Muv-Luv Franchise - Game & General Discussion [Archive]

Nerroth

2010-02-03, 14:59

Following on from the stories told in Kimi ga Nozomu Eien and Akane Maniax, the Muv-Luv (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muv-Luv) franchise takes things into a wide and growing range of, one might say, Alternative directions!

The stories of Muv-Luv are spread over a range of timelines and settings. The first of the two universes shown in the original game is Extra - which starts the day after the events of Akane Maniax finish. In this reality, things seem somewhat normal, or at least as 'normal' as a Japanese high school setting in anime seems to be...

Yet, it is the second half of the original game, Unlimited, where things really start to get interesting. Rather than the relative peace (in Japan, at least) which one found in Extra, this world has been slowly ground down by a full-scale alien invasion, launched by a collection of life forms known to humanity as BETA. It is here where the Senjutsuhokousentouki (or Senjutsuki for short) - i.e. the mechs which help to define the franchise - are introduced.

The next game, Alternative, jumps to a second war-ravaged timeline. This is the world which has formed the basis of the range of spinoff stories - for example, while Alternative is mainly set in Japan, Total Eclipse is set in Alaska, while The Euro Front is, as its name suggests, in Western Europe.

After Alternative comes Altered Fable, which goes to a timeline which looks more like the peaceful world shown back in Extra. So far, unlike Extra/Unlimited and Alternative, Altered Fable does not seem to have an all-ages version, though I could be wrong (and there may or may not be such a version, if you'd want one, along sooner or later anyway.)

Included with Altered Fable, however, is the introduction to one of the side-stories previously mentioned - Total Eclipse (http://www.total-eclipse.jp/te/index.html). This story has been running in Tech Gian and published as a series of novels for a while now, and shows no sign of stopping.

The second notable side-story is The Euro Front - which has been updated in Hobby Japan each month. One of the notable aspects of this world is the range of Senjutsuki shown here, as opposed to those elsewhere on the planet. (In this setting, many of the mechs are named after 'real' warplanes, and are intended to echo them design-wise. TEF includes units based on the real-life Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, compared to the craft of Japanese, Russian and American origin elsewhere.)

There are a few other side-stories, too - some of which are previewed in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXWCN6YcWb8) - though it seems that TE and TEF are the ones to watch in terms of future development.

There's been a range of other merchandise released, too. Mitsurugi Meiya, one of the leading ladies of Muv-Luv, has been released in Figma (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2822417#post2822417) form (http://www.goodsmile.info/product/en/2435/figma+Meiya+Mitsurugi+UN+Troop+Ver.html). Her signature mech (http://www.volks.co.jp/JP/a3/001.html), as well as a load of others from Alternative, Total Eclipse and The Euro Front, have been made by Volks, in their A3 (http://www.volks.co.jp/jp/a3/index.html) line. (Damn, I wish that black EF-2000 (http://www.volks.co.jp/jp/a3/2010lim02.html) wasn't an exclusive...) Plus, there are a few background books, not least Integral Works (http://www.techgian.jp/official/te/index.html) - which looks pretty neat (http://jilpoong17.egloos.com/4317246)...

Oh, and there's a Japanese-language wiki (http://www9.atwiki.jp/alternative) for the Alternative timeline, too. (On the TE (http://www9.atwiki.jp/alternative/pages/83.html) page, it says there will be an all-ages release of that story released in 2010, but I'm not sure where the source for that comes from, so...)

And one other thing: Both the original Muv-Luv game (incorporating Extra and Unlimited) and Muv-Luv Alternative have an English translation project (http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/blog/?p=386) in the works.

So, have you already acquainted yourself with the Muv-Luv multiverse (Muv-tiverse?), or are you still wondering what all the fuss is about?

Alchemist007

2010-02-05, 13:32

I remember seeing KGNE and was blown away. Then I looked into Maniax and was like "...nah."
Then I read that exact wiki page a couple years ago and basically my reaction was (and I'm precise with the number of each punctuation here)

"???????!"

Nerroth

2010-02-05, 14:11

Which brings me to a point which stands out for me here, compared to other franchises I know.

If one looks at stories from, say, Type-Moon, the kind of details, events and supernatural creatures involved may differ, but the underlying connection to the broader Nasuverse is still present - or rather, it's present in terms of going into a story and expecting the unexpected, as it were.

To put it another way, Fate/Stay Night is a very different story to Tsukihime, but if someone told you they are in the same broader setting, it wouldn't be that hard to imagine it so.

In this case, however, neither Kiminozo nor Akane Maniax - nor, indeed, Muv-Luv Extra - give much in the way of clues as to what other timelines are out there... or that these are all somehow connected.

(Of course, that was part of the point - you weren't supposed to know until they suckered you with it. At this point, however, I think it's safe to say the cat is well and truly out of the bag.)

If you went into one game/anime/manga/etc expecting a certain kind of story, seeing things go in such a direction might seem more jarring to some.

I don't mind it, personally, as you might have guessed, but I can understand if others did.

Alchemist007

2010-02-05, 17:05

For KGNE in particular (with how serious it was) it just seems...out of whack.
I'm usually a bit more open to alterations, even if I pay less attention to them.

gurakshun1

2010-02-19, 20:55

Speaking of which, does anyone know whats going on with the website kiminozo.jp? I can't understand any of it, is it even related to KGNE anymore?

Alchemist007

2010-02-20, 00:26

Looks like a blog O_o

gurakshun1

2010-02-21, 15:37

Looks like it, but is it even related to KGNE anymore? I wish I could tell...

Malintex_Terek

2011-04-02, 19:47

Alternative is the most spectacular visual novel I've ever played. 10/10, 100/100, 10000/10000 - one can't call it anything less than a Masterpiece. It needs a lot of investment in watching KGNE, Akane Maniax and then playing Extra and Unlimited, but it was well worth it.

I'm ruined for anime/manga, it can offer me nothing more after playing Alternative.

lHyDrAl

2011-07-11, 01:47

Does watching KGNE and Akane Maniax suffice over playing their respective eroges? No English patches around and I really don't feel like paying for a game I have trouble understanding.

Zelloss

2011-07-24, 12:08

http://zellmuvluv.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ligne-du-temps-21.jpg?w=604&h=189
If you understand french, zellmuvluv explain relation KMNE, Akane,... with Muv-Luv ;)

charizardpal

2012-03-17, 08:39

Speaking of which, does anyone know whats going on with the website kiminozo.jp? I can't understand any of it, is it even related to KGNE anymore?

I think their real site is http://www.age-soft.jp/
They're still remaking the kimi nozomu universe and muv-luv games endlessly I think rather than new ones.

superangelo128

2012-05-07, 22:30

I've read the whole Muv Luv series and like it but I didnt know of the Kimi ga Nozomu Eien cameos till after.

I'm thinking of watching the series soon.

Timsel

2012-05-09, 00:43

By the way - english translation of MLA prequel "Schwarzesmarken"`s first chapter from Mister V is here:

http://xmistervx.blogspot.com/

Promising story about DDR pilots fighting BETA in 1983, 18 years before The Day of Alternative IV with art from CARNELIAN.

What a pity that we have raw scans only for first chapter that was published in Tech Gian!

delorean2200

2012-05-10, 02:53

I found this and was quite surprised:

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Suddenly the principle on which there suits are made seems way more credible :heh:.

Silvance

2012-05-28, 16:23

Muv-Luv general thread, huh? Anything Muv-Luv related? Does that mean we can discuss the other series outside of the main trilogy? Just double-checking to make sure. >:3

On the side note, there sure have been a lot of TE figures being released as of late.

Who else is hoping for GSC releasing more figures of the characters in their eishi suit? I sure am. I'd do anything for a Yuzuka, Irisdina, or Yui eishi suit pvc. T^T

delorean2200

2012-06-17, 13:43

NorthernFallout

2012-06-17, 13:46

^I've been looking for that vid since I saw it. Thanks for posting again. Would so like to try it out simply for the feel.

delorean2200

2012-06-25, 11:12

Found quite a gem of a video it really makes you remember all the good parts of the series:

*DO NOT WATCH IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THROUGH THE ORIGINAL MUV-LUV AND MUV-LUV ATERNATIVE VISUAL NOVELS CONTAINS SPOILERS*

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grevierr

2012-06-25, 11:28

Enjoy some awesome Videos for MLA in the mean time: (Warning Massive Spoilers if you haven't played)

one of the better summaries of ML to MLA

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Sendou

2012-06-25, 15:54

I don't know if this is the right thread or not but did anyone else noticed this:

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I really wish this gets finished, i don't even need a story just fighting swarms of beta in an actual TSF suffices for me XD.

I saw those videos in youtube months ago. I think it's not done yet, but I have to applaud the one who's working on it. I can't imagine how much effort was put into it. He should include an option to use the S-11, that'd be a nice addition. If health points is almost out, it'd be wonderful to have an option to pass on with a bang. lol.

Found quite a gem of a video it really makes you remember all the good parts of the series:
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Enjoy some awesome Videos for MLA in the mean time: (Warning Massive Spoilers if you haven't played)

one of the better summaries of ML to MLA

eaPNKuM0oCE

What can I say? Really loved the scenes from Altered Fable that was used by the videos since it reminded me of how peaceful and fun that world is like. It helps me forget the suffering from Alternative even for just a brief moment.

delorean2200

2012-06-25, 16:29

Yeah to bad Alter Fable never was translated... we could have all used some therapy after Alternative...

gbatemper

2012-06-26, 01:01

Yeah to bad Alter Fable never was translated... we could have all used some therapy after Alternative...
No, Altered Fable also induces rage.
It's pretty good though, I read it (Not really I can only semi read Japanese, I'm fluent conversationally so I more listened to it).

That goddam volleyball game. I spent countless nights trying to figure out how it works, and I even had my one of my friends Read the Japanese instructions for me and we both didn't know what the hell it meant. Also the sled/ski game is very RAGE INDUCING. Doesn't help that the win in a volleyball game is required for a good ending.

Sendou

2012-06-26, 02:06

Altered Fable is quite funny so it was worth the trouble. Scars from Alternative slowly healed thanks to its outrageous humor.

I concur about the games though. I thought the sled game was the end of it, but they just had to include the volleyball game. I love the storm vanguard theme, but damn, I detest playing such minigames with horrible mechanics even with my favorite track playing in the background.

delorean2200

2012-06-26, 02:13

gbatemper

2012-06-26, 02:21

gbatemper

2012-06-26, 02:22

grevierr

2012-06-26, 02:42

No, Altered Fable also induces rage.
It's pretty good though, I read it (Not really I can only semi read Japanese, I'm fluent conversationally so I more listened to it).

That goddam volleyball game. I spent countless nights trying to figure out how it works, and I even had my one of my friends Read the Japanese instructions for me and we both didn't know what the hell it meant. Also the sled/ski game is very RAGE INDUCING. Doesn't help that the win in a volleyball game is required for a good ending.

Whats the problem? I lost both and got endings anyway. I used machine translation all the way.

The key flags are the snow hut, and who you visit at the huts. There is a guide for the series of flags to raise for the endings. Nothing to do with the games.

Loved the way everyone comes back in for one last gathering though. And the 'ball game' got me rolling in stitches. Only other side-story this interesting was the AyuMayu alternative... which i don't really want to remember...

Sendou

2012-06-26, 02:48

Can you give instructions for the mini games then ? i'm thinking of playing Altered Fable even if i have to use some translator... but it seems without some explanation of those minigames i'll be lost...

sled ski is easy to figure out, but hard to control considering a slight mistake in pressing the side keys can jeopardize your attempt to change direction. I think it was w, a , s, d for directions... or was it the arrow keys? It's been a long time since I played it.

I gave up and used a save file from sagaoz.

>The sex was all a dream :( bad end

Dream, but it showed Takeru which girl he's most conscious of. Didn't Mana and Maya also mentioned that the choices he made in that matrix-like world is not entirely farfetched since he would've done the same in the real world?

Also, you mentioned good ending but requires winning the volleyball game?

ARE YOU SERIOUS? ITS POSSIBLE TO WIN? Whoever is capable of such things deserves a medal.

grevierr

2012-06-26, 02:53

Also, you mentioned good ending but requires winning the volleyball game?

ARE YOU SERIOUS? ITS POSSIBLE TO WIN? Whoever is capable of such things deserves a medal.

Try playing against Mitsuki and Haruka... those were the hardest players. And you only need to use your mouse to play the volleyball game, if i remember... there was a trick to it...

I think Mana was saying the dream was linked to whoever was most on his mind then. So if you followed the guide for the hut interactions, you can choose your 'dream', regardless of the game.

And i just remembered, my avatar is somewhat linked to the Marimo ending, lolz. replace it with Takeru.

Sendou

2012-06-26, 02:59

How do you get Marimo's ending? I got her scene where Yuuko tested Takeru's commitment for Marimo, but I ended up getting Kasumi's ending instead. I don't know where I went wrong.

I was really shocked when Yuuko revealed that Marimo is actually attracted to her own student. Considering Marimo always compares Hibiki to Takeru in TDA, it makes me wonder if she developed strong affections for her student in the other world as well.

grevierr

2012-06-26, 03:05

How do you get Marimo's ending? I got her scene where Yuuko tested Takeru's commitment for Marimo, but I ended up getting Kasumi's ending instead. I don't know where I went wrong.

P.S.
I was really shocked when Yuuko revealed that Marimo is actually attracted to her own student. Considering Marimo always compares Hibiki to Takeru in TDA, it makes me wonder if she developed strong affections for her student in the other world as well.

Err... Its Takeru's mind... so nothing to do with the real world. Only Mad Dog Marimo ending for ML:E was the other scene.

For marimo end, you need to check the jap wiki. I'll see if i can find the link once i'm back from work. Its the series of places visited at the last part.

Sendou

2012-06-26, 03:11

Err... Its Takeru's mind... so nothing to do with the real world. Only Mad Dog Marimo ending for ML:E was the other scene.

For marimo end, you need to check the jap wiki. I'll see if i can find the link once i'm back from work. Its the series of places visited at the last part.

Umm... In Meiya's "date" scene where she took Takeru to one of Mitsurugi Enterprise's hidden facility underground, that information was true in the real world. When Takeru mentioned it to Maya, and Mana in response to their question about what he experienced during the entire ordeal, the two Tsukuyomis were surprised since he even found about such things despite not receiving the information from any of the characters in the real world. :heh:

I don't know about the other readers, but I find it difficult to fully deny the possibility of Marimo falling for her student in the real world as well.

Really? It'd be great if you could. Been trying to get her ending but failed so many times.

grevierr

2012-06-26, 03:14

Umm... In Meiya's "romance" scene where she took Takeru to one of Mitsurugi enterprises hidden facility underground, that information was true in the real world. When Takeru mentioned it to Maya, and Mana in response to their question about what he experienced during the entire ordeal. The two Tsukuyomis were surprised since he even found about such things despite not receiving the information from any of the characters in the real world. :heh:

Really? It'd be great if you could. Been trying to get her ending but failed so many times.

Yes, but there was no Super Robots there, wasn't it... So some interference from the quantum universe, and the rest from his mind. Its a mini version of the dimension portal Yoko created in MLA to send him to AU anyway, so that might actually be a parallel world. Do think too much bout it...

Found a guide, http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Falteredfable.wikidb.info%2F

Sendou

2012-06-26, 03:17

grevierr

2012-06-26, 03:23

^ Yeah, there wasn't, but some information were true nonetheless regardless of how small it is. I can hope even if its a small chance, no? Oh come on, can't you see how pathetic I am? Let me dream please. lol. j/k

Another parallel universe, huh? I can't say I dislike it.

Thanks for the guide. Will use it soon.

You're welcome

Try AyuMayu Alternative next. Its got more Lolz and insanity than the rest... Its the true difference between super robots and real robots...

Silvance

2012-06-26, 20:41

grevierr

2012-06-26, 20:47

Seems like the vn for Total Eclipse will be for the consoles... I hope there will be a PC version someday...

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/06/26/more-muv-luv-for-xbox-360-lots-of-luv-for-ps3/

I'm curious whether it will come with a figma like the 360 release. If it turns out to be Yui, then I'm afraid I'll have to give in, and make my wallet sad once again.

LUV FOR MUV LUV!

I'm just hoping they release some english language ver of the VNs someday. TE coming to PC is more or less an given, if they have it for consoles. After all, they are releasing the ML trilogy for the PC for the 4th time. Windows 7 ver.

Too bad rUGP v6.0 is not compatible with any text hooker currently. Anyone know if they worked around it yet?

Silvance

2012-06-26, 21:01

gbatemper

2012-06-26, 21:26

Haven't heard of anyone finding the /h code for v6 yet. :heh:

But do you even need that? From your posts, it seems your Japanese is fluent enough to get past the language and technical barriers for the novels.

As for the win7 release, I' praying they'll use new sprites for it. The new look of the Shiranui and Raptor in TDA were just spectacular above all reasons. Just thinking how they'll improve those things even more just makes feel ecstatic. Any word whether it'll be all Ages? I'm starting to miss the pointy mountains after going through Chronicles 3.
The novels are awfully boring.
It's mostly like a typical mecha LN, except for the occasional info dumps on muv-luv world history or tsf capabilities, in addition to some internal politics mixed in. The rest is either perverted humor with Yuuya being the mature one while his comrades fool around, Moe moments, etc. The manga is better, it's less boring, but it's stuck on volume 3 after getting a new artist.

Oh, and Yuuya has a obnoxious problem of immediatly saying he is not Japanese when questioned and he once hit a fellow soldier (who was also Japanese American) for asking "your Japanese too, right?". He get's rid of it though. Kriska is overprotective of Inia and Yuuya pretty much gives her some emotional comfort, but she gets a little "too" close. Tsundere. Yui is also a tsundere, Yuuya's fellow comrades knows Yui likes him pretty much. Yuuya's ignorance to it is sometimes made as a joke, and Yui is sometimes deeply embarrassed by Yuuya's ignorant remarks.

Malkuth

2012-06-26, 21:41

So asking here too. Is there a story synopsis for Alternative? I could only find one for Extra/Unlimited. I remember reading somewhere years ago about some dark plotlines and grim deaths :heh:

Also what's the deal with alternative 1-5 :confused:

And Total Eclipse (paper) novels share only the setting, but not the characters with Alternative and Extra/Unlimited, right?

Tempester

2012-06-26, 21:49

@Malkuth: You're seriously not going playing the VNs? Spoiling yourself to the VN plot is robbing yourself of what could be an incredible, exhilarating experience. Some of the twists in the VNs are mind-blowing and cannot give you the same feeling if you know about them in advance. And it's not like the Total Eclipse anime is going anywhere, you're not obligated to watch it immediately.

Malkuth

2012-06-26, 21:56

@Tempester: I will not install windows just to play a VN, however good its translation might be. If there was a game script like the ones flowing around for Tsukihime and Fate, I might have considered that, but an extended synopsis without literally fluff is what I prefer.

grevierr

2012-06-26, 22:07

Haven't heard of anyone finding the /h code for v6 yet. :heh:

But do you even need that? From your posts, it seems your Japanese is fluent enough to get past the language and technical barriers for the novels.

As for the win7 release, I' praying they'll use new sprites for it. The new look of the Shiranui and Raptor in TDA were just spectacular above all reasons. Just thinking how they'll improve those things even more just makes feel ecstatic. Any word whether it'll be all Ages? I'm starting to miss the pointy mountains after going through Chronicles 3.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but actually its all from using AGTH...:heh:
I just have an understanding of voices and emotions, and recognize enough spoken Japanese to navigate Tokyo. I just read alot of Sci-Fi over the years, and can recognize all the technical terms they show by their animations, and by inference of the translated text. Otherwise, i can't read a single Kranji... :(

So without a text hooker, i'm out for the newer stories like ML:Chronicles 3...

And yes, they are using the X-Box 360 graphics and rGUPv6 engine for the Win7 ver, with widescreen aspect. Just wondering if its the All Age ver or the normal one too.

Tempester

2012-06-26, 22:14

@Malkuth: Well, ultimately it's your call and I can't stop you from spoiling yourself.

But one last thing: it's confirmed that the Total Eclipse anime will have additional scenes and content that will flesh out the BETA universe for those who are unfamiliar with the Muv-Luv series. So spoiling the story of the main VN trilogy for yourself probably won't be necessary.

Silvance

2012-06-26, 22:26

The novels are awfully boring.
It's mostly like a typical mecha LN, except for the occasional info dumps on muv-luv world history or tsf capabilities

I'm fine with that. Besides, I'm well aware that TE cannot even compare to the main series. It's primary goal was to expand upon the tsf technology which they delivered without problems. That, plus selling TSF figures to the fans. lol.

So asking here too. Is there a story synopsis for Alternative? I could only find one for Extra/Unlimited. I remember reading somewhere years ago about some dark plotlines and grim deaths :heh:

Also what's the deal with alternative 1-5 :confused:

And Total Eclipse (paper) novels share only the setting, but not the characters with Alternative and Extra/Unlimited, right?

Why would you want to read synopsis for the main trilogy? Is it to understand the Muv-Luv world better? If so, it's not needed. Kouki already mentioned they plan to make the anime friendly to the newcomers so don't worry. Plus, I don't recommend doing such things just to be on the safe side.

Yes, Total Eclipse has different cast than the trilogy.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but actually its all from using AGTH...:heh:

Oh my god, really? Man, I was so convinced about it too. lol.

grevierr

2012-06-27, 00:51

Oh my god, really? Man, I was so convinced about it too. lol.

Pictures do speak a thousand words:) And I went through phrase by phrase with the translator to pick up the meanings. It really increased my Jap understanding. I'm now good enough to understand by listening. Still can't do anything if its just text though.

Silvance

2012-06-28, 02:53

Pictures do speak a thousand words:) And I went through phrase by phrase with the translator to pick up the meanings. It really increased my Jap understanding. I'm now good enough to understand by listening. Still can't do anything if its just text though.

Keep it up. You'll get better if you don't stop learning the language. :3

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201206/28017088.html
Series are going to have a game for PS3 and Xbox360.

Oh yes!!

Finally piloting TSFs in a game!

Wut?!! I thought it's just gonna be a visual novel.

Rough translation of a sentence in the article.

ゲーム版がどのような内容になるのかは、いまのところ不明である
As for what kind of content the game version will end up having, it still remains unknown at the moment.

Content is still unknown. I'm more inclined to think that its a vn to be honest.

grylsyjaeger

2012-06-28, 03:04

Aww, I want an actual game.

grevierr

2012-06-28, 03:49

Should be the continuation of the TE VN promo that came with Altered Fable years ago. TE was the test bed for VN expansion in the MLA universe back then after all, together with Chicken Divers and the Marimo Special from the Comiket issues later. It was all bundled together for Chronicles 1 later.

Hope the Insanity OP comes back in the anime somewhere.

3 more days to go ^^

grylsyjaeger

2012-06-28, 04:36

Only three days? Stoked!

And I hate to ask this but is your avatar who I think they are? XD

grevierr

2012-06-28, 08:16

Only three days? Stoked!

And I hate to ask this but is your avatar who I think they are? XD

The first live people you see in MLA, yup. It was good to see them getting some love from AGE...

Have some pics, of people we won't see in the anime...

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/b0004863_4c614f2c0467e.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1311243707773.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1305173758317.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1303693024005.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1303189731067.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1301984097538.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1301625286534.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/20090810_marimo.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/20081111_gatesoldiers.jpg

Von Himmel

2012-06-28, 08:36

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1301984097538.jpg
I think I've found that picture in a MAD somewhere which depict an IF scenario where all the girls somehow survived (and the guys from japan rebel too) and helps Takeru fights in the final battle...does anyone here still has it?

grevierr

2012-06-28, 08:48

I think I've found that picture in a MAD somewhere which depict an IF scenario where all the girls somehow survived (and the guys from japan rebel too) and helps Takeru fights in the final battle...does anyone here still has it?

You mean this abomination? Nope it doesn't have it. Its from the All Age ver of MLA.
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Von Himmel

2012-06-28, 09:19

It's definitely the right MAD that I was talking about, but..
Its from the All Age ver of MLA.
That's weird..though the first time I did see that picture was in a MAD somewhere which brings me to tears :( When did that scene happen?

grevierr

2012-06-28, 09:38

It's definitely the right MAD that I was talking about, but..

That's weird..though the first time I did see that picture was in a MAD somewhere which brings me to tears :( When did that scene happen?

Looks like i'm wrong. I thought it was the part just after the base invasion when he was having flash back of the dead.
It might be from one of the prequel side stories then, during the operation to capture a live BETA specimen for Yuko.

Syed_Seinaru_Migi

2012-06-28, 11:23

Yo guys...care to tell me how many main character...in Muv-Luv Universe..i mean all of it....other than Takeru,Yuuya and Hibiki.....in case put in spoiler tag if someone didn't want to see it....

delorean2200

2012-06-28, 12:46

The first live people you see in MLA, yup. It was good to see them getting some love from AGE...

Actually they are the first people you see in unlimited as well :p.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1303189731067.jpg

Anyone has a larger version of this ?

grylsyjaeger

2012-06-28, 16:15

Damn I want a Muv-Luv image thread so we can share all our accumulated images!

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1303693024005.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1305173758317.jpg

Those images are fantastic, I love Mitsuki.

gbatemper

2012-06-28, 22:40

Yo guys...care to tell me how many main character...in Muv-Luv Universe..i mean all of it....other than Takeru,Yuuya and Hibiki.....in case put in spoiler tag if someone didn't want to see it....
Muv-Luv universe? That includes thing such as Kimi-nozo, Ayu-Mayu, and pretty much most of age's works which all somehow intertwine.
Here is a fan art done by xorterenshe

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/100/b/f/the_kimiita_character_spectrum_by_xorte_renshe-d4vczjl.jpg

gbatemper

2012-06-28, 22:46

aohige

2012-06-28, 22:52

I actually had to wait 3 years real time until MLA was released.
For those 3 years, "ｵﾙﾀﾏﾀﾞｰ" was a common chant you saw everywhere. :heh:

Malkuth

2012-06-29, 11:49

Since we are not on /m/, I won't reply with

HentaiCGofMitsukiwithadoggyleash.jpg
Slut.

There is still Mitsuki hate... come on guys :upset:

grylsyjaeger

2012-06-29, 16:35

Sorry I can't say I was aware of this Mitsuki hate.

Silvance

2012-06-29, 21:25

There is still Mitsuki hate... come on guys :upset:

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

As for Mitsuki, I like her a lot too actually. Definitely one of my favorite characters in A01.

Von Himmel

2012-06-29, 22:01

It's probably because of KGNE that there's so much hate for her :uhoh:

Tempester

2012-06-29, 22:07

It's probably because of KGNE that there's so much hate for her :uhoh:

And since I never played or watched Kiminozo, I like her from what I've seen of her in Muv-Luv.

Malkuth

2012-06-29, 23:21

Silvance

2012-06-30, 01:23

I liked her in the beginning of KimiNozo for supporting the MC, but when he treated her like crap, I fell in love with her because of her reaction :naughty:

So in Muv-Luv she is just another harmless side-kick :confused: :uhoh: :(

I was torn between Mitsuki and Haruka in KGNE to be honest. However, in Muv-Luv, she easily won me over among the KGNE cast. Gotta love the scenes between her and Munakata.

Mitsuki? Harmless? Er... As long as she doesn't get drunk I guess. She's a very reliable teammate and superior officer, that's all I can say.

Last but not least, TE is almost here. I really hope it doesn't disappoint. :heh:

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/1341035187666.jpg

delorean2200

2012-06-30, 02:15

I've seen the KGNE anime/ova series, so don't know about the novel but there i liked her the most of the cast. As for Muv-Luv out of Izumi's valkyries she was also my favorite, even more then Izumi, she just had a nice way of standing out.

gbatemper

2012-06-30, 04:13

Kiminozo's VN form is much more brutal and depressing then the anime, as anime is anime cannot show certain things.

Can't goddam wait for TE anime, for the simple fact that it's Muv-Luv and anime. I really didn't like the novel. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18225241 Ending Theme.

Malkuth

2012-06-30, 10:30

Is there a script (either japanese or english) for Mitsuki's route? As well as one for Alternative?

Syed_Seinaru_Migi

2012-06-30, 12:12

Hey guys...have you all got a problem cannot play Chizuru route in ML unlimited...cause i cannot play.......can explain why her route didn't appear in this....
http://i.imgur.com/6pcz7.png

Silvance

2012-06-30, 13:27

You did not earn enough eyebrows points. You will have to load one of your older save files. Make sure to pick the choices that would get you to interact with Chizuru more often. For instance, at night you have a choice what game to play, and with whom. Choose the one that Chizuru wants to play. Another example is a scene where you are given a choice which character you want to borrow a string from, again choose Chizuru.

grevierr

2012-06-30, 13:57

Also make sure you choose the correct choice in the outfield survivor test.

The way it works, you can reload the saves at each choice, run all the options, and continue, and all the paths will be open, until you choose the girl for the last choice.

Ctrl is your friend. Allows for fast forward.

delorean2200

2012-07-01, 03:02

Personally i went on the common route, by the time i finished i had all but one option (which requires a complete game to pursue).

grevierr

2012-07-01, 08:09

Personally i went on the common route, by the time i finished i had all but one option (which requires a complete game to pursue).

If you saved at that point, you can reload after the end to see the choice appear.

delorean2200

2012-07-01, 12:23

Yup that's how i did :).

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-02, 21:40

Well we've had anime rewatches but how about a VN replay? XD

I'll be starting Alternative against soon.

grevierr

2012-07-03, 00:39

Going to stop posting on the TE thread for now until there is something i can respond to without being a spoiler... Ep1 reviews are over-saturated.

As for replaying MLA, i believe some of us have already played enough times to have remembered the fine details. Last I played was the xbox version, next i will try the ps3 ver. Win7 should be the same as ps3 ver i think.

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-03, 01:24

Oh there is going to be a new version for PC as well? I was umming on getting the PS3 release slated for October.

grevierr

2012-07-03, 01:44

Win7 ver was released last month.

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-03, 01:55

Win7 ver was released last month.

Damn. I didn't notice it, any idea where the Limited Edition would still be available?

grevierr

2012-07-03, 01:58

No idea if there was an limited ed. The main webpage didn't mention it at all, unlike the xbox limited ed.

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-03, 02:01

Hmm you're right. Searched all the usual suspects and didn't get a bite.

Might continue to pre-order the PS3 version.

delorean2200

2012-07-03, 02:42

Going to stop posting on the TE thread for now until there is something i can respond to without being a spoiler... Ep1 reviews are over-saturated.

Going to stop as well, especially since some can see eps a lot faster then me i don't want to be spoiled :heh:.

Marcus H.

2012-07-03, 04:28

NorthernFallout

2012-07-03, 04:34

Question: Were the TSFs developed at a time way before the BETAs' first landing on Earth? I can't believe that these TSFs should be capable of fighting equally against a BETA because the technology appears to be too down-to-earth.Accoridng to the timline, the first TSF was the F4-Phantom, in 1974, one year after BETAs arrived on Earth. They arrived on the moon prior to that, but there weren't any TSFs around.

Marcus H.

2012-07-03, 04:43

So the TSFs were simply poorly equipped, even decades after the first landing.

Humanity is truly screwed, unless we get technology that can compare to Gurren Lagann's power.

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-03, 05:10

So the TSFs were simply poorly equipped, even decades after the first landing.

The TSFs are modeled (and named) after modern aircraft so you have sort of think of them exactly like airplanes in terms of development and how they evolve.

You have the original "First Generation" Tactical Surface Fighters deployed to fight the BETA. The original tactics saw TSFs employed as heavily armoured weapons platforms that were part of the defensive lines.

They relied upon their armour for survival but this thinking was inherently flawed with the constant shifting of battle lines and casualties mounted as TSFs were cut off due to low maneuverability and initially poor control systems.

The "Second Generation" like aircraft development took the lessons learned from the first generation and improved them. Improvements like avionics and similiar systems but also saw a change in tactics.

"Second Generation" TSFs focused on reducing the weight by using more modern composite armours and improved power to weight ratios with better engines. They were able to move faster and respond and are very successful.

Although the Third Generation units are appearing across the battlefields of Earth, the majority of those units still fighting are Second Generation machines that like real aircraft, are being continuously upgraded and retrofitted with more advanced technology as it becomes available.

Third Generation Units are the epitome of TSF development to that point. A major feature was the use of fibre optic cabling to reduce lag in controls unlike conventional Fly-By-Wire in use with the Second Generation and before. The Third Gen include but not limited to the fearsome F-22A Raptor which focuses on anti-TSF combat ability, the Euro F-2000 Typhoon acting as the sword that defends Europe, the Japanese Type-04 Shiranui the world's first Third Gen TSF and my favourite, the Type-00 Takemikazuchi used by the Imperial Guard.

Each country has their own tactics and outfits their TSFs accordingly. The US forces' TSFs only carry short blades as their CQB weapons as they loathe close combat against the BETA.

Europe is similar but their Typhoon is equipped with blades on it's forearms and the angular nature of it's armour could very well be used as a weapon.

Japan's forces adhering to their Samuari roots are quite proficient with the use of large blades in combat and are very much a part of the Japanese military doctrine. Even the UN Forces like A-01 famed Valkyries, particularly their Storm Vanguard unit.

My favourite weapon system has to be how the knives are deployed from the F-22A Raptor, damn I wish Kotobukiya would release a Raptor kit so I can mimic the pose in the Integral Arts...

grevierr

2012-07-03, 05:11

Question: Were the TSFs developed at a time way before the BETAs' first landing on Earth? I can't believe that these TSFs should be capable of fighting equally against a BETA because the technology appears to be too down-to-earth.

Also, have you considered the BETAs to be created too overpowered by the creators?

TSFs were created as powered walkers for use on the moon's surface, as BETA had been located on Mars as of WW2 time. However, development was not made faster until the fall of moon (aka irl after WW2 through to Cold War, vietnam war). So if you follow the timeline modern planes are developed, it would be roughly the same time.

As for how powerful BETAs are, i think they are exactly the right power. Not at the level of Starship troopers novel, where they all have lasers, but at the level of the movie, so its mostly swarm tactics. It needs to be at a level where humanity almost does not stand a chance, for the plot to work. Please note that the size of the main BETA forms are of just right to justify having giant humanoid mecha...

Also, while the destroyer class has armor upfront (the ones that tank shells bounce off), they dont at the back, and most of the beta have weak spots somewhere. That's why one TSF can take on 45 Fortress class and uncounted Destroyer and Grappler class and survive... if they had the right pilot...

Marcus H.

2012-07-03, 05:37

if they had the right pilot...

That's the problem. Total Eclipse explores the scenario wherein the entirety of the world's armed forces are only increased in number through conscripting, and we all know how much conscripts contribute to the casualties in the Second World War due to insufficient training and little to no exposure to practical training. Of course, we can't just rely on "the right pilot" due to the sheer number of BETAs.

That makes me think that these BETAs are too powerful — or that the creator of the story wants to maximize the despair especially since

despite the destruction of the Hives in Canada and China, it was said that it only gave the Earth resistance 30 years additional time to survive against the BETAs. Then it mentions that there are ten undecillion more BETAs in outer space.

grevierr

2012-07-03, 05:48

That's the problem. Total Eclipse explores the scenario wherein the entirety of the world's armed forces are only increased in number through conscripting, and we all know how much conscripts contribute to the casualties in the Second World War due to insufficient training and little to no exposure to practical training. Of course, we can't just rely on "the right pilot" due to the sheer number of BETAs.

That makes me think that these BETAs are too powerful — or that the creator of the story wants to maximize the despair especially since

despite the destruction of the Hives in Canada and China, it was said that it only gave the Earth resistance 30 years additional time to survive against the BETAs. Then it mentions that there are ten undecillion more BETAs in outer space.

Conscripts still won them the war... The survivors are instant veterans. Not sure if you got the point of mla, hope in despair..the one pilot and his system allows humanity to fight back, to the point in 2004 they have the chance to clear off the last beta hive on earth. Thats 30 years of development, not survival. The battleship captain said it, for the first time, humanity has a chance. Unless u are talking bout unlimited after...

Marcus H.

2012-07-03, 06:06

Not sure if you got the point of mla, hope in despair..

I get what Muv-Luv tries to say, but I was never a fan of series which dwell on "hope in despair" because I don't like to see characters who are constantly in despair. I hoped that the resistance were just as capable as a named character as some of the characters in Gundam 00, because there you'd see that the fight isn't that one-sided to begin with. This is just despair at gen Urobuchi levels.

grevierr

2012-07-03, 07:02

I get what Muv-Luv tries to say, but I was never a fan of series which dwell on "hope in despair" because I don't like to see characters who are constantly in despair. I hoped that the resistance were just as capable as a named character as some of the characters in Gundam 00, because there you'd see that the fight isn't that one-sided to begin with. This is just despair at gen Urobuchi levels.

Fair enough, i guess its painful for you to empathize with characters who are constantly in dire status.

After all, in the Grim Darkness that is MuvLuvAlternative, there is only NOM NOM NOM!

The other story that really made me cry was the Robotics saga by Issac Asimov. Imaging knowing humanity is going down the drain, and having to live long enough to start it back up again... There is a reason why I hated I' Robot the movie...
At the very least, the Singularity object would have serve as an inspiration for the next batch of warriors, especially those that would have known him. And other than that, the key person who provided the tech to make all that happen is still in control of the Alternative plan. Imagine a fleet of mobile fortress storming the front...

And there is the distinct possibility of uploading a virus to accept carbon based lifeforms, or an unit quad00 that can communicate with the ETs behind the BETAs... (since you brought up 00... which i always thought was ripping off several other plots, and having a deus ex gundamia) 30 years can have lots of development.

I always saw MLA to be a gritty realistic mecha alternate world story. Unlike other mecha shows nowadays...

Marcus H.

2012-07-03, 07:27

^ The closest dream for that is a more serious adaptation of Full Metal Panic!. And is that Rinne no Lagrange you're talking about?

grevierr

2012-07-03, 07:39

^ The closest dream for that is a more serious adaptation of Full Metal Panic!. And is that Rinne no Lagrange you're talking about?

More like every single mecha show after Stellvia of the Universe and Blue Gender. FMP is still too super real for me.

gbatemper

2012-07-03, 09:15

Guys, I'm having trouble on GET RAPED BY BETA 2.0 on Haruko Maniax.
I'm on mission 3 on VERY EASY. Any tips?

Apparently in later missions you encounter upwards of 100+ BETA Units while you have under 20 TSF+Tank units.

Belgaesh

2012-07-03, 19:35

I think this image will go well here, but I don't know about it in the anime thread.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/769/1309550914989.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/521/1309550914989.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

P.S: It's only missing Muv-Luv Chronicles 3.

grevierr

2012-07-03, 21:05

Just wanted to check, anyone here read the John Ringo Posleen War series?

Its like Starship troopers, with more war and machines. And its most like the situation in MLA as well. Again, humanity is almost at despair status, when human tech and ingenuity overcomes.

Von Himmel

2012-07-03, 21:13

Conscripts still won them the war... The survivors are instant veterans. Not sure if you got the point of mla, hope in despair..the one pilot and his system allows humanity to fight back, to the point in 2004 they have the chance to clear off the last beta hive on earth. Thats 30 years of development, not survival. The battleship captain said it, for the first time, humanity has a chance. Unless u are talking bout unlimited after...

Were you talking about Takeru after his last battle in alternative? Does humanity finally managed to get rid of Beta? :(

grevierr

2012-07-03, 21:39

Were you talking about Takeru after his last battle in alternative? Does humanity finally managed to get rid of Beta? :(

Yup, Takeru and Yoko. Without them, Alternative 4 was screwed.

It was implied that they had finally reached that point, so i'm taking the positive view that it was the last hive they were talking about.

This is based off the side story of the youngest sister of the Valkyrie leader (I can nvr remb the names...), where at the end they showed a group of Type-04 Shiranui Second assaulting the hive. Not sure if the MLA reference guide Intergral Works had mentioned if all the other hives are really gone at that point in time.

There are, of course, bizillions of betas still out there... But the chance of the HI-MAERF Project being mass produced is also there, so...

delorean2200

2012-07-03, 23:02

Tk3997

2012-07-06, 06:04

Not sure if you got the point of mla, hope in despair..

Fair enough, i guess its painful for you to empathize with characters who are constantly in dire status.I've seen variations on this before and it's a daft argument, just as bad as some of the haters own knee jerk nonsense. I think what some fans don't quite grasp is that many people that dislike the series aren't "too stupid" to get it, they get it just fine, but don't particularly like what's being said, or more precisely in most cases I think how it's done.

The problem is that if you push this kind of thing too far it stops being compelling and heartbreaking and starts to become amusing, or just eye roll inducing. See constant pointless death and despair isn't "realistic" and it's not particularly good storytelling for the most part either. When the atmosphere becomes so almost cartoonishly bleak it starts to come off almost as a parody. Honestly I'm mostly watching it cause I'm a bit of an ass and I enjoy picking things apart at a technical level.

After all, in the Grim Darkness that is MuvLuvAlternative, there is only NOM NOM NOM!Which is why it comes off as rather trite.

In all honestly though I think your utilization of a 40k meme is rather apropos, as that's a universe that has reached and leaped the threshold I was speaking off. As let's be honest here nothing in 40k is actually depressing or compelling anymore; it's turned into black comedy. Muv-Luv is, for me anyway, flirting with that line. Where when I'm probably supposed to horrified or depressed I find myself bemused or irritated over the constant stream of coincidences, poor choices, or terrible outcomes that keep making everything worse. It's like a meta-fictional slap stick routine where the characters blunders onto a wet floor, brains himself on a shelf knocking a bucket onto his head, and then wanders around dazed and blinded off a giant sheer cliff that was inexplicably placed ten feet away...

More like every single mecha show after Stellvia of the Universe and Blue Gender. FMP is still too super real for me.

I always saw MLA to be a gritty realistic mecha alternate world story. Unlike other mecha shows nowadays...I'm gonna have to kinda question how exactly Muv-Luv can classify as "realistic" in any sense of the word. Last I checked draining the oceans with unobtainium bombs, anti-gravity propelled doom fortresses, biological organisms somehow able to produce weapons grade lasers, and ESP are junk science of the highest order. Honestly the entire "biological creatures can threaten modern armies" idea is both preposterous, and at this point frankly cliche enough, to dispute it's realism all on it's own.

Just wanted to check, anyone here read the John Ringo Posleen War series?

Its like Starship troopers, with more war and machines. And its most like the situation in MLA as well. Again, humanity is almost at despair status, when human tech and ingenuity overcomes.I'm quite familiar with the series and the numerous problems is tends to share blatantly nationalist viewpoint, hilariously contrived scenario, boring and flat antagonists, and utterly illogical weapons systems in response to the invaders, and only some tiny group outside the normal chain of command seeming to do ANYTHING useful among the humans. All more minor niggles that keep me cool on the franchise as a whole and that's why I'd rate the Posleen books "okay if you mostly disengage your brain and laugh at the melodrama", and I suppose on Balance I'd have to give Muv-Luv a similar rating.

ACS would just ruin everything's shit though, BETA war I'd be over in like a month with a division of those.

fertygo

2012-07-06, 10:55

Is very necessary to watch KGNE and Akane Maniax before playing Muv-Luv Extra?

Tempester

2012-07-06, 12:07

Hakuryou Academy gets a new transfer student!

http://i.imgur.com/e0cyV.jpg

Is very necessary to watch KGNE and Akane Maniax before playing Muv-Luv Extra?

Nope. Muv-Luv works well as a standalone story.

LystAP

2012-07-06, 13:35

Honestly the entire "biological creatures can threaten modern armies" idea is both preposterous, and at this point frankly cliche enough, to dispute it's realism all on it's own.

To be fair, the BETA are more like self-evolving robots than naturally-occurring biological creatures. They're the complete inverse of us and our technology, created by a intelligent lifeform distinctly different from us according to the Superior at the end of Alternative. Where we are Carbon-based lifeforms that develop Silicon-based technology, the BETA's creators are Silicon-based lifeforms that develop Carbon-based technology.

The BETA are programmed to not believe that they are living beings (As found in Alternative), and by proxy, they do not believe that humans or any other Carbon-based "life" on Earth are living beings (As discovered in the in universe Alternative III project).

So not only do we have all those BETA out there, their creators are too; whom may not be exactly pleased with the possibility that there are Carbon-based entities who consider themselves "alive". Technically, the BETA don't even think they're at war, they're just collecting resources for their masters (Remember those monuments over BETA hives; at latter stages such as the Hives on Mars, those actually launch things at locations outside of the solar system).

Since they're programmed to presume naturally-occurring Carbon-based lifeforms are impossible, they see us as resources that are proving slightly more difficult to harvest.

Asuras

2012-07-06, 13:58

Just so there are no confussion:

Taking out the main hive on earth did make it easier to eradicate the other hives as well and secure up to 30 years in which they can come up with a some better way to fight back, but the beta threat is not over, since they still are a presence on the Moon, Mars and who knows where they came from.

It's been stated that there are at least something like

10^37+10^37x7^10 to 10^37+10^37x9^10 BETA in existence.

So yea, humanity is screwed if the Superior's (or whoever is above them) decide that Earth still needs to be taken.

Silvance

2012-07-06, 15:34

Is very necessary to watch KGNE and Akane Maniax before playing Muv-Luv Extra?

Not necessary, but I'd recommend it anyway. Why? So you'll get some of their dark humor in Extra. In addition, you'll scream like a little girl out of delight in Alternative

when you meet the characters in that world too. :heh:

grevierr

2012-07-06, 22:58

To be fair, the BETA are more like self-evolving robots than naturally-occurring biological creatures. They're the complete inverse of us and our technology, created by a intelligent lifeform distinctly different from us according to the Superior at the end of Alternative. Where we are Carbon-based lifeforms that develop Silicon-based technology, the BETA's creators are Silicon-based lifeforms that develop Carbon-based technology.

The BETA are programmed to not believe that they are living beings (As found in Alternative), and by proxy, they do not believe that humans or any other Carbon-based "life" on Earth are living beings (As discovered in the in universe Alternative III project).

So not only do we have all those BETA out there, their creators are too; whom may not be exactly pleased with the possibility that there are Carbon-based entities who consider themselves "alive". Technically, the BETA don't even think they're at war, they're just collecting resources for their masters (Remember those monuments over BETA hives; at latter stages such as the Hives on Mars, those actually launch things at locations outside of the solar system).

Since they're programmed to presume naturally-occurring Carbon-based lifeforms are impossible, they see us as resources that are proving slightly more difficult to harvest.

I believe the missing link you have is the Von Neumann space exploration theory. Its more accurate to say that BETA are self-replicating carbon-based automatons with limited AI that are sent out by silicon based life-forms to explore space. If you look at Von Neumann's theory of space exploration, one method pointed out would be to use self-replicating machines that can use materials found on site to create more of itself so it can spread and explore other regions. These machines would be silicon based lifeforms, and would use silicon materials to create itself...

This fits what was made known, that the BETA reuse parts of biologicals, does not recognize carbon-based lifeforms, and initially were built more for engineering, before specialized beings like the laser class was created in response to fighter jets and arty.

And yah, all the BETAs are doing are 'Mine more Minerals'...

grevierr

2012-07-07, 00:06

I've seen variations on this before and it's a daft argument, just as bad as some of the haters own knee jerk nonsense. I think what some fans don't quite grasp is that many people that dislike the series aren't "too stupid" to get it, they get it just fine, but don't particularly like what's being said, or more precisely in most cases I think how it's done.

The problem is that if you push this kind of thing too far it stops being compelling and heartbreaking and starts to become amusing, or just eye roll inducing. See constant pointless death and despair isn't "realistic" and it's not partocuarly good storytelling for the most part either. When the atmosphere becomes so almost cartoonishly bleak it starts to come off almost as a parody. Honestly I'm mostly watching it cause I'm a bit of an ass and I enjoy picking things apart at a technical level.

Well, all i can say was never trying to put down anyone's opinion and never thought of anyone as stupid. Misinformed, yes, but stupid, never. Like i stated, i respected that some would find the endless lost of peace to be less then amusing.

And while i agree that lately the plots that surround stories based on horror and mystery tend to become terror parody (aka Another), i disagree that MuvluvAlt would fall under the same category. The plot is written such that the deaths of the prominent characters give value to the main objective. There was very rarely a series of events that the characters could not have any option but to die. They could have taken the easy way out, but they always choose to complete the mission.

There is also a threshold were people who have seen shit either stop crying or laugh at it. Its where the expression "to start crying, or laugh at the situation" comes from, and would be the start of PSTD reaction. The other reaction would be to clam up around a bleeding heart, and remain stoic. Personally i'm on the border, where i joke at the misery but still cry when it happens. Even on my 11th MLA play through, my heart still bleeds. Which is why i still enjoy reading a good plot play on emotions regardless of the cliche.

Which is why it comes off as rather trite.

In all honestly though I think your utilization of a 40k meme is rather apropos, as that's a universe that has reached and leaped the threshold I was speaking off. As let's be honest here nothing in 40k is actually depressing or compelling anymore; it's turned into black comedy. Muv-Luv is, for me anyway, flirting with that line. Where when I'm probably supposed to horrified or depressed I find myself bemused or irradiated over the constant stream of coincidences, poor choices, or terrible outcomes that keep making everything worse. It's like a meta-fictional slap stick rountine where the characters blunders onto a wet floor, brains himself on a shelf knocking a bucket onto his head, and then wanders around dazed and blinded off a giant sheer cliff that was inexplicably placed ten feet away...

Again, my opinion is as stated. Except in WH40k, there is no hope... just WARGGGH!

I'm gonna have to kinda question how exactly Muv-Luv can classify as "realistic" in any sense of the word. Last I checked draining the oceans with unobtainium bombs, anti-gravity propelled doom fortresses, biological organisms somehow able to produce weapons grade lasers, and ESP are junk science of the highest order. Honestly the entire "biological creatures can threaten modern armies" idea is both preposterous, and at this point frankly cliche enough, to dispute it's realism all on it's own.

Well, my context in this case is mecha anime. The only real hard core SF anime that does not have an plotainium i have seen is Patlabor.

Perhaps I should rephrase it as real mecha show that includes Hard Science. Its very rare for me to find the Single Electron test, Quantum Mechanics, Higgs Boson, Parallel worlds theory, Von Neumann space exploration theory, all in the same plot. In a War Setting. MLA and John Ringo's series of novels are just about what I can find.

Biological creatures can threaten modern armies if they have diamond hard shells and claws, and outweight the armies by several million tons.

I'm quite familiar with the series and the numerous problems is tends to share blatantly nationalist viewpoint, hilariously contrived scenario, boring and flat antagonists, and utterly illogical weapons systems in response to the invaders, and one some tiny group outside the normal chain of command seeming to do ANYTHING useful among them. All more minor niggles that keep me cool on the franchise as a whole and that's why I'd rate the Posleen books "okay if you mostly disengage your brain and laugh at the melodrama", and I suppose on Balance I'd have to give Muv-Luv a similar rating.

ACS would just ruin everything's shit though, BETA war I'd be over in like a month with a division of those.

I agree with you that Ringo has an overwhelming sense of patriotism in his novels. However, although the plot can get contrived at points, if you look beyond that it still is awesome some of the things he came up with, regardless of how practical it really is. A mobile 50 metres high tank, which needs a derrick to hold its cannon upright, covered by anti-armor claymore mines... with a decal of a rabbit on the side. A series of death stars...

John117xCortana

2012-07-07, 11:06

What happened in the end of Unlimited ? After Operation Babylon ?

grevierr

2012-07-07, 11:31

What happened in the end of Unlimited ? After Operation Babylon ?

Thats what's covered in the MLA Chronicles, ML Unlimited The Day After. Currently the VNs are up to vol 2.

Basically now the Beta have a lesser presence, so its back to every country for itself. Lots of TSF vs TSF battles. Which is quite an intelligent way for Age to cover all the bases...

John117xCortana

2012-07-07, 11:43

More details please ?

What happened to that Shirogane ?

LystAP

2012-07-07, 11:55

Thats what's covered in the MLA Chronicles, ML Unlimited The Day After. Currently the VNs are up to vol 2.

Basically now the Beta have a lesser presence, so its back to every country for itself. Lots of TSF vs TSF battles. Which is quite an intelligent way for Age to cover all the bases...

From what I understand:

The BETA aren't gone, some survived Alternative V, including a few functional Hives; to add some salt on the wounds, because of the G-Bombs set off in Alternative V (which blasted all the hives to the bottom of the ocean), it's almost impossible to attack those hives anymore. So the BETA can just sent wave after wave now with limited fear of reprisal.

From a certain point of view, other than the colony ships, Alternative V was a pointless waste of lives and resources. :heh:

More details please ?

What happened to that Shirogane ?

I believe Shirogane returned to the cycle, the only thing keeping him in the first place was Sumika's brain; which I presume lost or abandoned after Alternative IV failed.

touge-n00b

2012-07-07, 20:17

I believe Shirogane returned to the cycle, the only thing keeping him in the first place was Sumika's brain; which I presume lost or abandoned after Alternative IV failed.

Actually
It is shown in Episode 2(?) That Shirogane ends up joining the Imperial Honor Guard. There's a CG out there that shows him in Honor Guard Uniform and with long hair looking depressed.

I've always wondered how that Shirogane relates to the one in Alternative, if he split from himself, or they're one in the same and Alternative Shirogane forgot all those post Alternative V memories.

grevierr

2012-07-07, 21:40

Actually
It is shown in Episode 2(?) That Shirogane ends up joining the Imperial Honor Guard. There's a CG out there that shows him in Honor Guard Uniform and with long hair looking depressed.

I've always wondered how that Shirogane relates to the one in Alternative, if he split from himself, or they're one in the same and Alternative Shirogane forgot all those post Alternative V memories.

According to what we learn in Alternative, Shirogane died in all of the MLU universe fighting the BETA, several years after Operation Babylon.

So in Ep2, we can assume the Shiro that is the conductor has not died yet. What happens to him i would really like to see. As I said before, Age really covered all the bases with this route.

The original Shiro in BETA worlds would all have been NOMed already.

John117xCortana

2012-07-07, 22:23

What does "A Dead Man Walks Among Us." mean philosophically ?

Dragonkid11

2012-07-07, 22:37

I just wondering why does the BETA have freaking laser beam,giant fort-class and other extremely offensive capability to deal with things MORE than just mining when their jobs is to mine out mineral.

While the BETA is programmed to not view carbon-based life as alive,what kind of "natural phenomena" can shoot thousands of 36mm HEAP projective at you.What kind of weather involved massive NUCLEAR EXPLOSION.Why does BETA think it is possible to seduce a something that's not alive with sexual interaction?CAN YOU SEDUCE DIAMOND!?!?

........
While BETA existed to create MAXIMUM DESPAIR in the story,whoever made them is either a smart moron,a silicon-based racist or just plain troll

That's it for my rant,now let me sob to my content

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-07, 23:08

grevierr

2012-07-07, 23:16

What does "A Dead Man Walks Among Us." mean philosophically ?

Philosophically, we are ALL dead men walking. Johnny Walked.

I just wondering why does the BETA have freaking laser beam,giant fort-class and other extremely offensive capability to deal with things MORE than just mining when their jobs is to mine out mineral.

While the BETA is programmed to not view carbon-based life as alive,what kind of "natural phenomena" can shoot thousands of 36mm HEAP projective at you.What kind of weather involved massive NUCLEAR EXPLOSION.Why does BETA think it is possible to seduce a something that's not alive with sexual interaction?CAN YOU SEDUCE DIAMOND!?!?

........
While BETA existed to create MAXIMUM DESPAIR in the story,whoever made them is either a smart moron,a silicon-based racist or just plain troll

That's it for my rant,now let me sob to my content

How can inert materials create giga-joules of coherent light energy, nuclear fission, and 100,000 tons machinery? If its possible for us to create it, its possible for it to be created biologically. Its all from the same basic building blocks in the beginning. The universe is large and strange. Look at humans for example.

As for natural phenomena, referring from the NASA hand book of "bad things to encounter in space", a comet storm would be worst than 36mm depleted uranium rounds, and planets which are close to the sun or are young/old and unstable would have the energy effects of a nuclear explosion upon their surface on a constant occurrence. Planetary bodies with lower atmospheric content than earth would have constant bombardment by meteors, each would have the energy of a multi kilo ton nuke.

If I were to use Von Neumann's plan and send out self-replicating space probes, i would definitely include plans for worst case scenarios, and give the AI adaptive behavior programming against what they might encounter, with an exclusion critirial that it is not to recognize itself as an living intelligent being, according to one of the theories that an living being has to be
1) Self-sufficient,
2) Self-replicating,
3) Self-aware.
This is to prevent an Terminator scenario where the machines think they are alive and are self-aware. Too bad for any intelligent crystals they might encounter, we need our jewelry and computer parts.

Now swap that around and you get BETAs... which have traveled across space for an untold amount of time, quite possibly outliving their creators.

Von Himmel

2012-07-07, 23:19

Oh I think I've actually seen that CG.

Found it;

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/1333132413723.jpg
Can someone help me to refresh my memories?
That's the Takeru in the original Alt/UL world, right? And..he died during a certain battle in that world and then Extra Takeru shows up in that world and replaced him?

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-07, 23:24

Can someone help me to refresh my memories?
That's the Takeru in the original Alt/UL world, right? And..he died during a certain battle in that world and then Extra Takeru shows up in that world and replaced him?

He was killed by BETA in the Yokohama hive when trying to protect Sumika.

What he actually was I don't know, were we ever told if he or Sumika were actually soldiers.

Von Himmel

2012-07-07, 23:37

He was killed by BETA in the Yokohama hive when trying to protect Sumika.

What he actually was I don't know, were we ever told if he or Sumika were actually soldiers.
Ah so the his history is something like this?
Joined honor guards --> Fight in Yokohama hive --> got caught --> protected Sumika and died --> His existence is then replace by ExtraTakeru

..I was under impression that he and Sumika got caught when they were little, but I guess I was wrong :heh:

grevierr

2012-07-07, 23:38

He was killed by BETA in the Yokohama hive when trying to protect Sumika.

What he actually was I don't know, were we ever told if he or Sumika were actually soldiers.

Thats a good question, since the Yokohama hive was supposed to be after 1997...isit? (All I know it was take back in 1999.) All male citizens should have been conscripted by then. Going to assume they were all on the original Yokohama base like the PX lady. Still doesn't explain why the other girls don't recognize him again later though, since some of them should have known him for a few years.

Von Himmel

2012-07-07, 23:57

Maybe because they never meet each other despite living in the same region? I mean, it's not like I remember the face of all my neighbors just because we live near each other..

What he actually was I don't know, were we ever told if he or Sumika were actually soldiers.
I think that's the only logical solution :( Sumika might've just been a civilian, but Takeru is probably a honor guard there when he was caught. Still doesn't really explain his blank look there in that CG :( I thought he appeared like that because of Sumika :heh:

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-08, 00:04

grevierr

2012-07-08, 00:12

Still doesn't really explain his blank look there in that CG :( I thought he appeared like that because of Sumika :heh:

Shell shock. Its post ML:U, at the end of TDA ep2. He had to send his love away, and watch the earth get nuked. Then he had to fight BETA. This is not MLA Takeru, he's not that strong yet.

Still, I wonder how he got out of the UN forces into the Imperial defense force. Maybe something to do with Takemikazuchi. Yuuhi is still empress, but why he is with the plotters we shall have to see.

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-08, 00:21

Shell shock. Its post ML:U, at the end of TDA ep2. He had to send his love away, and watch the earth get nuked. Then he had to fight BETA. This is not MLA Takeru, he's not that strong yet.

Still, I wonder how he got out of the UN forces into the Imperial defense force. Maybe something to do with Takemikazuchi. Yuuhi is still empress, but why he is with the plotters we shall have to see.

So by the Takimikazuchi you believe Meiya's route is the one true route too? :heh:

Dragonkid11

2012-07-08, 00:21

Philosophically, we are ALL dead men walking. Johnny Walked.

How can inert materials create giga-joules of coherent light energy, nuclear fission, and 100,000 tons machinery? If its possible for us to create it, its possible for it to be created biologically. Its all from the same basic building blocks in the beginning. The universe is large and strange. Look at humans for example.

As for natural phenomena, referring from the NASA hand book of "bad things to encounter in space", a comet storm would be worst than 36mm depleted uranium rounds, and planets which are close to the sun or are young/old and unstable would have the energy effects of a nuclear explosion upon their surface on a constant occurrence. Planetary bodies with lower atmospheric content than earth would have constant bombardment by meteors, each would have the energy of a multi kilo ton nuke.

If I were to use Von Neumann's plan and send out self-replicating space probes, i would definitely include plans for worst case scenarios, and give the AI adaptive behavior programming against what they might encounter, with an exclusion critirial that it is not to recognize itself as an living intelligent being, according to one of the theories that an living being has to be
1) Self-sufficient,
2) Self-replicating,
3) Self-aware.
This is to prevent an Terminator scenario where the machines think they are alive and are self-aware. Too bad for any intelligent crystals they might encounter, we need our jewelry and computer parts.

Now swap that around and you get BETAs... which have traveled across space for an untold amount of time, quite possibly outliving their creators.

Your explanation is perfect but that still didn't explain the tentacle rape part:uhoh:

Von Himmel

2012-07-08, 00:28

I haven't actually played Chronicles but do we know WHEN that image was?

I mean, even if we assume Takeru died before the Operation to take back the Mainland or even in that time, he would have been even younger than his Extra self.

Personally I don't see him as an Honour Guard. My opinion is that perhaps he was an ordinary soldier who was station at Yokohama with Sumika and were captured when it fell.

Wait for Silvance, he'll clear it up for us. XD
But that outfit that he's wearing is for honor guards :(
Shell shock. Its post ML:U, at the end of TDA ep2. He had to send his love away, and watch the earth get nuked. Then he had to fight BETA. This is not MLA Takeru, he's not that strong yet.[
..Wait, I thought that picture happens before unlimited or alternative even begins (before yokohama hive incident)?

grevierr

2012-07-08, 00:29

So by the Takimikazuchi you believe Meiya's route is the one true route too? :heh:

Not sure, have to wait and see ep3. But since we dont see any of the other girls in TDA, its hard to tell. Just posting speculations on why he is in the Imperial Forces

Your explanation is perfect but that still didn't explain the tentacle rape part:uhoh:

Oh ya. forgot about that.
Comparing a human body to a circuit board they are tracing which command stimulation gives the best feedback. Whether its to make humans more compliant to being processed, or to make them slaves, I have no idea. On Sumika, they were testing pleasure centers as a form of mind control (of course scripted by the writer for the ero part of the story)

Think of it as the alien anal probe... Human experimentation.

But that outfit that he's wearing is for honor guards :(

..Wait, I thought that picture happens before unlimited or alternative even begins (before yokohama hive incident)?

Nope, its at the end of TDA (The Day After) ep02, as in after Unlimited, Alternative V takes place and world wide use of G-Bombs are used on the Hives.

Unlimited and Alternative are two separate series of events running in parallel worlds. Its an alternate universe.

LystAP

2012-07-08, 00:37

Your explanation is perfect but that still didn't explain the tentacle rape part:uhoh:

The BETA don't see us as living beings right? However, we're a lot more adaptive than some mere inert resources, any logical sentient would eventually conclude we are living beings. But the BETA are explicitly programmed not to do that, so they make the closest inference; we're robots just like them.

The tentacle rape? That's them probing our nervous system; in the same way we run a diagnosis on our computers. The BETA are basically trying to find out a way to hack into us. It's only our misfortune that some of our inputs have a specific requirement to activate. :heh:

This is to prevent an Terminator scenario where the machines think they are alive and are self-aware. Too bad for any intelligent crystals they might encounter, we need our jewelry and computer parts.

Now swap that around and you get BETAs... which have traveled across space for an untold amount of time, quite possibly outliving their creators.

Unfortunately, we happen to be the intelligent crystals, in this case. :heh:

Dragonkid11

2012-07-08, 00:40

Not sure, have to wait and see ep3. But since we dont see any of the other girls in TDA, its hard to tell. Just posting speculations on why he is in the Imperial Forces

Oh ya. forgot about that.
Comparing a human body to a circuit board they are tracing which command stimulation gives the best feedback. Whether its to make humans more compliant to being processed, or to make them slaves, I have no idea. On Sumika, they were testing pleasure centers as a form of mind control (of course scripted by the writer for the ero part of the story)

Think of it as the alien anal probe... Human experimentation.

Nope, its at the end of TDA ep02

What you are implying is that the BETA planned to assimilate human because they viewed human as carbon-based robot?

.........
Other than that,the fact that Sumika was completely reduce to a brain with spinal cord attached to it through some unknown but horrendous process made me had some nightmare...

AND the fact that she is the only one who SURVIVES the process is even more horrifying

LystAP

2012-07-08, 00:46

What you are implying is that the BETA planned to assimilate human because they viewed human as carbon-based robot?

.........
Other than that,the fact that Sumika was completely reduce to a brain with spinal cord attached to it through some unknown but horrendous process made me had some nightmare...

AND the fact that she is the only one who SURVIVES the process is even more horrifying

Probably, would explain the fact that many of the BETA classes share similarities to humans, and Soldier-class BETA are literally made out of humans.

Dragonkid11

2012-07-08, 00:58

Probably, would explain the fact that many of the BETA classes share similarities to humans, and Soldier-class BETA are literally made out of humans.

Maybe they know we...well...CAN EXPERIENCE FEAR
They might see us as artificial intelligient,but that doesn't mean they will deal with us the same way we deal with AI(You know,with a lot bullets and nukes)

They may have REDESIGNED the their appearance just to scare us and discourage us to fight them:uhoh:

Von Himmel

2012-07-08, 00:59

Unlimited and Alternative are two separate series of events running in parallel worlds. Its an alternate universe.
Still happen in the same(almost the same?) timeframe though. That is to say, before the ALT 5 and is still in the process of ALT 4.
And I guess that explains his blank look :( Because someone here said that he might appear in eps 2, I thought it's him in TE :heh:

About what Yuko said during the final part of Alternative..I remember her saying something along the line of "because of what you did, we humans might've survived for more than 80 years". Even with the original hive destroyed, she still said something like that :( What do you think will happen in the future? For me, the future is still bleak :heh:

grevierr

2012-07-08, 01:44

About what Yuko said during the final part of Alternative..I remember her saying something along the line of "because of what you did, we humans might've survived for more than 80 years". Even with the original hive destroyed, she still said something like that :( What do you think will happen in the future? For me, the future is still bleak :heh:

They gained 30 years for development and advancement. Imagine a fleet of XG-70s against the hives.

What you are implying is that the BETA planned to assimilate human because they viewed human as carbon-based robot?

.........
Other than that,the fact that Sumika was completely reduce to a brain with spinal cord attached to it through some unknown but horrendous process made me had some nightmare...

AND the fact that she is the only one who SURVIVES the process is even more horrifying

Probably, would explain the fact that many of the BETA classes share similarities to humans, and Soldier-class BETA are literally made out of humans.

To answer both, it was stated in ML:Chronicles 3 that BETA are reusing biologicals to create more of themselves. Which is why there is a public censorship on what the BETA looks like. So yes, humans are being harvested, being the most numerous resource on earth.

For the Brain tube thing, its the end point of the experiment, where direct impulse to the pleasure points on the spinal cord is used, instead of physically pleasuring the body. The thing is, this would cause total sensory deprivation, in which no sense of Touch, Smell, Sound, Taste, Sight. Humans have gone mad in a Sensory deprivation room after less then a week. It can only be imagined how bad it is to be disassociated from a body...

Sumika survived by direct force of will (or as a plot mechanism), only thinking about Tareku the whole time, to the point that at the time of the G-Bomb attack on Yokohama hive, the time-space interference caused by the attack allowed her to call to another world's Takeru. Which is how the how thing started.

Silvance

2012-07-08, 01:50

I haven't actually played Chronicles but do we know WHEN that image was?

The scene where Takeru shows up in TDA is during the epilogue of TDA02. This is the same Takeru that we're familiar with since the first day of Unlimited. As for the original Takeru of the war-torn world, we do not know his rank at all in the military.

Still, I wonder how he got out of the UN forces into the Imperial defense force. Maybe something to do with Takemikazuchi. Yuuhi is still empress, but why he is with the plotters we shall have to see.

UN was dissolved. It was not revealed how Takeru ended up with the imperial royal guards, and not the imperial army. Age decided to save the juicy part for the next episode. However, it's very likely due to his connection with Yuuko and being nurtured by her. Seijuro's older brother knew about it, and when he made such statement, the scene changed to Takeru immediately. Oh, and Yuuhi is not the empress, she's the Shogun.

Not sure which Unlimited ending this one follows, but TDA branch could be the continuation of Yuuko end or Meiya's normal end. As for the 00R... Shogun made an implication that it's no longer within her reach.

"Please watch over me, Takeru... I will never give up..."

Was her last line for TDA02, and then at the epiloge, Takeru shows up in his black konoe uniform.He should be called Kurogane Takeru from here on imo. lol.

grevierr

2012-07-08, 02:09

UN was dissolved. It was not revealed how Takeru ended up with the imperial royal guards, and not the imperial army. However, it's very likely due to his connection with Yuuko and being nurtured by her. Seijuro's older brother knew about it, and when he made such statement, the scene changed to Takeru immediately. Oh, and Yuuhi is not the empress, she's the Shogun.

Not sure which Unlimited ending this one follows, but TDA branch could be the continuation of Yuuko end or Meiya's normal end. As for the 00R... Shogun made an implication that it's no longer within her reach.

"Please watch over me, Takeru... I will never give up..."

Was her last line for TDA02, and then at the epiloge, Takeru shows up in his black konoe uniform.He should be called Kurogane Takeru from here on imo. lol.

Great, thanks for the translation. I can only understand like 50% without the machine translations. The UN dissolving would explain how he got out.

So as far as the 00R's (and maybe Meiya) fate, it could mean they are no longer part of Japan's forces, or destroyed. Will wait to see what ep3 covers.

Not sure how close Yuuhi and Takeru would have gotten, to the point she can say that, as the events in MLA have not occured. One way is that something almost the same happened, and she got to know him. The other way... well, i always had my suspicions after the decoy thing in the Coup de'ta, if you see what i mean.

And yes, Kuro Takeru lol. Or Emokeru.

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-08, 02:27

Kurogane Emokeru.

lol.

Silvance

2012-07-08, 02:46

Great, thanks for the translation. I can only understand like 50% without the machine translations. The UN dissolving would explain how he got out.

So as far as the 00R's (and maybe Meiya) fate, it could mean they are no longer part of Japan's forces, or destroyed. Will wait to see what ep3 covers.

Not sure how close Yuuhi and Takeru would have gotten, to the point she can say that, as the events in MLA have not occured. One way is that something almost the same happened, and she got to know him. The other way... well, i always had my suspicions after the decoy thing in the Coup de'ta, if you see what i mean.

And yes, Kuro Takeru lol. Or Emokeru.

no problem.

I tried to be vague by using the title in my previous post... but... Ummmm... You mean... You still don't know? I thought it was obvious in TDA01... They're not even bothering covering it up anymore by TDA02 since Marimo almost blurted out the good stuff.

Attention: BIG SPOILERS for Muv-Luv Unlimited: The Day After.

if you haven't read it, do not click.

Do NOT open the tag with all your might. Do not succumb to the temptation until your last breath. Make your TDA reading session count.

Hint: Voice and hair color

Still not enough? Okay, okay.

The left one is the shogun in TDA. Same character in my avatar.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/256.jpg

grevierr

2012-07-08, 02:59

no problem.

I tried to be vague by using the title in my previous post... but... Ummmm... You mean... You still don't know? I thought it was obvious in TDA01... They're not even bothering covering it up anymore by TDA02 since Marimo almost blurted out the good stuff.

Ha ha, thats what i get for not playing it fully. I played TDA00, skipped through TDA01, and was planning to do it fully before TDA02, but since the texthooker didn't work for 02, I stopped... Still, it was an educated guess :heh:

BTW, did you play Warinaki? The VN by Phi-Age. Loved the reference character in TDA02.

Von Himmel

2012-07-08, 03:59

no problem.

I tried to be vague by using the title in my previous post... but... Ummmm... You mean... You still don't know? I thought it was obvious in TDA01... They're not even bothering covering it up anymore by TDA02 since Marimo almost blurted out the good stuff.

Attention: BIG SPOILERS for Muv-Luv Unlimited: The Day After.

if you haven't read it, do not click.

Do NOT open the tag with all your might. Do not succumb to the temptation until your last breath. Make your TDA reading session count.

Hint: Voice and hair color

Still not enough? Okay, okay.

The left one is the shogun in TDA. Same character in my avatar.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/256.jpg

..they changed place?

John117xCortana

2012-07-08, 11:11

Philosophically, we are ALL dead men walking. Johnny Walked.

Does it mean anything else other than that ?

dmaxzero

2012-07-08, 12:02

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-08, 17:25

Makes sense to think that the original Takeru from MLA was a soldier or an imperial guard, remember that one of the Mitsurugi servants (the green haired one, sorry its been a long time) when she meet him in Unlimited and Alternative treats him as dead man, and why he is impersonating him... thinking in context I always wondered why she was so upset about it, and of course if they meet before it all makes sense.

So in short, he was an imperial guard, died while protecting Sumika, and then replaced by Extra emo Takeru super robot pilot... :d

I think the biggest reason Tsukuyomi is upset is because Takeru is supposed to be dead and is extremely close to her dear charge, Meiya.

Tsukuyomi had done background checks on everyone close to Meiya only to find this Shirogane Takeru right next to her. In the UN Database he is listed as alive and assigned to A207 but in the Imperial Database which Yuuki couldn't alter he was listed as dead.

Very suspicious, no?

I think he probably was a soldier but that doesn't mean he was a TSF pilot let alone an Honour Guard.

Just sayin'.

Quikbeam

2012-07-08, 19:05

grevierr

2012-07-09, 00:36

After watching a couple of episodes of the show, I have a few questions i am hoping someone can help me with, im not particularly worried about spoilers.

The Beta are clearly far more powerful and numerous than humanity and its technology. Why has humanity lasted as long as they have, 40 years or so. Looking at the numbers and strength of the Beta, it seems like they could have exterminated humanity after a few years of conflict.

Because they only expand their territory after their hives reach a certain stage. So having started out from central Asia, they are slowly spreading out. There was incursions into the western hemisphere, but they nuked the baby hives (stubs) after touch down, regardless of collateral damage.

Also, humanity have been throwing their population at them, which has some little short term effects to delay certain areas from being taken over, for some quite bad long term ones...

Dragonkid11

2012-07-09, 03:50

So...am I the only here who felt a heart-wrecking pain when hearing the song MuvLuv....even without experiencing the game at all?

Destined_Fate

2012-07-09, 04:54

So, where exactly does Yui actually fit in the Muv-Luv verse? Or is she just a Total Eclipse character?

SABER60069

2012-07-09, 04:57

Just a Total Eclipse character

John117xCortana

2012-07-09, 08:30

What happens in Chronicles episode 3 visual novel?

Silvance

2012-07-09, 20:20

That Takemikazuchi sports the Blue with Orange lenses. "Normal" colours used by any member of the Royal family on the front lines.

The Shogunate's personal Takemikazuchi is Purple with Red lenses.

The god of despair confirmed that "someone" took the prototype Takemikazuchi to the front lines. He did not say who the pilot was, but implied that it's a character we should already know. We are free to think who ever it was -- is basically what he's saying. Remember, there are five candidates we have. Ikaruga and Maya are together during this battle so it can't be him. That Takemikazuchi came by itself with no escorts. I'm more inclined to think that Yuuhi was the Eishi.

Marcus H.

2012-07-10, 00:57

Who's the God of Despair? The creator of this series?

Destined_Fate

2012-07-10, 06:41

So... Yui isn't the real main character and is just one of the harem girls of the male lead?

John117xCortana

2012-07-10, 08:33

The god of despair confirmed that "someone" took the prototype Takemikazuchi to the front lines. He did not say who the pilot was, but implied that it's a character we should already know. We are free to think who ever it was -- is basically what he's saying. Remember, there are five candidates we have. Ikaruga and Maya are together during this battle so it can't be him. That Takemikazuchi came by itself with no escorts. I'm more inclined to think that Yuuhi was the Eishi.

If that was really Yuuhi.....she was a total badass...

Silvance

2012-07-10, 23:07

Ha ha, thats what i get for not playing it fully. I played TDA00, skipped through TDA01, and was planning to do it fully before TDA02, but since the texthooker didn't work for 02, I stopped... Still, it was an educated guess :heh:

BTW, did you play Warinaki? The VN by Phi-Age. Loved the reference character in TDA02.

wait... did you just say you SKIPPED TDA01? Whoa, whoa, WHOA!!!
Only the dead can know peace from this evil. щ(ﾟДﾟщ)

That one is very important since it's necessary for world building in regards to what Babylon Tragedy brought to mankind. Not to mention, it's also the segment that introduces you to the best protagonist that has hailed the muv-luv universe, and the only female character that can be called, "Ultimate Loyal Waifu," and also Meiya's equal.

Attention: the last sentence was my subjective opinion. Do NOT lynch me.

Damn, I need to get myself under control. I apologize for the fanboyism just now.

ah.. texthooker. If you are still up to it, use an older version of ITH and not the newest one. I've heard it works for TDA01 and 02.

As for Owarinaki Natsu, Towa Naru Shirabe...

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/guishen_0006.jpg

I plan to read it soon since I completely adored Ritsuko. Besides, the childhood flashbacks might have Shizuku somewhere in the background. lol.

So...am I the only here who felt a heart-wrecking pain when hearing the song MuvLuv....even without experiencing the game at all?

Can't really blame you. Try reading the trilogy. You'll cry an ocean of tears at the end when that song plays.

What happens in Chronicles episode 3 visual novel?

Chaos, that's what happens. Sorry for not answering your question. I've heard there's a translation in progress even though we haven't heard much about it lately. It'd be best for you interest not to get spoiled regarding the main events. I already shared more than I was supposed to... ah... what the heck..

TDA02 had political conspiracies, Food Plant taken over by an armed group with A-6 Intruders, , Lilia showing up to save the day, Hibiki offering his life for Shogun, and war between Canada-France and America-Japan.
As for Rebirth, Yokohama base was infiltrated by Cybreeds. The protagonist, Silvio is one of them. It was funny but not as engaging as TDA. Silvio was upgraded by using prototype frames and other parts meant to be used for the 00 Unit. Yuuko revealing that a terrorist attack will also hit Yukon base within three days. Silvio leaves for Alaska.

So... Yui isn't the real main character and is just one of the harem girls of the male lead?

She's one of the main characters, but she got more exposure because of the siege of kyoto episodes.

If that was really Yuuhi.....she was a total badass...

She's only supposed to be 14 around that time too. Seriously, that sword dance of hers was marvelous. I guess the leaders of the regent houses are trained more earlier in life or she's just gifted. Kouki mentioned that the members of the samurai family begins their training as a cadet around 13 years old or so, but not much is known whether it applies to the future leaders of the regent houses as well... :heh:

Who's the God of Despair? The creator of this series?
Yes, as you may have noticed already if you watched Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. Yoshimune Kouki is his name.

..they changed place?

Yuuhi is not around. She's either missing or dead, we don't know for sure yet since not much was revealed. Mana isn't around either, but Maya is serving as one of her attendants at the moment.

Now then. I'll stop here before I spoil you any further than I already have.

grevierr

2012-07-11, 03:38

wait... did you just say you SKIPPED TDA01? Whoa, whoa, WHOA!!!
Only the dead can know peace from this evil. щ(ﾟДﾟщ)

That one is very important since it's necessary for world building in regards to what Babylon Tragedy brought to mankind. Not to mention, it's also the segment that introduces you to the best protagonist that has hailed the muv-luv universe, and the only female character that can be called, "Ultimate Loyal Waifu," and also Meiya's equal.

Attention: the last sentence was my subjective opinion. Do NOT lynch me.

Damn, I need to get myself under control. I apologize for the fanboyism just now.

ah.. texthooker. If you are still up to it, use an older version of ITH and not the newest one. I've heard it works for TDA01 and 02.

As for Owarinaki Natsu, Towa Naru Shirabe...

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/guishen_0006.jpg

I plan to read it soon since I completely adored Ritsuko. Besides, the childhood flashbacks might have Shizuku somewhere in the background. lol.

Ah ha ha, ok, i promise to find time to sit down and read it through. The AGTH i'm using only works for TDA00 and TDA01, have not heard anything working on TDA02 yet. Tried all the different versions too. Edit: I dled and tried
ITH but none of the versions work for rUGP v6.0. Guess i'll just have to wait for a patch to come out.

And yes, Ritsuko is great, especially after Owarinaki. You would definitely like her since she is so much like Mitsuki in attitude. I would love to have the two of them meet in the ML setting.

Chaos, that's what happens. Sorry for not answering your question. I've heard there's a translation in progress even though we haven't heard much about it lately. It'd be best for you interest not to get spoiled regarding the main events. I already shared more than I was supposed to... ah... what the heck..

TDA02 had political conspiracies, Food Plant taken over by an armed group with A-6 Intruders, , Lilia showing up to save the day, Hibiki offering his life for Shogun, and war between Canada-France and America-Japan.
As for Rebirth, Yokohama base was infiltrated by Cybreeds. The protagonist, Silvio is one of them. It was funny but not as engaging as TDA. Silvio was upgraded by using prototype frames and other parts meant to be used for the 00 Unit. Yuuko revealing that a terrorist attack will also hit Yukon base within three days. Silvio leaves for Alaska.

There's a translation? Any idea who's doing it? I only know of the German novel translation thats ongoing.

Von Himmel

2012-07-11, 05:13

Can't really blame you. Try reading the trilogy. You'll cry an ocean of tears at the end when that song plays.

This song?
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Goddammit, why do you guys have to remind me ;_; It made me remember all those time when I had fun with the character interactions and many funny stuffs that they have :(

You guys also made me stumbled upon this one :
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...orz

Yuuhi is not around. She's either missing or dead, we don't know for sure yet since not much was revealed. Mana isn't around either, but Maya is serving as one of her attendants at the moment.

Now then. I'll stop here before I spoil you any further than I already have.
Well I couldn't read much Japanese so chances are I wouldn't know what happened without translation :heh:

Dragonkid11

2012-07-11, 05:28

grevierr

2012-07-11, 09:12

The fact that I read about the MuvLuv series on freaking tvtrope first AND STILL cried after reading all the spoiler should say something about MuvLuv...

Also currently playing MuvLuv Extra-Sumika's route...I think...

TV trope muv luv page is still there? I remember spaming some pics of the XG-70, calling it the land GP03 Dendrobium supported by the GP02A, and linking it to the Muv Luv page i started during my university days... Then some ppl came in and updated everything, lol. Haven't been back since then. I should go back and check it out.

Do they still have the Sumika roles comparison of in ML:Extra, "Childhood friend Takeru cannot imagine being without" vs her role in MLA? "Brain in a Tube" I was laughing at the irony...

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-11, 09:20

Well I just finished Unlimited once again. I'll start Alternative again on the weekend. XD

Tempester

2012-07-11, 09:41

TV trope muv luv page is still there?

They probably kept it despite the sex scenes and Miki being a "loli" because the fandom is too large and vocal and the franchise is too "tropheriffic" for them to simply nuke it off the site like they did for Kodomo no Jikan and Astarotte no Omocha.

John117xCortana

2012-07-11, 09:45

How did Takeru ended up with the Imperial Guard ?

Why is Ikaruga doing this coup ?

I thought Yuuko went with the fleet ?

Dragonkid11

2012-07-11, 10:11

They probably kept it despite the sex scenes and Miki being a "loli" because the fandom is too large and vocal and the franchise is too "tropheriffic" for them to simply nuke it off the site like they did for Kodomo no Jikan and Astarotte no Omocha.

I thought Tvtrope have tropes on nearly all of the games,shows,films and animes as long the fandom demand

One thing that make me wonder is that the Funny page,Heartwarming page and the Crowning Moment of Awesome is so short....I mean,the series is old...right?:confused:

grevierr

2012-07-11, 10:15

I thought Tvtrope have tropes on nearly all of the games,shows,films and animes as long the fandom demand

One thing that make me wonder is that the Funny page,Heartwarming page and the Crowning Moment of Awesome is so short....I mean,the series is old...right?:confused:

Muv Luv didn't get Much Love since it was a Japan only VN. Now that there's an anime its getting more profile.

Silvance

2012-07-11, 13:30

Ah ha ha, ok, i promise to find time to sit down and read it through. The AGTH i'm using only works for TDA00 and TDA01, have not heard anything working on TDA02 yet. Tried all the different versions too. Edit: I dled and tried
ITH but none of the versions work for rUGP v6.0. Guess i'll just have to wait for a patch to come out.

And yes, Ritsuko is great, especially after Owarinaki. You would definitely like her since she is so much like Mitsuki in attitude. I would love to have the two of them meet in the ML setting.

There's a translation? Any idea who's doing it? I only know of the German novel translation thats ongoing.

oh... sorry to hear about that. I hope an h code is found so it becomes accessible to you and the others.

Haha. I can't agree more with you on that. She's bro-tier like Mitsuki, and their overall personality overlaps with each other. lol.

Some guys in /m/ showed some screenshots that they're working on it. Problem is that we haven't heard much since then.

You guys also made me stumbled upon this one :
u9fvnSkSC90

I love that song so much. It's even named after her... *hugs knees and cries at the corner of the room*

The fact that I read about the MuvLuv series on freaking tvtrope first AND STILL cried after reading all the spoiler should say something about MuvLuv...

Also currently playing MuvLuv Extra-Sumika's route...I think...

Wut? You haven't read the novels and you spoiled yourself by going to the tvtropes? I'm sorry to bear the bad news, but you won't get to experience the main trilogy at its best anymore. D:

ML is one of the novels that you must read without prior knowledge regarding the main events in order to fully appreciate it.

Well I just finished Unlimited once again. I'll start Alternative again on the weekend. XD

I have the urge of doing that too. Maybe tonight when I get back home. lol.

How did Takeru ended up with the Imperial Guard ?

Why is Ikaruga doing this coup ?

I thought Yuuko went with the fleet ?

I already mentioned the answer a few pages back.

He doesn't have to carry out a coup because he's already in charge.

Muv Luv Alternative Rebirth takes place before December

SolarAquarion

2012-07-11, 18:01

Muv Luv Alternative is basically the original novel of starship trooper gone japanese/anime. Hell the politics of the alternative is quite controversial since it talks about politics of the emperor and what not.

Tk3997

2012-07-11, 22:40

I like how Muv Luv was heavily influenced by Starship Trooper (the book, not the movie) you kind of see it in the story/the philosophy of Muv Luv.I hear this allot, but I don't see it at all.

Looking at some of the core themes of the the novel SST is really a political piece. It's very much a discussion on Meritocracy with arguably one of the core themes of the novel being that universal democracy might well bad idea. The war is almost a secondary thing; an more excuse to talk about this point and discuss duty and social obligation, which are the other big themes of the novel. Even the characters aren't really the focus at all, personal relationships don't drive anything, the hero is just a cog in a machine ultimately unimportant to the war as a whole. The book doesn't even really end with any kind of resolution of the war.

The message and themes of the novel have virtually nothing to do with what we see in Muv-Luv. The political situation is simply glossed over or blithely assumed to function more or less like the present day despite the radically different history. If the story actually heavily focused on the changes to society as mankind completely mobilized, how unending war shaped politics, the morals of forcing service, etc maybe the comparison would be more apt, but mostly the comparison seems to amount to "they called the aliens bugs in the novel and they lived in tunnels". Even the bugs themselves aren't really the same the "bugs" in the novel were a collective of a sort but they were intelligent, tool using, and had a working society of their own. They weren't mindless animals, but they thought in a different way then humans did and focused on the good of the group over individualism. They were effectively a fairly clear allegory for communism and also an attack on it functionally saying "for this to work you need to have a completely alien mindset". There is no particular political message behind "chomp".

Muv-Luv is a functionally a straight war story hero gets dragged into war (against his will of course, another key difference), has to undergo some trials, makes some friends, storms the enemy stronghold and defeats the enemy. It's done rather well and it's somewhat bloodier then most, but at the core it's pretty much just well done genre fiction. It doesn't really have a message or address any particularly deep or controversial themes. That's not necessarily a slight against it as a story doesn't always need a deep "message" to be good, and indeed many suffer for trying, but Starship Troopers pretty clearly had one and it was a key part of the book. I don't really consider it to be in the same genre as Muv-Luv and aside from the very superficial "bug hunt" stereotypes I really don't see the connection much at all.

Hypernova

2012-07-11, 23:14

I see it more as Gunbuster on Earth without the super robots.

aohige

2012-07-12, 00:10

Err, if anything, MuvLuv was directly influenced by Gun Parade March game.
It was a core hit during that generation of gamers, and when Muv-Luv first came out, that was on everyone's tongue.

The entire situation of the world (Eurasia pretty much gone, Japan is the final defense, US is the least hit, military turn to trainig kids on robots to fight off the mysterious alien creatures that are impossible to communicate, etc), the parallel world view of GPM multiverse and how the protagonist and the heroine are key to the salvation of the parallel universes.

Do these sound familiar to you? Because I'm actually describing GPM. :heh:

It was under many criticism as "WTF? This is a direct rip off of that Playstation game" when the game first came out.
Even though I love both franchise, the uncanny semblance is unarguable.
(Not to mention there are many GPM fans in the MuvLuv dev team. :heh:)

MuvLuv was most likely influenced by GPM, which was possibly influenced by Starship Troopers, although unlikely.

Silvance

2012-07-12, 00:20

considering that Age staff are mostly fanboys, I'm not surprised. lol. Didn't one of the tracks of Muv-Luv sounded similar to one of the themes of Starship Troopers? I guess they want to pay tribute to that one as well. XD

Dragonkid11

2012-07-12, 01:38

Wut? You haven't read the novels and you spoiled yourself by going to the tvtropes? I'm sorry to bear the bad news, but you won't get to experience the main trilogy at its best anymore. D:

ML is one of the novels that you must read without prior knowledge regarding the main events in order to fully appreciate it.

I'm the kind of guy who doesn't care about getting spoiled
...
Although it was more of because of that I have nearly zero VN experience(Only played Katawa Shoujo...and only finished two of the heroines)

It turns out that choosing the right choice is WAY WAY harder than expected...

Candyshark

2012-07-12, 09:03

I have two questions:
Are the events of Alternative V considerd main, canon timeline and are inevintable?

And does Total Eclipse add anything meaningful having any impact on the world conflict?

Tempester

2012-07-12, 09:44

Are the events of Alternative V considerd main, canon timeline and are inevintable?

Muv-Luv has parallel universes, most of which where Alternative V happens (all Unlimited timelines), and one in which Alternative IV is fairly successful and Alternative V is delayed indefinitely or cancelled (Alternative timeline).

What is canon to you depends on how you look at it. In some ways, all timelines are canon because they actually happen in-story. But you could also consider the timeline where Alternative V is prevented to be canon because it is the last one to be experienced by the viewer.

Miraluka

2012-07-12, 16:03

From what I head from MLA TE about Yui's fate:
I have no official back-up for these since I got these and other info from a friend. Russians wanted to sabotage the project on their benefit on Alaska, Yui tried to cool down things but she got shot in the head from a sniper. I guess nobody can survive that, or maybe plot armor issues let her survive by making the bullet hit her without piercing her craneum... or maybe not. Well, kind of ironic since she got trough deathly battles against Betas and survived yet she ends like that in hands of a human. Fits the logic of the series but I can't help but find it hilarious and thats too bad since my person is very fond of characters who are good with CQC and sword skills :heh:.

Silvance

2012-07-12, 18:43

Are you asking us to confirm if its true? Hmmm... If it's answered, there's a possibility it will spread like wildfire in the anime thread. I'm not going to ruin the anime for you or the newcomers so I'll pass. I'll let someone else do that assuming they want to. lol.

Ah... such contradiction.

On the side note, found this nice image. I guess the only thing that was missing was the comedy, huh?

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/th_1341979850372.jpg (http://s832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/?action=view&current=1341979850372.jpg)

SolarAquarion

2012-07-12, 18:59

Are you asking us to confirm if its true? Hmmm... If it's answered, there's a possibility it will spread like wildfire in the anime thread. I'm not going to ruin the anime for you or the newcomers so I'll pass, I'll let someone else do that assuming they know the answer. lol.

Ah... such contradiction.

On the side note, found this nice image. I guess the only thing that was missing was the comedy, huh?

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/th_1341979850372.jpg (http://s832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/?action=view&current=1341979850372.jpg)

I first saw that image posted on /r/anime by the user xRichard http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/wcoam/muvluv_alternative_total_eclipse_the_trilogy_ep2/

It was also posted on /a/ but only yesterday.

John117xCortana

2012-07-12, 20:23

When I first saw Yuuhi I had four words to describe her. Serene, majestic, elegant and beautiful.

Miraluka

2012-07-12, 21:58

grevierr

2012-07-12, 23:04

No, I know already, what I would like to know is if the revolt got solved :heh:.

Possibly some cyborg bursts in and saves the day...

Miraluka

2012-07-13, 00:14

Lol, pointless sacrifice :heh:.

Tk3997

2012-07-13, 03:58

No, I know already, what I would like to know is if the revolt got solved :heh:.

Possibly some cyborg bursts in and saves the day...Well my first thought was this...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7277/7560770588_6c98e7c37f_m.jpg (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7277/7560770588_6c98e7c37f_b.jpg)
BUT these are apparently mecha armed revolutionaries based in Alaska so we may need to bring in an additional specialist...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7560824600_f248ca6374_m.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7560824600_f248ca6374_z.jpg)
I think that ought to be enough to deal with the issue.

grevierr

2012-07-13, 04:25

Well my first thought was this...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7277/7560770588_6c98e7c37f_m.jpg (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7277/7560770588_6c98e7c37f_b.jpg)
BUT these are apparently mecha armed revolutionaries based in Alaska so we may need to bring in an additional specialist...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7560824600_f248ca6374_m.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7560824600_f248ca6374_z.jpg)
I think that ought to be enough to deal with the issue.

You forgot one thing... BETA don't care bout optic camouflage. I just know he will want to try eating BETA flesh though...

TIME PARADOX!

Dragonkid11

2012-07-13, 04:32

You forgot one thing... BETA don't care bout optic camouflage. I just know he will want to try eating BETA flesh though...

TIME PARADOX!

Then make a suit that disguised him as a silicon-being!!!

But then again,it's not like Snake's job is to kick BETA asses...although he might have to drive the XG-70 Susanoo to fight his BRRROOOOOTHERRUUUUU who is driving an anti-Susanoo TSF:eyespin:

grevierr

2012-07-13, 08:59

You mean Shirogane Takeru fights Kurogane Emokeru?

They can both use TSFs and fight on top of the XG-70. Its big enough XD

Dragonkid11

2012-07-13, 10:12

You mean Shirogane Takeru fights Kurogane Emokeru?

They can both use TSFs and fight on top of the XG-70. Its big enough XD

....
So APPARENTLY I didn't notice the super tiny TSF that is standing below the Susanoo when looking at the blueprint on MUVLUV wikia

WoW,that's huge...:twitch:

Even those who drive Atlas from Battletech which has small laser that could make laser-class BETA pissed through their pant would be VERY afraid of it...

John117xCortana

2012-07-13, 10:32

What is Ikaruga's goals ?

LunarMoon

2012-07-13, 10:57

The problem is that if you push this kind of thing too far it stops being compelling and heartbreaking and starts to become amusing, or just eye roll inducing. See constant pointless death and despair isn't "realistic" and it's not particularly good storytelling for the most part either. When the atmosphere becomes so almost cartoonishly bleak it starts to come off almost as a parody. Honestly I'm mostly watching it cause I'm a bit of an ass and I enjoy picking things apart at a technical level.

Pointless death isn't realistic? You must be an extremely optimistic person.

grevierr

2012-07-13, 11:47

Sheba

2012-07-13, 11:55

Awakened Fei and Final Welltal may do.

Silvance

2012-07-13, 12:10

Possibly some cyborg bursts in and saves the day...

:nono:

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/guishen_0037.jpg

Not just some nameless individual.

Silvio O'Landy is one handsome Italian, and stylish cybreed equipped with high-quality 00 Unit parts. He's a force to be reckoned with on-foot. Problem is, he hasn't piloted a TSF since several years ago and the only unit he ever piloted is the Mirage. That's outdated now.

He'd better survive every crap from here on, and go back to Munakata's side. He did make a good impression. lol. :heh:

Cosmic Eagle

2012-07-13, 12:21

Perhaps we need something more then just the TSFs. How does these look?

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1301374819379.jpg

Demonbane is major overkill....what faction is it supposed to be anyway?

Necronomicon states of Arkham?

What TSFs really need are their own stable plasma beam weaponry with the same 100km range of BETA Lasers...And no, I don't mean that railgun thingy....

kaizerknight01

2012-07-13, 12:47

Perhaps we need something more then just the TSFs. How does these look?

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1301374819379.jpg
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1310868978380-1.jpg

need more need send a message to alien bastards you have messed with wrong planet enter the paradoxical oddity plot device

http://safebooru.org//images/810/e4fd943cedf6559c8d0ea433a29fe90dbb05e760.jpg?81520 4

Silvance

2012-07-13, 12:50

Instead of having all of those mecha, why not just settle for a single Gurren Lagann? That thing can destroy galaxies without a problem too. XD

grevierr

2012-07-13, 12:55

:nono:

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/guishen_0037.jpg

Not just some nameless individual.

Silvio O'Landy is one handsome Italian, and stylish cybreed equipped with high-quality 00 Unit parts. He's a force to be reckoned with on-foot. Problem is, he hasn't piloted a TSF since several years ago and the only unit he ever piloted is the Mirage. That's outdated now.

He'd better survive every crap from here on, and go back to Munakata's side. He did make a good impression. lol. :heh:

I was actually thinking of this G uy as well...
http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/m/image/1337/45/1337459903501.png

Instead of having all of those mecha, why not just settle for a single Gurren Lagann? That thing can destroy galaxies without a problems too. XD

They tried. It blew up when It got struck by its own side's arty fire. They stopped producing more after that. Damn Ayu Mayu Alternative for trying to bring Supers into my MuvLuv...

Sheba

2012-07-13, 12:57

Instead of having all of those mecha, why not just settle for a single Gurren Lagann? That thing can destroy galaxies without a problems too. XD

I say, bring the Emperor of Mankind, he will force the humankind to get its shit together and come up with a plan to destroy the BETAs in one swift strike, because their numbers AND their adaptability are the biggest threats to humans.

kaizerknight01

2012-07-13, 12:58

Instead of having all of those mecha, why not just settle for a single Gurren Lagann? That thing can destroy galaxies without a problems too. XD

because even galaxies cannot fathom my rage :heh::heh:

shaga

2012-07-13, 18:18

Angrypokstick

2012-07-13, 19:31

does zuikaku always have different colour in purpose?
i mean..
is that true red always for leader n yellow for sub?(for another type too?)

after watching ep 2 i doubt that's yui not just regular student there, doesn't she?

The girls were cadets for the imperial royal guard and not the regular imperial army.
As its name implies the royal guards normally function as the bodyguards for royalty and members of the shogunate. In this universe japan keeped the old shogunate and samurai caste system. SO yes it seems fucked up but here.

The color of different imperial guard units denotes the pilots nobility and heritage.
Purple is the color of royalty and generally used only by the shogun.
Blue is used by the head of the 5 ruling regent houses(future shogun candidate).
Red is fielded by distinguished commanders and/or bodyguards who are in charge for guarding royalty.
Yellow is used by samurai who come from a long line of noble service as a vassal to one of the regent houses.
White is used by pilots from a minor samurai house.
Black is used by the rank and file of the imperial guard whose pilots have no blood relations with any of the noble houses.

this page explains better http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Type-00_Takemikazuchi

Dragonkid11

2012-07-14, 00:51

Guys,I think I somehow managed to came up with the best idea for fanfiction ever...but I will need to clear ALL ROUTES in both extra and unlimited as well as finishing Alternative first

So,here's the idea if one of you decided to write
Here's Shirogane Takeru,who is in another ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE where....Hakuryo don't exist,so is Sumika,Meiya and practically everyone in the VN.

Basically,he is in a totally normal Japan.Besides that,he finished the entire MuvLuv series already,and decided to replay Extra again.Of course he would wonder why the main character has the same name as him.

After finished one of the route again,he accidentally touch the monitor screen because the scene is...touching?(lol,pun)And he ended up gotten himself into Extra universe,the REAL ONE.

But he just think that he entered a computer world and since he know what will happen in the future,he decided to change the entire timeline of the MuvLuv world,yes,that included Unlimited and Alternative.

Hilarity and heartwarming moment ensues

Also,this Takeru is going to be WAY WAY more different than the one we know.

Now go wonder the possibilities

grevierr

2012-07-14, 11:06

Aww goddamn.... I was reading TDA01 as recommended, and almost spit my drink at this part:
The draft age limit was dropped due to shortages.
-> Whats the age limit now?
10 years old
....
So it has come to this
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gabgrave/1042213.jpg
Humanity's F'ed

John117xCortana

2012-07-14, 11:11

kaizerknight01

2012-07-14, 12:28

1dsMGd6UzKM

:D:D

Angrypokstick

2012-07-14, 12:48

1dsMGd6UzKM

:D:D

There is an actual 70 chapter + well written fanfic that crosses muvluv unlimited with Post SRW Alpha3 Cobray route(except cobray choose to go to Extra and later to Alternative). The author try to use some"realisim", such as many of the weapons and attacks are not allowed to be used while within or around earth to their destructive nature (you can guess which ones.) its post final mission true end in @3 so almost all units are damaged to some degree to outright unusable and running low on ammo and resources and of course many of these repairs and resupply will be difficult to acquire in muluv earth. Still the technology of the SRW @3 are still pretty broken not to mention They now have Irui Guneden with all her powers and guardians available if she wished after the last level.
for the MLU side, its after the evacuation of the colony ships but before the global G-bombing phase of op Babylon. Takeru gets meiya's 00R repainted in black. the valkyries and 207 are around but disbanded and spread out all over the world. Marimo is back to being a major in the IJA and gets her own battalion affiliated with the UN curiously named "wardog" battalion which will get many members who we are familiar with from the various chronicle. Also the Americans are scheming something huge with the the arrival of the alpha numbers.

Silvance

2012-07-14, 13:33

for the MLU side, its after the evacuation of the colony ships but before the global G-bombing phase of op Babylon. Takeru gets meiya's 00R repainted in black. the valkyries and 207 are around but disbanded and spread out all over the world. Marimo is back to being a major in the IJA and gets her own battalion affiliated with the UN curiously named "wardog" battalion which will get many members who we are familiar with from the various chronicle. Also the Americans are scheming something huge with the the arrival of the alpha numbers.

I think I saw the video of that in youtube somewhere several months ago. I remember having adrenaline rush when I watched it.

EDIT: Never mind. Perhaps it was a different video since Meiya still had her Takemikazuchi.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/1315636754340.jpg

Cosmic Eagle

2012-07-14, 20:30

1dsMGd6UzKM

:D:D

I would gladly pay to watch an anime like that

Shizel fighting alongside Kageaki against BETA lolololol

John117xCortana

2012-07-14, 22:23

There is an actual 70 chapter + well written fanfic that crosses muvluv unlimited with Post SRW Alpha3 Cobray route(except cobray choose to go to Extra and later to Alternative). The author try to use some"realisim", such as many of the weapons and attacks are not allowed to be used while within or around earth to their destructive nature (you can guess which ones.) its post final mission true end in @3 so almost all units are damaged to some degree to outright unusable and running low on ammo and resources and of course many of these repairs and resupply will be difficult to acquire in muluv earth. Still the technology of the SRW @3 are still pretty broken not to mention They now have Irui Guneden with all her powers and guardians available if she wished after the last level.
for the MLU side, its after the evacuation of the colony ships but before the global G-bombing phase of op Babylon. Takeru gets meiya's 00R repainted in black. the valkyries and 207 are around but disbanded and spread out all over the world. Marimo is back to being a major in the IJA and gets her own battalion affiliated with the UN curiously named "wardog" battalion which will get many members who we are familiar with from the various chronicle. Also the Americans are scheming something huge with the the arrival of the alpha numbers.

Link please ?

Destined_Fate

2012-07-14, 23:42

Keep the dream alive, as long as there's hope than Muv-Luv may transcend into SRW. Though SRW rarely uses manga adaptions, they prefer animated works since more people know of them and it's easier just to reuse VA stock and cut-ins from an Anime than to make up everything from scratch. So if TE does well hope the others get animated so they have a chance as well.

Cosmic Eagle

2012-07-15, 00:06

They should seriously just animate SRW...

Who wouldn't want to watch that kind of crossover story...

Silvance

2012-07-15, 01:30

Shiranui Nigata Yuuya Bridges Custom Deluxe Edition is now open for preorders. It comes with a tank class too. :heh:

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/1342316986360.jpg

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-15, 01:45

Shiranui Nigata Yuuya Bridges Custom Deluxe Edition is now open for preorders. It comes with a tank class too. :heh:

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/Fate_T_Harlaown/1342316986360.jpg

Adding it to the collection.

Cosmic Eagle

2012-07-15, 03:00

kaizerknight01

2012-07-15, 03:54

was kinda bored, started to dabble some some plot/scenario here goes

Shirogane Takeru {Quanta version} After 12000 cycles of going to other multi verses , this version of Takeru became a being made out of energy particles such proton and bosons , has finally all the technology and the know how to rid the Alternative verse of beta on the earth. But there are hindrances.

As long there another Shirogane , Takeru in Alternative verse , he cannot do dimensional jump personally, so remedy this , he made TSF like unit the possesses advance tech to give to Shirogane Takeru ( Alternative)

Btw TSF code name is "Shirogane" AKA White Steel"

still thinking if i should write a fanfic, MUV luv still quite new to me

grylsyjaeger

2012-07-15, 06:10

I've been following this FanFic for about three months;

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7112821/1/Muv_Luv_One_Last_Time_into_the_Loop

Really enjoying it to be honest.

Sheba

2012-07-15, 06:21

Total Eclipse first episodes made me more curious about the world itself. So I took a dive into the wikia, avoiding every spoilers. Mostly interested in the international scene. I can understand why some people really loves the Euro Front part of the franchise. Speaking of which, would not some european powers keep some troops on African soil, especially north africa and Gibraltar? I thought that the author would take advantage of Europe's past history in Africa.

Dragonkid11

2012-07-15, 09:53

There is a fic thats similar to that.

I've been following this FanFic for about three months;

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7112821/1/Muv_Luv_One_Last_Time_into_the_Loop

Really enjoying it to be honest.

If you mean this one,then it really is similar to one I thought of...

Except more lol moments happen in mine

John117xCortana

2012-07-15, 10:30

If you mean this one,then it really is similar to one I thought of...

Except more lol moments happen in mine

Thats the one I'm talking about. My favorite CMOA scene with Yuuhi is in chapter 49.

Here is a hint. "Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn."

Dragonkid11

2012-07-15, 10:39

Thats the one I'm talking about. My favorite CMOA scene with Yuuhi is in chapter 49.

Here is a hint. "Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn."

Ohohohoho...

This fanfic is really dragging me in

It's practically a bonus to have Takeru showing the Just as Planned expression XD

John117xCortana

2012-07-15, 11:18

Yeah but Yoroi is now even more interested in Shirogane. Which I don't think is a good thing at all.

Oh and for some reason I just like the thought of Shirogane with Yuuhi. The Shogun and the Soldier. Would make a quite interesting couple.

Von Himmel

2012-07-15, 12:27

John117xCortana

2012-07-15, 21:13

Who is Venus's seiyu ? Because she sounds so....sweet.

Silvance

2012-07-15, 21:15

Who is Venus's seiyu ? Because she sounds so....sweet.

Ohara, Sayaka

Here are some of her previous roles in other series:

Alicia Florence - Aria series
Irisviel - Fate/Zero
Beatrice - Sea Cats Umineko

John117xCortana

2012-07-15, 21:42

Wait wait....thats Milly Ashford !!?

Angrypokstick

2012-07-15, 21:49

...Where could I read that glorious fanfic? ;_;

unfortunately its in Japanese, though more recently a Chinese ver of the fanfic have been released.
an anon on 4chan translated several quotes from the fanfic as teasers. see if yo can get the references.

"All right gentlemen, Imperial Japan have given us permission to enter its airspace. The Ra Cailum will now enter condition red. Torres,disperse Minovsky particle at combat density and time the firing of our mega-particle cannons with the Archeangel's Lohengrin cannon. The eastern beach head of Sagoshima will be cleared before we deploy our Mobile suit teams. Amuro, Kamille, and Burning are your teams ready?"

"Shinji the BETAs are not allowed to breach the main gate on the No.2 runway. Assit the The A-01 the best you can."

"ughhhh.. this is so retarded....why does baka shinji gets to sit on his lazy ass while we are litrerally knee deep in these disgusting BETA. They just keep coming out of that damn tunnel , just how many are there and wtf is that rumbling. Ayanami? are you listening to me Ayanami? Oh God! what are you doing with that N2 Mine?! Rei Are you fucking insane?! WE ARE IN A TUNNE-------------BOOOOOOOM" (later an offical UN investagation was ordered on the alpha # for what is believed to be an unsanctioned illegal use of an nuclear weapon within the the vicinity human settlement,the alpha number were quick to point out the difference between N2 and traditional nuclear weapons.)

"Mission acknowledged..... Target lock..... Magnus Lux swarm.....show me their fate Zero."

"Tomoro 0117 activate ES-window and raise J-jewel output to 30%. Those who wish to steal the joy of soaring freely in the skies are my enemy, anti-meson cannon prepare to fire."

"Not bad,not bad. you guys certainly live up to the name Valkyries. "
"What do you mean Lt.... Isamu Dyson was it? Is there a unit named Valkries as well where you are from ?"
"Not exactly. This baby i m using here is called a Valkyrie type fighter. Technically This one is a VF-19"Excalibur" and Valkyries are the first or VF-1, though somehow everybody where i m from ended up calling them all Valkyries....If you want Lt Mitsuki i m sure i can teach you to be a true Valkyrie pilot after we are done here"
"Isamu! we are in combat what are you doing chitchatting!"
"Jesus, Guld can't a man have a nice conversation with a pretty lady in peace."
"I'm telling Myung...."

"Why does that senju.. i mean gundam remind me of Meiya?"

"What the! who just launched !? i did not give any permission to launch yet."
"I'm sorry Captain, its Basara and Sivil... we couldn't stop them. He said he wanted to sing...."

"Are you telling me they have a 70KM warship parked over our heads.and that an even more insane and logic defying group of these people and their..machines.. are clearing the hives on Mars as we speak?"
"yes, they said they did something they called a route split."

John117xCortana

2012-07-15, 22:00

Question, why was Kasumi crying in the last ep of Alternative ?

Destined_Fate

2012-07-16, 00:39

They should seriously just animate SRW...

Who wouldn't want to watch that kind of crossover story...

Too expensive(Which is why untill recently they rarely used Anime Cut-Ins), the best they can do is animate the OG versions. I also don't think the many different Mecha series would approve of their characters and mecha being animated into a series with other mecha series since too many series makes it hard to develop everyone.

SRW gets away with that since it has a lot of text(Cheaper than VA work) which lets them not only deal with multiple series but also flesh things out better.

Like Code Geass in the SRW Z2 saga that helped flesh out C.C.'s past and expanded more on Lelouch and Kallen and their relationship(As well as Kallen's careing side and Lelouch's selflessness) vastly that the series only touched on. Though I'm sure C.C. x Lelouch and Gino x Kallen shippers were rightly angry since C.C. is portrayed as only a motherly figure(And not a Lover) to Lelouch and Kallen, Gino has a lot of scenes with Kallen cut out(And he doesn't join till much later and for vastly different reasons), and the game focuses only on the Lelouch x Kallen ship from start to finish. Even if Shirley is saved she lets Lelouch go since she can't live in the world that Lelouch is forced to walk while Kallen and Suzaku can.

Or SEED Destiny where they took out Athrun's defection, gave Shinn and Lunamaria a lot of moments to develop their romance(and cut out her crush on Athrun), and made Kira more like a newtype where he "understands" Shinn and helps Shinn save Stella which later prevents the battle of Orb(Instead the Minerva lets the Archangel escape and they later aid Cagalli and the Archangel retake Orb with Shinn and Lunamaria refuseing to be used by Durandal and join forces with Kira).

Makes me wonder what changes Muv-Luv might be open if it gets okay'd for SRW. I'm sure there are some things fans would like changed or added in as secrets. Sorta like when Fafner got in SRW K they made a secret where you could save everyone and change the ending completely.

Village Idiot

2012-07-16, 01:02

Too expensive(Which is why untill recently they rarely used Anime Cut-Ins), the best they can do is animate the OG versions. I also don't think the many different Mecha series would approve of their characters and mecha being animated into a series with other mecha series since too many series makes it hard to develop everyone.

SRW gets away with that since it has a lot of text(Cheaper than VA work) which lets them not only deal with multiple series but also flesh things out better.

Like Code Geass in the SRW Z2 saga that helped flesh out C.C.'s past and expanded more on Lelouch and Kallen and their relationship(As well as Kallen's careing side and Lelouch's selflessness) vastly that the series only touched on. Though I'm sure C.C. x Lelouch and Gino x Kallen shippers were rightly angry since C.C. is portrayed as only a motherly figure(And not a Lover) to Lelouch and Kallen, Gino has a lot of scenes with Kallen cut out(And he doesn't join till much later and for vastly different reasons), and the game focuses only on the Lelouch x Kallen ship from start to finish. Even if Shirley is saved she lets Lelouch go since she can't live in the world that Lelouch is forced to walk while Kallen and Suzaku can.

Or SEED Destiny where they took out Athrun's defection, gave Shinn and Lunamaria a lot of moments to develop their romance(and cut out her crush on Athrun), and made Kira more like a newtype where he "understands" Shinn and helps Shinn save Stella which later prevents the battle of Orb(Instead the Minerva lets the Archangel escape and they later aid Cagalli and the Archangel retake Orb with Shinn and Lunamaria refuseing to be used by Durandal and join forces with Kira).

Makes me wonder what changes Muv-Luv might be open if it gets okay'd for SRW. I'm sure there are some things fans would like changed or added in as secrets. Sorta like when Fafner got in SRW K they made a secret where you could save everyone and change the ending completely.

They'll probably make it so that everyone survives and the Sumika survives via some kinda Deus Ex Machina. ie: Getter Rays.

Or they pull an even bigger twist on Muv-Luv fans, and reveal at the end that this Takeru is actually the Takeru from Alternative, and instead of being erased and getting sent to a new Extra timeline, he got sent to Alternative 2.0 with the goal of making damn sure this time that everyone makes it out alive.

Be interesting if they also have Orgus in the series, which would make a lot of sense since both series deals with alternate universes. Takeru could be very special in that they make him a compilation of all Takeru's from every universe from every mecha series in the game.

Destined_Fate

2012-07-16, 01:41

Well, Muv-Luv most likely wont get in Z3 so I don't think any of the Muv-Luv verses will be getting in the same game as Orguss(It's in the Z games) for quite a while. Most likely Orguss will be retired for a few years after the Z saga ends and than brought back at another time. Sorta like how they're retiring Mazinger/Mazinkaiser in favor of Shin Mazinger for the time being since Mazinger/Mazinkaiser has been pretty overused and could use a short break.

grevierr

2012-07-16, 01:43

Destined_Fate

2012-07-16, 01:48

That can easily be ignored or handled like how they handled Nadesico. Besides, something like that is usually just mentioned than ignored(Like Godmars in Z no longer causing a game over if it's destroyed) in favor of fun gameplay and crazy Mecha attacks. Than there are the Energy regen parts or the support units that can refill ammo/energy and recover the health of other units. So it's a non-issue for SRW games. Sorta like how they don't care in Z if you use a VOTOMS scopedog to punch out the massive last bosses in the game where it's smaller than their toes.

grevierr

2012-07-16, 02:02

Then that is no longer Muv Luv alternative as we know the world. It just becomes another playground for SRW to play in. If you just handwave and clear any plot devices not wanted, whats the point? It becomes just like the Dog Days battle for fun and furry.

The point of MLA is that this is what real war with aliens looks like from an anime POV. They could have just as easily made it with SRW standards, as Ayu-Mayu Alternative and several pre-production script planning showed, but that was too common and would have made the VN a joke.

At the very least keep some elements of the world. Or it will end up like Eureka Seven where everything can fly regardless of the Trapar density, which was a main plot point behind the series mechanics.

Destined_Fate

2012-07-16, 02:25

If it comes at the cost of gameplay and fun than it will be ignored outside of plot revelance and events. Just like how when Godannar was in SRWK and L they ignore the fact that the rest of the team from other series should be going berserk just like Go is and that no matter what happens Go never goes berserk before that story event even if you never deploy him or always deploy him.

No one really complained about that. Then again no one complains that units that can fly don't need to have their thrusters on unless they're attacking something. It's all for convience really and to cut costs for something srw players really don't care about.

Besides, they can still offer how grim Muv-Luv Alternate is through the story even if they don't have Euroasia completely infested and demolished by BETA(since a lot of other series need those areas still around). Just like how they managed to work Shin Getter Robo Armageddon and Gurren Lagann into the z2 Verse while still keeping the general theme alive without compromising the story despite the fact that the z2 world isn't completely destroyed.

Village Idiot

2012-07-16, 02:34

Or they could have the first few stages showing a "bad future" and then something happens that causes the jump back in time.

Destined_Fate

2012-07-16, 02:41

They did that with SRW R I believe. If anything they'll have prologue stages for Total Eclipse that will showcase the threat of the BETA and play out the squad event. Or do what they did with VOTOMS in Z2.1 where they had Chirico have a "Flashback" stage(Or stages) which also yielded him a secret. Instead of Chirico it'll be Yui reliving that event and Japan suffering a huge defeat against the BETA with countless lost.

Since those events happen in the past they woudn't get in the way of other series that use Japan.

Miraluka

2012-07-16, 16:39

*peeks a lookt at MLATE CGs*
...
So she isn't dead at all.

*desk-flip*

SolarAquarion

2012-07-16, 17:47

Muv Luv Alternative TE is #2 on the preorder list. Does Japan want the trilogy to be produced with a Good Budgt?

Silvance

2012-07-16, 19:04

*peeks a lookt at MLATE CGs*

TE CGs? The VN isn't even out yet... Unless you are referring to the one that came with AF. That was just a trial version which was released years ago, and it only contained the 1st episode/chapter of TE.

Muv Luv Alternative TE is #2 on the preorder list. Does Japan want the trilogy to be produced with a Good Budgt?

Most likely. I wonder how many of them ordered more than 1 copy. :heh:

Well, I'm sure some of the western fans have also contributed one way or another to the creators of the franchise. e.g. Buying figures, the games, and BD...

Myssa Rei

2012-07-16, 19:35

Most likely. I wonder how many of them ordered more than 1 copy. :heh:

Well, do remember Konata's take on it (and she's probably indicative of how a hadcore fan purchases material on a favored franchise: one for use, one for memorabilia (meaning it's not going to be opened, ever), and one as either back-up or future selling.

Village Idiot

2012-07-16, 19:37

I really wonder how they'll handle a Muv-Luv Extra/Unlimited anime series.

I'd imagine that Extra will be done like Amagami or Yosuga no Sora (for obvious reasons), but donno about Unlimited since all the routes are just too similar in that one.

grevierr

2012-07-16, 20:10

Well, do remember Konata's take on it (and she's probably indicative of how a hadcore fan purchases material on a favored franchise: one for use, one for memorabilia (meaning it's not going to be opened, ever), and one as either back-up or future selling.

I would be guilty of this. Its amazing how much stuff there is to collect. I got doubles of all the Age fanbooks, one of each Volks TSF, some of their resin models, the Volks Moe series of MLA figures, all 5 sets, the game first release game limited ed figures, all the comiket releases, a few mouse pads and pillow covers i cannot use in polite company, 2 XG-70d resin kits originals, the original few MLA 1/8 figures by Koto, all the figmas, all the Koto TSF kits.

SolarAquarion

2012-07-16, 20:36

Who does Yuuya fall in love with in the LN's?

John117xCortana

2012-07-16, 20:39

I hope it's Stella. She's hot.

SolarAquarion

2012-07-16, 20:43

I hope it's Stella. She's hot.

It may be Yui. I mean a Japan hating Japanese american falling in love with a Japanese girl who is a Japanese patriot? Talk about interesting romances.

Whatever it is I am thinking of a altered fable story of their romance and how they meet.

John117xCortana

2012-07-16, 20:54

Opposites attract ?

Seriously though. I hope it's Stella.

Maybe you could write a fanfic about it ?

Angrypokstick

2012-07-16, 21:15

It may be Yui. I mean a Japan hating Japanese american falling in love with a Japanese girl who is a Japanese patriot? Talk about interesting romances.

Whatever it is I am thinking of a altered fable story of their romance and how they meet.

Well the joke version because Deep down Yuuya is abit of a mechaphile
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2323/1341438664733.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/1341438664733.png/)

and for LN plot wise.

Yuuya falls in love with Cryska first, but eventually develops feelings for Yui later on. In the girl's case, Yui actually fall for him first and gets very jealous when he shows affection or favoritism towards Cryska. Cryska won't fall for him for a quite a bit though. There is one part in the LN later on where the Yui tells Cryska that the 2 of them are now beyond being enemies, they are now enemies of love.
And then there is Inia who fell in love with Yuuya simply because she herself is an Esper/mind reader and from reading Yuuya's mind only once, She pretty much decided he was right for her. Inia is also probably a big factor in why Cryska fell in love with Yuuya as well. The 2 Russians are pretty much a package deal. Its ESP/mind reading Soviet SUPER SCIENCE shenanigans i ain't explaining shit.
Though of course there is still Yeifei and Sharon but they won't show up for another couple weeks except for maybe some cameos here and there.