KanColle - Historical references and History discussion
Welcome to the Historical references thread for Kancolle.
As you know, Kancolle makes a lot of references to what actually happened in the Pacific War during World War II. Therefore, it is very likely that some operations or characters are directly referring to these actual events from the past, which might not be obvious for some people. In order not to clutter too much the other threads, please use this one for discussion related to these historical references. However, please do not derail this thread to a dedicated thread about WWII or the Pacific War. |
Well, getting things started: the multicolored smoke when the four Kongo sisters pose in Episode 4 is based off the dye marker they used for their shells IRL.
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Interesting to note that the CA-class kanmusus are teachers/lecturers, coaches, instructors and staffs. I'm curious about their careers in their fields that made them fitting to be these.
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during the kongo role call, Hiei, Haruna, and Kirishima were showing their assembly dockyards before their black ship selves.
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And most of the 1CarDiv pilots dislike the 5CarDiv pilots since the latter are mostly greenhorns. Quote:
IRL? We'll have to ask our resident historian here. :heh: Quote:
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Technically, and practically too, there are no CharDiv 1 and 5 anymore. Escept of course this and next episode just tell the story from other ships perspective and are not in the right chronological order. (Would still be btter than the chronological order they pulled at Haruhi...) |
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There is alot of factionalism back in the Japanese forces back then when they rolled around the world. The IJA Malayan Command had lots of problems with HQ (some sort of rivalry between the Tojo ball-carriers and his detractors), and they weren't receptive of the IJN, which sat there and do pretty much nothing until Yamashita took over Singapore (the poor guy got sidelined by Tojo and was sent back to Manchuko). It was until the Americans hammered them in Midway/Guadalcanal and started the Solomon campaign did they start having some sort coordination between the IJN and the 25th Army, under the Southern Expeditionary Army's Tokyo Express. |
No reason for Kitakami to dislike destroyers in particular. She was designed as a light cruiser to lead destroyer squadrons. I was thinking it was a collision, but that was with the light cruiser Abukuma. maybe her duty changes when she was converted to a torpedo cruiser. but that would just make her lead of a night attack squadron for torpedo runs.
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What's the ship lore of these 4 loli ship foursome group?
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^ then scrapped as she was used for target practice.
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Though that was in the 60s or 1970, around the time Yukikaze ended her career with Taiwan.
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Imho one can't talk about Ikazuchi's humanitarian act after the Second Battle of the Java Sea without mentioning her then captain, lieutenant commander Kudou Shunsaku. Spoiler for Life history:
The man that would probably be like a father to the DesDiv 6 girls was blessed with a strong physique and had a dan in Judo. His warm and broad-minded character led to the nickname "Buddha Kudou" (工藤大佛). Influenced by Suzuki Kantarou who was principal during his Academy years, Kudou strictly prohibited the "law of the fist" under his command (which is rare in the oppressive Japanese military environment) and got along well with his men (ships where he was CO were said to have a comfortable feel). He was also a decisive leader and didn't sweat the minor issues, which earned the trust of his men. After the war, he never attended any of the IJN old boy gatherings but would instead pray before the Buddha every morning for the friends and subordinates that had died in battle. http://i.imgur.com/ziWnPNgl.jpg |
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The Battle of Savo Island (probably the largest single loss for the US Navy in the war) the Japanese had a line of five heavy cruisers, one of the 10 guns cruisers (Takao-class Chokai) leading the four 6 guns cruisers of the Furutaka and Aoba classes. These five heavy cruisers were leading two light cruisers (the at that time old Tenryuu, and the newer, slightly more advanced, Yuubari) and one destroyer, Yunagi, an old Kamikaze-class, older than the Mutsuki-class. (Yunagi's sistership Hayate has the distinction of being the first Japanese ship sunk in the war..before Kisaragi.)
These ships sank three American heavy cruisers and damaged an Australian heavy cruiser enough that it was scuttled several hours later. Two American destroyers were also damaged. Only three of the Japanese cruisers were damaged. Kako was sunk later by submarine on the way home. |
Disclaimer: This post contains findings from Japanese sources. As my grasp on the Japanese language is hardly assuring, chances are that I may have gotten something wrong in the process. Corrections if any will be greatly appreciated =3
I was browsing wiki for the 4th Fleet Incident and came across Fujimoto Kikuo, who was the IJN's main naval architect together with his senior, Hiraga Yuzuru. Spoiler for TL:DR? =3:
If Yuubari and the Furutaka, Aoba, Myoukou, Sendai and Yamato sisters, all of whom were designed by Hiraga, can be considered to be his daughters, then Hatsuharu-class as well as the Mogami and Takao sisters would be Fujimoto's. In fact, some feel that Fujimoto should be credited for Yuubari instead, claiming that he was the real architect behind her creation =3 Btw, just in case you're wondering why the sudden interest in the 4th Fleet Incident, that's because of today's Fubuki Ganbarimasu (chapter 74) =3 Sources: Wikipedia: On Fujimoto Kikuo: JP entry, CN entry On Hiraga Yuzuru: JP entry Baidu (CN): 藤本喜久雄 (Fujimoto Kikuo) 平贺让 (Hiraga Yuzuru) 二战霓虹海军的急先锋..... (an article of the history of the IJN heavy cruisers) Additional: 平賀「譲らないもん絶対」の平賀博士 @ 軍事ちゃんねる!!(JP) |
So Yuubari's little armor and top heavy was Fujomoto's idea? (was surprised at the lack of seaplanes for the light cruiser....)
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It was early as well. The Tenryu-class didn't have seaplanes either. Though Yuubari was more a large destroyer with nice guns than a light cruiser. Built to have the firepower of the Sendai-class at roughly half the tonnage.
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You can't necessary blame Hiiraga on this issue of welding. Japan had to bring in German experts and import compounds to address the welding issues. It was unfortunate that Japan only went back to welding for the Matsu/Tachibana class when it was just too late, but Japan really didn't have the maturity to deploy arc welding in the 20s and 30s.
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While the Long Lance torpedo was intended a great equalizer against the more numberous Allied ships for night battles, the oxygen torpedoes probably sunk or heavly damaged more Japanese ships than Allied ships. This includes ships that had their torpedoes explode in the tubes due to fires (and possibly scuttling other ships).
The planned tactic would be to use the Long Lance at long range, outside the normal American visual range (at night) as the Japanese had excellent optics and night training. Then they might open fire with flashless powder to not give away their position to the enemy. This sort of worked, save several captains and crews did not follow procedure. There were several instances of the use of spotlights, which tended to get the ship using them blown out of the water by all the Allied ships, as it was the only clear target. Plus by the time the American radar fire control systems became more reliable, the Japanese could expect the Americans to fire before the Japanese launched torpedoes. The Americans also whiching to flashless powder helped later in the war to counter the Japanese night fighting. When the Japanese torpedo tactics did work, the American did not know they had been attacked by torpedoes and assumed they had run into a minefield, and acted accordingly. |
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@Ithreko: Oh I thought it was a gimped light cruiser (as opposed to Tenryuu being a destroyer+) |
She was a scout cruiser. The American Omaha-class light cruisers were suppose to be scout cruisers to go with a new wave of fast destroyers (Clemson-class) and the original design for the Lexington-class battlecruisers. A 35 knot scouting fleet.
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I mean Madoka Melon-chan Yuubari
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And now we have come to Truk, a major forward fleet base for the IJN, and Yamamoto's headquarters for awhile.
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I mean Yuubari as well. She was designed as a scout cruiser. Tenryuu was designed as an enlarged destroyer leader, except the speed of the new destroyers was greater than expected from when Tenryuu was designed. |
As for the Abyssals breaking Kanmusu codes, that's a reference to the US Navy's codebreakers, who broke Japanese codes just prior to Midway.
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Only fit so much in under 3,000 tons.
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More like the firepower of a 5,000 ton light cruiser on a large 3,000 ton destroyer. She had no plane, and only a fewer and lighter torpedoes compared to the other light cruiser and special type destroyers. She was fairly fast.
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Fairly to refer to the destroyer engine's installed into her...
They also said something about merging the armor with the structure. |
Two Kamikaze Pilot's Reprive
Considering that the IJN lost air superiority after Midway after 1CarDiv was sunk, the Kamikaze was a desperate option. |
For some reason, Bismarck has less armor and firepower than the Yamato... did the builder realize that they will only fight land battles?
(Maus, part of Hitler's love for big things, could have worked as a ship than a tank...) |
Considering the huge difference between the two, I don't see how they could possibily have the same stats.
Yamato had 46cm cannons and a belt armor of 410mm, Bismark "merely" had 38cm and a belt armor of 320mm. As to why the germans didn't copy the Japanese, most likely due to how they didn't have the same technology and how Yamato is pretty much impracticable. I'm pretty sure the germans didn't share the same philosophy about the battleships anyway. |
The Germans were building what is basically a large surface raider that could challenge the Royal Navy one on one. Germany was behind in naval construction due to the treaties and aftermath of World War One. So Bismarck is based somewhat on the last class of battleship Germany built in 1916.
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Ah okay, Germany wants 1 on 1 and Yamato is: everything vs everything....
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IIRC, German battleships were mostly pushed by Hitler for "prestige" reasons. And war came too early for the Kriegmarine to build a sizeable surface combat fleet.
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