Man of Steel 2 - Upcoming Superman & Batman film (2015)
One is an invincible superhero. The other is... also an invincible superhero. Together, they fight crime?
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I think they'll be on opposing sides until something happens and be forced to take on the real threat together.
It's gonna be glorious! One thing I do know is Batman's fight scenes will be so much better than they were in the TDK trilogy. |
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This reminds me of the film Tango & Cash. Anyone who watched it would understand that's the angle I am after. |
The World's Finest I think starts off like that. Though it expects the audiance to know who Batman and Superman are.
Give a typical human villian enough Kryptonite to be able to ward off Superman, and have them be clever enough to require the skills of the Batman to locate them and/or figure out what they are planning (since Superman can't just go in and deal with it). But also make it so that the villian either has superior technology or a superhuman/alien avalible so that Batman can't deal with it alone. Or at least not alone and in time to save everybody. That's Superman's job. Superman saves the day while Batman catches the criminal. |
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Sadly, this all makes "Man 'o Steel" seem like a weak franchise that Batman has to show up just to reassure the audience... |
Tbh, I'd rather see Hercules & Amadeus Cho duo on film than Supes and Bats together.
The latter two are so distinctly complete on their own to compliment each other like the former duo. |
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"We found where the badguy is!" "Good, you fly there, and I will take my car." They are like different departments of a police force. On the same team, but rarely have a reason to be on the job together. |
Honestly? The idea of a Batman/Superman teamup doesn't excite me that much. Because I just know they're going to just randomly ramp up Batman's skills/equipment set just to avoid him getting squashed like a bug by some Kryptonian level super villain.
Dynamic tag cannot be rendered. (PrintableThread) Dynamic tag cannot be rendered. (PrintableThread) I mean, how exactly can you look at this fight here, and then go on to assume that Batman is any kind of meaningful threat to Superman level villains who can do stuff like this? Batman's martial arts skills failed him against a human level fighter who just happened to be really skill and really tough. How the hell is he going to use them to defend himself against someone who can punch him at 300 miles per hour? And I know what the answer will be. "Batman will take out his Kryptonian repellent spray from his utility belt." Which I find equally inadequate. If Batman has such convenient tech like that lying around, why doesn't he bring say, Bane repellent spray when he went to fight Bane? More likely what they'll do is even the odds by making the Kryptonians really stupid. Hell. That's what they had to do in Man of Steel. Was there any particular reason Faora had to fly INSIDE the plane and punch all the soldiers to death? Couldn't she have just flown into the aircraft's cockpit at mach 8 and just called it a day? Expect any superman level villains doing this ALLOT with Batman. Cause just punching Batman hard enough to make his body explode, or insta zapping him with a laser as strong as a 2000 pound bomb would be too crafty. |
Now you are just pulling out the Power Level argument.
Batman doesn't fight battles he can't win. See, the joke might be that he plans too much, but the fact is he isn't going to go wrestle a Kryptonian. In fact Batman is never about being stronger than someone else. Batman is a MAGICIAN. He pulls tricks using his money and try his best not to let anyone know how he does it. Superman might charge right into villains, but Batman wouldn't do anything unless he finds a way to make a difference. The second you see Batman in costume out in the open, you know he already figured out what to do; otherwise why would he even leave his cave? Superman can save everyone. Batman knows he can't save everyone, so he saves what he can and no more. Batman can't do Superman's job, but conversely it is also impossible for Superman to do Batman's job. As I say, they are different departments entirely. |
Bats have the magic pouch with solutions to everything.
... this is why I don't like him in Justice League. HEY! Batman just somehow invented this net made out of ropes to rope the entire Earth! How? Who knows, he just did! Problem solved! uh huh |
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Hence my preference that they make Batman the JL member who never hang around much and does his own things. The old JL cartoons are the major source of my impression of the Justice League. And I just don't see the Adam West style Batman working in the modern day film setting. |
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That could be cool. But I have a sneaking worry that they'll want Batman to go toe to toe with some bad guy, and give him a can of anti-super being bat spray, just so he can go and punch the bad guy. |
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Is Superman really that good at being a Superhero? I mean, at the moment in the new film canon, he has all the powers of a Superhero, but he is far from organised like Batman is. Superman is smart, but at this point he is still a rookie in the Hero buisness. I still prefer my idea of the two of them working independently and cross paths by accident through the film. Neither would trust the other at this point; why would they? |
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...actually I think the biggest issue (this is a good movie, so not too big of an issue) was that Haweye and Natasha kinda outshowed Captain America in terms of fighting ability. What with Natasha highjacking sky chariots, and Hawkeye shooting down dozens of em with a fuckin' bow and arrow. Quote:
I mean, nothing Superman did in Man of Steel really compares to the hostage rescue sequence in the Dark Knight. Quote:
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My suspicion is that Batman is not going to be happy over losing that satellite in Man of Steel. Luthor will probably smooth-talk Bruce into believing that Superman is a threat to humanity that needs to be taken out. Batman will likely cause Superman all sorts of grief, and Batman will largely get away with it since Superman isn't going to do something that could conceivably kill Batman (whatever one thinks of how Superman vs. Zod played out, it makes it very clear that even this Superman wants to avoid killing his enemies if at all possible). Eventually Batman will realize he's been duped by Luthor, and that's when Batman and Superman team-up to face Lex (who'll probably be bolstered by the support of a powerful ally - Maybe Brainiac or a major Bat-rogue; maybe someone like Clayface). |
The World's Finest was Lex Luthor and the Joker. Both normal humans (mostly). Both very clever individuals that have gadgets or money. That story has Joker steal several pounds of Kryptonite to sell to Luthor, but there is always a catch...from both parties of the deal. Luthor wants power and the satifaction of defeating the Man of Steel. Joker wants to see the world burn for a laugh. Superman can't take on Joker and Luthor when they have Kryptonite, and even Batman has trouble dealing with the ultra rich and ultra clever Lex Luthor's brand of weapons. So they work together for a common goal. And even then the only way they can really win is if the villians backstab each other's plans.
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