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cyberdemon 2024-05-15 19:36

I have to wonder. Were lacus and Orphee truly genetically the most compatible or was that Aura feeding into his delusions? They simply communicate like the rest of the accords. What if her mother was part of Ulens faction. The rings only say so much. Aura might’ve copied it for her ends. Kira was Ulens son but Lacus wasn’t his daughter. She could be used by Aura to further her own research. Lacus might not be a success, but at least on par with the accords. Kira being a success is a bitter point for the scientist. He has the seed, the new type abilities, and likely accord abilities. He’s everything she failed to do.

I really feel this movie needs a full series to expand on these questions.

JagdPanther 2024-05-15 20:35

Slowly crawling my way through the accompanying novels... Just 1 chapter to go.

Having not seen the movie and probably not going to see it anytime soon, are the novel chapters solely filling in gaps or also recapping things that happen in the movie?

blitz1/2 2024-05-19 11:02

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Originally Posted by JagdPanther (Post 6579421)
Slowly crawling my way through the accompanying novels... Just 1 chapter to go.

Having not seen the movie and probably not going to see it anytime soon, are the novel chapters solely filling in gaps or also recapping things that happen in the movie?

So multiple movies could have solved the whole, we have to do homework to understand this. xD

cyberdemon 2024-05-19 11:16

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Originally Posted by blitz1/2 (Post 6579696)
So multiple movies could have solved the whole, we have to do homework to understand this. xD

If the movie is successful enough, they could make a full series out of it. I could think of many plot points they could add or how to extend a scene.

blitz1/2 2024-05-22 14:09

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Originally Posted by cyberdemon (Post 6579697)
If the movie is successful enough, they could make a full series out of it. I could think of many plot points they could add or how to extend a scene.

Makes me wonder what the other script versions for the movie was.

Mad Pierrot 2024-05-22 15:03

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Originally Posted by blitz1/2 (Post 6579934)
Makes me wonder what the other script versions for the movie was.

Some time ago, I read the director mentioned the idea of cloning Kira.

BassGSnewtype 2024-05-22 16:09

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Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot (Post 6579937)
Some time ago, I read the director mentioned the idea of cloning Kira.

Honestly I would have liked to see that, link it to the Astray series Librarian Works

blitz1/2 2024-05-22 23:03

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Originally Posted by BassGSnewtype (Post 6579944)
Honestly I would have liked to see that, link it to the Astray series Librarian Works

To be honest, Librarian works does seem like a final boss archetype faction.

Mad Pierrot 2024-05-23 07:16

Freedom returns to the box office for its final weekend alongside Detective Conan and Haikyu. It made 138,059,550 yen (about US$882,300) from Friday to Sunday, and has earned a cumulative total of 4,796,455,740 yen (about US$30.65 million). The film will end its theatrical run today.

Now, let's see when Bandai releases its bluray... Imagine if the Bluray has an extra scene from the novel.

n0m@n 2024-05-24 02:22

Nice. Gundam Seed Freedom will be available on Netflix from 8th June. Atleast in Japan. Not sure about the rest of the world yet.

Lucky I use VPN just in case lol.

cyberdemon 2024-05-31 20:23

I had a random Thought the other day. Back in Destiny, what if the accords had authorized the “assassination” of Lacus through Gil? We learn through the movie the importance of her to Aura and Orphee. Yet she was fine hanging back, attending to orphans and Kira. Maybe the hit was actually intended to bring her back into the game for their ends. Maybe the real targets were those who could influence her decisions.

Renegade334 2024-06-01 02:42

The dialogue in that episode made it clear Lacus was the target and that ZAFT operative aiming his carbine at Lacus through a ventilation grate was definitely going for a headshot, not for an incapacitating shot. The small briefing they had on the beach prior to assaulting the estate does explicitly include "Leave no trace of her death at the site "; it wasn't a snatch and grab or an "intimidate only" PSYOP - it was a direct assassination sanctioned by Durandal. The use of amphibious MS afterwards and use of massive firepower on Malchio's residence further reinforces this.

As for this being masterminded by the Accords, it's too far-fetched. The novel makes it amply clear they did want her back into their fold, but the way you hypothesize they intended to do so would've put her - a civilian with arguably no military training or experience whatsoever, much less willingness to use violence - in excessive harm's way. They wouldn't have risked it.

Also, given their abilities and the delusion of "we're one big happy family" they've been basking in their entire life, the Accords would have gone themselves to fetch Lacus rather than entrust this delicate task to inferior Coordinators completely ignorant of the personal stakes at hand. They were not above dirtying their own hands, especially for something so crucial to their core fantasies.

Last but not least, the timeline would put the Accords back within the Kingdom of Foundation, preparing for the country's self-affirmation and secession from EA. They had other fishes to fry right then.

Scorpiopt 2024-06-09 12:23

Spoiler for discussion about story:

Renegade334 2024-06-09 14:01

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Originally Posted by Scorpiopt (Post 6581104)
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Uh...
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But, yes, there are questions about ZAFT's judgment.
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blitz1/2 2024-06-09 15:40

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Originally Posted by Renegade334 (Post 6581114)
Uh...
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But, yes, there are questions about ZAFT's judgment.
Spoiler:

I think it's just Fukuda is just like "Oh, what's all the key locations/fortresses we had in GS and Destiny? Let's toss them all in for fun! It would be a nice CE geography lesson of the past!"

cyberdemon 2024-06-09 15:50

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Originally Posted by Scorpiopt (Post 6581104)
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I think it was just that they were entrusted to Compass but strict standards were made for their deployment.

JagdPanther 2024-06-09 20:09

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Originally Posted by blitz1/2 (Post 6581116)
I think it's just Fukuda is just like "Oh, what's all the key locations/fortresses we had in GS and Destiny? Let's toss them all in for fun! It would be a nice CE geography lesson of the past!"

Yeah, I mean, I get...
Spoiler for novel and move story:

Mad Pierrot 2024-06-10 07:04

Seems the blu-ray will be released in December.

Scorpiopt 2024-06-10 13:16

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Originally Posted by Renegade334 (Post 6581114)
Uh...
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But, yes, there are questions about ZAFT's judgment.
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Spoiler for Uh nope:

quagmire 2024-06-11 11:28

Spoiler for movie:

Nvis 2024-06-12 23:26

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Originally Posted by Scorpiopt (Post 6581104)
Spoiler for discussion about story:

Spoiler:

BassGSnewtype 2024-06-13 15:52

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Originally Posted by Nvis (Post 6581376)
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Spoiler for Maybe:

Mad Pierrot 2024-06-14 06:35

Wow, the bluray has a "Mighty Edition" which comes with:
*Storyboard Collection (Act 1)
*Reproduction Script (2 volumes)
*Movie Version Illustration Card Sheet: Featuring 66 planned items.
*Limited Gunpla
*Special Booklet: 20 pages planned.
*Special Illustration Collection: 48 pages planned.
*Original Novels: Includes "ESCAPE FOR TWO" and "Moonlight Valkyrie," with a 3rd newly written *novel included.
*Drama CD: Featuring "ESCAPE FOR TWO" and "Moonlight Valkyrie" novels.
*Bonus Disc (2 discs)
*Event footage from "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED FESTIVAL CONNECT Beyond that era" (held on November 19, 2023) and "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED FESTIVAL FREEDOM Towards a new future" (held on February 18, 2024).
*Special digests of all 48 episodes of the HD remastered "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED" and all 50 episodes of the HD remastered "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY."
*Commemoration special and making-of features.

monster 2024-06-14 11:57

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Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot (Post 6581455)
Wow, the bluray has a "Mighty Edition" which comes with:
*Storyboard Collection (Act 1)
*Reproduction Script (2 volumes)
*Movie Version Illustration Card Sheet: Featuring 66 planned items.
*Limited Gunpla
*Special Booklet: 20 pages planned.
*Special Illustration Collection: 48 pages planned.
*Original Novels: Includes "ESCAPE FOR TWO" and "Moonlight Valkyrie," with a 3rd newly written *novel included.
*Drama CD: Featuring "ESCAPE FOR TWO" and "Moonlight Valkyrie" novels.
*Bonus Disc (2 discs)
*Event footage from "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED FESTIVAL CONNECT Beyond that era" (held on November 19, 2023) and "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED FESTIVAL FREEDOM Towards a new future" (held on February 18, 2024).
*Special digests of all 48 episodes of the HD remastered "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED" and all 50 episodes of the HD remastered "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY."
*Commemoration special and making-of features.

I hope it's available outside of Japan and in English (at the very least).

Renegade334 2024-06-14 13:11

SEED FREEDOM Aftercut Postcards: https://www.gundam-seed.net/freedom/present/ (scroll down a little bit till you reach the "週替わり入場者プレゼント第17弾 5月17日(金)~" entry)
"Final giveaway" to moviegoers who went to watch the movie on May 17. Illustrations of scenes taking place after the movie based on Mitsuo Fukuda's storyboards. Contains very short stories on the back. 3 postcards in all.

Translated short stories:
Spoiler for post-epilogue stuff - quite possibly canon material:
So now we know where Kira and Lacus went.

EDIT: after some reflection, I removed the high-res scans and left the transcripts here. Just in case.

quagmire 2024-06-14 17:34

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JagdPanther 2024-06-14 19:15

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Originally Posted by quagmire (Post 6581488)
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Yeah, that seems... weird. Like, really weird.

I get that...
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Renegade334 2024-06-15 04:18

Other (minor) detail:
Spoiler for Aftercut Postercard:

cyberdemon 2024-06-15 05:53

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Originally Posted by Renegade334 (Post 6581509)
Other (minor) detail:
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Mad Pierrot 2024-06-18 06:43

People are already leaking the film in high quality. Maybe it's Netflix Japan? The scene that kinda feels funny is something that Kira has been doing with nearly all his mobile suits since SEED vanilla.
Spoiler for scene:

Renegade334 2024-06-18 07:05

Femtotech Armor
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Exception to your rule:
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Mad Pierrot 2024-06-18 09:12

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Originally Posted by Renegade334 (Post 6581719)
Femtotech Armor
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Exception to your rule:
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cyberdemon 2024-06-20 15:52

Had a random thought today but why didn’t they give the Impulse the Duel and Buster treatment and upgrade it to a nuclear reactor?

quagmire 2024-06-20 19:04

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Originally Posted by cyberdemon (Post 6581866)
Had a random thought today but why didn’t they give the Impulse the Duel and Buster treatment and upgrade it to a nuclear reactor?

Technical reason is probably due to the fact the suit is completely module in that in theory still replace broken parts( legs, chest). Hard to do a nuclear reactor most likely in a suit like that. Where Duel and Buster were more traditional frame mobile suits.

John117xCortana 2024-06-26 05:41

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Originally Posted by quagmire (Post 6581880)
Technical reason is probably due to the fact the suit is completely module in that in theory still replace broken parts( legs, chest). Hard to do a nuclear reactor most likely in a suit like that. Where Duel and Buster were more traditional frame mobile suits.

In this case the only other place they could theoretically a nuclear reactor would be externally. Probably a new pack.

Scorpiopt 2024-06-28 13:40

are there any details on the Rare Metal Ω does ? on reddit saw some posts mentioning its a E-Carbon / Permet/Psycoframe armor theres a lack info on it and the manga is not translated

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MHF-0..._Astray_%CE%A9

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MBF-P...rame_Amaterasu

Mad Pierrot 2024-07-10 06:52

I'm not good with mecha but

Spoiler for climax of the film:

Kanon 2024-07-25 17:02

Watched the movie, and I'm mostly left feeling it was a completely unnecessary addition. It's pretty much just a rehash of the end of Destiny. The new characters were all complete shit.

Spoiler for Spoilers:


I can safely go back to pretending anything post SEED doesn't exist.

blitz1/2 2024-07-25 17:22

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Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 6585241)
Watched the movie, and I'm mostly left feeling it was a completely unnecessary addition. It's pretty much just a rehash of the end of Destiny. The new characters were all complete shit.

Spoiler for Spoilers:


I can safely go back to pretending anything post SEED doesn't exist.

I can agree that Freedom was an unnecessary addition, and could have been SO MUCH better.

Mad Pierrot 2024-08-05 11:50

Seems Netflix will stream this movie around September. Considering Zeta Gundam was never streamed by the site, I guess this means the two SEED Tv series won't either.


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