaking casually, added to the end of short-form. However, when speaking in teinei as Kuroko usually does, it is normal to use short-form + ndesu. This is both polite and neutral. She instead adds no to the end of masu/desu, which is very unusual for a normal person. (and drives me crazy listening to her) As someone suggested, this may give her a lady-like quality to her speech I guess, since no is mainly a female-ending. She also uses the sentence-ending particle wa, which is also feminine and not irregular, but not as often as she says nantoka desuno, nantoka shimasuno.

So in summary, her speech is polite, feminine, and very weird for a high school student.
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Kuroko's use of keigo seems to be derived from the fact that she goes to an ojou-sama school, tokiwadai, meaning she basicly is a rich "high-class" girl, so her speech pattern is meant to reflect that. It's part of the whole ojou-sama image that Uiharu has such a fetisch for. In the first couple of episodes we get to hear other tokiwadai students speaking and they also use keigo. In fact, the only tokiwadai student I can think of that doesn't follow this speech-pattern is Mikoto who speaks more like a normal student would.

Also, Kuroko's (over)use of no at the end of most of her sentences seems to be a personal quirk of hers. Adding the same particle at the end of most sentences is fairly common in characters that are meant to be cute/funny.
:)

[Patriot's Blade]

Though there was potential for hijinks when she allowed Touma in their dorm room. One boy, one girl in a girls dorm.

Kuroko made it out with her life on that one. She was like... Why wont my powers work?!

Its fascinating that Touma can't raise Kuruko's flags. :heh:

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Kuroko: "oh, Touma-chan, please massage my back with your Imagine Breaker while ojou-sama is still not home yet"

Touma: "no, i mean this thing only happens in a doujin version of ourselves!!"

[Shinji103]

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Kuroko: "oh, Touma-chan, please massage my back with your Imagine Breaker while ojou-sama is still not home yet"

Touma: "no, i mean this thing only happens in a doujin version of ourselves!!"I'd buy that for a dollar. :heh:

[Master Assassin]

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Kuroko: "oh, Touma-chan, please massage my back with your Imagine Breaker while ojou-sama is still not home yet"

Touma: "no, i mean this thing only happens in a doujin version of ourselves!!"

... Unfortunately for Touma, the Rules of the Internets will always state that there will be ALWAYS a doujin of that. Of what he said.

Guess we have the doujinshi-kas to be thankful for our weirdest(?) fantasies... :rolleyes:

[Miraluka]

My favorite smugsnake look of hers was in Index episode 21 when she "captured" Sherry Cromwell and the one when she did that peculiar laugh when she & Mikoto encounter Index, Touma & Hyōka in episode 22.

For something cuter, i like the one where she was lying on Mikoto's pillow in episode 11.

Her smile reminded me the style of Hayate no Gotoku smiles :heh:.
Kuroko is a good character when JCStaff don't make exagerate her obsession with her onee-sama.

About the novels, I'm really waiting for her time to shine like the main character in Vol.8 fighting the other teleporter girl :D.

[tsunade666]

beats me. I like both. The exaggerating part and the mild delusion part. Both are well depict for her. Though the old lady seiyu for her kinda fits her but when they show the flashback. Having the same voice well.......... its not right in tons of way for me.

The doujin of that one will be number 1. Though I hate to say it but I will say it. It just won't spark and interest for me. Having touma and kuroko. She should just stay with her oneesama.

OR JUST CREATE A YURI HAREM FOR HER!!!! :D

[SaintessHeart]

Is this thread an excuse to discuss her yuri inclinations? :D

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Kuroko: "oh, Touma-chan, please massage my back with your Imagine Breaker while ojou-sama is still not home yet"

Touma: "no, i mean this thing only happens in a doujin version of ourselves!!"

Ironically, she is the one with a broken imagination. But I bought her cuteness on that bed anyway.

I think her speech pattern is meant to cater for her high-strung attitude as a Tokiwadai girl. Elegant and snobbish, but willing to enslave herself to the Railgun. Similarly, her name is an oxymoron as is her character : Kuroko (Dark Child) Shiraishi (White Well).

[MeisterBabylon]

Yet she isn't tsundere... Though if she had yandere tendencies I'd completely applaud her dicotomy. :p

Thread is made of win; too bad I didn't know what the original title was... <_<

[DJ Trouble]

Kuroko is young, and immature. Probably too immature to really appreciate what Misaka means to her in anything but a childish way. And it's that part of her that's the most repulsive. But if, when, she matures and grows up mentally, she'll be a fine psychic, and might stand an honest chance in her own right.
Yes.

I'd be way more interested in her character if they were playing her desire for mikachu straight instead of playing it for laughs. If she made regularly aggressive attempts that actually stood a chance instead of overly aggressive sexual advances that would fail even if mikachu was interested, I'd find this so much more interesting. Redundancy.

[Claies]

OR JUST CREATE A YURI HAREM FOR HER!!!! :D

Idea of the month, right there. I'm serious.

Yet she isn't tsundere... Though if she had yandere tendencies I'd completely applaud her dicotomy. :p

Never mind. We can have two ideas for the month, right?

I guess we agree that Kuroko is yet another bed of currently untapped character development potential, not necessarily as much on herself but as a catalyst for everyone else.

[tsunade666]

a yandere kuroko is scary. Just think of what will happen to touma........... I'm picturing persona 4 crime scene here. With her teleporter ability.

Okay cast for the yuri harem. The only cast I can think of now his the biri biri, saten and uihara. Maybe we can add some more but that's the only girls I know that are close to her.
.............. hmmm an older senpai of judgment can add to the harem.

[Ashaman]

You could also have that girl from episode 1. the one with the flag. any number of The Sisters as well.

[tsunade666]

kuruko will grab them or rather kidnapped them if she found them out in the loose.
Episode 1? what the old pyro boy? no way its a yuri harem. NO GUYS ALLOWED ><

[Ashaman]

sorry, meant fan. the girl who told kuroko she was going to be the new toki Ace during the power scan. she was also attacked by the eyebrow girl. i think her name was Kongo, or something? and now that I mention it the eyebrow girl coud go in the harem as well.

[Nya~n]

sorry, meant fan. the girl who told kuroko she was going to be the new toki Ace during the power scan. she was also attacked by the eyebrow girl. i think her name was Kongo, or something? and now that I mention it the eyebrow girl coud go in the harem as well.

Nah, didn't eyebrows girl already enlisted into Saten's camp?

[aldw]

I do like the Touma/Kuroko dynamic, they seem to have a nice professional respect in some ways to each other, and if it weren't for the Misaka aspect they'd probably get along swimmingly.

[ReddyRedWolf]

I do like the Touma/Kuroko dynamic, they seem to have a nice professional respect in some ways to each other, and if it weren't for the Misaka aspect they'd probably get along swimmingly.

You mean Touma will play the Kuroko route and raise her flags.

Thanked goodness it was Mikoto who saves Kuroko or Kuroko will be the one stalking Touma.

If it was Touma who saved Kuroko as a kid from the robber she'll be seeking for him to join Judgement. Unlike with Mikoto.

[Claies]

You mean Touma will play the Kuroko route and raise her flags.

Thanked goodness it was Mikoto who saves Kuroko or Kuroko will be the one stalking Touma.

If it was Touma who saved Kuroko as a kid from the robber she'll be seeking for him to join Judgement. Unlike with Mikoto.

Actually, how did Kuroko become aware that Mikoto was the one who saved her? In that chapter all I saw was Mikoto smiling and walking away without revealing herself. After that, Kuroko had the mad reversal from calling her an elitist to Mikoto being her...everything.

[tsunade666]

That's right. The anime haven't revealed it yet. And either the manga. Maybe the novel has the answer. Can someone answer it? its really a vital part on the start of the kuroko flag. What kind of meeting does kuroko and misaka have?............... wait I'm not sure though did the anime revealed already their first meeting? Its just the railgun to me has lots of filler filling so I mostly forgot what's happening...... sorry :D

Well oh well. If touma DID trigger the kuroko flag route. It will be hell. Just imagine. A never ending bite attack by a nun and lightning boltz on daily process. If you add a stalker their............ even if his semi immortal and has the help of frog face. His hit points will reach negative levels in no time.

[Ashaman]

I suppose she could have figured it out, she did have a big bolt of electricity zoom across her face. That is a good question, how did they meet?

If Touma started raising Kuroko flags, you just know she would try to go for the threesome route

[SaintessHeart]

Careful. If Touma raises the Kuroko flag, she would want to create her own bi-harem. ;)

[coderlan]

I've watched the first episode, but why she's been voiced like that?

The actor's voice seems like an old woman... They could have find better...

[LaoED]

I've watched the first episode, but why she's been voiced like that?

The actor's voice seems like an old woman... They could have find better...

She was like that in TAMNI season one.

If Touma does in any case raises her flag, let's hope she doesn't pull a Yukari from Rosario + Vampire.

[tsunade666]

yukari from R + V and kuroko are totally different in many ways.

That witch doesn't do aggressive and hardcore erotic stuff.

If kuroko aims for threesome. I'm seeing a pool of blood from touma...... Kuroko alone is enough to make him knockout of nosebleed. Reminds me of index and compare index and kuroko. Its heavens gap.

KUROKO ALL THE WAY! I like the biharem but still no beats the YURI HAREM! but can it be considered harem if she's the one doing the work? I mean harem is the one that's many to one right? not one to many?

[Dean_the_Young]

...she's a child. A middle-schooler, and not even a almost-highschool-'mature' like Misaka, but just plain middle-schooler. She hasn't even finished puberty; there's nothing either hardcore or erotic about her.

If Touma desires someone with the figure of a thirteen year old boy, he'd go after thirteen year old boys.

[tsunade666]

if you touch her you got one way ticket to jail. Though I doubt if you will be the one touching or her.

Touma prefer older types. I think. Like he always said about brats here brats their that doesn't even have a mature charm yet.

[Goldsmith]

I don't think Touma will ever raise her flag, the "Onee-sama" flag closes all other routes.

[Ryo K]

JUDGEMENTO-Desuno...!!!!!!!!

[tsunade666]

That's why we are assuming if touma ever trigger the impossible flag. Well We can keep up being delusional but I will still with my word.

YURI HAREM FOR KUROKO!

[xKeen]

Kuroko's [naughty] voice in episode 7 while hugging misaka is <3

[tsunade666]

Hugging? I love the eye sparkling! WOOT WOOT! and finally a squash by the dorm manager :D LOL

[Ashaman]

I absolutly loved her voice when she accidently had some of that love potion in ep 2. It just cracked me up.

[Miyuki-ism]

She just makes the weirdest and cutest voices sometimes.

[Patriot's Blade]

She just makes the weirdest and cutest voices sometimes.

& questionble ones too, oh snap!! that moan... :uhoh:

[Miyuki-ism]

That's what I meant by weird, but somehow I find it cute too, sue me. XD

[tsunade666]

is someone sue you then its the best to sue us all. She is just adorable. Her stupid antics makes up most of the railgun world

[Tyss]

Her voice is my cellphone ring tone really really nice way to wake up XD

[r3ani]

Her voice is my cellphone ring tone really really nice way to wake up XD

I could just imagine waking up to "ONEE-SAMAAAAAAAAAAA!"

:uhoh:

[Shinji103]

Her voice is my cellphone ring tone really really nice way to wake up XDSeriously? :heh:

Dang, I wish I knew how to make anime sounds and songs into cellphone ring tones.......

[tsunade666]

It could be rip by some software that can be download from the internet. Like the sound editing tools or just split the audio and video then after splitting used a sound editing tool. Or just record it directly by your cellphone but I doubt its a good one.

I'm imagining a nightmare. Just thinking a ring up bell by ONEEESAMA NE NE ONEESAMA!

[Miyuki-ism]

Lol, I would rather my Alarm clock go, "ONEEEEEEEEEEE SAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAA" than the annoying sound it makes now.

[coffeebreak]

well... wake-up alarms are always awful... no one deserves to hear them T.T

But, using it as a ringtone sounds like fun!

*ONEEEEEE SAMAAAAAA!!!!!!ONEEEEEE SAMAAAAAA!!!!!!ONEEEEEE SAMAAAAAA!!!!!!*
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"Oh, I think it's mine. Excuse-me... just a sec. Hallo?"

[SaintessHeart]

If anyone complains in my workplace, it is both of yours' fault.

[tsunade666]

don't worry. Imagine it ringing in a midst of lesson. I hope the prof can be VERRRRY understandable.

[Shiki Nanaya]

There are a lot of girls with different personality, characteristics, and traits that perhaps is stereotypical in Touma's harem, and you could say Touma has captured the heart of one of the most difficult to do which IMO is Kaori due to her status and of course personality. Though he already has lots of different girls mixed as part of his harem, who do you think is the hardest or difficult girl for Touma to possibly make her fall for him? (well except the girls that are his enemies like that Sheryl Cromwell, etc.)

I think that the most hardest one and perhaps interesting to see is if Touma can make Shirai Kuroko fall for him. Wouldn't that be interesting? That would be one hell of challenge lol. Especially since Kuroko treats him as a love rival for Misaka. The reason why I thought this was interesting, because I have seen lots of male harem leads with different type of girls in his harem, but I have yet to see one with a really hardcore yuri girl (like Kuroko) being converted into part of the harem. I just thought that besides from Misaka-imouto being a rival to Mikoto, imagine if the obsessed Kuroko would fall for the guy. I can just imagine her stalking him all day lol.

Also I do believe that there is a possibility, well because of Touma's strong sense of justice which of course Kuroko admires, which is why she loves her onee-sama. So if Kuroko would see Touma saving someone or in action, especially if Touma is the one to save her, then that flag will raise. I can just imagine Kuroko actually having a better chance than Misaka because she is way too forward and persistent.

[SaintessHeart]

don't worry. Imagine it ringing in a midst of lesson. I hope the prof can be VERRRRY understandable.

Not my superiors. The whole office was looking at me when I played it from my Ipod as a test.

[hinakatbklyn]

A small office, and they knew where it came from, it would be humiliating but no big deal. A professional business (big and small) on the other hand, that would be a problem if they didn't know who or what it was especially if the volume was up. :uhoh: (A ringtone with Kuroko's voice would get annoying very fast, I can see it already).

[tsunade666]

I think that the most hardest one and perhaps interesting to see is if Touma can make Shirai Kuroko fall for him. Wouldn't that be interesting? That would be one hell of challenge lol. Especially since Kuroko treats him as a love rival for Misaka. The reason why I thought this was interesting, because I have seen lots of male harem leads with different type of girls in his harem, but I have yet to see one with a really hardcore yuri girl (like Kuroko) being converted into part of the harem. I just thought that besides from Misaka-imouto being a rival to Mikoto, imagine if the obsessed Kuroko would fall for the guy. I can just imagine her stalking him all day lol.

Also I do believe that there is a possibility, well because of Touma's strong sense of justice which of course Kuroko admires, which is why she loves her onee-sama. So if Kuroko would see Touma saving someone or in action, especially if Touma is the one to save her, then that flag will raise. I can just imagine Kuroko actually having a better chance than Misaka because she is way too forward and persistent.

First > <
its a 100% sure. That the level of difficulty to trigger the flag for kuroko is off the scale and it sure will be interesting. IT WILL FLIP INDEX UPSIDE DOWN

I can't imagine kuroko falling in love with touma and touma wouldn't end up going out with kuroko for the end of the day or maybe it wouldn't even last for an day or hour. That it will end with a date and touma going out with kuroko.....

I imagine him dying from the torture of kuroko........ the mental damage kuroko can inflict on touma wouldn't be repaired by frog faced.

And lastly even if kuroko did see touma in his knight mode. I doubt that it will make kuroko's heart beat any faster. Believe me that every cell in her body is shouting............

ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-SAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :heh::heh:

Not my superiors. The whole office was looking at me when I played it from my Ipod as a test.


................. I salute your courage my nakama :heh::heh::heh:

[aldw]

First > <
its a 100% sure. That the level of difficulty to trigger the flag for kuroko is off the scale and it sure will be interesting. IT WILL FLIP INDEX UPSIDE DOWN

I can't imagine kuroko falling in love with touma and touma wouldn't end up going out with kuroko for the end of the day or maybe it wouldn't even last for an day or hour. That it will end with a date and touma going out with kuroko.....

I imagine him dying from the torture of kuroko........ the mental damage kuroko can inflict on touma wouldn't be repaired by frog faced.

And lastly even if kuroko did see touma in his knight mode. I doubt that it will make kuroko's heart beat any faster. Believe me that every cell in her body is shouting............

ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-SAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :heh::heh:




................. I salute your courage my nakama :heh::heh::heh:

After reading the latest translated novel chapters I do have to say that there's more potential to Kuroko/Touma than one would likely have thought otherwise... :heh:

[Claies]

After reading the latest translated novel chapters I do have to say that there's more potential to Kuroko/Touma than one would likely have thought otherwise... :heh:

The novel keeps giving me conflicting reasons as to whether I should actually read it. I like it that Mikoto gets more coverage later on, but harems seriously turn me off. :heh:

So I'm hoping Kuroko/Touma never happens, and Kuroko only happens to like some other guy, if she manages to do a 180 on her sexual orientation.

[tsunade666]

Don't worry kuroko and touma pairing wouldn't happen and if it did happen then its the end of the to aru verse.

And believe me it doesn't center on the harem or rather the action will make you forget that their is harem to begin with and touma doesn't like any girl in particular.

[aldw]

Don't worry kuroko and touma pairing wouldn't happen and if it did happen then its the end of the to aru verse.

And believe me it doesn't center on the harem or rather the action will make you forget that their is harem to begin with and touma doesn't like any girl in particular.

Well, it would be a breath of fresh air storywise if that ever did happen as an official pairing (Kuroko/Touma). :D

[Magin]

Kuroko/Touma= the universe was just divided by zero...

anyways, Kuroko is one of those I have mixed feelings about. She's not that bad of a character... but once she goes into "must seduce Onee-sama at all costs" mode (which is about 80~95% of the time), then I want someone to find a sniper and take her out before she uses her power. This is probably because A) I'm one of the few guys that actually is against yuri and B) I'm a MisakaxTouma fan all the way

[tsunade666]

...................I'M A ALL LOVE LOVE YURI FAN THOUGH I LIKE TOUMA AND MIKOTO PAIRING! BUT I LIKE MOST IS ITSUWA :D :D :D

kuroko isn't really all that bad and her potential fighting is high. Like in the latest episode in railgun we just see some of her awesome moves but the same time we just also saw another of her weird antics with the stripper lady....... I love to see saten doing kuroko's stuff :heh:

[HyperCube]

The way in which Kuroko talks is absolutely lovely! :D

i want to meet the voice actress 8D

[Wandering_Youth]

I used to like Misaka a bit when I saw Index, but after watching Railgun, Kuroko is the number one most entertaining and hilarious character in the anime. The reason is because her character is so exaggerated and extreme. It's a trip watching Kuroko doing her yuri antics and let's also not forget it's also because of the seiyu voicing for Kuroko.

Miss Satomi ARAI (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=26718) is one of my favorite seiyu's.

[DJ Trouble]

. . .

So anyway, an interesting thought popped into my head while daydreaming.

Could Kuroko beat Accelerator? She has the ability to teleport objects directly into and between other objects, so she should be able to kill/defeat Accelerator if she actually tried, right? Not that we've been given many details about it, but teleportation is generally instantaneous, so there's nothing for Accelerator, or anyone else, to counter once she gets a chance to actually do it.

[BlueDo]

It's debatable.
Accelerator's reflect is constant, not instantaneous. Reaction speed is not a question here.

From context of what goes into calculating teleport, one would guess that it involves sending an object through the 11th dimension. (whatever that means...)
That is considered a vector, and therefore is within Accelerator's barrier.
I'm sure Accelerator has studied a lot of things to update his AIM field, so that he won't be hurt by anything.
All the things that he's been hurt with and in the future (except for the bullet... :uhoh: ) are things he's never encountered yet. Exception is Suffocation and it can't be helped.

Anyways, from knowing the novel events
Kuroko shouldn't be a threat to Accelerator, becauseAccelerator has defeated a much more powerful teleporter than her.

[Avegaille]

Kuroko ... asdfjkl;

Yes, she's actually the first lesbian psycho perverted character that I actually like... and approve of... well, I suppose the good points she has is what makes her likeable for me... her name does say it all... XD

Seeing her more in Railgun actually made me appreciate her more... yep. 8D Her seiyuu says so otherwise, I like it... 8D

[tsunade666]

8D? What's 8D?

And for kuroko's teleportation. She can't teleport it directly inside the body of the enemy. Just imagining the complexity of the body of the person is hard and calculating its every bit is extremely hard. The only reason Kuroko can teleport those mirror on the pillar is its only made of stone and no other hard to imagine and calculate substance is in their.

[Avegaille]

It's an emoticon my dear... sort of like :P, XD, D: xP, xD;; etc... imagine it as someone beeing geeky, yep... 8D

Yeah, I don't think Kuroko can match up against Accelerator, otherwise, she'd be a Level 5 herself... *flees*

[Dean_the_Young]

If she were prepared to murder, there's no reason why she couldn't kill him in a single move. She's demonstrated an ability to replace things, to switch them about: in the manga, she replaced structural supports with windows. She's a vectorless teleporter.

Replacing his heart with a chunk of concrete, or tree, or anything else around, is firmly in the scope of her demonstrated powers. The only limit would be her willingness to believe she could.


Some powers just don't compare to others in context.

[tsunade666]

huh............. but the part of concrete isn't as detailed as the heart. And as for power level she is even weaker than the other teleporter. She is not that all great and she can max teleport 2 objects at once and also she can't teleport : replace complicated things.

[Claies]

If she were prepared to murder, there's no reason why she couldn't kill him in a single move. She's demonstrated an ability to replace things, to switch them about: in the manga, she replaced structural supports with windows. She's a vectorless teleporter.

Replacing his heart with a chunk of concrete, or tree, or anything else around, is firmly in the scope of her demonstrated powers. The only limit would be her willingness to believe she could.


Some powers just don't compare to others in context.

She doesn't even need to replace the heart. It'd suck enough to have a really sharp foreign object appear inside the abdominal cavity or esophagus.

The problem is her level of accuracy as a Level 4 can pinpoint that little area. As we can see in the power exam during the first episode of Railgun, her accuracy is decidedly not close enough to hit within an area the size of one person. Additionally, none of her teleportation efforts really stress accuracy - she takes people places or slam them into the ground. It's not surgery.

[Yufankun]

Kuroko's teleport has already been stated to go through the 11th dimension. Thus items teleported do have a vector and are reflected by Accelerator's AIM. Yeah I know it may sound stupid but that's how it works. Believe it's also been stated that Kuroko cannot teleport parts of objects, only whole ones, so she couldn't teleport his heart out. Even if she could, she'd have to touch him first. If she tried to touch him his AIM would kick in and would mean he has ample opportunity to just end her life right there.

As has been stated, Accelerator defeated a more powerful teleporter than Kuroko without breaking a sweat. Said teleporter has also won against Kuroko, she needed Touma to bail her out.

[DJ Trouble]

11th dimension? o.O

Is that some shit they made up just for the to aru universe? >_> If so, then it sounds like they were just looking for an excuse to make Accelerator unbeatable. <_<

Decided to google it before actually posting . . . and it still sounds like some bs just to make Accelerator unbeatable. >_> But I can accept that . . .

[Miraluka]

11th dimension? o.O

Is that some shit they made up just for the to aru universe? >_> If so, then it sounds like they were just looking for an excuse to make Accelerator unbeatable. <_<

Decided to google it before actually posting . . . and it still sounds like some bs just to make Accelerator unbeatable. >_> But I can accept that . . .
Not really, the 11th dimension was stated before Accelerator vs "misterious teleporter" and not only for them.

[Dean_the_Young]

huh............. but the part of concrete isn't as detailed as the heart. And as for power level she is even weaker than the other teleporter. She is not that all great and she can max teleport 2 objects at once and also she can't teleport : replace complicated things.She already does, every single time she teleports people (including herself). It's a mandated secondary power for teleportation in general, otherwise materializing in air would give everyone an extreme case of the bends and kill them. As she can already teleport entire persons, which are far more complex than a single organ, there's no logical reason she can't do simpler organism parts.

A heart isn't that complicated either: when you get down to it, at any instant in time a heart is a collection of atoms and molecules like any other, including concrete or rods.

She doesn't even need to replace the heart. It'd suck enough to have a really sharp foreign object appear inside the abdominal cavity or esophagus.Oh, of course. There are any number of ways to do it, many of them which would get around any of Accelerators claims of defence. Filling the air inside his lungs with concrete, or just poison gas/liquids in his mouth/stomach, would affect him.

Accelerator isn't that hard to kill, actually, if you're prepared for it and/or have free reign of materials. While base-conventional means are ineffective, special means aren't. He has to breath, he has to eat, he has to sleep, and do any number of functions for his body to stay alive.

The problem is her level of accuracy as a Level 4 can pinpoint that little area. As we can see in the power exam during the first episode of Railgun, her accuracy is decidedly not close enough to hit within an area the size of one person. Additionally, none of her teleportation efforts really stress accuracy - she takes people places or slam them into the ground. It's not surgery.In the railgun manga, at least, she's able to accurately replace window glass with structural columns she can't see, despite being exhausted and injured. That's a far harder task of 3-dimensional accuracy than being able to look eyes-on at the target.

When you're out without restrictions, it's actually a lot easier: it's far harder to shoot to disable someone, for example, than it is to shoot to kill. Everything past that is practice, and there's no reason Kuroko can't practice her accuracy.

Kuroko's teleport has already been stated to go through the 11th dimension. Thus items teleported do have a vector and are reflected by Accelerator's AIM.Only when it's active (rarely now adays, and he'd have to explicitly guard from a dimension virtually no one uses) AND qualifies as something to be reflected*, and even then there are means around it when it is.

*Accelerator can't reflect everything all the time: if he did, he would die because the body wouldn't intake the oxygen, food, and nutrients it needs to survive. His lungs must be allowed to expand, his stomach digest, his eyes must receive and absorb light, the body must be allowed to function. To reflect the inner and outer workings of his own body would kill him. To simply survive, Accelerator can't block everything; even when he told the first Misaka clone that 'reflect' was his default setting, at the same time air has to be able to transfer through his skin and lungs to breath.


Yeah I know it may sound stupid but that's how it works. Believe it's also been stated that Kuroko cannot teleport parts of objects, only whole ones, so she couldn't teleport his heart out.While scientifically that's a meaningless distinction (on an atomic level, there are no boundaries like that), it's also explicitly disproven in the railgun manga. In chapter ten, Kuroko 'cuts' support pillars by replacing parts of the who pillar with window glass. In doing so, she is breaking a whole object (the pillar) and replacing it with a liquid (glass).

If it can be done to a pillar, it can be done to any other object... including a chest cavity. Or, if you boost your precision, the air inside the trachea which isn't technically touching him, and thus not reflected.


Even if she could, she'd have to touch him first. If she tried to touch him his AIM would kick in and would mean he has ample opportunity to just end her life right there.All Kuroko has to touch is one of the things she's teleporting. It doesn't have to be Accelerator; it can be her rods, a chunk of concrete, hair pulled from her own head, the clothes on her back.

There's no reason Kuroko has to be in range of accelerator to do anything. In fact, there's no reason she has to be visible, or even in the same room. Though she has a limited range, it's more than enough to hide from him, more than enough to run.

Simply preparing ahead of time could give her the means to (1) launch a decisive first strike before he's activated the network to use his powers, (2) means to strike without ever been seen or detected (cameras in rooms, while hiding in a collapsed basement), (3) avoid coming in range of him at any point, (4) outlast the 15 minutes of the Misaka network. After which point, he's virtually helpless.

These are all things Kuroko's powers allow her to do even now. Whether she would is another story.


As has been stated, Accelerator defeated a more powerful teleporter than Kuroko without breaking a sweat. Said teleporter has also won against Kuroko, she needed Touma to bail her out.
[/QUOTE]Frankly, that doesn't mean much because for most of the characters of Index, they aren't the smartest fighters in general. Beating someone more powerful doesn't matter if they don't fight well in the first place, and To Aru has a distinct lack of people who fight well*.

Though as heroes of the story they always appear mighty and invincible, in fact all of them would be quite vulnerable to a half-decent special forces team from just about anywhere. Accelerator can be taken care of by gas, and would never have a chance against invisible odorless agents. Pretty much everyone else would outright die from a unexpected bullet ambush. In fact, even Acclerator can, if you do so immediately before or after his time limit. But even before then, he was far from undefeatable.




*That list could start with Accelerator himself, since he lost a boxing match when Touma could only use one hand to hit him, whereas any successful hit from Accelerator would have won.

[BlueDo]

I think you're getting a few things mixed up.
Teleport isn't exactly "replacing"
As stated before, it involves sending an object through the 11th dimension.
The glass windows are teleported into the columns without replacing anything at all.
The panes push the columns away, and then break afterwards because its nature can't hold up.
Just imagine compressing an object into an infinitely small point, and then expanding it at some other point.

Also, of course Accelerator doesn't reflect everything.
He has to allow himself be affected by gravity and breathe.
You can pretty much say that his AIM is a firewall, where it only allows things that are essential to him.

When Kuroko tries to teleport something into Accelerator, his body organ isn't getting "replaced".
If a pane gets inside, it just goes in and pushes everything else around it.
Therefore, in this occurrence, Accelerator only needs to prevent the pane from getting teleported into him.

[KholdStare]

In my opinion, Kuroko makes the series. Her obsession can be seen as a running gag, but how her actions are executed are always fresh every episode. I see the Mikoto/Kuroko relationship the same as the Kagami/Konata relationship; one would not have the same impact without the other. She is the character that makes me laugh, and she is the type of character without mysteries. No matter what type of drama or twists Railgun has, Kuroko will always be Kuroko, and that fact alone makes me look forward to the next episode.

[Dean_the_Young]

I think you're getting a few things mixed up.
Teleport isn't exactly "replacing"
As stated before, it involves sending an object through the 11th dimension.
The glass windows are teleported into the columns without replacing anything at all.
The panes push the columns away, and then break afterwards because its nature can't hold up.
Just imagine compressing an object into an infinitely small point, and then expanding it at some other point.
Er, no. The Railgun manga has Kuroko exclictly describing her form of teleportation as "pushes the object that was already there and takes its spot." That is replacement.

Actually, what you suggest is replacement to, because in the expnasion from infinitely small you're displacing other things (like air), but your suggestion is contrary to the canon.

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00002201/000139612/22.jpg


Also, of course Accelerator doesn't reflect everything.
He has to allow himself be affected by gravity and breathe.
You can pretty much say that his AIM is a firewall, where it only allows things that are essential to him. You do realize that firewalls are far, far from infallible? There's a reason they have to be remade nearly every month: people are constantly finding ways around them. In the case of Accelerator, he can't close certain known holes in his defense, because doing so would kill him. Those are the only holes needed to penetrate his reflection defense.




When Kuroko tries to teleport something into Accelerator, his body organ isn't getting "replaced".
If a pane gets inside, it just goes in and pushes everything else around it. While your last half is wrong, even if it weren't it would kill him. Quite handily, in fact.


Therefore, in this occurrence, Accelerator only needs to prevent the pane from getting teleported into him.Far easier said than done, and he only needs to fail once to be killed.

As Kuroko's practice and precision scale, the number of things she can do to kill him in one blow increase. Teleporting a grenade inside his stomach would be just one of them (it can get there because there is a path from outside to there without touching any part of Accelerator). Teleporting nerve agents or gas around him would be another. And that's if his reflection shield is on. Which it can only be for 15 minute increments. At all other times, he has no defense, so a pre-emptive first strike wouldn't have that resistance.

[HyperCube]

Since when intangible things can be teleported?

And teleporting an object into a body isn't easy when it's moving,since she has speculate the direction in which he will move and of course which leads to luck more than Math powa.

And teleporting an object is decomposing it into Atomes then recomposing it in the chosen location (unless she is using different method of teleportation..) so since Accelerator can reflect UV rays,so it won't be a problem for him reflecting incoming atomic particles no? (well,that depends on the speed of his reaction...)

[Cyrus17]

Btw notice how different Kuroko is in normal life and in "battle mode" (all screenies are from 9th ep.):

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3892/kurnorm1.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8484/kurnorm2.jpg

"battle mode":

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4387/kurbattle1.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7196/kurbattle2.jpg

Sure, most probably battle scene and restaurant scene were made by different artists (maybe not), still it's nice to compare the faces ^^

Battle Kuroko is sooo cool! Notice how she tilts her head :love:

:D

[tsunade666]

Your putting to much on kuroko's ability despite the fact she's only level 4 and an inferior version than someone. And what's more easily to imagine. Teleporting a whole body than teloporting inside a body. Imagining a person as a whole is much more easier than picturing what's inside of it.

And as for kuroko beating up accelerator then that will never happen as long as his line of defense is their. And the only time it will be out is if his doing an attack or a move that requires his full mindset on it. Leaving no place for a small calculation of redirecting.

[Dean_the_Young]

Since when intangible things can be teleported?Since the start. Gas is matter just like liquids and solids, and she's already demonstrated an ability to teleport liquids (glass) and gas (the air and gases in the people she teleports) as well as 'pure' solids. Gases are simply molecules with more spacing; that's why states of matter are a function of both specific temperature AND pressure.

If she couldn't teleport gases and liquids, then everytime she or another person was teleported they would lose the air in their lungs and much of what's inside their stomach and digestive track (since a lot of the bacteria and enzymes we rely on compose much of the inside of our body). Blood would also be suspect. There would also be a significant pressure difference between the inside and outside of any person she teleports, which would have severe functionality and medical consequences (like the bends, eyes popping, eardrums bursting) that we never see any suggestion of in-series.

Teleporting gases and liquids are a mandatory secondary power of her demonstrated abilities.

And teleporting an object into a body isn't easy when it's moving,since she has speculate the direction in which he will move and of course which leads to luck more than Math powa.For all intents and purposes, it is. She does it every single time she teleports people. Earth has a oval-orbital velocity of always-varying eccentrity of about 29.8 km/sec. The earth rotates at about .47 km/sec. That means that at any given point, we are moving through space at nearly 67,000 mph, we're also spinning around in circles at over 1000 mph.

She already has a mind capable of calculating in 13 dimensions. Her teleportations are effectively instantaneous, without a delay factor. And esper brains are shown as capable of far, far more intricate calculations on the fly.

She already teleports people and objects around when they move on a scale of kilometers per second, at thousands of miles per hour. Arguing that a measly few inches or feet per second constitute an enormous barier is laughable in the context of what she already does as a matter of course.



And teleporting an object is decomposing it into Atomes then recomposing it in the chosen location (unless she is using different method of teleportation..)She does. She moves through 13th dimension.

so since Accelerator can reflect UV rays,so it won't be a problem for him reflecting incoming atomic particles no? (well,that depends on the speed of his reaction...)This rather misses the fact that Accelerator can't use his powers like he once could (which, even back then, were circumventable). By the time Accelerator would have something to react to from a teleportation strike, he would already be dieing.

Kuroko's teleportation isn't a particle stream. It's a movement through another dimension entirely, one Accelerator would have to be actively guarding every possible means through any given point, without compromising whatever extra-dimensional effects it might have on himself.

[Dean_the_Young]

Your putting to much on kuroko's ability despite the fact she's only level 4 and an inferior version than someone.Level 4 is pretty powerful in its own right, and To Aru has a distinct failing on the tactical level. It doesn't matter if someone else is better as long as your powers are good enough to do what needs to be done. The crux is imagination and will; while someone is capable of doing something with the tools at hand, it doesn't mean they could think of it themselves or would be willing to do it. With what she has now, Kuroko could kill most anyone in Index by cutting them as she did that pillar. But she doesn't, because she isn't like that. It doesn't mean she couldn't, though.


And what's more easily to imagine. Teleporting a whole body than teloporting inside a body. Imagining a person as a whole is much more easier than picturing what's inside of it. There's no real logical basis for this. By any measure, it's always easier to work on smaller scale with simpler systems than larger and more complicated. Teleporting a whole body requires that everything comes out the other side as it was before, with no mixups at all. Even if your goal was to completely teleport one organ alone, it would be a far smaller scale task than an entire body. You only have one organ, and not entire organ systems which must all be accounted for in entirety.

With teleporting an attack inside a body, and this is an attack, not surgery, you don't care about mixups or precision. Mixups help, not hurt, since the objective is the cause maximum internal damage. You aren't replacing his heart with a slab of concrete because you want to study his heart; you're throwing it in there to kill the son of a bitch. If you replace the entire heart, he's dead. If you replace half the heart and a lung, he's still dead. If you only cut a major artery, he's dead.

And as for kuroko beating up accelerator then that will never happen as long as his line of defense is their. And the only time it will be out is if his doing an attack or a move that requires his full mindset on it. Leaving no place for a small calculation of redirecting.Which is pretty much any given time now, because he can only use his powers for 15 minutes.

So Kuroko can launch a first strike. She can wait him out and launch a final strike. Or she can have someone or something else distract him, and strike an unguarded area (or make one of her own). With base tactical knowledge and preparation, she can find and exploit a weakness.

[HyperCube]

Since the start. Gas is matter just like liquids and solids, and she's already demonstrated an ability to teleport liquids (glass) and gas (the air and gases in the people she teleports) as well as 'pure' solids. Gases are simply molecules with more spacing; that's why states of matter are a function of both specific temperature AND pressure.

If she couldn't teleport gases and liquids, then everytime she or another person was teleported they would lose the air in their lungs and much of what's inside their stomach and digestive track (since a lot of the bacteria and enzymes we rely on compose much of the inside of our body). Blood would also be suspect. There would also be a significant pressure difference between the inside and outside of any person she teleports, which would have severe functionality and medical consequences (like the bends, eyes popping, eardrums bursting) that we never see any suggestion of in-series.

Teleporting gases and liquids are a mandatory secondary power of her demonstrated abilities.


It's like teleporting a Box and what's in his content.For exemple if i attach a rope to a person,so when i want to teleport the rope,the person teleports with it or no? it can but the rope will materialize in the person which is not safe.

So that contradics the fact of the safity of Dimensional teleportation (which is normally impossible since the human can't see farther than the 4th dimension) which is far to be safe because another dimension doesn't mean no obstacles (like gravity).

Of course if the fact of Kuroko using dimensional teleportation is stated in the story (which i didn't totally read) so i guess it's maybe related to the story.

[Dean_the_Young]

It's like teleporting a Box and what's in his content.For exemple if i attach a rope to a person,so when i want to teleport the rope,the person teleports with it or no? it can but the rope will materialize in the person which is not safe.A confusing analogy. Perhaps you would like to elaborate? Your previous argument has been that one could not teleport something into or out of the box, but now you are debating about something alien attached outside the box.

Any safety concerns are meaningless, since safety is the antithesis of what a teleportation-attack is about. Replacing the rope where vital (and even non-vital) organs are is the objective, not an unacceptable consequence.


But as I said, a confusing analogy. Kuroko teleports people with their clothes (and teleports the clothes off of Mikoto) a number of times without issue. Kuroko can not only teleport sealed systems (objects, people), but accessory items connected to them as well.

So that contradics the fact of the safity of Dimensional teleportation (which is normally impossible since the human can't see farther than the 4th dimension) which is far to be safe because another dimension doesn't mean no obstacles (like gravity).Since I can't make heads or tales about what your argument is supposed to be, I'm unable to see how this does or does not contradict anything.

Of course if the fact of Kuroko using dimensional teleportation is stated in the story (which i didn't totally read) so i guess it's maybe related to the story.It is.

We do, for example, have examples of Kuroko teleporting into and out of what are, in effect, sealed 'boxes.' In the final episodes of To Aru Index, Koruko teleports a number of people out of the underground shopping mall even after the barricade walls have come down. Even though all main and known routes were closed, to seal the intruder and anti-skills in, she was still able to bypass the barriers.

A human body is analogous to the sealed shopping mall, with a critical exception: while the shopping mall could close shutters across all entrances, a human body that wishes to breath can not. The human body is effectively a doughnut, when it comes down to it: there's a top and a bottom and an open tube through it.

[HyperCube]

Well,i guess i haven't been clear enough:

About the box exemple,i meant how can you teleport something that you aren't conscious about (which is the object inside the box) which has it's proper magnetic properties ,and as you stated before she must calculate to the 13dimension everytime she teleports a thing which she is conscious about (something she sees,or knows) but how can she correctly teleport something that she still ignore it's nature,physical properties,and else......

Since I can't make heads or tales about what your argument is supposed to be, I'm unable to see how this does or does not contradict anything.

Well,i was talking about the success percentage of the dimensional teleportation of Kuruko (she never failed once as i know..) which is too high since dimensional teleportation is sending an object through other dimensions which they have their own physical properties (gravity,mass of protons,mass of neutrons,etc...).

So maybe it's normal when she teleports herself,but when it comes sending a body (to a far place) through other dimensions that she knows only from variable calculations (a human cannot see farther than 4th dimension) is far,far from safe.

We do, for example, have examples of Kuroko teleporting into and out of what are, in effect, sealed 'boxes.' In the final episodes of To Aru Index, Koruko teleports a number of people out of the underground shopping mall even after the barricade walls have come down. Even though all main and known routes were closed, to seal the intruder and anti-skills in, she was still able to bypass the barriers.

oww,spoiled....:( well,whatever...anyway i am going to finish the index series today so...
By the way,if she teleported people like did Sangoku in DBZ...well,i have nothing to say about that...

[Dean_the_Young]

Well,i guess i haven't been clear enough:

About the box exemple,i meant how can you teleport something that you aren't conscious about (which is the object inside the box) which has it's proper magnetic properties ,and as you stated before she must calculate to the 13dimension everytime she teleports a thing which she is conscious about (something she sees,or knows) but how can she correctly teleport something that she still ignore it's nature,physical properties,and else......Two different explanations, neither necessarily mutually exclusive. First, she does know: whether because the info is hammered into her brain and/or her required secondary powers let her know enough about what's in the box to teleport.

For simplicity, there's nothing in the series that implies that she breaks down/shrinks/alters the teleported object in anyway that would require her to remake it at all levels. She simply moves it, replacing the destination point.


Secondary is that she doesn't need to know what's in the box, because her AIM field surrounds the box as a whole and moves the box. For analoy, she's picking up the box itself, not unpacking the box and carrying it piece by piece.



Well,i was talking about the success percentage of the dimensional teleportation of Kuruko (she never failed once as i know..) which is too high since dimensional teleportation is sending an object through other dimensions which they have their own physical properties (gravity,mass of protons,mass of neutrons,etc...).Rather than assume 'it's too high,' the proper assumption from her 100% success is 'she can do it safely and proficiently'. That she can do it means she has the means to make it safe, and in context of Index that's usually handwaved away by 'their brains are made into terra-super computers.' Same way Accelerator is supposed to calculate any vector in real time, sort of.

So maybe it's normal when she teleports herself,but when it comes sending a body (to a far place) through other dimensions that she knows only from variable calculations (a human cannot see farther than 4th dimension) is far,far from safe.Well, it is safe.

The simplest answer is that she has required secondary powers that allow her to see and interact with the 13th dimension on a level to be safe. And if she can do those complex calculations reliably, as she does, she can make smaller calculations as well.



oww,spoiled....:(Ah. My sincere apologies: I thought it was safe to assume anyone in this thread would be willing to discuss info from the long-released series...

[HyperCube]

For simplicity, there's nothing in the series that implies that she breaks down/shrinks/alters the teleported object in anyway that would require her to remake it at all levels. She simply moves it, replacing the destination point.

Of course,they simply didn't want to explain the other side of teleportation.



And about this "secondary power" they haven't mentioned it in the Index anime (which i just finished) so,is it stated in the novel? or Railgun manga?

Secondary is that she doesn't need to know what's in the box, because her AIM field surrounds the box as a whole and moves the box. For analoy, she's picking up the box itself, not unpacking the box and carrying it piece by piece.

She teleports through her AIM field? ah then that explains everything! I didn't know that she can use her AIM on other people and objects...

[Dean_the_Young]

Of course,they simply didn't want to explain the other side of teleportation.



And about this "secondary power" they haven't mentioned it in the Index anime (which i just finished) so,is it stated in the novel? or Railgun manga?

It's a trope (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RequiredSecondaryPowers), actually. When people are given powers, they nearly always require secondary powers to support them.

Read the examples, and tell me if it doesn't make sense. I'll elaborate then. But short point is, in order to do what she's able to do, she requires more powers than they explicitly claim.

She teleports through her AIM field? ah then that explains everything! I didn't know that she can use her AIM on other people and objects...Well, she kind of has to: she doesn't leave her own clothes behind, after all.

Whether it's through her field or not, I can't say 100%, but it makes a good explanation why she can't teleport Touma.

[Gordy Lechance]

Hmm,

It seems the "computer parts" Kuroko-chan orders just brings a person's inner personality outwards; but considering how frank she is with her sexuality, all it did is make her a little more childish...

Kinda makes you wonder what would have happened if Mikoto did drink the "computer parts", don't it? :heh:

[surerman]

Hmm,

It seems the "computer parts" Kuroko-chan orders just brings a person's inner personality outwards; but considering how frank she is with her sexuality, all it did is make her a little more childish...

Kinda makes you wonder what would have happened if Mikoto did drink the "computer parts", don't it? :heh:
May be she will have what she want from her onee-sama:D
an Electric-Hugs-Shock that can warm her, till she burn:heh:

[Gordy Lechance]

Call me odd, but I find Kuroko-chan to be a very cute person; not just in appearance, but the fact the although not entirely healthy per-se, her love for Mikoto is endearingly pure and sincere. :)

[surerman]

Call me odd, but I find Kuroko-chan to be a very cute person; not just in appearance, but the fact the although not entirely healthy per-se, her love for Mikoto is endearingly pure and sincere. :)

If only she didn't trade some of her computer accessories just for obtain some "medicine" to be "closer" with her onee sama, I'll agree with you, but her action sometimes give me a chill.:heh:

[Shinji103]

Call me odd, but I find Kuroko-chan to be a very cute person; not just in appearance, but the fact the although not entirely healthy per-se, her love for Mikoto is endearingly pure and sincere. :)I'd have to agree with this guy. :heh: Her extremes may be freaky, but I still have to admit that I actually like Kuroko a bit more than Mikoto. :)

[Gordy Lechance]

She' a pervert, yes, but the adorably innocent way she cries whenever she is rejected reminds me of the adorably innocent pervert Saebar Ryo from City Hunter, all the way back in the 1980's... :heh:

Come to think about it, Kuroko-chan is a LOT like a female version of Ryo-chan, isn't she? :heh: Cute, funny, sincere, immature and CANNOT keep it in her pants even if her life depended on it. :p

[risingstar3110]

I'd have to agree with this guy. :heh: Her extremes may be freaky, but I still have to admit that I actually like Kuroko a bit more than Mikoto. :)
Third....

The best scene in Railgun is her SM sceen with Mikoto in that pool (just before ED of ep 2). Well you won't see such screen everyday.

She became much more serious lately through

[Gordy Lechance]

Third....

The best scene in Railgun is her SM sceen with Mikoto in that pool (just before ED of ep 2). Well you won't see such screen everyday.

She became much more serious lately through

Her "headbanger" at the cute side Mikoto never shows her in the cafe was simply price-less. :p

And yes, I'm still chuckling at how she "Tele-frags" Mikoto by dropping her poor partner on her head... :D

[HyperCube]

The way she talks makes all her charm :)

[Gordy Lechance]

(Looks over shoulder for Lolicon-Police...) :heh:

That uniquely nassaly voice makes her sexy in a simultaneously mature-AND-immatuer way. ;)

[Dark Paladin X]

Lol, I really enjoy Kuroko's love towards Misaka Mikoto even it is mostly one-sided.
And the part when Kuroko replaces Obama and says "Yes we can!" is funny as hell.

I'd vote Wendee Lee to voice Shirai Kuroko for the English dub.

[tsunade666]

I wish they don't murder it if its going to be dub but hopes are rather turn to crumbles for me.

[Dark Paladin X]

I wish they don't murder it if its going to be dub but hopes are rather turn to crumbles for me.


You can express you distaste if you want, but I'm just expressing my opinion that Wendee Lee should voice Shirai Kuroko due to her voice acting of Haruhi Suzumiya and Konata.

[tsunade666]

I haven't watch the dub version yet of lucky star or melancholy of Suzumiya haruhi. I haven't even got a dvd version with dual for it.

Its just from past experience that I can say that its hard to hope but if your happy with it then it should be good.

[MrTerrorist]

I'd vote Wendee Lee to voice Shirai Kuroko for the English dub.

Good choice good sir.

[hinakatbklyn]

If trying to match the sub I would not go with Wendee Lee. I actually think no one in that group has anyone who could match Kuroko's hyper style. The only one in that group who could match Kuroko in terms of energy would be Julie Ann Taylor. I would refer to Fate/Stay Night and Code Geass for the characters she voiced.

If we're going with another group though, there is a voice who could be just as annoying as the original and is just as hyper (it just might work). Britney Karbowsky. I would refer to Pani Poni Dash in this case. (What did her character say...... Mahoooooo!)

[Lexich]

I can't help but think that Kuroko's characterisation is supposed to be understood as "she is in *that* phase and just misunderstands her adoration of Mikoto as love". Thus she'll be forever yanked around for "comedy antics" and never receive any kind of serious "yes or no" answer from Misaka.

[dahak]

Kuroko/Touma= the universe was just divided by zero...

anyways, Kuroko is one of those I have mixed feelings about. She's not that bad of a character... but once she goes into "must seduce Onee-sama at all costs" mode (which is about 80~95% of the time), then I want someone to find a sniper and take her out before she uses her power. This is probably because A) I'm one of the few guys that actually is against yuri and B) I'm a MisakaxTouma fan all the way

I'm against it because in the anime she is more extreme than elsewhere and it pushes the balance too far away from when she's being competent.

Could Kuroko beat Accelerator?

No.

And for kuroko's teleportation. She can't teleport it directly inside the body of the enemy.

She can, but she doesn't wish to. The time when she nailed someone to the floor with her darts proves she has the accuracy and we know she can teleport things into other solid objects.

As we can see in the power exam during the first episode of Railgun, her accuracy is decidedly not close enough to hit within an area the size of one person.

When she is attempting to teleport something to demonstrate her maximum range and weight limit.

We haven't for example seen any evidence of vertical errors of the magnitude you suggest while she's teleporting around.

[dahak]

Kuroko/Touma= the universe was just divided by zero...

anyways, Kuroko is one of those I have mixed feelings about. She's not that bad of a character... but once she goes into "must seduce Onee-sama at all costs" mode (which is about 80~95% of the time), then I want someone to find a sniper and take her out before she uses her power. This is probably because A) I'm one of the few guys that actually is against yuri and B) I'm a MisakaxTouma fan all the way

I'm against it because in the anime she is more extreme than elsewhere and it pushes the balance too far away from when she's being competent.

Could Kuroko beat Accelerator?

No.

And for kuroko's teleportation. She can't teleport it directly inside the body of the enemy.

She can, but she doesn't wish to. The time when she nailed someone to the floor with her darts proves she has the accuracy and we know she can teleport things into other solid objects.

As we can see in the power exam during the first episode of Railgun, her accuracy is decidedly not close enough to hit within an area the size of one person.

When she is attempting to teleport something to demonstrate her maximum range and weight limit.

We haven't for example seen any evidence of vertical errors of the magnitude you suggest while she's teleporting around.

[aldw]

Accelerator would mop the floor with Kuroko, considering that a higher ranked (not only in raw power) teleporter was beaten by him, it takes someone like Touma or Tsuchimikado for that matter to beat him.

[Dean_the_Young]

People so weak they don't even have a rank. :p

[durack]

I'm against it because in the anime she is more extreme than elsewhere and it pushes the balance too far away from when she's being competent.


People may get pissed off, but, IMHO, in the anime she comes across as a useless comic relief character. You can delete her from the anime and the story will not be affected in the slightest.

[Cyrus17]

People may get pissed off, but, IMHO, in the anime she comes across as a useless comic relief character. You can delete her from the anime and the story will not be affected in the slightest.
As if we care about the story in Railgun. This series is all about the characters, and Kuroko is very unique and exceptionaly well made character with beautiful appearance / voice and even more beautiful personality. Comic relief character my ass! Go watch your weekly shounen, you're 10 years too young to understand moeblob genre.

Дурак он и есть дурак ^^

[wavehawk]

Though as heroes of the story they always appear mighty and invincible, in fact all of them would be quite vulnerable to a half-decent special forces team from just about anywhere.- A Half-Decent Spec Ops team with knowledge of the character's weakness. Delta, SAS, Devgru (et.al.) would definitely insist on knowing what they're dealing with first. And there IS a reason why Anti-Skill, for all the Keystone Kops candor they're portrayed in the series, is kitted out like a SWAT team.

On the other hand, there's a lot of people (And by that, I mean fans, not in-universe chara) who don't like it when 'ordinary' people with guns messes up their beliefs about superpowered characters--just look at Stormwatch:Team Achilles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Achilles) and it's not-so-great run.

Back-on-topic...

[Miraluka]

People may get pissed off, but, IMHO, in the anime she comes across as a useless comic relief character. You can delete her from the anime and the story will not be affected in the slightest.
Hehehehe well, Mikoto also can get deleted from Index series and the story will not be afected after the third arc. But you know some cameos of her are not thaaaat bad.
I desagree about Kuroko she still has a role in both Railgun and Index.

- A Half-Decent Spec Ops team with knowledge of the character's weakness. Delta, SAS, Devgru (et.al.) would definitely insist on knowing what they're dealing with first. And there IS a reason why Anti-Skill, for all the Keystone Kops candor they're portrayed in the series, is kitted out like a SWAT team.

On the other hand, there's a lot of people (And by that, I mean fans, not in-universe chara) who don't like it when 'ordinary' people with guns messes up their beliefs about superpowered characters--just look at Stormwatch:Team Achilles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Achilles) and it's not-so-great run.

Back-on-topic...
The same is aplied in the Index-universe but you have to wait for their time to be introduced.

[tsunade666]

Have you see any teleporter that teleports an external object directly inside an internal body of a human? Well I haven't seen anyone yet so its hard to believe she can do it unless that she doesn't want to kill the enemy that's why she is not doing it.

[SaintessHeart]

Have you see any teleporter that teleports an external object directly inside an internal body of a human? Well I haven't seen anyone yet so its hard to believe she can do it unless that she doesn't want to kill the enemy that's why she is not doing it.

She can teleport away his eyeballs because it is a moving part. If not his corneas.

Actually she could easily distract that guy by teleporting Konori's clothes. Stupid girl.....:D

[dahak]

Have you see any teleporter that teleports an external object directly inside an internal body of a human? Well I haven't seen anyone yet so its hard to believe she can do it unless that she doesn't want to kill the enemy that's why she is not doing it.

She doesn't want to kill. She tried porting her last dart through the heart of the guy with the light bending abilities because she'd given up trying to take him alive. [But it failed due to him not being where she thought he was.]

[Ice Block]

Where did this replacement concept come from? Basic teleportation involves transfer of particles from point A to point C on path ABC without having to go through point B. There are many ways to do this in sci-fi, but performing the switcheroo is not basic in any sense -- it's two-way teleportation after all.

Here, we are merely displacing particles, not replacing them. For the following example, let the red dot = particle being teleported (let's say these particles repel each other for simplicity):
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_01.jpg http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_02.jpg http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_03.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_04.jpg http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_05.jpg http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_06.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_07.jpg http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_08.jpg http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/exp/th_09.jpg
You get the idea. The red dot is teleported each time to the middle of the square cell. To further simplify, assume the red dot is immovable by other means, and the middle blue particle is always pushed to the right. The blue particle does not get destroyed or replaced, as explained by the slipspace link below (this link (http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0985) is the closest to real world science, I think).
Now, how does the teleportation actually work? The novels mention passing the object through the 11th dimension. This means it uses the concept of hyperspace jumps and slipstream space (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Slipspace) (Halo version, also used in that universe's teleportation grids).

How is the object-to-be-teleported recognized? She simply sets her AIM field over the object with the help of her training and a little imagination. Target location? Math, coordinate mapping, and spatial awareness. Come to think of it, I think the reason why she usually overshoots herlself when teleporting (we always see her falling after materializing) is to prevent a certain traumatizing accident from happening :heh:.

[tsunade666]

And it looks like kuroko has a certain limit on the weight and its speed it has a maximum or rather a set speed for it to reappear. Though base on her initial speed and the weight limit it doesn't looks like their is too much time delay.

And thanks for the explanation.

Then what happens in the cement post block? that kuruko teleported the mirror between?

[wavehawk]

I just had a very, very silly thought:

Do you think it's possible for Kuroko to teleport small amounts of mass into her chest to make her breasts bigger?

[MeisterBabylon]

That... would hurt. >_>

[tsunade666]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I like kuroko the way she is!!! I DON'T LIKE ENLARGEMENT!

What's with people like BIG! I prefer chibi pettan. :D :p

Loli is the best

[wavehawk]

I'd say I'll wait for Kuroko to turn 20. Not only would she be legal, she'd also (hopefully) given up on Misaka.

...no, then again, maybe she won't...

[tsunade666]

She won't give up on misaka but then again maybe even if she sticks with misaka she will also start sticking with touma. Too much spent time with that guy is bad.

And age 20....... I think she's 13 right now being mikoto is around 14 if I remember it right. The same age as styl.

[Shinji103]

And age 20....... I think she's 13 right now being mikoto is around 14 if I remember it right. The same age as styl......................either there's some massive, incredible mistake in the age translations, or the age-to-physical-appearance ratio in anime really is FUBAR...............

[Chaos2Frozen]

.....................either there's some massive, incredible mistake in the age translations, or the age-to-physical-appearance ratio in anime really is FUBAR...............

Komoe-sensei.

End of story.

That aside, I thought Kuroko with 15, with Mikoto being 16? I'm not sure what age you'll be in 3rd year middle school...

[tsunade666]

me too I'm not sure too but the biggest question is komoe-sensei and styl. Komoe-sensei is adult right? but styl is only 14 years old. Can they even allow him to cigarette like nuts with that age?

So what are the real age of mikoto and kuroko?

[Miraluka]

They should be 14 and 13.

[LaoED]

..I'd say around 12 and 13.

[tsunade666]

which year is mikoto to begin with? She is senpai of kuroko right? is kuroko a freshman? so mikoto is sophomore or junior 2nd year of middle school. In japan what age usually that is?

btw touma is 16 if I'm not mistaken and his first year high school.

[Miraluka]

which year is mikoto to begin with? She is senpai of kuroko right? is kuroko a freshman? so mikoto is sophomore or junior 2nd year of middle school. In japan what age usually that is?
Usually is 12-13(1st yaer) and 13-14(2nd year).

btw touma is 16 if I'm not mistaken and his first year high school.
I have a doubt, cause is Touma... Has he ever repeated a school year?
BTW if I'm not wrong Touma and Itsuwa are the same age, about 16 or 17.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Usually is 12-13(1st yaer) and 13-14(2nd year).

I have a doubt, cause is Touma... Has he ever repeated a school year?
BTW if I'm not wrong Touma and Itsuwa are the same age, about 16 or 17.

Mikoto is third year middle school, Touma is first year high school.

I swear I've heard this before, but can't for god sake dig out the source! :eyespin:

[Miraluka]

So she should be 14-15.

[MrTerrorist]

I think Mikoto is 15 & Touma is 17. BTW why are we talking about these two in Kuroko's thread anyway?

[Miraluka]

Chaos2Frozen is the culprit XD. Well I know that Index and Mikoto are the same age just like Touma and Itsuwa.

Returning to the thread(which is not so serious by the title). Did her fight against Awaki was totally unfair??

[tsunade666]

unfair............. well its one sided if you ask me. Awaki bullying kuroko? But then again their just doing their work.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Did her fight against Awaki was totally unfair??

Their first fight was totally onesided, Awaki got the drop on her, HARD. The second fight, Kuroko repaid the favor, but she was completely messed up by the end of it... In a way, she still lost to Awaki.

[Haak]

Er...whose Awaki again?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Er...whose Awaki again?

She's a Level 4 teleporter like Kuroko, except far more powerful. She can teleport objects without touching them.

Red hair, twin tails.

[tsunade666]

twin tails are a killer and add up if the girl is tsundere :D

I have weak spot for tsundere :p

Kuroko is considered one of the strongest teleporter. Knowing their are only 50 of 1 M+ students that had the ability to teleport. And hers are on the top. Their are only 5 stronger teleporter than kuroko and awaki is one of them.

She could be the strongest and attain level 5 but due to certain accidents she stayed level 4.

Kuroko and Awaki clashed in vol 8

[McMilk]

After seeing episode 15, I wish that Kurozuma did not interrupt their fight against the Skillout, and that we could see how Mikoto and Kuroko fight when teaming up. I keep imagining in my head that Kuroko would teleport Mikoto around while she shoots electricity all over the guys (kind of like the face-paced-teleporting-esque fighting scenes in Dragonball :heh:). Anyhow, since I do not read the manga, I am looking forward to at least something similar to this... if not no such fight scene exists, then I'm hoping for an anime-original :D

[Chaos2Frozen]

twin tails are a killer and add up if the girl is tsundere :D

I have weak spot for tsundere :p

Kuroko is considered one of the strongest teleporter. Knowing their are only 50 of 1 M+ students that had the ability to teleport. And hers are on the top. Their are only 5 stronger teleporter than kuroko and awaki is one of them.

She could be the strongest and attain level 5 but due to certain accidents she stayed level 4.

Kuroko and Awaki clashed in vol 8

Ahh, I forgot to mention before but my numbers were off... Plus there's the issue with mistranslation on my part :heh:

There are a total of 58 teleporters in the system.
Only 19 including Kuroko can teleport multiple objects.
And just 3 fits Awaki's description :heh:

After seeing episode 15, I wish that Kurozuma did not interrupt their fight against the Skillout, and that we could see how Mikoto and Kuroko fight when teaming up. I keep imagining in my head that Kuroko would teleport Mikoto around while she shoots electricity all over the guys (kind of like the face-paced-teleporting-esque fighting scenes in Dragonball :heh:). Anyhow, since I do not read the manga, I am looking forward to at least something similar to this... if not no such fight scene exists, then I'm hoping for an anime-original :D

I believe the second OP have the scene that you're looking for :D

[McMilk]

I believe the second OP have the scene that you're looking for :D

Yeah, but only like 0.000000000001 second of it :(

[tsunade666]

Well in the 2nd OP. They feature most the anime original mikoto being ubber strong..... which I find funny :heh: :heh: Plus the unknown girl that swallows a yellow pill.

[MeisterBabylon]

*ahem* Margery Daw. :uhoh:

[Marcus H.]

That's Margery-Daw-with-a-sweet-tooth. :O

[tsunade666]

that's funny :D

When I watch it..... right its the her. Where is the baka book?

Glasses check

Blond Check

Ponytail Check

Glasses Check

Long Sleeves Check

Color Blue Check

How much more will they copy the other anime?

[McMilk]

that's funny :D

When I watch it..... right its the her. Where is the baka book?

Glasses check

Blond Check

Ponytail Check

Glasses Check

Long Sleeves Check

Color Blue Check

How much more will they copy the other anime?

I'm guessing that her character's going to be sly and cunning and whatnot, just like Margery Daw :D

...minus the alcholic characteristic... I think/hope...

Anyway, I think we're a bit off topic here :heh:
Let me change it. "Oh my~~ Onee-sama is taking me by force~~~"

[Tabasco]

I liked the bystander's reaction to that line. :)

I wonder how many of their schoolmates are convinced those two are actually lovers?

[tsunade666]

how many schoolmates does even know kuroko is like that?

Because from what I see is kuroko should be also respectable herself. She's just acting that way when she's with mikoto and when they are alone or they are not in school.

[Bonta Kun]

how many schoolmates does even know kuroko is like that?

Because from what I see is kuroko should be also respectable herself. She's just acting that way when she's with mikoto and when they are alone or they are not in school.

well fact is we don't really know for sure since we never see em at school.

Kuruko doesn't seem like she hides anything really, if she does it in public don't see any need to hide it at school.

and don't forget the part in Index when in front of the school BiriBiri goes to Touma to use him for a pretend boyfriend, Kuroko shouts out to them like you expect, I loved that part with BiriBiri and Touma:D

[tsunade666]

but their kouhais from the school swimming club are surprise on when they first saw the saw called "SKINSHIP" of kuroko.

If its been all known in school then those two should have know. Misaka is the ace of tokiwadai and everyone in school should have know her.

But that part shouldn't happen yet in the current part of railgun. But that really triggers the rage of the dorm mistress..

And about your avatar bonta kun :D it also triggers floods of blood from me :heh: :heh:

[Tabasco]

Given the fact that Kuroko felt up her best buddy in the dorm shower in front of several witnesses, I imagine everyone knows.

Not sure why the two swim club members seemed unaware. Maybe they didn't believe the rumors?

[Chaos2Frozen]

And at the same time, those bystanders would see that Mikoto wasn't tsundere to Kuroko's advances, she down right rejects them :heh:

Right after she gives her an ass whooping.

[dahak]

Given the fact that Kuroko felt up her best buddy in the dorm shower in front of several witnesses, I imagine everyone knows.

Not sure why the two swim club members seemed unaware. Maybe they didn't believe the rumors?

Haven't Kuroko and Mikoto only been roommates for a month at that point? Kuroko's only been at Tokiwadi since April as I understand it.

I'll leave out that the shower incident at the beginning of the manga could seem to onlookers like Kuroko is teasing her sempai rather than coming on to her. I think there is also a later similar incident in September in the Novels that might be a bit less easy to write off as horseplay.

While I suspect Kuroko was responsible for her being substituted for Mikoto's previous room mate, I don't expect her to have been blatant about it before that.

And Kinuho and Maya haven't run into Mikoto since they joined at the beginning of the year, so it isn't likely they have seen Kuroko molesting her before. Being Kuroko's friends/classmates they might easily have disregarded anything they've heard, since she is more together when Mikoto's not there.

[Avegaille]

Is it my imagination or does Kuroko look a tad bit different in Index as compared to Railgun even though they're both from the same animation studio... :twitch:

Kuroko in Index vs. Kuroko in Railgun (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1936/kurokowhat.png)

Who else feels this way? From moe to comedy lesbian?!

[Miraluka]

Is it my imagination or does Kuroko look a tad bit different in Index as compared to Railgun even though they're both from the same animation studio... :twitch:

Kuroko in Index vs. Kuroko in Railgun (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1936/kurokowhat.png)

Who else feels this way? From moe to comedy lesbian?!

Congratulations! You have take about 3 moths to notice this fact :heh:.
Thats called "character exageration" overall in Railgun anime(crazy obssesive lesbian), if you ask me Kuroko from Railgun manga feels the same Kuroko from Index series(cool lesbian girl).

[Chaos2Frozen]

Really? I thought people were saying how Kuroko's tendencies were downplayed in INdex anime.

[tsunade666]

What and you think that in the railgun its the real kuroko? I prefer the cute and childlike kuroko in index anime. Than some wild head banging yuri MAX! kuroko from railgun.

Chaos you had read the vol 8 right? how was kuroko their? Because I think she's not THAT WILD really. Its TOO WILD in EXAGGERATED form. That had been made for the sales of DVD.

[wavehawk]

What and you think that in the railgun its the real kuroko? I prefer the cute and childlike kuroko in index anime. Than some wild head banging yuri MAX! kuroko from railgun.- You mean, you prefer your girls to be sweet and innocent as opposed to wet and wild?

(RUNS)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Chaos you had read the vol 8 right? how was kuroko their? Because I think she's not THAT WILD really. Its TOO WILD in EXAGGERATED form. That had been made for the sales of DVD.

Sigh, you got me there ;)

Kuroko in volume 8 does have her... Wilder tendencies, that scene in the shower? It did happen. Teasing Mikoto about liking a certain older boy, then back fired when she realized it's true? Responded with murderous jealousy constantly. And my personal favorite, going ballistic when Mikoto lend her lip gloss :heh:

But... Deep down inside, she really, really likes Mikoto. When she was badly injured, she hid from Mikoto to not let her find out, less she gets involved. Kuroko is very willing to put her life on the line to protect her from any threat, even if she'll never be credit for it. She understands that Mikoto is a big softy so she takes it upon herself to do the dirty job. And when she was on the verge of being killed, she tried to stop Mikoto from saving her because she would get caught up in the attack as well.

My point being... tsunade666, I prefer murderous Jealous Kuroko over crazy girl-love Kuroko.

**completely missed the point**

[tsunade666]

- You mean, you prefer your girls to be sweet and innocent as opposed to wet and wild?

(RUNS)

NO WITH YES..... I PREFER ,,,,,,,,,,,, >>>>>>> TSUN....TSUN...... TSUNDRA?.......TUNDRA?

ITS TSUNDERE!

I prefer a moe one than a serial killer one. I don't want to get on bad term with the current kuroko.
I don't have enough life points to endure one head bang and even a killer glare is enough to KO me.

[Avegaille]

Congratulations! You have take about 3 moths to notice this fact :heh:.
Thats called "character exageration" overall in Railgun anime(crazy obssesive lesbian), if you ask me Kuroko from Railgun manga feels the same Kuroko from Index series(cool lesbian girl).

I only noticed it somehow, somewhere when I was watching that crazy Kuroko video and it had an "Index" Kuroko in one of the clips too, the rest is from "Railgun"... and then that's the time I felt that it feels sort of different... seeing that... Index part as compared to Railgun. Took a while though, ah well... I prefer Railgun Manga Kuroko over Index Anime Kuroko though.

Eh let's see: Railgun Anime Kuroko > Railgun Manga Kuroko > Light Novel Kuroko > Index Manga Kuroko > Index Anime Kuroko

(even though it's the same character, but the various media makes her a bit different from one of the other)

Chaos2Frozen: I loved to hear those whatever examples of murderous jealousy sort of action Kuroko did. The more I hear about these kind of stuff, the more I get interested at her. :D

[tsunade666]

about murderous.

I think she's going to kill uiharu in vol 12. When mikoto is teaching her on how to use violin. Her killing intent is real and dangerous. But when he meets touma for the first time.... ...... s. s. sshe acts high and mighty that she knows every inch of mikoto entirety from physically and mentally add up the inside and outside.

[Chaos2Frozen]

about murderous.

I think she's going to kill uiharu in vol 12. When mikoto is teaching her on how to use violin. Her killing intent is real and dangerous. But when he meets touma for the first time.... ...... s. s. sshe acts high and mighty that she knows every inch of mikoto entirety from physically and mentally add up the inside and outside.

The thing is, I don't think she thought of Touma as a 'threat' before:heh: That was until Mikoto tackled him in front of her entire dorm, blushed whenever 'a certain older gentlemen'is mentioned (this is my second favorite, because they always backfire on Kuroko, and her facial expression is priceless).

What's my most favorite then? Well, it happened in the School Festival, an injuried wheel-chair bound Kuroko burned with RAGE and threatened to kill Touma after she saw him do the following-

1. Holding Mikoto hand while running.
2. Letting Mikoto wipe his sweat.
3. Sharing the same straw with Mikoto.

Her reaction was beyond priceless, she suddenly found the unholy strength to stand up causing poor Uiharu to panic :heh:

[tsunade666]

what she didn't saw when touma pin down mikoto? poor girl. That reaction will be priceless. ( its in culture festival arc )

[Chaos2Frozen]

what she didn't saw when touma pin down mikoto? poor girl. That reaction will be priceless. ( its in culture festival arc )

I haven't got up to there yet :heh: So I'm not sure if Kuroko was even there.

[Miraluka]

what she didn't saw when touma pin down mikoto? poor girl. That reaction will be priceless. ( its in culture festival arc )

No, she didn't, it would be funny but in the other hand Touma just tought Mikoto was affected by Oriana's spell when he noticed Mikoto wasn't affected he went to do his job and Mikotoe still was on the floor living her own fantasy(lol I.B. did it again)...:heh:

[tsunade666]

poor girl. poor mikoto dreaming and poor kuroko hadn't seen the best seen ever to see.

[wavehawk]

I prefer a moe one than a serial killer one. I don't want to get on bad term with the current kuroko.
I don't have enough life points to endure one head bang and even a killer glare is enough to KO me.

"I know what you're thinking, and it's crazy."

"So, stay here."

"Unfortunately for us both, I LIKE crazy.":p

[tsunade666]

then my friend I say good luck to you. You must be overlord level to withstand her.

[Bonta Kun]

then my friend I say good luck to you. You must be overlord level to withstand her.

nope he just has a MJOLNIR battle suit, the ultimate peice of equipment when dealing with space aliens and robots:D

I like Kuroko whether she be crazy or not:p
I never gave her much thought when watching Index but with Railgun she is rather "over the top" but even so I still really like her, for me she is one of them character's with a charm to them but have no idea what that charm really is.

[tsunade666]

Well she is the one of the few reason I still watch railgun beside cute sate, skirt flipping scene of uiharu, biribiri's childish taste and few toum cameo. Being the one who brought lots of laughs to the series, yes she is.

I just love the head banging and adult taste of kuroko.

But really getting on bad terms with her is bad pretty bad. The only one yet to survive his wrath head on is probably touma.

It will be a luagh if touma finally sets a flag on kuroko's heart. though I doubt she will forget biribiri..... maybe she will turn " bi "

[wavehawk]

then my friend I say good luck to you. You must be overlord level to withstand her.
nope he just has a MJOLNIR battle suit, the ultimate peice of equipment when dealing with space aliens and robots:D

You're both wrong.

"通りすがりの仮面ライダーだ...覚えておけ!" :p

It will be a luagh if touma finally sets a flag on kuroko's heart. though I doubt she will forget biribiri..... maybe she will turn " bi "- Nothing against Touma, but him winning Kuroko's heart would just be too much.

[tsunade666]

prinny dood hey doo I can't read japs dood.... DOOOOOOD

use machine translation.......... what's this ......=It is a mask rider of the street clinging. Remember.

I can't understand.

Touma did sway a bit the heart of kuroko when he saves her in pinch too bad just a little bit more if he beats up awaki their. Their could be a chances to set a flag but the psycho smash awaki to smithereens or rather awaki manage to escape away from touma to get pound.

[Lexich]

Touma getting Kuroko's heart? Don't even joke about it. It's just not funny.
Every free straight girl he met has fallen for him. Any more would be absolutely ridiculous.

About murderous jealousy. If Kuroko ever decided to "get rid of hypotenuse", killing Touma would be an easy task for her. Too bad she is a comical character.

[Miraluka]

Too bad she is a comical character.
Maybe in Railgun but in Index she also has a serious role.

[dahak]

use machine translation.......... what's this ......=It is a mask rider of the street clinging. Remember.

I can't understand.


I think he's suggesting Kamen Rider is superior.

[tsunade666]

thanks dahak.

and I'm not joking about cracking the route of kuroko but still its a good thing the author let awaki escape on the grasp of touma.

Letting it go stops the development of the flag plus we got to see accelerator's comeback.

[wavehawk]

On-Topic:
If we see Index/Railgun through Touma's eyes like a dating sim, Kuroko would be the character wihtout an actual ending (i.e. you can't finish with her). Which would send most fans going berserk, but it's to be expected.

In other words, NO. Touma is NEVER going to set any Kuroko flags.

Off-Topic:
what's this ......=It is a mask rider of the street clinging. Remember.
I think he's suggesting Kamen Rider is superior.

....*
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/Wavehawk/Tempbook/DCDFT11.jpg

I wish I had Mikoto and Kuroko figmas...

[tsunade666]

Is the one beside kamen rider the one from fate stay night?

Touma wouldn't even bother triggering the flag of the girls its just get trigger through accidentally due to his works. As for touma really triggering kuroko's flag.... that's impossible. Even if their are instances but that's just brief moments and it didn't even go all the way unlike the other girls. So its impossible.

[aldw]

Is the one beside kamen rider the one from fate stay night?

Touma wouldn't even bother triggering the flag of the girls its just get trigger through accidentally due to his works. As for touma really triggering kuroko's flag.... that's impossible. Even if their are instances but that's just brief moments and it didn't even go all the way unlike the other girls. So its impossible.

I've seen crazier plot points happen before, and nothing's ever impossible for the author to present. :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

I would like to point out that a number of girls didn't really 'even go all the way' , yet people still included in his harem :p

[Tabasco]

Just a matter of time...

;)

[tsunade666]

no no no

I wouldn't happen. Touma got tons of it and he got a school of girls lurking beside him.

Even if adding a crazy one to the harem looks fun it just too much. If the author will just use the time to further the development of others than adding another one.

[MeisterBabylon]

Author thinks:

[She, she and she is Touma harem. I CAN HAS MOAR!]

We think:

[EVERYONE IS KAMIJYO FACTION! START DEVELOPING THE ROUTES ALREADY!]

So... :uhoh:

[Miraluka]

Kazuma Kamachi: I refuse, too busy with the civil wars, its my novel not yours.

XD

[Tabasco]

Clearly I missed something. What civil war?

[Miraluka]

Sorry for the spoiler n_ñ, thats from the novels.

In England, the queen got a tat d'coup from one of the princesses and so, a war started. Of course Touma ended in the mid of the conflict. And the same goes for Accelerator in A.C. in the mid of a conflict between the underground organizations of mercenaries.

[wavehawk]

Sorry for the spoiler n_ñ, thats from the novels.

In England, the queen got a tat d'coup from one of the princesses and so, a war started. Of course Touma ended in the mid of the conflict. And the same goes for Accelerator in A.C. in the mid of a conflict between the underground organizations of mercenaries.



I guess this also firmly establishes beyond reasonable doubt that the world of Index/Railgun is nothing like the real world.

Either that, or it's another case of author in Japan not doing proper research beforehand.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I guess this also firmly establishes beyond reasonable doubt that the world of Index/Railgun is nothing like the real world.

Either that, or it's another case of author in Japan not doing proper research beforehand.



What, you mean the changes to England? I'm pretty sure it was done on purpose.

[tsunade666]

Its clearly not the same as the real world. Just take japan for example. No matter how advance it is to have a city of schools that experiments on human is unheard of.

[Tabasco]

That's the thing though. It doesn't seem to be an experimental process.

The whole operation is run by the book with well defined end goals, expected milestones, and a massive support structure in the form of the city itself. None of that points to a process that isn't well tested and backed by proven results.

That said, given that scientific ethics is a meaningless concept in this universe...

[wavehawk]

That said, given that scientific ethics is a meaningless concept in this universe...- Man, it's being run by Aleister Crowely. Do you think that just because he gave up magic for Science, that his attitudes about ethics has changed?

[tsunade666]

does he even have ethics? Right that upside down guy is not even once lying but that's not say that his saying everything.

[wavehawk]

I hate to use Wiki of all things, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley
He gained notoriety during his lifetime, and was denounced in the popular press of the day as "The wickedest man in the world."

Confirmed in four different articles:
- Powter, Geoff (2006-08-01). Strange and dangerous dreams. The Mountaineers Books. p. 131. ISBN 9780898869873.
- Owen, Alex (2004). The place of enchantment. University of Chicago Press. p. 186. ISBN 9780226642017.
- Spence, Lewis (2007). Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology. Kessinger Publishing. p. 203. ISBN 9780766128156.
- Crowley, Aleister (2004-01-01). Diary of a Drug Fiend. Book Tree. p. Back Cover. ISBN 9781585092451.

Does this sound to you like the kind of man who gives a Rats about ETHICS?

[tsunade666]

Right he even use his wife and daughter as sacrifice but further info would be too bad.

[ReddyRedWolf]

I think we are straying from the thread topic namely Kuroko.

[Sol Falling]

Indeed. How's this?

In ep. 15, Kuroko talked about feelings being the accumulation of time spent together and stuff and explicitly brought up Misaka and her, and Misaka calmly accepted it and we all had warm and fuzzy feelings or something. This scene underscored too things: 1) Kuroko's feelings are pretty serious deep down and 2) Misaka doesn't totally reject them (!!!). Also, in the last two episodes, Kuroko and Misaka have gone basically everywhere together. They seem really close now.

Real yuri pairing in sight? Y/N.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Real yuri pairing in sight? Y/N.

N

Since these according to cultural norms a girl is suppose to grow out of. In this regard Mikoto is more mature than Kuroko.

But that doesn't stop Kuroko from being extremely jealous when Touma and Mikoto are together.:heh:

[Sparrow1770]

Misaka doesn't totally reject themYes, they are very close friends. I think it's unrealistic to expect a canon pairing though. There's more than enough for imagining a non-canon pairing though, so it's not really a big problem as far as I'm concerned.

[Vikitehwaffu]

N

Since these according to cultural norms a girl is suppose to grow out of. In this regard Mikoto is more mature than Kuroko.

But that doesn't stop Kuroko from being extremely jealous when Touma and Mikoto are together.:heh:

This makes me rage so much. But yeah, Mikoto just isn't gay.

[wavehawk]

I think we are straying from the thread topic namely Kuroko.- I kind of noticed when I heard someone violently banging their head against a wall somewhere. ^_^

I think it's unrealistic to expect a canon pairing though. There's more than enough for imagining a non-canon pairing though, so it's not really a big problem as far as I'm concerned. - Still doesn't stop CM's Corporation making (official) Mikoto and Kuroko figures that..."Work well with each other"...

http://www.nekomagic.com/figure_news/200909/cms_shirai_kuroko03.jpg

[Syntron]

- Still doesn't stop CM's Corporation making (official) Mikoto and Kuroko figures that..."Work well with each other"...

http://www.nekomagic.com/figure_news/200909/cms_shirai_kuroko03.jpg

Thats called "marketing strategy" :D

[tsunade666]

Which is common in anime industry.

Btw is their a nendroid of kuroko? I just love nendroid. I pm link if anyone knows. Any GIRL index or railgun characters that are nendroid. I just love it.

[darksassin]

About her teleportation power, according to my theory, she might be able to teleport something dificult/more complex into something simple such as teleporting human into air but not vice versa. maybe just maybe. Or she just didnt want to be a killer:)

[wavehawk]

Btw is their a nendroid of kuroko? I just love nendroid. I pm link if anyone knows. Any GIRL index or railgun characters that are nendroid. I just love it.- There are mini-SD characters released, but not 'officially' Nendoroids, I think. And personally, I damn hope Max Factory gets their hands on these for both Nendo and figma lines. I want my figma Mikoto and Kuroko, dammit!

[Chaos2Frozen]

About her teleportation power, according to my theory, she might be able to teleport something dificult/more complex into something simple such as teleporting human into air but not vice versa. maybe just maybe. Or she just didnt want to be a killer:)

IN all honesty, there is no reason why Kuroko cannot teleport something into a human body, or vice versa, a human into a wall. She is only limited to objects she can touch, their weight, and the distance between her and the teleported destination.

However, I should mention that teleporters cannot forcefully teleport another teleporter. This is because of the nature of their AIM field. I can't explain it too well, but basically their AIM field by default have their location as point '0', as long as the user doesn't change this, it will remain at point '0'.

Raw novel readers of volume 8, feel free to correct me on this.

[Avegaille]

- I kind of noticed when I heard someone violently banging their head against a wall somewhere. ^_^

- Still doesn't stop CM's Corporation making (official) Mikoto and Kuroko figures that..."Work well with each other"...

http://www.nekomagic.com/figure_news/200909/cms_shirai_kuroko03.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8800/006qe2.jpg

:uhoh:

Looks like they're going with what the LN is offering...?

[darksassin]

maybe you are right. but i think i see when she fought trick, she throw the spike at his face.. why didnt she teleport it ? I mean if she could teleport things inside human body.. she can teleport the spike to injure specific part of the human body like the knee for example

[Primary Consult]

She wanted to and even tried to teleport the spike inside him... the 'trick' of course was that he wasn't actually at the spot she targeted, and to hide this fact his ability made it look like she 'missed'.

[Vikitehwaffu]

maybe you are right. but i think i see when she fought trick, she throw the spike at his face.. why didnt she teleport it ? I mean if she could teleport things inside human body.. she can teleport the spike to injure specific part of the human body like the knee for example

Mostly because Kuroko doesn't have the resolve to do that to another person, that is why you always see her teleport spikes to pin people's clothes, not their actual body parts.

[dahak]

maybe you are right. but i think i see when she fought trick, she throw the spike at his face.. why didnt she teleport it ?

She did teleport it. That scene was in Kurokovision. IIRC It is the only time we've seen what teleporting things looks like to her.

Kurokovision usually being used for more intimate sequences.

[tsunade666]

dahak what's IIRC?

[Yufankun]

She teleported one and threw another. I'm guessing she threw the latter because either she believed he was affecting her teleport somehow or that she wanted to see what happens to its trajectory if thrown to try and figure out his ability

IIRC means If I Recall Correctly

[dahak]

And now we know.

It is not that Kuroko is a Sex-crazed Lesbian Martinet, She is over the top and heading towards Brian Blessed (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=Main.BRIANBLESSED) levels (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LargeHam) for any idea that wanders into her head.

[wavehawk]

Face it. The girl is batshit insane. That's why we love her. :p

[Tabasco]

Actually, I think I like her a lot better when she's stable. Call it a personal quirk.

I do halfway wonder when she's going to snap and teleport Touma about a mile up before dropping him. Surely the thought has crossed her twisted little mind at least once.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Actually, I think I like her a lot better when she's stable. Call it a personal quirk.

I do halfway wonder when she's going to snap and teleport Touma about a mile up before dropping him. Surely the thought has crossed her twisted little mind at least once.

Can't teleport him due to that right hand.:uhoh:

As much as Kuroko views Touma as an unwanted rival you have to wonder if he ever triggers the Kuroko flag.:heh:

[wavehawk]

triggers the Kuroko flag.:heh:- NEVAIR!!! :mad:

[Bonta Kun]

as much as I like Touma and his harem, I have to agree that it should NEVAIR happen.
Kuroko-sama should stay true to her ways like she always has, thats what makes her so great!
She's my yuri goddess and it should stay that way!:bow:

[felix]

as much as I like Touma and his harem, I have to agree that it should NEVAIR happen.
Kuroko-sama should stay true to her ways like she always has, thats what makes her so great!
She's my yuri goddess and it should stay that way!:bow:She's determined, compassionate, hard working and romantic.
Until she actually does anything to Misaka-original its no more then teasing. :p

[dahak]

She's determined, compassionate, hard working and romantic.
Until she actually does anything to Misaka-original its no more then teasing. :p

Sexual assault and attempting to drug someone are a bit more than teasing.

[Tabasco]

Exactly, to her its foreplay.

If I remember correctly, Kuroko grabbed his right hand or arm when she tried to teleport him while he was in her room. At that point she panicked and shoved him under the bed rather than try again.

Either way, if something exotic involving her powers fails, there's always the oldies but goodies: poison, daggers, and 'accidents' :)

[wavehawk]

In short: If Kuroko hasn't been able to bed Mikoto, it sure as hell wasn;t for lack of trying...

[Gordy Lechance]

Kuroko-chan's head must be made of adamantium... :heh:
http://komica41.dreamhosters.com/pix/img2470.gif

[tsunade666]

what's being true to herself even be for kuroko. Yuri or straight?

[Tabasco]

Evidence suggests yuri. At least we haven't seen her show interest in any males, but then we haven't seen her show interest in anyone except Mikoto either.

[NinjaYali]

as much as I like Touma and his harem, I have to agree that it should NEVAIR happen.
Kuroko-sama should stay true to her ways like she always has, thats what makes her so great!
She's my yuri goddess and it should stay that way!:bow:

Simple. Touma practices bigamy marries both and Kuroko marries Mikoto.

They are all happy.

[MeisterBabylon]

No he's polygamic; he marries them all. :D

[wavehawk]

Simple. Touma practices bigamy marries both and Kuroko marries Mikoto.
They are all happy. No he's polygamic; he marries them all. :D

Touma: "H-HEY! Don't just go decide that on your own!!!"

[MrTerrorist]

Touma: "H-HEY! Don't just go decide that on your own!!!"

He's right. Let have all of the girls who like Touma have a Battle Royale where the last one standing gets their man.;)

[tsunade666]

but that would be to many. I wonder how many round it will be and how many blood will be shed.

[MeisterBabylon]

And how much of Gakuento is left standing after that.

[tsunade666]

what is majority in gakentoshi to begin with? girls or boys?

Kuroko falling for touma is a scene to behold with.

[Chaos2Frozen]

what is majority in gakentoshi to begin with? girls or boys?

No official word.

[ReddyRedWolf]

what is majority in gakentoshi to begin with? girls or boys?



Again no idea. Given though that Skill-Out are a bunch of loser Level 0's that are male I venture to guess statistically speaking girls are more likely to develop esper powers.

Kuroko falling for touma is a scene to behold with.

Question is how do you play the Kuroko route and trigger her flags?

Kuroko already invited him to her room and almost got caught by Dorm Supervisor. Nothing happened. For that matter nothing happened when she touched Touma's right hand.

Touma saves her later on still no flag.

Thing is most of Touma's good deeds are unknown to Kuroko. How would she react to knowing Touma saved Mikoto from darkness? Mikoto was semi-suicidal over the deaths of the Sisters espeacially the one she bonded with.

As Aisa Himegami stated Touma is like a hero protagonist in galge peforming routes saving girls from their circumstances.

Comparably speaking Kuroko lives a more carefree life. The girls Touma meets are usually Save the Princess. Is Kuroko even Princess material?

[Avegaille]

Comparably speaking Kuroko lives a more carefree life. The girls Touma meets are usually Save the Princess. Is Kuroko even Princess material?

Quite the opposite actually... Kuroko is the one that kicks butt... (and becomes perverted for her Onee-sama at the same time) but...

there is an instance where she even refused Mikoto's offer of a drink all because she was sort of having some argument with Uiharu, so you can say there's a time and place for everything for this kinky teleporter...

sort of... anyways, other than Volume 8, there's little chance of Touma raising Kuroko's flag...

[Miraluka]

How would she react to knowing Touma saved Mikoto from darkness? Mikoto was semi-suicidal over the deaths of the Sisters espeacially the one she bonded with.
Who knows? Maybe Kuroko might know Mikoto problems but kept them in secret to not worry her onee-sama and for that reason went alone against Awaki instead asking for some help from more judgment partners.

[wavehawk]

Anybody here who's actually familiar with the visual novel/renai game genre will know thta Kuroko is the unwinnable girl--i.e. no ending with her AT ALL.
(Other Examples: Satsuki in Tsukihime, Ilya in Fate/Stay Night)

[aldw]

Anybody here who's actually familiar with the visual novel/renai game genre will know thta Kuroko is the unwinnable girl--i.e. no ending with her AT ALL.
(Other Examples: Satsuki in Tsukihime, Ilya in Fate/Stay Night)

Better way of putting it is non-visible route, as it is believed that the Ilya route caused Shirou to become Archer, and Luvia is one of Shirou's possible partners, while Satsuki's route led to Melty Blood. At the very least Sacchin's finally getting her route done... :heh:

[MeisterBabylon]

That seems to imply Toumaruko will lead to something disastrous (from Archer and Melty Blood). And Fate/Prisma Illya implies that even a possible Shiruvia ending would spark a great battle. :uhoh:

[aldw]

That seems to imply Toumaruko will lead to something disastrous (from Archer and Melty Blood). And Fate/Prisma Illya implies that even a possible Shiruvia ending would spark a great battle. :uhoh:

For Sacchin at least, Melty Blood was based on her normal route, so her true route may have something else to it... :o

[MrTerrorist]

Found this looping vid.
It's kinda disturbing yet so funny.

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