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<looks at T3, Salvation and Genysis> Little bit late for that sentiment, ain't it? Still letting Skynet come to power kinda invalidates the ending of T2 as well.

I can understand doing the soft reboot instead of trying to continue with the mess the franchise was after those three movies. I mean, Genysis already tried to reboot the timeline.

BTW, if you didn't like Khaleesi as Sarah Connor, I'm not sure that you'll like the new female main protagonist. She's pretty much on the smaller scale of persons.

T3 didn't kill John Connor (that's a plus)
TS didn't kill John Connor (that's a plus)
TG killed JC but at least the movie used him for a more entertaining purpose (that's bad but still entertaining)
meanwhile.....
TDF killed JC only to rehash him & Sarah's characters with a petit not-Connor girl (that's like a bigger middle finger than what TG did).

Also, letting Skynet rise is not a bad thing for the narrative coz humanity will eventually win like Kyle Reese said and that's also the ending of T1, the best-written movie in the whole franchise. What T2 did is screwing the established causality. If they truly stopped Judgement Day by sending T-800 to the melting metal, Kid-John should've been disappeared after Arnold's thumb-up melted. But he didn't disappear. That means Judgement Day will still happen eventually anyway. The original mission for the Connors is to survive the Judgement Day anyway, not to stop it. Surprisingly T3's ending is more faithful to the excellent T1.

I'm not even going to try to argue the time travel rules for the Terminator franchise, because they are pretty screwed up. The whole timeline causality thing like in Back to the Future is, apparently, not in effect here, anyway.

And, sorry, I am not wed to John Connor as a main protagonist. The kid was pretty annoying in retrospect and adult John Connor was completely "meh" in terms of how Christian Bale portrayed him. The new young lady is pretty good by the end of the movie. And they explain well that Sarah and John and Arnienator did indeed end that original time line. The problem is, Skynet had already by that point sent a few more Terminators to make sure that they got John in the end. I guess it was kinda vindictive or really believed in multiple redundancy.

As for Skynet, there's a replacement. And humanity is fighting organized in that new future, as they did in the original two. Also, the way we get there is much more in line with how modern technology works nowadays than with "and then atomic bombs", given how that option would have ended with a nuclear winter where everybody would have starved to death.

I like this movie. I like it quite a lot, actually.

Anyway, two and a half hours until I'm off to Paraguay. Don't expect too much communication from me until I am back on Thursday, 14th of November , since I probably only will be checking the group from my mobile phone when I'm at my mothers and I haaaaate typing long messages on that tiny keyboard.

John was not the best kid while growing up, and he was a dick in the movie. But, Edward Furlong pulled it off very well as a child with very little parental supervision. It probably helps that in real life, he too was from a broken home, and thus enabled a better performance in the role.

Moreover, we did not get cringy lines from him, and considering the dialogues he had with Arnold, Edward Furlong acted appropriately for his age. Dani Ramos' "I am tired of running, we will stand and fight" bit was cringy, half-assed, and unconvincing as hell. When I heard that line delivered, I laughed my ass off thinking she must be on something.

Also, T2 had the decency of not having John Connor operate any weapons on-screen, as that would have been as cringy and utterly unbelievable. The most he ever done was to reload weapons for Ahnoldnator and Sarah. Little Dani here goes on full commando, picking up something half her size and try to convince audiences that the recoil won't knock her out cold.

It is also worth noting that James Cameron derided Alien 3 for overwriting his original ending for Aliens. Well, guess what was done here?

I can't believe I am saying this, but Salvation was the only Terminator film to offer a bit of originality after T2. That's kind of sad...

All I wanted was a good future war.

As far as sequels go, Salvation was the only one with potential.
But they keep rehashing the time travel bit over and over again.

Heck a story about Arnold as a terminator living a life as a normal human as the primary focus would be a story I would so go and watch. Dark Fate, meh.

The Future War path is probably the only path left for Terminator at this point, which can kick ass, especially with Cameron's direction. but we'd have to disregard Salvation in the process, which is something I don't mind.

As it stands, Terminator movies after Judgement Day became pretty much a parody of itself. Despite my rankings for Terminator movies, I really did not enjoy anything that came after T2 as anything else than something to kill time with, which is kind of sad considering my prior sentiments for T2.

And despite my misgivings for Salvation, it was the only Terminator movie that actually did something original...

It did not have lasers, thus it loses immediately. ^^

^ Absolutely FACTZ!

With a Z!

Speaking of which, OJ Simpson was originally considered by Paramount to be the first Terminator, but he was apparently not believable as a stone-cold killer...

Ahem...

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, this is how Dark Fate fuck shit up:


It's practically TFW & TLJ fusion of the Terminator franchise.

To each his own, I guess. Second time in a long time I remember disagreeing so much with Jerrmy.

Dark Fate is a rehash of T1 & T2, much like Genisys, with on-par comedic elements. I don't know how to properly 'receive' that...

Moreover, the death of John Conner left a bitter taste in my mouth, and I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around the idea of the T-800 being a family man. Worst of all, he is in the drapery business!!!

He is a very good listener and has a great sense of humor.

"I'm reliable, I'm a very good listener, and I'm extremely funny." ...

Oh man, Tim Miller maybe didn't realize that he was not directing a Deadpool movie...

I guess T2 ain't as sacrosanct for me as it aeems to be for others. It didn't make it into my top 20 movies, after all.

^ I mean, you already saw my list. I put T1 above T2 when it comes to storytelling quality as I'm well aware that T2 also fucked up some things perfectly established by T1.

That said, from all the spoilers that I heard, looks like TDF's story is a new low for me after TG. Mostly due to complete disrespect of the original story (they rendered my favorite character, Kyle Reese's sacrifice moot) but they did nothing new with it. The bankruptcy of creativity is surprising to say the least. The basic chase story & its ending is rehashed from T1 & T2. Rev 9 is pretty much combined T-800 & T-1000 with a sprinkle of Terminatrix (TX) on it. We have the T-800 who have managed to kill John Connor like in T3 an he looks older and more humane like in TG but not as fleshed out. The Grace character is a human-machine hybrid who is a less fleshed out version of Marcus from TS. Some of the action beats are copying T2. And how Rev-9 got taken out is practically rehashing the demise of TX from T3. Oh, and I heard people have a hard time relating to the new Latino John-Sarah fusion character as she has no gravity or charisma of both. Like seriously, you got rid of John for this much much inferior girl?

As for the actual action, since I haven't seen it myself, I can't judge it yet.

Mackenzie Davis is serviceable, but not extraordinary. Also, her cyborg form is flawed beyond repair. You'd have to wonder which idiot in the resistance spent all those time and money producing something so half-assed. She was going to die with or without fighting the Rev-9. Nothing in the world could sustain that junkie.

Linda Hamilton is back, but no longer as her old self for obvious reasons. I reiterate my previous comment, she looks like she was yanked out of a retirement home for this. She is simply too old for this $h!t.

Gabriel Luna is... erm... serviceable... *sigh* Look, this guy is no Robert Patrick, he is just not remotely menacing. Not even 1/10th as menacing as the original T-1000. Moreover, the Rev-9's design is utterly unoriginal.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is done, alright? Done. A T-800 with a family and talking about draperies? How the mighty has fallen.

Natalia Reyes... BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Terminator as a film ran on a simple plot. It was just not meant to be made into a franchise. You can only have the same crap rehashed so many times. It should have ended with two. All that 'fate is what you make' in T2 drilled into our heads and then they made this one... WTF, Paramount.

Also, beware that in the first 15 minute or so, if you did not arrive the theaters on time, you'd think you are watching a Mexican movie...

Eh, I did like Natalia Reyes just fine. You guys have an anti-small person bias.

Has nothing to do with her being small. It's her lines and acting. Her lines were terribly cringey, and her acting was stiff as a board. Ed Furlong wasn't big either, but in T2, he was more dynamic, and his interaction was believable.

That, and the scene where Sarah whispered into Dani's ears and suddenly she was Deadshot? Is that how this works? Imagining tragedy of a past event suddenly cause new abilities to sprout? That was a terrible scene. Reyes was unbelievable in that scene, and I laughed, even though I wasn't supposed to.

It worked for me and I liked her acting.