During the old debate about whether or not Miho was justified in saving her teammates, you stepped in and defended Sumeragi when that she contended that Miho's actions were not justified. In and of itself, that is not the crux of the issue, but rather, it was your insinuations, that are problematic.
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Stop getting emotional. It irritates me and I don't like feeling any emotion of any kind. Calm, cold, rational analysis shows that this young girl may not have made the right decision. People's opinions of an ancillary character (Shiho) based on their personal interpretations of that one instance have people acting uncivilized to actual human beings. Think about that, opinions about a show have got people acting poorly, and irrationally, towards other real persons.
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The only two people who were getting emotional in that thread were you and Sumeragi. A calm,
objective and rational analysis shows that this young girl
in fact, made a decision consistent were her character as a capable commander. The circumstances simply were presented as such to give Miho a reason to transfer to Ooarai and start the events of
Girls und Panzer. Further to this, people's opinions of an ancillary character were not uncivilized, it was only because Sumeragi stepped in and blatantly insulted everyone who disagreed with her, where things escalated. It was most certainly not opinions of the show that caused people to become riled up. Similarly, if you're interested in a well-written discussion on Shiho, I invite you to read
this article.
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Keep in mind that the people you are discussing (remember, discussion, not debate) are likely (maybe!) for all intents and purposes fully grown adults with jobs, education and perhaps leadership roles in various organizations. Let's not presume anyone is stupid here or is missing something obvious.
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Most of the people participating in the thread were indeed adults with an occupation. Those individuals clearly stated their positions, and obtained the evidence to defend their arguments. No one is presumed anything about the discussion's other participants. Ironically, by adding this statement into the mix, you affirm that Sumeragi's arguments are completely outmatched: there would be no need to remind people to stick only to attacking an idea if Sumeragi had indeed been using civilized, reasoned discussion. That clearly was not the case: during the whole of that particular discussion, it was only Sumeragi who resorted to insulting the other participants. For that, she received more evidence contrary to her position, leading her to resort to this gem:
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"I actually am in such a position, and loved for it. Sorry if reality is not as soft as some people think it to be, which is indeed true childishness. My occupation merges ruthlessness with situation awareness, and I've always been one to pick up the burden. That's why the those working for me follow my lead."
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Take a good look: is that not true childishness? I suppose reality is too tough for our
onee-sama to handle, then. Because the strength of her arguments has proven completely inadequate, Sumeragi resorts to fabricating credentials in attempt to bolster the worth of her arguments. All of this comes across as being immensely hilarious in retrospect; I joined AS much later and came across this argument only recently. Having seen
Girls und Panzer, I was never much of a Shiho fan until the movie, where she has shown considerable honour and integrity, becoming someone who is presented as a respectable person and parent. Had Sumeragi actually maintained some semblance of civility and politeness, she would be still around to learn that her perspectives on Shiho weren't so far off. Instead, her chronic lies about her station and occupation, coupled with an incomplete, half-baked and biased knowledge of history, resulted in her (well-deserved) absence from discussions about
Girls und Panzer: Der Film. I suppose that if either you or Sumeragi are interested in talking about the (now finished) movie,
you may do so here. That particular blog's author is a rather open-minded and friendly individual: if you and Sumeragi choose to partake, you both might do to take a leaf or two from his page.