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  1. Last Sinner
    2011-11-01 10:37
    Last Sinner
    In the cases of all three girls, why I ultimately couldn't like any of the three comes down to a few reasons.

    1. Quiet females don't calm me. They irritate me. Women in control or ones with a somewhat positive manner calm me.

    2. All three ended up being pitted in hostile fanbases against the lead female. I don't like 'A vs B' scenarios.

    3. I've been raised by feminists and been in the midst of turmoil for most of my life. I can't handle the concept of a nice, quiet female. It's just completely intangible for me. Can I appreciate loneliness? Yes, but not from them.

    As for the new Last Exile, Episode 3 gave it much needed character backstory. Things make a lot more sense after this episode.

    The Charlote Dunois figure on this page...should I or shouldn't I...
  2. 0utf0xZer0
    2011-11-01 03:23
    I have a really bad habit of accidentally posting on my own wall.

    Rushed/prototypical writing is probably in part that some parts are really rushed - they blew through six volumes of LN in 15 episodes.

    I always got the impression people’s problem with Kirino was that they felt she was ungrateful and abusive to Kyousuke and got more and more frustrated with that aspect of her character early on. On the other hand, she seems to be pretty popular with Japanese audiences, which I think is related to her being “one of them” and hence an “otaku power” symbol – Lucky Star’s Konata enjoyed similar sentiments back in 2007.

    As for quiet girls, I have quite a few on my favourite anime girls list. In almost every case, the appeal lies in a deeply felt emotional connection that is establish in spite of a lack of dialogue or strong displays of emotion. Paradoxically they actually end up appealing in a manner similar to that of characters who make extremely “raw” displays of emotion such as Taiga. Loneliness often plays a role, but it’s not my lonliness – it’s that I feel theirs.

    Sometimes this sort of deep emotional connection factors into the story itself – perhaps the ultimate example being Riken and Susukihotaru in Otome Youkai Zakuro. He’s the strong silent type and she’s shy – but she also happens to be an empath.

    Now as to the specific examples:

    Tenshi: didn’t actually get on board with this one until I saw this picture partway through the show’s run:

    I have some sort of weird “OMG SO CUTE” reaction to couples where the girl is really short… I’ve had it kick in when reviewing my cosplay photos too (though weirdly, not so much when I actually take it).

    I also feel for her having to keep her feelings towards Otonashi pent up, but this didn’t affect my opinion of the couple that much since it came so late in the series.

    Yuki: TBH Yuki is kind of the odd one out among quiet girls for me. I watched Haruhi before I really had my bearings as a moe fan and ended up liking for her awesome powers and overly logical nature (in a way similar to how one of Azusa’s appeal in K-On! is that she’s so high strung and serious) – which was cute in a way, but very different from the appeal I see in most quiet girls.

    Kuroneko:… to be honest, I don’t really see her as a “quiet girl” type. She is lonely and insecure, but that doesn’t become that obvious until later on. The moment I fell for her was in episode 9: seeing the utter contrast between “big sister Ruri” and “fallen angel Kuroneko” was really cute in a candid way, followed by the bit in episode 11 where she teases Kyousuke in a maid outfit. At that moment, her teasing and trolling actually became endearing, even if I think she crosses the line somewhat. So to me, she’s not really a quiet girl, more of an oddball teasing type.
  3. Last Sinner
    2011-10-31 23:49
    Last Sinner
    Then why does it feel like its writing is so rushed/prototypical? On that episode you say replaced the LN material - explains a lot. That episode is key to why a lot of people dislike Kirino and go for Kuroneko instead. I.e. They hate the fact Kirino was having everything going her way, almost like a Mary Sue character.

    As for those other comparison - yes, I like my characters to have some punch. But characters like Kanade, Yuki and Kuroneko have shown they're a type of character that more people are going for. Maybe out of loneliness, frustration, the fact they're easy? *shrug*

    P.S. You posted something on your own page. I think you meant to send it to Triple_R?
  4. 0utf0xZer0
    2011-10-30 15:40
    Uh, based on the illustration scans at Baka-tsuki's page for the Ore no Imouto light novels, the anime roughly corresponds to the events of the first six books, the last of which was out months in advance of the anime. So I seriously doubt they were winging it. In spite of that the quality fluctuates wildly after the end of Ayase's arc (episode 5 in the anime, volume 2 in the novel). I'm not sure if its a problem with the source material or the adaptation (though the summaries of volume 3 make it sound a lot better than the anime version), but I've seen this happen with a ton of light novel adaptations and it really undermines my confidence in such adaptations to deliver over the long run.

    What you describe sounds a lot like the plot of the anime original episode where Kirino's single volume story gets an anime adaptation, which replaced the story in volume 3 of the novel where Kirino's story gets plagiarized. I'm far from the only person who thinks the original story would probably have turned out much better.

    THe Sheryl Nome comparison was never as important to my point as the Iriya Kana one was. Since I suspect that (like most people) you haven't actually seen Iriya no Sora, UFO no Natsu, I'll just TL;DR my point to "the most appealing emotionless girls aren't". There's simply a lot more life to Kana's personality (basically, a girl falling in love while ptherwise being kind of numb from a traumatic stress disorder) than Inori's.
  5. Last Sinner
    2011-10-30 05:05
    Last Sinner
    Well, I'm glad that my discussion of that episode helped you see that. It's not like it'a spectacular series, but it's doing the essentials right. This could potentially flounder still, but I seriously hope not. I'd like to think there may finally be ONE title in this genre I actually like.

    Ore no Imouto was adapted when only one volume of the manga had been written/published. So they kind of winged it based upon what the fans like. I think the author thought it was too good to be true his material was popular in anime form and didn't think things through as to where the story went. Yet it stoll got 22k sales a volume because a lot of viewers only care about characters and that's all they wanted.

    I can't comment about Frontier because I find it unwatchable to the extreme and would cast it aside very early any time I tried. I prefer the 1982 version much more.

    As for Fate/Zero, I don't like discussing it since it's like walking into a minefield when you do. Plus too many people I know IRL are blindly thinking it's perfection. I find it very hard to have a proper discussion about it with anyone except one IRL friend who has read the novels in full and told me close to everything important that happens. He helped me understand the links between F/Z and FSN more because the adaptation Deen did messed things up big time.
  6. 0utf0xZer0
    2011-10-30 04:06
    Just reposting bits of a couple VMs I sent other people since they're relevant to our previous conversations:

    For some reason I like Bokutachi episode 4 a lot more than the first couple. I think the introduction of more plot threads and characters over the past two episodes has helped, even if Kobato is a pale shadow of Kuroneko – when it was just the initial trio, there was just too much catfighting going on. There are two girl rivalries I really like (Kana and Akiko in Iriya no Sora come to mind), but a lot of them just don’t work well for me.
    So yeah, I definitely feel the new characters are opening up some avenus. I don't think I *conciously* noticed how much Yozora was developed this episode until I read your blog post, but there's that factor too.

    Biggest concern? That this is going to end up being like Ore no Imouto where we see some interesting ideas early on (Ayase's arc was brilliant IMO) only to have it stagnate later. Hit to miss episode count is a major factor in determining whether I like these kinds of shows and very few get good grades in that regard.

    Second quote:
    -I had high hopes for Inori early on, seeing her as a bit of an “action idol” in the vein of someone like Macross Frontier’s Sheryl Nome. Now she reminds me a lot of Iriya Kana – broken and half dead. Except that Kana got significant moe points from me because I could always feel how badly she loved Asaba and how it gave her the will to keep fighting. Inori just feels kind of… dead. Maybe that’ll change over the course of the series. For the moment though, I’m liking the two pilot girls (Tsugumi and Ayase) more.
    I think it gets my point across much better than the Inori/Ame comparison.

    (I just realized that I used the same show (Iriya no Sora, UFO no Natsu) as a point of comparison in both quotes. There's a few respects in which I consider that show a bar setter, I'm just surprised to have two of them come up in close succession).

    Fate/Zero episode 5 exceeded my expectations and reminded me exactly why F/Z is my favourite show of the season, even if Gilgamesh is even more of an insufferable prick in this version. But for some reason I have trouble thinking of much to say about it. Maybe its just having a midterm and assignment coming up.
  7. Last Sinner
    2011-10-24 23:48
    Last Sinner
    Okay, after watching Last Exile: Fam the Silver Wing ep2, I can say the cast is a better gender balance now. And the moe factor was nowhere near as present as it was in ep1. Things get deadly serious this episode. In fact, I'd call it the best episode of anything I watched in the last week. It was so effective and developing so much plot and character background while having some scintillating action going on - it was darn impressive.

    Whereas Fate/Zero ep4 waasted what should have been a thrilling fight. Getting sick of the amount of untimely dialogue spam. Lancer and Saber are having an awesome fight! Stop cutting between 5 different sets of characters ffs! Stop ranting for a minute between every swing! Honestly, if it wasn't for Rider crashing the fight at the end of that episode, I wouldn't have liked it.
  8. Last Sinner
    2011-10-24 06:17
    Last Sinner
    Yes, you should. There is assumed knowledge of what Dio and Sophia did in the original, the Guild's influence and how the war was ended by Claus and Lavie.

    I judge any title by what it presents me content-wise. Looks have never mattered much to me unless it's moefication Over 9000 mode. Frontier was better in 1982. As for K-ON!, those things you listed are amongst the 10 most annoying things I've ever heard.

    There are adaptations that have proper level of art. But the jury is generally out for Mashiro.

    C3 - My rule is is anything that makes me feel the urge to call Chris Hansen has to be dropped immediately.

    IS - Charlotte Dunois is pretty hot. That and Triple_R's finidngs are my only reasons I'd watch it. The mech battles look pathetic. Actually wait, they;re not mechs. They're just people with temporary mechanical arms.

    Boku wa Tomodachi has my time because:

    1. Kodaka is not a typical generic male.
    2. There's no stupid panty shots or jiggling cleavage. The fanservice is somewhat complementary rather than demeaning or something that only people who are immune to sunlight watch.
    3. Sena is pretty delish. Meat is a pretty funny nickname to boot.
    4. Unlike most shows in this genre, it's making a reasonable attempt to adhere to the content rather than just be random and know they can get away with anything.
    5. I like the music. Very few shows this season I like the music from.
    6. Most ecchi series have very ugly art/character animation. This one is pretty.
  9. 0utf0xZer0
    2011-10-24 04:26
    On Last Exile:
    Hmmm… the female heavy nature of Last Exile’s cast didn’t but me (probably because I still haven’t seen the original, not getting enough sleep as is), but some of the character quirks and personalities did. It honestly feels like the writers assume that giving characters quirks is going to make it popular with the moe crowd not matter how much the half-ass it, which honestly strikes me as a really bad assumption to make. Remember, Nessa didn’t save Fractale. The setting is enough to drive my interest though.

    (edit: Watched episode two shortly after writing that… starting to think that maybe I need to see the original to make sense of what’s happening.)

    On Macross Frontier and K-On!:
    I think Otaku tend to see the launch of big, “blockbuster” titles as a cause for celebration and see spending money as part of it – kind of like people who will decide to go all out for a night and spend $90 – I’ve had coworkers who do that. The point of the Macross Frontier connection is that I think it points to Infinite Stratos being much more of a highly anticipated “blockbuster” than most English speaking fans give it credit for – Frontier sold great and looked spectacular, so the first independent outing of the team behind it might have been perceived as a major event.

    And when I say people were pumped for K-On!, it means I think that it also had that kind of hype surrounding it. Kyoto’s sheer meme creation power – witness “Don’t Say Lazy”,” Azu-nyan”, and “Moe moe kyun” – helped out a lot there.

    On Mashiro-iro Symphony:
    I actually like Manglobe’s artstyle in this one. Granted, the original art is much better – Izumi Tsubasa being a favourite artist of mine – but that’s always the case.

    On C3:
    I see Fear as being merely flat chested rather than truly loli. Granted, I’m also prone to selective blindness when it comes to loli fanservice (Ro-kyu-bu comes to mind… barely noticed it).

    On Infinite Stratos’ ending:
    My main issue with it is simply that the writers didn’t have the balls to carry one plot thread through to its logical conclusion. You’ll see what I mean if you make it that far in.

    On Boku was Tomodachi:
    Watched episode 3 – going to get my girlfriend to read me lines from eroge now.

    Before I launch into my thoughts on episode three, perhaps I should mention why I didn’t care much for the first two.

    One problem is that I’m not fond of intra-harem rivalry. It’s worth noting that my favourite anime love triangle – Kana and Akiko in Iriya no Sora, UFO no Natsu – is my favourite precisely because the girls end up befriending each other through rivalry. I doubt that’s going to happen here, at least not with the sort of sincerity that Kana and Akiko expressed.

    Now, I’m usually willing to cute harem comedies some slack on this front if the provide a convincing “for the lulz” defense, and the first couple episodes actually mount an okay one – some of the humour was pretty mean-spirited, and in fact drew some laughs for precisely that reason. Still, the result was kind of lackluster.
    Episode 3 improved my impressions but it’s still a mixed bag. On one hand, the show dangled some potentially interesting plot threads. On the other hand, the style of the show doesn’t exactly strike me as conducive to good drama. Granted, I would never have guessed how good the Charlotte arc in Infinite Stratos would be from the first few episodes, but this reminds me more of say, the case of Ayase in Ore no Imouto. When she was introduced, I thought the show was going to use her in plotlines exploring the interfacing of otaku and mundanes. And indeed her arc delivered that, but instead of further developing that idea, they flanderized her into a yandere in subsequent appearances.

    Kobato reminds me a lot of Kuroneko with the gothloli otaku act, however, like Kuroneko she didn’t leave a very good first impression. Kuroneko struck me as (excuse my language) a pretentious little bitch when introduced, but the series then humanized her by showing her mischevious side and how she’s nice to her sisters, to the point where she became my favourite. Kobato is too much of a helpless shut in to appeal at the moment – we’ll see if she improves.

    Also, regarding Inori from Guilty Crown… I’ll just say that while I actually liked the singing in outrageous costumes in episode one, she kind of falls flat in episode two. There are submissive girls in anime I like, but they tend to be more like Ame from Denpa Teki na Kanojo:
    Spoiler for Denpa Teki na Kanojo quote:

    And she claims that he was her king in a previous life. In other words, if we were talking shy girls, Ame would be Kotomi to Inori's Sunako.
  10. Last Sinner
    2011-10-22 22:29
    Last Sinner
    My main concern with the Last Exile sequel is that it may have caved in too much to the moe crowd. The original Last Exile is my fave anime of all time. And one major reason was the depth of that cast. Claus was a nice person whose dreamy nature was infectuous, Alex was a classic example of 'dead man walking' doing the necessary thing and Dio was a great mix of fantasy catalyst character tropes and bishie qualities. While Lavie was a spunk, Alvis was charming and Sophia was damn inspiring. It was a balanced cast. This time Dio is the only male in sight that gets reasonable airtime. Clearly Gonzo need it to sell in the domestic market, but I worry they might have gone too far. Plus the original Last Exile took at least 5 episodes for the story to kick in/reveal its true nature. It's too early to say whether the story for this one has enough steam for it to last 2 seasons.

    I can't imagine the idea of someone being pumped going into a K-ON! episode - how is that possible?! I consider it the very definition of tryptophan. However, that is quite plausible for Angel Beats. Still, 9/10 of the reason I saw that show through was Yuri. I identified with her and admired her role despite the fact she was never going to be the love interest.

    I thought Frontier was merely the 1980 Macross version redone with modern art styles and character tropes? Lynn Minmay and Ranka Lee are effectively the same person! But styled to suit their time.

    Hey, silly works. It's working great for Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai. As for endings - anime has always struggled with good endings.

    As for your reply to the season in geenral:

    - Shy girls really irritate me. At least the way they're overdone in anime. And Wandering Son lacked the impact/warmth Aoi Hana had for me. But yeah, like I said in my blog - it does come down to what makes you feel good the most as well as interested. What's doing it for me is that most motivational/follow your dream shows are very shounen-like. Chihayafuru isn't and it's got the kind of character development I crave. And anyone who's looked over my anime list and my fave characters quickly realises I love my strong, spunky females - within reason.
    - If Mashiroiro had the visuals up to scratch, I'd watch it. A good moe/VN show has to be pretty. manglobe really failed on the visuals. I just can't get that moe feeling. C3 is just full of every character type and voice style I despise. Plus lol-oriented service makes me want to hit the hotdial button to Chris Hansen.
    - Well, you got my point on the Kotomi/Sakuno comparison then. Kotomi had an edge because her somewhat head-in-the-clouds nature was then countered by her genius and eclectic nature. Kotomi was a well costructed character, whereas ones like Sakuno just don't have an edge.
    - For me, Boku wa Tomodachi has the hooks I've wanted from a show of its genre for years! It makes me laugh, gives me service in a way I don't feel guilty or cheap, has properly established character relationships I can believe and is trying to be anything other than generic. I think you need to watch Episode 3. It really ramps things up. Remember what Triple_R said in his PM about some aspects of Infinite Stratos? The 3rd episode utterly nails those aspects and then some. Episode 3 sets Boku wa Tomodachi apart from the pretenders. Plus Kodaka's younger sister, Kobato, appears in this episode - and she seems to meet most of your preferences, plus she's voiced by Kana Hanazawa.

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