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Kairin 2012-07-06 01:02

Accel World - Anime Speculation & Theories (for first time viewers)
 
This thread is aimed at first time viewers of Accel World and its purpose is to allow spoiler free speculation and theories to be aired. Having them in a central location may help focus the discussion instead of spreading speculation over the various episode discussion threads. If you are knowledgeable of the light novels and wish to speculate or discuss theories, then please do not post in this thread (use the Spoilers & Speculation thread) and do not give away any spoilers in this thread!

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mechalord 2012-07-29 10:23

What's with all the hinting that Silver Crow was Red Rider?

Red Rider in episode 11's flashback spoke in a similar manner to Haru and the avatar looks familiar.

Orange Duke 2012-07-30 04:14

It can't be possible. Brain Burst, once uninstalled can never be reinstalled again, even if you change your Neurolinker because the program recognizes your brainwaves.

Perhaps you're looking too hard for things that aren't really there. :heh:

mechalord 2012-07-30 11:38

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Originally Posted by Orange Duke (Post 4281107)
It can't be possible. Brain Burst, once uninstalled can never be reinstalled again, even if you change your Neurolinker because the program recognizes your brainwaves.

Perhaps you're looking too hard for things that aren't really there. :heh:

It's science fiction.

Think of it as Ghost in the Shell but less intense, less violent, less adult oriented and with prettier scenery, younger cast, less techy.

- Kids are actually cyborgs, transhuman designer babies that communicate like telepaths and can jack up their brains performance due to their cybernetics.
- The minds of the kids age, while their bodies remain young. Going all Inception... time goes faster when in the Matrix... living in the brain-cyberworld universe.
- They'll actually come close to murdering each other for the benefits of unlocking their brain's true potential... super reaction time, super speed, enhanced intelligence, etc.
- Mind hacks, memory wipes, digital illusions...part of the story. Haru has gotten mind hacked a few times and made to see things that aren't there.




The view is told that once uninstalled the Brain Burst program can't be installed but that's nothing important. It doesn't mean it can't happen if the writers says it can't. We are told it can't happen, not told why. It's probably a plot element designed to maintain a sense of doubt in the reader/viewer that what is being hinted it at can't happen even though the writer totally intends for it to happen.

Orange Duke 2012-07-31 05:22

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Originally Posted by mechalord (Post 4281576)
It's science fiction.

Think of it as Ghost in the Shell but less intense, less violent, less adult oriented and with prettier scenery, younger cast, less techy.

- Kids are actually cyborgs, transhuman designer babies that communicate like telepaths and can jack up their brains performance due to their cybernetics.
- The minds of the kids age, while their bodies remain young. Going all Inception... time goes faster when in the Matrix... living in the brain-cyberworld universe.
- They'll actually come close to murdering each other for the benefits of unlocking their brain's true potential... super reaction time, super speed, enhanced intelligence, etc.
- Mind hacks, memory wipes, digital illusions...part of the story. Haru has gotten mind hacked a few times and made to see things that aren't there.




The view is told that once uninstalled the Brain Burst program can't be installed but that's nothing important. It doesn't mean it can't happen if the writers says it can't. We are told it can't happen, not told why. It's probably a plot element designed to maintain a sense of doubt in the reader/viewer that what is being hinted it at can't happen even though the writer totally intends for it to happen.

That would never happen. Introducing the possibility of regaining Brain Burst would quite simply get rid of any consequence of losing all your Burst Points. This is suicide for the series since there is no longer any point in trying to not lose all your burst points.

As to why Brain Burst can't be installed once uninstalled,

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Originally Posted by Orange Duke (Post 4281107)
Brain Burst, once uninstalled can never be reinstalled again, even if you change your Neurolinker because the program recognizes your brainwaves.

An alternate interpretation to your question would be why the author introduced that fact. It is so that there is justification behind all the fighting. Would you fight as hard for something you know you can regain after you lose it?

mechalord 2012-08-18 17:30

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Originally Posted by Orange Duke (Post 4282797)
That would never happen. Introducing the possibility of regaining Brain Burst would quite simply get rid of any consequence of losing all your Burst Points. This is suicide for the series since there is no longer any point in trying to not lose all your burst points.

As to why Brain Burst can't be installed once uninstalled,



An alternate interpretation to your question would be why the author introduced that fact. It is so that there is justification behind all the fighting. Would you fight as hard for something you know you can regain after you lose it?

Episode 19...with the teasing again.

Spoiler for Episode 19:


Oh look... it is possible.

Orange Duke 2012-08-18 22:59

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Originally Posted by mechalord (Post 4310941)
Spoiler for Episode 19:

There. You rebutted your own point.

MeisterBabylon 2012-08-19 00:00

Your memory is there, just that you cannot gain access to it.

In effect, your memories become a digital version of you that persists in the Accelerated World, long after you are gone. The soul of your digital avatar. The Ghost in the Shell.

You do not own that ghost because you and it no longer share the same consciousness, so no, it does not count as regaining your Burst. Its closer to your avatar coming back to find you, which would be the scientific explanation for the shaman leading the ghost back to Megumi via the Incarnate system.

mechalord 2012-09-18 10:11

Last episode coming up. Haru is the former Red King.

Any news of a second season/series?

Orange Duke 2012-09-18 10:24

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Originally Posted by mechalord (Post 4358140)
Haru is the former Red King.

Suuuure he is. :D

Lycodrake 2012-09-18 11:13

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Originally Posted by mechalord (Post 4358140)
Last episode coming up. Haru is the former Red King.

Nah, he's the former Orange King that we never hear about because no one wants to acknowledge "Orange Boar".
Because with robots around, who wants to remember that they were terrified of a Ganon-Emboar expy? =P

Spoiler:

mechalord 2012-09-22 08:12

Even more hinting in the final episode. "Even if things change, they start over." Something like that.

lol lol lol

Orange Duke 2012-09-22 08:22

That's a pretty darn ambiguous "hint", if it is one at all.

n120cky 2012-09-23 07:55

Just want to speculate on Kuroyukihime name based on current clues:

1. Her name similar with her nickname Kuroyuki Hime
2. Sky raker call Her Sa-chan (with assumption not nickname and she call Kuroyuki Hime by first name)

Her name would be

Sa???? ??????

Inserting Her nickname Kuroyuki Hime

Sakuro Yuki Hime

well I think Sakuro is not to common name in Japan ecxept for : Zakuro or Sakura. Yuki for family name is bit uncommon, so I would change it to Yuuki.

so Her name would be Sakura Yuuki. :uhoh:

Lame isn't it :eyespin:. But that's what i got in my mind . . . .:heh:

ronelm2000 2012-09-23 11:57

I was thinking either Sayuki or Sachi...

but we need to think kanji....

Snow (雪) can be read as setsu (セツ) or yuki (ゆき). However, neither starts in sa...

sachi (幸) means Happiness. But is it close to Snow White?

White (白) can be read as haku (ハク) or shiro (ハク). However, there is one irregular meaning that uses white also, which is Sayu [白湯(さゆ)] which means plain hot water.

It could be Sayu....

n120cky 2012-09-23 21:17

that's good analysis, but I think we must add Kuro(mean black) to the name, naybe there is another Kanji interpretation for Kuro.:eyebrow:

relentlessflame 2012-09-26 13:57

I am thinking her first name is probably Sayuki (紗雪), and the "Kuro" probably comes from her last name (if they want to be really blatant it could be "Kurohime" I guess (黒姫), but that's probably not that common a name).

I don't think her name will be Sachi, because I don't think "Sachi" is a regular Japanese name to give a child.

Awrya 2012-09-27 06:52

The whole Sachi idea probably comes from SAO, where Sachi is the name of the game avatar, not the real name.
As relentlessflame said, Sachi isn't a name you'd usually give to a child, though it may be a nickname?

ronelm2000 2012-10-03 05:20

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Originally Posted by Awrya (Post 4370721)
The whole Sachi idea probably comes from SAO, where Sachi is the name of the game avatar, not the real name.
As relentlessflame said, Sachi isn't a name you'd usually give to a child, though it may be a nickname?

Someone thought that Kirito wants to name her child Sachi. :heh:

Anyway, unfortunately, kuro (or black only brings me this):


[Other Meanings]
guilty
dark
dirty
evil
wicked

[Reading]
koku (コク)
kuro (くろ)
kuroi (くろ・い)



[Reading]
rei (レイ)
ri (リ)
kuroi (くろ・い)



[Reading]
tai (タイ)
mayuzumi (まゆずみ)

So black is out of the question, ... and why would someone pick a kanji that means "Evil" as a meaning? :uhoh:

Sunder the Gold 2012-12-23 22:35

It's my theory that the color Blue denotes duel avatars with the highest potential physical performance, in terms of speed, strength and toughness.

Blue defends itself against Red by rushing into range as fast as possible (chasing after a fleeing Red), while dodging or parrying shots and soaking up the ones that hit, and then having enough HP left to survive the fight once they can actually begin hitting the other guy.

Red defends itself against Blue by starting at a distance, fleeing to maintain that distance ("kiting"), and shooting the Blue dead before he closes range. Reds may be nearly as fast on foot as Blues, but they have less physical potential to spend, and so suffer in terms of strength and toughness. Other Reds focus on strength instead of agility, in the interest of holding bigger guns. Reds have the best distance vision and accuracy with ranged attacks.

Yellow defends himself by preventing Red or Blue from landing a hit, or avoiding his own. He's just as physically inferior to Blue as Red, but doesn't have distance vision or sharp shooting. He doesn't favor any range.

Purple defends himself by engaging short-range foes at long-range and long-range foes at short range, and mixing things up when necessary to catch an opponent off-guard. Being half Blue, they're not as physically powerful as pure Blue, but they're potentially stronger, faster and tougher than other colors save Green.

Green is also half-Blue, and therefore stronger, faster, or tougher than avatars of other colors. The strength they sacrifice compared to Blues is instead invested in tricks. He doesn't have as many kinds of tricks as a Yellow would, and they tend to only work in short-range conditions, but they can help him win close-combat in ways that Blues can't.

Orange is like Yellow, but sacrifices half of the tricks in return for better proficiency with ranged attacks; longer range, bigger guns, better accuracy. Not as good as Reds, but they have sneaky tricks that Reds don't have.


Black is outside of the Chromatic Color Wheel, and therefore has NONE of these strengths. Not strong, fast, tough, tricky, or talented with long-range attacks.

After Scarlet Rain, Yellow Radio should be the WORST King at close-range combat, and yet he was able to fight Black Lotus as an equal in hand-to-hand. Which means that Black Lotus is far away from the fastest or strongest of the Kings. Likely, the Blue King would trounce them both if they crossed blades with him.

If Black Lotus has an advantage, it seems to be the power to cut anything regardless of her strength versus the target's toughness. The Blue Knight may technically be a better, more powerful swordsman, but it's possible that he simply cannot afford to let Black Lotus hit him.

Black Vise's strangeness is more apparent. If you can avoid his traps and drag him out of the shadows, I wonder how helpless he becomes?

Aqua Current likewise has a strange body. She seemed invincible in the one demonstrated fight, but she had picked opponents whose attacks had no affect on her body. It's very likely that there are attacks her body cannot withstand. We also never saw her attack anyone; it's possible that her strength/damaging potential is horrible.

Sunder the Gold 2012-12-29 21:45

Would you say that Invisibility is an advantage on par with Silver Crow's flight, and therefore concievably a basic power that a Level 1 character could have?


I wonder if the reason Yellow Radio doesn't seem to have such a power stems from a subconscious desire to be seen and admired or feared. Invisibility would surely be a great Yellow power, but not all Yellows are so humble.

Sunder the Gold 2013-01-02 19:06

I bet that the Aqua Current avatar was born from Kurrent's desire to be ambiguous.

In the manga (and I think the light novels), Kurrent's gender is left unknown, and her avatar is androgynous rather than feminine.

What if Kurrent wanted to be "pure" and uncomplicated? Genderless. To be taken for who she is rather than what? Further, to keep a level head and exclude undesirable elements, like inconvenient emotions and sentiments.

So her avatar is not merely genderless, but also made of pure, nearly-formless water. A body that is physical but nearly shapeless.

Her own Incarnate Technique, Memory Leak, may be born from a strong desire to erase the memory of anyone who learns her true gender, resetting their relationship to a point she's more comfortable with. (Though fortunately for her, Memory Leak is useful for much more than that. Such as also hiding her identity entirely from someone she's just met.)

Sunder the Gold 2013-02-14 21:57

You know, it occurs to me that we've never seen Ash Roller's special move.

There's the Vertical Climb he got at Level 2, and then the missiles he got by the next time he appears on-screen, but he should have had a special move even at Level 1.

Obviously, it has to be dependent on his bike, because in the Light Novels the fight wasn't decided with a single Headbutt after his bike was caught. He actually got off and tried to duke it out with Silver Crow.

Taking that kind of damage, especially after inflicting so much, his Special Meter would have been full enough to use any kind of special move, unless it depended on his bike.


So, what is it? Some kind of super-ramming charge, perhaps? Perhaps with an energy-shield to protect him while he rushes in?

Tusjecht 2013-02-15 16:43

You say special move, I imagine AR doing a wheelie and splattering his opponent to grand effect :heh:

...unless, that actually IS the case. What else can a bike do, stunts?

Sunder the Gold 2013-02-16 09:51

We also don't know what Sky Raker's Special Move is. It would not be the Gale Thruster.

I think she said her greatest weapons were her legs.

HasuMasu 2013-02-17 02:14

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Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold (Post 4493858)
Would you say that Invisibility is an advantage on par with Silver Crow's flight, and therefore concievably a basic power that a Level 1 character could have?


I wonder if the reason Yellow Radio doesn't seem to have such a power stems from a subconscious desire to be seen and admired or feared. Invisibility would surely be a great Yellow power, but not all Yellows are so humble.

I'd say no, remember the compass that allows them to know your general direction at all times.

Now, it would still be difficult to aim and nigh impossible to judge distance but you're not going to sneak up on them or anything.

Especially since Yellow Radio's only weapon is apparently(?) short-range.


Also, I've seen light novel content mentioned here.

Please use clearly marked spoiler tags, this is an [Anime] thread.

Sunder the Gold 2013-02-17 08:34

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Originally Posted by Hasumi (Post 4557299)
I'd say no, remember the compass that allows them to know your general direction at all times.

The difficulty of judging distance still makes Invisibility a great power. Of course, the closer the Yellow gets, the more care he needs to take in not giving himself away through disturbing the environment. But an avatar made to be invisible would be designed to move gracefully and silently.

As long as they don't see you coming, it doesn't matter if the cursor is pointing right at you, they have no way of knowing whether you're in spitting distance.

Even on a flat, open field, with no walls or cover to hide behind, you could be standing far away, outside of their range for all they know.

They would have to know you have Invisibility to respond properly, and they would also have to assume you are aware of their own best ranges. If they are Blue, they have to assume you're keeping your distance, and if they are Red they have to assume you mean to ambush them.


Invisibility becomes worse in the UNF. In a duel, you KNOW an opponent has to be there, and there's at least the cursor. In the UNF, you have no way of knowing whether an opponent is there until you get lucky or unlucky, and there's no cursor to help you find them.


Quote:

Especially since Yellow Radio's only weapon is apparently(?) short-range.
His baton is short-range, though I don't doubt he can throw it -- it might even be able to return to him. It's possibly also a Rare Drop, just as all of the old Kings have for weapons.

The rest of Radio's abilities absolutely cannot be short-range, because his Pure Yellow color does not favor one range over the other.

Sunder the Gold 2013-03-17 21:09

In regards to Green avatars, I once tried to think of an example which didn't rely on being tough, but rather approached "defense" from the direction of agility.

For example, a Green dancer that would be fast enough to avoid all blows, but who could not deliver a significant punch, and instead had to rely on poisoned attacks and repeated strikes to wear her opponents down.

However, now I think that really doesn't work.

Brain Burst is a game that generally follows physics to an exacting degree. It makes noticeable breaks, such as reducing the likelihood of dismemberment (such that even Black Lotus needs the explicit power to chop off parts), but aside from those, it's pretty faithful.

So, rather than Strength and Agility being entirely seperate traits, there's the underlying trait of Muscle Mass.

Any avatar agile enough to rely on dodging for defense would necessarily have the muscle power to deliver powerful hits. Even if that muscle mass is primarily concentrated in the thighs (as with Blood Leopard's default humanoid form), the legs would be capable of strong kicking attacks.

Even reducing one's size and using the thinnest possible armor to increase the agility afforded by one's muscle mass wouldn't drastically reduce one's striking power.

In order for the avatar to be so weak that poison is more effective than punching, even as a speed-type, the avatar would be lacking in pure agility. She would need additional abilities to aid her defense, either in the form of distractions or decoys or mobility tricks.

In the end, she would be a greenish Yellow avatar; Yellow with a great focus on close-range combat.


Further, all Green avatars seen thus far have been focused around hard defense or negating damage.

Green Grandeur is nearly impossible to injure. Lime Bell is exceptionally tough. Olive Drab from the second OVA is a fucking TANK. Ash Roller himself is not particularly tough, but his bike is, and his bike generally shields him from most contact with his enemies.

Olive Glove has something called Oil Membrane Armor. This might be a softer defense than most, but it still sounds like something that takes punishment head-on and negates damage.


So, yeah. Green = Armor.

Tusjecht 2013-03-17 22:08

Remove Olive Glove. He shows up only in the LNs as far as the anime only is concerned.

Sunder the Gold 2013-03-27 20:29

Hmm.

If a Green avatar had a hovering/levitating function like Black Lotus, which allowed for agility and movement speed without requiring muscle strength, it's possible that the Green poison-stabbing dancer could work.

Would probably still have reasonably tough armor for her size and weight, though. Unless she had a sensory ability to help avoid attacks, but that would lean her closer to Yellow.

Sunder the Gold 2013-04-02 06:33

I want to offer a theory regarding the amazing speed and strength displayed by the Black and Yellow Kings, as well as how someone as experienced as Black Vise could miscalculate Silver Crow's ability to escape his vise.

The Incarnate System is just an extension of the same image/movement control system that all Burst Linkers use to control their avatars. Haruyuki can't actually execute an aerial flipping axe-kick, but he can imagine it. He doesn't have wings or experience with using them, but he can imagine it.

Zero File happens when you can't imagine fighting anymore. Your fighting spirit drops to nothing, and your avatar becomes an empty puppet regardless of any mighty muscles.

But what if it works in the opposite direction as well, so that rising fighting spirit makes you stronger and faster?

What if your avatar's strength isn't an upper limit, but merely a modifier? A modifier applied to the fundamental strength of your fighting spirit and imagining power (what KYH called Haru's "speed").

Which could in turn mean that the more skilled you become with the Incarnate System, the better you can use your avatar in the basic ways, resulting in the superhuman clash between Yellow Radio and Black Lotus.

HasuMasu 2013-04-02 06:54

^ I figured that was the general assumption since the reveal of the IS.

Sunder the Gold 2013-04-05 22:40

Well, glad I'm not alone.

I assumed other people thought about the possibility that KYH was mentally 700 years old (or at least 50), but someone else tells me that fewer did than I realize.

HasuMasu 2013-04-06 01:35

Well, Brain Burst is 7000 years old, Black Lotus has been around for about 6000 years.

Knowing that, 700 years of accumulated play-time actually seems too little.

Sunder the Gold 2013-04-27 08:17

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Originally Posted by Hasumi (Post 4622792)
Well, Brain Burst is 7000 years old, Black Lotus has been around for about 6000 years.

Knowing that, 700 years of accumulated play-time actually seems too little.

Black Lotus came into play two years after the game had already started, and it generally seems to take at least four months or a whole year to reach Level 4. She's also spent the last two years in exile.

That would mean a possible maximum of 3000 years, but only if she spent every moment of her life in the Unlimited Neutral Field. She still had to spent Unaccelerated hours in school, or going to and from school, and eating...

Though it's possible that Black Lotus entered the Unlimited Neutral Field even during her exile. This would have allowed her to continue gathering combat experience and practicing her Incarnate Skills, as well as gathering Burst Points.

This would actually be safe enough to do regularly. Among other things, as a Level 9 King, Black Lotus can solo even legendary-level Enemies.

But also, the odds of accidentally running into other Burst Linkers there are long, especially if one Accelerates within a battle zone or private network with few or no Burst Linkers.

Sure, other Burst Linkers who enter from one zone or network can travel into the part of the Unlimited Neutral Field where she is, but Linkers tend to avoid that because of the possibility of running into Enemies or other Linkers they don't want to fight. Plus, even if Black Lotus is discovered, they have to consider the possibility that she traveled to that spot from another entry point, so they can't be immediately sure of what battle zone she's hiding in.

Besides, it's not THAT hard to deduce where Black Lotus would be hiding. It's fairly obvious that she would go to ground in a neutral battle area unclaimed by any legion and which has few Burst Linkers. Any of the five surviving Kings could have figured that much out.

The Purple King likely tore up all such areas within her reach years ago to try finding Lotus, but the other Kings don't seem as motivated.

Even if someone found the right battle zone, all Lotus needs to do is leave her Neuro-Linker disconnected from the global network and challenging her is impossible. Finding her in the Unlimited Neutral Field is riduculously difficult as well.

HasuMasu 2013-04-27 08:25

Eh? I thought she got it one year after.

Sunder the Gold 2013-04-27 11:10

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Originally Posted by Hasumi (Post 4655713)
Eh? I thought she got it one year after.

Yes. Sorry, confused that with something else.

daveena123 2013-08-17 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Duke (Post 4281107)
It can't be possible. Brain Burst, once uninstalled can never be reinstalled again, even if you change your Neurolinker because the program recognizes your brainwaves.

Perhaps you're looking too hard for things that aren't really there. :heh:

Well :confused: it can be because it was uninstalled maybe Haru got the Brain Burst got from the Brain Burst maker and he got a new greatest Fear once it uninstalled you forgot about the game so i can maybe installed again :D

MeisterBabylon 2013-08-18 22:07

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Originally Posted by daveena123 (Post 4796403)
Well :confused: it can be because it was uninstalled maybe Haru got the Brain Burst got from the Brain Burst maker and he got a new greatest Fear once it uninstalled you forgot about the game so i can maybe installed again :D

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