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4Tran

2009-08-29 09:25

Valkyria Chronicles - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

Welcome to the discussion thread for Valkyria Chronicles, Episode 22.

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cynicalicious

2009-08-29 12:29

2 Chan thread is already out, as the show just aired.

Spoiler for Linky and spoilers:

serenade_beta

2009-08-29 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by relentlessflame (Post 2607423)

Part A:
On a quasi-random note, I think it's interesting how people keep complaining about the screentime and focus that Faldio is getting in this adaptation. This reminds me of a certain other romance-centric show where viewers got mad that the show's main heroines were being chronicled because they were the losers and not the winners (and people felt they were "robbed" of the show they thought they were "promised"). And I sort of feel, in many ways, that this is what this anime is trying to do -- it's chronicling the "fallen" as much if not more so than it's chronicling the "heroes". But people can't seem to reconcile the fact that the show is giving focus to characters who aren't, in other senses, the "lead characters". Part of this, I suppose, is because they just don't like the characters being focused on as much as the true "main characters" or the way they've had to develop the "main characters" as a result, but I don't think that's the whole story either.

Part B (not really all that related to Part A):
Anyway, all in all I find that this forum is rather oppressive, with people constantly harping on how the anime writers are incompetent and how the show is a total disaster as if this is foregone objective conclusion. Most of these complaints are the very same we've had for months now, but it's as if there's a core group of people (we might call them "fans") who just don't tire of patting each other on the backs with their shared dislike for the show. I don't think some even watch it anymore; they just wait for someone else to post some screenshots or comments, and then take turns circle-beating the show for the latest perceived failure. How disgraceful. This isn't to say that people should only post if they have something nice to say, as legitimate criticism is certainly welcome, but the opinions of those still enjoying the show have been effectively drowned out, giving further rise to the impression that the only people left are fellow haters. A look around the blogosphere and on other anime forums does not seem to support this conclusion.

So, a request. Negative opinions are definitely welcome, but if it's beyond you to state your opinions without coming across as an arrogant, condescending prick, then you are welcome to leave. Circle-beating "me too" type replies that add nothing to the discussion, and any form of image retort or reply, are equally suspect. Those unable to tell the difference between these and legitimate posts will be "assisted" in this process. And before you act all offended, please carefully re-read the paragraph to consider if your actions truly warrant your feeling included. If they do warrant your feeling included, then the offense is intended. This sort of behaviour is in violation of the Forum Rules. Replies to this request in this thread will be summarily deleted; you are welcome to contact me via PM if you have concerns.

Even though you may dislike the show passionately, this forum is intended to be a place where legitimate discussion of the content of the anime can occur. If your only contribution is to whine, whinge, and moan about how they're not giving you the anime you've always wanted and feel you "rightfully deserve", episode threads aren't the right place for that. We're here to discuss the content of the episode in the anime as presented, and possibly to make fair and legitimate comparisons to the material as presented in the game, where applicable. If you're not here for those reasons, or reasons that are otherwise compatible with the purpose of this thread, you may leave.

Quoting so people that didn't see it will see it this time. And to hope it works to prevent...

Runty

2009-08-29 16:13

Spoiler for An interesting twist:

I still haven't seen the episode, just some screens. I'll give a more thorough review when I see it.

Zwei	2009-08-29 20:14

Spoiler:

kraken

2009-08-29 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zwei (Post 2612956)

Spoiler:

for that:

Spoiler:

SoldierOfDarkness

2009-08-29 22:16

Skimmed through the episode, not too bad of an episode until subs come out but I wonder why everyone's freaked out about Alicia. I mean the Valkyur were worshipped as saviours and gods were they not? IMO the reaction to her was awkward to say the least, at least Damon just went up to her:heh:

Selvaria and Alicia's background, it is interesting but I think this was introduced way too late into the series since we've got like 4 episodes left.

Other than that I'm curious as to where they are going with this and if they will further develop this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalbron (Post 2612711)

Wonderful Episode. I Enjoy. Fantastic Plotline. Must See More. 10/10.

Let Us. All Praise. The Best. Anime Series. Ever.

I too can conform to relentlessflames' rules!

So, a request. Negative opinions are definitely welcome, but if it's beyond you to state your opinions without coming across as an arrogant, condescending prick, then you are welcome to leave.

serenade_beta

2009-08-29 23:14

Spoiler for ep22:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zwei (Post 2612956)

Spoiler:

A person who has shown he hates anything anime-original in this fussed over it in the previous episode = Anime-original

Darknemo2000

2009-08-29 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness (Post 2613114)

The problem is that it does not tell what makes you an arrogant, condescending prick. It is not self clear. It's still left for him to decide.

It's the same thing as saying - So, a request. Negative opinions are definitely welcome, but if they do not suit my taste, then you are welcome to leave.

And wow was a great episode. Incredible. Fabiotastic. Wow. Somehow it centers on the main hero Faldio bit less but its ok, for now side-character Welkin will do, though even he gets little focus compared to Damon. Still what an amazing script writing. Its super. Its great. No mistakes now - its the best series of this season and the best ever created. But we knew that already, as the idea of babelfish translated letter was so revolutionary showing what attention they pay to the details. Fabiolous, supreme insight.

Spoiler for seriously:

And yes, serenade. It did not say anything about anime or characters - Quoting so people that didn't see it will see it this time. And to hope it works to prevent...

How it talks about VC episode 22? You tell nothing and provide nothing to a discussion of the tread with this post. Only the possibility to get involved into a discussing something that is not related to the episode, it looks even more funny because the text you quote tells that you should do exactly the opposite of what you did. If you still are confused I explain, the text says - posts should provide a material to discuss about the anime even if its negative opinion. If they do not, then they are bad. And thats what your first post is - you did not say anything about the anime and provided nothing to its discussion.

justavisitor

2009-08-29 23:26

pretty good episode...9/10

I was gonna give this episode 10/10 but I have to settle for 9/10 because

Spoiler for spoiler:

4Tran

2009-08-29 23:56

All right, let's cut the chatter about who's right and wrong to post, and get on with the discussing the actual episode.

ThoHell

2009-08-30 00:29

AHHHHHH, this is so stupid. I should of waited for the last episode to air then start watching this again. Welkin just won't grow as a character, guy is just damn pathetic. Ridiculous drama. A bunch of military goons trying to control something that is significantly far above them and to make it worst, that greater being is allowing herself to be so easily controlled. Good god man, those girls are like Supergirl! More than a 1 man army, more power than any signal nation can withstand. How the hell did such a powerful race just go poof?

kujoe

2009-08-30 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by justavisitor (Post 2613211)

pretty good episode...9/10

I was gonna give this episode 10/10 but I have to settle for 9/10 because

Spoiler for spoiler:

Teasing? This whole love triangle has played a huge role in that. The romantic development had to be split between two possible couples. All is not lost though, and all I'm going to say is to keep watching on... Well, we'll see.

Seeing the new development regarding Selvaria and Alicia right now, I would've preferred the anime expand on this more rather dwell too much in a love triangle whose result could have been easily inferred even if you don't know much about the game. Compared to that, this new development is right at home with the heart of the matter—their conflict and their lost history—which could even be so much more than what is shown in the game.

Alas, as one poster has already said, there are only four episodes left. The introduction of this new angle is quite late. I have no idea how they'll further develop this, but I have to give credit to the anime for finally doing something truly different and (hopefully) good at the same time.

Shiroth

2009-08-30 03:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by kujoe (Post 2613389)

Alas, as one poster has already said, there are only four episodes left. The introduction of this new angle is quite late. I have no idea how they'll further develop this, but I have to give credit to the anime for finally doing something truly different and (hopefully) good at the same time.

At this rate, i can see them going for a new complete ending. Maybe keeping a few pieces from the game, though with he new material and the fact that we have four episodes left, it's the best choice they can make at the moment.

Let's hope they can pull off something decent, because i don't mind where they're going with their new material in this episode.

Chrono Helix

2009-08-30 03:47

Spoiler:

don_Durandal

2009-08-30 04:06

They kept the Marmota. Good good... (Imperials really have a weird knack for giving absolutly non-threatening names to their heavy tanks).

We finally get Faldio's explanation for why he shot Alicia. It is too early for him to show regret though. Too bad we didn't get "fisticuffs", but it would have been out of place for Welkin to punch Faldio while he's tied up. Oh well, I have no doubt they'll make SuperFaldio save the day once again, while Welkin gets less screen time than General Damon.

Introducing a sub-plot for Alicia and Selveria is way too late. With only four episodes and so much left to screen they can't be dilly-dallying too long.

A rather good episode like we've been having lately, making up for the disappointment that was 21 in comparison. The worrying part is how much of the story is left to be told and how few episodes they kept for that. I sure hope they don't end up skipping important subplot like Cordelia's because of that.

kujoe

2009-08-30 04:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiroth (Post 2613534)

Hmmm. I admit that a new ending involving Selvaria sounds kind of interesting...

Quote:

Originally Posted by don_Durandal (Post 2613553)

Oh well, I have no doubt they'll make SuperFaldio save the day once again, while Welkin gets less screen time than General Damon.

Introducing a sub-plot for Alicia and Selveria is way too late. With only four episodes and so much left to screen they can't be dilly-dallying too long.

Then the anime better not spend too much time on Faldio all over again when it's not needed. With this new piece of info and four episodes left, I seriously hope the anime realizes this.

HunterSeeker

2009-08-30 05:07

Finished this episode with subs. Pretty good original developments, I must say.

Spoiler for my thoughts:

Key Board

2009-08-30 05:33

It's really hard to see this possibly ending in 4 episodes

Is it going to run longer than 2 cours?

rurupeceaue

2009-08-30 06:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Key Board (Post 2613651)

It's really hard to see this possibly ending in 4 episodes

Is it going to run longer than 2 cours?

was wondering the same thing (for a while now)

Manji Midou

2009-08-30 07:58

Lulz @ 4tran.....
busy fellow he beh....:heh:

as for the episode.............

Spoiler:

justavisitor

2009-08-30 08:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by kujoe (Post 2613389)

But the love triangle has been long gone..now I don't know why Welkin is still holding back...well one positive I can take is we are getting closer and closer to the confession

That aside, the drawing of Alicia is still decent..but Welkin's look seems to be off a bit in this episode...well all I care is Alicia anyway :heh:

kujoe

2009-08-30 10:34

"Long" gone? I wouldn't consider a few episodes being that "long".

But my point is, it's a major part of this anime and it's serve its purpose. This is also in relation to how I compare this to the potential significance of this new development between Selvaria and Alicia.

Deathkillz

2009-08-30 15:36

Oh bloody hell, what an emo-fest this is turning out to be to put it bluntly.

Someone really needs to shoot that fat ass already as I am sick of seeing his ugly face. What an idiot of a commander.

And I had more faith in Alicia's so called friends but it seems like they are all idiots as well for treating Alicia like some monster now that they know she is a valkyria. What she needs now is support not shunt, those idiots >.>

Needs more Selvaria love too. She is getting a really short stick and enough love...or screen time. But I have to say the flashback was a nice touch. Yea...so chibi Selvaria knew chibi Alicia and now they are trying to kill each other. FFFFFFFFFFF!

KiraYamatoFan

2009-08-30 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathkillz (Post 2614550)

Oh bloody hell, what an emo-fest this is turning out to be to put it bluntly.

Someone really needs to shoot that fat ass already as I am sick of seeing his ugly fact. What and idiot of a commander.

I wish in fact Welkin would grow some cojones and have a chat with Mr. Fatso in the middle of the night after roughly waking up the fat @$$. Maybe he can ask for one Zaka's knives to have more bargaining power in the discussion... one sound, one scream, and I wouldn't hesitate (that reminds me of that scene in Passchendaele).

Also, I agree with you: the other members of Squad 7 have to do better than that in supporting Alicia because I felt the whole situation was a let-down.

don_Durandal

2009-08-30 17:20

The squad 7 members not sticking with Alicia was disappointing. You'd expect they'd react differently considering how the rest of the shows has portrayed their interactions with her.
But then again it'll allow for some more wonderful emo-fest later on which is certainly a good thing in a show portraying adult soldiers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan (Post 2614673)

Welkin wouldn't do that. He might be an oddball, but he acts within military rules. One of his genius traits actually comes from being able to come out on top of any ridiculous situation the incompetent higher-ups put him in, without actually going against those higher-ups.

Shiroth

2009-08-30 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by don_Durandal (Post 2614769)

The squad 7 members not sticking with Alicia was disappointing. You'd expect they'd react differently considering how the rest of the shows has portrayed their interactions with her.

This is probably something the script writers didn't take into consideration, because personally i find it pretty disgusting how the squad 7 members can just turn their backs so easily like that against Alicia, especially how much some of them have interacted with her in the past (like Susie and Edy). Very disappointing.

yezhanquan

2009-08-30 22:40

Disregarding continuity.....

Do these guys know how to write a script?

Tak	2009-08-30 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by yezhanquan (Post 2615306)

Disregarding continuity.....

Do these guys know how to write a script?

What I do not understand, is why they keep on adding what seems to be totally unnecessary content. First was the drastic change of characters, fine. Second came the love triangle, fine. Then at the last moment, we get a flashback and now this. Why?

The question is no longer "do they know how to write a script", rather, I think the question is "what are their goals?" or "do they even have a goal?"

Frankly, I don't know what the crew is trying to accomplish here.

- Tak

yezhanquan

2009-08-30 22:52

I think the crew themselves are having a punch-card mentality in this production.

HunterSeeker

2009-08-30 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiroth (Post 2614948)

It's not too hard to understand though.
If someday after you suddenly find your friend is an uncontrollable WMD which can go off at anytime, it must take some time to overcome such fear. It'll be nice if they can accept her on spot, but their doubts aren't really that surprising.

Besides, not the whole squadis rejecting her......Though numbers aren't a significant factor in this matter.

Father Hentai

2009-08-31 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiroth (Post 2614948)

I think the problem is not that they do not want to give her backup but moreover that they do not know how to react that it came out that she is a valkyria. The only one who is seing Alicia as Alicia is Welkin. Even Alicia does not see herself who she is.

One thing in the series. I know the regulars are since the beginning of the series but this is the first time that I recognize their unit sign is a D E (rotated) (german abbreviation for Deutschland). :heh:

SoggySoyBean

2009-08-31 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Father Hentai (Post 2615473)

One thing in the series. I know the regulars are since the beginning of the series but this is the first time that I recognize their unit sign is a D E (rotated) (german abbreviation for Deutschland). :heh:

Really? I think I missed that o.0 where is it?

Father Hentai

2009-08-31 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoggySoyBean (Post 2616364)

Really? I think I missed that o.0 where is it?

The units signum is on the left shoulder of the officers.

Manji Midou

2009-08-31 16:49

Quote:

Someone really needs to shoot that fat ass already as I am sick of seeing his ugly face. What an idiot of a commander.

He will get what's coming to him pretty soon, that's all l'll say on the matter. :heh:

kraken

2009-08-31 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manji Midou (Post 2616647)

He will get what's coming to him pretty soon, that's all l'll say on the matter. :heh:

I don't understand why the anime show so much an ininteresting, idiot and minor character as Damon

Manji Midou

2009-08-31 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by kraken (Post 2616667)

I don't understand why the anime show so much an ininteresting, idiot and minor character as Damon

Damon is there to show the viewers that in war you will find fools who only do things for their best interestest in mind before others on both sides....
to show that not everyone who is fighting for good....is really a good guy... and those who are considered villains are not all bad people ( Jaeger comes into mind)

Runty

2009-08-31 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manji Midou (Post 2616771)

QFT.

In war, no one is free of sin, and no side can ever be "the good guys". Even Jaeger is fighting for some pretty selfish reasons.

Damon, sure, he's a pompous jackass who'd throw another man in front of a tank just to save his skin. But no one can really say he's disloyal to Gallia.

Looking at this war in just black-and-white won't let you see very much.

Father Hentai

2009-09-01 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runty (Post 2616859)

Sorry but Jäger is fighting for the sake of his country not for his own profit. This was explained a few times when he had his chats with Maximilian and especially in the episode where the Feds kidnapped Cordelia.

The point with Damon is somehow tricky. With him you have a higher ranked officer and a career wh0re. He is one who does not care how his underlings do their job or how much resources you throw into a battle. The win only counts. Such superiors are really arseholes but yeah. They were not uncommon in WWI and WWII.

Belum_nabum

2009-09-01 05:16

I am sad!

I only have tears flowing out. I will leave at that until subs come out! Alicia.....I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU! We all have feelings and I have mines developed enough to not be able to stop TT_TT at the following scenes:
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...0831060815.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...0831060855.jpg
BTW

Spoiler:

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