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Westlo 2011-11-05 16:32

Nisekoi (Komi Naoshi - Double Arts)
 
New series starting in JUMP Issue #48.

http://i.imgur.com/wMKcC.jpg

A Romantic Comedy from Komi Naoshi the mangaka of Double Arts.

There is a one shot for this already translated, from what I've read the serialized manga has quite a few changes from the one shot though. So maybe it's best to wait until you've read the proper manga before the one shot so your expectations aren't changed....

Johnny 2011-11-05 17:13

Just checked out the raw...
Spoiler:

Nightengale 2011-11-06 03:56

Scanlation is out.

The debut chapter isn't particularly outstanding 'per say', but there's really only so much one can do with this kind of set-up.

I'm happy about the characters and the dynamics of the relationship thus far, at least. It's very expressive, without feeling too subdued or being too unrealistic.

But man... what a tweest...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny (Post 3843709)
Not sure what the deal was with her holding the key at the end...

Spoiler:

Johnny 2011-11-06 04:15

^Ah, looks like...
Spoiler:

SoFarGone 2011-11-06 05:06

oneshot is better as of now.

ShiroiRyu 2011-11-06 05:11

I confirm : the thing she is NOT the one is good.

Aesthetic Shampoo 2011-11-06 07:53

I liked chapter 1 more than the one shot. I didn't see the twists coming.

typhonsentra 2011-11-06 10:09

Generic romcom comic is generic. Seriously, they could've tried to do something, anything new but didn't.

jzmagic 2011-11-06 10:53

I liked the oneshot, hopefully this doesn't get cancelled.

Irenicus 2011-11-06 10:56

Can anyone say, Slap Slap Kiss? :heh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightengale (Post 3844540)
Spoiler:

Alternatively, she is The One after all, but for some convoluted reason the other girl is holding the key in safekeeping. This twist has a precedent in a certain genre-defining harem romantic comedy. It's less fun that way though.

Okashira 2011-11-06 11:25

The girl from the one shot was soo much better than the ones in the serialization (a forced to become perfectionist due to a romantic deception); besides that the serialization is pretty much better in every aspect, it flows better, has a more complete premise with a love triangle and is less cheezy where it needs to be less cheezy.

Not incredibly original nor anything, but it has the chance of flowing naturally into a fun yet not new story.

Nightengale 2011-11-06 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irenicus (Post 3845015)
Alternatively, she is The One after all, but for some convoluted reason the other girl is holding the key in safekeeping. This twist has a precedent in a certain genre-defining harem romantic comedy. It's less fun that way though.

Yeah... That Legendary RomCom, which told of legends of The Promised Girl as well leaving so much fiery battles behind over The Victorious One and The One Who Should Had Won.

I never liked that tweest, so I'll go with the assumption that she is not The One until hinted otherwise later on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okashira (Post 3845051)
The girl from the one shot was soo much better than the ones in the serialization (a forced to become perfectionist due to a romantic deception)

But the romantic deception hasn't even happened unlike the one-shot. :confused:

Unless you're referring to something else in particular.

Okashira 2011-11-06 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightengale (Post 3845058)
But the romantic deception hasn't even happened unlike the one-shot. :confused:

Unless you're referring to something else in particular.

The one from the one shot was the perfectionist, and the deception was that she tried to fulfill the "always together" local legend and the other part didn't seem interested in the least.

Also, she was cuter :heh:

The one from the serialization seems to be a simple run out the mill kind hearted extremist tsundere, the other one is the usual soft spoken inchou.

felix 2011-11-06 11:47

Uh... kinda feels disappointing. I (still) don't like gorilla girl; though she's a tad better in this version. I actually liked how the focused on the families more then the classmates in the oneshot, felt like this was a step back. Well maybe it gets better later on since the setting is pretty good and easy comedy territory.

jzmagic 2011-11-06 11:48

There's going to be some stiff competition for the rom-coms in WSJ to not get cut, especially since it isn't kind to this genre.

Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa
Magico
Nisekoi

It's unfortunate but I expect at least one of those will be cancelled.

Narzia 2011-11-06 11:49

I just can't see this running for a long time. Double Arts had it's own world that could be explored, a story that could've reached a large scale. Not to mention a nice dynamic between the two leads.

This? This has nothing. It's your run-of-the-mill shounen romcom. It doesn't even have a particular twist that makes it original. It really feels stitched-together out of several cliches.
I hate to be always pessimistic like this but I honestly can't see anything beyond the usual shounen stuff: misunderstandings, lack of depth, no progress and a lot of humor that is, probably, not of the good kind.

I can already see the cancellation.

felix 2011-11-06 11:51

@jzmagic

Don't think Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa is likely to get canned.

asbo 2011-11-06 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narzia (Post 3845082)
I just can't see this running for a long time. Double Arts had it's own world that could be explored, a story that could've reached a large scale. Not to mention a nice dynamic between the two leads.

This? This has nothing. It's your run-of-the-mill shounen romcom. It doesn't even have a particular twist that makes it original. It really feels stitched-together out of several cliches.
I hate to be always pessimistic like this but I honestly can't see anything beyond the usual shounen stuff: misunderstandings, lack of depth, no progress and a lot of humor that is, probably, not of the good kind.

I can already see the cancellation.

What's all the hate about?
From the first chapter it seems that this new manga is pretty good, btw magico will be cancelled

jzmagic 2011-11-06 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by felix (Post 3845085)
@jzmagic

Don't think Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa is likely to get canned.

His track record isn't too great, with Mx0 and Pretty Face, both rom coms getting canned. Whether its safe right now or not, I'm not sure what the rankings are, but I'll always be on guard for a potential axe.

I think Magico might be the safest out of the 3, because it doubles as a battle manga and has a more expansive universe that can be explored. Of course I'm also biased so I hope it does survive if it comes down to it.

Merilyn Mensola 2011-11-06 12:23

I read the first chapter...the story introduction is good..i like it..

Well..look for this!

Von Himmel 2011-11-08 14:18

Oh damn I'm late!? I've read the one-shot long ago but I forgot what the title was when I see this thread 2-3 days ago :heh:

Can't wait for the next chapter :D

Okashira 2011-11-12 15:33

chap 2 is out, again it uses the material from the oneshot and properly introduces the right hand guys from each organization.

Spoiler:

SoFarGone 2011-11-12 16:14

2nd chapter was better than the first.

ShiroiRyu 2011-11-12 18:31

Yes Okashira, the beginning, they used from the O-S.

jzmagic 2011-11-12 18:42

I wonder how he's going to explain the situation to the girl holding the key. He should just tell her the truth, but we all know how that will go.

Von Himmel 2011-11-12 19:49

That Claude is going to be annoying :uhoh:

ShiroiRyu 2011-11-22 04:29

Spoiler for 3:

Von Himmel 2011-11-22 04:41

Spoiler:

Ravenblitz 2011-11-22 04:45

well typical 1st date scenario XD

Shadow5YA 2011-11-22 10:34

There's so much tsun from the main couple.

typhonsentra 2011-11-22 12:01

Oh God, the whole "Guy saves tsundere from guys hitting on her" scenario.

jzmagic 2011-11-22 14:38

I think the stun needs to be toned down a little.

MeroBAKA 2011-11-24 16:04

The main hero wants to see a cute film that makes cry and calls the girl a b***. That's so dissonant in terms of character build-up. :confused: Anyway, I don't like vulgarity.

It was actually interesting to see the differences between the first chapter and the oneshot. The author has added the right ingredients to make a long series and he has polished so much the first chapter to be perfect. Everything was cleaned, fast-paced and gorgeous. But while it is well executed, the topic itself does not thrill me.

For a few years now there has been only one romantic comedy in Jump, if they continue that, it is hard to tell for me which one between Kagami and Nisekoi will be dropped.

PS: What's the cross in his hair?

Irenicus 2011-11-24 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeroBAKA (Post 3871869)
The main hero wants to see a cute film that makes cry and calls the girl a b***. That's so dissonant in terms of character build-up. :confused: Anyway, I don't like vulgarity.

You've got to read the raws and see what words are actually used, I guess. We don't know if the translator make that choice because he really said a Japanese equivalent of that word or if the sentiment is being emphasized more than what was originally there.

daku_noroi 2011-11-25 06:29

isn't this manga always say bad words?

Shadow5YA 2011-11-25 12:01

The two are heirs to yakuza clans. I wouldn't be surprised if they did use foul language all the time.

However, what bothers me is the excessive amount of tsun with the main couple. It's not just the girl.

KLGChaos 2011-11-25 12:08

I'm not really sold on this. Really cliche, a lead girl who's completely unlikable, way too much yelling at each other in every panel, a nice girl with no personality who's basically there to get hurt at the end, etc. Very few people can do tsundere right... sadly, I don't think this mangaka has the ability.

A lot of authors don't understand that what a character like Naru great was that she was only tsundere at certain times-- like when Kentaro did something perverted (even accidentally) or really cool. The rest of the time, she was a normal person. All these new age tsunderes are basically just one dimensional archetypes who have no personality outside of the tsundere type. They don't know how to turn it off... and it's made worse when most of them are tsun 90% of the time with very little dere to counterbalance it.

daku_noroi 2011-11-25 12:21

but i think chitoge(?) is yandere right?

felix 2011-11-25 15:28

@KLGChaos

The main girl is not a tsundere.

Ravenblitz 2011-11-26 20:17

misunderstandings lead after another anyways this is pretty interesting love triangle for now :heh:


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