Not just the ball. The whole city (lights) came into existence in front of him.
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Ah yes. I mentioned it earlier but didn't go into detail: Kengo and Masato's reaction to Kyousuke's "If only this could continue forever." They looked shocked, Kengo even looked angry. It was subtle but it was there. That's something that only makes sense after reading Refrain.
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Rewatching the episode with subs, and... wow, Mazui-UTW put giant spoilers in the OP lyrics XD
>itsuka kujiketa sono hi no mukou made >until you can move on past the day we'll have died |
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Dunno if I may be wrong but at the beginning it seemed that Masato was already expecting Kyousuke to arrive. |
Mio's shadow in the OP is really going to bother me. Maybe we can assume it's her end-of-route self? It's the only way I can write it off. :heh:
Also the Warner producer tweeted that a "certain girl" was hidden in the first episode... http://i.imgur.com/1eJMM.jpg I love all the nods and bits of service they're throwing to the VN players, reminds me of when iM@S was airing. |
Didn't notice that one. Thanks for posting it.
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Okay so, speculations about episode 2! From the preview it seems to be Komari-centric, with the meeting on the rooftop and inviting her to join the team. Do you think they'll be introducing one character per episode like this? For reference, the game introduced the heroines in the order of Haruka>Komari>Kurugaya>Kud>Mio. But the OP suggests the order of the routes will follow Komari>Mio, so maybe Mio will be introduced earlier. Also worth considering the order in which they were recruited, which is Komari>Kurugaya>Haruka>Kud>Mio. Next character to be introduced? Could really be anyone. Kurugaya is next on the team, Mio is probably the next route, Haruka was the first introduced, and Kud could fit in nicely after Komari's baseball practice. It's anyone's game.
I expect battle rankings to make their appearance after the baseball practice this episode. Oh shenanigans! If they have time maybe they'll introduce one of the other characters too. I definitely expect that they'll be showing the scene with Rin and her cats this episode, along with the beginning of Rin's quest to discover the secret of the world. Either that or the introduction of a new character would be a great place to end the episode. As for the reveal of Riki's narcolepsy, it's anyone's guess where they'll fit that in. Maybe they just wanted to reveal it in a less crude way than the Visual Novel,revealing it when it turns out to be relevant to the plot instead of just throwing it at the reader during Riki's self dialogue. |
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You know, when the whole school's kitchen staff goes AWOL? Arty |
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There are interviews for each of the main seiyuu (sans Mio's, unfortunately) up on the main site, and Suzuki Keiko mentions that Haruka will be appearing from episode 3 on. That shot of Mio in episode 1 makes me believe she'll be introduced soon even though she appeared kind of late in the common route. No idea about the others, but I'd like to see Kurugaya introduced around the same time as Haruka since they're with each other a lot. As for route order, perhaps least magic to most magic? Komari -> Haruka -> Mio -> Kud -> Kurugaya. Going from the "wtf" at the end of Kurugaya's route to Rin2 and Refrain would be a nice transition IMO. Introducing battle rankings next episode would make sense, but I still wonder how they're going to do it. Showing the ranking screen game-style like ep1's "No-con" would get old fast. In any case, we need Mask the Saito or the anime won't be complete! Also baseball practice, who wants to see cat abuse and picnic crashing? :D Quote:
Edit @ Arturia - Doesn't look like a kitchen though... And wasn't the first mission getting rid of bugs on a tree? Come to think of it, if they show that next episode won't it be kind of obvious that Spoiler for .:
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Nah, the order is pretty much like that in the game, it's not obvious at all. Not sure about the handkerchief, maybe that's an anime-only scene. My guess is cleaning up the clubroom.
EDIT: Yeah, derp. You see the note wrapped around lennon's tail in the preview, so that 100% confirms Rin's cat scene in the next episode, along with the commencement of the secret of the world quest. And I looked into it, the first noted instance of Riki's narcolepsy is after Kurugaya's first baseball practice. On the way back he has an attack, and wakes up later in his bed with Kyousuke by his side. If there's anywhere they're gonna introduce it, I bet it will be there. They could do it at the end of next episode if they wanted, after Komari's first baseball practice. Also, in light of that new info, I'm guessing they'll introduce a character an episode. |
I think it's because we already know.
They could perfectly fit 2 missions in one episode, specially since it's just the original quintet doing the missions... This way they might be planning to do Rin1 first... I agree it doesn't look like a kitchen... it was just a thought. Besides it's night time... Arty |
I wouldn't say this confirms Rin1 first... It depends how they choose to handle the repetitions.
EDIT: Oh god I feel like an idiot! It was being waved right in front of my face, literally! You can see the note wrapped around Lennon's tail at the start of the preview. How did that escape my notice this whole time? ^^; No need for speculation, that confirms it. EDIT2: Also, perhaps the Rin handkerchief thing is her encountering the mysterious lifeform? It's possible. So, to revise. Things that will definitely happen next episode: Komari on the rooftop Komari joining the Little Busters + Baseball Practice Rin and her cats + The secret of the world quest commencement Things that might happen next episode: Battle Rankings commencement Mysterious Lifeform Reveal of Riki's Narcolepsy |
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I'll be looking forward to Haruka's appearance. How many episodes do you guys think the common route will be? I think that the common route will be 5-6 episodes minimum ahaha;; |
Personally I hope the common route will be spread throughout the show, interspersed between heroine routes. A hard reset everytime would seem too jarring and obvious (unlike in the VN where players don't suspect it). It would be more subtle if the world gets reset multiple times in the background, just that different scenes are shown with occasional continuity inconsistencies or hints thrown in for anime viewers to speculate on (or declare as bad writing :p).
I originally thought the baseball match had to be put at the end for this to work, but that idea about multiple matches works even better. |
I think I remember reading somewhere that Key got a brilliant idea on how to incorporate the separate routes, which was one of the reasons why they didn't rush to make an adaptation because they were still puzzled on how to handle this issue until then. It was quite long ago though so I forgot where I read it and if I remember it right.
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There's a preview at the end of each episode, and there is this.
The text, in summary, says Riki found Komari on the roof, told her about the recruitment. She took Kyousuke's entrance test. Meanwhile, Rin found a letter that was tied to one of the cats. |
I looked through youtube for the OP, and I just have to say:
What the heck. Why did they leave the sentimental middle part? The one with "kira minna onaji yume no iteita...." It was a satisfying valley of emotion for me that ascends into a high note afterwards, almost reflecting the flow of the story itself, from happiness to a downward spiral to the eventual triumph. And nice job blatantly revealing Midori folks. :heh: |
I just noticed something about the opening. (I'll upload a screen shot later)
Lennon is on top of Kyousuke head (as in he created him) and the black cat is the old cat that Rin takes care of before it dies. Btw, I thought Dorji was a lot bigger (at least 4 ft tall) but I guess I was wrong? Quote:
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They didn't really spoil anything, at least that anyone would notice in the OP. I mean look at the ending of the OP, it's basically the very end of the game, the whole group leaving school together to go to the beach. Midori is not that recognizable in comparison to Mio, I doubt a single anime only viewer will catch on to that she's a separate character in the OP before she's introduced actually in the show.
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This will be full of win if they animate the muscle sensation!
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But there was a nice symbolism there, Midori surrounded by shadows, possibly seemingly emerging from the shadow of the canopy. Also, I looked into the ED, and while the foreshadowing you all interpreted is nice and all, there's just one tiny detail they might've intentionally left out: Kengo's not wearing the jumper. |
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...and while Midori's existence will be practically unknown to the anime-watchers, her expression WILL soon come as a bit mysteriously unfitting as soon as the common route for Mio engages. Also... I STILL think it was a bad idea to use shadows in the OP. Especially with Mio around. |
(I'm not sure if this is the right thread to post so if someone could point me in the correct direction, please feel free.)
Okay, I bit the bullet. Slightly. I asked for a Skype mini-stream of part of an episode, to see how it was. Now as I stated in my Clannad anime review, I'm not too keen on perfect adaptations. This particular instance I'm highlighting below is a decent example of how one doesn't perfectly adapt. Now to game veterans, think of this scene as something you view without having ever read the novel at all. Put yourself in the shoes I crafted in simulacrum for myself, and let us walk through the scene. Spoiler for Blatantly long post:
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... let's see... I do agree with most of your post: things that could have done in a long 4 minutes have been portrays in those small, yet detailed descriptions of Masato being so muscular. However, like the anime-watchers, we don't really catch that at first glance, until you realize it in Refrain... when you realize the "secret of the world"... and I think that's what those details sound to me IMO. Even the ED Alicemagic portrays the same feeling. They could have added some bonus points for being a VN player, but I think they're either holding back... or have a weak budget. IMO, they should up the budget. I think the risk is worth it, IMO; it still a rather big source of meme from the already-Japanese-popular NND... maybe Nichijou's financial performance had something to do with how the budget for LB! turned out, since Nichijou was quite popular in NND but had low financial reception... for rather obvious reasons that anime company financial analysts could easily miss. |
Someone threw the idea of multiple baseball matches...
That's a brilliant idea. You can avoid having the resets and you can also go ahead and have moar training, which shows that Rin grows and stuff. I'm not for a perfect anime adaption, I'm happy seeing the crew getting animated. Arty |
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I have another thought. In discussions about the anime - especially if that particular point in the animation hasn't been reached yet - the name of the true route, Refrain, shouldn't be written, even in passing. I feel like the word by itself has a connotation that clues in the observant to the real nature of the story, however vague it might seem at first. One meaning of refrain is "a regularly recurring, repeating phrase or verse..." (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary) Just something to remember, in my opinion for the benefit of any newcomers.
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Wise words balzac-kun and +1 on the notion
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Future episode summaries from Newtype:
Dynamic tag cannot be rendered. (PrintableThread) Episode 2 doesn't have any info that we don't already know. Episode 3: There are still 4 more people needed for the baseball team. Kurugaya invites Riki for tea. After chatting a bit, she becomes interested in the team. However, she has a conflict with Masato and they get into a battle. Episode 4: Riki finds Komari napping on the rooftop and overhears her sleeptalking, "Onii-chan...?" Though Komari is an only child, she says she dreams about an older brother who reads her picture books. There's a mention in Animedia that Komari's route will cover episodes 4-6. That's pretty fast... At that rate, they really might be able to fit everything including Refrain in 26 episodes. So far it's: Ep 2: Komari joining the baseball team, discovering Lennon's message Ep 3: Kurugaya and Haruka's intoduction Ep 4-6: Komari's route So we'll be getting into character routes before finishing common. Right now I wouldn't be surprised if Kud and Mio aren't fully introduced until after we get done with Komari's route. It could work, if they're creative about it. Thoughts? |
Dang, I thought the reset for each heroine format would have worked out better (especially considering the long lengths of time in the Kud's route!), but it seems like an omnibus format.
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As far as starting off with Komari, I think her route was, at best, average. Four episodes in is not enough time to bond with the cast (since, I presume, the rest of the common route will be animated afterwards). Only way I can see this being salvaged is if Rin has a co-crucial role in a rewritten Komari route. Otherwise, it's going to come across as Riki helping a succession of girls with their problems when the main theme is it's really them helping him and Rin. |
3 Episodes? Well i guess that kinda confirms this is the only season were getting...damn it.
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I don't mind Komari's route kicking in in episode 4 but I am hoping that her route is not 3 episodes. I do not want to see Refrain animated until fall 2013-early 2014.
I just hope that Rin does another mission to recruit baseball members in the next episode since we may be able to see Mio (and hear her new voice) Here's a bit of speculation for the next the next few plot lines: Komari's route > Introduce Kud and Mio (but hopefully by the 1st 2 episodes of Komari's route) > Finish common route + baseball > Haruka's route > exams kick in and Kud's route > Reset If Komari's route is indeed 3 episodes, I hope that Rin1 is animated... just to ensure that Refrain is not happening this season :heh: Common route: at least 5 episodes Character routes: at least 3 episodes (x 6 characters) = 18 Total: 23 episodes. Actually on second thought, Refrain might get its own season ;__; Edit: Although the routes may be rushed, I'll be ok if Komari's route is only 3 episodes. As long as Haruka's (longest) and Rin's episodes are at least 4 episodes, I think I won't be upset with the pacing. |
If you go by that then yeah refrain probably wont get the after story treatment. It'll be 3 episodes just like the other routes sadly. Which will not end well.
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