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sayde 2012-02-07 13:17

[MANGA] Bleach Chapter 480 Discussion
 
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Source: Ohana
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Status: Confirmed
Spoiler for chapter 480:

Mr. DJ 2012-02-07 13:27

This isn't looking very promising for a start...oi

Aqua Knight 2012-02-07 13:29

1st sentence is full of win :)

Randrak42 2012-02-07 14:10

Standard Kubo "meh" arc start

Lord of Pandemonium 2012-02-07 14:38

How can you tell it's "meh" without knowing anything?

This was posted in thread for the last chapter but I figured I answer it here.

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Originally Posted by Kafriel (Post 3985996)
Why did he sacrifice an arm and all of the battle time he had at his disposal for a kido instead of releasing his sword though?

Because he couldn't use his sword. WW was created to seal it. He prevented him from releasing new flames--but the flames that he'd already let loose were also absorbed by WW and he was about to go POP and Yama's flames he consumed were about to burn the sky down (if such a thing is even possible:heh:) so he had no choice but to use the kido as last ditch effort.
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Originally Posted by hyl (Post 3984640)
So why could Soi Fon recover her arm, while Yamamoto couldn't? Couldn't he have asked Mayuri or even Orihime to recover his lost arm back then?

Because it wouldn't be a "sacrifice" if he got his arm back. He gave it up to save everyone. To heal it would make his sacrifice a token one--a bullshit one at that

I am stoked, can't wait to see what new and exciting things Kubo has in store for us...

ntherblast 2012-02-07 15:53

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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ (Post 3992486)
This isn't looking very promising for a start...oi

what did you expect the author took 3 weeks off so he could come up with subpar content

Freya 2012-02-07 16:02

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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ (Post 3992486)
This isn't looking very promising for a start...oi

rofl expected of kubo. Final arc it may be but it'll probably stretch out to like 2 years.

Lord of Pandemonium 2012-02-07 17:39

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Originally Posted by ntherblast (Post 3992699)
what did you expect the author took 3 weeks off so he could come up with subpar content

OMG YOU READ THE CHAPTER??! OH OH OH!! WHERE WHERE?!?! :hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^:

At least you could wait till you have the chapter in front of you and then bash him You don't know if it's subpar or not. Ohana doesn't like Bleach so she doesn't give that many details--you can't judge a chapter by the spoiler--you know what. Never mind---you just reminded me why I don't bother to visit this forum anymore :upset:

*walks away in disgust*

Randrak42 2012-02-07 17:54

Geez LoP...stop being so defensive...

Chiisai Kuma 2012-02-07 21:42

so tempting to look at spoilers!!!!!!!! *yells a where i get my manga translations from over twitter for being so slow*

Jarppa 2012-02-08 03:16

Sometimes it seems that im about only one who is kinda sad that bleach is ending somewhere in next few years after this arc :)

Oh sure its slow and sometimes stupid but its bleach and you just read chapters weekly and you can say its habit and not that bad habit either.

Excelion 2012-02-08 03:21

Hollows erased from existence...sounds like the Quincy if my memory serves me correctly. The intro page with the antagonists sure look like something a quincy might wear too. I dunno, so maybe its a quincy vs shinigami war arc. I don't speculate much, but that's my two cents. I thought the Quincy were supposed to be eradicated. Eliminating Hollows is supposed to be bad because it upsets the balance of souls in the living world and SS or some such.

I read someone else here posting about how each arc has sort of focused on one of Rukia, Chad, and Orihime. I suppose this is Ishida's arc. Maybe if the balance of souls is upset enough then the Royal Guard will intervene.

Nintendo 2012-02-08 03:23

quincys are back....the blood war....seems like we will be getting a final arc of....quincy.

ShiroiRyu 2012-02-08 03:24

Lol ...
Waited 3 weeks for that ? x_x

Langus 2012-02-08 03:26

Have the chapter in front of me... absolutely nothing of consequence happens.

The title of the final arc is:
Spoiler for Title:


There are strong suggestions the Quincy are involved...*sigh*

Von Himmel 2012-02-08 03:26

Wait wait wait, what did they mean by final arc? First Negima and now this? ;_;

Slayerx 2012-02-08 03:29

Chapter is out...
not really much to praise or complain about... which is an improvement from the entire last arc

spoilers left out that apparently hollows are running amok more than usual and someone mysterious has been wiping them out... Also the situation for the two noobs is quite dire before Ichigo shows up...

And who is "them" who are able to wipe out hollows? Its either the quincys or Kubo might be pulling the same BS he pulled with the fullbring by making up a new group on the spot. I'm leaning towards the quincys

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Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium (Post 3992585)
Because it wouldn't be a "sacrifice" if he got his arm back. He gave it up to save everyone. To heal it would make his sacrifice a token one--a bullshit one at that

Its's BS no matter how you look at it.

Kubo wrote himself into a corner; he created healing abilities for his characters that are so powerful that he no longer has an explanation for why someone can't be healed or revived... With what Orihime was able to do for Grimjow's arm and Menoly, there's no reason why she should not be able to do the same for Yamaji. We also have soi fon who lost her whole arm but still managed to get it back. Only possible explanation would be he's too prideful to get it healed, which is rather foolish since that means he is alloying himself, the strongest shimigami in SS, to go on with a handicap for no practical reason.

The fact that that there should be nothing stopping him from getting his arm healed tarnishes his "sacrifice". Giving up an arm means very little when you have the means to fix it

Xion Valkyrie 2012-02-08 04:41

I thought the chapter was okay for the start of a new arc. Although I thought it was stated earlier that the Quincies were down to the last 2?

Anyways, it also completely makes the previous arc feel like a filler arc.

ronin myael 2012-02-08 05:48

wow! i was surprised by the amount of content in this chapter. LOL

let's hope this hollow disappearance business has really something to do with the quincy. it's time we know more about them. i just wish kubo would also tell us WHO THE HELL ISSHIN IS! the answer to that mystery is long overdue, way overdue if you ask me.

onepiece4ever 2012-02-08 05:49

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Originally Posted by Slayerx (Post 3993663)
Chapter is out...
not really much to praise or complain about... which is an improvement from the entire last arc

spoilers left out that apparently hollows are running amok more than usual and someone mysterious has been wiping them out... Also the situation for the two noobs is quite dire before Ichigo shows up...

And who is "them" who are able to wipe out hollows? Its either the quincys or Kubo might be pulling the same BS he pulled with the fullbring by making up a new group on the spot. I'm leaning towards the quincys


Its's BS no matter how you look at it.

Kubo wrote himself into a corner; he created healing abilities for his characters that are so powerful that he no longer has an explanation for why someone can't be healed or revived... With what Orihime was able to do for Grimjow's arm and Menoly, there's no reason why she should not be able to do the same for Yamaji. We also have soi fon who lost her whole arm but still managed to get it back. Only possible explanation would be he's too prideful to get it healed, which is rather foolish since that means he is alloying himself, the strongest shimigami in SS, to go on with a handicap for no practical reason.

The fact that that there should be nothing stopping him from getting his arm healed tarnishes his "sacrifice". Giving up an arm means very little when you have the means to fix it

well he's more badass now if he had handicap just like shanks....

onepiece4ever 2012-02-08 05:55

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Originally Posted by ShiroiRyu (Post 3993654)
Lol ...
Waited 3 weeks for that ? x_x

don't expect anything in one chapter...
be patient :eyespin: mayuri

Shiroth 2012-02-08 06:04

This felt like a first chapter of a brand new series. I expect nothing less from Kubo after a three week break. :heh:

haegar 2012-02-08 06:09

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1...benanntegc.jpg

I like her character design. Bit like a foulmouthed badtempered crossover between Rukia and SoiFon :heh:

other than that can't comment much on this chapter without getting kinda aggro on in how far it is worth it for people like Kubo to take a three weeks break to get a better arc started...

A Quincy Arc involving supposedly a renegade Quincy faction going overboard, tying in Isshin and Ishida's dad as well as the King's Guard into the past history of it actually might make for a nice arc - if it were written well, that is:heh:

Casshern 2012-02-08 07:27

He just couldn't let those two die. What a wus...

Haak 2012-02-08 08:07

It wouldn't be Bleach if there wasn't a Big Damn Heroes somewhere. :heh:

ntherblast 2012-02-08 08:15

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Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie (Post 3993755)
I thought the chapter was okay for the start of a new arc. Although I thought it was stated earlier that the Quincies were down to the last 2?

Anyways, it also completely makes the previous arc feel like a filler arc.

Oh but you didn't know kubo is good and randomly pulling things out of his rear somehow more of them survived

kiak666 2012-02-08 08:39

Well, Bleach is entering into its final arc. I'm not sure how I really feel about this at the moment. I just hope that it could go out with a decent bang (the battles from the last arc, especially Ichigo vs Ginjo, was just too anti-climatic). Also, I'm kind of surprised Kubo decided to use the Quincies (heavily implied to be them) as the last villains of the series.

HayashiTakara 2012-02-08 08:59

I thought I would make a comment after such a long time, but wooo, Bleach is finally on it's final arc. Hopefully Kubo doesn't OD before he finishes :heh:

Aqua Knight 2012-02-08 09:09

I think the last arc name isn't symbolism. I mean knowing Kubo it can really last thousand years :)
Also 2 new enemies at the beginning of the chapter with long hair?

Frailty 2012-02-08 09:11

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Originally Posted by Langus (Post 3993659)
Have the chapter in front of me... absolutely nothing of consequence happens.

The title of the final arc is:
Spoiler for Title:


There are strong suggestions the Quincy are involved...*sigh*

nah, I'd say this is about a war between SS and the Hueco Mundo
shinigamis have been hunting down hollows for thousands of generations

IIRC, the quincy-shinigami war ended already (and I think this was the reason why there are only 2 of em left)

anyway, the figures looks like humans so.... Vasto Lorde?

with the hollow outbreak going on, I'd say they're trying to free Aizen

kiak666 2012-02-08 09:19

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Originally Posted by Frailty (Post 3994157)
nah, I'd say this is about a war between SS and the Hueco Mundo
shinigamis have been hunting down hollows for thousands of generations

IIRC, the quincy-shinigami war ended already (and I think this was the reason why there are only 2 of em left)

anyway, the figures looks like humans so.... Vasto Lorde?

with the hollow outbreak going on, I'd say they're trying to free Aizen

Actually, if you look at the comment Mayuri made during the chapter, it heavily implies that the Quincies were responsible for the recent events happening in SS.

Langus 2012-02-08 09:51

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Originally Posted by Frailty (Post 3994157)
nah, I'd say this is about a war between SS and the Hueco Mundo
shinigamis have been hunting down hollows for thousands of generations

IIRC, the quincy-shinigami war ended already (and I think this was the reason why there are only 2 of em left)

anyway, the figures looks like humans so.... Vasto Lorde?

with the hollow outbreak going on, I'd say they're trying to free Aizen

It has been stated previously (at the beginning of the manga) that Quincy powers differ from Shinigami powers in that Quincies aim to destroy hollows while Shinigami purify them instead. Big difference. It was part of the original conflict between Ichigo & Ishida.

Frailty 2012-02-08 10:24

you guys have a point


not to mention the clothes looks similar to what Uryuu's wearing. But the Espada were wearing white coats too so, I'm not too sure

what would Aizen's role be if this was another Shinigami-Quincy war
I'm pretty certain he'd make an escape somehow

~Yami~ 2012-02-08 10:26

finally it's here..... final arc of Bleach....
not a very amusing opening.... no more Afro-shinigami in Karakura... xD

it's better if they involve every faction in final arc.... Fullbringer's, Vizards, Shinigami, Ichigo's team, Quincy, and Arrancar (no one forget Nel, right?)
looking forward for this chapter.... maybe I can get excited again just like what Kubo-sensei has done for years

Haak 2012-02-08 10:26

What's to say the Quincy stop being Quincy when they die?

Lendial 2012-02-08 10:43

i wonder how hes going to integrate aizen into the story arc.

BISHOU NO TERESA 2012-02-08 10:46

i dont get it, what is a final arc? last arc of the series? or latest?

also, are there going to be any vasto lordes? (i want to see some vasto)

Frailty 2012-02-08 10:49

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Originally Posted by BISHOU NO TERESA (Post 3994322)
i dont get it, what is a final arc? last arc of the series? or latest?

the last arc
after this arc finishes, Bleach is done

Lord of Pandemonium 2012-02-08 11:32

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Originally Posted by Slayerx (Post 3993663)


Its's BS no matter how you look at it.

Kubo wrote himself into a corner; he created healing abilities for his characters that are so powerful that he no longer has an explanation for why someone can't be healed or revived... With what Orihime was able to do for Grimjow's arm and Menoly, there's no reason why she should not be able to do the same for Yamaji. We also have soi fon who lost her whole arm but still managed to get it back. Only possible explanation would be he's too prideful to get it healed, which is rather foolish since that means he is alloying himself, the strongest shimigami in SS, to go on with a handicap for no practical reason.

The fact that that there should be nothing stopping him from getting his arm healed tarnishes his "sacrifice".

No it's not BS-

sacrifice: To forfeit something for something else considered to have a greater value
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Originally Posted by Slayerx (Post 3993663)
Giving up an arm means very little when you have the means to fix it

If it meant very little, because he could fix it...:uhoh:...that would make it NOT a sacrifice and bullshit token act of heroism
Sacrifice does not mean giving up something for nothing; it means giving up one thing for something else we believe is worth more
There is a "No Back-sies" rule of Sacrifice. He can't get it back. He Sacrificed it. It can't be fixed because he didn't give it up, he didn't say --"this a temporary loan. I want my arm back after this is over with" He TRADED his arm for their lives

Kubo didn't write himself into a corner ---It-was-a-SACRIFICE


LOVED THE CHAPTER--but my pain over Bleach ending is keeping me from squeeing right now....

Haak 2012-02-08 11:37

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Originally Posted by Lord of Pandemonium (Post 3994407)
No it's not BS-

sacrifice: To forfeit something for something else considered to have a greater value

If it meant very little, because he could fix it...:uhoh:...that would make it NOT a sacrifice and bullshit token act of heroism
Sacrifice does not mean giving up something for nothing; it means giving up one thing for something else we believe is worth more
There is a "No Back-sies" rule of Sacrifice. He can't get it back. He Sacrificed it. It can't be fixed because he didn't give it up, he didn't say --"this a temporary loan. I want my arm back after this is over with" He TRADED his arm for their lives

Kubo didn't write himself into a corner ---It-was-a-SACRIFICE

A sacrifice that doesn't need to be a sacrifice is kinda silly though really.

I can't imagine someone not wanting to have their limb back if they could, just because it would cheapen the their altruism, but that's probably because in Yamamoto's case we were never really given a reason why his logic would be so warped, removed from reality, different to what is common. And we've not been given any indication that that's what Yamamoto thought anyway (since we had to confirm his lost arm through an interview in the first place) so it's really just baseless speculation.

It seems like Kubo wrote himself into a corner really. It was essential a choice between a Fantastic Aesop and a Broken Aesop, of sorts.


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