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Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-17 13:13
Toradora! Novel Discussion
 
Hello! This is about the novel series called Toradora! It has been discussed in this thread here as it is planned to be animated and aired pretty soon:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=64609

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...me_1_cover.jpg


But the original novel it is adapted from has not been explored nor licensed yet!

So here is a short synopsis:

Quote:
Toradora! (とらドラ！, Toradora!?) is a Japanese light novel series by Yuyuko Takemiya, with illustrations by Yasu. The first novel was released on March 10, 2006, and as of April 10, 2008, seven volumes have been published by ASCII Media Works under their Dengeki Bunko label. A spin-off light novel series was also created aptly titled Toradora Spin-off!; the first novel in the spin-off series was released on May 10, 2007. A manga adaptation by Zekkyō started serialization in the shōnen manga magazine Dengeki Comic Gao! on July 27, 2007, formally published by MediaWorks. The manga ended serialization in Dengeki Comic Gao! on January 27, 2008, but continued serialization in ASCII Media Works' manga magazine Dengeki Daioh on March 21, 2008. An anime adaptation was announced on a retail promotional ad for Dengeki Bunko light novels.[1] The title Toradora! is derived from the names of the two main characters Taiga Aisaka and Ryūji Takasu. Taiga's name can be transliterated into the English equivalent tiger, and tiger in Japanese is tora (虎, tora?). The first part of Ryūji's name, ryū (竜, ryū?), means dragon in Japanese, and a transliteration of dragon into Japanese is doragon (ドラゴン, doragon?).

At Baka-Tsuki we are planning to start a translation, Kinny has gracefully helped to translate for us! rejoice!

You can read it here:

http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/in...le=Toradora%21

Please voice your comments here at the Baka-Tsuki forum, here:

http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/vie...hp?f=44&t=1995

Oh and if anyone has the novel we would like some nice scans of the illustration if you can, since Kinny's only good at translations.
:p


it's looking fun to read. so why don't you give it a go?

;)

serenade_beta 2008-04-17 13:23
Hoh~~, Kinny is really planning to translate it.
Mah, ganbatte.

I wanted to get the novels, but I won't be able to for at least five months. Bought a certain other series in place of this... :p

Though I couldn't scan it even if I got them... -_-

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-17 13:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 1541675)
Hoh~~, Kinny is really planning to translate it.
Mah, ganbatte.

I wanted to get the novels, but I won't be able to for at least five months. Bought a certain other series in place of this... :p

Though I couldn't scan it even if I got them... -_-
if you get the novel, will you help out on the novel beta?

...or do you have far too many already? :p

serenade_beta 2008-04-17 17:07
For the thread:





Quote:
Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO (Post 1541713)
if you get the novel, will you help out on the novel beta?

...or do you have far too many already? :p
Mm, I would say it depends on circumstances. Like how interesting the novels are, and the difficulty of translating it.

Too many what? Novels?


From what you said in the anime thread, this will be the thread to discuss the novels (to be honest, not many here read light novels in JP language though...), so I think you might as well change the thread title to "Toradora! Novel Discussion".

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-17 17:54
Quote:
Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 1542103)
For the thread:







Mm, I would say it depends on circumstances. Like how interesting the novels are, and the difficulty of translating it.

Too many what? Novels?


From what you said in the anime thread, this will be the thread to discuss the novels (to be honest, not many here read light novels in JP language though...), so I think you might as well change the thread title to "Toradora! Novel Discussion".

yes. novels. i see you helping out for Ookami and then i see you helping out a little somewhere else.

it's like your all over the place

:3

ah as for title change....hmm....you have a point.

i'll do that....if i can.

Matt122005 2008-04-19 01:45
This looks awesome. GO BAKA-TSUKI AND ALL THAT IS LIGHT NOVELS! lol

-Matt :)

serenade_beta 2008-04-19 03:58
Hi, Onizuka~

Here are some novel scans for you~ :)
First time using imageshack... Hope I did everything right.

Cover/etc:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6156/tora000amp8.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6813/tora000bgr8.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/313/tora001mw2.jpg

Color Illustrations:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8231/tora002jl4.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5385/tora003pb9.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4064/tora004lk9.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7379/tora005ia3.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8809/tora006tt2.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8587/tora007xe5.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5029/tora008dz0.jpg

Insert Illustrations:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/245/tora029hb0.png
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/773/tora039bh8.png
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9436/tora067zd2.png
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3739/tora103bo0.png
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8381/tora125he4.png
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7939/tora155rc4.png
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9704/tora179ju6.png
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5385/tora210it2.png
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7804/tora227ik4.png
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/479/tora239qz7.png

Wai~, wai~, watashi, sugoi~


*yawn*
Bed, bed...


Oh, and I might supply more scans in the future, but even if I do, unlike these, they will probably be of (giga)-low quality.
I won't tear my book up, and there's no way I'd let my precious books touch the dirty scanner, so at the most, photos from a digital camera. (<--Never tried this, so I don't even know the quality, but just a guess.)
If you are fine with such low-quality pics, I might take them when I can.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-19 06:40
Thanks Beta-kun! :D

Kinny-kun will be very pleased.

:)

NeoSam 2008-04-19 08:18
I added the first chapter of Toradora! to Manganews release list:
http://www.manganews.net/index.php

http://www.manganews.net/seriesinfo.php?id=7442

Hopefully this will get more readership to this light novel series.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-19 11:47
thanks neosam, i forgot all about manga news, probably because i got an account at manga-updates so i can send in releases on that.

Haven't a clue with manga news.

NeoSam 2008-04-19 15:56
No problem ;)

You can always PM in this forum about any new chapters that got translated (of any light novel series), and I'll add it to manganews release list :)

Vaelis 2008-04-21 05:15
Quote:
Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 1545110)
Oh, and I might supply more scans in the future, but even if I do, unlike these, they will probably be of (giga)-low quality.
I won't tear my book up, and there's no way I'd let my precious books touch the dirty scanner, so at the most, photos from a digital camera. (<--Never tried this, so I don't even know the quality, but just a guess.)
If you are fine with such low-quality pics, I might take them when I can.
It's okay, I've uploaded the pictures for the 6 volumes (in good quality) at Baka-Tsuki :)

Irenicus 2008-04-22 12:03
You guys are awesome. Hurry up and translate the rest! :p

Yes, I've discovered the world of light novels as recently as yesterday. It's strange, maybe it's because of my frequent web-surfing and reading other fiction on the net, but I'm surprisingly comfortable reading them light novels on screen :/

Chapter 2 was hilarious. The girl is worse than Louise, I can't believe she actually tried to kill him. Can't wait to see that animated. :heh:

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-22 15:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irenicus (Post 1552405)
You guys are awesome. Hurry up and translate the rest! :p

Yes, I've discovered the world of light novels as recently as yesterday. It's strange, maybe it's because of my frequent web-surfing and reading other fiction on the net, but I'm surprisingly comfortable reading them light novels on screen :/

Chapter 2 was hilarious. The girl is worse than Louise, I can't believe she actually tried to kill him. Can't wait to see that animated. :heh:
I know how you feel, i've seen people who won't blink an eye to read 150+ pages of a topic yet then turn round to me and say "read a Japanese- translated BOOK on a computer screen?! no way! too boring! i only read magazines and watch japanese anime!" :uhoh::twitch:

how ironic... :rolleyes:

DeotoxSlayer 2008-04-22 21:32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO (Post 1552731)
I know how you feel, i've seen people who won't blink an eye to read 150+ pages of a topic yet then turn round to me and say "read a Japanese- translated BOOK on a computer screen?! no way! too boring! i only read magazines and watch japanese anime!" :uhoh::twitch:

how ironic... :rolleyes:
And I'm one of those people...though I get tempted esily, and end up reading the novels anyway.:heh:

Irenicus 2008-04-22 21:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO (Post 1552731)
I know how you feel, i've seen people who won't blink an eye to read 150+ pages of a topic yet then turn round to me and say "read a Japanese- translated BOOK on a computer screen?! no way! too boring! i only read magazines and watch japanese anime!" :uhoh::twitch:
Hehe. Have you meet some people in real life who say "I don't read" (that alone is pretty disturbing :uhoh:) and when you ask whether they have a Facebook or MySpace account, or if they use the online messenger programs, proudly proclaim that they spend many hours a day on them?

I was often inclined to point out that the amount of text being processed through their brains are a lot more than they think, but oh well. If Western Civilization collapses, I know who to blame. :p

Back to topic: I've been wondering, but in the translated text you guys use a lot of the word "fellow." I personally think that it'd sound more natural in English with similar words like "person" or more gender-specific equivalents like "that girl." Is it okay to edit that part without registering? It bothered me a bit to be honest. :heh:

Matt122005 2008-04-22 21:45
Yea, it is disturbing.

Light novels rock. :)

-Matt :)

Kinny Riddle 2008-04-23 10:22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irenicus (Post 1553285)
Back to topic: I've been wondering, but in the translated text you guys use a lot of the word "fellow." I personally think that it'd sound more natural in English with similar words like "person" or more gender-specific equivalents like "that girl." Is it okay to edit that part without registering? It bothered me a bit to be honest. :heh:
Some paragraphs were not that explicit in the gender of the person being mentioned, sometimes deliberately so. If I used "that girl" it would give away who she was too soon. I guess you can use "person", but "fellow" is my preference.

As for the comparison to Louise, I personally disliked Louise due to her tendency to be over-abusive. I can say with confidence that Taiga is certainly more likable than Louise, personality wise, she's actually closer to Haruhi than Louise.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-23 11:27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinny Riddle (Post 1554332)
Some paragraphs were not that explicit in the gender of the person being mentioned, sometimes deliberately so. If I used "that girl" it would give away who she was too soon. I guess you can use "person", but "fellow" is my preference.

As for the comparison to Louise, I personally disliked Louise due to her tendency to be over-abusive. I can say with confidence that Taiga is certainly more likable than Louise, personality wise, she's actually closer to Haruhi than Louise.
that's good to hear, i'm also tired and sick of this over acceptance of domestic abuse against men, it gives the wrong impression on female viewers/readers. :uhoh:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Irenicus
Back to topic: I've been wondering, but in the translated text you guys use a lot of the word "fellow." I personally think that it'd sound more natural in English with similar words like "person" or more gender-specific equivalents like "that girl." Is it okay to edit that part without registering? It bothered me a bit to be honest.
As an anonymous contributor you are free to correct spelling, grammar and substitute words for a "better" version.

however edits to large section of the context meaning of words and sentences will draw the attention of staff and might result in them being reverted, as we are generally more suspicious of those who don't want to be credited for all that effort. obviously :rolleyes:

The best advice is to discuss these changes in detail on the Toradora! topic on the Baka-Tsuki forum so that you have your base covered if the translator has anything to say about it.

oh...and register :)

serenade_beta 2008-04-27 21:45
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt122005 (Post 1553313)
Light novels rock. :)
Light novels+ability to read Japanese=rocks even more :D
Though it is kind of lonely because not many people "here" actually can read Japanese, so there are lots of novel threads with low number of posts... *sniff*


Finished reading volume 1...

Spoiler for thoughts so far...:


Well, that's it for volume 1. I'll have to obtain the other volumes first before I can read them, so no more Toradora for me for at least another month.
Have to see if I can pull some strings and get the remaining novels without waiting 1/3 of a year...

Matt122005 2008-04-28 21:03
Quote:
Light novels+ability to read Japanese=rocks even more
はい！にほんごがとてもすごいです！

Aggreed?

I am so glad I am learning Japanese. :)

Learning such words as Kuruma and their kanji 車　which if I add one more becomes 車庫。

I LOVE JAPANESE! lol

I should make a thread for it. :)

-Matt :)

Supah Em 2008-05-12 06:27
hmm? that part at the end of your synopsis kinda caught my attention(kitamura/taiga).... that's some premise for some intense drama... and i hope it delivers

Onizuka-GTO 2008-05-13 18:08
yeah. have to admit, ryuji comes across as a bit too afraid of Taiga like during the
Spoiler:


I was kinda expecting a more.....Kyon type of character..... perhaps he is, and that the english script needs to be tweaked to reflected that....not so sure. need more clarity on him.

:/

Supah Em 2008-05-13 20:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO (Post 1591854)
I was kinda expecting a more.....Kyon type of character..... perhaps he is, and that the english script needs to be tweaked to reflected that....not so sure. need more clarity on him.

:/
people like kyon and the male leads from clannad and kanon rarely comes up nowadays[ its mostly weak boys getting surrounded by girls this time around ].

but it seems ryuji isnt the type to be weak, but i find it rather strange that he is showing an image to the audience as someone who nonchalantly accepts domestic abuse.:heh:

serenade_beta 2008-05-13 21:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO (Post 1591854)
I was kinda expecting a more.....Kyon type of character..... perhaps he is, and that the english script needs to be tweaked to reflected that....not so sure. need more clarity on him.

:/
Don't expect. He's no Kyon or even close. Just a hard working guy who acts like a maiden-in-love around his crush.

Quote:
Originally Posted by supahem (Post 1592132)
[ its mostly weak boys getting surrounded by girls this time around ].

but it seems ryuji isnt the type to be weak, but i find it rather strange that he is showing an image to the audience as someone who nonchalantly accepts domestic abuse.:heh:
That's because you are thinking about Harem protagonists. Those protagonists are almost always the "wimpy" type that shows bravery at the last minute.

Toradora isn't a harem, so Ryuji not being weak isn't an abnormal thing. There are a good number of romance-comedy (not harem) series that have strong protagonists.


I have no idea how much you guys have read, so I have no idea what would be a spoiler to you guys. Oh well...

Supah Em 2008-05-14 02:45
i've only read volume 1.

heck it took me about a month to finish that volume

my japanese = fail

Kinny Riddle 2008-05-14 13:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO (Post 1591854)
yeah. have to admit, ryuji comes across as a bit too afraid of Taiga like during the
Spoiler:


I was kinda expecting a more.....Kyon type of character..... perhaps he is, and that the english script needs to be tweaked to reflected that....not so sure. need more clarity on him.

:/
What're you talking about? Why don't you volunteer to help edit since you're so free? :cool:

Ryuji is miles behind Kyon, I'll give you that. While he tries not to cross Taiga, he doesn't do it completely out of fear, more like out of an urge to keep things calm. And he certainly doesn't put up with all the bullshit she may occasionally pull, this is where his "Kyon-like" monologues come in.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-05-16 16:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinny Riddle (Post 1593496)
What're you talking about? Why don't you volunteer to help edit since you're so free? :cool:

Ryuji is miles behind Kyon, I'll give you that. While he tries not to cross Taiga, he doesn't do it completely out of fear, more like out of an urge to keep things calm. And he certainly doesn't put up with all the bullshit she may occasionally pull, this is where his "Kyon-like" monologues come in.
*deskpalm*

yeah.

i know.

i'll get on it....soonish.....:uhoh:

but thanks for the clarification on Ryuji. i wasn't expecting a total Kyon, but at leased more funny inner-monologues :heh:

juventas 2008-05-30 09:57
I'm a total sucker for these cliched "boy and girl who don't notice each other until the moment of truth when they realize they actually like each other" type stories. Keep up the good work, people! I'm looking forward to the rest of volume 1.

Ryougi Shiki 2008-06-01 05:50
I'm immensely enjoying the manga version.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-06-01 10:32
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Originally Posted by Ryougi Shiki (Post 1626792)
I'm immensely enjoying the manga version.
b....but do you enjoy the novel version?

:upset:

TOP 2008-06-02 01:36
Read volume 1 today, this is pretty good. :)

Anh_Minh 2008-06-06 07:10
They make an interesting pair. For some reason, Taiga reminds me of Haruhi even more than of Louise.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-06-06 08:04
yeah, chapter 5 is exciting.

Taiga and Ryuji makes a great pair.

:)

Irenicus 2008-06-06 16:52
The way she broke down was kinda pitiful. :(

Still, revelation: there's this nice guy (no, he's not a dog, Louise) next to her all the time after all!

theman4life 2008-06-09 02:48
Chapter 5 was wonderful. Taiga and Ryuji really are meant for each other. Really looking forward to the next chapter. Hopefully it wont be a complete reset where they are back to being a pain to each other.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-06-09 12:41
Quote:
Originally Posted by theman4life (Post 1643310)
Chapter 5 was wonderful. Taiga and Ryuji really are meant for each other. Really looking forward to the next chapter. Hopefully it wont be a complete reset where they are back to being a pain to each other.
i agree. i hate it when they reset.

i mean the real drama is what happens AFTER they get together!

:rolleyes:

Irenicus 2008-06-09 18:32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO (Post 1644054)
i mean the real drama is what happens AFTER they get together!
Most manga and light novel authors can't seem to handle that very well though. :(

I know it's a bit boring that once the couple gets together = the end. But if you read those shoujo where they continue after that...

It's usually like, "new guy/gal, romantic tensions," "stupid misunderstanding, more tensions," "the nice person since before the get-together suffers from the idiot ball and becomes a jerk, even more tensions," or even "SHE'S GOT AMNESIA (+ CAR ACCIDENT), EVEN MORE GODDAMN TENSIONS!" and I get sick of it really, really fast.

juventas 2008-06-19 23:31
I so bet there is a reset at the end. There's 7 novels, aren't there?

serenade_beta 2008-06-20 02:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by juventas (Post 1665156)
There's 7 novels, aren't there?
AND on-going... ( -_-)


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