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  1. Triple_R
    2015-02-12 12:15
    Triple_R
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0
    Also, man I'm much pickier about action and "artsy" stuff than stuff I like for characters, cuteness or just plain guilty pleasure. The original list is kind of embarrassing at points... I'll PM you a copy if you want, still deciding if Pocari is allowed to see it.
    Honestly, I've noticed much the same about my own tastes shifting that way. If the main reason I'm into a show is because of moe or endearing characters, I'm more likely to think highly of it than if I'm into a show mainly because of plot or artistic reasons.

    Basically, if a show really wins me over with one or more of its characters, it's sure to be a personal favorite, whereas the same isn't as often true for shows that win me over primarily with their plot or "artsy" quality.

    Honestly, I suspect this reflects one of the chief taste divides here on Anime Suki. I think it helps to explain how, for example, you and I both tend to like noitaminA shows, but not quite as much as noitaminA's biggest fans do. It also helps to explain my passionate love of Love Live! and your own love of shows like HSI. On the whole, my tastes have drifted closer to yours over the past two years, and further away from, well, Pocari's...

    So by all means, PM me your list. While I haven't done a detailed year-by-year breakdown to the degree that you have, I suspect we'd be in at least 90% agreement. 2011 and 2012 were both very strong years out of the last 6 or so, and I'd rate them ahead of the other 4/5 years in that group.
  2. 0utf0xZer0
    2015-02-12 04:44
    0utf0xZer0
    So I decided to rank all the TV series (not including specials, movies or OVAs) I watched and liked a lot in 2008 to 2014 from tier 1 (highest) to tier 3 and then broke that down further (ie. 1+, 1, 1-). Then I produced a "classics" list, again split into three tiers.

    Then I determined my feelings on the years in question:
    Overall:
    Tier 1: 2011, 2012
    Tier 2: 2008, 2013
    Tier 3: 2010
    Tier 4: 2009, 2014

    Further notes:
    2011/2012 were very high on quality and quantity of shows, with 2013 also being fairly high on both measures.
    2008 was high on quality but didn't do quite as well quantity wise.
    2010 was mid tier on both.
    2009 has a few really good shows but didn't rank many shows overall.
    2014 ranked quite a lot of shows but very few ranked highly.

    Also, man I'm much pickier about action and "artsy" stuff than stuff I like for characters, cuteness or just plain guilty pleasure. The original list is kind of embarrassing at points... I'll PM you a copy if you want, still deciding if Pocari is allowed to see it.
  3. 0utf0xZer0
    2015-02-03 22:49
    0utf0xZer0
    That's more or less why I think of Hitagi as a tsundere as well.

    Guessing the one you don't know is Zakuro, she's kind of like a cross between Rin and Horo but with a bit more "fire" in her personality. There's a method to her madness too, she's prejudice against the guy she's paired with from the start because he's human, and in her view humans are too quick to abandon tradition in favour of western ways.

    (Horo should maybe be on that list too, albeit as a mild example. Also, Tsugumi Komachi from Ever 17 but I wanted to stick to anime examples)

    I would agree that my very favourite tsunderes tend not to be the hotheaded type. But if we look at tsundere I like more broadly, there's actually a lot of Taiga type characters I like. I find the awkwardness and raw emotion these characters display makes me sympathetic to them - if the author doesn't make them annoy me first.

    Some notes on these types:
    Taiga herself: The series plays her very sympathetically on the whole, and I also feel like Toradora understood how far to take its character gags better than many shows. The way she's initially played up as a pint sized terror lasts about as long as its welcome.
    Claire Rouge (Blade Dance): I'm not about to argue Blade Dance is a great show, but I feel like it did a better job than most at connecting some of Claire's early lashing-out to specific moments of vulnerability, which made her more sympathetic than most.
    Ling (Infinite Stratos): This one is tricky to pinpoint, but I think the reason why Ling is one of my favourite IS characters is she comes across as a nice girl who happens to be fairly blunt and easily irritated. It makes her feel more natural to me than, say, Cecilia or Laura. When I think about it, Hyouka's Mayaka has a similar appeal.
    Charlotte (Unbreakable Machine Doll): I'm not generally fond of the "rich girl" subtype of tsundere - which I tend to find stiff rather than natural - but Charlotte is an exception. I think there's two reasons for that. One, she has a grudging respect for the main character. Second, those conversations with Sigmund, who gave the writer a lot of free reign to lampshade her personality without it feeling as unnatural as it does in many shows.

    Interesting observation on SAO and Yuuki Yuuna. I didn't notice that one as I'm that into SAO, but yeah it does seem like an influence in the character design.

    A PMMM character to cross with Nozomi? You're probably expecting me to say Mami but I think the characters are actually too similar to be effective and I think I'd prefer to cross Mami and Eli. So I'm going to say Kyoko. Retain Kyoko's lone wolf traits and cockiness, but make her mischievous and a bit hedonistic in place of Kyoko's seriousness and austerity.
  4. Triple_R
    2015-02-03 19:22
    Triple_R
    Good list of tsunderes. One commonality in almost all of them, if not all of them (one of them I'm not familiar with myself) is that they all have a certain thoughtfulness, if not downright intellectualism, to them. In other words, they generally don't feel like purely reflexive tsunderes. There tends to be a method to their tsuntsun, and even sometimes a method to their deredere, and I think that adds a certain depth and integrity to them.

    Basically, they're not just hot-headed (well, except for Taiga perhaps ), and nor is their tsundere nature rooted purely in just shy denials.

    By the way, I now have no disagreement with the idea of Hitagi as a tsundere.
    Spoiler for Hitagi discussion:



    As for our Yuuki Yuuna discussion, my take on anime in general is that shows often take inspiration from multiple sources. I'm pretty confident that Yuuki Yuuna is inspired at least somewhat by Madoka Magica, but I think SAO might inspire YY a little bit as well. The costumes in particular strike me as sort of a fusion between the aesthetics of Madoka Magica and the aesthetics of SAO. While Itsuki's costume would fit in perfectly in PMMM, Karin's would fit in perfectly in SAO. Meanwhile, the remaining costumes feel like mid-points between PMMM and SAO.

    At a character level, I can kind of see Fuu as a fusion of Mami Tomoe and SAO's Asuna.


    With the above in mind, I've been considering writing an original fiction that would sort of fuse Love Live! and Madoka Magica together - a show about literally magical idols. As a big Nozomi fan, I'd be curious in getting your take on which PMMM girl do you think would make the best cross with her.
  5. 0utf0xZer0
    2015-02-03 17:51
    0utf0xZer0
    I agree with Yuuki combining Madoka and Sayaka's traits. Homura and Hitomi... I agree that she exhibits traits of both but I'm not necessarily sure that Hitomi is the actual inspiration for Togo's gentler side.

    Here's how I see it after integrating your thoughts on Yuuki and further exploring some of my own ideas:
    Spoiler for Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru:


    What I'm less sure on is how many of these similarities arise from conscious attempts to mimic Madoka and how many are cases of less conscious inspiration. The relatively natural feel to the story suggests to me that at least some of it is the latter.
  6. Triple_R
    2015-02-03 05:53
    Triple_R
    Your take on the Yuuki Yuuna cast is interesting. Madoka = Yuuki + Itsuki is particularly inspired, because I can kind of see that working.

    But my own take was...

    Togo = Homura + Hitomi
    Togo strikes me as a gentler and softer and more elegant Homura, but at the same time this means she's not quite as firm/resolute as Homura is. I think Hitomi's character would account for the differences.

    Yuuki = Madoka + Sayaka

    Fuu is probably inspired at least somewhat by Mami Tomoe.

    I'll probably have more to say in reply to your latest VN to me later on today sometime.
  7. 0utf0xZer0
    2015-02-03 04:53
    0utf0xZer0
    Since Darth is doing it, so will I. In no particular order:
    Azusa (K-On)
    Zakuro (Otome Youkai Zakuro)
    Taiga (Toradora)
    Kuroneko (OreImo)
    Ririchiyo (Inu x Boku SS)
    Hitagi (Bakemonogatari - I think her inclusion in the list is warranted whether or not she 100% meets a given definition)

    Whereas from Darth's list only Mai and movie version Sheryl would get my vote for favourite from their respective shows.

    BTW, given that I'm a Kuroneko fan when it comes to OreImo, would it suprise you to know that Eriri is my favourite in Saenai Heroine?

    Edit:
    Random Yuuki Yuuna related comment... I'm thinking YY's cast is actually a little more Madoka inspired than I originally gathered:
    Homura + Sayaka = Togo
    Madoka = Yuuki + Itsuki
    So merge two characters and split one. The other three have fairly obvious counterparts.
  8. Triple_R
    2015-01-28 19:04
    Triple_R
    Yeah, Yuuki Yuuna is a hit.

    Good to see, but I'm not surprised. Whatever one thinks of the final episode, Yuuki Yuuna was still a very well-made show with excellent visuals and a good soundtrack and a compelling, likeable cast.

    I also actually see a bit of an overlap between the success of Madoka Magica, Love Live!, and Yuuki Yuuna. The character/costume designs for all three shows have a certain polish and distinct style to it. The Puella Magi outfits, all of the various Muse outfits, and the Hero outfits in Yuuki Yuuna - All of them look very cool and colorful to me. They're all nicely detailed, but generally not over-detailed. They all look nicely functional and sleek, but also vibrant and larger-than-life. I think this is something that can add a lot to character appeal, which in turn can make a show much more appealing to DVD/Blu-Ray buyers.

    I also think that there's still a hunger out there for more adult-focused magical girl shows. There honestly hasn't been that much of that since Madoka Magica. Hopefully Yuuki Yuuna selling well might inspire other animation studios to try their hand at their own mature mahou shoujo show. And yeah, a Yuuki Yuuna sequel might be nice.
  9. 0utf0xZer0
    2015-01-28 18:36
    0utf0xZer0
    So in spite of all the hand wringing over the ending, it looks like Yuuki Yuuna is a late bloomer sales wise:
    Volume 1 first week sales (mid-December): 4871
    Volume 1 sales, most recent available data (mid-January): 10373
    Volume 2 first week sales: 7664

    Still feels like many people I know haven't heard of it let alone seen it, but it makes me feel optimistic about a sequel.
  10. Triple_R
    2015-01-23 00:38
    Triple_R
    I sent this to Seihai's wall, and I thought you might be interested in reading it as well:

    Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata - Good start. Excellent direction. Very Monogatari series-esque to me. Will watch the 2nd episode later tonight or sometime tomorrow. I like the main females. One strikes me as a more likeable Hitagi, and another as a cross between Kanbaru and PMMM's Sayaka.

    Idolmaster: Cinderella Girls - This is such a total 180 from the original Idolmaster, cast-size wise. I love that. I love how it focuses a lot on a couple of female characters, rather than a huge cast of 12 or so. The male producer also helps provide great comedy - He makes me think of Lurch from The Addams Family. On the whole, the first episode reminded me some of what I love about Love Live!, and that's a big positive.

    Yuri Kuma Arashi - I'm a yuri fan, so I do like much of the yuri in this. But the first episode was a bit too bizarre for my liking. I don't mind metapors, but when the entire show feels like one big metaphor to me, that can be a bit of a put off to me. I'll probably give it at least another episode or two, though. If you like yuri *and* mind-trippy shows, this show is for you.

    ----------------

    As for your last VM to me, I get what you're saying. One particular thing that stood out to me was the the first three or four scenes of the first episode, and the commentary they made about "how best to introduce the audience to a new show and its major characters". I liked how it seemed to take a clear stand there. I don't want an anime show to just beat itself up and/or the anime world in general, so I'm with you there. But I do like it when an anime show can be just a little bit self-critical on a minor point like this one, or even just take a clear stand on something that we anime fans debate about a lot.

    Shirobako is a show that's doing an excellent job of hitting the right balance here, in my view. It presents the anime world in a largely positive light, but it will make the odd satirical critique here and there.

    Oh, and yeah, the actor girl in Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata makes me think a bit of Nadeko, but also Hanekawa.

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