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Goblins are bad monsters and Goblin Slayer kills them. Naofumi is a hero summoned from another world to save it. And he gets accused of rape and absolutely no one believes him or listens to his side of the story. I've read the novels so I don't need you to explain to me why they don't believe him, I'm just saying that those two situations aren't equivalent at all. Quote:
People can only make judgments about the anime that they see. It might all make sense 5 episodes down to the line but that isn't going to change your feelings right now. So it's annoying to be told that "you aren't allowed to dislike the episode because of stuff that happens later on". On the other hand, some people are making big snap judgments about anime, presuming grand statements about the writing and "social issues" based on things that intentionally haven't been explained. So that's annoying for people on the other side. |
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As far as the core problem (I care most about) that the relationship of slave and slave-master has too many limitations on plot moving forward, I have no solution, yet. But I do have a plausible hypothetical reason for choosing her over anyone else: Fear and Acute Paranoia. He hates the world, but is very afraid of the world, and not just the monster outside, but the towns people too, the king, etc, but he also needs the world. (I think everyone here agrees up to this part). In the case of the girl, a way to look at it is that for all his poker face he's actually very afraid of all the slaves there, and also afraid of the slaves backstabbing him (even with the slave seal thing), so presumably he wants her because even with out the slave seal he's confident of beating her. Of course under the assumption he's afraid of her too, to an extent. Morally this fear & paranoia explanation does actually make him a worse person, but on the bright side it does fix the narrative forcefulness. But again, it does not fix the problem with the relationship being shit for the story going forward; though if we were to consider it to be he's afraid of her it does make it (very) slightly less shitty (but only a little bit). |
It gets flak because it's tone deaf in a post #MeToo era (WHICH BTW, WAS ALSO TRENDING HARD IN JAPAN)
men getting away with sexual harassment is a BIGGER issue than men getting falsely accused. Yes, Shield Hero was written before that, but the problem hasn't gone away. "Member of J-Pop Girl Group NGT48 Apologizes for Discussing Assault" https://www.billboard.com/articles/n...yamaguchi-maho This is something that happened recently, and this is why when Shield Hero does this kind of thing it rightfully annoys people. |
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A child may be cheaper, but you have a sickly raccoon slave girl who doesn't look like she's held a weapon in her life and, for all you know, will get scared and freeze up in a life-or-death situation when you are going out to fight monsters. This means you have to micromanage her health, the cost of feeding her, her training, and all of that jazz when you have a month or less until you're thrown into a situation like the Wave. Now, judging from the opening we know she's not going to stay that way, but Naofumi doesn't so that means he means he's taking on all of that extra burden and overpowering her isn't an issue for her or any slave in this series because of what they do to them. The logic in that doesn't pan out if this series is going to take that seriously unless she was literally the only slave he had available in Naofumi's price range. Second, again, stop pushing Goblin Slayer into this. It's a different premise, with a different theme, in a different genre, and different driving factors. If you're going to defend something in this series and plot, then do so on its own merits or even in its own genre rather than trying to link two incompatible series. You'd have more grounds to do so if you compared to In Another World with a Smartphone than Goblin Slayer. Third, having someone die isn't what makes a plot either. I never mentioned that either, so I can only assume its another reference to Goblin Slayer. Quote:
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Actually this "she's only a weapon carry" works even better then my previous theory. (He should just swing her around lol) |
DId episode 2 air already?
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Good post. This more or less where I am at with Naofumi. I get his trust issues, but I can't say I like every desicion he makes because of it. To be charitable to the writing maybe I wasn't supposed to, but without acknowledgement of issue in-universe it hard to say what the intent is there. It makes him a hard character for me to behind before the whole thing came up. |
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I think he is going to buy her either because she's cheap, or to save her, or because he casually discovers she has some kind of special ability useful to him. |
The animal girl romance cliche' aside; the author has Raphtalia there as a demonstration that despite his anger and such, Naofumi still has not lost his humanity and is intrinsically still someone that will protect others in need, a build off of the 'saving his brother' bit introduced early in the first episode. He also sees a bit of his situation in hers. Both have been screwed over by a world that apparently hates them unfairly simply for whom and what they are. He is fully aware that the girl has no combat experience and may be a waste of his funds, but does so despite that knowledge. Not the actions of the monster he is supposed to be to others.
The fear is not of the world but of additional betrayals. It's not paranoia if you know the other guy is out to get you, something that has so far been totally proven fact by all but the Weapons Merchant. But yeah, essentially those two components, in addition to anger and another unrevealed but hinted at related issue are what are driving him currently. |
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As for the slavery part, there is an easy test on whether it is plot-driven or fetish-driven. If the slave girl does not fall in love with her owner, it is plot driven. People who have a slave fetish want romance (or at least sex), not just a good working relationship.
The plot requires that the hero gets a damage dealer so he can level up and survive long enough to return to his own world. A love affair would actually get in the way of that. So let's wait and see. If the slave girl falls in love with the hero, it is just another slave fetish isekai. It's not like we did not see one of those last year too, only with more boobs. You can guess what my bet is already from the fact that he doesn't pick a male. But let's wait until the anime gives the answer. If I'm proven wrong, I'll not only admit it here in the forum, but I also promise to buy the whole series of novels. |
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What herbalist? Were they part of the first episode or is that down the line? I only saw the weapons guy and the slave master giving Naofumi support in this episode. And there is another reason the author has the slavery thing, though it is a bit of a deus ex machina device introduced several volumes in or so. I know this changes later, but currently as far as Naofumi is concerned, everyone is his enemy with very few exceptions, the two we have seen so far both surprising him since he had no expectations that anyone would help given circumstances so far. I have no idea where you see a fetish here. If you mean cliche', as in a common plot device, it would be more of an appropriate term. Fetish has a totally different connotation that does so not apply in this series. |
When Naofumi discovered he could increase the potency of herbs, he bought to some clerk in the scene to sell it for cash. Unlike with last merchwnt or the thugs this guy treated him fairy without incident.
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Well the first merchant did spread the word not to mess with the shield hero.
Anyway, looking at the wikipedia entry. Written by Aneko Yusagi Illustrated by Minami Seira I'm not a master at Japanese, but I'm fairly sure those are woman names. ...And of course I can't just walk into a discussion about this show without someone invoking metoo. |
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