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Miraluka
2012-12-08, 13:22
If she is smiling, then isn't Yozora.
Guys, thats Maekawa from Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko series.
Sumeragi
2012-12-08, 13:27
I have the feeling that the death of Sena's mother caused a great change in Stella. Maybe..... Stella is Sena's aunt?
mironicus
2012-12-08, 14:56
Isn't Sena's mother working overseas?
sky black swordman
2012-12-08, 17:03
Isn't Sena's mother working overseas?
Correct, this is confirmed in volume 3: A Visit to Kashiwazaki's Abode.
"No, my wife is currently overseas," said the chairman
Sumeragi
2012-12-08, 17:09
Just have mixed it up with the other mother, who is actually dead.....
mironicus
2012-12-18, 06:55
The first 24 pages of the new Connect Light Novel / Table of Content.
http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/files/d000155/ISBN978-4-8401-4365-3/_SWF_Window.html
http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/bunkoj/book_detail/909
Is that Yozora?
http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/files/d000172/haganaiconnect_pin.jpg
Sumeragi
2012-12-18, 07:01
Oh my.....
*Nosebleed*
Chaos2Frozen
2012-12-18, 07:37
I really can't tell if it's Yozora or Rika :eyespin:
But long hair means the latter right?
Sepheria
2012-12-18, 09:58
I really can't tell if it's Yozora or Rika :eyespin:
But long hair means the latter right?
nah, she's more probably Yozora if you consider the pink ribbon :/
mironicus
2012-12-18, 11:52
It's a Connect Story, so it plays in the past. Yozora = long hair.
The new LN is just as long as a normal volume, over 250 pages (look at the table of content page). The author is delaying the main story and Kodaka's reply to Sena's confession... another 6 months. :D
Don't tell me he is regretting that already ... :S
relentlessflame
2012-12-18, 16:41
Don't tell me he is regretting that already ... :S
There are lots of reasons why they may shuffle things around. One is simply to build anticipation (nothing like making people wait a bit after a cliffhanger). Another is to allow the anime to catch up a bit this January. Another still could just be that the plot that is going to happen next needs these back stories to help make sense. Or it could just be the author's whim or editorial direction -- who knows...
mironicus
2012-12-20, 05:29
New pic from the Haganai Connect Novel.
Turn your head and hold your noses! :D
http://blog.mediafactory.co.jp/mfbunkoj/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/haganaic_ol_sample-1024x721.jpg
Sumeragi
2012-12-20, 05:34
Hmmmm.... Stella.....
*Licks lips*
sky black swordman
2012-12-20, 07:55
Amazing pair of breast, Sena!!:love:
A scene that may lead to yuri implications!? If only a little.
mironicus
2012-12-20, 10:35
A scene that may lead to yuri implications!? If only a little.
They are doing it the whole time! And of course Stella is the obedient one. :p
Sepheria
2012-12-20, 13:02
oh gosh, is that a design for a clear file? I absolutely have to buy it ;<; *Stella looks sooooo gorgeous*
mironicus
2012-12-20, 13:18
Much more: (including pictures of Sena's and Kodaka's parents)
http://seventhstyle.com/2012/12/19/haganai-connect-unwraps-its-bishoujos/
sky black swordman
2012-12-21, 00:27
^ Nice post. :)
If so, then the girl on the cover with loli Sena is not Stella but Sena's mom.
The girl on the cover and the girl in the image with Kodaka's parents have the same black ribbons and hair style.:eyebrow:
I still think the adult girl in the cover is Stella ^^
Which one is Airi (Kodaka & Kobato's mom) by the way? Guessing from early chapter when Sena told Kodaka that her prideful personality is the same like her mom and Pegasus told Kodaka that Kobato really reminds him of Airi, she is the one's wearing eyepatch?
Looks like the one double page with the red dress because you can see Kodaka's face in his dad. Also Kobato took after her mom in looks, but not in boobs...:heh:
mironicus
2012-12-22, 12:58
According to the updated wikipedia page the new Haganai Connect Novel revealed that Stella is...
Sena's half sister! Her full name: Stella Redfield
According to the updated wikipedia page the new Haganai Connect Novel revealed that Stella is...
Sena's half sister! Her full name: Stella Redfield
she looks like more Sena's mom so maybe she's Sena's aunt or maybe Kodaka's?
sky black swordman
2012-12-22, 15:26
According to the updated wikipedia page the new Haganai Connect Novel revealed that Stella is...
Sena's half sister! Her full name: Stella Redfield
WTF! Seriously?! :twitch::eyebrow:
Who is her parent, Sena's dad or Sena's mom ? If we go by last name, then Sena's mother.
Miraluka
2012-12-23, 01:32
So this what makes a connection with everyone but Yozora.
Oh, and Kodaka's mom is a taller version of Kobato... not bigger :heh:.
So this what makes a connection with everyone but Yozora.
Oh, and Kodaka's mom is a taller version of Kobato... not bigger :heh:.
and who is Kobato's mom? because only Pegasus and the girl with the eye patch are blushing and facing each other so maybe she's Sena's mom?
and who is Kobato's mom? because only Pegasus and the girl with the eye patch are blushing and facing each other so maybe she's Sena's mom?
The one in the red dress...
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/14513307_haganai-connect-bishoujo-oppai-003-614x818.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14513307/haganai-connect-bishoujo-oppai-003-614x818.jpg.html)
So does uh, He accept Sena's marriage proposal or goes after the CHF?
sky black swordman
2012-12-24, 03:25
So does uh, He accept Sena's marriage proposal or goes after the CHF?
That is something that would be in volume 9., which has not been released yet.
It's release date AFAIK hasn't been announced yet either.
theory28
2012-12-24, 04:34
The one in the red dress...
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/14513307_haganai-connect-bishoujo-oppai-003-614x818.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14513307/haganai-connect-bishoujo-oppai-003-614x818.jpg.html)
Initially I thought that the one in red was Sena's mother and the one in black was Airi, but then I noticed that she is wearing the same hair ties as the girl on the cover in the school uniform that people assume is Stella (I don't think anyone else mentioned that). She also has one eye closed (that happens to be the same eye that "Gantai-chan" seems to have an eyepatch on in the other pic).
I don't wanna say this proves or disproves anything, I just thought I'd mention it because it was confusing me and wanted to see if anyone had a definitive answer.
Is the cover definitively loli-Sena + Stella (with those hair ties)?
http://dalian.7thstyle.com/2012/12/haganai-connect-vol-1-001.jpg
and if so is this girl with the same hair ties the same girl (lol Chuu2 Stella)? or is it instead, as most of us assumed actually Airi (Kobato/Kodaka's mother)?
http://dalian.7thstyle.com/2012/12/haganai-connect-bishoujo-oppai-003.jpg
— anyone know for certain?
source links from mironicus' earlier post.
7thstyle - A (http://seventhstyle.com/2012/12/05/haganai-connect-new-book-new-characters/)
7thstyle - B (http://seventhstyle.com/2012/12/19/haganai-connect-unwraps-its-bishoujos/)
Initially I thought that the one in red was Sena's mother and the one in black was Airi, but then I noticed that she is wearing the same hair ties as the girl on the cover in the school uniform that people assume is Stella (I don't think anyone else mentioned that). She also has one eye closed (that happens to be the same eye that "Gantai-chan" seems to have an eyepatch on in the other pic).
I don't wanna say this proves or disproves anything, I just thought I'd mention it because it was confusing me and wanted to see if anyone had a definitive answer.
Is the cover definitively loli-Sena + Stella (with those hair ties)?
http://dalian.7thstyle.com/2012/12/haganai-connect-vol-1-001.jpg
and if so is this girl with the same hair ties the same girl (lol Chuu2 Stella)? or is it instead, as most of us assumed actually Airi (Kobato/Kodaka's mother)?
http://dalian.7thstyle.com/2012/12/haganai-connect-bishoujo-oppai-003.jpg
— anyone know for certain?
source links from mironicus' earlier post.
7thstyle - A (http://seventhstyle.com/2012/12/05/haganai-connect-new-book-new-characters/)
7thstyle - B (http://seventhstyle.com/2012/12/19/haganai-connect-unwraps-its-bishoujos/)
yeah i think your right its the same Ribbon
mironicus
2012-12-24, 12:13
So does uh, He accept Sena's marriage proposal or goes after the CHF?
Wait for the second anime season. The story description of the second season on the Japanese homepage already announces developments that goes beyond the eight light novel => A mayor change in the relationships within the neighbor's club will happen that affects everyone.
http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/haganai/story/
隣人部——そこでは『友達作り』を目的に、友達がいない残念な少年少女たちが残念な活動を繰り 広げている。
夏の終わりに三日月夜空に関するちょっとした事件が起きたものの、それからも隣人部では相変わらずの日々が 続いていた。
おかしなシスターや生徒会役員といった新しい顔ぶれも登場し、ますます賑やかになっていく羽瀬川小鷹の日常 。
みんなで遊園地に行ったりゲームをしたり誕生日パーティーをしたり、リア充スクールライフの代表イベントで ある『学園祭』にも果敢に挑戦するなか、 隣人部内の人間関係にも大きな変化がおとずれる……。
残念系青春ラブコメディ、NEXTステージ開幕!!
relentlessflame
2012-12-24, 13:15
Wait for the second anime season. The story description of the second season on the Japanese homepage already announces developments that goes beyond the eight light novel => A mayor change in the relationships within the neighbor's club will happen that affects everyone.
You can't take that sentence to mean much of anything, really. If any members of the Club decide that they're actually friends, that could meet the requirements of the (rather vague) sentence, which is saying more that "that relationships between the club members will undergo a big change". It's just marketing to try to say that "something is going to happen" this season. That doesn't mean they're going to animate beyond the current novels, or imply any romance.
kazzuya13
2012-12-25, 15:36
Finally an update... I knew it I love Rika. Ever since I first saw her illustration and furthermore Kodaka likes Rika's look more than all the other girls appearance. Which Kodaka stated in the series on more than one occasion. http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/72/Boku_wa_Tomodachi_ga_Sukunai_Vol8_Ch03_Img02%28Vex ed%29.pngshe is just so adorable
Okashira
2012-12-25, 15:45
Ahh, there is just so much going on in chapter 3 of volume 8.
"What? Don't get in my way, Kodaka. Oh, I know... D-do you wanna come too? Since you're here and all. I can make an exception... and hang out at the festival with you if you want."
Tsun Tsun.
Kodaka : "She said there's no point if the seven of us don't all watch it together first... Yozora did, that is."
Rika : "Yozora-senpai said that?"
Kodaka : "Yep. ...I... We all felt the same way, too."
Rika : "...Muu... I can't believe the Yozora-senpai actually said that..."
Kodaka : "Yep, and this is the Yozora we're talking about."
It got me :heh:
"Hehe, Kodaka-senpai, if you're gonna have your way with Rika then now's your chance. Just like in an ero doujin!"
...Never knew BL could be so handy.
"Put some feeling into it! Become the sadistic biology teacher!"
mironicus
2012-12-25, 17:13
You can't take that sentence to mean much of anything, really. If any members of the Club decide that they're actually friends, that could meet the requirements of the (rather vague) sentence, which is saying more that "that relationships between the club members will undergo a big change". It's just marketing to try to say that "something is going to happen" this season. That doesn't mean they're going to animate beyond the current novels, or imply any romance.
I am optimistic. They used the same description for the summary of the 8. LN and those "relationship changes that affects everyone" was the marriage proposal from Sena. And the student council president Hina was just introduced at the end of Vol. 7 and she was already included in the preview video of the second season. They will at least animate up to Vol. 8+. It also makes no sense to break up the anime season without Kodaka's reply.
They can also make 24 episodes and during that time they might release Vol. 9 of the LN (May/June 2013). Hirasaki Yomi also writes the scripts for the Anime version.
As of now there are no infos about how many episodes the second season will have, even two weeks before the airing. I guess 12 episodes are not enough if they want to include Hina. :)
l.kostas
2012-12-25, 23:29
The translator made this comment about the last chapter:
"This chapter is the second longest in the entire series I think"
As for the anime:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/anime-spotlight/2013/winter/haganai_next
"Although Yozora Mikazuki faced a certain incident at the end of summer, the daily life of the Neighbor's Club goes on as usual. A strange nun, members of the student council and other new faces make an appearance, causing Kodaka Hasegawa's life to grow even busier.
While they all enjoy going to the amusement park, playing games, celebrating birthdays, and challenging the “school festival”—a symbol of the school life normal people live—the relations amongst the members slowly begins to change…"
At animenewsnetwork they mention 12 episodes.
sky black swordman
2012-12-25, 23:37
^ Thanks for the info and link too. :)
I got to say that last image(On the bottom left side )screams staker. :heh:
While they all enjoy going to the amusement park
I'm really looking forward to the jet coaster chapter. Hearing Fukuen Misato acts as snapped Rika and cursing will be great XD
kazzuya13
2012-12-26, 06:56
I'm really looking forward to the jet coaster chapter. Hearing Fukuen Misato acts as snapped Rika and cursing will be great XD
Yeah "The black dragon" story is really funny but to me the "King's Game" is more my thing.
"Yes. I was searching for a club where I could do the most good, in order to improve myself, and ended up joining the student council."
"In order to improve yourself, huh. Pretty cool..."
Her reason for joining the student council was like blindingly bright light compared to my reason for joining the Neighbors Club.
"No no, it's nothing special."
Yusa happily grinned like a little puppy.
"Well, like I said it was just made this June. You looked over the clubs before that, right?"
"Yes, that's exactly right! I didn't think to check for any new clubs after the start of the year! As I'd expect from one of Sena Kashiwazaki's fellow club members, your insight is truly splendid!"
"...Does being in a club with Sena have anything to do with how insightful someone is?"
I remarked, but Yusa ignored it, and asked,
"By the way, what does the Neighbors Club do?"
"Eh..."
I was at a loss for words.
The goal of the Neighbors Club is basically "to make friends", but we don't have any specific activities, and generally just kill time doing whatever we want. It's kinda hard to explain that to someone else...
...I'm pretty sure Yozora came up with some authentic sounding fake description when she made the club though, maybe I can fool her with that.
"Ummm..."
What was it... I can't really remember because of how ridiculous it was...
Let's see, I think it went like,
"The Neighbors Club is..."
"The Neighbors Club is?"
"Uses... No, follows(?) Christian teachings, and..."
"Uh-huh, uh-huh!"
"Basically, it's like, with Neighbors you see..."
"Yeah!?"
"W-with our Neighbors, we...?"
"Yes!?"
...Shit, I can't remember it at all.
"Simply put, we strive to,"
"You strive to!?"
Yusa's innocent and sparkling gaze was making this really awkward.
"We strive to be able to... adapt to a variety of situations with our neighbors."
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Yozora had something about adapting or whatever in there.
"Ohh!? And what kind of situations do you want to adapt to specifically!?"
I have no idea what to say now.
"...Umm............L-love situations?"
"Love!?"
I just kind of came up with it on the spot since the phrase "neighborly love" came to mind, but "adapt to love situations"? I know I'm the one who said it, but seriously, what does that even mean?
"!? So what does that mean exactly!?"
Figures she'd ask about it if even I don't know what it means.
"B-basically the Neighbors Club studies love... in various situations..."
"You study love!?"
"Y-yeah..."
I averted my eyes from Yusa as a cold sweat ran down my face.
"So how do you study love!?"
"Eh...... Uh... Um... I'm not too sure yet..."
I seriously have no idea (about studying and what I'm saying), so I just crossed my arms and answered her with a serious face.
Surprisingly though, in response Yusa simply made a meek expression on her face, and said,
"I see...... I should've known... It's quite a profound topic after all..."
"...?"
I have no idea why she "should've known" that, but whatever.
"...Pardon my silly question... This is a subject a sage as wise as yourself must dedicate his entire body and soul to in order to understand... There's no way I'd ever be able to grasp it simply by asking you about it."
It appears I'm a sage now.
"...The pursuit of love... so profound... I can't believe Sena Kashiwazaki is off studying such a deep topic while all I do is spend my days training in the morning, studying at night, doing student council work during the week, and volunteering on the weekends... She's on a whole different level from me now... I don't think I'll ever reach her..."
"W-well, you might be closer than you think. Haha..."
I made a dry laugh to try and cheer Yusa up (she's way too good of a person... is she a saint or something...?).
"So yeah, anyway I've gotta go. Good luck."
That part killed me.
mironicus
2013-01-02, 15:19
I just saw the latest manga scan of Vol. 32.
Included is also an announcement of the second anime season with pictures that indicates how far the anime will follow the light novel.
There is a birthday cake (Vol. 6), Yozora playing with cats (Vol. 7), Pegasus running (Vol. 7), Sena running on the Sports Festival (Vol. 7), Movie making (Vol. 7), Rika on the roof (End of Vol. 7) and there is Kodaka and Aoi Yusa carrying packages (Vol. 8 - this scene takes place after Sena's confession) and Hina (Vol. 8).
So - just like the PV indicated, you can hopefully expect that the second season will cover up to Vol. 8 of the LN...
DarkSkiper
2013-01-02, 16:22
I just saw the latest manga scan of Vol. 32.
Included is also an announcement of the second anime season with pictures that indicates how far the anime will follow the light novel. I can't post pictures here, but sent me a PM if you want a link.
There is a birthday cake (Vol. 6), Yozora playing with cats (Vol. 7), Pegasus running (Vol. 7), Sena running on the Sports Festival (Vol. 7), Movie making (Vol. 7), Rika on the roof (End of Vol. 7) and there is Kodaka and Aoi Yusa carrying packages (Vol. 8 - this scene takes place after Sena's confession) and Hina (Vol. 8).
So - just like the PV indicated, you can hopefully expect that the second season will cover up to Vol. 8 of the LN...
OH, so I wasn't wrong when I saw that scan. And since the anime will follow up to vol. 8.... I just can't wait! I think I will go and reread and re watch the LN and Anime.
sky black swordman
2013-01-02, 18:41
This may be bad. First it's going to be a 12 episode long series and they are trying to fit a total 4(more or less) volume worth of content in only 12 episodes !?
Man, I hope doesn't lead to a anime original ending.
Miraluka
2013-01-02, 19:26
Uh, that doesn't feels right, is the studio willing to cramp everything they can into a 1-cour series or make a 2-cour??
I wish the latter.
relentlessflame
2013-01-02, 22:39
Uh, that doesn't feels right, is the studio willing to cramp everything they can into a 1-cour series or make a 2-cour??
I wish the latter.
I think stretching out the four novels into 24 episodes would probably be overkill for this sort of story (and it would really change the pacing compared to the first season that was more quick and slapstick). I suspect they'll do a one-cour season now, and possibly aim for another one-cour season sometime down the road (2014?).
mironicus
2013-01-03, 06:52
Season One only covered the first three LN and the beginning of LN 4.
So there are actually almost five LN to cover (4,5,6,7,8) in the second season.
Well... AnimeNewsNetwork is the only source on the internet that tells you that Haganai Next will have 12 episodes. But they don't posted any sources where they got this information. This could be also some kind of placeholder with the usual 12 episodes listed out first.
There are no japanese sources who confirms that (episodes are only listed as "scheduled").
If they make more they can also include some Connect Stories and the LN 9 with the long awaited reply from Kodaka. That should be enough for 2 cours. :)
Miraluka
2013-01-03, 12:35
I think stretching out the four novels into 24 episodes would probably be overkill for this sort of story (and it would really change the pacing compared to the first season that was more quick and slapstick). I suspect they'll do a one-cour season now, and possibly aim for another one-cour season sometime down the road (2014?).
No at all, I remember there are stories that the first season skipped from the firsts novels.
relentlessflame
2013-01-04, 04:12
Well... AnimeNewsNetwork is the only source on the internet that tells you that Haganai Next will have 12 episodes. But they don't posted any sources where they got this information. This could be also some kind of placeholder with the usual 12 episodes listed out first.ANN saying 12 episodes is totally meaningless because they do indeed do this as a placeholder. However, in this case, I think it happens to be a reasonable guess, since I would be quite surprised for the sequel to be two-cours when the first season was only one. I'm not saying it's impossible... but it would be most unusual (you can probably count the examples from the last decade on one hand), and in this case, I would not bet on it. Of course, I'd be fine with being wrong... just I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
(Edit: One of the supporting reasons I would offer is the timeslot on TBS, which has been filled with one-cour shows for some time now. There are already two shows confirmed for TBS in April which are likely (but not confirmed) to go in the same timeslot. In addition, the soundtrack for the second season has already been scheduled for end-March, and it's not too common for the soundtrack to be released that far before the presumed end of the show (since the music wouldn't necessarily all be done that early).)
No at all, I remember there are stories that the first season skipped from the firsts novels.That is doubtless the case, but their goal isn't necessarily to adapt every single story/part of the novels, just to convey the overall idea. I'm not saying whether that's better or worse, but it's not invalid either. The novel still exists, after all. If the anime can do a passable job telling the story and get people to also buy the books, that's still (potentially) a win for the publisher, and it may be all they can achieve within their budget.
New chapter out seems like same ole stuff going on. Maybe a little less of Kodaka with his head stuck in the sand. Guess the real meat and potatoes in the volume comes later...
Gotta love Rika with her hair down...
crumpledpaper
2013-01-12, 10:09
Were Yozora and Rika really thought the Tower they did was really cute or they just a great actress, so they can make Sena feels good about it? As for Yukimura, as he seems not capable to tell a lie, I thinks he was indeed thought it was good :heh:
The girl talk about their hair was certainly cute though. They just look like three normal girls there, aside from Sena and Yozora tsundere-ish "only your hair that's good" XD
Yozora felt bad and apologize to Sena? I wonder why she starts now though.
Can't help going DAWWW both time when Sena murmurs "Uuu Kodaka" :hyper-^v^:
uhmm... i think they did that to make Sena feel bad. Since it was Sena who said she was perfect enough to handle a heaping, so it wasn't actually Yozora and Rika's fault. Plus, it just proves that her hair doesn't actually look cute :eyespin: i suck at explaining :bow: ||D
For novel reader, is Sena masturbating on Yozora's picture in anime episode 1 NEXT?
D-Scythe911
2013-01-12, 13:24
For novel reader, is Sena masturbating on Yozora's picture in anime episode 1 NEXT?
Its more like she getting intoxicated at the mere thought of getting her revenge on Yozora. Similar to how she gets when she thinks about Kobato
Flere821
2013-01-12, 15:46
For novel reader, is Sena masturbating on Yozora's picture in anime episode 1 NEXT?
I'm pretty sure that hand position didn't happen in the LNs =/
Miraluka
2013-01-12, 15:57
For novel reader, is Sena masturbating on Yozora's picture in anime episode 1 NEXT?
Judge by yourself:
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/thumb/e/ec/Boku_wa_Tomodachi_ga_Sukunai_v04_004-005.jpg/800px-Boku_wa_Tomodachi_ga_Sukunai_v04_004-005.jpg
I think that part in the anime she is just extending the wig, look at it closely.
I have two questions
First anime season conclues which Volume of the LN?
Is anime includes almost everything from the LN ot it is better to read?
I have two questions
First anime season conclues which Volume of the LN?
Is anime includes almost everything from the LN ot it is better to read?
If you want to know the characters per source, obviously reading is the way to go, and then can comment on whether the anime portrayed the same. However if you just treat anime as a standalone piece and want questions answered, then maybe not, because the they may or may not have the same intention. Though given the author's more close involvement in Next, it is possible that the anime will be steered towards the novel's direction more had it ever deviated in S1.
frivolity
2013-01-12, 22:59
Most of us probably know this already, but what Sena did in her bed is akin to this:
IN 492BC, at the end of the “Spring and Autumn” period in Chinese history, Goujian, the king of Yue in modern Zhejiang, was taken prisoner after a disastrous campaign against King Fuchai, his neighbour to the north. Goujian was put to work in the royal stables where he bore his captivity with such dignity that he gradually won Fuchai's respect. After a few years Fuchai let him return home as his vassal.
Goujian never forgot his humiliation. He slept on brushwood and hung a gall bladder in his room, licking it daily to feed his appetite for revenge. Yue appeared loyal, but its gifts of craftsmen and timber tempted Fuchai to build palaces and towers even though the extravagance ensnared him in debt. Goujian distracted him with Yue's most beautiful women, bribed his officials and bought enough grain to empty his granaries. Meanwhile, as Fuchai's kingdom declined, Yue grew rich and raised a new army.
Goujian bided his time for eight long years. By 482BC, confident of his superiority, he set off north with almost 50,000 warriors. Over several campaigns they put Fuchai and his kingdom to the sword.
http://www.economist.com/node/17601499
She thought that's what she's doing. Except I don't think King Goujian derived much pleasure from licking gall bladders :heh:
Miraluka
2013-01-13, 01:42
Sadly, there is no military campaign for Sena and she is rich already :heh:.
Most of us probably know this already, but what Sena did in her bed is akin to this::
IN 492BC, at the end of the “Spring and Autumn” period in Chinese history, Goujian, the king of Yue in modern Zhejiang, was taken prisoner after a disastrous campaign against King Fuchai, his neighbour to the north. Goujian was put to work in the royal stables where he bore his captivity with such dignity that he gradually won Fuchai's respect. After a few years Fuchai let him return home as his vassal.
Goujian never forgot his humiliation. He slept on brushwood and hung a gall bladder in his room, licking it daily to feed his appetite for revenge. Yue appeared loyal, but its gifts of craftsmen and timber tempted Fuchai to build palaces and towers even though the extravagance ensnared him in debt. Goujian distracted him with Yue's most beautiful women, bribed his officials and bought enough grain to empty his granaries. Meanwhile, as Fuchai's kingdom declined, Yue grew rich and raised a new army.
Goujian bided his time for eight long years. By 482BC, confident of his superiority, he set off north with almost 50,000 warriors. Over several campaigns they put Fuchai and his kingdom to the sword.
http://www.economist.com/node/17601499
To be licking gall bladders, and be taking any sort of pleasure from something like that. Damn, you gotta really hate someone badly. Probably even past the point of obsession.
frivolity
2013-01-13, 04:58
It's not so much about pleasure per se, but about never forgetting the hardship that he went through as a captive in his enemy's territory. What Sena is doing appears somewhat similar, with her stroking the wig in order to remember the insult regarding the cosplay of the worst organism on the planet as well as the ordeal she went through in terms of the heaping hairstyle.
Judging by the opening of the second season, I assume it will cover until the movie project for the festival?
I have two questions
First anime season conclues which Volume of the LN?
Is anime includes almost everything from the LN ot it is better to read?
First season of the anime covered until 2 first chapters of the fourth volume (along with Connect light novel for the Yozora's POV on last episode), though some chapters are skipped (one was adapted as the OVA).
I personally think it's better to also read the LN.
It's not so much about pleasure per se, but about never forgetting the hardship that he went through as a captive in his enemy's territory. What Sena is doing appears somewhat similar, with her stroking the wig in order to remember the insult regarding the cosplay of the worst organism on the planet as well as the ordeal she went through in terms of the heaping hairstyle.
With the way Sena acts I'm really wondering if she's doing it because she wants to get back at Yozora. :heh:
On another note I'm surprised people actually thought Sena was actually masturbating to pics of Yozora instead of thinking the studio was just taking some liberties with that scene.
Rising Dragon
2013-01-15, 00:56
Her hand was at her crotch with her legs clasped over it. You can't really blame them for mistaking it.
mironicus
2013-01-15, 07:26
New chapter up on Vexed site.
Even after so much time, Yozora did not change. She is just only complaining and totally unhappy.
But Kodaka changed (since Yozora's fall) - he pities her and don't listen to her anymore.
The irony in the post above is killing me - particularly taking into account ep1 of the new season :)
Her hand was at her crotch with her legs clasped over it. You can't really blame them for mistaking it.
That's the problem sometimes with Anime. They change something they shouldn't be. I mean, it's not even close with how it is illustrated in the novel :heh:
mironicus
2013-01-15, 10:00
The irony in the post above is killing me - particularly taking into account ep1 of the new season :)
Maybe you should consider this.
Yozora = unhappy
Sena = happy
Happy people can change, they are motivated, they don't give up.
Unhappy people are not motivated, they give up easily.
Happy people can make friends.
Unhappy people can't make friends.
If you want friends, you must be happy first! Then you can work on yourself, improve your personality and so on.
That is exactly what Sena is doing the whole time!
Yozora is completely stuck in negative thinking. She is stuck, she can't move on. She has no aim.
i dread how this novel will end. no matter who Sena or Yozora win, it will be bad. so only possible is an open ending "So my school life continue" will be even worst
finalfury
2013-01-17, 18:48
Anyone think that the author will make Yozora into a suicide victim or am I just being pessimistic?
novalysis
2013-01-17, 20:07
Anyone think that the author will make Yozora into a suicide victim or am I just being pessimistic?
That would be very dark for it's genre, and I imagine the Anime Internet Community would explode if this is true. But, I wouldn't be surprised if Yozora does end up sliding into depression, at this rate.
Sumeragi
2013-01-18, 00:21
Being the cynic, I will say this: Happiness can be ephemeral.
Hollownerox
2013-01-18, 18:43
Maybe you should consider this.
Yozora = unhappy
Sena = happy
Happy people can change, they are motivated, they don't give up.
Unhappy people are not motivated, they give up easily.
Happy people can make friends.
Unhappy people can't make friends.
If you want friends, you must be happy first! Then you can work on yourself, improve your personality and so on.
That is exactly what Sena is doing the whole time!
Yozora is completely stuck in negative thinking. She is stuck, she can't move on. She has no aim.
Well that's a pretty terrible way of categorizing people. I know plenty of people who are extremely unhappy with their lives, yet they have the most motivation of anyone I know; in fact the reason they are motivated is because they are unhappy.
Also, no offense or anything, but I noticed quite a few your posts seem kind of bias. They always seem to make Yozora out as the worst person ever, while Sena is the paragon of the story. I know Yozora won't win the award for best character of the year but you have to admit that she has gotten a decent amount of character development, its just not as obvious; and Sena has her annoying flaws too, which is what makes her a good character to begin with. Personally I don't really like Sena as a character much, yet I don't rant about how much of a bane she is to the story. I know that this is just your opinion and I have nothing against that, but can you tone it down a bit, its hard to take seriously since you have the shipping lenses on so much.
Paranoia, obsession, judgemental, all occasional flaws exhibited by Yozora. Which is why I used the word 'ironic' in another post because for someone who hates a 2D character so much, happens to exhibits the same trait in every post. Understandable if the said someone only watched the first season of the anime - however LN had a much more balanced portrayal.
Funnilh enough this is something that a couple anime viewer has noticed and complaining about Sena's character being a bit broken in S2, well news flash, in the LN she's like that to begin with, every character is broken. For a supposed LN reader, I must question one's comprehension ability, or just the wilful ignorance of all evidence to the contrary.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-01-18, 20:35
Funnilh enough this is something that a couple anime viewer has noticed and complaining about Sena's character being a bit broken in S2, well news flash, in the LN she's like that to begin with, every character is broken. For a supposed LN reader, I must question one's comprehension ability, or just the wilful ignorance of all evidence to the contrary.
I figure it's the same as how the Anime portray Charles (IS), then when the same people went to read the LN they were taken back at how much she's... Not too different from the other girls :p
I remember back in the first season people were closing one-eye to Sena's antics, but I guess it's a lot harder to do so in S2 when they're so 'in your face':D
mironicus
2013-01-19, 12:15
Well that's a pretty terrible way of categorizing people. I know plenty of people who are extremely unhappy with their lives, yet they have the most motivation of anyone I know; in fact the reason they are motivated is because they are unhappy.
If they have motivation then these people are not unhappy. They are motivated to achieve more happiness. They have an aim.
The point about being happy and unhappy is the main theme in Haganai.
The neighbor's club members are doing the same things like in a therapy group.
A bunch of loners who have low social skills: Being happy and motivated is essential to change into persons who can live like "normals" within the society.
And this is the aim for Sena, but not for Yozora. Yozora made the club so she has a place for herself and Kodaka.
Every conflict with Yozora raises Sena's social skills. Yozora makes fun of her and makes her cry but Sena is so motivated that she always comes back and faces her again.
She faces her anxieties and she always tries again even if she fails. This is exactly how people in those groups learn to overcome their social anxieties in real life. The conflicts with Yozora actually helps Sena to become a "normal". Her confidence rises and at the end Sena only needs one victory to overcome her. Yozora don't challenge her again because she is unhappy and has no motivation.
In the current episode of the Anime show Yozora achieved the knowledge that friends can kiss. Sena already tries it out in the next episode. :)
Sena was able to speak out loud those erotic lines from the eroge. Her social skills raised again - someone who can do that has enough confidence to talk to people/strangers without getting nervous. And Yozora was the one who forced her to do that. :D
The current translated chapter from the light novel now shows that Yozora has problems answering a question where you need some basic social skills (a person with friends can answer this question without problems).
Yozora completely relied on her childhood friend card and that was her biggest mistake. She don't have the social skills to form a new friendship with Kodaka.
But this is not only Yozora's problem - it was the same for Rika and Yukimura. They are socially awkward, they just don't now what to do! They can only watch helpless how Sena is able to improve her relationship with Kodaka, because she always tries out those things she just learned.
A social outcast who really wants to live a "normal" life with friends must be happy and very motivated to achieve this goal.
The author of the story also was once a friendless outcast with bad habits, negative thinking, and in his story he describes what to do to get out of this hole.
Hollownerox
2013-01-19, 13:12
If they have motivation then these people are not unhappy. They are motivated to achieve more happiness. They have an aim.
The point about being happy and unhappy is the main theme in Haganai.
The neighbor's club members are doing the same things like in a therapy group.
A bunch of loners who have low social skills: Being happy and motivated is essential to change into persons who can live like "normals" within the society.
A social outcast who really wants to live a "normal" life with friends must be happy and very motivated to achieve this goal.
Once again with the shipping lenses... But you are forgetting some major things, you mistake optimism as social ability, which is simply incorrect. Answer me this, if Sena has such amazing social prowess as you claim then where are her friends outside the Club?
In the beginning of the story she has no female friends and treated the guys as servants due to her arrogance. Seven volumes later and she has no female friends (outside the club) and she still treats the guys as servants... due to her arrogance.
While her happy attitude may make it appear like she would be great at making friends, her haughty attitude still makes her just as pathetic at social issues as the rest of the club. (Admittedly her attitude is what makes her appealing to fans, as well as the usual fanservice bait, but I digress.)
And you're kind of missing the whole point of the series. The theme of the story is not that you have to be "happy" in order to be friends, its more like you don't exactly have to be "normal" in order to make friends. The Neighbor's club is filled with abnormal people, yet they are still friends despite not being a "normal". The author is saying you don't have to fit in with some perceived vision of normalcy to make friends.
mironicus
2013-01-21, 16:49
Once again with the shipping lenses... But you are forgetting some major things, you mistake optimism as social ability, which is simply incorrect. Answer me this, if Sena has such amazing social prowess as you claim then where are her friends outside the Club?
They were alone the whole time, they have to refresh their social skills to make friends.
People who are always alone are used to think about themselves. Friendship starts with the thought about another person. If they can't think about other people they can't even start a relationship.
And you're kind of missing the whole point of the series. The theme of the story is not that you have to be "happy" in order to be friends, its more like you don't exactly have to be "normal" in order to make friends. The Neighbor's club is filled with abnormal people, yet they are still friends despite not being a "normal". The author is saying you don't have to fit in with some perceived vision of normalcy to make friends.
You are not thinking about the aim of the club. They want to be "Riajuu" = normal people who can live a fulfilled life in society.
You are not thinking about the author. The author HAD bad habits, WAS negative thinking and WAS friendless. He don't have this flaws anymore and he has friends now. He became a normal person. :)
Forgive me, but this show is not intended to end up with the message that antisocial people can make friends. Antisocial people can only dream about leading a happy life, as long as they are not starting to work on themselves and change.
Candyshark
2013-01-21, 17:36
Woo... Connect lays thick with fanservice.
and on all that friends argue. I will say even criminals can have friends, someone who lives very hard and pessimistic life can still find someone to socialize as long you are on same wavelenght with them.
relentlessflame
2013-01-22, 03:32
You are not thinking about the author. The author HAD bad habits, WAS negative thinking and WAS friendless. He don't have this flaws anymore and he has friends now. He became a normal person. :)I think that's quite presumptuous of you. How do you know that this is a sort of "personal reflection" of the author's own life and the story of how characters in the story (apparently "like him") became normal people? Is he out there "living the life" in between writing this otaku-centric Light Novel? And is being "a normal person" really such a good thing (and do you really think that's what the author is trying to tell us)? Is this supposed to be some sort of "Otaku Self-Help Guide" to teach "fellow miserable outcasts" social skills?
Are there any "normal people" characters in this story who are consistently portrayed as sympathetic people we should admire?
Forgive me, but this show is not intended to end up with the message that antisocial people can make friends. Antisocial people can only dream about leading a happy life, as long as they are not starting to work on themselves and change.Again, what evidence do you offer to submit that this is theme of the story? Has the story ever truly advocated "normal social behaviour" as the ultimate goal, or really suggested that the characters can't find friendship unless they change? I would submit, on the contrary, that a key theme (if not the main theme) of this story is how this group of rag-tag outcasts find friends in each other. Not that they're going to "graduate" from their oddities, but rather that they'll find ways to live with them because there are people that can accept them for who they are. Yes, Kodaka reached a turning point in terms of his character and decided he needs to take a bit more charge of his destiny, but that doesn't set him on the path to becoming a "normal person" any more than the rest of them. I think it's a story about acceptance and friendship, not "change your ways to become normal (because being an outcast is bad)".
And besides that, I think it's quite presumptuous to suggest that "antisocial people can only dream about leading a happy life". Says who? Finding people who can love and accept you is a wonderful thing, but that doesn't mean you need to "change" who you are.
"Normal" is overrated.
I think that's quite presumptuous of you. How do you know that this is a sort of "personal reflection" of the author's own life and the story of how characters in the story (apparently "like him") became normal people? Is he out there "living the life" in between writing this otaku-centric Light Novel? And is being "a normal person" really such a good thing (and do you really think that's what the author is trying to tell us)? Is this supposed to be some sort of "Otaku Self-Help Guide" to teach "fellow miserable outcasts" social skills?
Are there any "normal people" characters in this story who are consistently portrayed as sympathetic people we should admire?
Again, what evidence do you offer to submit that this is theme of the story? Has the story ever truly advocated "normal social behaviour" as the ultimate goal, or really suggested that the characters can't find friendship unless they change? I would submit, on the contrary, that a key theme (if not the main theme) of this story is how this group of rag-tag outcasts find friends in each other. Not that they're going to "graduate" from their oddities, but rather that they'll find ways to live with them because there are people that can accept them for who they are. Yes, Kodaka reached a turning point in terms of his character and decided he needs to take a bit more charge of his destiny, but that doesn't set him on the path to becoming a "normal person" any more than the rest of them. I think it's a story about acceptance and friendship, not "change your ways to become normal (because being an outcast is bad)".
And besides that, I think it's quite presumptuous to suggest that "antisocial people can only dream about leading a happy life". Says who? Finding people who can love and accept you is a wonderful thing, but that doesn't mean you need to "change" who you are.
"Normal" is overrated.
Very well said. Especially that last line.:heh:
They were alone the whole time, they have to refresh their social skills to make friends.
Sena was never alone. She had her doormats ..err.. male admirers to talk to. One of the reasons Yozora disliked (dislikes) her (popular people can go die).
mironicus
2013-01-23, 16:01
I think that's quite presumptuous of you. How do you know that this is a sort of "personal reflection" of the author's own life and the story of how characters in the story (apparently "like him") became normal people?
I am thinking about the story and the characters and what happened up until know. He wrote in the liner notes that it's a story about himself.
"This novel is a story about myself who also had few friends, bad communication skills, negative thinking, lacking life experiences and useless delusional habits. "
Is this supposed to be some sort of "Otaku Self-Help Guide" to teach "fellow miserable outcasts" social skills?
A complete walk-through to achieve a happy life, a social reintegration step-by-step. :)
They are doing similar things like in a therapy group for people with social anxieties.
Are there any "normal people" characters in this story who are consistently portrayed as sympathetic people we should admire?
Actually what I meant with "normal" is that they learn to interact with each other in a "normal" manner. They learn to think and to care about each other.
And they are also talking about their flaws within the group.
Finding people who can love and accept you is a wonderful thing, but that doesn't mean you need to "change" who you are.
The members of the club are outcasts because they have social anxiety problems. Yozora has an extreme social phobia.
People with such anxieties are not able to lead a happy life if they don't change (improving their social skills, facing their anxieties...).
In the new Connect Light Novel the author gives a more detailed description about the social problems of some characters (Yukimura, Yozora).
ayumi-chan
2013-01-23, 18:19
Hi!
Pardon me!
Why is Yukimura thinking that Kodaka is a delinquent? Is she dreaming...?
Rising Dragon
2013-01-23, 18:26
She's misunderstanding him, like every other damn student at that school. Kodaka's blond hair doesn't help matters.
relentlessflame
2013-01-23, 18:53
Actually what I meant with "normal" is that they learn to interact with each other in a "normal" manner. They learn to think and to care about each other.
And they are also talking about their flaws within the group.If this is really what you meant by "normal", then I don't necessarily disagree with this point in some senses (as this is basically what I said -- that they learn to find friends in each other), but still I don't see how it supports the overall conclusion you're suggesting for the direction of the plot.
"This novel is a story about myself who also had few friends, bad communication skills, negative thinking, lacking life experiences and useless delusional habits. "I'm quite sure that the author sees aspects of himself in the characters. But I'm also quite sure that many of us in the audience are also going to see part of ourselves in these characters, even if it's exaggerated for comedic effect. I don't think that necessarily makes it a "self-help book" for the audience, even if it is a story of hope (that even outcasts can make friends).
The members of the club are outcasts because they have social anxiety problems. Yozora has an extreme social phobia.
People with such anxieties are not able to lead a happy life if they don't change (improving their social skills, facing their anxieties...).They all have some antisocial behaviour, but I'm not sure that "social anxiety" is really at the root of all of it (or for all of them). In the end, most of them are outcasts because they're different from everyone else. I don't think most of them are "afraid" to interact with others or avoid people out of fear of rejection... they're just not good at relating to others, who aren't good at relating to them. And this is why the club is a valuable experience for them.
I'm still not sure that I'm prepared to judge how people can live a "happy life". But it's clear that they weren't satisfied with their original situation of not having any friends to confide in and rely on. I think accepting what they've found in each other is the end point, not becoming "riajuu". Somehow I doubt that even the author has become a "riajuu" himself, even if he's grown up a bit along the way.
Sumeragi
2013-01-23, 20:12
All I'm seeing is mironicus looking at the novels in a very biased way.
Miraluka
2013-01-23, 20:17
*sees above post*
Mother of bias...
Everyone has their point of view I agree with some of microbus' statements :D.
Not just baised but obsessed (obsessed like Sena, but not on the hating part:D) with hatred for Yozora. A test: count number of times Yozora gets mentioned compared Sena in his posts. Which is rather ironic, because he then talks about how negativity is the root of all evil. :heh:
Miraluka
2013-01-23, 22:42
It doesn't matter, even if he goes to overboard, he still is poiting out what is obvious (at least forme).
Okashira
2013-01-25, 01:55
So, chapter 6 from Vol 8 is out thanks to Vexed, and it has plenty of interesting thins here and there.
"It's read as 'deluxe', not letters D and X," I said, fulfilling my duties as the straight man here.
Kodaka, you bastard :heh: He really is aware of what's going on.
You can play the game with just two people, but I suppose you could even play with only one actual person if you use an air friend.
I'm dying :heh:
"(･ω<) Obviously, there's no way I can control the roll of a die. ...Ehe, this is the first time I've ever rolled a real die."
Remember that she looks like in the Volume cover while saying this.
Yozora : "...'You get mugged by a delinquent and lose 600 yen.'...Kodaka!"
Kodaka : "Stop thinking it's me!!"
Epic chapter. Really it was hilarious. Thanks a million Vexed.
frivolity
2013-01-26, 03:42
Did anyone write up a summary of Haganai Connect?
sky black swordman
2013-01-26, 05:45
^ You mean here? If so then, no.
Silverwyrm
2013-01-26, 07:34
Great chapter but aww yuikmura. Felt bad for her being so nice and getting insulted inadvertently by sena and yozora
well ı don't like Sena's personality but i kinda want to support her. maybe ı am weak to blondes :P Yozora's personality remind me of a person ı don't want to meet again. ı had friend and one day she joined that person's circle of friends. ı tried to be nice and understanding even didn't retort when she insulted in front of many people but in the that person never wanted see me among HER friends. Yozora kinda reminds me of her with her "Kodoka and others" thinking.
anyway if you see write something bad about yozora. it is biased. I can't change my past and my feelings regarding it. by the way ı said ı support Sena but Rika would be the best match with Kodoka :D She is way too cute :)
Good chapter and lol at them looking at Kodaka whenever the delinquent bit came up...
Felt bad for Yukimura, too. I hope she gets some time to develop her character more other than the 'yes man' role...
Silverwyrm
2013-01-26, 23:58
Good chapter and lol at them looking at Kodaka whenever the delinquent bit came up...
Felt bad for Yukimura, too. I hope she gets some time to develop her character more other than the 'yes man' role...
I have noticed yukimura has reacted (albeit in a slight manner) to more things recently than she used to. Wondering if she's gonna up and surprise us sometime...
l.kostas
2013-01-27, 02:26
Haganai Connect gives us some of the events this time from the girls' POV.
One chapter has Yozora from right before Kodaka transfered until Sena knocked at the door of the club for the first time, from her POV.
The same for Rika and Yukimura at another chapters, how they first joined the club, from their POV. Rika's chapter shows how Sena's father asked her to go to his school and then how she joined the club.
One important chapter is about Stella, as well as Tenma's and Hayato's High School days. I don't know if/when we will read about it at the main novel. Major Spoiler about Stella:
http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=300&hl=el&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://book.sfacg.com/Novel/8068/MainIndex/
At High School Pegasus was in a relationship with a girl from England but she had to return to England. 14 years later a girl appeared at his house who looked exactly like the girl he had the relationship with at high school. Sena went to elementary school at that time. Sena knows the truth from the start but they had to hide he truth from Sena's mother and other people, so that's how we have "Stella the butler". Tenma's and Sena's mother's marriage was an arranged marriage. Tenma didn't know that girl from England was pregnant before she left.
frivolity
2013-01-27, 04:21
http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=300&hl=el&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://book.sfacg.com/Novel/8068/MainIndex/
At High School Pegasus was in a relationship with a girl from England but she had to return to England. 14 years later a girl appeared at his house who looked exactly like the girl he had the relationship with at high school. Sena went to elementary school at that time. Sena knows the truth from the start but they had to hide he truth from Sena's mother and other people, so that's how we have "Stella the butler". Tenma's and Sena's mother's marriage was an arranged marriage. Tenma didn't know that girl from England was pregnant before she left.
So does that mean
Stella had a relationship with Pegasus in high school, but returned to England pregnant. Pegasus married Sena's mother and had Sena. Stella returned while Sena was at elementary-school age. Stella became the Kashiwazaki butler, while her child is somewhere else.
Edit: Hang on, or do you mean that Stella's mom is the girl from England and Stella showed up at the Kashiwazaki household while Sena was in elementary school? That makes her Sena's half sister.
I was reading the Chinese forums, and there was a lot of speculation about how Haganai would end. One guy said that after reading Haganai Connect he saw something that indicated that Sena was out of the running for sure. I'm trying to identify what that is.
l.kostas
2013-01-27, 12:22
There is a spoiler a few pages before that Stella is Sena's half sister. Stella's father is Pegasus. Stella was 14 years old when she appeared at the Kasiwazaki household. Pegasus didn't cheat on Sena's mother. While he dated Stella's mother while at high school he hadn't met Sena's mother yet.
I can't read Chinese or Japanese, so I used google translate. If you can read Chinese look here at the bottom of this page:
http://book.sfacg.com/novel/8068/MainIndex/
Flere821
2013-01-27, 18:47
I can read Chinese, and basically l.kostas is correct. Though:
Pegasus and Stella's mother was not dating. Pegasus had a reputation as the heir to a rich family to consider, and both him and Stella's mother know they can't be in a relationship. However one day alone their attraction for each other was too much, they had sex, and later on Stella's mother returned to England as she was just a exchange student in Japan. Stella's mother didn't want to abort Stella because she loved Pegasus, ended up as a teenage mother and now can't pursue her dream of becoming an ambassador. She didn't tell Pegasus about her pregnancy either, as she didn't want to burden him. In the end she persevered in starting up a trading company and clawed her way back up to the high class after her family cut her off, and have found a good marriage partner for her by the time Stella met Pegasus.
After meeting Stella, Pegasus offered to officially recognize Stella as his daughter as it was the right thing to do, even if doing so would mean the end of him via his wife's actions. Stella wanted to hate the man that burdened her mother, but like her mother said Pegasus was a good person. Stella stayed as a butler to sort out her feelings and because at age 14 and alone in Japan she's not likely to find a job that can support her.
Sepheria
2013-01-28, 04:37
woah, this volume it's full of interesting happenings, though it's quite a pity that I can read it only with google translator... something it's understandable, but sometimes i had to fill the blank spots with what i thought it could be reasonable
I can read Chinese, and basically l.kostas is correct.
sorry to ask you, but if it wouldn't be too much, could you please tell me what it's happening here? http://book.sfacg.com/Novel/8068/53604/363434/
from what I could understand it seems that Yozora has overheard Kodaka and Rika becoming friends, and so she decided to, uhm, leave (?) I'm not really sure if it's what it exactly happen ( nor chinese nor english is my first language ), but if it is so I guess that the suicide path could really become true...
l.kostas
2013-01-28, 05:45
Google translate doesn't understand that something is a name and not a regular word.
Hawk is Kodaka, Sky is Yozora and science is Rika.
◾Kodaka and Kobato's surname, Hasegawa (羽瀬川) literally means "Shallow River of Feathers"
◾Kodaka's name (小鷹) means "Little Hawk"
◾Her surname, Mikazuki (三日月) means "Cresent Moon" and her given name, Yozora (夜空) means "Night Sky". Put together, and her name means "Cresent Moon in the Night Sky".
◾Rika's given name (理科) means "Science".
frivolity
2013-01-28, 06:28
sorry to ask you, but if it wouldn't be too much, could you please tell me what it's happening here? http://book.sfacg.com/Novel/8068/53604/363434/
from what I could understand it seems that Yozora has overheard Kodaka and Rika becoming friends, and so she decided to, uhm, leave (?) I'm not really sure if it's what it exactly happen ( nor chinese nor english is my first language ), but if it is so I guess that the suicide path could really become true...
That's just about right.
Essentially,
Yozora thought that there was no role left for her, and the person beside Kodaka was no longer her.
I think this could be what the guy in the Chinese forum was referring to when he said that the events in Connect strongly suggest that Sena's out of the running.
Yeah, I'd like to know what exacty happened there too :) Google translate, as always, does a wonderful job at cracking me up every time I use it :D Did Yozora see Kodaka and Rika talking and then leave?
I really, really hope there won't be a suicide path here. I had, ermm... "left" the series for a while and I remembered fondly how much fun it all was, but when I read some of the novel chapters again I remembered just how poignant it was at times (well, a lot actually). When it gets serious, it gets serious. And that's enough serious for me, I really hope that it doesn't become that dark. Though, knowing Yozora and her downward spiral, there's always a possibility...
frivolity
2013-01-28, 06:31
Eh, just to confirm, is the Connect series part of the official timeline or is it a spinoff in terms of being an alternate universe?
Sepheria
2013-01-28, 08:57
Eh, just to confirm, is the Connect series part of the official timeline or is it a spinoff in terms of being an alternate universe?
Official timeline, it's just the story told from different POVs
attobyte
2013-01-28, 15:21
Huh? Are the Light Novels still going?
Hasn't Kodaka said "yes" to Sena's feelings? Now I'm really confused.
Sepheria
2013-01-28, 15:35
Huh? Are the Light Novels still going?
Hasn't Kodaka said "yes" to Sena's feelings? Now I'm really confused.
In the end of the 8th volume we saw that Kodaka was finally ready to tell Sena his answer, so we'll probably know it in the 9th. However, the 9th hasn't been released yet, the volume we're talking about it's Hagani Connect, that it contains basically the same story told from different characters *and also deepenings of their past*
Flere821
2013-01-28, 17:13
sorry to ask you, but if it wouldn't be too much, could you please tell me what it's happening here? http://book.sfacg.com/Novel/8068/53604/363434/
from what I could understand it seems that Yozora has overheard Kodaka and Rika becoming friends, and so she decided to, uhm, leave (?) I'm not really sure if it's what it exactly happen ( nor chinese nor english is my first language ), but if it is so I guess that the suicide path could really become true...
She overheard Rika and Kodaka talking, thought Kodaka doesn't need her as a friend anymore like she needed him, and thought of herself as pitiful. She sent a text to everyone in the club saying she's going on a journey, don't come look for her.
Whoa, the new information from the new Connect are very interesting, especially about Stella. Wonder if she will make more appearance on later volume and will finally have closure...
And I just finally catch up to the latest translated chapter of vol 8. Before I'm not sure which chapter the second season will end, but after reading chapter 4, I think it pretty fits to be last episode material considering the opening scene suggest season 2 will cover until the school festival and the film project.
Though maybe they have to make some adjustment since at that point Kodaka and Rika's interaction doesn't have its closure yet, ending the season with Kodaka's denying their status will leave bad after taste. Perhaps they will skip Kodaka and Rika scene at the rooftop (save it for third season, maybe :heh:), making Rika sick for other reason so she couldn't finish the editing in time, or other original plot leading to the same result with Neighbor Club happily watches the movie just for themselves on their club room at the last day of festival, while the riajuu are partying outside.
honestly now that the second season started airing, I had re-read the whole light novel and watched all the episodes.
Yozora is just pathetic, she is so evil,posessive, manipulative and arrogant with no sign of any humble attitude. I can't see a love flag raised for her at all, during the whole story she did not evolve to be a better human. she still has the same personality and sometimes shows some affectionate sides but those are when Kodaka is with her or she wants to keep Kodaka from the other girls.
As for Sena....her flag was triggered at their first trip to the pool. She might be just as bad as Yozora, in terms of attitude but at least she showed multiple signs of evolution, She can be humble, and lovely and very cute too and then she loses that arrogant aura around her. Her being in love woth Kodaka started when she was scolded at the first "date" and after she began saying those "small lettered" remarks. She confessing is a big step....forward.
Rika....she is a hard case... but she is the closest to a true friend of them all. Her pervy outbursts are just a facade, she is so smart she knows everything, but as you know knowledge is power and she does not want to wield a weapon as strong as that.
Yukimura... no commment... she is like I don't really know... a phantom character....her presence can be felt but ......it is not significant YET.
Kobato.....Clear case of bother complex......
Maria....cute kid... just like a 10 year old.....
And as a conclusion we can draw that except Yozora....All the club members have leveled up....in terms of social interaction.....
I wish i had a club like that....in school...
even i find it almost impossible to find a friend.....
I'm afraid of people....of speaking to them...same problem....as the characters....this is why i can relate to them.....
Having no friends is like a lone tree out in the open in a grade 5 hurricane.(if You're strong you will stand tall...if not....you break)
Confession: for about 10-14 years i have managed alone, but now i feel that i'm breaking under the pressure....i hope i will not do something stupid in the future.
knowing that i have a problem does make me sane or am i already....a lost case?
ultimate_noob
2013-02-01, 05:32
There was this crazy discussion in 2ch a few hours ago about some rumors that the anime staff were foreshadowing things in the OP for this season and the ED of season 1 where Sena was always projected like some kind nun/saint kind of thing on which after they graduated high school that she'll be Maria and Kate's new apprentice nun. Why did she made this choice is resulted in Kodaka's answer to the engagement on the next volume. Crazy if this turn out to be true. I doubt even the anime staff knew the whole story unless the author is working with them season.
relentlessflame
2013-02-01, 09:14
I doubt even the anime staff knew the whole story unless the author is working with them season.Well, the author is working with them this season; he's sharing the story planning credit, and even said he moved to Tokyo so he could work more closely with them. So it is probable that they know what he's thinking.
That being said, I'd take the "foreshadowing" rumour with a giant grain of salt at this point. It could easily be misdirection in multiple directions, and could just as easily mean absolutely nothing.
God I'm gonna be so pissed if the author goes for the Yozora route AND creates whatever excuse to leave Sena out of the run.
I hope there's something better in store for Yozora. A short while after she met Kodaka, things have been going downhill for her (some of it (ok, most of it) is her own fault though). She can't express herself well (more like, at all), unlike Sena, so she can't really do anything. Sena's been more assertive and since all of Yozora's plans backfired on her, the cute blond's been mostly getting her way. If Kodaka answers her feelings and that's it, I'm going to be angry. If things just keep spiraling down for Yozora... it's just not fair! :sad: I just want something good to happen for her. Not necessarily romantic, but just something good, a game changer.
Sepheria
2013-02-01, 12:41
honestly now that the second season started airing, I had re-read the whole light novel and watched all the episodes.
Yozora is just pathetic, she is so evil,posessive, manipulative and arrogant with no sign of any humble attitude.
Sorry, I have got nothing against you, but I would like to take this occasion to point out something that I think a lot of fans don't see.
I mean, ok, I can't deny that Yozora has a bad behavior, but I can't really stand when people truly think she's evil or a bitch.
Of all the members of the club, she's probably the only one who has a real big issue.
*the text is quite deformed, but unfortunately it's the only translation we have*
"The psychological void to fill the eagle disappeared, she made a lot of attempts.
Recall these things alone, the night sky will be depressed to want to roll over the floor, too failed too failed too failed too failed too failed ...
Subsequently, the night sky's the ultimate choice - give up."
We know for sure that Kodaka's departure had an heavy impact on Yozora's life, and furthermore it has been said that Tomo-chan was created after an event that occurred in high school ( now, we have no idea what exactly happened, but I think it's pretty obvious that it was something important )
Moreover, in the latest novel, in the chapter where the protagonist is one of Kobato's classmate, we discover first that Yozora works at a bookstore in the weekends ( though, this could be for different reason, maybe she just want some money for hobbies, maybe she has economical problems, who knows), and second, Yozora's parents are divorced, and the father is not around ( it also seems that she dislikes him ). Another significant thing in the same chapter, is that Yozora has actually a good relationship with this student. Maybe they're not friend, but however she treats him pretty well in my opinion, proof of the fact that if she wants she can actually have a normal relation ( another example is Maria. At the start, like the novel confirmed, she behaved kindly to her, but after having accidently slap Maria she had to change plans, or no one would have give her the permission for the club )
Yozora, until the return of Kodaka, has never wanted another friend or boyfriend. However, when she realized that him ( probably the only person who has ever understood her and of wich she can trust ) could finally come back in her life, she didn't want to lose the opportunity. What really makes her act so bad, it's Kodaka itself. If we were in another situation, she would have probably just ignored all the other girls. Her problem, it's that she thinks that Kodaka it's the only person worthy of her trust, and so, having to live together with the other members of the club, she prefers to stay inside her "shell" and rejects anyone else ( and ironically, the cause of her failure with Kodaka it's the shell itself ).
Ergo, Yozora is probably the only one who truly needs help. Her issue is caused by psychological problems, not pride, evilness or whatever, that they're more like a "mask".
Sorry for the grumble, but seriously, I think that too many people don't see how much sorrow Yozora has to lead. That's true, sometimes she crosses the limit with her action, but having lived similar things I can totally understand her pain and her problems. ( god, I can't believe I spent so much time on this :I )
nah it is okay.. i kinda understand your point too...Sadly i was in her shoes, acting like a dipsh.t..... but i hated myself for being like that.... that is why i kinda dislike her too....
after i graduated from college i began to spiral down as well.....i started drinking and smoking weed (not hardcore but i was drunk at least 6 times/ month)...and my attitude was getting like Yozora's but with a little help from a pair of girls (friends only) i learned to control myself enough so i would not become a scumbag. but i'm still a loner though...
I hope fate holds something for her salvation too...
So thinking about it you are right about it as she created the club only to Kodaka and her but the others had come unwillingly and this put sand in her well oiled plan. this might be a reason for her to push them away....but you know pushing away 3-4 people that care about you in a way or another will backfire as they will fed fed up with her attitude and leave her alone.
But I foresee that this will be avoided by a series of events that will bring her close to everybody....
about Sena becoming a nun......hmmm I hope she will not do that....i have an ominous feeling that Kodaka will reject her. (God i hate when a lovable cute girl gets dumped for no strong reason)...i honestly want them to become a couple...
And as the opening of volume 7 said... they are striving to get friends but they forget it that they have already became a circle of close friends...When will they realize this? good question huh?
off
Boku ha tomodachi ga sukunai....(i have few friends).....i have even less...(zero)....so i envy them...
many people suggest i should change.....ok. i heard it... but how do i start? /off
Dark Faith
2013-02-02, 23:48
Everyone has their emotional baggage as proof that they're alive. I don't know about Yozora's circumstances, but what I know is that she's taking all the wrong steps, which is why a lot of anime viewers (myself included) can't stand her.
Her reasoning's become so warped (creating the club just to have an excuse to hang out with Kodaka, everyone else in there is just an extra...perhaps even a nuisance) that it's impossible that she ever becomes happy unless she changes her outlook on life.
Until she does so... people will continue to view her on a negative light...because honestly, she doesn't seem to have many redeemable qualities. Whatever her issues are, whatever the reason for her to don a mask, I stop feeling pity for her once she starts verbally abusing others, especially Sena.
cyberdemon
2013-02-03, 14:40
Honestly what Yozora needs isn't Kodaka as a lover. At best if he was to become her lover many of us would probably just see it as pity at this point. Nothing would be likely to change if he became her lover and the entire story would really become useless. She would be more likely just to cling to him more closely and shun others even more. If he just remained her friend then it might give her more room to grow. Him going out with Sena may be for the best for Yozora. I'd imagine that at first she would cut herself off completely from anyone, even Kodaka, but he would end up dragging her out as her friend and she would gain much more perspective. So long as she clings to the past, she will never see the future.
btw, how do the Japanese view the triangle. Who do they want more?
evil|plushie
2013-02-03, 21:23
I've said it many times before and I'll say it again. Yozora is messed up and it's probably not Kodaka's fault that she was like that. No matter what you say about how traumatic someone leaving is, she was like 7? 8? when it happened. Children are incredibly resilient at times. More so than most adults. And she was a outgoing friendly person when she met Kodaka. Something else messed her up.
What she needs isn't a romantic relationship. She needs therapy and then platonic relationships.
Miraluka
2013-02-03, 23:28
Well, maybe its her fault, you know, self suggestion... .:uhoh:
Oh, some interesting info there(page 68).
So that means the woman in the illustration isn't Sena's but Stella's mother?? Or am I wrong?
Google translate doesn't understand that something is a name and not a regular word.
Hawk is Kodaka, Sky is Yozora and science is Rika.
◾Kodaka and Kobato's surname, Hasegawa (羽瀬川) literally means "Shallow River of Feathers"
◾Kodaka's name (小鷹) means "Little Hawk"
◾Her surname, Mikazuki (三日月) means "Cresent Moon" and her given name, Yozora (夜空) means "Night Sky". Put together, and her name means "Cresent Moon in the Night Sky".
◾Rika's given name (理科) means "Science".
Add Sena.
" Oak trees in a small peninsula " while Sena means Starlet.
ı hope all of them end up as friends, not lovers and they live different lives after highschool. they would meet as friends many years later and so on. ı am really fed up with all these who he loves, who she loves stuff
finalfury
2013-02-07, 23:48
started searching for a volume 9 release date since its been more than half a year already and I am aware of the author's condition.
found this:
http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/bunkoj/book_detail/988
Volume 9 release date 03/25/2013.
can anyone who knows japanese confirm if this is correct?
cyberdemon
2013-02-08, 00:30
started searching for a volume 9 release date since its been more than half a year already and I am aware of the author's condition.
found this:
http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/bunkoj/book_detail/988
Volume 9 release date 03/25/2013.
can anyone who knows japanese confirm if this is correct?
That is indeed the release date given
Sepheria
2013-02-08, 13:48
started searching for a volume 9 release date since its been more than half a year already and I am aware of the author's condition.
found this:
http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/bunkoj/book_detail/988
Volume 9 release date 03/25/2013.
can anyone who knows japanese confirm if this is correct?
hm, 03/25/2013, if I remember right, it should be also the release date of Buriki's artbook
finalfury
2013-02-08, 15:50
hm, 03/25/2013, if I remember right, it should be also the release date of Buriki's artbook
yes your right about that. now im not sure if the link was for volume 9 or the artbook:confused:
cyberdemon
2013-02-08, 17:24
yes your right about that. now im not sure if the link was for volume 9 or the artbook:confused:
it's labeled Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai 9
relentlessflame
2013-02-09, 05:28
it's labeled Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai 9
And the subtitle is simply: "Yozora Mikazuki's... counterattack...?"
finalfury
2013-02-09, 07:59
I can see that based off the subtitle open that this volume will be quickly translated into Chinese. There's no way that the Sena fandom will sit back after hearing "Yozora Mizuki's... counterattack...?"
I look forward to seeing what happens in volume 9.
l.kostas
2013-02-10, 15:08
The amazon page about the artbook:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4840149313?ie=UTF8&at=&force-full-site=1&lc=plm&ref_=aw_bottom_links
Haganai Universe volume 2. The release date is February 25:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%83%95%E3%81%AF%E5%8F%8B%E9%81%94%E3%81%8C%E5%B 0%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-%E3%82%86%E3%81%AB%E3%81%B0%E3%83%BC%E3%81%992-MF%E6%96%87%E5%BA%ABJ-%E5%B9%B3%E5%9D%82%E8%AA%AD/dp/4840149828/ref=pd_sim_b_1
cyberdemon
2013-02-11, 10:12
I can see that based off the subtitle open that this volume will be quickly translated into Chinese. There's no way that the Sena fandom will sit back after hearing "Yozora Mizuki's... counterattack...?"
I look forward to seeing what happens in volume 9.
Maybe the counter attack is because Kodaka agreed to go out with Sena.
Sumeragi
2013-02-11, 10:16
I doubt Kodaka would accept, given that he doesn't even recognize he has friends already. Most likely the counterattack will be Yozora trying to appeal to Kodaka after learning of the confession.
The counterattack will be Yozora returning to the club.
Somethindarker
2013-02-12, 10:01
I doubt Kodaka would accept, given that he doesn't even recognize he has friends already. Most likely the counterattack will be Yozora trying to appeal to Kodaka after learning of the confession.
There's a difference between him refuses to acknowledge it(and he does) and him not knowing. Kodaka isn't stupid he knows that they all are already friends(as does Rika), as I'm sure the rest of the group does as well, he just is afraid of change and doesn't want to jeopardize what he has.
edit; The real question now is what's going to happen now that Sena has confessed. Will he reciprocate? How long will they go out before it, and it will happen, end? Personally I think Sena and Kodaka will date for a while before they break up, drama drama drama, Yozora swoops on Kodaka, drama drama drama, Yozora realizes she just wants to be friends with him and Sena will get Kodaka in the end. But that's just my opinion.
Sumeragi
2013-02-12, 10:02
I believe I have stated the obvious.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-02-12, 10:37
There's a difference between him refuses to acknowledge it(and he does) and him not knowing. Kodaka isn't stupid he knows that they all are already friends(as does Rika), as I'm sure the rest of the group does as well, he just is afraid of change and doesn't want to jeopardize what he has.
edit; The real question now is what's going to happen now that Sena has confessed. Will he reciprocate? How long will they go out before it, and it will happen, end? Personally I think Sena and Kodaka will date for a while before they break up, drama drama drama, Yozora swoops on Kodaka, drama drama drama, Yozora realizes she just wants to be friends with him and Sena will get Kodaka in the end. But that's just my opinion.
I dont know, if Kodaka can't even admit it that they're friends, how can he so easily jump into a romantic relationship? Thats an even bigger deal than friendship.
I think he is going to turn her down.
Somethindarker
2013-02-12, 10:41
I dont know, if Kodaka can't even admit it that they're friends, how can he so easily jump into a romantic relationship? Thats an even bigger deal than frindship.
haven't finished volume 8 so i don't know his reaction, all i've gathered is that there was a confession from sena to kodaka and that rika and kodaka are now friends. i was merely speculating what volume 9 has in store.
l.kostas
2013-02-12, 16:11
I saw a translation from google translate. That scene with Sena is at the end of the chapter Dancing Mad, the second from where the translation is right now. The next chapter is about Yusa Aoi. When Sena sees her in the club room she asks "who are you?", Yusa says I'm your classmate! Seat number 33! Sena: I think I have seen you somewhere.
I'm not sure if all of this deserves a spoiler, but if you feel really well-rounded about your Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai information and you feel like you won't get spoiled, then read on!
Yeah I know.. Sena is "the ideal girlfriend for all otakus".. But c'mon.. Have you heard about the whole arranged marriage thing between Sena and Kodaka? Apparently it was decided long ago. Kodaka said he didn't take it seriously but that can easily change if he develops feelings for Sena.. that is so cheap. Pairing up 2 characters in a series as popular as Haganai/Boku Wa Tomodachi just because it was pre-determined is completely and utterly retarded. Plus, having a cool type character like Yozora tossed to the side in the end doesn't really feel right. I just can't see it happening. I mean.. look at what Yozora has been through:
10 years later. She reunites with the guy. She now looks completely different, and the guy obviously doesn't recognizes her. Heck, he might not even remember their time together. She was frozen in fear. If he indeed not remember her, then all her memories with him in the past are now worthless. Her only 'BFF' turns out to be not so forever after all.
But all these changed in the classroom scene.
So she has a plan. What if she can reproduce the condition that led them together 10 years ago? It shouldn't be hard at all. She knows that Kodaka is still as crowd-aversive as before. They can't be fight buddies anymore. But what they can do is, instead of fighting other people together, she can proposes that they can befriend other people together. Hopefully this can recreate the condition that led to their friendship. However, I don't believe she wants this friendship.
Why didn't Yozora just tell Kodaka 'hey we were friends, remember?' This is because Yozora loves Kodaka. It's because she wants Kodaka to fall in love with her, not because of their past relation, but because of her current girl self. She wants him to fall in love with the now her.
The plan would have worked too, if other people didn't join. Do you honestly expect me to believe that this huge chunk of plot was for shit? Just to toss away for the "arranged marriage"/"Ideal otaku" scene Kodaka and Sena had in the middle of the series. Yeah right. Sena had just jumped into the race for Kodaka with her cheap "arranged marriage" card. I don't mind her presenting a challenge but it would just be complete and utter bull**** for her to win.
Also, it seems that if Sena were to win, it would just be too "perfect". Look at it this way:
Sena and Kodaka meet.
Club activities happen... blah blah.
Marriage ordeal.
She confesses.
He eventually returns her feelings.
That would be a pretty straight-forward story if you ask me. Yozora and Kodaka have the history with each other in order to have a relationship. Also, when Sena is always playing eroge games, she always seems to hit a bad ending despite doing everything she possibly could. Rika said something along the lines of "Missing one flag could cause you to lose the game." I believe this could be foreshadowing for Sena's failure to get Kodaka. Not only this, but Kodaka seems to fantasize more about Yozora than Sena. For example, when all of them were at the festival together (before Yozora cut her hair), Kodaka noted how she would look good in a yukata.
Also, Sena seems to be more of a static character. Despite her falling in love with Kodaka, she seems to be lacking the characteristics of a dynamic character like Yozora.
Another OBVIOUS reason for a Kodaka/Yozora ending would be the Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai+ manga. In this manga, Sena and Yozora switch places and Sena ends up with Kodaka in the end. Being an alternate version, this emphasizes how Yozora should end up with Kodaka in the main version.
One last thing. Yozora is the first main heroine to be observed by Kodaka, and he actually thinks about who she is as well as directly characterizing her (if you guys get what I'm saying). Basically, Kodaka notices her more than Sena at the beginning, as well as forming that "canon-like" feeling. Where as with Sena, she just kind of appears when the two start the club and static-ly develops feelings for Kodaka.
If more comes to my mind, I shall edit or post again if necessary.
Also, this is my first post so hi! :P
Note: Parts of this opinion is cited from other fans of Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai
frivolity
2013-02-12, 23:17
^All of that is basically personal opinion without any substantiation from the text. Just as you consider it "retarded" and "utter bull****" for Sena to win, many others could say the same about Yozora. I would suggest that you refrain from character bashing if you want your posts to be taken seriously.
Sumeragi
2013-02-12, 23:27
I'll say one simple thing that destroys the above theory: Both Taka and Sora have changed drastically from the past.
Somethindarker
2013-02-13, 08:47
I'm not sure if all of this deserves a spoiler, but if you feel really well-rounded about your Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai information and you feel like you won't get spoiled, then read on!
[SPOILER="May contain spoiler stuff"]Yeah I know.. Sena is "the ideal girlfriend for all otakus".. But c'mon.. Have you heard about the whole arranged marriage thing between Sena and Kodaka? Apparently it was decided long ago. Kodaka said he didn't take it seriously but that can easily change if he develops feelings for Sena.. that is so cheap. Pairing up 2 characters in a series as popular as Haganai/Boku Wa Tomodachi just because it was pre-determined is completely and utterly retarded. Plus, having a cool type character like Yozora tossed to the side in the end doesn't really feel right. I just can't see it happening. I mean.. look at what Yozora has been through:
10 years later. She reunites with the guy. She now looks completely different, and the guy obviously doesn't recognizes her. Heck, he might not even remember their time together. She was frozen in fear. If he indeed not remember her, then all her memories with him in the past are now worthless. Her only 'BFF' turns out to be not so forever after all.
But all these changed in the classroom scene.
So she has a plan. What if she can reproduce the condition that led them together 10 years ago? It shouldn't be hard at all. She knows that Kodaka is still as crowd-aversive as before. They can't be fight buddies anymore. But what they can do is, instead of fighting other people together, she can proposes that they can befriend other people together. Hopefully this can recreate the condition that led to their friendship. However, I don't believe she wants this friendship.
Why didn't Yozora just tell Kodaka 'hey we were friends, remember?' This is because Yozora loves Kodaka. It's because she wants Kodaka to fall in love with her, not because of their past relation, but because of her current girl self. She wants him to fall in love with the now her.
The plan would have worked too, if other people didn't join. Do you honestly expect me to believe that this huge chunk of plot was for shit? Just to toss away for the "arranged marriage"/"Ideal otaku" scene Kodaka and Sena had in the middle of the series. Yeah right. Sena had just jumped into the race for Kodaka with her cheap "arranged marriage" card. I don't mind her presenting a challenge but it would just be complete and utter bull**** for her to win.
Also, it seems that if Sena were to win, it would just be too "perfect". Look at it this way:
Sena and Kodaka meet.
Club activities happen... blah blah.
Marriage ordeal.
She confesses.
He eventually returns her feelings.
That would be a pretty straight-forward story if you ask me. Yozora and Kodaka have the history with each other in order to have a relationship. Also, when Sena is always playing eroge games, she always seems to hit a bad ending despite doing everything she possibly could. Rika said something along the lines of "Missing one flag could cause you to lose the game." I believe this could be foreshadowing for Sena's failure to get Kodaka. Not only this, but Kodaka seems to fantasize more about Yozora than Sena. For example, when all of them were at the festival together (before Yozora cut her hair), Kodaka noted how she would look good in a yukata.
Also, Sena seems to be more of a static character. Despite her falling in love with Kodaka, she seems to be lacking the characteristics of a dynamic character like Yozora.
Another OBVIOUS reason for a Kodaka/Yozora ending would be the Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai+ manga. In this manga, Sena and Yozora switch places and Sena ends up with Kodaka in the end. Being an alternate version, this emphasizes how Yozora should end up with Kodaka in the main version.
One last thing. Yozora is the first main heroine to be observed by Kodaka, and he actually thinks about who she is as well as directly characterizing her (if you guys get what I'm saying). Basically, Kodaka notices her more than Sena at the beginning, as well as forming that "canon-like" feeling. Where as with Sena, she just kind of appears when the two start the club and static-ly develops feelings for Kodaka.
If more comes to my mind, I shall edit or post again if necessary.
Also, this is my first post so hi! :P
Note: Parts of this opinion is cited from other fans of Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai
as soon as he said "ideal otaku girlfriend" this post became invalid. yozora fits the more popular role of winning in the end look up most of the finished harem comedies and the winner will be the yozora archetype. sena being static? that is a laughable claim, she has much more depth to her character than this guy gives her credit for. yozora is the static character, she hasn't changed since the beginning she is still the bitter, mean and the stand offish character she started out with. sena has become friendlier and less egotistical to everyone around her she actually cares about people other than herself. sure i still think yozora will win in the end, from a harem rule perspective, but THATS what i find as bullshit pandering to the largest common denominator. all in all it's up the the author and all these opinions and character dissections are useless.
Sumeragi
2013-02-13, 08:55
More importantly, why does Kodaka have to end up with someone? That's not a requirement especially given Kodaka's situation.
Somethindarker
2013-02-13, 08:58
More importantly, why does Kodaka have to end up with someone? That's not a requirement especially given Kodaka's situation.
if it were up to me i'd date maybe 1 or 2 of the girls but in the end i'd stay friends with all of them. my perfect end would be kodaka already in college maybe with sena and yozora and them having loads of friends having fun.
Is it known how many more Volumes there are going to be released?
BlazeHero
2013-02-13, 17:50
More importantly, why does Kodaka have to end up with someone? That's not a requirement especially given Kodaka's situation.
My sentiments exactly. Why can't the series just end with them realizing they are all friends?
Then again, that is never going to happen since it's clear both Yozora and Sena see Kodaka as more than just a friend.
Offnote, dammit just make Maria and Kobato friends already, sick of the fighting, they would make a great tag team, make it so!!!
finalfury
2013-02-13, 18:06
What I want is for Yozora to become Kobato's role model instead of the anime character after Yozora sorts out her own problems; i mean who else in the cast can go along with her chuunibyou antics?
Since the story's beginning/first/original theme was making friends or something like that; I feel that the romance in the story was originally made to appeal to shippers, so I'll go with no one as the end girl but then the fanbase will go a riot for sure if there's no end girl.
frivolity
2013-02-13, 18:51
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Since the story's beginning/first/original theme was making friends or something like that; I feel that the romance in the story was originally made to appeal to shippers, so I'll go with no one as the end girl but then the fanbase will go a riot for sure if there's no end girl.
I got that feeling too, both in Haganai and OreImo. It was as if Sena and Kuroneko's massive popularity took the authors by surprise, and both authors decided to take a detour from their original plans in order to increase sales. This practice is understandable and fairly common in manga and light novels, and I don't have a problem with that.
What I find bad practice, however, is if the author still attempts to stick to the original storyline even though it is clear that the slight detour had unintentionally changed the entire flow of the story. Authors are often a stubborn lot, and I dislike the practice of forcing the story back to its original route instead of letting it flow accordingly. Ichigo 100% is one of the few stories I know of where the mangaka allowed the story to take its course after it started to deviate from her original intentions.
finalfury
2013-02-13, 19:30
I'm personally hoping for some good Yozora character development. She's starting to show some good positive changes but the ending of the 8th novel may help that development or screw it up.
Sumeragi
2013-02-13, 19:39
My personal wish: Kodaka's rejection shakes up Sena, leading to further development of the ambiguously lesbian duo.
as soon as he said "ideal otaku girlfriend" this post became invalid. yozora fits the more popular role of winning in the end look up most of the finished harem comedies and the winner will be the yozora archetype. sena being static? that is a laughable claim, she has much more depth to her character than this guy gives her credit for. yozora is the static character, she hasn't changed since the beginning she is still the bitter, mean and the stand offish character she started out with. sena has become friendlier and less egotistical to everyone around her she actually cares about people other than herself. sure i still think yozora will win in the end, from a harem rule perspective, but THATS what i find as bullshit pandering to the largest common denominator. all in all it's up the the author and all these opinions and character dissections are useless.
Sure, Sena DOES deserve some credit. However, compared to Yozora, Sena hasn't changed much. Frankly, Yozora is very dynamic. Yozora appears to be static because the author doesn't physically characterizes her as static. Meaning, Sena is described as becoming more friendly and such. However, through Yozora's thoughts and actions (based on appearance/reactions) she is actually very dynamic. Basically, the author makes Yozora a subtle dynamic character.
Somethindarker
2013-02-14, 08:33
Sure, Sena DOES deserve some credit. However, compared to Yozora, Sena hasn't changed much. Frankly, Yozora is very dynamic. Yozora appears to be static because the author doesn't physically characterizes her as static. Meaning, Sena is described as becoming more friendly and such. However, through Yozora's thoughts and actions (based on appearance/reactions) she is actually very dynamic. Basically, the author makes Yozora a subtle dynamic character.
please explain, because for me she's hardly changed at all. don't get me wrong i'm not denying her character hasn't changed but to me she still has trouble expressing herself whereas sena doesn't hold herself to a higher standard as much as she used to, yozora still in introverted and manipulative.
please explain, because for me she's hardly changed at all. don't get me wrong i'm not denying her character hasn't changed but to me she still has trouble expressing herself whereas sena doesn't hold herself to a higher standard as much as she used to, yozora still in introverted and manipulative.
It's very hard to explain due to the language, and if you are not familiar with LNs in general.
Yozora's 'reveals' does not come from her actions, but from other character's observations - mostly Kodaka and sometimes Rika.
In a way Yozora's almost like a pet project of the author - eg character's will comment about Yozora when she's not even around (where the comment comes out of the blue)
You are confusing 'development' in terms of actions with development as a form of character building - whether it comes directly from a character's action, or from an observer's point of view (mind you, observers can be mistaken, too)
Let's put it this way, if you think Sena has 'developed' in the sense got less narcissistic, it's only because she's treating Kodaka better and you are viewing her character from Kodaka's perspective. But at the same time, are you judging Yozora based on her actions against Kodaka? She likes to tease Kodaka but can hardly be considered manipulative.
No one has developed in the sense their 'flaw's become less prominent. Instead, characters get developed as their 'good qualities' get further reinforced. In that regard, Yozora is somewhat more dynamic (or ambiguous), whereas Sena has mostly been fleshed out.
There's strong hints that story will either go Yozora way or harem way - in itself not necessarily a good thing as it get predictable. It's like in a typical mystery novel, the character that just so conveniently appears like the culprit, is almost always not. Or the story would ended right there. Same with a romantic comedy with the expected twists and turns, structurally speaking, Sena's the stimulant, but probably not the goal.
cyberdemon
2013-02-14, 18:26
It's very hard to explain due to the language, and if you are not familiar with LNs in general.
Yozora's 'reveals' does not come from her actions, but from other character's observations - mostly Kodaka and sometimes Rika.
In a way Yozora's almost like a pet project of the author - eg character's will comment about Yozora when she's not even around (where the comment comes out of the blue)
You are confusing 'development' in terms of actions with development as a form of character building - whether it comes directly from a character's action, or from an observer's point of view (mind you, observers can be mistaken, too)
Let's put it this way, if you think Sena has 'developed' in the sense got less narcissistic, it's only because she's treating Kodaka better and you are viewing her character from Kodaka's perspective. But at the same time, are you judging Yozora based on her actions against Kodaka? She likes to tease Kodaka but can hardly be considered manipulative.
No one has developed in the sense their 'flaw's become less prominent. Instead, characters get developed as their 'good qualities' get further reinforced. In that regard, Yozora is somewhat more dynamic (or ambiguous), whereas Sena has mostly been fleshed out.
There's strong hints that story will either go Yozora way or harem way - in itself not necessarily a good thing as it get predictable. It's like in a typical mystery novel, the character that just so conveniently appears like the culprit, is almost always not. Or the story would ended right there. Same with a romantic comedy with the expected twists and turns, structurally speaking, Sena's the stimulant, but probably not the goal.
I don't possibly see how Yozora could end up the final girl. I actually see it as being bad for her if she won Kodaka and that currently it would just seem more out of nowhere.
frivolity
2013-02-14, 18:41
If we're going to construe characters as being "dynamic" in the sense that they're "ambiguous", then that in my opinion is the complete opposite of the way that the word was being used previously. The discussion was about the Sena-bashing as a static character precisely in the sense that she had not been developed, or at least not developed well, as opposed to whether or not her character has been fleshed out. And even if Yozora's supposed development is more subtle than Sena's, why should it imply that Sena is a more static character?
I agree that Yozora is the most likely candidate for the end girl at this point. All the clues and tropes are going in her favour, even things as simple as her being the only girl on the cover of the first volume. The Chinese LN forums are pointing out similar tropes, such as whether the first girl to confess is most likely going to lose. Ironically, this is exactly what Xzotic is complaining about - "Pairing up 2 characters in a series as popular as Haganai/Boku Wa Tomodachi just because it was pre-determined is completely and utterly retarded."
My personal wish: Kodaka's rejection shakes up Sena, leading to further development of the ambiguously lesbian duo.
I see. So, that's the reason why you said that about Kodaka would have to end up with someone :heh:
JamJackEvo
2013-02-16, 10:05
Yozora is a little complicated for me, but my opinion about her character is that she's dangling the line between a friend who loves to tease and a bully, considering how she detests being compared to the latter implies that she had bad past experiences with that group, which subsequently makes her unable to open up to anyone.
What makes her complicated for me is the way her character was brought up and the implications already made in the light novels. I think of her as a person who tried to make friends, but either from bad decisions or just plain bad luck kept her from attaining any throughout the period between losing and reuniting with her best and only childhood friend, Kodaka. It's plain to see that things almost never go her way, what with (love) rivals competing for Kodaka's attention and all.
I'm already suspecting that whatever comeback plan Yozora has in store in Volume 9 will end in disaster as well. But then again, this might also be the volume wherein her luck takes a turn for the better and she makes progress somehow.
With that said, Yozora still isn't outdone by the others just yet. But I'm still rooting for Sena.
Somethindarker
2013-02-17, 02:52
Yozora is a little complicated for me, but my opinion about her character is that she's dangling the line between a friend who loves to tease and a bully, considering how she detests being compared to the latter implies that she had bad past experiences with that group, which subsequently makes her unable to open up to anyone.
What makes her complicated for me is the way her character was brought up and the implications already made in the light novels. I think of her as a person who tried to make friends, but either from bad decisions or just plain bad luck kept her from attaining any throughout the period between losing and reuniting with her best and only childhood friend, Kodaka. It's plain to see that things almost never go her way, what with (love) rivals competing for Kodaka's attention and all.
I'm already suspecting that whatever comeback plan Yozora has in store in Volume 9 will end in disaster as well. But then again, this might also be the volume wherein her luck takes a turn for the better and she makes progress somehow.
With that said, Yozora still isn't outdone by the others just yet. But I'm still rooting for Sena.
imo the 3 girls with the highest probability of ending with kodaka are.
sena- arranged marriage, has had probably the most pairing related development by far(double edged sword), coolest character for a dad, probably the most popular girl in the series with the fans and is actively pursuing a relationship with kodaka.
yozora- all the cookie cutter stereotypes for winning, forced pity development, has been actively pursuing kodaka since the absolute beginning and has the least amount of background info on her. which leads me to believe the author is saving that til the end so yozoraxkodaka doesn't feel as forced.
rika- kodaka finds her in his "strike zone", rika understands kodaka the most and out of all the girls was willing to friend zone herself just for him which for some reason, in the back of my mind, i want this to have a toradora! like ending with rikaxkodaka
frivolity
2013-02-17, 04:06
Without a doubt, Volume 9 is the crucial point in the story that will most likely determine who wins in the end, if anyone. It could serve as a turning point or the nail in the coffin, but the title strongly hints that it will be the former.
Another important factor would be how much of the story is left, because the longer it goes, the more it favours the characters that have more room to develop. Overall, as much as I hate to say it, all of these are pointing to a Yozora end.
Without a doubt, Volume 9 is the crucial point in the story that will most likely determine who wins in the end, if anyone. It could serve as a turning point or the nail in the coffin, but the title strongly hints that it will be the former.
Another important factor would be how much of the story is left, because the longer it goes, the more it favours the characters that have more room to develop. Overall, as much as I hate to say it, all of these are pointing to a Yozora end.
IIRC the author said the ´prologue´ ended in volume 8, so I think he plans to milk this series for awhile.
frivolity
2013-02-17, 08:50
IIRC the author said the ´prologue´ ended in volume 8, so I think he plans to milk this series for awhile.
:mad: :upset:
If that's the case, then hopefully the series takes so long to pan out that I'd have moved on to other stuff by then and stopped caring whether Sena wins or loses :frustrated:
Chaos2Frozen
2013-02-17, 08:52
:mad: :upset:
If that's the case, then hopefully the series takes so long to pan out that I'd have moved on to other stuff by then and stopped caring whether Sena wins or loses :frustrated:
Erm yeah... I tried that with a couple of series- That'll never work :uhoh:
errr...that's typical with LNs. They can face the chop any time so..
End each volume with a cliffhanger
Proceed with some twist to nullify the aforementioned cliffhanger
Milk as much as possible (especially for an author's first real commercial success)
Not to say the above cannot be done with a bit of class of course.
mironicus
2013-02-17, 12:57
imo the 3 girls with the highest probability of ending with kodaka are.
sena- arranged marriage, has had probably the most pairing related development by far(double edged sword), coolest character for a dad, probably the most popular girl in the series with the fans and is actively pursuing a relationship with kodaka.
yozora- all the cookie cutter stereotypes for winning, forced pity development, has been actively pursuing kodaka since the absolute beginning and has the least amount of background info on her. which leads me to believe the author is saving that til the end so yozoraxkodaka doesn't feel as forced.
rika- kodaka finds her in his "strike zone", rika understands kodaka the most and out of all the girls was willing to friend zone herself just for him which for some reason, in the back of my mind, i want this to have a toradora! like ending with rikaxkodaka
It depends on Kodaka's decision. But see for yourself if you read the following line.
"It's not good to judge something based on how it looks. If you are going to reject it, do so after you've seen what's inside. Judging things based on looks alone... that's just cruel!" - Kodaka (2nd episode of Haganai Next).
After 6 months he actually really can tell what's "inside" the girls, don't you think...? ;)
He knows what he can expect if he starts a relationship with one of the girls.
Sumeragi
2013-02-17, 13:29
Exactly why we all know how Kodaka will respond. The fallout will be glorious.
cyberdemon
2013-02-17, 15:15
Yozora is a little complicated for me, but my opinion about her character is that she's dangling the line between a friend who loves to tease and a bully, considering how she detests being compared to the latter implies that she had bad past experiences with that group, which subsequently makes her unable to open up to anyone.
What makes her complicated for me is the way her character was brought up and the implications already made in the light novels. I think of her as a person who tried to make friends, but either from bad decisions or just plain bad luck kept her from attaining any throughout the period between losing and reuniting with her best and only childhood friend, Kodaka. It's plain to see that things almost never go her way, what with (love) rivals competing for Kodaka's attention and all.
I'm already suspecting that whatever comeback plan Yozora has in store in Volume 9 will end in disaster as well. But then again, this might also be the volume wherein her luck takes a turn for the better and she makes progress somehow.
With that said, Yozora still isn't outdone by the others just yet. But I'm still rooting for Sena.
Personally I'd like to see Kodaka go out with Sena. It may also be for best for Yozora as well. She clings too much to the past. She places all her eggs in the basket known as Kodaka. She simply doesn't care about getting close to the others.
If Kodaka was to go out with Sena then while Yozora will probably hit rock bottom at first. Depending on the actions of Kodaka and the other she could recement the friendship she used to have with Kodaka, the friendship she so desired to have back, and possibly open herself more to the friendship of the others.
yozora- all the cookie cutter stereotypes for winning, forced pity development, has been actively pursuing kodaka since the absolute beginning and has the least amount of background info on her. which leads me to believe the author is saving that til the end so yozoraxkodaka doesn't feel as forced.
simply saving it for the end is what makes it forced. As it is the story seems to be heading towards the end. development isn't something you can shove in the last volume or 2. It needs to truly be built up from the beginning. Yozora is too impassive and shuns others. I think a better development for her based on this is for her to think she lost everything only for Kodaka and the others to make her realize that she does have friends and is not alone even if Kodaka ends with another girl. That seems something more in line with her portrayal.
Here's how I see things going:
-Kodaka decides to go out with Sena.
-Yozora finds out and is crushed. she felt like she lost her only friend.
-Yozora starts distancing herself from the others and the club. Maybe even possibly stops coming to school.
-Kodaka tries talking to her but it doesn't help.
-Eventually Kodaka and the other girls pull Yozora out of her shell.
-Yozora ends up realizing that more than just Kodaka, she had many more friends who cared about her.
This way while Sena may get the guy, Yozora truly changes for the better.
Rising Dragon
2013-02-17, 15:24
If Kodaka was to go out with Sena then while Yozora will probably hit rock bottom at first. Depending on the actions of Kodaka and the other she could recement the friendship she used to have with Kodaka, the friendship she so desired to have back, and possibly open herself more to the friendship of the others.
Brings to mind that one saying, "Get along with your friend's girlfriend/boyfriend, unless you want to lose that friend."
cyberdemon
2013-02-17, 15:37
Brings to mind that one saying, "Get along with your friend's girlfriend/boyfriend, unless you want to lose that friend."
Exactly. Yozora needs to realize that she actually has more friends beyond Kodaka. Even if she manages to win Kodaka over Sena, there would be no benefit for Yozora when it comes to a story that is all about friendship. At this point a win for Yozora would seem more like pity to most fans as well. She potentionally has more to gain by losing than she does by winning.
Sumeragi
2013-02-17, 16:31
As it is the story seems to be heading towards the end.
You missed the part where everything up until now as the prologue.
cyberdemon
2013-02-17, 16:37
You missed the part where everything up until now as the prologue.
Wasn't paying attention to that lol. Though I guess a lot of it depends what the main part is about. My guess it's all about the consequences of his answer to Sena which makes me think that he will say yes to her. The big question though is how long the main part is going to be.
Sumeragi
2013-02-17, 16:42
I'll probably be laughing at all the Sena fans when the next volume comes around.
cyberdemon
2013-02-17, 16:45
I'll probably be laughing at all the Sena fans when the next volume comes around.
It will be really lame though if he instead just randomly gets together with Yozora instead in the next volume.
finalfury
2013-02-17, 16:47
Yozora has gained, ironically since this deviates from her initial/true reason for establishing the club, friends which was the true purpose of the club unless volume 1 means nothing anymore.
The interesting thing to note is Rika's words towards the end of the eight novel which illustrates the hidden truth in a matter of speaking.
I can see that both Kodaka and Yozora have, in a way, the same problem: they don't want change. Kodaka doesn't want to let go of the present and Yozora doesn't want to let go of the past.
Once they both realize the fact that they have friends, they can start moving towards the future/change i think.
P.S. Is it just me or have recent developments implied that Rika hates Sena?
It's the same feeling every girl has for Sena - she just has it too easy, with everything going her way. Jealousy of the damned meat is normal :)
Why are all these people fearful about some 'abrupt' change? Has the author's writing thus far indicated this a possiblity? Is the series not going that well financially that it may get the chop soon? No one has indicated how many more volumnes the series will go for, therefore there are plenty of developments yet to come.
And LOL for reading into Kodaka's insight as proof of his intent. His insight comes from his job description as the narrator in the LN. A door knob will have the same insight has it been designated the same role.
finalfury
2013-02-17, 19:43
It's the same feeling every girl has for Sena - she just has it too easy, with everything going her way. Jealousy of the damned meat is normal :)
Why are all these people fearful about some 'abrupt' change? Has the author's writing thus far indicated this a possiblity? Is the series not going that well financially that it may get the chop soon? No one has indicated how many more volumnes the series will go for, therefore there are plenty of developments yet to come.
And LOL for reading into Kodaka's insight as proof of his intent. His insight comes from his job description as the narrator in the LN. A door knob will have the same insight has it been designated the same role.
If you dont mind me asking, do you believe that out of the two main heroines, Yozora has the better chance of making friends with the club than Sena does?
In my eyes, Sena's personality pretty much hasn't changed after the first volume, but its highly likely that the change in her interactions with Kodaka and the focus on that perspective as well as her being on the receiving end of Yozora's "abuse" helped to gather the now dubbed "Sena fanbase".
Sumeragi
2013-02-17, 19:45
It will be really lame though if he instead just randomly gets together with Yozora instead in the next chapter.
And why do you think that would happen? This isn't some black or white situation.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-02-17, 19:50
I'll still stand by what I've said before- If Kodaka doesn't even have the courage to accept that they are all friends in fear of ruining what they currently have, then what makes people think that he's suddenly have the confidence to enter a relationship with anyone?
And even, EVEN if he does, with this story being what it is, do you think it would last long?
Sena hasn't changed nor did Yozora. Well how do people change anyway? 180? Or just occassionally do things you don't expect them to do? Within the club, Yozora is the more approachable however she does not consider anyone else other than Kodaka as a potential friend.
The problem with Sena, as a few other as alluded to already, is she doesn't care for anything she doesn't like. Doesn't pay attention, doesn't care, nada. Others might as well be invisible. So whilst she wants to have female friends, a pre-requisite is she has to pick you as a friend. It's a bit like chicken and egg question, and so far only Yozora fits that mould as someone she constantly seeks attention from.
Plot points aside, there has been less new character reveals about Sena, that's for sure.
For the fanbase, it could partly people tends to view shows from the perspecive of the MC. I don't mind them discussing the nuances of each character but you do tend to have more Sena fans who can't read any subtlety which makes it hard to even start a discussion.
Unlike the LN anime skipped a lot of tsukkomi dialogue from Kodaka which touches on his impression of Sena. Basically a mixture of admiration (of her forthrightness/earnesty), disgust and pity. Similarly with Yozora it is mostly pity and the occasional appreciation of sharpness and alarmed at some other parts.
finalfury
2013-02-17, 20:47
Sena hasn't changed nor did Yozora. Well how do people change anyway? 180? Or just occassionally do things you don't expect them to do? Within the club, Yozora is the more approachable however she does not consider anyone else other than Kodaka as a potential friend.
The problem with Sena, as a few other as alluded to already, is she doesn't care for anything she doesn't like. Doesn't pay attention, doesn't care, nada. Others might as well be invisible. So whilst she wants to have female friends, a pre-requisite is she has to pick you as a friend. It's a bit like chicken and egg question, and so far only Yozora fits that mould as someone she constantly seeks attention from.
Plot points aside, there has been less new character reveals about Sena, that's for sure.
For the fanbase, it could partly people tends to view shows from the perspecive of the MC. I don't mind them discussing the nuances of each character but you do tend to have more Sena fans who can't read any subtlety which makes it hard to even start a discussion.
Unlike the LN anime skipped a lot of tsukkomi dialogue from Kodaka which touches on his impression of Sena. Basically a mixture of admiration (of her forthrightness/earnesty), disgust and pity. Similarly with Yozora it is mostly pity and the occasional appreciation of sharpness and alarmed at some other parts.
Surprisingly,when Yozora says something along the lines of "There's no meaning if the seven of us don't watch it together" to Kodaka, it gives me hope that despite her "angst"/depression, she won't stay that way for much longer and she may open up to the idea that she can make friends with other people besides Kodaka.
frivolity
2013-02-17, 23:11
To be honest, I personally don't even know why I like certain characters, much less why the general fanbase likes what they like. Between Sena, Kuroneko, Mashiro (Nanami), Himeko, or even Charlotte Dunois (Rin), I wouldn't be able to predict who becomes the popularity queen (my own preferences in brackets) just by reading the story beforehand.
Looking at the content of what's in the story alone, without considering extraneous factors such as commercial considerations, all the girls in Haganai still have a decent and somewhat equal chance. Volume 9 is probably the one that will start shaking things up.
evil|plushie
2013-02-18, 02:09
Sena hasn't changed nor did Yozora. Well how do people change anyway? 180? Or just occassionally do things you don't expect them to do? Within the club, Yozora is the more approachable however she does not consider anyone else other than Kodaka as a potential friend.
The problem with Sena, as a few other as alluded to already, is she doesn't care for anything she doesn't like. Doesn't pay attention, doesn't care, nada. Others might as well be invisible. So whilst she wants to have female friends, a pre-requisite is she has to pick you as a friend. It's a bit like chicken and egg question, and so far only Yozora fits that mould as someone she constantly seeks attention from.
Not...sure how this is different from normal people... Do you go around making friends with people you don't want to be friends with?
One of the posts made me think that, in some weird way, while all the club members have become friends, it's not the same for Yozora and Sena.
While Yozora created the club to get close to Kodaka and Sena joined it to actually gain friends, it turned out the other way around. Sena is now closer to Kodaka, but Yozora has a better relationship with everyone else. Yes, I know they're all friends, but... Yozora has a great relationship with Rika, Yukimura respects her (I think it works both ways here, and I think I remember reading somewhere that Yozora has a hard time saying "no" to Yukimura :heh: ), Kobato also respects and likes her, since she's sort of the "dark one", Maria... Ok, I won't say anything about that. And, well, everyone seems to find Sena a bit... annoying. I'm not saying she doesn't bring anything to the group, she does, and a lot, but Yozora is clearly the "leader" that everyone respects and likes.
And I think Yozora has changed. Don't remember what chapter it was, but Kodaka admitted himself that even she was now cherishing all the members of the club. Even Sena. Deep down, I think she loves Sena as much as Sena loves her :heh:
Anyway, really looking forward to volume 9, it can't come soon enough. I hope it gets better for Yozora, even if just a little.
frivolity
2013-02-18, 02:35
Not...sure how this is different from normal people... Do you go around making friends with people you don't want to be friends with?
The problem is probably the condescending manner that Sena treats those people, such as her treatment of the punks in the swimming session with Kodaka.
evil|plushie
2013-02-18, 03:05
So the problem isn't how she doesn't care for people she doesn't want to be friends with, but more of how she treats people? She only really seems to be very condescending towards guys though; probably because of how guys treat her like royalty, and very bitter towards females; probably cause of how they're all very catty to her.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-02-18, 04:16
Not...sure how this is different from normal people... Do you go around making friends with people you don't want to be friends with?
Well yeah, happens to me all the time.
Sometimes they just pick you.
SoloPanda
2013-02-18, 23:15
Well yeah, happens to me all the time.
Sometimes they just pick you.
Those are called stalkers ... call 911 or 119 (depending on location) if you see them again....
on a serious note I'm looking foward to the next volume, I'd be kinda happy if he rejects Sena so that he can really settle on his friendship with everyone. I honestly think he'll be freaked out by it for half the volume or more because no matter what he says it will change the relationship with Sena. BTW just because he's not with Sena doesn't mean he's gonna go running to Yozora before she fixes her head atleast.
Whoever he gets as a girlfriend will have to put up with Yukimura being there. I have a strong feeling that even his future wife will have to worry about Yukimura living in the house and doing all the housework for him.
evil|plushie
2013-02-19, 00:27
That first line made me lol.
Yukimura, the free live-in maid and the future stella -_-
The whole thing about just befriending anyone because they pick you reminds me too much of the whole mentality that people have that if you're nice to someone, they'll eventually come to friend/like you. It doesn't work that way .
Chaos2Frozen
2013-02-19, 00:43
Those are called stalkers ... call 911 or 119 (depending on location) if you see them again....
Unfortunately it doesn't work if they have a reason to be near you...
...Like say sharing the same classroom or bunk...
The whole thing about just befriending anyone because they pick you reminds me too much of the whole mentality that people have that if you're nice to someone, they'll eventually come to friend/like you. It doesn't work that way .
Sure it works, you'll just be terrible friends- but friends nonetheless!
The whole thing about just befriending anyone because they pick you reminds me too much of the whole mentality that people have that if you're nice to someone, they'll eventually come to friend/like you. It doesn't work that way .
Sure it does. At least from all the girls I know. They just secretly stab each other in the back. Women. Oh women.
Lies! Kodaka would never treat Yukimura that way. :frustrated:
taurosground
2013-02-19, 22:50
Question from one who just finished halfway through Chapter Eight (where Vexed currently is at): First, where does everybody get the original, Japanese version of the light novels? Second, what is Universe? Third, why does everybody think Yozora hasn't changed at all? I thought personally that when she wanted to watch the movie with everybody, it meant she finally accepted everybody as her friend, and that's why she's so shocked that Kodaka talked to Rika about being her friend, as she interpreted it as him being her friend and not anybody else's. Sorry for bad English!
Chaos2Frozen
2013-02-19, 22:54
Question from one who just finished halfway through Chapter Eight (where Vexed currently is at): First, where does everybody get the original, Japanese version of the light novels?
I'm pretty certain most of them bought the book :heh: If not, there's always spoilers on other Japanese blogs.
taurosground
2013-02-19, 22:57
I'm pretty certain most of them bought the book :heh: If not, there's always spoilers on other Japanese blogs.
Oh :rolleyes: i feel dumb. Did you personally buy the books, and if you did, would you care to reveal where you got them?
SoloPanda
2013-02-19, 23:38
Oh :rolleyes: i feel dumb. Did you personally buy the books, and if you did, would you care to reveal where you got them?
you can get them on amazon.jp or a specialty bookstore if you don't live in japan... if you do just go to San-A or Jusco or something and get it >.<
Pretty much just about any anime merchandise site stock LNs..they are now a bit part of the industry.
taurosground
2013-02-20, 10:38
Just read the rest of Chapter Eight. Does Kodaka have a crush on the President? And what does Yozora mean at the end?
...
i don't think kodaka will choice one of the girls, it probably will be just about friends
ultimate_noob
2013-02-22, 01:37
Look at Pegasus' current state. That is Kodaka's future would be. That is the conclusion I came up with after just recently reading vol.8. Now joining the waiting camp for vol.9
Look at Pegasus' current state. That is Kodaka's future would be. That is the conclusion I came up with after just recently reading vol.8. Now joining the waiting camp for vol.9
Buy and read CONNECT.
So people still don't get it? There's no way Sena would win Kodaka.
Do you guys want a breakdown of why it's not gonna happen?
Sumeragi
2013-02-23, 12:34
1. There is no "no way" in any story.
2. Now now, stop blatant shipping.
1. There is no "no way" in any story.
2. Now now, stop blatant shipping.
Have you even read CONNECT?
http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/files/d000172/haganaiconnect_cov.jpg
It was so pro "Sena will get rejected by Kodaka and will mature, grow up because of the heartbreaking loss". Sena is the light and Yozora is the darkness that will eat the light, meaning, Yozora will save Sena.
Btw, I'm "Haganai" in this site since I'm new. Lets be friends bruddah.
Sumeragi
2013-02-23, 12:43
1. Not my point. Given that everything up to volume 8 was supposed to be the "prologue", we have a long way to go before we can consider anything seriously.
2. I'm a sister.
1. IMO, I don't think Haganai is neither close or FAR from ending. Hmmm, I think it'll end at somewhere like 12. I really hope I'm wrong.
2. Anego... 4649 ;)
3. I'm the biggest Yozora fanboy ever so expect my biased pro Yozora posts! xD
Maybe I'm wrong but from what I've seen so far from the anime, Sena is the one that have actually been closer to Kodaka, so my question is have it actually been like this even in the novel? If it has then they will be the final couple imo.
Newprimus
2013-02-23, 17:45
Sena has had way more developments. Also theme-wise Sena represents the future, moving forward. Her personality's also like that. Yozora represents the past, and her attitude reflects that; she wants a return to when she and Kodaka were Sora and Taka.
What Yozora needs isn't Kodaka. If she gets him, then it just gives her justification and a stronger anchor to keep herself stuck in the past. She needs to move on from some idealized fantasy relationship fabricated from her past experiences and learn to create new relationships.
frivolity
2013-02-23, 19:02
So people still don't get it? There's no way Sena would win Kodaka.
Do you guys want a breakdown of why it's not gonna happen?
Feel free to give your breakdown, but I'm pretty sure most of the reasons you'll bring up have been debated before with no clear conclusion coming out of it.
Feel free to give your breakdown, but I'm pretty sure most of the reasons you'll bring up have been debated before with no clear conclusion coming out of it.
Please tell me that you haven't read CONNECT.
If you have read it but is still thinking that Sena would win then there are 2 things that 2ch'ers would describe you.
1. 負け組肉厨の現実逃避 → Sena fans being delusional/running away from the reality
2. 理解力が無さすぎ → No power of understanding nor comprehension whatsoever
Again, ^ this will be irrelevant if you haven't read it so don't worry.
frivolity
2013-02-23, 20:11
Please tell me that you haven't read CONNECT.
If you have read it but is still thinking that Sena would win then there are 2 things that 2ch'ers would describe you.
1. 負け組肉厨の現実逃避 → Sena fans being delusional/running away from the reality
2. 理解力が無さすぎ → No power of understanding nor comprehension whatsoever
Again, ^ this will be irrelevant if you haven't read it so don't worry.
I'm halfway through reading it, but I've read summaries of the remaining parts.
Still waiting for your breakdown btw.
Edit: To be clear, my current stance is that all the girls still have a significant (but not equal) chance, with none of them being so far ahead of everyone else such that their victory is guaranteed. Needless to say, Maria and Kobato are very far behind for various, but it's not impossible for the story to take a sudden turn.
At the very least, I wouldn't say that there's "no way" for any particular one to win in the end.
Rising Dragon
2013-02-23, 20:13
> taking 2ch'er's opinions to be solid.
Lol.
taurosground
2013-02-23, 21:05
I'm halfway through reading it, but I've read summaries of the remaining parts.
Still waiting for your breakdown btw.
Edit: To be clear, my current stance is that all the girls still have a significant (but not equal) chance, with none of them being so far ahead of everyone else such that their victory is guaranteed. Needless to say, Maria and Kobato are very far behind for various, but it's not impossible for the story to take a sudden turn.
At the very least, I wouldn't say that there's "no way" for any particular one to win in the end.
I'm agreeing with this one (save perhaps Yukimura, she'll need a BIG turn for her to get back). Rika has really connected with Kodaka recently, but the way he asked her to be his first recent friend makes me feel her chances as lover are diminishing (however, she is the one who said friends can be lovers as well). Haven't read Connect, so that's probably why I have no idea why Sena is out, but to me, it seems like she's in the lead. Yozora seems too plain negative to win, but since the next volume is apparently a huge Yozora booster, I'll have to hold my judgement on that.
frivolity
2013-02-23, 21:48
I don't think Yukimura's chances are that bad, neither are Rika's. There's still a long way to go and all sorts of things could happen. As a case in point, I was very certain a few volumes ago that OreImo was about platonic love between sibling and that a Kirino end was absolutely impossible. I've had to revise that prediction after the latest volume.
I mentioned before that the longer the remainder of the story is, the more it starts to favour those characters that have not received development yet because characters that peak too early would have run out of momentum by then. It also goes without saying that the longer the horizon that we're trying to predict, the more uncertain our predictions become. When it comes to slice-of-life light novels or manga with harem elements, nothing is certain until the last volume/issue comes out.
Okashira
2013-02-24, 04:15
In an actual in novel topic, Vexed released a new chapter of volume 8. Just with a few lines I was already laughing out loud, I mean, air Shogi? :heh:
There's a bug in those Akashic records of yours, Kobato...
:heh:
...Just so we're clear, "shooting down" isn't a metaphor, I mean it literally. The game Sena's currently playing is an FPS where you have to use your gun to shoot down tons of girls coming at you with love letters in their hands and their panties in full view.
Gal☆gun kita!
sky black swordman
2013-02-24, 04:22
^ Thanks for the heads up.:)
I will go check in a bit.
Flere821
2013-02-24, 06:05
Have you even read CONNECT?
*snip image*
It was so pro "Sena will get rejected by Kodaka and will mature, grow up because of the heartbreaking loss". Sena is the light and Yozora is the darkness that will eat the light, meaning, Yozora will save Sena.
... WTH? I've read Connect, and I call rubbish on your reasoning. Citations/references that support your claims please, otherwise I believe the only place your shipping-lens affected 'logic' belongs to is on my ignore list. If anything, Yozora (the Haganai character, not you) looks to be more doomed to fail at winning Kodaka's heart, she's been raising no romance flags in this volume or even friendship flags with Kodaka.
/hate of singleminded shipping
frivolity
2013-02-24, 07:02
... snip
If anything, Yozora (the Haganai character, not you) looks to be more doomed to fail at winning Kodaka's heart, she's been raising no romance flags in this volume or even friendship flags with Kodaka.
/hate of singleminded shipping
I support Sena too, but the story is young and there's a lot more to go. It's way too early to be counting any character out at this point.
novalysis
2013-02-24, 07:40
Yozora did a brilliant job at owning Yusa in the latest chapter released. It's quite interesting when the author comments at how unlikely the entire scenario of Hagani is - and probably most harems for that matter. Though if Yusa was really serious, I think she will push for a rule that ensures the separation of Middle and High School Clubs, and the banning of recruitment by High School Clubs of Middle Schoolers.
Though technically, there have been neighbor club members who have been absent for weeks. I also wonder what would have had happened had Kodaka joined St Chronica earlier than the second year of High School.
finalfury
2013-02-24, 09:53
Message for Yozora:
You have just raised a Kobato flag. If you care to continue, you will enter Kobato route.
Do it, and my wishes for this series will be complete.
Personally, Im leaning towards Sena cuz she and Kodaka seem to complement each other more, and IMO Yozora has raised too many friendship flags.
l.kostas
2013-02-24, 12:23
Originally Posted by Kodaka
...Just so we're clear, "shooting down" isn't a metaphor, I mean it literally. The game Sena's currently playing is an FPS where you have to use your gun to shoot down tons of girls coming at you with love letters in their hands and their panties in full view.
That's the game Sena plays at the next chapter, gets too absorbed and says what she says. The other girls reaction, from google translate:
Sena talking at someone inside that game:
'but has nothing to do with that, in terms of my personal feelings I want to marry you. because I like Kodaka'
Yozora seems completely do not know what to do like interactive look at me and restlessness Sena.
Yukimura stared at me blankly deadpan as usual.
Kobato one looked at me crying with Yuqi expression.
Rika with a sad expression hovering between Sena and I sight contact with my eyes as if to say "clearly warned you," whispered sigh.
Somethindarker
2013-02-24, 15:54
i haven't read connect, but imo sena and rika are the two closest to end with kodaka as of now. i read somewhere that the author stated in an interview that after the prologue phase of haganai ends that the story is only 1/3 completed. have to find the source so take it with a grain of salt but if i do find i'll post the interview right away. also can someone point me to where i can read haganai connect, be it summuaries of actual translated stories? i mainly go to tsuki so even now i havent finished volume 8. but any help would be much appreciated.
frivolity
2013-02-24, 18:39
The full translations for every volume, including Connect, are available in Chinese if you're able to read it. I don't think there's any site that has translated the novels into English at a faster pace than Baka-Tsuki.
Somethindarker
2013-02-24, 21:33
The full translations for every volume, including Connect, are available in Chinese if you're able to read it. I don't think there's any site that has translated the novels into English at a faster pace than Baka-Tsuki.
ah ok. much obliged. i guess ill wait til there are some summaries or translation then.
cyberdemon
2013-02-25, 01:52
Personally, Im leaning towards Sena cuz she and Kodaka seem to complement each other more, and IMO Yozora has raised too many friendship flags.
agreed. I feel that Yozora could end up happier if, while not getting the guy, she reaffirms her friendship with Kodaka and opens herself up much more to those around her. Getting the guy might be good for her but if she gives up everything else as a result, it will only bring unhappiness to Kodaka which will just make her unhappy in the end.
Miraluka
2013-02-25, 11:48
agreed. I feel that Yozora could end up happier if, while not getting the guy, she reaffirms her friendship with Kodaka and opens herself up much more to those around her. Getting the guy might be good for her but if she gives up everything else as a result, it will only bring unhappiness to Kodaka which will just make her unhappy in the end.
The problem is she wants to monopolize Kodaa for herself, most of the things she did so far were exclusive for Kodaka and herself.... they usually fail anyway.
> taking 2ch'er's opinions to be solid.
Lol.
:heh:
cyberdemon
2013-02-25, 16:55
The problem is she wants to monopolize Kodaka for herself, most of the things she did so far were exclusive for Kodaka and herself.... they usually fail anyway.
:heh:
That's why I said it might be better if she didn't get the guy. If she did she may monopolize him and try to keep the other girls away. Kodaka finally accepted the fact that they are all friends. This wouldn't make Kodaka very happy in the long run which would still ultimately affect her relationship with him negatively. To lose the guy but affirm her friendship with him and accept the friendship of the others, Yozora may get more out of that than if she got the guy.
Unless Yozora turns off her Kodaka tunnel vision soon, it will mean she is less and less likely to get the guy.
taurosground
2013-02-25, 17:52
Unless Yozora turns off her Kodaka tunnel vision soon, it will mean she is less and less likely to get the guy.
That's the thing though, although her recent action to leave the club because of Rika's and Sena's new relationships with Kodaka contradict this, before the second half of Volume Eight, I thought Yozora was progressing more towards a more accepting view towards the Neighbor's Club, especially with her refusal to show the movie during the School Festival without Rika being there to watch it with them. I really think the ninth volume will decide it and swing Yozora into a more accepting club leader or a total Kodaka freak.
MasterChief_Halo
2013-02-26, 16:54
From all the posts I've read, I can imagine two possible ways the anime can end.
It can end like this for those that want the Yozora being depressed and secluding herself but realizing she has many friends ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIm_ypQDEzI
Or for a bad ending with Yozora and Kodaka like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKsJunlsgFk
ultimate_noob
2013-02-27, 03:38
Buy and read CONNECT.
I have and my own opinion about the ending still will not change. Only the real ending will.
Now go buy the 2nd season bluray because it has low sales predictions that will lead to a non-existent third season.
sky black swordman
2013-02-27, 05:45
@MasterChief_Halo, The chances of the second happening here are zero.
I had a feeling that it was going to a video of "THAT" anime.:uhoh:
taurosground
2013-02-27, 08:15
Is there a detailed summary of CONNECT out there? And is Universe relevant to the story line?
mironicus
2013-02-27, 18:12
My personal made-up teaser for Vol. 9:
Kodaka will finally release his feelings for the girl he likes, but he also will reveal his anger against the girl he dislikes! Many tears will flow, a shocking event will be revealed that happened in the past ten years ago! Something Kodaka was not able to remember up until now! All open questions about Kodaka's childhood friendship with Yozora will be answered in the next volume! Be prepared for Yozora's "counterattack"! :D
It would be extremely silly for Yozora to end up with Kodaka. Sena or Rika did more in raising flags than Yozora ever did. Plus, with Yozora's personality, it would be extremely hard for them to be happy as couple.
frivolity
2013-03-01, 08:56
^We've got a long story left ahead of us. Anything can happen.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-03-01, 10:22
Wasn't it said that even though Sena have more 'events', it was Yozora that gets the most noticed and comments?
And Rika somewhere in between as the most approachable or understanding or something...
taurosground
2013-03-01, 22:21
We definitely can't conclude anything about Yozora knowing that the next chapter is going to revolve around her.
Kodaka's response to Sena will probably go a long way in their relationship, either really good, or really bad.
In order for Rika to end up with Kodaka, she'll have to stop wearing that emotional mask in front of Kodaka, and for him, that means letting go of the new friends in the Neighbor's Club. The only way Rika can get him is if Kodaka is able to accept that change is inevitable and sometimes a good thing.
MasterChief_Halo
2013-03-02, 01:27
I think the new volume is going to open up more about her personal life. I have a feeling that after Kodaka left, she became vulnerable and tried to find friends that she can connect to. Instead, she ended up being betrayed and/or bullied in middle school. To some "Tomo-chan" may literally be an air friend or an act of desperation, but I think she's real and played a major role in it. Who knows...maybe people Yozora knew in the past show up...possibly another guy? The first 8 volumes is only 1/3 of the story, can't wait to see everything unfold.
Somethindarker
2013-03-02, 02:11
I think the new volume is going to open up more about her personal life. I have a feeling that after Kodaka left, she became vulnerable and tried to find friends that she can connect to. Instead, she ended up being betrayed and/or bullied in middle school. To some "Tomo-chan" may literally be an air friend or an act of desperation, but I think she's real and played a major role in it. Who knows...maybe people Yozora knew in the past show up...possibly another guy? The first 8 volumes is only 1/3 of the story, can't wait to see everything unfold.
supposedly so far everything told is an extended "flashback" i figure 2 more volumes and the story will be caught up and things will pick up in current time. i figure the their senior year will be the place where all the real fighting for kodaka and drama will unfold.
MasterChief_Halo
2013-03-02, 02:28
I wonder what would happen if the author decides to do a K-drama twist. Yozora gets into an accident and loses her memory of everyone from the club, the trauma that happened to her, and most of all, loses every memory of "Taka"...forever. Yozora would no longer care about Kodaka. She'd probably be normal. There would no longer be a need for her to be part of the Neighbor's Club, leaving the president's seat open. Or even worse...what if she loses all her memories of everything up to ten years ago?
as a character I like Sena but if you ask me who ı want Kodaka to be with it would be Rika. she really thinks about Kodaka's well being. they would be a good couple
exteriorly she's his type but her ill mind is repulsing for him
sonicgx11
2013-03-04, 08:58
Ok so i rewatched the first anime on the funimation website, and i didn't know this series had a uncensored version, i really didn't care seeing the tits, but what really surprised me was seeing kobato fully naked :twitch:, i was ok with the censored version. Since im curious on how far the story is im gonna hit the light novels hoping its translated.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-03-04, 09:01
i really didn't care seeing the tits, but what really surprised me was seeing kobato fully naked :twitch:
It shouldn't matter so long as your heart is pure :nod:
taurosground
2013-03-04, 21:52
It shouldn't matter so long as your heart is pure :nod:
About the tits or Kobato? Because, as a healthy male, I believe Sena's meat is more than enough to shake the heart of the strongest of our kind. :cool:
Chaos2Frozen
2013-03-04, 21:55
About the tits or Kobato? Because, as a healthy male, I believe Sena's meat is more than enough to shake the heart of the strongest of our kind. :cool:
Whichever applies :nod:
Ehm... Somebody can spoiler me what happens in the volume Haganai Connect? a brief summary and/or introduction can be nice too... :heh:
Haganai volume 9's release date has been delayed.
Fvvvvvccckk
April 25th, LOOOOOL
This is really devastating for Yozora fangirls.....
Same release date with Steins;Gate's new game "Senkei Kousoku no Phenogram" if anyone was wondering.
sky black swordman
2013-03-05, 20:16
Ehm... Somebody can spoiler me what happens in the volume Haganai Connect? a brief summary and/or introduction can be nice too... :heh:
Well this is spoiler from Haganai Connect, it's about Stella (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=4530555#post4530555).
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