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Vena 2012-06-24 12:09

So that's how you give Zessica and Kagura a "satisfying ending"... by making them suddenly act like different people. I see. :heh:

bastek66 2012-06-24 12:09

http://i.minus.com/j9f5TI4iw21rr.jpg
Shitwriting but hey, it was enjoyable.

ZetaAEUG 2012-06-24 12:11

Okay so this episode seemed to be the team salvaging the mess that they made by choreographing an awesome mech battle scene. But somehow, it feels like a cop out. Mikono didn't merge Kagura and Amata nor did she merge the worlds, but I think she did some apologizing to Mykage for how Celiane 'stole' Apollonius from him. Kagura's sudden change in personality and his cooperativeness was jarring. The same could be said for Zessica, she suddenly reverted to being the likeable character she was pre-confession. Everyone survived though and main character got his girl, so I guess they were right when they said they made the ending with the intention of people not being butthurt.

On its own I'd say it's a good episode, but seeing as how bad the rest of EVOL was, it feels more like an apology than anything.

Shinji103 2012-06-24 12:13

I haven't seen the episode yet, but from what everyone is saying AmataxMikono is solidified? How solidified? Like kiss, or just hug?

Either way, I went into this series hoping for an AmataxMikono ending, so if that's what we got, I'm satisfied enough.

mixordia 2012-06-24 12:13

I think Kawamori wanted to please everyone, his main characters have never been so criticized in his previous works, but at the same time, he don't want change his plans... Then he made a happy ending for his favorite couple, but didn't kill the public's favorite characters, Kagura and Zessica ...


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Originally Posted by Shinji103 (Post 4222315)
I haven't seen the episode yet, but from what everyone is saying AmataxMikono is solidified? How solidified? Like kiss, or just hug?

Either way, I went into this series hoping for an AmataxMikono ending, so if that's what we got, I'm satisfied enough.


No they survive in the end. Nobody dies or solidifies.

mayumi 2012-06-24 12:15

This shit was waste of my time. seriously.

Winged_Memories 2012-06-24 12:16

Well I was pretty pleased with the episode shipping wise but still the back of my mind was like *REALLY?? OMG REALLY??* I know someone that isn't going to be happy about this but MEH I wont spoil it for them LOL

Mangaka-chan 2012-06-24 12:17

Uh, there's going to be a movie? o_0 Do I smell recap?

ZetaAEUG 2012-06-24 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinji103 (Post 4222315)
I haven't seen the episode yet, but from what everyone is saying AmataxMikono is solidified? How solidified? Like kiss, or just hug?

Either way, I went into this series hoping for an AmataxMikono ending, so if that's what we got, I'm satisfied enough.

Amata x Mikono is as solidified as Hikaru x Hayase or even better Max x Millia from Macross. It's undeniable now that Mikono was only interested in Amata, it seems. Kagura and Zessica both have a sudden, jarring change in personality and both of them now support their relationship. However, they (Zess and Kagura) don't interact with each other much in the episode, aside from being 'friends'. Don't let the avid shippers tell you otherwise.

Vena 2012-06-24 12:18

Now I know why they dragged out the confession since Ep.19... because the plot wouldn't have worked otherwise. :heh:

Also, I like how we just went complete on FULFILL FATE! with Amata being overlayed on Apollo, Mikono with Sylvia. I like when themes completely reverse in one episode (along with characters, who the hell was the red headed guy? Kagura must have died last episode and been replaced). :heh:

LastOrder 2012-06-24 12:18

Unpopular opinion. I actually had no problem with the love story told here. I actually like Mikono and Amata. Not my favorite characters, but I love those two regardless.

And besides.

Not like Sylvia was any better with her brother complex.

raziel12 2012-06-24 12:20

i was right i knew zessica was going to end up with kagura yessss lol

Vena 2012-06-24 12:21

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Originally Posted by raziel12 (Post 4222333)
i was right i knew zessica was going to end up with kagura yessss lol

That's not what happened. Zessica is pretty unhappy in the ending, look at her expression in the group photo. There is no Kagura/Zessica ending.

Shinji103 2012-06-24 12:22

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Originally Posted by mixordia (Post 4222316)
No they survive in the end. Nobody dies or solidifies.

Errr, I meant "solidified" as in metaphorically. Did Amata and Mikono kiss, or was it just a hug/confession?

mixordia 2012-06-24 12:25

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Originally Posted by Vena (Post 4222334)
That's not what happened. Zessica is pretty unhappy in the ending, look at her expression in the group photo. There is no Kagura/Zessica ending.

Kagura / Zessica ending would be totally strange and weird.

ZetaAEUG 2012-06-24 12:26

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Originally Posted by raziel12 (Post 4222333)
i was right i knew zessica was going to end up with kagura yessss lol

No, stop that. In the epilogue, didn't you see how depressed Zessica was until she saw shushu and Amata/Mikono return to Vega? Still up in the air, but I think Zessica is still hung up on Amata but at least now she knows that she hasn't got a chance and is willing to move on. She didn't show much interest in Kagura.

Spoiler for group photo:

mayumi 2012-06-24 12:26

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Originally Posted by Vena (Post 4222329)
Now I know why they dragged out the confession since Ep.19... because the plot wouldn't have worked otherwise. :heh:

Also, I like how we just went complete on FULFILL FATE! with Amata being overlayed on Apollo, Mikono with Sylvia. I like when themes completely reverse in one episode (along with characters, who the hell was the red headed guy? Kagura must have died last episode and been replaced). :heh:

That's obvioulsy fighting fate cause Amata loves Mikono for who she now. Regardless of the overlap of Apollo and Silvia :p

Yeah, It is shit. Oh and Zessica can not win against fate.

Katapan 2012-06-24 12:29

> Shrade's vector crossing dimensions
Oh, maybe you're going to do it after all, Kawamori.
> ... but there are no life signs!
... lol.

In a nutshell: the shinyuu plot was nothing more than a huge tease (okay, this much is partly my fault for ever expecting such a production to go any further, but they even had a fujoshi in the cast and barely did anything with her in the end?!), big bangs were regained (seriously, what was the point? You give Andy his admirable speech and then have the big bangs come back just for show at the very end...? That doesn't serve a single purpose but to undo the character development you'd managed to achieve for at least one side character!), and I was left sorely disappointed.

I'll make sure to remember EVOL for its first half. It's just a huge shame that the resolution, which wasn't that bad per se (I did at least enjoy the Amata/Mikono final bits, but definitely not Zessica's face in the group picture...), has to be overshadowed by the fact that the series promised too many things at the beginning and obviously couldn't deliver in every aspect. I just can't help but brush off the feeling that the staff decided to set their priorities to AKB0048 halfway through and just felt like getting EVOL over with. That'll teach me to get this involved in a Kawamori series because the designs and cast were more appealing than usual. >_<

Radik 2012-06-24 12:30

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Originally Posted by Vena (Post 4222334)
That's not what happened. Zessica is pretty unhappy in the ending, look at her expression in the group photo. There is no Kagura/Zessica ending.

I noticed that as well. Her expression in that photo was definitely meant to show us she hasn't gotten over Amata at all, they wouldn't have zoomed in on her otherwise. So not quite a happy ending for her but at least she's alive I guess. At least that makes more sense than Kagura's complete change in character. I have no idea where people are getting that KaguraxZessica end by the way. As for the rest, they totally "forgot" to explain what really happened to both worlds, but who cares at this point...

miketyson 2012-06-24 12:31

So, in the end, the twist was that there is no twist. I doff my cap to you, OMG_ZERG_RUSH, and now 100% have no clue how this show made it past the drawing board stage.

Kakkou 2012-06-24 12:32

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Originally Posted by Shinji103 (Post 4222336)
Errr, I meant "solidified" as in metaphorically. Did Amata and Mikono kiss, or was it just a hug/confession?

Spoiler for SPOILERS, of course.:

bastek66 2012-06-24 12:33


mayumi 2012-06-24 12:34

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Originally Posted by bastek66 (Post 4222356)

that's one ugly looking kiss. i would take apollo-silvia one over this.

So likeliness of Amata-Mikono reincarnating is zero now that their souls will be in peace. right? right?
They could have atleast showed zessica getting over Amata or she will get over him.

Shinji103 2012-06-24 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by mayumi (Post 4222358)
that's one ugly looking kiss. i would take apollo-silvia one over this.

I disagree with you, sir. :D

Mangaka-chan 2012-06-24 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by mayumi (Post 4222358)
that's one ugly looking kiss. i would take apollo-silvia one over this.

I think it's suppose to mirror the Apollo/Silvia kiss from the first series, judging by how Mikono looks kinda surprised.

Zuul 2012-06-24 12:36

Pretty disapointing end that confirms it was not a deconstruction but all bad pacing, bad characterization, messed up themes and bad writting. And bad romance too.

Still baffled at the pointlessness of Kagura and Zessica's role in all of that.

At least they did get a good end. I believe she'll eventually move on. She will. ;_;

Winged_Memories 2012-06-24 12:43

Spoiler for: Amata x Mikono kiss scene ;)

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/aquario...ore=1340557617

raziel12 2012-06-24 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vena (Post 4222334)
That's not what happened. Zessica is pretty unhappy in the ending, look at her expression in the group photo. There is no Kagura/Zessica ending.

well i havent watched the ep yet so iam still waiting lol but i had a feeling amata and Mikono was going to go to altiar and kagura was gonna be left on Vega

finalfury 2012-06-24 12:48

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Originally Posted by Winged_Memories (Post 4222372)
Spoiler for: Amata x Mikono kiss scene ;)

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/aquario...ore=1340557617

Spoiler for episode:
I appreciate the link, thanks a lot.

OMG_Zerg_Rush 2012-06-24 12:53

It ended the way I thought it would but Was the zoom in on Zessica's sad face REALLY needed?
Anyway no one died and the villian was defeated as I hoped here's hoping the announce a ova or movie soon

Faerie 2012-06-24 12:56

Aquarion Evol: giving hope to bland, boring girls with the personality of a goldfish: they too will find a good looking guy who shall love them and find their lack of personality or capacity endearing.

Basically, what a waste of time :/

mayumi 2012-06-24 12:59

Oh my prediction about Apollo-Silvia overlap saving the Amata-Mikono pairing was right after all. Except it didn't save anything.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=196

Mangaka-chan 2012-06-24 13:01

I usually like happy endings, but I'm really disappointed with the happy ending to EVOL. :(

Zuul 2012-06-24 13:02

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Originally Posted by SkullFaerie (Post 4222392)
Aquarion Evol: giving hope to bland, boring girls with the personality of a goldfish: they too will find a good looking guy who shall love them and find their lack of personality or capacity endearing.

Basically, what a waste of time :/

You know that for most girls guys like Amata are not attractive at all. You should go read the articles on 'nice guys' in the Heartless Bitches International website.

I wrote somewhere else that with MikonoxAmata they made a failed hybridation with a Shoujo lead (Miss Do nothing DID Mikono) and a shounen lead (Nice guy pushover Amata). Probably expecting to please both female and male viewers and failed terribly at that.

As a female, when I read a shoujo, I want the bland easy to relate to Shoujo lead to score a dude I deem attractive. Amata is not personnality wise, his being the textbook clingy nice guy.

It's the same for male viewer.

The whole thing is made worse by Zessica (perfect waifu) and Kagura (perfect husbando) existence.

pingva 2012-06-24 13:04

Oh, that sad Zessica's face ......(no comment).

bastek66 2012-06-24 13:28

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crayven 2012-06-24 13:34

Zessica wore her sexy clothes again so it's implied she's going to move on, even if slowly. I don't understand why the show puts her through so much suffering for literally nothing though.

Kagura. I like how you realized your deep love for Mikono couldn't compare to Amata's for her and gave up on getting her in 5 minutes max. That was not sudden at all.:heh:

In the end it was mostly Amata who did all the hard work saving Mikono. For the main heroine she didn't do a lot in the final episode did she.

Winged_Memories 2012-06-24 13:36

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Originally Posted by crayven (Post 4222435)
Zessica wore her sexy clothes again so it's implied she's going to move on, even if slowly. I don't understand why the show puts her through so much suffering for literally nothing though.

Kagura. I like how you realized your deep love for Mikono couldn't compare to Amata's for her and gave up on getting her in 5 minutes max. That was not sudden at all.:heh:

In the end it was mostly Amata who did all the hard work saving Mikono. For the main heroine she didn't do a lot in the final episode did she.

UMMM I'm pretty sure Zessica is wearing a jacket at the end lol pretty much the only one in their normal clothes are Amata, Mikono, Andy and Cayenne lol

Faerie 2012-06-24 13:38

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Originally Posted by Zuul (Post 4222402)
You know that for most girls guys like Amata are not attractive at all. You should go read the articles on 'nice guys' in the Heartless Bitches International website.

I wrote somewhere else that with MikonoxAmata they made a failed hybridation with a Shoujo lead (Miss Do nothing DID Mikono) and a shounen lead (Nice guy pushover Amata). Probably expecting to please both female and male viewers and failed terribly at that.

As a female, when I read a shoujo, I want the bland easy to relate to Shoujo lead to score a dude I deem attractive. Amata is not personnality wise, his being the textbook clingy nice guy.

It's the same for male viewer.

The whole thing is made worse by Zessica (perfect waifu) and Kagura (perfect husbando) existence.

That's why I said "good-looking" instead of "attractive" ;) You're absolutely right though, I agree with everything you've said.
Thing is, with Mikono it was always obvious that this is who she was, despite faint hope she would grow above it. That Amata is a wet washcloth only becomes apparent later, so the disappointment is bigger.
Either way, what they did here pleases no one. As a female, I wouldn't want to be with Amata, even if he came for free. Clingy. And if I were a guy, I wouldn't touch someone like Mikono either. Too high maintenance for all the bland. From that standpoint, Zessica and Kagura probably dodged a bullet,which they will be very glad for later on- even if they don't realize it as of yet.

I can't believe they promised no bitter aftertaste and then zoomed in on Zessica's sadface.

Zuul 2012-06-24 13:39

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Originally Posted by crayven (Post 4222435)
Zessica wore her sexy clothes again so it's implied she's going to move on, even if slowly. I don't understand why the show puts her through so much suffering for literally nothing though.

Kagura. I like how you realized your deep love for Mikono couldn't compare to Amata's for her and gave up on getting her in 5 minutes max. That was not sudden at all.:heh:

In the end it was mostly Amata who did all the hard work saving Mikono. For the main heroine she didn't do a lot in the final episode did she.

Pretty horrible. Even at the end the girl that wanted to overcome uselessness did nothing. In a way (as a character) she also got a crap end. She was nothing but a prize for the MC all along.

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Originally Posted by SkullFaerie (Post 4222444)
That's why I said "good-looking" instead of "attractive" ;) You're absolutely right though, I agree with everything you've said.
Thing is, with Mikono it was always obvious that this is who she was, despite faint hope she would grow above it. That Amata is a wet washcloth only becomes apparent later, so the disappointment is bigger.
Either way, what they did here pleases no one. As a female, I wouldn't want to be with Amata, even if he came for free. Clingy. And if I were a guy, I wouldn't touch someone like Mikono either. Too high maintenance for all the bland. From that standpoint, Zessica and Kagura probably dodged a bullet,which they will be very glad for later on- even if they don't realize it as of yet.

I can't believe they promised no bitter aftertaste and then zoomed in on Zessica's sadface.

I have been attacked on it before, but some people (me included) think that the writting staff were really aware of how flawed Kawamori's idea for the main drama were and they did intentionnally troll him.

The way Zessica is written is particularly telling.

One can think the writting staff was not very happy by the fact the main goodie-goodie pair has to be dragged, going nowhere until the very end, and the pseudo love rivals made to suffer while not having the slightest hint of a chance to begin with. It's pretty obvious nothing good can come of that sort of setting.


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