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Kairin 2013-05-17 12:54

To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Character Discussion - Shokuhou "Mental Out" Misaki
 
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Shinhwa 2013-05-17 14:53

Why isn't her last name on the thread? O.o

Birdway 2013-05-17 18:32

Shokuhou Misaki "Mental Out".

ronelm2000 2013-05-17 20:40

Misaki's full name WAS mentioned in the Anime right?

relentlessflame 2013-05-18 00:46

It's just because I didn't take the time to look it up and I couldn't remember off-hand. Anyway, thanks to Birdway above for providing the answer, it's fixed now. (I made it match the name order in the main Railgun thread.)

dniv 2013-05-24 18:40

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame (Post 4685316)
It's just because I didn't take the time to look it up and I couldn't remember off-hand. Anyway, thanks to Birdway above for providing the answer, it's fixed now. (I made it match the name order in the main Railgun thread.)

So... who's happy that (spoiler from railgun manga and NT volume 7)
Spoiler:


It sure makes me happy. She's a pretty funny character, at least in NT 7. She seems a bit less mellow in Railgun...

Birdway 2013-05-24 20:55

At least we know so far:

- Likes sweet things, doesn't cares about growing fat.
- Due to her being raised on closed spaces she isn't used to do physical work.
- Doesn't trust people she can't control.
- Dislikes the idea of getting along with gullible and emotionally unstable people like Misaka.
- Knows Touma way before his memory loss, feels in debt with him.
- Likes to get along people with carefree attitude regarding relationships like Touma.
- Her power works on way too many aspects so she needs to set restrictions to herself.
- Her power only works on humans.

Welsh_Dragon 2013-05-25 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdway (Post 4695757)
At least we know so far:

- Likes sweet things, doesn't cares about growing fat.
- Due to her being raised on closed spaces she isn't used to do physical work.
- Doesn't trust people she can't control.
- Dislikes the idea of getting along with gullible and emotionally unstable people like Misaka.
- Knows Touma way before his memory loss, feels in debt with him.
- Likes to get along people with carefree attitude regarding relationships like Touma.
- Her power works on way too many aspects so she needs to set restrictions to herself.
- Her power only works on humans.

You forgot about her verbal tic ability.

dniv 2013-05-26 19:51

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Originally Posted by Welsh_Dragon (Post 4695968)
You forgot about her verbal tic ability.

You mean her verbal tic "ability" and her excellent speaking "power."

Welsh_Dragon 2013-05-26 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by dniv (Post 4698106)
You mean her verbal tic "ability" and her excellent speaking "power."

I was actually trying to put that verbal tic to use in my post for fun.

dniv 2013-05-26 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welsh_Dragon (Post 4698175)
I was actually trying to put that verbal tic to use in my post for fun.

I know. I was saying on Index wiki, it says she uses ability and power randomly to phrase her sentences. So I added power :)

Marina2 2013-05-26 21:40

In combat, While Misaki's "Mental out" is not combat-type ability, she will do better than Mikoto and Shizuri in the battle as she can just mind-control her enemy. However, she can easily get taken out by a sniper from a far range (if she doesn't know sniper is "there")

dniv 2013-05-26 21:46

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Originally Posted by Marina2 (Post 4698253)
In combat, While Misaki's "Mental out" is not combat-type ability, she will do better than Mikoto and Shizuri in the battle as she can just mind-control her enemy. However, she can easily get taken out by a sniper from a far range (if she doesn't know sniper is "there")

Since her mind-control ability range is ridiculous, can't she just mind control anyone within a huge area or make anyone in that area just go to sleep (an area that is close enough for anyone to snipe her) in that case, wouldn't she be fine?
Spoiler:

Marina2 2013-05-27 02:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by dniv (Post 4698260)
Since her mind-control ability range is ridiculous, can't she just mind control anyone within a huge area or make anyone in that area just go to sleep (an area that is close enough for anyone to snipe her) in that case, wouldn't she be fine?
Spoiler:

Probelm is: Misaki (noramlly) prefer to control only those who are near to her (around her) more than huge area control unless it is really necessary. Okey, if she is in combat situation, she may use wide area control just for her safety (unlikely, however)

But in normal situation where she is enjoying her everyday life? Why would she use wide area mind-control in the situation where she doesn't know she is about to get sniped? :heh: That's why a sniper can easily defeat her if needed.

It is one of her weakness to exploit.

dniv 2013-05-27 04:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marina2 (Post 4698496)
Probelm is: Misaki (noramlly) prefer to control only those who are near to her (around her) more than huge area control unless it is really necessary. Okey, if she is in combat situation, she may use wide area control just for her safety (unlikely, however)

But in normal situation where she is enjoying her everyday life? Why would she use wide area mind-control in the situation where she doesn't know she is about to get sniped? :heh: That's why a sniper can easily defeat her if needed.

It is one of her weakness to exploit.

Sure, I agree with this. This is why she tries not to anger Academy City. :)

Tranhieu 2013-05-27 04:35

But she can always use other people's abilities to protect herself right? Sniping her wouldn't be that easy with so many people around, and most of them are level 3 or 4.

dniv 2013-05-27 04:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tranhieu (Post 4698575)
But she can always use other people's abilities to protect herself right? Sniping her wouldn't be that easy with so many people around, and most of them are level 3 or 4.

What if they didn't care about hurting innocent people? It's still hard to protect against snipers unless you are
Spoiler:


More importantly:

By the way, this is kind of obvious now I realize. But the fact that Mikoto said that all level 5's at Tokiwadai started as level 1's seems to be true probably. After all, Shokuhou had to train her mental out to make it stronger. She gradually developed her powers. Therefore, I'm guessing she was originally a level 1.

[SPOILER= Chapters 59/60 of Railgun Manga] Then can we say that one of the only reasons she reached level 5 was because the researchers wanted her to complete Exterior and because they didn't get to dispose of her? Otherwise she would have just had an average level of power. Instead, she got a special curriculum there? I mean they didn't even seem to care about her achieving level 5... they were just going to discard her once Exterior was complete... So... was she there for schooling beforehand? Based on the fact that the researchers were going to dispose of her: [SPOILER] is she a child error? We haven't ever seen a mention of her parents.

I don't think they'd be able to dispose of her without her parents complaining unless she was a child error and was abandoned because of her power to read minds. This might explain a lot... I mean she wasn't with her parents during the first part of Daihasesai. She was with the researcher, right? .................

Yye1 2013-09-02 13:49

So, based on railgun and the latest index volumes
She is in love with Touma?

Goldzero 2013-09-02 14:28

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Originally Posted by Yye1 (Post 4816339)
So, based on railgun and the latest index volumes
She is in love with Touma?

never seen her smile like that to anybody else so i guess we can assume yes but i wouldn't take an interest to the pairing much since kamachi has yet to tell us her background with kamijou yet. i wonder when well he make a volume about touma past because its pretty obvious misaki is somewhat set up for us to learn about kamijou past and their relationship.

ACertainStark 2013-09-02 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yye1 (Post 4816339)
So, based on railgun and the latest index volumes
She is in love with Touma?

That is quite obvious now, yeah. More interested in her being key to Touma's past.

dniv 2013-09-02 16:23

Misaki's smile made me go like... uh... um... hello Misaki... are you there? :heh:

I was rather confused... I noticed she acted very differently around Touma... and it is kind of clear that Touma very much appreciates her figure as well :D :D :D which makes it a two-way like... and Misaka seems to think that Misaki isn't even in middle school which could make things even more interesting IMO. :D

So I'm wondering about whether Misaki and Touma were very close before. Though I am confused as to why he didn't mention her by name in volume 1 except for the fact that maybe Kamachi hadn't come up with her name yet... if so that would be nice to know. Hmm... it makes me wonder.

ACertainStark 2013-09-02 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by dniv (Post 4816473)
Misaki's smile made me go like... uh... um... hello Misaki... are you there? :heh:

I was rather confused... I noticed she acted very differently around Touma... and it is kind of clear that Touma very much appreciates her figure as well :D :D :D which makes it a two-way like... and Misaka seems to think that Misaki isn't even in middle school which could make things even more interesting IMO. :D

So I'm wondering about whether Misaki and Touma were very close before. Though I am confused as to why he didn't mention her by name in volume 1 except for the fact that maybe Kamachi hadn't come up with her name yet... if so that would be nice to know. Hmm... it makes me wonder.

It could be the latter, or he just didn't know she was Mental Out, since this is there past. They seemed to have separated, maybe?

Yye1 2013-09-02 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by dniv (Post 4816473)
Misaki's smile made me go like... uh... um... hello Misaki... are you there? :heh:

I was rather confused... I noticed she acted very differently around Touma... and it is kind of clear that Touma very much appreciates her figure as well :D :D :D which makes it a two-way like... and Misaka seems to think that Misaki isn't even in middle school which could make things even more interesting IMO. :D

So I'm wondering about whether Misaki and Touma were very close before. Though I am confused as to why he didn't mention her by name in volume 1 except for the fact that maybe Kamachi hadn't come up with her name yet... if so that would be nice to know. Hmm... it makes me wonder.

Well, Touma seems to go for busty characters, lol.
Hmm if Misaki was close with Touma, it would be quite like that doujin that came out a few weeks back..., kinda creepy if you think about it

Xero8420 2013-09-02 23:18

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Originally Posted by Yye1 (Post 4816828)
Well, Touma seems to go for busty characters, lol.
Hmm if Misaki was close with Touma, it would be quite like that doujin that came out a few weeks back..., kinda creepy if you think about it

Look at his eyes. Look at what he was starring. :heh:

http://i19.mangareader.net/to-aru-ka...ou-3044745.jpg

Dang, I can't believe this thread is inactive for months. We could have discussed more about Misaki in here recently. So, how about inviting those peeps into this party? :D

Now it's a matter of time for us to lose ourselves and go crazy over Touma x Misaki theories/speculation about their past relationship. Things are getting more interesting lately. :eyespin:

Goldzero 2013-09-02 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero8420 (Post 4816847)
Look at his eyes. Look at what he was starring. :heh:

http://i19.mangareader.net/to-aru-ka...ou-3044745.jpg

Dang, I can't believe this thread is inactive for months. We could have discussed more about Misaki in here recently. So, how about inviting those peeps into this party? :D

Now it's a matter of time for us to lose ourselves and go crazy over Touma x Misaki theories/speculation about their past relationship. Things are getting more interesting lately. :eyespin:

say hello to my new "OTP":hyper-^v^:.

Xero8420 2013-09-02 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldzero (Post 4816867)
say hello to my new "OTP":hyper-^v^:.

Because of the recent chapter and NT7, so say hello to the OTT/OT3 goodness. You get what I mean? :D

dniv 2013-09-03 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero8420 (Post 4816872)
Because of the recent chapter and NT7, so say hello to the OTT/OT3 goodness. You get what I mean? :D

Um... The NT 8 preview was an even better (much better) indication IMO as to the situation between them :D (or at least how she feels)

This chapter just went overboard IMO lol...

At the beginning when I heard about this, I expected it somewhat. I was like it would be nice if it were true. Then we see Touma is actually somewhat interested... And... then... she just goes absolutely ballistic/head over heels for him in a way... She calls him a prince :heh: I have nothing else to say (but not even in my dreams) :D

Xero8420 2013-09-03 08:20

Touma x Misaki speculation
 
Allow me to post these quotes from zibi made a few days ago to discuss this further, shall we? :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by zibi88 (Post 4814620)
I guess the only thing I liked in this chapter was the few pages with misaki and touma.... I just love Misakis smile there.... and it seriously makes me want to know how and when they met...what was their relationship before toumas memory loss

and I wonder if misaki met touma in person... or she was observing him via other peoples eyes the one she taken control over so touma never personaly met her ^^ so misaki might not be aware that he lost his memory.... or maybe they met as kids kinda in elementary or middle school.... but something happened... maybe some other girls were getting to close to him she got jelous over him and did something to those girls memories... touma learned about it and got angry at her... (like she mentioned here in c62 if he showed up like that to some other girl she would be disturbed...but if its her its really ok as he is her prince)


but still I wonder if she would be able to fix toumas memory somehow... like we see that her powers might work on him (till he doesnt touch his head with right hand) so she might be the key to fix him... but she waits till he asks her personaly


for me the misaki and touma past is one of the most interesting to me and cant wait to learn about it ^^ (I wonder if misaki met his parents ;P like misaka and her parents met toumas)

Quote:

Originally Posted by zibi88 (Post 4814662)
I know she met him in person few chapters back (chapter titled encounter) but it was after his memory loss.... but when was it the first time they met is the question

about memory we dont know if it cant be fixed... she is the strongest telepath in the whole city she might be able to do something with it... or at least she could show him "her" memory of the encounter they had... kinda from her perspective

but maybe she doesnt want to fix it becouse she knows "that touma" was mad at her and mostly broke all contacts with her.... so now its like a fresh start in which she might not do the same mistake and lose him

Quote:

Originally Posted by zibi88 (Post 4814723)
If his memory cells were destoryed then he should be a vegetable now...as memories are located all over the brain not just in 1spot... since we get memories from different senses... be it smell of food or grass...to optical memory... if we hear sound off wind we remember it... memories might be based on our emotions too we remember when we were happy or sad... and those brain parts are located all over the thing in many locations.... the feather of light hit a certain area so maybe it just destroyed some "neoron paths inside the brain" that stops the memories from other brain parts to connect totaly

because if he had lost "all" memories... he wouldnt know how to walk, move, breath, speak or read..... generally its like destroyed cells are replaced by new ones... so maybe misaki would just need to start the brain to function properly by connecting few memories to start the chain effect and one memory would bring another one after some outside impulse

like if he would look on sea he might start to remember some memories containing the "sea" so memories of him being close to similar environment....ect.

but maybe aleister doesnt want touma to remember because its safe for him...better not to know what you are and what power you have... the same goes for misaki.... if he had forgotten his past then he had forgotten the time she crossed the line and he broke contact with her (she knows she hurt him and is aware of it...but it doesnt stop her from loving him.... and wont allow for other girls to get too close to him.... mostly the threat to misaka about entering her territory was about Touma... like dont get too close to him or I will act)

misaki might just want to start from the beginning... as she introduced herself to him in chapter encounter... and showed how similar they are :P (biribiri... piripiri) or how she can get so close to him with ease [crossed arms even though they first met... and misaki is not the type to allow herself to be touched by any guy [or new met people] so easily]

I guess the chairman (the girl) is kinda glad that he lost his memory...so he doesnt remember the bad things about her from past and can start from beginning without him hating her (from the beginning of new testament where she thought touma died... and she saw no point of getting up and was just lying around for few days... like if he is not there what is the point anyway)


so maybe the "cant" fix it (aleister the biggest mage of all time that created aiwass cant bring his memories back) is mainly the "it would be better not to fix it".... like cant aleister kinda go back in time copy toumas memories before the incident...go bck to present and put them inside his head :P


anyway its gona be intersting to see how touma will deal with misaka...and I wonder if touma wont make gensei notice him and grow curiosity on his power....

but still cant wait for a moment where touma wakes up inside misakis lap XD (misaka already did that)


Yye1 2013-09-04 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero8420 (Post 4816847)
Look at his eyes. Look at what he was starring. :heh:

http://i19.mangareader.net/to-aru-ka...ou-3044745.jpg

Dang, I can't believe this thread is inactive for months. We could have discussed more about Misaki in here recently. So, how about inviting those peeps into this party? :D

Now it's a matter of time for us to lose ourselves and go crazy over Touma x Misaki theories/speculation about their past relationship. Things are getting more interesting lately. :eyespin:

Doesnt all men do that when they meet a hot chick?

Shinhwa 2013-09-04 17:21

It would be really awesome if this seriously happened for Touma when he knew Misaki:

http://i.imgur.com/ZBuiwrW.jpg

allfictions 2013-09-04 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero8420 (Post 4817335)
Allow me to post these quotes from zibi made a few days ago to discuss this further, shall we? :D

And allow me to post following quotes demonstrating that zibi has no clue as to what the difference between ''semantic memory'' and ''event memory'' is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by desrtsku (Post 4814689)
Spoiler for spoiler:


That is not quite "memory fixing", that's more "memory transfer". And that's not the sort of thing you should do, unless you're married to the other person or about to die.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiss13 (Post 4814864)
I'm pretty sure that the novels explained that what was destroyed was the part of his brain that destroyed his event memory. Every other bit of his memory such as how powers worked, etc remained unharmed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilfriback (Post 4814999)
Event memories, nothing else, those feather were meant to be used on Index to begin with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by desrtsku (Post 4815040)
Nope.
Spoiler for long post, kinda off topic, and also Index spoiler:


rladls716 2013-09-07 00:18

I have a question.

If Misaki uses her powers on Index what would happen?

Chaos2Frozen 2013-09-07 00:25

The honest truthful answer? Nobody knows.

Speculative answer? Possibly the same thing as Yamisaka Ouma, only worse because she's an Esper.

Rising Dragon 2013-09-07 00:29

Best guess? Nothing good.

rladls716 2013-09-07 00:34

Is Misaki kind of a character that read Index's mind after checking on her profile first or check

her what is inside her head without any second thought?

Sorry for repetitive questions I won't do it again.

dniv 2013-09-07 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by rladls716 (Post 4821921)
Is Misaki kind of a character that read Index's mind after checking on her profile first or check

her what is inside her head without any second thought?

Sorry for repetitive questions I won't do it again.

IMO Misaki knows absolutely nothing about Index.

tsunade666 2013-09-07 03:23

Misaki probably doesn't even know anything about magic but she is unlike Mikoto where even in front of her, where magic is being performed still reason out that its some esper power or scientific phenomenon (talking about dumb or wall -_- I fell for you Lessar and Mikoto should say high to star of Bethlehem. Gabriel might bit her)

Xero8420 2013-09-07 05:22

Guys, tell that to Wilfriback. I remembered she has stated this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilfriback (Post 4820964)
Btw, I think Misaki knew about Touma's memory loss after brain controlling Heaven Canceler and making him tell her everything regarding Touma, that would explain why she is curious about Index(she was on the hospital so may know her via memory reading ).

She maybe knows nothing about magic by now, but she will eventually. If Misaki is curious of Index, then it will be a possibility that she will get involve into the magic side soon or later. And don't forget she trust Touma, even when he mentioned anything involves magics, unscientific stuffs, 'hocus-pocus' and sh!ts.

Well kind to think of it, I bet that both Misaki and Mikoto want the same thing in common. Don't you think?

StaticLord 2013-09-07 14:11

Misaki is a sadist and she already uses her power on Index to dry Touma's bank account.

Proof:

Spoiler for Index mind control:

dniv 2013-09-07 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by StaticLord (Post 4822536)
Misaki is a sadist and she already uses her power on Index to dry Touma's bank account.

Proof:

Spoiler for Index mind control:

Why didn't I ever notice this before? XD


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