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Originally Posted by Dezo
True enough...what I meant was, does it still make a difference if the lawyer is a member of their client's group--be it race, gender, religion, politics, etc.? Does the fact that a lawyer is a "hired gun," as it were, override what considerations might otherwise be considered to apply. For example, would Jenny say that if her group was being represented in a legal forum where a lawyer had to speak for them, that that lawyer would himself or herself need to be Asian? Or even more narrowly, someone who themselves was an Asian student at UBC during undergrad years? Or does that all become irrelevant, the lawyer considered more like the choice of words instead of the choice of speaker?
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It's an interesting question. I recall discussion somewhere once about this, when I was volunteering at lot with the Resource Groups (and activists) at my university: some people thought that the advocate would indeed
need to match and believe in what the group is representing, since in that case they've become the "face" of the movement, and it could possibly be damaging to have a face that doesn't match the people. Now, how
narrow that definition has to be may vary. Would it be enough that the advocate themselves were Asian/Chinese? Or would they need to have closer ties?
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Having slept 12 hours straight and consumed something other than coffee/tea/coke/alcohol in maybe um 30 hours....
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@_@ What were you
doing during that whole time!?!?!
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Originally Posted by yui
Dc, despite all your protesting, your panelling is brilliant. On more than a few pages, I think it's better than some of the stuff that's published by professionals. Page 7 is my favourite, but the lift scene was awesome :3 (I did miss the symbolism of the spinning camera angle tho - in my defence, it was some time past 3am when I downloaded it :P) That you're not afraid of using different angles with demanding perspectives is a huge plus.
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*blush* Thank you kindly, yui ^^. I'm glad to get feedback from my respect lawyer-artist friend!
(I'm glad Page 7 turned out okay, I'm a little peeved at myself for the ambiguity on the page, but eh, I handed it in already to be marked so that's done ^^;; Never satisfied with my own work!).
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Originally Posted by yui
Psychologically, is it not more persuasive to have someone advocate a position that they generally won't be perceived as having a stake in? Assuming Speak isn't a clown just out for fame, and has spoken on various topics, I would have thought that his/her image is that of the 'neutral advocate'* without an obvious affiliation with other lobbyists.
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It's true, as one of the characters in the comic suggests, having that neutral supporter may go over better with otherwise uninvolved people. But as to what Jenny is alluding to, if we assume something about Speak, it might make the situation look a little different:
Imagine if Speak were a white man. In this case, it would be a white man speaking on behalf of all those who would be
most heavily impacted by affirmative action--that is, minority, non-white races. Historically, the voice of minority races has constantly being under attack, whether actively (by shutting down places where minorities have voice or by deliberate railroading their attempts or failing to help them find times to speak) or inadvertently (for instance, writing a book about a character of a minority race in an attempt to make white people aware of minority problems), by those who have socially been handed positions of privilege and power--the white people. So people like Jenny argue that having Speak talk for them in this instance is actually
furthering the historical racism and discrimination rather than
combating it, which is actually the opposite of what Speak himself would want!
Because in the comic we don't know
what race or gender or nationality Speak is, the above-mentioned example doesn't
exactly hold true, but the implications are still there and still problematic, at least in Jenny's view.
(I personally am a bit more mixed on the issue
. This is literally one part of what I spent my entire term arguing and discussing about in a class of 60 smart people, so there's so many things involved in speaking for others that I couldn't possibly fit it all into a 14 page comic @_@)
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Originally Posted by TarmaHartley
*Skateboards in, does a wheelie* WUHOO--How's THAT for an entrance, ladies and gents?
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Originally Posted by TarmaHartley
[Have to blame deathcurse for this one: she extended an invitation in the Christmas card she sent us.]
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I legitimately laughed and clapped when I saw who finally joined us!
I happily take the
blame credit for this
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Hi Tarma, nice to meet you!
I admit, I did read your GrimGrimoire fic long ago when it was posted, but I shamefully admit I have not gotten around to reviewing it yet
. I did really enjoy it!
Sadly, I don't follow many of the series you write about
, and plus, I'm more of a yuri-fangirl
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Welcome to our little spot on the web! It's always exciting to see more people/friends join us
...on the dark side
. We have cookies!
